30: School of Thought

00:03 Mo Facts with Adam Curry for March 21st, 2020. This is episode number 30 under lockdown. Pandemic 2020. Hey, Mo, how you doing? I'm doing pretty good, Adam. How about yourself? I'm good. You know, it's kind of weird. This all started about a week ago in the last MoFax. I was number 29. And, you know, for me, much hasn't changed because I kind of live my life at home anyway. So it's not that different for me going out once a day to get something. How about you, though? You got the kids at home. What's going on? How's it in the Fax household? Well, the white privilege has been bestowed upon me.

00:49 I'm working completely from home. I'm working completely from home now. Yes. Yes. You're still on the white team? No, you weren't on the white team. Were you in the yellow team? No, I wasn't. I've been upgraded now. Oh, after a little bit of complaining on the show, all of a sudden we see results, huh? Yes. Here we are. Yeah. And if you don't mind me asking, just how are the kids? Are they going stir crazy? Are they occupied? What are they doing? They're doing pretty good. We're letting them out the house. Going for walks. Oh, even on the leash or in the yard. We're not going to shutter up. We're not going to shutter them in. We are kind of careful around playgrounds. We're not taking them to the playground. But, I mean, being outside, running around, throwing the ball around.

01:34 Are they bored with social media and their phones yet? I've been seeing some of that, and I'm quite delighted by it. Actually, they are. We're down to playing back to playing board games, Uno, Sari, those kind of things. Isn't that interesting? We have the exactly the same. Two of our girls are one, Christina's in Holland, and Ellen's in Chicago. But Elise is in Austin, and she comes over. We play Scrabble. And of course, she's a little bit older, so she's bringing over margaritas. Yeah, it's been an interesting family time. I think it's in a weird way, it's helping because, I mean, you have to lean on your family at this time. So it's some positives that may come out of this situation. Yeah, I'm not too hopeful of that.

02:21 We'll see if something positive comes out of it. Anyway, so we're doing a regular MoFax on scheduled time, our kind of new scheduled time on Saturdays. And I will admit, your call came in, and actually I saw you'd called earlier. Dude, I was so, you know, I'm watching the coronavirus updates, the briefings, the teams, the president every single day. I'm taking notes. I'm doing research. And honestly, I didn't know what day it was. It could have been Saturday. It could have been Tuesday. I completely, I didn't even connect it when you called. I'm like, hey, oh, crap. Now I know why you're calling. So I do apologize for that. But that's how weird it can get. No worries.

03:03 I've had that same experience during this week. Oh, yeah. Because, I mean, my work routine is, I actually miss it. I mean, I get up in the morning, iron clothes, and you know, that whole routine. Now, when you're working from home, you just kind of like roll out of bed, brush your teeth, and light up the first laptop. And there's the first wake and bake. Okay, everybody. Maybe you iron, you go iron your clothes, and I'll have that joint. So I did not even look at the clips. I'm prepared for everything. So I think we should, unless you have something else, Mo, I'll just spin the wheel. Go ahead and spend the wheel. All right, here we go. All right, it's the wheel of topics. Find out what we're going on today's Mo Facts with Adam Curry.

03:47 It's number 30. So who knows what we'll do? The topic for today is emergence or the spontaneous creation of sophisticated behaviors and functions from large groups of simple elements. Okay. This is going to be a wow ride. All right. We like that. Just from the show topic itself. I think we have like 10 throwback clips in this show. So we're going to cover a lot of previous things that we just discussed in previous shows.

04:27 That way, one, we're at show 30. So I want to catch people up if they're just now starting to tune in on some of the things we talk about. And the first set of clips we had is what was the motivation for this topic because I think we've witnessed some things and we even covered some things on this podcast, but unknowingly, we haven't classified them correctly. Okay. All right. That's where we're headed. Oh, I like that because we have, yeah, we've, we've looked at a lot of different topics, a lot of different similarities of things and individuals. individual elements. And so now we're going to classify him. Yeah. Well, it boils down to the

05:07 re-emergence. So, I mean, to the emergence. So, yes. It's weird. You're going to have to follow me here. Speaking in riddles, Mo. Yes. Just follow along. And at the end of the show, it'll all make sense. That's all I promise. All right. All right. I'm ready to go. All right. So let's just hop into Karen Hunter One. I don't think, and I've said this before, and I got a little heat for it, but I don't think the Jesse Jackson endorsement does a whole hell of a lot for Bernie Sanders, right? I think that younger black voters who are interested in Bernie Sanders are going to be interested in Bernie Sanders without Jesse Jackson. It's going to be very hard for you to get older black folks,

05:53 people who are my parents' age and a little bit younger than my parents, because my parents are in their 70s, to vote before anybody other than Joe Biden. Joe Biden is somebody that they know, somebody that they respect, right? And for most of the people in my age category, we don't have the same relationship with Jesse Jackson that other black folks have, right? What are the black folks? First of all, who is this? I like his voice. He's got a great voice. This is Drew McCaskill. He is a crisis manager, senior vice president, I think, at Nielsen. He's a contributor at Sirius Radio. And this is on the Karen Hunter show.

06:35 And they were having a talk about black leadership and the impact of black leadership. More specifically, they were talking about Jesse Jackson co-signing and endorsing Bernie Sanders. Right. Okay. Got it. Got it. So this conversation over this next one, two, three, four, five, six clips is what's sent my brain on the path that it went on. And it's not, it's going to be a, like I said, a weird ride to just follow along. All right.

07:10 But now they're bringing up Jesse Jackson. And as he said, that Jesse Jackson doesn't hold as much weight with younger voters, or even I assume me and Mr. McCaskill is in the same age range. So we didn't witness the run of 88. And Karen Hunter asked him a question: what black people, and I'll let's let him answer that question. You know, older black folks who actually have relationship do all the older black folks have I think, you know, people who actually who people who saw Jesse Jackson run in 88 and actually win a state, who people who saw Jesse Jackson go and get them hostages and bring them hostages back, I have a recollection of that.

07:54 But for many people who are younger than me, who are in their 30s and their 20s, a lot of what their association with Jesse Jackson is, is their association is him, you know, being on a hot mic talking about Obama and talking about Obama talking down to black folks, right? And so Jesse Jackson is meaningful. He has a very meaningful place in history. I do not think that his endorsement moves the needle for any new black supporters for Bernie Sanders. However, I just don't think he, I don't think it does. Now, I must have missed this. I don't know what I was doing, but when did Jesse Jackson negotiate for hostages?

08:35 I'm not sure. I mean, when he said it, it didn't register on my memory. I got it well. Yeah, I got it here. American civil rights leader, Reverend Jesse Jackson, said Sunday he has had prayer with the wife of Thomas. Oh, this is where contractors abducted in Iraq. 2000. Okay, yeah, that didn't register with me. I mean, what I know, Jesse Jackson was for being the heir parent to Martin Luther King. Right, right. That's that's what we're known for. But if you listen to this conversation closely, they're explaining how he's become a dinosaur. Right. He has, he's no more, he has no more use.

09:17 This is the point that Drew is making. And I think Karen is agreeing with him so far because he doesn't hold any weight. And he actually ruined himself with that whole Obama. If people are not familiar, when he got caught in a hot mic at Fox saying, I want to cut his nuts off, referring to Obama. Well, I have a theory of what how that, where that came for me, where that came from is Obama was able to circumvent the civil rights movement power structure. Yeah, to get elected. Absolutely. He went right around it. He went right around it. He's not tied into there.

10:00 So I think that infuriated Jesse Jackson, but by him saying that, he really put it into his career. And if you notice, that was the emergence of Al Sharpton. Yes, yes, yes, yes. So that was the transition to power there. But that's a tangent that I'm not trying to go on right now, but just to let people know the framing this conversation to have. But it gets more interesting as they continue on. And again, people, we should have these discussions. It's not personal. I have, you know, it's an interesting period to be in where you just laid out some of Jesse's history, Jesse, excuse me, Jesse Jackson's history.

10:43 And I want to be respectful because the man did live a life of service. But there is a complicated history. It's completely, you know. And for me, you know, I come into it with the spending the day with Martin Luther King's blood on him and doing media shortly after. I didn't like that. I wasn't around for it per se. I don't remember being a conscious human being, but I've studied and I read. And I feel like in many ways, he's part of the problem of the last 50 years in the black community of so-called black leadership somehow personally benefiting and becoming extremely wealthy while not a whole lot has happened in neighborhoods throughout this country.

11:26 That's the problem when you're like Jesse Jackson. You're 78. You've been around long enough. You know, people figured out Obama after four or five years. You know, they had plenty of time to say, hey, wait a minute. What kind of game is this Jesse Jackson running? And what we, one bullet that we need to put on the timeline is for this whole show is 2007. That's when the smartphone came about. When the smartphone came about, information just went spread like wildfire. And people became more educated, more informed on the issue that she brought up.

12:07 Because I brought this up on a previous show, and a lot of people didn't know about Jesse Jackson having Martin Luther King's blood on his shirt and doing press conferences. And that's how I kind of hijacked the whole Martin Luther King's movement after his death. That was not well known. And it's weird that she says, and I know I say a weird a lot. I'm going to stop that, but it's just strange that she says we had to give him respect, but then he, then you accuse him of doing something as low as that and being basically a paid shield. Okay, so she's spitting the truth, first of all. But I think it's time, Mo.

12:47 It's just, look, you're just getting old. You know, I've been around for a bit longer and this goes away. I mean, if you ask, a lot of people really don't know much more even about MLK. They really don't. I mean, we've learned a lot from you and on this show, but there's so many things I think people just like, ah, yeah, whatever. I'm just doubtful or skeptic of the education level because it is so long ago at this point. But it's new news if you never knew it.

13:26 And I think you got to follow me here because this is what started this whole separation. It ruined the whole Boulev power structure. They've been rendered null and void. And I think that's why she's handling him with kid gloves because she could be put in that box later on. Oh, yes, of course. So it's like, well, we got to ease the legend service. And, you know, but he did some lowdown, dirty things. It's like, don't either call him out or praise him. Well, what are you doing? I agree with you there. She was clearly doing one of these, you know, it's almost like

14:07 I hate Trump, but I like some of the things he's doing. You know, it's like one of those. It's like, well, you know, the guy's a paid shield, but we can't forget that, you know, he was there with Jesse when he had his blood on his shirt. So it's some kind of odd respect that people do. And maybe it's also worried about cancel culture. That's most of our problems come from people just being too chicken shit just to say what they actually feel or mean. And I'm sure her demographics is made up of those older black people that still have respect for Jesse Jackson. I don't, she's on Sirius XM, so I don't know. I mean, SiriusXM's audience is a pretty big black box. It could be no one listening to this, but you.

14:49 But she has. has to save herself. Of course, she does. She has to save herself because it's like, I don't want to, you know. It's a job. She's got to get a good gig. You got to be careful. Oh, yeah. The power structure will come down. Of course. Absolutely. You probably won't hear her saying anything negative about China either. No. Okay. But we know because she's the one that last show, she was the one. We don't need to call it the Chinese flu or exactly. That was her. So thank you. Case in point. Of course. She's going to be very careful. That's the wokeness that's killing everybody. Now, of course, we don't have that problem here since we're value for value, but we'll talk about that later.

15:28 Correct. I think we stopped at three so we could pick up at four. And I'm going to say the same about Farrakhan. Y'all can add me if you want to, because I really feel like, in many ways, it's been a whole lot of charismatic black leadership without a whole lot of results and receipts. And we need to have that conversation too, because as we move forward, I say we do away with charismatic black leadership. And I say the black agenda, which we mapped out here last Wednesday and started having a conversation about, should be delivered by a council of people we never see. Ah, I see what you're saying. Because ultimately, from corporate America, who literally writes checks to check a box to say I've supported black people

16:09 to organizations where that money, I don't know where it goes. Right. Because I haven't seen neighborhoods built. I haven't seen tech programs built. I have not seen education programs. I haven't seen the results of the checks that are delivered to these organizations, which I know for a fact, corporate America, they're doing that. Yeah, I've written some of those. Literally giving checks to organizations under the guise of black leadership. Wow. She's got quite that. That's good. I'm like, yeah, of course. What do you expect? It's a lot in that clip that we got to unpack. One. Farrakhan. She said, oh, I'll call out Farrakhan too, another dinosaur.

16:50 Yep. This is, I'm going to show you how real I am by throwing the dinosaurs under the bus and making a clear line, a demarcation. It's Mo Facts Jurassic Park Edition. That's what we're talking about. Right. So they're rolling those, you know, the older heads under the bus. But it's funny that recently she just had Al Sharp Al Sharpton on her show and she didn't press him like that. Well, as you point out, power is transferred. Yeah. And, but he has the same business model as Jesse Jackson. Yeah, but he's needed a corporate. But he's on MSNBC. He's part of the structure. He's part of the machine.

17:32 That is correct. So this is when people like me and my age and are aware hear this, we smell the BS. Because it's like, hold on, you caught, hold on, you have Sharpton on your show, but you call out Jesse and Farrakhan. You know, corporations are writing checks to these people. And if you heard, listen closely, Drew even said, yeah, I wrote some of that. I wrote some of those checks. Yeah. So they understand the whole power structure, how it works, but now all of a sudden you have a conscience that you want to call it out. And then the third thing she brought up is, oh, this black agenda she suddenly has.

18:14 What? What was this at 20 years ago? I got to ask you, Mo. Because you listen to Karen Hunter a lot. Is this very popular? Do a lot of people listen to Karen Hunter show that you know? I mean, is there a lot of action around this show? I'm not sure because like it can't, when you search for clips, then algo gets, you know, it gets whatever algo. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It starts throwing it there. And it's not like I'm targeting her, but it's a very interesting. It's a good example of what's happening. That and she's walking in line. And I said this before, her and Stephen A.

18:54 Smith are very close with each other. I found out on another show I had that she had him on his show, had him on her show. And they, I mean, basically, she groomed him at the newsroom they worked at and that kind of thing. And what I'm saying by that is she walks that line the same way he does. I'm a black man, but I'm going to protect the corporation I work for. I'm not going to step out of line. That kind of thing. Right. That's 99.99% of all people in mainstream media. This is true, but don't make yourself seem like you're different

19:39 than these other charismatic leaders that she speaks to. Wait, Mo, you're telling me that people in the mainstream are full of crap? Oh, no. They're so full of crap. But the difference is 12 years ago, she could have got away with this. But yeah, it doesn't work anymore. Not with Mo Facts around. It doesn't. And that's where we're headed: she doesn't realize she's a dinosaur. She's just a younger dinosaur. Right. But nonetheless, she's making the mistake that because she's in a fancy studio built with dot-com money on a Sirius XM, she thinks she has some power.

20:23 Whereas, of course, we know that the model, everything about her shows that she doesn't because she can't say anything she wants. She has to say this. She has to to keep it going. But that's the role. That's the role that she's playing now: let's throw the dinosaur. Let's throw the older black leaders under the bus. Let's throw out the keywords, black agenda, you know, and I'll seem hip. So, but what was interesting here is she advocates for a council and not for black leaders anymore, no longer recognizable leaders, but like an unseen, like an unseen hand of people behind the scenes who call all the good shots.

21:10 Yes, mostly made up probably of academia. Technocrats, we call them technocrats. Yes. So that's the new model. Like, oh, you know, the talking heads are bad. You know, the Al Sharptons and the Jesse Jacksons and the Farrakhans are bad. What we need is people behind the scenes doing the work, you know, that kind of thing. Since when has that ever worked? Since never. But I always take the temperature by going to the comments. I look at the thumbs down count, and people are not buying it. They're not buying.

21:49 We know that either you're Boule or you're not. I mean, there's different flavors of Boule, but I mean, that's the litmus test. When you come to the hard questions of telling people not to vote, that's one of the tests. Where do you stand? A corporate-owned asset has to hold the party line. No matter what the party is, they have to hold the party line where, oh, you know, vote down ballot or we need to scrutinize closely. No one will say this has corporate backing. I'm not voting. Right. This is Litmus test that we can put to them.

22:30 And they're not very uncomfortable. Unlike the hardcore Bernie people who now I think see the writing on the wall, they're saying, oh, we're not voting. We're not voting. We're just not going to vote. We're done. And I don't think it's the hardcore black Bernie voters. Curry, I would tell you to put your goggles on, but you're right on time. That's my point. When black people were saying it, or so-called black people, quote-unquote, black people were saying this, what, maybe a year ago? If you don't meet our demands, we're going to walk. If you don't put a candidate up, we're going to walk. The whole Democratic Party, liberal to blue dog, was saying,

23:11 you can't do that. You have to vote. You know, your ancestors died so you can vote. But now all of a sudden, their candidate, and it's weird because they have the Demexit, Demexit, I think it's called. That was part of this show as well. And I just didn't add any clips to support it. But that was like, oh, now, now you get it. You know, the establishment has boxed you out, but they want your vote still. Yeah, of course. Welcome to the club. Welcome to the club. So, shit, man, even Tulsi has endorsed Joe Biden. Can you believe that?

23:54 That was really disappointing. When you're tied to establishment money, and this goes to show why value for value is so important. Oh, yeah. Because we have the freedom to not only call out people that's safe to be called out, but those that seem untouchable. Right. We can go after them too. And it's not that it's vendetta, but it's like we're going to have one standard here. So we could continue on with that. And that standard is poverty, Mo. Poverty and podcasting. We hold ourselves to a high standard. Okay. We'll get to that all later. All right. Good. Let's now.

24:38 What do we have next here? We're all. rolling it to five now. So that they can go back and feel corporately responsible. We've given millions of dollars to black people. Yeah. But black people aren't getting the money. The black leaders are. Yeah. And I can tell you, as somebody who used to write those checks, is that most corporations look at those dollars that they spend. You know how old black folks talk about the tithe? Like that, listen, God said I need to give this 10th, and whatever the pastor does with that money is on him. I did what God said I'm supposed to do. Now, the pastor can set that money on fire if he wants to, but I did what I'm supposed to do. Corporations are like old black folks that tithe. That I'm going to write this check to insert the blank organization that we all know.

25:22 We've all been to the breakfasts, the banquets, and the luncheons, and the galas, right? We're going to write that check. Now, what they do with that money, because they are black, they know black people, they know the black community, they're in the arena. Our job is not to be in the arena. Our job is to support the people who are in the arena. That's the best that we can do. But we're going to give them this money. And now, what they do with it after that. Don't come to us and say we're racist because we gave the check. And when somebody comes, and when somebody internally says we're racist, we want you to defend us. So while he was talking, I looked up some of his previous employers.

26:04 And the big one that he worked, well, Unilever is one. But he got started Weber Shandwick. And Weber Shanwick is a public relations company. So when he says, I wrote those checks, that's where he was writing them. He was writing checks as a PR company on behalf of firms because that's what those guys do. They consult on who you should support, how you communicate your support. Can we lay out how that chain of events work? Because I think we may be making some assumptions here that people understand how that works.

26:43 So say a CEO goes on television and maybe a blackface picture pops up from their college years. Well, that's crisis management. Yeah. So if that investment is a positive as well. So, okay, exactly. There's two ways it can happen. Well, it was planned and unplanned. Yes. Well, it would, yeah, correct. It would be better. A better example is something happens with a corporation. So, you know, so let's say, let's say MasterCard puts Harriet Tubman on a MasterCard doing a Wakanda salute. This is a good example. So outrage ensues.

27:27 Now, big corporations often have their own, well, they have their own communications department. When it comes to something like that, you need to really tamp that down quickly because you got shareholders, publicly listed, all you know, shaming, cancel culture. So they'll call up. It's typically Hill and Knowlton. That's a really famous one. But Weber Shandwick does it as well. And they will give you a strategy. And in the case of race in the United States, often now it works two ways. I personally believe you can call Al Sharpton and say, hey, could you please come and demonstrate outside my office so we can do a speech together and we'll resolve this by promising not to do anything bad and we'll give you a million dollars for your action network.

28:17 Now, it may be that people like Al Sharpton will smell the money and go there on their own accord. But I think at this point, you can just call, you can schedule him. You can schedule them to come and you do a little script and you give him some money and he goes to the action network and everything's jouncy jolly and you can put out a great press release and it does work. And the act is important because he just can't come in like, oh, yeah, everything's okay. He has to put up the demonstration, the bullhorn. You got to do the whole thing. Yeah, you got to go through the whole rigmarole. Yes. And one of these cases that we've seen, I think we discussed in the show, is Jay-Z in the NFL.

29:01 The NFL got in a pickle. Yep. They said, who can we get to come in? Get a consultant. Yeah. And they was like, you know what? What story can we do? We can't find a black fellow that we should. Right. He's married to that girl. The girl is so popular. Get Jay-Z on the phone. And Jay-Z, like, what? Oh, eight figures? Okay. Yep. Write him the check. He comes in. They put the arm around. He answers the tough questions. NFL doesn't have to say anything. He doesn't have to do this. He doesn't have to even plan anything. No, he just comes in. in and you know, turn the charisma on. But I just want people to understand how this works. And it's not by happenstance.

29:42 It's a strategy. Yes. And it's moving pieces, but this strategy is antiquated. It no longer works because people know what the play is. It's like, oh, okay. Sharpener shows up. Sharpen's outrage. Oh, we're going to take him to the wall. They go in the back room. Oh, we come out. They're very sorry. We set them straight. They're going to be more culturally sensitive. And then they throw a couple million dollars into a program, buying poor kids' laptops in the inner city. And then, you know, everything. And I will say, I think Sharpton needs to be looking over his shoulder too.

30:23 I think we need a new Sharpton. Someone new has to stand up in this game pretty soon in the next five years. Well, we talked about that. And that's what D-Ray McKesson and Talcum X. What's his name? Talcum X, what? Yeah. Sean King. Oh, yeah, of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yep. That's very similar. Yes. Because the boots on the ground now is the outrage and council culture online. Right. That's the new play. Yeah, but so we no longer can use the Reverend credentials with the new guard. So I'm not quite sure what they're using as their credentials. It's activists.

31:06 Activists. Activists is the new Rev. Activist is the new Rev. Gotcha. Act is Rev. Got it. Got it. Got it. Totally on. Yep. So they bring them in. But this is going somewhere. But now we just see the inner workings of how, and she knows this. But when they, like I said, when they have these events happen and these characters show up, she's never called them out before. She never said, oh, look, you know, they're rolling out their talking heads. No, she plays along as well. Yeah. But I guess we can go again to clip six. If a company is racist and that said company gave millions of dollars to the people who are supposed to hold those companies accountable, are they more or less likely to hold those companies accountable?

31:57 I'm just putting out there. Y'all, y'all do it as you may. Maybe this is a good bump. Maybe it's not. There's a story circulating about Joe Biden's what's being whispered in back rooms regarding what his team will look like. And I bring this up because Trump is a great example of what a team should not look like. Yeah. Great example. There's a lot circulating about Joe Biden's mental health. Let me just go on record. I don't care if he has one brain cell left. I don't care. There you go. That's a real American view of who you're voting for, ladies and gentlemen. Beautiful. Merca, right there.

32:35 Nice. For the very thing she just criticized these leaders for doing, she turns around and does it at the end of the clip. Isn't that great? No matter what, he could have one brain cell. One. I don't care. I don't care. I'm going to vote for who the people that put the battery in my back want me to push. Yes. And this is where we got to. Now we're now here. A lot of people post 2007. The invention of the smartphone gave people access to a large amount of information.

33:17 People weren't walking around with laptops to show you or, you know, or desktops. Hey, come on to my desktop and let me show you this. But now with links, social media, you can share these things. The information has been there for almost 13 years now. These people are rendered null and void. And where this takes us is we've seen two things happen. And they've been labeled with hashtags, but they are real movements. And we're going to get into how they were hijacked. And I'm just going to do a little foreshadowing of the two events.

33:59 One, the creation of ADOS. Two, the term Blexit. Those two things are real events, but they were hijacked by AstroTurf. And it kind of made them seem like not real things. They could be explained away. Exactly what happened to the Tea Party in 2008. Correct. There was a real tea party actually started by Ron Paul, and it got hijacked. And before. you knew it, it was Steve Bannon. It was like, what? That went fast.

34:34 Yeah, these things happen. Yes, but they have been mislabeled or misunderstood because people don't understand the groundswell that gave them the fuel to become real movements in the first place. Real movements, yes. And but then they became fake movements by how the media covered them. Yeah, right. But the movement is still there. You can call it another name if you want to, but the movement is there. Now, this is where we get into some background clips, just because we want to define certain things. So when we, on today's show, if it's your first time listening, you may be jarred by the term white supremacy.

35:17 So what we want to do here is this is from show 12. Neely Fuller defined what white supremacy is. Well, we are in the system of white supremacy. That's the most powerful government that the world has ever seen. And that's the title of it, by the way. It doesn't go by any other title, even though we sometimes call it by other titles. But the accurate title for the government that we are under is, in capital letters, the system of white supremacy worldwide. It's just one world government. And that's the only government in town. The only government on the planet that really counts, that is worthy of having the title of government.

36:03 Yep. And I'm on board with this. So this is where we want to lay out something. And I want people to think about it. And YouTube Adam and please push back if you think this is crazy. Oh, I will. I think people are experiencing what black people experience with racism with the coronavirus. Yes. And thank you for saying that. My sister just left me a voice message. Half of it's in Dutch, so I can't play. It won't make any sense. She left me a voice message. She's in Italy and she's in Florence and she's been keeping me updated on what's going on.

36:43 And you'll love this. So she went to the supermarket. She knows the right time now, 4:30 in the afternoon. It's restocked. But everybody, almost everybody in the store had a face mask on. And my sister, she's like, I don't have a face mask on. And people were giving her stink eye, looking around the corner at her, you know, just a whole. And she said, quite literally, I felt like I was being targeted like it was a racist thing. Well, that really sucks. Hey, Mo, that really sucks, man. So let me draw the analogy and make it flesh it out here.

37:24 Coronavirus racism. There are two things you can't see. You don't even know if you're going to encounter it or not. The numbers aren't really scary when you look at the numbers, but if it's inside your head, it's scary. You're scared to go places. You're scared to interact with people because you're like, oh, they might be racist. I might counter a racist, you know, have a racist encounter. So a segment of black people are really scared to move around. And I want people to really put yourself in their shoes because this is how they feel.

38:07 Like you said, when she walked into the store in her natural state, it's like, no, you know, you must obey. And it's the agenda. What you're experiencing now where you have to have a piece of paper to walk around. Yeah. Well, that's stopping frisk. That's Ausweis Biza. Yeah, you're right. Oh, shit. I'll write that down. That is Stop and Frisk. Yeah. Wow. So this is actually coronavirus should be a great learning moment for the nation. I want the people to empathize because

38:46 we can say by the numbers, oh, well, that's not a real threat. The flu. And this is, here's another analogy. When you say, okay, cops kill black people, the rebuttal to that is, well, black people kill black people, black on black crime. The parallel to that is corona's killing people. Well, the flu kills a thousand more people. You've made your very good point. And I think the, of course, we can go on and make these comparisons over and over again. But when I heard my sister's message, and I think when I just said it,

39:25 I actually, for a fleeting moment, I'm like, oh, I know exactly how that felt. You know, I think we all can understand that kind of feeling, but when it actually hits you, and I felt it, you know, by you know, because of my sister, so I felt that moment. That's that's a pretty special thing to experience. As I said, this sucks. So I just, I just lay that out there as just aside. Well, you better be wearing a mask then, for sure. You don't want to get double racism when you go outside. Double teamed. So I say these things just so when you hear the rest of the show, you can empathize with them.

40:06 Now, when I put my white supremacist hat on, which is pointed, of course, America is often compared to Rome, Empire, correct? Sure. Yeah. Yes. So to maintain an empire, you had to have a strategy. Let's listen to Barbarians Rising, Rise, and Fall of an Empire. Rome conquered what we called at the time the no world. And Rome power grew based on fear. When Rome conquered its enemy, it didn't just lead them to their own devices. It moved in.

40:46 It set up systems. There were points of inclusion. There are points of suppression. And ultimately, there's a system that really worked for Rome to remain in power. Rome wants a number of things from the territories it conquers. It wants wealth. It wants glory. And it wants human capital. It wants slaves. Yeah, weaponizing fear. Weaponizing fear. Also, they said they couldn't leave their people to their own devices. So they set up systems of inclusion. That would be the parallel to that would be the bullet.

41:24 You know, if you will protect the kingdom and the empire, we'll find a spot for you. They suppress others. So if we say Rome is an empire and they operate in this way, why wouldn't we say the American Empire will operate in this way? Or any empire for that matter. Or any or any empire. Yeah, I'm just saying, these are the latest two. And Egypt operate the same way when you go back and read. That's a very famous story in the Bible. So did Nazi Germany. Yes. Russia. So the point I'm making here is you have to have a system of dealing with people that you conquered.

42:08 So it's not far-fetched to think that this system exists. When you get ready to free millions of people and let them live inside your walls. You got to have a control mechanism. You got to have a, and you just heard that in the first the first set of clips. This is how the control mechanism works. We have people on the inside. When we need to be bailed out, we'll get them on the phone. If we need them to calm, we need to calm people down. We have the mechanisms in place being one of MLK. I told you how he was used, not him personally, but his image was used to

42:54 as a calming mechanism or a control mechanism over black people. When they start to get rowdy or upset. Now, what would King do? What would Dr. King do? Calm down. So these things exist. What do we have now? What do we have now? We don't have that. We don't have a person we say, what would, well, Denzel Washington, of course. Well, still King. That's why they protect his, that's why they protect his image and cultivate his image. But it is just that. It's just image. There's no more substance to it. No, it's no more. No, no, no. No, not at all. And because he's a complex person with very with all these people, they're very complex, but they boil them down to a

43:39 tool. So just to say that. So now we say we can all agree that this system exists and it makes sense for the system to exist if you want to maintain an empire. Peace and harmony in the empire. Yes. Keep everything calm at the ranch. Yes. Another throwback clip just to show just to show how that conversation happens in modern times is Trick Baby. From 1974. It's you liberals who have lifted them up, Howard. Oh, you conservatives make a mistake. You can't afford to strangle hope in people without hope.

44:19 hope, people become dangerous. No, Howard. You liberals have let them invade our society. You give them jobs, political jobs. Oh, you missed the point. It's only the smart ones we move up. That makes it even worse. No, you know, we have to move them up. If we leave a smart one in the ghetto, he might develop into a leader against us. But if we raise him up into white society, we neutralize him. He feels compelled to try to act like us. He loses his identity and his racial anger, if he has any. He becomes alien to his brothers. They realize he sold them out and they grow to hate him. He becomes worthless to them and safe for us. No, thank you.

45:05 In fact, in his love for the creature comforts, except for his color, he's become one of us. Betty Bing. So this is the point we're at now that we're figuring out these leaders are tools of gentlemen like in this clip. They have a good talking game. They get the people motivated. They use control mechanisms such as MLK, Jesus, the Bible, those kind of things to maintain the power over the group they're trying to control. And they were at the behest of their handlers. It's not an exclusive black thing, of course.

45:49 This is not every group. Every group. Yeah, of course not. So now we understand the system. We understand in modern times how they enact the system. And in the previous set of the first set of clips, we actually see the system being unveiled by people that operated inside the system of Mr. Yeah, I wrote those checks before. It's not great. I did that. I did that. Well, I think he's only signaling to her and maybe a few other. I don't think anyone else caught that. No one else figures out what he's talking about. I don't think they know what he's talking about. Well, goes over their head.

46:29 I would think when I say this is the word they use, woke, and it's that word is so poorly used now and just has been hijacked. Yeah, it's been hijacked. It's being aware. So if you understand the system, it's like, okay, here's the players. I think a lot of people, more people than you would think, understand the system now because of the information that has been pumped out due to this information age. I mean, the information age started, what, maybe the 90s, I believe, but access to that information didn't happen really until 2007. Correct. Being readily available.

47:14 So now we move on to another throwback clip, and this is from episode 13. And this is one of our one of the show favorites, Kanye West. Y'all got to think, man, black people are like the housekeepers of America. Think about how your housekeeper, you know what I'm saying? They got a certain volume. They're supposed to talk in the house. We got a certain volume. We're supposed to talk in America. So what do you think? If a housekeeper is screaming in my house, what do you think the other housekeeper is going to tell them? Be quiet. Be quiet, yay. Be quiet, yay. Don't disrupt the house. Don't disrupt America, yay. We orphans out here, but don't disrupt.

47:57 There is. What if some people feel like you siding with the slave master, too? If we're in the house and it's the Trump household, it's like, just like shit, you siding with the slave master. If we're both in the house and I see you rolling through wearing the red hat, I'm like, man, he just like this dude over here. And am I speaking that? Maybe. Are others thinking that? Maybe. But I'm saying, how do we separate that? If we're both in the house, we like, man, I'd rather deal with somebody who call me an N-word to my face than a person that signed me for a lifetime deal on a 255 page of my contract. I got you. I got you. I'd rather know what I'm dealing with. That's why when I walk in with any, I don't keep nothing on my chest.

48:40 I'd be like, this is what I'm dealing with. But I'm here. This is what I'm dealing with. It has been institutionalized slave mastery and slavery. Our mentality is only one of the two. Now we need to find freedom. Yeah. That was, that was the, which interview was that again? That was what him and big boy. Big boy, right, right, right, right. Big boy. So what Kanye West is saying is that we see now our eyes have been open, and now we have the choice to continue to be mental slaves. slaves, or we can be have what some refer to as a ruling class mentality, and that is that I'm not going to be a subject of anybody.

49:26 I'm going to think for myself. I'm going to have a freedom of thought. I'm going to use my own brain. I'm not going to participate in group think. You're not going to shame me into thinking a certain way. You're not going to shame me into being quiet when I call out things. It's safe to say, I mean, if I say, oh, Trump is this or that, people are like, oh, yeah, that clap. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But if you call out the other side, it's like, shh, can't say that. You can't say that about Joe Biden. You can't say that about Hillary Clinton. You can't say, you know, whoever the other side is. Because a perfect example,

50:04 going back to the coronavirus, when the Chinese saw that this was being labeled a narrative of being a Chinese disease, they sent their message out there. No, no, this is not going to be a Chinese disease. They called CNN to say, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, yeah, this has been a big one. It's, I will say that people are catching on to these things slowly, but people are catching on. Now, I asked this question: why is it that that didn't happen when crime is associated with black people or illegitimacy children, illegitimate children associated with black people?

50:49 Why nobody ever pushed back against that talking point? Because they don't have any real power. Yeah, no power, no money. You got to give people money to make them say stuff. That's how I see it working with the Chinese. A lot of money. A lot of money. A lot of money. I mean, a lot of biscuits. A lot of butterbees, biscuits, yes. A lot of how to butter biscuits. So the next question is: well, how do they control masses? This is another throwback clip from show five. And I'm doing this for a reason. One is to bring people up. Is this your first show? You can kind of get, or I mean, maybe your third or fourth show, you can kind of get where when we say things in passing, you can understand a linear

51:34 view of how these things connect. And you can always go back to those episodes and listen to them. They're evergreens. You can listen to them anytime. True. And what we want to do here, and this is inspired by a couple of DMs I got of maybe I need to lay this case out linearly and um then people can understand the point the how the dots connect okay so we okay there's a system we we agreed upon that that system implores black people as the leaders to keep the masses of black people down uh that's simply because they're trying to maintain the empire that they have uh which what we call white supremacy is really uh another

52:19 term used for is globalism uh the illuminati or whatever you want to call it so we're there now what tool do they use to control black people advertising marketing and what and one of the most powerful tools in advertising is nostalgia hey and teddy told me the most important idea in advertising is new creates an itch you simply put your product in there as a kind of calamine lotion but he also talked about a deeper bond with the product

53:03 nostalgia it's delicate but potent teddy told me that in greek nostalgia literally means the pain from an old wound it's a twinge in your heart far more powerful than memory alone that was from madmen yes that's from one of my favorite shows mad men one of my favorite characters of all time mr don draper so with nostalgia how they use it as a tool is through

53:50 images you see uh the old black and white pictures of the people marching and the dogs and the water hoses uh or either lynching slave ships yeah lynchings yeah uh auction block uh they use certain terms yes uh music Of course, these are all reinforced through trauma-based entertainment. These images are reinforced and the trauma and the deep-rooted nostalgia as it's defined here is kept intact to be brought to the front and activated at any time. And that nostalgia

54:31 is buried deep into the core of you as a person. I think the younger people don't have that. And I think that's why, going back to the first of the clips with Karen and Drew, it doesn't. Jesse Jackson doesn't register with the young people because it's not nostalgia, it's not nostalgic for them. Whereas the older people, like, oh, yeah, I remember Jesse from the push and the Rainbow Coalition, and he was weak, Dr. King. You know, that's the line that they draw with younger people. It's not there. So what they have to do is they have to mix. And Don Draper said in the clip, the two more powerful things.

55:13 One is new. So they take the new and mix it with the old, the new Black Panther Party, the new civil rights. Right, right, right. So it's like, let me put the new with the old, and then I can trigger you into controlling your thoughts. So one of the most, this is another throwback clip from episode 22. One of the most powerful tools they had was the Highlander school song. It was in the civil rights struggle that Highlander became most famous and famous for a song. How that happened is a textbook example of Highlander working exactly the way it was designed.

55:52 From the start, the civil rights movement had songs, lots of songs, but it didn't have a song. One unifying and irresistible anthem that not only said who they were, but that musically expressed all their hope, determination, and spirit. Septima Clark, Pete Seeger, and a new young staffer named Guy Carouan began adapting an old hymn-turned labor song that Sylphia loved to sing. The word will was changed to shall. Some verses were fitted to the new movement's goals, and the tempo was changed so people could march to it better. It became, We Shall Overcome. We shall overcome. Deep in my heart, I do believe we shall overcome.

56:37 Yeah, that was a great segment you did when we went through that. That's fantastic. No one knows that. And in three, in a previous show to 22, we heard three separate news organizations use the same song to trigger that nostalgia. It's like, okay, let's put this as a soundtrack. If we had video, you would see it was in the grainy black and white. And it triggers you. It's like, okay, now we have them triggered. Now we download the mind control. Now, it seems to me that a lot of these things no longer work that well. I think the trauma, the trauma stuff is still legit and it still works, the trauma imagery.

57:21 But we're missing some of these events and the people connected. It's too old. Know what I mean? That was the problem with technology: that the time, the cycle, time cycle sped up. Yeah. Whereas you used to get 20 years out of a good gambling propaganda. Now you're lucky to get 20 days. I mean, look how fast things are going. I mean, it's like, even with this epidemic that we have going on now, it's eventually going to burn out.

57:56 People, I mean, unless you constantly start ratching it up, the depth count, the depth toll, or something new, people are going to be like, eh, whatever, you know, and it's just going to fade away. And I think that's what they're experiencing now. So it's like, crap, we don't have the control. And they're scrambling to say, well, how do we get them back in control? So now, one of the people I like to listen to, just for their point of view and their perspective, is Sad Guru. And he shares with us the importance of a name. Whenever somebody occupies a nation, any conquering forces, when they take over certain nations, first thing they will do is they'll change your name.

58:44 This is the technology of dominance. This is the technology of enslaving. You must see. If you look at the African American history, when African people were brought in, the first thing is at the port, their names were changed. Whatever they had African names, they were taken away and some silly names will be given. That's what has been done to us. Tiruvananthapuram is Travendram. Okay. Chennai, he's mad rust. We don't know whether we're mad or we're rascals. Like this, India. What does it mean? It doesn't mean anything. So if I give you a meaningless name, you will become a meaningless, stupid person in front of me because I have a meaningful name, I have a tradition, I have a culture, you have nothing.

59:30 Interesting. And he used a term there that I want us to foul away. It's the technology of dominance. So what we just described about how an empire maintains power is a technology. It's an actual science. It's a science to it. Well, I actually have the theory of technology dominance. How about this? Let me see if there's a... Do they have an actual definition here? Let me just see.

1:00:12 The theory of technology dominance, TTD, posits that a decision maker may become reliant on an intelligent decision aid under two conditions. Hmm. Let's continue. This warrants more research. Yeah, I just want to, whenever these terms come up, we want to change. The term come up. They're rooted somewhere. But he brought up the point when they brought Africans here, they changed their names. One of the scenes that we talked about from roots is the Toby scene. That was the breaking of the old and giving you your new identity.

1:00:53 You know, there's also something to be said for Trump doing that by nicknaming me people. He defines you the way he wants to define you. And you're sleepy. It's very low energy. Many Mike. I mean, now when you think of a person, you don't think about them in their natural state. He's defined for you how you should see that person. It's one of Trump's most basic building blocks, really. He tears you down to build you up into the image that he wants to see you in. The term fake news is, of course, a very good one.

1:01:31 I like it. So now we're getting to, well, when you are we're talking about on the personal level name or are we talking about on the group level name? Let's get into uh clip two. This is the first thing because the concept of a nation must sink into everybody's mind. Yes. Because nation is just an idea. When this idea burns through your burns through your mind and sinks into your heart and your passion is risen towards that, then you have a real nation. Otherwise, nation is just in the paper. This is the unfortunate reality for us right now.

1:02:09 So at least when they left in 1947, the first thing we should have done is change the name in such a way that it resonates in some way in everybody's mind. Now you're using an English name for an Indian nation. Hardly 2-3% of us can speak English language in this country properly, okay? The remaining people are essentially left out. I think this is one thing I would like to request the present prime minister. We must rename this country in a way it reverberates in everybody's heart. I didn't know there was an issue with India's name. Yeah. They don't like it.

1:02:49 Clearly. Because it's an English word. It's an English word. Well, if that works for them, think how it works for us. You took us, we were colored, the N-word. And we went from that to Negro to African-American. No, well, black, and then African-American. None of these things were decided by us. Wait, but just a couple more. Come on, that's not the only ones. Colored. You forgot you skip colored people and then people of color. You skipped all the junk people. No, well, we stopped it. We're stopping at black for now. But yeah, I mean, if you want to go past that point, now it's people of color because we don't really want you to be black anymore.

1:03:32 We want you to be, you know, that's the color. Not only that, but that's too detailed. I love how this sticks in your craw, man. This is my favorite. Because you hear it every all day long. You hear people of color. And I'm like, wow, these people are alienating themselves. No, that is the technology of dominance. Yes, true. That's what that is. No, no, no, no, no, you're not black anymore. That's too, like I said, that's too specific. Just one of the many colors. Yeah, we need you to, you know, be more group into this group over here of coloreds. But let's just stop at black for a minute because another throwback clip from show 18 where Alizon's the psychic gives us the definition of the meaning of black.

1:04:24 Hello there. I'm Alizon from Alizon PsychicSecrets.com. I'm a white witch, spellcaster, and psychic. I want to talk about the color black and its meaning. Black is not strictly a color, as it is the absence of all color. It absorbs all aspects of light. Black is viewed as a mysterious, secretive, and hidden color and has many negative connotations. Black can be very protective for people suffering from low self-esteem, low moods, or other mental health issues.

1:05:02 They use the color black to protect them from the outside world and hide away their true feelings and emotions. Great care should be taken not to use too much of the color black for clothing and decor, as it is very draining and depressing. Although the meaning of black has some negative connotations, it does in fact enhance any positive elements given by other colors. So wearing black with another color will promote and strengthen the benefits of that color. Why else do you think I'm hanging out with you, Mo? I'm accentuating your white. Yes, yes, thank you. I'm shining. I'm such a bright light now. Now, think about that.

1:05:48 If this name that they've given us, which is a color, has that much negative meaning behind it, if you embrace that name, one, you've given up your actual identity. Yes. That's bad enough in itself. But it's like, now I'm going to be this thing. And even in, you know, the irony of that clip, she refers to herself as a white witch. Why? Yes, exactly. Because white is good. Even if witchcraft, white is good, black is bad. Yeah. Fuck. So now I'm supposed to embrace this title that you've created for me, which was created through the arts and corporations. They actually created black.

1:06:31 That's I'm Black and I'm Proud. I even asked my mom, when do we stop? When do we start being black? I mean, that's what did you do? What did your mom say? She said around the time of the James Brown song and the black power movement. Which James Brown song? I'm Black and I'm Proud. Okay. But without doubt, there's a lot of black people who have helped us on board. I mean, if I need to count every day the number of people of color who talk about people of color, I'd be rich by now. So it's enabling. Yes, it's enabling that from

1:07:10 the people themselves. Yes. Instead of us having the power structure say that the Chinese have, they say we're not going to take on these negative memes and, you know, it's an issue. Yeah, this shows you wealth versus ownership. So every NBA player, there's only a few who are white. Every NBA player could do this, could stand up and say, no, China, but they won't because China actually owns them. Very true. And we covered that in the episode with LeBron James in China. Yep. And the NBA.

1:07:46 Yep. You don't bite the hand that feeds you. So that's, they give you an amount of wealth that's so large that you can't imagine living without it. Yeah. So that's the control mechanism over you. Yes, but everybody, and I think this has been on my mind a lot. The control mechanism is the cancel culture. It is the, it's that, no, it is the cancel culture because cancel culture happens in business, it happens in politics, it happens in popular culture, it happens everywhere, and people are scared shitless of it.

1:08:26 There's stuff you won't do within the company you work at. Regardless, regardless of race, there's stuff you're just not going to say you're not going to do. But, you know, maybe there's even people who don't really know what you do on the podcast for, you know, because you're like, I don't want anyone to know. I don't want any problems. That's very true. And this is the balancing act that you kind of got to have. Yeah. But we're all human. We all have. strings that can be pulled. Oh, hell yeah. But you also have to say, you know what? I'm not going to cross that line, even if it costs me.

1:09:07 I'm not going to cross the line. Well, a mature intellectual human being will do this, yes. But you got to go through a lot of years of figuring it out before you get to that point. I want to push back against that because growing up, that was the default for being quote-unquote black. That's where the term keeping it real comes from. You see, this is not the understanding of being black is that you're going to keep it real. You know, that's how we that's our MO. We're going to give it to you straight.

1:09:48 You know, we're going to give it how we feel about it. We're going to give it to you straight. And if you don't, then you're considered a sellout. Dive into that a second for me. You mean you keeping it real, but you're keeping it real amongst yourselves? Or are you keeping it real? Are you real with me? I mean, I don't understand exactly what you're doing. You're keeping it real everywhere. I mean, that's the fault setting. Now, as you get older and you get a mortgage and you get, you know, those things start to get chipped away at. I agree. Okay. You make a very valid point. Once you have responsibility and stuff you don't want to lose when you're young, of course, it's easier to be a revolutionary.

1:10:29 But it's exactly at the point where you should be pushing back or taught you don't have those tools. You haven't felt the pain yet of being fired or canceled. And the people that should be teaching you are leading you astray. Yes. Well, yes, there you go. True. So moving forward, Adam, do you remember how we crossed paths? Because we're going to get in, this is heading to where we're going to go. Well, it was over the ADOS issue, right? Yeah, and you reached out to me and we had a long conversation. You explained to me what the ADOS movement was. And yeah, that was the initial contact.

1:11:15 And what that was was the same thing that Sad Guru was saying that we need to redefine ourselves. Right. It was a nation. I mean, we're not a nation within ourselves, but we are in a way of saying we don't want to be called black anymore. We don't, because it doesn't mean anything. It doesn't mean the same thing that it used to mean. So people started gravitating around this hashtag ADOS. And it became, and what I'm saying is that the groundswell was there. And then the hashtag just gave that groundswell an identity. Right. So that's, that's.

1:12:01 Well, so you're trying to rename yourself and take back the power by creating your own nape, only that got hijacked. It got hijacked because it's a lineage. It's not a political movement. My existence is not a political movement. It's who you are. It's my identity. So before we get into the ADOS movement and just how the world perceived it, let's listen to Mr. Dr. Amos Wilson speak on culture and problem solving. Looking at the question, what is culture? Horton and Hunt said from life, from their life experiences, a group develops a set of rules and procedures for meeting their needs.

1:12:50 The set of rules and procedures together with a supporting set of ideas and values is called a culture. To a great extent, you see, a culture involves a set of rules and a procedure for meeting needs. And this is the thing we have to keep in mind. You don't have a culture just to have a culture. And you don't claim a culture just because it's a culture or just because it's African. The ultimate thing that culture must do is solve problems. That's why people evolve a culture. That's why culture comes into existence

1:13:30 as a way of what? Solving problems and meeting needs. That's why, at a certain point, when a culture no longer meets the needs of a people or solves the problem confronting a people, that culture must be. be transformed. Well, there we are at the moment of transformation then. If we've got the old dinosaurs getting kicked out, and this is one of the things that I think we glossed over, including myself, because I had to start winding back and like we're at a very important moment in time.

1:14:14 Black people are finally saying, No, you're not going to call me African American. You're not, because that doesn't mean anything. You're not going to call me black because that doesn't mean anything. I'm not going to be a person of color. I'm going to identify myself. And we have several different terms that people use. We've discussed it on the show. You have ADOS, Foundational Blacks, and you have Native Blacks. But they're all saying the same thing. It's one large group of people. Now, they may be not agreeing on what they want to be called, but they do agree that you're not going to call me this anymore. I'm not going to be the term that you define for me.

1:14:53 I find using ADOS a very useful code. Okay. And I've seen, in fact, was it some guy in Australia? Maybe it was Chris Wilson. I can't remember who it was. Yeah, it was. I know he's talking about it. He threw down ADOS at someone who was in the shop somewhere he was at. And it's like, when you, there's like, it immediately opens up an entire relationship when you do that. Because I think it is universally recognized among ADOS. And when you, I mean, isn't it? Does everyone know this term or do you think it still needs some has some traction that needs to gain? Or the people that subscribe to it, it is. Now, some people want to cling to the old.

1:15:35 They even went through this with going from Negro to black. The older people wanted to cling to Negro. I mean, because that's your identity. The younger people wanted to cling to black because they wanted to redefine themselves, not realizing that they were redefining themselves to something that was pre-selected for them, but they wanted to redefine themselves. And that's where we are now because we're like, no, I'm not, I'm not a color. And I'm not the same as somebody that comes here from other places that don't have the lineage of coming. And that's the biggest problem. And that's where, as I've learned doing the show with you, that's where most of the abuse comes from is, well, you know,

1:16:21 I'm black. Yeah, but you're, and I'm from slavery. Well, it's Jamaican or, you know, other West Indies. It's not this. You do not have the same story as ADOS in America. You just don't have the same story. And you're kind of weaseling in on their action. And just think about it from the political standpoint of you have a political power that's trying to group you even to something more vague than black and to people of color or colored people. And you're trying to say, no, no, no, no, no. I want to be a subset of black. That's a problem. It's like, it's bad enough. We got to deal with you, you blacks.

1:17:03 It's like, now you want to define yourself as something as a smaller group. That's no good. Right. That's no good at all. But let's let Dr. Amos Wilson continue. There's nothing sacred about holding a culture in the face of, you know, new events and new changes. Unless, of course, you're free to do that if you're willing also to accept suicide or death. And you have that right to that choice. You know, I tell people, yeah, we have the right to say, look, we're going to hold on to this culture, even if it kills us.

1:17:41 But we should be what? Very conscious of our decision. We should not be holding on to it out of a misunderstanding of what culture is supposed to do. Ultimately, culture is supposed to solve problems and to meet the needs of the people. And a culture then has to be measured against those standards. Okay. And as he said, you can hold on to this bad culture. And he's speaking from a different time. I think this recorded maybe in the maybe late 80s, early 90s. Now, black is being defined as criminal justice reform.

1:18:22 Basically, we're criminals. We don't have fathers. We have broken homes. The crack epidemic. All of these negative things, rap music, sexually promiscuous, all these things. This is the new black culture. And it's like, oh, you don't want to find yourself as that? Because as soon as you bring up, when you say the word black, a politician says, oh, yeah, I'm all for criminal reform. Whoa, how that becomes synonymous. Right. And where's the pushback against that? And I'll just draw it again to the coronavirus with the Chinese. Where's that type of pushback to say, no, that's a small sub-segment of

1:19:04 our population, but it's not who we are as a people. But no, it's it holds political capital. So they say, oh, yeah, yeah, criminal justice. Yeah, we're going to fix that for us. Yeah. Yeah, I hadn't thought about that. But yes, that's true. That's correct. And of course, in the past, as we've seen, many of the people who stood up to help or you thought you were helping were really in on the game and keeping the power structure in place. So maybe, you know, people are wary now. Where are these strong leaders? Where is the leader of the future who's going to say they don't exist? They never existed.

1:19:46 I mean, if you go back all the way to Margaret Sanger, they never existed. I mean, everybody we talked about on the show has had a handler. Has had a handler within this. Yep, you're so right. So people are distrusting of leaders in general, which that's the school of thought I come from. And we're going to get to that. And this is why we connected intellectually. And I think really because, but we both know lizard people run the world. And I think that was one of our main connectors. And so, but so this should not be a struggle of ADOS. It's a struggle of all humankind, really, against the rulers who keep us down in many different ways.

1:20:29 Whether it's based on race or religion or sexuality, it's happening in every group. Yeah, and we all have our different paths to take to get to quote-unquote freedom. Yes, I chose the path of podcaster and it's working out so far. Right. Another one is just being financially independent outside of the global structure. We're seeing a lot of people nervous now because they bought into the globalist agenda and now your goods can't get delivered or you know, or you they can tell you, stay in the house, don't move, shut up.

1:21:08 Where are you going? Are you coming back? That's the one I'm most worried about. I'll give you my quick theory as a preview because I'll be talking about it on tomorrow's show. How beautiful is it now if we could say, all right, everybody, we made it through this one. But what we discovered is people used 40% less pollutive stuff. So our CO2 levels went down. There was less carbon in the air. We can actually beat climate change if we stay home every once in a while. We'll make it a regular thing every, you know, once every quarter, then people will stay home for five days and we'll go through this crap.

1:21:51 And look, we'll win. We'll win. And all kinds of services will help us with this. Anyway, that's my brief theory. And it's funny you had that thought because I had the same thought that I'm looking at the numbers from work and nothing's really changed. Except everybody's working from home. What's changed is you don't need the expensive offices every day. Exactly. And guess what? You're always on. Even better. You're always, you know, at nine o'clock at night, you can't say, oh, I'm not in the office. I'll get to that in the morning. No, no, no, no. Your office is at home. That's right. Look into that, Jenkins. Where are those TPS reports?

1:22:31 Right. So, yeah, there is going to be some change. And I brought that up on last show. This is going to have some long-lasting impact of change. Yes. So now we're at ADOS. ADOS itself. Well, let's get into the clip and we'll talk about afterwards. The ADOS movement is a group of persons who seek to position African American people, black American people, who are descendants of American slaves and out of that lineage in a self-aware group that has a specific justice claim due to the inherited disadvantage of slavery, Jim Crow, convict leasing, mass incarceration, redlining, and finally immigration.

1:23:17 American descendants of slaves feel that reparations are the key policy prescription and remedy. Amos Jones thinks that if the U.S. government had dealt with the country's newly freed slaves properly, the black American community would look much different than it does today from an economic standpoint. Instead, he feels discriminatory race-based laws and policies position black America. as a permanent underclass. And something needs to be done about that now. Well, yeah, stop calling it black Americans and black underclass. That would start. I mean, you have the term right there. ADOS. You got ADOS right there. Now let's call it Black Americans. Got it. Yeah, I see the fallacy.

1:23:57 Because we're not going to recognize it. We're not going to. I mean, I say we, we're talking, and this is from Turkish News TRT. This is a turkey. And I wanted to use, how does that world, how is this being communicated to the world? That's why I use this news vessel because I want to see how it's being broadcast to the world. And I didn't even catch that. They said it in the clip itself. Yeah. Oh, yes. Ados is the black, you know, black people, you know, the black, black. It's like, dude, how about, but what if you did that with pronouns? Oh, you canceled. Canceled.

1:24:40 Imagine that so-and-so wants to be recognized as this pronoun, but I'm going to call them by the pronoun I've been calling them by before. Wow, interesting. So hold on. So we have misgendering. So it'd be your preferred pronoun. So how do we use that with ADOS? You can't say your preferred lineage. You're mislineaging me, man. It doesn't sound right. We need something else. It needs to be a different. We can work on it. I'm working on the marketing side of this. I'm ahead of you already. I'm like, I'm ready to go to work.

1:25:21 So I want to let people know how this worked. You had a group of people that needed an identity because they didn't like the identity they were being used being used on them and they were being supplied with to use. So they gravitated towards this. I have to admit, ADOS is a beautiful hashtag. It's a beautiful term. Just from the linguistics of it, it rolls right off your tongue. ADOS. Even better than DOS. I mean, because it's like ADOS. I mean, it goes up and goes down. I mean, which matters when you're, as you know, you're working in marketing. When you're giving something a product a name, it has to roll off the tongue. It has to be balanced as well.

1:26:05 Yes. So ADOS is balanced. It went across the social media like wildfire. I would just like to say yes, yes, to what you said, but there's something not right about it. And I can't really put my finger on it. It's not a thing. For some reason, it feels like it's less sticky. I'm not quite sure why. I don't know why. I just have never felt that it really worked. I get it. I think part of it is pronunciation. It's familiarity with it. So that's the biggest problem is if you hear a lot of people saying ADOS, then it'll be cool. You know, if we got,

1:26:48 you know, if we had Oprah say ADOS, first of all, that would be like way too hilarious. But that term needs to come in because there's still people. For me, it even took, is it ADOS? Is it ADOS? What is it exactly? That wasn't really clear. And so it's, yes, it's good, but it has problems getting out of the gate unless it's going to. You really don't. Yes, it has to be. Everyone knows what black is. Everyone knows what African is. Everyone knows the American. They think they know what color it is. So it does warrant explanation. And I actually think the cool, particularly in today's lingo, if a lot of people would use it, it would catch on real fast.

1:27:31 But it's not. And it's not. That's why they attacked it because it was good enough to be used. Yes. To the time it really picked up. I mean, we saw it, like you said, with the Tea Party. Beautiful. It's self-explanatory. It's like Tea Party. Oh, yeah, like, you know, like the Boston Tea Party. Okay. I mean, I get it. But look how they said, no, we're going to have, we got to rebrand this as this or that. They did the same thing. Oh, they're bots. They're Russian bots. So that's why that move, that was a strategic plan to, no, no, we can't let this pick up steam.

1:28:09 And they actually rebranded it as a hate group. And the equivalent to is MAGA, which is another beautiful. Yes. Yeah, you're right. It's almost the end. It's the exact MAGA. Well, interestingly. Well, interestingly, I think they're both the same thing. If you can take the black and white out of it. They are. are. It's the same thing, but they're both positive in my mind. If you look at the origins, you know, of course, anything can be explained any way you want it. But in essence, it's just a term people just want. They want to say, hey, we're building something.

1:28:54 We're going to be a part of something. And ADOS needs to, where are the hats, man? Where's my ADOS hat? Well, that's a whole nother story for another day. We're going to get into what happened with them. But let's get into this second clip from TRT. We're making that claim now because we're getting to a dire point here. As of what we see on the horizon, a $70 trillion wealth transfer from baby boomers to their issue. We know that we're living a reflection wealth-wise of our grandparents. And if your grandparents were in a Jim Crow ghetto, which all black Americans were with few exceptions in this country due to those policies that we just discussed, then we're going to be in a world of trouble and we will have nothing and be nothing and we will never be able to climb out.

1:29:37 And that's not fair because we built the country for free. But should the solution lean so heavily on financial compensation? Dr. Carter thinks that the approach to reparations should be more comprehensive. Right. We're essentially trying to fix something that was broken. And there are a number of ways to approach that. And we were talking about the African-American communities. This can happen on a number of dimensions. And that doesn't necessarily mean every individual person who is black gets some amount of money. Because when we monetize it and you do do that, so take money in exchange for your pain. That transaction essentially says that we are done here, right?

1:30:19 Legally, I have fixed you. And therefore, I don't want to hear anything else about it. And I think what we're talking about when we're thinking about reparations is the more holistic picture. And that is not going to be fixed with one check. Yes, it will. Yes, it will. I want people to make a mental note of this. When you start talking about cash money, then people, oh, no, well, we don't really want to check. You know, we're in a holistic approach. No, that's not how this world works. Everything, you know, you could, however, whatever, when you take people to court for pain and suffering or whatever, it's a check.

1:31:03 Yes, when you sign an NDA to shut up about being sexually harassed at work and you get a big check, it's how it works. Hey, we're over it. We're past it. We come to a dollar amount. Go ahead. Well, what's interesting is, you know, we're now about to give every man, woman, and child in America within certain limits a check, an actual check. The mechanism exists. It can actually be done. Lo and behold. No, Curry, no. You can't solve these people problem with cash. We need a holistic approach. Imagine if they try to fly that. You know, you stuck in your house.

1:31:47 But give me holistic, holistic answers to your problems. Yes. What does that exist outside of holistic? Holistic is Greek for bullshit, by the way. Just letting you know. Right. No, if we get to the right number and just set it aside, ain't it amazing how they came up with that $2 trillion so fast? Oh, yeah. When it involves white people, elites. And to be honest with you, I'm just going to be 100% frank with you. If white people wasn't going to spend that money with the real white people, they wouldn't care either. Yeah, good point. It's like we got to keep the wheels greased, you know, to keep our corporations running.

1:32:32 That's what that's all about. But it's just amazing. Nobody's going to say, oh, you know, those people over here, over there, they're not prepared to get this thousand or two thousand dollar check. You know, we can't just put cash inside their hands. Yeah, yeah, because, you know, they won't know how they won't spend it right. It's exactly the same conversation. Now, I've thought of this many times throughout this, this, we're going to cut everybody a check business. I'm like, wow, isn't that interesting? I thought that wasn't possible. Did you need a committee? Don't we need a committee? Yeah, don't we need a counsel to figure out if this is going to work or not? And then we need a study. Nope. Two trillion. There you go. And then we're going to cut checks to everybody. But when it comes to us, oh, we just don't have it right now.

1:33:18 And this is a pro-ADOS lady talking. It's because whoever power structure she's under, they're like, oh, yeah, we're entertaining you. But when it. when the rubber meets the road, it's nailing the ash cash. No check for you, no, no cash. Yeah, so you asked the question about what happened to ADOS, the political group. I'm making clear that I have to do this because if not, my inbox will load up. We're talking about ADOS, the political group. Well, I thought everybody was on code of that was pushing the ADOS, Foundational Black, Native Black, exiting the Democratic control that we're not voting if we don't get anything tangible.

1:34:04 Well, the leadership of ADOS went off code. Every word matters at this moment. Part of the reason that we're talking voting down ballot Democrat is to make it clear that we're not a right-wing propaganda tool. Because right now, the four Ds come into play. Dismiss, divide, destroy. You know, they're essentially trying to gut us and call us right-wing when actually we're just demanding a black agenda. So as a result, we can't give any fuel to the fire. And I think what I'm seeing right now is an inability to really understand how important that is.

1:34:46 Imagery, how important it is to cast this thing. That's what it is. Look, black folks since 74 have voted 90% Democrat. Black folks. When you look at Latinos in the last election, 65% of Latinos voted for the Democrats, 35% voted for Trump. When you look at whites since 74, their rate of vote for the Republicans has been over 50%. And for the Democrats, it's been like 40%. The Democratic Party is our party. The problem is that we haven't called on them with the specific black agenda and demanded of them what they owe us.

1:35:29 You don't walk away from what somebody owes you and say it's because they don't want to recognize you without making a haymaker of a case. And that's what we're doing right now. So that's Antonio Moore, right? Yep. No good. So how come he doesn't even use the term ADOS himself? I'm telling you we talk about black folk, black folk, black folks. That's a good question. That's a very good question. And I know that's a pet people, but that's a very, honestly, that is a very good question. I mean, now that you've brought it to my attention, I'm like, I mean, the number one thing you want to do if you're trying to launch a term,

1:36:10 you want to use your own, you want to use your own branding. You're exactly right. But this was this litmus test I was talking about because me personally, I always, when I brought up the term ADOS, I let people know I'm talking lineage, not political group. Right. Lineage, not political group. I don't think, I don't think ADOS even got enough runway to even be remembered as a as part of it being a political group. It was, it was squashed so early on that I don't think the term is tainted. Well, they didn't like the leadership of the political group. Well, no. They didn't like the term.

1:36:49 We have to go. Think about that logic. I have to go vote Democrat so I don't seem like a white, a right-wing Republican group. Right. To show the Democrats my power. No, no, that's the trick you've been. That's the football that keeps getting swooped away from you. And when he said that, it was like all the air went out of the movement. Went out of the movement. Yeah. Because it's like, you failed the test. The test is, and it's, and even for me, folks, even for me, if I come up here talking about, starts to talk about, well, yeah, no, you know, I'm warming up to this guy, you know, even though he ain't going to give us nothing.

1:37:31 You know, I mean, he makes me feel good. Yeah, but I would, I would bring the hammer down on your head so fast, man. Please give you a check. No worries. Please. No, because what needs to happen is if we're going to be, and this goes back to what we're saying about a culture, a culture is about problem solving. So we're forming this culture to solve a problem that we've been neglected for, you know, since the end of slavery. Oh, yeah, you're going to get yours. You're going to get your vote. We're talking four more years. Vote. We're talking four more years. Now it's like, oh, you got to put something down on it. We need a deposit. We need something. You know, it's no more talking.

1:38:14 But that's when he went off the rails when, and their whole political group talking about voting down ballot, because that's a con game in itself. Yeah. Who actually vote? We vote straight ticket in America. America. Everyone flips the top switch, boom, good to go. Yeah, we either drink Coca-Pepsi, that's how we roll. You know what I'm saying? You bring up the point of washing powders. That's how we, that's how we choose. So when he was like you were herding people into the ballot box, and you know how they're going to vote. They're not going to sit there and check off every politician. And as an aside, we all know that Tyd really is the best.

1:38:55 We'll table that conversation. Trying to learn something here. All right. So with that said, he got pushback from Tyreek Nasheed. Who is Tariq Nasheed again? Who is he again? He is the creator of the foundational black American movement. Right. And he's a film, a documentary maker and not a political pundit, but a racial pundit. But if he's if his definition is foundational black, then he would, I guess, not want to see ADOS take off

1:39:40 if he's looking at that definition, or does he not mind? I think everybody was moving in the same direction, even though it was different names. The naming thing wasn't the concern, it's that everybody's watching everybody to see, okay, I'm listening. I'm just going to do what? Yeah. And I wasn't just picking on Karen Hunter. Every black person now that talks. Every ADOS. Well, I said black for a reason because we're talking about the non-ADOS as well, which that they're in high population in the talking head circle. Yes. We vet them and say, okay, this is the list of things.

1:40:22 Are they talking about voting? Yes or no. Are they talking about reparations? Yes or no. And when they say reparations, do they mean cash? Do they mean a check? Or do they mean some kind of a holistic approach? A meeting. Right, right. No. And if you don't pass that litmus test, then you have no more say-so in the conversation. And this is the inverse. This is how the council culture is being used against itself. It's like, no, we can cancel you. You know, no, you don't exist anymore. Well, that is the ultimate, the ultimate weapon that every American has is you got your vote.

1:41:02 That's the one thing everybody has. And welcome to the true power. If you can get all the votes that you want lined up for what you want them to do, you have real power. But when they could use nostalgia, control leadership to force you into what their expected outcome to be is we didn't realize that power. But that's why I keep going back to 2007 with the invention of this easily movement of information. The information age was here, but the actual easily moving information, man, it really put a huge problem.

1:41:42 I would go out and let me say this: if Barack Obama had decided to run in 2016 instead of 2008, he would have lost. He would have lost. Yeah. Well, this show is part of that movement, Mo. It goes very slow. These things move much slower than you want them to. I think it's moving fast, though. These things move slower than you'd like. I really think they do. I got time. Me too. Yeah, I got time. So, I mean, but what I mean, the reason why I'm saying it's moving fast is you've seen Kamala Harris get rendered to nothing. And rightly so.

1:42:25 Yeah, Corey Booker couldn't even get off the ground. You've seen Minnie Mike, you know, the people in the church turn their back on him. And then that, you know, it got broadcasted around the world. A billionaire was taken down. So these things are moving a lot fast. And this is why this is the show in a nutshell, what I'm talking about. The fact that I had time to slow down, take a step back. Those set of clips I started out with, I was headed in another direction, in a negative direction. But I had to stop and think, like, wow, we got them on the ropes.

1:43:10 If this thing not pan out in 2020, they're going to have to have a whole new team. Everybody has to go. And that's that's a lot of power in a short amount of time. Well, yes. And I think it's very well known. And I think they're having them on the ropes may be true because I see the conversation. I see how they're talking. I see everything they're doing to pander. And it's they don't have a lot of ammo left, really. I mean, Joe Biden has zero credibility except for, you know, I'm sure older people and, you know, who just like, I like Barack kind of, whatever.

1:43:57 I'm sure they still fall into the trap. But I don't see him having any credibility with ADOS at all. In fact, quite the opposite. Imagine if Obama tried to select him as his running mate now. It's like, oh, Barack, what are you doing? Oh, you wrote the crime bill. Yeah, no. That never came up in 08. No, the game has obviously changed. Yes, obviously. And there is some scrambling going on. I agree. And it's beautiful. I'm loving it. That's why I said I'm here today to let people know I am at a place in my life. Yeah, I'm on a high. I didn't realize what I was saying. I knew it.

1:44:36 I saw it. But I didn't really. Well, now is the time for ADOS to strike. I mean, once Bernie's out of the way, which is, I think, clearly going to happen, the time will be when Biden is the official candidate, whoever it is, that's the time to strike. That's when the doomsday clock, to use that analogy, for this time that we live in is going to be the voter turnout. That number. Yes. Which I think already at this point, in my mind, I think it's already enough to

1:45:16 prevent any Democrat from winning the general election. I think there's enough already who are not going to turn out that it's already a foregone conclusion. So when that number comes in, I think what we say was 63, then it went to 57. I'm going off the top of the head here, folks. Yeah. But Barack in 2012 was 63. 2016, Hillary got 57. If that number goes below 50, we got a whole new ball game. Yes. Well, we have a whole new ballgame. The machine will have to ratchet up some racism talk about Trump.

1:45:56 It don't work. It doesn't work. But that's all they know what to do. So that's the only thing they've got. Whether it works or not, I don't think they've got no more bullets. And I'm glad you brought that up because our first show, we brought up one thing that I haven't mentioned in this show. When Trump uttered those words, what do you have to lose? That's a bell that couldn't be unrung. Yeah. And he's using it again, by the way, in the coronavirus fight. He's brought it up again. But this isn't clear. And he should. Yes. Because that's a. It's powerful. Yeah, it's a very powerful statement.

1:46:42 If you have nothing to lose, inversely, that means you have everything to gain. Yeah. And that sent ripples through the community, right? People were talking about that. It made you start to reassess the whole thing. Like, hey, your schools are bad. You mean your neighborhoods are bad. It's like, you got a point there. And he'll be promising this stuff for 40 years. I mean, at least if you can start going back to like the 1960s when we talked about when black people really pivoted to start voting Democratically. Yeah. So let's just get back on track here and let's listen to Tariq Nasheed's reply.

1:47:23 My position and everybody. ADOS is a lineage, but then it's also created by a movement of politics, a very succinct politics around the black agenda and reparation. Okay, so right there, it's okay, it's a lineage, but it's a movement based around politics. So it's a political group, brother. Okay, okay, well, say that. Let me get it back to me. This is what I'm saying. Go say that and just be very upfront with it. This is a political group that they have that they've named the same thing so that it could be conflated. That's him saying it's a lineage, but it's also this political thing too.

1:48:03 So it's a group that they've conflated with the lineage. So when you speak about the lineage, by proxy, you're speaking about the group and you're bigger the group up. It's two things. That's very deceptive. deceptive. That's very deceptive. That's deceptive. You ain't talking about lineage no more. So if a person out here just saying, yeah, I'm ADOS, and you're thinking, okay, I'm just supporting the lineage, and then they're using that, Tony Nevet. Well, that's that's a member of, that's he's in my group. That's my group member. I'm the leader of. You understand? We're a lineage. You tell me who to vote for. Yeah, he has a good point there. It's a debate and switch. Can't argue that. Can't argue it.

1:48:48 You can't because it happened to me. But I mean, I'm aware enough to always preface my statements. I was like, okay, I got to see where this is headed. Because we've, like I said, if you know the history of NAACP and these other groups, it's like, wait a minute, where is this headed? So, I mean, he brings up an excellent point. So, what ideally we want, it was laid out by Malcolm X. And this is another throwback clip from Show Number 19.

1:49:28 The political philosophy of black nationalism only means that the black man should control the politics and the politicians in his own community. The time when white people can come in our community and get us to vote for them so that they can be our political leaders and tell us what to do and what not to do is long gone. By the same token, the time when that same white man, knowing that your eyes are too far open, can send another Negro into the community, get you and me to support him so he can use him to lead us astray.

1:50:12 Those days are long gone. No, they're not. Yes, they are. No, they're not because it's still happening. Oops, sorry. It's happening, but it's not effective. And that's the what you're seeing now on MSNBC, CNN, and these other news channels, they're running in place. It's the twitching of the corpse. Is that what you're saying? That's exactly what it is. They're running in place. They're going nowhere fast because the votes you were going to get, you're going to get.

1:50:55 I'm not being naive and say, oh, well, but you're going to get those votes anyway. People already have that Tuesday marked on their calendar that they had to go vote. So you're not increasing the turnout. What you're doing is you're overplaying your hand. And the more you talk, the more you're exposing yourself. The worse you make it. Yeah. And I'm enjoying it. And they haven't figured that out yet. And another point I want to bring up is he uses the term nationalism. Yes. Now, if you notice, nationalism has become very popular again. Yes. When we talk about, oh, we need to manufacture some more stuff in America now, the medicines. And so why wouldn't we want that in our own communities?

1:51:40 Well, you do, of course. Yes, but now, but that used to be a nasty word less than a month ago to use. Well, things do change. This is true. And we've seen some monumental shifts. What I guess, I only know through you how big the ADOS movement is. I mean, you're the gateway for me. I can't trust anybody I see on television or here in the media in general. But apply the test to them. That goes for anybody, all the listeners out there, apply the test. And how do they wrap up their talk points? It's like, oh, yeah, no, that's why we need to go out and vote on Tuesday.

1:52:23 No. No. No, no, I understand, but what I'm saying is the ADOS, the hashtag ADOS cultural movement is largely invisible because it's being kept invisible. But it's there. It's like it's bigger. And that's the point I'm trying to make: it's bigger than ADOS. It's there. I mean, now, what you want to call it. Right, it doesn't need the term. The vibe is there. Yeah, and they fed off the vibe to create the term. It's not, the term didn't create the vibe. And that's why I'm trying to communicate here. You've communicated it. I get it.

1:53:03 But that's why I'm asking. Okay, now I understand. It's there. And that's the point of this whole episode. is to let people know. No, they didn't, whoever coined that term didn't create the movement. It was already there. It just gravitated towards that and easily recognizable terms. And I've heard you predict it, but is the movement strong enough? But I disagree with sending the Democrats a message. I mean, I think there's other ways you can go about it if this truly this movement, because you're still going after the people who have promised you the football for 40 years and you're still going to play with them, although you're going to reverse, you know, flip the script by not turning out.

1:53:44 Do you really think it's big enough that the turnout will be so low that it will make that difference, that it will cause any Democrat to lose? And it will be because of this swelling feeling of we just turn it as ADOS for now? 57 already had them losing. If nothing changes from 2016, they're already in a losing position. And it's not that we're, I'm speaking personally now. It's not that I am going to run to the other side and vote, but me not voting helps the other side. You understand? I mean, that's why I always bring up the term negative vote. Right.

1:54:23 That is a real thing because it's, you know what? I know what me not going on Tuesday, that what that I understand that power. I don't have to go vote for the other side. I'm not going to mislead them or misconstrue the fact that I'm all on board with you either. No, I'm sitting back and says, what do you have to offer? Well, okay, but so you're still going to be sitting around waiting for them to offer something, even though if it's not this time around, it's in two years or in four years. Someone's going to have to grab this donkey by the reins and make something happen. Someone's got to stand up. You talk about from the group? Yes, of course.

1:55:06 No, no, no, no. And we're going to get there. That was the whole topic of the show is about. When we put the ISO clip, we don't have to do anything. And I'll explain why, but let's wrap up with the second clip from Ballot of the Bullet. We must understand the politics of our community. And we must know what politics is supposed to produce. We must know what part politics play in our lives. And until we become politically mature, we will always be misled, led astray, or deceived, or maneuvered into supporting someone politically who doesn't have the good of our community at heart.

1:55:53 So the political philosophy of black nationalism only means that we will have to carry on a program, a political program of re-education to open our people's eyes, make us become more politically conscious, politically mature. And then we will, whenever we get ready to cast our ballot, that ballot will be classed for, will be cast for a man of the community who has the good of the community at heart. All right. I think that was used for Barack Obama a couple times. Yeah, and it's politics. Yes. It's what do you have to offer me in the next four years?

1:56:35 And it's kind of like we're voting mercenaries. Not loyal to anything, but to the purse. Because what has loyalty got us this far? Nothing. Now, what we could do is we could do Trump a solid and not vote. And see, you know what I'm saying? Then see, he says, okay, well, you met me halfway. A non-vote is meeting him halfway. Now, what are you going to put on the table? You're trying to get this new party off the ground, which I believe that's what he's trying to do. I think MAGA is going to be a political party more than a political movement. Okay, interesting.

1:57:20 Is there enough on the table to entice us to come over? Is there a spot? Right, right, right. Yeah. Oh, I like that. This is where we're at. No more freebies. No, I got you. We're no more freebies. That's a great way of looking. Freebies. Yeah, you might vote. And we've been freebying it for 40 years. No, no more. Now, you gave me a perfect alley, and I'm oop it to leaving one, this is the quote-unquote plantation and then going to the other plantation.

1:58:02 And then what that is, the analogy is. the Democratic Party is a plantation. It has black people on there for so long. We've been hearing a lot of prominent figures say this literally: leave the Democratic plantation. Yes. Well, it was formalized under the term Blexit. What do you get when you mix the words black and exit? A new political movement which wants to make black people stop supporting Democrats. But how does Kanye fit in? All right, top of our newsfeed at Kanye West and Blexit. Now, as we know, Kanye, or Ye, as he now wants to be known, has been a vocal supporter of President Trump from the very beginning. And running alongside this has been a movement which has now officially called itself Blexit.

1:58:46 Basically, it tells black Americans to leave the Democratic Party and vote Republican. And its founders suggested Kanye was part of it. But overnight, Kanye West said no. My eyes are now wide open, and I now realize I've been used to spread messages I don't believe in. I am distancing myself from politics and completely focusing on being creative. Confused? Well, thankfully, Akunksha's here to explain. Right. So this was the movement spearheaded by Candace Owens. Correct. And this is the second ground swell. And I don't know if I've used that word, but this is the second one. We were leaving anyway.

1:59:31 Yeah. The term Blexit didn't make us. It's like, we're like, we were comfortably with, oh, I'm going to vote Democratic. And then the term came along, Blexit. It's like, oh, you know what? That's interesting. Let me look into that. We were headed that way anyway. But she comes along and coins the term, or there's stories out there that she stole the term for some other person, but that's here nor there. It's like, hold on, what is this Blexit thing? Right. But then Kanye felt that he was being, because I think it was Candace who was talking, you know, made it sound like Kanye was a part of it. And it was. And his art was being used on some merchandise. And so,

2:00:14 and I think that, you know, someone got swept up thinking that you can, once you got Kanye saying, okay, that you got him because you don't. It's just not how Kanye is. They were trying to leverage his celebrity to fuel their movement. And it's too bad because I think a lot of the right people were there. And I think Kanye was the right person to bring into it. But that was completely mismanaged. It was. And it was a cheat. It was trying to cut corners. Big time. Let the person know what your plans is, you know, and then if they're on board, then you do it. But it was like, oh, we want it for a quick boost. Yeah, quick PR hit. Yeah, we want to associate Kanye with this movement, which he was not.

2:00:57 And they took the one thing they never should have done. They took his art, whether it's musical art or drawing, that's the one thing you don't touch that. And that was where they saw that happen. Like, oh, you stupid morons. Because Candace Owens has great points that she makes, but I'm fair. One thing you'll learn about me, I judge equally, no matter what you're saying, I judge your actions. And I put the same litmus test to Blexit and Mrs. Owens as I do with anybody else. You could be saying the right things, but I mean, how are you going to finish your sentence?

2:01:41 What's the sale? You could get me all riled up, but what's the sale at the end? Let's get into Blexit too. Blexit is short for Black Exit. It's a call for Black Americans to stop supporting the Democratic Party. Blexit's website says the movement is the individual journeys of free thinkers across the country and a place for those who have released themselves from the political orthodoxy. That is from their long-standing support for Democrats. Conservative activist Candace Owens explained the movement during its launch last weekend.

2:02:23 We will color these cities like this room looks colored with positivity and with hope. Progress that can only come from a change of mindset. Blexit is a renaissance, and I'm blessed to say that this logo, these colors, were created by my dear friend and fellow superhero, Kanye West. Yeah, also fellow superhero. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No. Nope, nope, nope. So she comes in, and you know, she sounds good. sounds good on paper, you know. It was a monumental mistake.

2:03:06 It was. And another thing she says, we're changing people's minds. These people's minds were already changed. Well, it was just you gave them something to rally around. That's part of her superhero. She thinks that she's a superhero. I didn't. I'm sure I heard her say that, but I didn't register the first time I heard. Now I'm here. I'm like, no, no, no, no, it's wrong. It's dumb. Well, this is what happens when you're propped up as a leader. Yeah, amateur. Quote-unquote leader, you start believing in yourself. It's like, oh, yeah, I'm making these people. No, the people already are looking for something to rally around. You just gave them a turn around, which Blexit is another great term. It is. Yeah, it is. Yeah, Brexit, it's great, but it was mismanaged, mishandled.

2:03:51 And I think it's tainted now. You can't use it anymore. It's tainted the same way ADOS is. Yep. But it doesn't mean that it doesn't represent something that's real. True. This is the narrative that I'm following here. But let's get into Blexit 3. Kanye West was linked to this movement immediately. He's previously described her as a friend and tweeted this. I love the way Candace Owens thinks. But now he has denied involvement with the campaign, tweeting. I introduced Candace to the person who made the logo, and they didn't want their name on it, so she used mine. I never wanted any association with Blexit. I have nothing to do with it. Kanye has had a difficult time with his mental health recently.

2:04:36 He's told the world he has been off his medication and has had to apologize for inaccurate claims made on multiple occasions about the history of slavery in the United States. Saying it was a choice. Oh my God. Don't even go there. This is from TRT. The same Turkish Turkish. But that was the narrative. That was the created narrative. Is that, and dude, I heard the millennial white girl saying that, I don't like Kanye. He's racist. He says it was a choice. They didn't even look at what he said or listen. That's just how it went around the Twitter. Like, oh, man, I can't believe you said that. It was not a choice. And they don't even understand where he's coming from.

2:05:19 And he's crazy and off his meds. That's right. Yes. Yes. And then it became like, well, you know, he has problems. So it's just, you know, poor Kanye. Which is another way of marginalizing someone. And I want to make one more point here. Even for myself, just a little inside baseball. If I happen to put a red hat on, it could be very lucrative for me. That is not missed on me. If I put on my YouTube channel, put a Make America Great Again hat on. Yeah. I could make a ton of money.

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2:13:55 I noticed on YouTube, it was a ton of these content creators start putting MAGA hats on. And their numbers started flying through the roof. And that was after what? After what? After the Blexit. Okay. All right. Yeah. At the rise of Candace Owens, you start seeing content creators putting the MAGA hat on because one, it'll boost your numbers through the roof. Two, money in the bank. Two, money in the bank. In the bank. Interesting. One of these people that I noticed was, and he's also co-founder, help found Blexit, was Brandon Tatum.

2:14:34 Do you feel it breaking? Because the other thing I said to you right before we started was the day that all the Democrats started talking about reparations, I called Candidus and I said, This is because of you. She caused such a freaking split where it needed to happen that suddenly the Democrats were like, All right, guys, we're starting to lose you. I got some cash. Stay with us. Here's a whole coal hard cash. And what's the number? I mean, that's the other thing. It's like, there's never going to be a number that's enough, right? Yeah. You know, it's because reparations and upset is the stupidest idea ever. What? Can you run that last 15 seconds back? Yes. What the heck did he just say? It was the stupidest. Hold on a second. Here we go. And what's the number?

2:15:18 I mean, that's the other thing. It's like, there's never going to be a number that's enough, right? Yeah. You know, it's because reparations and upset is the stupidest idea ever. Now, who is that saying that? That's Brandon Tatum. He's one of the co-founders of Blexit. And if you notice, he's also the, he's one, he's Candace's colleague, right? Yeah, yes. And if you notice, Reuben led him saying, oh, the numbers, it's never going to be enough, right? Right? So they're both kind of anti. Well, or to wear the red hat. Right. And I'm not, I'm not linking this to Trump himself because a lot of people have to put their hat on to make a profit.

2:15:56 What I'm saying is you have to stay in bounds, just like the lady with the TRT clip when she was talking about all fine with rep. Oh, yeah, we need reparations, but it needs to be comprehensive. It's a cop-out. It's either a cop-out because you're really playing for the other team and you're a trickster, or it's a cop-out because you're a pussy. They're establishment on both sides. Yes. There's no way he can say, oh, yeah, I'm for reparations. No, he said it's the dumbest thing ever. Ever. Yeah. Ever. Where was this interview done? This was on the Rubin report.

2:16:39 Hmm. Interesting. So, and he, and Ruben, I forget his first name, but Ruben led him like Dave Rubin. Right? Right? There's no number. They never come up with a number, right? What do you mean? It's amazing how all these people into politics. One thing is that, oh, no, we don't know the number. Cause you $1.5 trillion, just like that, to Wall Street. Right. From the Federal Reserve. Then we double down with another half a trillion, just like that.

2:17:18 Thousand dollar checks to everybody, just like that. But when it's come to pay a debt that's owed, let's make sure I clarify that. Not looking for a handout. Right. I'm looking to be made whole. Like Lawyer says, I'm looking to be made whole. Yes. Now, of course, if you're thinking you're going to be made whole just from a political party, that's never going to happen. So. Oh, no, I mean, that's no, no, it's an exercise in power. I understand. Yeah, it's not. I'm not going to say, well, when I next check shows up, I'll be a complete human. I'm already that. Yeah. But what I'm saying is when people it's going to do one of two things: one, either we can work together or two, leave me alone.

2:18:03 Yes. If you're not talking what I'm talking, leave me alone. I got better stuff to do. Don't waste my time. And I'm not going to waste your airtime putting people on there. It's not going to resonate with me. So, I mean, let's do each other a favor or put up a shut up. But Mr. Brandon Tatum, aka dumbest thing ever. He continues on about reparations. We pay taxes still, but they're going to not let us pay taxes. I'm going to pay for my own reparations if I were to get it. Think about this. How much money are they going to give you? Well, they'll tell you that they're going to take it from billionaires. Yeah, they give you how much, though. A thousand dollars ain't going to do nothing. People blow that in the weekend. $10,000 is nothing. $20,000, $30,000, generational change, $100,000 may not be enough.

2:18:46 And then if you don't know anything, if you're not educated, you don't even think about finances, your $100,000 is going to last you, what, I don't know, four months. I've had a friend that had $2 million. I think she got $2 million from a settlement, blew it all, have nothing to show for it. That's not what you just giving somebody money is not going to help them at all. But that's well, and also it never would be enough, not just the literal amount, but like, okay, so let's say you gave every black person $50,000. Just pick up a number. Well, now you're two generations past that, right? And if the left just keeps going off the deep end, their grandchildren are going to go, wait, you sold us out for 50 grand? True. That was nothing. True. You know, it just, it's almost the reverse of the way human psychology actually works.

2:19:28 Right. And then, you know, you know, everybody knows when you give a person something, you just hand somebody something, they don't appreciate it as much. What kind of growth potential? Give me a better education. I don't need reparations and money. Wow, these guys sound like two of the dumbest guys ever. Wow. Hey, by the way, by the way, by the way, this is so there's actually an ADOS man sitting there saying, we too stupid. We can't handle our money. Exactly. Too stupid. And if some can't handle it, none of them should get it. Yeah. Disappointing, man. Where's the logic? But he, when he put that hat on, it's parameter. It is not only on the left.

2:20:11 And that's the whole point of what I'm saying here. We're not, I beat up on the left a lot. I do. But it's not only on the left. Of course not. Of course not. I mean, but I'm just saying, because before the narrative was, but Republicans don't care anyway. So, I mean, they're not even entertaining it. Which is also not true. It's not true. But I'm just the narrative. So it's like now when they finally have people that they want to put in the spotlight, it's like, here's your script. It's nail on the reparations. No, no, no. And you have to double down. It's disappointing. It's the biggest thing ever. It's disappointing from Dave Rubin. I thought he was smarter than that. Well, he's in the same position that Brandon Tatum is in.

2:20:57 I mean, this is, like, you always make the point that this is not color. No. He has his people. This, hey, hey, Dave, don't get Brandon on there and get out of line. Get caught up in the moment. Well, but he also doesn't have advertising. I'm not quite sure how we, you know, he had Patreon. He was very, very successful with a lot of that. I know. This was a disappointing one. But when you don't get the invites, it's bigger than money. Like, Dave's over there talking crazy. You don't get the invite. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right. Yes, he does cross over into mainstream and gets invited on shows.

2:21:39 Yeah, you're right. The reason why I say that is Drew McCaskill said that. Yeah, we went to the Brunches and the Galilas. And yeah, it's bigger than just money. It's the influence and the access you get. But the beautiful thing about the internet and the YouTube is let's miss the, let's listen to Mr. Brandon Tatum view on shit, everybody get $1,000. Let's talk about a few things here. There has been talk about everybody in America getting $1,000, right? You have the left and then you have President Trump. You have the irrational and then you have the rational.

2:22:22 I think it's legitimate that because the government decided to shut down travel, shut down business, that the government should in some form or fashion stimulate the economy by subsidizing workers and people who own businesses. That makes perfect sense to me. Now, if you're busy. business shut down because you have foul practices, that's on you. That's not the government. But if the government is responsible for arbitrarily saying that we need to shut down our whole economy because of this virus that's going around, which I have my opinions about, then I think it's the government that should subsidize. But reparations is the dumbest idea ever. No problem again. Why he's using logic?

2:23:04 Well, it's going to be people out there to misuse that thousand dollars. So nobody should get a thousand dollars. Because they're stupid. Where's that logic at? You see what? Yeah, I see it. That's the red hat effect. And I'm not, like I said, I'm not putting this on Trump, but I'm putting this on he has to cater to his audience. And that's that's the beauty of what we do here. We say what we feel, and then our audience gravitates towards us. Yep. It's not like, hey, Adam, you know, we need to make sure these five points. Yeah. How annoying would that be? Along those lines, though, having done this once, we'll set an interesting template.

2:23:46 You know, the next time the demand bubbles up, reparations, well, with MMT, modern monetary theory, which is being applied here because this money is, by the way, the Federal Reserve overnight money is not quite, it's not exactly U.S. money. So we're going to come up with probably closer to $2 trillion to fix this two-week shutdown, if you can believe it or not. There's a lot more where that comes from. That's just me looking at the overall new way that money is working. And as long as we're the reserve currency of the world, we can print as much as we want.

2:24:29 And I think we should for a lot of different reasons, but this would be a good one. It goes against everything that I've learned, by the way, about the federal, you know, the principles of money. But I think they're being thrown out the window now. I got some Bitcoin just in case, but I think it really doesn't matter anymore. So the template will be set and the demand could come and it could happen. And obviously, we can make it happen pretty quick. And the litmus test is not exclusive to reparations. It's tangible. Is it something that I can see, touch, feel? You know, so if you come to me and say, well,

2:25:08 ADOS community, what we can come up with is, say, a trillion dollars in no interest loans and we'll make you tax exempt. Okay, we can start there. We can start. You see what that's tangible. I can work with that. Now, we'll do this for four years. Right. And we'll come back to the table and do another bargaining, another bargaining agreement. But just to say, and like I said, Dave said, oh, there's no number. There's no number that we can find. Thank you, Dave, for negotiating on behalf of ADOS. But it's funny that these people like Candace Owens and Brandon Tatum and others

2:25:56 supporters of Trump, which I use that very loosely because I think for some, it's a money grab. They love to throw around the name MLK, but for their own purpose, see, this is where I go back again, him being a tool because they like to represent their blackness because their blackness is in question automatically. Because when you put that red hat on, the automatic assumption is your coon. Let's just be honest with you. Yes, of course. So then they'll come, well, you know, MLK was a Republican and they use all the talking points. But it's one talking point that they never ever use. MLK were coming to get our check.

2:26:36 At the very same time that America refused to give the Negro any land through an act of Congress, our government was giving away millions of acres of land in the West and the Midwest, which meant that it was willing to undergird its white peasants from Europe with an economic floor. But not only did they give the land, they built land-grant colleges with government money to teach them how to farm. Not only that, they provided county agents to further their expertise in farming. Not only that, they provided low interest rates in order that they could mechanize their farms.

2:27:21 Not only that, today many of these people are receiving millions of dollars in federal subsidies not to farm. And they are the very people telling the black man that he ought to lift himself by his own bootstraps. bootstraps. This is what we are faced with. And this is the reality. Now, when we come to Washington and this campaign, we are coming to get our check. Yay. Have you ever heard that before? I don't think so. No. I don't think I've ever heard that we're coming to get our check. So he was. He was fit the narrative. Right. But reparations was in his mind.

2:28:08 This is 68. That's why I said he was. Now, I'll stand behind that point that he was the greater of his time. Yes. But as he became a man and started to mature more, he started to see, huh? This doesn't make any sense. That doesn't make any sense. Maybe we need to pivot here, pivot there. But no, no, no, that doesn't fit inside the image that we need. Why is that not on the more you know commercial? We're coming to get our check. The more you know, you know. That's a good one. And that's that. Which speech is that from? That's not even from a speech. It's was that a speech? Was a sermon? What was it? Yeah, it's from a speech. I don't have the speech right offhand, but it was in 1968, towards the end of his life.

2:28:53 So, yeah, that was past the point of no, uh-uh, you asked for your civil rights, your integration, but you asked for a check. No, but I was just making the point that they love to use, everybody loves to use him as a how they as a tool, how they see fit, but none of them ever represent him in this light. And that's always how icons are used posthumously. Right. And this leads me to the point of why leaders are not necessary. I know we disagreed on this point, but the simple question here would support where I stand at. How do schools of fish swim in harmony?

2:29:35 How do schools of fish swim in harmony? And how do the tiny cells in your brain give rise to the complex thoughts, memories, and consciousness that are you? Oddly enough, those questions have the same general answer. Emergence or the spontaneous creation of sophisticated behaviors and functions from large groups of simple elements. Like many animals, fish stick together in groups. But that's not just because they enjoy each other's company. It's a matter of survival. Schools of fish exhibit complex swarming behaviors that help them evade hungry predators, while a lone fish is quickly singled out as easy prey.

2:30:20 So which brilliant fish leader is the one in charge? Actually, no one is. And everyone is. So what does that mean? Okay. I've always used this term schools of fish and flocks of birds. That's how we need to be. Well, yes. And the way to do that in 2020 is online. And that needs to be done away from the established media networks because that's never going to happen. That will not be allowed. That will be blocked. That will be delisted. That will be de-platformed.

2:30:59 It has to happen on the open internet. And the beauty of it is, as I illustrated in this whole episode, they already had happened. You had people exiting en masse from voting Democratic. Yes. Nobody was like, Blexit tried to take credit for it, but that was already happening. These conversations were already being had amongst me and my friends. Right. But I doubt if a movement like that would swell again on Twitter. I think that gets suppressed now. I think people are onto it and we can't have that happening. And it's not that it doesn't make it possible. I'm just saying it came to my attention through hashtags and through Twitter. All of it.

2:31:43 And then it gets hijacked, discredited, chopped down, sent away. Doesn't mean that the schools of fish aren't still communicating with each other. It makes it a hell of a lot tougher. But if we simplify the task of creating a culture, not going to rallies, not holding signs and marching and none of that. I'm going to raise my children to be productive in society. We're going to have a two-parent household. We're going to be educated. You know, we're not going to depend on politics. Now, if we can leverage politics to be, you know, saying advantageous to us, we will do it. But we're not going to depend upon it. We're going to be self-reliant. That's how that works.

2:32:27 And I wanted to illustrate that point because. because it's not that we're sitting around waiting for somebody to give us something. It's like we're going to be busy doing what we need to do anyway. We're going to have a ruling class mentality. We're not going to have a handout mentality. Very good. That's why I played that Kanye clip because either you're going to have a slave mentality or slave master mentality, which I don't like the slave master term, but it's more of having being independent and having a ruling class mentality. Right. And that can happen without any meetings or leaders or anything. It's just like, this is the direction we need to go. Everybody needs to head west.

2:33:10 Okay. Well, we'll all head west at our own speed, but eventually we'll all get there. So if you want to play the part two, how to fish swimming. Yes, of course I do. Of course. While the school of fish is elegantly twisting, turning, and dodging sharks in what looks like deliberate coordination, each individual fish is actually just following two basic rules that have nothing to do with the shark. One, stay close, but not too close to your neighbor. And two, keep swimming. As individuals, the fish are focused on the minutiae of these local interactions.

2:33:51 But if enough fish join the group, something remarkable happens. The movement of individual fish is eclipsed by an entirely new entity, the school, which has its own unique set of behaviors. The school isn't controlled by any single fish. It simply emerges if you have enough fish following the right set of local rules. Yeah. So how do you get this? How do you organize the school? Is it self-organizing? It's already happening. That's why I'm so joyous today because I had an epiphany. Like, it's already, you know, we've been conditioned

2:34:32 as being, you know, quote-unquote black people to one day, you know, the promised land's coming one day. We're already on the path. I mean, we're ahead of schedule. For these two ground squales to happen independently, nobody coordinated this. People tried to hijack it. People tried to label it. Right. Right. But that already happened. We're ahead of schedule. So now what we need to do is keep our distance, be close, but not too close because that introduces the opportunity for infiltration, which we talked about a lot here.

2:35:11 And then two is keep swimming. Keep swimming. And I know it sounds oversimplified, but no, that's the only way this works. Well, I, for one, enjoy this journey. I'm looking forward to seeing. I mean, if it's not on Twitter, I'm not going to be exposed to it. So that's why I enjoy speaking with you so much. Right. Because that's the only way I'll really hear about it. Of course, we see this stuff pop up once in a while. And now at least we know what to recognize as bogus or not. And there's a lot of bogusness out there. Bogotivity, I guess we should say. Yeah. And the fact that they have to keep retrying and reinvent the wheel and

2:35:56 reshape their message means we're successful. It's not working anymore. You know, we have the antidote, and the antidote is truth. Last thing I'll say, I find it'd probably be a good idea when the chosen Democrat loses the general election, which I am pretty convinced a lot of that will have to do with the lack of the ADOS vote for the Democrat. It needs to be made clear to the winning party that that happened. Oh, well, I'll say this: have no fear.

2:36:38 We will be blamed from the losing party. That will happen. That will happen. And they're already setting it up. I mean, you see it yourself, Adam. You see it. Of course I do. It's like hilarious. Those damn black men. It's like they go beyond fathers and pillars in that community again. And when they say that to me, I'm going to be uh-huh. And I know one. One of the guy over there, that Moe guy. He's part of the problem right there. He did it. And guess what? I'm raising four more problems. Good for you. Yes. And four great problems they will be. Hey, Mo, this has been great, man. This has been fantastic. And perfect also for this particular period where we get some time to reflect. We get to reflect on what you said earlier. Very important.

2:37:24 With. the virus and how people are treating other people, how you can compare that to having a different skin color. It's very powerful, very powerful to think about that. And I appreciate you bringing that once again. And as I always say, Adam, pay attention to everything and the true brewer real itself. And I look forward to more truth next week. We'll still be on lockdown, I think. Then we'll do it all over again around Saturday, right? Yes. All right, Mo. Thanks a lot, man. We'll talk to you next week. All right, see you later, Adam. We'll be right here on Mo Facts. Until then.

2:38:27 There's been so many things that's held us down. But now it looks like things are finally coming around. I know we've got a long, long way to go. And where we'll end up, I don't know. But we won't let nothing hold us back. We're putting ourselves together, we're polishing up our right now. And if you've ever been held down before, I know you refuse to be held down anymore. Don't you let nothing already stand in your way.

2:39:10 I won't try to listen this summer to every word I say, every word I say. Ain't no stop in the snow. You can't stand it sometimes. I swear to God, you're in the middle of it.