Jeff Davis(Classic 1997) Waco： The Big Lie [jNs48pJr2ms]

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02:32 I hope we are back. Okay, mystery Babylon religion. Let me just read a little bit about mystery Babylon religion. Now folks you're largely not going to hear any of this information in the so-called mainstream they're gonna tell you that these little small time religious operations are dangerous ones They're not gonna tell you about the real wolves and sheep's clothing out there ready to devour ya that killed umpteen millions just a few centuries back The Inquisition by the way which was which was organized by the Catholic Church. Now this doesn't mean just the Catholic church is corrupt and wicked, quite frankly my Bible doesn't even talk about Catholics or Baptists or Pentecostals or Episcopalians or any of this

03:24 The bottom line is that all of the organized religions are man-made, not God made and are part of the obey Caesar package which keeps us enslaved to the end of the system. But let me just read here from Mystery Babylon religion that so openly corrupted the fallen church become in the Middle Ages Catholic Church we can readily understand why in many places men rose up and protested. Many were those noble souls who rejected the false claims of the Pope, looking instead to the Lord Jesus for salvation and truth. These were called heretics and were bitterly persecuted by the Roman Catholic Church

04:05 One of the documents that ordered such persecutions was the Inhuman Ad, Esterpanda issued by Pope Innocent IV in 1252. The document stated that heretics were to be crushed like venomous snakes. It formally approved the torture and civil authorities were ordered to burn heretics. One of the most popular methods that was used during the Inquisition, which is a long table on which the accused was tied by hands and feet back down and stretched by rope windless. The Iron Virgin was a hollow instrument to size and figure of a woman

04:52 Blah blah blah. It goes on to tell you all about how great the Roman Inquisition was, and we're going to start talking about cults people this anti-Christ media that's throwing out this line at anybody that is against what is going on in the world here somehow the anti government or the cults are all of these they themselves are the propaganda masters And they themselves are the hate ministers and the masters of propaganda, agents of propaganda. Protecting the real wicked forces that are controlling this world right now not to defend these Heaven's Gate people because like I said I didn't know them or never even heard about them but the fact is when you want to start looking at cults and different groups and organizations

05:45 that are wicked, you better start looking at the people who really control this world and the agents of misinformation and the agents of deception being the media that perpetrate these lies upon us. Now with that folks, we're going to go ahead and play now just about 25 minutes of the last ending of a video called Day 51 which is involved one of the so-called Davidians, Branch Davidians. One of the so-called cults and watch it closely folks because you will see the media machine in place

06:24 As it attempted through day one, they were molesting kids. Day two that's not bad enough they had drugs in there. Day three they had guns in there. When agents of deception perpetrated their finally the statement was made that these people were suicidal in there and that they all burned themselves to the ground. Now with this latest incident, with the 39 members of California, they're stating that's the largest suicide in America so if that's the case then of course that would mean that the Davidians...they're saying to you

07:09 The Davidians did not kill themselves, which ultimately means they were murdered. So with that we're going to go with day 51 and watch the whores in the media, the masters of deception, agents of deception propagate their tale on Waco, on the Waco situation a little over three-and-a-half years ago Day 51, about 20 minutes. We'll be back with some more phone calls... But they should have known that most of the guns were in Austin with Paul Potter The ATF had an undercover house across the street 100 yards away from the front door at Mount Carmel Center They had that place under surveillance 24 hours a day every day for weeks prior to February 28 raid And they had to be aware of the fact that Paul was working these gun shows and it seems to me unless you're completely ignorant

08:05 of reality, they ought to have been able to see from 100 yards away Paul leaving to go this gun show and after weeks of surveillance and several of these shows should've figured out that the vast majority of those weapons would not have even been there. Guns may not have been the only thing the ATF was looking for Jeff Little was an analyst a computer analyst for Yamaha of America's headquarters in Buena Park, California. Branch Davidians Jeff Little and Wayne Martin had been conducting their own investigation of the ATF using computers located inside Mount Carmel

08:45 I think that the possibilities for Jeff Little and Wayne Martin to have been able to tap into information concerning the ATF or any other part of the federal government would be very high. They were collecting information on all of the ATF activities over those last several years." In April 1991, after Operation Desert Storm Marine Corps fast sea lift vessels returned to Port Arthur, Texas. A ship's officer who refused an interview and does not wish to be identified says that his ship's cargo hold was full of helicopters. Concealed inside the helicopters were thousands of weapons confiscated from captured Iraqi soldiers

09:35 These helicopters with the weapons inside were then loaded onto flatbed rail cars and shipped to Fort Sill, Oklahoma. It is believed that these firearms are intended for distribution to American street gangs which are currently being converted by police agencies into law enforcement units The weapons of course would not be traceable These gangs, working with the ATF will be used to enter civilian homes to confiscate weapons. Is it possible that Jeff Little and Wayne Martin accessed classified government computer files through a back door and had obtained this information? Yeah I think that its very possible that there could have been some kind of information they had on the computer

10:26 inside the building there that was information the ATF did not want to get out. And I think they seemed to be awfully anxious to get into that one window, that everyone saw them going into and there's a possibility it might have been something besides guns they were after. Evening settled in over the dark hills of Central Texas and the long siege began. 51 days of terror, 51 days of darkness and hope and frustration...and all of America lived through it Never before in the history of law enforcement had so many personnel exerted so much effort for so little reason

11:33 The search warrant primarily listed conversion kits, which may have altered an AR-15 assault rifle which might have been installed by the Branch Davidians. Which could have created an illegal machine gun to make such a weapon legal A $200 tax must be paid Therefore the ATF and FBI ultimately spent seven million dollars in order to collect 200 bucks Did the police believe David Koresh was a vicious criminal guilty of kidnapping, rape murder and all sorts of heinous crimes? No they did not. McClennan County Sheriff Jack Harwell knew David on first name basis and in 1987 following a shootout with George Roden had arrested David and searched the property without incident

12:33 Americans everywhere sat in the comfort of their homes and watched the drama unfold. They witnessed the trampling of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights Those who seek to control guns will also try to control people, those who control the masses care not for the lives of innocent men women and children The standoff at Mount Carmel gradually evolved into a surreal cosmic struggle between good and evil, freedom and slavery, free will and tyranny. The next day Monday March 1 dawned clear and bright however

13:19 A radio talk show host in Dallas, Ron Engelman refused to tow the official government line and took up the cause of the Branch Davidians. I'll see you guys out there and then i'l give ya that book out there The NAFTA Agreements I'm gonna give both... You can take the other one to the library The standoff continues in Waco this evening. The KGBS radio personality wants to take a van into the compound with two surgeons to treat any wounded Branch Davidians We're treating these people worse than we treat prisoners of war, prisoners of war get medical attention Nobody is receiving medical attention in there

13:55 Why did they kill Randy Weaver's wife? Why did they kill Randy Weaver's 14-year old son by shooting him in the back four times. Our government has run amok! The FBI, and particularly the ATF. That's the problem! The first article they wrote says in the article they have a .50 caliber machine gun Well, they've never been able to find that 50-caliber machine gun I'm just saying what the ATF did was illegal Why are they coming into our state? They way their coming in here and just acting like a bunch of renegades The entire branch Davidians were hostages of the ATF They didn't surrender, they were leaving there homes

14:40 Ron Engelman was outraged over the attack on this peaceful religious commune. The siege was underway and Ron wanted to help. Monday morning, I decided... ...I'm gonna tear him a new ass! The ATF! I go to work Monday morning on my way to work. His position on the ATF stirred up a lively debate, and Ron Engelman became the target of much criticism from the establishment press. We were critical of Ron that we didn't think he should get involved in that part of the process... set David Koresh off in some way or another. We don't know... Throughout that first Sunday evening, some of the Branch Davidian children were sent out in exchange for the FBI allowing a message from David Koresh to be broadcast over Dallas station KRLD. My father my God who sits on the throne in heaven has given me a book of seven seals

15:39 In Revelation 10, verse 7 of this sealed book the mystery of God is to be finished. David Koresh believed as do all other branch Davidians to this day that they were at the fifth seal and the fifth seal meant that there was going to be something, something was going to happen to those that believe in God. At that night as he was able to broadcast and give messages over the radio in order for him to do that He would have to make force two or three children to leave their home

16:22 to leave their parents and go into the custody of the same people that had just killed a number of those inside, had wounded a number of those inside, had terrorized everyone inside. And have now had the place surrounded and these little children were forced to leave their home and go into the hands of those people I don't know if I would allow my child to do that On day three of the siege, Tuesday March 2nd David Koresh set a tape out with Katherine Madison. The agreement was they would all come out if the tape, a 58-minute sermon, was broadcast on radio stations during prime time. They were supposed to play the tape at primetime now that could have meant two different things. Primetime or drive time on radio would be like from four to six in the evening. Primetime on television would be like from seven o'clock till ten o'clock or eight o'clock till eleven o'clock

17:20 And that's when they wanted the tape played. The tape was actually played at 1 30 in the afternoon, and there is every possibility in the world that they were not listening to the radio when the tape was played and therefore never knew that the tape was played. That may be one of the reasons why it didn't come out." The Branch Davidians did not leave Mount Carmel following the broadcast of David Koresh's sermon. The FBI said that David had lied to them But later, Sheila Martin told us the actual reason for not coming out. That's one of the reasons David stayed in he knew that the land would become ours free and clear if my understanding is... On or about March 22nd 1988 a Waco judge issued a verbal order that the Ranch Davidians must occupy the 77 acre plot of land continuously for a period of five years then it would become legally theirs

18:12 The five-year period would not expire for another 20 days. Inside Mount Carmel were about 100 people. They represented a diverse racial and cultural mix of nationalities, but we're all there for one purpose only... to study the Bible We were trying to live in the community like the early apostles did you know sharing all things having things in common that's why we lived together as a family You know? Like Christ said to his- The people of His day who are my brothers and my sisters and my mother These that are with me, that follow me and do what I say. Their leader of course was David Koresh. Contrary to what the FBI told us, David never claimed to be Jesus Christ

18:57 The people inside Mount Carmel followed him because they believed he was a prophet and had great skill in teaching the Bible. We liked being there when we had the long studies, it's because we were just having fun and long studies were just something that was combination of a lot of things It wasn't that we sat there all the time And we would have breaks would go off and check on the children and see what things are gonna fix for breakfast? then will come back You know, just normal things that just appear to people. But when you like something you're going to sit there and don't mind it Many times we'd be one o'clock or two in the morning and he would say, It's getting late And I said no, thats alright He would take us on such a high level that...I couldn't follow him! I like the scientific, anything scientific He went into things about space Things about....just anything

19:50 He had every subject there was. And I mean, he could give you knowledge about it like you would never learn anywhere else. Vernon Howell thinks that he's the Lamb of God when all he is is a cheap thug who interprets the Bible to... Whatever you may think of David Koresh just remember that your opinion was established by the FBI which had a tremendous stake in villainizing him The persons who follow true religion follow a message, a ministry Persons who follow a cultic leader follow a man, a messenger, a person. Mainstream religious leaders such as Dr. Jerry Falwell joined the government's critical view of David Koresh My main object was following truth it was not following a person

20:38 Their religious beliefs, that's their belief. I mean each person religion is his own business. It's like each person politics is." Those who live near Mount Carmel such as Walter Dulock, proprietor of a grocery store in Elk knew the Branch Davidians and had no problem with them. Yeah, there's one guy this fellow Woodrow Kendrick because they got charged with murder well he was in our store last night he'd run a charge account with me you know it wasn't nothing wrong that guy I mean... You know i don't know about his personal life but to me he was just an average guy walks into the store It is true that David Koresh had children by some of the other women at Mount Carmel But our investigation finds the charges of child abuse were false

21:20 There were several previous state investigations which also failed to produce any evidence of abuse and the case was officially closed on April 30, 1992. We had no evidence so it was a very frustrating time for us. Talk about this sex business there I mean with underage girls...I don't know whether that's true or fact or whether that's just I mean, you know all I know is what I read in a paper and see on TV. And the child protective agencies was out there several times and they couldn't find nothing wrong so i mean that you know...I don't know what to.. You know where all this stuff comes from? The siege wore on and all communication with the outside world was cut off

22:07 A caller to Ron Engelman's talk show suggested the Branch Davidians move their satellite dish as an indication they were listening. The compound's phone lines have been diverted for a week, keeping David Koresh from the attention he apparently craves But an FBI ban on contact with the media isn't keeping talk show host Ron Engelman from trying to reach the cult leader. Tuesday morning he asked compound members over the air, to move their satellite dish if they were listening to him And about two minutes later Ken comes back on the phone and says The dish moved! They're listening to you

22:45 Then a caller to Engelman's show suggested a more visible sign. If they put a weird flag out that second story window or something, it's going to get somebody's attention. Shortly after noon, a white flag appeared at the second floor window and stayed there for half an hour The Branch Davidians and David Koresh do want communications with us They want me in there... In a later phone call, Branch Davidian member David Thibodeau told how it felt to realize that someone was trying to contact them. Running up and down the halls going, they're listening move the satellite dish! It was a very high moment it was very exciting I just remember everybody's being so overwhelmed with joy that someone was listening you know? That we could communicate somehow to people if they'd cut us off

23:31 The longer they negotiate, the more the people can come out. Koresh? I don't know he is strongly delusionary very paranoid probably sociopathic He's locked in. I don't know if they'll get him out or not Okay from the very first day The news media deliberately sought out only those persons with ill feelings towards the Branch Davidians and David Koresh in particular All that time, living right here in Waco was a gentleman who was not prejudiced and knew them well. I am Dewey Millay. I am an atropathic doctor. I have lived in Waco about six-and-a-half years. About five year ago, I had some Branch Davidians come to me for nutritional health, and they became my patients as it were. And of course when the event happened you know...I said, My goodness!

24:26 I started putting things together and here all these people were being attacked. They are just, those people are just like any other human beings a lot of them had jobs outside of Mount Carmel A lot of people didn't know that they... Like David Jones Marybelle's son was the mailman And he had obviously an outside job and they tied their money They either tied 10 or 20 percent of their money to the church. Dr Dewey Millay believes the media is heavily influenced by government almost to the point of actual control. People look at this have got to look a television say now why are they telling me this? Is this a lie

25:07 And that will go a long way to educate the American people of knowing how to watch the news. People ask me, why watch Dan Rather? Because I like to see what he's telling the American people Why is he telling me this and nine times out of ten there is an agenda behind it They're going to do something to us or for us in some way we're not gonna be too happy about If the American people just get smart and watch the news, they can't trust them at all. We saw what they did here at Mount Carmel it was just incredible we had a...we watched the press conference every day and most generally we were found that they contradict themselves or are told no lie.

25:55 ATF agents attempted to arrest the head of the cult, a 33-year old man who claims to be Christ. He's been described as a beer drinking guitar player with 15 wives and claims to be Jesus Christ They have homemade explosives Semi-automatic and automatic weapons hand grenades grease guns from the latest reports we had with this that there was nitroglycerin in pond There would be absolutely no reason in the world to keep nitroglycerin down. It's ridiculous I'd be careful about just filling air when there's really nothing to say, so you start using rumors. I imagine if they hadn't taken what was given they'd have had nothing to say The FBI had taken control of this scene and media was told to pack up and move several miles away to the roadblock outside of the Davidian compound It didn't take long for the lights to start coming down and for the miles of cable to be pulled back authorities knew we didn't want to move

26:56 The FBI said news reporters were moved back out of concern for their safety. What about safety for this cameraman during the race riot at the Dallas Cowboys victory parade? Who's concerned for the safety of this news crew in Palestine's West Bank or this recent student uprising in Paris? How about the news crew shooting this little New World Order police action, aren't they in danger being shot at No apparent concern for their safety. The excuse given by the FBI at Mount Carmel as to concern for the reporter's safety was an insult to the intelligence of the American people. The communist Chinese government did the same thing shortly before the massacre at Tiananmen Square

27:39 In one of the interviews with the Chinese people over in Tenement Square after it happened, one lady was just sobbing and saying what could we do? They had all the guns. What could anybody do there were tens of thousands hundreds of thousands of people out there and when the government rolled in the tanks It was all over they didn't care whether to kill those people or not They ran all the reporters out so that wouldn't be any witnesses same thing that they did down at Waco In other parts of China, all they knew was what the government was telling them. They had heard that these people in Tiananmen Square were a bunch of bad people, a bunch of revolutionaries and as far as they knew the government did the right thing We were moved back two miles and I think the media should have protested that there should have been

28:26 some eyes up closer and I said this from the early beginning that okay, maybe they want us back there for our own safety. But you know when we hired out in this job most of us hired out knew that we're going to be facing dangerous situations from time-to-time and that's our call Although Phil Ricker denies any government media control, the report of the Waco Task Force published by the Society of Professional Journalists shows that FBI agent Jeff Jamar reminded radio station KRLD that he represents the government which licenses broadcast stations. A license is

29:05 is permission from the government to do something that would otherwise be illegal. Bob Boaz is a Christian educator and professional media observer. The federal government's in position to control the flow of information this country, in a way that has never existed on my face this earth and it's done through federal regulatory agencies. The Federal Communication Commission does control what goes out over the airways both on radio and television Now, there have been instances of radio stations burning up. Of licenses not being renewed. Of radio stations and television stations being audited by the IRS to the point they couldn't conduct their business And anyone in that business... I'm not in it but I'm not stupid either

29:50 And anyone in that business that knows, knows that if they go against government policy Washington DC policy They're going to be in trouble. As the stress hours are continually applied to him he does seem to retreat more and more We are concerned that he's perhaps going through a mental decompensation and that he is in fact becoming more delusional. One month after the deadly raid, agents move closer to the compound but not to a resolution. Agents say Koresh has pre-arranged suicide packs with followers The same thing happened at Jonestown in Guyana 1978 He has to be slain and there has to be a sufficient number of martyrs. Those of his followers also have to be slain." During the siege at Mount Carmel, FBI agents made repeated references to Jonestown instilling the idea of mass suicide in the minds of the American public. Anti-cult propaganda never changes The medium may change but the kinds of things that are said

30:52 Author and researcher Mac White notes that Jim Jones and David Koresh were both targets of the same accusations. They generally tend to be accused of bizarre sexual practices, that the early Christians were accused of that as well as incest and other things that the Roman public at that time found abhorrent In our day, one way to quickly demonize someone in the press in such a way that they'll never be able to recover their public image and their credibility is to accuse them of being a child monster. And that was done in Koresh's case. White has studied the Jim Jones case for many years He believes the Jonestown tragedy was not a mass suicide The FBI right after the fire at its press conference

31:42 said that what had happened in Waco was another Jonestown. Now, by saying that the FBI has invited us to take a closer look at Jonestown Jim Jones wanted absolute control over every person in that compound and he had it. The same thing is going on right now with Koresh in the compound in Waco, you know... Ross is a deep programmer for the Cult Awareness Network which provided ATF officials with all those catchy phrases like child abuse, child sacrifice illegal weapons slavery threats of mass destruction and the alleged suicide pact

32:24 The history of the Cult Awareness Network, however bears a closer examination. In 1959 Fidel Castro overthrew Batista and seized power in Cuba almost immediately the CIA began plotting his assassination One suggestion was the use of mind-altering drugs to make Castro go crazy during a speech, thereby losing his credibility with the Cuban people. Operation MK Ultra was initiated with the help of psychiatrists Dr's Margaret Singer and Louis West CIA operative Dr. Margaret Singer was the founder of The American Family Foundation

33:02 Jones had strong ties to the new left of the 70s, to persons like Huey Newton of The Black Panthers and to Dennis Banks of The American Indian Movement. And his church, the People's Temple was by his own description a Marxist organization. The leader of this Marxist organization, Jim Jones had a boyhood friend named Dan Mitrioni who eventually went to work for the CIA specializing in brainwashing techniques In 1973 another CIA operator George Blakey made the initial $650,000 deposit on the land in Guyana which became Jonestown

33:50 At the same time, Operation MK Ultra began directing its attention on religious cults. There have been many allegations over the years that in some way the CIA's MK Ultra program may have been involved in what happened at Jonestown and that perhaps in this way Jones was manipulated through drugs or hypnosis After the tragedy of Jonestown in 1978 Dr. Margaret Singer's American Family Foundation changed its name to the Cult Awareness Network So it is ironic that Jonestown, which the FBI used to explain away what happened in Waco was itself a likely conspiracy 900 people died in the steamy jungle of Guyana so 100 more on the plains of Central Texas wouldn't matter When you have no regard for human life numbers are not important

34:54 I happened to be over at the Britney Hotel. I was seeing Katherine Madison, Branch Davidian and after I was through visiting with her... ...I was downstairs talking to Rita Riddle and the phone rang and it was Derek Lovelock saying that he had been released

35:51 from the county jail and would somebody come get him. Derek made it pretty clear in his mind that the people that were back there, none of those survived they were on the east side away from the camera And there are some rumors and reports about people seeing things that went on there. We don't know how accurate that is. Well, we do know that the live footage from April 19th of all the major networks did in fact... they stated that they saw 25 to 30 survivors and this was in fact confirmed What we know is on the flip side that there are between 25 and 30 survivors. We have several witnesses that say they saw 25 or 30 people exiting out these double doors in this cafeteria, one of the people who survived the fire and is currently under indictment says he came out with Jimmy Riddle to escape the fire and these people were gunned down in cold blood as they tried to escape

36:50 I believe from what we hear, the rumors we hear that obviously they didn't go back in the fire of their own choice and they didn't come out of the fire so something had to happen to them. And yeah, I think they were murdered Nobody wants to admit that their government could possibly be guilty of such a thing but based on what i found out here over the past five months I have no choice but to say that they were You listened to his music for 20 years? I still listen to it He's been fighting for our right to keep and bear arms as long as he had a handgun since he was a kid. Ted Nugent! Thank you very much, you noticed. Well I'm gonna just make a simple statement here because it is so simple

37:50 It's stupid. Even though he disagrees with David Koresh's motives, rock and roller Ted Nugent has a definite idea about the government's actions There are many innocent civilians dead because the ATF abused their powers got the wrong address Searched with false Faulty warrants. I know this stuff it's been documented Where is this investigation? I'd be willing to let bill get by with whitewater for a while till we find out who the murderers are in our government And that's what's happening the ATF even the FBI the IRS these people work for us and

38:31 They are responsible to the American people. They are not being responsible for the American people and I am deeply saddened, I'm hurt The bottom line is that good people are an asset to America Leave us alone The only real security of liberty in our country is the jealousy and circumspection of the people themselves. Let them be watchful over their rulers, should they find a combination against them, they have thank God the ultimate remedy that power which created the government can destroy it. Should the government on trial be found to want amendments those amendments can be made in a regular method, in a mode prescribed by the Constitution itself

39:19 I was taught the same things that most of you were taught. I've learned differently, and we all have that responsibility and those who died will have died in vain if we leave here today and forget what has happened. Amen! Mr. Engelman? Amen! I'd like now to read the names of all of those that lost their lives here during that 51 days Cyrus Howell David Koresh Rachel Howell

39:57 Star Howell, Sherry Jewell David Jones Perry Jones Michelle Jones Serenity C. Jones Bobby Lane Koresh Steve Schneider Judy Schneider Mayonna Schneider Sonia Murray Douglas Wayne Martin Wayne Martin Jr Anita Martin Sheila Renee Martin, Lisa Martin, Peter Gent, John McBean, Peter Hipsman, Scott Sinobi, Beverly Elliott, Susan Benta, Sherry Doyle, Pablo Cohen, Raymond Freisen, Kathy Andrade, Jennifer Andrade, Chanel Andrade, Mike Schroeder, Sandra Hardile. The following names we don't have the last names of

40:54 Stone, Sonia, Rebecca, Dabo and a pair of unnamed twins. BATF agents also lost their lives here and we're here to memorialize all of those that lost their lives. The following BATF agents Stephen Willis Robert J Williams Conway Lebeau Todd McKenna Now I think we'd like to spend about a minute just in silent prayer if you don't mind This the way Christ wills, Christ will lead. His path so clear and straight, through pain shall not slip. And death, and death

42:59 God is the most loving God there is. But you've got to remember one thing all through the Bible, He's loving and kind His mercy endures forever but he also warns and he is coming back Do you think he's going to come back? Yeah, soon or later Hello folks, this is Mike Hanson here on the Mike Hanson archives on YouTube and here on my Facebook. And we're here at the 25th anniversary of the memorial service here in Waco Texas and we got Clive Doyle here can you tell us a little bit about what your thoughts are on the 25th anniversary? It's alright everybody knows

44:05 It's kind of hard. My daughter just died, my daughter just died there. That's what I heard and we didn't put it out on the internet because we were asked not to this is first time people out here on my a lot of them don't know yet That was your first daughter died at Mount Carmel and this was another daughter. This is my oldest daughter, she's the youngest that died in the fire. Karen was coming down had a plane booked she was coming down for the memorial. Ended up dying in a head-on collision with drunk driver

45:01 People up in Pennsylvania saying that it was deliberate, it wasn't an accident. Tried to run a cop off the road first and I guess the cop avoided it. Tried to run down another woman then she avoided it. Karen was third in line so they say she died instantly which is At least she didn't suffer too much. But seems like every year there's a few more to go. Yeah, it's just not many left Clive I'm so sorry for all the stuff that has happened to y'all and hopefully it will get better but you always say its gonna be better It'll get worse before it gets better Well once we're gone here maybe KRLD

46:03 Called me this morning. Well, what do you think the government's learned in 25 years? I said nothing except don't have the press that filming everything There's Desi okay well we're getting ready to start what who do you got speaking this year Phil Arnold James Tabor, I believe Catherine Wessinger Mary Lynn Bowen wants to say a little bit. Oh good, I can't wait to see her! There's a lot of people. Alright well we're getting started here folks hope y'all can make it here for the 25th anniversary and what is the address?

46:42 If they can still make it. 701 Jefferson Waco, TX hope to see you here folks. Hi Sheila 25th anniversary of what happened how are you? Right here tell them tell him to come on down we still got time. It's live yeah okay and what do you think about the 25th anniversary real quick before we go ahead. Sorry that it is so 25 years I'm sorry that it's taking so long We want to get home my God to come in change all this. Amen! You don't have to think about people being dead. Yes, and look at all this food you brought. You got everything? Well we still got time to get here April 19th 2018 What time is food? 1230 quarter one whatever 1 o'clock All right come on park your car and come on in. Thank you. Hello Austin Texas We're back

47:39 and I hope you enjoyed the video. And what we're gonna do is, since this is kind of the Waco show, we're gonna go ahead and play about 15-20 minutes of The Big Lie Continued. When we get back maybe we'll take some calls. I want to say that I appreciate my crew tonight. If you've been watching it's kinda been a

48:16 Other than my producer yelling at me, it's kind of been a saddening show for me. But if you are interested in going to see Mount Carmel the 4th annual anniversary memorial service You can do that The Jeff Davis Show is sponsored in part by bus charter service to Mount Carmel April 19th, Saturday Please come up and join us. We'll have a good time, we'll be back by about 3 or 4 p.m on that Saturday and we will go out to meet many of the people who lost their loved ones It should be an interesting experience I want to thank Brent Johnson he is with the Freedom Foundation, Freedom Bound He joined us earlier today

49:22 from Baker City, Oregon he called in. He's basically kind of into the sovereignty movement a common law type way to escape some of the things that are happening and if you're interested in that it's number is 1888-1888 385 Free, that's F-R-E-E 18883853733 and Brett Johnson he is the director of Freedom Bound. His address is 2101 Main Street Unit 18 1776181776 Baker City Oregon 97814

50:15 And there's his number if you're interested in getting any information concerning the Freedom Bound organization. Brett Johnson joined us earlier tonight, kind of an interesting fellow and just call the comment line at 370-9558 and his toll free number will be on the comment line Well go ahead take a quick call real quick You're on air caller Hello If you're interested in doing your land patents. 82644

51:24 And we'll go ahead, we got a full slate of calls. We'll take some calls to get people have the chance to talk. Hello Jeff. How you doing sir? I'm fine, you been doing alright? Doing alright and you? Good, hanging in there. Listen, I didn't know that these people were shot when they're running out the back door. It's first time I heard about that It is? Yeah. Well that's what the claims were in the video They were shot by the ATF agent, I mean FBI That was what they claimed in the video What did you think? Wow! I didn't know that. First time ever to hear of it. I mean...that's shameful. I mean.. Jesus! What can we say? Listen, I was wondering if guys might have a future best of comment line Maybe do little segment on that maybe like 10-15 minutes

52:06 What do you mean by the best of the comment line? You know, you got a comment line right. Oh! You mean play some on back or read them out that'd be fun I like to hear something like that Hey let me... Do you want to come on the program? Sure. Okay, we're going to get that done. Alright. When's it like next month or so? Yeah be fine. Listen I'm listening here hear your story about the lead-based paint. Oh okay cool. I got a lot of those subjects I can touch on too as well. Good! Listen but uh really enjoy your show and keep up the good work and maybe yeah guys might someday do that little segment on the best stuff comment line I bet you get a lot of interesting comments.

52:55 You were going to have them on, weren't you? Yeah, yeah I had gotten a call from somebody concerning that but then he never made it down for some reason so I don't know what happened to him. He didn't get locked up or anything did he? That I don't know haven't been keeping up with him Okay buddy we'll keep you up to good work. I appreciate it. Okay bye-bye. Appreciate it. Yeah we get a lot of good comments too yeah we get them. I appreciate the good comments as well. Caller your on the air hello Hello caller Well two of them are already greened So what does that mean

53:58 Whatever, why don't we just go to the video. Folks there's one more video I want to get out about 15-20 minutes of it It's The Big Lie 2 continued and it kind of ties in with our show. I wanna invite you all again to come on up to Waco with us April Saturday, April 19th its abou 3 weeks away now and call the comment line and we'll get ya a seat And if you want to go up and meet some of these people, these so-called cultists. Then come on up and join us! With that we're going to go about 15 or 20 minutes into The Big Lie 2.

54:48 It's already set. It is another take of what happened in Waco and we are three weeks away folks from the day that I believe those people were torched and murdered in Waco, Texas That's why we're dedicating a large bit on this issue Again I want to thank my crew, I want to thank the callers Do we have some calls? You're on air, caller. Hey how's it going? Good and you? Good. You need to get this guy running for mayor on your show Ted Kircher. Okay Patriot conservative smart minded non-whacko big government guy he's running across the mayor not getting much press Yeah that would... How do you get a hold of him

55:39 He's got a webpage. He is in the phone book, Ted Kirchherr K-I-R-C-H-E-R. He has got a webpage at http://readthis.com capital R and T read this dot com slash ted for mayor capital t the number four mayor M-A-Y-O-R Do you have a phone number? It's on the web page. He has an email address. Do you know him personally? I'm a campaign advisor for him. Could somebody call that comment line because we are scheduled to have Ray Blanchett

56:21 John Johnson and now, is his name Ted Kirschner? Ted Kirschner. Yeah have him give us a call in the comment line and we'll certainly if he wants to do it we'll put him on Cool man take care Thanks Next caller you're on air Let's get this other caller here that has been sitting here Okay go to the Waco The Big Lie Part 2 We will be back in about 15-20 minutes folks House would be able to run to safety of bunker to escape deadly gas and flames Autopsies showed that many children died of blunt trauma. On the Maury Povich show, Coroner Rodney Crowe told how those children died. Three children had blunt force trauma but it was from the falling concrete in the bunker that fell on them there's an opening in the top of the bunker eight feet approximately diameter and large chunks a concrete fell on these people

57:18 21 of them died of gunshot wounds and the rest died with smoke inhalation and, of course, suffocation due to being buried in debris when the bunker collapsed. So now we know why the Treasury Department, The White House, And ATF, And Department Of Justice were so desperately lying to us all along We were told every day that this raid, the gassing, the attack on the house and the destruction of evidence had all been because of concerns for the children. We had concerns for the children The big lie continues The ATF is under direct control of the Treasury Department

57:55 As head of the Treasury Department, Lloyd Benson would be ultimately responsible for any wrongdoing by ATF. Yet it was Benson who chose the so-called independent investigators. Each of the three so called independent investigators Benson chose had been involved directly in the planning execution or cover up of the police firebombing at headquarters a group called MOVE in Philadelphia that resulted in the fiery deaths of MOVE members in a situation similar to Waco According to the introductory letter from Treasury Secretary Lloyd Benson to President Clinton, the committee's report was supposed to be a vigorous and thorough investigation of the events leading to the loss of law enforcement and civilian lives near Waco Texas on February 28th 1993. But on the cover over the report it doesn't say it is a thorough investigation of the events in Waco It says it IS an investigation of Vernon Wayne Howell

58:51 Even in the Treasury's report, which was not released until September 1993. The ATF persists in calling the Branch Davidian house the heavily armed fortress-like compound even though by now we have all seen that the house was a simply constructed Masonite exterior frame home and on page three it begins In memory of... and then names each of the deceased ATF agents There doesn't seem to be any question of whether this was going to be an independent or vigorous and thorough investigation on the events on February 28th, 1993. The overall perspective for the raid was spelled out in an internal Treasury Department memorandum from Christopher Keiler, Assistant Treasury Secretary for Enforcement, to Mike Langan before the raid in which Keiler matter-of-factly says that the agents will be raiding a Branch Davidian Seventh Day Adventist church

59:43 It doesn't get any plenner than this. They've spelled it out for us, the government set out to conduct a military assault on a church This same memorandum specifically says that the ATF raid will be assisted by state local and military authorities Again spelling it out for us every level of government participated in this military terroristic attack on a church full of 140 men women and children The results of the supposedly independent investigation known as the Treasury Report were released September 29th, 1993. It berated ATF leadership for failing to cancel the raid when they knew that ATF had lost the element of surprise

1:00:26 ATF Director Stephen Higgins and others were forced to resign with full pensions. The ATF tried to make it seem that they were admitting error by blaming leaders for losing the element of surprise. And we had our plan down, we had a diversion down all put into effect and They were waiting. What we had was someone who eliminated the element of surprise, which is what we needed and in so doing our agents walked into an ambush. The main problem that we had I don't believe it's that we were outmaneuvered or outplanned the problem we have is that we were outgunned they had bigger firearms than we had they were able to shoot through doors

1:01:08 Due to that, you know a lot of our agents were hurt. The ATF had the Branch Davidians under surveillance for over a month from the house across the street They knew the land was completely flat there could be no possibility of surprising the Branch Davidians with a hundred men arriving in cattle cars visible from miles away. The Treasury Report admits that ATF's own public relations person, Sharon Wheeler contacted several Dallas television stations several days before the raid. The lie that the ATF lost the element of surprise was aided by the media While showing us this very edited piece of footage of the first day of the raid, over and over as an announcer would say, The ATF was met with a hail of gunfire. And just in case you somehow hadn't heard that the ATF claimed that the Branch Davidians were waiting for the ATF within a week after Mount Carmel was burned to the ground NBC television aired the government's official propaganda as a movie showing Branch Davidian at all windows with guns waiting for the ATF to arrive

1:02:11 If you have doubts that this was propaganda, consider that the Treasury report repeatedly states that US Army Special Forces planned the raid and trained the agents. The ATF Raid Leader is former special forces and even advisors to the independent investigators included Delta Force Special Forces Then, get a copy of this Army Psychological Operations Training Manual. A how-to on propaganda that says that making a movie is an important element of military occupation Another lie told by ATF in the official report says On Wednesday February 24th, ATF rescheduled its raid from Monday March 1st to Sunday February 28th because it expected The Tribune Herald to publish its Sinful Messiah series on Sunday

1:03:01 The warrants were signed on February 25th and expired on February 28, the day the raid took place. The raid was never moved up a day and these warrants weren't filed with the court until March 1st either. The ATF is lying when it claims they lost the element of surprise And the ATF is lying when it says it moved the raid up a day so as not to lose the element of surprise So where the Branch Davidians waiting for them or is that a lie too? John McLemore is a reporter for KWTX Channel 10 television in Waco, Texas. Both he and cameraman Dan Maloney were present at Mount Carmel on February 28th the day ATF raided Mount Carmel and they claimed to have filmed the scenes of the initial raid

1:03:49 In one of the first Associated Press newspaper reports that came across the wire services on February 28th, John McLemore is quoted as saying they came right in parked right by the front door and made a frontal assault on the building. Another article across the AP wires on February 28th said that, according to witnesses federal agents hid in livestock trailers as they drove up to the compound. As three National Guard helicopters approached, the 100 law officers stormed the main home throwing concussion grenades and screaming come out! There is no mention of any barrage of gunfire from the branch Davidians in these first reports

1:04:26 And in actuality, the Branch Davidians reacted the way any American would react when his home was broken into by armed terrorists. They first called the police. They dialed 911. What's 9-1-1? What is your emergency? There are men... 75 men around our building shooting at us! In the tape recordings of these conversations we can hear the fear and distress of Wayne Martin as he says Yeah tell them there are children and women in here to call it off Brad Branch, a Davidian who was also interviewed by phone described it this way. When they jumped out David opened the door and put his hand out and said hold on we have women and children in here before it started hitting the door and all through the foyer that's when we slammed the door The Treasury report also says Koresh appeared at the front door and yelled what is going on?

1:05:17 From that statement in the report, we have an admission by ATF that Koresh came to the door. The Treasury Report next claims that... I wonder why i couldn't see anything. We're a big guy, yeah. Had the cap on! Here we are Waco Texas baby! Waco Texas helicopter city getting ready to go out on an operation here training mission you waiting for the folks back home there boys? Hello from Waco!

1:06:01 Good birdie, Vietnam! Another one of the birds getting ready to go up. We're going up with an eight-man team. Four people on each bird. Three Irish tents at Medivac Point here. Yeah in a second I'm gonna get a long shot of Satellite City down there

1:06:47 There they are. Boys getting ready to go. Get ready to go up in the bird here and take a look over the area, and then in case we do something, uh... We're gonna supply air cover I guess. Whatever. Was the FBI posture one of concern for the children? We found this candid interview with an FBI agent the morning of the fire particularly insightful. Quite a specimen, I tell you... In all my years involved with SWAT, I've never seen a gentleman like this that I'd learned so much from in just the short time I've been around him It's just awesome is about the only word to describe him Honed! Honed to a fine edge, honed to kill The techniques used on the Branch Davidians are well-known brainwashing techniques

1:07:43 cut off all communication with the outside world, all utilities, all food supplies and subject the person to extreme stress. Lights noise tanks charging the windows and constant propaganda on loudspeakers as this tape segment from BBC reveals various psychological weapons were available to the Justice Department and were examined for use on David Koresh. Hello it's Mike Hanson your good Facebook Buddy and YouTube buddy. Here's Jeff Davis, my great friend We're not social distancing see we're in 2020 now tell me about 1995 1995 That's what we're watching right now Jeff caught me off guard I don't know anything Oh About how the technology yeah Bring world peace in the shade here. That's true back Yeah

1:06:47 There they are. Boys getting ready to go. Get ready to go up in the bird here and take a look over the area, and then in case we do something, uh... We're gonna supply air cover I guess. Whatever. Was the FBI posture one of concern for the children? We found this candid interview with an FBI agent the morning of the fire particularly insightful. Quite a specimen, I tell you... In all my years involved with SWAT, I've never seen a gentleman like this that I'd learned so much from in just the short time I've been around him It's just awesome is about the only word to describe him Honed! Honed to a fine edge, honed to kill The techniques used on the Branch Davidians are well-known brainwashing techniques

1:07:43 cut off all communication with the outside world, all utilities, all food supplies and subject the person to extreme stress. Lights noise tanks charging the windows and constant propaganda on loudspeakers as this tape segment from BBC reveals various psychological weapons were available to the Justice Department and were examined for use on David Koresh. Hello it's Mike Hanson your good Facebook Buddy and YouTube buddy. Here's Jeff Davis, my great friend We're not social distancing see we're in 2020 now tell me about 1995 1995 That's what we're watching right now Jeff caught me off guard I don't know anything Oh About how the technology yeah Bring world peace in the shade here. That's true back Yeah

1:08:38 This fella and myself were in Channel Austin TV studios in Austin, Texas. Public access about 1995-96. And I said to Mike Hanson we're in the control room and I said to him I said Mike you know I don't know that I don't know anything about this internet too much of what people are talking about but If it turns out to be anything like people are talking about, it could bring world peace and liberty. And guess what folks? On this date 6 June 2020 we're heading into world peace and liberty! We hope so... No that's 100% guaranteed Jeff Davis show official prediction and as you know Mike

1:09:26 Jeff Davis show has been deadly accurate on predictions. Great callings, Orwellian police states, Fed bank fleecing but this prediction Jeff Davis show prediction is going to bring the greatest world peace and prosperity in the history of the world that's it. Well don't tell those protesters because I actually told them Live and let live yesterday, it almost got beat up. Those protesters those people out there at them rallies just keep on going baby because we're marching our way right into a better place in this world We hope so Jeff Davis show knows so So just keep marching away Just keep going and going with love and peace Before you know it, were gonna have heaven on earth

1:10:19 We're gonna get right back to... That's it baby. Peace! We're going to take you back to 1996 folks, we'll see ya later. Come on! God bless you. Hello Austin Texas, we are back and just wrapping up tonights show here and I do appreciate yall hanging with us again i want to thank my crew Thank Joyce Isaacs from KVET Radio. Fine lady and all the other people that are involved in the production of this show Of course, Joyce isn't involved in the production of this show but she is a friend of mine and friend to producers We just want say hi to her People over there at KVET radio With that folks we're going ahead play final little piece again I wanna encourage you

1:11:13 to come on, to come up to Waco with us. We do have seats available and April the 15th we're scheduled to be myself and Sheila Martin are scheduled to be on Joyce's show. Cave at Radio 1300 AM from 10AM till 12 noon and she is there every day for you And with that, we're going to go ahead and instead of our normal roll in we're gonna play the 17 Little Children. God bless you see ya next week awesome brothers and sisters. ...preserve protect and defend the Constitution of the United States so help me god...congratulations

1:12:21 This was not a military assault where body count was going to be added up at the end. Get that camera out of here! Get it out of here! I need help, I can't move! Move! Go! This is not an assault We have got to remember who these people were what violence they had committed and understand in that context Just in case you don't remember

1:13:33 Let me jog your memory In a church they called the Waco Compound Back in April 93 17 little children All so helpless and so small Died a senseless death of gas and flame How many names can you recall?

1:14:15 17 little children Don't it make you wonder why? 17 little chi- How could they deserve to die? Maybe we should stop and ask ourselves We become so blind. Well, 17 little children Finally open up your minds

1:15:00 How did you sleep last night, Bill Clinton? Tell me did you feel their pain? The seventeen little children Cried out and perished in the flame Attorney General Janet Reno I accept your offer to resign How can you stand for law and order now When you won't answer to your cries? Seventeen little children All so helpless and so small Seventeen little children How many names can you recall

1:16:14 Maybe we should stop and ask ourselves We become so blind Little 17, little children Find the open I've heard it said The Branch Davidian Only got what they deserve Yet no one seems to know what laws work

1:16:55 What was in the ward they never served. Yesterday I sold my TV set, Stopped my subscription to the Times. To me it's plain decedent. Me was an accomplice to these crimes. Seventeen little children Don't it make you wonder why? Seventeen little children How could they deserve to die Maybe we should stop and ask ourselves Have we become so blind Will seventeen little children Finally open up your mind