81: Qincidence

00:02 Mo Facts with Adam Curry for May 21st, 2022. It's episode number 81, y'all. That's right. That's my Texas draw, y'all. 95 degrees here in Texas. What are we at? May, are you kidding me? I'm Adam Curry coming to you from the heart of the Texas Hill Country, FEMA Region number 6, and it's time once again to spin the wheel of topics from here to Northern Virginia. I wonder what the temperature is. To find out, please say hello to my friend on the other end, ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Mo Facts. How are you doing, Adam? Mo, I'm always good when I hear your sultry tones, brother. How are we doing? Speaking of hot weather, this is the perfect zone for the intro.

00:46 Yeah. We got a little summertime. Early summertime. It's like 90 degrees. It was like 95 here yesterday. It's just insane. What's going on? They got it. They keep turning on harp to ruin our food supply or something. I don't know what's going on, man. This is bad. It's really bad. How's everything going, Mo? You cool? Everything's going well. Almost died. What? What? What are you talking about? Eating some banana nut bread. It almost took me out here, but I'm good. But everything. Are you allergic for nuts or for bananas? No, it was actually just choked on a piece of it. We're not too bad strength. It was a slight strangle, but it almost

01:27 took me out, but no. Everything's going good. How about yourself? Everything's real good, man. It's just a little bit too warm. We actually went to the keeper and I went to South Carolina, Charleston, for a big meetup. And I got to tell you, it was kind of, yeah, it was a no-agenda meetup. It was also like a podcasting 2.0 meetup. And it was a Mo Facts meetup. It was fantastic. I met Roger Roundy, artist to the stars, and to the biggest podcast in the world, who has done some dynamite Mo Facts t-shirts. And the official logo for the thumbnail that we use. So just to give him his props. And did you receive anything while you were there?

02:08 I received a lot of things, Mo. What exactly are you talking about? Are you talking about something that I specifically would like? Yes. Yeah, I received all that. Everything's good. Okay. Thank you very much. You know, and people are like, hey, man, is Mo here? I said, I don't know. He could be a bald white Jewish guy. I don't know. I've never seen him. I have no idea. I have no idea, man. Mo. Shlomo. Shlomo-Mo facts. There you go. It's real good to talk with you, no man. Actually, before we start, I got to throw out a sad puppy here for a moment because, you know, we move the show to every two weeks. We try to stay on schedule. Sometimes, you know, stuff just gets in the way and everyone's really busy.

02:51 Mo, you know, had to quit his job several months ago, and I convinced him that this podcast could be his income. And of course, like the smart guy that he is, he has another thing that he's doing while working on all things Fax Machine, you know, the Facts Fam, this podcast, all of it. And I just looked at the donations. I just want to say, I want everyone to listen really carefully to this show. And bear in mind, there's 44 clips that have been selected, curated. There's an entire story that's going to be laid out for you. And just ask yourself if that's worth anything to you and if the work that goes into it is something that you would like to return some value for.

03:35 So when we get to our donation segment, it'll be short. More show. More show. Yes, yes, more show. And I know times are hard for everybody. And we had tax day and everything, but it's got to be said. This is how the model works. If we're not getting the value back, I know Mo has other things to do. So let's not force him there. Yeah. Now that the business is out of the way. Yeah, let's spin the wheel for a second. Let's find out what is the topic for Mo Facts with Adam Curry, episode number 81. Round and round the wheel goes. Where it stops, nobody knows. But Mo knows where it is. The topic for episode 81 is.

04:17 And he can never be Tupac. And you can never be Tupac. And he can never be Tupac. He can never be Tupac. That was the voice of. I just got to stop. Stop for a minute. You asked me how I was. I'm doing well, but the Black Men Coalition have took a hard L this we last spoke. Mr. Campus Samuels passed away, and I want to put much respect on his name. I know he's a very polarizing figure, but you know, as we do around here, if nothing more, we humanize people. So indeed. And it was a shock to me because you sent me the link

04:59 because, of course, you know, a black man dying doesn't show up on my Twitter timeline, please. And I was just like, wow, it was shocking to me because I've watched his stuff a lot. I've always enjoyed what he has to say. And I think, you know, he has a lot of really valid points and very MoFax attitude towards things. I understand why he was polarized. Did we know what he passed away from? It was this sudden, unexpected. The official word is not out yet. Something concerning his heart. Like I said, it's just that that's a hard one right there because what we always talk about independent media, and that's what it allows for different viewpoints. But that's not what this show is about. But I had to use his voice for the ISO to show much respect, put all our respect on his name.

05:44 But we got to talk about the Will Smith. And oh, yeah, this is what we've all been waiting for. Oh, yeah. Oh, I wish you could see my face now, Moe. Oh, by the way, I'm sorry to interrupt. We tested yesterday, we tested Podcasting 2.0 live with video and the booster grams, which is the like YouTube super chat. We got it. It's still bailing wire and gaffer tape and stuff, but Mo, it's working. I actually, I streamed myself, which is against all of my principles. I streamed myself live and I did it through StreamYard and everything works. So we're getting very close to being ready for you guys. You see, sounding like a YouTuber.

06:28 Well, YouTube Killer is what I'm building for you, Moe. I'm building it for you, for nobody else. And for all the people that want to have the freedom of speech. That's the big thing because we see what's going on now. But not to belabor that. I know everybody is on pens and needles to get to the episode, but one more thing about the Kevin Samuel situation. Yeah. You got to see real time after show 80 how black, ugly black Twitter can be or stateless a black Twitter can be. Yes. And so that was the sad part about it. And I guess we can go ahead and get started.

07:05 And this is, we got to start at the beginning. This is Will Packer talking to Tiffany Cross about the 94th Academy Awards. All right. Next Sunday is the 94th annual Academy Awards. And this year is already bound to be different with three women set to host and the one and only Will Packer, FAMU alum and big time Hollywood mogul heading up the Oscars first ever all-black production team. I am so thrilled and excited to welcome Will Packer. How you doing? Hey, I didn't know that. What? Uh-huh. The whole production team was quote-unquote black. Except for the host, obviously. I mean, I got encounter production, but did you catch that while we got the clip stop?

07:49 Three women. Yeah. Various hues, but I mean, we can continue on. Production team. I am so thrilled and excited to welcome Will Packer. How are you doing this morning, brother? So happy to have you on the show. And thank you for being here, my friend. How are you? Of course. You kidding me. When you call, I answer. That's how we roll, HBCU family in the house. I appreciate you and all you're doing. How you feeling? I'm feeling great now that you're sharing the screen with me. And I want to get right into it because there's a lot happening in the world right now. And you know, pulling together a glamorous awards show is frequently primed for making political points. One of your co-hosts, Amy Schumer, she suggested Ukraine's president make an appearance.

08:31 So, President Vladimir Zelensky, so I found that really interesting. One, will we see Zelensky at the Academy Awards? And two, how political do you anticipate this event being? That's a good question. You know, and I will tell you, and to her credit, Amy is always somebody who wants to push the envelope in a variety of ways. And not that this is particularly envelope pushing, but she is somebody who, not even just with political statements and social impact, but also just in terms of entertainment values, comes in with a ton of really, really great ideas. And so what I would say, I can't reveal anything specific yet, but the show's still coming together, still in process, even though it's, you know, just a week away.

09:10 It all comes together very, very quickly at the end. What I'll say just kind of overall is that we want the show to be fun and entertaining. I think there are a lot of amazing spaces and platforms that are discussing what we all know is a very tumultuous time in the world, and it has been the last couple of years. What I want this to be, Tiffany, is an escape. I really do. I want it to be a celebration. I want it to be a night. The tone of it should be fun and uplifting. And it should also be something that is not just about just the Hollywood elites. Well, it was entertaining, maybe not in the way they intended. And pushing envelopes. Yeah. And there was definitely envelopes to be pushed or

09:52 conversations to be ignited from this event happening. happening. Now, I have to caution people. I've done, I've talked about this on several occasions on the YouTube channel, but this is the first time me and you actually talked about it in detail. But how you alerted me was Chris Rock just touched. Did you say Chris Rock third rail? Yeah, please, please. Well, I can probably look it up exactly. But yeah, I think that's what I said. Is hold on a second. We have it here. Yeah, Chris Rock just touched the third rail. And I think I said he slapped the crap out of Will Smith. Hold on a second. You said Will Smith just bitch slapped Chris Rock. Yeah, that's what I was saying.

10:35 I perceived that was he came up there and said something witty or funny or that way. So I looked at my phone. I was like, okay, you know what I'm saying? Well, I was shocked that he touched the third rail. But I mean, that's Chris Rock. So it wasn't until later, I think, Grump hit me up. I was like, did you see the video? And I was like, what? And the world had exploded. So it was just funny how when you said that, I took it as the last thing it would be with actually physical violence. Just one thing about Amy Schumer. I actually thought she was pretty good. She made me laugh a couple times. And I was like, oh, that's interesting because I'm not an Amy Schumer fan.

11:19 And moreover, not a fan because I heard, I think I can say this, Joe Rogan told me that comedians hate her because she's a joke stealer. And that's like the lowest thing. That's the lowest of the lowest. Yeah, you cannot be much worse than that. Yeah. Yeah. So take that for what it is. And again, I'm not a fan. I like, you know, she's got very woke, and so I don't like her in real life. But what she did was pretty funny. I thought it was okay for as long as it lasted. It was in some of it was inappropriate. You know, feeling guys up and feeling their butts. Like, okay, since when is that okay in woke world?

11:56 And it was some of that at the Oscars as well. But I guess now we got to get to because we're going to talk about Amy Schumer a little bit later. Right. Because she plays a weird, a strange role in the Black Oscars, quote-unquote, black Oscars. It's like, okay. But we'll get there. Now, this is after the fact Will Packers interviewed about the moment that stunned the world. It sounds like Chris Rock had the ability, the option, to have the LAPD go arrest and remove Will Smith from that theater that night. That's an absolute fact. The LAPD made it clear: we will do whatever you want us to do.

12:39 And one of the options is that we will go and arrest him right now. Oh, wow. Wow. Will Smith just smacked the out of it. That moment came after what we now know was an unscripted joke from Rock about Smith's wife, Jada Pinkett Smith, who's recently been vocal about her battle with Alopecia. Jada, I love you. G.I. Jane 2, can't wait to see it. All right? You're sitting monitors around. You tell me what's in your room around you. I said, watch this. He's going to kill. Because I knew he had an amazing lineup of jokes that we had. We had them in the prompter. And ultimately, he did not get to one joke.

13:24 He didn't tell one of the planned jokes. He was just immediately freestyling. But I thought this was part of something that Chris and Will were doing on their own. I thought it was a bit. I thought it was a bit like everybody else. I knew we hadn't practiced it. Not concerned. I wasn't concerned at all. He's walking. I figured, okay, you know, he's going to say something or come at him. Something funny is going to happen because that's the nature of Chris and that's the nature of Will. So let's see what happens. That is, yeah, that's true. That's what everybody expected until, of course, we all found quickly that it wasn't a bit, or at least it wasn't supposed to be.

14:01 It didn't end as a bit. And that's the million-dollar question that I've waited so long for the other shooter drop to make this show to have something definitive if it was staged or not. Because as you heard Will Packer say, he said none of the planned jokes. He just came up there and just freestyled it, which is weird, strange to do, but it would fit to leaning to the side of being staged. Now I have to ask you, which side are you on? Was it stage or do you think it was real, real or not? I think it was. Are you uncertain? I gotta give you a give you out.

14:45 No, I'm the what I saw. saw looked like every movie slap I've seen. So these are it looked to me like two guys who who definitely had have trained in the art of making a punch or a slap or something look real. I think that's what a lot of people saw, or at least it kind of felt that way. It was, you know, and I've, of course, I've watched the video in slow motion. It's very hard to tell. I don't know, but that's why it's good. So these guys, either they had rehearsed this or they've rehearsed, they've done this enough to know how it works. And so, you know, just kind of standing in that stance, it might have been muscle memory at that point.

15:26 Actually, just listening to that clip, let's just listen to it again. All right, next Sunday is the nice and up the Oscars first. Wait, was that it? No, I'm sorry, it was this one. I just wanted to hear that moment again. It sounds like Chris Rock that sounded like a microphone being hitting him being hit. It doesn't. I'm an audio guy. So I listen to this. I'm like, that doesn't sound like someone got slapped. Let's listen again. Oops, a little back. Is that we will go and arrest him right now.

16:09 Oh, wow. It didn't sound right. It didn't look right to me. And of course, the only reason why what was shocking was not even that. It's like, oh, man, maybe these guys just like to slap each other. There's, you know, there's trends on TikTok for that too. But when he started saying, keep my wife's name out of your F and mouth, you know, so that maybe that part was unscripted. I don't know. That's still weird because, like, you said everything up to the slap felt stage. But what was said after the slap, Will's part, he's a top, you know what I'm saying? Top five actors of all time. So, I mean, that's easy for him to do.

16:52 What was impressed me if it was acting was Chris Rock and the way he kind of lost for words. So, was it that because when we say staged, it could be pre-planned on Will's part. Like, if he said anything about Jada, this is what I'm going to do. Like, and not be upset about it. Because he was actually laughing when he first said the joke. And it was like somebody got a teacup out and started stirring it. And get out style and trigger his MK keys. Yes, that's you even texted me that. Said, no, Jada holds his MK keys.

17:31 I'm like, oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That set me down a whole rabbit hole. I'm glad we're doing this episode. Right. So where we're going to, I wanted to get that out the way because now we're going to discuss this solely as if it was staged, who has the clout to make this call on this stage at this night, the 94th Academy Awards, the Black Oscars. Let's see what happens. Keep my bike's name out of your mouth. I'm going to, okay? Once I saw Will yelling at the stage with such vitriol, my heart dropped.

18:13 And I just remember thinking, oh, no, oh, no, not like this. And Chris was keeping his head when everybody else was losing theirs. But my heart at that point was just in my stomach because of everything about it and what it represented and what it looked like and who was involved. All of that was just, I've never felt so immediately devastated like I did at that moment. But it still wasn't until Rock walked backstage that Packer was finally convinced that Smith had actually struck him. The winners are walking off stage. Chris is with them. And I immediately go up to Chris.

18:53 And you say what or you do what? I said, did he really hit you? And he looked at me and he goes, yeah. He goes, I just took a punch from Muhammad Ali as only Chris can. He was immediately, you know, in joke mode, but you could tell that he was very much still in shock. Hmm. Okay. So obviously, Will Packers, I don't think it's in on it. No, it's, you know, if there was something to be in on, I'd look at all, sorry to say, but I'd look at the producers. Like the other producers. The other producers. Let me start my see what he has to say about it.

19:35 He sincerely sounds like, because you could, let me translate some of the things he was saying. All right. He said in a very political way, like, oh, that sinking feeling. feeling. What he's actually saying is, they let us have the Oscars, they being black people. Yeah. And this is what happens. Oh, God, no. We're never going to get this. Yeah. You know what's interesting? I didn't know this was the Black Oscars. I didn't view it that way. Yeah, certainly not at that point in the show. At no point was I like, oh man, this is just black people Oscars. Not for, and I'm sensitive because of this show. Right. And, you know, my job in general.

20:15 So I'm always looking at that. Now, at the end, at the end of the show, what I have said, maybe it was a little skewed in the voting, maybe, but I didn't get the feel that it was, you know, the black Oscars as an. I didn't even know that it was produced by an entire quote-unquote black team. And it wasn't highly touted because I had to go to Tiffany Cross, no disrespect to her, show to find the pre-clips. It wasn't like it was a big press run to say this is the black Oscars. Some of the acts, like you said, I think Megan Thee Stallion performed. Yeah. That was kind of weird and like out of place. Like, okay. We've seen Christians Mafia, I think, performed as well. So, I mean, we've seen this before.

20:56 But there's a reason behind this being the Black Oscar so we can get to it. You wanted to say something? No, no, no. That's good. I'm all ears. Did we stop at four? I think we're on five. Yeah, we're on five. Yeah, here we go. Okay. I made that clear. Like, Rock, you tell me whatever you want to do, brother. And he was telling me, I'm fine. Let's just get past this. I'm getting out of here. I can't believe this happened. The LAPD came and needed to talk to Chris. And so they came into my office and they were laying out very clearly what Chris's rights were. And they were saying, this is battery. We will go get him. We are prepared.

21:41 We're prepared to get him right now. You can press charges. We can arrest him. As they were talking, Chris was being very dismissive of those options. He was like, no, I'm fine. He was like, no, no, no. And even to the point where I said, Rock, let him finish. And they said, you know, would you like us to take any action? And he said, no. He said, no. Yeah. That's interesting by itself. You know, he really hasn't made a statement. He took no action. He's been kind of quiet. That's all very

22:19 unexpected. I think it is, for me, it was expected because the less he talks about it, I think it helps in a couple ways. One, when he actually does talk about it, like in an actual stand-up form, it's going to be blocked. I mean, Netflix. Yeah, you know. Netflix on the phone right now. Just send over the blank check. You know, that kind of thing. And two, I think if this was set up, let's be clear. We're going down the hoax rabbit hole. So I think the people that did, possibly that could have set this up wanted him to get Will Smith arrested to make him even seem like a bigger sellout than they already think he is.

23:00 Oh, that's a good point. Yeah. It's a win-win. I mean, you take black Oscars, you take Will Smith out in handcuffs because Chris Rock snitched. That, I mean, that totally, you know, that's even a bigger story. And I think Will Packer was, I'm sure he was in that room. Like, please don't make it any bigger scene than it is. So good point. Good point. It's beneficial for everybody to keep this quiet. So now we have the smack. So now we got to go listen to Amy Schumer, how she was traumatized by the slapping. Did I miss anything? There's like a different vibe in here.

23:44 Amy Schumer, shocked and confused like the rest of us. Shortly after Will Smith slapped Chris Rock during the Oscars. Now the 40-year-old comedian who MC'd the big night is weighing in, admitting she is still triggered and traumatized by the whole thing. Just a little refresher. Guys, I'm a huge star. Look at me. How about the Oscars? You are. Can you believe it? Amy co-hosted the 2022 Academy Awards alongside Regina Hall and Wanda Sykes. And the ladies brought the funny. Getting to do this with Regina and Wanda. They are such heroes of mine.

24:24 They are comedy royalty. We've been having so much fun. I have enjoyed every second of getting ready with these ladies. But it was this joke made by Chris Rock that had everyone talking. Jada, I love you. G.I. Jane 2. Can't wait to see it. All right? Okay, so it wasn't the joke that had everyone talking. It was Jada Pinkett Smith's husband, Will Smith's reaction to the joke that had everyone talking. Oh, wow. Wow. Will Smith just smack the out of it. Lip Mike's name out your mouth.

25:06 Well, on Tuesday, Amy weighed in on Instagram saying that her friend Chris handled it like a pro. She calls the whole thing so disturbing and writes that she's still in shock and stunned and sad. She even specifically calls out the pain she saw in Will, quote, waiting for this sickening feeling to go away from what we all witnessed. Oh, wow. Will Smith just smack out of it. Just one thing. Since, you know, this is what our show is about. And it's not even because of this show. At no point when this happened, did I think, wow, man.

25:48 See, black guys can't keep it together. I did. I know you did. I know you did. And that's why I'm bringing it up. I just want you to know that I do not believe that is typical non-black thinking at that moment. Maybe later the suggestion comes from Twitter or something, but it did. And I'm very aware of my thinking in these things. It didn't cross my mind at all. I'm just saying that so you know. Because I also know that that's exactly what you thought. You're like, holy crap, this does not help. It's two things. One, it's due to what W.E.B. Du Bois called the doubles consciousness of black people.

26:31 One, we know how we perceive ourselves, and two, we know how we are perceived. And I liken that to you going back just for a minute, you not wearing a mask for the first time during peak COVID. I'm with you. I'm with you. You knew how you felt, but then you could, I guess, empathize or put yourself in the other person's shoes to say, I know how I'm being perceived by them not wearing a mask. However, however, however. Yes. If this was set up and known and publicized as the first black Oscars, like a pandemic was the first pandemic.

27:13 Now, it's very different with masking than not masking because it's a little, you know, it's more normalized. It's also normalized to not have a mask on. So there's peak, peak COVID. That's why I made that. I'm saying that specific point of peak. When you first walked into that grocery store, in that first, that first brave moment. And I know this, Mo, because that's because I had something on my exterior showed something different, such as your, but hold on, bear with me. Your exterior shows black man. My exterior shows white man.

27:54 My point is, is that these were two superstar comedians, not black men. And I believe that to be true initially at peak Oscar moment, that most white people did not see that the way you saw it either. Now, you I'm not saying that, yeah, no. So, but that's different because what you knew was, and this I agree with you with, of course, what you knew is this is going to have repercussions. It wasn't, that's why I said specifically at that moment, I wasn't thinking that way. I don't think the majority of non-black people were thinking that way. Non-colored people, let's just say it. But you knew that that was going to come and this issue would come.

28:35 And that would, of course, come from the black community itself. But it was a weird situation because, like Amy Schumer, she didn't want to, she wanted to be supportive for Chris Brock, but not demonizing a wheel. Because that's why she said I could feel Will's pain. Like, basically, and for, I think, for women, more specifically feminists, it was one, it was a, it was an awkward position to be put in to say, oh, violence is okay, and a woman, a man should take up for his woman. That kind of thing. So, yeah, that's a whole other aspect to it.

29:20 You're absolutely right. I forgot about that. That was a huge aspect. Yes. So when I was just this my perception of it, I knew every angle was going to be ran. But my first thing, my first, I mean, this is my first thought. I got to. got to get to you. Then I turned the Oscars to the Source Awards. That was my first thought because the Source Awards was known for fighting. I mean, to the point where it was spread to other different awards. And a lot of the fights, beefs were staged to promote people's albums or, you know, projects or whatever else. It wasn't like any real. So that was my thought. Like, oh, they didn't use this big stage to promote something.

30:03 It was like, does Will have a movie coming out? Does Chris have a show coming out? Of course, of course. What's the angle? Well, here's the other thing. And I believe every man who's in a marriage or relationship did this. Turn to your wife or woman or birthing person and said, How would you feel if that's my response to this joke? Did you ask Miss Facts about that? Let's listen to Tiffany Haddish's response and then we'll talk about on the other side. Would you define tonight as uncomfortable? No, I define tonight as a success. It was a great night tonight. Okay, what if you could ball out seen a man stand up for his wife?

30:44 Which we don't see that much anymore. That made me have hope. How about you? How did you feel about it? I wanted your opinion on it because you're a comedian. And so it was that thing where, like, was that joke too far? How did you feel about what Will did? Because you are someone who's done comedy and yet, like you just said, you saw a man defending his wife. Yeah. I want to know how you felt about it. Would you want your husband to do that for you if you were clearly hurt? I mean, they put her face up on the screen. He looked over at his wife. She was hurt. What would you want? I would want him to defend me. The thing that made me sad was like, this was a big night for Will. And then you saw that emotion for him. And it was like, it's just what I can't. I don't think I've still processed how this night went, you know?

31:25 Well, I just know she better take care of business when they get out. Because I know I would. If my man did that for me, I'm just saying. Yellow. Did you talk to either of them tonight? Yeah, I did. Okay, did you tell them how you felt? Oh, they know how I feel. Yes. Okay. Oh, they know how I feel. That's my friends. They know. Well, you go way back with them to some of the girls' trip. Yes. Yeah. They know my crazy. Well, it was incredible to watch Will up there, T1. How did you feel watching him give that speech? I felt very proud. I felt gratified. And I just hope that more men are like that. Care about their families.

32:08 Now, it's not just about you, right? It's not just about you, sir. What about your family? The people you create, the people that help you be who you are. That's important. That's what I think America forgot about. Wow. Okay. So, and this is right after the Oscars. This is why I played. This was like one of the first points put out there. And that was a meme that was pushed. You know, a man standing up for his wife, a man standing up for his wife. And that's why I said that. That's why I wanted to wait until we talked about it on the other side of the clip. Now, are there certain things where I will put my hands on another person or another person?

32:51 I'm not going to be that specific over my wife. Yeah, there are certain things. There are certain things that when you cross that line, when you get back in the car with her, or when you that she'll never look at you the same. So there are lines. Is this one of them? I don't, just my opinion. If they were in Hollywood, this is what happens. Jokes are told. If it's solely that joke, no. But there's more to it than that joke. Yeah, of course there's more to it. And some of that is known. But my question was: did you discuss it with your wife?

33:31 No, we actually, like I said, we didn't. Basically, we were like, did you see that? Yeah, that was crazy. Then more of the stage conversation. But my wife already knows like that there's certain yeah, there's certain lines you can cross, but I'll say this because this was this was a big component of the gender war. See, this thing didn't only cut across the race. Yeah, yeah, I know. That's why I'm so interested in it. Yeah, it's the gender thing too: of should you stand up for a woman? Was Will a simp? Did she deserve to be stood up for because the way she humiliated him in public? All of those things factor into it.

34:08 So here's, sorry. So, of course, we had this discussion and we probably had it after the meme was already launched. And in my mind, already at that point, I had a question, which I was going to ask you, which is, is this more of a black American thing? Standing up for your woman. going to fish fight more easily, perhaps. I don't know if that's true, but that meme definitely reached me. It's like, oh, well, you know, black man, black woman, you got to stand up for your woman. That's just, that's just what I perceive, not how I think. Right. Because that meme was, that meme was pushed heavily.

34:49 Yes, yes, yes. Early. You see, we said Tiffany Haddish early. So with that in mind, Tina and I were discussing it, and we both agreed that, hell yeah, I should do something, but it would be either in my moment on stage where I'd say something clever and take him down with a swift sharp words, you know, with the blade. I think that can be very effective. But I certainly would have gone up afterwards and said, what the hell was that all about, bro? And now that might come to some kind of altercation, but I'm not one for going for violence if someone does something with words and embarrassment.

35:26 But I guess the point is there was a lot more behind this. And this Tiffany Haddish meme, if it truly originated from her, from her own thinking or was pushed this way, that definitely skewed a lot of the conversation. And that was damage control. Because here's the other thing. It seemed like it caught Jada off guard because, and in the after effects, she tried to distance herself away from the slap. Like, I didn't really want him to do that. I mean, I didn't really go down that path with this. Also, I never saw, I watched all different angles. I really looked for angles of them. And I didn't see her looking something like, man, this hurts me so bad.

36:10 You got to go up there and whoop his ass. I didn't see it. That the time after the joke, okay, it's several scenes that were shot. And that's why this is another reason why I dread doing this audio because you had to see it, but I'm going to try to illustrate what was said. He said the joke, Will laughs. Then he kind of looks over at Jada. Then there's that, what transpired between them two and Will heading towards his stage, those several seconds, has never been shown. I've looked on every platform possible. I've looked at every can't find anywhere what transpired between her and him to signal to him that he had to go from laughing.

36:54 So he wasn't initially offended. No. There was something that happened between them two where he felt like he needed to do that. Yeah, and I can't, no one knows the secret signals between two people who have been in a long-term relationship, but I couldn't detect any. I mean, the only thing that came to my mind is, well, yeah, I mean, this guy is so desperate. You know, okay, from my own therapy, to me, Will has severe mother issues.

37:33 She has taken advantage of this for a long time. I was in similar relationships with different aspects. And by the way, no regrets, no one's to blame. But myself, certainly, I blame myself for not figuring out my shit earlier in life. But that was a big component because you can have a complex and issue with your mother. And we all get screwed up by our parents somehow. And that can fit perfectly like a puzzle piece into perhaps someone who has a personality such as Jada. And that really can just get bad over time. And I say this because maybe you have this clip later.

38:15 There's a clip of her, you know, showing, you know, filming Will in their house or in his kitchen. He's like, hey, you know, don't do this. And she's just acting like an a-hole to him. And, oh, see, my mom, see, this is exactly why Will sabotages everything. I mean, it was bizarre. And that to me was like, oh, my God, this is a very dysfunctional relationship. So she may not have had to eve. It could have been just a tensing of her left bicep that could have set him off because he so desperately wants to make his mother proud and happy of him. And I don't know if you've seen the two, three videos I've done on YouTube, but I did one way prior to this called A Mother's Wheel.

38:59 And it talked about he's taking ayahuasca 14 times. Oh, really? Yes. Like I said, I didn't want to rehash a lot of stuff. I know a lot of our producers listen to all the different platforms. So I didn't want to rehash a bunch of stuff and I would fill it in where I've captured. You are exactly right. He does have mother issues because he said his mother was physically abusive towards, I mean, his father was. was physically abusive towards his mother, and he felt like he didn't want, he couldn't protect her to the point he was suicidal about it. So that plays into what you're saying, you spot on. And it's good that you haven't seen it because you're hitting, you're picking up on all the signs without being this is why this show is so genius mode. This is no Barack Obama, Bruce Springsteen ripoff crap.

39:45 This is the real deal. Giving it to the boss and both. But yeah, so he has all that going on. And let's just stop dancing around it. A lot of people feel that he's, she's his handler in several ways. And in the clip that you talk about, that I don't have in here because I didn't really get into their inner workings of their relationship too much, but I think there's an underwriting theme I am going to get to. But in that clip, he said she wanted to kind of ambush him to get some promos for this doctor that promotes what's it called? Open marriages.

40:29 That's what he's talking about. Esther, I forget her last name, Esther. Was that Pearl, I think, or something like that? But anyway, he was, she was like, no, I'm not going to ambush me like that. And he said something and it was very telling to me. He said, you know, social media is my bread and butter right now. Yes. And I, and I was like, what? What do you mean? What? This guy's one of the biggest movie stars in the business. Or is he doom, doom, doom, doom? Think about it. What movie has Blockbuster has Will been in? It's several Independence Day. I'm talking about recently. See, and this is this thing. I mean, this is where, like, it's so many things, man.

41:13 I struggle with making this show. It was like, because there's the theme of when a man is old or too old, he's not a young man anymore. So he can't play the young man roles. And he's not Morgan Freeman yet to play the old magical Negro roles, which Hollywood. No, seriously, no, that's not a joke. That's an archetype that they want the older guys to play. And he doesn't, he doesn't have a footing in Hollywood because he's not the young Independence Day actor anymore. So, of course, what was the most recent? So, King Richard was, of course, this was the big, it wasn't a blockbuster as far as I know.

41:54 No, no, no, but he was handpicked for this role by Serena and Venus. Yeah, before that, it was, I guess, Men in Black, right? It was the last, the last big thing. That series dried up. It's dried up. Well, of course, you've had three, so that's done. Okay, so he's been basically in a 10-year lull. Does that make sense? If we just look at it when he said, yeah, and I'm not to not Will Smith. What I'm saying is Hollywood. That's how it works. So if somebody says that, you know, social media is my bread and butter. That was sad. And what I heard there was, I'm not giving away promotion for free to her. This is how I make my money now because them Hollywood checks are not rolling in anymore. But how does he make his money with social media?

42:39 Because I see his social media. It's funny. You know, his Instagrams are cute and he's riffing off his family. Ads, maybe Instagram pays him to place ads on his channel. I mean, I don't know how that you could be monetized on Instagram. I got to tell you, if he's worried, he can only be worried about having work because when he says bread and butter, that insinuates that it's a financial thing. That's hard for me to imagine. Is it? If you're spending it like you're making it well, there's another clip. Like, you put me in a bad spot because now I got to tell you about another clip. Okay. There's another clip where he comes home and basically Jada shoots the red table talks in their house.

43:20 Yeah. So their house is basically production stage now. Another thing, like she might be bringing in a significant amount of income to pair with this is all speculation. We don't know. We're not their accountants. But when he said bread and butter, that was like, that was a, that was the most everything else, that relationship, I was like, hold on, bread and butter. Excuse me? Yeah. Bread and butter. And that goes to show you why she has to kind of, for lack of better word, pimp out the family on the red table talk. She has to keep even him. She brought him up in there, embarrassed him about being a cuckold. Let me tell you one other personal story. And I understand part of this as well.

44:01 When, so I had, I had a big business problem in the Netherlands around 2000, around 99, 2000. Partner of mine turned out to be a crook, and I knew him. He was a friend for seven years. He had assumed identity, all kinds of crap. And when. when everything started to fall apart, there was, you know, we had businesses together, investments together, all of that got locked up by the law. So I, in essence, had no money. I couldn't, I could not access my money. It's kind of irritating. And, you know, because it was just court cases and it all got solved later.

44:38 And I was, of course, exonerated, but the pain and the and just the embarrassment and all the stuff that's going on. And in order to make money for my family, guess what I did? It's a joke there. No. The joke. Hey, Adam, this is my wife. Cindy. No. No, no, no, close. No. I started the Adams Family Reality Senior to a TV broadcaster. Of all the things you thought, it wasn't that, was it? Okay. And that got us through.

45:18 And I sat down with my daughter and my wife. I said, look, here's how we're going to do it. We can do this. We are exceptional with this kind of stuff because, of course, it's anything but true reality. It's really us, but we have our filters. We know how to do this since we've been around media so much. But it was 100%, not because I wanted to show my family, because I was out of options. So we made a reality show. So this fits into your theory that this red table, it's basically, especially if it's in your house, that you're a reality show. And that's the way I've seen that thing. And that's what they're doing. So that does add credence to the theory that they are doing this to make money.

46:00 She's doing that. Will does his thing. It is kind of sad if, you know, because he had to have had some good deals in there, certainly on even on residuals. So once again, but if you're spending it like you make it, you have a few dry years. If you don't change your lifestyle, you know what I'm saying? It just speeds up the process. And that's the thing. Like they can't afford their black royalty. They're black bullet royalty. I mean, you're going to hear this later on. You can't afford. You can't go backwards. You can't be caught flying coach. You can't be caught flying first class. You should be flying. You got to be flying private. Otherwise, you're not royalty.

46:40 It's totally true. Totally part of the deal. And to give you another scenario so we can jump back into the clips. You remember Megan Markle and speaking of another cult, Harry. Yeah, they went for the Netflix deal. They had no, but remember, they had to go live in Tyler Perry's home and live with rich friends. Cash flow is different from wealth. Wealth, yeah. Yeah, you don't have that liquid. Yeah. It's like we can't go live, we can't go live in a single family home. You know, we have heirs to keep up. And I'm just stressing that point because that bread and butter, I was going to put it in here, but it didn't kind of fit because I'm going somewhere else with it. But I'm glad you brought that up. I appreciate that. That bread and butter thing was like, ugh.

47:25 So now to reward me, you're going to make me play clip by Touré. I mean, this is not a reward, Moe. You're hurting me. You're not going to be Tour and Jason Jackson. You're hurting me now. This is faithful. Double trouble. Double trouble. All right. But they're going to unpack toxic masculinity. I can't say that I would have done something different. You can make jokes about me all day long, and I'm going to take it because Regina Hall earlier in the show made a joke about y'all got an open marriage. Will, why don't you come up here and let's talk about that? That's about women, right? Like, you could joke about me, but a joke about my wife and her body, my mama, my kids. Now you've gone too far. Mama. And like, you know, I can't roll with that.

48:10 And I noticed too, Chris Rock, of all people, made a documentary called Good Hair, which was extraordinary, which he made because of his daughter's feelings about their hair as they were coming into being teenagers. So he's intimately aware of black women's hair issues. And even still, he thought it was okay to make fun of a black woman not having hair in front of the entire world. I don't think that it matters that Rock didn't know she has alopecia.

48:49 A joke that is specifically based on a woman's physical, a specific woman's physical appearance is probably wrong, is dangerous, is probably going to rub people the wrong way. And you notice in the room, the room was definitely not like, yay, good joke. The room was like, whoa, that joke was not cool. I disagree. That's the third round. Yeah, man. You know, that's what that room was saying. Like, and that was my initial reaction because, you know, because of our work together, that's why I said, oh, man, you just touched the third rail. I'm like, that's interesting. One other question for you.

49:34 Now, this doesn't work. I'm only talking about men to men. White men to white women, and certainly in certain states, New Jersey is where I spent the most time, but I see it here in Texas too. You know, we all have some physical or we all have something messed up, right? And so maybe someone's got a limp, someone's got a hump, someone's got ticks, you know. But we call each other usually by our nicknames, which are really cool. Like, hey, Cripple, hey, Baldy, you know, and we're cool with it. Is this the same with black men? Nicknames are not, you can't self-nickname yourself, or very rarely can you self-nicket themselves. No, no, no, no, not self-nickname, but if someone comes up and says, hey, cripple, hey, shorty, hey, baldy, whatever, then that's cool, right?

50:19 That's the point I'm getting to. Oh, I see. If it's your nickname, like if you got Buck T, hey, Bucky, you know what I'm saying? Or a lot of common when it's like dark skin, they call him black, smoke, right? Or like if you're light skinned, it's red, you know what I'm saying? Or you got different names, like a big, like a great point of the dude from Friday, Tiny. I think less than less than Debo. We all even know his real name, Debo. You know what I'm saying? Don't even know the real name. Or you call a little guy Big Man. You know what I'm saying? Like that kind of thing. So because they all common, but it has to be right. But so G.I. Jane, I mean, it starts somewhere, right? Someone says, hey, man, I'm going to call you Red. I'm going to call you Smoke.

51:03 I'm going to call you G.I. J. Now, Goskin Sage, maybe not the most appropriate place. I'm just thinking it's like everyone knows each other. I mean, G.I. Jane, it's also kind of, I mean, personally, I've been called a lot of things from my hair. I'm not a black woman. But I play one on the radio sometimes. I'm thinking, like, that's not even negative. Timmy Moore was hot in that movie. You said, huh? No, because it's the, it's, no, it doesn't matter. You can't say anything about the third rail. Yeah, yeah. All these years. Yeah, I know. I know. I got you. I got you. That's the third rail of all third rail.

51:45 Like, that would be, I'm conquering him one at a time. You know what I'm saying? We're knocking them down. But like, like, even he made the movie about the good hair movie, but now we have to go back to it. Wasn't about the joke because Will laughed about it. Yeah. It was how the joke was received. Now, going back to his ayahuasca use, he said he met a woman there named Mother Goddess or Mother. And she like gives him comfort, whatever. So that goes into the mother issues. Now, on the alopecia side of it, I've watched several videos of doctors, of doctors with alopecia themselves say that they don't think

52:28 Jada has alopecia because you shouldn't have follicles left. Right. Now, what she does have is a large scar in the top of her head. Some people say that's due to surgery, facelift, that kind of thing. That's where they put the kids. Put the chips in there. It's big enough for a floppy. You know what I'm saying? Like a 3.5. It's like, you know, it goes right in there. So let me say, let me say one other thing. When it comes to ayahuasca, I have not done ayahuasca. I have done DMT twice, which to me is it's the ayahuasca without the puking for 24 hours. Okay. And but it's the, the, the, what you're doing, I mean, because with ayahuasca, you're you're gorging yourself.

53:11 And so you're, you know, you're, that's how you purge. But the DMT itself, this is very suspicious that he met the this is not DMT, it is well documented, it's really well documented. Pixies, um, things coming to life. Yeah. Some mother figure. What, what, what did he call it? Mother goddess. Mother goddess. It's a, it's a, you want to look it up, New York Post article. And we can talk about on the other side of the clip, but it says Will Smith takes ayahuasca 14 times. And like I said, I did this show two months prior to the slap because when I heard that, and this was doing the rollout of his book, Will,

53:54 they were stressing the drama. He was having weight gain problems, 20 pounds overweight, which made him depressed. He was going through the whole thing of him being basically publicly cuckholded by a younger man, his wife bringing him on red table talk. You know what I'm saying? And that was. was the if you do what you do. I mean, like, if they're cool with it, I'm cool with it. But the way she brought him up there, it was like, Will, we got to do this special. Facebook has big numbers on the table. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's how I looked at it. Like, because you're not going to take me on the red table talk. And the way she was smiling about August Al Cena, where he made her feel, and that was her son's friend. Like I said, we it's it's five shows I could have made on this.

54:38 Just to let you know, Tiffany Haddish and Chris Rock does ayahuasca. I don't know. You said Cha or I don't care. Yeah, so they take this stuff out at David Chappelle's farm. Like I said, it's so many rabbit holes. It's like, is this the new LSD? Wait a minute. On MK Ultra? What? Yeah, we're going there today. Oh, yeah. Okay. No, I like going there. But this is good because I have some experience in this area. I believe that. Go ahead. And I've only done DMT twice.

55:15 And oh, this is very interesting because I've been reading a lot about how smell influences people and can be an instant, can take you somewhere in an instant. You know, if you close your eyes, you think, remember what fresh grass smells like? Boom. You immediately have that picture somewhere. You're smelling the fresh grass. I get that playing football. DMT. Yeah. Well, there you go. DMT. That's an interesting one, Moe. I like that. I'm not, because I've never done ayahuasca. So DMT, you smoke, and that smell, I guarantee you, if I smell that anywhere, I can be transported right back to where I was when I did DMT.

55:56 If I did DMT a lot, I think it would possibly bring back anything that I had experienced during that. I've never had a bad DMT D-trip. They're not very typical. DMT, this is so good. DMT is one of the most because when you die, you actually create DMT. Your body creates it. It's part of how your passing process. So this has been studied a lot. And it would not surprise me if you can put suggestive things into someone's brain and trigger them with a DMT recall. I'm just using terms. Hey, this again, this is why we're friends.

56:41 We would do this shit even if we weren't doing a show. We talk about this. Yeah, absolutely. Now you're talking about talk because it's like all these people that's in play all of a sudden. I have dicks. So they're doing this at Dave Chappelle's ranch, man. Are you kidding me? Oh, man. Because when, and like I said, we got to get through this show, but when Tiffany had it shaved all our hair off, Chris Rock went on Ellen's show and was like, nah, she was taking shrooms and drinking, you know what I'm saying? They call it the mushroom tea. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So I don't know if it's a cold word for ayahuasca or what, but you know. Yeah, probably. Yeah. So they were out there, and then she comes back and shaves her head off, Britney Steer, Spear style.

57:23 Like, I was saying alive on camera. So, which that's, I could have gone down to Alopecians, I would say, a rabbit hole. Or what's going on here? Do we have to do a melange from Black Panther? What's all these bald people popping up all over the place? But yeah. So, like I said, it's so many. But since we're talking about Black Toxic Masculinity, I had to bring Mr. Samuels in. And I got to say, this is the first clip I ever played of his on our show. And, but I've talked about sign language from him, you know, saying his impact. But we talked about black Twitter last time. The black quote-unquote manosphere is the place where you get exiled to from black Twitter.

58:07 Right. Because like the thinking, like the more, you know, conservative thinking, independent, non-democratic thinking, masculine center, you know, it was kind of like, I wouldn't want to put MGTOW on it, but it was like the red pill kind of ideology. It was the outcast. Like, you, this is so, this is the king, Kevin Samuels, and he talks about the Will Smith slap. You got black women and black men co-signing this. Black men, I want you to be clear. If you are running out defending this bullshit, you need your head checked.

58:48 Pounding your chest, jumping out of the window, defending this Captain Sabem kind of stuff ain't gonna get you any brownie points. What the fuck are we doing, man? I am tired of no matter where a man, black man gets gets to. to, we got to assert ourselves physically or fucking. I reject that is our only way to affirm ourselves. I'm tired of that shit with black men for black men. No matter how you get, no, you can have a CEO, you can have Reginald Lewis, you can have Robert Smith and Byron Allen and Damon John and

59:27 J Prince and Master P. And y'all expect that these dudes get into a disagreement that they supposed to shoot the fairway. Man, fuck that shit. We're supposed to fight it out. No, black men are not primitive. This is not 2001, a space odyssey. We have other ways of expressing our discontent and displeasure with one another other than fighting. I agree. And anybody who supports this shit and says you for black men, for black men's betterment, evolution, improvement, black male media, black male image, and you support this, I question your support.

1:00:08 Well, that guy's clearly toxic male. Exactly. But that's why I always stress black YouTube, quote unquote, is a far better spectrum of black thought compared to black Twitter because you get a wide variety of in between the two polls. Whereas black Twitter, the algorithm is so constraint, constraining that you only get the woke ideology. So I wanted to bring that in. Now, what Kevin Samuel just said,

1:00:51 I agree with a lot of it because it's like, this is what I was saying about, oh, no, that's what Will Pack was saying. Oh, no. We've trying to reimage ourselves and not like not that it's needed, but what the mass media does is take a very small minority and make it the problem. I'll show this politically. Every time you hear a politician talk, it's like, we got to do something about crime and reform and this kind of thing. Like when you look at how many criminals it actually is compared to how many dudes is doing good, it's very, you know what I'm saying? It's a huge disparity there. But the way the memes are written is to make sure we stay on the bottom.

1:01:34 And I think this was, in my opinion, when I first heard this happen, I think this was, if it was staged, it was staged to put us back on the bottom and in a subservient, sacrificial mode that they want, they, Capital V, wants to keep us in. Well, they, in this case, were the female producers of the show. I'm just saying, I mean, it was a lot. It was a lot of pre-can even down to Pfizer, alopecia drugs. They ran with the whole alopecia thing. They ran with the whole defending his honor, her honor.

1:02:13 This is what we were supposed to do. And the thing was, this is two of the most quote-unquote non-violent or it's non-violent seeming black men in America. Yeah. That do this. That's that's why I think it was a, if it was staged, that was the purpose of it to uh maybe on a surface level to get ratings, but no, so to condemn the image of the black man. So, and I'm just, I may be jumping ahead. Tell me if I need the goggles. I'll tell you if you need the goggles. Um, so we're already figuring out that Will Smith possibly had multiple reasons he felt he had to do this.

1:02:54 One of them being finance. How about rock? He seems to be doing okay. I don't think Chris Rock was in on it. That's that. That's the thing was when we say staged, you can have something that's pre-planned. Like, I know he's going to say something, you know, to Jada or whatever else. I don't think Will Smith, Chris Rock sat in a room, was like, hey, this is the plan. You know, that kind of thing. It was, I think Chris thought Will was going to come up, do something funny, maybe grab him out of head, give him a noogie. You know what I'm saying? That kind of thing. And like that. So it was like, all right, I'm going to go along with this. You know what I'm saying? He's a professional. Did you notice how when he got slapped, that he hand never had that automatic to the face thing?

1:03:40 Right. He actually put his hand behind the back, if I remember correctly. Yeah. I mean, if someone hits you in the face, I think your first just, I mean, human response is to put a hand up to it. You know, like, oh shit. And that didn't happen. That wasn't. Maybe he didn't hit his face. Like you said, you sound like he said he hit the microphone. So, so maybe we. Will sold it, like, okay, I'm going to smack him. I know how to hit the mic, get a good sound out of it because that sound was very crucial to it as well. Like that poof, poof. You know what I'm saying? They kept playing in the ads. I mean, not in the ads, excuse me, in the clips. So, yeah, it's just that's my thing. It's just that I think that they,

1:04:21 if staged, it wasn't for Will's benefit. It wasn't for Chris Rock's benefit. And I don't think both of them were in on it. I think it could appear that way because Chris is a trained actor. He knows, like, okay, you're approaching me. We're going to do something physical, you know, that kind of thing. Even Will kind of smiled when he walked off. Yeah. It wasn't anger. Well, no, no, no, no. What I saw, I saw Will Smith playing a role walking back. You know, that's Swagger. That's Bad Boys. That's Men in Black. That's Will Smith, the actor Swagger. That's not Will Smith, the person. Right. And since we're talking about suggestive ideas being planned, King Richard was known for being, you know, protective over Venus and Serena.

1:05:06 Oh, yeah. So could he be in the method acting role of King Richard? 100%. You bet. Okay. So we agreed on that. So all right, so you're still with me. All right. So now we got to get into the drama behind Will, Jada, and Chris. Yeah. Yeah. Down to the timeline leading up to the Oscar slap. Will and Chris go way back and first worked together nearly 30 years ago. Now, which one of you handsome men's is Big Willie? In 1995, Chris was a guest star on The Fresh Prince playing Will's Blind Date, Jasmine. I hear they have nude beaches in 1999.

1:05:48 Chris and Will reunited at the premiere of The Matrix. Lot of action. Can you fight? I could fight in the movies. Very well. Out here in the street, no. Who could kick who's but everybody thinks he's apple pie? Do not get it twisted. All right? No, no, no. No, no, I just try to make sure my honey's taken care of. Hi, officer. Six years later, in 2005, Jada and Chris were the ones cast together in Madagascar. Let's not talk about that. Woo! Okay, Chris. All right now. The two appeared to be on good terms while doing press and even presented Will with a Kids' Choice Award. Hmm. Have you ever seen that episode of Will Smith with Chris Rock?

1:06:31 No, I have not. Okay, in it, I'm going to give you the imagery. Chris Rock plays two roles. He plays kind of himself in a cameo. His guy's named Maurice Something. And his Will's cousin, Hillary, is a daytime talk show host, I believe. And she wants to interview him and impress him. And the deal was, Will wants to work for Hillary. In doing so, he agrees to take out Chris Rock's character's cousin, Jasmine, who is Chris Rock in drag. The ultimate for a black man. The black man. But it goes further.

1:07:11 And you talk about MK Ultra. Blonde wig, ruby red lips, did like Melon Monroe and leopard skin dress. I kid you not. So I was like, that's very interesting on the MK trip. Yeah, on the MK Ultra tip. And then their past history between Jada and Chris, we don't know what transpired on the set of Madagascar with them two working together. So there's a lot of drama there, but I think we stopped it. Let's go ahead and go and listen to Chris Rock going on a date with Will.

1:07:53 Promise me you'll be on your best behavior tonight. Hey, Arna, always. Will, I'm serious. It's really important that Maurice appear on my show. Everything has to go smoothly with his sister tonight. I know, really. All kidding aside, Hill, I know how much this means to you, and it means a lot to me, too. I'm not going to let you down. Okay. Thank you. May I present Miss Jasmine Perry? Now, which one of you handsome men's is Big Willie? I'm ready to get my freak on. Looks like you already got it on.

1:08:42 Listen, you wouldn't want to go someplace, you know, that was a little quieter, you know, maybe darker, but I'm game. Let's do this. You know what? second thought, I think this place will be just fine. Man, freak out. So that's that's them airing together. And their history goes back further than that because Chris Rock presented Will Smith with his first Grammy. So that, like, they know each other. This is not just some random occurrence between the two. So now we can get back to more of the behind Will, Jada, and Chris.

1:09:27 Nothing but love, y'all. Then came 2016 when then-host Chris skewed Jada for boycotting the Oscars. Jada says she's not coming. Protesting. I'm like, nigga, is this shit on the TV show? It's also not fair that Will was paying $20 million for Wild Wild West, okay? Any thoughts on that? I'm Chris Rock. Hey, look, that comes with the territory, but we gotta keep it moving. And throughout it all, Will and Jada always had each other's backs. Jada and I have, you know, we weathered some storms. We have found so much happiness in our union in a way that's very different than most. No doubt their 24-year marriage is unconventional. Jada calls Will her life partner, not husband.

1:10:10 They have also faced rumors of having an open marriage. So you're getting divorced again. Am I? And I don't have a ring on. Oh, it must be true. Basically, you're like, oh, he has an open relationship. That's not exactly it. The pact that we have made to one another is that I will deliver myself to her happy and she will deliver herself to me happy. Yeah. Yeah. These kinds of deals don't work out. No, because somebody's going to make you a woman smile like you can't make her smile and then you're going to be frowning. So, I mean, that's not what happened with the whole August Center thing, but I don't want to go down that road too far.

1:10:52 I want to talk more about what was said at the Oscars 2016. Just to foreshadow a little bit, that was the Oscar so white. Yes. Yeah. Yes. That put Chris in an awkward position for Jada to say, and Will and hashtag to say, we're boycotting the Oscars. Because it was like, Chris, you're not going to boycott with us. So now it makes him look like a sellout. And I think he felt some kind of way, like, hey, this is my big break. A big chance. I mean, like, you know, to host the Oscars is a big deal on your resume. I'm like, a checklist probably for comedians, you know. Yes. Yeah. So he's like, why y'all going to do it when I'm hosting?

1:11:36 Like, can they wait the next year? So that go now. Let's go back to him calling the cops. If he calls the cops after doing this, it really makes him look like the sellout. Yeah. That was that was a non-starting option for him. He could not Will Smith taking out on cuffs? Because Chris Rock pulled a Takashi 6ix9ine. Oh, no. That cannot happen. So. Hold on. Yeah. Takashi 6ix9ine. Yeah, that's the rainbow-headed kid that rapped or snitched on all the rappers in New York. So, I mean, so you can't. If you'd have done that,

1:12:18 this would have been a 10 times bigger story if that happened. And I'm sure the people that wargame this, like, when if Will gets arrested, that's even better. Like, yes, like that. So that's why Chris was totally dismissive of the idea because he knew how it would be played. So I think it's well played by him staying quiet and let the media talk for him and let the public talk for him. So let's go ahead and I have the clip where Jada comes out and she speaks on the Oscar so white. I think she was implored to do it, but we'll get there later with this hashtag that was going around. But this is her speaking on the 2016 Oscars.

1:13:00 Hi, today is Martin Luther King's birthday. And I can't help but ask the Martin Luther King. Remember that triggered? Like, that's that's when you pull that set up. Boom, right there. That's the big joker. All right. Continue. Hi, today is Martin Luther King's birthday. And I can't help but ask the question: Is it time that people of color recognize how much power, influence that we have amassed? That we no longer need to ask to be invited anywhere. I asked the question: Have we now come to a new time and place

1:13:43 where we recognize that we can no longer beg for the love? acknowledgement, or respect of any group. Then maybe it's time that we recognize that if we love and respect and acknowledge ourselves in the way in which we are asking others to do, that that is the place of true power. I'm simply asking the question: Here's what I believe: the Academy has the right to acknowledge whomever they choose, to invite whomever they choose.

1:14:27 And now I think that it's our responsibility now to make the change. Hmm, okay. So people say she did this because Will didn't get nominated for his role, I think, in Concussion, I think it was called the movie, the NFL movie about CTE. So that's why they say she did this. But as we talked about before, the same people that did Oscar So White, April Rain, and we're going to get to her momentarily. Yes. April Rain. Yes. She was the same one behind She Will Rise, the hashtag that you're saying popularize.

1:15:13 Well, this is her actual job. Her job is a media strategist. This is what she does for a living. She's a meme master, is what she is. I mean, it has to, I mean, that's what it's all about. And these people have a lot of influence. I have to ask the question: Did she get Jada? Was she co-opted into it? Like, hey, we need a face for this. Jada, can you go out and push this? Because as we're going to hear a little bit later, I don't think Will was fully on board with her tactics. It's a house divided over in the city. They're not on the same page on a lot of things.

1:15:55 No, no, no. All right, part two of this. Yes, please. Maybe it is time that we pull back our resources and we put them back into our communities, into our programs, and we make programs for ourselves that acknowledge us in ways that we see fit that are just as good as the so-called mainstream ones. I don't know. Here's what I do: begging for acknowledgement or even asking diminishes dignity and diminishes power.

1:16:38 And we are a dignified people and we are powerful. And let's not forget it. So let's let the Academy do them with all grace and love. And let's do us differently. I got nothing but love. Hey, Chris, I will not be at the Academy Awards and I won't be watching, but I can't think of a better man to do the job at hand this year than you, my friend. Good luck. And to the rest of you, nothing but love always. That was shade at the end. Yeah, that's true. Listen to how she phrased that again.

1:17:20 She didn't say, oh, you know, you deserve this. You earned it. And I understand your decisions. No, she said, I don't think there's a better man for the job. Right. That could be taken. How I heard that is not like as a compliment. No, it's like you're hanging out your Oreo cookie. Can we hear that one more time? Then she go on to say, and then the love to everyone else. Like, no love for you, Chris. I mean, maybe I'm reaching. Space Jam reaching. Let's listen to this. Let's listen again. I got nothing but love. Hey, Chris, I will not be at the Academy Awards and I won't be watching.

1:18:00 But I can't think of a better man to do the job at hand this year than you, my friend. Good luck. And to the rest of you, nothing but love always. Yeah, no, I think it could be interpreted multiple ways, and that's why it was constructed that way. That's how I heard it because there's a different no better man to do the job at hand, and then you just went on for three minutes talking about how the Oscars are so white. And that I'm just telling you, maybe I'm just, I'm reaching, but I don't think so. And I think that's why Chris came out. It was like, you weren't invited anyway. You're not even in movies. You know what I'm saying? Like, because that's the shade. Yes, absolutely.

1:18:45 Hence, I can see her in limo or I know. I swear, this is Jada. I swear, if Chris Rotts say anything about me, oh, yeah, that's it. That's it. Anything, yeah. And that's why he went off like, oh, yeah, G.I. Jane. But did that set Will off? I don't know, but it's clear from these next clips. Will wasn't really on board with what Jada was doing, but he had to go and put out the firestorm. Let's get right out to Robin. She's got that exclusive interview with Will Smith in LA. Hey, Robin.

1:19:24 All right, George and all. Will Smith, one of the actors who many feel should have been nominated for his performance in Concussion. Yeah, he hoped to receive a nomination. Many actors hope to hear their name called Nomination Morning. But Will Smith says he's even more concerned about what he sees as a serious issue that goes far beyond the film industry. Is Hollywood like you expected it to be? And you dreamed of it as a kid. The beauty of Hollywood, combined with American ideals, is the ultimate dreams for humanity.

1:20:05 The basis of the American concept of anything is possible with hard work and dedication. And no matter your race or your religion, creed, none of that matters in America. The way you describe it. And for everyone, of course. I hate to do this, but do you hear how Will is talking? Does this sound like the Will that we know? No, not at all. At all. I only say this to point out, out of all these clips we're going to listen to, he sounds different in everyone.

1:20:51 And I don't know if it's the roles he's playing seeping in or what, but listen to the way he articulates his words. It's very strange. Work and dedication, and no matter your race or your religion, creed, none of that matters in America. The way you describe it. And for everyone, their American dream is different. It's not all the same. And they want to see that reflected in film. Absolutely. And I think that is part of the conversation that's going on right now. People raising their hand and saying, hey, I'm not seeing myself being recognized by the Academy.

1:21:36 And this is what got the ball rolling for the 94th Academy. This is where we're at now. This started in 2016. Yeah. You're going to say something? Well, no, I'm jumping ahead. I'm looking at April rain and I know it's coming. So I'm just looking at some players trying to find, you know, Curry Cash check. It's not very easy. So I'm just getting ready for you. And it might not even, like I said, it might not be about money at this point. It's about clout and, you know, who if you look at it, well, let's let's continue on. But as you've seen, the 94 Academy Awards was a perfect example of black people opening the door and holding the door for everybody else to get it go in.

1:22:27 And that's why I pointed out Amy Schumer. That's why we have all these damn, that's why we have all these damn Korean movies winning Mo. Right. So we open the door and then it's like, Amy comes in. She's like, what about Zurilinko? What's his name? Zelensky. Zelinsky. Zelinsky, yeah, yeah, that guy too. Zelinsky and the Ukrainians. While we're here, black people. Let's talk about them. It's like, hold on, I thought this was the black Oscars. And then you look at it's like two and a half women as the host. So, you know what I'm saying? They got Wanda Sykes, you know what I'm saying, representing the gays. You know what I'm saying? Not say that, the gays. You know what I'm saying? Like the black. You know, oh, we got to get her. Oh, and we got to have a feminist represent representative.

1:23:12 Oh, Amy Schumer. You know, that kind of thing. It was like, hold on, we can't get a black man up. You got Will Packer behind the scenes. Shut up. You know what I'm saying? Like, you got Denzil hanging out in the front. Isn't that enough for you? Yeah, and then Tyler Perry was there. So it was like, okay, we'll give Will an award. You know, and I'm sure they picked up the phone. And I'm doing a lot of speculating here, but I'm sure they picked up the Boulet phone, like, hey, Serena, you know that movie about your dad? Yes, yes. The 94th might be the great year to drop it. You know what I'm saying? It's the Black Oscars. We're in, baby. You know what I'm saying? And then she gets willed to do it. And all this is not happening in silos.

1:23:57 This is a lot of phone calls. And yeah, we got, we secured a bag for you for 94. But it started rolling here with April Rain. And you know what? I'm so giddy. Let's just go ahead and jump straight to 17. We brought her up so much. Okay. If you're throwing a party and you want everybody to come, equity is ensuring that there are different price points. Diversity is inviting everybody. Inclusion is actually asking people to dance once they're at the party. I'm April Rain, and this is a word. Why diversity is not enough?

1:24:34 One fateful morning on January 2015, I was watching the Oscar nominations on TV, category after category: best actor, best actress, best supporting actor, best supporting actress. There were no people of color nominated in 2015. And this was the year they gave us Selma. I took to Twitter and I said one thing: Oscar So White, they asked to touch my hair. Initially, it was how to remind people: Selma was produced on directed by Auntie Duvernay. Okay. So I'm just saying, that was a slap in the face. Like, it's not, Selma's not even nominated.

1:25:18 Auntie Duvernay, who is Oprah's pupil? Oh, oh, I want to just put that out there. What's going on here? We're going to go back to Wheeling the Firestorm, but I thought on the fly shift of clips, you know, so we can continue on. I took to Twitter and I said one thing: Oscar So White, they asked to touch my hair. Initially, it was just as snarky and as sarcastic as I meant it to be. And so that's what we were seeing with all of the responses. You know, Oscar's So White, they wear Birkenstocks in the wintertime. Oscar's So White, they have a perfect credit score, right? It wasn't until a couple of days later when I realized that people were still having this conversation and that we needed to talk about the distinctions between diversity and inclusion and equity and representation.

1:26:07 And in fact, that this was bigger than just the Academy, just the Oscars, just the movie industry. So I created Oscar So White in January of 2015. In 2016, the nominations came out. And again, there were no people of color in any of the acting categories. One time is a fluke, two times is a pattern. And I think it was in 2016 when Oscar So White truly took off because people realized, oh, okay, there is actually something here. And it was in 2016 that the Academy of Motion Pictures, Arts, and Sciences made substantive changes.

1:26:46 2016, what happened in 2016? Gee, was there a presidential election or something? Was there something that could have added to this? 45 Savage, he created a whole industry of diversity, inclusion, and equity, as I call it, DIE. I know it's DEI, but I like the other way better. Yeah. So he created a whole, like you heard her say, this is bigger than the Oscars. This was a huge windfall of cash, corporate cash. Yes. Yes. And let me tell you. Okay. So there you go. That's where I wanted you to get to.

1:27:23 Corporate cash. So April Rain was reached after she created the Oscar So White, according to the Wikipedia page. Cheryl Boone Isaacs, a woman of color, who was the president of the Academy. Or can we just say colored woman? I never know what to say anymore. She reached out, first released a statement and reached out to the timeline's a little weird with what she said that the Academy would quote, take dramatic steps to alter the makeup of our membership. And as a result, the Academy voted unanimously on January 21st, 2016, to make a variety of changes to its membership and governance policies with the goal of doubling the number of women and underrepresented groups by 2020.

1:28:09 Hello, there's nothing to do with white. It has nothing to do with black. What you mean? Well, that's what you mean. Let's read that again. That's my point. It's like Oscar's so white. Well, this is not, this is, this is, oh, yeah, okay. We're saying the same thing. Right. Yeah. That's the whole thing. It's like, how do you know that? Not a single thing about black. But, but, but then, um, as the hashtag was created, April Rain catches some fire. fire, and she gets outreach according to her Wikipedia. I can actually read it to you. She says that Overture Global reached out to her and said, Hey, let's make a content deal.

1:28:52 Now, Overture Global, I really have no idea what they are because there's a lot of impressive people on the board, like you know, from the business and from politics. They are not a non-profit, or at least they don't have any information about it. But if we look at about Overture Global, I'll just read it to you. Overture Global is a media platform and thought leadership community built to inspire those working across boundaries, industries, disciplines, and generations. Overture focuses on the intersection of innovation and our culture of change by curating conversations for young, digital, connected audience via content, online, print, video, and live events.

1:29:39 And perhaps this is where the money comes from. Its members and sponsors include Facebook, Google, Spotify, the World Bank, the Nature Conservancy, International Rescue Committee, U.S. State Department, the British State Department, and Johnson Johnson. So you're right. Big money, big money went into this. Because these huge corporations, as you always talk about, I call it the corporate credit score, but they saw the handwriting on the wall. Like, we got to write a check to somebody. Got to get yep. And this was it. This was a check. It doesn't matter to who we got to. I've saw this now and I'm free to speak of it.

1:30:22 I saw it in my former corporation I worked for. You saw all of these quote-unquote black women being brought into HR as the DIE specialists. And they created these new executive roles. And it was so disgusting because what people don't know how the sausage is made, I was in these rooms. They would basically have black people come up there and tell how they were being how they experienced racism. And I was like a very sado-masochist kind of vibe. Like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Yeah. So there's a room with all kinds of all kinds of employees. Yes. Except then you had to bring out the ones, the non-whites, let's just put it that way.

1:31:07 You just stand up and say, here's how I experienced racism in the workplace. Yes. And then they had different groups because every employee had to go to one group. They had the elderly, they had the disabled, they had the LGBTQ, they had the, and then they had the black. And the funny thing was, last time I checked, I thought Indians and Asians were minorities too, but they didn't have no empowerment group. So I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You love when I sing with the disabled folks. You know what I'm saying? And the older feeble. No disrespect. But I'm just saying, like, and when they would have you sit up there and you had to say, and I would listen, this was during COVID.

1:31:48 So, I mean, I was in the Zoom. I mean, it was Zoom rooms. And I never had my camera on at work either. So I don't feel like even at work, I didn't have no camera. I'm like, man, I'm not wearing no camera. Man, I don't put no camera. But it was like, I would listen. Like, people would come up there like it's very, like I said, this, I don't know. You know what I'm saying? What, Sato-Masochist vibe? Oh, and people are like, oh, you're so strong. And I'm like, are you kidding me? Like, I wouldn't know where in the world I would get up here in front of a bunch of people and like want to be asked to, her words, be asked to dance. That's the thing. Like, you know, tell us your vibe. And that's what they brought in with them.

1:32:30 But I know this is a long shaggy door, shaggy doll story, but the funny thing was, like, every month they were like, oh, we're going to do this for this group. The Black, you know, Black History Month. And then, like, when it got to the other groups, it's like, oh, yeah, we're donating money to this goal, this fund, or whatever. And I'm like, hold on, the black people didn't get nothing. Like, we got what? Like a special lunch? Yeah, Oscar So White went to women and other minorities. It's fantastic. Look at the representation that was from the host. Who did you have? You had the black woman, you had the older, gay black woman, Rhonda Sykes, and the feminists. That's who was up there. And you heard out of all of them who was really making demands.

1:33:14 We need, you know, saying we need Ukraine to be represented. Ukraine, the Nazis? Like, I mean, black Oscars? What are we doing here? But that's, but that's, that's the way it went. But let's see. I think we stopped at. Let's get back to Miss April Rain part two. In 2016, the Academy committed to doubling the number of people of color and doubling the number of women within its ranks by 2020. Opening up its ranks to people like Julie Dash, who is a phenomenal filmmaker, like Melvin Van Peebles, who was the godfather of Black Sploitation Films, neither of whom had been in the Academy before.

1:34:00 I just got to reward people: we talked about Black Splitation Films and rioting in the theaters. And Melvin Van Peebles is like 127 years old. I mean, so when no disrespect, but when he dies, who do you think is going to get his spot? It's like Rupe Jermada Ginsburg. You know what I'm saying? It's like, let's put the old black guy in there for representation, but we know, you know what I'm saying? Like, he ain't going to be around here long, and then we'll just replace him. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I just want to stop. This is this is this is this I had not expected

1:34:41 this. This is deep. This is deep. This is good. This is you know what the entire world was distracted and obsessed with this for a full week at minimum, two weeks. And of course, there's still a long tail of it. No one has broached any of these angles of what happened here. Not a single person. Not a single show, not a single network. Nobody. This is, I just wanted to point that out and congratulate you on this fantastic work. I appreciate that. Okay, we continue. Van Peebles, who was the godfather of Black Sploitation Films, neither of whom had been in the academy before, makes a difference because that means they're going to be viewing films through their lens, through the lens of a marginalized person.

1:35:30 There is really not an industry in the United States that is not affected by the lack of inclusion of marginalized communities. So while I didn't have a goal initially, it became really clear to me that we needed to continue these conversations in every single field, not just in entertainment. And so I'm attempting to take that on and continue discussing issues of diversity and inclusion and equity and representation. Both the terms diversity and inclusion are overused. It's sort of a catch-all, and people really don't think about what the distinctions are. So when we see that particular corporations or organizations have diversity initiatives, what does that mean?

1:36:14 Truly, they're going to put more people of color in their ads or in their magazines or, you know, shilling their product. And yet, when you look at their boardrooms, when you look at the C-suite, when you look at the higher-level employees within the organization, they look incredibly homogeneous. When someone says, oh, yeah, we're very diverse. You know, we've been very intentional about what we're doing. Ask the question: you know, what is the percentage of people of color? What is the percentage of disabled folks? All right, stop. Just stop. Stop. I need to give you some more information on April Rain.

1:36:53 So April Rain started a new studio with this global outfit. And what they started is Ensemble Studio. The F, the Ensemble Studio. It's all in the show notes. Ensemble Studio. What is Ensemble Studio? Well, first of all, Ensemble Studio creates opportunities from challenges, helps brands evolve and reach new audiences, and tries to make a positive difference to the world. We take our clients' creativity to new heights and enable each one to speak with a voice that's truly, uniquely theirs.

1:37:35 So she went on to create content. And this ensemble studio, it's well on the website, is part of Fleischman Hillard, a huge advertising company. So it's a subsidiary of, and they, I'm reading right here, international agency, 2,320 specialists across 48 offices, 31 countries, 20 languages, 11 time zones. Firm services include corporate and financial PR, employment, engagement, crisis, and issues management, domestic and international affairs, media relations, opinion research, analytics. Fleischman Hillard equips Ensemble Studio with insight and knowledge that informs and drives every piece of work, blah, blah, blah.

1:38:15 Okay, so now, so the Fleischman Hillard, now we go back. So that's who we are on their website. What do we do? Well, our approach is built on collaboration, expert insight. Ensemble Studio brings creativity to brand and corporate communications. Nicely done, April Rain. What are some of your clients showcasing clients? Let's see. The future starts today. 5G, ATT. Bear, Johnson Johnson, Virgin Money, Financial Fraud Action UK, Tyson Crook, Coffee People.

1:38:56 I mean, so they went from, oh my God, Barclays, Santander, Olympus, Phillips, Novartis. These are the people who create native ads, Twitter, black Twitter campaigns, anything to push products, agendas, DLM, ESG, DIE, LMNOP. This is evil shit. These are propagandists. Get that score up. The score you always talk about. How much money did you spend? That's right. That's right. This is the ESG. So April Rain is no friend to black Americans. She's a corporate whore. I went to one of these trainings. See, it's a lot of stuff I couldn't talk about before.

1:39:41 McKenzie had one called the Black Leadership Academy Experience. Ooh, experience. Oh, yeah. And the thing was, it was so artificial. A lot of people I know didn't want to partake in it that HR was contacting black people. That's how I got in it. They're like, oh, you're black. How would you like to be the black leadership event? Excuse me, Mr. Mo. We have it on good authority. You're a black employee. Is this correct? That is correct. We need to put you in the leadership group experience, Mr. Black employee. The day the cutoff, they were contacting people. How would you like to join? How would you like to join?

1:40:23 I'm like, this would be great for content. Yeah. Sign me up. Good man. Good man. So I signed up for it, but I don't understand how giving me more work is going to help me do my job better. For the life of me, I don't understand. But they had to get the game. They need the ESG score. They need the ESG score up because this is what's so interesting. You know, Elon Musk is normalizing ESG. He's normalizing it by saying, oh, boo-hoo, I create all these great cars, but I get kicked out of the SP 500 ESG list because racism in the workplace.

1:41:02 So we're not even asking about the fact that there's a crazy ass score that determines if companies are investable. No, we're already down to the level of, well, that's fucked up, Elon. You deserve better. You see, it's normalizing. It's normalizing it. Yeah. And that's, man, I'm trying. But this is the thing. Like I said, I lived this. I know I couldn't talk about it before, but I'm slowly. How was the experience? Was it fun? It was basically a set of they were like, it was basically like a, they write up these quizzes. Like, hey, you want to be a leader? This is what you got to do. And I'm like, bro, I've been a leader in my jobs for how many years?

1:41:42 I mean, like, what are you telling me? It's about access at this point. And then they'll link you up with one of the executives in the company and you send him an IM and he didn't respond. You know, that kind of thing. Racist. Right. It was like, I'll volunteer, but then you won't ever respond. I was like, okay, I see what this is. But I knew what it was going into. It was all about the George. This was doing George Floyd, Peak, George Floyd. Pig George. Yeah. So they were trying to get that and send the ESG score up, up, up, up. And the way they did it was how much money we spent, how many employees we got in. That's when the Coca-Cola sleeks was going on.

1:42:20 And this is what you put in your corporate report. You do it every single year and you show your DIE. Everyone has it now. Everyone has to have this. And yes, you're right. It comes down to the money. That's the score. How much money in proportion to your revenues and profits did you spend on this? You know, we could be multi-millionaires. You and I just going out and role-playing this shit for companies. We'd have a good time, too. We'd have a good time, man. Hey, I'll be the racist white guy. This is how not to do it, kids. That's the thing. But the problem is they're in an echo chamber.

1:43:04 Honestly, I think these companies are benign either way. It's like, how do we make money? Oh, it's the ESG score. Okay, that's going to raise our profit. I got to say one other thing. We may have discussed this. When Tina was at Ronald McDonald's house, I think it was, no, was it? it? I think it was. And so I'm speaking out of turn here. So I'm just saying, because she would have to speak to her experience. But in general, when she came home from one of these DIE, it was like two days. She was very impressed because she learned about a lot of things she didn't know.

1:43:45 And she just felt it was really, it made quite an impression on her of things she never thought about. Now, this is before Mo Facts. So, you know, she's, you know, and she and I both talk about how many things we never thought about. It's like it's enormous, but it's not the things that the DIE was teaching you. It's a homogeneous catch-all. The dealer to each individual group. The DIE thing is: hey, you know, I have a master's degree, but yet I couldn't get a job in this, that,

1:44:30 that level kind of, maybe a little bit more in the corporate environment, in the environment itself. And to me, it was kind of trauma-based learning, not really. Hello. That's why Pete George Floyd, they were like, put it in the overdrive. You know, that kind of thing. And it was, these are the books you need to read. That's when white vagility, vigility. Yeah, yeah. But I'm saying that it's completely the okay. I guess what I'm saying is there's so much validity to learning and understanding about your fellow countrymen that does not have to be in a corporate setting and a black-white issue. You know, go out to a bar, have a drink with somebody, talk openly.

1:45:14 You can't do that. Well, I said it's set. Maybe the word may be not homogenous, but that's the correct word in the sense of it had to fit. They weren't creative. They're like, okay, this is the plight of maybe gay people in the corporate society. This is the plight of black people in the corporate setting, not setting. This is the plight of disabled people. No, it's like, let's create one lesson plan. Like, what's your disability? Oh, you have a vagina? Okay, check. What's your disability? Oh, you have melanated skin. I see. Oh, what's your disability? Oh, yeah, you're getting old, huh? Okay. And it's like, okay, now we have a catch-all for everything instead of being specific to each topic where there's opportunities for the learn.

1:45:58 But the problem was, I'm going to tell you what the DIE went off the rails. When they turned on their white sisters, see, they got in these rooms and it was like, yeah, yeah, this is my issue. But then the intersectionality thing came up. It's like, how many, how many Girl Scout badges did you have? How many? Oh, but you had white skin. So you had to shut up. You know what I'm saying? When the brown and black women are talking. And that's what kind of created the vibe in Virginia. You start seeing play out at town halls and school board meetings. Because these people would go to work all day, be forced to see these, because you had to go. You had to go with respect to your mandatory. And then you told how bad you are.

1:46:44 You can't force people to give you that hug or their words to dance. You know what I'm saying? It's like, if you can have a meaningful conversation with somebody, go for it. But you can't hold people hostage in a room and tell them how bad they are and think they're going to accept it. You can, but those people are going to be like messed up. And that's why people were kind of scared to say what they wanted to say. Now, with all that said, now we got to go back to the firestorm because now we see you've laid out all the corporate cat cash as you do the court, the Curry cash check. And now what do they need? They need, this is my speculation, they needed a front woman, Jada.

1:47:22 The Academy is under pressure as more stars speak out about the lack of diversity in this year's Oscar nominations, including Will's wife, Jada Pinkett Smith. Let's let the Academy do them with all grace and love. And let's do us differently. You're a beautiful wife, Jada. So passionate and so powerful. Absolutely. And letting the world know her thoughts about the lack of diversity in Hollywood with her posting. Absolutely. And has been seen by millions. Were you aware that she was going to do that? No. I was out of the country at the time.

1:48:06 And I came home. What happened? What was your first reaction? Was it a fist pump or was it like, oh, she's dead. deeply passionate. And when she is moved, she has to go. And I heard her words and I was knocked over. You know, I was happy to be married to that woman. But I appreciated the push. There is a position that we hold in this community. And if we're not a part of the solution, we're part of the problem. And it was her call to action for herself and for me and for our family to be a part of the solution.

1:48:52 Jeez. He doesn't even know. No. When she's moved. When she's moved. So Oscar so white, this is just my speculation on how if it's a hoax for you hoax folks out there. Like I've covered if it was real, you know what I'm saying? That, you know, emotional. We touched on it here. Maybe it was a mother response, you know, or whatever. But if it was a hoax, who could call that shot? Who has enough clout? Now we have an interesting person to come up. Come up in this. Oh, boy. Okay. Now we got to go. Now we got to go OG buole.

1:49:32 Quincy Jones. Oh, no. Not cute. It's like running through, producing the Academy Wars, like running through hell with gasoline underwear on. No, it's amazing. I was on the board of the Academy with the music branch for years and so forth. And again, familiarity helps you go through things. But just the way it's designed, you can't yell at anybody because you're not paying anybody outside of your staff. And so the stars, you're not, you know, so then just rounding the stars up, you know, and trying to keep everybody just so that they go through to the end.

1:50:12 Because a lot of things happen, you know, the ego things happen. I don't want to be with so-and-so. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You know, I don't want him to give me the award. It's insane. But you get to see everybody the day before you shoot. That's it. You think there's three weeks of rehearsal before? No way, buddy. The day before you do the show, you have all these people with 15 minutes apiece to come in and talk about what their script is about. If they want to change this or fix that and everything. And just really, just to see each other. Most of the people you know already anyway. Never stops. And two minutes before

1:50:56 Chris Reeve goes out, Chris Reeves goes out. He says, he does not want to use the Superman theme now. Okay? You know how many people you have to load to notify to get that theme out? Forget the musical director. You got to get to everybody. Just cameras and everybody. And there's thousands of things like that that happen. The best part of the show, the important part of the show is to figure out what you can put your fingerprints on. The other stuff is fixed. It's given. And where can you touch it?

1:51:32 And then there's the serendipity that's just totally the moments that happened with, you know, whether it's with Christopher Reeves or Paul Paul or something, you know, watching his daughter get the Oscar, you know, the emotional moments. And that's stuff you can't. You just have to let it happen, you know. So Quincy Jones produced the 1996 Oscars. 20 years later, Oscar Soul White comes up. Yes. So it's not like, I mean, he's been in Wills Packer's shoes. It's why I brought him into this, but he plays a bigger role as well.

1:52:11 But like he said, you only, for the people out there, say, oh, it's staged and, you know, that kind of thing is like this grand. I think it's a disservice people do when they say things like things are staged and they think every tidbit action is staged. Like even in sports, people are like, oh, look at the score. It was 102 to 103. Like, no, no, no, it's not how it works when you rig a game. I mean, it's not down to every shot. It's just like we have our goal. And you hear Quincy Jones say it, they only go through this thing the day before. That's it. Right. The day before. Then they come back the next day and then they do a shoot it.

1:52:53 So that gives a lot of opportunity for people with agendas to a lot of freedom to move about without it being this grand conspiracy of 100 people like the cameraman was in on it. There was tape on the floor. You know what I'm saying? He stood on the spot like, no, no, no, calm down. No. Don't go that far because that's how you lose people when you go that far. It's just like, is there a motive there? Yeah, there's motive. Is it opportunity? Yeah. But when you go, like, oh, everything's orchestrated, that kind of you kind of lose the script. Well, and that's that's that's the danger of conspiracy theories, and that's why people need conspiracy therapists and analysts.

1:53:32 So that's why I did, I analyzed this conspiracy. I heard them all. Uh, that Pfizer was up to it to push their new uh alopecia drugs. Yeah, I mean, it's it's a lot of smoke, but they were talking about that six years ago. I mean, so who knows? But did somebody in the Fort Pfizer Board like, get our name, get out, get a meme going for us, you know, to get our name out there in the circle. Probably, but I don't mean they were in on it, you know, the whole scheme. But what you hear, what you heard Quincy saying that, I mean, this, this is the guy, he's a producer who really understands the final product. That's what I like about what he was saying. You know, he's like, you know, here's the magic that makes things happen, good, bad, or indifferent.

1:54:16 And I like the perspective that he's he's in the Oscar circles. See, because there, there's as we're starting to see, there's everybody wants to say, oh, the blacks or the gays. There's different groups inside these subcategories that don't agree. Like you have a Quincy Jones and a Chris Rock and Whitney. I mean, Whoopi Goldberg, she was very supportive for Chris Rock, you know what I'm saying? When he did the 2016. So it's different groups. So we got to remember that. So Quincy Jones had a different mindset other than boycotting. Anything you want to say before we play the next clip?

1:54:59 No, I'm ready for him. All right, this is on him on why boycotting won't solve diversity. What do you make of people saying we should boycott this year's Oscars? Boycott doesn't do anything. It doesn't accomplish anything, man. It's a confrontation, but it has no solution. I don't believe in that. All my life, I've always made a problem and turn it, convert it into a puzzle. I can solve puzzles. What is the solution to the fact? What is the solution to the fact that Oscar's so white? Later, we'll let you know later. This is complex, man. Very complex. Were you surprised? I used to be on the executive committee. I was one of the first. I was the first black on the executive committee. We changed all the rules for the song category and allowed the Beatles to win for Let It Bell Isaac Hayes with Chaff, the Prince with Purple Rain.

1:55:45 And did you ever think the Oscar would go to three to six Mafia for its hard out here for a pimp? Please. Please. Yeah, all right. So you see, he didn't have much to say about the Oscar so white situation. But the time came, and now Chris Rock goes up for the, we're still in 2016 just to keep people where we're at right now. And he goes out and calls out the her calls are out in the monologue. I'm here at the Academy Awards, otherwise known as the White People's Choice Awards.

1:56:28 Chris Rock tackled diversity head on during his opening monologue at the Oscars, delivering jokes that were both hilarious and poignant, like this one, where he called out Jada Pinkett Smith for boycotting the show. Isn't this show the TV show? Jada boycotting the Oscars is like me boycotting Rihanna's panties. I wasn't invited. Jada's mad, her man, Will, was not nominated for concussion. I get it. I get it. Tell the truth. I get it. I get it. You get mad. She said it's not fair that Will was this good and didn't get nominated. Yeah, you're right. It's also not fair that Will was paid $20 million for Wild Wild West, okay?

1:57:14 The comedian kept things mostly lighthearted, but ended on a serious note, offering his perspective on the Oscar so white controversy. So it's not about boycotting anything. It's just we want opportunity. We want the black actors to get the same opportunities. And white actor, that's it. Immediately following the monologue, stars praised rock on social media, including Amy Schumer, Oprah, and Ellen DeGeneres. Hello, nice crew. I ain't staying in the mix. I start looking at her differently. Like, she's in the mix because she playing both sides.

1:57:57 Notice with the monologue, she's like, oh, I'm there for Chris. And then she gets in with the Oscar So White crowd. crowd. Or let me ask this question before we get into the donation segment. Was the 94 Oscars the result of the Oscar so white or the solution to solve Oscar so white dealing with Quincy Joan and his crew? I would say that it's a follow-on from Quincy. That's what would make sense to me. Right. Who do we know? Who do we know? Who do we trust? All right, let's get Quincy in. He'll get Will Packer. You know, but also, Quincy has an intimate, very long-standing relationship with Will.

1:58:43 Oh, we're going to get there. Oh, we're going to. He produced Fresh Prince of Bel Air. He intimate. Oh, Mo, Mo. No, don't tell me. I'm going to just put my goggles on. I can't watch anymore. It's too much. All right, let's take a cool. Let's take a break. This is a nice place to take a break. Okay. Let's thank some people. First, the white man and the black man have to be able to sit down at the same table. The white man has to feel free to speak his mind without hurting the feelings of that Negro. And the so-called Negro has to feel free to speak his mind without hurting the feelings of the white man. Then they can bring the issues that are under the rug out on top of the table and take an intelligent approach to get the problem solved.

1:59:26 That's the only way that they'll ever do it. And that's exactly what we've been doing. We've been talking about it for 81 episodes now, and we continue to do it. I'm not going to grouse about donations. We already did that at the top of the show, but this is a value-for-value proposition. Tell me you've heard anything regarding this topic of any value anywhere that compares to this. I don't think you'll find it. It's all been show business drivel. It's all been corporate crap. This is the real deal. And I think we've learned a lot of interesting things about each other and are thinking along the way. And so this is where you can support the value that you've received by returning the value. It's that simple. Just put down a number. There's many ways that you can send it to us.

2:11:36 And you can always use a modern podcast app to send us the preferred way of the future. We'll be talking about that in the next segment. Until then, thank you again for supporting episode 81 of MoFax with Adam Curry. All right. So we heard the monologue. We've heard about the slap. But what I want to do is humanize the two men that were in this event. I'm going to start with Chris Frock, and then we'll move on to Will Smith. But we got to look at their childhoods because we always like to humanize. See you like you brought up with Will Smith and his mother and his experience with her, how it may have led to it. I want to show how, like I said, these are the good guys of Hollywood.

2:12:20 These are the guys like, or celebrity. I mean, like black celebrities, like, okay, those are the quote-unquote, you know, acceptable family friendly. Yeah, these are nice black men your white daughter can come home with. Yeah. I'm serious. These are the non-threatening black men of Hollywood. That's how I think, and I think that's why if it was played out like I think it was played out, they're the perfect two to show there's no good ones. You know. know. It's like, let me let me lay something out here. Oh, yeah, that's that's sad because I want to lay this out: how

2:12:58 if it ever becomes popular not to buy on with the wokeism that they try to force down our throat with black Twitter, with DIE, with all this woke agenda, and black men are truly representative as the more conservative people that we are, not politically, I'm talking about socially. And we also want to celebrate our individual identity and not be told to shut up and just stay the bottom. That interrupts the whole agenda. That because that opens it up to right now, you even hear everybody else.

2:13:40 Oh, the Hispanics are going to that 70, 30, 40, 60 split voting, right? The black block is the only block the Democrats can count on. And if that ever gets to, we saw with Trump, you know, he doubled for 2016 to 2020 in black women and black men that voted for him. And like I said, you know, I stand on voting, I don't vote. But the reason I'm saying this is you think this slap won't impact the image. And this is something that Kevin Samuels used to bring him up once more time was all about our racial image. And that's what pissed off a lot of people about him because it's like, no, we won't be your sacrificial lamb.

2:14:23 We won't be the bottom. You know, as he said in the clip I played in him, it's this brute thing they want to have with us. Like, oh, me, me mad. You know what I'm saying? Like, and to take two good guys like this and play that out on an international stage kind of took a little bit of the wind out of the sails of the movement of black male independence. Question. So now we come back to what I said earlier. It's taking it out for you, for yourselves, but perhaps not so much to the rest of the world.

2:14:59 I know it's much deeper than that. You and I know much better, but to superficial people who just kind of like, eh, I don't know if they feel like black men are any worse than they might have thought or not thought. This is important. Intra-community. This is important. This is very important. Intra the quote-unquote community because it's like, this is your leadership. Like, this is who you want to follow. You know, just, you know, that's the whole point of it. It was, because this thing might not bleed over the all the entry, like I said, the intricate details didn't bleed over the timeline into your group at all at all. No, this is why I'm bringing it up because all these things almost seem self-imposed, but I understand what you're saying.

2:15:44 Now, this helps a lot. Right. Because this is gets them back on the booty to the polls. You know, this, the brute mentality. And that's why Kevin Sam was so savage about the way he came at it. And I felt the same way because it's like, oh, this is the destabilized image of black men, the way it played out. But now we got to go and look at the background of these two men, which I don't think many people talked about. And this is Chris Rock before the Oscars, Chris Rock opened up about the childhood trauma he experienced. Sunday Night's Oscar Assault is still very much an evolving topic. And people are focusing on a podcast from back in January where Chris Rock recounted how a violent incident from his childhood impacted him later in life.

2:16:28 Take a look. In my childhood, I was bullied ridiculously. Half of it, the bullying is because I was just a little guy. And then I got busted to school. So I got, I was a little guy and I was black. One day, a guy really disrespected me really bad, like mushed me at a party. And I went home, I put a brick in a book bag and smacked this guy in the face with this brick and then stomped to Joe Pesci style. Now, to the point, we thought he might die, as my shrink puts it to me. You have been scared to be angry ever since. So the guy you saw was bending over backwards to be nice because I was so scared of my anger.

2:17:12 You know, and the question is, did the incident have anything to do with the way he handled things at the Oscars or was he being the adult in the room? I think both things are true. And I want to ask people why you think he would have indulged in a brawl on a stage in front of 3 billion people. Why wouldn't he be the adult? I keep hearing that. And people keep saying, people are going to, you know, think of black people the wrong way. Well, let me tell you, they should be looking at us saying, oh, okay. he didn't indulge. He didn't. There's nothing wrong with what he did. So there's no reason for anybody to have any issue with black people.

2:17:54 You have an issue with Will Smith and what he did. Yeah. He doesn't represent every black person on the planet. Stop doing that. Wow. So Whoopi just putting it out there. If in case it hadn't dramatized you about Black men, here's something to not think about. Right. That's horrible. I don't think, I don't think she intentionally done that because she's on the remember, she was supportive of Chris Rock and doing the Oscars. I know, but she brought something up that her predominantly white audience wasn't even thinking about. This is my way. See, that's why I like her. I didn't. So you're saying, don't talk about what I'm going to talk to you about kind of situation.

2:18:34 Think about what I'm about to tell you. No, what I'm saying is she's propagating the trauma interracially. Right. I don't understand why. Because I don't think that that was. People are looking at two actors. Their audience looked at actors. Their audience weren't thinking about that. Now they are. Right. That's what I said. Don't think about what I'm telling you to do. Yes. Yeah. So now it's like, it's like when people say, I got something to tell you, but I'll tell you later. Yeah. It's like, now I'm going to think about it. Yeah, exactly. Oh, just tell me. No, no, I'll tell you later when I got time. Like, that's a very manipulative. I didn't look at it that way. That's very, that's a very interesting. I was, I'm going to tell you how I heard it because I like doing this when we hear something here, too.

2:19:17 Yeah. Of course. I was hearing her say, like, all black people don't think this way. It's okay to go up on the stage and smack somebody or get into a brawl with people that you were hearing from Tiffany Haddish. You know what I'm saying? Like, the violence is not okay. Let's listen to it again. Okay. It's worth it. I like that. I love it when we hear things differently. That's what makes it so beautiful. Let's do it again. Sunday Night's Oscar Assault is still very much an evolving topic, and people are focusing on a podcast from back in January where Chris Rock recounted how a violent incident from his childhood impacted him later in life. Take a look. Okay, so this makes sense right now. This is actually great information. This is just as, you know, everyone has trauma.

2:20:01 And I'll skip past the part of him retelling the whole story. Okay. But this is good. I mean, this is, and that's an interesting topic that she's bringing up. So, okay, this is why Chris Rock may not have fought back. It's because this is his individual trauma that he actually went to a psychiatrist for. Was bending over backwards to be. You know, and the question is, did the incident have anything to do with the way he handled things at the Oscars or was he being the adult in the room? I think both things are true. And I want to ask people why you think he would have indulged in a brawl on a stage in front of 3 billion people.

2:20:41 Why wouldn't he be the adult? I keep hearing that. And people keep saying people are going to think of black people the wrong way. Well, let me tell you. No, not people, black people. That's the thing right there. They should. And also understand the view is highly scripted. This was premeditated that she said this. Point taken. So, I mean, that just goes to show you that that racial image is always being thought about to say, okay, we don't want to be seen like, you know what I'm saying, brutes or whatever. Hey, hey, hey, welcome to my club, brother. What's that?

2:21:23 My club is everything a white man says has to, you have to filter it. Is this racist? I'm going to say, am I saying something? Am I out of am I out of character? Am I saying something that's wrong? Am I going to hurt someone's feelings? I'm not putting me above you. No, no, it's not saying it's different filters. I mean, it's the same. This is what brought us together because it's different filtering mechanism, but the fact that the filter's there that, you know, I like to go back one minute when even when, what's the lady from the tall lady with the short hair on Good Morning America? I forget her name. Robin? Robin. When she started to talk about Jada, she was like, you're a beautiful wife.

2:22:06 Isn't she amazing? Like, she had to, even when it's talking about one of her sisters, she had to lay it on thick before criticizing. It's different filters for everybody. And what we do here is to have an honest conversation. I don't worry about you being offended. You don't worry about me being offended. And it's really a rare space because everywhere else you have to think about it. Even if you go on, perceive what you thought about before thinking it. The fact that you had to think it, that's the real mind control. Exactly. All right. So. yeah. So, now I want to get into a little bit deeper of the abuse that Chris Rock experienced.

2:22:47 This is a horrible existence. The closest character I can relate to is Tim Robbins in the Shawsheck. Every day was hell. I was a nigga and I got fucking my ass beat and I got physically fucked up and sometimes some sexual shit happened. And yeah, like I wasn't rape, but rapish. Okay. I found that to be like, I need a follow-up question. I mean, rapish. Rape-ish? So, and

2:23:29 to go back when Chris Rock's talking about it. When he says that, I heard banjos playing for some reason. I don't know. Right. Like, yeah, deliverance, right? Yeah. Wow. Okay, Chris. Yeah, I'd be traumatized too, brother. But nobody asked a follow-up. Oh, no. Of course not. That would be journalism. Stop. And also, nobody care. I mean, if nobody care, it's the shows I'm going to start having to talk about and some topics I'm going to talk about. Nobody cares about black man abuse. Nobody. I mean, like, we're as a demographic, we're one of the most abused people. Look at prison rape and all these things. They're trivialized, it's jokes, it's comedy. You know, so

2:24:13 like, oh, you got, I mean, like, even him being bullied on the show, everybody hates Chris. Some of that is portrayed out, but it's done in a self-deprecating humor kind of way. And that's that thing I told, like, I talked about before with me. I'm serious because everybody expects you to laugh and joke and not be serious because you don't want to seem intimidating or that kind of thing. That's that filter. It's like that was a thing. Like, he doesn't want to be seen as angry. So you got to smile and just take it. And no, we're not going to take it anymore. You know, it's a cute music. But that's where we're at with it. And that's, I think, that's what they're trying to put a wet blanket over.

2:24:55 It's like, no, you can't have men in general, black men, more specifically for my case, saying what they feel. Like, that's a bad idea for a certain group of people to say what we sign on to and what we don't. And it's the same thing for your group. Like when you start taking out the filters and saying what you want to say, then we can get to some common ground. And I think that's the real thing they want to stop. So now that's his trauma, childhood trauma. Let's go over to the other side. And race plays a lot into it because he was going to a white school. Now this is Will Smith talking about racism in his career and childhood. Early on in your rap career, you write about facing constant criticism.

2:25:38 And I love this quote. You say, at Catholic school, no matter how well-spoken or intelligent I was, I was still the black kid in Winfield. No matter how up I was on the latest music or fashion, I was never quite black enough. I became one of the first hip-hop artists who was considered safe enough for white audiences. But with black audiences, I was labeled soft because I wasn't rapping about hardcore gangsters stuff. This racial dynamic is something that has plagued me in various forms throughout my entire life. And I wanted to ask you, how have you navigated what you call this racial dynamic? So the elixir for me has been comedy.

2:26:23 Comedy crosses all divides. If you learn how to make people different wheel. Yes. Yes. Very different. I just want to point that out. I mean, when we listen to Will, listen to all the different wheels because that's very jarring. It's very jarring to me. That is. When you listen to them in different spots. That is so true. That is a completely different will. Interesting. All right. Comedy crosses all divides. If you learn how to make people laugh, it's like

2:27:03 it's the sugar for anything else that you want to bring to that person. People are wide open when they're laughing. Right. So for me, throughout my career, the bigger the laugh, I realized the less I was the black dude. Really? Really, no. So, you Chris Rock dealt with the same thing.

2:27:40 Yeah. Not being black enough. And I want to make something clear. There are black comedians and actors that are seen as the black, white comedians and actors. Like they, they could. And it's bear with me to try to explain this. Sure. Like David Chappelle, he doesn't make black comedy. Chris Rock didn't make quote-unquote black comedy. No. And it is weird. Like I said, Wanda Sykes, another one. The one that addressed it the best was Wayne Brady when he was on Chappelle.

2:28:20 Because they kind of acknowledged it. Like Wayne Brady is like a show tunes Broadway kind of act. It's not black targeted media. Let me be clear what that is. It's funded by the same people, but it's targeted in a different way. You even have this in YouTube. You have black targeted content creators and you have black content, you have content creators who happen to be black. There's a difference. And I just want to point all this out because this is why the rub of Chris Rock being told you're the best guy for the job. You know what I'm saying? Like, what does that mean?

2:29:05 And I'm sure Will could empathize with him because he was this, like you said, the safe black guy to bring home to your parents. You know, nobody wants to be safe. I mean, just be let's just be honest. I mean, like, nobody, that's not a, it's something that you want to be. That's not something you want to be known as. Right. Like, it equates to boring, it equates to lame in a way. Yeah. So I just want, I just want to point that out. You know what I'm saying? That's that. I think that's why 2016 was the real rub. And what we saw play out this year was just a result of that.

2:29:50 Oh, you're the best guy for the job. You know what I'm saying? I could hear how Chris heard that. What the hell you mean I'm the best guy? Yeah. For that racist white show. Yeah, go tap dance, Chris, like that kind of thing. Like, I know exactly how he heard it. And yeah. So, and I'm sure Chris knew as well. But let's get into the second part of Chris and Will and Racism. Right? The bigger the laugh, the less I was the soft dude. Right? Laughter trumps everything.

2:30:27 Right? And it's a magical, it's a magical energy that connects people, and that it, for a brief moment at least, purifies the poisons. Yes. And you're not in any way marginalizing or minimizing overt racism because you say every encounter I ever had with overt racism were with people I estimated to be weak enemies at best. So overt racism, although dangerous and ever-present, never made me feel inferior. I thought that was so interesting. I felt the same way. So I was raised to believe that you can encounter any situation, racist or otherwise, hard work, education, and God will topple any and all obstacles and enemies.

2:31:14 And I wonder how did that affect you moving through the world of power as a black man? So it's funny. Tyrese called me one time. He was going through something. Who's Tyrese? Tyrese from Transformers, Fast and Furious. Got it. Got it. Got it. And he was mad. He had just left a meeting or something like that. And he said, man, what I got to do to walk into these meetings and have them not look at me at just a nigga walking in the office.

2:31:57 And I said, well, you got to stop thinking of yourself as walking in the office. So a couple of things I want to address. One, he brought out magical. And that's why I was talking about the magical Negro. And what that is, is, like I said, it's a stereotypical role. And it starts to stick with you off the screen. That's just like Morgan Freeman. He's seen as, you know, God. You know what I'm saying? Like, all the present God. this kind of thing. He solves everybody's problems. One of the best magical Negro roles that was examples that was played was Will Smith in the legend of Bagger Vance.

2:32:40 And what it is, is you're a black man, but your whole goal is to be the savior for white, well, white character. You know, it's like it's not about me. I went, I suffered so I can be this safe character that'll sacrifice, once again, sacrifice my own wants and needs for your improvement. And like I said, Bagger Vance was like one of the go-to textbook examples. And it's fun. I'm going to turn it over to you, but I just want to point out one more thing: the determination, hard work, and God.

2:33:25 Notice they, when two bullet members are sitting down and having a conversation, they can say that. But if you say that like out, it conflicts with everything the Democrats or liberals think. So Oprah can't say that out loud. I mean, like, use her full voice to say that. No, she says, in fact, she used it as other people saying it. This is what people, it's not herself, other people. Right. But they both agree that's how you do it, but they can't do that because that ruins the whole victimhood DIE grift.

2:34:06 See, it's a very nuanced conversation. It's a very nuanced conversation. And it's gas and breaks. It's like, we can't go too far with that God and determination thing, but we're Boulet brothers and sisters. We can have this conversation amongst ourselves. So, yeah. So, I mean, it's very, like I said, it's very many layers to this. But going to the next clip, I think this, and this is a long clip, so stop it where you want to. But I left all the music, the fanfare, everything in because I believe this was the passing of the guard from Bill Cosby to Will Smith.

2:34:52 Oh, my. Okay. That's some interesting shoes to fill. Now, just listen to the research. This is older. I think it's like 98, 99 Essence Awards, if my memory serves you correctly. But listen to Bill Cosby's reception in the room. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome A Man Who Says the Darndest Things, 1997's Essence Award recipient, Mr. Bill Cosby. Yeah, that's when he had kids say the darndest things, a TV show. It was very popular. Yeah, this is what this is him at his peak. Ultimate peak. Yeah, peak.

2:35:46 Listen to the pause. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Standing ovation. Once upon a time, there was a young guy from Philadelphia named Will. In many ways, he was an ordinary fellow from a nice home living off of his parents.

2:36:30 And while he did that, his parents taught him right from wrong. But he found that he had an extraordinary gift and it turned him into a fresh prince. He could fashion a rhyme at the drop of a dime. All the neighborhood kids marveled at this ability, which he most often displayed at parties with his best friend, DJ Jazzy Jeff.

2:37:16 And the granny goes to Will Smith. Jeff and I never really. wanted anything other than to hear our record on the radio. That was like the big dream. And in like June 1986, you know, Jeff and I, we were at my father's business and we saw a guy riding by bopping his head to girls ain't nothing but trouble. And from that point, we've been completely beyond anything we ever dreamed. Just last week, when I was and if you heard that, you could hear Chris Rock presenting the award, the Grammy Award to Will Smith. So I'll just let you know that there's history between those two.

2:38:00 No kidding. Because in these award shows, I don't know if people knew this or not. You can select who you want to give you your award. I mean, everybody knows who's won. That's why they know to show up or not. What? Oh, no. Yeah. But, because you saw this with Kanye and Ludacruz when he first won his Grammys, him and Ludacris were very close. So that was that, I think that's an indicator to how close Chris and Will were prior to this whole situation. All right. So, Fresh Prince, I think this goes to your point about letting a young black man into your home.

2:38:42 That was a big deal, that show. Yeah. So that Monday slot, NBC, NBC, Cosby, this show was created by Quincy Jones. You hear Oprah, you know what I'm saying? Like, I want to stress the point that Will Smith is super duper bullet. Like, all the old school put their hand on him. Like, they were saying that clip between him and Bill Cosby, he was pretty much the Barack Obama of Hollywood. He was. And there is a resemblance between Will Smith and Barack Obama.

2:39:19 You know what I'm saying? The ears and everything like that. So just don't let that slip past you either. But this is the story of how Fresh Prince became the Fresh Prince. Before I was getting in trouble with Uncle Phil, I was in trouble with Uncle Sam. Me and Jeff had come out with our smash hit. Parents just don't understand. We made a bunch of money. We won a Grammy album with triple platinum. I had motorcycles and cars. I called the Gucci store in Atlanta and I was like, hey, will y'all close it down if I bring my friends? And I'm smiling, but that's stupid. We released our next album and it was like a flop.

2:40:02 It was a tragedy. It went like double plastic. I had spent most of my money, like all of it. I spent all my money. And I didn't forget, but I didn't pay the IRS. In my mind, I mean, I wasn't like trying to avoid paying taxes. I was just like, oh, damn, they need their money. The IRS took all, took all that stuff. So I was like, broke, broke, broke. Being famous and broke is a sucky combination. Because you're still famous and people recognize you, but they recognize you while you're sitting next to them on the bus.

2:40:42 And the stuff they ask you to sign on a bus. You know, like, oh, can you sign my baby? That's a sharpie. I probably shouldn't. She's right on the baby with that. Oh, you're too big to sign my baby. Well, no, I mean, you know, so I signed it. This is so telling. Yeah, see, you knew all this stuff. Okay. I didn't know this. I know Will Smith from then. We both performed. Well, he performed, I MC'd at the launch of Sonic the Hedgehog, the launch of the video game, and hung out.

2:41:23 You know, kind of like backstage hanging out. It's nice. Really nice guy, really thankful for where he was and everything. And that was indeed around 86. I think he had something to do. I think he might have had something to do with that, with the soundtrack to the game or something. It doesn't matter. But the fact that he went completely that he completely blew all the money. Yeah. Yeah. This is the pattern. And is it the pattern to leverage an asset? Because it's too far, it's far too common happening that they get celebrities

2:42:04 into tax trouble. They can leverage you well. Let me, he said something else that's important to understand. Go ahead. Because I've been a little bit in this trap. But so being what he says, being a celebrity and broke sucks. Being a celebrity and making. making not celebrity money sucks. So that was MTV for me. MTV, I'll tell you. I'm not complaining. I made my first year $150,000 working at MTV. The second year, $175,000. I never made more from MTV than that. Now, other things I did, I did okay, but that was the MTV money. So when you're Adam Curry, leather jacket, big hair, and MTV is flying your coach down to spring break.

2:42:49 You got to understand it's weird. So this is why, because it goes back to what we said earlier, there's certain things expected from celebrities. It's a facade. It's the magic of being a celebrity is that you fly. Someone offered for the, now, luckily, I'm no longer in mainstream, so I could be really honest. And everybody knows, you know, I make my money from value for value. And that's sometimes good, sometimes not. But we were flying to South Carolina. We had, you know, take two planes to get there from Texas. And someone kindly sent me a note and said, hey, you know, if you get stuck in

2:43:34 Atlanta, if you're going through Atlanta, I'm about an hour away and I could drive you the rest of the way. But the sentence read, if you're flying commercial. You see, people think that Adam has private jet money. Yeah, you know, yeah, you know, you hop off the PJ. Exactly. Popping some Don. You know what I'm saying? Popping some baby. Just to know that you still are a high value man and making $100,000 a year. So we're saying, even at the time, you were MTV. So no worries there, but they expect you to get all popping the Don, popping the champagne. Yeah. Throwing $100 bills at the every flight attendant.

2:44:19 That's the thing. But it's a trap. It's a trap. And when you're young and impressionable and there's no, you don't get a manual. Like, hey, you're on TV. You're famous. Here's your hand guide. You don't get that. Now, I was very lucky. My first wife, she was very smart, but she would do two things. She would say, you're not going out to party because they're all losers and it only ends in tears. And I think that she's right about that. But she would also say, you're going to pay the extra half to fly first class. You can't fly coach as Adam Curry, the celebrity. And so I literally. You can't. I literally would take money out of my own pocket to go do work for MTV.

2:44:58 And you know what? In the reality world, reality TV world we live in now, this is the peer pressure. And this is why everybody just checks boxes. This is why all the doctors, just as a quick aside, all the doctors that went along with the couf, the same thing. Hey, I got a lifestyle to maintain. You know what I'm saying? You want me to take a stand? I don't think so. Except for... My friend Mo Fax didn't do that. Because you got to be able to live with yourself. You see what I'm saying? But that's the thing. Like real estate agents is another one. You can't pull up to the house trying to sell a car. I mean, trying to sell a house and an 89, can be a 98 Camry.

2:45:41 That can't happen. You got to have a nice... You know what I'm saying? I was wondering what car you'd come up with. Yeah, I mean, yeah, because you got to have a certain, you see it all the time on the road. You know what I'm saying? The realtor license plates and the little magnetic on the door because you had to look the call and look the part. Yep. You know, you have to look the part. And this is why I said, when he said that bread and butter thing. Yeah. That rung the bell. I know what bread and butter mean. Podcasting is my bread and butter right now. You know what I'm saying? Now I have some auxiliary things going on. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? I ain't a fool. But when you say that,

2:46:19 that stood out to me because I'm like, oh, yeah, this is celebrity life. You got to, and you really got to go harder when you're down. Yeah. Because you can't give any inkling of a fall off. Oh, no, you can't. Once you fall off. Yep. And maybe now you just get me another conspiracy to analyze. Maybe this would be the excuse for the fall off. Like, you know, hey, they took, they took, you know what I'm saying? They won't let me add in no movies. You know what I'm saying? And then you'll be a heroic figure to bounce back. Ooh. Well, that's, that's another. America loves a great comeback.

2:47:01 We do. We love coming back. When he comes back, oh, when we'll come, no doubt about it. When we'll come back, because he's coming back. Oh, yeah. Now, will he come back like the Black Mamba and Kobe after the rape charge and get some taxes? tats, maybe a face tat, you know what I'm saying, be true, Trill Smith. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, you know, that I could see him playing the character he plays in the DC comics, like him taking on that persona, you know, of the bad boy. But there's going to be a second, there's going to be a second act to this. Trust me. Oh, I'm with you on that. And we'll be around for it too. And well, it might be a third act because I think where I'm going with this is

2:47:45 he had hit rock bottom, right? Yeah. He has the appeal, but doesn't have the money. So he's floating around Hollywood and they're like, oh, okay, you're down to your luck, huh? We can basically use you any way we want to. We knew what Will First Big Acting Role was. Outside of, you know what I'm saying? First Prince, that was when he had to play that gay role. And that had people, you know, saying look at him side eye because that was like a in a sixth degree of separation. That was very, that was very for the time to play that role that was very

2:48:26 pushing the balance. It was polarizing, maybe? Well, not even that. I'll say this. It shifted the Overton window because even Denzel, he got, you know, saying, like, people like, I'm not sure about you in Philadelphia, you know, with the gay guy that had AIDS. And so for a young black rapper to play that role, that shifted the whole Overton window. And Will's kind of been that figure to shift it, you know, to open marriage, to feral kids, to, you know what I'm saying? Like, he's been this guy to push these boundaries. And I'm just wondering, is this the same case? So let's get back to the story time of Will Smith part two.

2:49:10 So I was like laying around and my girlfriend was like, dude, we're not doing this. Like, you're not just going to be laying around this house all day. You're going to go do something. And I was like, what? What I'm supposed to do? Go where people is doing it. Where are people doing it? Go to the Arsenio Hall show. Just go stand around at the Arsenio Hall show. Yes. That's stupid. So I went to the Arsenio Hall show and I met a dude named Benny Medina. And Benny Medina is in real life. Benny Medina? I'm glad.

2:49:45 I knew you would know. How did I know you would know him? Oh, my goodness. Benny Medina is one of the scammiest producers ever in Hollywood. I'm so happy to hear that. Benny Medina. I hear that name like, oh, no, not Benny. You don't know this story. I do not. I don't think so. I cherish the fact that I got one over on you, man. In Hollywood, you're like, you're the Hollywood guy. So I know you know names. So please, we can continue this clip and you can tell me your Benny Medina story as you hear how him and Will, quote unquote, bumped into each other.

2:50:26 And I met a dude named Benny Medina. And Benny Medina is the real life Fresh Prince of Bel Air, except he actually went from Watts to Beverly Hills. Same basic concept, way shorter distance. I meet Benny and he pitches me the idea for this show. And I'm like, you know, I'm not an actor. I'm like, cool. And he says, hey, you know, I want you to meet Quincy Jones. Quincy Jones is producing with me. So I find myself at Quincy's. And it's actors and artists and celebrities and politicians, like everybody that Quincy's out. It's like the Wiz without the costume. So Benny walks me in and introduced me to Quincy. Hey, Q, what's up, man? He's like, hey, man, you know, I saw your music videos. I love what you're doing.

2:51:08 I love what you're doing. Tell me your rap name again. They call me the Fresh Prince. All right, good. That's what we're going to call the show. And he handed me a screenplay for a failed Morris Day pilot. Like, I don't have the time. So I need you to do this. I need you to go ahead and take a few minutes, take 10 minutes, study the script, and I'm going to clear all the stuff out the living room. And we're going to have everybody sit down in the living room. We're going to do an audition. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Just happened to bump into him, huh? I forgot. I forgot all about Benny Medina. Yeah, there's nothing but weird stories about him. It sounds like, and you correct me if my, because I've never been to Hollywood and I never planned to go to Hollywood.

2:51:53 But it sounds like the Art CNL Hall show, people were just kind of like floating around looking to be discovered or, you know what I'm saying? This is pre-internet, folks. So you got to remember that. You know what I'm saying? For the younger listeners, there's no hopping. There's no social media. So you got to get out there like his girlfriend told him. You got to get. get to where the celebrities are. And it seems like to me, the Arsenio Hall show was just kind of like, hey, come down. You might get on. The reason why I remember this, it was a Martin episode where Tommy Davidson played, people going to kill me for LeVar, LaVale, LaVale. It was like an Arsenia Hall type of character. And it was like, just come on out. You know what I'm saying? And we'll get you on.

2:52:36 Is that how these things work? Well, okay. So Benny Medina, let's just say Arsenio Hall. Arsenio Hall. Only because I think that this is where you're going. Arsenio Hall definitely has some gay rumors swirling around him. Which fit in with Benny Medina, which would fit in with Eddie Murphy, which would fit in a lot with a lot of black men who I believe are on the down low in Hollywood and music because it's just unacceptable for the quote-unquote community. Was. Was. Was. Was. Oh, was. I'm sorry.

2:53:18 That's why I said Will Smith shifted that oversin window because he was doing a lot of weird stuff and everybody was kind of looking the other way about like, oh, that's just Will being Will. That's just, you know, just putting it out there. So. And this has incredible stick or had incredible stigma amongst black male Americans, no? Yeah. Like I said, nobody really talks about that movie, Six Degrees of Separation. But that was a weird movie. And there was another weird movie that even people talk about less was called Made in America. And it was about Whippy Goldberg. She played a black woman that was impregnated by Ted Danson through artificial dissemination.

2:54:03 She had a test tube baby. Right. And Will Smith helped her daughter find out who her real dad was. It was, like I said, a lot of foreshadowing in these earlier movies. And Will was dead center of it. So how do you just show up? Like, yeah, yeah, that's what we're going to call the show. You're just going to have a 10-minute audition and we're going to give you a show on NBC. And it only took him five minutes to audition. Hey, Dal. Right. Exactly. Storytime 3. He had movers that could reset his furniture. I was like, this dude is real. So Ghost tells everybody, come on, come on, come on. I was like, hey, Q, hold up, man. Hold up. I'm not ready to do no audition. And he's like, oh, all right, all right. Well, what you need? Tell me what you need. Just set the meeting for a week and I could do it.

2:54:47 He said, yeah, yeah. You know, Brandon Tardikov, the head of NBC, is out there. I'll get him to schedule for next week. And then you know what's going to happen? Something's going to come up. And then he's going to have to reschedule. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So three weeks from now, Kim, we can do it three weeks from now. He said, Yeah, yeah, yeah. Three weeks from now be good. Or you could take 10 minutes right now and you can change your life forever. I was like, it then. Yes. Give me 10 minutes. I said yes, and I let it rip. And I got to the end, and everybody's clapping. Quincy looks at Brandon Tardikoff, the head of NBC. Did you like it? And Brandon said, Yeah, yeah, I liked it. Quincy. He says, No, did you like it? And he's like, Yeah, I liked it. He's like, Good. You're his lawyer. Draw me up something right now. Damn.

2:55:30 Quincy ordering other people's lawyers around. That's his lawyer, Quincy. Leave that man alone. And Quincy turned to me and he was like, Hey, Will, you got a lawyer? Quincy, I'm broke. If I had a lawyer taking 5%, he'd owe me money right now. He was like, All right. And he turned to his assistant. He was like, Get Will a lawyer. Quincy had been drinking. Okay. Well, I've sat with Quincy for an hour. Uh-huh. Everybody told you this story. You said you had interaction with him, but you never went into details. So I was curious about what would come of this show.

3:07:52 All right. And I just want to say, people, we understand money's tight. Baby formula is hard to find. Gas is 450. You know what I'm saying? If you're lucky, we get it. But, you know, maybe you want to drop that subscription you have or something and started one with us. So, I mean, like I said, I just want to make sure that we know the facts feeling going to come through. So, no doubt about it. But just a reminder. Indeed. Yep. So I just want to make that reminder. Speaking of which, now we got Quincy Johnson have Quincy Jones' side of the story of how Fresh Prince became the Press the Belair. I had this multimedia company had just started Vive Magazine,

3:08:36 which was, Steve said that he was getting heat for synergy and so forth. And they helped him to see what the other things, how we could mix things up. And I said, oh, I've got a good idea for magazines. I don't know much about magazines. Quincy Jones of the Hip Hop Magazine with Time Warming. So what a ridiculous idea. And in five paragraphs, you turned it around of let's get started tomorrow on it. And it worked. You know, it's became the hip-hop magazine. You know, it's Benny Medina from one of that time. He was the head of black music at Warner Brothers. And he kept telling me about this story that occurred with an old friend of mine when I was living in Paris.

3:09:16 So that was the genesis of it. And that idea we like, you know. And so at six o'clock, we were doing, still having a meeting with Warren Littlefield and Random Tardikov. And Benny was out in the other room. So he finally called Benny in to just explain. So he was playing his life. It was really his life story, you know. And so in eight minutes, we made the pitch. And 11 o'clock, Warren Littlefield called me up and said, we like this. We showed him Will, you know, and in a video. And they call 11 o'clock and says, we buzz.

3:09:55 Tomorrow you have to speak to 700 sponsors to tell them that you're a father of seven kids and that Will, the rapper, is not dangerous. Like Will, anybody can imagine Will Smith being dangerous, but they would, you know, it was the first time a rapper had ever been. This is, they haven't done movies or anything, man, and didn't really believe that the rap was going to happen. And I remember Michael Jackson telling me that it's rap is dead, you know. Hmm. That's what I'm talking about. That was that safe. I remember, like I said, it's so pivotal, that show. And that was the making of Fresh Prince. The same with Martin. That was those two, they invaded television around the same time

3:10:39 with a new, it wasn't the Cosby show. It was something different. It was a very, even take black out of it, just like rap, like as a sub-genre. Seeing a hip-hop star have a major television show. That was a very, that was a you knew where you were going to be at Monday, eight o'clock. Because Tuesday, when you got to school, you know, you're going to do the, you know what I'm saying? Like all the little, the handshake, everything, everything was going to, um, gonna be talked about. And I think it's kind of hard for other people to understand now that we live in an on-demand

3:11:19 experience, you know, when you, everybody, it was all at the same time. It was must-see TV. That's exactly what it was. You had to see it. You had to see it, and it was a good show. It wasn't, and you're saying good morals to it at the same time. But it was the, that was like the Bouleving how the Boulet will recruit family members. And this is a real thing where it's like, oh, you. young, talented, bright person, maybe from a hard upbringing. Let's bring them in. My dad offered, you know, saying this to like, you know, saying family members and our family.

3:12:00 You know, like, come live with us, get on your feet, you know, come to the city. It wasn't on a scale like money-wise, but you living in a place with not many opportunities. We're living here saying, Well, we're opportunities, come live with us. I've had so many cousins and uncles and aunts and whatever else share a room because that's what you did. So that was high from the Cosbys. That was, you know, it covered that spectrum of economics. And that's why it was magical. Now, Quincy Jones mentioned something about the Vibe magazine. The Vibe Magazine

3:12:39 had Quincy Jones brought so much to the table. I mean, you talk about Thriller and everything else, but The Vibe Magazine may be one of his biggest but least talked about accomplishments. I think it was, I think it was actually around the launch of Vibe that that was the context of my interview with him. I'm just thinking now. It makes sense because so many pivotal events. Barack Obama's big first cover was The Vibe. Yeah. They brought him to us. And it really started the East Coast, West Coast beef between Tupac and Biggie from the vibe. I mean, that was like what made it really public. And I have Tretch here. Mamas Cover Your Baby's Ears because Trech, you know what I'm saying?

3:13:23 Tupac's friend from Not of My Nature. You're saying he's loose with the words. So just be warned. But this is Tretch on the vibe causing the East Coast, West Coast beef. When you got that motherfucking Vibe magazine, right? When you see big and puff on the cover, East versus West. When I saw that fucking cover, I said, man, what the fuck is going on? Gangsters don't read articles. Niggas on the East Coast, like, yo, it's on. Wait till them West Coast niggas come out here. West Coast, like, oh, it's on. Wait till them East Coast niggas come out here.

3:14:03 So it baited up a whole shit that fucking went down, that had just so many cycles of all biggie followers and riders, all pac riders, motherfuckers that didn't even know neither one of them. Gangster ass motherfuckers. It could have really turned into a motherfucking East Coast, West Coast war. Oh, I didn't know this. I didn't know that the Vibe magazine was the genesis of this. Oh, yes. Oh, yes. I mean, because that article, that was, I mean, it was in the innuendo. There were songs. There was Who Shot You by Biggie. You know what I'm saying? But this was really when it was made public of the beef.

3:14:45 You know what I'm saying? It was a lot of subliminals. So the vibe had a big role to do with that. And at the same time, people got remembered. That's when the Million Man March was going on, when black men was trying to take control of their identities. Oh, there it was. There it was. Let's make the black men look bad. Exactly. Are you going to wait a minute? Is this show going to end with me not liking Quincy Jones? The show is going to end high ends. Choose your own adventure. But Quincy, let's just go ahead and get into Quincy's second part about the Fresh Prince.

3:15:25 Will was at the, what happened was Will was, we were out doing back on the block. I had the whole group out there. We had four rappers, you know, and ICT and all the guys and the gospel choir, Tevin Campbell, everybody. We had done our senior hall show. And while we were out there, Benny Medina came by to see the show. And I think Will asked him for directions or something how to get to the farm. He took his number, you know. Then in the process, you know, if we got Andy and Susan Brokowitz borrow each other, the family was changed to a bullshit black family, which made it much stronger.

3:16:06 Got the great, great, great cast right away. You know, right away. Just it stuck like blue. You know, and see the writers. And we won the air in 10 weeks after the pitch. 10 weeks. No time for paralysis, for analysis, nobody's time for notes and all that joke. Just did it. I did a couple of, I did a cameo on Fresh France with Little Richard, Richard Pennyman. We're both the same age. Well, it was the impact, I think, was a combination of, you know, both sides of the economic strata, you know, of the black community. You know, which is glaring.

3:16:46 You know, I mean, that gives you a premise for every episode when you're going from Philadelphia. They've got thrown out of the family, out of the house. It was too much trouble to come out here with his bourgeois family. And every move he makes, you know, it's a scene for entertainment, you know, and for conflict. Yes, that's right. Conflict is great, Q funny. Conflict is funny. Yeah, and just be honest, it did broach a lot of interesting topics as far as like one of the pivotal scenes and show Will Smith's acting abilities about the deadbeat father.

3:17:31 That was one that is etched in the collective conscience of when he was like, why he don't want me, Uncle Phil? And then he cried. So it was the good with the bad. But I gotta say, like Quincy Jones, he's at the center of a lot of stuff. And then doing this research on this Will Smith show and what I knew about his previous past, it's like, you know, Tupac. You know Will Smith. And you know Jada. What's going on? Like, like, whoa, you know what I'm saying?

3:18:09 Like, hold on, that's too, that's too many coincidences involved in production of the award show. And like I said, so let's go ahead and get into 37. Nothing but truth. Now, QD3, I know you've had, you had a very important relationship with Tupac. Why do you think, you know, there's a lot of people that didn't understand the genius that he was and thought of him as dumb in a lot of ways or maybe ignorant, a little too violent. Why do you think that that's the case? I would say that Tupac was probably the smartest artist that I've met in terms of the full range, in terms of politics, you know, personal relationships, and, you know, scholastically, what have you, just reading.

3:18:54 But I also feel like to some degree, he dumbed down to sort of let his audience know in some ways that he was relatable. And not to say that his audience was dumb, but he was putting on a facade to relate to them in a better way, you know what I mean? With the whole death row persona and all that. And then he was probably three to four months away from turning all that around. And it's sort of what KRS did with his first album. He had the Uzis on the cover. And then the very next album, he became the teacher. So Pac was about to do that, turn around and say, okay, now that I've got the demographic that needs the help the most, I'm going to turn around and teach them certain things. And I think that unfortunately it was just cut short. But he had so much in the pipeline that people don't know about.

3:19:35 I mean, he was so well read. He would read each book two, three times in a row and ask a bunch of people questions about the book. So he really learned it, you know. So I think he was ready to unleash a lot of that and his political thoughts and power and all that kind of stuff. And just unfortunately got cut short, you know. And, you know, to some degree, fame is also a drug. So maybe he got caught up in that a little bit. But I think he was probably literally four to five months away from a turnaround becoming a man and becoming the leader that he was. And he was born into the Black Panthers and sort of raised to be the next leader. Yeah, we can't have that. So, man, that doesn't sound like something we need. Can't have a can't have Tupac changing his tune, become a leader.

3:20:15 And it seems like Quincy had his thumbs on both spectrums of hip-hop where Will Smith at one extreme and then Tupac at the other extreme. And they both were under his thumb in a way. Yeah, he already had a good, wholesome guy. He didn't need another one. Right. So you got to have this other, you know what I'm saying? Like I said, you're controlling both ends, both polar opposites. Just one other thing I'd like to say about Fresh Prince of Bel Air, because you gave us your perspective. You knew where you were Monday night, 8 o'clock. So did I. But we were there for different reasons. We didn't view Fresh Prince the way you did.

3:21:00 To us, it was, and of course, this was made for white audiences. Yes, it was for all audiences, but this is NBC, Brandon Tardikov. I mean, it was a huge hit. You're not a huge hit unless you bring in white audiences, just like hip-hop, basically. At least when it's charting and on the radio. And I think for white audiences, for me, of just trying to think back and remember, I was like, wow, you know, that's really good to see that there's very successful black people. Right. What it did was it was the safe space, which. between a Martin and a Bill Cosby, a Cosby show.

3:21:45 Because you had the rich family, i.e., the Cosbys, but then you had the hip-hop vibe of a Martin. So it was the perfect, it was safe. It was a safe spot. And Will would get up to his shenanigans, but he wasn't. Well, it's not just safe, but what Quincy sees and what Quincy says very accurately is you have this conflict, and that conflict is where ratings live. I think, you know, I don't know if we're going to find out how political and bullet Quincy is in this regard, but from a ratings perspective, a television productions perspective, is the dream.

3:22:27 It's the dream. Every producer would see that as a dream. Yeah, it was the dream. Like I said, and it shaped my mind as a young person watching the show. So let's go ahead and get into it. Let me ask you, how did it shape you? What was your takeaway from as a young person watching the show? Will was cool. I mean, he was good, but still cool. You had these people, it was like a predecessor, like Kanye. You had Dwayne Wayne, with Dwayne Wayne over on Different World, also at the NDC product. Yeah, yeah. Of these people you could identify with.

3:23:12 But Will was cool because he had, like I said, he had the Jordans on and the back of his hat. And, you know, and he would have certain Queen Latifa was on at the stars. The cameos was the real thing. You had Donald Trump, Chris Rock. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cameos. Yeah, yeah. Cameos was the thing. Kevin Campbell. Yeah. Which that's a whole nother story for another devil. Oh man. But you had all these things, and then you had, like I said, you had Carlton, which was so corny, it made Will look cool. And what a sad story. Carlton just, he never got out of that role.

3:23:58 No, that's the thing. That's the thing. Once you get stuck there. Yeah. But the question is, do you, would you rather have that type of fame or no fame at all? I can't answer that question. I'm not into fame. But as an actor, I mean, he has his own dance for crying out loud. I work with him on Circus of the Stars, and man, he was just entertaining everybody backstage. He was singing, dancing, tapping, but just everything. That's that safe. Like I said, that's that safe. And that was just backstage. That was just for people on the show. You know, he was just kind of that guy, like always full of energy, not acting. What you saw in Fresh Prince, that's him. That's that weird spot to get put in because that's that Wayne Brady lane.

3:24:43 It's like, and you it's sad to say, but you can't smile like that. You can't laugh like that. It's because people think like you're a pushover. And I think that's what led Will to be taken that way. And it's like, oh, y'all going to respect me today. You know what I'm saying? Kind of thing as far as the way he tried to change his image. And that's why I think that you're going to keep my wife's name out your mouth. That was like, y'all playing with me. Don't play with me. So, okay. So I think we stopped at 38. We're 38. 38 now. Oh, let's go ahead and get in 38. Okay, this is Quincy Jones on Tupac.

3:25:25 And he was born into the Black Panthers and sort of raised to be the next leader. Yeah. So he was ready for it and he knew. Where do you think he lost his way on that? Or do you think he lost his way at all? Connected with the culture. I thank God. He knows his sister and my daughter. He died in her arms in Las Vegas. Yeah. She was engaged to him. And he was the writer of letters like Lord Byron. Incredible. Reading a one poem of his, and the fact I recited it on Rose That Came From Concrete. Starry Eyes about Vimson Van Gogh. But Jay the Bank was girlfriend in Baltimore. Triple-A student, you know. But it's not him to be, it's not him to be smart, you know.

3:26:08 And that's got to go. That's just a joke. I didn't know that Tupac died in his daughter's arms. Uh-huh. Yeah. What are the chances? He had control of both poles of hip-hop. Jeez. The safest and the most radical. And it gets more interesting. But yeah, yeah. But I want to. Now we got to get into it. So, wait a minute. He had also Jada Pinkett Smith was his first girlfriend. Is that what he said? No, that was Tupac's first girlfriend. That's what I said. Tupac's first girlfriend. Yes.

3:26:47 Yes. Holy crap. Then this is the real issue with Will Smith. It's not about Chris Brock. It's not even about August Alcina. He's chasing a ghost. Yeah. And his woman's heart. And everybody knows it. It's like, oh, he picked you because he died. Oh. And it makes for a hell of a control mechanism. It's true. So now we got to go to different world of Bill Cosby production, which featured Tupac. Now, why would Bill Cosby feel safe enough? Now, we heard how much scrutiny Will Smith had to go through to get

3:27:35 Fresh Prince of Bel Air. But Bill Cosby, Mr. Pound Cake, Pullety Pants, allows Jada Pickett Smith to co-star with Tupac on his production, Different World. And this is going to be an example. I think this was a reflection of what she was going through, but also, how can I put it? It showed Will Smith is being played by a guy named Dorian in this episode. You know what I'm saying? And it's going to show her struggle between wanting to be with a thug, Tupac, or with the safe guy, Dorian, aka Will Smith.

3:28:18 Would you slow that up? Leela, it's a party cool. Okay, now, see, wait a minute. Now, I know what you're trying to do, okay? It's not necessary. What you trying to say, Leena? You want to dance with somebody else, huh? Tell you not. May I Dorian? Let him go. Come on, baby. You know how fragile a male ego can be. Pick a little knot now, all right? Seriously, though, Lena. You were my first love, and I can't get five minutes alone with you. One little dance. I sure miss you. You know, this reminds me of our first dance together. Remember the hunt?

3:29:02 Yes, that's not gold there, all right? Come on, now a lot has changed since the last time we saw each other. I'm not the same brother you missed. Same to me. Well, I'm not. I'm really getting it together. I realize the street life ain't really getting no more. It took you this long to realize that, huh? Homie Rico got smoked. I heard about that. I wanted to call, but I sure wish you wouldn't. You're the only person I could have talked to. Why don't you call me, Pic? You know, when stuff is that rough, you can always call me. That's why I'm here now. Give me a job, hook me up a crib.

3:29:45 When you're through with this college thing, we can really have it going on. See, now this is exactly what I was afraid of. You're not going to come down here, jump in my life, and act like everything's okay. I got an agenda. And despite what you might think, I've got a man. And what that got to do with me. Nice laugh track. I mean, I know you just passing the time with the quiet boy hitting it like I was if the boy. Quiet boy. Hold on. Check this here. You weren't all that. Oh, so now you all that now that you bougie. Then what you gotta do? Hey, is that long where it's makes you? What you want, quiet boy? Lena, told me you ain't doing the right thing.

3:30:29 You stand there with your mouth open, punk. Let your woman handle your business. But you gotta kill me. Pick up a little man. They get the problem. So, okay. And that was Jada Pinkett Smith. Was the girl in this? Yes. This is her real life boyfriend. This is life imitates art, man. Yeah. So Bill Cosby was getting in on that on that Q action. They ran NBC. It seemed like with Suncloud. Oh, Bill Cosby was incredibly powerful at NBC.

3:31:12 Yes, I'm saying. And then you got Q bringing in Fresh Prince, which is his own powerhouse. Power struggle. I don't know. Oh, no, no, no. I'm telling you right now, power struggle between Q and Bill. Seriously. Mm-hmm. Oh, definitely. And now I'm thinking Q might have something to do with Bill going to jail. He even quoted and saying, if I tell you what me and Bill used to do, you know what I'm saying? I would end up, you know, like basically in trouble. Uh-huh. So I was thinking allies, but you just opened up another touch. I see.

3:31:53 Remember, these guys are, these guys are bullet. And that would explain why he let Pac on his show because he had to scrub, like, make it rough up the image of a different world. And it's kind of changed. Like, different world had a different tone to it. It was more about his daughter, Denise, going to college. But it did this pivot of like kind of recruiting all young black people of different lifestyles into college. And this is proven college admissions to black people, it went, it doubled at the different world.

3:32:29 So that is life. I mean, imitating art. But let's go ahead and get to the second part of this clip because you're going to hear, I think, what Jada struggled with because Q says she was a straight A student, but they were from Baltimore, her and Pac. So I think this is like what she was struggling with, the image. And I think this may lend to her, you know, being more radical compared to Will and hopping on the Oscar so white bandwagon. Lena, why are you looking like that, girl? You had two fine men fighting over here. Now you better smile. But it's something about that piccolo. I can't put my finger on him. He's thuggish, scandalous, pimpish, gangsterish, and hooliganese.

3:33:09 But he's so fine. First of all, y'all need to stop talking about people that you don't even know. What the hell are you looking at? That's all you got from his mouth almighty. Look, yo, this is her friend from Baltimore. Piccolo is not my man anymore, okay? And two, wait, don't you mean B? Wait, what did she say there? I didn't catch it. She said one, and then she said A. And then she said two. You know that she said A and two. Yeah, I got you. Piccolo is not my man anymore, okay? And two, wait, look, don't you mean B?

3:33:56 And two, Charmaine and Gina are right. He acted like he always acts when he doesn't get what he wants, and that's like a Joe hood. I can't believe this. First, you leave us, you leave the crew to come to college to educate yourself. Now, I can get with that. It's cool. But then you start running around with these people like choir boy and these two fake females taking their side. Oh, no, I know. Hold on. Hold it. Hold it. Now, first of all, I'm not on anybody's side, okay? Nigga, Londi, you're my girl.

3:34:32 Okay, understand that I'm here just trying to get an education. All right, I'd rather be here than I'm on the corner doing absolutely nothing, ending up with a city job. So it's like that. I guess so. When the Lena James that I know comes back, won't you tell her to call me? And ain't nothing wrong with a city job. Hmm. All right, so that I think that's why Jada Pickett was struggling and saying, choosing between Tupac and Will, because it was bigger than just men, it was identity.

3:35:18 It's like, you know, are you going to be bougie or boolay? I mean, bougie is just another word for boulet. So do you think, do you think that somewhere in Will's programming, he has to actually show he's a bad boy to be quote-unquote real? Yeah, that's the struggle. I mean, but he always failed at it, as he said in the previous clips, because he wasn't never quite black enough for black people. It wasn't quite white enough or safe enough for white people. Or maybe he was thuggish enough. Yeah, thuggish enough. Yeah. Man, this is so deep. And you got to think this is at the version of gangster rap and hip-hop and becoming a huge commodity

3:36:01 in the early mid-90s. So, I mean, are you going to be jiggy with it? You know what I'm saying? Are you going to be jigger? You know what I'm saying? Which way are you going to be? Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. So, all right. So, this is Will talking about how jealous he was of Tupac. Were you ever jealous of the love Jada had for Tupac? Oh, fuck yeah. Oh, God, damn. dude. And, you know, and that was in the early days. Yeah. That was in the early days. And it was like, that was a big regret for me, too, because I could never open up to interact with Pac. You know, we had a little bit of a thing, right?

3:36:41 Because, you know, they grew up together and they loved each other, but they never had that. You know, they never had a sexual relationship, but they had come into that stage where that was. That ain't what Quincy said. Quincy said that was her first boyfriend. Okay, we'll continue on with the clip. I just want to clarify matters. Each other, but they never had that. You know, they never had a sexual relationship, but they had come into that age where now that was a possibility. And then Jada was with me. You know, so Pac had a little thing on that. But she just loved him. Like he was the image of perfection, but she was with the fresh prince.

3:37:24 You know, so it was like the image of perfection. I just, I never could. Was this an interview? Is this Breakfast Club? Yes. And this is from when? This was from, I want to say, 2016, 17, somewhere around in there. Uh-huh. Well, but he just says something really critical here. She just loved him like he was the image of perfection. So Tupac was the image of perfection. That's Will speaking, not Jada. That's Will saying that. Exactly. She just loved him like he was the image of perfection, but she was with the fresh prince. You know, so it was like, I just, I never could, like, even we were in the room together a couple times.

3:38:07 I couldn't speak to him, you know. And, you know, he wasn't going to speak to me if I wasn't going to speak to him. It's somebody would have so much in common. No, that's what Jada would say all the time. She was like, I'm telling you, y'all are so similar. You will, you love him. And I just never stop. You know. Red flag, fellas. If your woman says another man, you have so much in common that was in her past. Whoop. That's a huge red flag. That's a huge red flag. Like, well, let's just put it out there. We can continue on the clip. Skyberg, let's just drop gigs with a red dash alpha message in two parts. That's right. It's somebody would have so much in common. No, that's what Jada would say all the time. She was like, I'm telling you, y'all are so similar.

3:38:50 You will, you love him. And I just never, you know, that was a huge regret of mine. I just didn't, I couldn't, I couldn't handle it. You know, I was this, I was the soft rapper from Philly, and he was Pac. Right. Song about you or nothing. I know, right? Exactly. Exactly. But yeah, no, I was deeply, deeply insecure. And just, I wasn't man enough to handle that relationship. Ooh. Okay. Now, didn't Chris Rock and Jada Pinkett Smith also have some stuff together? I don't think so. I thought there were some rumors about him when they were working together somewhere from way back when.

3:39:32 No, I know Mark Anthony was in, but I mean, I don't think Chris Rock, but I think it was more of Chris Rock was the sacrificial lamb to let out all frustrations. You know what I'm saying? Like, it was like, he was, I'm going to smack you to let everybody else know, stop playing with me in my name. Kind of thing. He embodied everything that Will couldn't be because he was the soft, good rapper. Right. So let me pick on the weaker guy than me, Chris, who is smaller than him, too. Significantly. Exactly. Yeah. Oh, man. Very glad Chris didn't have that book bag with that brick in it. It's almost like, but

3:40:14 now let's go back to Quincy Jones and listen to what really happened to Tupac. No, Tupac. Dr. No is my daughter's fiancé who's going to get married. In fact, he died in her arms, you know, with his lungs stapled up. She almost got killed on that, too, because she and Tupac were in the car. She was supposed to be sitting next to Tupac. This was in Las Vegas, right? Las Vegas, y'all. And thank God, Tupac called her up and said, I just hit a crypt, you know, so I'll pick you up later. And a car came by his car, a convertible, with girls in it to tempt him out of the car. And they pulled off, and a guy with a bow tie and a machine gun took him out. That would have been my daughter, you know.

3:40:56 Her car was behind him with the security. And he died in her arms. And she went through within a year and a half's time. She lost Tupac. She produced an event for my record company, Quest Records Survive Magazine. Four minutes after that, Big E Small got shot. He was at that thing. He got killed by the crib. Crips. And Aaliyah, Aaliyah was just a state live at our home. You know, we took her to Fiji's, stayed at Tony Robbins' house and everything. And later, she got killed on that airplane accident. It was overloaded, you know. Wow, man. It's too much coincidence for me. The Q incidence

3:41:41 write that down. Whoa, I just can't. That's all that problem. God gave that one to me, Mo. But honestly, hold on. Let me break it down for people that didn't catch all that. Your daughter's supposed to be in the car with Tupac, but she doesn't, and he gets killed. Then y'all planning a party that Biggie goes to. He goes out four minutes later. He's shot and killed. And then you're hanging out in Anthony Robbins with Aaliyah. No, Aaliyah, he flew Aaliyah down at a vibe magazine event, stayed at Tony Robbins' house, and then her plane gets overweighted and

3:42:23 crashes and crashes. Let me explain how this in my conspiracy analyst's mind. How this is Quincy Jones the cleanup man? I just gotta ask. He removed Tupac out of Will's way. He removes Biggie out of Jay-Z's way. And he removes Aaliyah out of Beyonce's way. Oh, that was the one I was missing. Oh. Oh, yeah. If Aaliyah goes nowhere, Beyonce is not Beyonce. Q is the original drill rap guy. He's the real life Suge Knight. And don't get it twisted. He is a World Economic Forum member and frequents Davos.

3:43:05 So don't think he don't get busy. We know how Davos get down. You know what I'm saying? Like, they the real gangsters. Yes. This is actually upsetting to me. I'm sorry. No, no, I'm not. Oh, but it's, I have, I put Q on such a pedestal for his work. Although Vibe Magazine always bothered me. That always bugged me. I can't, I don't, I'd have to think about it since you just brought it up in the show, but I have to go back and meditate for a bit and think about what are the things that bother me because I was there. I remember this whole launch. It was very polished.

3:43:46 It was a very, it was, wasn't the source. It wasn't grimy like the source. So Aaliyah was dating Jay-Z. Yes. Oh, man. Which they try to say it was Dame Dash, but I think she was dating both of them. What I'm just saying is, part celebrity-wise, Beyonce picked up that energy that Aaliyah had. Right. Right. Jay-Z picked up the energy that Biggie had. And Will Smith cleared the way. This is my conspiracy analyst's mind. Like, I'm not saying anything. I'm just telling you what pops in my head when I hear this clip and he runs it down like that. Like, yeah, I'm at the center of all this. And the thing about Quincy is he loves to talk.

3:44:30 He drops all the, you're saying he drops it all. He don't care. So, okay. All right. So, no, no, no, keep going. I'm, I'm just, I'm processing. So, if you don't think he's he ain't gangster, 43. When Tupac started dating your daughter, there was a sit-down you had with him. There was no, no, he wrote something in source magazines or stuff about this very racist and very nasty. And my daughter from Harvard, Rashida, took him out. And she was speaking Harvard East at the end. But all my kids, I put the street in them. I made sure they had the street. She had to have the street man. Okay, where you go?

3:45:10 Yale, Harvard, Georgetown, whatever. Street is important. And I was born in the streets of Chicago in the 30s and in Chicago. Chirac. With mafia every day, dead bodies every day, Tommy guns, Stogies, piles of money in back rooms. Like amazing. I want to be a gangster until I was 11. I did. Because, you know, you want to be what you see. You want to be what you see. And of course, Rashida, of course, forgot all about Rashida. Yeah. And I have a story here that says he was a member of the Jones Boys, which was the Black Gangsters in Chicago.

3:45:51 And I find it interesting. The Jones Boys? Like, of what Jones's? Right. He had his own gang there. Nice. I'm asking. They don't say it specifically, but him to be Quincy Jones and the Jones Boys was he's the top Jones of the Joneses. Well, very interesting. Let me say this about that. From the music business in the 80s and the 90s. 90s, which is my period, everybody was a gangster. And I'm not talking about gangster rap. I'm talking about gangsters. The music business is filled with gangsters. And I'm just using that term

3:46:33 generally, but Benny Medina fits in there. Tommy Mattola fits in there. Moton had a guy around it that was a white Italian guy that would go and get the radio deals done. Oh, no, the whole game. Payola, all that stuff. It's always been a gangster business. That's why, you know, because it was. Ain't nothing new under the sun, I guess. But when you think about Quincy Jones's background, yeah, I mean, you grew up that way. You've got certain values that are embedded in your mind. And maybe, you know, eliminating someone is quite normal in his. And you do not survive all those years without two things:

3:47:18 incredible success and incredible power. And the two are not necessarily always tied together. And Quincy Jones has been the gingerbread man throughout it all. He's almost made it. I got to give him his credit. He's almost made it unscathed. Until Mo Facts with Adam Curry came along and exposed him. Quint Q. Listen, I don't want no smoke. You know what I'm saying? I just follow where the clues lead me. Okay. And we're happy to talk to him if you'd like to expand. No problem. Yeah. Why not me? Why not me this time, Q? No problem.

3:47:58 So I know people may say this is a stretch. What do you talk about, Mo? Quincy Jones taking out Tupac for Will 44. You prove yourself over and over, and he can never be Tupac. Well, Kevin, you're over exaggerating this Tupac thing. Really? Uh-huh. Dear Tupac, I know you are alive someplace. I think my mommy really misses you. Can you please come back? Can you come back so me and my mommy can be happy? I wish you were here. I really do. Willow. Whoa. What?

3:48:44 Willow. Tupac got killed in what, 95, 96? Willow never met Tupac. Why is this little girl writing a letter to Tupac? Why is Will Smith's daughter writing a letter to Tupac? Does the timeline fit here, Mo? What's that? Is Willow Tupac's child? No, that's not what I'm saying. No, I don't. I'm saying that Jada is talking to her daughter about how Supac made her hat. Of course. Of course. That's enough to kill over my book. As a father, I'm just saying. Oh, my God. Okay. All right. So the things I've learned from this episode.

3:49:29 One, always be prepared when Mo does a show. Alcohol might be necessary when your heroes are destroyed at the end. Two, Will Smith is a man who needs help from men as fast as possible. I don't know if it can be done. He needs deprogramming. He needs help. He needs someone to open his eyes and to show him what's going on. Three. Holy crap. This is almost as bad as just how, I mean, this is ultimate abuse.

3:50:14 And Quincy Jones has been a part of this throughout the ages. Using the center. The center of it. He said he was a gangster. I'm just telling you. And he's made no bones about it. Pun intended. About being a gangster. He'll say every interview, it always goes back to gangster, gangster, Chicago being a gangster. So the slap heard around the world was probably nothing more than decades, decades of Will Smith suppressing feelings, thoughts,

3:50:56 issues, psychological stuff. And he just snapped. Or he could be handled to snapped, to be made. made to snap. Well, you know, I can only imagine seeing some of those videos, which you didn't play the clips from, but I'm sure there's a lot more verbal stuff that Jada was throwing out there. And at that moment, you know, I could even, I can even see where Will Smith is so blinded with rage over previous issues surrounding his relationship with Jada that, you know, Chris Rock might have, he's black enough to look like Tupac's black.

3:51:38 You know what I'm saying? I mean, seriously, don't you think that you just like you go blind with rage and you just see a black man? And it's like, that's. I think it was the laughter. The laughter. Oh, I think it was the laughter. The laughter that did it. Yeah. The laughter for me. You know what I'm saying? Hey, that's enough. No, you're crazy. No, no. It was double laughter. The laughter about the joke. Then when he slapped him, there was laughter. Like, what I got to do to get some respect around. And that's, and that's when he threw out the keep my wife's name out your open mouth. That's an excellent point, Adam. That's an excellent point. The laughter. The double laughter. The double laughter. Holy Moe.

3:52:22 Okay. Well, thanks, Mo. This is, this is now I have something to talk to the kids about. You want to know what's up? Come up on Grandpa's Knee. Let me tell you about Tupac. Let me tell you about Will Smith. Let me tell you what's really going on. Too many coincidences for me. Cue incidences indeed. Cue incidences. Mo, thank you. Thank you so much for this. This is, I've been waiting for this one. I had no idea it was going. And I'm even more baffled at the end, but have clarity. And I loved talking with you about this particular topic. This was a lot of fun for me. It was a lot of fun for me, too, because you filled in a lot of gaps with your Hollywood experience.

3:53:05 And with that said, as I always say, pay attention to everything, and the truth will reveal itself. That is also proudly displayed on the back of every single MoFax with Adam Curry t-shirt designed and produced by Roger Roundy. I'm sure these will be on sale soon somewhere, or maybe you have to donate to get them. Speaking of such, MoFax.com. Go directly to our donation page, mofundme.com, or get a new podcast app at newpodcastapps.com and boost us as much as it can. We'll be back in 14 days from now with another. Well, we can't even call it a show. These are just straight up college credit lessons of MoFax with Adam Curry. Thanks again, brother. All right, see you later, Adam.