15: N.B.A.

00:05 Mo Facts with Adam Curry for November 18th, 2019. This is episode number 15. How are you doing, Mo? I am doing well, sir. How are you doing? Yeah, doing very well. Got a lot of great comments on the previous episode. Actually, that was one of our most listened to so far. So we hit a nerve somewhere. Oh, that's definitely good. And I want to take the opportunity to thank everybody who has been supporting the show under the value for value system, which means you listened to the show. Did it provide any value in your life?

00:44 If it did, all we ask is that you provide that to us. And you can find more information at the mofax.com website or go to mofundme.com, M-O-E-FundMe.com. Nice and mellow music you got here, which you got to be careful of. I noticed YouTube blocked the last episode because of the, I guess, the track we use at the end. Yeah, there have been some buttholes about the track that we use at the end. We gave credit. I don't understand what that issue is, but it'll be back up soon. I just haven't had a chance to go edit it. But there's always MoFax.com. That's right.

01:24 And your podcast apps. Exactly. And that's a great way to listen to the show. It's got a podcast app. If you get an iPhone, use the podcast app that comes with the iPhone, or you can get, I don't know, what is it, Google Play, Overcast? There's a ton of other podcasts. That's the great thing about the podcast. It works on all these apps. Yes. All right. I kind of know a little bit about the topic for today because we did discuss it briefly. And I sent you a clip or two that you needed. So let's see what we've got in store today. Yes. So there was a New York Times article by Miss Ferris Stockman. And let's just get right into before

02:06 we get to the article. When I read the article, I knew what it was when I started reading it. Yeah. What was the title of this article? What was it? The title of the article. Why don't I have it cut off? I stumped him. I stumped him. Yes, you stumped me. Actually, if you just want to play number four. Okay. We'll get to it right away. Her article titled, We're Self-Interested, The Growing Identity Debate in Black America.

02:47 Why a movement that claims to support the American descendants of slavery is being promoted by conservatives and attacked on the left. All right. That's a mouthful. Yeah. And there was, yeah, there was, I saw some tweets going back and forth. I saw Antonio Moore getting upset about it, or at least he had something to say. Maybe upset is the wrong term. So I'm very curious. It worked perfectly as designed. And as I said before, I knew exactly what it was when I read it. And honestly, as I always do with these shows, I give a lot of thought if I want to cover a topic or not.

03:30 And I was on the fence about this one because covering it in the wrong way could contribute to what the purpose of this article was about. And this purpose of this article was to cause dissension and be a tool of a similar system of COINTELPR. And we'll get to that definition later. But there's, first of all, we need to go back and define racism and white supremacy. Can we do that? Okay. Is this a quiz or do I just nod my head?

04:14 Actually, Mr. Nilly Fuller, we use his definition on a previous show. So we'll go there. Well, we are on the system of white supremacy. That's the most powerful government that the world has ever seen. And that's the title of it, by the way. It doesn't go by any other title, even though we sometimes call it by other titles. But the accurate title for the government that we are under is, in capital letters, the system of white supremacy worldwide. It's just one world government. And that's the only government in town. The only government on the planet that really counts, that is worthy of having the title of government.

04:55 Right. And this goes back a couple shows when we listened to this the first time. And. actually, yeah, that's actually a very good episode. People should check that out. We went in pretty deep with that. Yeah. So the reason why I did this is because Mr. Neely Fuller is going to drop some more wisdom on us to explain why blacks hate on blacks. Just like on a slave ship, which is what the whole world is. See, if I'm the captain of the ship, I will come and look down the hatch and I'll say it's just about feeding time, but we don't have enough food because I'm going to see to it it's not enough food. But we got about 40 of them down there. So I'm going to throw just enough food down there for 20.

05:41 That's how they do it. That's how they do it all over where we are. George Avenue, wherever you find black people. That's how they do it. They hand out the goodest, but it ain't enough. And what's going to happen when you throw enough food for 20 people in the hole of a ship where it's 40 people? You've got a good fight going, right? That's why black people can't stand at each other. Over a period of years, we spent all our time fighting each other for whatever is thrown down that hatch. And Massa up there on the deck is just cracking his side. Look at it.

06:19 Right. This idea, of course, works with any group of people, except it's been systemic with black Americans. Yes. And as we see on any continent across the world, they'll have just enough resources to make the people native to that continent fight over the resources that they throw out. Right. So this is exactly what this article was. It was enough attention thrown out, divided to cause a fissure in the

07:00 there's there's some terms here we need to clarify you have ADOS right you have FBA which is finance foundational black Americans and you have the the granddaddy of them all is the NBA native black Americans oh wow I hit those I knew about FBA because that was that was the article but uh NBA was new to me okay the the reason why NBA is not popular for for the obvious reason it couldn't be confusing well yeah and it couldn't be a hashtag or right right what's the word I'm looking for um well it's obviously it shares its initials with the National Basketball Association so it's just not gonna work in trademark it could be trademarked trademark sure sure sure yeah so if you do hashtag NBA yeah you got social media it's it's gonna say it's

07:57 gonna be uh swallowed whole by the actual National Basketball Association so with that said if we can hear the headline of this article one more time because when I read the headline I said oh okay her article titled We're Self-Interested the Growing Identity Debate in Black America why a movement that claims to support the American descendants of slavery is being promoted by conservatives and attacked on the left okay now this is how you and I met you know you helped me get an understanding of Ados or American descendants of slavery so I was obviously interested in in the topic and I kind of figured I think I figured out the same thing you did as what was going on with this

08:47 so one is why conservatives like it why liberals don't like it written from a liberal newspaper targeting liberal audiences uh left audience left-ling audience um the word the words used claims so i'm like what what's going on with this headline just off the gate and i was like i kind of i wrote it when i first saw it but when you dive into the first paragraph you get a hint of this the first paragraph alone was pitting ados against immigrants

09:28 here's the first paragraph in hollywood harriet tubman is played in a new movie by a black british woman much to the annoyance of some black americans on the united states census an ultra wealthy nigerian immigrant and a struggling african-american woman from the south are expected to check the same box when many american universities tout their diversity numbers black students who were born in the Bronx and the Bahamas are counted as the same. A spirited debate is playing out in black communities across America over the degree to which identity ought to be defined by America by African heritage or whether ancestral links to slavery are what should count most of all.

10:16 Tensions between black Americans who descended from slavery and black immigrants from Africa and the Caribbean are not new, but a group of online agitators is trying to turn those disagreements into a political movement. Okay. So here, right off the bat, she leaves in with the Harriet Tubman movie, which was a point of contention between Native Blacks and non-native blacks. So, one, we've seen an

10:57 uptick, a major uptick, and non-native blacks getting cast to play roles representing Native Blacks. And I'm going to use that term Native Blacks for now on because of the whole divide between FBA and ADOS. The term I'm going to use, and that's it, that was the original term from the very beginning to identify blacks of America. So that's what I'm going to use for now, just so people don't get confused. Okay, all right. So you're using the NBA

11:34 using the NBA acronym specifically because of the confusion between ADOS and FBA as riled up by the New York Times. Is that what I'm understanding? That is very correct. And is this something now? Does this mean that you no longer stand behind the ADOS brand or is it just for purposes of this show? Well, that's the thing. Ados is not a brand. Ados is a lineage. And that I think if everybody goes back and listen to my old shows, and whenever I identify the ADOS, I say I am not of ADOS. The group, I am ADOS by lineage.

12:13 Got it. And there's a big difference there. And it's going to be a huge part of this story: how this story caused the group and the lineage to go off the rails and created a bunch of tension between just intra-tension, intra-group tension. Right. So, so the article, like I said, the article already starts pitting black immigrants against native blacks or ADOS, however you want to say it. And that was, you know, using this, using this Harriet Tubman thing. And like you said, even you knew about it. It crossed over the timeline. Yeah. Well,

12:59 what's so interesting about it is whenever a non-trans person is even cast in a role portraying a trans person, you know, the Twitter blows up with outrage over, oh my God, why can't we use an actual trans person? And, you know, so there's all kinds of outrage about that across the board. But then when it comes to the Harriet Tubman movie, and there was a lot of shoulder shrugging going on, was my feeling. And it's been done like that. Like I said, a lot of the movies Jordan Peel makes, he's cast non-native blacks in the role of playing Native Blacks. I mean, this is a common occurrence.

13:42 And then let's just, I'm going to make a side note here. The Harriet Tubman movie was trash. I haven't seen it yet, so I can't. I haven't either. I haven't either. But the reason why I say that is I knew it was going to be trash because one is trauma-based entertainment. Gotcha. Two, two, from the reviews I read, and I've read a whole host, they made the black male the enemy. Right. So it was multifaceted messaging in this particular movie, which is kind of the point, right?

14:24 We want to activate black women and shun the men. I've learned, Mo. I pay attention. All of this is going up to 2020. This article is going up to 2020. And don't let it be lost on you that the very week this article dropped, who said they were running for president? Oh, yes. Duval. Duval Patrick. Yeah, Duval Patrick. Yes. That timing is not coincidental. It's not coincidental. And if you go back and listen to Obama saying all hashtags is not activism.

15:05 Right. Hello. It was a setup. I believe so. So just to give you an idea of the immigrant versus native black Ados. You know what? I'm not going to self-censor because I'm not going to let a group hijack my lineage. Now, they did. I have to give credit to Yvette and Tone Talks because they did coin a term. And since me and you have been talking, I've always given that credit because I was like, it was ingenious. It was an ingenious hashtag. It was an ingenious

15:47 acronym because it rolls right off the tongue from just branding standpoint. Similar to MAGA. I mean, it's genius. And I don't want to link those two together, but just from the MAGA, it rolls off your tongue. Ados, it rolls off your tongue. It sure does. It's like high-def DVD versus Blu-ray. He's saying Blu-ray rolls brought off the tongue. And I think that's part of the reason why they won the tech war between the two technologies. But I mean, that's just my personal opinion. But just to give you some context of the shade, quote-unquote shade that black immigrants have been throwing Ados.

16:28 We have Lord Jamal. Ever since this whole, I was hearing about this whole Ados from the minute I heard about it, it was like a division. Yeah. Amongst black people. Yeah. It was a division. It seemed like some sort of, well, you're not American or nothing. Like, what's your lineage? Like, like, we had a conversation about reparations and all this while we go on the godcast. And Ados came up. And, you know, you had some people, well, I don't think Lord Jamal is Ados anyway. So, you know, he's not going to be. Are you Ados? Here's the thing. On my father's side, no.

17:11 Okay. But we trace back to Guyana. Okay. You know, a guy is not Ados when he pronounces it Ados. So you know, he's already not in the loop as far as I'm concerned. Right. And as you heard him say, well, not on my not on my father's side, I'm not Ados. Right. And here's the thing: if you're not Ados, you can have an opinion on it. I mean, everybody can have an opinion on anything, but you can't have any say-so. But if he's Ados on his mom's side, that counts, does it not? Well, that's to be determined because on the next clip, he just to give you, I'm saying the foreshadow, he says he can't trace his mom's side.

17:56 Ah, okay. So he doesn't know. So from his standpoint, he's questioningly ADOS on his mom's side and not ADOS on his father's side. But they use this word, oh, it's divisive. It's divisive. Yes, that's the whole point of adding the A on DOS because in the show that you did prior to me contacting you, you used the term DOS. Right. And I'd probably pick that up somewhere for something I was reading. Right. There was no problem with that, but that was like part of the catalyst for me to write you and say that A is important. That A. Go ahead. No, I was going to say, it's very simple.

18:39 We have lots of black immigrants, brown immigrants, reddish brown, dark black, all kinds of immigrants who in America in general are seen as black. But that's not the same as Americans who came here who descended from slavery. You got different credentials. And the part the whole movement is based off trying to be repaid for services rendered. I'm going to use the original language I always use from America. Now, if you're from Jamaica, then you go to the country that held Jamaica. You see what I'm saying?

19:20 If you're from Haiti, you go to France. Right. And you hold France responsible. And the thing is, is with ADOS, not the not ADOS group, but the people, if we were successful from getting reparations from America, don't you think we would share that with other groups of people? Like, this is the blueprint. You know, this is what we did. But, and I don't want to make this very clear. clear before we move on any further. Black immigrants have a large portion of black immigrants have been very supportive of the ADOS movement. We've called them allies. We discussed that before. Yeah. So it's only a certain group of people that

20:07 have not been supportive. And I have my theories of why. Because if ADOS is made whole through reparations, then that ruins their claim of using victimization mentality to gain. Yes. You see, you get what was you see what's happening here? They're masking themselves in that victimization mentality to get things like affirmative action and get to get ahead. But then once they benefit, it's even more cynical than that.

20:44 The powers that be in government, they're the ones lumping. If Camilla Harris is a good example, they're the ones lumping it all together and saying, well, if you got a black skin color, it's your lucky day. But all under the guise of reparations, I think she's used the terms explicitly. But it's that's, you know, that you're talking about different kinds of different groups of people with different backgrounds and ergo, particularly when it comes to slavery, different possible remuneration. Yes. So let's get into the second Lord Jamar Killip. Caribbean, then. South American. Yes. Guyana's Caribbean.

21:29 It's in South America, but it's considered Caribbean in a way. Got it. It's one of the West Indian Day Parade. I think I'm pretty sure I see Guyana and the good Guyana flags flying around South America. Just like you might see Honduras or something like all, but that's all in South America. So anyway, now my mother is adopted, so I don't know her. I still got to do some research on, you know what I mean? I actually have discovered one side of her father. Now I got to trace where his family's from, but I did the trace on my father's side. So on that side, no, I'm not Ados. It's possible I'm on my mother's side I am. But see, again, that's some bullshit.

22:13 Right. So according to Ados, you need to shut the fuck up. Or I might be hating on it because, well, I ain't going to get nothing. You know, if we did get reparations, I'm not going to get nothing. So, you know, why would I care? Wow, that shows the whole problem right there. Yeah. And you know what's funny? At the beginning of the clip, the interviewer who was Vlad from Vlad TV, he said, so you were from, I think. Well, he says Jamaica to South America at a certain point. It's like, no, he said got Guyana. Guyana. Guyana. So he said, yeah. So he said, no, no, no, that's not Caribbean. That's South American.

22:57 Oh, so you can make. You can just determine stuff. Right. No, not even that, but you can make correct people on saying, no, I'm not part of that group. I'm part of this group. Right. But if we do it, it's a problem. Yeah, quite hypocritical. And if you're going to have an opinion on ADOS, you might want to do the work on your mom's side and not just say, yeah, I got to do that one day. Yeah. So, I mean, it's just to give you the attitude. It's just, you know, like I said, a very large group of people have been supportive. You can verify this.

23:35 They have been allies because they understand what's at stake here. And we're all, I mean, like I said, we're not asking for a handout. We made that clear. I made that clear on previous shows. It's for services rendered and for non-ADOS people, for non-native black people, the ones that don't feel like it's benefiting for them, there have been a segment that have been very negative towards you. And we have seen that, you know, play itself out. So let's just continue on with ADOS versus immigrants. It goes on to say they want colleges, employers, and the federal government to prioritize black Americans whose ancestors toiled in bondage.

24:21 And they argue that affirmative action policies originally designed to help the descendants of slavery in America have largely been used to benefit other groups, including immigrants from Africa and the Caribbean. Right. This is the genesis of this show. Exactly. That's the argument. Okay. So what's the problem? The way he was reading. Well, the way he was reading it probably with the right tone for the New York Times. Like, oh, look what they're doing. Oh, who do they think they are? Asking, determining who they are in background. Yes. And then when you see the percentage of academia that is not

25:02 native black or ADOS, do you understand how these thought group, these think groups and think tanks will be against ADAS? Sure. You know, it's like, how dare you cut off, you know, the supply here. We're coming in. We're masking. Yeah, we're masking ourselves as black, quote unquote, black. And we didn't have, let's be clear. We didn't have this problem 50 years ago. Because when you said black 50 years ago, it meant black. It meant ADOS. It meant native black. But as you have this increase,

25:39 which is probably close to 80-20 split now between ADOS being 80% and not ADOS being 20%, and it's growing every year. Now, when you say black, it means something totally different. And they, like I said, groups like things like Affirmative Action. And that's what they're really pissed off about is like, you know, how dare you put a barrier between us and the goodies that we get by playing the role of a victim. What was the moment? And we may have covered this in a previous show. What was the moment when that really changed?

26:18 When specifically affirmative action started to be used or offered, I should say, to non-ADOS groups. I want to say in the 1960s, 1970s. I mean, affirmative action was broken from the very beginning because it opened itself up to minorities. Right. So minority could mean really anything. And I use an analogy that we kicked the door open and then held it open for everybody else while they went in. And now that we're saying, no, we don't want to hold the door no more. Now everybody got their panties in the bunch. Right. Because people don't even think about the genesis of affirmative action because it was broken from the get-go.

27:01 So it's, we've got a lot of undoing to do, I guess. Yes. So we're going to get into ADOS versus immigrants versus Tariq. Now, the next paragraph says, the film producer Tariq Nasheed is among the outspoken defenders of the idea that the American descendants of slavery should have their own ethnic identity. Quote, every other group when they get here goes out of their way to say, I'm Jamaican, I'm Nigerian, I'm from Somalia, he said. But when we decide to say, okay, we are a distinct ethnic group, people look at that as a negative.

27:41 This year, responding to requests for, quote, more detailed, disaggregated data from our diverse American experience, the Census Bureau announced that African Americans will be able to list their origins on census forms for the first time instead of simply checking black. Oh, meanwhile, everyone was arguing about gender, whatever, whatever we would argue. But the important questions are in there now. Yes. So I'll be able to list black origin American. So if they want to claim their origin, then you have a clear identifier.

28:26 Right. So if we go back and start recalculating how we do affirmative action, we say, well, and we had this conversation before. I don't think affirmed action is done the right way because one, it lowers the standards. I don't agree with that, but I think it should. I mean, if you're going to say we're going to have, in the current way it's set up, if you're going to say we're going to have X amount of spots set aside for Native blacks, then that cuts them out the deal. Right. If you want to mark where you're correctly from, and this is where the real rub comes at. But let's not ignore something here in this last clip.

29:11 They mentioned Tyreek Nasheed first. Tyreek Nasheed is not one of the original creators of ADOS. And when I read this, I said, that's going to be a problem. And that was done from my standpoint strategically. Because it's like this isn't. isn't one of those examples where people say Ricky Gervais is the pod father and not Adam Curry. It's not possible. This is exactly the same thing. Because I tell you, it never felt good to me.

29:49 So you can identify with it. Like, yeah, you know, created a podcast and, you know, and then they have you listed way down in the article as, you know, just a guy, you know, well, involved in it. I guess my point is it's also because you say, well, it seems by design. Could be, but I'm just taking the other side, saying, I think it's just dumb, the idiots. The journalists are not great all the time. So it could also just be, oh, this guy seems to be the mouthpiece right now. I'll put him at the top. That's my point. That's the problem. Gotcha. That is the exact problem. You're working close with.

30:31 I mean, for you to use the hashtag ADOS, right? Yeah. Why wouldn't you list the? Because here's the thing. I'm looking at the structure of the article right now. So they mentioned Tyreek. They mentioned his quote. And then the very next paragraph is where they mention the two founders of Ados. Gotcha. That seemed very fishy to me. Why won't you just switch it around? And your article doesn't lose any meaning. But if we're set out to what Neely Fuller said, throw food down for 20 when you got 40 people down there, here it is.

31:18 Exactly. Here it is. Throw the steak down and watch him brawl for it. And I knew when I read this article in the order of that, I was like, why did just know being intimate with the whole situation? I'm like, why did they mention him first? But he has been, he has the larger platform. He has been supportive of Ados, the hashtag. So people identify him with the group. And the writer, Ferris Stockman, who wrote this article, what do we know about Ferris Stockman? Well, I'm glad you asked that because that's a very interesting thing. One, she's racially ambiguous.

32:02 When you look at her, that means when you look at her, she could be Latino. She could be mixed. She could be what I mean by that is it's not clearly, it's not clearly identified. And I couldn't find exactly where she identified as anything. But I'm glad you asked that question. One thing I did identify with is she did a lot of teaching abroad in Kenya, which goes maybe leans towards why she's being so supportive of the non-native black struggle against ADOS. Just a thought. Yeah, she was in Kenya from 97 to 2000.

32:47 Yes. And she served as a school teacher in Kenya for two years. And then she started. Oh, and then she set up a non-governmental organization. Okay, that's something I should look into. That's when she started. It's always. And that's when she started writing for the New York Times. And interesting, I see that there was another article deciphering ADOS, a new social movement or online trolls, which came out November 13th. This is right after this one. Gotcha. Okay, just a data point. All right. All right. So just a little background. But like I said, that order of who was mentioned first, it seems petty.

33:30 But as you said, it rubs you the wrong way when another person is mentioned as the founder of podcasting, you know, or the pod father or whatever you're saying however you want to identify yourself. I don't want to identify you. Thanks. Don't misgender me, bro. Yeah, I don't want to miss. So now we're getting to the good part. Insurgents. The article goes on to say: the goal of ADOS's two founders, Antonio Moore, a Los Angeles defense attorney, and Yvette Carnell, a former aide to Democratic lawmakers in Washington, is to harness frustrations among black Americans by seizing on the nation's shifting demographics.

34:15 Embracing their role as insurgents, Mr. Moore and Miss Carnell held their first national conference in October and have made reparations for the brutal system of slavery upon which the United States was built, a key tenet of their platform. platform. Wow, insurgents, what an interesting choice of term because insurgent almost to me, you know, an insurgent is like a terrorist. Yeah. I mean, that's that, that's the, you know, when you hear that word, you think roadside bombs. Yes. I mean, that's just the mental

34:55 picture that you get when you hear insurgents. And then when you go to the previous paragraph, it says, what did it say? They're trying to harness the frustration among black Americans. And then you go down to the next paragraph and you say insurgents. Yeah. So insert, in fact, I just took a look. This is what we heard for years in Iraq. If there was an IDE, a roadside bomb, any type of attack against the Allied troops there, it always was written in the news as insurgents detonated a bomb. Insurgents, it's insurgents, insurgents, insurgents. So it's kind of that's the connotation.

35:40 And the New York Times would use that word in that context. So that's interesting. Yes. So for the people out there that will love a formal definition of insurgency, we have that for you. Insurgency is a rebellion against a constituted authority when those taking part in the rebellion are not recognized as belligerents. It is the organized use of subversion and violence to seize, nullify, or challenge political control of a region. As such, it is primarily a political struggle in which both sides use armed force to create space for their political, economic, and influence activities to be effective.

36:19 Wow. Oh, man. That's yeah. So using that term in this context is off. Now let's go back to that previous two paragraphs. It says, oh, well, the actual paragraph. It says, embracing their roles as insurgents. Mr. Moore and Mr. Car Mrs. Carnell held their first national conference. So your mental image is a bunch of black insurgents getting together, holding, you know what I'm saying, holding the conference. Like the Panthers, man. Yeah.

37:03 And just imagine if, now, see, and this is why I say that people piss on native black people. Imagine if she used this language speaking on care. Oh, you mean the Council of American Islamic Relations? Yes. Oh, yeah, it'd be a huge problem. She'd be fired. Yeah. Oh, yes. Yes. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. You see what I'm saying? I mean, like, now it's like, hey. Well, it only occurs once in the article, but it literally says embracing their role as insurgents. I mean, that's a very liberal definition.

37:48 And she does this with definition, so quote-unquote, definitions of words. Well, we all know words change. I mean, sorry, I didn't get the memo because you can still look it up on any dictionary online and it says a rebel or revolutionary attack by armed insurgents as an example. And violence is almost always a part of insurgency. Yes. So then you follow that up with Ados being like Trump. Their movements have also become a lightning rod for criticism on the left. Its skepticism of immigration sometimes strikes a tone similar to that of President Trump.

38:31 Now, once again, did she make that statement as an opinion? Did she just phrase that sentence as an opinion? Its skepticism of immigration sometimes strikes a tone similar to that of President Trump. And the group has fiercely attacked the Democratic Party, urging black voters to abstain from voting for the next Democratic presidential nominee unless he or she produces a specific economic plan for the nation's ADOS population. Such tactics have led some to accuse the group of sowing division among African Americans and engaging in a form of voter suppression, not unlike the voter purges and gerrymandering efforts pushed by some Republicans.

39:19 You are a bastard, Mo. I can't believe what you're doing. You're trying to subvert the Democratic Party. Party. You're threatening them. Well, it's a lot. And I hate this word, but it's a lot to unpack there, Mr. Curry. Let's see. So you said we were insurgents, i.e., terrorists. Then you move from there to being like Trump, which we all know Trump supporters are like terrorists and violent. Well, interestingly enough, they're also white supremacists. So welcome to the party.

39:59 Nice. Yeah. And I like to, and the group has fiercely attacked the Democratic Party, urging black voters to abstain from voting, which is true, but I don't know about the fiercely attacking bit. And it says, is skepticism of immigration. Here's the thing: ADOS has been against illegal immigration. And see, they do this and they conflate these things. All the time. All the time. No problem with illegal immigrants. You got here, you did your paperwork right. You came here, you know, you went through the proper channels. The problem is illegal immigration directly undercuts and becomes competition with poor blacks in America.

40:44 And that's the problem. And the way this is written, you could interpret it multiple ways, which is, I think, it's a trick that a writer at the Times would do. So I'll read the line again. It's skepticism of immigration. Now, you can interpret that as all kinds of stuff. It could also be the skepticism of immigration because there's so much illegal immigration, but it doesn't say that. It's skepticism of immigration sometimes strikes a tone similar to that of President Trump, which in essence is probably true because Trump talks about illegal immigration. It's just, it's not specifically laid out in the article. So it's chicken shit, really.

41:29 Yep. So then moving on down, it says, urge black voters to abstain from voting for the next Democratic presidential nominee, which I have been a big supporter of. I tell people all the time if somebody doesn't give you the option not to vote, then you don't have an option. So that's where the real issue comes in with this whole, and this is what this whole, this is what this whole article is about, 2020. Then they go down to the next paragraph. It says, such tactics have led to accuse the group of sowing division amongst African Americans and engaging in a form of voter suppression.

42:08 Yeah, that's great. Not unlike voter purges and gerrymandering. How the hell can we gerrymander? I mean, not unlike you're drawing lines in the districts. I don't know. I really don't know what that means. That's a stretch. So this is what this is. This is what this, like I said, I know I'm saying that a lot, but this is what this whole article is about, is to really shame black people. Like, oh, you know, if you don't vote, you're going to let Trump win. You know, he's the boogeyman. You know, he's the big bad Klansman. You know, I mean, look at these blacks.

42:49 They're on his side. That's even worse. I mean, just associating this group with Trump is enough. I mean, that's enough for the New York Times reader and the elites of America to decide right then and there, ADOS equals Trump equals bad. Yes. So let's get to the next clip. Shireen Mitchell, the founder of Stop Online Violence Against Women, has been embroiled in an online battle with ADOS activists for months. Miss Mitchell contends that the group's leaders are, quote, using reparations as a weapon, end quote, to make Mr.

43:27 Trump more palatable to black voters. Others have pointed out that Miss Carnell once appeared on her YouTube channel in a Make America Great Again hat. It's proof. So she did appear on her channel with a Make America Great Again hat. But if this reporter had done her homework, it was as a joke. But this has become a meme. It's become one of those things where if you say it enough, it's true. Yeah, you got to be. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter what the truth is. We got you with a MAGA hat on. So you're saying you're in with the alt-right. So another thing she points out here, she says, using reparations as a weapon.

44:11 Now, nobody has a problem when people use immigration as a weapon. They say, if you don't support immigration, we won't support. support you. APAC uses their, I mean, no, I mean, it's politics. That's how politics works. You know, I won't vote for you. You won't have my support. We'll get you out of office. We'll run against you in the primaries. You know, I mean, that's that's how politics works. Yeah, but it's like clearly ADAS are not obedient. They're not doing what they're supposed to do. Get back in your hole. Yep. You know what I'm saying? Well, and this quote is from Miss Shireen Mitchell.

44:55 Does that name ring a bell to you, sir? Shireen Mitchell. Not offhand. Well, Miss Shireen Mitchell had a talk with Miss Joy Reed. Oh, yes, I know who this is. Yeah, I sure do. Straight into it. Shall we go? Shall we have some fun? They appear to be a human, but they don't. They have a big gap, as Adam just said, in the times that they've tweeted, and they tweet you. Should you respond to them? Generally, no. I mean, off the back, you should stay back and just sort of watch their engagement, how many times they're tweeting, what they're tweeting about, and even the topics in particular.

45:35 And a lot of the ones that are pretending to be black people, black women in particular, who are focusing on black identity, have these sort of aspects in the ways that they're talking about language. If we saw the other day, there was an account that was supposed to be for black supporting Howard Schultz. That account was eventually pulled down, but that was a prime example of someone trying to mimic support from the black community for a particular candidate. So these kinds of things that are happening at this moment, we have to pay a little bit more close attention to it because there is nuance, but there are also identifying factors. For example, right now, from the Black Identity Framework, there's a new sort of hashtag and/or identity that's in their bios called A-D-O-S or D-O-S, which is standing for descendants of slaves.

46:25 Well, that's wrong. And also, she's from Stop Online Violence Against Women. And why is she speaking on this topic? Well, she's the black bot lady. Oh, she's the black bot lady. Okay, can we play it? Yeah, yes. So it's the indication that they are someone who was born in, you know, as a descendant in the United States, who is representing black America and has the vernacular and the language that people would believe is someone who's a part of our community, who's either debating about Camilla or debating about Booker because that's who just announced and trying to say, we know who's the most, you know, who's black in America and making sure that they're, you know, sort of talking in this vernacular that makes

47:15 it look like that they are in support of Black American. And yeah. Yeah, I mean, I did see a huge uptick in bot activity when it came to when Kamala Harris announced. It's like it just dropped like a bomb. It just happened really quickly. And she was accused of being not really black, not a single person. Not really black. And that kept going. You could see that happening. But actually, there was an uptick of those bots just before she was about to announce. So they were preparing for her announcement. I love Joy Reed, who's like, oh, I noticed all these bots. No, you did not. You don't notice any of that. These are real people. And it's amazing that Miss Farah Stockman didn't ask Miss Shireen Mitchell about her black bots comment.

47:58 Are we block bots now? You shouldn't be afraid of bots not voting, right? Yeah. You see what I'm saying? So, no, she brings her up. She mentioned to her how, you know, we're using reparations as a weapon, making Trump more palatable to the black voters. But she didn't ask her about her black bots comment that she made on Jory Reed's show. No, in fact, the article just says that she has been embroiled. Yeah, Shireen Mitchell, founder of Stop Online Violence Against Women, has been embroiled in an online battle with the ADOS activists for months. She's battling bots, Mo. She's very brave. Miss Mitchell contends that the group's leaders are using reparations as a weapon.

48:43 So, yeah, so of course, why would the New York Times call her out on that? That makes no sense. And where is she? Where is she from? Shireen Mitchell. There's not much on her on the Wikipedia. All right. But why are you so worried about bots? Bots don't vote. Well, because of the division the bots were sowing in the community to move people. black people, away from supporting Kamala Harris and Corey Booker. That's that's what I, the way I understood it. And Kalama Harris,

49:24 I like it, Kalama Harris. Kalama Harris. That's her new name. I'm in for Kalama. Yeah, so Kamala Harris takedown was the shot across the bow. That's when they really saw these people is serious. Yeah, to take down a considered to be a leading, because you know how they classify their candidates over the Democratic Party. Yes. She was one of the leading Democrats, and she was completely deflated in a matter of days.

50:00 And I'm surprised as soon as she came out. I'm surprised that the article doesn't mention that Ados successfully beat Kamala Harris down to 3% in the polls. You know, these are very dangerous ADOSers. But anyway, missed opportunity, I think. So, as we know, Miss Marianne Williamson, she had the ear of Ados, and Ados had her ear. But it's a clip that I had, and I didn't, it was one of those clip slips, and I made mention of it. But when I went back and listened to it, it had a totally different context now.

50:41 She's going to lay out the step-by-step plan of how you kind of. Well, I'll let her explain it. There was a moment last night that seemed like you were going almost going at it with Don Lemon. He posed a question to you about reparations. What was going through your mind when he asked her this question? Well, how diminishing can he be? What makes you qualified to determine a number? You know, there's this political class, it's like a Wizard of Oz type of thing.

51:18 Only they know, you know, it's like something's going on behind the curtain. A lot of people have serious conversations about what's going on in this country, not just a bunch of TV pundits and politicians. So, and I, it was so diminishing. What makes you qualified to do math? There's a certain strain of officialdom. So, at first, it was like we won't take her seriously, she's not there. Then, okay, she's there, but she's a joke. She's a looney tune. And now they've gotten to a phase of, well, she'll never win the nomination, but we should probably listen to her because she has some really important things to say. Okay. So, the step-by-step she laid out about how they attacked her, they did the same thing to Ados.

52:03 One, they're not there. Yep. You know, they're bots. Then they're looney tunes. Two, they're a joke. Yeah. But now it's like, oh, well, they got real power. We got to listen to them. It's the same as that step by step. And when I heard it, I was like, wow. Yeah. You know, this is a system. This is a real system. And then my brain got to going. If there's a system, as Mr. Neely Fuller said, there is a system and it controls the world. But let's listen to him talk about that system. And all he got to do is step on my foot.

52:45 He got a fight going. Now I got to go get my brothers and my gang and whatnot. And the white supremacists say, these people don't even know how we do what we do. That's why we are masters of the world. So we figured out how they do what they do. And how they do what they do used to be called COINTEL PRO. So COINTELPRO was this system of counterintelligence, stand for counterintelligence program. It was ran by one Mr. Hoover, Jay Edgar Hoover, FBI, to be specific for the FBI.

53:29 And this is the to me, when I read this article, it may not be specifically COINTEL PRO, but it smacked up the same kind of methodology behind it. We know the government watches us, but what about when government surveillance changes the course of history? In the 1960s, the U.S. government started a program called COINTELPR, or the counterintelligence program. The program was a series of secret FBI initiatives targeting activists, political, and minority groups. The American Indian Movement, the Black Panthers, Martin Luther King, women's and civil rights groups.

54:09 groups, Vietnam War protesters, and anyone who got the government seeing red. Tactics used included infiltration and surveying and discrediting leaders and causes in order to undermine entire movements and organizations. But a lot of what COINTELPRO did was illegal, and it was officially disbanded in 1971. So, if you ask many activist groups and political dissidents, it still exists. Just in another form. Okay. Hmm. I'm very familiar with this. I didn't realize that it was, they stopped it in 1971.

54:52 And was this? Does that have anything to do with the Smith-Munt Act by any chance? I'm not sure. Okay. That I'm not sure. I'm familiar with the Smith-Munt Act, but I'm not sure if that went hand in hand. But as Mr. Neely Fuller said two clips ago, they understand the powers that be understand. And then you see it. We saw it in Venezuela. We see it all over the world. They'll empower one leader against the established leader and then let them fight it out.

55:29 Right? And that's what I was alluding to when I said they mentioned Tyreek Nasheed first before they actually mentioned the co-found, I mean, the co-founders of ADAS. I was like, I mean, when you see these things, it's a pattern. They do the same thing. It's like, so when I saw, I was like, this is going to be a problem. But my worst fears came true. Tyreek Nasheed and Tone Talks took the bait. And it started with a Tyreek Nasheed tweet. Trump is actually talking about providing specific tangibles to foundational Black Americans, yet the Democrats, who black Americans have been so naively loyal to are adamant about not doing anything specific for black Americans.

56:22 So why should we honestly support the Democrats? This is in response to Trump saying, we created 9,000 opportunity zones. 8 million African Americans live in opportunity zones. Yet every Democrat voted against giving these black citizens the future they deserve. The Republicans got it passed. So Tyreek Nasheed made a tweet. Well, he retweeted a Trump tweet, kind of like supporting Trump. But Trump's tweet included the mention of opportunity zones, which

57:03 opportunity zone, as I stated on the show myself, is a sticking point for me. The jury's out for me as well, because I live in an opportunity zone. So I'm curious to see how it's doing for poor people. Yeah, so it's just on a surface level, it has been branded as bad for black people. Yeah, I don't know. Because of just, I'm saying, on the on it, in the when you hear that term now, in the ADOS circles, what you want to say, the woke circles, it's synonymous with gentrification.

57:46 Now we have to, like I said, it's very nuanced, but for him to retweet that, I knew there was going to be pushback for him doing that. Now, let me be clear. We're talking about intra-group conflict. So at this point, Ados, Native Black, Foundational Black, everybody was on the same page, right? Post the article, we started seeing fractures happen, and it was happening immediately.

58:24 So Tariq Nasheed makes this tweet that was read by Yvette Carnell, just for just for full disclosure, which is the founder of Ados, the group. And so Tone Talks replies to Tyreek's tweet. I'm seeing this thing and I responded to Tariq and I said, this is not real politics. Trump performed one of the most regressive tax cuts in American history that left the cover bare for any type of major program that would have cost similar to reparations. You cannot say this without recognizing that fact. Okay.

59:04 So now. Let me just hear what he said was that the opportunity zone, the amount of money that's involved, that that could have just been used for reparations for Ados. Is that what he's saying? I'm thinking, way I interpret it was it doesn't compare. Okay. Because here's the thing. Oh, yeah. So, in other words, that's not reparations. Nice. Yeah. Well done. Might work. Who knows? Jury's out, but reparations, no. So inside baseball here, anything that can be used to needle the Democrats,

59:45 native blacks are willing to use. Because those are the people that have taken us for granted for so many years, taking our vote for granted for so many years. What needs to happen is it needs to be parody created between the two parties. You bring them on the same level and then you say, okay, compete for our vote. Democrats, do you need our vote? Do you want to take Trump out of office if he's threatening the, what's the word they like to use? Threatening democracy. Our democracy. Yeah, right. If you threaten our democracy, hey, this reparation seems like a good deal to get him out of there.

1:00:25 What's up? Right? And then on the other hand, it's like, hey, Trump, you know what I'm saying? You know, if you want to lock up this 2020 vote, what's up? Or neither one of you want to do anything? We're going to sit on the sideline and let you guys figure it out. That's how politics works. That's how people get votes. Sure. That's on code, but people are going off code. Every word matters at this moment. Part of the reason that we're talking voting down ballot Democrat is to make it clear that we're not a right-wing propaganda tool. Because right now, the four D's come into play: dismiss, divide, destroy.

1:01:07 You know, they're essentially trying to gut us and call us right-wing when actually we're just demanding a black agenda. So as a result, we can't give any fuel to the fire. And I think what I'm seeing right now is an inability to really understand how important that is. Imagery, how important it is to cast this thing. That's what it is. Look, black folks since 74 have voted 90% Democrat. Black folks. When you look at Latinos in the last election, 65% of Latinos voted for the Democrats, 35% voted for Trump.

1:01:50 When you look at whites, since 74, their rate of vote for the Republicans has been over 50%. And for the Democrats, it's been like 40%. The Democratic Party is our party. The problem is that we haven't called on them with the specific black agenda and demanded of them what they owe us. You don't walk away from what somebody owes you and say it's because they don't want to recognize you without making a haymaker of a case. And that's what we're doing right now. Okay. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Skirt, skirt, hit the brakes.

1:02:31 Right. We were all on code here. If nobody puts anything on the table, you're not getting our vote. And even certain segments is saying, if the Democrats aren't willing to put anything on the table, we will vote for Trump. Just to show the Democrats, we're not playing, right? That was the code, right? And then Ados, the group. Now, this is where it becomes a lineage which you can't be born in. And I mean, you can't be out of the group. You're born into it, right? I mean, I was born Ados

1:03:11 just for the sheer fact of who my parents were and who their parents were, right? Now you're creating a turning, making a group, a political group, and you're saying we're going to vote down ticket Democrat. No. And like I said, this is, I'm not picking sides in this situation because one thing you know about me, Adam, I made it very clear. I don't do groups. No, that's correct. The reason why I don't do groups is this very case right here because groups change. And now you've, I've lumped myself in with this group and now you've done a pivot.

1:03:50 No, we're not voting down ticket anything because that's a trick in itself. Because the reason why I say that is, how does the average American vote? straight ticket? Yeah, it's a Republican Democrat done. You're not going to sit there and check. The average person is not going to sit, oh, I'm not going to vote for president, but I'm going to go check everybody else, the judge and senators. And no, you're going to go in there. You're going to push one button or the other button, right? Pretty much. So this is, I took this as a trick. I took it as an insult on my intelligence because it was very clear. We're not, if nothing tan, and this is the word was used, tangible.

1:04:32 Yes, we were going to use reparation as a weapon the same way immigration is used. We might not get immigration. You know, immigrant, immigrant activist groups might not get open borders, but they're like, what do you got for me? What can we get? We can get DACA. Okay. You know what I'm saying? You get our vote. Yeah, everybody wants something. Absolutely. Right. So it's a let's say it's a used for leveraging. So maybe you couldn't do ADOS. I mean, you couldn't do reparations, but you could say, well, we can do A, B, and C, and then we see your next election. So that's, that's, that's kind of tangible. You know what I'm saying? That was, you know, I mean, I feel, I could feel it. You know, I could, I could, I could touch it.

1:05:13 It's real. And we could talk. But nobody's put anything on the table. And now all of a sudden, as we get close to 2020, you have ADOS, the group. And let me be clear here. Ada, and that's now foreshadowing to why I said I'm going to go by NBA now. Because now you've done something weird here. Now, if I say Ados, it means something totally different. And Tyreek Nasheed replies back and he makes the point of politics versus lineage. My position and everybody, Ados is a lineage, but then it's also created by a movement of politics, a very succinct politics around the black agenda and reparation.

1:05:58 Okay, so right there, it's okay. It's a lineage, but it's a movement based around politics. So it's a political group, brother. Okay, okay, well, say that. But get it back to me. See, this is what I'm saying. Don't say that and just be very upfront with it. This is a political group that they have that they've named the same thing so that it could be conflated. That's him saying it's a lineage, but it's also this political thing, too. So it's a group that they've conflated with the lineage. So when you speak about the lineage, by proxy, you're speaking about the group and you're bigging the group up. It's two things. That's very deceptive.

1:06:40 That's very deceptive. That's deceptive. You ain't talking about lineage no more. So if a person out here just saying, yeah, I'm ADOS, and you thinking, okay, I'm just supporting the lineage, and then they're using that Tony Neevet. Well, that's that's a member of, that's he's in my group. That's my group member. I'm the leader of. You understand? We're a lineage. You tell me who to vote for. In an interesting way, this parallels the 2008 Tea Party, who were not necessarily a lineage, but there was a foundational set of beliefs. And it was Ron Paul who started that, who ran that.

1:07:25 And through very similar tricks, that whole group was co-opted. And it was turned into something. In fact, it was turned into something so nutty that Ron Paul left. He left his own group, you know, because it did turn into just a political entity and all kinds. And it happens all the time. Other actors come in and then the group morphs and changes. So yeah, it's tough doing that. So there is a definite parallel between the Tea Party and between the Tea Party and ADOS, because this is how it becomes from grassroots to AstroTurf.

1:08:06 Right. And like I said, I'm off the boat. I can't do this. And I think other people picked up on it. And I'm not picking sides because one, these conversations should have been had behind the scenes. They should have sat down in the room together, had a conversation, and not had it out over social media. So I don't like how either one of these gentlemen handled it. I think they both have something to add because Tone has great data. He does the research. And I think Tyree has a certain flair.

1:08:50 Yeah, charisma. I was going to use. Yeah. So if you add those two together, it's. value adding. Right, but it doesn't sound like they have the same agenda. Well, and when you start talking about voting and nobody can see what, why, I mean, my question is: show, well, you say you have data, right? That's your thing, data. Where is the data to say for me to vote? You know, where, where, show me the impact. And when I cast my vote in four years, I'll see a direct impact, right? Yeah.

1:09:29 So then I asked myself, God, Yvette and Tone have put so much work into this, you know, this movement. They've never really called it a group before, but now it's starting to look like a political group. What changed? Oh, the only thing I can think of would be money. CRA 1866. CRA 1866. In four days, in four days, Donald Trump will walk into the Supreme Court to scale back the Civil Rights Act of 1866. Okay, hold on a second.

1:10:14 Now, I do know that there was something about the Civil Rights Act, but that was more in regard to, believe it or not, trans people. I'm not sure what else was challenged. This is new to me. It's a surprise to me. What is changing with the CRA? What happened? That's the Byron Allen thing. Oh, his lawsuit because he's not being carried by the big cable companies. Oh, okay. All right. And Byron Allen and Tone Talks have been real buddy-buddy. Ah, Byron Allen stepping into the onto the stage.

1:10:56 Yes. So that's the only thing I can see that has changed. Like I said, I've seen, I saw the warning signs, but I always give people the benefit of the doubt. I'm always very careful about how I cast things because I want to be a part of the solution, not the problem. But when I saw a Democratic candidate start talking with this group, I'm like, wow, like that's cool. But how did that relationship happen? I always, I mean, see, I had to ask this question, how did that happen?

1:11:34 Yeah. Then, when I see a killer Mike sit down, who was a big representative of Bernie Sanders, sits down, talks with Tone's talk, Tone's talk. It's like, I'm starting to see you surround yourself with a lot of politics. Yeah. And then Byron Allen, he came in and was like, oh, well, this Adox thing is really, you know what I'm saying, got legs. Maybe I can use them to support my movement. Right. So let me just explain the, I don't know if you have that here. I don't think so. The Byron Allen case is very interesting. He has a number of television channels, I think we should call them.

1:12:19 And they're very black-oriented. Music and cooking and real lifestyle type challenges. And Comcast, one of the largest cable companies in the country, hasn't been carrying them. And Byron Allen said, well, you have to because you're violating the Civil Rights Act based on race. You're discriminating against me based on race. Just a headline from Fortune magazine from five days ago. Comcast is challenging a 153-year-old law that protects against racial discrimination.

1:12:59 We can't let that happen, writes Derek Johnson. So this is a, and this is the Supreme Court. So this is going, this is all the way to the top. And they're going to challenge. I'm not completely familiar with the case, but they're going to challenge his claim that his 100% African-American owned cable channel is being rejected, despite Comcast carrying white-owned channels with similar audience sizes. So that's the basis of the case. So I'm just going to motive. And like I said, I don't want to cast dispersions on anybody, but I'm starting to see is like

1:13:45 what am I getting from my vote? I'm very self. self-oriented and self-focused. What does it do for me? And I think if everybody voted that way, then you'll get the government that represents. Well, the message is clear, Mo. You're going to get some cool cooking shows. Hey, you know, there's worse ways to get people to vote. Vote for me, and we'll give you better TV shows. It's the American way. So as I look at this, I can't really

1:14:26 support Ados the group anymore. Now, native black issues. And I won't use the term foundational black American because then that seems counter Ados the group. Right. Which I have to be fair, Tyreek Nasheed has said, I'm not a leader. I'm not creating a political group, you know, but I don't want to be caught in the middle of it. So I'm careful, like I said, to be aligned with groups. And then the other thing dangerous about the group is if you start calling this a political group, right?

1:15:07 And we go back and you start using words like insurgent, then you start getting on lists. Yes, you do. That's exactly right. It's very dangerous. With that said, this is where we go back. There's always a portion of the show that we have to go back in time. Gotta get back to school. Back to school. W.E.B. Du Bois versus Booker T. One of the first moments where Du Bois comes onto the national stage is the brewing controversy between his ideas about racial progress and how to move the race forward and the leading African-American figure of that time period, the late 19th and early 20th century, Booker T.

1:15:54 Washington. In the beginning, they agreed on many points about the importance of education and moving the race forward. It turns out, though, that because Du Bois was northern-born and had access to some of the best schools in New England and really was encouraged to think broadly, it's been part of his elite graduate education, being trained in Berlin, working with Max Weber. By contrast to Booker T. Washington, who was self-educated, a very gifted and talented man, but he was born as a slave. That fundamental difference certainly shaped their sense of change over time.

1:16:35 So here we have two like-minded individuals for the most part of what was good for black people. And all of a sudden, they start having varying ideas. Now, we've spoke about W.E.B. Du Bois many times on this show, and he was at the NAACP. And as I brought up on a couple of occasions, the NAACP chairman was none other than Joel Spingarn. And just for people, for matter of record, Joel Spingarn was hired in May of 1918 and given the rank of major in the military intelligence division and ran a small unit of undercover agents who was looking for proof of subversion.

1:17:28 So it's clear that W.E.D.B. Du Bois was, for lack of a better word, being steered by Mr. Spingarn. But what is little known is about Tuskegee's Minton Hall. The United States Army Office of Intelligence hired a black man by the name of R.R. Boo. Just going to blow people mind. Booker T. Washington's vice principal at Tuskegee Institute was a paid undercover intelligence officer for the United States Army whose job was to spy on Booker T because they were concerned that he was using

1:18:13 Tuskegee and they were correct and they're suspicious as a hideout for black revolutionaries away from the Klan and away from the government. Well, there's your co-intel pro right there. Yep. And so now on one side you got Du Bois under Joel Spingard and on the other side you have R.R. Mitten. He's working at Tuskegee with Booker T. Washington. Now, Tuskegee Institute, that is where Tuskegee. Tuskegee syphilis experiment happened. Oh, yes. A fine moment in history. And it was one of the most infamous biomedical research studies in U.S. history.

1:18:56 It began while Moten headed the Tuskegee Institute. And it says the experiment, it failed to tell participants their diagnosis and did not treat them even after penicillin was provided in the 1940s to be effective against syphilis. And in 1932, Mr. R.R. Moton won the Spangar Medal for NAACP. Yeah. Good work. Here's a medal. So we see these things, like I said, COINTELPRO.

1:19:41 I'm not saying either one of these gentlemen are being steered in any way, but what I'm saying is anytime there's positive movement in the right direction by any group, let's just, I mean, because you made the point about the Tea Party. If a group that's not accepted is making traction, they're infiltrated by outside forces and steered. Was this not also what Black Lives Matter was about? Exactly. It started off as a hashtag. And then Soros money came in. And then they start talking about how global warming affects black people. Black knots. Black knew that dead knot is in the street. Black women. Pardon me.

1:20:24 Pardon me. You're correct. So after Mr. Booker T. Washington was pushed to the side or stepped away, W.E.B. Du Bois started warring with Marcus Garvey. In a world when a black mass movement was deemed a threat to the United States, there came the tiger, Marcus Garvey. Up, you mighty race. You can accomplish what you will. Africa for the African. Home and abroad. One God, one aim, one destiny.

1:21:04 Then came J. Edgar Hoover. This is a dangerous man. Damn radical, ungrateful, and un-American. In one of the most dangerous times in America, Marcus Garvey, codenamed the Tiger, attempted to organize a global mass exodus of Africans to return to their homeland, only to be thwarted by American officials who used techniques of infiltration and disinformation to destroy him. Hiring a force of black government agents, J. Edgar Hoover devised an infamous counterintelligence program, Cointel Pro. Now, if this works, we may have a model for all future organizations like this. Incarcerating him would not stop him. Where is the black man's government? Where is his king and kingdom?

1:21:49 Where's the black man's president? His country, his army, and his navy, provisional president of Africa, not on my watch. J. Edgar Hoover had one mission: catch the tiger. Yeah, Marcus Garvey, man, what a great story. So, you may ask, how would J. Edgar Hoover catch Marcus Garvey? Well, he would use the first African-American FBI agent. Of course. This month, the FBI is marking the 100th anniversary of the hiring of the first African-American special agent.

1:22:31 It's a chapter of the Bureau's history that is not well known, but it's relevant to what is happening inside the FBI today. CBSU's Chief Justice and Homeland Security correspondent Jeff Pegas was given a rare access to the Bureau's archives and to top FBI officials. He's in our Washington Bureau. Good morning, Jeff. Good morning, Michelle. There are no known photographs of the first African-American special agent, but there is a record of his hiring a century ago. And as we look through the FBI archives, bureau officials told us that they believe there are lessons from the past that are relevant to what is happening today inside the FBI.

1:23:13 Inside FBI headquarters in Washington is an archive room filled with hundreds of thousands of documents in this loan application for the job of special agent. It was handwritten in 1919 by James Wormley Jones. Until now, the then 35-year-old has been a footnote in the Bureau's history. According to the FBI, Jones was employed exclusively in an undercover capacity. working directly under J. Edgar Hoover. More black agents would follow Jones's footsteps into the Bureau, and they too would work undercover in the black community.

1:23:51 Hoover would go on to become the longest-tenured FBI director, and targeting influential black Americans would become a pattern. In the 50s and 60s, Hoover targeted Martin Luther King Jr. for extensive surveillance. All right, so who is the James Wormley Jones of the Ados movement? Well, there isn't one. And the reason why I say that is, as with anything, you have to evolve, right? So, just a throwback clip: we have to talk about the civil rights movement and the media.

1:24:34 As a story, the civil rights movement had it all: good versus evil, drama, social upheaval. But at first, America's major media ignored it, especially in the South. It was our responsibility to find a way to dramatize the issue. Congressman John Lewis says that the movement's leaders realized to bring change, they needed to reach white Americans. How did you do that? As a movement, we literally put our bodies on the line to influence on the civil rights coverage. Hank Klibanoff co-wrote The Race Beat, a book about the media and the movement. Well, race was a big story in the South beginning in the 40s and 50s.

1:25:19 It's just that no one knew about it. Finally, by 1957, major northern newspapers discovered the drama and the story. How do you feel about integrated passengers? The television networks followed. Even major southern media paid attention to the open hatred. You've got to keep your white in the backseat and the violent response to peaceful protest. If you're going to beat us, beat us in the light of day, beat us by the camera's own. This was Selma, Alabama, 1965, among the bloodied John Lewis. American people could not stand it to see young children and old women being knocked down by fire hoses and chased by police dogs.

1:26:03 All right, well, media has certainly evolved since those days, so there's many options, I guess. The way they attack black movements now is to let it play out through the media. Yeah. As we've seen in the New York Times story, you throw enough food for one to two and then let them spot it out. So having more groups, throwing the red meat in this case, would be mainstream press coverage, letting it all scrap it out. Yeah, it's cynical, man, but it's the way it's going.

1:26:48 Now, I know there's some skeptics out there like, Mo, here you go again. You know, but there's a guy named Mr. Lois Lomax. And what Mr. Lois Lomax was able to do was to pit MLK against Malcolm X on national television. It has been suggested also that this movement preaches a gospel of violence. No, the black people in this country have been the victims of violence at the hands of the white man for 400 years. And following the ignorant Negro preachers, we have thought that it was godlike to turn the other cheek to the brute that was brutalizing us.

1:27:33 And today, the Honorable Elijah Muhammad is showing black people in this country that just as the white man and every other person on this earth has God-given rights, natural rights, civil rights, any kind of rights that you can think of when it comes to defending himself, black people should have, we should have the right to defend ourselves also. And because the Honorable Elijah Muhammad makes black people brave enough, men enough, to defend ourselves no matter what the odds are, the white man runs around here with the doctrine that Mr. Muhammad is advocating violence when he's actually telling Negroes to defend themselves against violent people. Reverend Martin Luther King preaches a doctrine of nonviolent insistence upon the rights of the American Negro.

1:28:17 What is your attitude toward this philosophy? The white man pays Reverend Martin Luther King, subsidizes Reverend Martin Luther King so that Reverend Martin Luther King can continue to teach the Negroes to be defenseless. That's what you mean by nonviolent. Be defenseless. Be defenseless in the face of one of the most cruel beasts. beasts that has ever taken the people into captivity. That's this American white man. And they have proved it throughout the country by the police dogs and the police clubs. A hundred years ago, they used to put on a white sheet and use a bloodhound against Negroes. Today they have taken off the white sheet and put on police uniforms. They've traded in the bloodhounds for police dogs, and they're still doing the same thing. And just as Uncle Tom, back during slavery, used to keep the Negroes from resisting the bloodhound or resisting the Ku Klux Klan by teaching them to love their enemy or pray for those who use them despitefully.

1:29:04 Today, Martin Luther King is just a 20th century or modern Uncle Tom or a religious Uncle Tom who is doing the same thing today to keep Negroes defenseless in the face of attack that Uncle Tom did on the plantation to keep those Negroes defenseless in the face of the attacks of the Klan in that day. Another interesting guy. Very interesting. Never heard of this before, of course. This is good. First African-American journalist. Yes. So you bring him on television, you throw him a question: well, what do you think about that king guy? And then you sit back and like, you know, let it roll.

1:29:46 Right, let it roll. Now, I'll say the same thing I said about the two gentlemen in modern day times. They could have had a conversation behind the scenes and not through the media. Because when you give it to the, as we all know, and if you don't know, when you give it to the media, they can clip it and edit it and make it seem any way possible. So Mr. Lois Lomax didn't stop there because he had Mr. King on. Malcolm X, one of the most articulate exponents of the black Muslim philosophy, has said of your movement and your philosophy that it plays into the hands of the white oppressors.

1:30:32 That they are happy to hear you talk about love for the oppressor because this disarms the Negro and fits into the stereotype of the Negro as a meat, turning the other cheek sort of creature. Would you care to comment on Mr. X's please? Well, I don't think of love as in this context as emotional bosh. I don't think of it as a weak force. But I think of love as something strong and that organizes itself into powerful direct action.

1:31:13 This is what I try to teach in the struggle in the South: that we are not engaged in a struggle that means we sit down and do nothing. That there's a great deal of difference between non-resistance to evil and non-violent resistance. Non-resistance leaves you in a state of stagnant passivity and deadly complacency. Wherein non-violent resistance means that you do resist in a very strong and determined manner. And I think some of the criticisms of nonviolence or some of the critics fail to realize that we are talking about something very strong and they confuse non-resistance with non-violent resistance.

1:32:08 So you saw Mr. Lomax bring Martin on saying, hey, you heard what King said about you? Yeah, oh, yeah, he was stirring the pot. Stirring the pot, let him sit back. And, of course, I'm sure that these two gentlemen were able to sit down, they could have came to some resolution. But what you have to look at is the group of people looking up to these two guys at the time. It's like now you have to choose one side or the other. Right. Which divides the group, weakens the group. And like I said, this is not exclusive to black America.

1:32:51 You see it in every Civil War created across the globe. The powers that be go in and power and arm one side to conflict and let them have it out with the other side of the conflict. And what's new and interestingly different today, of course, is that arming comes from status on social media, reach on social media. Perhaps there's some weaponization going on there with. with

1:33:31 promotion or deplatforming, God knows. But it seems like a repetition of history. Well, if the same trick works, yeah, you just tweak it. I mean, you just tweak it a little bit. Well, how come how come Tone doesn't see this? How come Terry, do they not see this? They're just too wrapped up in their own movements. Well, they're human. Yeah. And ego is the flaw of humans. And it gets in the way

1:34:15 of actual progress. I'm sure MLK and Malcolm knew better. But ego, you know, it gets in the way. But what I would want everybody to do, and the reason why, this reason why I made this episode, because I didn't want to add fuel to the fire, right? If we're talking about a counterintelligence program, or, you know, you don't want to, what you adding gas to the fire doesn't help it. What I want to do is put a blanket on the fire. Let's listen to the elders. Let's listen to Mr. Neely Fuller.

1:34:57 That's why I use his clips. You know, he's warning us, they're going to throw just enough food for half of us. Let's not fight over it. Right. And on the other hand, let's listen to Mr. Dr. Claude Anderson. If politics don't benefit us, then what the hell are we doing? Politics is a very simple process that says, I will define for you on who's going to get the benefits out of life. It's based on a simple premise of quid pro quo. Something for something. One hand washes the other. You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours. You vote for me,

1:35:39 I'll support you and do something for you. Black people, the only people that have never played politics to win. Isn't it interesting that quid pro quo is now this incredibly dirty term based on current events with Trump and Ukraine? Whereas that's exactly what everyone should be asking for in politics. When asked for a vote, there's a quid pro quo. And isn't it funny the same tricks now are being played on no, it's not funny. It's disheartening. It's disheartening. But isn't it weird that you're made funny is not the right word?

1:36:22 That we're seeing the same tactics used here. They're trying to get somebody to flip on Trump. Yeah. It's the same thing, divide and conquer. You know, they're bringing all these guys in, Stone and Manafort and all the guys like who's going to flip? Yeah. And they, and they use, well, he said this about Trump. He said that about Trump. When this guy leaves, when he leaves, when he leaves a post or relieved from his post, you know, everything negative said about him, you know, it creates a book. So it's the same, like I said, it's the same tactics. So we're being hoodwinked.

1:37:03 Yes, you have. It's been hoodwinked, been bullshit, led astray, run amok. Oh my God! Yeah. So where does that leave you, Mo? I mean, you've been very clear that, you know, you consider now the terminology you're using is native black because ADOS has become too weighted with it being a group and a definition. I understand that this show is, of course, doing something about that just by pointing out what's going on. But that must be very disappointing for you to see this. It was expected.

1:37:45 Yeah. Now, I'm not being cynical. No, no, no, no. And that's why I always made the distinction: I'm ADOS, not the group ADOS. Because I saw this coming of it becoming a group when you start seeing chapters form. Not to say anything bad about it, but it's just black lives do matter, but I don't support the group. Right. You get where I get where I'm going with it. Of course, of course. Where it leaves me at, where it leaves you at to actually answer your question, where it leaves me at. is on code. That's where it leaves me at. That's where I've always been.

1:38:29 If it's beneficial to my group of people, I'm all for it. But I will tell you this: the Democrats are playing a very dangerous game. Yeah, it could backfire. It could backfire very easily. Where we talked about the negative vote, you might actually create positive votes in the form of one Donald Trump. Yes, for the opposition. Exactly. Exactly. So, oh, so that is interesting. So, the situation as is, I'll just call it the black vote. And with that, I mean foundational black, native, black ADOS, the definition, being splintered

1:39:11 and perhaps to such a degree that everybody throws their hands up in disgust and says, you know what, Democrats, screw you. We're going to vote it for the other guy. There's a real segment of people that could possibly do that because everybody's not blind to what's going on here. And we know who funded that New York Times article. Well, who the inspiration was. Who? The Democratic Party. But I want to nail a name to the fence. It's unbelievable. It's un-American what's happening here. Well, no. It's quintessentially American, actually, if you look at the history, because it's what's been done

1:39:57 throughout the ages. Well, I'm reading through this paper, right? And I see no mention of 2016 election Hillary Clinton. So I don't think it's her. No, because if you're going to do it, you're going to say, you know, no, this kind of thing costs me, you know what I'm saying, the election. Right, right, right. I mean, I'm just speaking out of observation now. This thing, if I had to put a name on it, the Obama camp, because I said the timing of

1:40:39 the Deval Patrick, the woke, the Obama-Con. I mean, it's like bang, bang, bang, bang. And here we are. So we should take Duval Patrick extremely serious if he has this kind of support behind him with this type of coordination. Although, I don't know how well it worked in this case. You certainly noticed. Well, you're still going to have a certain segment of people. And what they're trying to do is, I think the numbers, and don't quote me on these numbers, I think it was 67% turnout. They're trying to hit that number, 59. It was in 2016 with the turnout.

1:41:20 So you just got to get it over 59. Yeah. So what they had to do now is to stop the bleeding because they're like, if we're going to 59, we're not going to win. And then you factor in, you put a black candidate up, sprinkle some Obama dust on him, and you might can get back to about 63, 64%. Right. Right. Well, that, Jam, this makes it, this makes it even more interesting. And I have not seen this kind of analysis anywhere, Mo. Congratulations on doing this. And it's complicated. I mean, and this names, I'm learning all these new names, people I've never heard of before. Yeah. Wow.

1:41:59 Well, I guess we'll just have to keep our eye on it and see how this progresses because this is not over, folks. This is not over. It's just starting, and we're still waiting on the swoop. Yep. Well, the swoop from Hillary, we'll see if that happens. You know, we have a couple other players, but yes, indeed. Maybe she was pre-swooped. Could be. I mean, the timing. And that'd be very Obama-very Obama-esque. You're so right. That she was ready to swoop. And who swoops in? Well, you got Bloomberg. I don't know what he's doing. But Deval Patrick came out of left field. And his packaging is almost perfect. And I say almost because I don't have an example of it.

1:42:42 Man, his voice is off. It's really wimpy. And I think he's ADOS, though. So he has that going for him that even Obama didn't have going for him. Right. Right, right, right. Wow. That could be an interesting, that could be a swoop on the swoop. A pre-swoop. Fantastic. Mo, thank you for pulling all of that apart for us so that we could look inside into this co-intel pro that is clearly taking place. Shame on the New York Times, but go for it. figure it's what it is. And well, all we can do is hope for some positive developments.

1:43:26 In one way or the other, something is definitely going to play out. It always does. And as I always say, pay attention to everything, and the truth will reveal itself. And we'll be telling you all about it right here on MoFax with Adam Curry. Remember, we are a value for value podcast. Go to mofundme.com, M-O-EfundMe.com, and consider supporting the work that is clearly being done. And always check back at MoFax.com for a brand new episode, which usually occurs every week. Talk to you next Monday, Mo. All right, see you later, Adam.