Topic: Gasoline

A caller identifies the Texas Lehigh plant in Buda as the site of controversial tire burning. The conversation shifts to the high rate of taxation on gasoline and the host's estimate that the average citizen pays 50% of their income in various taxes and fees.

Katherine Matteson disputes the claim that David Koresh ordered the lighting of the fires at Mount Carmel, stating he explicitly preached against suicide. She explains that gasoline and propane cans found on the property were used for lighting and heating because the building's electrical wiring was unsafe. She reiterates that the Child Protective Services investigation by a woman named Joyce had already cleared the group of prior misconduct.

Catherine Madison recounts her 30-year history at Mount Carmel, including her time with previous leaders Ben and Lois Roden. She strongly denies the "suicide" narrative of the 1993 fire, stating that Koresh explicitly taught against suicide. She explains that gasoline cans found on site were used for propane lights and large heaters, not for arson.