Sunday, 14 March 2021

This Shizzle Got Serious - The Wrap Up #31

A deep dive into the royal media fallout and the cultural legacy of Euro 96 provides a backdrop for navigating the complexities of modern fatherhood.

Royal InterviewPiers MorganEuro 96Sarah EverardMurray WalkerHero AcademyDavina McCall
By The Jonnie Jensen Show | 1h 11m listen | 19 chapters
This Shizzle Got Serious - The Wrap Up #31 cover

About this episode

Prince Harry and Meghan Markle face intense media scrutiny following their landmark interview with Oprah Winfrey, sparking a debate on the Duke’s rebranding as a global media figure. The Team Super Dad collective analyzes the generational divide between British institutional duty and millennial individuality, while addressing the fallout of Piers Morgan’s exit from Good Morning Britain. These events serve as a backdrop for a broader look at modern fatherhood and the cultural shifts defining the current era.

Secondary stories include a first-hand account of receiving the COVID-19 vaccination in Maidstone, Kent, and a nostalgic look back at the Euro 96 summer dominated by Chris Evans and Britpop. The hosts recount a guest appearance on Glenn Lundy’s Rise and Grind show, contrasting the high-energy morning lark lifestyle with the night owl habits discussed in the book Peak Performance. Additional reports cover the one-year anniversary of the Channel 4 pilot Five Guys a Week, the tragic murder of Sarah Everard, and Davina McCall’s recent public commentary on gender safety. Business growth challenges and the kitschy culinary influence of Mike Leigh’s Abigail’s Party also surface during a recap of a successful Friday night date.

Personal anecdotes include a linguistic mishap in Chicago involving a car crash and a student’s unfortunate encounter with a security dog at Stafford University. The hosts pay tribute to the late Formula 1 commentator Murray Walker, celebrating his legendary enthusiasm and signature Murray-isms. Team Super Dad founder Jonnie Jensen concludes with a call for male allyship and a reflection on the protective instincts of fathers in an increasingly sexualized culture.


CHAPTER 01 / 19 Discussion

Team Super Dad Introduction and Podcast Simulcast Plans

The hosts introduce the 31st episode of the Team Super Dad wrap-up, describing the show's evolution from a solo 20-minute segment to a collaborative weekly discussion for fathers. They announce an upcoming simulcast collaboration with two other podcasters from London who run a similar program. The segment establishes the show's mission of helping dads create better lives through community and shared experiences.

team super dad· podcast· simulcast· london· community

00:00 Hey, welcome. It's that time of the week again. It's not Friday though, so don't get confused. You haven't lost a day going today? I've no idea. But it is the wrap-up. It's that time of the week where we get together, talk stuff, talk shit. We're dads living the best lives ever. Let's roll. Welcome to Team Super Dad. Real dads creating their best lives ever. More time, more money, more fun. You are not alone. You're on Team Super Dad. Hey, welcome, welcome. Journey, bonjour. How the devil are you? I'm good. I'm really good.

00:43 I'm, you know, got a bit of swagger on me, which we'll talk about in a bit. But yeah, it's been a crazy week. I'm trying to write the show notes for tonight, just kind of giving us a rundown. I was trying to find some fun things to talk about. It's been a really amazing. Yeah, it's been, I mean, as well as physically draining. I've been out all day, walks, and I've genuinely done more steps in the last seven days than I've done in the last seven months. And that says more about me than it does about the work I've done this week. But emotionally, and work-wise, it's been absolutely mental. Again, I like being busy, but there are degrees. But emotionally, this week has been tough.

01:24 This has been a rough, rough week in so, so many ways. And as an F1 fan, I just dropped a bombshell on you as well with the show notes. Didn't know about. Yeah, I've been out all day. And yeah, we've lost one of the, what I would sort of call the kind of cornerstones, one of the foundations of the motor sport that I love. Yeah, R.I.P. Murray Walker, which we'll come back on a little bit in that. We talk about some of our favorite F1 memories. If you're not an F1 fan, well, tough. You should be. You should be, basically. It's one of the greatest sports on the planet. It is. Yes, it is a sport. I broke no argument in this. It is an incredible team sport. No, it's up there in terms of world viewers.

02:09 That's how it kind of ranks. And you can justify it. I wonder where it's... Maybe you can do a little Wikipedia whilst I'm waffling on. Most watch sports. Let me have a go at that while you waffle. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So here we are. We're on the wrap-up 31. If you've not joined us before, then you've missed 30. Well, actually, I was about to say 30 epic episodes. You've missed 30 evolving episodes. We have got into this. Started off just me kind of a 20-minute wrap-up of my week. And as I worked to pull other dads together, I got introduced to Glenn. And here we are. We do this each week. It is, it's sometimes for more people.

02:53 We had Colin on the other week with Rich. And oh, I've met two guys who do another podcast. Very similar. Very similar. Yeah. And, you know, it's like they're flipping Monty Python, the People's Front of Eugenia. And no, no, people's front. We're the People's Front of Eugea. Splitters. So, so, yeah, so they're two dudes from London. Always a good part of the world. And they've got a very similar thing going on. So I've been chatting to them both. And we're going to do a simul cast in a

03:32 easy for me to say, right? Simulcast. I guess that could be quite sexual, couldn't it? But it won't be because it'll be four blokes and we're not going to be. Hey, men can be sexy. We can be. We can be all Barry White on it as opposed to naked. And I've lost track now. One mention of naked men and I've lost track of what I'm flipping. So it has been a great week. Let me give you the rundown, right? We've got some working notes here. Dad of the week. I'm going to drop Harry. I don't even know his surname. Harry Winchester. Harry Windsor. I'm dropping Harry Windsor in as Dad of the Week.

CHAPTER 02 / 19 Discussion

Harry Windsor and Tattoo Fixers Television Commentary

Harry Windsor is nominated as "Dad of the Week" following his high-profile interview, with the hosts noting his rebranding and the American media's "Duke and Duchess of Netflix" moniker. The conversation shifts to the reality show Tattoo Fixers, critiquing the program's formulaic approach to covering small tattoos with massive, repetitive designs like skulls and mandalas. They compare the tattoo artists' predictable styles to a DJ playing a signature mix.

harry windsor· netflix· tattoo fixers· reality tv· branding

04:17 Now that I've got all these branding things, he might have rebranded to Harry Sussex or Sussex Royal. Harry the Royal. I've been checking in and catching bits of the interview. And all the Yanks are calling him the Duke and Duchess of Netflix. Nice. Which is quite funny. And then hot in the 90s for our regular listeners, watchers, viewers, subscribers. Yes, subscribers. Subscribers, I'm talking to you. We love you, subscribers. If you're not subscribed yet, hit the bell on YouTube. Hit the follow and like. Get the notification bell on Facebook if you're listening to the podcast. And of course, subscribe.

04:58 If you know, if you're my neighbour. you're just listening through the walls. Yeah, I'll put a number when we're going live. Yeah, yeah, so hot in the 90s. Our little tribute to the hottest women from the 90s. We're going to do a big brother tribute in particular to one special lady this week. Dating. We love a Johnny Dating update. And there was an interesting development in my dating activities this week, which had me feel a little bit like Delboy as I prepped dinner on Friday night. And yeah, and also this we're going to try and keep funny and light, but some heavy stuff has gone down this week.

05:39 Sadly, a lady got murdered in the UK, Sarah Everest, Everett, Everett, Everdeen. Everdeen, yes, Sarah Everdeen. So respect to her and her family, but it has thrown up a whole shitstorm here in the UK, which we're going to loosely touch on without getting ourselves into too much complications. Some Murray Walker memories and a tattoo fixer showdown. I happened to catch a bit of tattoo fixers last night, which just had me cracking up, which we'll get into. But if you haven't seen Tattoo Fixers, it's the most ridiculous program where someone who's got a fairly innocent and not necessarily that bad tattoo and they go to a professional tattoo parlor, very professional tattoo parlour, and they turn a small tattoo generally into a massive tattoo under the guise of

06:30 we fixed it. And it's always the same thing as well. It's always skulls with flowers and the women always come in and have a mandela, an elephant mandela or something like that. It's like it's the same bloody thing. You know one thing and you don't even pretend you're trying to talk them into it. That's what they've come for. It's like a DJ doing his favorite mix. Yeah. Yeah. Signature mix, signature mix. So we'll keep on to that one because that is one of our light topics. So normally, guys, normally listeners, the wrap-up is a benile bit of banter as we unearth. Seemingly, we do unearth a lot of embarrassing stories from my past.

CHAPTER 03 / 19 Discussion

Team Super Dad Hero Academy and Networking Events

The hosts highlight the resources available at Team Super Dad, including the Hero Academy signature program and the Power Code coaching services. They invite listeners to join their free network for Monday night sessions and Facebook group interactions. Mention is made of upcoming in-person firewalking events and a recent St. Patrick's Day celebration in Chicago where participants gathered without masks.

hero academy· team super dad· coaching· firewalking· networking

07:12 So it's just like the Johnny River. It's like a counseling session for me. Well, also, what are we all about? We're with Team Superdad. If you go over to teamsuperdad.com, you will find everything that we're up to: the different dad coaching services from myself, Johnny Jensen, and the Hero Academy. So the Hero Academy is our signature program with the power code, and we are dads creating our best lives ever. And if you don't want to pay, then just come and join the network. It's teamsuperdad.com forward slash network. We would love to have you on board. The Monday night sessions, the Facebook group, the firewalking events, and we're allowed to get together again. A friend of mine just sent me, well, he didn't send it to me, you put it on Facebook in Chicago, like bigging up

07:57 the St. Patrick's Day stuff, all wearing green. No masks. It's like it's St. Patrick's Day. We don't have to wear masks. It's fine. Oh, yeah. COVID doesn't, it's allergic to Guinness. Oh, I didn't know that. That's good to know. Yeah. We've got a little medical caveat there. Glenn and I are not doctors. So Glenn asked me how my week was. How was your week, Johnny? What'd you get up to? I got my COVID jab today. Did you? Yeah. How was it? How bad was it? And when does the microchip kick in? I've got this bleeping noise in my head. I don't. It's like a cross between a submarine and

CHAPTER 04 / 19 Discussion

COVID-19 Vaccination Experience and Summer 1996 Nostalgia

One host recounts receiving his first COVID-19 vaccination at a doctor's surgery in Maidstone, Kent, describing the surreal nature of the historical moment despite the lack of "lollipops or stickers." This leads to a discussion about the "decadent" era following the Spanish Influenza and hopes for a similar hedonistic summer. They reminisce about the summer of 1996 in the UK, characterized by the Euros and the cultural dominance of Chris Evans.

covid-19 vaccine· maidstone· kent· spanish influenza· ibiza

08:41 like a cat's bell. No, no, so I got the text through this week. So I jumped on it, booked it. And it was this. So I could have booked it for Tuesday, but I thought, no, I'll wait till the weekend. So I didn't know whether there's a bit makes you feel sick, makes you my arm. I feel like I've had a good, quite a good dead arm from my daughter. A bit like that. But yeah, it was quite surreal. Made a little video today as I went in. It's a bit, I don't know, you kind of just you're aware that this moment in history is going on. All like millions of people have had this jab and now I'm standing outside of just an everyday doctor's surgery in Maystone, Kent.

09:25 And I'm about to go and get this jab that, I don't know, if you hunt around for it, people will tell you it's not any good. Clearly, the general consensus is it is a good idea because we're better than having a pandemic. Yeah. And I'm standing there kind of just waiting. Mr. Jensen, yeah, do the thing. Yeah, yeah, you get your address. Yeah, yeah. And then stab it in your arm. Off you go. No sticker, no sweets. That's the only reason I was going to do it. Well, I did get a little card saying you've had your first, which is basically a COVID passport. Yeah. Where's the lollipop? Come on. Bring some lightness to this thing or a sticker, surely.

10:10 I love that you probably went in there and before they said, right, let's get ready to inject. And by that stage, your trousers are already down your ankles. Arses in there. I'm backing in with my heart. Ah, Mr. Jensen. Sorry, I'm sorry. Just an excuse to get my jobs. But you're feeling all right, yes? It's not kind of wiping you out or anything. No, it's feeling good. It's in. It's in there. It's in there. Jab one. I'm all off and running. And what, your second one's coming up in a couple of weeks, months? That's like 12 weeks. 12 weeks, okay. Yeah. Yeah, I think mine, I've just snuck into the 40 to 49 bracket.

10:52 So I'm in the next tranche. So apparently I'll be done by the end of next month. My first one, anyway. So yeah, hopefully that will go quickly. Party in the summer. Oh, it's going to be going to be great. As soon as it's done, I'll be like booking holidays and going to some sort of over 40s mini Ibiza orgy just because they're the only ones with passports. Well, the Euros are going to be on. Let's hope it's like a blazing hot summer. It'd be like the summer of 1996 when the Euros were here in the UK. Oh, but see the thing, I'm hoping. I'm hoping that all the kind of because after Spanish influenza and obviously World War I and so when Spanish influenza came along,

11:31 that was the reason that the 20s, the 1920s was so decadent and hedonistic was because everyone just wanted to live and just enjoy and make the most of life now that they were able to actually live it again. And I'm hoping it's going to play out and it's going to be a good long summer. Oh man. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know if life can be like that a bit. Referencing summer of 96 and just what a blast that was. Pre-social media, Chris Evans was just owning the radio. It was flipping interesting you say 96 though, because recently I was having a chat with a mate of mine and we were trying to think back to what was, as a country, the best year in living memory.

CHAPTER 05 / 19 Discussion

Best Years in British History and Euro 96 Memories

The hosts debate the best year in living memory for the UK, contrasting the 2012 Olympics era under Barack Obama with the Britpop peak of 1996. A detailed anecdote follows regarding a graduation party at Stafford University during Euro 96, specifically the celebration after England defeated Holland 4-1. The story concludes with a student being bitten by a security dog while hiding in what they mistakenly thought was long grass.

euro 96· 2012 olympics· barack obama· britpop· stafford university

12:18 And the one we thought about was 2012 because internationally we were stable. We had like Obama in the White House and everything was calming down and they sorted out Iran and all that sort of stuff. We had, yes, we had austerity, but actually because of the Olympics, we were seeing this as this great coming together as a nation and doing some great things. It was a coalition government. There was all these things that were interesting and new and exciting again. And so people pretty much, if you were younger than 40, then 2012 was basically it. Maybe 2018 was close, but 2012 was the year. However, if you were a day over my age, then everyone was going for Euro 96 or for 96 in general.

13:03 And yeah, Britpop being the thing and the Euros in the country and all this sort of stuff. And firstly, it was amazing how the only best years were all around sporting events. But secondly, obviously it's just age divide. And I think it was just because in 96, anyone my age or so, we were too young to drink. So there was only so much going out and enjoyment we could have. Whereas by the time anytime after that, the millennium or whatever, we're going out out. Yeah. Yeah, anyone who was 42 or over, they were giving it large during Euro 96. And so that would have been their kind of peak life moment. It was. I've got to say, 1996. So it's always, always happens. You and me are like flipping the lock and the key, Glenn. We get together,

13:48 you know. But no, summer 96, definitely. It was the graduation year of uni. So it was the sort of the zenith, the pinnacle of our three years of utter debauched mayhem. And sun shone. Chris Evans owned the flipping everything in the UK. Yeah, was that kind of TFI was on? Radio one in the mornings. It's just Maverick Nutter. Pretty much in the newspaper every day, it was just what him and his mates have been up to getting on the on the piss in the during the day. And it would build up to Friday and TFI, TGI Friday, TFI Friday, and TV show where he would just talk about all the fun he'd been having all week with and the guests that were coming on.

14:35 That's heaven, innit? That's the life. That really is the life. I could live that. I could do that. Just imagine. And then you're at the Euros, the Sunshine, Gaza, Terry Venables, and end of uni. So we were just. probably the best moment was when we beat Holland. Ah, the 4-1. Yeah, so we had a barbecue and we're having a party, and it was a proper Stafford uni event, basically, which you can imagine. You don't have to know what that means. Just imagine the 90s and a bunch of students giving it large all day. So we all watched the match and it was just wild 4-1, I think the score was. It was, it was.

15:17 We lived on Oxford Gardens, and outside opposite was this old people's kind of row of houses. And they had this massive, beautiful lawn with signs on it that says, no, no, anything. Don't even look at the grass. Don't even, as far as this grass exists for no one but us, right? And fair dues, we had respected that for three years. And in the moment, when we beat Holland and the, you know, we piled out onto this lawn, about 30 of us, and had just the most insane, impromptu game of 28 aside, basically. Ah, good times. Good times.

16:01 I could say more. All I will say is full respect to Mike Tweed, who got bit in the bum by a security dog later that night as we hid in long grass, which turned out to not be that long. Dogs are famously unable to use any sense other than sight to find people as well. So you had a chance. We thought the grass was long. We hit the deck in some kind of combat fashion, but it clearly wasn't long grass. And Mike being the slowest got bit in the bum by the dog. That's the thing. You never have to be able to outrun a bear. You just have to be able to outrun the slowest person. And it sounds like the same sort of thing there.

CHAPTER 06 / 19 Discussion

Glenn Lundy Rise and Grind Show and Morning Routines

A host describes his guest appearance on Glenn Lundy's Rise and Grind show, noting Lundy's high-energy 5:30 a.m. broadcasts and his life as a father of eight. The discussion explores the "morning lark" versus "night owl" personality types referenced in the book Peak Performance. They joke about the pressure to be a "virtuous" morning person and the different energy levels required for early starts versus late nights.

glenn lundy· rise and grind· intentional parenting· grant cardone· peak performance

16:46 Where's Mike? Where's Mike? Man down, man down. Mike, we're sorry. How's the bum? So, yeah, so that's COVID. So then on Friday, I was on the Glenn Lundy Rise and Grind show, right? If you're on Facebook, which obviously a good percentage of you are, hashtag rise and grind, Glenn Lundy with a double N in Glenn. And this guy is a dude. He's on episode 826 of his 5:30 a.m. live show. Ouch. I didn't even realize there was a 5:30 in the morning. Yeah, 5:30. So that's how he gets up at 3:30 to prep for it.

17:28 He was on my podcast a couple of days. Well, he was on this podcast. He was on Team Superdad podcast. So you can go back and listen to the Glenn Lundy episode. And so he said, Oh, come on. I'm doing this thing on intentional parenting. Come and be the Friday guest. So he's had something like 2 million views of the Rise and Grind show. And he's a dude, right? The guy's got eight kids. Eight kids. Oh, that's that's that's greedy. And for anyone who's just relieved that the homeschooling adventure is now over, his wife chooses to homeschool. So there's a bit of a religious kind of Christian thing going on in the true American style.

18:12 But the guy is smashing it. He's, you know, become buddies with Grant Cardone and all these kind of internet dudes. And so I'm in the show, and all the, like, I hope everyone loves our little Team Super Dad intro, okay? But it's nothing compared to Glenn's beautiful. And then he goes, he goes, so when I'm playing the music, I'll cut to you and you've got to be dancing. So, of course, I'm British, bringing, I think you and I bring in a bit of energy to our adventures and to our lives, but Glenn's fully pumped. He's like, it's Friday. It's her. And today we've got to go. And it's the rise and grind. And so he's like, you've got to be dancing. So I'm like, I'm like this.

18:56 Made me realize how little energy I bring to the start of each day. So now I'm like, okay, right. Yeah, but that's because you've got to level your energy out over the day. I mean, look at that guy. When it hits about half past seven, eight at night, he must be dead on his ass. No, no, I would rather be absolutely wiped out in the morning and then ramp up for a big night. That's see, all the fun things in life happen in the evening and night time. No one wakes up and that's the best moment of their day. I know. And I think that's where the world is going a bit weird and wrong. Yeah, there's this idea that if you get up early and you're a morning person, not a nighttime person, you're more virtuous. You're better at life. You're winning because you're able to function first thing in the morning.

19:40 Where did that come from? Where are they going to be at half past seven, eight, nine o'clock at night when you put in the. the hours in and making things happen? They're going to bed, ready for their early morning stuff. No, you've got to, you've got to tune into whether you are a morning person or a or a night person. What does in the book, Peak Performance, great book, just finished it a couple of weeks ago, they talk about night owls and is it morning larks? Yeah, yeah. That sounds a bit shit, doesn't it? I'm a morning. It must be a fucking lark. I'm a morning lark. What is a lark? It's a bird, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just a bird that, you know, one of these ones up with the larks. You're up first thing in the morning. They're up chirping and tweeting away in the bastard morning. It's got to be something better that gets up early than a lark.

CHAPTER 07 / 19 Discussion

Chicago Summer Anecdote and Linguistic Misunderstandings

A host shares a story from a summer spent with family in Chicago during his university years involving a significant linguistic misunderstanding. While attempting to tell a story about a "car crash" at a party, the American audience misinterpreted the British pronunciation as something far more vulgar. The segment highlights the cultural and slang differences between the UK and the US despite a shared language.

chicago· university· car crash· linguistics· slang

20:24 A cock. Yeah, I'm a massive morning cock. Godulu, that works. Yeah, animal up in the morning is the cockkerel. Yeah. I'm a morning cock. Okay. Good. Hey, baby. And we met. Did I tell you? I'm a massive morning cock. Here's a funny story. So I'm about 16. No, I must have been a bit older than that. Because I've got family in Chicago, right? Spent many, many, most of my teenage summers in Chicago.

21:06 So I went back to the second year of uni, I spent the summer in Chicago. So, of course, I'm driving in the UK now. And naturally, like any red-budded, red-blooded, stupid British gentleman, I had had two car crashes by that time. So I'm at this party with a bunch of my friends from Chicago who at that point are a little bit younger than me, but particularly back in the day, if you're 17 in America, that's a whole world of difference to a 17/slash 18-year-old English bloke.

21:45 Yeah, I mean, in America, you can buy a gun and you can be driving, you'll have driven a car for years, but you can't buy yourself a lager top. Yeah, you could have done a drive-by shooting legally, but you can't have a drink for another four years. So we're at a party, which is actually quite a like barbecue and laser tag kind of thing. And we're sitting around and I start telling a story about this terrible car crash I had, right? So I said, Oh my gosh, I had this terrible car crash about a month ago. So the whole room just goes silent and just looks at me like, What did you just say? So what you got to do, Glenn, is you've got to put your ears into American mode, right?

22:27 And listen again as I say, I had a terrible car crash. Ah, Jesus. Yeah, that has some translation there. That is telling a story about my terrible car crash. Oh, oh man. Yeah, when you're saying, why is the room falling silence? They have a lot of car crashes over in the US. And to be fair, they have a fair amount of cock crashes as well. They thought I was about to suddenly start talking about a nasty bit of knob rock.

23:07 But I didn't know. So I just carried on going into, yeah, yeah, it was like a head-on and the whole family and they were upset and we went to hospital and the ambulance turned up. The police were there. It was a shocking car crash. So no, yeah, that's my car crash story. Car crash story. Why am I telling that? America. Oh, yeah, Glenn Lundy. So I'm on the show with all these people and I'm getting bigged up. So then we finish up. Oh, he drops a massive question on me at the end. I forget what it was, but it was like, so, Johnny, before we go, what is the meaning of life?

CHAPTER 08 / 19 Discussion

Clubhouse Q&A and Successful Friday Night Date

Following a successful Q&A session on the Clubhouse app where he provided "dad coaching bombs," a host details a successful Friday night date with a woman he met through mutual friends. He describes the positive chemistry and the relief of having a genuine connection. The conversation touches on the awkwardness of modern dating and the transition from online chatting to in-person meetings.

clubhouse· dating· coaching· social media· relationships

23:50 I go, oh, Glenn, and your 10,000 live viewers. 42, clearly 42. Yes, I could have done that. But no, because I'm there as Team Superdad representing. I've got to say something mind-blowing so that all these people watching come and check in on Team Super Dad. He'd actually do a bloody good job. If you go to the Team Super Dad page on Facebook, we've shared the Rise and Grind from Friday. And then we go over to Clubhouse and I'm live on Clubhouse with him. And all the people that are coming, they've been watching are now coming over and they're asking me questions. So I did like a QA for an hour.

24:30 Nice. Dropping dad coaching bombs on people, getting loads of acknowledgement. It was a good, it was a really good. good start to the day, which led into the Friday night. I had a date. A date? Like an actual date with a lady that didn't require inflating? No. I have seen a blah doll before, like any self-respecting person who's been on the stag do, or a long drive as a student. Yes, I have seen it, but I've never had sex with a blah, doll, that I can actually testify. But you have had a date with a real live flesh and blood person.

25:13 How did it go? What happened? No, it was, it was, it was, it was brilliant, actually. We, we laughed, we chatted for hours. Um, she's, she's pretty, she's tall, she's fit, she's funny. Um, so it was, it was brilliant. But the, I mean, I'm not going to tell you, but she did, she stayed over, and and and uh, but it's just great to have because she was drinking, right? So we, we, you know, we it was responsible to be able to to relax and enjoy the evening. Um, but the funny story, the funny part of this, right, was before. So we're cooking dinner, so I'm I'm what'd you do?

CHAPTER 09 / 19 Discussion

Culinary Preparation and Abigail's Party Reference

The host details the elaborate meal he prepared for his date, including cod loin, avocado with prawn cocktail, and carrot batons. He references the Mike Leigh play Abigail's Party to describe the "kitschy" 70s feel of the starter. The segment also covers the effort to clean his house to "show home" standards and the selection of house music from Centerforce Radio to set the evening's mood.

abigail's party· mike leigh· cooking· cod loin· centerforce radio

25:53 What'd you do? She goes, I don't eat red meats. I was like, okay, right, fine. So then I was like, all right, we're going to go fish. I'm going to, I'm going to go fish, right? Because you can't just do chicken because that's too obvious, right? So, so I decided I'm going to do a baked or roast cod loin with some chunky mash, like new potato with the skins on, mashed that up with some garlic butter, some nice, lightly cooked broccoli, so it's quite a bit out dente, and some carrots. But clearly, on a night like that, not diced, you've got to go batons. If you're going to go batons, yeah, yeah, so carrot batons. Then I'm thinking, starter.

26:33 So I go, I'm going to go avocado, good protein. She's a PT, very fit. So I'm thinking, yeah, getting impressed about that. And then with a prawn cocktail. So, but there's something about prawn cocktail, which is sort of very 70s, kitschy kind of. Have you ever seen Abigail's party? No, I haven't. No. Oh, Glenn. You're going to love this. People watching, listening, Abigail's party. It's a Mike Lee play. Another drink, Dave. Another drink, Dave. A very, very dry humor, very British. It's like an hour-long play, but they believe I did a movie of it. If you like Gavin and Stacey, the mum is

27:18 Abigail. Oh, okay. Yeah, bloody, bloody funny. So I'm thinking, so I'm starting to get all of a sudden getting a bit nervous because I got this woman coming around to my house. I'm assuming the house was pristine, spotless. Everything was clean and turdy. I could take this video camera and I could wander you round the show house right now, an absolute show house. Clearly, if that's the way to get a clean house, I should have her over more often. Because I can't say I'm going to have loads of women over more often because A, that might upset her, and B, it might get me a knock on the door from the constabulary about

28:01 breaking COVID rules. All about support bubbles. And so she's your support bubble. She's a support bubble, definitely in my support bubble. So I'm thinking, like, this is all suddenly a bit weird. I'm cooking like a date meal, like a, like a date meal. And then at some point, I'm going to have to open the door and go, good evening. Good evening. And then she's going to walk in and there's going to be some kind of hi. So I'm, and I'm just thinking back to being to being in our 20s. And this is just far too serious, far too grown up, far too sensible. But I bought loads of food. Did you have good, have you got good china?

28:45 No, didn't even, no, it does match, so it does match. But I didn't have any, I've got wine glasses, pint glasses, and kids' tumblers. And I knew we were going to have gin and tonic, didn't have any gin and tonic, appropriate gin and tonic glasses, tumblers. Balloons or tumblers or something, yeah. Yeah. But that moment of awkwardness kind of passed quite quick. It was all right. Once she got there and the meal was kind of happening and the presentation, I cut the avocados in half, mixed it with some onion and some tomato, mashed it up, put it back into the avocado shells, porn cocktail on the side, a couple of little chunks of lemon for sort of looking at garnish, a bit of deal

29:25 sprinkled over the top. That was me. Did you have a playlist as well? Did you have a sexy berry white playlist? No. no i put center force on okay well it's saturday night you know you need some house music anyone globally right if you like your old house tunes uh go to 883 center force radio it's it's epic sundays in particular very chilled if you like some if you're on a soulful loving on sundays but of course you do get some adverts which is a bit poor i did when it got to nine o'clock and it all went a little bit too bit too

CHAPTER 10 / 19 Discussion

Dating Red Flags and Socialize and Mingle Cards

The discussion turns to past dating struggles, including a woman who was so self-centered that the host had to use "Socialize and Mingle" conversation starter cards to facilitate dialogue. He admits to overlooking "red flags" in the past due to a lack of human contact as a single father. They discuss the difficulty of maintaining social skills and "clever" conversation when living alone.

dating· red flags· conversation starters· single dad· socialization

30:03 banging i switched to a to a playlist on spotify which favorite post spotify list so it was it was great very well you you put the world to riots you had lots of good conversation the conversation flowed as well you didn't have to kind of pull out any tricks to think you know what oh there's an awkward silence here few cards i had a few conversation starters in my back no i didn't really do you you joke i've genuinely had to do that the last woman i was um chatting to online she was so disinterested in anyone but herself that at one stage on one of our videos i had to get this this pack of now they're a brilliant packet set of cards um called socialize and mingle and they're just they're just loads of they are literally just conversation starters to say you

30:43 know um uh what's your favorite this or tell me a time when that you've done that um because otherwise i wouldn't have been able to get anything of me over and she just wouldn't have known about me you know that we're no longer chatting it sounds like it sounds like you guys are sorted before the pack of cards came out was there not did you not like buy three you know red flags i'm sorry to inform you but you've just shown the third red flag and uh and this conversation well there were there were a few flags but a she was very very attractive um and b uh it's been a long time since i've chatted with anyone you know what they're at the moment i'd put up with someone with more flags than a communist rally i just i just need a little bit of

31:25 contact with someone someone attractive who fancies me you've got to keep the in the game you've got to keep like so when it comes around to some real conversation you you're not it's like that first person you talk to in the morning woe died if particularly being a dad at home single dad you know i'm sure you've experienced this at work sometimes the first person you speak to it's really important and you haven't realized that it's the first person you're speaking to and you go in my mind i was ready for this conversation in reality i'm it's the first i forgot i forgot how to do like all the words um and orders and things and like clever things i forgot them

32:12 oh i've just closed the other window on on which has got all my notes in and the uh where we go eight tabs open that back up um so went well basically went well so important question in common because we know each other from from way back or we know we've got we've got shared friends from way back oh that's good that is useful that that all that creates a bit of a bit of a bond between the two of you and gives you a few other things to talk about facebook has just thrown up the most perfect picture i'm just going to share this for just for pure chips and giggles it's a picture from from our uni days of us looking um like disheveled and in the park

CHAPTER 11 / 19 Discussion

Workplace Burnout and Operational Growth Challenges

One host describes a grueling week at work characterized by internal staff changes and the "hockey stick" stage of business growth. He expresses frustration at being pulled into operational tasks and contract negotiations rather than focusing on high-level strategic growth. While acknowledging the success of the business, he notes that the current level of juggling multiple responsibilities is not sustainable long-term.

burnout· business growth· hockey stick· strategic planning· employment

32:56 good good flashback to 96 basically um where uh so that's that's been that's been my week the glen lundy show the the the date on friday night i've been pushing hard on on the hero academy uh had my covid jab um and and totten one on uh on on on wednesday so so the world's good the world yes we did yes we absolutely did and we're going to be winning again tomorrow so uh it's going to be a good weekend yeah my my week's been my week's mic's been all right but it's just been long and tiring work work's been manic we've had lots of internal staff changes taking on a couple of team members as well we're getting them up to speed and someone else has left so i've

33:36 had to take on all of their stuff as well oh here we are photo here sorry i didn't mean to drop that in there here we go look at that we are can you see me is that you yeah with with my like raving curtains can we go big can you go big on a picture like this oh there we go uh there's there's probably a button yeah oh bless you bless you yeah pretty much exactly the same yeah pretty much exactly the same yeah um sorry let me just cut in on your week then your week chat yeah go on tell me so you so i in fact i was talking about you this week to someone because i was going i said we're talking about glenn you know glenn a dating dad who does the wrap-up with me and i was like yeah yeah so so i said uh i said i think he's too good at his job and he doesn't realize he

34:28 doesn't realize that they keep keep loading responsibility onto him. I made a note I was gonna go on and have to have a chat with Glenn. Sorry that we're doing it live on a podcast, but yeah, are you okay? Are they giving you out? Oh, just could we just give you another team of five people? Oh, before you go, Glenn, could you just take on? I just wondered if you could just finish this off before the that's it. It's been mad, it has been mad, and there's been like um a few late nights and a few weekends and loads of extra stuff. And the trouble is at the moment as well, some of the stuff I'm covering is and I think it's horrible because I do feel quite wanky when I'm saying this.

35:11 Um, and like who the fuck, who do I think I am? But I'm having to get involved in operational stuff and getting involved in actually doing things and sending statements of work over and negotiating contract numbers with for a particular account and stuff. That's all great, and that's all well and good, but it's not what I'm there for. I'm there for growth and sales and big, like nice interesting stuff, good, chunky, strategic stuff. Um, and yet I'm having to do this because we just haven't got enough staff to cover all the work we're bringing in. It's it's a very weird time, and I'm and I'm trying to trying to just enjoy it while it's happening because thinking I probably won't have much of a chance to do this in future.

35:50 But God, it's knackering. And you know, when you've got so many balls of so many different sizes and you're juggling and juggling, and I don't know how many balls are up there at the moment, and sometimes I can't even see them when they're on the floor. So it's not sustainable, but hopefully it'll only be for the next month or two. It's that hockey stick, like you get like business exec talking, oh, yeah, we're in the hockey stick stage. It's like high work, high growth before it before it levels off and you can take the rewards of your hard work. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and it's good, it's good, and it won't last, but yeah, I don't want to be doing this level of stuff forever.

36:30 It's good, but it's not, it's not me. Did you fill that form in about the cooking virtual date thing? Did my friend contact you? Cooking virtual date thing. She's a giant and she was gonna, she asked me about it, and then she've I've certainly, um, I don't know. Again, this sounds wanky, but I have a lot of people contacting me for a lot of things. So I always have to follow on up immediately because then I forget otherwise. So if it was sent, then I have I did it, but I won't have remembered it since then. I hope anyway, I hope I did it because I have to do it immediately. You're just waiting for the big breakthrough, though, the overnight success that took years to.

CHAPTER 12 / 19 Discussion

Five Guys a Week Channel 4 Pilot Experience

A host reflects on the one-year anniversary of his appearance on the Channel 4 reality show Five Guys a Week. He explains the show's concept—where five men move into a woman's house—and reveals he made it to the final two against a millionaire pilot. Despite the show's international success and his face appearing on billboards in Cannes, he notes that the experience did not lead to any lasting romantic connections.

channel 4· five guys a week· reality tv· cannes· nft

37:11 Yeah, talking about that, it was also this week was exactly a year since my Five Guys a Week show aired on Channel 4. And so I was expecting, not expecting, there was part of me, part of me that thought, okay, this might take off and you might get a lot of interest. I didn't get one single woman who I thought, you know what, she's an option. Contact me. Not one. It's kind of pretty calling. So what was the Five Guys a Week thing? I haven't spoken to you about that. That was one of my bigger TV things I've done recently. So actually filmed it way back in 28, end of 2018.

37:53 And just because I write blog and species are fairly well known in that sector, last minute I got a phone call from someone saying, I'll borrow you free in like two weeks' time for just for a day or a couple of days. We don't know exactly what, but we're filming a TV show. It's not the actual show. This is a pilot. So realistically, what they do with pilots, I don't know how much TV work you've done, but generally speaking, pilots, they will film them. They'll learn the lessons. They'll see what works, what doesn't work. And then they'll actually, if it works really well, they'll commission a proper series. So the pilot is just the pilot. It gets archived away. So I thought, why not?

38:29 You know, this is fun. It'd be good. And the concept is five guys literally move into a woman's house, her actual house, and then it's the kind of, I guess, mini bachelor style. She gets rid of one person a day. You do activities like go to the gym or go partying or all these, you meet her mum and all this sort of stuff. And then one guy gets kicked out every day. I thought, sod it, why not? I didn't realize that all the other guys, they are, I won't, I won't say fame-hungry is bad, but they're all people who are on certain lists for, you know, I want to be famous. And now, is this a vehicle that's going to get me famous? That's the sort of thing they were. So, but whereas little old me, I just had no idea.

39:10 I was just doing it because I thought, if there's even a chance that the woman chooses me and we live happily ever after, isn't that a cool story? And worst case scenario, someone in the world might see it and think, he seems all right. I'll drop him a line. line. So I walked in there and thinking, and I had my kids that week. So my dad was looking up. I said, Dad, can you just look after him for a day or two? So I went on a Thursday or whatever it was. Look after him for a day or two. I have absolutely no doubt, Dad, I'll get kicked out first. Maybe if I'm lucky, second. That's my aim: to not be the first one kicked out. So can you look after him? And I walked in there. And so the first guy kicked out.

39:53 I'll share spoilers because solid it, it's been out there for a year. First guy's kicked out was a professional surf instructor from the Canary Islands. Sexy motherfucker. Really cool, chilled out, kind of relaxed guy. Super cool. I love him. So he got kicked out first. I thought, okay, this is good. Dad, can you have him another night? Yeah. Yeah, all right, son. When are you going to be? I don't know. I don't know. Second guy to leave was a professional stump man who's got world records for upside down push-ups, like literally flipping himself up. He's one of the strongest guys. So really cool. Third guy to leave was a professional singer-songwriter from America. Or came over from America. He's British, but came over from America. Again, super cool, sweet guy. Dad, Dad, can you look after him?

40:36 I can't help it. I'm in the final two. Come on. All right, son. Just yeah, whatever. And so then she had to choose between me, a single father of four, or a millionaire banker with a pilot's license with no kids. Guess which one she chose? But yeah, they didn't last more than two dates. And weirdly, I'm now really good friends with her. We get on really well. We've stayed in contact and we chat all the time. Whereas I don't think she's spoken to most of the other guys for a very long time. Who were probably novids, basically.

41:13 Channel 4 loved it so much that they not only did they commission two series off the back of it, they also put us up. They actually kept the pilot and ran it as the very first episode. So yeah, we were the so when they were selling it, they've sold the concept in multiple countries all around Europe. And very weirdly, I saw a load of pictures. They took it to Cairns. And so I saw these pictures of my face on the billboards at Cannes TV Festival. Well, yeah, just there was all six of us in this oversized bed and all the promotional shit that was going on. And yeah, so my photos have been up in Cairns and in magazines. And it was really weird seeing myself on Channel 4.

41:53 And there's even a GIF of me on whatever Twitter or whatever. There's GIFs of me that you can use. It's very, very surreal. That's that's or even now. Is it an NRT? NFT nearfield transmitter. No, it's all been the big thing this week. Everyone's making these unique digital bits of artwork. They're called. Oh, right. Okay. I don't know. I know that. Oh, is it? Oh, is this the thing that not Cassabian? What are those bands did? And it's a it's like a cryptocurrency. Yes. I've heard of them. They're weird. I still can't quite wrap my head around the concept.

CHAPTER 13 / 19 Discussion

Harry and Meghan Oprah Interview Media Analysis

The hosts analyze the cultural impact of the Harry and Meghan interview with Oprah Winfrey, contrasting the British media's hostile reaction with American commentary. They discuss the themes of racism, xenophobia, and the generational clash between institutional duty and millennial individuality. The host concludes that Harry is reacting against the establishment to protect his family, much like his mother, Princess Diana.

meghan markle· prince harry· oprah winfrey· daily mail· netflix

42:38 I can't, but it did just pop in there. That could have been perfect because I've been doing research ahead of today about the Harry and Megan interview. I've missed all that. So I deliberately didn't watch it because of one of these things where I'm no anti-royalist, I'm no Republican, but equally, I don't really care too much. It doesn't affect me on a day-to-day basis. That's what I thought. And then I kept getting, then I kept getting finding myself backed into situations where I kind of needed an opinion. And I didn't want to watch it because I didn't want to get pushed. I didn't want to get like just flipping activated by it, you know?

43:21 Yeah. And because I didn't really know what I think. I don't know what I don't think enough to think bad. I like the royal family mainly because I think what else are we going to have? Like, I don't really want the president. We get a lot, you know, it's like, we're Britain, like, kind of like, just roll with it. We've always had a lot of stuff. It's a brand, isn't it? Yeah. So, so, uh, so I'm okay with that. Then we've got, then you've got all the Megan and Harry stuff going on. And it just seems to me like there's a lot of the race card gets played around it. And I'm like, obviously, it's easy as a white guy to say, like, really? Are you still banging on? Not like, are you still banging? But like, you married this guy and you're coming being part of the family.

44:02 And yet, this, you keep bringing this up. Like, is that, is that really got anything to do with it? And so I kind of had opinions, but they weren't really that researched or that well justified. So then I think, well, I'm not going to watch that media flipping shit. fest it's just they get a hundred million dollars off netflix so now they're on that now they're on tv and 17 million people watched it live 17 17 or 70 that the guy the guy one of the american programs i was watching when i was doing like my little bit of you know half hour research he said

44:39 17 17 million watched the live broker well it wasn't the live broadcast but watched the watch the aired show in america i mean more people watch the uh the last black frame of uh the 1980 odd world snooker final but you know we only had four channels back there and there were this but not not 17 million in the uk 17 million in in in the us slash slash world yeah and um so then i i have watched it and and it's just bonkers so what i do want to say right because this is such a big subject right and when you when you watch it and well i'll tell you what i did do which is really interesting especially british people should do this because i was at my aunt's today my aunt's house she gets the daily mail right she knows it's crap good on her she does know it's crap but she says i've read it

45:28 for whatever 30 years i enjoy reading it but i am aware that it's a load of cotsworth um so i'm sat there reading the like the british media version of of like how dare they have this interview then i watch a lot of the american commentary about the interview but also commentating on how the british media is reacting and in the middle i watched the actual interview and i think everyone's got to take this rounded approach and it just strikes me most of all that harry is kind of he's he's sort of reacting against what happened to his mum he's reacting against the establishment that he's been brought up in they they talk about being trapped like i can't i couldn't i couldn't do what i

46:14 want to do they wouldn't let me i had to leave or stay but i couldn't stay and do what i want to do so i've got to leave so i can do what i want to do and now i'm getting caned for leaving by the british press who are actually then blaming my wife for for why i'm leaving they start bringing up these different examples of um things they said about kate things the media said about kate and then things the media said about i've said about uh megan um and it is it's it's weird it's like you can't kind of can't deny it um it's it's a combination of racism and xenophobia um because i think her being black plays into

46:54 it but also her being american plays into it as well and uh she's a an independent indoor kind of independent-minded and independently made woman they don't like that and because i read a little piece which was basically saying the royal family is all about subsuming oneself within an institution you're there for the institution it doesn't like individual glory as such whereas they're they're millennials you know for millennials it is about individuality and and making something of oneself um and doing you know whether it's doing good for the world or doing good for yourself it's about yourself rather than necessarily an institution and so they

47:34 those two things were never gonna sit perfectly well and um william has taken the the institutional route and and that's not as a detriment to him he's decided that he's going to be part of the institution he was born to and harry's decided he doesn't want to be part of that institution and and the trouble is like you're saying he has to leave and he said i've i've left and you know basically saying i don't want the royal titles i'm not going to do any of the work i'm not going to i don't need the the official stuff because that's not who i want to be and then we're in the uk saying you all in that case we're going to get take away your royal titles and you can't be who you used to be he said well i don't want that so why are you

48:14 pretending that i should want that but i don't want that it's it's such this this weird projection of values and i just that doesn't sit comfortably yeah it's and it's so much bigger a subject than the british media would would have it be and i just i've said before about cutting out media cutting out news i did it after my breakdown around around the divorce for my own sanity and well-being and imagine if everyone did but i mean i mean just flipping just knock murdo on his head and just i don't know yeah and the world would not

CHAPTER 14 / 19 Discussion

Piers Morgan Controversy and Generational Language Shifts

The conversation addresses Piers Morgan's departure from his television role following comments about the royal interview. The hosts discuss how generational norms regarding language and curiosity about skin tone in mixed-race families are being re-evaluated under a modern microscope. They praise Prince Harry for his work with the Invictus Games and his ability to accept his flaws while trying to modernize his role.

piers morgan· racism· mixed race· invictus games· prince harry

48:51 stop turning everything would still go on and people would be a lot bloody happier there's no two ways about it yeah and piers morgan did you see he's gone so i don't like piers morgan a he's an arsenal fan right and and and that's a bit of banter right i've been i'm not one of those football fans who hates the opposition i love the banter that's involved with rivalries rivalries but um so he he steps up and says in fair innocence i think he says if you had a if you're if someone in your family got married to a black person i think it's quite a normal question to ask oh if you have a baby how black is it going to be

49:34 a bit like if it was a mixed race race child yeah so he sat on national tv saying that and then so i'm thinking oh that's the kind of stupid thing i'd say right but but but he's on he's he's piers morgan right he's on national and then he and then he really he kind of he says no no i'm i'm right and he probably is right it's the kind of stupid question that someone who was who was you know someone who was yeah 60 would ask exactly and and it's all about context and it's all about individuals and there's things and certainly older generations they and it doesn't excuse it but it certainly

50:11 explains it they've just grown up with different kind of societal norms um and yes a lot of them are changing and growing and evolving but they they lived in a different world back then where that sort of language was absolutely fine but i've got i've got mixed race cousins my family of married people um who are black and i've got cousins who are mixed race and yeah that's the sort of thing that i've heard people ask when they've all been having kids and when they've then married either uh or had children with uh people who are white or people who are black and skin tone has been kind of mentioned in a not in a

50:47 i hope it is this or i hope it isn't that but in a oh i wonder what that would be i wonder what they're gonna look like because you do wonder about that or as a shocking question no as as an it's always done as an acceptable question just like if if um if i'm if i had kids with someone who had flaming red hair you'd be like are they gonna have yeah is she gonna have be be a redhead or is she gonna have darker brown hair or and and and a ginger beard um you know they're questions but it's all about context and we don't know the context it's easy for us to see that sort of language of um uh and make it in our heads like a racist older person claim you can think about it as a racist older person saying i hope it isn't black or it could be a kind of

51:35 just a curious person saying i i'm curious about how they're gonna look because i'm always curious about how babies are gonna turn out whenever someone's pregnant but it gets played out under the microscope and then everyone's outraged and and shocked and oprah's oprah's like flipping coughing a boller cup and she's like oh i can't believe you've just said that oprah was it was so funny i think it was lost on everyone but oprah was sat there like the queen she was she was like the queen of talk shows and she was she was sat there i mean it's good i i i i'm glad i watched it i'm glad i watched it i got a i got a different perspective on it and do you know what i take most from it i take most that harry's a good guy basically he is yeah about that i've i've never met him but um he seemed every he's one of those

52:23 people who just he's he's of his generation he's he's modern he's flawed he accepts the flaws um and wants to be and constantly is trying to make better and he has done things that other royals could have done but didn't have the balls to i mean that or didn't have the the ability to the the invictus games um all the the work he's he does of his own accord it's it's huge it's really important he's a yeah he comes across the top guy yeah definitely so dad of the week this week oh have you got a jingle no no no there we go i need to label those buttons harry harry winds a good dad of the week there we go um

CHAPTER 15 / 19 Discussion

Davina McCall and Big Brother Nostalgia

The hosts transition to their "Hot in the 90s" feature, focusing on former Big Brother host Davina McCall. One host shares a personal connection involving his brother being scouted by a modeling agency in Harrods. They praise McCall for her enduring attractiveness, positive mindset, and her current focus on health, fitness, and nutrition, noting her ability to be both fun and serious.

davina mccall· big brother· harrods· health· nutrition

53:14 big brother we're running out of time right but uh just briefly hot in the 90s our favorite the the the feature we get the most reference to most comments back um so davina mccall got herself into some hot water this week which again we're going off the back of one serious subject to the next one we probably won't speak too much about what went on but um she was the host of the big brother in the uk for many years she's no longer but um when it when it was i won't say when it was good because it was only good for the first couple seasons but for its i'd say it's peak years

53:54 and i have a even further back reference pop reference to davina mccall my brother was spotted in harrods when he was about 14 by a model person from model one models one something like one of the big big London modeling agencies. So, Davina McCall, so he so he got the looks genes in your family then. Got it. Okay, oh, he got lots. He got basically, I was like the test, test, test dummy, you know, like all the things that went wrong have happened to me. And he just you were the pilot, yes, the pilot, the crash test dummy. So, Davina McCall, um, she's just she was hot back in the day, and she's still stunning.

54:36 It's good, she's still smoking, and she's she's one of those women who are I there's a difference between being hot and being attractive, and she is incredibly attractive, not only physically, but the sense of humor, her attitudes, her, her mindset, her everything about her is as hot as and attractive as I can imagine a woman being. Yeah, I'm down with that, and uh, and she's a load of fun as well. She looks like a lot of fun, she's she's uh, she's into a health and fitness and food and nutrition these days. Um, but all in a positive way, you know, she's she's she's always in a very positive, supportive mindset.

55:18 She'll challenge people when they need challenging, she'll be serious when you need to be serious. But most of the time, her default is let's be fun and enjoy life, yeah, yeah, and she's not afraid to be to say what needs to be said either. Um, we in the UK, oh, here's a good one, I've looked at this one out, yeah. Oh, she's got some tattoos there. I wonder why she's going to get that tattoo fixed. So, for people on the podcast, Davina's wearing a black and white striped bikini, quite low-cut on the briefs, and there looks to be some kind of octopus tentacles appearing from out of the front of the uh bikini bottoms there. Um, so this week, uh, sadly, a woman got murdered in the UK this week, and

CHAPTER 16 / 19 Discussion

Sarah Everard Murder and Gender Safety Dialogue

The discussion turns to the tragic murder of Sarah Everard in the UK and the resulting national conversation about women's safety. They discuss Davina McCall's controversial tweet regarding fear-mongering and men's mental health. The hosts explore the nuance of how men feel defensive when "all men" are characterized as dangerous, while acknowledging the horrific reality of violence and the need for men to call out bad behavior among peers.

sarah everard· davina mccall· feminism· mental health· sexual assault

56:00 and there's been quite a lot of media commentary, uh, women's groups, feminist groups coming forward and talking about uh, women and women and our daughters need to be protected from men, and and it's just a blanket men, it's not like bad men, mean men, sexist men, it's just like need to be protected from men. And Davina came out and said on Twitter, it's not about men. Um, here we go, female abduction, murder is extremely rare. Yes, we should all be vigilant when out alone, but this level of fear-mongering isn't healthy, and men's mental health is an issue as well.

56:41 Calling all men out as dangerous is bad for our sons, brothers, and partners. And uh, I just thought that was a flipping thing for her to say, and no surprise, she's been absolutely eroded by women's groups and feminist groups. I think two things have been conflated, um, as far as I can see. And you know, with all of the underlying caveats of what happened to Sarah Everton was horrific and should never happen to anyone, it's atrocious, and our thoughts go out to her family and everyone involved. It's horrendous. Um, but it, what's happened, what from my perspective feels like it's happened is two things have been conflated.

57:26 There's violence by you know, psychopaths and men, generally speaking, it is men, violence which leads to you know attacks and deaths against women has been conflated with um sexual assault and sexual issues. Um, and there's been a stat going around about 97% of women age 18 to I can't remember what the upper tier was, but probably no upper tier have um experienced unwanted sexual uh advances or assault of some kind. Um, and that has been saying uh kind of the inference is that that is as bad as um the rape and murder of women by men, and the two things have been kind of made into one issue.

58:09 So, so it people women are going out and rightly saying they shouldn't have they don't know that it's not, they know it's not all men, but they don't know which men it is, so they're wary of all men, and that is sad and terrible. And things need to change, and the things they are changing, they are getting better without them being good, and that for me is a real distinction. But women, men are more aware in general. Um, not all men are more aware, and there are always going to be sadly, we're human, and there are always going to be scumbags and rapists and thieves and murderers and so on.

58:48 Um, and the challenge is that we need to find better ways. Men, we need to be better as men at calling that out. But that being said, and I language to me is really important, and the language that's been going around has implied not that. that all men definitely do, but that all men could be. And that's just not true. And it makes men feel defensive about these things. And when you feel defensive about something, say, look, it's not me. It's not like that. Your natural instinct is to say it's not me, therefore, and it's no one I know. You kind of go into that defensive mode and stops you from thinking, I know it's not me. And I know it's not people I know, but when could I have been better about that?

59:33 When one of my mates said something that I could have maybe called out, it stops you from doing that because you feel attacked. And when people feel attacked, they feel they go into defensive mode. And so it's a tricky one because I don't think it's intended to be attacking all men, but as a man, that is how it feels. Yeah. And the important thing about that is that then some of those men that need to hear that message then stop listening because they're listening for something different. They're hearing something different. And then they're missing the message, which is, I don't know what the message is. This is the appropriate way to ask a woman out, or this is the appropriate way to say, are we going to go back to my place and have sex?

CHAPTER 17 / 19 Discussion

Parenting and Navigating Sexualized Clothing for Children

The hosts discuss the challenges of parenting daughters in a culture that often sexualizes children's clothing. One host describes the difficulty of finding appropriate "sports" swimwear for his daughter, noting that many retail options resemble "Love Island" bikinis. They discuss the protective instinct of fathers and the need to shield children from the "animal nature" and "weirdos" present in society.

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1:00:16 So like, just have it be, because I mean, surely women at a certain appropriate time want to be asked that question. It's a really tricky balancing because, and again, this is not all women, but generally speaking, all the women I've engaged with, they want the man to take the lead in things. They want the man to pursue and to hunt as such. And that is true. That's a fact for all the women that I've ever engaged. I'm not saying that's all women with all the caveats applied. But generally speaking, society says men take the lead and men are not, and this is a bad word to use, but the aggressor in that.

1:00:56 They're taking the lead. And we're also now, we shouldn't have to be told this, but being told don't do this or don't react to that. And for some, it can be quite confusing. I mean, it's also one of those weird ones where to most of us, it's bloody obvious. You know, just it's a standard thing. If a woman walks up to you wearing a bikini, that doesn't mean you can grab her ass. But the message she's giving is, I'm in, it's a sexual image. And if she's acting in a certain way, then that can lead a man to think a certain path.

1:01:39 And that's, it's a tricky one. And it's difficult because there's so many different contexts around, but it's difficult to really be able to say one blanket, you should or shouldn't do this when nuance is everything. Yeah, yeah. Well, my daughter, you know, there are, we go swimming a lot. So I specifically seek out and buy her. She wants, you know, she wants a two-piece bikini. I don't even like calling it a bikini because she's too young for that. But you can buy, but you have to hunt high and low for them. A sports bikini, like sports swimsuit, two-piece sports swimsuit. But the swimsuits you see in most shops are like quite sexual.

1:02:19 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, there's a Love Island swimsuit. Nine-year-old and they're they're frilly, you know, cut high up on the bum. And I'm like, there's no way I'm letting my daughter wear that because as a bloke, I know what I get triggered by. I don't mean I get triggered by seeing little girls in bikinis, but you do. When you see an attractive woman in a bikini, you it it triggers you like, wow, look at her. And so then you know that there are weirdos out there and say, well, I definitely don't want anyone having that thought about my daughter because of because she's wearing that bikini. So I'll buy her an appropriate one. So it's almost like a fine line between the human instincts and the animal nature of it.

CHAPTER 18 / 19 Discussion

Male Allyship and Minimizing Risk in Society

The hosts suggest practical ways for men to be better allies, such as crossing the street at night to avoid making women feel uncomfortable. They compare the "real world" necessity of minimizing risk to training a son not to wear a rival football shirt in a hostile pub. The segment concludes with a critique of partisan politics and a call for better dialogue to create a safer future.

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1:03:05 And then also educating men on a general level of, and it's a bit like the Black Lives Matters thing. It's like, we've got to get these two groups of people talking. We've got to get people understanding each other better. Like, what do you, what is the question you want to be asked? How do you want to be approached? What is the right way to... There have been some good things coming out of this. So some men on Twitter have been asking, well, how can I be a better ally? What can I do? And there's things that I've always done as a matter of course because I've been hypersensitive to this sort of thing. Like if you're, if it's at day or night, it doesn't night time it's exacerbated. But actually, if you're walking down the street and you can see a lone woman in front of you, even a pair of women walking in front of you, what cross over and walk on the other side of the street?

1:03:49 Because they're going to know that a man's, they don't know you're not doing anything wrong. They don't know you're just listening to music or whatever. They don't know you. So they've got no reason to think, they're going to fear the worst. worst because that's how women are forced to feel by society. So cross over to the other side of the road. If you can, make a phone call to your mum. It's not doing, it's a little thing you can do, but it makes a real difference to people. And it's small things like that. That is the opportunity for us to learn about this and to remind men. Call your mates out. If you're sitting around and they're leering over some woman or like making rude comments to the waitress or whatever, just say, mate, that's not cool, is it?

1:04:35 And it's not. Imagine that's a sister. Yeah, call them out on it exactly. Yeah. But and part of me is it almost is, I get a little bit frustrated at the that's that's um what if that was your sister? What if that was your mum? It shouldn't matter because you're just a decent human being. That sort of behavior isn't acceptable. So you should be better than that. But the other part, the kind of flip side for me, is yes, of course women should be allowed to wear what they want without fear of assault or rape or murder or anything like that. But my kids should be, let's talk about boys and this.

1:05:16 So my boy should be able to wear a Spurs shirt and walk into any pub on North London Derby Day around the Emirates and have a beer with his mates and laugh and joke and so on. He should be able to, but in reality, we don't live in this utopian society. If he did that, he would probably get his head kicked in. So I have to train him not to do those things. I have to train my kids that if it's late at night, don't walk down a dark alley. They shouldn't have to think that way, but we live in the real world. So it's about minimizing risk. Now, frustratingly, women have to minimize more risk than men because that's the way things are.

1:05:54 And it shouldn't be, but we live in a real world. And while we do, we just have to keep training our kids appropriately. Yeah, and keep the dialogue open and up about it. Yeah. Well, I was just going to, when I did the hot in the 90s and I was going to do Big Brother, I went and did an article on the Daily Star, right? No surprise, the Daily Star, right? But the top 10 sexiest Big Brother household mates, the pictures of the women who are on it are highly, highly sexual boobs, bikinis. And yeah, on the one hand, that should be fine. But on the other hand,

1:06:33 they're being dressed like that to get attention. It's a twisted subject. And that's why both sides need to be in the conversation. But I think good on Davina for standing up to that conversation, basically. Yeah, I think just like just like everything else, she's entitled to her opinion. And she's saying something that she truly believes. And from her perspective, and it's a perspective I can agree. You can say, I believe that not all men, we should be careful about the language you use about describing the perpetrators of this violence. And that is true at the same time as men need to be better. Both of those things can be true. They don't, it's not an either or situation. I hate the

1:07:17 partisan language, the partisan politics of if you're not saying exactly this thing, you're wrong. And I just, I can't stand that. Yeah. Better people, better worlds. Well, the future's ours to create. And that's where all these conversations need to go: what would the ultimate future look like? Right, let's start making it. Let's start making that. Yeah, well, that's the future. But one thing that I'm sad that we've lost from the past is a certain befuddled commentator that lit up my life. Absolutely. Tell us, how long you been an F1 fan, Glenn? Well, I've been an F1 fan since I was a kid, since back in the days when it was on terrestrial TV.

CHAPTER 19 / 19 Discussion

Murray Walker Tribute and Mother's Day Outro

The episode concludes with a tribute to legendary Formula 1 commentator Murray Walker, who passed away at age 97. The hosts reminisce about "Murray-isms" and his genuine enthusiasm for the sport. Finally, they discuss Mother's Day plans and the importance of spending time with children before signing off with the Team Super Dad mission statement.

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1:08:02 And for those who didn't know, I'm such a my youngest son is called Jensen after Jensen Button. Not after you, Johnny, sadly. But yeah, he's I've loved the sport and it is a sport and I it's incredible. And I've loved it since I was a kid. And as I was growing up, the voice of F1, without, you know, you get, yet certain voices get associated with certain sports. And so you hear that voice and it doesn't matter what they're saying, it takes you into that sport. And the voice of F1 is now and will forever be the great Murray Walker. He is just, he had this, he was a, he wasn't, he didn't ever try and be the expert.

1:08:44 He never tried to be this slick, media trained personality. He was just genuinely a fan, a fan who loved F1 so much and was just felt felt privileged to be part of that and to be able to share his enthusiasm with the world. And I think he's inspired a generation not only of F1 fans, but drivers and engineers as well. Yeah. And commentators in other sports as well to be that alive, to be that, oh, oh, oh, he's off, he's off, he's off. You know, I loved he had them, they called him Murray-isms, where he used to just say something and it sounded so ridiculous.

1:09:21 But as he said it, it was fine. It was like, this is an interesting circuit because it has inclines and not just up, but down as well. And the lead car is absolutely unique, except for the one behind it, which is identical. You just make these sayings and these phrases and these things that would just like stand out. And unless I'm very much mistaken, I am very much mistaken. And these moments that he would just carry it away from himself. Like when Damon Hill, was it 96 when he won in Japan and he said something along the lines of, I'm sorry I have to stop speaking now because I've got a lump in my throat.

1:10:01 And he just say something and it would just encapsulate how the nation was feeling. And yeah, he was beyond one of those true individuals who was as loved off the radio or off the screen as much as he was on it as well. Yeah, yeah. And just for people who don't know, like he's an old guy. He died today, 97 years old. So full respect to Murray Walker. Lost, be like a friend. To a lot of people, they feel like I lost a friend today. Yeah. Well, Glenn, we'll do tattoo fixes next week because we've been on long enough for people to put up with. Sunday tomorrow, I'm going on a bike ride to try out my road bike for a duathlon I'm doing next month. So I've got to get out there on the bike.

1:10:44 Oh, nice. I'm got a bit of time by myself. It's Mother's Day. And as much as I've wanted my kids to spend the full day with their mum, their mum wasn't really interested in doing that. So she's only going to have them for an hour or a couple of hours. So hopefully they'll have a good time and then I can make them give them hugs in the evening. Nice, nice. Listeners, watchers, it's been great to have you here. We'll see you next week. Team Super Dad out. Bye. This has been Team Super Dad. Find us at teamsuperdad.com. Join the program and create the best life ever for you and your children.

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