59: Restoring Justice

00:10 Mo Facts with Adam Curry for February 23rd, 2021. This is episode number 59. It's been a while. They had a little bit of a climate challenge down south. I'm Adam Curry in Austin, Texas, and my friend on the other end, somewhere in Northern Virginia, ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Mo Facts. I'm in the groove, man. Mo? Yeah. Can you hear me? Oh, no. Yeah, I can hear you. You said you were in the groove, so I was letting you be there. Like, what did I do? Did I scare him off? Yeah, I was just like, oh, the old song, Don't Disrupt the Screws.

00:50 So I didn't want to. Thank you. No, I was just bumping and bopping along. Like, yeah, I can do this. How you doing, Mo? I'm doing well. You all thawed out? Yeah. Yeah, we've got, well, Electricity Restored. That was out for a couple days. And, oh, man, that was right. That kind of happened right those days when we were supposed to record a couple days before, actually. And then, you know, everyone's pipes were blowing up. And so ours didn't, luckily, but we did have to boil water for a couple of days. And that made grocery shopping tough because you can't have any produce and no restaurants are open. But we're Texans. And now it's, you know, 70 degrees. Everything's fine. As if nothing happened is the weirdest thing.

01:33 You know, birds are chirping. Everyone's back to normal. Oh, well, that was that. And I felt kind of bad because the last year I was teasing you about your 31 degrees. And I turned on the news. Well, yes, you damned us, Moe. You put a curse on us. And then you experiencing Isagedden. It was interesting to be in to be in the crisis zone for real for once. But yeah, everything's good. Everyone's safe. Everybody we know is safe. Everyone helped each other out. Well, all good. One little thing I did notice about your experience in Texas.

02:15 Yeah. They didn't have a catchy name for it, or I didn't hear one. Did they have one for it? That's a good question. No, I think just the polar vortex was the overall kind of thing that was discussed. But down here, I think it was just like this situation. That's probably what we call this situation. Because normally the climate things, they always want to brand them. Yeah. There was no good branding. There was no branding for it, was there? No, that's interesting. Isagedden was right there. I mean, it's right there for the title. No, they didn't grab it. I don't know what happened. I think it was too shocking. It really wasn't planned somehow. Or it's counting a narrative. Yeah, well, there you go.

02:56 Yeah. Enough narratives flowing around about that event for sure. Everyone's jumping in on it. And of course, black and brown communities suffered much harder than anybody else. They're always doing climate change. Disproportionate, yes. I'm just bringing you the latest news. How you doing, Mo? Everything good up there? Or over there? Man, everything's great. We was under a layer of ice ourselves, but nothing in comparison to what you experienced. Slipping and sliding around everywhere. It was strange because it wasn't that much ground covering, but everywhere was just like a sheet of ice. Right. So you couldn't scrape it or you couldn't shovel it. Now, are your kids back in school yet? Are they the best school?

03:39 Oh, man. Is that ever going to happen? Has anyone, is there a light at the end of the tunnel? Well, from this experience, I'll say two things and then we can get into the bag. But I want to say two things about this experience of working from home and schooling from home. I think it took away the angst for me personally. I think for a lot of people that this may be the new normal for work, I know it's highly likely. And if that's the case, then homeschooling becomes a real option. Right. Because you see the quality of education your kids are getting. It's like, I can top that.

04:21 You can do better than that. Yeah. So I'm not sure. Me and me and Mrs. Facts are wearing our options. We're going to discuss it over the summer. But I don't think they're going to go back this. I don't think they're going to go back this year. That's just crazy, man. That is just crazy. Unfathomable. I don't have any kids anymore. So it's like, it doesn't, nothing has changed that much for us in that regard. But I can just imagine what a change. Well, luckily, like my wife works part-time or when she's available to. And then me working from home, we are one of the blessed families. I know a lot of people. of people are having to deal with having to physically be at work and what do you do with your kids.

05:04 So it is a sucky situation, but luckily I'm in a blessed situation. All right. Okay. So we're all caught up. Adam and Mo know what's going on in our interpersonal lives. Why don't we spin up that wheel of topics, Mo. Let's see what you got going on for us. I'm excited. It's been way too long. Where it stops, nobody knows. Only Mo knows this is the wheel of topics. The topic for episode 59 of Mo Facts and Adam Curry is you can have your own thoughts, bro. Okay. So we're going to pick up. It's interesting. This is one of the few times that we pick up where we left off on the last show.

05:45 Ah, okay. I like that. And we spoke about the African American Museum. Yes. And the District of Cairo. Yes. AKA known as the District of Columbia, D.C., and the African American Museum they built there. Did you go down some massive rabbit hole, Mo? Is that what happened? Are we going deeper today? Oh, we're going, whoa, we're going super deep. Get the extra duty, extra heavy duty tenfold ready. Yep, I'm ready. It's all wrapped on. I'm good to go. Yeah. So I guess we'll, like I said, we'll pick up where we left off. This is a throwback clip from the last show. And this is tokenisms and whiteness.

06:27 When the National Museum of African American History in D.C. first opened its doors to the public, President Obama was there to commemorate it. Perhaps it can help a white visitor understand the pain and anger of demonstrators in places like Ferguson. But it can also help black visitors appreciate the fact that not only is this younger generation carrying on traditions of the past, but within the white communities across the nation, we see the sincerity of law enforcement officers and officials. Imagine a Democrat saying that today he or she would be thrown out of the party for that level of nuance.

07:11 Well, now, instead of being a symbol of progress and reconciliation, the museum has embraced the radical left's language of racial retribution, all to catch America as irredeemably racist and an evil country. And you, the American taxpayer, are funding it. Isn't that Nate? Yeah, racial retribution. Well, yeah, we're going to pick up on that in a second, but this came out maybe around December from the National Museum of African American Studies. What we're talking about is the Smithsonian put out this piece called Whiteness

07:50 talking about race. Yeah, holding. And this was the precursor to the things that you're seeing now. I don't know if you're up to speed on Woca-Cola or not. Yes. And all the corporate training. I haven't heard how to describe this Woca-Cola yet, but yeah, way up to speed for sure. So it's always amazing how these things time out. Can I ask you, is that a big thing on black Twitter? Woca-Cola? Let me put it this way. So Tina keeps seeing this pop up on her Twitter, which her timeline is going to be different from both of ours. And, you know, so Coca-Cola is just being excoriated everywhere it can be done.

08:35 So is that a thing or how is that viewed? Well, my timeline's a little different. One, because I'm not as active on Twitter as I used to be. I use it really just for promotion and things of that nature. But I also have a right-leaning, a black right-leaning Twitter feed. So it came through in a different way. Okay. Not as it came in as excoriating this piece, but I knew where the source material was. I guess I'm saying, is there some head shaking going on? Yeah, always. All this pandering. We're going to get into this document. What is pushing?

09:16 That's why I had to lay out the last show of who's in charge and where the narratives are coming from. And I truly believe this National Museum of African American History and Culture is a propaganda hub. It's going to be pushing things out like this. And like I said, this came out in December. And how can I say this? I know people close in corporate America. And right after that, you had the, it's all top 500, the what Fortune 500 companies, all of them are doing. are doing this. Because you don't want to be the guy not doing it.

09:58 So, you bring in the white fragility lady. I forget her name. Now, wasn't some of this coursework available on LinkedIn, the educational LinkedIn website? Was it? It's gone. It was. It was taken down. So that lets you know that it wasn't well received. So, right. Before we jump into, because that and what we're going to talk about, the parent document to what we've seen is going to, we're going to get way deep into that. But I wanted to pick up on a couple of things that you picked right up on it: the racial retribution.

10:42 And this is where the right always loses it. They had a great opportunity. Trump's doubled the black vote and the brown vote turn out from what they're normally getting. And instead of riding that progress, they come with terminology. Because if you look at the word retribution, it is punishment inflicted on someone as vengeance for a wrong or criminal act. Kind of the opposite of atonement. Well, Mr. Curry, I'm glad you brought that up because I didn't clip it, but we will be talking about this later. But our word, atonement,

11:22 yeah, yeah, yeah. Where did we find that in the wild? Who was saying that? That was at the HR 40 hearings. Right. Herschel Walker dropped it and he said reparations and atonement. He was reading it. And I almost thought I had a lot of it. He had notes, man. He was like, wait a minute. Hold on a second. We're going to show notes MoFax over here. Oh, yes. Atonement. That's the word I'm looking for. Yeah. That was pretty cool. Just to touch on that for one second, the words matter. We always said that reparations is a non-starter because when you say that word, then people hear retribution. Yeah. So where atonement is the offending party wants to

12:05 perform the act. Yeah. It's the point of performing the act, not being forced to do it. So I just want to point that out. And even though in this clip from Fox with Ingram on the Ingram Angle, she puts out good information. When you say words like that, it falls on deaf ears. And that just goes back to what you were saying. How was it received? People roll their eyes when they hear everything that follows that. It glosses over. Was that editorializing by Frau Ingraham or was she reading a direct quote?

12:43 She was editorial. She was. Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. Well, then, shame. But when people hear reparations from the right, they hear retribution. I mean, that's why I think it's a non-starter. But shame on her. There's no reason to do that. Yeah, it's not, but it's the party line. Yeah, I don't like it. Well, they have to evolve. Either evolve or, and they have a golden opportunity. Evolve or dissolve. Yes, exactly. And so we're going to get into part two of this. That was one of the clips that we covered in the last show, but I split it up into two parts. And so we're going to get into part B of that same throwback clip.

13:21 Now, the museum now has a website dedicated to explaining the concept of whiteness and why it's the root cause of racism and oppression in America today. According to the website, the normalization of white racial identity throughout America's history has created a culture where non-white persons are seen as inferior or abnormal. And when they say whiteness, they don't just mean skin color, but also people who value things like individualism, a stable nuclear family, the scientific method, rational linear thinking, hard work, Christianity, and being polite. Of course, these are all values that most Americans, especially African Americans, see as necessary for success and happiness.

14:07 So why in the heck is the African American History Museum telling them otherwise? They're pushing propaganda. That's why. I'm looking at their website again, and I'm like, oh, yeah, now I remember. Oh, boy. Yeah, because D'Angelo, Dr. D'Angelo, I believe she's a doctor. She's up there. They got bell hooks. I mean, they went whoa, whoa. So if you see the court, the corporate, they must have $100 million they got from these from the donors, the founding donors. It's Oprah Winfrey Charitable Foundation, $20 million or above. Of course, Bill and Melinda Gates. But if you look at the American Express, Boeing.

14:49 Boeing, Ford, GE, Fox, Bank of America, Disney, Glaxo, Smith, Klein, Johnson Johnson, Nike. It's like a who's who. Oh my gosh. It's anybody you can imagine. Every bank. These are the top 500 companies, the Fortune 500 companies plus, easily. This is a bonanza. Wow. And I wonder if this is part of that Time Magazine article, but we're not going to go down that. It's a whole separate rabbit hole, but I think it plays into that. But what I want to talk about today is the museum's attack on, as Ingram laid out, Ingram laid it out, scientific method/slash rational linear thinking, individualism, hard work,

15:39 Christianity slash being polite, and the stable nuclear family. All of these are targets. Right. All of these are targets. And I don't understand how getting rid of these things help so-called black people or quote-unquote black people. I don't understand how that works. We need to have linear thinking and scientific method. That way, I mean, as when we talked about the suspected issues with the election, we laid out the numerical facts. That's how you prove things. It's not emotion. So if you take numbers and well, we're going to, I'm going to go down the list. So we're going to start with scientific method and rational linear thinking.

16:23 So what we're going to do is we're going to go back a little bit. And we talked about the, I can understand where they come from, where they're coming from about there's some issues with how numbers are interpreted. And we, you know, it's interesting because I've tried to explain, and I don't do a great job. So I'll just set this up. When you hear math is racist, I usually say, look, Mo and I talked about this. That's because it goes back to the super predators when they had all these millions of kids who be running around killing everybody, chopping their heads off.

17:01 And it turned out that was just a bull crap like climate change. I'm sorry, climate change, or even the, you know, two and a half million people going to die in coronavirus. And therefore, because what they said can be disproven with mathematical truth, math has to be racist. Did I get it right like that? That's exactly what their claim is. But we're going to look at how this is true, but it's also dangerous when you throw statements out there like math is racist. So let's go ahead and jump into clip four: a super predator scare. A jogger murdered in New York Central Park. A little girl gunned down in her family's car in Los Angeles.

17:44 A judge has sentenced two boys for killing another child who refused to steal candy for them. There's a tidal wave of juvenile violent crime right over the horizon. And some who study it say the worst is yet to come. Life in the 1990s was dominated by a sense that youth violence was out of control. The future looked bleak. To explain why, one word said it all. Super predators. Some social scientists and criminologists looked at the data and saw doom. They stepped out of their ivory towers and into the public arena to sound the alarm about a coming wave of kids who are going to ravage the country.

18:26 Don't, dumb, dumb, duck, and I'm going to kill you. Beautiful. So they got it wrong. But the problem is that people from the Ivory Towers are the same people that's writing this propaganda that's coming out of the Smithsonian. So it's like, we got it wrong, but trust us, we'll get it right this time. So that was just a precursor. That was from Show Throwback Show, I mean, on Show 41. And well, I found some more evidence that possibly that math could be even more racist than we thought we even previously thought. Okay, all right. Let's just go ahead and hop into algamorithic bias explained.

19:10 Algorithms are everywhere. From powering our internet search results to taking out the guesswork in our online shopping experience. They are everywhere. We use and trust them each and every day to make countless decisions for us. Despite their seemingly neutral mathematical nature, algorithms, however, aren't necessarily any more objective than humans. Because at the end of the day, they are written by people. And this is where the phenomenon of algorithmic bias comes into play. It has many examples. Like when Nikon cameras equipped with the blink detection feature, wouldn't snap photos of many of its Asian users because the software thought their eyes. eyes were never opened. Or how Amazon's Alexis struggles to recognize different accents.

19:49 And when Google Translate insistently associates certain jobs with certain genders while translating sentences with gender-neutral pronouns from languages like Turkish, Finnish, and Chinese. In 2015, Google's photo recognition tool mistakenly tagged a photo of two black people as gorillas. Meanwhile, in the US, a crime predicting algorithm wrongly labeled black people re-offenders at nearly twice the rate of white people. You see the pattern here? Algorithm bias is rooted in the way AI artificial intelligence algorithms work by using what's called machine learning and deep learning, which are both ways in which computers make decisions. Both are simply dependent on data, a huge amount of it, and ultimately the people who feed the data.

20:34 Yeah, I know a lot about this, actually. And that's why I want you taking this ride with me. So it's not that math is racist, addition, subtraction, and calculus, and differential equations. Those are not racist. No. It's the notions that the people who feed and interpret the data and the companies they work for are putting out racist products if you want to make that leap. Go ahead. Well, that's really what's so interesting to me about the conversation is because the algorithm and the computer can only represent that which was put in by the creators.

21:14 And, you know, it's like if you had the exact right amount, that's why they talk about equity all the time. But if you had the proportionally to the population, the exact right amount of programmers or people who would input this information, you'd still get a whole bunch of bias because people are biased. You know, it's never, it's never going to be right. Never, ever. It's not even that. It's the end user. They never take the end user in mind as well. No, they don't care. They don't care about the end user. Let's just take the let's just take black black out the picture for a minute and just speak about the Chinese. Yeah. The camera wouldn't take a picture because the blink detection thought, I mean, because they have a naturally closed eye.

22:00 Where was the outrage over that? I wish I had known that one. That's funny. Yeah. But did they give their product to Asian test market and get that feedback back? Or did they just test it with? Yeah. So we have the whole, as they listed, Amazon, Google. Google's calling black people apes. I mean, like, so, well, I mean, but to be fair, algorithms are gorillas, excuse me. So algorithms aren't just biased based upon external features of what someone looks like. There's the algorithms being applied to people's credit ratings and insurance policies.

22:45 And it can be based on many factors that can be wrong. So the algorithms, you just remove the human factor and it's just going to suck for a lot of people. It always does. And this is true, but what I'm saying is these companies that are offending turn around and support this museum and their efforts, but their products are the problem. And the way they do their data analysis and data feeding, that's the problem. But no, it's math. No, math is racist. Of course, it's not us. Yeah, it's not us. It's the math. Yes. It's so sick. It's so sick.

23:25 Oh, it gets sicker because now we're going to go over to Mr. Haney Farid. He is a Darth Professor. And what he's going to talk about is this criminal justice algorithm. Oh, there you go. You have almost all been subject to a computerized predictive algorithm of the following form. If you like X, you may like Y. Now, you may be less aware that you've also may have been subjected to a predictive algorithm of the form. If you are like X, we may not give you a loan.

24:02 Banks, financial institutions routinely use your personal attributes, compare them to previous customers to assess the risk to the institution in terms of giving you a loan or mortgage. You may have also recently been subjected to a predictive algorithm of the form. If you are like X, we may not give you a job. Employers, and in some cases, university admissions are using predictive algorithms to make hiring and admission decisions. And if you've recently had a run-in with the criminal justice system, well, I'm sorry, first of all.

24:40 And second of all, you may have been subjected to a predictive algorithm of the following form. If you are like us, then you may go to jail. Courts now are routinely using predictive algorithms to make decisions in the courtroom. One particularly popular and now widespread algorithm is used at the point of arrest to make bail decisions. Yeah, it's not that the algorithms are wrong, it's all racist. Get rid of bail. Yeah, exactly. So, as we think over here at the MoFax with Adam Curry show, is this a case of Hegelian dialectic?

25:23 That way, you create the problem and you provide the solution to the problem. Right. So, it's like, so you say, how do we get rid of math? All right, let's make our algorithms racist. And then we could push and say, you know what? It's not about mathematics and what you can prove and facts. It's about what you feel. It's what feels good. It's about what feels good. And these companies get even richer off of manipulating the algorithms. But yeah, I mean, so basically, it's a closed loop. It's a closed loop. You can just amplify it. You can do all kinds of cool stuff with that. That's really good. That's a great way to do it.

26:07 Yeah. So that's just amazing that judges are not calculating and looking at your record, or, you know, lawyers are not looking at your record and say, well, he's a repeat offender. They throw your record into the LGO. Yeah, whatever it says. And he's a repeat offender. And be clear. Oh, let's be clear. As we always say, what starts here, what starts with platforms. Yeah, I know. Yeah. You think this is not going to be used? Oh, it already is. Oh, I think it already is, Moe. Oh, definitely. And you know what? The same stuff is being used in healthcare, my friend. So you have these symptoms.

26:53 Here's the medication you need. Yeah, no. Or even, oh, you bought high salt food. You bought high sugar food. Yep. Insurance rate. Your premiums, your premiums. You're like, why's my premiums keep going up? And we saw this with the car insurance situation where they had used to have that thing that you would plug into your, I think it's called an OEM, O onboard, no, OBD. You would plug it in and ride around for a week or two. And they would take your data and then they would give you a lower insurance rate. Yep. Progressive has that now.

27:29 You can see a little dongle, I think. Or even, not even that. I think it just, I think they just, as long as you have it on in your car with your smartphone, your smartphone is passing back the data. They can almost know everything. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That's fantastic. These companies give you a discount if you download the app and give you, now, if you've roasted assistance, you know, if you need it, we can find you with this GPS, but they're tracking this is what credit karma is all about. This is the most egregious credit. Well, don't talk about my credit. Me and you always disagree with credit karma. We can have this discussion because this is a perfect episode to have it.

28:08 Go ahead. And I'll explain to you why I like credit karma. Credit karma is managing its users initially to help them get better credit scores, then to help them get a loan based upon those or a larger line of credit. And now they've moved towards: if you stream your videos with Netflix, you'll get a better credit score. And next, it'll be if you watch this video, you get a little extra credit score. But we noticed you watched that video that made your credit score go down. That's coming. So I'm against all this. So I'm going to explain to you why. The whole idea of a credit score is nut.

28:48 It's not even a real credit score. Well, no, it is not, but it correlates to your, you know, the official credit score that, you know, lenders. Not really, but that's debatable. Debatable. If that one goes up, typically the one that they bank. And the reason why I say I like it, I understand the game. They're collecting my data in there. You know, I get that. But beforehand, before these apps came along, people were credit illiterate. I mean, you knew that you paid your bills and that kind of thing. But knowing how to manipulate your credit score, now it's gamified.

29:28 I mean, if you know how to play the system with that bad boy. you could get your credit score to boom. And I'll say this: being a so-called black man, I'm going to get there. But what do you need? What do you need the credit score for? You, what, Mo, what do you need your credit score for? When I bought a home, when I go to buy a car, just knowing. I mean, like I said, what it did explain to all, and I don't want to make a long thing out of this, but what it did was it explains all the components of a credit score, which this is how racism used to work.

30:08 A lot of this knowledge would be hid behind walls and doors. And this is why racism has changed in the information age. It's not that I'm accepting of credit karma the company per se, but letting people be educated about how to affect your credit in a positive way. This is all new to us. And what I mean is when I speak, when I speak out, I talk about the working class. I got you. The problem I have is that with most of these systems, you're giving them access to your bank account and they can see all your transactions. And that's just evil shit. But I'm in the school of they already see it. I mean, so I mean, if I'm, I guess, and that I think this is where our age difference

30:52 plays into effect because I was, I'll accept that. I was 20. I was 21 in 2001. So I'm just used to being used to being surveilled. So, I mean, it's just a. I'm sorry to hear that. Well, I mean, that's the reality of it. So, when you've come from that angle, where they're surveilling me anyway, there's nothing private anyway. I just think I'll take the benefits of it. I understand the gamified. I got it all. You're probably, I know, you are a stronger individual than most. There's a lot of tricks being played in this whole, not just credit karma specifically, but these types of apps.

31:37 There's multiple kinds. And they are, in essence, trying to get people into deeper debt and get them to buy things based upon what the algo thinks they will want. That's all. It's funny. It's funny that you say that. I think a lot of people don't know that. I think most people probably don't know that. And it's funny that you say that because me and E-Class, AK coach was having this same exact conversation. I'm not a person that wants to protect people from things. I only want to educate people of all the ramifications and then let people freely choose how, you know, because we can't put up safeguards. Like, no, no, no, you can't do that.

32:22 You can't do this. But this is kind of like what we do with the show. I mean, we don't tell you what to think. We should just explain what the manipulation is. And if you want to continue to participate in it, it's your choice. But understand what you're getting to. So I'll bring that back around. But yeah, I mean, with good comes bad, right? With the algorithms and all these things. This is all new to us. And that's why I said, like, being black in the information age, it was totally different from being black in the 1960s and 70s and even pre-internet, because there was no way you could get a main line to China to get your products made.

33:04 And I know people are like, well, why are you buying from China? But it's like, well, if the whole industry is buying from China and I'm trying to be a small business person, this is the first time we had that kind of access. Got it. So I'm just explaining to you. I mean, just, I mean, we got what we do here, we humanize and we don't, you know, the we humanize these functions that we use. And that's it's a gift and a curse. So you have to be educated. I mean, I think people want not be educated. And that's not the way it works. We agree on that for sure. Well, that's what we're talking about here.

33:46 They're trying to destroy education. This is the role. This is the role of this document. And let's get back into the criminal justice algorithm. One particularly popular and now widespread algorithm is used at the point of arrest to make bail decisions. And conceptually, it's a pretty simple idea. A defendant who's been charged with a crime is information is extracted from them and is fed into a computer algorithm. And that computer algorithm outputs a risk factor. And that risk factor is meant to quantify the likelihood that that person will commit a crime in the future.

34:25 Think of a really simple version of the minority report. Without without the creepy people in the pools. And if you are assessed to be high risk, well, then the judge may deny bail and you will be held in prison awaiting trial. And if you are assessed to be low risk, then you may be released pending trial. Now, in 2016, investigative journalists from ProPublica published a troubling report on one particularly popular and widespread predictive algorithm that is used in the courts around this country. And what they found is that this particular algorithm was significantly disadvantageous to black defendants.

35:07 What they found is that if you were a black defendant, you are nearly twice as likely to be predicted as reoffending when you did not. That happened 44% of the time if you were black, and only 23% of the time if you are white. That is a staggering difference. And at the same time, you were almost twice as likely to be predicted as not offending when in fact you did if you were white as compared to black. That happened 47% of the time versus 28% of the time. So in other words, the algorithm is biased to black defendants against black defendants. So who? But my question is, what I find interesting about this, the algo was biased against black defendants, but this particular algorithm, does it take skin color into the equation?

36:00 I think it's the bubble that you fill out in the scantron. It's like white, black, or, you know, his, you know, I think that's, of course, I mean, I don't think they so, so that's they're looking at your data, right? They're looking at the could it could have been, well, there's a particular type. I'm just playing devil's advocate for a second because this is always bothering me about this story because it always comes right after, like we did. You know, okay, so the algorithm saw black people as guerrillas, and then it was biased against black people. They sent them to, they, they'd lock them up more often than give them bail. And so that would imply that in the algorithm, some set of factors plus black is

36:47 no go. Yes. That would have to be programmed there on purpose. Exactly. Because that is that is not just a guerrilla mistake. You know, that I can see how a computer that doesn't have enough information can maybe not make that distinction initially. But this has to be if it's any set of circumstances, same two people, except one is filled up black on the bubble and then they go to jail, then that's on purpose. I can't see it no other way. And that's that's my point. It is.

37:23 We have to look into these companies. Yeah, we need to see what's going on. Yeah. And this should really be a class action lawsuit because when you say giving granting people bail, say if you got like trying to maybe like a DWI, right? Which I um that's something you should be able to come home for pretty quick. But if you DWI Texas, that's not in Texas. Like 48 hours. I mean, but say they give you an inordinate, you know, saying inordinately large bail and you miss work. You miss work, you lose your job, you lose your job. These things devastate people's lives. And it's just somebody coding like, oh, yeah, it's an accuracy rate, right?

38:07 It's like, oh, we were, you know, 97% accurate with our decisions, but you're going to screw somebody over by, you know, basing it off of not skin color. And I'm glad you brought that up. This is about corporate designation. This is about racial designation. Yeah, there's something going on. So this is why we always talk about white and black and what it really is. And we've expounded on that a bunch and we may get into that a little later. But yeah, this is just another line in the code that says if they mark black, higher bail. That really needs to be disclosed. Because I recall these stories.

38:47 Wasn't that code eventually brought up and didn't people look at it? Or is that still not happening? They looked at it and then they probably made a donation and it goes away, right? I mean, and then where's all these Soros DAs at? Yeah. Yeah. Where are the Soros sisters? Summon the Soros sisters here. Summon the sisters. Yeah. This is why they're supposedly supposed to be elected to fight the systemic racism. Yeah, exactly. This is actually systemic. This is for real. This is by definition. Yes. The system is written or coded. to say if you're black, hey, you could hire Bill. You know, I just

39:30 it just finally hit me. It's like, the computer didn't scam the person standing there. No, there's no data there that's going to make that person more guerrilla-like. It's just, it probably doesn't say black, it just says African-American. Right. Yeah, that needs to be investigated. That's that's really messed up. There's no other way than on purpose. So I understand where they're coming with their issue with rational linear thinking and the scientific method and math more in general. Right. This is how, but then they jump the shark. And we have to go back to show 14 because we were on top of this a long time ago.

40:09 And this is math is racist. The opposite of Donald Trump is an Asian man who likes math. Andrew Yang may want to rethink that catchphrase because apparently math is racist. Seattle's public schools are considering a proposal that would mix social justice in with math, including studying how math has been appropriated by Western culture and that math itself is racist. And Delesio Parson is a sociologist and educator who agrees with the premise of the proposal and joins me now.

40:51 All right. So, and let me let me just see I'm confused, so you understand what's going on. I am bad at math. And if math is racist, then I'm also white. Does that make me too dumb to be racist or not racist enough to be good at math? Not racist enough. Jesse, that's such a long conversation. First of all, remember Dr. Delasio Parson. Yes, Dr. Parsons. So please don't refer to me by Ann, but I appreciate it.

41:29 Okay. Excuse me. Let me just show you my badge here for a moment. Dr. Ann. That's right. Dr. Ann to you, Mr. Jesse Waters. And does that not ring your privilege? Was she now? She's white? No, I'm talking about educational academic privilege. Oh, you will refer to me as doctor. Of course it does. Anyone who does that is a douche. But how do you not miss that? It's like your whole life work is based off of privilege. And then as soon as somebody that calls you by your

42:11 professional moniker, then you know, it's because she's there for the cause. You better call me doctor. She's there for the cause. Don't you understand, Mo? She's on the battlefield against an actual racist. No, and that's, that's why you asked me before. I think black people, so-called black people, quote-unquote black people are so over these these these liberals because their pandering is so disgusting and it's the thing my dad yeah he always told me growing up he's like writing reading that's you know you can get graded anyway on that i mean there's some test technical aspects to grammar and uh no uh i mean you know english and writing but

43:01 math that's the fairest shit you can get yeah as a person of uh disadvantage because when you give me that test there are right answers to those questions and if i get the right answers then i've proven myself knowledgeable right where if i'm writing an essay you can grade it on how you feel you know it's all subjective so yeah as long as you show how you got the wrong answer right and that's the other thing even if you show your work showing even if you show your work you know it can be can be deemed racist i know it's horrible all right so that's what irks me about i mean because we played this clip on show 14 so we were we were on top of this ways off yeah way back

43:45 because i understand so if you take math out of it then we can't make the case of the previous clips to say look at these results you know you see you see how destabilizing of society is when you take rational linear thinking and uh mathematics out of the picture well what's that what's crazy is that there's never a good explanation for it and everyone just goes oh okay you're an idiot and then they keep saying it there's there's no resolution ever of this issue well you make a good point so let's go that dr Ann try to explain what she means. Tell me why math is racist, Doctor. Yes. So you, it's funny.

44:30 On November 6th, 2016, I was at a conference on statistics and I raised my hand and I was like, are you telling me statistics are racist? And that was what almost three years ago. And I was really confused when I asked the question and spent years reading about many different things. Have you, Jesse, read Native Sun, which I gave you last time we met? I read it in high school, but I have not reread it since the last time you gave it to me. But what does that have to do with is math racist?

45:07 So the critical race theory is a framework for understanding the world that helps us understand that this entire country is racist, right? We have a white supremacist caste system, racial caste system in the United States. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Can you just stop for one second? Are you saying that all white people in America are racist? Yeah, I am too. Sometimes it happens. We were socialized with the process of socialization and learning about social norms. So your race happened. You're a racist. Occasionally, it happens. I usually apologize when I realize it. How are you a racist? What do you think makes you superior?

45:50 Jesse, that question doesn't make sense. Well, isn't racism the belief that one race is inherently superior than another race, and then you discriminate against other races? That is a piece of racism, but you gave a definition that's really old. Yeah, there is. And language evolves over time. Race and white supremacy. What are race and white supremacy today? Yeah, okay. They are structures that affect us all. So people do things that are racist all the time, myself included, because we don't realize that's happening. Like microaggressions. Okay. Yeah, I love it. Just that's the old, old definition of the word.

46:33 You're old man. You got it all wrong. It's not what the new kids think. So you see the conflation on top of the conflation on top of the conflation because you say, one, we have some algorithms and way products are programmed to do racist things. So you say math is racist in general. All math. Two plus two is four is racist. And then you say the other conflation she does is racism and microaggressions. Yeah. That's the very end there. Yeah. That's very that's crazy to say, okay, if you make a microaggression, that makes you a racist, which the reason why I make this point is then everybody become racist.

47:23 And if that's the case, then no one becomes racist. And then you can't, you know, that's just racist thinking right there, Mo. You got to stop. You can't think like that. I know I did some math to get to that point. You used that racist formula. Right. But that is, that's very dangerous because when real racist acts happen, then people are, oh, they'll just equate it to a microaggression. And it is, and that's not the case. That's a very good point. That's a very good point. And how much of that is maybe even planned so that it becomes completely normalized. You know what I'm saying?

48:06 This goes back to the Heideggerian dialectic. And it's like, you know, are you trying to get rid of racism? Because if you are, you just make it so benign that it doesn't mean anything. Yeah. Which I think I'm going to say this, and I probably shouldn't say this. I think there's some factions in this country that want to get rid of ADOS, foundational black, native black people as a whole, because that's the way you get rid of the great, the great sin of America. And then it's like, we can restart with these new black people that we brought in to stand in. Oh, that's it. And we can move forward. Right. Huh. And

48:50 they don't have the same stake in the game. No, I mean, that's just like. They're just showing up for the goodies. Well, not only that, but you don't realize that we're missing. Because you'll see about everyday life. You'll see black people. You know, I mean, it's like, right, right, right, right. Oh, yeah. What do you mean? Because you'll say, you notice that they say you're the ADOS. population drops like to 5%. But you, you know, we know the 13% is standard for this country for black people from the horse race that you did last week. I mean, our last show. Right, right, right, right. So if you drop the ADOS population down to 5% and raise the immigrant and, you know,

49:36 the new, you know, the post-racial black people, let's just say post-slavery black people. Yeah. You bring those in to up to 8%. That makes you 13%. People looking around. No one notices. Wow. And then you heard what Joe Biden said, and he doubled down on that. I ain't even captured that in this show, but I'll bring it up again. This great solution is just interracial marriages, which I have no problem with. You love what you love, but that's your solution. Is to you got to water, you got to water that black down some. You know, you got to put some cut on it. Wow. Yeah, I guess, yeah. Yeah. That's how I heard it. Of course.

50:17 Well, I mean, come on. Everybody heard what he said. And but it goes unnoticed or not unnoticed, but it's just not, it's not allowed to be discussed, I guess, or something in the mainstream. But he said it again. I know he, I know he keeps doing it on the town hall. And no one, no one says, hey, what do you mean? What are you talking about? And like I said, I don't say this from a racial standpoint. I say this from a completely vain, a completely vain standpoint. That I want to make people that look like me. You know, I mean, that's the, I told you, being a parent is the most vain thing you could do in life.

50:58 Is you know, hey, let me make another me. And even if your kids turn out to look like the other half of the genetics, you're a little bummed out. So it's not even about race. It's like, you know, it's a, it's a, it's a, um, it's a vanity thing that you want to, you know, you want to recreate because you think you're so awesome. The world needs another little mo. You know, I'll be held two or three. God help us. More mo. Yeah. So that's, that's, I, I, it's very, very troubling.

51:36 So she did this weird definition of white supremacy. So now we have to go back to the show's definite definition we refer to on this show. Yep. And that comes from Nilly Fuller. And he defines racism and white supremacy. Well, that's what we are on the system of white supremacy. That's the most powerful government that the world has ever seen. And that's the title of it, by the way. It doesn't go by any other title, even though we sometimes call it by other titles. But the accurate title for the government that we are under is in capital letters, the system of white supremacy worldwide.

52:16 There's just one world government, and that's the only government in town, the only government on the planet that really counts, that is worthy of having the title of government. Yeah. So for all the non-believers, you can't say, and this goes to my conspiracy theorist/slash truthers. You can't say the Illuminati or the globalist or these groups exist and then say that white supremacy doesn't exist because that's what we're saying. When we say that, we're saying they're synonymous. Yes, exactly.

52:56 So when they make it about this, I mean, this racial superiority and all of that, no, or these microaggressions. No, we're talking about a cold hard system that imposes its will no matter what the people want. And we're seeing that now. And no matter what color those people are. It does. It just starts with us. I can tell you. It's just with a beta test. It's just like, okay, how's that bell working? How's that bell working? Oh, yeah. Okay. Beta test. But that's what it is. That's how we feel. And that's how we feel with the vaccine and everything else. Oh, you just want to test it out on us.

53:41 But it doesn't. Everybody's going to end up getting it, but it just starts with us. But the thing is, our numbers are so small, we can't withstand these attacks. And I can't call it any other thing. We can't withstand these attacks because our numbers can't absorb that hit. I mean, say white people are 50, 60%. We're at 13. If you're talking about interracial, we'll be gone. And then they'll wake up one day, like, you know. you know what? We need to change this practice that we're doing. But then we're gone. That's a real possibility. I mean, that does seem to be the overall.

54:23 Well, even the Calergy plan, that was always the idea to a brown population in Europe. So it makes total sense that that's the idea here. And that's what Malcolm said about the hot coffee and the cool, the cool cream. I mean, you mix it half and half. You don't have coffee or cream, which coffee and cream both have purposes. And they have need. They're needed in this society. In their own separate entities, yes. Exactly. So, I mean, I just wanted to bring that up. So, I mean, that pretty much wraps the scientific method and rational linear thing. But that's going to weave its way in and out of the rest of the episode. But I just want to go out and checklist of things that they're trying to destroy. And when you do that, it's, I don't, I don't know. I find that very problematic.

55:07 But now we're going to talk about individualism. So now we're going to go back to the Ingraham angle or Ingram Hangle. I think you got to be saying Ingram. Frau Ingraham. Yeah. So we're going back to her. And this goes to show you the lack of individualism that free-thinking black people can have. The way these two correspond back and forth to each other. And I forget that it's Cooper versus Scotty, excuse me, Horace Cooper versus Scotty Smart.

55:44 And just listen to this exchange they have. Horace, it strikes me as odd that this African American Museum would scandalize things that the data has always shown help Americans, including African Americans, climb up the ladder. So you have a $500 million that's a half a billion dollar structure or edifice that apparently thinks its purpose is to offer advice to cripple black America, to say to black America the very tools that black Americans, like white Americans, have

56:23 used to succeed and become prosperous. Hard work, tenacity, faith, the types of success skills that work to call those somehow a racial category would make David Duke proud. This is really, really sad if that's the direction this museum is trying to go. The way he said David Duke was hilarious. It makes me laugh. But he's right. These are the things we said, you know, hard work, faith.

57:01 And I'm not specifically saying Christianity, but I would say this when a person has some kind of faith system, especially my people or our people, they, you know, it tends to help them deal with society. You know, I mean, I think that's in general, but I just can only speak specifically to our group because it gives you some kind of thought process, you know, and coping mechanism. Stable family, like I said, scientific method, hard work. These are all things that we would talk. I mean, you work hard, you know, go to school, get a good education, make yourself a productive member of society.

57:45 And you'll do all right. I mean, you'll be okay. Yeah, you'll see you. You'll figure it out. I'll say this. You'll lessen the chance that the system will chew you up and spit you out. And that's a real sentiment. I know people might think that's hyper, no, but that's that is the feeling. That's part of the talk that goes on. I mean, the talk is, like I said, is a long and conversant conversation between parents and children. And, you know, and I think looking at parents my age, I think I would say it was less of that.

58:29 It was more like your parents worked hard to make sure you can have an education. Once you have that, you're going to be okay. And I'm generalizing. I'm generalizing, but I think that may have been a little less of a work-hard mentality. It's just my general feeling. Well, okay. Yeah, I see what you're saying. But from our side, it's like you had to, and this is. I know. I don't know how I feel about this statement. Yeah, I don't know how I feel about this. this statement, but it was said. It was like, you have to work twice as hard. You have to work twice as hard.

59:11 And I don't think that's. I don't think I agree with that. No, I'm saying, I'm telling you, that's what we were told. Yeah. You know what I mean? You have to work twice as hard to have. And like I said, that's why I said I don't know how I feel about that statement because when you say it to your kids, you're saying you're half as good in a roundabout way. But then it goes back to our previous conversation. Is it better to know that there's this lingering system out there? This is the approach you took with our data and how we interact with these big companies. Is it better to know or is it better just to learn the system and navigate it? I think knowing and learning the system and navigating the system

59:56 is necessary for many children in many different situations. But connecting it and saying, because of who you were born as, therefore, you have to work twice as hard. I don't think that's a positive association that does any good. But, you know, like, hey, you're poor and this is going to suck. And here's what you're going to have to do. And you're going to have to kick some ass to get there. But not necessarily, you know, just because. You know what I mean? I think children need a different kind of thing. But the problem is that, how can I say this? The problem is when you don't want to tell your kids, oh, you can go to school and be a C student and be president.

1:00:40 And yet, Barack Obama did it. That's what's amazing. Well, I was thinking, Bush. Another fine example. There's plenty of dumb presidents. But what I'm saying is that even Barack Obama had to give the appearance that he was an intellectual. Right. He couldn't have Bush's resume and be president. So I'm just giving you an example. And I'm not saying, like I said, I prefaced it by saying I don't know how I feel about that. And I don't say that to my kids explicitly to say, hey, you got to work twice as hard. But I say to them, and I kind of got this from, and like I said, this is where you learn from different cultures.

1:01:20 You don't want to be an A student. You want to be the best student in the class. And I learned that from my Indian friends because in India, that's how it's ranking. It's no grade. Right, right, right, right. So that's why they kick our butt when they come over here because they're fighting to be the best, not just everybody gets an A or, you know, everybody gets a B. It's like, there's only one number one. So I get, like I said, I don't know. I don't know how I feel about that. But it's a real sentiment that's said that, you know, you have to be twice as good. Totally understand. Work twice as hard. Yeah, I'm just trying to so many different scenarios, but maybe it is unique. I don't know. It's hard for me to say. But like I said, I feel you.

1:02:03 That's if you want to interact with the system. And that's why I say now in the information age where you can invest and start a business. Oh, you can explore the depths of it. You can explore your mind, your ideas, your dreams. Right. Where you used to be confined to what were your, you know, the opportunities that were around. I got it. I got it. Education is racist, Mo. That's it. I figured it out. Education is racist, man. Stay away from me. Shit, it all out. The whole thing, not just math. You think math? It's the whole thing.

1:02:41 Especially PE, all racist. But the notion that when black men say work hard and we want a stable family and we use logic and reason, that's how we get labeled as the white people of black people. Right. So it's really from that notion. So it's really not just destructive towards black people, this idea of all these everything the museum stands for. It's really also just eliminating black men who, by the way, are just not showing up anymore in the logos or anywhere.

1:03:24 What were we trading the other day? We were sending something back and forth. That was the, what was that from the UN? UN, United Nations. They had every variety of person. Two men together, black and white men, one woman loving herself for self-love. Intergenerational. It was an old man with a young guy, interracial. And then the black woman, the one that was clearly, it was an illustration. It was a cartoon. But clearly, the black woman was expressing self-love. And she was crazy. Yeah. But that's the goal. And now you can say, I'm. I'm conspiratorial or paranoid, but from these actions, yes, they want to get rid of us because if they get rid of us, then you get rid of the race.

1:04:09 Period. Hey, question. Point blank, period. So in this case, we're actually talking about black, black men. Like, we've never even met, but I think you're pretty black. So, like, Corey. Last time I checked. No, not me. Yeah. I understand what you're saying. But Corey Booker, black man. No, it's not color. See, that's why we can't get a lot about color. But wait a minute. I'm trying to connect the whole circle. If we want to have a mocha color throughout the entire universe, which is clearly the idea, then will there be a bias more towards getting rid of black black men versus brown black men? Because then it is about color. Because that is kind of the identification they're doing.

1:04:54 Does that make any sense? I think it's getting rid of, I'm going to say this, it's getting rid of black men. And when I'm saying that, men who identify as so-called ADAS or whatever, getting rid of men, men are under attack. Yes. And specifically, if it starts with us, who are the first men that are going to be put under attack? Well, and it's like if we can get them, then the whole rest of the world falls into place. So when I say black men, I'm saying people, men who operate like men and work off logic and reason and hard work and those things.

1:05:36 If we can get the subset of black men that identify with their maleness or their manliness, we can take them out. Then we can have the betas. I don't hate using those kind of terms. No, no, no. Hold on a second. This is good because everything is the white man's fault right now. It's not the same thing as what's happening to black men. The white man, it's all old white men, all your fault. You're a-holes, you're misogynistic, you're man-splaining. You're no good. No good. But we are always portrayed as wimps. No, honey, I'm sorry. I got the wrong washing powder. That's B. The Doofus again.

1:06:15 Right. The black man has a much stronger, much more masculine image in society still. And I brought that point up before that when you talk about masculinity, if we're talking about societal masculinity, white men are the pinnacle. And what I mean by that is benefiting from the inheritance and generational wealth and things of that nature. But when we talk about physical masculinity, black men are the pinnacle. Right. But masculinity is no longer.

1:06:52 Masculinity is no longer the banker, the successful businessman. In fact, the Trump type businessman, that has to be erased. That's none of it. White men don't exist like that. We're balding, we're fat, we're hunched over. Right. You know, we're anything but cool. And that's why you started with the sports leagues when you wanted to bring in this new thought. Right. You have the pinnacle of white masculinity intermingling with the pinnacle of black masculinity. And it's a cultural war because LeBron James, you would say he's the pinnacle of masculinity, period, because he's 6'9, 270 pounds, and can jump, you know, jump, run, and, you know, and intelligent and all these things.

1:07:35 And then, but he's owned by a, when I say own the team, he's owned by owner. He's owned by a Chinaman, really, but that's right. Well, yeah, that's, but the optics is that he's owned by a white man, and these two masculinities clash. And the powers that be are playing them off each other. Yeah. Hoping that they destroy each other and then we'll have somebody rank. Well, we don't get too far. I like that. No, no, I like it. I'd like it. Okay. I'm sorry. You keep moving, Mo. I'm just diving in with you. Yeah. So just an example of this, you heard Horace Cooper speak, and now Scotty Smart is going to come in. And well, we'll see what Scotty does. I think that I actually love the article.

1:08:19 I think that a lot of people should actually go and read the article. We can't keep pushing whiteness and white privilege under the rug and act like that's not an issue. It's a deep-rooted issue that we have to address. And I think even to have two black people, myself and Horace, to be against one another to have a debate on this topic is a whole matter of whiteness in itself because he's going to sit here and try to contradict what we're talking about. And so I don't want to talk over Horace. I don't want to be disrespectful to Horace, but Horace is that token black friend that only a few white people have as well. And so we're not here to debate or not to have a dialogue, but we have to have this conversation.

1:08:54 conversation between it's an uncomfortable conversation that most people aren't willing to have and to educate blacks and whites on our different perspectives, different narratives that we have that we grow up within. So, to have someone who is a representation of black people on your internet, so Scotty, so I invited you on the show in good faith to actually have a conversation. And yet, you come on the show and you kind of give a little backhand to Horace and it said dehumanizing. Well, it's dehumanizing to call someone a token, it's dehumanizing, and that's that's language that I, whether you're white, black, brown-skinned, whatever you are, that's a that's a dehumanizing word.

1:09:35 Um, he's a human being with thoughts, maybe he disagrees with you. That's okay, I don't care that you disagree with him, but but you call them a token to Horace, right? You mean no disrespect? Okay, go ahead. So, I mean, no disrespect to Horace, no disrespect, Token. I mean, you're taking it the wrong way, Token. Um, because okay, now we got to get into some linguistics here. Because remember, we had the conversation about thug, right? And thug being synonymous with the N-word when used by a certain crowd. Now, token were used by one black person against another black person is the same thing as saying coon coon level, yeah.

1:10:20 Yeah, so that's what I mean. He says, No, I don't mean any disrespect token, but uh, you're only here because the white man wants you to do it, do his bidding for him. But this, the this is projection because the only reason that Scotty's here is for that very reason exactly, it's always projection, but I would say this about Horace: Horace should have stopped uh Ingraham and her tracks and said, No, I don't need you to speak for me because the way the optics looked is he attacked a black man and his white woman had to come to his rescue him. Yeah, yeah, I would have nipped that right in the bud. Like, no, no, no, no, no, let me handle Scotty, right?

1:11:05 But he's only here, he's only there to do the bidding of the liberals, which that's why I said we we see the game now, we see it. That's we've been seeing it, we saw it in the 2020 election. That's the numbers were fun, and I'm not gonna go there. I want this to be able to go on YouTube. I'm sorry, oh, don't talk about the numbers. Oh, can't have it. No, but what I'm saying, if we see, we are just as distrusting or more distrusting of the liberal narrative than a conservative narrative because the conservative narrative makes sense. So, maybe it's like maybe someone should alert the liberal, uh, the liberals about this.

1:11:47 The alienating people, they don't care because we're not human. We heard what she said, you're dehumanizing. You, you, you, do you not realize what happened in the 2020 election? Black men that speak for themselves were dehumanized, eliminated really from the entire conversation. It's gone when you say, Oh, why would you vote for a person like or this or that? It's like you just are totally nullified. Like, shut up, yeah, go to your corner. I want to hear your explanation. So, it's like, okay, you're allowed to speak because the powers that be like what you're saying, Scotty.

1:12:24 Where Horace would be shouted down, which what I'm saying, what I would say is, and this is where we go back to the list, let's bring it out, the facts, and weigh them out. And whoever has the best set of facts wins. But that's not what they do. And they make it about feeling, they get rid of facts, make it about feelings. And then, you know, whoever has the best narrative wins. Yeah. So it's, I mean, like I said, I found that very disgusting. For you to be sent on Fox News, somebody, you know, put him up there. And I know he didn't have any leg to stand on to, you know, to make an argument for the thing they're trying to get rid of.

1:13:06 So he made it a, you know, a personal attack on Horace. Right. Which was, in your words, that was chicken shit. I mean, I mean, you know, so I mean, I didn't like that at all. But that's, that's the way they do. I mean, it's just, they just dehumanize you. And I think that's why we, that's why we humanize here. So, um, so now we need to get to examining what illustrated and what defined black individualism. And we're going to talk about one, Mr. Melville John Herkovitz. Have you ever heard of him before? No, I don't think so. Let me give you a little background on him and then we can jump right into clip 13.

1:13:48 So he was American. American anthropologist who helped establish African and African-American studies, help established, okay, African-American studies and American academia. He was known to known for exploring the cultural continuity from African cultures as expressed in African-American communities. He worked for his wife, I mean, worked with his wife, Frances Herkowitz, as an anthropologist and in the field in South America, Caribbeans, and Africa. So he basically is the father of African-American history. So he would be the guy that would be know something that, well, he's no longer around, I presume.

1:14:32 No. So he died in 63. Is he involved with this museum somehow? Well, a lot of his work is, you know, is the foundation. Yeah, it's the foundation of what they teach of the African aspects of Ados. And what made this guy the expert? Well, let's get into 13 and find out. What is a Negro in the sense that the term is used in the United States? Obviously, one only has to look at the great degree of crossing, tremendous variation in color, with Mark American Negro.

1:15:14 I hear the voice of Melville J. Herskovitz, and what I wonder is, how did a white man come to know so much about black people? Probably more than any other American, Melville Herskovitz is the person who demonstrates that African Americans are connected to Africans. He was a leading anthropologist in the 20th century, but he was also a kind of social paradox. You look at Herskovitz through one angle, he sets the terms for our understanding of the relationship between Africa and black people in the Americas. From another angle, you might see him as someone who appropriates a certain kind of knowledge. From another angle, he's the son of Jewish immigrants and he's trying to sort out his own position in America.

1:15:58 Right. I always like to think of him as kind of the Elvis of African American studies. On the one hand, you might think of someone like Elvis as someone who takes things that blacks have already been doing and he gets the credit for them. On the other hand, you can say, well, here's a guy who actually mainstreams rock and roll. Yeah, it's a good question. That is a very good question. How this, and I don't mean to bring up his ethnicity, but this Jewish man jumps all the African-American scholars to be the spokesperson, or as the speaker put it, the Elvis Presley of Black history.

1:16:40 Who either ripped it off or he popularized it, whichever way you want to go with that? That's a toughie. Yeah, but if you popularize it, then you define it at the same time, which that's the problem. Yep. So he's a very interesting character, but like I said, a lot of what he did was the modern African-American studies is based off his work. Right. It's all his own 1920s, 1930s when he was writing all this stuff. Yeah. And even later, I think at North Northwestern University, if I'm not mistaken.

1:17:18 So we can go ahead and get to the second clip about him. Herskovitz mainstreams some of these ideas about the connections between African and African American culture. Early anthropologists were committed to demonstrating that black people were inferior. Many people believed black culture was a bad copy of white culture. Look, you know, if black people have been ignored, not listened to, their part of the story is not being told for centuries. It's understandable that black scholars aren't waiting in line behind some white guy to tell the story that they want to tell. What is a Negro in the sense that the term is used in the United States?

1:18:01 Obviously. What does it mean to ask what is a Negro? What is a Negro as a physical type? What is a Negro as an existential condition? What does the Negro want? How do we understand African-American belonging over time? Does the right to define and describe and observe a people give you power over those people? Does the right to really characterize a people determine their fate? Yeah, I'll bet it does. Absolutely. And the reason why I brought this up is that the same way he did it then,

1:18:43 the same way it's being done now. now. Yeah, we can't define who we are for ourselves. It's always another person from outside the group that's defining who we are, which that impacts the individualism. And that's why you have somebody like Scotty attack whores because you're not sticking to who we're supposed to be. It's like, how about we be who we are? And then the collective are defined by the individuals. But no, it's a group thing. It's mind control, is what it is. I mean, in a weird way, quote-unquote,

1:19:22 well, no, blackness is like a set form of set rules that you have to conform to. I guess one of his most polarizing books was this, The Myth of the Negro Past. Yes. And we're talking about early 1900s when he was doing his work. It's not like he was back in the 1619s. That's actually 1941. Yeah, I was going to say. So he writes these books in the early to mid-1900s. Yeah. What were we before then? I mean, you act like we didn't have a Frederick Douglass in Booker C. Washington and these people defining who we are. And here come this guy come along. I know who the Negro is.

1:20:06 Everybody relax. Let me tell you who the Negro is. It's like, what? I see W.E.D. Du Bois did a review of it. I'll have to read that. I bet that's pretty cool. Yeah. Can you send me that link? Because I would love to read that as well, what he had to say about it. Yeah, I think that's a good question. I just want to show, like, you know, how we are never allowed to define ourselves. And even with this museum, everything was defined for us. It was like, oh, no Clarence Thomas, no conservatives. And I'm not, like I said, I'm not a big Clarence Thomas fan. I mean, he had some problems with some of the things he said, but making it to the Supreme Court should get you an automatic spot.

1:20:50 You could kind of get on that. Did you see the people who were on the board? That's sort of interesting. Right. So, I mean, that goes to show you is that it's not the all-encompassing black. It's that this is the narrative that we want to tell about black people. Well, Quincy Jones is on the council. Yeah. Yeah, Quincy. Quincy Jones. Yeah, you can. I mean, Quincy's cool. You know, Quincy brings sex appeal to any board. Right. Let me see. Shonda Rhymes, Shonda Lane in the house. Oh, look. Oh, well, no wonder we got a great narrative then. And we brought in Colin Powell. Hey, you know what? Colin Powell is a very interesting

1:21:36 case study. I'm not a fan of General Powell. No, I'm just saying the way he saw the way these things was going, and he did a real quick pivot on his politics. Oh, yeah. Because he knew he had to stay around. And if he stuck to his guns, he would not survive the cancel culture. Right. Oh, I totally agree. Totally. All right. This is a great group. I wonder if they get together. They must have something. I'm sure they. Of course they do. They must have a great drinking club. This looks fantastic. Oh, well, there's more things and drinks on the menu, I bet.

1:22:18 First order of business. How about that building we put down, huh? How about that for some crazy Illuminati crap? And where's those $65,000 hot dogs at? But let's keep going to number 15. Professor Herskovitz was no ordinary professor. This man was a force. And you did not take him on lightly. Although I can't list all of the do's and don'ts that Professor Herskovitz put out there, certainly among the don'ts was the following: Don't get involved in political stuff.

1:23:03 That was a difficult message for me to hear. But even as a graduate student, I think I knew almost anything had its political side to it, including what Professor Herskovitz was writing and doing. The myths were endless. You would hear, jokingly, of course, every day, Professor Herskovitz gets up. looks into a mirror, and says, ah, Afric, semoir.

1:23:47 That was our quick way of saying. Professor Herskovitz seemed to think sometimes that he owned Africa, that it was his. And even as a graduate student, we wondered if sometimes his reign wasn't too tightly held. Why weren't there more African and African-American scholars at Northwestern? He ran a tight ship. And it's amazing that

1:24:31 it always amazes me that these non-black people can come in, take over, and tell you how blackness is going to be ran. And it's like, don't question me. You heard her. She worked with him closely. And I mean, she was fond of him. I mean, I mean, it's not like she had bad things to say about him. I think her feedback was honest that it becomes an ownership. Like, I own the blacks. I speak for the blacks. Which is, I find it very disgusting. So

1:25:12 how much all this modern stuff is based off of him? Is he really the foundation? Like, all of this is based off of his work? Yes, the out of Africa theory. I mean, well, not that theory per se, but the origin of black people in America out of Africa and the narrative. And what I'm saying, but he was defining this in the 1940s. Yeah. For 1619 to 1940, then he comes along and says, oh, I could tell you what exactly would happen in those 300 years. Right. And so did Alex Haley get his inspiration for Roots from this? No, Alex Haley got his inspiration for somewhere else. Different show. Different show. A whole different show.

1:25:58 But yeah, I mean, but that was the beginning of the narrative for the pan-Africanism and those kind of things, which I would say now is. I've never heard this name before. Exactly. Herskovitz, and it's with an S at the end, which is very distinctive. It's not a Z. Herskovitz. Yes. Never heard of this guy. Interesting. But he comes in and he defines what blackness is in the mid, like I said, the mid-1900s, which I just find fascinating. He has so many great thought leaders at the time. And he just comes along and just hijacks the narrative, which of course he had the money behind him.

1:26:42 So that's the other thing. And what you'll find out now is what you start to find out is that the academics go with where the funding goes. And we've seen this with, and I call preaching the choir here with global warming and those things, but it's no different. It's like my job is to be a scholar. The money's coming in, so I have to make a narrative. And that's what they were saying about him being Elvis. It's like, do you let Elvis come in and make rock and roll take it through the roof and all of our sales go up? You know, for the genre. But at the same time, now rock and roll is not even identified as a black music form.

1:27:23 Yeah. Because you let somebody else. And that may be the choice that ultimately is the downside of capitalism, I guess. True. That may be one of those things that is like, wow, you got to have a strong, strong, strong hands to say, no, no, no, we should do this differently. So since we're defining what black is, we have to go back to show nine. And we played this several times on here, but it's always good to see how the one drop rule defined blackness in America. Explain what the one drop rule is. The one drop rule, historically, also known as the rule of hypo descent, was really instituted to protect whiteness.

1:28:05 It was a way for the white majority to be able to name and cite who was white. So it was one drop, which was one 30 second. 130 second of Negro or African blood would make that person Negro or African, whatever the classification they used at the time. I hear people say we're in a post-racial society. The reality is, in order to get beyond something, you have to understand it, right? And where in your education, where have you been required to learn about race? They don't teach it. No. It is the foundation of this. this country. We have to talk about race, we have to talk about racial difference. It is just a flat-out lie for us to believe that we've moved beyond race,

1:28:45 yeah. And that's the thing that when we say black, that's defined by a legal designation. Yeah, it's not skin color. I mean, I know I beat this dead horse, but we have to say that because people easily slip back into the color thing, and it's not about color, it's about what you identify legally. Um, so they're they're doing, I'm gonna say this: Black Americans, A Dos, Foundation of Black, Native Blacks, we're going through a identity self-identification phase

1:29:29 because we're saying, okay, we're not Africans per se, and you know, we have our own lineage, we have our own story, we have our own origin. So, who are we? And that's upsetting to a lot of people because if you start saying that 13% splinters to an 8-5 split, 10-3 split, that changes politics, that changes the way perceived power structure. Yes, excellent term. Yeah, it changes everything. So, people like, no, no, no, no, corral them back in. You got to corral. So, shut down.

1:30:12 Are you, in fact, a part of a black Renaissance man as a black? I think possibly social media, more access to publishing your thoughts in different media. So, not just Twitter, but there's also music. I know Clubhouse is probably one of the blackest apps out there, or was, was. I think that's going to end you watch. I know how that goes.

1:30:50 Yeah, you're not going to go. And you, it's like there's an awakening, an awareness, and a positioning of the black American male that is probably happening on one hand because you're being suppressed, and you're being suppressed because it's happening. And your message is not necessarily let's go to the club, pop in bottles, and let's drive around and show our bling. No, it's something completely different. And it's never that was a place. Well, it's just that. That was a Lao minority. That was the Lao minority. Right. The very small minority. And what people like me are saying is we want to be self-defined.

1:31:35 We don't want to be defined by the Boule. We don't want to be defined by the African American Museum. We don't want to be defined by white academia. We want to define who we are. Okay, now let's figure what that is. And that's the journey we're on. And we've been here before. It's a synchronicity to it because in the 1920s, we were kind of in the same spot of in Harlem on every street corner, you had somebody with a different what blackness was, a different definition of blackness. And it was like, okay, it was a market for ideas.

1:32:16 And that's kind of what the internet, that was why we talked about entrepreneurialism in the 20s, you mean? Yeah, same thing. Now, entrepreneurialism, because that it was, it opened up. It was like, okay, now we can do business. So now you have independent thinkers where now you used to get like a soapbox and go in a corner and you are on this corner and you're another guy's on that other corner. Now we're on YouTube channels or now we're on a social media post and we're saying, and we're finding people that have similar thoughts to ourselves or who has good facts or who has good data. It's not about narrative anymore. And that's why they want to double down on narrative because if you don't have the facts, you got to double down on narrative.

1:32:59 So it is partially a great self-identification process, simultaneous building your own narrative and positioning as where Black American men want to be. Yes, because when you define whiteness, you say whiteness is the problem, that's juxtaposed to blackness. Not brown, not color, it's blackness. So that's that they're like, wow, like it's a lot of information leaking out and people think. thinking and talking. And what do we do? You know, it's, it's, it's a lot of, you know, it's a lot of uncertainty. And it's, um, so they have to keep reading. That's why you see Disney and shows.

1:33:43 Oh, we need to make more black movies. We need to make more, you know, for example, Black Panther, which I was in, I was in Central Market, and it was, and Central Market was, we had a crisis here, so everything's, you know, all the shelves are empty, but, or not all of them, but some of the key ones. And so I'm looking all around the store. All of a sudden, this is like a whole separate stand. It's got wine on it. It's got preservatives on it. Like, what is this? And they had a whole separate section in the store mode for black-owned businesses. I'm like, what the hell? What the hell is this? I'll be shopping for wine and jam at the same time.

1:34:25 And what are you trying to tell me here? It was very bizarre. That's it's the come on back home. Come on back. We'll give you a shelf. Just don't get your own store. You see, you see, you see you understand what's going on. Let's make it so comfortable that you don't want to leave. Yeah. You've completely opened my eyes. I mean, I see these things everywhere now. You know, it's like, and I'm so happy to hear you say, we're so sick of the virtue signaling because that's what I see. Oh my God. It's like, stop. The worst thing you can do is pander to a person. Of course. Because when you pander to a person, what you're saying is a form of pity.

1:35:07 Yeah. And it's literally literal racism. It's literally racism. That's literally the definition, their definition of white supremacy. You're inferior, so we have to cater to you to bring you up to our level. Aren't we so kind? So I want to talk quickly about Black Panther because that was one of the last gas to bring black people back into the fold of Africa. They're bringing that back. But yeah, well, the original, when I saw the once again, nothing is nothing is no pun intended. Nothing is black or white. Because it's like, cool, Black Panther.

1:35:47 Okay, my son can watch a movie and no see heroes and no of different varieties. And that's cool. But when you break that, and I'm going to do a whole show on this eventually one day, but just a quick synopsis of Black Panther, what happens is you have an African prince come to America to try to help black people. And they come here and I guess and they kill him and they leave his son Kill Monger behind, which is half African American or Ados and half Wakandan. And when he goes back and fights the real Black, the standard, the existing Black Panther, he beats them fair and square. And then the Wakandans team up with the CIA to take him out of power. Isn't that crazy? Holy shit.

1:36:31 It's like, what? Excuse me for cussing. I mean, but it's like, what? Yeah. Hold on. Let's run that back again. The guy has actual rights to the throne through his father. Yeah. He goes back and wins it fair and square. And then they work with the CIA to take him out of power because he said, let's take our resources and give it to black people across the world. No, no, no, no, you can't do that. You can't be doing that. So that's what Disney is putting out. So, I mean, so now you see my conflict here.

1:37:11 Yeah, but that review that you just gave there in five sentences, no one heard that review anywhere. Of course not, because it was Dashiki's and dancing. Dashiki's dancing. Double D's. No, no, literally. Literally. And you will see it again. I'm calling it again. You're going to see that. But guess what? What happened? The Black Panther Black male has been taken out. And guess who's going to be the new Black Panther? His sister. Yep. Woman. Which I ain't ruling out sacrifice on him, but I'll digress on that. It is kind of convenient, isn't it? Like, oops. It is very, it's very, very convenient.

1:37:52 But the reason why I bring up the Black Panther. No, no, no, no, no. I'm going to give you just a little bit of theremin for that. That was, I like that. I had always thought, man, what a shame, this young guy, you know, but now you bring in that that's going on because it would be a never-ending argument. You know, you can't just, you couldn't just replace him. No, because you lose half your market. Yeah. But this is very convenient. Wow. But the reason why I bring up the Black Panther is because somehow Wakanda. has become the Black Utopia. And that just speaks to how silly things are.

1:38:32 We're talking about a fake country and a fake movie. We didn't do this with Zamunda with Coming to America. We just said, oh, we're going to credit on to Zamunda. You know, I mean, but now. Well, I do remember a lot of jokes going on. We were joking around a lot back in the day when that came out. No. No, people actually think they're going to create their own Wakanda. And it's like, unless you have a natural resource like they have, okay? You don't believe me? I'm going to need a trigger warning before I play this next clip because it's from a guy named Salty Cracker. So that explains that explains self-explanatory. No, no, not the salty cracker.

1:39:13 Yeah, the salty cracker. So, but he's the only one that covered his story. Trigger warning. Trigger warning. Trigger warning. You are a pension, please. Trigger warning has been activated. All right, can we go straight into it? Educator fired. A Bronx school Super Nintendo says that she was fired as a result of Chancellor Richard Carraza's equity agenda, my friends, that advanced people of color over whites. Karen Ames is suing the New York schools for $150 million.

1:39:49 $150 million? Wakanda dollars, right? Oh, shit. $150 million because she says that she was targeted by Carranza's quote disrupt and dismantle campaign to oust or marginalize longtime employees. She's in one of these things. Ames was grilled about her, quote, ethnic background, chastised by a colleague at a training session when she shared her grandparents' experience during the Holocaust in Poland. And then she was admonished when she declined a request at Super Nintendo's meetings to take part in comic book movie-inspired Wakanda Forever salute to black power. She charges the legal filing. Ames was praised by Carraza in a visit to her Bronx school.

1:40:29 He praised her for raising math scores at a troubled school. But see, they don't care about that. That race is mad. But she was fired. And this is New York Post. New York Post, you can probably look it up. Bronx Educator claims she was fired at the sharing Holocaust story, refusing Wakanda salute. She wouldn't do the Wakanda salute, which, which, if to be honest with you, the Wakanda salute is actually the ex for uh Osiris in Egypt. You know, when they used to bury him in the psarcophytes, yeah, they bury him like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This District of Cairo, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, oh man,

1:41:16 it's right there. And the thing is, this lady looks like Kamala Harris when you look at her picture. I mean, like, I mean, she favors Kamala Harris. I'm looking right now. Oh, man, man, man, man. What, what, this Wakanda thing, man, that's some mind control right there. It is. Because I see it popping up everywhere jokingly, you know, like, hey, brother, Wakanda. No, no, this ain't no joke. No, this is not. This is no joke. It's not, but I see him jokingly. I see it. I see it. And I'm like, yeah, whatever. But now you bring it up, it's like, wow, she does look like Kamala Harris. A bit. A little rougher. Which that means that's what I'm saying. Racially ambiguous. I mean, if you saw, I could say she might be a sister.

1:41:58 I mean, like, she might got a little. Could be. I mean, like, I mean, you had to do the double check. I did have to look twice. Right. So. Wow. So, I mean, this is why I brought up. Now you see why I brought up Black Paper because people are getting fired over not doing the Wakanda salute. Are you kidding me? Wow. So, that is. Well, can I get a cancel culture? I mean, cancel canon for Mr. Van Jones, please. Because he's next up. There it is. All Van.

1:42:39 All Van. He was on the, he was on the view and he was brought to task for working with the enemy. Uh-oh. Now, Van, you do spend a lot of time threading the middle and trying to unite people, but there are those who really accuse you of being a political opportunist, a chameleon, so to speak, who provided racial cover for a former disgraced, twice-impeached President Trump. You said this, and I quote, Donald Trump, and I get beat up by liberals every time I say this, but I'm going to keep saying it. He has done good stuff for the black community, opportunity zone stuff, black college stuff. There's a side to Donald Trump that I think he does not get enough credit for. Yet, just recently, you've you cried on CNN when Joe Biden was elected the 46th president.

1:43:25 And you said it's easier to be a parent now. Character matters now. Truth matters. You even mentioned George Floyd and said a lot of people felt they couldn't breathe. People in the black community don't trust you anymore. What is your response? Wait a minute. Who is asking the question? That's Sunny. Oh, she speaks on behalf of the black community and she can say that she's late to the party because we didn't trust Van for a long time. All that cry you do on television. We didn't trust him for different reasons. Yeah. Oh, why cooler Van? I'm going to throw a Wakanda salute reel real quick, Van, if you want to still be.

1:44:06 No, Van is done. And it's bigger reasons. I'm going to get into that later. But Van tries to explain in 19, but it doesn't work out. Black Lives Matter. Math matters too. 80% of Black folks are locked up in states that are run in part or whole by Republicans, red states and purple states. So when you can pass a law as my team has done in a Louisiana, in a Georgia, in California, Michigan, red states, blue states, and purple states to get people home.

1:44:47 The people behind bars are not sitting up here worried, then get me out of prison, Van, or whatever you do, don't talk to a Republican. They say, get me out of prison. And I am proud of the fact that my team at the Reform Alliance, Dream Court, and Cut 50 have been able to work with anybody to get folks home. And a certain point, we got to stop focusing on rhetoric and look at results. People may not like everything I have said on television, but I try to be balanced. But look at what I have done. Who among my critics have been able to get people together to help folks at the bottom? When we fight like this about everything, and you can't give anybody even a little bit of credit for anything, who hurts? It's not the politicians. It's not the pundits. It's regular folks who don't have anything.

1:45:30 People who can't vote because they're in jail. We have to put their interests first. I'm never going to apologize for putting the interests of people at the bottom first. People need champions, whoever's in that White House. I've got a responsibility to go in there and advocate and try to get people home out of prison. I'm going to keep doing it, whoever's in that White House. No, Van. No. It's not going to work. First of all, first of all, news flash Van math is racist. Yeah. So you might want to leave that out of your argument of defending yourself. But it ain't going to work because now, like I said, even a Van Jones, you go on TV, you cry, you know,

1:46:16 you can't have any leanings towards working with the other side at all, or it's cancellation. But there's an ulterior motive to canceling Van. And we're going to get to that. Did you want to make a comment before we get into the next clip? No, I was going to say that I am. I've always appreciated Van Jones, no matter what he did. I like the crying. I think that's great. It makes for great clips. I think his heart's in the right place. It's just he's got an he actually becomes the canary in the coal mine. You know, it's like you can't have it both ways in today's culture. It just doesn't work that way. Yeah. And that's the thing that you were saying about.

1:47:01 I used to have a problem with Van, but when I heard the interview, we heard him talk about he's a natural crier and he's been a crier since a kid. I used to think that was a ploy. But when you come to find out, like I said, humanizing, when they saw him as a human and say, okay, well, if you're a natural crier, knock yourself out. I mean, that's what you do. Man, the stuff he says here, I like. You know, it's like most of what he's saying is good, but that's not just not going to help. Well, the thing is, he thought he could, and this is what a lot of people are going to realize. There is no middle ground. Extremists. You can't straddle.

1:47:38 These are extremists. Get that through y'all thick head. There is going to be total 100% compliance or you're going to be canceled. Yeah. And not only do they, Sonny, she's part of the Boule aka's and things of that nature, as we heard when she was bigging up her sister, Kamala Harris. But they say, okay, Sonny had a piece. Now let Anna get a piece. Van, look, you know, I lost a lot of Republican followers and people who trusted me in the Republican Party because of the positions I took against Trump.

1:48:21 And Sonny is right. You've lost a lot of people who trusted you and who saw you as a voice because of the positions you took during Trump. And in 2016, you and I were probably the two most vocal critics of Trump during the campaign on CNN to the point where it was reported that Jared Kushner went in and met with executives at our parent company and asked that you and I be fired. And then, you know, all of a sudden you show up working with Nepotism Barbie and Nepotism Ken. And you work and showing up, you know, in pictures with Eric Trump and with Candace Owens. And so I think there's people who wonder, and I'm one of them, how did that evolution happen?

1:49:02 How did you go from being this very principled critic of the Trump administration, as I was, to all of a sudden being in the White House, celebrating them with them and being, you know, and taking posing for pictures with Candace Owens? I, I mean, can you explain the evolution to people who are puzzled by it? But you did things like take smiling pictures with Candace Owens, who I think is very hurtful. Okay, do you not regret that? Do you not see that you're giving her legitimacy? You don't regret taking pictures, smiling pictures with Candace Owens. I mean, how does that help the issue? Yeah, I have heard this. There is, you know, you say to

1:49:41 a white girl, Candace Owens, it's like, I mean, a crazy millennial, obviously. Right, right, right, right. There's like, what is it? What is the meme about her that everyone has to hate her? What, what is what is she? What's the problem? I mean, of course, we know that she's not. She's been, well, she's. But what do they use as an excuse? Van Jones, we know he's a turncoat. He's a traitor because he took pictures with Kennen Barbie. What did Candace Owens do? Because she want to be completely honest with you? Yeah, I mean, of course. Because this is not what I think, but this is the you ask the question of how she's portrayed. And she's portrayed as the white man's bed winch.

1:50:25 Right. Okay. And but that's she'll do whatever the white conservative white men tell her to do, she'll do it. Wow, didn't she kind of come out? Notice the feminism goes out the window. Notice the feminism goes out the window. But did the sisterhood go out the window? She kind of got thrust onto the scene for a racism incident at a school, which she really didn't even want any, she didn't publicize it. That happened outside of her. And then she kind of went, oh, okay. And then she saw what kind of misunderstanding there was. And she became an activist to help people understand. You know, there was no

1:51:05 white push at all. In fact, quite the opposite. I think she came from very pure motives. Is that your understanding of the truth as well? Well, I saw the meteorite rise of Candace Owens because I remember when she would just pop up my YouTube feed. But when she was like, Black woman support Trump or Black Woman Supports Conservative kind of thing. And she was very, it was very, like I said, very organic. It wasn't like she came out with a polished, it was just kind of like YouTube videos from home. And she would kind of like, it was kind of like that walk away kind of vibe of why I'm walking away from the Democratic Party. And people thought, I mean, people saw her as an asset. And like, okay, yeah, I mean, like, she's attractive, well-spoken.

1:51:49 I mean, she's a beast on the, you know, the debate, debating skills. I mean, you better come correct because, like, I mean, when you come to laying down facts, she will make you look stupid if you don't come prepared. But the problem is, and I said this before about Candace, and this is my timing with her. Like, you don't have to talk about George Floyd and whatever he was doing the day after it happened. Now, you can have the, you know, the whatever discussions and the discussions probably need to be had, but it's about timing. Right, but I would say this is just a young person who's an activist and who has to learn about those kinds of things.

1:52:26 You learn about timing from getting it wrong. Yeah, but what I'm saying is that in the position she's in, she has very little room for margin for error. Right. Because even myself, I mean, even myself, I mean, because I don't give a rat's ass what people think about me. I mean, so, but her being on the public stage like that, I know it hurts her. It hurts her feelings. I know it has to, but what she does is she takes that energy and like force multiplies it back at them. Which I think may be very healthy in the long term. You can't, I mean, you just can't keep ratcheting up. But yeah, I think, but they did the thing with Candace.

1:53:09 Candace Owens. But it's not about Candace Owens. No. And you want to hear my theory? Sure. I might need a little theorem for this because this is a theory. This is a MoFax theory. Just a little taste. Just a little pitch. I think Van Jones is under attack because the partnership that he's possibly forming. Have you heard who he's dating or possibly dating? Oh, yeah. I do know this. Wasn't he dating some famous actress? Kim Kardashian. Okay. Some famous, not actress.

1:53:55 Really now. Here's the story. Here's the scoop. Kanye and Kim are breaking up, as you've seen in the news. Yeah. And supposedly, when she was there visiting with Jared and Ivanka, her and Van were getting close. So I think this is a preemptive strike on Kim Kardashian because if you put Van Jones' political mind and political connections behind a Kim Kardashian in a very easy win, California. Very dangerous. Oh, interesting.

1:54:39 Yeah. Okay. And so I was like, why are they attacking Van for? I mean, like, that happened so many years ago. I mean, like, not so many, but so long ago, they didn't even give him this kind of energy when the election was going on. Why are they coming out now? But as soon as the stories start coming out about him and Kim Kardashian, all of a sudden, the view wants to attack him. Okay. And if Kim can walk that line of, well, we want to help black people get out of jail. Kim is a force to be reckoned with. Yeah. Whoa, what a power couple. I'm looking at it now. That is a super duper power couple. So if that's the case, interesting.

1:55:24 I thought Van's not married. Well, he's conveniently getting a divorce recently. Huh. Well, now. I could easily see Kim winning governor of California. Oh, man. You think I'm. No, because guess what? No, that's who I totally agree. No, I totally agree. I'm just laughing like, holy crap, what a, it was fantastic. If you go back and look at all the videos, guess who's giving her credibility to her law degree? Van Jones. He had nothing but kind words to say. And Van Jones is backed by Jay-Z.

1:56:04 Yep. So I'm just going to say that. Well, you know what? You know what? That would be at least we'd have something new on the political stage. Oh, that'd be great. I don't really care if you're Republican, Democrat. Let's just get some young people in there. Hey, hello, 40s. Hello, 30s. Let's go crazy. Let's get some younger thinking in there. And I think that's one good thing about what Donald Trump did: that nothing you can do in your past is probably better than his past. Right. That means anybody can do it. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So now you're going to open it up to a lot of different schools of thought to be in politics.

1:56:43 Because politics used to be a purity game, which now is, you know, if you can command the headlines and, you know, and get the people out and mobile. Right. So, so that was, you know, that was my first take on one linear thinking and the individualism. I think that, yeah. I mean, I think it's a clear, it's clear attack. You saw what they did to Van. You saw what they did to horse. You know? Yes. There's no room for, there's no room. You saw what they did to the teacher and the excuse me, the superintendent. Yeah. And the Bronx were not doing the Wakanda salute. So this is. I feel real bad about that one, man.

1:57:28 This is sounding a lot like, you know, other revolutions that we've seen in the past, where there's purity test. Yeah. But that's what we do here on the MoFax with Adam Curry show. And if you want to tell people what we're about. Well, here's a little expander explainer. First, the white man and the black man have to be able to sit down at the same table. The white man has to feel free to speak his mind without hurting the feelings of that Negro. And the so-called Negro has to feel free to speak his mind without hurting the feelings of the white man. Then they can bring the issues that are under the rug out on top of the table and take an intelligent approach. approach to get the problem solved. That's the only way that they'll ever do it. And this is a very popular idea, it appears.

1:58:12 As now we see President Barack Obama doing a podcast with Bruce Springsteen, trying to catch a little bit of that Mofax with Adam Curry vibe. It's called Renegades Born in the USA, which is obviously trolling. We know what you're doing, Barack. Never duplicate it. That's right. We know what you're doing, you know, but we're not sponsored by Dawn or Bounty or whatever. No, we're value for value, so we can really tell it like it is. And that's where we produce it with the people who listen to the show. It's your ideas, your feedback, your thoughts, your thinking, your experiences that contribute.

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2:00:21 We got a big baller thing. Yeah. For last week. It was inspired by the donation that we had last week at the top. So I remember what it is. Yes, of course. There we go. 29 blades on him, Paula. Woohoo! That's it. You've got Mo Karma. All right. Okay, this is new in the format, so I got to make sure I have that set up for next week. Okay, good. So just let people know when you interact with the show. You can also impact the show moving forward. So from the donation that we had last week, it inspired me going to get the big baller clip.

2:01:04 And now whoever comes at the top of the list each week or each show, it'll be that you'll be the big baller. I'd like there's only one big baller. There's only one. It's only one per show. I like that. All right. So Sir Dwayne Melancon is the big baller for episode number 59 and also executive producer along with David Kang, $120, who says, Mo and Adam, thank you for all you do. Please D deadbeat me. We can do that. Congratulations. You're no longer a deadbeat. From a Korean brother from another mother? Yes.

2:01:45 We too suffer from having our own bullet. Oh, I'll bet. They're called medical professionals. By the way, have you seen this TV ad? Oh, I didn't look at that one. I did. And continue the letter. And I'll discuss it. He'd like you to deconstruct it for him. My jaw dropped when I saw this ad. Have you also considered deconstructing the Black Panther movie, which we started to do, but I think that'll be more moving forward. I find the messaging in that movie quite interesting. Thank you again, David Kang from Westfield, Indiana. Okay, so we did discuss the Black Panther a little bit. I don't know if he's talking about the Black Panther movie we discussed, or if he's talking about the, I believe it's Judas and

2:02:27 what's, I forget the name of it, the new one with, I slipped my mind now. Anyway, the new Black Panther movie that just came out. I don't think so. Not the actual movie, not the actual Panther, but the Black Panther Party movie. I think that's what he's talking about. But the clip he sent was, it's his Pfizer commercial, and it had a black lady, and she's like, oh, no. She's all enjoyed, rejoicing because her daughter hands her a sonogram saying, you know, basically, I'm. I'm having, I think you've probably seen this commercial before, and she's just right. But the blurb under the bottom of the video is: Pfizer shares a heartwarming video of a couple announcing their pregnancy to their family.

2:03:12 The pharmaceutical company claims that moments like this, these inspire people to get vaccinated against COVID-19. You can go online and learn more about vaccinations. So basically, they're saying if you want to see your mama again in person, take it back. You better get a shot. Oh, God. Get a jab. Get a jab. Get the jab, baby. Thank you, David. And thank you for. Yeah, thanks for another interesting piece. Another thing you never would have thought of without these notes. Donald DeHart, $116. Just finished all the back episodes. Wow. So that's 58 back episodes. Here's a donation to commemorate 116. He has been doing the work.

2:03:59 Good job. All episodes, man. He's going. That's good. I like it. Anthony Pessago, Pasagno, Pasagno, $100. Short note so you and Adam can get back to talking cool stuff. Well, thank you very much. That's always appreciated. David Roll, $100 as well. No note that we could find from him. Justin Knowlton, $100. Very appreciated. First time Ronamo donor. Once you started talking about The Wire, my favorite show, I knew it was time to pony up. Now, when I think of Prop Joe, I'll also think of Obama in the quote from D'Angelo Barksdale: The King say the King. The King stay the King. Yes. Here's a cool Benjamin. Request a Woosa and can't wait for the next show. Well, thank you very much.

2:04:49 And we have our first associate executive producer, $73.90. Overly Wordy Welshman lives up to his name. Please refer to me as such. This makes my third donation. Thank you for your continued excellent work. I will soon be canceling my Amazon Prime account. And so I'm splitting equivalent yearly subscription costs of that between your fine show and No Agenda. Thank you. Appreciate it. That says a lot, man. There's a billion-dollar companies, and you're taking value from them and putting it into these independent things. That's very nice. These two shows have provided much more entertainment this year than Amazon Prime's efforts.

2:05:32 The rabbit holes those throwaway references caused me to go down are always interesting. First, the Fabian Society, then the Calergi plan. An image popped in my head while listening to the most recent show. When Mo and Adam finally meet up in person, it will be like the end of Die Hard with Alan John having a big hug after going through quite the ordeal. One for the animated Mo Facts, perhaps. Some karma is always appreciated. Thank you for all your work. Well, thank you. That's a great note, overly wordy Welshman. You've got Mo Karma. I can see that too. The Dah. I can see that. Yeah, I can see that. That'd be nice. You're right. Well, one day, Mo, one day.

2:06:13 When we can travel again. When the Rona is gone. Once you get the jab. Yeah, I don't think so. Daniel Hollingsworth can call himself an associate executive producer. Episode 59 with $66.33. Cheers. One dose of Bad Boys, Woosa, please. Do we have the Bad Boys, Woosa? It's just the Woosa. It's just the regular. They come from the Bad Boy Movie. Oh, I see that this is Chris. I was confused. I'm like, is there something I had in there? Chris Bailey, $59. Thank you, gentlemen, for doing the work. Can I get a goat Woosa and a biscuit for my birthday? Always love a net goat. They always give me a biscuit on my birthday. Oh, wait a Woosa.

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2:07:45 Love Mo's knowledge and Adam's humility. Thank you very much. Very kind of you, Jill. Greg Firak, $50, an associate executive producer. producership. My first donation. Many more to come. You both rock, which means I give you a D-Deadbeating right there. Congratulations. You're no longer a deadbeat. And we've got Brian Bowser showing up. We've seen him before, I believe. Mo and Adam. Let's see. I really wanted to get engaged and would love a chat if you think that's possible. I listened to No Agenda along with some other Govy friends, I guess. Govy, like government friends. I'm thinking so. I think so too.

2:08:28 Keep expanding minds. Note, please hold me to this. Donation to follow, but I had to write this now because I keep getting caught up in other things. And another episode has arrived. I know the Capitol Riot was discussed on the last show or so, and I immediately knew there was an oddity that was either mine alone or was truly widespread. I would love for you to see if this is true beyond my observations. Quote, white people don't care about random or even marginally impactful white people getting killed. End quote. I know this sounds harsh, but we have no community. I get it. I may be an oddball, but I think the evidence supports this. The show is great and a true labor of worth. I would love to discuss many other things and possibly even work-life horror or interest stories.

2:09:12 I will gladly share more info on my past and present careers and hope to chat and build many things. Well, Brian, thank you very much. I don't know about this, about this quote. I think he's talking about the, I always forget her name, the lady that got killed at the Capitol and how no one cared, really. And really, it was like, ah, she got what's coming to her. So I think that's what he means by excuse me, Babbitt. I always forget her name. Sorry about that. But yeah, I think that's what he means by marginally impactful white people getting killed.

2:09:50 So it was, say, for instance, if you juxtapose her to like a George Floyd, even though, you know, I mean, how all the outrage happened on your, I'm not, I'm speaking, I'm just hypothetically speaking, or, you know, the media algos, which is not just social media, but all media algos are not geared for that. They don't respond to it. But they also don't respond to 20 people getting shot in Chicago on a weekend. Nope. The algo responds to things that can trigger another algo and then trigger people's action to stuff. That's what it is. Why don't white crime ain't trending? That's what it is. I mean,

2:10:33 that's what it is. It's not. It has to be interracial feelings. Or one party being super attractive. I mean, that's how the media are. Or famous. Yeah, or famous. Or famous. Or famous. Yeah, or famous. Oh, man. All right. Thanks, Brian. Steve Marchi, $50. No, no. We thank you, Steve. Ichi Kitigawa, Sir H of SF. Thank you for the great work. No jingles, no karma, he says, and hands us $50. We appreciate that value. And here is Greg back again. So I think Greg will be an executive producer since his total is $100 for the episode. He will be. And he says, this is my second donation. Many more to come. I follow the Ronamo path.

2:11:18 Mo, I love the weave of information you make. You really have a knack for getting your point across in a thorough and very convincing way. Adam, you were the voice of my childhood as I'm an MTV kid, and now you're the voice of my adulthood post-Rona. Post-Rona. MoFax and No Agenda. Prime Rona. Right. Right? Prime Rona, baby. Prime Rona time. MoFax and No Agenda have been a big help wading through all the M5M bullcrap. Thanks for the heavy meta to you, fellas. PS Any MoFax meetups. Not yet. We're getting there. Although there always seems to be one in the DC area that none of us have gone to yet.

2:11:55 But we're planning on it. Dodge Gaskill, Dodger here, another No Agenda producer mildly migrating to your podcast. You and Adam do a great job, firm believer in the value for value system, and he proves it. Thank you very much. Dodge, Elvis Rosenberg. There he is. Chef Elvis, $50, wants to cancel Cannon. There it is. John Nathan, $50. Thanks, man. Oh, yes, he's sole proprietor. You the king. And that wraps up our executive and associate executive producers and the big baller for episode 59 of MoFax with Adam Curry. We thank all of you for the support. We'll thank the rest of the donors just before we end the show.

2:12:38 If you'd like to participate in the value for value that we operate on here, all I have to do is go to MoFax.com. You can go directly to our donation page. It's Mofax. Mofax. Sorry, it's MoFundMe.com. M-O-E-F-U-N-D-M-E.com. And thank you to our execs and associate execs for producing episode 59. Well, speaking of Kanye, as it so happens, yeah. He's from the future. He called this. And we can just get right into 22.

2:13:18 And this is a throwback clip from show 13. If you talk about politics, then you are not in service to Christ. But to mute an African-American's voice at this level is a form of slavery. And being a slave to the system and to people's perceptions and the reality of what people have chosen for our culture, since we are orphans, is not in service to God. And in the Bible, there's many topics of slavery. And we are African Americans and we are still dealing with modern day slavery.

2:13:58 We still have record contracts, publishing deals, touring deals, management deals, radio deals that we not the owners until we really own our own community, really make Wakanda for real. This is going to take more than the Jesus chain. We got to make Wakanda probably with us too, though. You know what I'm saying? Man, I've been waiting. You see how pervasive this Wakanda thing is? Yeah. But as he says, that if you don't control, and this is what the

2:14:40 Herkowitz, I think, yes. Herskovitz. Herkovitz. Herskovitz. Excuse me. If you don't define or if you're not defining the culture, other people would define it. Yep. Yeah. And that's what he's experiencing. And he was kind of speaking to Van Jones in a roundabout way. Like, you're going to be canceled if you don't submit. And in the next clip, he makes a prophetic statement. I want to say one thing about Kanye before we move on. I'm going to be praying for that, brother, because I know this whole Kim Kardashian thing, they're going to try to crack him with this.

2:15:22 They are sitting around licking their chops right now. When I mean they, the entertainment media. Yeah. They're already going to drag him. No, this is nothing. I'm talking about to level past Bill Cosby. I mean, they're going to, I mean, because they have to take him down. They have, they have to take, he's a free man thinking, free man talking, and that is totally off code. Yeah. So, well, the prayers will be because it's going to be very, very hard for him. Yes. So I just want to say that. But luckily, he's he seems to be strong in his faith now.

2:16:05 So hopefully that helps him get through this time. But in this next clip, he speaks about one of the things on the list, and that's the canceling of Christianity in Christ. Are you afraid of losing your audience? Yay. I told you I'm only afraid of God. I'm only afraid of my daddy. God. I've been 15 years. I'm telling you, God is showing that you can have your own thoughts, bro. I've been canceled before there was canceled culture. Who told you that my career would be over? The same people that are telling you that you can't have a right to say who you will vote for, those people will be soon to take Jesus out to school.

2:16:47 Those people will be soon to remove Jesus, period, from America, which is the Bible Belt. Those people will be soon, man. Come on, man. I ain't finna go Alex Jones level on y'all, man. Come on, man. What y'all like? Wake up. Wake up, Mr. West. Wake up, culture. Wake up. Everybody think they show woke, but they following the rules of what woke's supposed to be. Hip-hop ain't never been about following rules. It's been about doing what you feel. I'm gonna take the Louie. I'm gonna throw it like that. I'm gonna do it with the polo. I'm gonna do it like this. Even like the way I talk. Hold on. Let me use my African-American voice. Let me use my Disney approved voice. Let me, you know what I'm saying? We're not even speaking in our own language, bro.

2:17:28 Like, we talk louder than this. Africans talk loud. Italian moms talk loud. We talk louder, but we speak in our corporate voice. Oh, we don't want to ruin the deal voice. Or this why, bro, I love y'all, man. And I. And I love me. And I love Christ. And y'all should love to see this. I'm not going to tell y'all what y'all should do. I'm just doing what I do. If you love it, then cool. If y'all want to trap me, it ain't going to make a difference. Honestly, I've been killed so many times on social media, and I'm still here. I'm still talking. Look at me. I love that clip. It's one of my favorites.

2:18:12 And he said, y'all are being woke, but by the rules of being woke. And that's what this document that came out from the Museum of African American History is the rules for being woke. We got to get rid of this scientific method, rational thinking, individualism, hard work. And fourth on that list is Christianity and Christ. So this is not about, I mean, this is not about religion. This is about taking one of the foundations of America and foundations of a this is about taking away one of the bedrocks of a large portion of America and canceling it.

2:18:57 That's very disruptive. And on cue, Sean King comes in canceling Jesus. No. Jesus Christ, watch out because Sean King is coming. This week, transracial civil rights activist Sean King or some of you know him, Calcom X tried to cancel the people. Most people violent, evil, racist of them all. Jesus? Yeah. Sham Rock Obama tried to take down the King of Kings, the white one specifically. Unfortunately for him, he's 2,000 years later, what's commonly referred to as CPT. Pale Sharpton tweeted the statues of the white European Jesus should come down. They are a form of white supremacy and always have been. First of all, for someone who crucifies white people for a living, I assume he'd appreciate the imagery. Secondly, he kind of has a point.

2:19:40 Certain groups have used Christianity to oppress people, slave traders, the KKK jewelers, but white Jesus is always a form of white supremacy. Martin Luther Kream, what the fuck are you talking about? Sean says in the Bible, when Jesus wanted to hide, he went to Egypt, not Denmark. That is true. Probably because Denmark didn't exist. But I think the brilliant revelation third good Marshmallow was trying to make is that Jesus wasn't white. Hey, Sean, no shit. Uh-oh. So let me just say this. If whiteness was a commodity or a stock, I would be going short on white right now.

2:20:23 Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. But if it puts up short. Short on white. It's very short on white. And go long on brown. Yeah. Because, I mean, that's the up and coming. I mean, if you had to compare like cash to like a crypto, right? Brown is the crypto, right? So it's gaining, it's gaining, it's gaining a lot of value right now. And I'm not talking about per se color. I'm talking about these groups that are being defined by these, like a color revolution kind of thing, not literal color. But the only problem is black value is weirdly tied to white value.

2:21:05 Right. Because we help build this country that these people are trying to tear down. And it's like, what? Wait, hold on. You want to do what to America? Yeah. It puts us on a weird spot because it's like, yeah, we got some beef with them. We understand. You know, I mean, they still owe us our atonement, but you want to burn it down? Yeah. And so now you have a fork in blackness. You have half the black that want to go with black. I was going to ask you, what do you think that percentage is, Mo? I mean, that's, I mean, how big? Let's just take the voting numbers. Let's just take the voting numbers. Say 20%. You found the numbers? No, no, no. I'm saying the numbers that they said, if they said twice the turnout for Trump than last year.

2:21:48 So we can at least go off that road. Okay, okay. All right. Yeah, we have a baseline from 2016. Yeah. Yeah. So they keep saying it's twice numbers. So if you say, uh, just say 80-20, but the 80 is, I mean, the 20, you have some big bank in that 20. Yeah. You have some big names in that 20. And then we really don't know if it's 80-20 or not because the solid majority is on the sidelines. Could be much bigger. Yeah. Right. So all I'm just saying is that if you're asking me to, if, okay, just say if they're trying to cut a deal with me, they're saying, Mo, come on. Come on, Mo. Come on. Browse the new thing.

2:22:32 Come on. I mean, what? White was so 20th century. You know what I mean? Come on. Come on into the 21st century. And it's like, uh, uh, yeah, but what about this uh bill that we have? Who's gonna make good on that bill? Man, did you? I read that HR 40 bull crap. I mean, it really is. It really is. It's so open to uh interpretation, and and it seems like they want to spend a lot. This is what I was worried about, and I'm glad we're talking about it for a second. There's this whole section in there, which we've seen this HR-40 come by before, but this is a little new where they want to do a study of the actual enslavement.

2:23:17 And I think you'll find that it wasn't a lot of American sailing ships that were doing the uh the transport and the enslavement on those boats. Uh-huh. You try to get me canceled, Adam. I'm telling you. Cancel, cancel, cancel. But you know what? I'm going to do enough in this show all along on my own. This show, right here, this might get. Hey, I mean, like, yeah, I'm just telling you what I'm reading. I'm just telling you what I'm reading. I'm picking up what you're putting down, Adam. Okay. Who owned the boats? Right? If the boats even existed. I mean, let's just go there.

2:23:57 Let's just even do that one. Yeah, yeah. I'd love. Oh, man. We got to do a whole episode on that. Yeah. If the boats existed, love it. Yeah. So, um, but yeah, it's that they're coming to me and say, oh, come on, invest in brown. Yeah. You know, you know, you know, get, you know, like I said, go short on white. Uh, invest in brown. It's the new thing. But I'm old in white coin. Right. So you don't want to white. You don't want the white coin to go away. No, because are you going to inherit their debt? Right. And I'm not talking about me specifically, but I'm saying me as a black person.

2:24:38 Like, this is the thing with, let's just put it out on the table. This is the thing with Marxism. This is why they keep coming with Marxism, communism. Yeah. You know, where hey, you know, it never capitalism never worked out for you, black people. You know, I mean, so it's like, okay, but what's my standing in this new society you're trying to form? Yeah. It's like, oh, we'll all be equal. Yeah, all of us have nothing. Oh, yeah. That doesn't work for me. Yeah. We kind of like the idea of the promise better. Yeah. I mean, the thing is, I can, yeah. I just, it's a very hard sale. Yeah. Because it's clear-cut my case.

2:25:19 I mean, if you want to hear the case, go back to 50. My case against, you know, the institution of the country of America is quite clear. With this, it's like, just take a leap of faith and we'll get you good on the back end. Yeah, we've heard that before. We've heard that one before. Yeah, nah. And then the way they rule, I can't rock with that. But yeah, but Chris is on Christ is on the hit list. Clearly. So if white Jesus is going to be taken out, is it possible you could talk about a black Jesus? Symbol of Jesus. But hello, symbol. And goodbye. JJ painted him. Don't mangle me, Michael. I had him in the closet. We wasn't performing no miracles for nobody.

2:26:05 Mama, couldn't we at least let black Jesus hang alongside? Forget it. The only Jesus I know is him. And the one thing he don't need is a partner. Spong both of you. This picture has been in my family for as long as I can remember. When I was a baby, I don't know what I saw first. My mama, my papa, or this Jesus. Now he's the one I know and love. So let's close the subject. Jesus was black. The Bible would have said so. But it does say so. What are you talking about? I read about it. It's in Revelation chapter 1, verse 14. It says,

2:26:49 His hair is like wool. And his eyes are like flame of fire. Well, Lord, have mercy. They sure do say that, don't it? And see, Mom, look at that hair, like wool, ain't it? Look at them eyes. Red like fire. Yeah, they show. How do we know Jesus wasn't black? He could have been from the lost tribe of Israel. They were supposed to be black. I bet they were. If ever people were lost, we're it. Wow. 1970s. Don't hear that anymore, do you?

2:27:30 1970s. Wow. I'm just going to ask this question. Chinese got Chinese Jesus. Everybody got their own. But whenever you make Jesus a black person, it is so upsetting to certain group of people. I don't understand that. And what you do is you open up a door for Sean King to make an argument to say. Get rid of Jesus. Well, no, yeah, because like you heard Florida. Let me give a little background. That was from the Good Times show. I didn't set that up too well. But that was from the Good Times show. And JJ had painted an image of a black Jesus.

2:28:10 And Michael being reminded me of me, reminding me of a young mo went and hung it up and took the white Jesus down. And his mom said, you heard what Florida Evans said. I don't know who I saw first, white Jesus or my mama. Right. So what I'm saying is this, that opens the case up to say they uses white man religion to enslave you. You know what I'm saying? You still gonna put it right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's time to rebrand. It's time telling you. It's time to repackage. But why is it so infuriating? I don't understand. Like I said, when you go to China, you have Chinese Jesus.

2:28:54 You go to any other culture you have matching of that culture. But if for one reason or another, like I said, 1970s and Lear, I'm surprised Lear let that on television. I mean, I get gotta give him props for that. You know, that had to be very brave. But you do a lot more back then. You can't do anything anymore. Why is that though? Why are we going backwards? If we're more free than we were then, why are we going backwards? Because the advertisers have more power and advertisers want zero, zero, zero controversy, no bad feelings, everybody happy. Yeah. That's the basis of it. But then he, you know, so I'm just saying, so

2:29:37 it just perplexes me anytime. We're in a spiral. I mean, now that we have social media and the tools have been developed and sharpened to people know how to do it, you just go after the advertiser and say, hey, advertiser, I can't believe you're advertising on this show. Oh, we're going to cancel you. Oh, we're going to make a problem for you. And that immediately is taken care of by canceling the media buy, whatever has to happen, making a stand, making an apology. It's pressure. It's bullying. It's really bullying. And let me say one thing. When they say, when I say they, the African American Museum, when they say talk about getting rid of Christianity, they're not talking about Catholicism.

2:30:22 No, they're not. That's not what they're talking about. Because the Pope is bought in. He's ready to the plan. He is. They're talking about the Bible. And it's a large enough segment. I'm not going to say large, but large enough of black people that feel that we have some top to that book that when you come for that, I think that's going to be, that's going to be overreach. Because as you heard in the 1970s, people talking about black Jesus and the lost tribe of Israel. And then we have Malcolm X speaking on a Moses Jesus in jail.

2:31:05 They put Moses in jail. They put Daniel in jail. Why you haven't got a man of God in the Bible that wasn't put to jail when they started speaking out against exploitation? They charged Jesus with sedition. Didn't they do that? They said he was against Caesar. They said he was discriminating because he told his disciples, go not the way of the Gentiles, but rather go to the lost sheep. He discriminated. Don't go there, the Gentiles. Go to the lost sheep. Go to the oppressed. Go to the downtrodden. Go to the exploited.

2:31:51 Go to the people who don't know who they are. Who are lost from the knowledge of themselves and who are strangers in the land that is not theirs? Go to those people. Go to the slaves. Go to the second class citizens. Go to the ones who are suffering the brunt of Caesar's brutality. And if Jesus were here in America today, he wouldn't be going to the white man. The white man is the oppressor. He would be going to the oppressed. He would be going to the humble. He would be going to the lowly. He would be going to the rejected and the despised. He would be going to the so-called American Negro.

2:32:29 Did you know what year that was? 1960. 1963, I believe, 64, if I'm not mistaken. One of them, I'm right in between those two. That's what I'm saying. A couple years away from the Good Times episode. Yeah. This momentum was building. Once again, who are we? Who are we? Wait a minute. When I actually read the Bible, it says something different than when I see these pictures, which all cultures do that. All cultures make gods. Even in Greece, they redid the Egyptian pantheon. You know, it is what it is. And that's why Egypt is their holy grail, as we talked about in the last show.

2:33:13 Yeah. On that, on the left-hand path. So my favorite racist, Donald Sterling, because the reason I say that is Donald Sterling and all that he did, he dropped so many truth bombs. And I think that's why they got him canceled. I mean, they were like, you take your $2 billion for your team. We're going to pay you twice what the value is. And you're out. You're gone. Stop talking. Yeah. Because I have the audio tape of him talking to V Step Stevaloni, Steva Oni. I think it's how you pronounce it. Oh, yeah. This is the audio that got him in so much trouble.

2:33:55 Oh, this is what, yeah, this one really got him in trouble, but you didn't hear about it. This is Donald Sterling talking about the black Jews. If it makes you happy, I will remove all of the black people from my Instagram. You said that before. You said, I understand. I did remove the people that were independently on my Instagram that are black. Then why did you start saying that you didn't? You just said you didn't remove them. You just removed them. I didn't move Matt Kemp and Magic Johnson. Why? But I thought Matt Kemp is mixed, and he was okay, just like me.

2:34:36 He's lighter and whiter than me. I met his mother. You think I'm a racist? I don't think you're a racist. Yes, you do. I think you... Evil heart. I don't think so. I think you have an amazing heart, honey. I think the people around you have poisoned mind and have a way of thinking about it. It's the world. You go to Israel. The blacks are just treated like dogs. So do you have to treat them like that too? The white Jews, there's white Jews or black Jews. Do you understand? And are the black Jews less than the white Jews? 100% 50, 100%.

2:35:18 And is that right? It is a question. We don't evaluate what's right and wrong. We live in a society. We live in a culture. We have to live within that culture. But shouldn't we take a stand for what's wrong and be the change in the difference? I don't want to change the culture because I can't. It's too big. But you can change yourself. I don't want to change. If my girl can't do what I want, I don't want the girl. I'll find a girl that will do what I want. Yeah, when you're 80, you know, you might as well. You didn't hear that on the news.

2:35:58 Not that last bit. I heard part of the other piece. I think we had it. No, we on no agenda. We had the clips. Oh, okay. Well, yeah, because you had to go. I'm sorry. You ain't going to hear that on the news. No, you're right. No. You're right. But it's amazing. They canceled him for Maddie Johnson and taking pictures down and basketball players. 14. Yeah. But he brings up the black Jews and say 150%. Not 150% treated like dogs. And they suppress it. Why? Isn't that offensive?

2:36:36 Where are the pro-Palestine people on this? I mean, don't you notice? Like, whenever they start bringing this up, nobody takes it on. So I have V. She's on speaking with Barbara Walters. And I want, for a little clarity, Barbara Walters is 100% Jewish. I don't think she's a practicing religious Jewish, but more of ethnic Jew. Listen to how she sounds when V brings up the black Jews on her show. I think the things he says are not what he feels. Anyone can say anything in the heat of the moment.

2:37:16 Not everybody makes alleged racist remarks in the heat of the moment. Sometimes in the heat of the moment, you say things. that you mean or that you fail. Yeah. Explain how he says these things. I think Mr. Strowman's from a different generation than I am. I think he was brought up to believe those things. What things? Segregation. Whites and blacks. Minorities. From black Jews to light Jews to dark Jews. Black Jews. Yes. So it's not just blacks, it's anti-Semitism. He expresses, but he's Jewish. But through his actions, he's shown that he's not a racist.

2:38:02 You should see her face. This is one of the time I wish it was video. She's like, black Jews? Like, really? What? What do you, what? What? But then she does this. No, you got to care. We probably got to listen to it again because she says, oh, it's an anti-Semitism thing. Yes, exactly. Not a black thing. Okay. That was very funny here. Minorities. From black Jews to light Jews to dark Jews. Black Jews. Yes. So it's not just blacks, it's anti-Semitism. He expresses. It is Jewish. What?

2:38:41 That's the classic pivot, right? We talked about it with the ice cube. When everything comes up, it's always anti-Semitism. They always make it about that. And this is for a little clarity. If you didn't notice, but yeah, so it's just like she never heard of black Jews before. Black Jews? Like, what are you talking about? No, you know that. Maybe she hadn't. I don't know. Did you not hear his tape? Why are you shocked? Come on. Knock it off. Barbara, I'm talking to. Come on. But I know a lot of people got their pens and pads out right now and ready to write Mo Fax a letter or your laptops. I'm like, what the hell is Mo talking about? Well, look, I'm from the book of the Bible.

2:39:24 Believe me, we shouldn't make graven images of anything. So we really shouldn't be talking about what the painting looked like or anything like that, right? So let me be clear on that. But one of the most famous preachers in all of history, Billy Graham's take on Black Jesus. Horns on his brow and his face was bleeding. And they laughed at him and they spit on him and they mocked him. And with one snap of his finger, 72,000 angels had already drawn their swords, ready to come to his rescue and wipe this planet out of existence in the universe. And Jesus said, No, to this end was I born.

2:40:08 And he dragged and lifted and hauled that cross. And don't you black people ever forget one thing? The man that helped Jesus carry that cross was a black man. And don't ever forget another thing. Jesus belongs to Africa as much as he does to Europe and Asia. He was born in that part of the world that touches Africa and Asia and Europe. And Jesus was not a white man like me. Nor was he as black as some of you.

2:40:47 We don't know what the color of his skin, but it must have been a dark color like the people of his day because he was a man like them. Don't ever say it's a white man's religion or a black man's religion. It's a world religion. He belongs to the world. Yeah, it's a pretty famous, pretty famous sermon. Yeah. I mean, and Billy Graham had the ear of all the presidents. Always. I mean, to say he was like one of the most powerful men in his era. I mean, but I'm just saying, that ain't my words. You take it up with Billy Graham.

2:41:29 Yeah, I mean, you heard what he said. So, but we've known that they wanted to get rid of Jesus ever since show two. And this goes to talk about what Florida Every was saying that she's seen white Jesus ever since she's been a child. This is from show two, Claiming a Seat at the Table. I want to start by just talking giving you a little perspective of my household in the 70s. If you were like me growing up in the 70s, the portraits of MLK, JFK, and Jesus hung on a lot of folks' walls.

2:42:08 That was the Trinity. Today, the Trinity of Oprah, Beyonce, and Michelle Obama could almost replace them. Wow. Well, Oprah, Beyonce, and who was the third one? Barack Obama. Was it Barack? No, no, Michelle Obama. Michelle Obama. I'm sorry. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Sorry. Easy, yeah. Who's coming down off the wall for Xi Jiping? Well, let me see. Oprah, Beyonce,

2:42:53 Michelle. I don't know. I mean, tough one. Tough to the clip. In a bizarre step to bolster the cult of Xi Jinping, the Christian minority in the Jiangxi province of Southeast China have been now advised to replace the image of Jesus Christ with that of President Xi Chinping. With that logic, the Jesus Christ would not pull the poor Christians out of their poverty, but President Xi Jinping could. On the back of this logic, the Christian poor in the Jiangxi province have been asked to take down the images of Jesus Christ, the crucifixes and rosary beads, and instead replace them with the posters of President Xi Jinping.

2:43:42 What has drawn sharp criticism in this promotion of the cult of Xi Jinping is that those who do not replace the images of Jesus Christ with that of Xi Jinping will not be provided with the poverty alleviation from the policies of the government. Services and funding by the Chinese government, also in fact included as a penalty for not conforming to that norm. The Jiangxi province has more than 11 million members of the Christian community who live in abject poverty. According to some surveys, members of the Christian community across the whole of China is about 90 million, which outnumbers the total membership of the Communist Party in the country.

2:44:22 President Xi Jinping, in the promotion of his personality cult, is trying to recreate a similar practice where after the Cultural Revolution in China, people used to hang up the posters of Mao Zedong. Wow, it's such a simple and effective strategy where you say, okay, Xi Jinping, he will replace Jesus because he will bring salvation to you, the poor. And if you don't hang up his picture, then you'll see. And if you do, oh, yes, there comes the salvation because you don't get it if you don't have his picture. But meanwhile, the kids learn that that's the guy. The next generation is who this affects most deeply.

2:45:07 Yes. That's sick. How old is it? Is this a new clip? I think maybe a year or two old. Wow. Yeah. But so now you're going back now. You want me to buy into that? Right. I think not. I think not. And I think I would be comfortable to say a large majority of people in America, black or not, or non-black, would not go for that either. I think they'd be shocked if they heard it. I'd never heard of this clip. I think they'll be shocked if they knew that was going on.

2:45:46 Yeah, but you see, that's why I'm saying it's the, what is it called? Overton window. I think Overton window. Okay. Jesus comes down for Beyonce, Michelle Obama, and the other lady. Okay, now we replace them with Xi Jiping. Wow. See how easy that rolled off his tongue to say, oh, yeah, we took down Jesus, JFK, and MLK. Uh-huh. Yeah. We put up a first lady, a celebrity, and it's like, what? So they're preparing you to get rid of your faith, whatever your faith is. Or, I mean, whatever. They're preparing the next generation.

2:46:29 That's really who it affects. Everything we've heard is about, okay, the first picture I saw when I was born. I don't know that was my mom with Jesus Christ. And now it'll be Xi Jinping. Or it'll be Beyonce, and she's endorsing that regime. Wow. I'm a little depressed, Mo. Hold on. I understand that there's some people out there who need my services. Are there any people out there who are weak? Yes! Get the people out there who are weary. People out there who just need a healing.

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2:52:06 So coming down to home stretch. let's see what we got off the list so far. We got the scientific method, rational thinking, check, individualism, check, hard work, check, Christianity/slash the Bible. Let's just say the Bible. Because, I mean, that Christianity thing is kind of a missing. What else do we have to get? Oh, the stable nuclear family. That's what. Oh, yes. Let's ruin that. Yeah, let's get rid of that. So, as I pointed out, we've been talking about this thing for over a year. I mean, we got clips from back, you know, just the second show. We've been talking, and it's not a pat on our back, but it's just that this conversation needs to be had amongst you and someone else.

2:52:52 Like me and Adam. This is a conversation between me and Adam when we get together. And we fill in the blanks for each other. It's like, oh, I didn't know that, you know, and the picture becomes clear. So, this go, this is Mr. Jason Whitlock, and this is from show 21. And he was talking about the planned demise of the black family. All kinds of decisions are being made. All kinds of new cultural norms are being established that perhaps you don't agree with. But you're running around chasing after Trump and don't even care that all your cultural norms are being reshaped.

2:53:36 And again, we have created particular, it's throughout American society, but it's most acute in our society. We have been convinced as black men and women that we don't need each other. Right. That's the most toxic, poisonous, dangerous creation we could have. We're on the precipice of self-destruction if that takes root. Yep. Sounded like hyperbole then. Yeah, but not really now, huh? But when you have the documentation that says, oh, yeah, you know, that stable family, I mean, that stable nuclear family.

2:54:18 And I saw this thing cropping up. It's, they do this weird sleight of hand trick. They say, well, we're talking about extended family. Yeah, right. Which, to be honest, well, if you just take it on service, I'm like, that's cool because I kind of grew up with extended families. You know, your grandma lived with you. You know, I mean, very successful model in many cultures. Oh, it's the best. It is the best. I mean, my mother-in-law lived with me for four years. And it's amazing.

2:54:57 The relationship she has with the kids. And if you need to want to go out on a date, you don't have to really get a babysitter per se. Yeah, that's the whole idea. Mom and dad can still have a marriage, married life. It's a pressure release. And then it's like, it's like, kids, keep a girl on grandma. You know what I'm saying? Make sure she cuts the stove off. I mean, absolutely. I'm a little forgetful. I'm all for it. I didn't really grow up with my grandparents because we lived overseas. And I was always a little envious. And when they came to visit, it was a big deal. Yeah. Well, luckily for me, for a few years of my life, I lived next door to one set of grandparents.

2:55:35 I'm talking about literally next door. And then my maternal grandmother came to the house almost every day. And that's why I said I had a wonderful childhood. I actually lived the American life, right? I mean, like that it's meant to be. And that's why I'm maybe so attached to it in a way. Because the way, you know, I mean, we didn't have a lot of money, but the, like I said, the nuclear family, but then you had the extended family nearby. And, you know, you learn so much. Really, I'm a baby boomer. Not in chronological years, but like, but in my

2:56:18 makeup, because I saw my grandparents and, you know, I just was so close to them, the things they instilled in me. I'm not really in that. I think I would be considered Generation X, but I have the mindset of an older generation because I had appreciation for it because I was exposed to it. But going back to what I was saying was, they sell you on the dream of extended family of cousins. And no, that's not what they're talking about. What they're talking about is these makeshift families. Right. Where like an enclave of friends get together and everybody can't afford a house. They're communes.

2:57:01 That's exactly what we're talking about. And I'm going to give you an example of how this breeds over to pop. pop culture and mainstream culture. Oh, okay. Friends giving. Yes. Yeah, you're right. Friends giving. Oh, you're not, you know, you part of your family. Get together with friends. And y'all call it friends. This is the new plan where you'll be living in a bunk. You have a bunk in a car, you know, in a car. In a dorm, in a dorm, in a dorm. I mean, we've seen these things. I think you did a clip on with a Lululemon guy where he sleeps in like a bunk and he has like two pair of underwears, two pairs of pants.

2:57:42 Exactly. That's the plan for the future. And it's like, well, the luxury of it is you get to create your own family because your real family sucks and they don't understand you. So this is the war, but they roll these things out. And you see these, like I said, I could have had 60 clips in the show, but it's just that Friends Giving is a perfect example of this. It's not that they're going to sell you the extended family, which I'm more than a fan of because I think it takes stress off of kids to get not the pressure to be 18 and figure things out and go off on their own. I really don't think kids, especially kids in this age, because of arrested development.

2:58:25 Not as a negative thing, but just we age slower now. Even myself, you know, I mean, me at 40, I would probably be where my dad was at like 27. I mean, so because they grew up hard, I mean, and rough. But yeah, so that's what they're trying to do: they're trying to sell this. I forget the name of it. It's like a selected family or something like that. Where, yeah, so that's what they're trying to do. I'm familiar with the select. I'm sure they do have a catchy phrase for it. I don't know what it is. It is. It slips my mind what it is. But yeah, so basically, it won't be extended family, which you would think that's the opposite of the nuclear family.

2:59:08 But no, it's the selected family, like all these friends. So Jason was on it and he was saying, like, yeah, they're trying to say black men and women don't need each other. And as I always say, it starts with us. And that's why you see divorce and single parent families and things are through the roof. And man, that's where you want to live. That's your choice. But I don't like how the media is selling it as the best way. If it works for you, it works for you. But let's get back from show 21 and get back in with Jason Whitlock and the patriarchy. Believe in family, believe in the patriarchy.

2:59:50 And again, I done told people I am the patriarchy. I tell people up front, you know, and I pay a price for that with these woke women out here now. But I believe men and women have unique responsibilities. And I'm willing to live up to mine as a man. I don't, and again, unique responsibilities, not unequal responsibilities, unique responsibilities. All the responsibilities that apply to a man, I'm willing to take on. Family of choice or chosen family. Chosen family. That's the one I see.

3:00:31 That's this trick. It's like you think nuclear family, extended family. No, it's the chosen family. It's the family of choice versus the family of procreation. Yes. Man, it's heavy, it's some heavy duty stuff. And you know what? The weird thing is, I got a couple of messages. People actually think you're the conservative one on this show, Adam. That is interesting. No, but that's the bias thing. They're like, well, the black guy has to be more liberal than the white guy. I mean, it's just by the odds of it. I'd say you're a little bit more. And yeah, I think you're more conservative. Yes, I am. I am.

3:01:15 I am. I think you are. Not saying that you're a liberal, but I'm just saying I embrace my, and I, when I say conservative, I'm not talking about political affiliation. No, it's talking about, I got to explain it to the people. I'm talking about a social conservative. And to give you an example, we always talk about television shows. We have to go back to Billions. And one of the guys I identify with and my guilty pleasure is Charles Rose Sr. from Billions. And I get him.

3:01:55 And this is him giving advice on divorce. did try to love him. Try harder. Give a marriage seven years before you even entertain the notion of a divorce. From the day the Dorsey brothers showed that Presley boy swiveling his hips, there's been a slow but steady erosion of the family. Well, here is how you keep one going. You find a group of friends better than you, find one worse, bitch about them to each other. And then when you're all bitched out, run 10 miles a day. Take your birth control pills and flush them. And make that kid your project together. And if Ira doesn't know how to fuck you,

3:02:39 you teach him. Okay. Yeah. I'm not done. One more thing: give yourself the lime test. You stick your finger in lime juice and put it up inside. And if it stings, get yourself cleaned out. Do not bring the clap home to your husband. It's uncivil. That's my guy. Old school. Oh, man. Old school. But I identify with people like that. So I think people should try to keep families intact and create families.

3:03:15 And that's just me. Speaking of television shows, I'm reading here that the Fox television show Almost Family. Uh-huh. Well, that is some deep propaganda for the family of choice. Yeah, and I think this is us is another one. You're probably right. Yep. Friends is the one. Friends was the earlier version of this chosen family. Yeah. Man. You watched the commercials. Watch the commercials. Yeah. You better stop depressing me, Mo.

3:03:58 No, I'm not. I mean, because we identify the problem. If we identify the problem, we can solve the problem. The problem is that we think everything, oh, yeah, Friendsgiving, which if you want to get with friends for Thanksgiving, I understand. I don't like some of my family. I get it. You say so. Right. But it's just this thing of choosing. You get to choose everything. You get to choose your family. It's about destroying lineage. I mean, that's what it's about. It is. Destroying everything. Everything. Everything. The fabric. All fabric. Because so much of your self-identity comes from your lineage.

3:04:35 And whether you like it or not. It's what it is. The way you're made up. If you're around your parents, your brothers, your sisters, your aunts and uncles, you see yourself. You're like, that aggravates, that aggravates me about them. And then you realize you do it too. So then that's how you have self-improvement. So, I mean, it's a process. So going back to black men, the problem is now these black men, right? Black men are the white men. White people are black people. That's the narrative. And that's why we can't get along because we have these crazy conservative ideas that come from the patriarchy.

3:05:16 This comes from the conspiracy to destroy black boys from show nine. And it tells you pretty much what black men want in general. Now we have a lot of people making plenty of money and lonely. That place money before a family. You see, black men want to do what white men do: buy their family a house in the suburbs, two cars, and once a year go down to Orlando for Disney World vacation. And when black men can't do that, they don't feel they're worthy enough to stay. So that was a short clip, but I found a longer clip that really explains what your working class.

3:06:01 And that's who I speak for. I mean, people think I may think I'm a professional because I'm an engineer, but bro, I work my way up from packing boxes at the end of the line to where I'm at now. So my heart and my understanding goes out to the dudes that lace them up every day and go make earn their living. And all we want in return is outlined in this next clip, which, of course, if you want to talk about black men and black families, you got to go talk to Steve Bannon, right? That would seem like the guy. I mean, that's almost like

3:06:45 our buddy Hershkovitz. Seems like the guy. Seems like he has the profile. Well, let's listen to. Steve Bannon talk about his family and how they came up. The Bells, you know, my grandfather and father, I think, the only two guys in the history of the Bell system to be both 50-year employees. My grandfather worked there 50 years as a lineman and a PBX guy, and my dad was 50 years, started in the sewer pulling cable and worked for 50 years. So as a father and son, worked 50 years for the phone company. So you had these big institutions. You know, I was fortunate enough to be raised in a great time in America, right? The 50s and 60s. But you believed in these big institutions, the Catholic Church,

3:07:31 the phone company, and these were permanent fixtures in your life. And it's kind of that stability. I came from a neighborhood that was a little bit tough, but it was not like it was a very solid, great background. As I go throughout the world and meet these very wealthy people I deal with all the time and see their kids, the greatest thing you can give a kid is that kind of basic core, loving family that's there in rock solids. So the family, the church, the community, the phone company, these are institutions. And so the institutions are everything. It's a very institutional life when you think about it and quite hierarchical, but it gives you a set framework that you can grow and be, you know, get to be an adult. And there's a real sense of,

3:08:16 you know, something that's solid there, something that's real. Yeah. So he pointed out, he said, you need the family, the church, and industry. Yep. The way that used to work is my dad worked at this factory. And if my son just wanted to be up to my standard of living, I would get him a job at the factory. And it's the thing now where, well, your kids can't even inherit your job. It used to be that way, you know, because you would get your kids in the union or, you know, are on at the factory. And, you know, at least you know, you know what? My son is not going to have a worse life than mine.

3:08:58 But this is where America sold their people out. And black men were just like, that's all we want, you know, is to live in our own neighborhood and have our church. And the reason why I use the Steve Bannon clip is because he's Irish Catholic, which they were the last to get on the white train. Right. Because, I mean, if you read some of the literature from the KKK, they hated the Catholics. Oh, yeah, yeah. Right up there, if not more than blacks. I mean, it was neck and neck at times. But what I'm saying is, even with that, you know, built-in Roblox, they carved out their own little neighborhood and they carved out their industry.

3:09:42 And, you know, their, I think they were talking about the phone company, the Bell Company. And his granddad worked there for 50 years. His dad worked there for 50 years. Now, look at him. You know, two generations, three generations. Now you have a son that's a Hollywood mobile, I believe. I think that's his official work. He's, he got, I know he made money in Hollywood. I'm not sure. Yes, he owns a piece of the Seinfeld show. He invested it. You see what I'm saying? Yeah. Two working in sewers, pulling line, and then two generations from there. So that's all we want. Give us a shot. But you know what?

3:10:24 I'm going to tell you like this. We're not giving that shot. And I had to be very serious when I say this now. Because when you see a black man, let me see. I can say this. When you see a black man give it his all and is chewed up and spit out by the system. You saw this in the Rust Belt with white Americans. And, you know, I think Michael Moore said this that reason why they voted for Trump. It was a big middle finger to the, to the, you know, to the

3:11:04 establishment and the elite, right? You put your, you gave out, you gave it your all, and then the company just walks in and gives you a pink slip or, you know, you phase you out because you're too old or don't give you a pension. And you, as a black man, you see your father done like this, Marxism and communism seems like a viable option. It's like, if it's what, if it's what capitalism has for me, and if you don't believe me, listen to this. Now, this is real because I'm in the middle right now. And I'm looking at my dad. I'm looking at my son. And I'm like,

3:11:47 is it something here for me? I'm saying? Like, in the American contract, does that really exist still? Or is it every man for himself? You know, and then you got to make the best deal for yourself. I don't even know if I can answer that at the moment, Mo. I think structurally, yeah. But the fabric on top of it that communicates that message is very distorted. But that's what you saw at the Capitol. Exactly. That's what you saw at, I mean, that's why I can empathize with those folks because it's when they shut down the flower mills and the textile mills in a small North Carolina town I'm from, before my uncles had high school education at best, but they could take care of their families.

3:12:31 Right. Fast forward, you know, 30 years, and you could have two people working and you're scraping by. This is the deal America wants to give. And you wonder why the kids are looking for a new political structure? Now you're right. Are you surprised? So I'm not going to put it. I'm not going to put it off all off on the young people and the people that's looking for different. Now, I would say they're short-sighted because, you know. But I am seeing very hopeful, very hopeful moves towards other exits than a socialist system. I see a lot of people. What about the worker?

3:13:15 What about the guy that just wants to get up 40 hours a week? But I'm talking about young people who have come out of college with the papers worthless. And they are starting to build their own world. They're starting to build their own systems. Bitcoin is a part of that. I think that's a different crowd, though. I'm talking about the guy that gets up and just wants to go and be a contributor for 40 hours a week and have the house. Man, like I said, Steve Bennett is a small house and not a nice neighborhood. I mean, it wasn't the suburbs. You know, I mean, it was working class. Right. Well, that's where do those guys, what do those guys got?

3:13:55 I mean, what do you think? That's the manufacturing that has to be brought back. I would not know what it is otherwise. There's farming. No, that's what I'm telling you. That's what I'm saying to America. You're playing with fire right now. For sure. Because once those people stop believing in the dream, and they start communicating that dream to the, and like I said, the keeper of that dream is Black America. I'm just going to give it to you straight. Because we bought in. Go to school, make yourself viable, you know, where you're a plumber, electrician.

3:14:33 You know, I mean, the workers. I mean, like I said, I'm dabbling in entrepreneurial things right now, but I can tell you what the sentiment of the worker is. Yeah, it's messed up. And when you lose them, you lose your country. So if that's that, that's the way. I know I drugged that out, but this said all that is set this next clip up. And this is an angry black man, quote, angry, because he's seen his father destroyed. And he end up becoming a communist. And you want to play the clip.

3:15:15 First, you tell us that it is manly to keep your word. All right. If you are a man, you keep your word. And now all that the black people in this country are demanding, and even the black people in the whole world are demanding, is that you keep your word. You told us we were free. Well, then, show us that we're free. You told us that there is justice, equality for all in this country. Well, then, stick to your word and let us see the justice and equality for all. Or else admit to us that you're not a man. You're a word. You're afraid of us. You're afraid to give us equal stand. You're afraid that if you give us equal ground, that we will match you and we will override you.

3:15:58 And if that's what you're afraid of us, then tell us that just what you're afraid of. But don't keep hiding it from us and holding this up to us. And every time we ask you for something, you give us a little bit of something. And it's all tokenism. We don't want tokenism. And then most black men in this world don't want charity. And yet, so every time we ask you for something, you give us a little piece, a little piece. You're playing games with us. We're not children. We're big men. I've seen my father have to put up with all kinds of stuff. He was a big man. He raised a family. He went down south and he had to go around to the back door with his wife. We're not asking for anything. We're not asking for any favors. All we want is what's ours.

3:16:47 and that's the sentiment. Yeah, we bought into this country, and then when I say we, I'm speaking for the worker now, not the worker in the communist aspect, but the guys that drive the trucks and you know, those guys, and it's getting to the point now where you can't even have a wife, you don't even have enough money to have a wife and a family anymore. That's not what you want for a country, no, no, it's not unique to America right now, but um, some of our uh, some of the problems we're dealing with are

3:17:29 or the uh actually the opportunities we have because I think it's a lot worse in other countries, a lot worse, and that's why I'm saying like we thought if we do the right thing, it would be uh it's a contract, you know. And like you said, if you last guy said, if it's not the deal no more, just tell us it's not the deal, right? But that's you're not alone in the boat, obviously, you know, so no, all no, not all people, all people, yeah, okay, well, people are what January 6th, there you go, that that's what you're seeing that that deal. And that's why I said I can empathize with them because I'm just can only speak from my perspective.

3:18:14 Oh, it goes beyond empathy, it's it's what's out there is uh is incredible. Yes, there's a lot going on that's completely a tinderbox instead of talking about you know who incited it, who incited it, said why were these people so incitable. That's the question that's not being asked or discussed, yeah. And then, and then you get broad, and if you do have a job, you're trying to maintain your job, and it starts with the white men first. I mean, this uh uh and this aspect of oh, you're a white man, you're a white man, and then it's just going to spread to oh, you're a man, you're a man, or you're a heterosexual man.

3:18:51 I see where this is going, yeah, uh, the re-education is coming, but when a culture doesn't work for people anymore, it dissolves, and that and this is what uh Dr. Amos Wilson says in this next clip, clip 37. Looking at the question, what is culture? Horton and Horn Hunt said from life from their life experiences, a group develops a set of rules and procedures for meeting their needs. The set of rules and procedures, together with a supporting set of ideas and values, is called a culture to a great extent.

3:19:29 You see, a culture involves a set of rules and a procedure for meeting needs. And this is the thing we have to keep in mind: you don't have a culture just to have a culture, and you don't claim a culture just because it's a culture or just because it's African. The ultimate thing that culture must do is solve problems. That's why people evolve a culture, that's why culture comes into existence as a way of what? Solving problems and meeting needs.

3:20:06 That's why, at a certain point, when a culture no longer meets the needs of a people or solves the problem confronting a people, that culture must be transformed. That's right. And what will it be transformed into? Marketing attempt to be socialism, communism, some other ism. Because you're looking at, well, capitalism didn't work. Well, you want me to be insane? I mean, that's the thing about keep trying the same thing and get expected different results. So the kids is like, dad don't know. Look, look at dad. He's out of work. You know, I mean, like, he can't even provide for us.

3:20:50 And you think I'm going to buy into capitalist? Not saying for me. I mean, because, like I said, I mean, I see the bigger picture of Marxism and capitalism. No, it's even worse than that. What I get from the Zoomers is, yeah, you may be well off, but look at us. It sucks for us. So that's your fault. So it has to change. Yeah. That's what it is. Yep. That's exactly what it is. And they pit the two against. It's generational. Like I said, it's a generational war. Very easy to do. But we're going to get to that at a later date. But while we're talking about the gender war, because what you have to do is pit the man against the woman.

3:21:32 And right now, there's this war going on. And I've been reporting on this gender war for a while now, especially I can only speak. speak in the black community that black women supposedly don't think black men have qualities to be husbands, and black men don't think black women have the quality to be wives. And it ends up in what you know that's not helpful for our continuing on the lineage. But it's so Dr. Vadi Botcham, he's going to speak on

3:22:14 cultural Marxism, and he's a pastor, by the way. Enter the cultural Marxists with a couple of goals. Number one, to explain why the revolution didn't occur as Marx thought it would. Marx died in 1888, by the way. So now we get into the late 1800s, the early 1900s. We get into World War I. And there are a couple of players that you need to know if you're going to understand cultural Marxism. One is a guy by the name of Antonio Gramsci. Gramsci was an Italian

3:22:57 Marxist. Another one is not an individual, but a group of individuals known as the Frankfurt School. Oh, yeah. Two ideas. One, Gramsey's idea of cultural hegemony. Listen to the way one sociologist puts it. Cultural hegemony refers to domination or rule maintained through ideological or cultural means. It is usually achieved through social institutions which allow those in power to strongly influence the values, norms, ideas, expectations, worldview, and behavior of the rest of society.

3:23:43 Cultural hegemony. That's the power. Yeah, the Frankfurt School. We talked about that, didn't we? And who holds the power in today's society? The women. Yeah. Because they can decide, yeah, I don't want you here anymore. I don't want to be with you anymore. And you have these television shows. And when I say television show, the morning shows pumping all these crazy ideas

3:24:19 that's counter. And when I say crazy, I mean that's counter to what we've done for a thousand years as men and women in our relationship with each other. It's this new school of thinking. And the result of it is that it's hitting mainstream and it's causing strife between the male and female. It's not black anymore. And I have this couple of clips of feminists talking to men's rights groups. And as we just run through these two next two clips, and you can chime in how you want to chime in. But I just want to let you know what's happening on the ground right now. What do you need a whole men's rights activism movement for?

3:25:01 I'm sincerely confused. Well, I mean, I will advocate for positive masculinity and what men should represent and healthy outlets for men. Like, I still think the Boy Scouts should be exclusively the Boy Scouts, for example. One of those things. Where I would like to think that we could get some common ground is when it comes to the clear biases that are in the court system, especially in the marriage and family court system. Right. And right there is what I would advocate for when it comes to men's rights. The things that stand valid, like that I'm hearing from y'all that are like valid to me, come from a place of like, I am treated like unfairly by the system versus a lot of the things women are saying.

3:25:39 It's also America in the system as well, but a lot of it is like harm from men. Okay, I think some of the things that you guys are touching on, such as the court system and gender roles, are a subject of patriarchy. And that's part of what women are trying to dismantle is those traditional gender rights. Are there any feminist organizations that have done anything, for example, to challenge bias against men and fathers in family courts? Absolutely. Can you please give me a list of feminist advocacy organizations that have engaged in any meaningful advocacy to address those issues because there are actually none? Okay. I know that you came with your little research or whatever. I didn't come with a list of like feminist organizations, but I know actively that there are women's organizations that are trying to dismantle those inequalities.

3:26:22 Just one name. Just one. Again, I didn't come with a list, my dude. There are no such organizations. I mean, just how is she communicating to him, my dude? Well, that. that's when you throw facts out the window. It's like you, you have to kowtow to my feelings. Facts don't mean anything at all. Your scientific method and your linear racist and your rational. No, no, no, no, no. You're not addressing my feelings, which to me, my feelings trump your facts. And what this does is it makes communication impossible between the two states.

3:27:07 This is what we learned with the New York Times with the veteran reporter who had to resign was because of his use of the N-word. And even though it was doing it in the context of journalism, the written word, the statement literally was that it doesn't matter what your intent was. It is how it made the recipient feel, which is just the end. That's the end. The family court system is based off of feelings. Yep. It's just the end. Do you not realize right now your wife or my wife could pick up the phone and like, you know what?

3:27:50 No, I do. You're a gassy. I do actually. Get him out of here. Yep. No, I'm just saying. So that's true. So what? So just think of living under those conditions. And now what the young men are saying, well, you know what? Screw marriage. Yep. I'm out. If that's the condition, screw it. Yeah. And if your goal is depopulation, which it is, then that's you're on the way. You're headed down the right road. And that's what this list is all about. It's really about depopulation. That's always what they want at the end, whether it's climate change or anything. It's always less people.

3:28:32 Well, yeah, what they call the useless eaters. Yeah, it's what Prince Charles calls the useless eaters, to be specific. Yeah, that's what they look at. It's just like, oh, what do you contribute to society? Well, I mean, this is the second clip of this. It's men's rights versus feminism. In what ways are men's rights at risk? I think there has been significant progress over the last decade or so, especially in the legal field. But I think there are still significant disparities that need to be addressed, such as poor health conditions, bias against men in the criminal justice system, bias against men in family courts, and bias against men in the educational system, especially in colleges.

3:29:16 Men and women should be allies. It strikes me, like the way you phrase this, you almost want men to say certain things that you want them to say, as opposed to maybe actually listening to what they're saying. Just kind of like men being allies, men talking to other men, etc. I'm completely okay with that, but I'm not going to repeat like feminist talking points to other men. We all believe different things. We may be under the label of men's rights activists, but for example, I'm probably the most traditionalist person here. I think we should be allies, but maybe us being allies in a patriarchy wouldn't be so bad.

3:29:54 You know, us going back to the past wouldn't be so bad. It would probably be a lot happier if we were getting married and staying married and having kids and going to church and all that. The heads were exploding after that. Of course. So this is where we get to the show, material. Here we go. Here we go. All right. Yes. So everybody's crying for justice, right? Justice. We want justice. You know, everything is, you know, it's not justice. And the court is held up by justice. Yes. Well, justice doesn't mean to some people what you think it means.

3:30:35 You're thinking about fair trial and what is the 14th Amendment, I think it's 14th. You know, your right to a fair trial and those things. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That ain't the justice that the people at the top are talking about. What justice really means. Welcome to Chasing Gods, where we find meaning with symbols and myths. To judge with justice is believed to be one of the top virtues by philosophers, writers, and artists of the ancient world. From ancient Egypt to ancient Greece and Rome, justice has been personified by a goddess who not only belongs to the highest ranks of gods, but whose symbolism is even sought by them.

3:31:15 You could imagine what justice must have meant to men. This goddess I'm talking about is Lady Justice. You've probably seen her, but may not have paid too much attention. She could be a statue, an emblem, or figurine to represent justice. in the legal system worldwide. She holds a scale, a sword, and at times she wears a blindfold. Yes. Lady. The mother goddess. AKA the mother goddess. When they say no justice, no peace, that's what they're talking about. No woman in charge. Yep. No peace. And guess what? Everybody got been all out of shape when you had the balphometry put out the front in these courthouse state houses, but you got the mother goddess right in every courthouse across the world.

3:32:04 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Not in America. Not only in America, all over the world. Yeah. So now we got to go back to clergyman. And we might need a trigger warning for this because Pastor Gino Jenny is two in one show, Mo. That's pretty crazy. Trigger warning. Trigger warning. Trigger warning. Your attention free. Trigger warning has been activated. Do you hear what the book says? Yay, many there. Yay, many there be. That have run out of their mind. For women. For women. And become servants. And become servants. For their sake. For their sake.

3:32:48 Many also. I've counseled with men who knew they was being used and told me they was being used and told me they didn't even care. Amen. Couldn't help themselves. That's right. By this also. It's sad to know you're being used. And you don't. I mean, you won't tie into her. That's right. Especially when she tells you straight up. Yeah, I'm using you. Amen. And you don't care? My lord. Why should she care? That's right. Listen. Now in 1st Estras chapter 4 and verse 22. Listen at all this scripture. All this scripture. That's right. This is the condition.

3:33:32 That's right. By this also, ye must know. Some women go around using men because their mama did it. Yeah. And they had a good teacher. That's right. Some women go around using men because they're influenced by their friends. Some women go by and around using men because they're not influenced by nobody. They just want to do it. Just want to do it. And then some of them do it because of the atmosphere they came out of. Their sister do it. The other sister do it. The other sister do it. The other sister do it. Their mama do it. They aunt do it. Their grandmama do it. Their great-grandmama do it. Their great-great-great-grandmama do it. Amen. It's a family affair. It's a family tradition. That's right. We're doomed. Am I right?

3:34:15 Doomed, I tell you. No, but these problems that manifest themselves in the world, like in the flesh, this is this is some high level of spiritual stuff that's going on. And that's why you heard Black Lives Matter doing what they did. Like I said, when you hear that, no peace. They talk about justice. Because why would you believe in the court system that you said it? These systems of fire. Yeah, and objectified you and controlled you. What? No, no, no. That's not the justice they're talking about. And this goes all the way back to Adam and his first wife, not you.

3:34:57 This goes back to Adam and his first wife. Are you aware of Adam and his first wife, Adam? Adam and his first wife. Yes. You know who his first wife was? I guess not. You would think Eve, right? That would be the logical answer, but apparently not. 45. So Lilith is one of the most popular mythological women of the last couple hundred years. We've seen her as a vampire, a demoness, a seductress, and even Satan's concubine. But in recent years, Lilith has taken on a new role. She's become the dark feminist, the embodied, powerful, liberated, unapologetic woman that we have come to revere.

3:35:44 Truly, Lilith is a complicated, layered figure. The most popular story of Lilith comes from a medieval rabbinical text called the Alphabet of Ben-Sarah. In this story, Lilith is the first wife of Adam, born at the same time and of the same earth. But very quickly, they realize this match is not meant to be. The first thing on Adam's mind is to lay with Lilith. Very literally. And he insists that he be the one on top. But Lilith will not have it. And she insists that if they do the deed, she will not lie below because she will not be subordinate.

3:36:24 subordinate to him. She will not be of lesser status. Lilith says, We are equal to each other in as much as we were both created from the earth. Is this where Lilith's fair comes from? Exactly where it comes from. This is some Beyoncé-level stuff, too, by the way. This whole vibe. Of course, Beyonce is a representation of the mother goddess. All the pop stars are representations of the mother goddess, aka Lady Justice, aka. Yes. Isis from Egypt. Oh, boys. Wow. Okay. So we've got the temples.

3:37:06 We've got the history, Black History Museum, American, African American History Museum, upside down Egyptian thing. Right? We've got Lilith. Got Michelle Obama over Barack Obama. Yep. Wow. The role that she plays. This is now. How do you come? There's got to be some. We need some hardcore magic of our own to fight back. Lodging and reason. That's why they want to dismantle it. Right. What do they say? A man, what they say, a man is controlled by his emotions is like a boat in a raging sea or something like that.

3:37:49 I think the statement is something similar to that. But basically, when you're controlled by your emotions, a man, he's all over the place. And to be honest with you, women don't like that when a man is uncertain. No, no, no, not at all. Wow. Well, this is the same thing. So that's why they want to destroy the masculine principle. That's the whole point. Well, now we're going to. This is luckily. Men of all cultures and colors can join hands in this. Yeah, and it's not a religious thing. What I'm saying is because when you operate in logic and reason, then you can understand the outcomes of what happened.

3:38:31 It's like, okay, I expected this to happen. The scientific method. No, I can, that happened. Now let me repeat. You know, and then you have, and then you have improvements. That's technology. All of this stuff they call technology now and science. Going back to where we started ended last show, science is the new religion, but it's not science. Right. Because how are you going to get rid of scientific method and have science? So, what science are you talking about? Magical stuff. Nocebo effect. All of this stuff ties in together. It does. And let's just go and wrap up with 46. You're going to give me nightmares, man.

3:39:13 After a while of arguing, Adam complains to God that the woman he made for him is malfunctioning. And God tells Lilith she has to listen to her husband or else she's going to be exiled from Eden. And that would be pretty miserable. But Lilith doesn't care. And in fact, she flies away, screeching the unknowable name of God that somehow she knows. And after a while, it's kind of lonely in Eden. And God tries to get Lilith back, saying that, you know, if you don't come back, I'm going to have to curse you to be a demoness who devours our own children for eternity. But Lilith says. So be it. Because to her, that fate is better than one of eternal subordination.

3:39:56 Now, to the modern mind, this is pretty freaking feministy. But there's something to keep in mind about this text. This was not at all meant to be a feminist revision of biblical mythology. It was most likely written as satire, possibly even a commentary on the horribleness of women, as if saying, But though most of us have come to know her through this medieval text or this medieval story, Lilith actually has ancient roots born in Babylon and Sumeria. The story of Lilith is first seen 5,000 years ago in the Epic of Gilgamesh and even hinted at in texts before that.

3:40:39 Originally, she was a handmaid of the goddess Inanna, the great sky queen. And Lilith was somebody who appeared extremely sexually independent, extremely grounded in her body and her own autonomous power. Boy, just described every modern woman there. I didn't say, I didn't say that. I did. But I'm just saying that now you understand. Now you understand. And she's the consort of who? The sky, the great Nana, Ananya, which is who? A representation of Lady Justice.

3:41:20 Which, of course, what it Soro sisters, what do they operate in? No justice. No justice, no peace. Okay, that's going to haunt me for a little bit. Oh, man. But you know what we need? We can't say this. We need allies that are women to call out this behavior. Because it's a non-starter. No, I think we can't. I can't think we can say it because that's clearly part of what's necessary. But there's also, I think, a large group of women are probably also under attack who, believe it or not, may be more conservative often.

3:42:05 Of course. I said the worst thing outside. And I always joke with people I talk to. And I say the second worst thing you can be other than a black man in America is a housewife. Yeah. Housewife. Oh, they're so demeaned. They're so. Look, that's the hardest freaking job in the world. I'm telling you. Now we come 360. You're talking about the kids and being at home. Oh, bruh. One is running the house well. That is amazing. That's a real job. That's a real job. You're talking about logistics and education and

3:42:46 healthcare and culinary arts and science and economics by couponing and knowing what's coming in and going out. Yeah. But they demean them. Wow. I'm a little speechless, Mo, because I'm just like, wow, I got to think about this. And again, I appreciate you because I'm always thinking, what is all this information going to get me to at the end of this show? And wrapping it up with the little thing really hammers it home. And I can't, yeah. Holy crap.

3:43:29 And I also always immediately understand the last song of the show whenever we get to this part. Like, ah, now I know why he chose this one. Okay, excellent. Mo, thank you so much, man. This was yet again a fantastic journey. I'm not as giddy and happy at the end of this one. I'm more like, holy crap, I got some stuff to think about. So I appreciate that too. If you know the plan of attack, you can counter it. This is correct. That's what the positive. No, don't, don't, everybody out there, don't be defeated. Because if you know the plan of attack, then it's you can, you can defeat it. You can come up with a, you know, I mean, and it really is just prove, prove, prove what you, show your work.

3:44:14 That's what you need to tell people. Show your work. What have you built? What with this method? What have y'all built? But now from this day forward, I will always be slightly triggered, but in a good way, because it will alert me when I hear no justice. No peace. No peace. I'll know exactly what's going on. And as I always say, pay attention to everything and the truth will reveal itself. It always comes true. You are so right. Moe, thank you so much, my friend. All right, appreciate it, Adam. See you next time. You got it. And we'll be talking to y'all real soon. Remember to support us at mofax.com.

3:44:56 And we'll see you next time for MoFax with Adam Curry. Until then. Here she comes. You better watch your step. She's going to break your heart in through it's true. It's not hard to realize. She's looking to a false colored eye. She'll build you up just to put you there. She's a good faith.

3:45:49 See the way she won't be the way she comes. Everybody knows.