Topic: Vernon Howell

Former members describe the daily life at Mount Carmel as a communal existence modeled after the early apostles, centered on intensive Bible study. While critics like Jerry Falwell and the FBI labeled David Koresh a "cheap thug" and cult leader, his followers viewed him as a prophet with vast knowledge of science and scripture. The segment argues that public opinion of Koresh was manufactured by government agencies seeking to villainize the group.

Katherine Matteson recalls her early experiences with David Koresh when he was known as Vernon Howell, describing him as a young man who followed divine instruction. She dismisses allegations of rape and misconduct as fabrications by Mark Breault, who she claims unsuccessfully tried to usurp Koresh's leadership. Matteson also reflects on her 30 years at Mount Carmel under previous leaders like Ben and Lois Roden.

Catherine Madison refutes allegations of child abuse and ritual sacrifice, attributing the rumors to Mark Breaux, a former member in Australia who attempted to usurp Koresh's leadership. She cites a report from a Child Protective Services worker named Joyce, who allegedly found the children to be healthy and intelligent. Madison insists that Koresh (formerly Vernon Howell) never acted without divine instruction.

Madison recalls her first meeting with Vernon Howell in 1981 and his intensive five-hour Bible studies. She describes his background as a meticulous home builder and a street evangelist who worked to keep young people off drugs. Howell's transition to leadership is linked to his time with Lois Roden and his unique ability to interpret the Seven Seals of Revelation.