82: High Value Target

00:22 Mofax with Adam Curry for June 6, 2022, episode number 82. Class is in session once again, everybody. Hey, is it Saturday yet? Oh, wait. I'm Adam Curry coming to you from the heart of the Texas Hill Country. Time once again to spin the wheel of topics from here to Northern Virginia. Please say hello to my friend on the other end, Mr. Mofax. How you doing, Adam? I'm doing good, Mo. Sorry about Saturday. Hey, man, you got flat tires. You got to do what you got to do. It was literally one of the worst timed moments of the day because I got travel. Yeah, I live in the Styx now. Now, all of a sudden, the car is like important. Whereas it used to be, just grab an Uber.

01:05 Now you're feeling my pain. There is no Uber. There is no Uber. There is no high-speed internet. So welcome to the Styx. Yeah, we do have cable modems. So we're a little bit ahead of you there. And we do have Zachary, Zachary's pick-im-up service. But I don't know what he charges to go into Austin. Hey, man. Good to talk to you, though. I am ready for another episode. A lot of people are. We've just been jonesing for what is coming next. The last show, Cuincidence. Holy crap. I mean, that stuff just blew everybody's mind. That was so good. That rabbit hole. I mean, I'm trying to tell you, it's so many twists and turns. I could have gone there.

01:47 I still got the lost tapes to give to the people for a couple episodes, but we're going to get that done. Just for a quick update, been working on the business. Just getting the baseline income set up so we can make this long haul with the podcast. And everything's going good, though. Excellent. From my side, we've got the live podcast stuff actually working now. And I would say if you're up for it, also maybe by the next time we record in two weeks, we could also, we could do it live audio. I'm not quite ready for video yet, but we could do it live audio if you like it when we record.

02:26 We had to see about that. No, because you nigga, this is an instant lighted conversation. So I think that's. Either way, we're getting ready for some live stuff. Even if it's lost tapes, that's fine for me too, brother. That's fine for me too. I think that'll be the next thing we do. I'm champing at the bit to get on the live stream. And we're doing the same for today's topic. So why don't I spin this puppy up? This is the wheel of topics. We spin it every 14 days. Round around it goes. Where it stops, nobody knows. Mo knows, of course. The topic for MoFax with Adam Curry, episode number 82, is you can't make this shit up, people. You can't make it up.

03:13 Yeah, as I mentioned on the last show, as I mentioned on the last show, we lost the fellow Breggen on the YouTube side. Yes. Mr. Kevin Samuels. So I thought it appropriate. We give him a homegoing service. And I know a lot of people are like, no, don't do it. But as we do here, we humanize everybody. Now, hold on. Hold on a sec. Why are there people saying, oh, no, don't do it? Is there something incredibly wrong about giving this man the honor he deserves? In the vein of Kanye, 45 Savage, he's such a polarizing figure that he triggers people with his approach, or he did.

04:02 And what I hope to do is just highlight what he was, I think he was trying to bring to people's attention in a very boombastic way. Okay. But as we've seen, he was very disrespected when he passed. And I want just to bring that to light. It's going to be some political stuff. I mean, it's a rabbit hole. So people who have no idea who Kevin Samuels is, maybe you should just, or is that apparent maybe in your setup here, just so people understand? I think we can get in the two and I can answer any other questions on the back side of that. For High Plus News, I'm John Aba.

04:43 Unfortunate news coming out of Atlanta. Social media star and relationship guru Kevin Samuels has reportedly passed away. On Thursday morning, it was reported that Samuels was found unresponsive in his apartment, which will spark rumors of his passing. No official word has come from Samuels or his team addressing the rumors. But upon research, it appears that he at times controversial online star has passed away. Revolt Black News has confirmed from reliable sources. One user would go on to write in Samuel's comments following his most recent post on Instagram. Didn't this man just pass away? The question would be followed by another user who would go on to confirm the reports. Yeah, he did this morning. My husband was one of the officers who secured the building he stayed in.

05:24 Another user would go on to share that Grady Hospital paramedics were on the scene. Several online users immediately wanted to verify if the news was true, including Hot 97 host Ebro, who would go on to ask, Did the internet kill Kevin Samuels or is it real? Anyway, it should be said he made broke dudes and women in denial think again about their range. Samuels will mostly be known as an advocate for men and coined the term high-value man, which at times will put a spotlight on his reasons why some women struggle with dating and marriage. At the height of his career, Samuels would go on to gain a following on YouTube with over 1.4 million subscribers and 1.1 million on Instagram. This past February, Samuels would even team up with rapper Future for his music video Worst Day.

06:08 Before becoming a relationship guru, Samuels would get his start in men's grooming and fashion with reviews on men's cologne on his now popular YouTube channel. It appears that in 2017, Samuels would seemingly shift his focus on dating advice. Okay. All right. So Kevin Samuels, the way I know of Kevin Samuels is his cologne videos. I'm a huge cologne fan. Colonel. Cologne? Yeah. Of the smell, the perfume cologne. Oh, yes. Okay. Mo, it says, we've known each other so long, and yet I discover new things every day.

06:49 Yeah, so that's how I knew of him before he pivoted into the relationship guru and quote-unquote self-help, I would say, or critique, image consultant, that kind of thing. So I knew of him. So to see him go from, you know, 20, 30,000 followers to get to 1.4 million in itself is amazing. And he did it. He was like a shooting star because he only, I think he had on like maybe during the pandemic is when he blew up. So maybe he had a couple of year run. So I just want to lay that out there. But

07:30 his style of what he did was very polarizing. It was very triggering, I guess you could say. And from what I've seen of him, he would talk about, I mean, I think I've heard very similar themes from you. Like, hey, he really wanted black men to marry black women. He would explain to black women what a good black man was, how a black man could be a good black man to a black woman. This, by the way, by itself is polarizing language to some, of course. But is that kind of where he was coming from? Yeah, but then he also did ratings, looks, hot or not, like stuff.

08:10 Kind of, yeah. But he did. The thing was, every woman he talked to caught him. That's the that's the that's the rural sure, of course. And he had this like night. I don't know. You, you're the pod father, you know what I'm saying? You, you're the podcast expert. Would you consider his to be a podcast, or I don't know if you saw many of his shows, but well, more to me, it felt like a night night show. Well, it was first of all, he was doing it live on YouTube, right? Right. Yeah, so it was much more of a Venus flytrap, uh, midnight show, call-in show, kind of 1970s type of vibe. Hey, baby, and let me tell you what's wrong with you. Something like that.

08:55 Here's why it's not working out for you, baby. So, what I want to do is, I don't want to talk about too much. I want to lay it out just so we can get to every point. But one of the points was the hate that he received in his death. Was it appropriate? And what was the reasoning behind it? So, now we're going to go over to DL Hughie and he's going to talk about the response that people celebrate Kevin Samuels' death. So, of course, we were all agreed with the news of Kevin Samuels' passing. And it's interesting because we had just previously, the previous week on Wednesday, we had one of the DLQs we did was about the last statement that I was aware that he made.

09:39 One of the things Brock Cassie performed was when he said that basically, if you're 35 years old and you're not married, you are a leftover, which is indicative of the kind of things that he used to say. As a matter of fact, when when I first heard of him, I was with my road manager, and he had, he was listening to something he said, and it struck me as cruel and unnecessary. And subsequently, I've heard a lot of things that had come out that seemed to have that same tone. And so, you know, when he died, I felt really bad because I thought,

10:20 you know, even in death, some of the comments were just so vitriolic and so acrimonious. I thought that they didn't necessarily fit the crime. I thought that it was just unnecessarily crude. The man had run his race. Everything was over. He wasn't a rapist or a murderer or a child molester or anything of that sort. But whatever he did, it stirred up this kind of these strong feelings of vitriol. Oh, that's interesting. First of all, I am no DL fan at all. Somehow, his tweets always show up on mine on my timeline. You probably get support in some kind of way. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. You know, it's like, I have to search for you.

11:02 I have to search for you, Mo. But DL always shows up on my timeline. But in general, even when people who I don't like, John McCain passed, I would not dance on his grave. This is part just who we are as a society when we're anonymous on Twitter. And part really, really, to me, really sad. I mean, if that's all that people have to do, it's ungodly. There we go. It's ungodly to do that. What I liken it to is when people just say, oh, I'm not going to say the jab or the vax or the Vaseline

11:41 when they were past catch COVID and die. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Hey, he died. It was that times 10. Wow. It was that because you got to look at how he died. I didn't really put that in here, but you know what I'm saying? Because we got enough clips as is. But I was wanting to get to how he died. He died with a woman. Now, was he actually with her at the time of his dying? Oh, my goodness. Okay. And then she happened to be not a black woman. Ooh, okay. This is all of the ways. And it seemed to be

12:26 previously or kind of like, was it a working girl? Who knows? Like I said, but all that fed into, see, one of his, I want to spoil it, but yeah, his whole thing was about how you're going to die and die alone, that kind of thing, right? So, okay. Yeah. I see the irony of it. Yes, of course. Yes. So all this fed into it. But once again, we see people actually who were criminals, victimizers, abusive. They didn't get this kind of dancing on the grave. No, at all. So that's the part of it, trying to figure out where that came from.

13:09 Why did he elicit this kind of response in his death? And yeah, so I mean, that's what I want to get to first. So I guess we can get to the second part of DL clip. It stirred up this kind of these strong feelings of vitriol. So I was talking to a frat brother of mine, and I wanted to do something to say something. So I was talking to him about how I felt. And he was telling me that eulogy, the word, the Latin word eulogy means to speak well of. Not to add, not to detract, but to speak well of. So with that in mind, I'd gone on social media to look at whatever I could to find something that was good to say.

13:52 And I can say this, that mostly everything I saw in terms of his profile was always well-produced pictures and him looking wearing sunglasses and looking cool and well-dressed, but nothing personal. I remember I had made, I had posted, I sent out a tweet and I said that R. Kelly would get warmer condolences than Kevin Samuels was getting, which I think, what I thought was out of line. I thought that, you know, the punishment didn't necessarily fit the crime. And somebody on Twitter said, well, you know, R. Kelly made people feel good, too. He wasn't just what he did. So in death, what you have are two things,

14:33 how people made you feel and how you remember them. And I think that Kevin Samuels was an amalgamation. You know, his profile, his social media presence was designed to do one thing, and that was to forward an image. It seemed. seems like this is the one that he was comfortable with people having of him. And that seems sad to me. Wow. So, DL here is talking about the punishment not fitting the crime. I'm not sure, I'm sure we're going to find out what his actual crime was. Oh, critiquing women. Yeah, I would wage. And it's a day and age. Well, no, I would imagine that all this anger is, of course,

15:18 is also some self-reflection that people may or may not have dealt with themselves. I mean, this is a core issue, a core issue about being able to talk about other people. And I'm not going to paint Kevin Samuels. I'm not going to try to preach him into heaven or paint him as a saint. He was shocked. He understood image. He understood how to cut through, you know, just the onslaught of podcasters and live streamers. He was meticulous about his presentation, his appearance. That was one of the things was he constantly wore suits.

15:58 Yeah. And see, this is the weird thing. It's like I had this thought. It just went through my head. It was like for men that he, where he came from, because he was cool, but he wasn't their traditional kind of cool. If it makes sense. He's kind of like a nerdy kind of cool, right? Yeah, exactly. Well, so he was kind of Superman by putting the suit on. Okay, sure. If that makes sense. Yeah. Well, most performers, I think, put a suit on one way or the other. It's just the whole thing is really interesting to me because NetNet, he's brought something positive to the world.

16:37 That's the way I always saw him. It may not be your cup of tea, but people get so outraged by what people. Was he ever deplatformed at any point? Did the cancel canon ever really hit him hard? No, that was the thing. He understood how to navigate being an image consultant, understanding the YouTube law bylaws, which you could and couldn't say. His approach, he was able to navigate that those rules and make it work in his favor. And I think that's what his success really upset everybody. But speaking of image, I got him himself. And I want to people here, people.

17:19 This is what I found most important about Kevin Samuels. And this is why I made this show. What I think he brought to the table was to make black men, specifically men in general, and men and women that were looking to find a significant other to one be cognizant of their image. And this is specifically the black men because as I did, the first time I ever played a clip of his was about Will Smith. Right. And in the last show, and it was spot on about how our images to be violent. And, you know, two people that are highly trained in their craft couldn't get along.

18:02 You know, this would be expected. It was to one react violent and the other react to his violence with violence. And that was his expectation. This is the kind of thing he brought to the table. And if for nothing else, for us to say, hey, we need to take a look at our image and how we're being portrayed to how we're being used. This is the rub that they, and when I say they, capital, they, they can't use us and portray us in a certain way to gain either economic or political gain. This is what pisses him off. Oh, okay. So this, okay, so I see.

18:42 Would this be the, I'll just use a term. Would he be to some the modern day equivalent of uppity? Oh, he's definitely a Boulet brother. Let's get that out the way, too. No, I'm serious. Like, he was a Kappa, he's Kappa Alpha Side. You know what I'm saying? Well, definitely. But I think he represented that patriarchal side of the Boule. I'm saying, oh, we went, we've been too effeminized. We've been to this. We've been too, you know, to the extreme. But the crazy thing about he's a weird, he's such a fascinating character to observe because

19:23 he could be seen as the consummate metro sexual. To the point, I just got to be honest. When I used to watch his Cologne video, I'm like, is this dude kind of, you know what I'm saying? Because he used to have like a red bull can with a long straw. And it was like, you know, kind of like metro sexual, very metrosexual. So that was the thing. That was the hit against him that, oh, he's gay. It's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. How can you attack an LGBT community member? Right. Well, he's on the down low, so that's no good. See, that's the, so this is why I'm laying all this out. So I say all that to say, I wanted to get into these next three clips of him talking about why does image matter so much.

20:05 How the media changes the way we look at ourselves and other people around us. How the media changes. Thing, why are we here today? Image is power. And today I want to bring it home as one of the few actual image consultants on YouTube as a black man and the destruction of the black male image. There you go. Now, you've seen what's happened over this weekend with brother Kwame Brown. And he talked about how you had men that share his reflection openly destroying him and any ridiculing, talking about him. That man wasn't bothering nobody.

20:49 And for 20 years, he laid out his case. I'm not going to relitigate it because he has done a masterful job. But I want you to think about something. One of the first things that happens, just like in this whole birth of a nation thing, is they mischaracterize you in the media and they use little bits of truth mixed in with gross exaggerations. And in order to make it stick, you got to go along with it. What's one of the ways? Now, you can sit back and say, look at what them white people did. We don't need white people in this conversation right now because we do a good job of this ourselves. You got a black man that comes to you every day, Monday through Friday, in a suit.

21:34 And look at what they've tried to do to me. Yeah, that is kind of weird. It's a fascinating case to watch because the whole thing was pull up your pants, put on a suit. Right. Dressed appropriately. And then he puts on a suit and then he's some kind of sellout and no good. No, it wasn't that it was he was a woman hater or a homosexual or he hated his mother or isn't that what we always used to say about the good-looking guys? He's probably gay. He probably beats his wife. He's too good looking to be true. That was the thing. But what he did, like I said, was he understood image being an image consultant.

22:19 And one, he elevated the image of men, specifically black men, while at the same time, how can I, what's the word I want to use? He would make women be logical about their situation. And that was the problem. You can't introduce logic to princess programming. It's like, no, no, no, that clashes. And it's like, so it would be a call, it'll be a shock to them to hear the truth because we see in today's society, nobody really tells the truth.

22:56 The truth, the truth to victims, quote-unquote victims, women, the gays, the blacks, the Latinx, whoever, whatever the victim group is, you can't give them any truth. Because if it's said, you know, the wrong way, then it's hateful, even though it's true. Well, well, hold on. If you say it the wrong way, then you might break the spell, is what I'm thinking. That's the biggest problem. If you tell black men and black women that, hey, wait a minute, you actually, here's what you do to get your shit together and to be successful. And image is a big part of it. That's kind of breaking the spell that maybe politics doesn't want to be broken.

23:36 And that's the key point. That's the key. He was the ideal respector of respectability politics. Like, there you go with that suit. Are you trying to adhere to the patriarchy? You know, so we're going to get a little deeper, but let's go ahead and get into the second clip of Image Does Matter. Oh. Uh-oh. But then, am I alone? No. This is the history. This is one thing you have learned well. You have learned how to destroy a black man's image for your own negative reasons.

24:15 One, jealousy. Two, scared. Three, envy. Four, you wish you had the position. Whatever the reason is, we're the only group of folks to do it to this level for what? We don't need D.W. Griffith. When you got people that look like you that will do, first thing they do is try to either tell you you're eating. either crazy, violent, aggressive, gus. Uh-oh, he was crazy, sex crazed, and crazed, gonna snatch that woman.

24:57 Well, that's how they did it for the longest, you know, cops and America's most wanton, this and that, pimps and hoes, hurting so forth. But then they isolate that person, telling them you better beware of the boogeyman. Oh, but then what happens on the other side? Then, if you actually have the nerve to carry yourself in a different way, you carry yourself in a way that's not, you know, street or country or whatever. However, you want to frame it, then you got to be gay. Yeah. Black men, are y'all tired of either being either a thug or gay?

25:43 And this hits right at Hollywood. Oh, yeah. This hits right at politics. Get your booty to the poll. Yeah. I mean, it's, or we can just communicate to them on the base level. And what happened, like I said, at some point along the way, 45 Savage has something to do with it, but just the whole, no, we're not going to take it. You're not going to shape our image. We're not going to be the bottom, the sacrificial bottom anymore. Because here's the rub about it. It's not even for, let me say this first. I want to have this conversation where you let me know if this happens on the other side. Because for two things, one reason I have to ask is one, I haven't dated.

26:29 Let me make sure I get my math right. You know what I'm saying? And over 20 years. Let me just leave it like that. You know what I'm saying? Okay, okay. Be very careful. Very careful, Demo. Yes. I'm out the game, so I haven't experienced modern dating. If you can help me with that, okay. My last dating experience was eight years ago before I met Tina. See, so you, you, you, I'm fresh, baby. I'm fresh. Yeah. I got the goods. Is this, I assume so, but is this going on across the racial divide? Is this same conversation happening? So just define that in a sentence when you say this conversation.

27:14 When you hear, okay, the gender war, how is it developing on that side of the racial divide? Okay, well, because I don't want to make this solely about, you know, because I'm doing a the idea is, and we're going to get to this on another show. It's like, okay, it's weird because they're like, oh, white men know how to treat their women right. But it's like you're fighting against the patriarchy. Here's something I hear. Here's something I hear a lot of. Because I have younger, I have daughters and stepdaughters, millennial age.

27:55 I would say that in general, there is amongst the younger a fear of toxic masculinity. And now we're talking white and white. And to such a degree that I believe that they actually avoid masculine type men. I'm actually seeing this across the board. Now, I don't know if there's anything explicitly said about this, but no, there is actually. It has been like, yeah, the toxic masculinity thing has been hammered into

28:37 the white woman's mind as something very bad and to be avoided. And I think that for some of the younger women, it actually has had some kind of effect. That's what I can really say. And funny enough, if anything, kind of an effeminate, gayish guy is almost desired. Right. Right. Now, I think, but on the other side, on our side, it's more of you have to step back and be second in a relationship. Isn't that kind of the same thing?

29:17 But it's not about masculinity. It's about agreeance. You do whatever we tell you to do. That kind of thing. And if you don't, you know what I'm saying? Or the only way you can get around that is if you're so desirable as a man. That's called marriage. I don't know what you're talking about. about. That happens the minute the ring goes on. Now you do what I tell you. Now you see the reason for the gender war. Because let me let me just lay it out here what's going on here in the gender war as I see it with inflation, with COVID, when we were all shut in. It made people look at their lives and say, Okay, I need to make a deal. Like, gotta get it rents up 50%.

30:01 Yeah, gas is up 120%. Food is up, you know what I'm saying? Whatever percentage it is. I can't live single anymore. It's not, it's not feasible to live single anymore. So now people are coming to the deal table and saying, Okay, let's make a deal. And what's happening is these pundits, relationship pundits, I'll include Kevin Samuels in that, is telling people, get the best deal possible. Sure. Okay. But the problem with that is for when men want to get the best deal possible. Because honestly, if you're not having kids, there's no need to get married. Right. This is my advice to my child, my son. If you're not having children, there's no need to get married.

30:44 There's nothing beneficial in it. You see what I'm saying? Like, this is when you get to the brass tax of it because you just said yourself, that's marriage. Yeah. I know you said it in jest, but that's kind of the thing with, okay, I can get put out at any time. I can lose the kids. Oh, okay. Yeah, okay. Right. Oh, that. Yeah. So there's a much longer history of this, which, you know, I think goes back to episode one, No Man About the House, all the way through to episode 81, you know, with baby mama and baby, baby daddy culture, all that. I mean, that's truly a culture. And it's not just black.

31:26 It's white. It's poor. A lot of it's poor. But in popular culture, holy crap, it's rampant. Yes, rampant. And they want to keep popular culture wants to keep the gender war going because it leads to depopulation. Because as we know, all roads lead to depopulation. No, sir. I mean, I know you're hey, I think it's very obvious. We know where the Planned Parenthood outfits are. We know what neighborhoods they're in. We know who got special attention for certain medical procedures in the past two years. Oh, yeah. It's always the goal of the elites. So let's go ahead and get to the final clip of Image Matter So Much.

32:08 But what y'all need to understand is we're reaching a critical mass in this time to where this is not working anymore. This is not working anymore because unlike when D.W. Grift came out, when Hollywood and the media and the movie, the movie industry, it was much more controlled. It's decentralized. All you need is a smartphone and an internet connection. And now the rabbit has the gun. And people are having an answer for what they say. And if you won't hold that, if you won't be that, if you won't act like the thing they're trying to say you are, it won't fit. Why is that so important? Because we have a scarcity mentality.

32:53 Because black male media has yet to exist for black men by black men. Well, here's a chance. Understand that image is power and everybody else seems to understand its power. When are black men going to decide to start going in their pockets and funding it for ourselves? Hell yeah. Because I don't think you guys get it. Why would anybody else want to build it for you if they benefit off of you being where you are? Oh, well, now there's the core problem right there. He points it right out. No wonder he was hated. People were activated against him because he was a black man saying what he felt. Big problem. You know, you can't do it. And he's saying it to where you're not, can't be framed as angry or belligerent because he wore a suit.

33:36 And he wore a suit. Let me be honest, he had multiple gears. He could take it there if you brought it there to him. He could go to that gear, but then he also could go to this gear that you hear him in. He can be very funny a lot of time. I mean, he had great comedic timing. So, yeah. So that was the thing. But once again, we got to talk about where we're at. Well, can I ask you a question first? Yeah, go ahead. Because we didn't actually discuss it. I'm not sure. I know. How did he die? What was the cause of his passing?

34:14 Something with his heart. And that's the other thing. Like, he never said if he was vaccinated or not. But that never, that topic never came up. It was drugs. It was Red Bulls because he was known to drink Red Bulls. Oh, no, no, of course. Of course, that could never be an option. That's completely impossible. Also, murder comes to mind. I'm just going to be honest. Well, I didn't go that angle with this show. It's where I went with Michael Jackson. I go there very often when I see people who are not liked by governments. There's not enough evidence for me to go down there, but there is a lot of

34:55 misalignment of stories of how he knew this woman, how long he knew this woman, but this is all alleged. I don't know. But I'm just telling you, it's hypothetically, could I see a person being removed at such his stature? 1.4 million followers is a big deal, especially in quote-unquote black YouTube. Like, yeah, quote-unquote, black Twitter. Like, I mean, that's why I was saying before in the previous show, black YouTube is a more diverse representation of black media than black Twitter is. Because you get always from the manic spirits to third-wave feminists.

35:40 So, I mean, you get a full array of voices. Where with Twitter, due to the algorithm, they censor out a lot of information. And by the way, the 1.2 or 1.5 million followers, it could have been 10 million. You don't really know what YouTube is putting on those numbers to me are always suspicious. And when you get to that number of followers, you're jumping the racial line or racial divide. You're reaching a lot of different people across the world. So that's the other thing that I could he have been suppressed? Who knows? I'm keeping my eye on that angle up here, of course. But I thought, you know, just

36:26 have this show today just to represent where he came from. I think that would be a good angle. So this is Naomi Wolf. We love Dr. Naomi Wolf. Okay. She wrote a book, what was it? The Beauty Myth. And this is 1990 something. She's changed a little bit since then, I might point out. She's had some form of an awakening in the past two years. True. But I want to lay out why when he was coming up against this beauty thing, he was kicking a real hornet's nest with the feminists.

37:09 Because she is one of the first people to kind of use the term third wave feminism. So that's just to give you perspective about her. But let's get into these set of clips. Let's start with number eight. But I do want to focus today on a thought-provoking new book and its author that Time magazine in its section on ideas recently highlighted as the bad side of looking good. A young American author causes a storm by arguing that women have become victims of a punishing cult of beauty. Indeed, the subtitle of Naomi Wolfe's new William Morrow book, The Beauty Myth, says it all. How images of beauty are used against women. Now, perhaps Ms.

37:52 Wolf would have been better advised to have subtitled her book, How Images of Beauty Have Long Been Used Against Women. For though her thesis is that we are in the midst of a violent backlash against feminism that uses images of female beauty as a political weapon against women's advancement, the beauty myth, she adds importantly, it is the modern version of a social reflex that has been in force since the Industrial Revolution. So much then for the criticism that the beauty myth is old hat. And I would ask Ms. Wolf if she doesn't really strive to make that point herself, that it is old hat.

38:36 Well, exactly. We do, we've lived under a patriarchal system for as long as there's been recorded history. And ever since there have been records, women have been controlled in various ways. And you could say that the cult of beauty is ancient. Oh, this is so great to hear now in context of how she speaks today. This is fantastic. Yeah. Oh, yeah. A regular Jane Fonda. Yeah, and that's the thing about it. She's a quote-unquote beautiful woman. And that's the rub is that you see all these beautiful women speak in a certain way about beauty and so flippantly about, oh, yeah, you know, it's just another thing.

39:21 Don't judge me by it. But it's kind of giving the reason reason why. why they're not the only reason, but added to the reason why they're even sought after to be experts or to speak on certain topics. Sure, sure. That's always the conundrum of it. It's called pretty privilege. I mean, that's what has been like referred to on the gender war fronts: is that beautiful women have certain privileges. And I think what they want to do, or what they were attempting to do when she wrote this book, was to say women should define what beauty is, and men should adhere to that new way of thinking.

40:05 Oh, how horrible, right? I mean, like, that's I don't like that at all. See, that's that's the thing is that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, yes, right? No, that's no, this is the reconditioning. This is the you know, uh, and we see it now fast forward where you see, and like I said, everybody has something beautiful about them, but you see, certain commercials has a uh diversity of size, a diversity of color spectrum to the point where they even have people with allopa, not alopecia, what's the other one, vertigo, uh, vertiligo.

40:46 This is a this is a thing now, like you know, let's we got to get a Vertiligo girl, you know, with uh, oh, yeah, no, of course, it's not that they're not beautiful, of course, they're beautiful, but the fact is that you're only getting them because they have a skin condition, and this goes back to the alopecia thing with Jada Pickens. A lot, it's a lot of tie-ins to lessen. This actually, you know, that specifically that that in high fashion goes back in my life decades ago, it was, oh my God, look how beautiful she is, the redhead, the redhead with the freckles, you know, and what would traditionally was known as, oh my God, a ginger, you're despicable to look at, was celebrated.

41:26 And of course, the redhead, freckled girls they found were beautiful. But this is this has been quite a thing in fashion. Fashion has always done this. Go back to the period of Rubens, where today, I mean, they wouldn't even really count in the Cardi B camp, you know? Right. And the other thing is, men don't decide this when you talk about beauty and fashion and fashion models and that kind of thing. Men don't decide that. We have our own idea of what is beautiful is, and it varies from man to man. Yeah, of course. Like I said, some guys like redheads, some guys like women with short hair, some guys like tall women, short women.

42:06 And it's beauty at the beholder. But what's happening is you have this cult of beauty that she's talking about. The one that set the Bernays group of thinking. Right. Right. But that you can control women through, you know, have them being fixated on their appearance compared to the other side that, oh, we can play to men's sexual desires. And that's the two groups, you know what I'm saying, that's being played off each other. And ordinary men and women are lost in this gender war in the middle. And I would argue that Jordan, Jordan Peterson is in a way on the other side of that debate.

42:46 Because he will come in. I was going to say that would be a good comp to who Kevin Samuels was. Okay. No, that makes sense. That would be a great. I'm glad you brought him up because he has slipped my mind. As far as he's not your traditional person that you would think would speak on relationships, but because of how he presents the information, it makes him very potent. I think that that would be a great comp for those two. Yeah. And Peterson's thing is: look, you know, you wear high heels. Why do you wear high heels? That's to make you look sexually more attractive by making your calves pop out more. Why do you wear makeup? Why do you wear rouge?

43:30 Because that's, you know, lipstick, it simulates the blood rushing into your lips after orgasm. I mean, this is this is all really well-known, documented scientific stuff the fashion industry does for women and for men. Except he points it out and gets shit for it. Right, because you're not supposed to say it. No, it's rude. It's kind of like talking about money, right? It's kind of beauty has become like money where it's rude to talk about it. I can be attractive and even attractive people or play it down. Like, oh, no, no, I'm just a regular ordinary girl. That kind of thing. It's like, no. Or, or my favorite. I'm glad you're blind. That's my favorite.

44:10 I haven't heard that. Yeah, I get that a lot. I am kind of blind, but I can see close up really well. But no, I mean, this is the entire culture. Lizzo is my favorite example. You know, Lizzo is overweight. There's no two ways about it. Perhaps medically endangering herself. But you can't say that. No, you have to say, I love how she just puts it all out there. You go to activity. Yeah, yeah. And it's not, I mean, sure, that's fine, but it's... You know, it's like if someone's unhealthy, you should be able to point that part out.

44:49 And what's the lady, I had a set of Lizzer clips in this show as well, but I had to take them out. But what's the lady's name from the biggest loser? The one that's like the real. I don't know. She's a personal trainer. It'll come to me. But anyway, she's one of those drill sergeant type personal trainers. Like, get up, dude. You know what I'm saying? Dude, do that. That kind of thing and kind of give you the hard truth. You know what I'm saying? On the show. Jillian Michaels. That's it. Jillian Michaels. She got into a flare with Lizzo because she wouldn't say, oh, we should celebrate Lizzo being so large. So just go to show you, this is bigger than gender. This is like anything that comes out, you know, that doesn't stick to the

45:33 what I call the corporate credit score. Yes. This has a big play into it that this is part of that diversity and inclusion thing. And this goes back, I would say, to about 2010. I witnessed this. We followed this. It started with bullying. And it was story after story. Ah, they're getting bullied in schools, bully for this, bully for that. Then we got bullying rules. Then we got bullying laws. Then we got hate speech. Then we got hate speech laws. And then we got participation trophies. And no one lost. I mean, this happened real.

46:13 Now there was set up for it, but it went very quickly. 10, 15 years max for the acceleration that it went through. It was fascinating to watch and kind of scary how fast that went. All based in the education system. That's where it all came from initially. Yeah, the re-education system. The re-education system, yes. So I think we stopped at eight. Yeah, I think we're going to nine now. Yep. But you know, it's interesting. You say, if they can't eat properly, and before you use the word, and then I think protracted it, victim. Now, why say that women are victims and why say that they can't eat properly?

46:56 Who is doing this to whom? Who is doing this to whom? Western women, since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, have been uniquely controlled by ideals. In the 19th century, the perfect beauty was an ideal of sickness. And I argue that repeatedly, whenever there's a class of Western middle-class women who are literate and idle, and there's the ferment of feminism in the air, as there was in the 19th century, some ideal is going to be needed to control them and make sure that that does not get out of hand. And sure enough, this cult of invalidism in the 19th century grew and flourished. Publicists all around told women that, middle-class women, that they should be sick.

47:34 A booming industry of sexual surgeons and sexual doctors attending to female complaints grew up, telling women that normal, healthy female processes were in fact diseased, like menstruation and sexual desire were manifestations of disease. And middle-class women got sick. Again, in the 50s, when the economy needed women to leave their war work, when the men were returning from the front, this society desperately needed an ideology that would drive women back into the home and convince them that the ideal woman was the full-time happy homemaker, absolutely obsessed with the shining perfect floor. It's interesting hearing her say all this, which I kind of agree with the interviewer. It all sounds kind of classic.

48:18 I've heard it before. But she's really complaining about the media. She says the patriarchy, but it's the media, the advertising that's all now, whether that's run by the patriarchy or not a secondary. But also, holy crap, she should listen to this herself. You know, she's on War Room with Steve Bannon these days. I mean, she's really come around. It's fascinating that I would like to hear what she has to say about this now. Yeah. Because I don't necessarily disagree with her that we've talked about how Eric Bernays

48:58 turns smoking into a cool habit by how he positioned cigarettes as freedom, tortures, and freedom. And she said something in there that I think it kind of slipped past. She said, women are controlled, modern women. I mean, she's talking. talking about middle class. She said a tinge of, I think, of feminism fermenting in the air or something like that. They're controlled by ideals. There you go. So one ideal has just replaced the other. I mean, you're still women, you're still being mind control. Yes. It's just now

49:40 hate men, hate the white man mostly, but might as well hate some black. They just hate all men. I hate pretty women. Oh, yes, please. That's the other thing, too. I mean, that's when they talk about the rabbit has the gun. Now it's like, okay, the women that weren't traditionally beautiful are in positions of power now due to affirmative action and the third wave feminism, second wave feminism, to the point where they can come in and write the rules now. So you feel yourself still to have been a victim of the beauty myth. A survivor of the beauty myth, yes. You know, let me go back to this business of victimization. Sure. Today, there is

50:24 the mommy trap, there is the beauty trap, there was the feminine mystique, which was the feminine mystique trap. You put it on political basis, you put it on an economic basis. Absolutely. Why haven't you been willing to accept, to limit yourself, your critique to the economics of salesmanship or saleswomanship? Because that's not adequate. You have a choice when you're being bombarded with advertising. Ultimately, you have a choice whether to buy or not buy that product if your livelihood doesn't depend on it.

51:02 What's happened over and above the way these four industries are manipulating mass media is that increasingly the beauty myth is being used to make women not only feel but believe, to make it be true that their careers, their income, their livelihood depends upon their conforming to these stereotypes. I just got to stop it right there. Have you looked at Instagram or TikTok lately? Have we all looked at what women are doing makeup-wise to have influence, to be popular, to be pretty? I mean, the makeup is 10 times heavier than the 1950s. And that's why I said the rabbit had, that's why I was talking about the rabbits. Yes.

51:48 It's not. See, and this is the thing about freedom. People think when a group wins freedom or independence, they're just going to hand it over to you. They're like, nah, we're going to hold on to this and we're going to use it in our way. We're going to manipulate for the good. Of course. Always, always. I think. Let me finish out the clip with her. I just forget to interrupt because otherwise I forget. Over and above the way these four industries are manipulating mass media is that increasingly the beauty myth is being used to make women not only feel but believe to make it be true that their careers, their income, their livelihood

52:30 depends upon their conforming to these stereotypes, that their sexuality depends upon conforming to these stereotypes, that their sense of self-worth as human beings depends upon it, that their visibility on the planet depends upon it. Now, those are very difficult things to negotiate with. Impossible, I would say. And I think it's therefore inadequate to stop short. Also, it's certainly been done before, and it's not an adequate explanation to me to blame either men's sexual desire, which I think is not, as I said, the source of this pressure, or the capitalist economy. I mean, certainly the capitalist economy stimulates and exacerbates this. Oh, okay.

53:06 Let me make a shortcut here. Kevin Samuels was actually a very important counterweight to what women are doing to themselves because you, now this is from the 1990s. You add to this video filters, you add to this, you know, the, as I was saying, influencers, you add to this algorithms. And women are literally, I don't know if the rabbit has the gun. Women are caught in, they're caught in a cycle where you just have to keep putting out, you know, in order to either stay popular in school or to be relevant in middle school or to maybe

53:50 try and have a career as an influencer, which seems to be top of the list for most. You have to adhere to all these crazy tight body rules and attitudes and things. To me, it's like the worst trap of all that they're going through right now. But they want it. it, though. Well, do they? Or are they mind-controlled into this? There's no one saying, stop except the guy who just died. Because what he says is: if you think you want the guy that you think you want, this is how you gotta look.

54:30 Exactly. This is what you got to do to get him. And what they're hearing is, no, no, Disney's told me all my life. If I do all the right things and the right things now is going to school, getting a degree, you know what I'm saying, becoming financially marrying me would be financially advantageous for you. You know, that kind of thing. But what Kevin, it doesn't, to those guys, it doesn't matter how you look. How much money you make. It's about how you look. So why do you want that kind of guy? Because top, this is his terminology.

55:10 High-value man was top 10% of men. And every one of the women that were calling him felt like they had a right to one of those top 10% men. And I look at Tyler Perry because he had a lot to do with this as well. That, you know what I'm saying, solidifying this thought process. So when they would get a wake-up call for him, he's like, do you really think top 10% guy is going to date what saying your size, your height, this outside the beauty scale? That's what, and he would tell them that.

55:54 So what he was saying in effect was, go get you a regular guy. And that was like, that was, that was cuss words. A regular guy. Are you crazy? Now, under regular, we understand what? What do you mean? Well, what's a regular guy? Maybe a guy that makes $75,000 a year as an electrician. A good solid guy. A good solid guy. No, you know, he's a regular guy. You got to get it right. He's regular. I'm sorry. I got it all wrong. Hey, at least he's not a podcaster. Well, it depends on. See? How much does he make? Is he a Joe Rogan podcaster? Yeah. Or is he saying, you know, Adam and Mo podcast?

56:41 Never heard of them. Yeah. So, no, that's the thing. So, yeah, he was basically like breaking their spell. And like, it would just like throwing water on a vampire, you know, holy water on a vampire. It was just like, it was that jarring, not that they were demonically oppressed. Now we can get to the final piece with Naomi Wolf. I agree with so much of it, but there is one part that concerns me greatly, and that is the... And you, as a scholar, will recognize the phrase the devil theory of history. You're looking for a devil, and you don't find it inside ourselves.

57:24 You find it in a manipulation, in a creation and a manipulation of that creation by forces outside. And you're not even satisfied with an economic approach. You want to make it something larger. There are forces at work in our society that purposefully manipulate women to keep them in the home. Yes, or to keep them feeling imprisoned in their bodies. Yes, I have no apology for that. The way I put it in the book is this is not a conspiracy theory. It doesn't have to be. I've become convinced, and I'm very influenced by the work of Barbara Ehrenweich, who I think proved this absolutely without a doubt in her book, For Her Own Good, 150 Years of the Experts' Advice to Women, that if you look at the history of how middle-class women do are made to do what needs to be,

58:11 what the economy and what society need them to do at any given moment, you're looking at manipulation, which is so necessary and so almost reflexive that it doesn't even have to be conscious. She thinks this is something of a higher power or a more nefarious, not just economics or even politics behind it. I mean, that's just a surmise what she was saying. And I don't disagree. I've always felt that. And that's why I say the rabbit has the gun now, because the women, the feminists that were fighting to get control of these mechanisms are using them for their own

58:54 agenda now. Right. That was what Me Too was about. That was what the, you know, just everything, you know. Are you saying there's a cabal of women out to take power of the world, Mo? I'm saying that they're an alliance with other groups to beauty is genetics at the end of the day. I know that I mean, that's like, well, what this we know that. Well, genetic genetics on genetics on all sides, you know, it's what you're attracted to is also your genetics.

59:34 And that may not be what, you know, the most beautiful person by traditional standards. But the point I'm trying to make is only the pretty people are going to make it. When they start talking about that 10%, get rid of the 90%. Beautiful people, that's going to be one of the qualifiers. Well, that's kind of a sad thought, but yes, I, yeah, that is ultimately how Hitler looked at it. You know, the pure race, the perfect features. So, yeah, I can imagine forces like that. It's a component of eugenics, but there's also a thing called eugenics. It's not about race.

1:00:16 It's about what you bring to the table, either heightened intelligence, heightened beauty, athletic skills. You know, these are the people we celebrate at the end of the day. This is our royalty in the world. You know what I'm saying? Either you have some kind of athletic skill and superior intelligence. Well, yes. This is why people are so obsessed with two high-end junkies to watch the Johnny Depp Amber Heard trial. But they were high-end junkies, beautiful people or not. But that's their gift that they bring forward.

1:00:54 And that's the kind of people that they want to move forward. And what they want to do is discourage this thing about ordinary, regular, this words like this is these are discouragers from you procreating. Right. Oh, man. That's pretty evil. Yeah, it is. So now we got to go back to throwback show 64. And this is Moya Bailey. This is the woman that coined the term misogyny war. And that's a specific type of misogyny of black men that black men have towards black women. So I want to get into her talk about digital alchemy because it's kind of what Naiman Wolf was talking about as well.

1:01:36 I talk about something I call digital alchemy, which is to me that process of BIPOC folks, specifically black women, using the tools, the platforms that have been provided and then using them in a way that they were never intended. So really disrupting the expectations of a platform like Twitter and a platform like Facebook to do something else. But I don't know that that is always a generative practice.

1:02:13 Sometimes I feel like it is coming from a place of reaction. So it is in response to some violence that has occurred and it is speaking to the moment and using that tool. But generative digital alchemy is something I would set apart and say that there's potential for something else. And it's less about, I do think that Audrey Lord is exactly right. And in that context, she was thinking specifically about what's happening in the academy. You know, do we imagine that getting imbricated into this system and this institution that we know is so harmful that we can actually disrupt it, dismantle it, undo the institution and make it into something else?

1:03:02 And I don't think that that is true. I think she's absolutely right that the master's tools will never dismantle the master's house. I do think that what digital alchemy perhaps offers is an opportunity to build a new house with new tools and that we need to do that work of building new tools. And some of that work happens through, you know, trying the tools that are available to us and realizing that they don't work in the ways that we want them to. Yeah, didn't she create the term misogynoir? Yes. Yeah. Yeah, I remember now.

1:03:41 So this goes to show that Kevin Samuels was a digital alchemist for the other side. When she said taking their tools, as you heard, all you need is saying an internet connection, a smartphone, like we talked a joke about two guys or two laptops. pretty much internet connection. Well, more like two tin cans and some string, but yeah, we got an internet connection, right? Quote-unquote connection. Uh, you know, it goes in and out as it wants to, but this had a real world effect.

1:04:17 So, now what I want to go into this is Karen Hunter, and we've heard them use repurposed Malcolm X talking points or, you know, phrases that one was the black women are most the least protected woman on the face of the earth, which is true in a sense, but the way they used it with the whole Magde Stallion case, have you seen that whole thing blew up? I don't know if you have seen it or not. She may have not even been shot, so they have stepped on glass. Wait a minute, you mean in her foot? Yes, this is now just coming out that that was a bull crap story. Yes, but you saw how they use it politically. Yeah, we kind of knew that when we talked about it back then, didn't we?

1:05:01 We talked about it on the show. Yeah, we did, but you saw how they kind of drag it out for the election. They bring her out to use her as a victimized black woman in the hands of a black man. You know, this is crazy. We're learning so many things after the fact. One of these days, we're going to find out that the election was rigged. I'm telling you, it's going to come out. But it's funny you bring up the election because they're looking forward to a 2022-2024. Oh, yeah, most definitely. And Karen Hunter is going to talk about the ballot and the bullet. But listen to how she, who she's not going to listen to politically anymore. And Luke Campbell, y'all know him as Uncle Luke, Luther Campbell.

1:05:45 He of the Florida booty scene. He of the, you know, debaucherist music and, you know, Doodle Brown and all of that. All right, stop. Doodle Brown. Listen, yeah, that's one of his songs. But listen, how she talks about him, debaucherous rapper, all this. This is the same guy that sat down with Kamala Harris to certify her blackness. He put that clip in here, but I just wanted to make it. He did his job and he still gets slammed. Is that what you're saying? Well, he's stepping out of line now, and maybe for a reason, but let's get back to the clip. You know, Doodle Brown and all of that raised a question this weekend that got a lot of attention.

1:06:31 Got a lot of attention. And I thought it was interesting that he asked a question: just give me five reasons why black people should vote. And then a more valid question. Give me five things that the Democrats have done for black people specifically. I'm not going to get my political direction from Uncle Luke, anybody that you could put into a glass of Hennessy. I'm not going to get my political direction from anybody who calls themselves a 50 Diddy. I'm not going to get my political leaning. I'm sorry. What's a 50 Diddy? I think she said at 50. Oh, at 50. Okay. Ageism. How you like that?

1:07:15 Yeah. We're talking about the guy from Two Life Crew, right? Well, now she's going down a whole list of them now. She said, started with Luke. Right, but when she talks about Uncle Luke, that's Luke Skywalker. That's Two Life Crew. Okay, just want to make sure. I mean, I know Uncle Luke when he was just Luke from back in the day. He was just Luke. He was just Luke. Direction from anybody who calls themselves a 50 Diddy. I'm not going to get my political leanings from anyone who looks like Basquiat, who's trying to evoke Basquiat and become the next Boschiat, but has no drawing artistic abilities whatsoever, but is a pretty decent rapper. I'm not getting my information or my political direction from my basketball player.

1:08:00 I'm not going to get it from anybody. You know, and not even a politician. Let me just say there's not even a Barack Obama can give me any political direction right now. I'm actually going to take my direction from Malcolm X, who was very strategic in this ballot or bullet. The ballot or the bullet. Yes. So what she was saying is she's not going to take her political advice from no black men. No. That's what she's saying. That's why she was talking about Jay-Z Diddy, LeBron James, Barack Obama. She's not taking any. You're starting to see that divide. Yeah. You see it happening. We've been talking about this, what, two, three years now?

1:08:45 Yes. It's the official pull away time. And the reason why I'm bringing this up is we're going to get back to Kevin Samuels and what he represented, but I'm. I'm showing you this feels like it has a bad ending. This doesn't feel good, what you're telling me now. It's precarious. Let's just go ahead and get into the second part. There is a movement afoot in our country where the Trumpian approach to thinking has been used and weaponized for a certain segment of the Black community. And that Trumpian way of thinking is first and foremost a grievance mindset, right?

1:09:28 Not that Black people don't have legitimate reasons for grievance, but Trumpism and Trumpism weaponizes grievance, right? And it weaponizes division, right? So this movement, it's ADOS, it's these other things, is based on this idea that there is something so unique to the black slavery experience in the United States that we should not be tolerating anybody else getting any kind of oxygen or help or support or legislation or whatever, because if they get any recognition or if their suffering is recognized, be they Bahamian or Haitian or new immigrants or whatever, then it diminishes our story because we're always at the back of the line.

1:10:14 So you start from this grievance of we're always at the back of the line. And so therefore, the only way we can ever get to the front of the line is that if we push everybody else behind us, right? And that's a great theory if you're in the majority. But in a country where you're 14% of the population, that's a stupid theory. What that really is, is saying, well, you black people, don't you dare connect with those brown Hispanics? Don't you dare connect with those Indians, those Asians that are immigrants. Don't you dare connect with that LGBTQ community. Don't you dare connect with those women who are on fire and allies for you. Don't you do that? Because then when you get together, you might be in a majority. And we don't want you to be in the majority. Oh, well, don't you connect with fill in the blank.

1:10:58 Keep holding the door. That's now you. A lot of things I'm finding. Keep holding the door. Keep holding the door. Keep holding the door. Yeah. That's what she's saying. Very clearly, if you can't get along with the newly immigrants, if you can't get along with the LGBT, if you can't get along with the women who are on fire and ride for you, like Black Lives Matter to exploit Black Male Death, you know what I'm saying, to buy large mansions. Hey, you don't want to hold the door no more? You're siding with the white supremacists. That's basically what she's saying in a nutshell. Yeah. Yeah. And this is recent, right? This is, this is a new. Oh, this was this week. This was this week.

1:11:42 I love how I'd love a definition of Trumpyism, Trumpism, whatever she called it. Well, that's the Kanye voter. Right, but still, a definition would be nice. I mean, rich, successful, masculine, you know, all of these things don't count, I guess. It's all just about the divisiveness and it's horseshit. Any signs of heterosexual, straight, super straight black men that want to be accommodated for our vote, for our political power, for the use of our image. No, shut up. Get to the, keep holding the door. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? You can't have grievances.

1:12:27 And this, what I, what this does, this parallel runs parallel in the gender war as well. Go to work. Put all your money in the bank. Shut up. Don't say anything. Don't you know what I'm saying? Don't use that towel. This is what the guys are hearing. And they're saying as they're walking away from the political table, they're walking away from the relationship table as well. It's the same mindset. It's like, if I'm going to suffer, I might as well suffer on my own. Right. Which is, I'm pro-family. I think they're saying I don't think that's a good idea. But in hindsight, well, not even hindsight.

1:13:08 And looking at relationships now in 2022, and I was a young man, I would be looking at it the same way. Like, oh, wait a minute. Like, this deal kind of sucks. I die younger. I'm going to be to blame for everything. I got to be damn near perfect. I just can't be regular. I can't be Joe the electrician, you know, to make $70,000, $85,000 a year. No, that's not acceptable. Something just hit me. You know, we talk about what happens with black men in this situation. White men, they have their own category of despair, which is incel. I don't think there's a lot of black incels for some reason.

1:13:55 vaping in the basement playing video games. Is that the basic comic books and samurai swords? See, that's the thing with the image. We've been portrayed either as thugs. Yeah. Or, you know, gay or some kind of athlete. And what's happening is these guys that are underrepresented, you know, just came to be drawn to Kevin Samuels. Do you think that in general, just as man-to-man, regardless of skin color, background, do you feel that a lot of

1:14:39 transgenderism might be spurred by this? Like, if you can't beat them, join them. Or, you know, it just feels like there's something there. I think, and, you know what? I think that's on both sides of the coin with transgenderism and queerism. I think that's the new term for queerism. Like, I can't be an attractive woman, but I'll make for a cute boy. You see what I'm saying? That kind of thing. Or our problems. So I'll go to be a transgender woman. It's kind of like these people trying to find their place in life. Yeah. Well, it's interesting because the problems we're discussing here transcend race and background.

1:15:23 They are universal, but quite unique for black men because you literally get abused when you're dead to start protests. I mean, that's what you're really good for. That's the only value that we bring to the table. It seems so. But I can say, I mean, this is going to be one of the few shows, like I said, race is not really that. It's not really the issue, yeah. Other than the uniqueness of the tactics. And the outcome is the same. But the uniqueness of the tactics is different. Am I correct in assuming that the biggest issue you have personally is that

1:16:07 this course that these black women are sailing on will result in ultimate depopulation of black America? It's the replacement theory. I'm just going to lay it out there right up front. Replacement with Islanders, Brown, everything but Ados. You literally heard her call out Ados. Yes. I think this plays a part into it. And in general, we're all being replaced. That's why people don't really want to understand is we're all being replaced. I learned 81 episodes ago. It's like everything that's happening to you is going to happen to me.

1:16:49 It's raining over here. You're saying this side of the world. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It's not that way. I've been paying close attention. Yeah. But so now we got to go back to Naomi Wolf because she's going to talk about the manipulation of the media on men now. Do you think that men are equally the victims of this ideal? Certainly in the last five years or so, advertisers have figured out that it works, that you can target a vast market by making people feel sexually inadequate and sexually insecure. And increasingly, there's a new beauty myth being developed in mainstream media aimed at men to undermine their feelings of aesthetic self-worth.

1:17:33 And psychiatrists are predicting a rise in eating disorders among young men. However, I don't believe in my lifetime, as long as men hold the balance of economic power, that they will feel that their appearance determines not only their attractiveness to women, if that's who they're interested in, but their entire self-worth as a human being. In other words, men have role models in the world all around them. Women's role models that they see are largely confined to fashion models. And so until the balance of power in society changes tremendously, I doubt that men will see fashion models, male fashion models, and view them as role models.

1:18:09 Then you are essentially talking about power. Exactly. That's precisely what I'm talking about. I left out an interim link there when I was explaining who's in fault, who's to blame. I described a social mood in which a new ideology was desperately necessary. One of the new things, new points I make in my book, which is very important, is that I am not blaming men as individual lovers, husbands, fathers. I don't believe that the pressure of this intensified, what I call beauty backlash, comes from individual men. I believe it comes from institutions, male-dominant institutions that are safeguarding political power. Yeah, that's interesting because that and I like, I think that's why I've always liked Naomi Wolf, although I, you know, recently with the stuff where they are, her head has turned around,

1:18:57 we've come up with a new name for her. She's a MAGA tard, which is kind of like MAGA with Libtard combined. It's really interesting how she's transcended. And I've always liked that she attacks the advertising business in the media because that's been true since advertising has existed. It's all about sex. Every product is, you're never going to get laid unless you buy this product. It doesn't matter what the product is. That is ultimately the message. Almost always. I think it's different now. Can I stop you right there? Because I think it's different now. I think it's you're not going to get laid, so buy this product. Oh, okay. I'll have to reevaluate. I'll have to look at some

1:19:43 mainstream and take a look. Possibly. The only thing I will say is that in the 1990s, there were a lot of female leaders in the world. East Germany, Nicaragua, Ireland, Bangladesh, France, Poland, Turkey, Canada, Rwanda, Sri Lanka, Haiti. I mean, there were women, and that's outside of the United States. And by the way, those countries are not doing any better. So, you know, that myth is kind of, it kind of falls apart, although unique with a lot of the female leaders in the world, not childbearing women.

1:20:26 A lot of leaders do not have children. That was the trade-off. Yes. Career woman delay your childbearing years. Yeah. And that was part of their female having it all. That was part of the women's liberation movement. That was by their own design. But let's just keep it. Let's just be, as we always do, be completely honest. There is a supremacy with women with children over women without children. And it's been that way since the dawn of time.

1:21:08 The greatest honor you can have is to be a mother. Now, I was saying we know that due to medical reasons or whatever, women can have, can't have children for whatever reason. And that's oftentimes seen as a curse in older times. But amongst women, and they won't admit to it, but there is a hierarchy of mothers over non-mothers. And that's why they say, I want to have it all. Listen to the, you know what I'm saying? And we're talking about, we're not talking about everyday women here. We're talking about the power, like you're saying, the power brokers.

1:21:49 I want to have it all. I want to have the husband. I want to have the powerful job. I want to have the children, you know, saying that worship me. You know, I want to have it all. And there's a hierarchy. And I'm just going to be completely honest about it because I've noticed this over the years of being married to a woman amongst certain groups. If it's wives, that's a hierarchy over single women. Women that are wives that are mothers, that's a hierarchy over just wives. Yeah. And if you're a working mom that's married, oh, you're at the pinnacle.

1:22:31 It's so interesting. We have several female friends who are single, age range 30 to mid-50s. And they all find it incredibly hard to find someone. But when I question it, they set the bar pretty high. They set it pretty damn high. And yeah, I'm like, oh, man. Because Disney told me I can have it all. Yeah. And I'm not trivializing it. We've seen Disney talk about grooming children. Disney have been grooming women since it's this inception of it.

1:23:17 And I'm saying this to bring attention to it because it's disgusting now because we're seeing it spill back over on men. And this is how you get the manosphere. So now I want to talk about this is FD signifier. And he's going to give us a dissection of the manosphere and more specifically the black manosphere. And this is the result of those castaway. in sales, whatever you want to call them. Up until now, I've mostly been talking only about white men and boys. And while there is plenty of diversity in all of these groups, there are some distinct differences in what most refer to as the black manosphere, which has grown a lot in terms of visibility in the last few years with figures like Kevin Samuels and Kind of Fresh and Fit.

1:24:01 I'll get to that later. That said, the Black Manosphere is not new. And to be fair, at least on YouTube, it's probably been around a lot longer in its current state than its white counterparts. And I think it's important to like parse out some of these differences before moving on because we want to keep in mind that these two groups definitely converge in some areas but separate in others. Unlike his white counterpart, the black manosphere has the benefit of being able to subterfuge a lot of his elements under the guise of pro-black thought and political discourse. Many, not all, but many of the figures in the black manosphere present themselves as pro-black political figures and talking heads in conjunction with being male advocates.

1:24:42 And they just happen to peddle conservative, misogynistic, and every once in a while homophobic rhetoric and solutions to the issues that black people face. And I'm just saying to anybody, we can't have a, we can't be pro-black if you are. How do you, how are you pro-black and not married? This is my issue with a lot of the pro-black movement, especially a lot of pro-black women. I need to see your husband. Once again, that's Kevin. So the Black Manosphere, this was that space when you weren't allowed to go be on black Twitter and you had different interviews, differing points of view.

1:25:24 It's the counterweight, I think you used that word before, to black Twitter. Because black Twitter is basically ran by black women in the LGBT community and men that adhere to those ways of thinking. So if you had any semblance of respect for the patriarchy, oh no, you were outcasted. Or if you weren't cool enough, because that's where the convergence of, and I don't use this word in the way it's used, but nerds, right? You know, people that grew up reading comic books,

1:26:07 those kind of things that were seen not as cool, right? Now you've seen these guys actually become successful and they look for each other and they found each other in these channels and these comment sections. And they created their own lane of media, to be honest with you. Right. And this is what Kevin was a recognized leader of, I guess. He was. And he technically was a hired hand in the Manosphere.

1:26:47 Because, like I said, his track on YouTube was cologne videos and style videos. But, you know, they saw that he could, you know, saying some of the leadership in the Manosphere saw that he could be, you know, a valuable asset. And, you know, he started representing the Manosphere and he became the king of it. I mean, the black manosphere, I'm talking about the whole, Kevin Samuels probably was the king of the manosphere. Who else were leaders or leaders in the manosphere? I mean, you got your obsidians, you got your old shape dude Jacksons. These are guys that kind of set the tone. I mean, and it's so many different variations.

1:27:26 I mean, you have it, it's what, like I said, it's a spectrum. You have guys that don't, it's in the manosphere that don't agree with Kevin Samuels. You got guys that are that are more red-pilled than Kevin Samuels, you know, and say, you know, that, and it's like I said, it's a spectrum. But yeah, I mean, I want to highlight this to say this, this was formed by the outcast of what, you know, saying black male image was supposed to be. And they formed their own lane of media. And I've been, I've walked those Manosphere roles. I've been on some of those panels.

1:28:08 You know what I'm saying? I don't, you know, I don't do groups of any kind. But I could see where they had points and I could see I could be have critiques of it. But you still got to respect anytime someone goes out and create their own lane. Now, but this is a bit like men go their own way, like this movement. This was the black men you're going to see because that they couldn't really go the MGTOW route because of some of the political and racial differences. So, this was them forming their own thing, even separate up. Because when you say manosphere, that's typically either the white manosphere or just the manosphere in general.

1:28:49 And that's why they had to put the black in front of it to say, No, this is because it has racial, no, because it has some racial differences. Because when you get to politics, you know, maybe a good portion of MGTOW might not agree with some of the things that black men seek for politics. So, that's why you have the divergence. But a lot of the ideology is the same: that the family court is a big problem, that marriage is a bad deal, that women's expectations of men are highly overinflated, those kind of things. And I'm doing this, I'm doing this show to seek first to understand, then to be understood.

1:29:28 Because we're going somewhere with this, but we got to lay out where both sides are coming from. You have the third wave feminist, and then you have the manosphere, and you got them throwing lobbying insults and things back and forth to each other when they really should be with each other. Yes, this is more like a civil war that's being created here than anything. Yes, that's the whole goal of it. That's by the lizard people. Seriously, I mean, like I said, all roles lead to depopulation for me. So, I guess I'm going to get into 16. The insecurities and frustrations for black men that attract them to the manosphere is pretty much the same as their white counterparts, except that those frustrations, the financial insecurity, the ugly breaks up the divorces, child custody battles, etc., are all made a bit more complicated by structural racism.

1:30:17 And along with that, because of structural racism, they also are dealing with high death rates, lower access to health care, and barriers to a lot of the ways that the manosphere preaches for seeking self-help. Historically, the nature of patriarchy has mostly excluded black men in a traditional sense. Black men as a whole have never fully encapsulated the patriarchal image of father knows best, doting wife, two kids, and a dog. Even those black men that did have those things were always still barred from the full essence of what that framework was supposed to offer in terms of respect and stability. You can be black and be the man of the house and the man in your neighborhood, but you were still going to be called boy when the police came around.

1:30:59 Plenty of black men between the 1920s and the 1960s contributed to traditional male-centered communities and played roles as patriarchs in them only for them to be burned down by white terrorist mobs. However, I would argue that more typically the black manosphere grows out of conservative pro-black movements. That's where your politics gets. Yes, yeah, yeah, of course. Yeah. And just to go back to Luke for a minute, Luke is buddying up with Marco Rubio down in Florida. Oh, he's doing the right thing. You see, because no, he's got the Brown brother bringing it. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Luke's got it on.

1:31:42 They're starting to see that Republicans are ready to start opening the checkbooks and start to bring in some of these voices of black men directly because they're finally figuring out, and I don't know if they figured it out, but they're starting to realize the oranges were the juices work to squeeze on pursuing the black male vote. And if nothing more, listen to what Luke said. Luke said, give me five reasons why you should vote. Not vote Democratically, not vote Republican, but just not vote. Because that's an easy

1:32:21 position to take. To say, you know what? We shouldn't even vote. Okay, so the monkey coming out of the sleeve, as we would say in the old country, ultimately, everyone's being controlled and being driven towards one thing, and that is the correct political choice. What do you mean by correct political choice? Democrat, of course. Anything but conservative, Republican, or family values, it all has to be progressive. It has to be blue. Yes. It has to be blue. It's just putting it in the middle.

1:33:00 The funny thing is, is that if you look at Trump and what they call Trumpism, what we would call 45 savagism was actually, I think Republicans don't even, the Republican Party doesn't seem to think about black men or women for that reason in any. They don't, they've never thought it through. to control any population that way specifically, but because of the nature of masculinity,

1:33:38 which is inherent to Trump and other political leaders like him, not many like him, but that's the danger is that it awakens something deep inside men, certainly, that gives them a purpose and a feeling of, yeah, oh, heck yeah. And I think that's the problem, right? That's what is trying to be combated here. We have to steer him away from that at all costs. What Donald Trump, and I've said this since the first show, when he uttered those words, what do you have to lose? Yeah. That was a bell that can't be unrung because that's the same thing Luke is saying, the same person that brought you Kamala Harris and certified her blackness.

1:34:20 Now in 2022 is saying, what do we have to lose? What have they, what we have we gained? And if you can reach a political pundit like Luke that can be, you know, saying utilized, you know, to validate a person's blackness, if that can be, you can move that piece in the chessboard. Right. Now we got a game. Yeah, hence the Rubio connection, you mean? Right. And hence the whoever, I mean, look at what's going on over at Blaze. I mean, you had Jason Whitlock do a two episode show on Kevin Samuels and the black man at sphere. You hear things like inclusive nationalism. Oh, I see.

1:35:05 Make no mistake. And I love me some J-Lock 100. Nothing wrong with that, but he is totally his whole setup is political. I mean, the Blaze, it's very close to political parties, in my opinion. He's getting the platform he wants. He's being promoted. I think he still has to stay in a certain lane in that current position. But he is, in fact, being used. He's getting a message out that he stands behind, but he's definitely being used for political means. And I wouldn't even say being used because he negotiated the deal knowing going in that he found.

1:35:46 And the reason why I want to be the clear is he's not autonomous. Exactly. He has the appearance of autonomous, but when you look down the bottom of that screen, you still see the Blaze logo. And that means you had to stay within outside these political confines, like never saying anything about reparations. It's certain things you can't mention, right? Certain guests you can't have on. But the fact that he sat down and negotiated with Glenn Beck to say, hey, I got to be able to talk about these certain topics. You wouldn't be able to talk about that maybe on a Fox or another show.

1:36:28 So I don't want to be careful when you say used because he's conscious of it's a bartering. And this is the thing, like I said, this is the maturation of black men and their political power. Before, it was like, let's do what's best for black people. But we saw for what, the last six years, eight, ten years, that black women have been pulling away. And I want to make it clear. The political class of black women have been pulling away and trying to form their own demographic. So black men are saying, oh, well, what's good for the goose is good for the gander. Let's start making our own deals.

1:37:08 Right. What's best for the quote-unquote our own demographic. So I'm just want to lay that all out. Whereas, of course, neither side can really have the power if they don't work together, men and women together. That to me is the model that works best. And what's even more evident is that in black politics, because the black block is only valuable as a block. You see what I'm saying? The Democrat, the women have to deliver the whole block. You see what I'm saying? It's like, come by themselves is no good. You got to bring the men. They got to bring the men. You got to bring the men with you. They got to get that 80, 90% turnout to win an election.

1:37:50 And I've known I was going to, but I'm showing now, this is where the manosphere, black manosphere, Kevin Samuels, you know, what Whitlock is doing, what, you know, what Luke is doing, you know, what DeSantis is doing for men down in Florida. You saw that, which helps a lot of black men. You're going to start seeing family court. I think Kanye plays a factor in this and the custody battle that he's making very public. Keep an eye on that. Yeah. Well, that's a men's right tactic. And that's men's right tactics. And that's men's rights across the spectrum. Yes. I mean, that's. that has that's that's goes way beyond skin color and everything. It's uh yeah, in in divorce court, family court, men typically just set up to lose, right?

1:38:37 And I think that's why I said it's why Kanye is planning out publicly because you got to remember what's he what is he doing in 2024? You see what I'm saying? Like, Kanye just don't do stuff just to do it. I mean, 2020 was like a test run. Like, what does that leave him in 2024? It sets him up nicely to, hey, family court is a big problem. I went through the, I got a billion dollars, I still went through this. Yeah, what's a guy with uh, you know, makes $15 an hour gonna do? So, um, I guess we can go ahead and wrap up with a third clip of the minister. As I alluded to in previous videos, older generations of black people who faced a more intense and overtly hostile world of racism and also bore witness to really ugly images and experiences of crime and violence from their own people in black neighborhoods were very susceptible to a line of thinking that said that black people's biggest problems was themselves.

1:39:28 And that if we just rejected the uglier and negative aspects of black life and culture and focus more into mimicking what we saw from whiteness, that we would be better off as a people. And to be fair, this isn't wholly untrue. Being closer to whiteness has always been good for people of color. So lighter-skinned black people with certain types of hair or phenotypical features or even names are historically much more likely to fare better in America under white supremacy. But as I alluded to in the Edgelord video and other videos, crime and criminality is socially determined by poverty and lack and environment and structural barriers. And the ability of a handful of black folks to effectively maneuver white supremacy using what we call respectability politics is not a real solution to the issues that black people face.

1:40:14 The core factor to crime in black communities is how these communities are designed and police, not how the people behave or wear their hair or wear their pants. And that's that surface, very surface hair pants kind of thing. What he should have been more folks, this is my critique of what he was talking about, is the design of the community. And the design of the community is designed to family. And the design of family flaw is no man. Yeah, it's not a family. It's not a family. And that was by design. That was absolutely by design. And you don't even hear the term broken home anymore. You know, that used to be a term. Oh, yeah. He comes from a broken home. He needs a little bit of extra patience.

1:40:58 Right. So now it's just like, oh, that's normal. Which, like I said, we're all figuring it out. You know what I'm saying? We've all, nobody knew where this gender thing was going. I've seen a lot of marriages, you know, dissolve out of trivial situations that the media hyped up to be big things. You know, for every reason, I mean, you remember maybe 10, 15 years ago, every reason was a reason to get a divorce. Hey, Mo, this is my third marriage. So, I mean, you're preaching to the choir here. No, I mean, but the media, the media made it a point, like, oh, you're not happy?

1:41:36 Be happy. You know, that kind of thing. It's like, uh, oh, but I saw this happen to my parents with books and television shows. And I mean, once All in the Family went away for white people, it was all about, it was over. There was, there was, I don't know how many, well, let's see, no, that's not true. Family ties, you know, that's the kind of culture that shows a family in a positive light. But, you know, the days of Little House on the Prairie are long gone. All of that hurt across the board. But, you know, what color is my parachute? Books like this. There was a, I think there was, it's a lot of influence from outside.

1:42:20 A lot of and quite honestly, loss of faith, loss of church. These are things that I think stimulate family. And that's actually where Naomi Wolf has come around to as well. It's like, we got a problem here. And the ideals. Because women, not only women are manipulated by ideals, everybody's been deployed by ideals. And it's this thing about trophy wives. And I mean, like, I mean, that goes cuts both ways. But it's also all media creations, trophy wives, wives and girlfriends of soccer players, football players. And just as Naomi Wolf said, now, you know, going on 30 years ago or 20, 25 years ago.

1:43:03 It's all media based. And what you get is what you will consume, whether it's true or not. This is thrown in your face every single day. For months, we've been so concerned about Ukraine. Oh, my goodness. But the United States is actively fighting. fighting wars in like four other countries where people are dying and it's probably more our doing than anything. None of that is portrayed, so therefore it doesn't exist. And if it does exist, they want to demonize it. Correct. And this is where the black manosphere got, I saw the handwriting on the wall.

1:43:43 This is before Kevin Samuels passed. I start seeing all the guys, because I follow most of the guys and saying to keep a track on the content they make. And I start seeing them step right. Is it time to go? Is the end of the manosphere near? I'm stepping away from the manosphere. They start feeling one guy, MTR mediocre tutorials and reviews, he started feeling the pressure on the economic side of it. Where he had did a video with Cambius Samuels and one of his advertisers pulled out on him. And then everybody started dashing away from the manosphere after that, you know, and using that terminology.

1:44:24 And I started, I thought, hold on, what's going on here? So I started doing a quick Google search and I see L Magazine. They write an article. My brush with the black manosphere. The brush, my brush, yeah, right. After an ill-fated Zoom day, I wandered down an online rabbit hole into the hyper-masculine space for red pill black men. And this is on January 25th. So, yeah, you know what that when you start getting articles like this, you start becoming a T group. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, yeah. And that's why I said they started changing the terminology from disinformation to misinformation to malinformation, which takes us back to number 17A, and this is from show 80.

1:45:15 If you were to dive into the dark web, you'd find a lot of information you couldn't find with, say, just a simple Google search. And a lot of what's down there is simply false information. In recent years, that false information has made its way to mainstream platforms. Now, a simple Google search will show you ideas, thoughts, and movements previously hidden away from the dark corners of the internet to protect yourself against what's false and harmful. You need to understand how that information comes to exist in the first place and how it comes across your social media feeds. Now, there are three different types of content as identified by FirstDraft. That is an organization fighting to bring you truth on what you read and watch.

1:45:55 Disinformation, misinformation, and malinformation. Collectively, these three groups are known as information disorder. Let's start with the first. Disinformation is intentionally false. It's designed to cause harm. That's often backed by motivations to make money, to have political influence, or cause trouble just for the sake of it. The second, misinformation. That's also false content, but the person sharing it doesn't realize it's false or misleading. This is driven by socio-psychological factors. These people want to feel connected to their tribe, whether that's the same political party, activists for climate change, or those that belong to a certain religion, race, or ethnic group.

1:46:37 Finally, malinformation. This is genuine information shared with the intent to cause harm. An example is when Russian hackers hack the Democratic National Committee and Hillary Clinton's campaigns and emails. They leak certain details just to damage reputations. So before you hit or share or retweet, stop and ask yourself how that information came to exist and whether it's at all credible. I love that this is misinformation by itself. That's the best part. So meta. So meta. Love that. So malinformation. This is the one we need to keep our eye on.

1:47:13 Because if it's true, even if it's true, if you're saying from a place of hurt or to cause hurt, then it's malinformation. So this is where the black, this is where Kevin Samuels, where the black manosphere, even the manosphere in general, they'll use certain facts like, you know, geriatric pregnancy. They'll weaponize that. They'll weaponize. Because I'm just being honest here. One of the other things is single mothers, they'll weaponize that. As far as having children by another guy on other guys, multiple guys, they'll weaponize that.

1:47:59 And then the one they love the most, and you heard even DL say it, leftover women. So have you heard this term before? No. No, but I can imagine what it means. Okay, so just this is talking about in China, because this is. a global phenomenon. This is not just this is not just domestic, but this is a good uh explanation for what leftover women are. Have you ever been called a leftover woman? Yeah, sometimes. Yeah, no matter how excellent you are, how capable you are, in the larger society's mind, you're not as good as a man.

1:48:41 My name is Wei Ting Ting. I'm one of the feminists who get arrested before the International Women's Day. We're in China, where women are experiencing unprecedented financial freedom. And since Mao founded the People's Republic of China in 1949, have enjoyed equal rights to men. Well, at least on paper, up until the communist revolution, women were pretty much considered property and their feet were tied. Then, Mao, when breaking the norms of social class and gender, declared that women carry half the sky, and gender equality was written into the Constitution.

1:49:20 I would always admit that I'm a beneficiary of the socialist woman's liberation. Remember how American women were empowered to join the workforce in the 1940s when the men left for war and then sent back to the kitchen in the 50s when they returned. Back in the days of Mao, there wasn't enough manpower to build the new China. So, women joining the workforce were celebrated as iron girls. These days, however, feminists are being detained. And for almost a decade, unmarried women older than 27 have been called the derogatory term Shongyu, which means leftover women.

1:49:58 It's really interesting. You know, China has everything they say is they've been the opposite of depopulation. They've been desperately trying to repopulate after the incredibly stupid one-child policy. I think it's, I think they're now trying to force everyone to have three and they can't make it happen. Why? Because they don't have no baby-making machines. That's right. That's the crazy thing about the left, and what I'm about is women. As I call women, time machines because like you deposit your genetic material in there and they move it forward through time to the next generation.

1:50:39 Oh, my goodness. Cancel cannon aimed at you, Mo Fax. No, I'm not. You can't talk like that. That's what gets you canceled the fastest. Don't you be praising anything high like that? No, no, no. They're time machines, bro. I mean, like, hey, we gotta understand. But that's the problem. And the irony of it is in China, women, men outnumber women significantly due to the one-child policy. So most of the families kept the male child. And they even have leftover women. So you have this abundance of men. This minority of women, even still over there, if you're older than 27, you looked at as leftover women.

1:51:23 Now, I can give context to that because it's the mentality that the men look at in the women. Because I had co-workers, former co-workers that were from China. And you know, me, I'm going to ask. And the women looked at if you cook, that was regressive. You know, that was a negative thing. If you don't, it was, they were very masculine in their thinking. And that was the problem with the clash with the men. It was like, I don't want to marry a dude. No, I'm just saying. I mean, that was the mentality of it. So that's how you get the leftover women there. Here, it's a little different because you have more

1:52:10 women per capita than in China. But yet, still, for whatever reason, women are looked at as by the manosphere as leftovers because either, like I said, they're older and or the mentality they have as far with feminism or either they have children by another man or whatever. That's seen as undesirable. So this is that the machine pushing out expectations on the men now. Oh, you can't be a stepdad. You know, that kind of thing. Which, let me make it clear how I view about being stepdad. I think men should be open to marrying women that have children, but I don't think there should ever be stepdads.

1:52:55 I know you're going to ask me what the hell you mean, Moco, so go ahead and ask me what I mean. Yeah, Mo, what the hell do you mean? What I mean by that is, if I'm willing to marry you, you should be able to make me a full parent of your children. I'm gonna be a stepdad. Stepdad sucks. I mean, especially when you're talking about with younger children. This is my opinion. Like I said, everything I'm saying in this show is advice I would give to my son. So you're getting the 100, you know, saying unvarnished truth here. And the reason I'm saying that is if he wanted to marry a woman with a child, I would say you need to get full custody of that child.

1:53:36 Because nobody wants to go into that situation being so now you, but now you basically invoke the family court system to screw a fellow man out of visitation or co-parenthood. Maybe that's something that he wants because you put a veto down on it. Because that's how that would get played out. That would go straight to family court. And then it's kind of twisted that way. I understand. I understand what you're saying. That would make you want to seek out a woman that maybe the guy wasn't in the picture. Or let's start repeating Italian families. If you're saying, if it's not that big of a deal, why y'all split up once y'all get back together?

1:54:18 You see what I'm saying? But if you're going to marry a woman with a child, I just think, just speaking from a man's sense, nobody wants to be able to pay for the college, pay for the, I'm saying, pay for everything, and then you're not my dad. Shut up. You know what I'm saying? It's like. Okay, no, yes, I understand. Okay. I mean, I have stepdaughters, but they came into my life and they were already in college and I didn't pay for it. Now, ever since then, ever since then, I have all kinds of privileges of helping out. And as is Tina with my daughter. It's a little different for you guys. I'm talking about. Because what I would like to see is it's a lot of great guys out here that would make great fathers.

1:55:03 And you have a lot of women out here where the guy may not be in the picture or they just, whatever reason. I want to, like I said, I'm pro-family, but I would advise that guy, hey, get you a good deal. It's all about the deal. I mean, this is where, hey, it's transactional. If you want to be with that woman, she wants you to be raise her son as your own, get it on paper. Get legal rights, get custody. Because if you're going to love that kid, you know what I'm saying? You don't want to have any barriers that can get thrown up in your face later. That's just my opinion. I appreciate it. I appreciate your opinion. And I can't really put myself in that situation because I've never been in that situation.

1:55:46 Right. Because I've seen a lot of guys get attached to kids. Only for the to be taken away. Right. Or get you, you know, that's not your child. Right. Don't talk to my child that way. So this is my advice to my son. It is interesting how when the dog does something that is not bad, it's always my dog. It's very interesting how that works. Meanwhile, oh, you're doing Mo tonight? Well, I just, I'm just going to sit with my dog. Oh, okay. Welcome to my club. That's the first block. Hopefully, like I said, laid out some of the

1:56:26 logistics in the gender war. It is real. I don't think it's beneficial in any way. So that's why I'm making this show. Hopefully, we're saying we could get people to lay down arms and have a peace treaty, but we got to thank some people first. First, the white man and the black man have to be able to sit down at the same table. The white man has to feel free to speak his mind without hurting the feelings of that Negro. And the so-called Negro has to feel free to speak his mind without hurting the feelings of the white man. Then they can bring the issues that are under the rug out on top of the table and take an intelligent approach to get the problem solved. That's the only way that they'll ever do it. Yeah, it turns out we can discuss gender wars.

1:57:07 And actually, black and white helps in that too. It helps us, you know, kind of cut through all the pieces because there's a lot of puppet masters pulling everybody's strings. Yes, there is. This is a value for value podcast. Twice or maybe three times in this first bit that we've been talking, we've discussed how none of this works with advertising. In fact, a lot of it is based on advertising. And this entire conversation is not possible in the traditional media format. That's why we are doing a podcast. First of all, it's value for value, meaning we're not going to be dependent on corporate advertisers who will not touch us with a 10-foot pole.

1:57:48 I mean, shoot, they didn't even want to advertise on Barack Obama and Bruce Springsteen podcasts, and that thing sucked. They didn't even touch any good topics, and they had to close down the show. So we just want to receive value equal to the value that you. the listener, the producer, has received from the work that we've presented out. This is episode 82. So a lot of work has gone into this. I shudder to even think about how many hours of work has gone into this, not just the recording, but all the preparation. So we'd love to thank what we call our producers, executive producers, associate executive producers in this first block, who have actually done one of the three T's: the time, the talent, the treasure.

1:58:30 Lots of people helping out with time and talent, propagating, letting people know about the show, showing up on the YouTube lives, doing all kinds of stuff, which is part of the fax machine that is whirring in the background. And at this moment, we're going to thank the executive producers who really understood what we talked about on the last show: that, hey, you need to step it up. If we need everybody at least providing some value if we can continue with this. And a lot of people heard that call loud and clear, and we appreciate it. Harvey Cody is right off the top.

1:59:08 And I guess we're just going to bestow the honor upon him. Paula, Shot Carla, 20 inch blades on him, Paula. $555.55. We got to come up with a name for that donation. It's not what? 5x5. Ah, yes, of course. 5x5. Perfect. And he says, MoFax, please. That's all he says. That's the kind of note we love. Harvey, thank you so much. It's really appreciated. Following close behind, Jimmy James, who says, Mo, I wish you all the best and hope this helps. It's not for me, but God, as all I own is his anyway.

1:59:46 Adam, I'm so excited to hear that you are seeing his light. And from my experience, it's the most fulfilling and greatest journey I ever undertook trying to understand his word and plan for me, which I still seem to be figuring out, but that's okay. May you both continue to be blessed and bear good fruit. Mo Karma for all. Thank you, man. That's very nice. Absolutely. You've got Mo Karma. I mentioned that once on the show at the end of three and a half hours, a lot of people listened to the whole show, apparently. Yeah. A lot of people said, oh, it's nice to hear what you're talking about there. Cape and I, even I took pride in that. It's true. Cape $400.33.

2:00:30 And Cape says, hey, sad puppy donation. Yeah, this is when we put out the call. We typically in the value for value world call that the sad puppy. It's like, hey, you know, this puppy is sad. If you don't help, the puppy's going to the pound. So he wants to be deadbeated right away. Congratulations. You're no longer a deadbeat. Now he also says that he's been streaming his precious Satoshis through Fountain, the Fountain app, which he will continue to do. We'll be thanking some of our booster grammars later on. As an incredibly healthy 31-year-old, he writes, I was conveniently handed the option of being vaccinated in order to keep my job.

2:01:11 Fortunately, and to my own disgust for not following in a similar path as yourself, I applied for and received an exception. But I know that I'll be one of the first on the chopping block for the next go-around, as I know this is nowhere being over. I'm no longer allowed into the office and have been working remotely. While my safe and effective teammates are allowed to go in as they please, ironically, I'm one of the best employees on my team, have received a promotion and generous pay bump in the time in that timeframe, somewhat keeping up with the real inflation rate. Because of this, I feel obligated to send you this donation. I found your show through No Agenda and No Agenda through Tales from the Crypt.

2:01:49 Oh, Marty Bent, man. Nice. I can't begin to explain the amount of value and entertainment I get from you and Adam working through these complex topics together. But more importantly, thank you for standing up for what you believe is right in a world where morals and first principles are becoming non-existent and for showing that even when there seems there's no hope, opting out is still a choice as long as you're willing to fight for it. I'm sure that once your kids are old enough to understand your decision, that will be one of the greatest life lessons you could give them. Although I haven't left my tyrannical company yet, my number one priority right now has been finding a way to gain financial sovereignty or at least find a company that doesn't want to shove a needle in my arm. Yes, indeed, Cape. And this is based upon

2:02:34 your path that you took, Mo, and you definitely chose a path of freedom and being a free sovereign man, which is beautiful to see. Feels great. Mark wants a biscuit on my birthday, and he says you're going to need a Bitcoin from Reverend Manning. They always give me a biscuit on my birthday. They're saying that all hell is going to break loose and you're going to need a Bitcoin. Ain't that the truth? Jason Istra, I think, 366.32. Exceptional work, been hooked for a while now, so I need to be de-deadbeated. Congratulations. You're no longer a deadbeat.

2:03:15 And follows it with this is just my cash back earned for the year so far. That's a great way. When you get like that free money, like that cashback money, think of Mo Fox. Kathleen Anderson, my favorite number, 333.33. Mo and Adam, thank you, Kathleen says. This is my first donation, long overdue. I started listening around episode 56, then went back and listened to all the episodes. I'm amazed at the information and enlightenment I've received. I have a question. With all the deceit, lies, and manipulation, when does it end? Well, the podcast will be over. A lot of podcasts would end if it ended. Where it ends is when you stop letting me manipulate you. That's where it ends.

2:04:00 And we're going to de-deadbeat you for that. Congratulations. You're no longer a deadbeat. Dave Cardegna. Hold on a second. Here we go. I got this one finally. Dave Cardegna sends 223.09. He's cousin Vito for those in the know. Interesting donation amount. He says he'd like some GBG and Wusa Karma, please. We have a Wusa. You've got Mo Kong.

2:04:39 Steven Page, $150 producer credits. Kratom Batch Kitchen done with the Watering Berry's basement. And on the next job assignment, wanted to send donation last week. This is code. But was informed that the Gavel Pitts are planning to strike. Back to work today. Not sure if they will. Hope they'll settle. Need a little Mo Karma to keep working to keep the voodoo that you do and Adam do so well. Okay, we got the message. Hope everything works out. You've got Mo Kong. A 123.45 donation from Philip Balu. And he just says value. Thank you. That's exactly what we want. That's the value you assign. We really appreciate it.

2:05:19 Philip B. Brown, a row of sticks, 111.11. And he gives us a hearty ham radio 73s. KI5 November Tango Yankee. Thank you very much. 73s. That's a ham speak. Ham stuff. Ryan Nadeau, $100.21. A donation, he says, I don't want to be a deadbeat anymore. Well, you came to the right place. Congratulations. You're no longer a deadbeat. Bonnie Ray, we're still the executive producerships here with $100. I appreciate the knowledge. Thank you, Bonnie says. Guisepe Conte, $100. Love the show. Thanks, Mo and Adam. Longtime Noah Gender listener.

2:06:03 Been enjoying Mo Facts from the beginning and could not continue without donating. Please D-Deadbeat me. Congratulations. You're no longer a deadbeat. I think this is the most D-Deadbeatings we've had in any show. Man, this is like Family Court. I'm like, Friday. And a Mo Karma as well. Here we go, Joseph. Mo Karma. We got $100 from Mr. Unnecessary and Nadizi for episode 82. Peace, Mo and Adam. Started listening around the Cosby episode. Hit my wife upside the head a few shows later, in true Cosby fashion. A D-Deadbeating is an order for both of us.

2:06:44 Well, I hope you don't mind sharing. Here you go. Congratulations. You're no longer a deadbeat. Big thanks for what you do. Cause in October of last year, petroleum-based shenanigans threw me like a whirlwind, but I say no. No Vaseline. We back up. I think that's something PayPal's throwing this question. PayPal is doing something weird. Yeah. Yeah, they're throwing some quote, isn't there? Yeah, I'm sorry. PayPal threw something to No Vaseline. We're back on our feet and had to return a fraction of the value you guys have provided in these incredibly gangster times.

2:07:23 This is the MF Doom of Podcast. Excellent production, game-changing content, and just different. Y'all keep killing it. Thank you very much, Mr. Unnecessary. Here's what I would recommend. We have so many people D-deadbeating themselves. Sometimes you have to call someone out as a deadbeat if you know that they're listening and they haven't provided any value back. It's always fun to try. Miguel Lopez, our last executive producer, he says episode 81. 81 put me over the top. Had to donate for that one. Keep up the great work. God bless. Then our associate executive producers, Aaron Sneed. Now we have two donations from him, totaling $85.

2:08:07 Family and community building, he says. Thank you very much for the Fax fan. Jennifer Dorney, $81. Mo, in honor of episode 81 and the year of my birth. I so look forward to these shows. You masterfully weave these rabbit holes together. So much love to you, Adam, and the whole Facts family. Please keep shining the light in the dark places. I do need some Mo Karma, please. Also, is there a jingle for financial freedom, Karma? We could all use that in this clown show world we are living in. I don't know if we have a financial. We do. Yeah, we do. Well, you know what? We can always just combine it with. So she needed a D-Dead beating as well.

2:08:50 No, just the Mo Karma. We'll do it. Here, we'll try it like this. Here's your financial freedom. That's ended all hell. It's going to break loose. And you're going to need a Bitcoin. You've got. There you go. Mo Karma. That's what I consider to be financial freedom. Donald Francis, $75. Thank you for that. Donald Edwin Torres, $60. And he wants the GBG jingle. We got the jiggle. We have a dollar. Robert Stager, two donations from him. Value for value, totaling $50. Thank you very much. Caroline Alexander, $50. Your invaluable insights. Thank you for everything you do.

2:09:31 Marcus Hazard, let's not forget, Marcus says, that you can't just send money one time to not be a deadbeat. A regular court-ordered once-a-month payment is probably a solution. See, this is the man who gets it. Dee Deadbeat Me. Yeah, D-Deadbeat Me again. All right. Congratulations. You're no longer a deadbeat. He says, I couldn't afford to pay a fax support payment these last few months because I purchased fax support. I purchased a ring. Regardless, I expect visitation, so I request somebody who isn't me to start up to start up a meetup in Northern Virginia. Yes. Mo, you don't have to show. Like Adam, I'd like to keep my imaginary image of you in my mind.

2:10:16 You look like my best friend's dad. I got to tell you, it's odd that way. It's like, yeah, you know, sometimes, you know, I have to meet you because I got to hug you one of these days. Maybe just do it blindfolded. That should work fine too. Oops, lost my place here. Here we go. So yes, in my mind, give me a, oh, phone chirp if that's not too much trouble. Yes. I'd like yak karma because yaks are cool. Make blacks like yaks. And then he says, what's that? I said we do like cognac.

2:10:57 Is that true? That's another name for Kanyak. Oh, I got you. You've got. Karma. Hey, man, Marcus, thank you so much. That's really appreciated. Mike Salmon, $50. Mo and Adam, another great episode. Dear Mama just came on my playlist. I immediately thought of the show. Do you think this song may have been F you to Will from Tupac because Tupac's mother showed him the love that Will so desired? That may be a Space Jam reach. I like it. I'll go with it. I like it. I like it. And that is from Sir 10 Lee Stoned. Susan Hinkle, as we move down towards the end of our executive and associate executive producers, $50.

2:11:44 Thanks for all you do. Love and blessings to you and yours from Sue. And Yemi Fawahinimi. Fawahinimi. Fawahinimi says, thanks for the great podcast. $50 as well. We'll be thanking more of our producers in our second segment. I would like to just thank a couple of the people who boost a gram because we've got a lot of people signing up for Podcasting 2.0. All you got to do is go to newpodcastops.com. And if you've got a Cash App, Cash App is a great way to put some Bitcoin into your podcast 2.0 wallet so that you can be streaming real-time payments at the amount you desire to your favorite podcast.

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2:14:29 We try. We try. The final boost here from Clued 1611. I'm back to ask a philosophical question. Do you think that Patrice O'Neill's Black Phillip was the black community's version of Jordan Peterson? As a white guy who needs to get his act together in the area of manhood, I feel like I've been getting the Cherry Robotus lessons from Jordan Peterson, but the buckwheat version from Patrice O'Neill. What do you think? It's funny. Funny that he brings up Patrice O'Neill because he's one of the OGs of the Manosphere type thinking. So, yeah, there is some validity to his statement. Okay.

2:15:12 Patrice O'Neill is an OG of the Manosphere type thinking. And then we have several other boosts with no names or no boostograms. Remember, if you want to send us a note, we'll be happy to read it. Just long press that boost button, brings up the booster gram and type away to your heart's content. And thank you all very much for supporting not just the show, supporting the work, but also supporting the future of podcasting, independent podcasting, because after they come for you to deplatform you from Spotify and Apple, they come for your money. So that's what we are trying to keep censorship resistant and completely in ownership of all of us as the community.

2:15:56 If you'd like to learn more about MoFax with Adam Curry, you can go to mofax.com. We have a donation page. You can go directly to that at mofundme.com. And again, thank you all very much for supporting with your time, talent, and treasure episode 82 of MoFax with Adam Curry. We're glad that everybody supported us saying for this episode and previous episode of the show. So now I want to get more into what is her name? Naomi was talking about the corporate funding. And I, in my truck, that I've been driving, I don't have Bluetooth.

2:16:36 So I've had to listen to the radio. And it is some of the most mind-numbing mind control that you ever want to hear. To the point I had called my man Young Grunt one day, and I just had to vent to him. I'm like, I've been indoctrinated. You know, so I want to give an example of what they're playing on the radio. Now, what station is this that you're listening to? This is between either 93.9 or 95.5, both out of Washington, D.C. And they go in and out. So I can sometimes even get the Howard radio station as well, the campus radio.

2:17:16 But you live out in the sticks, don't you? It's like I can barely get DC on the wireless, Martha. Yeah, man, I had to come out with things make sense. But this is, I found out about this podcast by one of the hosts on one of the radio shows, The Morning Hustle. And that's hosted by L'Oreal. And she co-hosts with Eva Marcel. That's the top model winner. She now works with. Ricky Smiley on the Ricky Smiley Morning Show. So they have a podcast together. So it's amazing how much indoctrination goes across the radio. So they play segments from this episode of their podcast on the radio.

2:18:01 Yeah, this is where we're at. Like podcast is taking over radio. So this one was called, the episode was called Single Black Females. And the first clip I'm going to play is this shows that they're corporate funded by Macy's. So just to let people know where the money's coming from. See how we undress this whole entire mess on the Undressing Run podcast brought to you by Macy's. You know what? I got to give a little shout out to Macy's. You know, I love Macy's. They're always playing up. Gal Macy's. They are always involved in what we care about in the community. And it is that time of the year again, everybody. Yes, it is. It's Kwanzaa. So join Macy's. Hold on, go, wait, wait. Hold it, step up. Go back. Not that community.

2:18:45 Go back a little bit. I'm sorry. I was like, it's Kwanzaa. No, I was wrong. The year again, everybody. Oh, wait. No, I know what it is. I know. It is that time of the year again, everybody. Yes, it is Pride. So join Macy's this Pride Month at the Trevor Project National Pride partner for the fourth year in a row. They have raised over $3.4 million to help more than 53,000 LGBTQ young people in crisis. That is amazing. We have to help them continue their impact by rounding up your purchases in store.

2:19:22 It's super simple, easy as that. You can also donate online this month and to support suicide prevention services for the LGBTQ youth. And it's not really easy out here when you have people judging you. Wow. And you may not be, you may feel a little different than others because that's how people make you feel. You know, sometimes you make people feel down. And we want to make sure that that is not the case or at least we can hold it. How can we help again? Tell me. Okay. So you can shop LGBTQ owned brands and Pride merch from brands like Levi's, Calvin Klein, Coach.

2:20:04 It's a bunch of different varieties and more. You can find all of this out by going to Macy's.com forward slash purpose. I am so happy you played this. I knew you have phones. Because I am shorting Macy's stock immediately. I mean, they're really catering to a very, very small group at this point, but they're making it look really large. At least we know where these podcasters are coming from. Now you see what Naomi Wolf was talking about. Corporate funding. Yeah, there it is. There's your advertising right there. Naomi, we've moved the needle backwards.

2:20:46 And it's disguised as podcasting because when people hear the word podcasting, they think organic. It's kind of like when you see organic on a food box. Yes. You think grass fed. It's got to be healthy. Grass fed. So I had to play that. Now you heard them about being accepting, right? That we got to be accepting of people that's different. This is what they're saying about the community. Yes. Now, now we're going to 21 when they start talking about black men. Now, speaking of purpose, what's going on with these statistics? What are they saying in the research about these men out here? They're saying that there's not enough black males who fit the needs of black women.

2:21:27 Go figure. Now, on all black social society, recently they interviewed the host of Marry Me Now, Rebecca Lynn Pope, and asked her why black men are struggling in the relationship department. Well, she breaks down why it's harder for black women to get married, and it's because they're accelerating faster than black men. Now, based on research, women want to marry men on their level or higher financially and economically in status. Now, here's what she had to say: What do you think the challenge is that women are having, black women in particular, when it becomes to becoming a wife? Well, honestly, keeping it 100, there's not enough eligible black males who fit the needs of black women.

2:22:12 By the time you dissect the demographics of finances, sexual orientation, what you end up drilling down into, because black women tend to want to marry black men. Right, right. You're now dealing with people who are either financially not ready. A lot of black women, black women are starting businesses at 4.5 times the rate of any other population or ethnic group, sex. 4.5 times. times more than men, twice as more than white women. So black women are excelling. They're getting accelerated degrees, graduate degrees, doctorate degrees. They're starting businesses. Black women are running circles around men.

2:22:57 Oh, my goodness. So, because this group, black women, are given money hand over foot by political operatives and they are now poo-pooing black men because they're either poor, broke, or gay. Or gay. But we got to support the LGBT community. Hey, hey. Isn't that kind of working against what you're trying to do here? Well, wait a minute. Does this mean that eventually black women should be marrying trans black men? Trans black women that look like black men. Yes, that's yeah, trans men. Yeah, like Nacy Nash.

2:23:41 Yeah. Uh-huh. Wow. Yeah. That's that. That was like the new face of black love on the cover essence. Her and her and her trans partner. Oh, really? The point. Yeah, the point I want to make is this is this is what's being pumped out there. And notice, we're not talking about all black women here. They're talking about the PhDs, as Kevin Sam will call them. We've got our PhDs, we got our money. Now we're looking for our mates. Not realizing that deal you made with feminists kind of hurt. Kind of hurt black men. And now they look around and look for their counterparts and they can't find them.

2:24:25 And then they try to put it off on the men while all the time talking about systemic racism and how oppressive it is. And then say, black men, why can't you get your crap together? It's like, hold on. I thought it was a thing called systemic racism that was holding me down. Yeah, I understand that, but that doesn't affect me. We know that's the point. That was the wedge. That's the wedge issue. Let you get yours, give you your money. And I'm not taking away anything for anybody. But as you pointed out, you had doing 2020, During George Floyd, Pete George Floyd. They were writing checks to who? They weren't writing to black men, even though black men were the face of the oppression. No, I think everyone has seen Patrice Culler's multiple homes.

2:25:10 Exactly. So I'm just saying, like, this ain't, but they don't speak for all black women. But what they do is Macy is funding this. That's why I played that first clip. This is corporate media pumping these ideas into a trap audience. And I guess I don't have to point out that Macy does this also under duress from the environmental social governance, the ESG score. You better believe it. Yep. You better believe it. But also, Macy also benefits from this because unhappy women participate in retail therapy.

2:25:52 And let me buy that right dress so I'll look good to get the man. And why don't I look pretty enough? Let me go buy some more makeup and let me know that kind of thing. So it's a win-win for them. Macy's definitely very female-centric. Yes. Yeah. So I'm just saying, like, it's a win-win for them because what do you do when you're unhappy? You go shopping. Yeah. And where are you going to do that shopping at? You're going to do it at Macy's. Who brings you this podcast? Let's go and get to part three. Right. And it's also shown in research that women want to marry on their same level of financial and educational status. Yeah. So if you're a black woman making $150,000 a year with a master's degree, you tend to want to marry a black man on that same level or higher.

2:26:36 Wow. About to be brownie. Find me my white man, okay? Listen. Oh my goodness. There's so much in this. So I feel, sis, I think there are two things in this that stuck out to me. One of them is this idea. It kind of came up this morning on the morning show. We touched on it a little bit, but just the idea that we all out here trying to get married and have kids anyway. So let's start with that topic. The idea that if you meet a 32-year-old single black woman, it's because she has failed to find love versus she has prioritized herself and her career.

2:27:18 Not everyone is built for marriage and not everyone prioritizes marriage. It is very disgusting to assume that because I am a woman, I am out here looking for a man to do anything for me at least fill me up at best. provide and protect me. And so that is the first problem, I believe. Hmm. Yeah, that's that's a married woman talking. She's married. Yes. Wow. And she's pretty privileged because that's that's uh she's on the radio. No, that's uh, that's the that's the top model. Oh, oh, that's who's talking.

2:28:01 Oh, my goodness. Yeah. So, yeah, you know what I'm saying? Like, she's married, happily married with children and everything. But she goes through this whole spiel about, you know, it's who to say something's wrong with me for not wanting to be married, but that's kind of how media sells it to you. There's something's wrong with you. Men aren't saying something. That's why I never understood this: that the man is going to pick the woman that he wants. Why are they making it about all men? Even Nami Wolf says it's not men that are pushing this. Well, that's corporate. That's also Disney. Yes. That's also deeply embedded.

2:28:44 It's funny. Tina and I were talking about that the other night. And I'm fascinated by the history of money and how it came to be. And, you know, diamonds became a thing. And the history of diamonds as for marriage, engagement, et cetera, really started in the 1930s when gold was confiscated. You were no longer allowed to, you could have a little bit of gold, but it could, you know, you had everyone had to hand over their gold in the United States. And then so, you know, that was the main thing you would give as a dowry to your future wife, you know, either actual gold bars, coins, or gold, of course, that later turned into more traditional rings and other things.

2:29:29 And when that went away, this basically useless stone, which looks real pretty, it came into being. And they just made up this two months' salary, you know, to buy the perfect ring. And it's all corporate media and deception. The beers owns the whole system. They own all the mines. They set the price and now they're selling diamonds made in a lab. And that's the other thing. It's like, yeah, you can't even tell, really. I mean, you can tell if you do some kind of test on it. But yeah, a lot of this diamond lab created diamonds. So

2:30:10 my point is all of these things are tricks to get you to consume, but ultimately to control you, to control how you spend your money, how you think about life, and to keep you going down the funnel. As President George Bush said, after 9-11, please get out there and shop. And to keep you unhappy. That's the main goal. So you can make yourself happy with purchases. Right. Because you're trying to send me a guy that makes $75,000 a year can't make you happy. Why is that? Especially if you're making $150,000, you put those two together.

2:30:50 That's a nice living. I'd say. But no, they want to have it. And when I say they, this is not specific to black women, but this is black women that went to these schools and got around certain classes of women and there can go and meet their mates because they have these familiar relationships, right? Oh, they don't understand. It's a lot of arranged marriages going on when you get up to certain levels of power. It's not just, oh, I met him in a coffee bar somewhere. No, it's they've been going to the same country club for the last six years. And their parents, you know, put them in the same environment.

2:31:33 You know, you had the same thing in the Bluetooth as well with Jack and Jill and these things where, you know, that's why you don't really hear that from like the real Boulet because they have this infrastructure set up where their kids can meet each other and get in and, you know, date and end up marrying. Yeah. It's like it's debutante. All that kind of stuff. Yeah. Yeah. So so yeah, this is this is this is what you hear on the radio. And this is, and then to say, oh, yeah, I'm going to get me a white man. Could you imagine if a black man would have said that on the radio? Oh, yeah, I'm going to get me a white woman. Can you imagine if a white man said, I'm going to go meet a black woman? Oh, yeah. You know what?

2:32:14 You'd be popping on black Twitter right now. That's right. White boy Summer. You know what I'm saying? Like, hey, that was a real thing, too. Yeah, but that's the thing. It's like, no, no, no, no, no. You can't say that. You can't say any of that. Um, you know, what's what's interesting, and since we're just since it's you and me talking as we do, right, it would probably be even uh, I'm gonna see this. This may sound weird and come out wrong, but for sure I know that I have never been attracted to black women. I can see black women as beautiful, um, as stunning, as you know, as fascinating, uh,

2:32:59 all of the above. But I, you know, for me, it's like, no, I, and I think probably I'm guessing that you who could never imagine yourself with a, with a white woman, no, and that needs to be said sometimes, and it's not racist, it's not racist, it's just all he said, hey, red burys like red bury, blue blur is like blue, and if a red bird likes a blue bird, that's fine, but my issue with it is that they're pushing it as the solution. We heard Joe Biden say that, oh, what gives me hope is seeing all the mixed couples on commercials. Yeah, that's the replacement theory. Did he say that? I didn't even, I never even saw that. We covered it on the show. There've been so many shows, but yeah, he said that. My mind is mush.

2:33:44 Yeah, when he was talking to the quote-unquote civil rights leaders, they were like, what gives them hope? He's like, when I watch TV, I see all the mixed race couples on television gives me hope. Which is like, yeah. Which is actually so pathetic because this escapes no one. I know that you're probably watching commercials saying, wow, a lot of black folk in the commercials. We're looking at the commercials going, wow, a lot of mixed couples in these all these commercials. You know, that doesn't seem to represent true reality. No, they're trying to make reality. Yes, yes, yes. And of course, neither you or I are against that, but it's it's

2:34:27 it's trying to shape something. And then you have uh these two who are playing right into it, playing along, all part of the system. Uh, oh, and but let's believe that doesn't go both ways because what she's saying, she's gonna pull her a brownie. What she's talking about is LeBron James son took a white woman, a white girl to the call that pulling a brawny, yeah. Well, that's what they called it now, I guess. But it was out. Oh, how dare he, you know what I'm saying? What, no, how you know, that kind of thing, even though it's in all the commercials, and that's really encouraging. Uh, no, we're not supposed to do that. It can't go the other way. No, you black men can't go out.

2:35:09 Oh, I got you. Yeah. And the funny thing was, Dwayne Wade transitioning son to a daughter, Zaya, had a white girl that's transitioning to a boy, and they were like coupled up. Nobody said a word, nobody said a people about it. Of course not. And I even made a tweet about it. But yeah, I mean, that's that's the that's where we're at with it. It's like, no, black men can't have any choices. And that's one thing I want to click clear about Kevin Samuels. He was for black families, but he said, before black men take a bad deal, look, any man takes a bad deal, consider all your options. And he got pulled back from that. So, I mean,

2:35:54 so I guess we can go ahead and jump into, I think we stopped at three, but let's go ahead and jump to five because I just want to hear this. Um, one clip in here about how, just go ahead, go ahead and play. Black women, we like our men, we love our men. I love my husband, he black as it is. All three of my black brothers, my black daddy, my black boys, I'm raising. And so don't lose hope in our black men, sis, because if we don't keep the hope, then no one else will. Don't lose the hope. And I do want to say I appreciate the black men that are out there really standing up for black women, really saying how much they love and appreciate because there are a lot of black men out there like that.

2:36:32 But unfortunately, you know, the voice comes through of those that are doing the opposite, you know, and it is hurtful when you go to march for and battle for and do all this for the for for your black for the black man, and then they're turning around and uh degrading, um, raping, um, taking advantage of, uh, beating, um, and robbing. Cause I've been seeing a lot of um black men lately that just don't even care. And they're run-up season.

2:37:08 It's run-up season. They're robbing black women. And I remember when I was younger, that was one thing where it was like women and children to certain gangsters is like off limits. Like, you're not gangsta if you're doing this to a woman. It's the game of the rules to the game have been. completely abolished. Never since they started gangwork on Sundays, not at the grandma house. Like the whole rule book for gangsters is thrown away, girl. Ever since they started carrying purses. Oh, there it is. There it is. Wow. Let it soak in. This is yet. We celebrate gangster when they're dead.

2:37:50 So we can use them for Black Lives Matter. They celebrate gangster at the next song play on the radio. What are you talking about? At the same time, while you're advertising, you're saying that when they start wearing purses, but you just said how great LGBT month was for Macy's. It's so, so twisted. It's like, huh? These are the same people said, oh, you need to get on the side with the LGBT and hold the door for them. This is the same thinking. As I'm listening to this, I'm thinking, poor Will Smith. That brother is locked into this shit 24 hours a day. No wonder he says,

2:38:33 I gotta stand up for my wife and family. I have to do something. You better. Yeah. Like I said, she got the teak. Now you hear the conditioning and you can never be good enough. This proves it. And it's like I said, this is not talking about most of the sisters out there. This is that ruling elite. This is now you're hearing the Crown Bill 2.0 talk slip in. Oof, oof, oof. You hear it? Yeah, of course. Now we're robbing us and they're raping us. And I want, I'm got a show off making. They're robbing us and raping us and putting our money in their purse. Right. But support George Floyd. Yeah, exactly.

2:39:14 You see, it's the damn thing. Who literally held a gun to his to a pregnant woman? But we can use him to get money from all these big corporations. So hey, Macy's. Yeah. I mean, all these companies writing these checks. You know what I'm saying? Tell me again. Tell me again. Tell me again these two women. I gotta hit list. This is Eva Marcel and L'Oreal. L'Oreal. Yes. Okay. So now I'm just, yeah. Yeah. This is black radio as finest, and black radio is not for men. I don't think men listen to black.

2:39:59 I don't think black men listen to the radio, to be honest with you. So you can't pin on us all the debauchery that goes on the radio and saying that, you know, children that exposed to, and then wonder why, you know, they're wearing purses or whatnot. That's the damnest thing to me. She's like, oh, you're going to blame it on the purses. But then you just sit here. I digress. This was the Ricky Smiley show. No, this is their podcast by this is the undressing room. Okay. This is a specific podcast for them. But they bring two powerhouse syndicated radio personalities together.

2:40:35 And this is what Macy's is funding. Now, imagine if Macy's was funding anything close to this on the other side of the spectrum. Oh, they would be canceled. They would be Chick-fil-A. It's Chick-fil-A. There you go. That's it. Right. So now we're moving. This is Weezy from the horrible spell, actually, like horror podcast with her and Mandy B. But this is her talking to Adam 22 for No Jumper. He's going to invoke the name Kevin Samuels because he knows I the blue because he knows she's going to set her off and then listen to her get triggered.

2:41:14 I really enjoyed the Kevin Samuels interview we did, but I just can't listen to another evaluation of another woman's dating situation. Like, you had Kevin Samuels on? Yeah. And I think he's a terrible person. Okay, we can talk about that, but I just have a lot of friends who like watch this shit over and over. And I'm like, bro, at a certain point, though, you feel like you've just learned enough about like unhappy women who are like having a hard time dating. It's not like the clips at first to me, like, they were jarring to see, but like building a brand on shitting on black girls, like, I don't like that. You really think that's what it is, though? 100%. I think some of the advice has been, I would say, conducive, but like for the most part, like, no, your most viral and salacious shit is really talking about women badly.

2:41:57 I'm like, I don't like that. But don't you think that the women that he's shitting on, like, they deserve it? No. Really? No, I don't. I think the point that I was so easily able to call him the Kevin Samuels thing was just like, these women are being raised to not understand what the fuck is going on. Like, they just really telling girls they're fat looking like a linebacker and shit like that. that's fucking nuts. The women that he says that to are the women who think that they're gonna get some dude. Like, I've seen these women are like 300 pounds saying that they deserve a guy who's making you know a million dollars a year and shit. And it's like, and now we have Kevin Samuels to let them know. And I think that he's actually doing important work. I can't wait for Dr. Umar to get his ass. I really hope they get him. But Dr. Umar is living in a fantasy world.

2:42:41 Kevin talks about real shit. How is Dr. Umar in a fantasy? Because he kind of relies on these like fake arguments, too, of being like, you say mean things to black women. It's not really about them. No, Dr. Umar is like way deep. Mind you, he's super homophobic. And I can't even believe I'd be sticking up for him like this. But like, I have really seen Dr. Umar for the good in what he's taught people about blackness that I fuck with him for it. I think like when I'm making the Dr. Umar Kevin Samuels joke, I really just want someone to see Kevin Samuels. Like I want to see someone really tell him about himself because I think he needs that. I'm not that person to do that. You're not that person to do that. But Dr. Umar, I think it really tears his ass the fuck up. Dr. Who? Umar Johnson. Ah, we need a black man to tack another black man is what we need.

2:43:26 It's not your job, Adam, as a white man, not you, but Adam 22. Yeah, and it's not my job as a think she's a mixed woman to take on Kevin Samuels. We need a black man on a black man violence. That's what we need. Yeah. Yeah. Kevin Sam is all straightened out. Yeah. This is where we're at with it. And Adam knew it would trigger her. Yeah. Very, very. And he's like, she even said, Dr. Umar, he's homophobic, but I can look past his homophobia for my own saying to use him to weaponize him for my own good. This is so this is where we're, this is where we're at, and you wonder why there's a black manosphere, and you wonder why there's diversity in thought and a separating of

2:44:15 the two. And I don't even want to say two sexes because it's not about on the personal level. This is playing out on politics and economics. Well, unfortunately, they have the media. Do they? I don't think so. I think that, but the mainstream? I don't. I don't, I don't think the mainstream is crap now. Oh, crap. Oh, no. Don't get me wrong because, of course, I completely believe in the power of what we're doing and other and what Kevin Samuels was doing.

2:44:55 But it's, we're still in a transitionary period. I mean, black radio is still very important. I mean, black Twitter still has influence. It's very important because it gets to people for free. But see, this is the thing about podcasts and YouTube lives and videos and whatnot. People can access that for free as well. So that kind of balances the selling point for the radio versus listening to podcasts or lives.

2:45:34 Because they're both free. They don't cost me anything. So I can easily download a Kevin Samuels episode instead of listening to morning radio. And that's why I'll say it again. We're kicking their ass. Now, it's not that we have somebody as big as Joy Reed or Don Lemon, but when you factor up everybody that listens to a message that's counter theirs, the number we're saying, we eclipse them by a sentence. Trust me, because Kevin Samuel is pulling down 20, 30,000 people in his lives every night. You think Don Lemon's doing that? Honestly, no, no, no, no. I'm always telling you on the independent media. I mean, you really don't have to do that.

2:46:17 I'm with you. I'm with you. And I think I support the concept. No, I'm just saying that we got to remove that looking point because it's only a talking point. They don't have anything on us. But we have to remove one other thing. We don't have to do it for purposes of this conversation. Yeah. But one of the many reasons that we do this podcast together is because we're men. And this is an attack on all men. So my white brothers and my brown brothers and my red ones and my yellow ones, this is also about us. And that's what's important. It's about all of us. It's about family. It's about women.

2:47:00 It's about, okay, we got one way where you can have a man and woman living together with children. You know what I'm saying? Whether there's mixed families like the Brady bunch or, you know what I'm saying, or just a normal nuclear family, you know what I'm saying? From the two parents. but you need family. We're past the point of this. Do you not see the price of things? See, this I have this weird, and I said this on Cry America a long time ago. All this weird stuff that they're pushing, I don't think it's to highlight the weird stuff. What I mean by weird, like all the different genders and all this stuff that they're pushing. I think it's to galvanize the people that I think they want to procreate to procreate.

2:47:46 So, your concept would be: we want these people to procreate. And so, now with the economy, it's going to be necessary for people to be together. You damn right. I mean, you rather have a roommate or a wife. You're going to live with somebody. I mean, we're past the point of living on our own. So, they're like, okay, well, all three of our girls living with somebody, not married, and actually very happy because all their rents went up 30%. Right. And what the men are looking at is like, hold on, we're living together and I'm obligated to protect you. And, you know what I'm saying? You know, I help feed you and clothe. It's going very,

2:48:31 not caveman in the aspect of like, ooh, me caveman, but in the aspect of protecting, providing those very base principles, a relationship between a man and a woman, we're getting to that point. It's going to be soon where you're going to have one car. Yeah. Like, two cars is going to be a luxury. So I think by having shows like this and discussion like this, we're helping where people can seek first to understand, then to be understood, to make more families and marriages and homes and that kind of thing. Because America rewards, I mean, don't get it. Don't be confused.

2:49:12 They're confused. America rewards nuclear families. America rewards having children in the right way. Look at your taxes. Y'all are married? Good. Yes. Yes. Because they know that's good for society. But they've got to the point now that, yeah, we got to weave some of these people out. And I think they're doing it in a very disgusting way. I don't agree with it at all. But I think who we think are in charge are not in charge. I think it's a very pro-pro-family movement, pro-nuclear family movement.

2:49:52 I think it's just steering the wheel right now. That's just, that's just my perception of it because it doesn't make any other sense. You're galvanizing people to have kids. Well, just look at the commercials and tell me what you see. That's what the desire is for you to be. I think that's the troll the people that they want to have kids to even have more kids and to buy guns and to be resourceful. You know, it's like, it's that, it's that thing. It's like, we're going to get, I hate to belabor the point, but I just want to give you an example. I think they look at it like this.

2:50:28 And this is very cold. And I want to make sure people understand it. I am putting my lizard hat on when I'm saying this, my lizard thinking cap. They're saying, if you're dumb enough to cush your kid's penis off, we don't want any more of you around. So do us a favor and cut his penis off. That's the last generation, we got to worry about those genetics. But they frame it in a way it's like, oh, we celebrate this. No, they're celebrating it to get rid of. Yeah. So that's why I think they're coming. I mean, they, it's a gas and the brakes to this. It's that we need more productive people and we need less non-productive people.

2:51:13 And I think this is the gauntlet and the thresher that they're putting people through. That if you get caught up in the gender war, you ain't meant to go into the next phase. Yes. Wow. And that's why I feel an obligation to make people aware. It's not to get into the freckles of the gender war. No. That's real cynical, but I can't disagree with it. Because look at it. Like, look at these families now. I mean, like, the fan, like, real, like, the conservative families, they have four, five, six, eight kids. Yeah. They're like, oh, we're going to need each other. You know, that kind of thing. And like the powers would be like, well done. You're going to raise productive society and we're going to eliminate

2:51:58 what they call useless eaters. And I find that to be very sad. It's very, very sad. It makes me sad. There's a lot of young couples who have been programmed to. to not want to have children have dogs instead and that goes into it that if you buy into that that's not the kind of person that we want to take forward wow okay i never really considered it that way but that's that's worth that's worth a lot of consideration it's like uh we weed them out by making it very apparent who we don't want yeah because they couldn't stop you right it's kind of like they couldn't stop women for smoking cigarettes right so it's like oh let's give them to them and tell them they're great things

2:52:41 and they'll smoke it it's the same it's the same so that's uh that's a a call out to the lgbtq plus be careful be careful anything they're accelerating the same the same way i look at like i said with all of this i'm very uh skeptical about all these people but i guess what we can do now is um i had the clip of him calling the woman and running back but i don't want to really get into that i want to go more into how she tried to frame him is worse than uh his white counterpart

2:53:20 so it's uh what 27 yeah well i just mean the viral clips of like you know you calling girls ugly like they're always and and believe me he takes it way too far he says the rudest most up i could ever think of and he knows that he's doing that and he's gonna get extra media attention from his audience for like but see howard stern a charlemagne people like that that can make those moments happen without being that disgusting that's talent what kevin samuels is doing is just like mean you the way that you can bring out things to people and either get them a little riled up or angry or whatever like that's not you really really shitting on someone for this moment that kind of shit i don't really like like i

2:54:01 would never want to be in the position of having to do the kind of content that kevin samuels does and but actually that's why i think it's almost kind of like brave because charlemagne like would never speak to a woman on his show that way granted he doesn't interview just like random ass women who have nothing going for him but i feel like he has too much of a career he knows that his his career would probably torpedo if he said that kind of the point though i think is just to be real just be honest he doesn't need to do that don't you think we're in a society that really disincentivizes being honest is honesty calling someone a linebacker i mean if she's the size of a linebacker

2:54:37 then i mean she's a linebacker right i mean i just i feel bad bro like nobody would ever get on a woman's ass for saying the same thing to a fat man basically is what i would say about that all right bump it we're gonna go play the he said running back let's just go ahead and get let's get into 26 and then we can talk about a little bit not too long because i want to get peep keep it fresh in people mind what she said about how it stern i got a clip of how it stern being howard stern but you know let's get into 26 okay you weighed more than a man at your height

2:55:15 true or false i'm around a lot of chubby dudes so no oh but but okay how much do you weigh 220. i weigh 210 and i'm six foot four you broke the first rule see you ladies don't mind breaking the rules that men are visual the men want women into a fit feminine friendly cooperative submissive i don't mind being the size of i'm sorry you're five foot eight i'm five foot eight you're about the size of immitt smith or barry sanders were you're running back size okay you can hit the a gap like a motherfucker yeah all right so don't come in here talk about what men should not be able to do when they got to accept uh somebody who can run out the power eye

2:56:02 okay i mean i'm being silly i'm being silly because but i'm being silly because to make a point that modern women are so full of righteous indignation what you are and ain't gonna accept and all this other kind of stuff when you're not even what most men want no and i'm working on that you said i'm 23 you said that i can i have until like 25. there's no reason to be 23 and 220 pounds man you ain't had no babies there's absolutely no reason to justify unless it's something unless it's glandular that you got a doctor's note for there's absolutely no reason okay i'll give you that i give you all right then but

2:56:43 yeah well he's he's harsh but sometimes it's hard to hear but you don't want to hear and and every one of these women call him and i said i'm not taking up kevin because hey he don't need to be taken up for he can handle himself but but the thing is is that listen go ahead well but what i'm hearing and of course, I've not watched a lot of Kevin Samuels. I'm not almost in none of his demographics except for man, and I wish I'd watched a little bit more. What he's really doing is counteracting one of the biggest

2:57:24 Jedi mind tricks of our age, which is the positive body image, which has just been taken to a degree that is way too far. Because if he's going against everything that society has been told, you know, you can't body shape. He's body shaming. That would be what it's called. He was body shaming, and but the it's it's like it's like when artists do art for the no agenda show, they they send in the art and they know they're going to be critiqued when it doesn't win and it's no good. But it's important for people to hear that sometimes. And the thing is, these are let me be clear about who's calling him.

2:58:06 Yeah. Women that are trying to convince him that they deserve top 10% men. It's not gonna say it. It's not his thing is, why don't you go find somebody on your level? Which if a man, if a man was told that, like a guy was like, okay, give you a perfect example with Lizzo. She curbs guys all the time. They're interested in her. But if a guy said they're not interested in her, then oh, it's the, it's a crime. Yeah. Why would you date Lizzo? And it's like, she wants to get with whatever, what's the dude, Magic Mike, or whatever his name is. Like, you want to get one of the top Hollywood guys?

2:58:53 But it's a regular guy that was fit and tried to say, oh, you're just a regular guy. How dare I? It's like this double standard in this people are tired of playing the game of, I'm not going to play this game with you anymore. And that's what, and I want to play these two clips back to back because you could hear even he say, I'm being silly. She's kind of lat chuckling. Like, she knows kind of, I get it. You know what I'm saying? Okay. And he, like I said, he uses cuss words, whatever. But now I want to compare that because Weezy from the Horrible Podcast says, Howard Stern would never talk to people like that. Oh, yeah. This is Howard Stern talking about Wendy Williams.

2:59:33 Cunt. Fuck you. Wait, wait, stop, stop. Stop, stop, stop, stop. I got to take the kids out the room. I'm sorry for the last one, but please, it's going to get ugly. Cunt. Fuck you. You heard me. Fuck off, cunt. Oh, my God. Can't you? By the way, Howard Stern, when he left public airwaves, that's what ruined him because he had this natural force that was called the FCC. You know, he was against the man, but he always had to stay within certain guidelines. And once they could say any curse word they wanted, I feel the show went downhill.

3:00:13 You got to have got to have something you dip, dodging, and diving like YouTube. You got to have something. The algorithm is nothing but the FCC. That's all it is. It's like, how far can I push it? Yeah, but you talk about this a lot about being canceled in the cancel game and that kind of thing. Right. But some of that is just unnecessary. You know, it's like we don't do that. We're not continuously. Now, we're able to play it because we're on a podcast. But to me, it just shows poor communication. But anyway, it doesn't matter. You know what? The last time I had in here, she was giving me some goddamn attitude with this Hollywood crap.

3:00:53 Yeah, I'm a real Hollywood insider. You should see the wild life I'm living. You got those big fake tits and I'm Hollywood, huh? Shut the fuck up. Cunt. Oh, he kisses everyone's. I'm not kissing your ass now, cunt face. Fuck off. The fuck's wrong with her? Bro, doesn't have an original thought in her goddamn head. Busy being Howard Stern. And now she's got... You mean because I've had success, I'm Hollywood? Well, because I know Jimmy Kimmel, that's real Hollywood. Who am I hanging out with? She doesn't know even who I'm hanging out with. She doesn't know what I do with my life. She doesn't know who I go, who I hang with.

3:01:41 Worry about your husband, not me. Fuck off. Sick of her. Her bullshit show. Who started like me being of the people? Oh, she's of the people with the fake tits and the bullshit. And the bull. Botox. But at some point, you sat behind that microphone for too long, and now you are the people. And for somebody like. Yeah, I'm the people. I've just had this charmed life, you cow. Frog face bitch. Shut the fuck up. Oh, man. I'm just sick of her. This says a lot about Howard.

3:02:22 Thank you. My goodness. Now, I've never seen Kevin Samuels or anybody talking to a woman or about a woman like that. Especially a black woman, a white man talking about a black woman like that. Are you kidding me? But guess what? No, nobody said anything because now we got, I got the response from the Breakfast Club, and this is about Howard Stern apologizes. Well, if you guys remember, Wendy Williams and Howard Stern used to have a great relationship, but then they had a falling out. All because Wendy Williams is talking about Howard Stern's book coming out and said this on her show. Howard is so Hollywood right now that everything that you say is so predictable.

3:03:05 Every story is going to be about, you know, oh, I love this one. And then we went on their yacht and he's a Hollywood insider now, which sucks because you started like me being of the people, but at some point you sat behind that microphone for too long and now you are the people. Yeah, that's whack. If we're supposed to be friends and we're supposed to be cool and you feel that way, come to me first. Don't just say it on your show and then don't expect me to clap back because I'm going to clap back. Well, Howard Stern was triggered. And here's what he had to say on his show because it was brought to his attention. And then he talked about it for like 40 minutes. What a bug I you. You got those big fake and I'm Hollywood, huh?

3:03:46 Shut the f up. Worry about your husband, not me. Sick of her. Her bullshit show. I'll bet 20 bucks she pee standing up. I hope her ass gets stuck in a zipper. I Ru Paul Paul before I her. I watch RuPaul's drag race. She makes Ru Paul look like Margot Robbie. Yeah, I don't see nothing wrong with that. You tell you clap at me, I'm gonna clap back. He just went a little far, but he took it very 40 minutes. He did it for like three hours. Well, Howard Stern has apologized. You know, he's said that he does apologize and is expressing love for her and all of that at the Hollywood on the Hollywood Reporter. Where did he apologize? On the Hollywood Reporter. He apologized in the article there. Yeah, you know why?

3:04:26 Even Howard gets the call. Even Howard gets the call. But even they know to stay in their place because Howard can make calls too. True. So they're like, oh, I can see, oh, you know, I can see it happening. I don't see no problem with what? This is my point. This is my point right here that they're all bought off. This whole media is bought off. It's not about any principle to it. It's not about, oh, you know, protecting our women or the image of our women.

3:05:02 None of that. It's that Howard Stern could talk about Wendy Williams all he wants to, and they will not step out of line to say anything about Howard Stern because he knows he can have every one of their jobs anytime he wants it. He still has legit power. He is very Hollywood. There's no doubt about it. Right. He could call it a Hot Night 7 or whatever it is, Breakfast Club. I'm like, hey, you know that? Him. I want him going by the end of the day. Like, also, Bill, see, that's what Bill Cosby was doing. So it's not that like it's not, you know, saying it wasn't, it can't be done on both sides. But that's them bowing down to the powers that be. But then you say Kevin Samuels, but she brought up Howard Stern as all he doesn't do it like that.

3:05:46 Really? He sure did. Worse. Much worse. Much worse. The C one. Yeah. That's the one you don't know. You never use that name. Never. Everybody. Every mother has told us this the one you don't ever use. That's up there with N-words, man. That's like this shit that's in your head. Like, that does not slip out. Yeah, that does not slip out. Yeah. And then the B-word, too. That one is also. Also. So he just went, hey, I'm just going to show you that the double standard. So now I got the actual clip that blew Kevin Samuels up.

3:06:27 And this, he, you think of all the things he said, telling a woman that you look average as best and you're going to die alone is what blew him up to mega viral status. So I got two clips from that. There's a whole video. You can go listen to the whole thing, but I just want to listen to the two clips of the exchange between him and the woman. Average-looking woman with a 13-year-old son. son with a sketchy baby daddy. This gets worse every time I say something. And now you're asking for a man who's in the top 10% of men.

3:07:08 You don't qualify for one. And you're making, I mean, I don't, I don't want to have to go there, but when you put in all these other factors, why can't you just get a man that's an average guy? Sometimes I feel like in order to fully submit, I have to feel like he's in. Well, then you're going to then you're going to die alone. How about that? Let me just cut to the chase, ma'am. Uh, you can feel like what you want to, but women like you die alone straight up because you think you're better than the men that you qualify for.

3:07:50 And the only reason, honestly, ma'am, that I can see a woman like yourself really thinking you deserve more is because you earn more because you earn more money than most people around you in North Carolina. But if your ass worked at the post office, you would not think so highly of your opportunities. And that's the reality. We don't, men don't care about your money. Not the kind of men that you want. We don't care about your money. It ain't ours. We care about the fact that you are older and you got kid and you're average. Yeah.

3:08:30 Average. That was the cuss word. That was the A word. The A word. Yeah, you say, because what happened was, to be honest, the man of sphere, specifically, more specifically, the black man's fear, used that as an insult. You're average at best. And it was received as an insult. What I hear being said, and this is why I want to do this because there's a point to all this what I'm talking about, and we're going to hear it in a little bit. But he said that you look down on the men that you qualify for.

3:09:12 Right? You look down on the men. So what he's being is avid advocate for men is saying, what's wrong with you being with a quote-unquote average man? If you're average at best, he's average at best. Why don't you guys get together and be average together? Do you think that he was that the reason he did this was it could be either or or yeah, it could be both to try and guide women towards something towards reality. But was he also at the same time helping men? Do you think his pure intent was both?

3:09:54 Because he just sounds like he's being honest. The thing that the whole thing is that he talked to men like this and worse. See, his channel originally was talking to me. Men, right? Yes. Like, hey, you don't make enough money. You know what I'm saying? You're a bum. You know what I'm saying? And it would tell him like that. Like, look, you're X amount of years old and you only made this. How are you going to have a family? How are you going to take care of a woman? That kind of thing. It's only when he turned honesty the other way. And these women sought after him. You know, like I said, every woman he talked to, they called him

3:10:32 or got on his social media in some kind of way. But it's that thing of why don't you just be with somebody that will love you for you? You know what I'm saying? No, that goes against the Disney programming. And people think, I know your eyes might roll when I say Disney programming, but when you've told young girls, they're princesses, you're princess, you're a princess, you're a princess. Someday my prince will come. Exactly. Then 16 years old, you have the sweet 16. And then, you know, all you know, spoil, spoil, spoil, spoil, spoil. The reality is not there. It's just not there because it's not in our society.

3:11:15 Because every girl, Cinderella was only one person in the whole story. But every woman thinks they're Cinderella or some kind of princess, Disney princess. And please identify. Please note, Cinderella had three quote ugly stepsisters. Exactly. They literally were ugly. They were called ugly stepsisters, weren't they? In the fairy tale? I think they were. They used the U-word. Right. So I'm just saying that, but in the story, everybody identifies as Cinderella. Of course. And there's going to be a prince. prince there. And of course, there is a prince for you. But he might not make six figures.

3:11:54 He might not be over six feet tall. You know what I'm saying? He might not have a full head of hair, but that guy's going to love you like, you know what I'm saying? Like, like the queen that you are. But you can't come into it wanting to be worshipped either. And I think that's the real flaw or fault in the cohabitation and the getting along with men and women. It's these crazy expectations. And I know I'm going long, but I just want to make this one point. I think a lot of this plays into internet dating because it makes you think that you have what nine, eight, nine billion people in the world, that you have like four billion options.

3:12:39 So everybody's waiting out, like, you know, oh, there's a deal out there for me that can work with my budget. And it's like, it doesn't work that way. There is no, there's no doubt that online dating has changed the game to an enormous degree. Some of it's very successful. But I would say the way most of these apps are set up, it's not really meant for it, doesn't seem like it's going to have a high ratio of success. And you use the word game, and that's what it's turning. It says swipe left, swipe right. It's a game. And I'm not, I mean, what I'm just saying is before, pre-internet, you had to meet somebody at the church or at school.

3:13:24 Well, so we don't have all these visual cues anymore. Body language, pheromones, all these things that make the mating/slash dating game so natural. I remember when I was recently single nine years, eight, nine years ago, my daughter came out to kick my ass. And he said, okay, we're going to put you on Tinder. I'm like, oh, brother. And she says, no, no. And she made my profile. And she chose a picture with me with other women in the picture.

3:14:04 You know, it's like, no, no, this works. And she had this. I mean, the whole thing was gamified. And of course, the results were predictable. It was incredibly disastrous. One date. It's like, okay, Tinder's not for me. But it was gamified. It was gamified and it was not really intended for any type of relationship. And when you gamify things, there's going to be winners and there's going to be losers. Yeah, for sure. And I just don't think that's a necessary. I think there's a win-win here for it to be had. But that's it for that block of it. And as you see, the die alone thing, that was a real, that was a real

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3:22:42 Well, good. Well, good. We're ready. I want to see people die alone. Trust me. And for all you hate, love Kevin Samuel, hate him, you know what I'm saying? Whatever. He makes a valid point. This life is not to be meant to live alone and it's definitely not meant to die alone. So I have this dating coach that's basically saying the same thing he's saying. This is Logan Urey. And she's on, I think, with CBS in the morning. And she's going to talk about basically how not to die alone. According to the dating app Hinge, 75% of their users are looking for and ready for a relationship.

3:23:27 There's a new book. It's called How to Not Die Alone: The Surprising Science That Will Help You Find Love. And it applies concepts from behavioral science to dating. It's written by Logan Urey. She's a behavioral scientist and the director of relationship science at Hinge. Yes, it is a science. Apparently, that's lesson number one. The book is terrific. I love it. I actually want to give a copy to a friend who I think is dating the wrong person. You'll tell me if that's rude. If you say the name right now, you'll just address it. No, go ahead. But I think the foundational premise is really interesting, which is that love is not just a thing or a winning relationship is not something that just happens by luck.

3:24:06 You have to work for it and you show people how. Yes, exactly. So love is natural. We're born knowing how to love, but we are not born knowing how to date. Dating is a skill and you can get better at it. And I will teach you how to do that. Okay. Well, I love that she has vocal fry. So dating is a skill, which I have no clue how to date because I didn't really date. What happened? Was this a shotgun wedding? What happened there, Mo? No, I just met her on the 4th of July and we just kind of hung out. Oh, I love that. 4th of July meetings are the best. That's the best. Random, too. Wait a minute, kissing under the fireworks.

3:24:48 Actually, no, because I met her. I didn't get her number. She didn't get my number, but our friends exchanged numbers. So we had a second chance encounter due to them exchanging numbers. Wow. How random is that? You know what I'm saying? And that's well, everybody to have that. I've learned when you open yourself up, that's sometimes hand of God, brother. Right. And I want everybody to have somebody because that's how life is meant to be. Maybe you want to be alone. Who knows? But my point is: increase your eyes if that's what you want to have. And you heard her say, it's a behavioral science. They're playing with our whole

3:25:33 history of dealing with each other. And I mean that between the woman and man. There's behavioral scientists playing with this right now. And I just want to get back to Logan. By the way, I'm sorry to interrupt. Do you know the number one place where behavioral scientists work? Where? Silicon Valley. That's to tell you everything you need to know. That's all they do. They invented the likes. They invented everything. The profiling, it's all behavioral scientists. And that's why I say Naomi Wolf is not crazy. That's why I say Kevin Samuels is not crazy. And they're on to something. Maybe the delivery method is not the best or maybe not

3:26:18 the way we do things to seek first to understand, then be understood. But at the end of the day, I think this life is not meant to be lived alone. So let's go ahead and get into 37. And so part of getting better is first realizing what kind of dater you are. You say there are three types. What are they? I love the tendencies. Yeah. So, I worked with clients around the world. They're all really different, but I was like, there's something they all have in common, and it was unrealistic expectations. And so, I categorize them into the three types. So, the first type is the romanticizer. They love love. They're waiting for the soulmate, the meet cute, and they expect love to look a certain way.

3:26:59 If it feels like work, you're doing it wrong. That's me. That's you. Okay. Yes. Hello. My name is Gail. Go ahead. We should talk about it. The second type is the maximizer. I get a lot of clients like this. They have unrealistic expectations of their partner. They think, I like her, but could she be 5% hotter, 5% more ambitious? They're just always trying to find the next best thing. And then the third type, which I've seen a lot of during the pandemic, is the hesitator. And they have unrealistic expectations of themselves. They're just saying, I'll date when I lose 10 pounds. I'll date when I have a new job. It's always I'm not ready to date yet. They think they have to be 100% ready before they put themselves out there. And there never is a good time, you say. Yeah.

3:27:41 So these are different kinds of daters. And you heard one of them being the one with the unrealistic expectations and their mate. Once again, Kevin was the godfather was right. I mean, but it's, but he wasn't a white woman. And he didn't say it politically correct. And we got to stop doing that, expecting somebody to deliver a message. Because I'm guilty of it. You know, I might be sensational sometimes just to get your attention and then, you know, fill it out with more details. But that's what we have to do when we're battling mainstream media.

3:28:21 I mean, that's what people don't understand. It's like, no kidding. We're doing a job here, folks. I mean, we're battling for space in the media, especially independent media. So we had to stand out. But at the same time, you want to be entertained and informed. And it's a tough job. We don't have the benefit of being brought on a huge multi-billion dollar channel and given, you know, the opportunity to share our ideas. So let's go ahead and get into part three. I want to tick off some things you said. Let's say it. Social media leads to compare and despair. Prince Charming has morning breath, number one, doesn't exist. So look for someone named Larry. Never did that before.

3:29:03 Sit next to rather than across from your date and look for a life partner, not a prom date. What do you mean? Yeah, so who's a prom date, right? There's someone who looks good in photos. You want to dance the night away with them. Maybe you want to have a little kiss or more at the end of the night. But you don't think, will this person pick up my kids from the dentist? And so it's fine to look for a prom date that's going to be light and fun. But when you're looking for the person you want to spend your life with, your criteria have to change. You say great relationships are built, not discovered. What does that mean? So many of the people I work with, they feel like when they meet the perfect person, it'll just feel right, right? People say this thing, I know it when I see it. Well, actually, relationships are built.

3:29:44 And so that's very empowering because then you can think, I'll meet someone great and build this great relationship with them. It's not about it feeling perfect from the beginning. When it comes to fairy tales and romantic comedy, it always starts with the spark. There's a spark between us. You say that the spark is one of the most harmful ideas to dating. Why so? Nate, I've been looking for the spark. I know. That's why I said, I read this book. I'm doing everything wrong. I mean, I love the spark too, but this is what was happening. I had this one client in particular. He would go out on dates and he would say, I met this guy. He was great. We had a really fun date. I'm never going to see him again. I would say, what are you talking about? It sounds like such a good date. He'd say, oh, I just didn't feel the spark. It's interesting.

3:30:29 Yeah, I know. I was looking at her website and it starts off with a quiz with all of these questions. It's like, do you need a profile? Yeah. Oh, yeah. No, they're totally building a profile. That's interesting. That's interesting. So I guess this last clip, I just find it interesting that Gail admitted this on live television. But this just shows you maybe how needy Gail is for a mate. And that's why I say it's become such a harmful idea in dating. And there's three main myths of the spark. So the first one is that if you don't have the spark, it'll never grow.

3:31:09 And that's just not true, right? People marry someone from work, someone from their office, someone from the building, right? The spark can grow over time. That's why you say going second dates. Oh, yes. Doesn't seem right for the first one. Yeah. The first date, people are nervous. Some people just don't shine on it. So I'm reminded of the old hair club for men saying, I'm not only the president, I'm also client. You apply your own laughter. lessons to your own love life, right? Yes, how's that going? It's going great. And my husband gave me full permission to talk about that. Okay, you said there was no spark with your husband. You know, I said it was a slow burn. What does that mean? A slow burn is someone where they're not shiny on the first date. They're not necessarily the most charismatic or knock you off your feet. But the more time you spend with them, the more you like them.

3:31:54 And so, wouldn't you rather have someone that gets better over time? Yes. It's honestly, our culture is very extrovert-heavy. It's also for introverts. Some people just take time to warm up, but they're such good partners. You tell a great story about how you got to Scott because your first guy said, Could you wait out to your outside of the club so I can go in and meet people? Don't come in with me. Reminds me of the time, Logan. I was holding onto the bumper of a Kai's Lincoln Continental was driving away. And I'm thinking, maybe he doesn't want to be with me. That's a true story, Gail. Yes, I was younger. I was younger. I was younger. He drove away, and I'm left in the parking lot with all my neighbors looking down at me. Yeah. All right, Gail. We all know about you and Oprah camping. All right. I think that's a very insightful.

3:32:37 Maybe that's where some kind of the hate comes from with Gail. Must be. Must be. For her to say that on live television, that was a weird, weird confession. You know, there's one other aspect of modern life and dating that I'm hearing, at least from the millennial women, the young women. And it was mentioned in this clip with the way work has changed to remote work, Zoom work. The workplace is not necessarily an option anymore for meeting somebody. And also Me Too. And Me Too is a huge. You got to think, like, hey, bro, I'm not trying to put my job on the line.

3:33:22 Good point. Good point. All things that have made this environment very toxic for dating, for finding the mate. Which I think is the desired outcome. Yes, I'm with you. And this is the tragedy. This next set of clips to go to show you that dying alone, the fact that you think everything, you have everything buttoned up in life, but life comes at you fast. This is about a 55-year-old unemployed woman who was a very successful person,

3:34:01 now faking a faking normal. Now, our economics correspondent Paul Solman takes a look at what has become the new normal for many members of the aging middle class, financial fragility. It's part of his weekly series, Making Sense, which airs Thursdays on the news hour. Everybody is pretending. And that's why you call the book faking normal. Right. Because there's a lot of pressure to seem like you are doing well. Elizabeth White is not doing terribly well, as she painfully chronicles in the book she's just self-published: 55, unemployed and faking normal.

3:34:44 White's been on the edge of the financial cliff for years, even though you'd never know it from how she looks, or the Washington, D.C. townhouse she bought years ago, one she couldn't even dream of renting today. But you haven't been in a situation where you literally couldn't afford whatever it is, the condo fee or... Oh, absolutely. I have. I right now have to park outside because I'm in arrears on the condo fee right now. And she's refinanced to the hilt, taking in a boarder. Well, you haven't used food stamps. But I have. I've had to. It's been quite a comeuppance for someone with her background. And this is a recent piece? Maybe four or five years.

3:35:30 Okay. It's only worse now than believe it. Yeah, it's pre-COVID. Yeah, this is pre-COVID. So we're going to be. Pre-inflation. Pre-massive inflation. Pre-massive inflation, pre-COVID. So we can't put it off on, oh, maybe she's a victim. No, this is a victim of getting old and being alone, which I don't want for anybody. So let's get into 41. It's been quite a comeuppance for someone with her background. I have a bachelor's from Oberlin. I have a master's in international studies from John Hopkins. I have a Harvard MBA. I worked at the World Bank, came in through a program where they recruited 5,000 people.

3:36:14 They took two Americans out of that 25. I was one of the Americans. But ultimately, White decided to leave the bank to start her own business. I had a chain of stores of decorative home stores. stores. Really? Yes. I sold some of the things you see here, African-inspired products. I realized that there was an African-American market that wanted things in their home that reflected heritage and culture. If you wanted to give your little girl Black Ragnando, you couldn't easily find it. So I just curated that from all over. So I then bet the ranch that I could get this going.

3:36:52 So I took a lot of my, not all of it, but I took a big chunk of my World Bank money to sort of fund this. Retirement savings. Savings. But it wasn't going, it was doing well, but I couldn't see my vendors of artists and producers were not going to be able to blow this out into a national chain. We're already struggling with volume. Did you sell your stores? No, closed it in the end. Just didn't work. Oh, that's too bad. 55 unemployed. Bet on herself. And it's like I said, this is one of the things I'm facing myself.

3:37:34 I'm betting on myself. But this is one of the things why Kevin Saint was so inspirational to a lot of me. He was 55, 54, reinventing himself over and over again, even with his channel with his content. And he said he was able to reach success. I mean, monetarily, but even he died alone. Yeah. You see what I'm saying? Like, this is a real issue that nobody's really talking about because it's going to become more and more likely that you're not going to be able to live by yourself.

3:38:12 As you get older, that's going to be even increased even more. I'm hoping like one of my kids, like, you know, looking at like, which one are you going to take dad in? You know, which one are you going to take mom in? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. No, I've heard all the promises. Don't worry. I'll get you premium cable with high-speed internet. Uh-huh. Yeah. Sure. This is where you better bet on your skills of finding you a mate because you can't, because kids are kids. I mean, they're going to grow up, have their own life and everything, you know. And it's not really, it's not an obligation. You would think they would take care of you, but I think that's kind of how we got into this position that we're in.

3:38:53 That a lot of people just say, oh, my kids will take care of me. My kids are my retirement plan. And that's a real, that's a that's sketchy. It's sketchy and it's a bit manipulative. Because totally you shouldn't rely on your kids like that. So like no, it's even better. We tell our girls, we're in operation spend down. There'll be nothing left when we're dead. So we're going to spend it all. We're spending it all. We got it all timed out. By the time we're dead, there'll be nothing left. I sold the TV.

3:39:33 He said, well, here's my watch. You get that kid. Here you go. If you can take it off my dead corpse. But this cautionary tale. Let's just go ahead and get into part three of this. But steady consulting work allowed White to maintain an upper middle class lifestyle for a while until the crash of 08. Within six months, I went from, you know, probably close to $200,000 to zero. And after that, the jobs of the past were nowhere to be found. This is to me where the age

3:40:11 discrimination piece. Oh, yeah. I find it much harder at this phase of life to get hired than I did earlier. When they then ask you to fill out the application that's all algorithm driven, you cannot leave off when you graduated from college. And once you put that date in there, then it's they know. Now, as you get older, by the way, that used to be illegal. I'm sure it is. But when I was running my company, we were publicly listed, had 700 employees.

3:40:50 I ran the New York office, 125. And we had an HR department, of course. It is for Boden. It is against the law to ask someone how old they are. So for the algos to then put in, you know, to force you to put in a date when you graduated is, in my opinion, illegal based upon current labor laws. So is forced vaccination, but you see how that went. So I'm just. pointing it out, Moe. I mean, they can do whatever the hell they want to do. That's the point I'm trying to make. Yeah, no, that's true. They know. And as you get older, your network also is not what it used to be.

3:41:33 Because they're losing their jobs. They're losing their jobs. They are retiring. They're not hearing about things. They're winding down. People have died. So White has been scraping by with scattered freelance gigs. So, sort of bits and pieces that allow me to cobble together income. But nowhere near the income of the best. No, no. No, down close. No. I mean, again, I have years of, you know, under 30,000. Yeah. Went from working from the World Bank to making $130,000 a year. Still as bright as ever. I mean, knowledgeable, but

3:42:20 we really got to look at this aging thing. And I've seen it, like I said, in corporate America, that they phase people out. Oh, it's worse than that. If you look at Silicon Valley, some of the, in my opinion, some of the best software developers are the ones that have experience, who have been around the block, who have, and, you know, they're 50, 50, 60. They are shunned. They're almost laughed out the door. Whereas they're much better software developers because they have incredible experience with stuff that you just can only really learn from experience. You can't really learn this type of stuff from a book necessarily. And it's just, it's shunned.

3:43:03 And it's not even about money. It's not about money. They're paying people 300 grand a year in Silicon Valley for software developers. But you're old. No. You don't count. They look at your cultural impact. Yep. You know what I'm saying? Being maybe from a different generation. They look at two, your cost to the health care. And then they look at, you know, three, like I said, I mean, money is a factor. When you factor all three things out, you get phased out. So it's like, it's kind of the same thing they're trying to run from or being a mate. You're going to be evaluated. Either you're going to be evaluated by a mate or you're going to be evaluated by a corporate, a corporate corporation.

3:43:48 And like I said, I just find this to be an alarming tale of Kevin Samuels being right. I think he knew this was the end for a lot of people because it probably was a reality for him. Him being 50-something years old. I mean, maybe podcasting and live streaming was his only option or one of his few only options. Now he made the most of it. That's why I think it's, I mean, it's a, it's a, you know, good story for him, but yet and still, he still died alone. And

3:44:30 for people, and I'm saying this for people my age, maybe younger, while you're still looking for somebody, go to a rest home. You know, that'll rearrange your priorities. Well, there's another thing that this brings up, and this just says overall about society and comes back to the depopulation that we started the show with. Look at how the old folks were treated in the old folks' homes. I'm talking about Washington State. I'm talking about New York City. These were the first people to basically be killed. To die alone. And yes, alone. That's right.

3:45:11 Even people who were just in the hospital doesn't matter. No family, no nothing. But they were, you know, the majority of people who died during COVID or of COVID or with COVID were older people. And I don't, and I think a lot of it was poorly managed. So yes, there's an overall disdain. You know, that in some European countries, they're already talking, and this is part of a World Economic Forum program as well. It's like, you know, when you reach a certain age, you should consider maybe, you know, there's some options available because, you know,

3:45:51 your use is no longer for this world. That's that calculation. And they're doing it in an unforced way. I mean, in a forced way by saying, well, you know, you can die of loneliness. And that was one thing nobody really talks about from COVID as well. When you cut off from your grandkids, you're cut off from your kids. You know, maybe your spouse is no longer. longer living or you're living alone, you kind of lose the will to live. Um, but you've seen it, like I said, in Europe, these older people are dying, they actually die of loneliness because nobody comes to check on them, nobody, you know, calls, nobody, none of that. So, I mean, this is, and I don't hate that, bum everybody out, but

3:46:36 the point of this is to say, uh, I think Bobby Womack said it, find somebody while you still can. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's the thing, like, man, hey, life is too short. Find you somebody is going to be good to you, good for you. Uh, and, you know, hopefully, this is not your reality. But I want to play this last clip of this set. And this is just getting still, black man comes to the rescue. Help has come from unexpected sources, like neighborhood free spirit Elijah, a clothing minimalist.

3:47:14 I was getting on the far side of where my mortgage company was getting like serious with me because you were behind in your body. Behind. He just listened. I'll do it. I can do it. But I'll do it, meaning I'll make up the pay. He'll pay your mortgage. Right. So this is my alliance. This is my alliance. I'm people. The Vietnam vet gets about $900 in monthly benefits, saves almost half. I'm not a things person. How much money do you think I'm spending on my attire?

3:47:54 As he says, I have a few friends like you who are in the stuff world, is what he calls. You're always getting into some kind of mishap. Grateful to get by with a little help from her friends. White was also embarrassed. You're the loser. You know, how can you have this kind of background and be landing here? There must be something wrong with that. There has to be. So are you? I could have not started a business. I stayed at the World Bank, not taking that, you know, risk. But she did. Her reward, financial fragility. Something she now shares with a surprisingly large portion of the former so-called middle class.

3:48:39 That's a story you don't hear about much. And Elijah is a friend of the show. Oh, really? I've spoken to him on the phone before. Because somebody that knows, that listens to the show knows him. And I've heard, I've had this clip for a year or so, just sitting on it. And they were like, oh, I know Elijah. And I was like, oh, yeah. I was like, I think I've seen him before. And I've actually, I talked to him when I was making my decision, you know, going through the whole vaccine thing. And he gave me some good insight. Yeah. It's just that, like, it's a small world.

3:49:18 It's a very small world. But he, like I said, he only makes $900 a month, but he was able to help her. And see, this thing, that's what I'm saying. Like, man, we're meant to be together. I don't care like humans, we're meant to be together, whether it's what we do here on the show or having a spouse or a loved one or somebody. And that's the greatest pride about doing the show is when people write in and they say they listen to it with their, you know, their mom or their spouse or, you know, just creating something people can, you know, come around and actually, you know, maybe you start some debate or give some insight to each other.

3:49:59 So it makes it all worthwhile. So who fills this void that Kevin Samuels has left? That's a good question. That's an excellent question. I don't think the way he, I don't think you can recreate what he, how he came about it. It was doing COVID. It was doing, you know, everybody was doing some, you know, saying, soul searching, and he just hit it the right time. But I don't think it needs to be one person. See, that's the thing about the independent media. It doesn't need to be one person. That's the whole problem with

3:50:43 the mainstream media that they have these few talking heads. No, we need to have multiple people. And you know what I'm saying? Do the heavy lifting together. That would be my answer to it. Well, I think you're also doing some of it. I mean, this is a consistent part of your message, not as directly as this particular episode, but I think this show fills some of that void to some degree. And that's the whole. whole point. It's like I'm always gonna be pro-family. Um, I know I understand the importance of it, and yeah, so I mean, hey, I'll play my part, I'll definitely play my part and uh, you know, and then bringing about a ceasefire in the gender war.

3:51:28 That'll be it, that'll be a hat on. Yeah, that would be a good one. That's a good goal to have. It's gonna take some work. Well, as we always do, we gotta say goodbye to the bad guy. We did it with 45 Savage, and we lost the godfather. So, I'm saying we gotta take one last time, let the bad guy say goodbye. You are a bunch of fucking assholes. You know why you don't have the guts to be what you want to be, buddy? This is outrageous. Let's go to the paper. You need people like me.

3:52:13 You need people like me so you can point your fucking fingers and say that's the bad guy. So, what I make you good, you're not good. You just know how to hide how to lie. Me, I don't have that part. Me, I always tell the truth, even when I lie.

3:53:04 So, say goodnight to the bad guy. Come on, the last time you're gonna see a bad guy like this again, let me tell you. Classic scarface, beautiful. Hey, he was a you might see him as a bad guy, but he was our bad guy, and he was he would be sorely missed. You know what I'm saying? So, peace to the God, Father. Thank you, Mo. This was, I didn't expect that this particular show, but now that we're at the end of it, it all makes sense because it really ties a lot together that we've been talking about for these past couple of years.

3:53:46 Yeah, it really does. It sure does. Thank you, brother. I really appreciate the work. It's a pleasure. And as I always say, pay attention to everything and the truth will reveal itself. And know, Mo, that there's always a sandwich in a bed here in the Texas Hill Country for you and the family, no matter what happens. Hopefully, I won't need it. All right, everybody, thank you very much for being here. We'll be back in about 14 days. And please remember to support this show by going to mofax.com or directly to our donation page at mofundme.com.

3:54:28 We'll see you soon for episode 83.