99: Devil in the Details

00:00 What's the title? One more clip. Track two. Mo Facts with Adam Curry for July 24th, 2024. This is episode number 99, almost 100. And as usual, we're right on time. I'm Adam Curry coming to you from the heart of the Texas show country, and it's time once again to spin the wheel of topics from here to Northern Virginia. Please say hello to my friend on the other end, the one, the only, Mr. Mo Facts.

00:40 How you doing, Adam? Hey, Mo. I'm good, man. It's been a hot minute. Are you okay? Everything good there? Everything's going good. Everything's great considering what the world's going through. I mean, it's amazing. I see you on Twitter. I see you. You're doing spaces now. It's like, uh-oh. And then, you know, you actually reached out to me two weeks ago and wanted to do a show, and I had a whole bunch of stuff going on. So let's do the 24th. I'm kind of glad in a way because now we can look at things with hindsight. Although you may have been somewhat prophetic with what just looking at the clips, I have no idea. I have no idea what you're doing. But this was prepared before the start of July, right?

01:24 Yes, it was. Well, this has been a show, been prepared for years because we're almost at the final one. We're almost at the final one in this series, and people are waiting. And everyone's always happy when it comes out. So why don't I get us started here, Mo? Because I'm very excited to see what we're going to do. Let's spin that wheel of topics round and round around. Where it stops, nobody knows. Only Mo Facts knows. Today's topic for Mo Facts with Adam Curry. Episode number 99 is... You have to kill the devil. So this was already prepared before these past two weeks.

02:07 That's quite amazing. If you haven't, what did you got the trigger warning? Because this topic, years, years in the making, because it's such a sensitive, sensitive topic. Trigger warning. Trigger warning. Trigger warning. Your attention please. Trigger warning has been activated. All right. Proceed at your own risk, ladies and gentlemen. It's up to you. We have to examine, is white supremacy, the system of white supremacy, demonic?

02:51 Okay. Is the system of white supremacy? Is that demonic? Right. Because I'm going to say this. We, on all sides, we hear this group is the devil. That group is the devil. That group is the devil. Yes. And I think even more now in the past, since episode 98, I think it's become more and more clear that there's good and evil forces working, but who is on whose side is the question. Correct. And I didn't get it in here, but even when Tucker Carlson was on Joe Rogan. Oh, he was talking about it. Right. Which we already got enough clips.

03:31 But what I hope to do is examine that. And I know, let me be clear, these last two shows are going to be very inflammatory, not intentionally, but just because of the programming of the system. You think this was bad? Wait to the last one. Because we have to examine two slurs. The one slur, and we haven't touched this white devil. I know when people hear that, automatically you have a gut-wrenching response to it. Well, not me per se, but yes, I think a lot of people will. And do we need to just briefly explain that white supremacy has nothing to do with color?

04:15 That's probably important just to reiterate. What we're going to do, hopefully this whole show, we're going to reiterate that point. And I have to say this up top. There's three groups of people because we're hearing who's black, who's not black. I'm confused now. Everybody's black or not black. It's crazy. Right. There's three groups of people from my understanding under the system of white supremacy. There's non-white people, there's white people, and there's white supremacists. The white supremacists differ from the white people because they believe in a system of mistreating people based off color.

04:57 White people are just classified as. as white, but they don't believe in a system of mistreating people. And the non-white are the people that are mistreated based off of color. Which includes orange. Right. And the point I'm trying to make here is, and I've said this many shows, I have to do this preface because I understand how triggering this show may be until you get to the end, as like every show. It's going to make sense at the end. The white people, quote unquote, that don't want to participate in white supremacy are the biggest threat to white supremacy. Yes.

05:38 Yes. I think we've had that as a common theme kind of ramping up in the past 15, 20 episodes, maybe. Right. And we have to understand this to understand how the world is working. Yes. So we're going to go back to actually where this is taught. This is a clip. This is Harvard Studies Long History of White Supremacy in American Textbooks, too. The politics of education are playing out in classrooms all over the country. At least 17 states have introduced bills that would restrict how educators teach American history and current events.

06:22 During this past election cycle, a number of Republican candidates pushed false claims that critical race theory and anti-whiteness are being taught in public schools. Harvard University's Hutchins Center for African and African American Research found evidence of the exact opposite: that American public education has a long history of teaching white supremacy. Our special correspondent, Joey Chen, brings us a story of textbook racism. Ralph Waldo Emerson, Walt Whitman, Elizabeth Cady Stanton, Noah Webster, that's the dictionary Webster.

07:00 All great writers we think of as progressive. But a closer look at their writings and those of many others finds shocking ties to the ideals of white supremacy. They're all using the same kind of language in describing and dismissing people of African descent. All of them. Is this like an NPR program? No, this is, I think, CBS. Yeah. Oh, beautiful. Okay. So it goes back into the textbooks because it's, I normally don't do this, but I feel it's necessary. I mean, and this, for people that wonder why the shows take so long, sourcing the information is one thing, but ordering the list

07:46 is the whole other thing because if you don't order it correctly, it becomes convoluted and misunderstood what's been trying to be said. So I want to, if you can do it on the fly, let's do 11A next so we understand why this system was even created. That's the old royal system. We still cling to it. People say that they don't believe in royalism. They believe, they say that George Washington didn't believe in the royalist type of government. That's why many white people fled what we call Europe to get away from the royal concept, the royal political model.

08:31 Talking about politics now. Let's get away from that type of politics, royalist politics. Oh, we don't want that. And then proceeded to do what? The minute they got a little bit of breathing space and a field of corn and some cotton, then they took that royalist position and put it on a color basis and say, now, white people will be royal. Black people will not be royal. They will be the serfs. They will be the slaves. They will be the gophers. Do this, do that, lift that barge, throw that bail.

09:12 And we, white people, will be the royalists. And so that's the model that the white supremacists have based everything on, and they have not turned it loose. Why? Because it's such a workable model. You know, it's interesting, Mo. Someone gave me the Founder's Bible. I don't know if you're familiar with this. I'm not. Well, so it's a Bible, New American Standard. And throughout it, it has historical text going back to 1606, the Mayfair Compact, the Mayfair Compact.

09:51 And I think poorly understood in. in the textbooks, if at all, because I certainly never heard about it. There was all kinds of issues between the colonies and anti-slavery, pro-slavery, white supremacy, white people. There was a lot going on that is never discussed. This whole show, this is not a show about conflict between black people and white people. Correct. This show was built off the conflict between who is white, who is not white, when they became white. Are they still white? Who qualified? I mean, honestly, this is not, no,

10:35 in itself, in the groups in itself, there's so many divisions. And we're seeing that play out in presidential politics of let's just go there for a minute with Trump. Yeah. With JD Vance. He's, you know what I'm saying? He's from the South. He's our rural area. You see what I'm saying? Like, he's orange, but not really orange is how he's being portrayed. Yes. Yes, exactly. So this goes to show you that if you don't, Neely Fuller stated, I believe it. If you don't understand white supremacy, what it is, everything else will confuse you. And it's not what happens is with the left, they bastardize the term just like they did with racism that is ineffective now.

11:20 Like everything is white supreme. No. No, it's no. What it is, is it's a royal system based off of color. And to be honest, it was strategically done. You have to understand why it was done because when you come here to the North America, you're outnumbered. It's like, you know, we were royal when we came here. You know, you have factions that were royal and some were just workers. Let's make everybody look like us royal so we have the numbers. It's a numbers game. Correct. So I mean, I have the, because I know what I'm dealing with with the, with the,

12:01 how heavy this is, the mind control is. Oh, it's very hard for people to grasp this concept. I mean, even just looking at your, you know, your, your stuff you've done with HOTAP, he doesn't get it. I don't think he understands it yet. Or if they get it, then it becomes my team is, yeah. You know, I look at the liberals as the white supremacists, or I look at the conservatives at the white supremacist, depending on what side I'm on. But really, they're all on one side. It's the power structure. It's like they're up top. They're up there. As George Carlin says, it's a big group. You ain't in it.

12:41 Exactly. Once you understand, you cannot crystallize that any better than that. But they'll, and I know I'm belaboring the point. I have to give you an analogy. It's like a football franchise, right? I'm a Cowboys fan. I can talk in the terms of Cowboys as we because I'm a fan, right? But am I really on the Cowboys team? No. No, no, you're not. But you're, no, you're a paying spectator. Right. Will management allow me to think I am? Of course. That's the whole, yes, here's the shirt. Give me 80 bucks.

13:23 Exactly. And then when you look at that, you have season ticket holders. They're a little bit higher than the TV watchers at home. But they're not on the team. Good analogy. And then you have the players. They're on the team, but are they part of the franchise? They're in the cotton field. Right. Because they get cut. You're slowing down. You broke your leg. You're off the team. So the only people on the team are the ones that actually own the team. Right. Hopefully that analogy says great. We should have used that a long time ago. That's a great analogy. I like it. Yes. That clears it up right there.

14:05 So you have everybody out here, these teams on my team, and this person's not on my team. Kamala, she's not black. She's not on my team. The power structure, you clearly see it. The Democrats not only can say now who isn't black, they can say now who is black. It's amazing. And that's right. And they just call it and that's it. And what does that even mean? And like I said, I understand what that means, but now when you do that, it doesn't even have any meaning anymore. And they control the meanings of this work. So, okay. So hopefully, because I know I don't want to lose people. I don't want to turn people off.

14:46 But at the same time, I would be lying to myself. to myself, which is disrespecting yourself, if I didn't try to clarify this misunderstanding to hopefully bring in a system of justice, which is the whole goal in the first place. Well, if the people understand it, the people who aren't on the team, who think they're on the team, we have a chance. Yes. So, all right. So, with all that said, let's get back to the regular scheduled list and then number three. But wait, I mean, Ralph Waldo Emerson, Walt Whitman.

15:25 It's stunning. That's Donald Yacovone, historian and author of a new book, Teaching White Supremacy, who recognizes that what he's got to say sounds like heresy. That wasn't intended that way. I didn't know I was doing that until it happened. But it is an assault on the way we understand our culture and ourselves. To understand how this mild-mannered scholar became something of an academic flamethrower, it helps to have a little of the backstory. Jacobone was deep into research on another book when, just for fun, he went to the library to check out some old textbooks. This is an academic's idea of taking a break. But then you went down a rabbit hole.

16:12 It was like Alice in Wonderland. I fell in, and it was in a completely different world. I saw this collection of 3,000 textbooks, and I was stunned. I just wasn't expecting that. Wait a minute. Did this guy find something out that he could have learned from listening to this very podcast? Obviously. Wow, what a waste of a degree. Okay. So, but 3,000 textbooks. Yeah. Hidden away. I can't wait. I can't wait. All the understanding of race that we have comes from the educational system, which who controls the educational system.

16:53 But since you can't wait, let's just go ahead and get in number four. And the recurring themes, he says, were taught to generations of American school kids. The achievements of black Americans and other non-whites were consistently ignored. African Americans were portrayed as incapable of learning or achieving, even well after the Civil War, and it got worse. Here's how a textbook used in the late 20th century described enslaved people. They loved to sing and dance. They were generally blessed with a keen sense of humor. And this is the tough part. And a certain amount of promiscuity was taken for granted.

17:31 Slave women rarely resisted the advances of white men, as their numerous mulatto progeny abundantly attested. That's a high school textbook from the 1940s, which Jacobone says was still in use decades later in classrooms across the country. Textbooks contained old tropes because a handful of publishers have traditionally dominated the industry. And two states, California and Texas, because they buy so many, have outsized influence on what goes into books. So if the Texas education doesn't approve of a textbook or a certain section of the textbook, it gets rewritten.

18:18 We're getting down to some genesis here. 1940. Yeah, not that long ago, really. No, I mean, and they said it was in use decades after that. And if you understand how books work, textbooks work, the black kids got the old books. So you can have somebody my dad or mom's age getting taught from textbooks that had this information in it. Oh, man. That's awesome. So, and the point I'm trying to make is that seek first to understand, then to be understood. So when you hear these dog whistles, excuse me, when you hear these dog whistles,

19:01 if you're not a dog, you can't hear the whistle. Yes. That's why it's called a dog whistle. Hello? Yes, yes, yes, yes. So when you hear promiscuous and black women put together, that black woman hears that everybody else might not hear it, but she hears it. Right. And I just want to make one more point of who's black and who's white, even on the RC side. Notice now Amber Rose is black. Yeah, not amazing. Now, of course, hanging out with Kanye already gives you a little bit of a black card for a while, for a bit.

19:42 But she even said herself that she's identified as. as being black, right? But they framed her as being a black Trump supporter, yes. Which, if you once again, if you go back to what that last clip says, that's not the kind of person you want to kind of identify as a black woman. No, she's a lot of not good in her, right? So, what are we saying? Like, right, and then the devil, the devil pops up again, yes, even with her. I mean, so this goes to show you that race does not exist, but us clinging to it

20:22 is going to keep us, you know what I'm saying, the people that control the streams in power. Agreed, yeah, agreed. All right, let's go ahead and jump to number five. Okay, still, he says the blame for racist textbooks doesn't lie solely in conservative southern states. Remember those early thought leaders from the progressive Northeast? Jacobone argues their writing shapes what we have all learned. The textbooks are the embodiment of what we value in our culture. This is what we're teaching kids, yeah, what we value. And if what we value is white supremacy, then the damage is considerable, and that's a tough lesson to unlearn.

21:09 Okay, Captain Obvious, got it. But he was made a pariah. If he'd have left it just as Texas bad, he would have been okay, right? Oh, he would have been celebrated, but I have to give him credit because he said, Hey, it was on both sides, and that's the hardest thing to do. It's the loneliest. Trust me. I hear you. Yes, I know, I know. I see you on Twitter. Yeah, it's the loneliest road to call a fair game and call it straight down the middle. But I will not lie to myself because I honestly believe that is a very

21:53 slippery slope for you to head a mental illness. When you start to lie to yourself, you start to believe those lies. Oh, we're seeing it play out in real time. Right. Everywhere. Look at TikTok. Look at Reels. It's everywhere. On all sides. And when you see these kids on TikTok, what they're doing is rejecting the system. The same thing in the 60s. They were rejecting the systems of the 1940s and 50s. That's why you had the hippies. And what happened? The system said came in and said no. Well, they adopted the hippies.

22:35 Well, they're rejecting the system, but they still want to blame someone for it. Well, they're confused. Yes. They don't want, like I said, they don't want to partake in this system because whenever you have culture, you have counterculture. That's what the hippies were. You're countering what's going on. Like, I don't want to take part in war and these things going on. And then you get beat down by the system. And what you're hearing is when people say, I don't want to be, and I'm not, this is pure speculation, but it's not, it's based in something. When you see, I don't want to be a male anymore.

23:18 Yeah. I want to be a female. Yeah. What are they running from? Yes. Yes. Toxic masculinity. Right. Yeah. Or I don't want to be this anymore. I don't want to be. They're rejecting what's placed on them. But not understanding how it works and therefore make very odd moves because of the confusion. Correct. Yeah. And now, you have four kids. Are you able to teach them this? Oh, I get it. Dad, you can't say that. It's them. It's them. It's they, dad. Right. So what I do is I ask questions because once again, I live my life by the seven habits.

23:59 Seek first to understand. Also, empathetic listening, which is a superpower, I believe. Ask a question, a sincere question, and actually listen to the answer. And if, and like I said, I don't get it right half the time, but at least I try. You know what I'm saying? Of course. I mean, because we kids, I mean, kids are kids. Yeah. But if you ask questions, and this is something we've done for 99 episodes, I've never asked you a rhetorical question. You've never asked me a rhetorical question. And we never shamed each other for the answer we give. No. If you do that, I believe that at least we can come to an understanding. We might not agree. but at least we come to a common ground understanding of where each other stands.

24:45 And we need this for the world because if you don't see, they are fast on the move. And by the way, just the fact that we do this show, you should see some of the things people call me. I know I'll probably, you know, you know, it's predictive. No, I don't, I never heard it, but I know the predicted response. Yeah. And you probably know what I'll call that can be called. Of course, of course, of course. Right. And to be honest, I'm sure you had reservation before doing the show. Like I had a reservation because we knew what was coming. But it's like, you know what? It's almost been five years. I wouldn't have done rather than done anything else.

25:28 I mean, like, outside of family stuff, but dedicated my time to it because everybody writes letters in like, oh, I get it now. Well, you know, and for the for people who don't know the genesis of this show, and you can listen to every single episode that are all evergreen. The genesis is truly that we were just talking for weeks. You would just call me up and we'd be talking and you know, back and forth. And then all of a sudden I said, hey, man, you know, we're wasting good content here. People need to hear this and not secondhand through me or secondhand through you. They need to hear it firsthand. And it was links instead of clips. I mean,

26:07 but basically, you're hearing that conversation happen. And it wasn't, let me frame this in a way where, you know, Adam Curry would be upset or, you know what I'm saying? Or your response is like, don't let me use kid gloves with Mo, and I don't want to see him right. No, this is what it is. This is how I feel about it. This is how I feel about it. And you know what? And if you can get to that point, even if you don't disagree, there won't be any animosity there. Never. But I'm telling you right now, I mean, just forewarning because there's a lot going on in the world, so we got to touch on it. This thing with Kamala, the only way I see her winning is racism is going to put her in the White House.

26:51 Question? Yes. Is it Kamala or Kamala? That right there, that right there is a racial issue that I'm hearing. And not only that, she uses both. Yeah, I know. That's the best part. She doesn't even pronounce it one way. Exactly. But I'm telling, I'm forewarning people that racism, because the Democrats have planned this. You think they didn't say, hey, look, this is a Hail Mary for them. It's abundantly clear. It's very clear to me, the planning here. Right. But what's going to, what they're banking on is

27:33 Beyonce. Beyonce is what they're banking on. No, what they're banking on is we get enough racism queued up towards her that black people do their default reaction to racism is to counter it. And white people. Right. And vote. Yeah. And I'm telling you, that is the secret weapon for this situation. And, you know, already, I have a really good relationship with all three of our daughters.

28:13 One of them's younger than the other two, and she lives in New York, lives in Brooklyn. And so she's, you know, she's exposed to a lot of this. And she'll tell me straight up. You know, she's probably not going to vote at all, but she'll tell me, oh, yeah, Donald Trump represents old white racist America, and Kamala represents the new America. She says, amongst her friends, she's not saying that that's necessarily how she feels about it. That's just what it is. And that was by design. Yes. Yes. And just to show you how white supremacy works, it's racial showcasing. As we talked about, put the black people out front to throw you off.

28:58 And I honestly believe the military industrial complex can get way more done with Kamala than Trump. No, that's a good point. You know how many people, brown people, Barack Obama bombed? They're just keeping 100 here. Well, only ones in sandy areas, though. Right. I'm just saying, though. But if Orange Man, he tried to come through doing that kind of action, it's going to sit off bail. But you have a female that's brown doing that. Yeah, a whole different you can get way more done. And that's what I'm telling you. It is what they're trying to do. And I had to say this because it explains how this system works.

29:39 They're sitting back calculating like we can get way more, we can sell way more bombs. We could take way more territory with a Kamala than a Trump. Oh, you're so right. Yeah, which, which, like I said, it should scare you because last time Barack Obama was in office, and then she has the, they have the, she's the law order candidate, yeah, yeah, yeah, domestic and international. Yeah, yeah, so I'm just letting people know, like, the when I saw, I was like, oh, okay, I see what the play is here. And the how the racism factor in is if when you have the back and forth on X, it creates the illusion of engagement,

30:29 which allows for the steal. Oof, yeah. You see, the black lady already got killed in Chicago. Yeah, that's bubbling under, though. They're trying to get it to the top. No, no, no, no, not right now. Are they going to bring it back? Where's the DNC at? Nowhere. No, where's the DNC convention? Oh, Chicago, of course. Hello. Yes. Yes. We got to ride this thing out. It's going to be interesting. It's sick, is what it is. Yeah. It's sick, but this is how they work it. We got a dead body. We got to keep it on ice. Was that with the black lady? Was that in Chicago? It was in Illinois, yes.

31:11 Oh, of course. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Perfect. And this is how these sick people sit in rooms. And by the way, I'm sure they could pull a story like that or a similar story from any of the 50 states at any time because a lot of people, a lot of things happen, a lot of stuff going on. But this one's Illinois. Okay. This is the way we got. We have the camera. The key is the camera, the footage. They got it. They got it all, but this one is just pushed to the top. Right. So I'm just telling you, this is, and they're going to keep it on ice. So when Chicago hits, it's going to go, it's going to explode. And I'm telling you, this is how it works. Even though Ados, FBA people are pushing back, like, we don't want Kamala.

31:54 We're being very vocal about it, but all you need is the illusion of interaction and illusion of interest and engagement. And that allows for the steal. Yeah, did you see the Black Lives Matter note? Their statement? No. Black Lives Matter statement on Kamala Harris securing enough delegates to become Democratic nominee. You mean the defunct police Black Lives Matter? Yes. Yes, exactly. Exactly. Confusion. Hello. Confusion. Exactly. So they're saying it's undemocratic. Democratic Party elites and billionaire donors are attempting to manipulate black voters by anointing Kamala Harris and an unknown vice president as the new Democratic ticket without a primary vote by the public.

32:37 I'm putting it on, I'm putting it on, put it in the book, Wes Moore. Wesmore? They got to go double black. I mean, we got to talk about it because ain't no telling when we're going to be able to record again. Wow, a double black ticket? Double black. Do you have a name? Wes more. Wesmore, really? Yeah. Oh, man. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. He fills in all her gaps. You know what I'm saying? He's the male that brings in the black men. Well, yeah, that's the problem, obviously. And you can't go with people saying Shapiro. You can't. That's too much Jewish around her. A Jewish husband and a Jewish wife. No, no, no, no, no.

33:18 Look, we already got the Jew card in there. Well, for the Palestine thing. Yeah, no, of course. I understand. By the way, I can't go. Let me tell you what I think is going to happen there. I think Trump, he's going to, he has a meeting with B.B. Netanyahu this week in Mar-a-Lago. And he's already, you know, sent out pictures of a nice note from the Palestinian president from whatever authority, Mahmood. And he's going to cut a deal. He's going to get some hostages back. He's going to cut a deal. He's going to have this war at least temporarily halted before anything, before the election.

34:00 He has to do something. That's just because the solidarity, they're calculating. You can't have two women. That won't fly. Man, this Wes Moore. Yeah. Rhodes Scholar. Oh, he got scholars. Oh, man. Wow. He's not corn pop. He has his own corn pop. No, but seriously. He does. No, no, no. T-Bone. You remember, what's the guy up in New Jersey? Corey Booker. Yeah. I got a friend. friend named T-Bone. Yeah. He literally has a T-Bone story and it's legit. Look it up. The other Westmore. Check it out. But I mean, so I'm just telling you the fact that they work all the reason why I can kind of game plan this because it's a system.

34:46 Yeah. And if you understand the system, you can kind of guess how it's going to work and how to counter it. But I guess we can get back into No Agenda Show prep here, too, at the same time. All right, so what we got, number six? Yeah. Okay, number six. You then go on to say that rather than 1619, if you really want to kind of mark a year as the beginning of the American story, you advocate for 1493. Now, most of us from our rhymes in elementary school remember 1492 as a really important year. Why 1493 in your mind is really the one we should be focusing on?

35:29 Right. Yeah. So 1492, the year that Columbus sailed the ocean blue, right? They had those rhymes kind of ringing in our heads. Well, you know, it turns out that obviously that's an important date. But 1493 is the year that Columbus goes back to Spain and is actually commissioned with great fanfare and it's commissioned to return to the so-called New World with a much bigger fleet, much more, you know, kind of bigger men, more animals, more equipment, the whole, the whole nine yards to kind of continue this. But more importantly than that, this created a real problem, a political problem and an opportunity.

36:13 And what happened was Spain needed to know that it could rightfully claim these lands. And so who do they turn to to secure that claim? Well, they turn to the church. Yes. Yes. There's so much that went on in the 1400s, 1400 and 1500s. No one talks about it. And this is why if you wouldn't believe it, if we didn't tell you, we don't talk. You have no clue what I'm working on. I have no clue what you're saying, what you're into, other than when I peek in on the no agenda show, but I usually listen to and lapse. You know, like hindsight, like, okay, let me just, or if I hear you start to talk about something that might drift in with something I want to talk, I'll skip through it.

36:58 So that way I don't know where you're coming from. But 1492, that's baked. Everybody knows that. Right. Everybody, but what that was, and what this, what this is, is the origin store, the origin story of white supremacy in America. This was the green light to go take whatever we can find if they're not white or Christian. Right. That was the green light. And this pretty much stands if you think about it. Yes. When we go to Iran or Syria or wherever, it pretty much stands. But let's go ahead and listen to number seven and see if you think so. And the language is fairly stark.

37:37 I was going to read like from an earlier, one of the earlier documents, the right, they're giving rights to the political kings to invade, search out, capture, vanquish, and subdue all Saracens or Muslims and pagans whatsoever and other enemies of Christ wherever placed and the kingdoms, dukedoms, principalities, dominions, possessions, and all movable and immovable goods, whatsoever held and possessed by them. And here's the key line, and to reduce their persons to perpetual slavery. So this is the official word of the Western Christian Church to the political, to the Christian political leaders about really who does and doesn't deserve human rights.

38:25 And people also don't realize that there were so many different factions of churches in America in these early centuries who were fighting. People got kicked out of colonies. Oh, you're Protestant, get out. Oh, you're Catholic, get out. They have no idea. The church was not just a monolith. I mean, there's all kinds of stuff going on. And just to foreshadow, Catholicism kept people out of whiteness for a long period of time. Long time. You know, I didn't even realize that what a problem America had with Muslims. And I'm saying it, I'm trying to frame it that way. And did you know that the battle hymn of

39:08 the Marines from the halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli? Yes. That was because the Muslims in Libya, they were attacking ships coming to America. And so we built a navy, sent it over there and went and kicked their butt. butt. You know, that was Muslims. It was literally about Muslims. This is so much untold history. It's crazy. But none of it's really changed. No, no, it's just hello. Yeah, surprise. The world is the same. And that's what I'm, I keep harping on this point until you get to the root of the problem and the root of the divisions.

39:49 Everything else on the top is going to confuse. I mean, like, it's just literally going to scramble your brain because it's like, okay, why does this people like these people? Or why don't these people like these people? It seems trivial to us, but I mean, like, we were talking about the red heifer a few months ago. I mean, like, that was a world phenomenon. People were taking it seriously. Oh, it's all over. End times. Here we go. The red heifer is done. All right, let's get to the last clip of the origin. To kind of reiterate what you just read and said, the argument is: if no Christians occupy a land, then it's up for grabs by Christians.

40:30 Western European white settlers can come in and claim that land. And any property, wealth, or people that live there are found there become the property of the Europeans. And the justification for this is that Christianity and therefore Christian cultures are inherently superior to all the others. And any claims that those people and cultures may have don't register. It's only if Europeans are there that there's real ownership. And you can't infringe on land that other Europeans may possess, but everyone else is up for grabs. Yeah, that's right. And what they thought, you know, the clear assertion of what balances the scales here

41:13 is that, yes, they're seizing their property, their persons, everything, the land. And what they saw as the balancing factor is that they were giving them Christianity and quote-unquote civilization. Also known these days as democracy. Yes. We're giving you democracy. And whenever democracy comes to everywhere else but America, it's not good. It's a bad thing. Bad news. Not only for the violent side of it, but the decaying effect it has on people. You know, we have morals and standards in our country.

41:58 Now, I mean, that's kind of how we took over Russia, right? With rock and roll. I was a part of that. Not took it over, but collapsed it. I was a part of that, man. I was a part of that. Which if we understood it, it'd be different. But it was like, no, I'm just making music or I'm whatever. Yeah. Yeah. And we do it to ourselves because, like, with hip-hop, the same thing. Yeah. No kidding. People think they're making money and, you know, just trying to get out of this struggle or whatever else. But they'll pay one to capture a thousand in the rat race. It's destructive. In the criminal justice, you know what I'm saying? The criminal justice complex or whatever you want to call it.

42:39 So I think Gerald Horn, this is next set of clips. He's going to confirm some of what you were saying about the Muslims and what was happening over there in like the 15, 16. And let me put this up front. I am not a historian. I really don't dig history because we know history is written by the winners. But history is sort of like science, what you can prove. Put it to the test and then see if it can be proven or not. That's how I look at history, not taking everything verbatim how it's written.

43:15 So a Jeralhorn one. I make the argument that the turning point actually was in 1655 with the fact that at that particular moment, the English had ousted the Spanish from control of Jamaica. And at that same moment, the Dutch, who if you had spoken to someone in 1650, would have said would have been the leading power in the world in 2017. The Dutch had just been ousted from what is now Brazil. They had kicked out the Portuguese. The Portuguese came roaring back. And with the Dutch being ousted from Brazil, what happened was that a number of individuals who had mastered the art of making sugar out of blood, that is to say, making sugar out of the enslavement of Africans, many of whom were Jewish.

44:10 You saw that London was then able to oust the Dutch from what is now Manhattan and also most. most of what we would now call the Middle Atlantic states and what is now the United States of America. And then by 1672, you had the systematizing of the African slave trade and the formation of the Royal African Company under the thumb of the king. Oh, man. And I don't know if he mentions it later, but it's worth noting that all of the pilgrims, when they left England, they went to Holland first. They were there in Amsterdam and Leiden for four or five years before they set off for the new land. So they got a lot of learning there, not just their godly roots, but everything.

44:56 And how you came to this landmass called America, it was different for different people. Some people came here forging, you know, the frontier and some people came looking for lack of a better word, religious freedoms. And others were sent here as property. I'm talking once again, we're leaving black people out of this. Transportation. It was like, you were a criminal in England. We're going to flush it. Out you go. What are we saying now? This happened from South America and Central America. They're flushing out their prisons.

45:37 They're sending them to America. Yeah. Same thing. History repeating itself. America is still a penal colony. I mean, if you take, if you look at it from that standpoint, they're flushing out the middle, South America, Central America prisons. If you want to take, you know, one size story on it or narrative. So it's the same thing. It's just transportation. It's nothing new. By the way, I think Trump understands this. I think he sees this repetition. I think he knows it. I think he understands this stuff.

46:19 So is it? Let me ask you this question. Is it a good thing? It's not good because it's falling in the system, but I don't understand their plan. Now, you know, me state this before. This military-age men thing, I don't think it's here. They're here to conquer us. No. I think they're bringing in soldiers because we don't have any people to want to fight. Yes, correct. I'm in agreement with you on that. Yes, they get the facts, you know. You want to be a citizen? Yeah, serve your time. And it's the best loyalty test for those new citizens.

46:56 I mean, because they did a similar thing back in the 30s and 40s with World War II. They brought a lot of people over here and then sent them right back to Europe in uniform. All right, so let's get to number 10. The Africans, of course, did not cooperate with their enslavement and they were rebelling. They were oftentimes outnumbering the Europeans on these islands. And that then, of course, led these Europeans to then move to places like South Carolina. And then, just to continue the chronology, in 1683, you have the Ottoman Turks, the Muslims, stopped at the gate of Vienna with their onward march and their conflict with Christians, particularly in Western Europe, coming to a kind of ending of a

47:46 chapter. And with the Ottoman Turks stopped at the gates of Vienna, you saw that it was easier then for the folks in Western Europe to sail southward into Africa because many a times before the decline of the Ottoman Empire, those sailing southward from Western Europe to try to enslave Africans would then enslave themselves. No, they don't even teach about the Ottoman Empire in school. No one knows what this is. Why would you do that? Oh, because it's better not to know so you can use the system. The system needs to continue. You can't have knowledge. That's power.

48:27 Keep them confused. And they don't even teach, just take something, you know, you think you could politicize math. They don't even teach math the same way. No. So you come home. I'm just using it as an analogy. You come home and you taught to do math one way. Your parents are looking at it, like, no, no, you do it this way. And both parties are confused as hell. Well, that's like that's the same with the pronouns. It's the same thing: confusion, confusion. And it's the reason for it. We'll get to that later, but let's go ahead and get to 11. And then finally, in 1688, the merchant class,

49:05 which had been chafing under the rule of the monarch in London, in any case, not least the ability of the monarch with control of the Royal African Company to garner these. lush profits, then clipped the wings on the monarch, leading to what might be called a bourgeois revolution and the opening up of the slave trade to these merchants. And that's when the slave trade takes off like a rocket post-1688. And that's when these doctrines of whiteness begin to take hold, and white supremacy in particular. And then you begin to see doctrines built on that principle of exploitation.

49:46 And that's what I would see as the origin story of white supremacy. Although I'm continuing to do further research, and as you know, the research project oftentimes leads to newer revelations that overturn older so-called revelations. So if you talk to me in two years, I might come up with a different thesis. Interesting guy, this Gerald Horne. Yes, he is. Very, very interesting. And this is Samaz 11. Basically, the crown fell, the bourgeoisie took over, and now they create the system that Neely Fuller was talking about: you're royal if you're white if you rule, or you're royal if you're white.

50:31 It's like there's no more bloodline, there's no more, you know, kings and that kind of thing. It's just basically off of color only. So, this is we normally don't do this, but let's just listen to Neely one more time, just quickly, and then we can jump straight into well. I'll go just listen to Neely one more time. That's the old royal system. We still cling to it. People say that they don't believe in royalism, they believe they say that George Washington didn't believe in the royalist type of government. That's why many white people fled what we call Europe to get away from the royal concept, the royal political model.

51:12 Talking about politics now. Let's get away from that type of politics, royalist politics. Oh, we don't want that. And then proceeded to do what? The minute they got a little bit of breathing space and a field of corn and some cotton, then they took that royalist position and put it on a color basis and say, Now, white people will be royal, black people will not be royal. They will be the serfs, they will be the slaves, they will be the gophers, do this, do that, lift that barge, tote that bail,

51:54 and we, white people, will be the royalists. And so, that's the model that the white supremacists have based everything on, and they have not turned it loose. Why? Because it's such a workable model. So, it would be a lot easier if we had a king to understand it. I mean, I always was taught that, you know, and when George Washington became the first president, they almost made him king first. That's pretty much the extent of what you'd hear, right? Which is, you know, just brushing the surface of what was really going on. And it always amazes me how, particularly, British people will defend their royal family as just ceremonial.

52:37 It's just cute. We just like it. It's culture. Not knowing, not knowing how real it is. It's very real. You know, you don't keep that much ceremony going, but now I have Thomas Soel Thomas Sowell, how you want to pronounce it. This is the greatest racist in American history. And what this explains is that there were apprehensions to even bring in certain white appearing people into whiteness. In an editorial in the Saturday Evening Post, Lorimer warned against our racial degeneration as a result of immigration, which he said could end with Americans having to forfeit our high estate and join the lowly ranks of the mongrel races.

53:28 In the early 1920s, Lorimer assigned novelist and future Pulitzer Prize winner Kenneth L. Roberts to write a series of articles on immigration for the Saturday Evening Post. In one of these articles, Roberts referred to the better-class northern and western Europeans who are particularly fine types of immigrants, as contrasted with the queer, alien, mongrelized people of Southeastern Europe. These articles were later republished as a book titled Why Europe Leaves Home. In this book, Roberts said, among other things, the Jews of Poland are human parasites that people from the Austro-Hungarian Empire were inconceivably back to.

54:09 backward. He added, the American nation was founded and developed by the Nordic race. But if a few more million members of the Alpine, Mediterranean, and Semitic races are poured among us, the result must inevitably be a hybrid race of people as worthless and futile as the good-for-nothing mongrels of Central America and Southeastern Europe. Nice. It's levels to it. Yeah. It's levels to it. Eventually, they had to roll them in and let them be rural too. But when it hits the fan, they'll let you know, well, you're not really white.

54:54 Right. You know, you're not, you know, even with J.D. Vance, he'll get letting on. Like, you're not. No, no, he's not. No, sorry. Literally, he's white trash. Right. That's what I'm saying. It's levels. You know, in the hierarchy, you know, it's a color line as big as the Grand Canyon between white and non-white. Big as the Grand Canyon. So, I mean, you can't cross over it. That's why, and you notice that's why transracial never takes hold.

55:32 Right. Think about it. You can be trans are, you could be trans species, transgender, trans, uh, whatever they call age, like you can chronologically trans. Like, you know, I'm young, but I want to be old. I'm old. But when you get to race, yeah. Rachel Dolazau. Yeah, I was just about to say. Yeah. Far ahead of her time. Right. When you get to that color line, oh, no. You know what I'm saying? Like that date, because that the system, like if we allow that, then the system collapses. Right. Who maintains this? Like, you got to think who maintains these laws.

56:13 And I spoke about this on the last show. Hopefully, the last show is making more sense with this show. Is you can have seven white grandparents and one black grandparent. You're done. And you can't be white. No. What is that? If it's if it's not, you know, that just not happenstance. That is, that is a hard rule written, you know what I'm saying, in, you know, in law. And even if it's not real law, it's in the law of the culture. Like, oh, who is that? Oh, that's my grandma. Not like us. Yeah. Listen to me being cultural. Yeah, listen. Listen to you.

56:59 So he continues on with even more examples in the next clip. Progressive muckraking journalist George Creel, a former member of Woodrow Wilson's administration, wrote articles on immigration in 1921 and 1922 in Collier's Magazine, another leading mass circulation publication of that era. In these articles, he made the familiar contrast between the peoples of Northern and Western Europe with the people of Eastern and Southern Europe, using the familiar nomenclature of that time, which called the former Nordics and the latter Alpine and Mediterranean peoples.

57:36 The men and women who first came to America were Nordic, clean-blooded, strong-limbed people from England, Ireland, Scotland, Scandinavia, Belgium, Holland, Germany, and France. The millions that followed them for a full two centuries were also Nordic, holding the same customs, ideas, and ideals, fitting into the life they found as skin fits the hand. Not until 1880 was there any vital change in the character of immigration, and then commenced the tidal waves of two new stocks: the Alpine from Central Europe, Slavs for the most part, and the Mediterranean, the small swarthy peoples from southern Italy, Greece, Spain, and Northern

58:20 Africa. These latter immigrants, Creel described as the failures, unfits, and misfits of the old world. Creel said, Those coming from Eastern Europe were morally, physically, and mentally the worst in the history of immigration. And this sounds antiquated, but this is the gropers. A gropers, how you pronounce this? With Nick Fuentez. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The Gropers, you're right. They are pissed at Trump right now. Yes. He was supposed to promise them a white nation for white Anglo-Saxon men, even though I think he's Italian and Mexican.

59:04 Mexican, which I find strange. Like, you don't even know, like, you don't even know the system that you want to be a part of. You really wouldn't even be in the club. But they are pissed right now because they thought they were going to get a, what do they call it? Ethno-nation, I think they have to pronounce it. But basically, a white nation. They were mad, like, you got an Indian doing an Indian prayer, and, you know, you got that brown woman up there, Amber Rose at the RNC. Yeah. These things still live on

59:46 alive and well. Oh, yeah, sure. Sure. But even amongst the Anglos, so we're going to go on to 15 now just to prepare because I know we're going to do a little moving ahead. Even among the Anglos, there are divides. There's the Yankee versus the cowboy. Let me just start this little piece of the thing by trying to characterize the mentalities that I'm thinking of and the general power bases when I offer these terms Yankee and cowboy as rubrics for a discussion of what's happening to us. By Yankee, I'm trying to indicate, as would, I guess, be obvious enough from the word itself,

1:00:32 the Eastern establishment, multinational monopoly capitalist formations that are personified in the person or the empire of the Rockefellers. David Rockefeller is from this standpoint, the archetypal Yankee. The perspective of the Yankee is complex and tortured and constantly in process of reformation. And I don't like having to do so much damage to its actual complexity, but I think it may be possible and fair, maybe fair to produce the following kind of generalization.

1:01:12 The Yankee stands on the East Coast and relates to Europe as to the opposite side of a lake which exists as a medium for communication and transportation. The Yankee worldview, Anglophilic and rooted in the belief that there is a special relationship between the United States and Britain, imagines that the center of the world is a North Atlantic industrial community that came into being roughly in this century and that has been traumatized and molded in several world wars. That world center, at least from the standpoint of itself,

1:01:52 is historically, traditionally, currently, the domain of interest of the Yankee sensibility. And the multinational corporation, which moves throughout this as through its capital sphere, is the primary mode of economic organization of this class. The monopoly capitalist class has several characteristics which differentiate itself, which differentiate it from another class, the class of modern cowboy entrepreneurs. Yeah, yeah. Now there's your origin of the special relationship with England. And that's really your internationalist. That's your

1:02:37 globalist. That's your really the Democratic Party. Because the Republican, because when it gets confusing when you use those terms Democrat, Republican, but for the most part, Republicans like closed doors, America first. Let's worry about our country first. The Yankees is like, no, we have allegiance to Europe, England, for the most part, and taking care of the world. And when I mean take care, I don't mean the positive way. No, it's just bringing them democracy. Right. Which with the Cowboys, you can hear later, the Cowboys, like, we got enough stuff here.

1:03:16 We don't need to venture out. You know, we got two oceans protecting us. But I won't continue. I'll let him. This is Carl Ogleby. Oglesby. This is from his 1970 book, 75 book, The Yankee and the Cowboy War. He's going to go on to explain now the Cowboys. A little long clip, so you can stop it anytime you want to add commentary. Entrepreneurial capitalism, cowboy capitalism, is the capitalism that grew up in the United States, particularly because the United States happened to grow up with a frontier that was constantly in motion.

1:03:56 When Marx analyzed the 19th century society, societies and derived the basic conceptions of class that Marxists today still employ, he was operating with countries that basically had finished boundaries, top, bottom, left, and right. That was, of course, not true in detail. There were plenty of boundary altercations in that period and beyond, and there remained plenty of boundary altercations in contemporary European affairs, very important. But the boundary altercations that existed existed for all. What was distinctive about the United States was that it had a boundary that no one else shared. It had a boundary that went beyond Western civilization itself. A boundary on some outside world, which the white man conqueror of the Western tradition moving across the Atlantic to this country in a period of exploration and colonization saw as his without

1:04:47 question. His to dominate, his to exploit, his to make his own in ever deeper and some would say more horrifying ways. Did you happen to see Hillbilly Elegy? No, I didn't. So we've seen it. Yeah, we watched it the other night. And J.D. Vance, you know, this is his autobiography or his memoir. In it, he talks about how his family was a part of the Hetfield-McCoy feud. Famous I'm familiar with that. Yeah, and that's literally what we're talking about here with the Yankees and the Cowboys, aren't we?

1:05:28 The Hetfield and the McCoy's. And so that gives, that's another part of his profile that makes him so interesting in context of what we're talking about here, but also in context of the white supremacy, et cetera, and these elections that are coming up here in America. It's fascinating. And what J.D. Vance, since you brought him up, remind me about Space Cowboy before we go there, but since you brought J.D. Vance, JD Vance is orange bulet. I've talked about this before with black people, black to black community.

1:06:07 So-called. So-called. Thank you. If you have some kind of talent, be it academic, sports, whatever else, they put you on the fast track in the Boulet track. Who I see, J.D. Vance said, have you ever seen Ozarks? Yeah, of course. He's the smart country boy. Well, he's like the Corey Booker. Yeah, exactly. But you know, remember the smart country? With the blonde hair, her smart cousin? Yep. That's J.D. Vance. Like, oh, you're better than this. And we talked about this in previous shows where they

1:06:51 grade on the curve due to zip code on the SATs. This is how they identify these kids. It's like, yeah, you didn't get the, just say, a number 1800 that the kids and the rich zip codes got. But considering that you're from Backwater, Kentucky, or Ohio, or wherever, Tennessee, this is an 1800 score. Oh, is that true? Let's go in and route him out. Is that true? Yeah, we played the clip on the SATs. I don't remember. The way it was presented was this helps black kids to poor inner cities. Of course. No, it's based off a zip code, period. It didn't have a race to it.

1:07:35 It was based off zip code, period. So they can identify these kids in rural areas and swoop them out. Oh, that's right. I got 46 seconds left on this clip. Let me get this. Go ahead. As the whole spectacle of industrial civilization rolls over that mythic Indian past, which begins to seem to so many of us these days, an infinitely preferable alternative. In any case, the movement of the frontier throughout the whole history of the United States meant that there was always an escape hatch, so to speak.

1:08:14 There was always a way to avoid coming to conflict in the big cities over the issues that were therefore constantly suspended. There was always enough to go around so that they had the social, the normal social adversaries that normally would be in conflict with one another sharply, as in Europe, producing today a viable socialist tradition. In this country, turned to the West. Okay. So this is the doctrine of discovery continued. Yes. We can go west. Yeah, go west, you know. No Christians. That's right. Go West. Yeah, we can kick their butt and we can take the land. All the way back from 1493. It's the same mentality. I brought up the space cowboy.

1:08:58 Yeah. The new cowboy is Elon Musk. Yes. He comes from the frontier, not the American frontier, the South African frontier. So that mentality is still in him. What he's saying, fine, y'all can have Earth. We'll go find some green people to take advantage of. Yeah. That's his mentality. I mean, because what do you think is going to happen if they showed you an avatar? We show up. You got natural resources. Blue people. Exactly. Wow. Boot to butt. But that's that frontier mentality.

1:09:37 That's the cowboy mentality because even said it. We have other frontiers to go to. Which is, in a way, is what Silicon Valley portrays himself as and are lauded for for AI. This is the frontier. This is the new, the new new new. Taking it to new places. And Bill Gates more has the Yankee mentality. Yes. The internationalist, the globalist. We have to police the world kind of mentality. And these two are at war right now. There's a war going on between Bill Gates and Elon Musk. Yeah. Yeah. Because Bill Gates is doing some funny stuff with Tesla stock.

1:10:20 Oh, really? Oh, that's right. I did know about that. Yeah. It's an ideology war. It's like, do we want to be globalists or do we want to be, you know, the cowboys? Yeah. And this, this thing is hard-banked. That's why with political lines, it really convolutes things. When I found this, I was like, oh, things start to make a lot more sense. It's like, oh, okay. You have the New England states and then you have the Western Frontier. If you watch Mad Men, it was a similar way because you remember when they won the military industrial contract that came out of California.

1:11:03 Yes. Which a lot of companies went west and it formed the military industrial complex companies out west. That's the whole reason for them going to California to open the California office in the show Mad Men. They show you all these things. And it's like, oh, okay, that makes sense. That whole show is two shows if you want to understand the system white supremacy. You have to watch. Historically, it's Mad Men. Yeah, that's worth a rewatch. Because Donald Draper is a JD Vance type. Is a cowboy type. He comes from, you know, raised in a whorehouse. Yeah.

1:11:48 Dirt poor. He reinvented himself. They said, we found value in you. Even though you stole another man's identity, we can redeem you. So where does Trump fit into this? Trump, I think Trump is a Yankee parading as a cowboy. Yeah. And we've seen this before with George Bush. George Bush was really a Yankee. Yeah, but he acted globalist. No, he acted cowboy off from Bruce Rice. But he was going out globalizing. Oh, yeah, but that's why he got sniffed out because he was like, he didn't really live the cowboy life.

1:12:28 Right. He paraded as a cowboy, but he didn't really live as a cowboy. Where I think Trump is, he has that frontier mentality. The cowboy actual, he actually thinks cowboy. Like, what do we need the rest of the world for? We're America. Yeah. We got all the oil we need here. Yeah. So let's go ahead and get to 16. All kinds of people went to the West, not just cowboys. Frontier Democrats are as important in this country's history, and so is populism as the cowboy strain that I'm identifying in my particular use of the term today. But the cowboy is a figure that emerges in the West in the wake of the Civil War and the Reconstruction period

1:13:12 when the Yankees able to reestablish, when the Yankees really able to establish for the first time their leadership over the federal executive as a result of the Civil War, ultimately were able to reincorporate what was becoming the cowboy base, the old slave base, the old base of the slave South, the bourbonage, the guys who owned the slaves and got beat in the war and now didn't run the government anymore. They went on the other side of the Mississippi. They took fortunes with them as they were able to save them. It wasn't all just gone with a wind. A lot of people were able to move. A whole new loop begins to reconstitute itself. in the 70s, 80s, the 90s.

1:13:53 It's a point of research. It's something that needs to be gone into. I think there's an argument to be made for the view that the Confederacy forces actually began to make a comeback at the expense of Reconstruction forces when the great Yankees, who had come into power as a result of the Civil War to push their program of national industrialization, decided that they need to reconstitute some kind of military establishment to beat the Indians in the West. The Southern power begins to reestablish its hold over military institutions in the wars that followed the closing of the Reconstruction period and the dismantling of the reforms instituted by the abolitionists. You know, I'm just still kind of in context of this thinking of Elon Musk.

1:14:35 Yeah, total cowboy mentality, but he's bringing us into a horrible, a horrible situation with electric vehicles. And people just ate it up. Was he a cowboy? We talked about Bush being a Yankee parading as a cowboy. Could it be that Elon Musk was a cowboy parading as a Yankee? I know y'all want electric cars. You know what I'm saying? Because like, really, he's kind of giving up on that. He's more into his rockets and stuff now. Yeah. If you think about it, I mean, he has internet. He got his internet. He got his satellites. He got, you know.

1:15:20 I even posted that on Twitter. He has his whole cowboy getup on. Oh, yeah. That was fun. The big cowboy hat narrative. That was funny. But that's the thing. I don't think he pulls it off because the cowboy, I mean, I live here with cowboys. And they're like, I don't know about that guy. Yeah, because he was incubated in Silicon Valley. He was incubated in around Yankee. So I think he had pretends. So it seems comes off his faux. But you got to think where he was raised. He was raised on the frontier of South Africa. So I'm thinking that's where he has his mentality of doctrine of discovery.

1:16:02 We had to keep going back to that. We can take what we want from the frontier if we need to. Right. So he's a complicated figure. He's a very, and nobody, they all have to do business with each other. You can't be 100% cowboy. And when I mean cowboy, I'm not saying like literal cowboy. It's these two ideologies of America first, America really only, or we have to be engaged in the world. We have to do commerce with the world. Well, the thing is, he does commerce with the world.

1:16:41 He does. He does. I mean, he's one of the largest military contractors. So, you know, there's a lot going on. Maybe for another show, there's a lot going on. No, but the military is on the cowboy side. Yeah, I know. I know. So, I mean, he's a complicated figure. I mean, like, we won't do a full analysis on him, but today, but let's go ahead and get into number six. No, 17. Yeah, 17. Let's give me a punch. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got you. Following behind were the railroads, the Harrimans, the Yankees. They would come after and assimilate these small personal empires into larger empires, would provide modern-style rationalization, technological, administrative, and the rest.

1:17:24 The cowboys would keep moving away from them out into new clear wilderness, out into land that nobody lives in. Because the Indians aren't people. The Hawaiians aren't people at a certain point. The Filipinos aren't people at another point. At another point, the Chinese aren't. And then come the turn of the Koreans not to be people and the Vietnamese not to be people. These Reds are like the Redskins of the old days. They perform the same service. They bow down to our genocidal needs. They give us space and they give us also the sense of righteousness of using opportunities made for us, manifest as our destiny in all kinds of signs.

1:18:05 And another way to look at the cowboy Yankee thing is what Neely Fuller calls refined white supremacy versus unrefined. Refined is almost to the point that it doesn't exist. You know, it's like full integration. It's fully integrated. You know, it's seamless. But when the rubber meets the road, when you need to clear land for the railroads, right? Oh, now we need the unrefined. We need the muscle. Send in the muscle. Yeah. And the thing is. is, the muscle keeps moving west, keeps moving west.

1:18:49 But what comes with moving west, the frontier? Then comes what? The towns, the cities. Yeah. And then that's well, the railroad is a great example. Right. You have the first thing they build is probably a church. The next thing they build is a saloon. And a bank. And a bank. You know, so you can't get away from the power structure of the Yankees. Right. No matter, no matter what. Let's go ahead and get to number 18, unless you got something to say. No, no, no. Let's go to 18. There even seems to be a sense these days that the issue is precisely the closing of the American frontier.

1:19:28 And I wouldn't be surprised if it's not the right wing that gets that faster than the left wing does. Because the left wing traditionally orients to a European world standpoint, and the right wing traditionally orients to a frontierist, anti-European standpoint that sees America as poisoned by continued relationships, entanglements in Europe, that sees America as liberated as a land where democracy and capitalism happily coexist, only on the condition that this frontier keeps moving, that we keep expanding, expanding the world space available to our enterprise, available to the entrepreneur, like Howard Hughes, like H.L. Hunt, like Getty, like all these Southwestern moguls, entrepreneurial capitalists, much more wealthy as individuals than the Yankee counterparts, but commanding nothing like the empires of Yankee scope.

1:20:19 Howard Hughes, for example, people say is worth three or four billion dollars. Compared to that, David Rockefeller is Pikard. A few hundred million is all he's worth. But the empire that Hughes sits on ends with him with that $4 billion. The empire that David Rockefeller sits on goes to $400 billion. Maybe. Who knows, really? But at least in this kind of stepwise disparity of relationships, we can get a sense of the interstacies in which the cowboy Yankee gunplay conflict takes place. And we're going to get into the gunplay. Yeah. I'll bet. And gunplay is still a valid thing to this day. But before we get to the gunplay, you want to thank some people?

1:27:17 That's amazing. We wish you hear who he was and what he's attributed to him. Okay. HL Hunt. Let's go start with the special report one. In Dallas, Texas, where millionaires are not at all unusual, this man carrying part of his lunch to work in a paper bag is something special. For among those who have amassed great wealth from petroleum, he has amassed by far the most. More than the Murchisons. Oh, yeah. More than the Cullins. More than the Richardsons. Even more than the Gettys. He has no chauffeur. He has no private airplanes. He takes no vacations on the Riviera. He makes no significant grants to charity.

1:28:00 But Haroldson Lafayette Hunt is the biggest of them all. The richest man in America. The richest and one of the most controversial. For he is a strong advocate of right-wing causes and is considered by some to be a serious threat to American institutions. Yes, yes, this does ring a bell now. Definitely. He's an OG cowboy. OG, yes. OG. And OG of right-wing media as well. Yeah, it's coming back to me. Come. Coming back to me. Yeah, it is the most surprising part is the fact he was once the richest man in America

1:28:44 and nobody really talks about him. That's what I find the most fascinating. I mean, that's the challenge. When you say real cowboy just rides off into the sunset, you don't hear about him. When you say Rockefeller, I mean, because he was the counterpart to, say, a Rockefeller on the Yankee side, it rings bells, right? Yes, literally, he rang the bell. I heard it. So, what I want to do is point some attention on H.L. Hunt and the cowboy side, because we're well familiar with the Yankee side, because when you get into conspiracy theories and New World Order and those things, these are the names that pop out.

1:29:25 But H.L. Hunt and those guys on the cowboy side, you don't really hear their names. And he has a lot of stuff attributed to him. But let's go ahead and get to 21. Not everyone agrees that Lifeline and the HLH Foods newspaper campaign are just a couple of more quite legitimate forms of advertising promotion. This is Dr. Franklin Lattell, president of Wesleyan College and national chairman of the Institute of American Democracy, an organization devoted to counterattacking extremism, both of the right and left. The thing which is so disturbing about Lifeline and similar organizational efforts to undermine the public confidence in our leadership is not that they have perverse opinions.

1:30:13 We all have perverse opinions from time to time, but that they impugn the integrity of anyone who has any other opinion. It's beyond conservatism, which obviously is a legitimate viewpoint. A point of view which implies that people who accept welfare, for example, are involved in some sort of communist plot and that social progress like Medicare, Mr. Hunt's been against Medicare. This is a dangerous thing and we are selling the country down the road to socialism. And as everyone who follows the radical right dialectic knows, liberalism equals socialism equals communism.

1:30:51 They equate the whole thing so that it's really an attempt to turn back the clock on progress to think of America in terms of yesteryear when we didn't have, or at least we're not aware of some of the problems that now we seek to cope with. So he uses money for a political influence. One with the media, and he was known for using it to sully up people's names. Yeah, well, that's what you do. Yeah, through his networks. But he also got down to gunplay as well. But we'll get there later.

1:31:33 Allegedly. Let me say allegedly. But it's well documented, the alleged acts. But this is from the MLK tapes. Now here comes Martin Luther King. This is from the MLK Tapes podcast, and this is a campaign to destroy King. In Hunt's world, and in that of many others back then, the great Satan in the universe was communism, which had to be fought in every venue. For example, if you thought that the United Nations was a good thing, you were probably a communist or at least willing to do their work. They had termed for people like you. You were a fellow traveler, or worse, a pinko.

1:32:15 Lifeline gave a daily 15-minute talk on the evils of communism or how certain political figures like Kennedy and King were bringing the dreaded disease to your very door. This is what Hunt himself had to say about it. And you might notice who he says is most to blame. The line should be drawn between those who love liberty and are for freedom and those who are in favor of communism. I am quite generally in favor of anyone that is fighting communism. But the communication media, rather,

1:32:59 is owned and controlled 80 or 85 percent by the opposition. The newspapers, radio, TV stations, and networks are largely in the hands of, we'll say, the enemy. I can't argue with that. The enemy. What he means by is when he says the enemy, he's talking. talking about the Jewish. No, no, the Jewish people. Oh, that's his enemy. Okay. Yeah. Well, I mean, they conflate this whole thing, communism.

1:33:41 And I challenge people to go back and listen to Dream Machine because I didn't want to get into the whole MLK story, the alleged association with communism. But if you want to get that whole story, go back and listen to Dream Machine. And you'll get further context on his association with communist factions. But yeah, that's that's who I mean, because in his paradigm, all the, like they said, liberalism, communism, socialism, and then lumping the Jewish people as well. Okay, just throw them all in there. Yeah, and Catholics. He's going to, he ain't got no love for Catholics either. But let's go ahead and go to 23. But Hunt wasn't just plain folks when it came to his opposition to John F.

1:34:26 Kennedy. As Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson moved toward their showdown at the 1960 convention in Los Angeles, Hunt thought to put his thumb on the scale. At that time, the largest Protestant church in America was the First Baptist Church of Dallas with some 25,000 members, including Hunt and his wife Ruth. The leader of that church was W.A. Criswell, a man with strident political views, often referred to as the father of the religious right. As the Democrat convention approached, Griswell gave a rousing sermon where he said that Kennedy was unfit to be president because he was a Roman Catholic. Roman Catholicism is not a religion, he said. It's a political tyranny.

1:35:08 If John F. Kennedy is elected, religious liberty will die in America. Hunt liked this sermon, so he had it reproduced and sent anonymously to 200,000 Protestant ministers and community leaders across the country with the hope that they would reject Kennedy and tell their congregations or friends to do the same. As to its effect, this effort was too late to derail the Kennedy campaign, which won the nomination in LA on the first vote. But it did demonstrate Hunt's willingness to be a behind-the-scenes player in national politics. Yeah, now I remember H.L. Hunt comes up in combination with many theories about JFK's assassination.

1:35:51 Oh, yeah, JFK as well as many others. That's why I was saying if we'd have done this show early July. Yeah, we would have been right on target, wouldn't we? Well, I think it's actually better in context now. I'm glad we didn't. I mean, because, but I'll say the only thing I did to the clip list really was just reorder it a little bit. But the context and the content is the same because, like I said, I've been working on this H.L. Hunt cowboy rabbit hole for years. One, because it's so hard to source information.

1:36:31 I mean, like, when you type in Rockefeller, I mean, you find all kinds of information and not all of this guy could correct. Right, not at all. Well, even with this, these are accounts of people close to the situation, not only in proximity, but as in time. If you see a lot of these clips, 1975, I mean, they're actually old clips. That way, it's a little, I will say, fresher at the time than 50 years later now. So now we go back to Carl Ogusby and the Yankees and the Cowboy for a little context on the JFK situation.

1:37:16 So, in this rapid interplay of stroke and counter-stroke, just to sum up, we see cowboys moving against, well, Yankees move against the Cowboys in 1960 when Kennedy steals the election, apparently, or so the Nixonians still believe, by virtue of Hanky Pankey carried out by Daly in Chicago and the Johnson political machine in Texas. I mean, the Nixon people come into the 60s believing that they had actually won the election and that they had been screwed and that Kennedy's political power had been what screwed him. That maybe made them feel a little better a little later on when they turned it all around. We have that first act of theft of Yankee theft, of Yankee pilferage within the electoral system.

1:37:59 Oh, man. Then we have the gunplay of Dallas, a response to tensions building up over the next two and a half years. Then that period from 64 to 67 or 68, when people are fooled, when the man who is making war says he is making peace and gets away with it. The man who says he is making social progress actually introduces reactionary social policies and gets away with it with the liberals cheering. But beginning in 67 and 68 to develop a consciousness that what was happening was wrong and putting into play, as I would theorize, a power move that brought about the effect of getting Johnson out of the way and opening up the process for a new burst of Kennedyism, a new burst of Kennedy reformism.

1:38:43 That then in turn got stopped by the cowboy counterplay, the gun play of Memphis and Los Angeles. Wow. You know, I've been looking at this upcoming convention in Chicago as a repeat of 68. It's even crazier. This is amazing. That's a good clip. That's a good clip. It is scary because if you think about it, why was Trump? Why was a shot taken at Trump right before he announced his VP?

1:39:23 Well, I don't have an answer to it. Oh, they wanted to replace both. They wanted to replace Biden and Trump. Right. No matter who wins, it's one of the, and I think it was probably Nikki Haley. Exactly. No matter you got Mexico. Now you got Mexico all over again. Yeah. What I mean by Mexico, the two females running. Yes. And you have two pro. If you had to look at it between the cowboy and Yankees. This is what people don't get. And a lot more has been clear to me in the past week as I've really been diving deep. It's like, this is not like the Democrats or the deep state. This is much bigger.

1:40:02 There's a lot of money on the table. Yeah. No kidding. It's a lot of money. You're talking about shutting down Ukraine? It's like we shut down Afghanistan. We gave you that. Well, we shut it down to create Ukraine. That was the next gambit. But Ukraine falls right into the cowboy-Yankee paradigm. Did you hear what Trump did, though, in his acceptance speech at RNC? What was that? Big, beautiful ships. Oh, yeah. Okay. Because we need that for the South Pacific, for China, China, and Star Wars. You know, we're bringing back the Iron Dome over America. He's basically saying, don't worry, plenty of money to go around.

1:40:46 I mean, hey, I think he got the message. Yes, he did. These people don't play. I mean, they don't play. When we start rattling off this list and who's allegedly involved and what's going on, like these people have, their ideology has not changed. We have this further, it's always continuous improvement. We're always pushing forward because we can't. Let's go back to the okay, I'll wait on that. Let's go ahead and go to the because this next clip is going to be important because you hear people say, it's the FBI versus the CIA or the Secret Services.

1:41:30 No, no, no, no. These organizations are divided along the same lines as ordinary politics. That's right. They're made up of people. 24A. Then we move a little bit closer, resolving on the CIA, and we start trying to get a sense of its internal structure. And I think that what we're beginning to find out, what we're beginning to see, is that the internal structure of the CIA in some distorted fashion with the proportions all wrong reflects the basic divisions in the country. The divisions that I stereotype and generalize as Yankee and cowboy. There is in particular a cowboy side of the CIA, the operations half of it, which

1:42:15 the operations, as the operations side of the CIA, is typically linked to right-wing ideologies, to Howard Hunt and that whole Bay of Pigs clan is a part of that operations part of the CIA. These are the James Bond types, the ones who go through Hunt's 20-some spy thrillers. Empty-minded male chauvinist pigs, a lot of them, the heroes of that world. Then over against that, there's that other kind of empty-mindedness with a more subtle kind of chauvinism, tweety, pipe-smoking, intellectual, learned, attuned to events of culture,

1:42:57 understanding the world and controlling it through that understanding. The intelligence expert, the ones who look at all the inputs coming through all the avenues of intelligence gathering to the central place where it's all looked at and by people who know everything about what's happening. That's the intelligence side. Oh, man, this is so true. true. You know, my uncle Don Gregg, who was, by the way, very close to Papa Bush, like friends. So much so that he would, at family gatherings, he would say he would retell jokes that were dirty jokes that Barbara Bush told.

1:43:40 Yeah, who knew, right? She was dirty jokes, yeah. But those days you had the Catholics in action because it literally was Catholics, not my uncle, by the way. And then you had the jump out of airplanes, save the world. So those are kind of the two factions: the intelligence side and the let's go and do it side. And you can see that that has changed. I mean, just look at the recruitment videos. See, I mean, you're absolutely right. It's not one organization and it was split then, absolutely. To go back to the team analogy that I led the show off with, you got the players and you got the front office.

1:44:25 The front office makes the decisions who to sign, who to pay, who not to pay, who to cut. But the players got to go out in the field and actually play. And there's rifts between, you know, guys hold out, guys, you know, they have strikes. Yeah. But at the same time, they're on the same team. Yes. So now that you bring up George H.W. Bush, this goes back to Prescott Bush since we got the CIA and JFK. Prescott, who helped finance the Nazis. Yes. 24.

1:45:01 We saw a moment ago that in 1942, Hoover forced Prescott Bush to give up his active political support for his favorite young politician, Adolf Hitler. However, four short years later, Prescott found another young man to sponsor in politics, Nixon, who was documented as employing Jack Ruby a year after this photo was taken. Nixon, who hired Hunt, who hired Connolly, was created and sponsored from the very beginning by Prescott Bush. Now, you look at this picture. Do these two look like equals, or does one look like the boss and the other look like the servant? Despite his near arrest as a Nazi a few years before, in this picture, Prescott was now a senator.

1:45:46 That's juice. And with his help, Richard Nixon, the poor grocer's son, had become vice president. But not for long, remember, he was about to lose to Kennedy. Now, you remember, we posed the problem a minute ago that while circumstantial evidence powerfully suggests that Nixon was involved somehow in the Kennedy assassination, the circumstantial evidence does not suggest that Nixon was a powerful devil in 1963 when Kennedy was murdered. He was just one of a multitude of puppets, Secret Servicemen, FBI, CIA operatives who participated in the assassination, all relatively powerless, getting their strings pulled. And we wondered who was pulling Nixon's strings.

1:46:32 So just to put this in timeline order so people may be a little not confused, but just it's a lot going on. You had the 60 convention, which going into it, Johnson was supposed to be the favorite. Right. Which Johnson was H.L. Hunt's boy. But when they got there, the Kennedys were picked at the convention. Yeah, they worked the Chicago system. Right. But H.L. Hunt made sure Johnson was put behind. I mean, LBJ was put behind Kennedy.

1:47:16 Yes. As vice president. Yeah, perfect. Right. And then they go on to steal the election from Prescott Bush's boy Nixon through the Chicago steal. Yeah. So they had two sides no matter what. Right. Which that got the ball rolling on Kennedy, which Hunt didn't like Kennedy and Prescott Bush was mad because they stole the election from Nixon. Yeah. JFK had enemies on both sides.

1:47:57 Yeah. I just want to clear it. And that's why I say it gets sticky because it's like, you know, this is why you can't do the teams thing. Oh, this team, that team. No, it's very, it's kind of like game politics. The owners, the owners. And it's just like. gang politics. You have Crips that beef with Crips, you know, and they might go hire blood to kill somebody from that Crip set so they don't call. Yeah, so it's the same mentality. They're all gangsters. Amazing. They're all gangsters. So where this is from, you want to watch the whole thing. This is from Dart Legacy, the documentary.

1:48:37 Let's go in and get into 24C. It's taken me 40 years to develop this perspective, but at this point, I really view the Kennedy assassination as a continuation of World War II. Remember, the American Nazis didn't lose the war. They won. Then they tricked Truman into giving them complete control of the CIA. They were able to work around Eisenhower, but Nixon was their boy. He was supposed to have won the election in 1960, not Kennedy. He would have led a massive invasion of Cuba at the Bay of Pigs, and he would have had 100,000 troops in Vietnam by 1963.

1:49:13 But Kennedy was ruining all of that. Well, hell, since World War II, these Nazis had already killed our Benz, the Democratically elected president of Guatemala, Patrice Lumumba, the Democratically elected president of Congo, and Mossadegh, the Democratically elected president of Iran. Killing that stinking Irishman, Kennedy, would just be natural, wouldn't it? The chickens coming home to roost, right? What do you think? Makes sense? Well, I think it gives us some of the background necessary for a genuinely deep understanding of who killed John Kennedy. Wow. I have not seen this documentary. Oh, this is old YouTube. Like, this is old, old YouTube before they came in with the censorship.

1:49:58 This is the kind of stuff you used to confound on YouTube, which thank God for BitChute. Right. BitShoot is a necessary repository of you. Yeah, you can find anything there that was on old YouTube. Anything you want to add? I mean, like, I'm good. Are we current? I see the parallel. Yeah. Yeah. What do you mean, are we current? I mean, like, to, like you said, the parallel. Oh, completely. Completely. We got the stolen election. Now we got Trump. Now, Trump is, you know, he's not going to invade Cuba. In fact, it's going to pull out of Cuba, i.e.

1:50:40 Ukraine. All kinds of problems. All kinds of problems. Yeah. 24D. It will probably surprise you to learn that very early on, many key people knew that the CIA, through its Cuban and Mafia operatives, had killed the president. It was not a very well-kept secret. Just one example is that Pulitzer Prize-winning reporter, Haynes Johnson, says that he was in the room when Robert Kennedy, on the afternoon of the murder, blamed the assassination on the CIA and their anti-Castro Cubans. And there's reason to think that Hoover also knew most of the details of the assassination even before it happened.

1:51:23 In 1960, three years before the assassination, Hoover himself wrote a memo about Lee Harvey Oswald's involvement with the CIA. Three years before the assassination, Oswald was on Hoover's personal radar as being CIA involved. Just amazing. And apparently, just the beginning of a long and beautiful relationship between Hoover and Oswald. You see, at the opening session of the Warren Commission's official investigation into the Kennedy assassination, this man, the Attorney General of the state of Texas, Wagoner Carr, calls up the commissioners and says he thinks y'all ought to know your boy Lee Oswald was working for the FBI on the payroll, getting $200

1:52:08 a month with the ID number S179. The commissioners decided not to even ask Hoover about it. Why? My guess is they were scared to death he might admit his relationship with Oswald. And there's powerful evidence that Oswald was working for the FBI, spying for them on the CIA. Yeah. Yeah. What a mess. What a mess. A mess indeed. A mess indeed. And you think you're going to solve this in a weekend? This whole Trump situation. People, I got it. Yeah. I figured it out. Yeah. Water tower. Yeah, I got it. No. Cheney. Cheney. Cheney man. No, no, it's so much.

1:52:53 But what the common denominator here is how, you know, we live in spite. I've said this on no agenda. We live in like this fantasy world of West Wing, you know, Clancy novels. You know, Harrison Ford is our. our president. And when you see how sloppy this was, and now, you know, although, and, you know, and this is my prayer is that the hand of God was in this. Man, they really, I mean, it almost looks like with Trump, they wanted people to go nuts. We want conspiracies. We want people to be looking all over the place and running around like their heads are cut off.

1:53:38 Well, and I just thought about this just now. You're getting a fresh thought. If that would have went terrible, then you have Mayhem. Oh, and you know what? And if you have mayhem, you know what's really cool? Why don't you bring all the computers down? That? Think about that. And then you get the cancel election. Yep. Then you got Joe Biden stepping down to the side. And here she comes. Yep. Yeah. Because it's clear as day.

1:54:19 I don't know who, but somebody, there was two, the order of operation. I'm telling you that. The sequential order is just too weird. No, the early election, which was to show that Joe Biden was a vegetable. So we all got that. Then you want to take out Trump before the RNC. And then, you know, as because we would have had people running around with AR-15s everywhere, certainly here in Hill Country. Right. People would have been going crazy. And then that crowd strike glitch. No, no, no, no, no. I think it would have been similar to when MLK was assassinated. Yeah, but with the orange version.

1:54:59 Yes, the orange version and with the orange version with the blue screen. Trust me. It would have been crazy. People would have been, here it is, Deep State, central bank digital currency. We're all going to die. It would have been total, total mayhem for weeks, if not months. There's your election issue. And now, now it's a different ballgame. It's a little different now. I still say they sent their message to Trump. Oh, no. Message received. Yeah. He can be, I know he has to keep the facade up, but when you duck something like that.

1:55:44 Yeah. Just from what we're hearing, who do you trust? Did you, I don't know if you heard about this. The Nessen Dorma that he played as the very last song? No, I didn't hear that. Okay. It's the classical song. Did you watch the, did you watch the whole thing? No. Actually, I got to be honest with I fell asleep. Like during it, during it, because it was just. Okay. So the energy wasn't there. Understandably so. Understandably so. So the song Nessem Dorm. I'll just play the end, then you'll remember this song.

1:56:30 Is that Godfather? What's that? Is that Godfather? Well, yes, but no, it's not Godfather. This is actually, this is Pavarotti, but it comes from another movie. So you know the song, right? You've heard this song in your life. Yeah. Okay. So that song, there was a movie called Sum of All Fears. And in it, the whole plot of this movie is the Russians, they drop a nuke on a U.S. city. And anyway, so long story, but at the end,

1:57:08 the president of America and the president of Russia are signing a peace treaty. But there's this subplot where they tried to take out, they tried to take out the U.S. president. And so at the end of this movie, while this song is playing, they're signing, you know, there's a whole pompous thing about signing this peace treaty. But then the president's hit squad, you see them going out killing every single one of the people who was involved in that plot to kill the president. And they're blowing a guy up. They're slitting someone's throat. Another one, they're hounding through the snow woods and they shoot him in the head. I mean, and a lot of people, and I would include myself, think that that was Trump's message back saying, I got you.

1:57:53 Not to the true people who want this, but to the people who executed it. So there's a lot of. There's a lot of things at play here. I would like to point one more thing that we discussed in this show is when Reagan got shot. Remember, he was held up with Nancy. Yeah. And he only would call her psychic. Her perception. Because he was kind of losing his marbles there, too. Right. I mean, you're shot. I mean, like, when you're shot and you don't supposed to get shot, it's people's jobs to make sure, you know, you can't, you start to look over your shoulder.

1:58:39 I mean, in a movie called Pain in Fool, once Ace Boogie got shot, he didn't want to do it no more. And I could easily see Trump like, ah, I mean, he has to do it. But I can see, like, man, this ain't worth it. I mean, because like you look, I mean, I did see his granddaughter speech and stuff. Yeah. You start putting stuff in perspective. Like, well, is that really worth it? That's why I think he was leaving outs, you know, it's like, hey, don't worry about it. You military guys, you're going to get your money. We'll figure that part out. I think he wants to play ball. All right. So look, he's been able to do it. He's been able to do it in New York for decades.

1:59:17 So he's been able to figure it out. I mean, you can't operate in New York without the mob. You know, the mob, he's got agreements. He's got some, he's got some stuff. Maybe that's the specialty of him. Yeah, he's going to have to bring his own guys in. I mean, that's what I mean. Oh, yeah. Yeah, no doubt. At this point, he's going to have to bring his own guys in because as we heard throughout this show, it's so just confusing. Who do you trust? There's double, triple, quadruple crosses. Well, that's why I think he brought in J.D. Vance because J.D. Vance is clearly connected to intelligence through Peter.

1:59:57 So bring the guy into the office next to you. I'm going to be honest as a Southerner, I don't like J.D. Vance. I just got to keep him. Yeah, not a lot of people like him. For my reason is just this whole JD thing. It's very, it's very. What's the word I'm looking for? It's like, it's stereotypical. It's like, what president goes by JD? I mean, I get it. I mean, I get what he's doing. It's kind of like Barack going by Barack instead of Barry. I mean, if he's Barry Obama. Well, he actually changed his last name. He changed the, I think the D stood for David or something.

2:00:42 I mean, he's changed a lot of stuff. So there's some manufacturing going on there. Right, right. So, I mean, that's all. I mean, that's just my personal gripe. But let's get back to H.L. Hunt. Oh, wait, there's a 10-year kill. Yeah. 25. Back in the 1960s, Hunt employed a young lawyer named John Currington to be his right-hand man. What might be called a fixer today? Currington is still alive, still an attorney in the state of Texas, and he is also a rancher who, at age 93, still rides a horse and presides over cattle. And he has come forward to share with us his memories of things he witnessed and things he did while in the employ of H.L.

2:01:24 Hunt, and particularly those relating to the murder of Martin Luther King. Currington was an East Texas country boy. He had a quick mind and did well at SMU where he got his law degree. He served in Korea during the war, where he said it was so cold that the socks froze to his feet. When Currington got out of the army, he took his first ever paying job at the Hunt Oil Company, keeping track of the oil leases that were presiding over a river of money. He had been on the job a couple of years when he received a message that Mr. Hunt wanted to see him. Mr. Hunt. Mr. Hunt will see a lot of things.

2:02:08 So before we get into Currington, who he is, I trust him. His word, because coming from where you come from, going back to the Southern thing again, your word means a lot. And it's maybe a regional thing, but when you're from the South, your word is all you got. You know, that kind of thing. And for what you're about to hear next, yeah, it's amazing that I would think he would be lying because I think he would be, it's not because you're Southern, but when you get ostracized in like tight-knit communities like that, when your name gets sullied up, you know,

2:02:51 it's a little different than being in the city. So number 26. Well, hello. My name is Mitch. Mitchell Whittington, and I'm really, really happy today to be sitting next to my friend John Currington. We're going to talk a little bit about H.L. Hunt and his possible connections to the death of John F. Kennedy, Martin Luther King, Robert Kennedy, and Jimmy Hoffa. I do want to tell everybody that I think the thing that first caught my attention when John Furry first called me was the fact that there was one person, Mr.

2:03:29 Hunt, H.L. Hunt, that had ties to all four of these murders. And John, I don't think I've ever seen one person tied to all four of these. Have you? No, I have not. No, I haven't either. So that just makes your story incredible to me. And in fact, it's not just that, but also the fact that you lived this. I mean, this was your job. No, I've not told enough this story. For H.L. Hunt not to be named. And what I mean in conspiracy theory series, conspiracy theory circles. Not in just general, you know. Right. No, they usually stop at Bush.

2:04:13 Right. I mean, that's that's people going, you know, deep. Yeah. Oh, Bush, you know, Zebato Oil and that kind of thing. Like, that's the, that's for the real conspiracy theories. But H.L. Hunt, nope, nobody. And there's another name to add to his list. But we're going to get there, but let's go ahead and do 27 right quick. Was Martin Luther King ever the subject of this lifeline program? I believe that, and looking backwards, that Martin Luther King probably had more derogatory Wi-Fi programs than any other person there. And Jay Edgar Hoover and Mr. Hunt was in contact on a

2:04:54 not on a day-to-day basis, but on a need-to basis. And most of them, not most of it, but a lot of the material on Lifeline was furnished to us through J. Edgar Hoover. And it was very anti-Martin Luther King. And Mr. Hunt and Hoover and Linda Johnson all thought that Martin Luther King was being supported by the Communist Party and all his income and information that he was able to get came through the Communist Party. Wow, the parallels with Black Lives Matter are pretty amazing.

2:05:36 And just to go about who's black and who's not black, including Hoover. J. Edgar Hoover is a so-called black man. But I believe that's what they really held over his head. Because when you look into the gay rumors, he lived right on the same street as his number two, who was also his lover. They rode to work every day. They ate dinner every night. I mean, like, what was the, like, what was the secret about that? But if you go back and listen to the older shows, they went and cleaned his file up and removed everything that could link him to being black.

2:06:20 And they went to talk to his black family and said, you don't talk about this. So I think that was the real leverage that was held over Hoover. Hoover used Hunt. Hunt uses radio stations to pump out things about King. King is backed up by the communists in the Tennessee school. I mean, it's so crazy. It's so crazy with all what was going on, but there's more. But before we do that, there's more. I like brand new money. I just, I don't want any money around me. I'd almost rather have a new one than an old 20. That's kind of dumb.

2:12:29 young ladies as I could. Go down to the Dallas office and call every Lifeline radio station, which was over 600 stations, and ask them to not play a Martin Luther King program that was scheduled within the next 24 or 36 hours. hours, which we did there. But right after the assassination, Mr. Hunt began to receive more threats from people who believed that he had an influence in the shooting of Martin Luther King. His home was out on Lothar Drive there in Dallas or Forever Rachel State.

2:13:14 But he was receiving almost a continuous flow of telephone calls, which were anti-Hun and pro-Martin Luther King. There were shots even being fired over the top of his house. Wow. Yeah. Not that big a secret. But it's hidden in history. Yes. They were taking shots at his house. Amazing. Amazing indeed. So now we go back to the MLK Tapes podcast. And this is the 125 reasons for you to take responsibility for the MLK murder.

2:13:56 When Hoover invited Hunt to come to Washington right after King had been killed, it allowed for more private and personal conversations than either man was willing to have on the phone. Currington wasn't privy to any of that. I have no worthy idea of what they talked about, but I believe that J. Edgar Hoover, H.L. Hunt, and Linda Johnson were putting themselves into a holding pattern where if anything did surface that would suggest they had advanced knowledge of this, they wanted to have as clean a path as possible. Of course, a totally clean path was hard to be certain of because the alleged killer of Dr. King had not been captured, and no one could be sure what he might reveal once he was, assuming he was captured alive.

2:14:41 At that time, H.L. Hunt and Joe Civillo, the powerful mafia boss, both lived in Dallas. The two men were not what you would call friends, but they shared a respect, stayed out of each other's business, and once in a while might meet at Cevillo's place out at the airport, where according to Currington, Cevillo might offer a short lesson on how to get away with murder. Civilos, in comments to Mr. Hunt, told him that, you know, hiring somebody to kill someone was no problem at all. But immediately after that killing was done, you either had to, one, destroy the person who did the killing, or if the man got indicted, you had to make arrangements that that man plead guilty so he could not testify in open court as to what he knew or did not know on a particular crime there.

2:15:31 Gotta get rid of the assassin with Jack Ruby and Oswald as well. Same thing. Well, they didn't go with the option one. They went with the option two, 125,000 reasons. Mr. Hunt called Percy Foreman one day, and he told Mr. Foreman that he had a young lawyer in his office that had come up with a lot of ideas as to why James Roll Ray should enter a guilty plea in the killing of Martin Luther King. And the young lawyer was myself and he asked if I came to Houston, would Percy Foreman visit with me and go over the theories that I had jotted down?

2:16:15 And Percy Foreman agreed to do that. I left the next morning. Currington made the quick flight from Dallas to Houston, took the cab from the airport, and arrived at Foreman's office. He was not empty-handed. I had a briefcase with $125,000 cash in it. Mr. Foreman and I probably exchanged a few presents for two or three minutes, and I just simply stated to him that I jotted down 125,000 reasons why James Royal Ray should plead guilty to killing Martin Luther King and would like to leave those reasons with him. And Percy Foreman, without any comment, said just leave your briefcase.

2:16:58 That was the extent of our conversation. Wow. Wow. Cheap. Yeah, cheap, cheap, by the way. Cheap by price standards. And nobody really talks about this. I'd never heard it. Never. Well, as promised, there's more. Yes, I heard that. There was one more name on that list that was not mentioned before between Hoffa, JFK, RFK, and MLK. Here's Malcolm X and H.L. Hunt's connection to Elijah Muhammad. And I guess many of you have heard it said that his financial support comes from the rich man in Texas.

2:17:41 I heard that while I was in the movement, I've heard it more since I. I left the movement. A rich man in Texas. You can look up any of you can look up his name. But the FBI knows that too. But they still don't touch him. And never have I seen a man. And this rich man who lived in Texas, by the way, lives in Dallas. His headquarters in Dallas. His money is in Dallas. The same cities where President John F. Kennedy was assassinated. And never have I seen a man in my life more afraid, more frightened than Elijah Mohammed was when John F.

2:18:22 Kennedy was assassinated. I've never in my life seen a man as frightened as he was. And when I made the statement that I did, well, he almost cramped up behind it because there were all kinds of implications to it that at that time were way above and beyond my understanding. Okay, a couple things. One, I think Hunt, didn't he support Nation of Islam? Yes, he was their biggest benefactor. Yeah. Two, man. Does that sound like Eddie Murphy or what? Seriously, the cadence, everything. You know how Eddie Murphy can have kind of that particular accent?

2:19:04 Yeah. Sounds a lot like him. Now, what he's talking about, I got to fill in some blanks. When MLK was, I mean, excuse me, when Malcolm X was asked about the JFK assassination, he said it's like chickens coming home to roost. That was his statement. Elijah Muhammad silenced him from speaking publicly after that. Oh, really? Because as Malcolm X said, if you start following, if you say, oh, let's look into Malcolm X, then you look into Melijah Muhammad, then you look into H.L. Hunt. You see the connections. You might find somebody.

2:19:48 And that was the riff. That's what started. That was the beginning of the end with Malcolm X and H.L. Hunt. I mean, I mean, Malcolm X and Elijah Muhammad. Because he was silenced. Then comes the rumors of the young girls. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Through media outlets, no doubt controlled by Hunt. Oh, yeah. They actually came and got the FBI came to him, Malcolm X, him being Malcolm X, and tried to get him to rap. And there's video of him being questioned, which I find strange. Like, there's video because you can use the video to say, oh, he's talking to the FBI.

2:20:26 Right. Wow. But Malcolm X in his next clip goes even further to talk about the connection between H.L. Hunt and the NOI. I mentioned the conspiracy between the Muslims and the right wing in this country. I know for a fact that there is a conspiracy between Muslims and the Lincoln Rockwell Nazi and also the Ku Klux Klan. There is a conspiracy. Despite this conspiracy, well, the Ku Klux Klan made a deal or were trying to make a deal with Elijah Mohammed in 1960 in the home of Jeremiah X, the minister in Atlanta at that time, who was president, the minister in Philadelphia.

2:21:08 They were trying to make a deal with him to make available to Elijah Mohammed a county, a size tract of land in Georgia or South Carolina where Elijah Mohammed could then induce Negroes to migrate and make it appear that his program of a segregated state or separated state was feasible. And to what extent these negotiations finally developed, I do not know because I was not involved in them beyond the period of December 1960. But I do know that after that, Jeremiah, who was the minister throughout the South, could roam the entire South and the Klan not bother him in any way, shape, or form, nor would they bother any of the black Muslims from then on, nor would the black Muslims bother the Klan.

2:21:52 Are you inferring then that because of this conspiracy, the attack was made upon your life? Are you inferring that because of this conspiracy, the attack was made on your life? Not necessarily that conspiracy. The attempt was made upon my life because I speak my mind and I know too much and they know that I was speaking whether they like it or not. Yeah. So H.L. Hunt was a big, they had to draw some put some thread between that. H.L. Hunt was a big contributor to the KKK as well. So here you have this guy playing both sides. Both sides. That's right. You got one side, the KKK, and then you have, and the NOI, as I started off the whole show with, with the slur, white devil, that's most known.

2:22:39 known. Go back to the NOI and Malcolm X and Farrakhan. So now you got a white man and HL Hunt, a white, alleged white supremacist at H.L. Hunt, who has possibly the blood of two of the biggest black leaders in American history on his hands. And at the same time, he's funding the narrative and the propaganda of the white man being the devil. Yeah, that's what you want to do. That's crazy. That is crazy. And the fact that nobody talks about this.

2:23:18 Nobody. And once again, they stop at Farrakhan. They say Farrakhan had Malcolm X knocked off. That's the narrative. Oh, yeah. Well, you got to put it somewhere. Right. So, just going into the propaganda that Farrakhan pushes about the white devil. I'm not going to go full you coop, you know what I'm saying? All of that, how the white man was allegedly created. I'm not doing that because what he does here, and this is why I like what Neely Fuller does. He separates white people from white supremacists because white supremacy is a choice.

2:23:57 It's a choice. And if you didn't do that, then you'd be just worse off. You know what I'm saying? Oh, you born, you're born that way. It becomes reverse racism. Right. Right? Listen, what Farrakhan says and think if it wasn't for H.L. Hunt's money, none of this would be global. This message wouldn't be global. And if you look at that white man, he's a lion thing and a murderous human being. There is no human being on earth that has murdered more living things than the Caucasian. He's a murderer and a liar. Take it or leave it, brother.

2:24:41 You cannot accept Dark Ruper. So God is ending your world. And the only way, white folks, you can come out of this because you cannot be reformed. You cannot reform a devil. All the prophets tried and failed. You have to kill the devil. What are you saying, Farrakhan? Brought to you by H.L. Hunt's money. Yes. Oh,

2:25:23 one more thing before we go away from H.L. Hunt. You know who H.L. Hunt's family is? Please do tell me. Casey Hunt? No, the owner of the Kansas. You were close. The owner of the Kansas City Chiefs. Oh, right. Wasn't he involved in the starting of the whole NFL? Ah, the AFL. Right. So Kansas City Chiefs. How about that? Kansas Chity Chiefs, Taylor Swift. Taylor Swift. Yeah. That whole Taylor Swift and Kelsey thing was a parading of white supremacy.

2:26:08 Not only that, but white relationships, white, it was the peak. Whiteness. Whiteness. But it was more about the dating mating ritual. Yes. That's what I'm looking for. I got to be careful if I say this. A strapping, athletic all-American mo. Yeah. Well, it's about Herculean, though. This big

2:26:46 large, strong white specimen procreating with this blonde, stereotypical, beauty, fair, you know what I'm saying, white woman. That's why that thing was paraded like it was. Interesting. Don't get it twisted. But what was she confused, though? Worshiping the devil. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Witchcraft, baby. And here's the thing. She's allegedly Jewish. Oh, really? Yeah. Could be. No, I'm just saying. Hey, you know, if I say something, I got that. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. You got research.

2:27:24 I've done the education as Kanye said. I did the education. But that goes to show you we can make who we want to be white when we want to become white. Of course. How is it, you know, saying they present it that way? Well, I'm just showing you that this thing goes super deep. And it's all about causing confusion because that's what the devil does: steal, kill, and destroy. That's what he did. He's the author of the confusion. And I don't want, and this is just me, my personal belief. I don't think it's genetic because, like I said, we got to be careful when we do that because we become what we're trying to destroy.

2:28:05 I think we don't wrestle against flesh and blood. I think we wrestle against principalities on high. What does that mean? Darkness. Exactly. And we're going to talk to the devil. We're going to hear from the devil himself later. But let's go ahead and finish up with Farrakhan first. Did you give him our number? Or what did you do? I got connections. Why does Muhammad and any Muslim murder the devil? Because he's 100% wicked and will not keep and obey the laws of Islam. He's a snake of the graft type.

2:28:50 Yes, sir. And if he's allowed to live, you'll sting someone else. It is not the color of the white man that's the problem. It's the mind of the white man that's the problem. The color can live on forever if God wants it to be so. But the mind of white supremacy has to be destroyed. Whoa, okay. And that's why I said it's sloppy how he does it. Not hey, look, don't, don't, don't kill me. Well, I mean, what I mean by that is when you conflate white with white supremacy.

2:29:31 Yeah, that's it gets very, it gets very, what it does is lose a potency. And this is why I had to keep, and people are like, why are you on photo? Why are you on? Because it's less confusing when you lay out how he does. And it's more effective. And it actually goes to solve the problem. What we're trying to do is bring in a system of justice where nobody's mistreated and everybody gets the help that they're needed. How can you go wrong with that? But no, I'm going to be honest with you. White supremacy is a death cult. Oh, for sure. They are hell. And if I said, you know what, the funny thing is, if I said lizard people, if I said, if I put any other.

2:30:12 This is easier to understand or not as polarizing. Right. Which is why the name is there. Exactly. That's exactly right. If I said any other turn, we had a problem. But the way, the reason why I call him a deaf cult is every time something is created, it's somebody that stands up in that room and said, how can we use it to kill people? Yeah. Nuclear energy. Somebody, here's free, cheap energy. You know what I'm saying? Let's kill people. Right. Somebody stands up in the back of the room. It's always that shadowy figure. You know what I'm saying? The steps forward. It's like, but how can we kill people with it? Yeah. And the reason why is we're going to get when we talk to the devil, he's going to explain to you why.

2:30:57 But I'm just saying, that's what it's not. It's not how can we use they should have the reputation of when we come here, just to go back to the, you know, saying 1493, when we came to America, them, we brought our technology and we brought our whatever and created better with the Indians. When we go around the world, we bring, you know what I'm saying? Like we should bring, and the thing is, as an American, now that's on my face card as well. You know what I'm saying? Because we get tagged with that, like, you Americans, you Americans, you know, that kind of thing.

2:31:38 It's like, when we go places, do we make it better or worse? If you live in sandy desert areas, probably a lot worse. Yeah, I mean, wherever. I mean, like, whether it's animals, wherever it is, we, it's, and you know what? We, an inclusive, we fund that by our lust for things. Yeah. No, nobody cares. It's a little small child in China. I know I'm on a soapbox here, but just bear with me. Nobody cares about the little small child in China that can get his fingers cut off, signs, so-and-so together, some Nike shoes. No, even better. How about the little black kid in Africa digging with his hands for lithium and

2:32:21 other stuff? Save the planet. For who? Just think about that. You're trying to save the planet. Or who? who? His planet is ruined. His existence is ruined. So I'm just, I'm just, I'm sorry. I mean, I'm, but it's just like we have to look at ourselves. We're part of the problem. We're complicit. Yeah. All we have to do is stop. Right. Good luck. 36. Not that the white man can't survive and make it into the hereafter. He can. But he's got to die. Here. Points this here. Mohammed and any Muslim will murder the devil.

2:33:08 Don't stop right there, Farrakhan. Don't you send these children out here with the thought of murder in their mind? Oh, yes, I am. It's putting to death time today. You know how mommy said when it's time to sleep? You've been raising hell all day. Betty, bye-bye. Time to go bye-bye. Time to go to sleep. When it's time for the white man's mind to be put to eternal rest. See, that's not at all controversial. Now, exactly.

2:33:49 Like, could be where, but I know it's incendiary. It's incendiary. Yeah, thank you. On purpose. I mean, that's how you make headlines. I mean, we're all guilty of it in the content space, right? Yes. We want a spicy tweet. We want a spicy headline. We're all guilty of it. We're all guilty, but it's brought to you by the funds of one of the richest men in American history, H.L. Hunt. That's the one that kept the ball rolling for them. And what does it end up with? The following clips is from Mr. Shaheed Bolson, a quote-unquote white man

2:34:34 who has converted to Islam. 37. Anyone's freedom anywhere is a threat to your supremacy everywhere. You reserve the right to be brutal and vicious as a God-given entitlement. It's a truth that you hold to be self-evident. Every generation in the West always says that they're different. They always say that they've changed, that they're not like their forefathers. Maybe you're a Westerner now and you're horrified by the things that your society did in the past, but you're doing the same things now and it doesn't horrify you.

2:35:13 You know, you can see all those old pictures of people having picnics with their families in the American South having sandwiches under the swinging bodies of black people who they just lynched. This generation, you see those pictures and you're bewildered at how human beings could be so brutal. But right now, tonight, you're sitting in front of the television watching CNN and eating pizza, watching a genocide take place in Gaza. Well, you're no better than the generations before you. That's right. Now, Mr. Shaheed Bolson, as I said, he's a so-called white man. But he mimics, and I'm surprised you didn't catch it. He mimics the

2:35:54 gestures and even speaking pattern of Malcolm X. Oh, okay. Yeah, I should have caught that. Your so-called civilization is toxic. You're gaslit. You're lied to. You're misled. You're miseducated, indoctrinated, and intellectually subjugated with shameless and relentless ferocity. Morning, noon, and night. Sickness is health. Health is sickness. Conformity is freedom. Oligarchy is democracy. Despotism is justice. On and on. Your moral compass is a pinwheel where true North is Netflix and chilled. Or whatever. Whatever will help numb your conscience from the contradictions and the hypocrisy and the degeneracy and the emptiness of your life.

2:36:39 Because meaning and purpose and value have been robbed from you by your so-called civilization. Because you can barely find anything that you were taught to believe that your country stands for that isn't the complete opposite of what your country actually does. Yeah, universally true around the world. Absolutely. So we're at 38. Did you hear that? Did you pick up on the case? Oh, yeah. Oh, definitely. He's setting the Muslim world on fire. So, what my point is, HL Hunt pushed that ball, and this snowball is picking up speed. Now it's like, is that intentional? Are they trying to get the Muslim world

2:37:22 turned up so they can? could call so they can have war again. I mean, I don't, I can't figure this guy out. I'm not going to disperse his lane. I would say there's evidence for that. We have a re-emergence of ISIS, Islamist State. We have, you know, these the branding is coming back. Yeah. So it's possible. Do we have a 39? We do. Okay. 39. What this is, is it's just a term. They're always trying to re-label the system. Whether it's, you know, the Western establishment, this is the newest term coming out of Australia. It's a word I hadn't heard until a viewer, a Credland viewer, nominated it. Control agarch.

2:38:06 Control agarchs are celebrities or corporations that try to tell everyone else what to do. The word was only coined in 2023, but when one of your viewers put it onto the list to be voted for, the votes came flooding in. So it came second. Australians don't like being told what to do. Other words on the short list were things like voice, misinformation, diversity, colonization, and midwit. A midwit is someone who is one step above a nitwit. And sadly, some viewers, I have to say, said they thought that covered a lot of politicians. They're a bit unkind, but there you are. No, I don't think they are. I've met a few midwits in my time.

2:38:51 Oh, that's interesting. I would say that I'll add another term to that, which is controlled opportunists. And this is literally your Candace Owens, your Tucker Carlson, Ben Shapiro. They don't even know it, but they're propagating this stuff. Yeah, and they're allowed. They're allowed to encourage. Because you think about it, YouTube easily censor them, shadow ban, you know, that kind of thing. It's let's pump them so that they fuel the outrage. And they take away, and honestly, they take away from what the real problem is. It's a distraction. So who is the H.L. Hunt of our day?

2:39:39 Who carries the legacy forward? I think it's Elon, to be honest with you. Not the wet work, you know what I'm saying? Not that side of it, but the cowboy, the counterbalance to the, oh man, you got a good point there. Yeah, the counterbalance to the Yankee. Yeah. You know, and but like they said, HL Hunt, they have a lot of money, but they don't have the structure. The Yankees, Yankee structure is so ingrained, you know, into the whole system. Like, it's hard to Elon has the equivalent of 600 radio stations.

2:40:24 Yeah, Twitter. I mean, that's, yeah, that was it. That's his great point. That's his network. What was it called? Mainline? What was Lifeline? Lifeline, yeah. That's his lifeline right there. And I'm telling you, if anything wins Kamala Harris, the election is going to be X, but not in the way you think. No, I believe you. I think you're right. It's going to radicalize. And I see it now. Massey, I think the lady named the one that got, excuse me for not remembering earlier, the one that got shot in Chicago by the police officer. There's no way you can counter that argument, but yet instead, are they bots?

2:41:06 Maybe. Good part on probably are. But what that does is that radicalizes. And then, like I said before, look at the Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese thing. I don't know if you're aware of it. Yes, of course. The S Moe, even that reached me. Yes. That's my point. Sports ball. Women's sports ball. I mean, not to say that about women. Well, I mean, like, the WNBA was on life support. Yeah. But you inject race into it. Boom. You're good to go. It's selling out. I mean, they knew that because it's how the NBA got its thought. I mean, like, it's modern start with Larry Bird and Maddie Johnson.

2:41:49 But yes. But yeah, I think Elon is the new HL Hunt. And I think his nemesis is Bill Gates. And I think there's going to be an open AI. I mean, that's the, you know, this whole open AI thing. I think Bill, just so we can catch up on a little thing before we move forward and the controller guard land, I think Bill Gates is trying to take over Apple. And the way he's doing it, because he had the big beef with Steve Jobs. Yeah. The way he's doing. doing his open AI, you see, Open AI is giving what? Siri. You know what I'm saying? They turn over basically Siri to open Open AI.

2:42:28 I think that's his back door. I think OpenAI has always been a Microsoft company. Yes. So, yeah, I think those are our two. Those are Rockefeller and H.L. Hunt of modern day. Those two right there. Wow. Yeah. Just my quick analysis. I mean, yeah, that's very possible. They both kind of want the same thing, though, but they're just competing. It's method. That's the only thing they're different is method. But with that said, as promised, we're going to hear from the devil himself, Sir Lucifer.

2:43:11 This is from the book, Napoleon Hill Interview with the Devil. And the story behind this is he, I think he went to a trance or something. He was at a low point his life, Napoleon Hill, and for full transparency, he was a Rockefeller favorite Rockefeller. Just, I got to put that out there just for, you know, saying full transparency. Because, and when you listen to this, there is some Rockefeller propaganda in this. But I think it's the closest thing you probably can hear largely from the devil. Here's 40. You should know I control 98% of the people of your world.

2:43:50 Do you not think that entitles me to rate as royalty? Start by telling me where you live, then describe your physical appearance. My physical appearance. Why, my dear Mr. Earthbound, I have no physical body. I would be handicapped by such an encumbrance as those in which you earthbound creatures live. I consist of negative energy, and I live in the minds of people who fear me. So you have the universe divided up with God. Is that your claim? Not my claim, but the actual fact. Before this interview is finished, you will understand why my claim is true. You will also understand why it has to be true, or there could be no world such as yours, no earthbound creatures such as you.

2:44:33 I am no beast with a forked tongue and a spiked tail. But you do control the minds of 98 out of every 100 people. You said so yourself. Who causes all the misery in this 98% devil-controlled world if you do not? I have not said that I do not cause all the misery of the world. On the other hand, I boast of it. It is my business to represent the negative side of everything, including the thoughts of you earthbound people. How else could I control people? My opposition controls positive thought. I control negative thought. How do you gain control of the minds of people? Oh, that is easy. I merely move in and occupy the unused space of the human brain.

2:45:15 I sow the seeds of negative thought in the minds of people so I can occupy and control the space. So this was a book, right? This is an audio book. Yes, it's the audio book. Yes. Yeah, this is. Oh, man. This is exactly all the stuff I've learned in the past in the past two years coming to Christ. It's like, yep, this sounds pretty much spot on to me. It checked out for me as well. And as always, we don't leave people on a negative. It's going to be some help in here at the end, but we have to hear the devil spiel for

2:45:54 how he actually works. You must have many tricks and devices by which you gain and hold control of the human mind. To be sure, I employ tricks and devices to control human thought. My devices are clever ones, too. Go ahead and describe your clever tricks, Your Majesty. One of my cleverest devices for mind control is fear. I plant the seed of fear in the minds of people, and as these seeds germinate and grow, through use, I control the space they occupy. The six most effective fears are the fear of poverty, criticism, ill health, loss of love, old age, and death.

2:46:35 Which of these six fears serves you most often, Your Majesty? The first and the last, poverty and death. At one time or another during life, I tighten my grip on all people through one or both of these. I plant these fears in the minds of people so deftly that they believe them to be their own creation. I accomplish this end by making people believe I am standing just beyond the entrance gate of the next life, waiting to claim them after death for eternal punishment. Of course, I cannot punish anyone, except in that person's own mind, through some form of fear. But fear of the thing which does not exist is just as useful to me as fear of that.

2:47:14 that which does exist. All forms of fear extend the space I occupy in the human mind. Oh man, we should have played the trigger warning before this, too. This is why you said, no, because it blotted people, this will trigger people. And I think this is the root of all evil of this system, the system white supremacy. It's the fear. Because we talked about that, a fear of racial annihilation, which I said, I can relate to. And what did you say, number two or number three was cancellation, basically. Right. And not even just being non-existent, because I said, as

2:47:56 black Americans, we can understand that. That's why you're getting such a pushback with who identifies as what. Because it's like, hey, we exist. You know, we are our own existence. So in that sense, we can relate to white supremacists in the fact that this is their mindset of white supremacy. If we don't keep everything under check in check and under our control, we'll be wiped out eventually due to race mixing. Right. That's their fear. So they have to use

2:48:32 tactics. Right. They're fueling off this fear. That's why I said that they are humans, but the devil is saying is playing off their fears. So it's like, oh, and you listen to how we operate. We attack and call it defense. And when I say we, like in America, we go abroad and call it defense. Fancy, yes. When we got drones flying over other people's heads night and day, that's defense, though. Why is that? Because if we don't do that and we go to sleep at the wheel, then they'll take control.

2:49:09 Like you said, we don't hear about the Ottoman Empire. We don't hear about any of it. They keep all that under wraps because if people learn about these things, maybe they want to, you know, maybe they might take interest in it. So I understand their fear. It's a rational fear. I get it. But what's irrational is being inhuman to other human beings. That's what I can't get. And that's why I get lost at well. Culture has taught us this, Mo. I mean, that's yeah, we kill what we don't understand. I mean, that's that's that's yes, yes, exactly. We kill every bug. Just think about that.

2:49:46 Only 10% of bugs probably can bite us, but if it's in our house, we kill it. Well, snakes, snakes, and scorpions, I think, is okay. And we'll, I mean, even most snakes are non-poisonous. No, true. Serpents. Yeah, but what do we do? It's our natural instinct. We don't understand it. Fear kicks in. I got to be honest. I actually put them under a glass and I throw them outside. I'm kind of that guy. I let moths out too. But I'm just saying, like, if you catch me off guard, you're that guy too. You know what I'm saying? I've maken it quite a bit. I can catch flies. Yeah. I know how to do it. And then I shake them up so they're a little dazed and I let them go outside.

2:50:28 And like I said, if you catch me off guard, you know what I'm saying? Like, smash. You know what I'm saying? Like, with the flip-flop. But, like, if you, so it's a human response. I get it. But please tell me it's a Gucci flip-flop. No, it's actually a Dida slide. Okay, slide. A slide. A slide. Yeah. Not a thong. Not a thong flip-flop. Let me clear. Let me clear my good name up. No, that's a slide. Not a thong. Thank you. Thank you for doing that. All right. Number three. My greatest weapon over human beings consists of two secret principles by which I gain control of their minds.

2:51:09 I will speak first of the principle of habit through which I silently enter the minds of people. By operating through this principle, I establish, I wish I could avoid using this word, the habit of drifting. When a person begins to drift on any subject, he is headed straight toward the gates of what you earthbound call hell. Describe all the ways in which you induce people to drift. Define the word and tell us exactly what you mean by it. I can best define the word drift by saying that people who think for themselves never drift, while those who do little or no thinking for themselves are drifters. A drifter is one who permits himself to be influenced and controlled by circumstances outside of his own mind.

2:51:52 He would rather let me occupy his mind and do his thinking than go to the trouble of thinking for himself. A drifter is one who accepts whatever life throws in his way without making a protest or putting up a fight. He doesn't know what he wants from life and spends all of his time getting just that. that. A drifter has lots of opinions, but they are not his own. Most of them are supplied by me. A drifter is one who is too lazy mentally to use his own brain. That is the reason I can take control of people's thinking and plant my own ideas in their minds. Oh, Lord. We have so many of them. So many drifters.

2:52:33 And that's why propaganda is so powerful. Yes. Because it captures them that they have that space that he spoke about before that they don't think it's an idle mind. He gets right in, puts some fear, misunderstanding. And this is why I am a huge supporter of the seven habits. Because you nine times out of ten, you can't fear something you understand. What episode was that we did the seven habits? It's been weaved in and out, and we're going to revisit it before we wrap up. Trust me.

2:53:12 Okay. So stay tuned, folks. Stay tuned. But one of them is seek first to understand, then to be understood. This is what this show is built around. I'm seeking to understand you. You're seeking to understand me. We get an understanding. It can't be malice. It's just like, okay, I understand why you got that way. Okay, we can agree to disagree if we disagree. You know, at least it's an understanding there. But yeah, propaganda, man, I see all day, every day, and I see people that I respect is tossed to and fro. Well, not just propaganda, but your advertising, algos, all of this.

2:53:54 All of this is the devil's playground. Yes. Which, if you know what you want to do and do it and do nothing but, once again, what Neely Fuller says, only do constructive things. You don't have time. You don't have time to be propagandized. But that's just my perspective on things. I think we're at 43. Yes, we are. Here we go. My second best trick is not second at all. It is first. It is first because without it, I never could gain control of the minds of the youths. Parents, school teachers, religious instructors, and many other adults unknowingly serve my purpose by helping me to destroy in children the habit of thinking for themselves.

2:54:38 They go about their work in various ways, never suspecting what they are doing to the minds of children or the real cause of the children's mistakes. I can hardly believe you, Your Majesty. I've always believed that children's best friends were those closest to them, their parents, their school teachers, and their religious instructors. Where would children go for dependable guidance if not to those who have charge of them? That is where my cleverness comes in. There is the exact explanation of how I control 98% of the people of the world. I take possession of people during their youth, before they come into possession of their own minds by using those who are in charge of them. Children grow up, but they do not always learn to think for themselves.

2:55:23 Once I capture the mind of a child through fear, I weaken that child's ability to reason and to think for himself. And that weakness goes with the child all through life. I have no foolish limitations of right and wrong. Might is right with me. I use every known human weakness to gain and keep control of the human mind. Oh, man. Now I got to read this book. This is crazy good. Wow. I believe that he, I don't know how he accessed them, but I do believe that you can access them. I mean, you hear celebrities say that all the time. But I just find it fascinating that he gives you the blueprint of how he works.

2:56:07 And in this next clip, he gives 10 reasons. You can stop it after each one. We can discuss. I might even want to make 10 separate clips of how you beat him. Protection against drifting lies within easy reach of every human being who has a normal body and a sound mind. The self-defense can be applied through these simple methods. One, do your own thinking on all occasions. The fact that human beings are given complete control over nothing save the power to think their own thoughts is laden with significance. Do your own research. Think independently. Which, by the way, we were encouraged by the mainstream media. Don't do your own research.

2:56:50 Are you crazy? said Anthony Fauci. It was a slur. It was a slur. A total slur. Total slur. Okay, let's go to number two. Two, decide definitely what you want from life, then create a plan for attaining it, and be willing to sacrifice everything. everything else if necessary rather than accept permanent defeat. Oh, this is also if you want to be successful at anything. By the way, so the reason why this is hitting me so hard is because for two years now, I've been reading my Bible every single day. You know, different days, I might do a needle drop. You know, I do different plans. I've done a million different things, and in all different kinds of versions, this is amazing because every single, the Bible is filled with

2:57:35 defense mechanisms and warnings about these very things. But to go back to the beginning of the show, if your branding is what we talked about, and that's how it's presented by the opposition. Like, that's the book you believe in. Look what was used as support. You know, people will never get to it. And like I said, you choose your own adventure. I mean, like, look, you might not believe in God, but listen to the devil on this one. Number three. Three, analyze temporary defeat, no matter of what nature or cause, and extract from it the seed of an equivalent advantage.

2:58:16 Interesting. You know, my pastor Jimmy, he always says, the enemy always goes too far. He always overshoots the target. And this is a perfect example. He's telling us exactly how to go against them. Perfect example. And I'm going to take it for true that Napoleon Hill actually had some conduit to him. It seems logical. Very logical. Four. Be willing to render useful service equivalent to the value of all material things you demand of life and render the service first. Value for value. Value for value, baby. Right there. Take that, devil.

2:59:01 Get thee behind me, Satan. Five. Recognize that your brain is a receiving set that can be attuned to receive communications from the universal storehouse of infinite intelligence to help you transmute your desires into their physical equivalent. Oh, yes. Yes, yes, yeah. Well, no argument there. I mean, everything's wavelength, everything's frequencies. We are transmitters and receivers both, hands down, no doubt. Six, recognize that your greatest asset is time, the only thing except the power of thought which you own outright, and the one thing which can be shaped into whatever material things you want.

2:59:41 Budget your time so none of it is wasted. Six hours a day on the screen, people. Well, you can, I wouldn't even say don't do six hours on the screen. What are you doing with the six hours? Well, yeah, that's my point, of course. Because, like, honestly, you know what I'm saying? This, the value I bring is my time. I mean, of course, I mean, to this is making sure is constructive. You know, I try to make sure, like, at the end of like this, like the end of this show, don't leave people, you know what I'm saying, gloom and doom.

3:00:22 How do you do that? You know what I'm saying? So you can spend however you want to spend your time, but make sure it's constructive and do it and do an analysis and what is it? Review. Audit. Audit. Yeah, audit. There you go. Audit how you spend your time. Audit. Seven. Recognize the truth that fear generally is a filler with which the devil occupies the unused portion of your mind. Amen. That it is only a state of mind which you can control by filling the space it occupies with faith in your ability to make life provide you with whatever you demand of it. Yeah, that's right out of Anthony Robbins, man. When I

3:01:05 guess, in a way, it was early beginnings of me starting to figure out life. I got the power talk tapes, which came on cassettes. And he had this, the thing that I took away from it was how you feel right now, you can change in an instant. And he'd snap his finger, of course. In an instant, you can change how you feel, happy, sad, fearful, etc. That's always within your power. It's amazing. When you really get into it, it's great. I can be aware of that. But what is these young kids always complain about? Anxiety. Yeah. That's the anxiety leads to what? Anxious. It leads to pills.

3:01:46 Peels. Yes. It creates a loop. You know what I'm saying? Pills create probably insecurities. And then the insecurities, you need more pills. So, yeah. And then you need pills for the side effects. effects of the pills. Right. Yes, you do. Eight. When you pray, do not beg. Demand what you want and insist upon getting exactly that with no substitutes. No, that's an interesting way of putting it. Oh, as you said about you and you younger, I learned this when I was young. Like, I don't go to God mealy mouth. I'm like, I want this.

3:02:26 I want this. I want it, not in them, but in a believable way. Like, you know, and once again, we don't want to have a capture audience about our faith. Whatever you put into the universe, like, believe is going to come back to you. Believe. Honestly. Yeah, well, believe. Yes. I was just reading that this morning. If you pray and you pray to God, and if you don't believe in what you're asking for, then it's just, it's like the sea being tossed around by the wind. You will get nothing. And for the believers out there, just so we can take care of them as well.

3:03:07 One thing I found out is ask once. Ask once believing, but then start thinking. Because when you think for what you ask for, you believe that your art's already on its way. When you ask repetitively, you know what I'm saying? Then you probably don't believe. Like, dad, you're going to take me to the mall. Dad, you're going to take me to the mall. Yeah, you're going to take me to the mall. No, you're not going to the mall. All right. Excellent. Nine. Recognize that life is a cruel taskmaster, and that either you master it or it masters you. There is no halfway or compromising point. Never accept from life anything you do not want.

3:03:47 If that which you do not want is temporarily forced upon you, you can refuse in your own mind to accept it, and it will make way for the thing you do want. Wow, man. Devil is laying it out. Can I make one point here? Yeah. Just one quick point. This is why white supremacy don't affect me. Yeah. Because the only thing it could take from me is my life. And you're not afraid. And I know you. You're not afraid of dying. That's it. That's all you can take. And honestly, when it's my time to go, it's already written. You know what I'm saying? So, yeah. If you had that mindset, then no, you're not my master.

3:04:27 That's probably the biggest thing. You are a master, but you're not my master. Yeah, that's probably the biggest thing for me. I'm not afraid of death. I know where I'm going, so I'm not afraid. That's the biggest one for me. But there's a number 10. 10. Lastly, remember that your dominating thoughts attract through a definite law of nature by the shortest and most convenient route their physical counterpart. Be careful what thoughts you dwell upon. Yeah. So for, I know people are like, 10 things? I got to do 10 things? All right. We'll sum it up real easy for you. 45. That list looks imposing.

3:05:09 Give me a simple formula. Combining all the 10 points. If you had to combine all 10 in one, what would it be? Be definite in everything you do and never leave unfinished thoughts in the mind. Form the habit of reaching definite decisions on all subjects. Wow. Finish one thought before you move to the next. Right. Oh, man. So much work to do, everybody. Yeah. Well, with what's going on in the world, with what's happening right now, I would say we probably have to fight like men on our knees in prayer. Yep. And be prepared to fight other ways if necessary. Exactly.

3:05:53 Yeah. But I don't, like I said, hopefully this helps. I'm glad everybody stayed with it, stay with it. It's a provocative topic, but one that had to be covered. And I appreciate it, Mo. And I can't wait for episode 100 as we close this out. This is going to be dynamite, brother. And as I always say, pay attention to everything, and the truth will reveal itself. Thank you, brother. I'll see you on the next and last episode. All right. See you later, Adam. All right. Take care, everybody. Be good to yourselves and to others.

3:06:46 Don't let him fool you. Don't let the devil fool you. Said again. Don't let him fool you. Listen. Joe was a sick man, had been sick so long. Tell me all the flesh, you know what from it all. Don't let him fool you. Don't let the devil fool you. Don't do it. Don't let him fool you fool you. Say it one more time. Don't let the devil fool you. Don't let it move you. Listen here now.

3:07:33 Joe's wife came to him with the devil in her eyes. She said to Joe, why don't you put your body die? Don't let him do you. Don't let the devil fool you. Don't do it. Don't let him fool you. Say it one more time. Don't let the devil fool you. Let it give him. Don't let it fool you. Don't let it fool you. Don't let it. Don't let it fool you. Don't let him fool you. Don't do it. Don't let it. Whatever you do.

3:08:16 Don't let it. Don't let it fool you. Don't let it. You'll try.