Unedited Interview With Waco Branch Davidian Survivor Cathrine Matteson By Mike Hanson(2000) [XpihEy5Umtk]

00:00 I love Mike Hanson Archives. Get ready to run folks, it's Mike Hanson here and I like that painting that was done in 1962 of the Come and Take It. And it's a beautiful painting if you ever want to see that person its at 3307 Highway 90 East alternate in Gonzales Texas at the Independence Motel here. It's in the lobby, that is so beautiful!

00:37 Well today I'm here to talk to you about an interview that I found recently, that i did in 2000 with Katherine Matteson. She was one of the oldest Branch Davidians and she died in 2010 it should be on this videotape, but I found it and I wanted to put it up unedited for y'all to see. Especially for Branch Davidians that are still living and Branch Davidian children that came out 27 years ago because it really tells you what your elders believed

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02:56 And that's in Gonzales, Texas 78629 Okay. Here is Katherine Madison I met Katherine Madison when she moved to Austin in 1995 to live with Wyla and We did get her on a couple of shows down here. I got those up on Mike Hanson archives But this is a never Scene interview with Katherine Madison and I'm going to you'll see her getting ready and all this stuff. I'm gonna run it for y'all Unedited because I think she has such a good personality And everything, I want you all to see She really cared about people in the other Branch Davidians and she's just basically a damn good person

03:51 And they were treated so bad by the media and the government. I'm glad we had the chance to rebuild a church for them, and just to get be with him for seven months up there in Waco was really great. Here it is folks, Catherine Madison's she's passed away now but she lives on in this video from the year 2000 Thanks a lot and God bless be sure to help support us send this $25 to that address and we'll send you a signed copy of this book and We're well, we can do a lot of money with a lot of good with $25 at least get one more video tape up

04:39 for history and that's what we're trying to do. We got all these thousands of tapes to get put up hopefully I'll live long enough to see it happen thanks a lot God bless it here is Katherine Mattison. It goes flop! Speak up real good too where you want stand? I can stand right there alright well then, I don't like that mirror but right here if all these eagles are good You know just tell what you want tell the people you know like you did Uh, let me see. Let's see... uh... What is that? The backlighting is hitting you. Hold on. Yeah you look good right there. Well let me just ask you some questions and then you can just fill in. First of all I want to thank everybody Is that what you wanted from me? Yeah basically because you haven't seen anybody since the uh... No I haven't

05:45 You want me to give my name and stuff? Yeah, yeah. Who you are... People know who you are though. I know it. I edit real good. Go ahead. I'm Catherine Madison and I especially want to thank everyone who contributed to the building out on Mont Carmel. I haven't gotten to send everyone a thank-you note The rate that I am going may never but I do thank you! And I am very appreciative of what you've all done I know that it never would have even started with all you people that came in and took over and made it work. I also want to talk about the trial, they had five people for the so-called jury now you know a jury is going to be 12 or it isn't a jury this was just a scene like for a movie when somebody's trying to prove something

06:49 What happened was they would not allow us to say anything. The minute we'd start to say something that would show them up, everybody run up to the judge and the judge would stop it. Of course he had made his mind up a long time ago. He made his mind up before he ever started to be judge at our courtrooms And he had decided what he was going to do. Of course, he did not give his verdict He has postponed it. He doesn't want too much publicity in certain ways But everybody knows what he's like Hey is for the government and he certainly is not for us I noticed when I went in and listened that they had men prepared to prove that

07:47 We had done the first shooting, which was a lie. I saw the first shots and they came from the helicopters and they tried to say there were no helicopters that had done any shooting Well, I saw them! And I heard em' They almost sounded like they were in my room and they were trying to kill David That's what they were trying to do because that is how his room gets so full of holes They wanted us all done away with, but there was no way they could do it. They tried but it just did not succeed When the trial was on and just before it was finished The lawyers told us that papers were going to be flying around In other words we were going back in jail But they never did that either because there were too many people who were against them and for us It takes the people To help put things straight

08:55 When a people does not stand up for the right, the enemies take over. And that's what had happened at MoCaMo. But they are more cautious now. They do not want anyone to group to get upset The one thing that the New World order, the reason why it's taken so long for them to get to where they are is because they've been very stealthful. They have slowly and surely

09:34 penetrated different areas, done different things to control. But they never have come out in full force. They're beginning to do that now because they feel that the people are not going to fight. Well I don't think it's time for guns. That time is coming but it isn't now. But to stand up and be heard... To stand up and tell the truth to stand up, to educate other people what has happened. That's what we should be doing now! That is what I try to do when i get a call from all over the country uh... when they're telling me that I owe certain amount of money I always end up telling them about Ron Connell and they are amazed they don't even know it happened well its our job as people who know the truth to get it out

10:37 You know, people say well you haven't got the title. We don't need a title we are entitled to that land That land belongs to us and they're not I know when i see certain sheriffs They know where belong there They know that I've lived on their land for over 30 years They're not going try to fight me but... Wait a minute Let me catch your breath I'll edit it I got questions for you too Well my question won't be, I mean my voice won't be on here but your answer is. That's alright A lot of people want to know what since the dedication how y'all been using the church and if you all are having services out there and all this say that? Well our job right now isn't trying to get in many people to come to church Our job is get ourselves in line so that when David comes we will be ready for that

11:42 then our church will be used to its fullest extent. We do have people that come in and sit down with us, a few not many but I don't expect many now it isn't time for them you must realize there are times for everybody at different times for different people and if you read what Solomon said you'll know there's a time for everything And when David comes back which he will Then it will be time for going after the ones that have been hurting the truth and hurting the people who want to understand the truth. There are many people caught up in one world government, I am sure they want to get out of it and they can't! Once you're in, they have you there solid

12:41 So I'm not concerned about who is for us or who is against us. I sure appreciate all the people I know, especially the ones in Austin and the different ones from around the country that I met that I never would have met if that church had never been built We will finally all get together! And you know people think now's a time to get a gun and shoot somebody? No You have to have a leader in order to do a job correctly. If everybody goes and does their own thing, it's chaos! And that's what Babylon is. You know yourself that the people who were supposedly running the show at MoCama when it was being attacked... The right hand didn't know what the left hand was doing and that's an absolute fact But anyway I do want to thank everybody for all of your help and all your support

13:47 You don't know how much that means because this place, Waco. The people are not... I'm not talking about everybody because I've met many people who are for us and thought it was the worst thing in the world that ever happened but the moneyed people here who are in control they don't want anybody here that is against them They wanna get rid of them But they have to be careful right now And I'm thankful for that because someday we won't have to be careful. I want to go after them Another question for you, Catherine There's a lot of things going around not on it on any of our shows and my voice won't be on here So just you have to kind of answer the question where the people know what you're talking about But there are other shows on the same AC TV that were on that are now saying

14:52 Y'all committed suicide and that you tortured the kids and all this can you respond to that? And please clear that up for us because we want to make sure that's cleared up Dan force come out, and it's kind of said there well many people have picked up what my bro started and Mark Rose started back in Australia he got a group of people together there that had been part of our group and He started to tell a story about how we were torturing the children and how we were abusing them, and how we were sacrificing them. Many of the people stood up and said that isn't true because they knew us, they had been here. That is not true! But out of the group that started there was eight people left And those eight people with Mark Burrow wrote letters to our ambassador in Australia

15:58 and told all these stories that were untrue. And those were sent to the United States, Britain... All the places where there were people from that country. I often wondered why Britain did not stand up for their people! A third of our people are from Great Britain but they did not stand up for them. A third of our people are black And no blacks stood up for them, which is very unusual. You know that. And the problem was they had sent all these terrible stories around to these different groups so they would not stand up for us. But then of course when they start to find out the truth, then they change. But there were no children sacrificed or abused

16:56 Joyce came in. She was the lady that came in to check them out for the government, and I talked with her and she said you know your children are very smart. She said they answered every question They are very polite And she said I have checked every one of them there is no abuse. She said I could not find any kind of abuse Now, I was glad that I had the opportunity to talk to her because she was the one who went back and gave the report. And she gave the right report but what happened they would not let that report out! But it did come out at 1030 one morning when they were talking They had set up for the media but nobody ever picked it up

17:57 So how would you respond to these reports that are now circulating again, and believe me they're circulating again. That David Koresh was raping young girls and all this? Please tell them that you knew him and clear that up for them, Catherine. Now I knew David when he was Vernon. Vernon came in in 81. He was a young man In fact, he stayed at Mount Carmel and he would come into the big house and take a shower because the shower wasn't working. And I used to get after him because like all young men, he'd take his shoes off and throw them in the kitchen or wherever they happened to land in their socks you know? And I used to get after him and say put them in the laundry so that I won't fall down and break my neck

18:55 David never did one thing that God did not tell him to do. David never did anything of himself, and I know that for an absolute fact. I lived there, and I was in the same house with him for years. I talked with him extensively before he became David and after he became David. There was none of this things that they talked about

19:33 That is ridiculous. God says rape is murder, He would not let anyone that is connected with Him do anything like that so you can forget all the rotten stories you've heard everything you have heard before was brought out by Mark Burrow who was trying to usurp David out of the position he had and take it over but he didn't have the ability He tried it one time. David was gone, and he tried to take over... He tried to sound like David! He tried to have the same form as David. Knee fell flat on his face I mean, i just got disgusted with him because he was not David. He did not understand what David understood? He was just out to be leader, the one in charge Well, he turned out to be a nothing

20:42 He's in Australia now. He did marry that girl and he wanted to marry, and I hope they're happy." How many people were in Mount Carmel when they attacked it? I hadn't figured out there was more than 80. There was one time where we had 150 there so I can't say for sure. I know it could be in the 90s And you lived at Mount Carmel over 30 years Yes I did. I lived there when Ben Roden was a leader

21:24 I worked with Lois Roden for 15, 20 years where we worked together and traveled together all over the United States. Went to Israel and to kind of think in the name on that side. I'll cut this out, Catherine don't worry about it. I'm trying to think of a name of it. The island over there... Anyway, let me ask you some more questions because I'll edit it real good for you. Okay And put it on a piece...I'l send you copy of the tape They're starting to come out with the same old story that David Koresh gave the order to light the fires and they even got a tape of this supposedly Can you counter? Can you counter this somehow but asked the question I mean answer the question with my question You know is laughable what they try to do

22:32 I remember one morning David came downstairs. When he'd come down lots of times in the morning, it was and tell us something because God had given him something to tell us and he told us... He said, God told me I was not to commit suicide for any reason! We are not to commit suicide for any reason!! And i know that anyone is stupid who's going to burn themselves when they could take a gun or something else and put them out of their misery, if they really wanted to commit suicide. That is not the way to do it! That is not the smart way to commit suicide- To burn yourself? That is very hard to live with! No... He never said light a fire for that reason. Now we did have a large

23:34 What do you call them where we used to light it for heat? It was a great big thing, about this big. We had... Heaters? No it was something else that we used for heat. It's huge and it just have gasoline or some kind of liquid in there Yeah because they're saying they found these gasoline cans and all this kinda stuff Gasoline cans because we had propane lights! We had them from the time over in Palestine I use to have three of em myself So that wouldn't be strange to you for them to have found the gasoline cans inside the church because they were using them for heat. Well, they weren't using that for heat but they were using it for light They could use it for light But these big things...they were from there to here Furnaces? No! They were like a tank That they'd light up and it would

24:40 to heat the room up. We had one for the church, one for the dining room and when we wanted it warm that's where we'd go if it was really cold because we didn't have individual heating except we had something in our home and most of us could not...we were told we could not use electrical because our wiring wasn't safe he had put a special wire down at the end dining area so we could plug in a hair dryer and anything that would bring in and would use a lot of amps you know, but That is just laughable. Well see this is why we want to clear up a lot of these there's even people on this network Saying that you know like I said that's one thing We just cleared up David Koresh tortured and raped children And that is

25:49 Is there anything you want to say to correct that? Because there's people on this network saying that. Well, it was proven that they're not...it's not true! It has been proven! Joyce proved it! She went back and gave a report on it. Okay who is Joyce because a lot of people know her. Joyce was the uh... Child Protective? Well she was in the Child Protective but she also what was it The service. Child protective service? Yeah, but there was another service connected with it I can't think of the words Well, I'll cut it down

26:32 Well, let me ask you another question because I'll edit this together. What do you see happening with the land at Mount Carmel? What what do you envision? Do you want it back the way it was before or...what's your envision on that? We can never put it back to where it was! We can never build a building the way it was. We could never raise the money to build a building the way it was It is an impossibility Why would we build a building that big?! We had 150 people to take care of then. We don't have 150 people now! Most of them died in the fire. Oh, there are still nine in jail but if the nine came out and five of us is here how many is that? And then a few that's in other states came back here we might have about 30... 36 But what do you envision? What do you want to happen with Mount Carmel Right now

27:31 I like to see the people off that don't belong there. I would like to have a place of my own to live on there, but it's an impossibility for me because I do not have the means to do it and so I've just forgotten about it. I went around looking at trailers and saw a beautiful one but shoot! I couldn't even buy the cheapest one they had." What the best solution would be for everybody to have their own housing out there and have the community? Well, everybody would have to have their own housing. I had my own house before we built that big building so did some of the other people but then it got to where there were so many people coming in we didn't have a place for them to sleep

28:20 We didn't have a place for them to eat. The first thing we built was the place where we could have a kitchen and where we could have a place where all of us could eat because when people came in from California, and all over... When he asked everyone to come in, we had a lot of people there. We had about 100 people there. And it would fluctuate sometimes we'd have more sometimes we'd have less but That's why that big building was built to accommodate everyone that wanted to stay there. As it was, there were four people in some of the rooms sleeping on car...on bunks so I mean even though we had a lot of bedrooms How would you respond to the people who constantly say well they had guns there? Sure we had guns We had guns because we're in the gun business

29:25 We had to find a way to keep ourselves above water so we wouldn't sink. We had to have a way to make money, so we did not have to sit at an 8-5 job and the solution was brought to us by Henry who came in and said why don't you go to the gun shows? And he let us use his license for... He let us use his license And he said, I'll show the boys how to do it. There is a gun show every weekend! Texas has always been gun happy! The lawyer I had told me that he had more guns than we had He said are they going to come after me? You never can tell you better be careful But there's people here that have That's what they were brought up on The children that were brought up in Texas Even in David's time

30:41 It wasn't crowded the way it is now. Everything is overcrowded, you go into a city and so crowded you can't get around! It wasn't like that when I first came here and it wasn't like that when Vernon was born He lived out near Tyler he was out in the country they went hunting rabbits and things sure they learned how to use guns but I'm going tell ya something this...the West was settled with guns and this country was built on guns. What do you think happened when they, men who are heroes now? They weren't heroes in their day! They were traitors! They went after the English who was the ones...who was the government! And you know why they won? Because the English would stand in line and pull the triggers. These men

31:51 I read an article and it said when England found out how many men were shot during a very small period of time, they were astounded. We won the war by being... what do you call it? Not terrorists. Where they ambushed them. What's the name for it? Patriots? No no. They use it now in everywhere

32:29 when they want to take a place over. Anyway, they weren't formal army! Everybody took their gun and went out and shot somebody else! That wasn't... Do you know they wanted to put Washington? And all the men that signed the Declaration of Independence do you know they wanted to put them all in jail?! Do you know lot of them went into bankruptcy because the people that were in charge got after them Try to make them stop. How do you think they're going to treat people these days? They can't do the same thing. They're gonna economically, they are gonna hit them in many other ways Well I'm trying to touch on all of these things that people are talking about lately Okay here's another one that people keep saying and i hear it over and over and over That yall were some kind of a cult Can you respond to that

33:34 Well, do you think the Christians are a cult? Of course they are. They believe in Jesus! One man in charge of a group of millions of people?! That's a cult!! Now how do ya fight that?? You can't. We were not a cult... we were a family. We were small enough to be a family and WE WERE. and y'all got along, black white. That's right! Yellow red we had every nationality we had every color in there and like David said one morning he came in he said blacks I hate ya'lls Reds He said I hate whites He said you are not that at all You are light And that is what we are We carry the light within us

34:41 because the light was given to us by David giving us understanding of God. So we're not black, we're not white, we're not yellow... We are light! And when you talk to us, you don't know who we are but we know who we are and so nothing that you do to the flesh can hurt us Oh it hurts the flesh but it doesn't hurt US because what we have stored in our brain

35:23 will take us through eternity. And I wish every one of you had that, but you've got to want it and be willing or don't. Thank you very much. Well, wait a minute I'm not through asking questions. Kathryn just be aware that this is going to play on AXS TV and there's about 500 thousand people hooked up to it. So I want you to come out with it and tell the people because I am sick and tired of hearing these people that didn't even know David Koresh. And I didn't know David Koresh but...I want you to tell the people exactly

36:06 what David Koresh was and the lies. Catherine, tell them! Hey I knew him... Well I knew Vernon when he first came He gave me the first five hour study just for me And it was before he and Lewis were going over to Israel They were going over to the office we had there Then he gave us

36:47 When he first came in, I should start here. When he first came in in 81, Lois and I were the only ones that sat and listened to him He gave a five hour study And it didn't make sense to me because I thought I was a student A Bible student But I'll tell you, I found out I knew nothing Nothing! He would talk about something that was in the scriptures and I had never even heard of it Well, he found out most of us were like that

37:24 We had a smattering of Bible, no matter how much we had studied. And I'd always been interested in the Bible from the time I was 15. We all have a smattering of...we had gone through...I had been a Baptist, I had been a Catholic, I became a Baptist, I became an Adventist and I thought man these people really know the Bible and carry it with them you know? I found out they didn't know nothing! All they knew is the Sabbath and they knew the Kingdom that's about it And then I met Brother Roden, and I listened to him. And Brother Hodduff, I studied him. And then Lois...I became very friendly with Lois and I traveled with her and lived with her. After Lois, Vernon came out of the saint. But Vernon knew the scriptures like no one had ever conversed with. Like I say that first day he gave Lois and me

38:37 Five hours study. He went away, but he came back and when he came back, he came back to just live there because he had heard that Lois was a prophetess and she was! And she had a message...and her message wasn't the female part of it that God gave Her message was the female The Bible says let us make man in our image male and female created he them If you stop and think about it

39:19 You know the male, the Father in Christ. Where's the female? Do you know where the female is?" Well that was her message and she brought it to us and it opens the scriptures like you have never seen. Well when David came like I say he was not a preacher He had had many experiences. He'd had many times that God had spoken to him and showed him things but

40:01 He thought everybody had that experience, but he found out nobody else had. Well like I say he gave that five hour study to both of us and then he came and started to see...He was a...he built a race car when he was 15. He worked with his grandfather who had a business where he built homes and built businesses And he worked for him for years and years. And he could do a man's job, in fact when he'd go out when he was at Mount Carmel and he would go up to Dallas He could do...he was a finisher! He was a man that he could come in and he could do anything and he could do the most meticulous work. And he was good at his jobs

41:03 So he always could get one. And they paid him top money The problem was when he'd get so much money, he would quit and go out evangelizing He was a street evangelizer when we met him He was interested in young people. He hated to see the young people going into drugs cigarettes and stuff Like I say, the next time he gave me a five-hour study was before he went to Israel where he and Lois were going over to Israel to go to the office and doing things there. And it still was hard for me to keep all this in. I could never give it to anybody. I still can't give it to anybody. There is so much in it! I sat ten years listening to David

42:00 show what the Bible was saying. He showed us Paul, what Paul was really talking about. People that uphold Paul don't even understand what Paul is saying! If they did they'd be astounded as far as David with the people? The children loved David he come in and sit down we had a big chair that he sat in And the children always wanted to go up and sit in his lap. Catherine, how does it make you feel though? To see the reports out here that people didn't even know David Koresh calling him a pedophile, a rapist... How does that make you feel knowing that's not true because this needs to be countered Because what I understand and what I know when I hear people like that I feel sorry for them

43:13 I feel sorry that they could be so stupid. You know, David told us what stupidity is. David said, stupidity is believing many things but understanding little. A person that talks about something that they do not understand is pitiful and they deserve your pity! Not your rage. The day will come when the rage will take care of them but not today You see, we are living in a time where everybody is choosing what they want to be. Everybody is choosing who they will follow. Will they follow God? The god of heaven or will they follow Satan the god of the world Most of them are following God, the god of the world and he will take anybody under his wing that he can get He doesn't treat him nice I mean

44:26 He doesn't love them and take care of them. He hurts them, he puts many diseases on his own people but I feel sorry for the people that do not understand and because they have an opportunity to understand They will have to suffer the consequences Now when David comes back They will still have a time where they can learn the truth

45:02 If they continue to turn away from the truth, they will go through the seven deaths. And one of the deaths by the way is like a flood where people were drowned in and they would want to die and it would seem like they have died but they have not died, there are going to be alive and go through their next death so why should I be upset with people like that? I'm sorry for them I pity them. That's all. Okay, another question to explain... They said and it is still going on now because I just heard it the other day that David Koresh said he was Jesus Now what your opinion of that? Is that true or false? Well anybody who has studied the scriptures never said he was Jesus. I will tell you right now He never claimed he was Jesus But anybody who has studied the Bible at all knows

46:15 that Christ was considered the Lamb. Any true Bible student will say that Christ is the Lamb! Now when you get to Revelation, in Revelation 5 it says who is able to open the seals? And the answer is nobody in heaven nobody on earth and nobody under earth Nobody who has ever lived or is living in heaven can do it...nobody

46:56 But the book is in the Father's hand, and the book is going to be given to someone who can open it. And the Lamb is the one that has given the Book." Then people say, oh yeah! That's Jesus up in heaven! That isn't Jesus but the Lamb IS Christ and the only one I know that can open the seals...is David. I've never heard anyone that could take a whole Bible and put it together so it made sense

47:37 And everything fits together. It isn't something hanging out here that you say, what happened to that? Well, that doesn't matter. No. The whole thing goes together. Every prophecy that goes with the seals is explained. The whole Bible is explained. So I personally believe that David was God and will always be God Now, if you can't handle that I feel sorry for you. But that's your problem and it isn't mine. Okay but is that the consensus of all the surviving Branch Davidians? Or just your opinion... I can only speak for myself You'll have to ask them. You know, Ed has already talked about it Others have already talked about it but doesn't matter who believes in it or who doesn't A hundred people can believe something and they can be wrong That doesn't mean anything

48:49 I know it. I don't just believe it, I know it Anything else for the people Catherine? Anything to close it out because I need to close them out Well I've already closed it you can take that Alright anything else that I can add in there any other lies that you've heard that you want to... Because I'm going make this difficult Oh I have heard so many and I'll tell ya what I do not remember them because I just put em out of my mind because I know where they come from They come from Satan

49:25 I'm not interested in Satan. But as far as you're concerned, the Branch Davidians that were living at Mount Carmel in 1993 were good decent people? Let me tell ya this... There isn't a person that's walked the earth who isn't wicked and we are the most wicked people God chose Sister White says he scraped the bottom of the barrel when He chose His people. So that doesn't make us very high, it doesn't make us very good but there will come a day when we will be pure and righteous and good and have the complete mind of God and there'll be no sin in us because We will have them clean and God will do it

50:34 And that's what I'm looking forward to. The only person who has ever walked the earth that wasn't sinful was Christ, and the record is there for you to read. Oh yes let me say one more thing... David called himself the sinful Messiah because God- Let me go back When Christ walked the earth they couldn't stand him because he was perfect! Because He WAS sinless and HE could not get to the people

51:24 Even his own men, he couldn't get to them. People hate somebody who is perfect even a pitter-perfect they can't stand him but when David came to the earth this time He was not sinful and he was not pure and without sin. He was a sinful Messiah what he did? He committed sins that God told him to commit But he was messiah nevertheless

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53:38 Hello folks, this is Mike Hanson here on Mike Hanson archives on YouTube and here on my Facebook and we're here at the 25th anniversary of The memorial service here in Waco Texas. And we got Clive Doyle here Can you tell us a little bit about what your thoughts are on the 25th anniversary? Here It's uh It's alright everybody knows It's kind of hard. My daughter just died, my daughter just died there. That's what I heard and we didn't put it out on the internet because we were asked not to this is first time people out here on my a lot of them don't know yet

54:38 That was your first daughter died at Mount Carmel and this was another daughter. This is my oldest daughter, she's the youngest that died in the fire. Karen was coming down had a plane booked she was coming down for the memorial and ended up dying in a head-on collision with a drunk driver people up in Pennsylvania saying that it was deliberate, it wasn't an accident. Tried to run a cop off the road first I guess the cop avoided it tried to run down another woman and she avoided it. Ken was third in line so they say she died instantly which is

55:37 At least she didn't suffer too much. But seems like every year there's a few more to go. Yeah, it's just not many left Clive I'm so sorry for all the stuff that has happened to y'all and hopefully it will get better but you always say its gonna be better It'll get worse before it gets better Well once we're gone here maybe KRLD Called me this morning. Well, what do you think the government's learned in 25 years? I said nothing except don't have the press that filming everything There's Desi okay well we're getting ready to start what who do you got speaking this year Phil Arnold James Tabor, I believe Catherine Wessinger

56:35 Mary Lynn Bowen wants to say a little bit. Oh good, I can't wait to see her! There's a lot of people. Alright well we're getting started here folks hope y'all can make it here for the 25th anniversary and what is the address? If they can still make it. 701 Jefferson Waco, TX hope to see you here folks! It is the best and most comprehensive book on Bohemian Grove and it's written by Mike Hanson my old camera guy. Okay, hi Sheila 25th anniversary of what happened. How are you? Right here tell them to come on down we still got time. It's live What do you think about the 25th anniversary real quick before we go in? Sorry that it is so 25 years I'm sorry that its taking so long We want to get home and God to come

57:27 change all this. Amen! You don't have to think about people being dead, you know? Yes and look at all this food you brought yes you got everything well we still got time to get here okay April 19th no it's just plain bread 2018 what time is food uh 12 30 quarter one whatever one o'clock all right come on park your car and come on in alright thank you all right folks Come on, anybody want to come up here? Alright that's it. Alright who wants a ladle? Let Jeanie go. Go ahead. Yes sir. God bless the Republic! Death to New World Order!!!