Monday, 5 September 2022

86: Pox Luck

Federal agents target a St. Petersburg socialist group for alleged ties to the Kremlin while a global health emergency triggers new fears of biological warfare.

By Moe Factz with Adam Curry | 3h 3m listen | 38 chapters
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About this episode

The FBI recently executed a high-profile raid on the Uhuru House in St. Petersburg, Florida, following a federal indictment alleging a seven-year Russian influence campaign. Alexander Ionov and the Anti-Globalization Movement of Russia stand accused of conspiring to use American citizens as illegal agents to sow political discord. This federal intervention targets local political candidates like Jesse Neville and Aretha Achille Kenyan, who are alleged to have received Russian supervision during their municipal campaigns.

Historical intelligence reports suggest the Kremlin has long viewed Black American social circles as a strategic entry point for destabilizing domestic democracy. From the 1920s Great Migration to the 2016 presidential election, foreign actors have allegedly utilized anti-establishment memes and Marxist organizers to create internal community divides. Beyond the Uhuru House, the Black Hammer Party and its leader Ghazi face separate legal scrutiny following a SWAT standoff in Georgia involving kidnapping charges and pro-Russian demonstrations. These events coincide with a resurgence of the Foreign Agents Registration Act as a tool to combat what some characterize as a new Red Scare.

Adam Curry and Mo Facts analyze the psychological warfare of the monkeypox outbreak, noting the first reported death in Harris County, Texas. The discussion traces the virus from a laboratory monkey truck crash in Pennsylvania to Soviet-era bioweapons research conducted by Ken Alibek. Between debates on Darwinian eugenics and the National Geographic report on rats entering homes through toilets, the program captures a moment of deep skepticism toward public health messaging and international interference.


CHAPTER 01 / 38 Discussion

Mo Facts Podcast Return and Labor Day Potluck Introduction

Adam Curry and Mo Facts open the program on Labor Day, September 5, 2022, discussing their recent hiatus and the transition to securing foundational income. They introduce the "Potluck" theme for the episode, signaling a variety of topics to be covered. The hosts exchange pleasantries regarding a belated birthday and prepare to spin the "wheel of topics."

adam curry· mo facts· labor day· texas hill country· northern virginia· long covid

00:11 Working on Labor Day and not even just working, ready to go back to school. Hello, everybody. Time once again for Mo Facts with Adam Curry for September 5th, 2022. And I'm coming to you from the heart of the Texas Hill country. And we're getting ready to spin the wheel of topics from here to Northern Virginia. Please say hello to my friend on the other end, ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Mo Facts. How you doing, Adam? I'm good. I had a completely different opening for some reason. I just let it go. It sounded good to me. Long COVID, man. That's what's going on. Mo, it's been long COVID. Speaking of, it's been too long. You know, partially my fault, you know, again, stuff. Partially my fault. Other obligations. We got, you know, I'll take my share of the blame as well.

00:54 But I just want to be honest with people. I've been securing foundational income due to the transition. And now that's over. So thank you for bearing with me, Facts Family. And thank you for bearing with me. Adam. Yes. So that had to be secured. If not, my attention would have been diverted. And that's not good for the show or non-show life. And we always say, you know, no matter what's going on, it's like, hey, the show has to be top quality. We'd rather wait than just not have it be top quality. There's not the quality is not an option. And that's the main thing. And that goes in not rushing you to fence out of a time window.

01:38 You've had, you know, things you had to do. And like I said, just securing that foundational income so we don't have to lean on the facts family as hard because we know everybody's going through it. You know what I mean? So no kidding. It's getting really interesting out there in general. Since we last spoke, I think the price of gas has gone up 20 cents and come down 20 cents. It's like a roller coaster. Exactly. But we have some happenings going on. So I would like to give you a biscuit, sir. Oh, for your belated birthday. Well, thank you very much. They always give me a biscuit on my birthday.

02:18 Yes. Yes. Thank you. All right. So I guess now that we've got good with the facts family and we handed out the biscuits, why don't we go spin that wheel of topics? What do you say? Let's do it. All right, there it is. The wheel of topics. Round and round it goes. Where it stops, nobody knows. But of course, Mo Facts knows because he's put together, looks like another 40 clips for us. The topic for today's Mo Facts with Adam Curry is. Steetsup Potluck. Yay. Potluck, Potluck. I know what that means. Potluck. Potluck.

CHAPTER 02 / 38 Discussion

FBI Raid on Uhuru House in St. Petersburg, Florida

A federal indictment alleges that Russia attempted to sow political turmoil in the United States by partnering with the Uhuru House, an African Socialist group based in St. Petersburg, Florida. FBI agents raided the location following claims of a seven-year influence campaign involving propaganda and election interference. The discussion connects this event to historical Russian involvement with Black political liberation movements.

fbi· uhuru house· st. petersburg· russian collusion· african socialist party· federal indictment

03:04 Potluck. Oh, finally. Haven't had one in a long time. Like, maybe six months or so. It's only appropriate. We're working on Labor Day while everybody is off. So we got to have a potluck. Yes, exactly. That's what you do on Labor Day. You bring the potluck, you bring all the goodness to the party. Exactly. So with that said, we got to talk about the big raid in Florida. The big raid in Florida, the R-A-I-D, the Big Raid. That one? Yes. Number two. Good evening. Welcome here on this Friday. I'm Mark Wilson. And I'm Allie Corey. Thanks for being with us.

03:42 Versus 10, Russian collusion in our own backyard. A federal indictment says Russia wanted to cause political turmoil in the U.S. and found a willing partner in a group based in St. Pete. The indictment describes a conspiracy of propaganda, misinformation campaigns, and direct meddling in local elections that began years ago. The indictment doesn't identify the local group by name, but all evidence points to St. Pete's Uhuru house. And today, the Uhuru all but confirmed it. Ox Arteen's Haley Hines is here tonight with more for us. Haley. Halley, the indictment says that for more than seven years, Russia targeted the United States to carry out this influence campaign.

04:24 It says they recruited three political groups, one believed to be Uhuru and St. Pete. They helped fund the group's political campaigns and flew its leader to Russia to form a partnership aimed at sowing discord and mistrust here in the U.S. Despite the indictment, Uhuru leaders are by no means hiding their ties with Russia. Okay, Mo. Clearly, this is not a 45 Savage's raid. This is something else. Did this literally take place at the same time? And this is the first I'm hearing of it? Two weeks prior. So still the first I'm hearing of it. And Uhuru. all I can think of is Lieutenant Uhuru. Are you talking about the African leader? No, I'm talking about the lady on Star Trek.

05:09 Oh, was that her name? Yeah, I'm not a Trekkie. Well, I grew up with Uhuru. She just passed away like a couple of months ago or so. Well, hold on now. What? What? That might have been a total different show if I knew that. I'm sorry, I'm not a Trekkie. But no, we have to talk about this raid in Florida. I didn't know anything about it. This is nuts. Okay. So the Huru is this long-standing African group, African Socialist Party, I think they're associated with. And they were nabbed or, you know, at least raided over their involvement with Russian nationals.

05:53 Wow. This is. Go ahead. No, I had heard nothing of this. How did you hear about it? I was searching up Florida Raid. That's how you found no agenda, too. Exactly. You have some mad search skills, Moe. You mad skills. You score big when you go looking. Man, so I was like, whoa, what's going on here? And I fell down that rabbit hole. But it made me think back to the prior discussion that we've had across maybe the life of this podcast about Russian involvement with black political liberation or civil rights groups.

06:35 Or the slaves early on in the sharecropping. Chis Sharecroppers, yes. Yeah. Yes. So it goes back that far. So I was like, here we are. I mean, and another standing quote of the show is: it starts with us. So I think people need to pay attention to how this plays out because I think it's a blueprint for what we saw Joe Biden lay out in his speech. So I just, I thought it was very early. Yeah, let's dive in. I want to know more. What's going on? So now we have to go back a little bit to Show 74 Silly Mode.

CHAPTER 03 / 38 Discussion

Historical Context of Russian Infiltration in Black Civil Rights

The discussion explores how Russia has historically viewed Black Americans as a strategic entry point for destabilizing American democracy. References are made to the 1920s and 30s Great Migration, the Communist Party's role in civil rights, and labor leader A. Philip Randolph. The segment posits that modern movements like the George Floyd protests were influenced by Marxist organizers and corporate funding.

russia· civil rights· a. philip randolph· communism· george floyd· marxism

07:17 And this is talking about Russia has always targeted Black Americans. One. Russia has for a long time been trying to infiltrate this wonderful democracy republic that we have here in the United States of America. And since they started doing that, their entry point has always been the source of greatest value. Meaning, Baldwin said the black American, if the black American ever woke up to this, the Negro, must understand that we are the greatest threat to this democracy from this standpoint. That how we go is how this country goes. And we don't recognize the power of that, right?

07:59 And what that means is that we from the inside, and I'm not saying, you know, that this could happen or this should happen or what have you, but based on how we're treated, determines the future of this country, our reaction to it. The Russians have always understood that. So they've tried to come in. They've had various attempts during the first great migration in the 20s and 30s. They came in with the Communist Party and they played a significant role in defending civil rights for African Americans, right? A. Philip Randolph probably single-handedly was one of the most instrumental. He actually planned to march on Washington.

08:36 He, Barrett Rustin, and others, like it wouldn't have happened without him. But also in labor, he changed the paradigm and he was working similarly to Martin Luther King with the president and desegregating a lot of our workforce. But the Russians also had a hand in that, right? So I have a question to ask you. Do you think, or what is your take on her take of us being, when I say us, quote unquote, black people, so-called black people, no, as being a very influential or I forget the word she used, but basically this is the largest point of conflict for America.

09:22 If somehow we could basically be radicalized or because of the influence that black America has on the rest of America through culture. You mean like that? Right. And yeah. So I just wanted to get your do you think that's she's overreaching it? I mean, I'm just curious because I'll tell you where I stand so you don't have to go step out in the blind. I think if you look what happened at 2020 with George Floyd, how that one person dying influenced the whole world if somehow the Russians Russians could harness that power. Yes. Well, to some degree. They did, Mo. To some degree, this was organized by Marxists.

10:08 No one's really had time to sit still and think about that. But unfortunately, it seems to be more a problem of fascism where you have corporate America really funded that. That's where all the money came from. There were some big talkers, but it was Nike and McDonald's and it was big corporations who were sending money to very vague nonprofits who mainly were their job was to get people out of jail without bail. So that's pressure from above, pressure from below. Because we've talked about it before. I think the last show, or maybe two shows ago, how the powers that be fund both sides.

10:52 Oh, no, no, no. But that's kind of the point. It's like, if someone has to fund it, if it was coming, if it was the way I saw it with the Floyd riots and Black Lives Matter Inc., that was corporate America. And that's, you know, now you're down the ESG rabbit hole. You know, so why are they doing it? What is their incentive? And it's really, it's not even ideologically driven. It's just profit driven. And the Russians, I think, Yuri Bisnoff, I think if I pronounced that correct. Yeah, good old Yuri. He said, if we, we just started this in the 1950s.

CHAPTER 04 / 38 Discussion

Russian Influence on Black Social Media in 2016 Election

Intelligence reports suggest that Russia specifically targeted Black social media circles during the 2016 presidential election to create internal community divides. Tactics included the creation of anti-Hillary and anti-Bernie memes to influence voters in digital spaces. The hosts discuss how these efforts led to accusations of legitimate activist groups being labeled as Russian bots.

2016 election· russian bots· black twitter· hillary clinton· bernie sanders· social media

11:31 Well, the thing is, is just keep people fighting. It doesn't matter who wins. They just need to keep the stirring, what they call quote-unquote stirring the pot. And this is a great way to start a pot. And so now we have, she's, this is Karen Hunter, and she's having a discussion with Drew McCaskill. And he's going to bring it up to the 2020 election in this next throwback clip from 74. Tell me about the 2016 election and the Russians and what you know. So what the what made me like the hairs on my neck stand up when I saw, you know, when I saw some of the things that you were talking to talk about today is because

12:10 what happened in 2016 is that, and all of the intelligence bureaus have said this, right? Even though the administration continues to just sort of like ignore it. But all the intelligence bureaus said that Russia was very specific about engaging and trying and engaging and infiltrating black social media circles. So they were very clear on trying to create divides within the African American community in the 2016 election by creating things like anti-Hillary memes

12:59 in Bernie circles, anti-Bernie memes in Hillary circles. And also they spent the majority of their capital on trying to influence African Americans in social and digital spaces. Okay, that would make sense. That's where you want to do it. Right. And this is how Ados got accused of being Russian bots. Oh, of course. Because they are Russian bots. It's not Ados, but the black Twitter is Russian bots and they all know it. Right.

CHAPTER 05 / 38 Discussion

Alexander Ionov Indictment and Global Anti-Globalization Movement

Alexander Ionov, president of the Moscow-based Anti-Globalization Movement of Russia, was indicted for conspiring to use U.S. citizens as illegal agents of the Russian government. The FBI alleges Ionov spread propaganda regarding the invasion of Ukraine and worked to undermine trust in American democratic processes. The discussion questions the specific goals of Ionov's interactions with local U.S. political groups via Zoom.

alexander ionov· moscow· fbi· propaganda· ukraine· anti-globalization movement

13:37 And so you have this group actually pushing the mean or alleged to, let me be very clear, that are alleged by the FBI that are pushing misinformation, disinformation through backing from Russians. And they're open about it. As we get deep, I mean, they don't make, and when you go to their website, they're very pro-Russia. And that's okay. I mean, what I'm trying to figure out is, you know, they got raided, but it was raided because of a connection to some Russian that the cops were looking for. Right. Right. So I guess we can go ahead now and jump into number five, and that may answer some of the questions that you have.

14:18 My name is Alexander Iron from Moscow. In March 2022, Uhuru leaders held online discussions with the president of the Moscow-based anti-globalization movement of Russia. With help from a translator, the FBI says he spread Russian propaganda. Western propaganda is lying when they say that Russia has invaded Ukraine. This week, that man was indicted by a federal grand jury in Tampa with conspiring to use a number of U.S. citizens. citizens as agents of Russia. The facts and circumstances surrounding this indictment are some of the most egregious and blatant violations we've seen by the Russian government in order to destabilize and undermine trust in American democracy.

15:03 The FBI alleges from December 2014 through March of this year, Alexander Ianov was actively working to sow discord, spread Russian propaganda, and interfere with elections in the U.S. and around the world. Well, this is kind of interesting now. This is a bit of a twist. It does answer it because what the guy is saying is, at least, you know, their very superficial account is: hey, you know, this thing in Ukraine isn't exactly what you're being told it is. And of course, that's why they'd have to go after a guy like this because, oh, that's disinformation. Right. And what he reminds me of, but not maybe not to the scale of, you watch Homeland, right?

15:45 No, no, I'm sorry. You just watch Home Man, Homeland. That's like Mr. Robot gave us some tools and what the future both are. Homeland. I know. It's some interesting stuff. I had to do The Wire. Then I had to do Man in the High Castle. It's just not enough hours in the day. I know, I know. So I know you play catch up, but there was a character in Homeland that was basically playing this role of it's really just funding and giving people platforms and I'm letting people know. It's just as simple as hopping on Zoom meetings with certain people and taking funding from certain people can get you in this trick bag.

16:29 Oh, of course. But what I'm trying to understand here was what was the goal of involving Uhuru? Was the goal of this to have Uhuru spread that their disinformation to black America? Was that the idea? I'm just trying to understand that. They get to amplify. Okay. Just to think. Right. I mean, I think the Uhuru were doing this anyway. Why don't they say that? Well, the Russians came in. Let me amplify it. Let me give you. They just send me a check. I'll do it. December. Ooh, it'll be easy. No, I don't want none of that red money. No, no, no, no, no. Because that's how that's as easy as it could be. It's like, hey, we like what you're doing. Let's, you know,

17:14 but it has to be, you know, just not donations, but it's just like, oh, let's make a form. And they were hopping on Zoom meetings with this guy. And it's just that simple. So, right, okay. It starts. And they were good because they have some influence. Or what the Russian disinformant is looking to get is inroads into media, social media, and ways to spread his message. Right. And just to sow Discord. It doesn't matter who wins. It just keeps on fighting. So that's how this kind of thing works. Is that really what he was doing?

17:57 I'm just questioning. I'm just, you know, was that his entire job was to sow Discord? Well, let's get into some of the other characters and I'll let you make form your own opinion on it. Okay. I don't want to lead you. You know, I want you to. I've heard so much Russian disinformation that I'm immediately skeptical. Okay. What is it? What exactly was this person doing and with what goal? That's my point. All it has to be is that. It's just that. Russian. It's just like Russian and Russian provided information. It doesn't matter. That's the low bar we're talking about now.

CHAPTER 06 / 38 Discussion

Local Political Candidates and Alleged Russian Supervision

The DOJ alleges that Russian operative Alexander Ionov supervised and funded the 2019 St. Petersburg City Council campaign of Aretha Achille Kenyan. Another unindicted co-conspirator, former mayoral candidate Jesse Neville, is also linked to discussions with Ionov regarding the use of "reparations" as a divisive political tool. The hosts compare the FBI's focus on these local Florida groups to the high-profile raid on Donald Trump's residence.

aretha achille kenyan· jesse neville· st. petersburg· city council· reparations· fbi

18:35 So I just won't let this is why it caught my attention because it's like, wow, you know, even they said making memes. Hillary Clinton. Making memes. Well, yeah. That's a very, that's a very low bar. So let's go ahead and get into part three. The indictment alleges he and the Russian Federal Security Service relied on social media and also directed and controlled three political groups, one being the Uhuru movement in St. Pete. Russia has recruited and forged ties with persons and groups around the world who are positioned to amplify and reinforce Russia's messaging campaigns. They're using Russia as a part of a propaganda tool against the people to turn you away.

19:20 Uhuru's Aretha Achille Kenyan is alleged to be the candidate Russians were supervising in her 2019 run for St. Pete City Council, offering consulting and funding. At this point, Kenyan is considered an unindicted co-conspirator, but has not been charged. Why take their money? Did I ever say I took any money? See, no, no, no, no, no. I never, no, no, no. That's what I'm accused of. I never said that. So don't pull. put that in my mouth. I didn't say that. Did you take money? Look, I don't want to answer your question because you want to take it somewhere. I don't want to take it there. There was also apparent Russian influence in the 2017 St. Pete race for mayor.

19:58 The Uhuru group seen here disrupting political events. According to the indictment, the word reparations was part of alleged discussions between Ianov and another unindicted co-conspirator who appears to be former mayoral candidate Jesse Neville. Oh, okay. There you go. There's your Discord. Hey, reparations. Just throw that in. Reparations. Yeah, I'll do it. But what did the lady say that was talking to Joy Ann Reed? I forget her name. Ah, I forget her name. The one that brought up the black box, the Russian box point. Yeah, they're spreading things like reparations, tangibles. Yeah, yeah.

20:38 Yeah. That's all it takes. And so Akili Anaya, she is Shireen Mitchell. That's it. Shireen Mitchell. Yeah. That's it. I don't know if you had a clip right off hand, but basically, you talk about reparations, you're talking about tangibles. Anything, you know, that's that's enough. Discord, when you connect that to Russian influence, yeah. The problem is, I have like five clips of this, so I'm not sure which one it is. That's fine, but people are. I mean, you got to go back. I mean, I think the show Black Box covers the whole thing, but it does, it does, yeah.

21:15 But just basically, that's what she lists out. So you asked about Akili Anaya, well, she has a couple of different names. Arethia, I think she also goes by Arethia Achille. She was the director of the Department of Agitation and Propaganda for the African People's Socialist Party. Oh, nice gig. That's a nice business card to show. Agitation and propaganda. People, and I'm not saying she per se is LARPing or when you start throwing those kind of titles behind your name. Right. Now, this is interesting because this brings in the political element. And so when I hear

22:01 Russian disinformation medley, I mean, it sounds exactly like a Trump thing. Hello. The obvious, as usual. Now, this is where you just poo-poo. Like, sounds like a Trump. Sounds like something. This is how you get half Americans in a trip bag. Yeah. By lowering the bar. Yeah. Oh, you liked this tweet. You retweeted this tweet. Yeah, exactly. You drink skim milk. Is that vodka? You know what I'm saying? Like, that's that's that's enough.

22:40 Um, so I this is what I found, and I was like, this is very interesting, especially the timing of it. And I have to ask, what's going on with the Florida FBI? Because they raided Gillam. Then you have this, and then you have the Trump raid. So what's this kind of schizophrenic in a way? Yeah, but you know, that means that there's a red team and a blue team. You know, I think there's just one team. It's the money team. The money team makes the shit calls the shots. Yeah. So, I mean, I just hopefully, like I said, hopefully I have your picture interest because definitely.

CHAPTER 07 / 38 Discussion

Political Consultants and the ESG Diversity Industrial Complex

The discussion shifts to the role of consultants in politics and media who package marginalized groups to satisfy Environmental, Social, and Governance (ESG) requirements. The hosts argue that these consultants often "kill" authentic creativity by reducing movements to checkboxes for corporate funding. They cite the Podcast Movement and figures like Charlamagne tha God as examples of packaged messaging within the industry.

esg· bipoc· podcast movement· political consultants· charlamagne tha god· diversity

23:21 This is a very interesting case. So what we have to do now, oh, the other thing, she was running for office. Yeah. So I don't know how that works if you're taking funds from a well, you know, someone offered consultants. I mean, the wolves come in many clothing in this business. Consultants pop out of the woodwork everywhere. You know, this is kind of the thing. We don't have to belabor it, but the podcast movement was kind of a whole woke fest. I don't know if you followed any of that that went on. I did. I did. But it's kind of the same thing as in politics where you've got all these hundreds of consultants running around.

24:03 And here's what they do. You know, they find a marginalized group. Women, BIPOC was big this year. So a lot of literal Africans who went to Ivy League schools here. But a lot. A lot of BIPOC. And the consultants then, you know, they find these companies who are, you know, they need to check off an ESG box and say, oh, yeah, well, that's $200,000 for this series of podcasts. And they take 30%. And it just repeat and it goes over. over. This is the same in politics. But then they kill it. That's what they don't understand is when you take it from the creators, you kill it.

24:47 And I don't want to relabel the point, but we saw this with verses now. But remember when we, but it's even worse, is that sometimes they don't even, there's nothing to kill. They go and get the pieces and put it together and say, here's your show. Tailor-made for your ESG boxes. But yes, when it's an actual create of something and you reduce it down to the way the consultants do. My point is, it's the same thing with politics. Oh, yeah. You get the speechwriter, you get the PR person, you get the media coach. That's why Joe Biden is still president because all those pieces just keep functioning, whether he does or not is unimportant.

25:27 Correct. And as well as political pundits, because there's no doubt in my mind, if I chose to put on the red hat and take, you know, saying the party lines, I could easily be at CPAC. And that's not, that's not the ego. No, you would be the most welcome guest. Oh my God, a black podcaster. Bring him in. Right. You know, and it's the same way with Charlemagne the God on the other side. You see what I'm saying? Like, they look for these kind of people that they can package to push their message. But the problem is you have to take the packaged message that comes with it. It's like, here, you can talk about these things.

CHAPTER 08 / 38 Discussion

Jesse Neville and the Platform of Unity Through Reparations

White mayoral candidate Jesse Neville ran in St. Petersburg on a platform of "Unity Through Reparations" alongside the Uhuru movement. His campaign focused on fighting gentrification, real estate developers, and the "corporate elite" controlling City Hall. The hosts analyze his polished, "woke" messaging and its contrast with the African People's Socialist Party he represented.

jesse neville· st. petersburg· reparations· gentrification· corporate elite· mayoral candidate

26:10 And I actually had a, I don't want to, but we can move on, but I actually had a whole segment that I took out the potluck concerning this that I might use on a later date. Okay. But yeah, so now we got to go to Mr. Jesse Neville's because that's the guy that was running for mayor that was associated with the Huru movement. So let's go ahead and get into number seven. My name is Jesse Neville and I am a candidate for mayor of St. Petersburg, Florida. And I'm running on a platform of unity through reparations and economic development for the black community. And along with Aretha Achille Kenyon. He's black because I can't tell. He's not black. He's white. Very.

26:53 Reparations. And along with Aretha Akela Kenyon, who is running for District 6 City Council. Hey, man, what does very white mean? Hold on a second. What do you mean? You said very. He's white. Yeah, he's very white. What's very white? No, what I mean by is like it's the idea. He looks like a guy in a picture frame. No, seriously. I mean, like, you know, like when you buy a picture, they have that picture in there. Yeah. He looks like he's in the wallet. Right. He looks exactly to the hair. Everything's perfect. He's like Gavin Newsome. Manicure. Who? Gavin. No, no, he's more of a, not Gavin Newsome.

27:36 He's more of a. You know how, like, when a handsome guy puts glasses on to look smart? Yes. It's that kind of thing. You know what I'm saying? And then he plays the woke pocket. I mean, he's on point with his talking points. I mean, I got to give him his credit, but it's just so stark. You hear the Africans, Africans, People's Socialist Party, and he's the one, you know, running for mayor. It's just very stark comparison. So that's why I meant by very. Well, it's not actually translucent or anything. Let's start it over. My name is Jesse Neville, and I am a candidate for mayor of St. Petersburg, Florida. And I'm running on a platform of unity through reparations and economic development for the black community.

28:20 And along with Aretha Achille Kenyon, who is running for District 6 City Council on the same platform with the slogan, Radical Solutions for Radical Times, we have entered into the electoral arena to represent the interests of the people of the city and to represent the desire of the people of the city to fight back against the status quo. And we're not typical political candidates. We're not interested in waging a typical political campaign. Our campaign is a people's movement to take back this city from big money, from real estate developers, from gentrifiers, from corrupt politicians, and basically from the corporate elite who control City Hall right now and who control the elections and all the other politicians.

29:04 I hope you brought your tent in, Jesse. So all his talking points are on point. But there's one problem is that, and this is why I stress this, referring to as atonement, they have made, and it's been for a while, reparations, a dirty word. Who is the politicians or? Both sides of the political. Because the Democrats don't want to talk about it and the Republicans ain't going to think about it. So it's. Yeah, it's like Pluto. plutonium. It's not good. Crypto. It's like, oh, yeah, I can get behind. I could get behind anti-reparations. And some people might be thinking, like, well, y'all talk about racial reparations all the time.

CHAPTER 09 / 38 Discussion

Political Maturity and the Weaponization of Reparations

The concept of reparations is discussed as a tool for political leverage, similar to how amnesty or student loan forgiveness is used to secure specific voting blocks. The hosts argue that both major political parties have an interest in suppressing the idea of "getting something for your vote." They suggest that true political change must begin at the local level through school boards and city councils.

reparations· amnesty· student loans· voting blocks· political maturity· local government

29:46 I speak from it from the angle of this, it's great political tension, you know, as a way to bend a political party to your, you know, to your desired effect by withholding your vote for your demand. Just like you've seen how amnesty, you know what I'm saying? Everybody's like, amnesty would never happen. You know, that was the kind of thing like, it'll never happen. Look at the border now. Do you think this reparations talk still has impact? Does it still get people's attention? Do they think, or is it more like, yeah, okay, sure, brother. Yeah, we'll see. It's a huge problem for the Democrats still.

30:25 Right, but I'm thinking for Black America, when they hear reparations again, you know, I mean, are they still going for Lucy's football with this one? Well, not to speak for the whole group of anybody, but the way that the way that you work for you. Oh, that doesn't count. You're special. You're different. Right. I'm different. Okay. You're not tough. So the thing is, is this. The further this message travels and people start thinking like, I should get something for my vote. Right. It's not the actual reparations that's the problem. It's the when people start saying, hey, I should get something for my vote.

31:05 Yeah, the Quidditch. Very problematic. Yeah, that's a very problematic idea for people that's been getting something for nothing. Yes, instead of I'm voting for this party because it'll make America better. Now everyone's starting to figure out, nah, it's better just to vote for your own pocket. It's just like student loans. You see, it's the same thing. And that's kind of like when you start talking to people on both sides of the political spectrum, they start to clam up for the people that got something out of it. It's like, you know, the same people like big government needs to stay out of it.

31:46 But then, you know, that $20,000 drops off your loan. It's like, well, you know. So it's a huge problem for this message to spread because it starts getting people to think about becoming politically mature and getting something for something for your vote that you've been giving it away. So both sides have an interest in killing this idea in its womb. Because look at, like I said, once again, look at amnesty. It was talked about for 20 years. Like it's, that'll never happen. That'll never, you know, they'll never open. There it is. And it's chipping. And they just kept chipping away and chipping away and chipping away.

32:30 And boom, the border's blown wide open. Well, Moe, we never thought we'd have vaccine passports and mandates and lockdowns and curfews. And I think we've departed so far beyond that station that, you know, this current group of losership, leadership worldwide. They know how to do it now. Oh, we can make these people do anything. We can do anything. But honestly, I think they're losing their grabs. I think the people that's bought in buy further in, but you have a bunch of quote-unquote normies

33:09 that are waking up and like, whoa, like, oh, you know, I ain't getting, I'm not getting up for my vote. Or, hey, that, that's messed up or this messed up. Or are you pushing that agenda idea? So they don't want us. I think people don't know anymore what to do about it. They've lost faith in, I mean, I know what to do about it. You have to start at the local level. You have to go back to your city council and your school board. This is going to take rebuilding. This is not just, okay, now I'm going to get something for my vote and it's going to fix everything. We're busted, brother. We are busted. And now you see why these two kind of candidates are dangerous. Yep. Exactly. You just say you fixed the problem at the local level. They're running at the local level.

CHAPTER 10 / 38 Discussion

Aretha Achille Kenyan on Gentrification and Media Diversion

During her City Council run, Aretha Achille Kenyan argued that her reparations platform was the only defense against the gentrification of the Black community in St. Petersburg. She criticized the media for attempting to pivot the discussion toward LGBTQ issues to distract from the economic oppression caused by big developers. The hosts praise her ability to redirect the conversation while noting her socialist ties.

aretha achille kenyan· gentrification· lgbtq· st. petersburg· affordable housing· media

33:52 So that could be the reason why they're not. It's worth a fight. It's worth a fight. This is worth a fight then. Okay. I'm with you. All right. So let's go ahead now. And this is Akeli. This is when she was running for candidate for city council. And I want you to watch this trick that this reporter tried to play on her to pivot the message away from reparations and how she handles it. It's in two parts. Let's go and get the part one and eight. Number eight. You want to be the next District 7 council person? Well, I feel like my platform, Reparations and Economic Development to the Black Community, is the only platform in this entire race. that stands against the black community being gentrified out of existence in this city. The black people right now are under attack by the city government.

34:37 We're being pushed out by people, you know, gentrifiers, land developers, the politicians in office. They work for them. They're being funded by them. My opponents are being funded by these big developers. Rents are going up. Luxury apartments are being built everywhere. No genuine affordable housing. And reparations and economic development is the only genuinely progressive platform that speaks to social and economic justice for everyone in this city by ending the oppression of the black community. And if I don't do it, we don't do this right now. There won't be a black community in two years. Okay. I'm going to address the elephant in the room. Your opponent, Chico, he has made statements that he doesn't support the gay agenda, as he calls it, and he plans to make sure that taxpayers don't go to support gay-supported things.

35:22 If you think about all that, what'd he bring that in for? Where'd that come from? That's the pivot. Let's get you off that reparations. Let's start talking about some LGBT. LGBT. Yeah. Oh, okay. I'm telling you, this reparation thing, we've been, what? We've been on it for six years, right? I mean, as far as you've been watching what's going on in the 2016 election, and we start talking, you see it's picking up steam. And it's not the point of, I don't think anybody thinks, like, oh, if I don't get it, my life will be over. It's the point of, oh, you want to come talk to me about voting? This is what we want.

36:03 This is what we want. And when you get voters on a single message, whether it's guns, reproductive rights, I mean, every group has one kind of thing that drives them to the polls. Yeah, but we need a community organizer. If only we could find one. No, sir. So let's go ahead and get into part two and see how she handles this report. Yes. I'm going to address the elephant in the room. Your opponent. Interesting that he said, why is it the elephant in the room?

36:44 I don't know. I mean, I know all I have is this clip. I guess it was an ongoing thing. His comments being inflammatory. I'm going to get a good strong reporter to address it. Okay. Elephant in the room. Your opponent Chico. He's familiar. He has made statements that he doesn't support the gay agenda as he calls it. And he plans to make sure that taxpayers don't go to support gay-supported things. If you think about all that. Well, I want to redirect this discussion because I think that this whole thing about this non-factor candidate who hasn't raised any money in his campaign, he's not running a real campaign.

37:23 He's not the person I'm fighting against. In fact, as offensive as his remarks are, the reality is the elephant is in the room, the oppression of the black community. And the media is attempting to divert everyone's attention away to the real fight, which is the fight against these big developers, these gentrifiers that are pushing out the black community. They're trying to divide the people of the city by making the black community the face of anti-LGBTQIA. But that is not what this fight is about. This fight is with us and the big money politicians and the big money developers. And I won't even engage in a conversation about a non-factor when my real opponent, the incumbent, is the one that is responsible for opening up the door for these gentrifiers, for people like Carl Nurse, to come into my community and push us out.

38:04 That is the fight. That is what the people are talking about. Not this nonsense that the people, that the media is trying to tell people that is the problem. That is not the problem. That is not what I'm hearing when I'm going door to door talking to people. They're talking about the rents going up. They're talking about sewage in their water. That's what people are talking about. So if the media has their ear to the ground and is actually listening to the people, you would know what this fight is about. And it's not what this person is saying. Wow. All right. Impressive. Now you can see why the Russians were interested in her. Yeah. And she's easy on the eyes for the thirsty Facts family out there. Look her up. Look her up now. Yeah. So

38:46 she, she, I like how she said, I like to redirect the conversation and went right back to her talking points. Yeah. And like, nah, you're not going to knock me off my, you know, what I'm here for. Now, with that said, I will never get down with anything socialist. So that's where they lose me at because I don't, you know. Well, I'm pro-capitalism. Yeah, I think with a small C. But I think that the way civics has been taught. She looks nice. The way civics has been taught is, you know, this is new. This is not your daddy's socialism. This is new socialism. We were just social towards each other. You like social media, don't you? You're a socialist. I think that's really been pumped into a lot of people.

39:29 I don't think it just doesn't job with me. And I think there's a lot of people that think like me when you hear words like communist, Marxism, socialists. It's an instant no. So, with that said, I think that's where she loses a lot of people and why she probably didn't gain a lot of traction. But on the other hand, you can hear that she's polished in her messaging. So, I could see her being a very prized asset. Person, asset. Now, why wouldn't they want to use it? I was trying to avoid that because I had so many connotations with it. But, yeah, asset of the Russians. So, or alleged, let's be clear, alleged asset of the Russians.

CHAPTER 11 / 38 Discussion

Foreign Agent Registration and the New Red Scare

The FBI warns that foreign adversaries like Russia are meddling in the U.S. democratic process by using unregistered agents, a violation of the Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA). The hosts discuss the irony of the U.S. accusing others of election meddling given historical U.S. interference in Ukraine and other nations. They characterize the current climate as a "new Red Scare" targeting anyone with Russian ties.

fara· fbi· hillary clinton· putin· ngos· foreign agents

40:16 All right. So, now we got a where we at? We're 10. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Now we got to go back to the original report, and this is the fourth part. According to the indictment, the word reparations was part of alleged discussions between Ianov and another unindicted co-conspirator who appears to be former mayoral candidate Jesse Neville. I think all of us that believe in the democracy that is America ought to be concerned because if it's coming down to even the local level, then our entire democracy is at risk. The Uhuru House was one of three locations in St. Pete raided Friday by federal agents as they collect evidence for the current and possibly future indictments.

40:58 Today's action should serve as a deterrent to other foreign adversaries that the FBI will not tolerate meddling in our democratic process. The other political groups allegedly recruited by Ianov are in Georgia and California. The feds say what makes this alleged activity illegal is that no one involved was legally registered as a foreign agent. If convicted, Ianov faces up to five years in prison. There have been no other arrests, but the FBI collected a lot of evidence, so that certainly could change, Allie. It makes you wonder where else this could be going on and how much of it is going on. All right, Paley, thanks. Billy, how much of it is going on? It could be going on everywhere.

41:40 There's Russians under your bed. It's another red scare. Russians. Yeah. But they've been building on this since 2016. And it's a very, I noticed this dangerous slide into from the Russian government, aggression leadership to Russians. You know, it's every Russian. We talked about it on the show before. They're being harassed and, you know, just for being from Russia. Now, to be fair to all this, Russia basically kicked all of our non-governmental organizations, all of our NGOs out of Russia many years ago.

42:22 In fact, right after Hillary Clinton messed it all up with her great reset button. And because we're the kings of this. I don't say we, the United States, literally did this in 2014 all the way to Ukraine's parliament and the president. And we meddled in the elections. We did all kinds of horrible things. But we can do that. Yeah. Well, can we, though? I mean, it looks like we're starting to suck a little bit at it. Whereas the Russians, and indeed, and I believe Yuri, whatever his last name is, I believe Yuri is very sincere in saying, oh, no, we just started this in the schools. And it's here. It's been here for a while. We weren't seeing it. We weren't paying attention.

43:04 But this particular candidate, she's captured. I mean, she's real captured. I don't know if by Russia or whatever, but you just got to put it all together. I mean, look at the classic Marxist training of BLM Inc. Right. You look at this and like, well, you know, the Russians, they got a different way of doing it, but it's pretty effective. And they say, because I think, let me go back to an article right quick. Because you remember, our only answer to that was attacking, you even brought it up. Attacking the Russians in the home. Well, you know, Putin's doing this, but he's not taking care of you, not taking it, looking out for you in your COVID.

43:46 And that didn't work. Right. So, I mean, they try to demonize Putin, but I think Russia is on this whole national. I mean, this is breaking news. Russia is on this whole nationalist click kick down to the way they look at women. They're celebrating women for having multiple Russian children. You know, they're on this whole thing. And this guy, Alexander Ionov, he was, what was it? He ran the anti-globalization movement of Russia. Yeah. So. anti-globalism, you know, that's going to become a dirty word.

CHAPTER 12 / 38 Discussion

Uhuru House Response to FBI Property Damage

Following the FBI raid, members of the Uhuru House held a press conference to show property damage, including broken glass and doors torn from hinges. They denied the legitimacy of the indictment and claimed the investigation was an attack on the Black community rather than a matter of Russian interference. The hosts contrast the aggressive nature of this raid with the search of Melania Trump's closets.

uhuru house· fbi raid· property damage· 10 tampa bay· liz crawford· st. petersburg

44:25 Anti-globalism or globalism? He ran the anti-globalism movement of Russia. And he, one of the things they did was promote the California secession from the United States. So, but like I said, all the thing they need to do is agitate, and that's what she her is in her title. She's the director of the Department of Agitation and propaganda. So, but I used to say she was captured. So, I guess we need to hear more from her. And this is a week later after the raid, and she addresses the media. St. Petersburg, Florida, at the center of an FBI investigation, the U.S. Department of Justice is looking into the Russian government's alleged interference in U.S.

45:09 politics, including right here in our Bay Area. Last week, the FBI raided the Uhuru House, home to the African People's Socialist Party. The group has been a fixture in St. Pete for decades. Well, today, 10 Tampa Bay's Liz Crawford met with members of the group. They say the feds are after their movement and what they stand for, and it has nothing to do with Russia. A formal news conference on their terms in their building and a chance to tell their side of the story. They say it's about this thing with Russia, but it's not about this thing with Russia. According to the indictment, leaders with the African People's Socialist Party are accused of coordinating with Russian government officials over the last eight years.

45:52 Last week, FBI agents took over the Uhuru house located in South St. Pete. So far, no one with the organization has outright denied the allegations. We are not speaking to the issues within the indictment because we know that, first of all, it's illegitimate. Thursday, Uhuru members showed reporters property damage they say was caused by the feds. Broken glass, torn up wood. We saw similar damage upstairs. Leaders said doors were busted when FBI agents raided the building. Hmm. That's a real raid. Yeah, that's a little different than going through Melania's closets. Yeah. That's a raid. Yes, exactly. Broken glasses, doors knocked off hinges.

46:37 I wonder why the difference. Yeah, that's well, you know, it's that's fascism. That's what you do. You scare your political opponents, and even though these people have probably done nothing really directly, they're just involved. The whole thing is like, yo, political, what is it? Political meddling. What is the charge here? It's not much of a charge. It's like, ah, okay. What are you actually charging this guy with? Let me see. Where is it? They're cooperating with Russian officials. I think that's government officials. Yeah, so that would be a FARA violation. And they weren't, I guess the Russian officials were enlisted as foreign agents.

47:19 We're not listed as foreign agents. Yeah, we're not. So that prohibits you from speaking with him. Correct. I don't know how that works. I mean, no, no, it's an anti-half the people in Washington, D.C. do not have FARA registration, but they should. So it's just one of those perfect tools. Okay, let's go ahead and pick up with part two of this clip, number 12. They're trying to put together this case that is not fair against our party, against our movement, and against the black community. A former FBI special agent in charge told 10 Tampa Bay the Russians look for groups willing to spread their message. They don't really care what party is in power, you know, what political party is in power here.

48:02 This is all about weakening the United States, whether it's pitting Democrats against Republicans or rich against poor or workers against management. It doesn't matter. Preying on the United States through divided states of mind. Literally trying to undermine the this was really interesting from a media deconstruction perspective. So he's saying something and they felt it's so necessary for you, viewer idiot, that we're going to insert this bit to tell you what the guy is actually saying. Management, it doesn't matter. Preying on the United States through divided states of mind. And that is our interpretation, of course. Literally trying to undermine the

48:48 confidence, the trust, the unity that exists in the nation. And they'll do it in a lot of different ways. And this example is just one of the many ways in which they will do that. And this was the FBI speaking? Yes. Okay. How is it, though, socialists are being raided under a Democrat president? I mean, because obviously. they're, you know, they're is this something local? Well, yes, yeah, that was just exactly what I was going to say. You, you said it earlier. What's up with the Florida FBI? Well, maybe whoever runs money runs runs stuff.

49:29 You know, this is, it's all political. Uh, Gillam was political, right? This is political. So, who knows? It's, it's, it sounds this sounds a lot more local, but it could be very important. Is this a big county? Is it a big city? Is it there's something about it? Um, they're afraid it could ignite more, or do you need the numbers? So, when you say, Oh, we found through our investigations, we found so-and-so number of Russian agents. Well, that was no headline. That sounded good. I mean, that's why immediately I'm like, What is this bull crap? Russian disinformation. Okay. So, that's what really made me start thinking: is like, is you know, are these rogue?

50:14 Like you said, is it blue flat faction, then red faction, then down this Florida FBI, or is it I think that's very possible, Mo. I think that's totally possible. You know, Florida's red, so we go after blue. And why wouldn't the feds down there be blue? I'd be red. And let's not forget, this is where woke goes to die. You don't get any woker than you're saying, Russian. Yeah, not much. That's about the pinnacle. You can't go beyond unless you got a P-tape or something. Then, then you might do a little better. So, yeah, that's why I want to pick up on just the whole politics of it and why it is, you know, why is this happening? So, let's go ahead. They brought up another point that the

CHAPTER 13 / 38 Discussion

Anniversary of Tyron Lewis and St. Petersburg Riots

The 25th anniversary of the death of Tyron Lewis, an unarmed Black teenager killed by police in 1996, serves as a backdrop for the Uhuru movement's long-standing presence in St. Petersburg. The original shooting sparked days of rioting and fires in the city. The hosts reflect on how these historical cycles of unrest are amplified by modern social media compared to the early internet era of the 1990s.

tyron lewis· st. petersburg· 1996· police shooting· riots· reparations

51:00 Huru Ruhu house has a history. So, now we have to go back 25 plus years. I think it's more, but it's 25 years from this report. And there was a I'm not going to give it away. Listen to the similarities that may have happened in 2020 and what happened 25 years ago from this report. 25 years to the day at the exact intersection where he lost his life. People gathered to remember Tyron Lewis. I can't even imagine how my brother would look right now, or what he would be doing, or how many kids he would have right now. 25 years of pain, anger, sorrow, frustration, everything.

51:45 In 1996, Tyron was stopped by police at the intersection of 18th Avenue South and 16th Street. A white officer shot and killed the unarmed 18-year-old inside his car. The death splintered the area, the city on the verge of chaos. The unrest went on for days with rioting, rock throwing, and fires, putting St. Pete in the national spotlight. The anger and violence erupting again when the shooting was ruled justified and the officers cleared. To show black people that we didn't forget and show the city we didn't forget. On this tragic anniversary, Tyron's family and members of the International People's Democratic Uh movement came together to honor the team's memory and to continue to organize for change.

52:30 He would have been 43 years old if he had lived to see that. He didn't live to see it, but he was a martyr that now we can take his name to forward progress for black people and fight for progress for black people. The group has spent years trying to push the city to recognize Tyron's death and pay reparations. Long live Tyron Lewis! Reparations Day! They hope their continued calls for justice will save lives and bring about real change in the community. Catherine Hawley, Fox 13 News. Just hit me that just an odd coincidence that St. Petersburg, Florida. Of course, we have St.

53:14 Petersburg. I was waiting for that. I was waiting for you to pick up on that. Yeah. Tyron Lewis, he was a, it was in 1996 when this happened. Kind of like a pre-George Floyd. Yeah. I don't remember this at all. You remember this actually? I don't. I don't. I mean, this is just telling you how a city can riot for days and it just gets wormholded. It gets memory hold. I mean, so. But that was also kind of the early days of internet, social media, et cetera.

53:55 So, you know, you've got to take that into account. 96. But 96 was a hotbed of race. You know, with OJ coming off of the Rodney King thing. It's so weird, Mo, because that was. was kind of the height of two of my careers. Kind of at the pinnacle of, you know, MTV got out in the end of 93. Started my, you know, I had my radio thing going. Then I started with the internet stuff, took my company public in 1996, was in, you know, was around, you know, but it didn't register the same to me as it does now that I'm really paying attention, which says a couple of things.

54:37 Do you know what I mean? Well, the main thing is, like you said, the internet amplifies this stuff, which when you add that to what we're discussing, yeah, it's the problem with everything, but it's also, if we are smart, it could be our way out of a lot of the problems. Yeah. Once you start paying attention, like we do on this show and start seeing cycles, if you realize it's a cycle or a habit, then you can break it. Okay, let's stop this. Helps if there's more than one of you, for sure. Yeah. So let's see. That was the past of the Uhuru house. And one of the claims they made, I heard a clip that I didn't use.

CHAPTER 14 / 38 Discussion

Flamethrower Attack on the Uhuru House Flag

In July 2022, a man identified as Kenny Raymond was caught on video using a military-grade flamethrower to burn the Pan-African flag outside the Uhuru House. Despite the nature of the attack, Raymond was only charged with criminal mischief. The hosts find the event suspicious, noting it occurred just weeks before the federal raid on the same building.

flamethrower· kenny raymond· uhuru house· pan-african flag· st. petersburg· criminal mischief

55:17 They said they used every ounce of teardrop they had in St. Petersburg on the Uruhu house. Because that was like ground zero of the protest and riots. Tear gas. Tear gas, yes. Yeah. Yeah. Every ounce. So doesn't surprise me. So fast forward, we have some events that happened prior to the raid this odd to say the least, 14. Well, developing tonight, St. Pete police are investigating a fire at the Uhuru house after someone was seen on video burning things with a flamethrower. You can see that person in the corner of your screen there. Police say a flagpole and some palm trees were set on fire.

56:01 No one was hurt. Right now, police have not identified anyone involved. Was it an Elon Musk flamethrower or a real flamethrower? It was a military grade, quote-unquote, military-grade flamethrower. That's the report. Did you see it? Did you see this thing? I got to see this thing. Well, they had video. You probably can see if you copy one of the titles of this next clip. We stopped at 14. So, well, they found the guy that would, you know, that would burn an African flag in front of the Pan-African Uruhu house. 15. First in St. Pete, a man is now in custody after officers say he used a flamethrower.

56:43 You see that on the right side of your screen right there to burn an African flag. This was at the Yohuru house over the weekend. Kenny Raymond from Tampa has been charged with criminal mischief. I got to see this thing. They say it's here. I want to see this flamethrower. Oh, only problem is. Oh, shoot. Oh, shoot. This thing does look military gray. Oh, man. Can you see Kenny? Yeah, I can. Holy crap. Kenny happens to be a so-called black person.

57:19 Okay, I can't really see him. Yes, okay. Why would a so-called black person be burning an African flag a week before the FBI raids? Doesn't seem like something you'd do. And that's all he does. He gets out, gets a flamethrower, blasts the flag, and puts it back in his car and leaves. Strange. So now we have Omali Yeshitelli. I think that's how you pronounce it. He is the chairman of the African People's Socialist Party. And he's on Democracy Now. So this guy, this guy, national

CHAPTER 15 / 38 Discussion

Omali Yeshitela on FBI Tactics and Political Targeting

Omali Yeshitela, chairman of the African People's Socialist Party, describes the FBI's use of flashbang grenades and drones during raids on his properties in St. Louis and St. Petersburg. He characterizes the flamethrower incident as a "test run" for the subsequent federal intervention. The hosts discuss whether the lack of hate crime charges in the flag-burning incident indicates a double standard in the justice system.

omali yeshitela· democracy now· fbi· flashbang grenades· st. louis· african people's socialist party

58:03 appeal, the story did. This is a bit of a long clip. So you can stop it wherever you want to. He has a storied past with quote-unquote black rights in that area. So let's go ahead and listen to him talk to Democracy Now about this raid and the prior event to the raid. Because we turned to look at the FBI raiding several properties in late July in St. Louis, Missouri and St. Petersburg, Florida, tied to the African People's Socialist Party, which leads the Uhuru movement. The Pan-Africanist group has been a longtime advocate for reparations for slavery, a vocal critic of U.S.

58:45 foreign policy. The raids came as the Justice Department indicted a Russian man living overseas named Alexander Yanov using U.S.-based groups to spread Russian propaganda. The groups were not named in the indictment, but reportedly include the African people. People's Socialist Party. One of the FBI raids targeted the home of Amali Eshatella, the founder of the African People's Socialist Party. He accused the FBI of targeting his group for their political work. He's joining us now from St. Louis. Can you, though, go back to the end of July and talk about what happened?

59:24 Talk about that day of the raid. Where were you? They had already knocked out the windows in the house, in my house. They had knocked the door, some doors loose from the hinges. They had come through the back stair. Well, as I mentioned, they used flashbang grenades in the rear of my house, plaster all over everything. And in St. Petersburg, Florida, 27 days after they had done what appears to us now to have been a test run on July 2nd with someone pulling into the parking lot in broad daylight and from his trunk, a trunk, car trunk, pulling

1:00:04 a military-grade flamethrower to torch the 15 by 25-foot red, black, and green flag that was on this 50-foot flagpole. And this had occurred. FBI, Homeland Security, local police came out. They refused to charge the guy with anything except some kind of misdemeanor mischief. Dude, even owning that thing is a problem. You can't have a flamethrower. Oh, yes, you can. Don't you have to have some kind of. I don't know, but I know. Pay some stamp duties. I've heard. I mean, I've used one. I've used one. But I've heard people where you can buy them openly.

1:00:51 You can buy a lot of things openly. No, I mean, like, our own reputable websites, they have them for sale. But they only charge him with. Yeah, that's bullcrap. Something's up with that. Something's up with that. But the whole thing, he just gets out, torches it, gets back in. That's not arson. That's some other type of provocation. And how is that not a hate crime? Totally. And can a black person create a hate crime against another black person? No, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. That's impossible. No, no, I don't think that's possible. I don't know. I don't think so. It's strange. I mean, I just, I found it to be a strange, fascinating story.

1:01:36 That's why I brought it. Well, you and the facts family. Yeah, go ahead. Did Juicy Mole did was that was that deemed a of course it was nothing but was there ever a charge of a hate crime? No. Yeah, I don't think a reason why I asked that question because you're thinking from that side, but I'm thinking more of if you say a quote-unquote person is a white supremacist sympathizer and he acts on their behalf of white supremacy, quote unquote, the way they use the term. You know, everybody that's black, this MAGA is basically a white supremacist sympathizer now.

1:02:23 Could that be seen as a, hey, I just a pot randomly do a potlook to a lot of thought series. I don't know. I mean, we'd have to have a real world example. I don't know. It would be very confusing for everybody. This would be a great example because he targeted that house by the choice of his target, the flag. Yeah. So, I mean, I think your answer is clear. It's like, go home. No fine, no fine, no penalty. You're done. So your answer is no. It's not deemed a hate crime. Very fascinating story. I thought, you know, that would be a great first block to the show. I had no idea that it happened. I didn't, I mean, a lot of it sounds familiar in how it's operating.

1:03:05 Good to keep our eye on. I appreciate it. It's a good one. All right. First part of our block, our first block of the potluck. I guess now we got to thank the people that make it happen. First, the white man and the black man have to be able to sit down at the same table. The white man has to feel free to speak his mind without hurting the feelings of that Negro. And the so-called Negro has to feel free to speak his mind without hurting the feelings of the white man. Then they can bring the issues that are under the rug out on top of the table and take an intelligent approach to get the problem solved. That's the only way that they'll ever do it. Well, that's right. Mo Facts with Adam. I'm Curry, a value for value podcast. You have been continuing to send the value.

CHAPTER 16 / 38 Discussion

Value for Value: Executive Producer Credits and Donations

Adam Curry and Mo Facts thank their executive producers for their financial support under the "Value for Value" model. Major donors include Matthew Messer ($500), Seth Peterson, and Benjamin Naidus, who donated $198.70 in honor of the year RoboCop was released. The hosts also discuss the technicalities of "boostergrams" and Satoshi donations via new podcast apps.

value for value· matthew messer· seth peterson· fountain app· satoshis· executive producers

1:03:45 It continues to come in every single day as you're listening with one of those modern podcast apps, which you can find at newpodcastapps.com. If you're just getting started, want to figure it out, you can actually earn as you mess around with the fountain app. That's a good one. But the value for value principle is so much bigger. It's time, talent, treasure. It's how we interact with one another as people who create the program. And we really do it all together as producers. There is lots of information, thought, thinking, emails, tons of stuff that you guys send in. And of course, the treasure, which is incredibly important. We'd like to thank our executive and associate executive producers in this first block.

1:04:25 And it's been very nice to see that Matthew Messer came in with $500 thanking us for the valuable insights. He is Sir Dude named Matt. And Matt, thank you so much, man. No other names. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. And not only is he Sir Dude named Matt, he's big baller. He is indeed the big dude named Paula. Shot Carla, 20 inch blades on the M Paula. You are right. This is the Big Ballerb thing has been hijacked by Podcasting 2.0. I just hope you know. Like everyone's using it. I hear it everywhere. And I was like, oh, well, there you go. It got out of hand. No, it didn't. No, this is what you contribute to the lexicon.

1:05:06 That's right. I track that as a bag of honor. It is a bag of honor. Thank you very much, Sir Dude named Matt. Seth Peterson, 273, and says here for the excellent research and discussions on episode 85. You read an email, which I sent after episode 84. I did not send it intending for it to be read during the show. It was meant to be some potentially new source material for Mo and a statement of appreciation for what you two have been doing. Okay. So what he then says is, don't read all this. If you need to read something, read this. Okay, that's exactly how we got in trouble the first time. This is a thank you for what you two are doing.

1:05:45 Keep up the good work and God bless Seth P. And the 273 is important because he sent a dollar per word for it from the last message. Oh, long ago. That's why I included that in there. That's funny. I like that. Well, thank you very much, Seth. Seth P. Much appreciated. We appreciate it. 247 from Zoe Hannan and just says, thank you, Mo and Adam. Always look forward to a new episode. Thank you very much, Zoe. Appreciate it. Benjamin Naidus. Oh, I know this, Benjamin. Donation is for 1987, and it is $198.70. The year RoboCop came out.

1:06:27 Yes, Mo Facts with Adam Curry favorite. I realized after a toot on NA Social and having had a new Detroit meetup this past weekend that I had derived more value than I realized from the third wave episode. I was feeling all icky. I didn't want to feel like a deadbeat. Please read if time permits. Not only that, but just for good measure, we're going to de-deadbeat you. Congratulations. You're no longer a deadbeat. You might not have needed it, but might. And I have his post here. I'll read it right quick. It says, regarding RoboCop, hashtag New Detroit and OCP, a transnational corporation, quote, globalist entity providing a private police force.

1:07:09 Please re-listen to the third wave MoFax with Adam Curry episode. Show notes and clips are a vertical treasure trove. Okay. So what episode was that? Do you remember? That was the one where we're talking about the police state. No, I know, I know. But what number was it? What episode? That was 41. Sorry about that. Okay. Yeah. So 41. Thanks, Ben. Caleb Michelson, $100. No note, but we appreciate it. Judy Schwartz, $100. Y'all did it again. Thank you for the evolution show. That was a good one. That was a good one. That ruffled a lot of feathers. No, I lied. No, I think it was good. Everyone got a jolt out of it.

1:07:50 Good. That's the point. Yeah. Michael Kemmerer comes in with our show donation amount, 86. Thank you. You nailed it. You get your special spot for that, Michael. William Cameron, associate executive producership, $50. Keep up the good work, gents. Having a place to learn from both of you through your brilliance is immeasurably helpful. That's very kind of you. Kyle Mann, 50. We appreciate that. And Douglas Mook, what does he say? All I got is Overman. Great episode. Yeah, that was the Overman. Oh, The Overman. Oh, yes, yes, yes. And also $50. And I think that does it for our executive and associate executive producers.

1:08:31 We do have a few more to thank later on. I would like to thank some of the people who sent us booster grams with the new podcast app. We have Gene Everett, 100,000 sats. My first time sending value to Mo Facts with Adam Curry. We'll be adding value again soon. Can't say enough how great these conversations are, not only informing, but frankly, I believe decades from now, this content will be just as important. as important as next generation's listen back for the real story. Such a great job. Job by both of you. Thank you. Harve Hat, Mo Facts, certified misinformation free by me, he says, with 86,000 sats. Show donation there. Cool one. We'll put that in Harvat. Bully Steed. Wait, let me ask the question.

1:09:14 Does that count as a show? Well, it's 86,000. So, Matt, I want to be clear. Do you have to actually do the translation over to the $86 if you're going to send a boost? That's a good question. I just want a lot of questions today. You don't need an answer right now, but maybe we need to let the people decide. Like, how does that work? $86.86,000 Satoshi's definitely not the same value monetary value. Needs to be discussed. I agree. Thank you for stopping. We'll think about that. Okay. Thanks anyway, Harv Hat.

1:09:51 We appreciate it. Bully Steed, $60,000. Mo, thank you for paying attention to everything. Adam, thank you for paying attention to Mo, who is paying attention to everything. Blessings to you both. Harve Hat back again with 51,500. Fantastic content, he says. Starship Alves, always an interesting, informative, and entertaining listen. Sir Wags with a 33,033. Thank you for your courage. We've got 20,420. I see you, Scott. Keep going. Thank you very much. Dave Ackerman, 8,008. Value for value for episode 85. Four sevens, the striper boost from Timmy, 2383.

1:10:33 God bless you both. And then we get down to, we only read above 1,000 Satoshis. Brian Glass, I think, 55.55. Boosting to supplement the cuck bucks I sent. High five. Thank you. We have big fans in Hawaii, says one in Alini, one with 3333. Sho Baraka, says Ezeli, and Esseli also with another 2,000 sats. Got to have enough MAMs for the next NAM. Mo and Adam, you've opened my eyes on so many topics. Thank you. That is Sarzo winding it up with 1,000 Satoshis. It's very easy to do. Get one of those new podcast apps at newpodcastapps.com. And you can be supporting us with value in real time as you listen.

1:11:16 It doesn't get any fairer than that. Of course, we love your PayPal. We love your emails. We love all the messages you send us. And whenever you're doing these boostograms, clearly we read them all. It's a great way to support us. It's highly appreciated. And it does keep the engines running. So thank you for supporting and bringing it for MoFax with Adam Curry, episode number 86. All right. So we're jumping into the B-Block. All right. B-Block. We're going to start with a throwback clip from Show 67, Q-Hopium. And the only thing I can say to sum this clip up is Land Back. Hello, Antifa. It's me, Ghazi, the commander-in-chief of the Black Hammer Organization. Land Back.

CHAPTER 17 / 38 Discussion

Ghazi and the Black Hammer Party's Pro-Russia Rally

Ghazi, the leader of the Black Hammer Party, appeared in front of the CNN building in Atlanta holding a large Russian flag to celebrate "Victory Day." He expressed unity with Russia against the United States, labeling Ukraine a "Nazi racist country" created by the U.S. The hosts analyze the confusing ideological mix of anti-vaccine, anti-Biden, and pro-Russian sentiments expressed by the group.

ghazi· black hammer party· atlanta· cnn· victory day· russian flag

1:12:00 Land back. Land back. Land back. I heard you had some not-so-nice things to say about me. I heard you had some nice things to say about my hammers. I heard you had not-so-nice things to do for one of my members. One of my dear, dear members. An African Filipino mother that you doxed and thought you could get away with it. Thought we were going to back down. Thought we were going to take it. That's not going to happen. You messed with the wrong one this time. Yes.

1:12:42 Oh, yes, you did. Oh, yes, you did. Because we don't take it lightly when harm is done to our African colonized women. And that's why at Black Hammer, we say, touch one, touch all. Touch one, touch all. Touch one. Touch all. Touch one, touch all. Touch one, touch all. And you touched one of us. So now you touched all of us. And we're going to have to do something about it. Claire back.

1:13:24 Oh, man. I forgot about this. Black Hammer Party. Yeah. Yes, Black Hammer Party. I think that's Ghazi is his name. Well, Ghazi popped back up into the news. Oh, boy. And before we get into exactly what he popped back in the news for, we got to do a little coverage of what he was doing after we covered this show. So these next two clips come from him. from him at a rally in front of CNN building. He got a huge Russian flag. I'm talking about a big Russian flag. And he goes on this tirade across these two clips. Let's just go ahead and hop into number 19.

1:14:06 Land back from Atlanta, Georgia, the center of the Clinton News Network. Yes, or the CIA News Network. Or the Columbia Colonial News Network. We are here in Atlanta, Georgia, celebrating Victory Day and Mother's Day. Mother's Day today, Victory Day tomorrow in unity with the Russians who are fighting against the United States of America. They are hiding behind Ukraine, a country that the United States of America created, a Nazi racist country. You understand? And tomorrow, Victory Day is a Victory Day because it represents the day that Russia,

1:14:49 the USSR, defeated the Nazis. And we are anti-thazis, are we not? We are. We are anti-white power. Are we not? We are anti-this slave America. Are we not? America is a parasite of a country, is it not? Yes, it is. It was built on the slavery of Africans and the murder of indigenous people. And it is kept healthy out of the bombing and droning over our lands around the world over this mass imprisonment of black and brown people. Hey, you know, this is great. Listening to this and our A-block, you know, this is probably legit Russia.

1:15:33 I think you're right. I mean, this is clearly not the Democrat Party, even though some of the messages may agree. The message should not be spouted in front of CNN with a Russian flag. And we all know the Democrats is anti-Russian. That's the weird thing. Like, they're pro-socialist and socialism. And, you know, that political mindset, but they're anti-Russia. They're anti-I think it's really globalist versus anti-globalist. Right. Which was Alexander's name of his group, literally. Yes. You're right. So I've just found this strange that he popped back up in the news.

1:16:15 Let's go ahead and get to the second clip of his Victory Day speech. And CNN has a lot to do with that because it is a propaganda tool. The biggest propaganda tool of the United States of America. This is the thing. It's like, yeah, I agree with you. I agree with you. I agree with you. I agree with you. I agree with you. Oh, okay. No, I got to stop. They got to stop this. Fake news lies. Say fake news. Fake news. They lied about the vaccine. Did they not? Yes, they did. They lied about the vaccine. See, right that right there proves this is not Republican or Democrat that lied about the vaccine. Trump hasn't walked that back yet. A lot of people waiting for that, Mo.

1:16:56 It ain't going to happen. I don't think so either. I don't think so either. Did they not? Yes, they did. They lied about the economy. Did they not? Yes, they did. Joe Biden promised a lot to black people and hasn't given nothing. Ain't that lunch? Yes, they did. And I believe that they should steal that election. I believe that they should steal that election. Wow. Oh, this is so confusing. Now, maybe Russia was influencing Donald Trump. I'm so confused. Exactly. I'm not saying that he did. I'm just saying this. The confusion. When you hear this message, all these messages, it blurs a lot of like, what do I really? Who am I? Who side am I on? Who? Whoa. You know what I'm saying? Like, well, this, this is clearly, I mean, it's all Russia.

1:17:40 I mean, this is really Russian talking points. Although I believe most of them are true. Yes, the United States did create Ukraine 2014. Totally. The vaccine, the election, we had that discussion. We probably created the damn COVID virus in the first place and then shipped it off to China and then they blew it. Yeah. All right. I don't find any issues with what you're saying. Thank you. All right. 21. Hold on, wait. So now, fast forward from this speech, he pops up. This is when he popped up on my radar again. Yeah, 21.

CHAPTER 18 / 38 Discussion

SWAT Standoff and Kidnapping Charges Against Black Hammer

Augustus Romaine, known as Ghazi, and Xavier Russian were arrested following a SWAT standoff in Fayetteville, Georgia. The arrests involved charges of kidnapping, aggravated assault, and criminal street gang activity after an 18-year-old man was found dead in the home from an apparent self-inflicted gunshot wound. The hosts discuss the group's alleged alliance with the Proud Boys and the disturbing nature of the criminal warrants.

ghazi· augustus romaine· fayetteville· swat· kidnapping· aggravated sodomy

1:18:21 Developing tonight, we have now confirmed that two men arrested in a Fayetteville SWAT standoff have ties to a group some are calling extremists. Kind of a twist to this story. Black Hammer members openly say they have an alliance with the Proud Boys, which the SPLC, the Southern Poverty Law Center, has classified as a hate group. Don White's been digging deeper into the Fayetteville connection. Oh, oh. hold on a second. This is phony baloney. Okay, I get it. These are a bunch of LARPing actors. Which one? This Black Hammer. Black Hammer is full of crap. That was the original question that we had before on the previous show.

1:19:03 67. What did we just say? We didn't. Because we ended the show. It's like, we don't know what we just witnessed. Is it LARPing? Is it real? It's good. It's well done. It's really well done. Because I'm like, this sounds, I mean, oh, we got a thing with the Proud Boys. Okay, so this is now the crazy Black Trumpers, I guess. Or, you know, more Russia. Be afraid of Russia. Go ahead. And it aligns with what you were talking about with these groups, podcast groups, looking for talent. It's like, let me find the talent, and then I can give you how I'll present it.

1:19:45 Like, Akeli, she's very talented. Ghazi, he's very entertaining in a funny type way. Yeah. And it's just media, Mo. It's just media, different versions. But media becomes mal and misinformation. Well, of course. When you label it that way. So did you play the whole clip? No, no, no. No, no. I had to stop it. We could just stop it. We're going. We continue now. A captain here at the Fayetteville Police Department confirmed both suspects are part of the Black Hammer Party. That's a controversial group formed in Atlanta in 2019.

1:20:25 The normally quiet woodbine subdivision. Lined with yellow crime scene tape in police cars on Tuesday during a SWAT standoff. We've had our commander-in-chief, Commander Gazikozo, arrested, as well as our chief of agitation propaganda, Colonel Kino. Today we confirm one of the people arrested and charged in that standoff is the leader of the Black Hammer Party. He goes by Ghazi Kozo, but his real name is Augustus Romaine. A spokesperson for the Black Hammer Party told us today they don't mind being called an extremist group. If we take that with pride, we take that label with pride because that means we're standing in line with those in history who have stood against evil and stood against oppressive systems.

1:21:08 Oh, no, man. They got a bonus if they would be called that. That's what's going on here. I don't think they are either that or they're supremely ignorant in saying I take pride in being called in the street. I don't think you understand what special features that unlocks in the justice system. Like, oh, yeah? Extremists? Yeah, you don't want to. Let me get the other book. You don't really want that. So I guess we didn't get into what they did as far as the crime. Let's get into the second part of this clip: 22. Fayetteville police responding to the subdivision Tuesday after receiving a 911 call from someone saying they were being held hostage. When police went into the home, they discovered an 18-year-old man's body. They say it appears he may have shot himself in the head.

1:21:54 We've confirmed Romaine and Xavier Russian are facing numerous charges in connection to the young man's death, including aggravated assault, kidnapping, and criminal street gang activity. This isn't the Black Hammer Party's first run-in with the police. We're going to fight these charges. The way I understand this story is they were holding the 18-year-old hostage, and he ends up killing himself. Yeah, that's what it sounded like. I don't know how that works. I mean, a kidnapped victim killing themselves. But it's like I said, it's just weird that this popped up.

1:22:37 This is kind of like what you get on the plot. It's not like no ready-made answers. I get it. I get it. But this is fascinating. And so, and the and the Black Hammer was also, of course, implicated in involvement with, what's his face? The Russian. What's his name? Alexander. Is that that Georgia group? Yeah. Yeah. Right. See what I'm saying? Yeah, he's the Georgian. I couldn't find out who was in St. Louis, but this is the Georgia wing. So that he was dealing with. I just find it weird that a dead body pops up

CHAPTER 19 / 38 Discussion

Patriot Front and Controlled Opposition Theories

The hosts briefly discuss the "Patriot Front" and other groups they suspect of being "phony baloney" or "LARPing" actors. They reference the incident where Patriot Front members were detained in a U-Haul van, suggesting these organizations may be state-sponsored controlled opposition used to target American citizens.

patriot front· larping· controlled opposition· u-haul· federal agents

1:23:18 in their house and they get arrested for it. Is this cleanup? You know, is it time to get rid of? Could be. Could be. I mean, this is recent, though, right? This is this all went down. Yeah. That's crazy. I hadn't heard. All right. So I think we should go ahead. No, I hadn't heard any of this. It's irritating. This is great stories. I love this. All right. So now we get more. This is 22B, and they go in more detail of what the crimes were. We have new information tonight following a SWAT standoff in Fayetteville. In the last few hours, 11 Alive just obtained the arrest warrants for Augustus Romaine.

1:23:59 He's the alleged leader of the Black Hammer Party, a controversial group formed in Atlanta in 2019. He's facing several charges tonight, including kidnapping and aggravated sodomy. In the warrants, police say Romaine and another man, Xavier Russian, forced two victims at gunpoint to leave the common area of the house and lock them into a garage. Then they allegedly forced the two men to stay in the garage while Romaine attacked them. Romaine and Russian are both expected to be in court next August 16th. Hmm. They got some cool anti-Semitic stuff that they threw in here. Calling Ann Frank a whiny Karen. All right.

1:24:44 But I just find interesting that they're raping these two people, but the guy kills himself. Well, they didn't really say that, but aggravated. Sodomy. I mean, like, and I mean, that could be, you know, interpreted in a bunch of different ways, but aggravated sodomy, and the guy like kills himself, or did they shoot him? I could never get a clip. This is the best clips I found on the subject, and nobody really explains who the young men were. Was this kind of like a Ed Buck kind of situation?

1:25:25 I don't see any further follow-up stories that I can find. Nextly, but I just wanted to touch on these are great, kind of like stories that we talked about it previously. Yeah. You know, one was the Russians, you know, saying involvement. Once again, this is Russian involvement, but this is somebody we talked about. And we made it very clear we don't know if they're legit or if they're, you know, control opposition. And for the story to end like this, I just found it, you know, something I wanted to share with you and the fast family. I think it's beautiful. I need to keep my eye on groups like this. This is fantastic. It's like it's like a whole subplot.

1:26:05 And I'm going to say two words. I didn't mean to cut you off, but I'm going to say two words that since you said keep your eye on something. Patriot Front. Just keep your eye on them. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we got a file. Open up on them. Yeah. These guys seem pretty phony baloney. These are the guys that were in the van. They were just in the U-Haul. Uh-huh. Okay. Yeah. Well, so there you go. What we do for real in other countries, we LARP around ourselves here against our own people. It's crazy. It's crazy. I like brand new money. I just, I don't want any money around me. It's not. I'd almost rather have a new one than an old 20.

CHAPTER 20 / 38 Discussion

Darwinism, Eugenics, and Listener Feedback on Race

The hosts address listener pushback regarding their previous discussion on Charles Darwin and the full title of "On the Origin of Species." They debate whether Darwin's theories on the "preservation of favoured races" were inherently racist or merely observations of his time. The segment explores how Darwin's work influenced later eugenics movements and the modern interpretation of his quotes.

charles darwin· eugenics· origins of species· racism· marxism· listener feedback

1:26:48 That's kind of dumb. But there's something about new money that excites you. You like $100 bills? Oh, yeah. I like old money too. Oh, most beautiful thing on earth is a $100 bill. I haven't seen a woman as good looking as $100 bill. There's something about $100 bill that excites you. We are just blasting through the show today. This is great. Of course, we have our third and final block coming up, which seems to be quite sizable. It's a little longer, yeah. So thanking some more of our producers who came in. We do want to recognize Cameron Rose with 45. Let's see what Cameron says. Mo, thank you for another great episode. I knew you'd rise to the occasion. I really appreciate you bringing more information about the evils of eugenics to your producers. Yes, this was very good.

1:27:32 First of all, pushback was about the slandering of Darwin merely on the basis of the full title of Origins. We got a lot of pushback on this. This was simply and demonstrably false. Just read the book because some people misunderstand his work as no excuse to tar him with the same brush. Words matter. Well, I read the title of the book, and that's where it came from. But yeah, so you can't judge a book by its title. Would that be fair to say? In fairness, I did follow up with his other work that had very clear racist, you know, genocide.

1:28:09 Yeah. Yeah, genocidal tone. So, I mean, we can't please everybody. So, words matter, and we do ourselves a disservice when we debase them as the Marxists do. No, yeah, okay. Yes, you've made your point. I think we question everything, and we're not jihadist about it. As to your question, Mo, and your quote from Dissent, you are correct. He is using the word race in the modern sense, but let me rewrite the quote for the modern age. ear: quote: Hundreds of years into the future, Europeans will almost certainly have killed, interbred, or culturally absorbed the Paleolithic people of the world. He doesn't advocate or delight in that statement. He just notes it as the inevitable conclusion of his own theories and observations, given the behaviors of the European.

1:28:53 Okay. So I think what we're all saying here is he meant exactly what he wrote on the title doesn't mean he was a racist. That seems like what we're trying to get to here. Does that make sense? I can see how they can see that, but I would push back since they push back against me and say that you say words matter and then you reshape his quote for the modern ear. Exactly. That was beautiful. But I love you, Cameron. I love you. Oh, no. And of course, back in the day, the racism was not even considered racist, which is what it was. It's just how you talk, how you were, how you acted. We've come a long way.

1:29:33 And in all fairness, we can't look at it through this. I understand their point. It's not missed on the camera. They say it's very dangerous to look at words through the lens of today. Yeah, always. But my basis is that, as you said, that he was, you know, it shaped his thinking, and his thinking shaped a lot of other people after him. Now, did they misuse or weaponize his ideas? Possibly before and after him. Before and after him. Before and after him. Of course. Of course. Great note, though. Yes, appreciate it. But, you know, for sure,

CHAPTER 21 / 38 Discussion

Netflix Algorithms and Racial Assumptions in Media

A listener shares how the Netflix algorithm defaults to Japanese audio tracks based on their viewing history, prompting a discussion on how streaming services make assumptions about users. The hosts criticize Netflix for "insulting" racial assumptions, such as displaying specific cover art featuring minority characters to users they perceive as people of color.

netflix· algorithms· black history month· trauma-based entertainment· cover art

1:30:13 that title is not something everybody knows. Unless you go look at it, you're like, oh, hold on a second. That's interesting. Paul Yassi, 4444, and says, please D-Deadbeat me. Sure. Congratulations. You're no longer a deadbeat. $40 from Ramon Lerma. Keep hitting it out of the park, guys. We certainly intend to. Brendan Guzman. Hey, Moen Adam. 3333. Loved the show. As an American living in the Netherlands for the last four years. I'm learning more about my homeland now than when I was living there. This is a donation for my 33rd birthday, August 24th.

1:30:52 Sorry, we're a little bit late. Some home buying karma as my girlfriend and I enter the notorious Dutch housing market for the first time. Thanks for everything you do. And I think I should probably give you a little biscuit for your birthday. They always give me a biscuit on my back. I'm sending you tons of good all sanity. Take that. Take that. Take that. You've got karma. Christopher DeBiazi, 33, value for value. He says, thank you, received, and appreciated. Colin Cunningham, $30. Netflix, regarding Netflix carrying water to what they think someone is. What was this about? What were we discussing? That's the covenant changing the cover art. Oh, oh,

1:31:36 based upon who you are, right? Oh, who they think you are. Who they think you are. He says, I watch a lot of Japanese films and anime and the original Japanese with subtitles. So much, in fact, that Netflix started defaulting to the Japanese language track if one was available on English, German, Spanish language content. And I never changed anything in the setting. Something in the algo, I guess. Keep up the good work. Yeah, that is the point. The point is the assumptions. And in this place, that's the easiest algo. Oh, you look at a lot of this. We'll give you more of that. But to just assume that someone wants to see the Black Lives Matter

1:32:14 February Black History Month series of trauma-based entertainment is a little insulting. Because I think that's where the discussion came from. And them thinking who you are and putting the most minute character of color on the cover art if they think you're a person of color, aka a color person. And so that's the real magic of it. It's better. I think they know. They know that they know what color you are. They know. They purchase the MasterCard Visa history. They know exactly what kind of color you are. The thing that's insulting is the shit they think that you like.

1:32:57 That's the one. I don't think they are because my unscientific experiment is that they give me the white covers. Well, that's what they think you want. Oh, I see what you're saying. Not about what you are, but what you want. Okay, I got you. Yeah, I got you. Yeah. Now, who you are. Mad Man, it's that Matthew. Well, it's true. You know, it's true. If you put Mo and Adam next to each other, you may make some really strange assumptions about what we like and don't like. And as you and I know, we like a lot of the same things. things. Right. It's just I usually watch them 20 years later. Jared Westcott. Which gives you give you a good perspective, though. It does. Jared Westcott, $25.

CHAPTER 22 / 38 Discussion

The "Adolphus" Huxley Error and Scientific Skepticism

Mo Facts addresses a mistake from a previous episode where he referred to Aldous Huxley as "Adolphus," leading to a heated exchange with a listener named Srinivas Murty. The discussion transitions into scientific skepticism, citing recent James Webb Telescope data that some astronomers claim contradicts the Big Bang theory and standard models of an expanding universe.

aldous huxley· james webb telescope· big bang theory· darwinism· srinivas murty

1:33:40 Thanks. We appreciate that. Oh, what is this in red here? Oh, this is more pushback. This is Srinivas Murty. $25. You remember this. It involves a tweet, but you can continue with the note. Okay, I'll read the note. It may not have been in good taste to have tweeted my disagreement with the previous show. Perhaps I should have held back, but it is what it is. Unfortunately. Can you stop right there and just I'll explain why I tweeted it? Sure. In the actual show 85, I made a statement saying because I mispronounced, I thought I was mispronouncing a name. And I said, somebody will discredit the whole show off of me mispronouncing a name.

1:34:24 I actually made that point. And what name was it? Well, I mispronounced, I think, Nietzsche. I thought I was mispronouncing, but somebody said. Nietzsche. Nietzsche. Yeah. Okay. So, I mean, somebody says I was saying it right. You say it a little different, but I made a point on that. It's like they'll take that and discredit everything I presented, but this was because of a different name. Oh, you actually referred to Aldous Huxley as Adolphus Huxley. Yes. And this is why I kind of went quick into the second donation block because there's a lot of good notes and a lot of good feedback. And we love the feedback loop. That's what makes the show better. That's value for value. That's how it works. You send it in.

1:35:03 Exactly. So he tweeted, and it's not important. Like I said, it wasn't a personal thing with us because he actually made some great points. And we're saying other things that he brings up. It was just the fact that I said someone was going to do this. And he just happened to be the person to do it. So it's nothing personal. And I think I said something rude back to him. We're not even going to, I didn't bring. That's what I'm saying. I'll let you address that part of it, but I'll take my half of the involvement. And his tweet said, no, go ahead. In the tweet, he said, who in the heck is Adolphus Huxley? That's who you referred to Aldous Huxley as at Mo me at Adam and at Mo Facts.

1:35:46 Show 85 reference him. Wasn't it Aldous Mofax A la at last is becoming tedious and full of holes yet again? I didn't even say his name wrong. And you said Adolphus, and I was like, I don't know Adolphus. I didn't know if it was his cousin or, you know what I'm saying? So I was like, I don't know Adolphus. But I'm just saying, like, you use a mispronounced name to go talk about a whole show full of holes. And then, like I said, it's not make it personal, but address the holes, not the mispronunciation of a name. No, because the discredit person is not. I've been doing this for a long time. This is very typical in one way.

1:36:26 It's very atypical in the other. Very typical. So someone will, you'll make a mistake and then someone will turn it into, once again, shows is no good because that's not the fact that they're not good. That's what people will do. But Srinivas then went back and donated. So that's atypical. And I got to give him big mad props for that. And I do too, because it's that communicate. That's why I choked me and saying to address the note in a respectful manner and make him understand understand it. I wasn't picking on him. No, listen to this. Let me read this note. Oh, shut up. Shut up, Srinivas. I was going to be nice to you. Now I'm going to call you out.

1:37:10 Unfortunately, I disagreed with many aspects of the episode that were clearly a reach. Doesn't mention any. Be that as it may, I now know the Mo Facts No Agenda Twitter family is a rabid bunch when someone criticizes shows. That's not what his family. That's what cults do. Sad to see it here. Of course, I've learned a lot from other episodes. For that, I'm grateful. One last thing. Adam, I spiced up the GFY sandwich. Oh, with a special. That's what I told him to go have one of those sandwiches. It was awesome. Namaste. It's all right. I'm just trying to figure out how I got sucked in it and discredited it, and I did nothing.

1:37:56 Well, you know, when he says Mo, then it's in this case, it's probably just more about the show in general, not necessarily you. Right. But, you know, but I can understand, you know, that borders on racism. Certainly coming from someone from India or Pakistan or Asia somewhere. And then to, you know, right away accuse the black man. I got to tell you, that's what cults do. I think the real issue is it's not that. I think the real real issue is that Darwinism is a big third rail. Hot button, hot button. It's an unknown third rail. I mean, I assumed it because

1:38:40 people base a lot of their beliefs off of that. And it showed up, which I can say, I appreciate the pushback. There's something interesting going on, which I'll just touch the rail one more time. You know, we have the James Webb telescope up in action. And I've been collecting articles and blog posts. And I haven't really found any published peer-to-peer studies yet. But astronomers are very concerned because they're not seeing what they're supposed to see. There should be red, I think it's called redshift or red phase or redshift. What they're seeing is not an ever-expanding universe. Let's put it this way.

1:39:23 There is, in general, no evidence to be seen of the Big Bang theory. And there's astronomers who are posting stuff like, have we been wrong about this? So there's a lot more to come when it comes to Darwinism or evolution versus creation. It's going to be a very interesting thing. Throw space in there too. Throw space in there too. It's a lot. And you're hearing the antiviral thing. The virus is real. I think we're going into a new age of, I don't want to say discovery, but revisiting some of the things that we just accept as givens. Well, it's going to be hard for people to revisit this one. This is a tough one.

1:40:07 And I think that this is maybe why I don't hear so much about the web telescopes. Like, oh, shit, that's not what we're supposed to see. You know, it's dead stars. There's nothing growing. There's nothing expanding. It's completely the opposite of what they said. So take great notes. Take that. And we're not a cult. No, I take, yeah, it's a little offensive, but that's typical. That's what people say. Thanks for the support. If you donate, you can bitch all you want. Yes, we'll read it. Glad feel free. Of course. Uncredible Trucker, $20. And he says, as you rightly pointed out, Darwin did not come up with evolution, only popularized it.

CHAPTER 23 / 38 Discussion

Hinduism and the Origins of Evolutionary Theory

A listener note suggests that Western universities learned about evolution from Greek philosophers who originally derived the concepts from Hindu traditions in India. The segment posits that evolutionary struggle is built into certain religious frameworks and that defending Darwin is often easier for some than addressing the "racist" roots of ancient religions.

hinduism· india· evolution· greek philosophers· racism· reincarnation

1:40:48 Western civilization learned of evolution through Western universities who taught of the Greek philosophers that debated evolution. They got it from the Hindus of India. See, this is why Shrin is all pissed off. Hinduism. You know what? I didn't even read these two notes together like that. I mean, because it was I'll read them as they come in. But that's like that either. And we can't assume just by the guy's name that he's a Hindu. But in case he is, no. Hinduism teaches that all struggle to physically improve and transform in life, also, not just reincarnation, becomes higher forms of life. Racism is built into the religion. They defend a racist Darwin as father of evolution because that's far easier than defending a racist ancient religion as the father of evolution.

1:41:35 I'm uncredible, so pay attention to everything. Look it up yourself. And I think he wants to, yeah, you know, finish the line. And the troop of reality. I got you. No, I got you. Yeah. Hmm. So that's interesting. So the idea here is instead of calling religion racists, they defend. This is heady stuff. We need to dive more into this. I appreciate these notes. It gives me something to think about. I had no idea. He does, really. No idea this was going on. And I had no idea I was touching the third rail. So, I mean, that's the cool thing about it. I usually announce it with pride.

1:42:19 Like, we're going to a third rail. No, no, I just got zapped. Wow, what was that? I'll be revisiting the rail, though. Here's some $20 from Christo or Smith. Great show. Like getting the ADOS perspective. Thanks from Chris. Jennifer Cato, 20. Carol Chase, 20. Grant Convey. Always looking forward to hearing your perspective and bring up yet another book to add to my reading list. Thank you, Grant, with 20. H. Garrett, thanks for the great discussion on shows 84 and 85. Hope you like 86. Matthew Weaver, 20. Eric Hoff, Barbs. Then we have 15 from Eugene, SV. These are $10. Jacques DeLille, Jeremy Cavanaugh, Benjamin Barlow, Walter Fost, Terrence Lynch, Roberta Recchia, Vanessa Steinbach, Rorschach, and Rory White Photography.

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CHAPTER 24 / 38 Discussion

Pennsylvania Monkey Truck Crash and Outbreak Origins

In early 2022, a truck carrying 100 laboratory monkeys crashed on a Pennsylvania highway, leading to the escape of several primates. A witness, Michelle Fallon, developed symptoms after coming into contact with the monkeys' feces and crates. The hosts revisit this story as a potential "ground zero" for the monkeypox outbreak, comparing it to the movie "Outbreak" and questioning why the media stopped following the story.

pennsylvania· monkeys· cdc· michelle fallon· outbreak· herpes virus b

1:44:26 No. Yeah. So it kind of happens like that. It's like, oh, it starts to balloon into a whole nother rabbit hole. So we got to talk about monkeypox. Of all the things of all the things I need to talk about with you, it's monkeypox. I'm all ears. Monkeypox, because once I started reading into this, I see a lot of similarities of things we talked about before on other shows. But how the story began. Do you remember the story of the truck turning over with the monkeys and why nobody's talking about that anymore?

1:45:06 We laughed our asses off because this happened. It happened like the day before Show Day on No Agenda. It was a dump truck, which is what Dvorak thought is hilarious when there's an accident with a dump truck. And then the lady, like, she went in and touched the monkey. And then the whole town was like, hey, there's a monkey. They couldn't find the monkey. Where's the monkey? And that was ground zero of the monkeypox. And the reason why I bring this up is, you know, I always bring up old movies. We talked about Demolition Man and the things that pre-predictive, you know, pre-predict the programming that was in that movie. Outbreak. The actual term outbreak monkey, you know, kind of came from that movie.

1:45:46 It was popularized. That term was popularized by that movie. Sure. Where a monkey escaped in a rural area. You know what I'm saying? And then it created this pandemic. So what I want to do is revisit in these next two clips that actual crash. Because it's been erased from my memory. I haven't heard anybody link that. Oh, no. No, no. We were the only ones who did it. We're like, this is it. We're all going to die. We didn't know. This is before monkeypox. Exactly. We were just doing the same thing. Oh, where's Dustin Hoffman? It's all over. This is outbreak. What idiot? What idiot touches the monkey? All right. So let's get into the backstory of the wreck, and then we'll move forward to what I find disturbing about this whole narrative.

1:46:33 Now to a bizarre story involving the crash of a trailer full of monkeys headed to a lab and a woman now experiencing health problems after coming in close contact with the primates. The woman says she has been put on preventative medicine for the next two weeks, but there are some questions tonight into what these monkeys were being used for and what they could have been infected with. Michelle Fallon never thought something like this would happen. I thought, well, Zoe monkeys. You know, I didn't know these were animal test monkeys. After witnessing a crash on a Pennsylvania highway and stopping to help, she learned the truck was carrying 100 monkeys from East Africa, headed for a Missouri test lab.

1:47:20 I thought they were like, okay, like they had their shots, they're good, they've been checked. I didn't know they could have diseases or whatever. After checking to make sure the driver was okay, she went up to the trailer full of crates, thinking there were cats inside. They had this like green cloth over, so I peel up back and I go to stick my finger in there to try to pet it. And it pops its head up and I'm like, oh, it's a monkey. Three of the monkeys escaped in the crash and one was recovered. Two others were put down. Man, we had this moronic kid. I'm trying to think. It was like a teenager in his bedroom.

1:48:04 Man. What happened? Well, it was just, it's like, it was just like this stoner dude. I'm trying to look. I'll see if I can find it because it's a. a very funny clip if I can find it. I don't want to stop the flow. Yeah, so basically, she goes pets the monkeys. Just to go fast forward a little bit. She ends up sick. But nobody really talks about it. And nobody, like I said, once this story kind of like fell off that cliff of relevance, nobody's revisited it and said, is this a link? You know, it's interesting, isn't it? Yeah, it's interesting. Yeah, it's interesting how no one brings that back up.

1:48:44 I totally agree. And I'm making the comparison to how we went all the way to China to find some bat in a meat market somewhere to say that's the bat. Right. You know, but we got 100 monkeys crash. Three escape, two get killed. And all of a sudden, we have a thing called monkeypox spreading. I called that predictive programming right there. That's what I saw. So let's go ahead and get into number 25. Three of the monkeys escaped in the crash and one was recovered. Two others were put down.

1:49:22 But the hours-long escape forced health officials to issue an alert warning the community not to come into close contact with the primates because the species commonly spreads herpes virus B. I'm like, well, I was there. I touched everything. That alert leaving Michelle on edge and unsure of what to do. Her close contact later leading to pink eye and flu-like symptoms. I walked through their poop. I touched their face. I tried to pet them. So now I don't know what's going on. As a precaution, Michelle has now received her first rabies vaccination and has been prescribed antiviral medication as doctors continue to monitor her symptoms.

1:50:04 The location of the CDC quarantine facility where these monkeys were headed and the type of research that they were going to be used for has not been released. But this type of monkey is often used in medical studies. Yeah. This is so weird. I'm glad you brought this up because I remember we brought it up. Say, hey. But this was kind of before it was a big thing. And now then it just became vaccines and men who have sex with men got distracted from where it came, but it clearly came from gay guys. That's what everyone said. Didn't come from a truck. That's what they said.

CHAPTER 25 / 38 Discussion

First Reported Monkeypox Death in Texas

Health officials reported the first U.S. death of an individual with monkeypox in Harris County, Texas. The patient was described as severely immunocompromised with multiple underlying conditions, leading to questions about whether the virus was the primary cause of death. The hosts compare the media framing of this death to early COVID-19 reporting and the 2014 Ebola scare in Dallas.

texas· monkeypox· houston· immunocompromised· cdc· ebola

1:50:44 So we have to go. As I went down this rabbit hole, I'm just going to share with y'all what I found. And so fast forward, they said it wasn't lethal, but then we have the first death in Texas, 26. Patient in Texas, the first reported death of an American with monkeypox. The exact cause of death is unknown, but the patient did have the virus. And tonight, there's also growing concern over children getting this. Stop. Did you hear what he just said? What, tonight we have a growing concern over children getting this? No, no, no, no. What he said about how the guy died. Oh, it's totally unclear if it was from monkeypox.

1:51:29 Right. The guy says it's the COVID thing again. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Totally. He died. So this is the first person to die who had monkeypox. We don't know if it's from monkeypox, but the way they frame that, it's like, oh, here we go again. Here we go again. Didn't we learn anything? Or did we learn something? The analog with the HIV-AIDS crisis is uncanny in this. And it's from the same people. It's from the Fauci's and the, well, Burks is no longer there. It's the same idea. And you know, oh, no, you, yo, it's, you only get it from sex with men. And then, oh, you might get it from a towel.

1:52:11 Oh, kids could get it. It's sickening. It's the same playbook. I'm old enough to remember. Exactly. And that's the thing is like, don't, I want, I just want sporadically as we go through this or as they occur, let's just point out the commonalities between how they're addressed, how they address COVID and how now they're addressing monkeypox. We can continue on with the clip. Yeah, it's exactly the same. I'll start it over. Texas, the first reported death of an American with monkeypox. The exact cause of death is unknown, but the patient did have the virus. And tonight, there's also growing concern over children getting this.

1:52:51 At least 31 cases in children here in this country. And ABC's Berea Villa Real from Texas. Tonight, the first reported death of an American with monkeypox. Officials say the patient was a severely immunocompromised adult who died at a Houston area hospital. This patient also had underlying. health conditions and had a number of things going on. And I think that additional investigation is needed to know what role monkeypox may or may not have played in their deaths. The CDC today stressing that death from monkeypox is rare. Of the nearly 50,000 cases around the world, just 15 have been fatal. Oh yeah, this is total bull crap. Totally. It's the first death.

1:53:34 We had the first death and we got one. What's up with Texas? Didn't they have, wasn't that with Ebola? The first guy with Ebola, wasn't that in Texas? Remember that? And so it was like, it was live on every single station. The first man with Ebola has been flown in. And then they had the ambulance out there. And the dude just pops out and like, hey, I got Ebola. I'm going in now. It was like, what? Where was the hazmat suits? Remember, they had the people like they had hazmat suits in one part of the operation and then just some rando dude with a clipboard. Okay, you're good to go, Ebola, man. Why don't you? And where's he at now?

CHAPTER 26 / 38 Discussion

Pediatric Cases and Monkeypox Transmission in Dogs

While the majority of monkeypox cases are among men who have sex with men, reports have emerged of infections in children and a domestic dog in France. A case study in "The Lancet" described an Italian Greyhound contracting the virus after "co-sleeping" with its infected owners. The hosts express skepticism and disgust regarding the narrative of how the virus is jumping from humans to pets and infants.

pediatric cases· dogs· france· the lancet· transmission· italian greyhound

1:54:15 Why don't we get any follow-up from any of these stories? Well, where's the monkey lady? Yeah, there's no trauma. There's no trauma in that. If we can't traumatize people, why bother? You taught us that. Oh, man. You taught us that. All right. So let's get into the second part of this clip. The vast majority of U.S. infections have been in men who have sex with other men, but at least 31 children have also contracted monkeypox, including an infant who was exposed to the virus by a family member and treated at a Seattle hospital. The main thing that the patient was experiencing was the rash and complications of the rash.

1:54:56 And David, for children, there is no evidence right now that there is transmission within schools so far. Here in Texas, officials are reporting nine pediatric cases, and the CDC is warning there is preliminary evidence that suggests in children under the age of eight, the illness can be more severe. David, we're going to have to watch this very closely, Maria V. Real in Texas, Maria. Thank you. I'll be watching very closely. Anything could happen. How is it? And this is a huge question that floats around the internet. How is it that it's passed from gay man to gay man according to the narrative? But then all of a sudden pops up in kids and dogs.

1:55:39 Goggles, Curry. Hey, man, I'm getting there. I'm getting there. I've been on the monkeypox beat for a while, man. And you're from the future. So, I mean, that doesn't help. So, yeah, but this is a, and it's becoming a, you know, you know how those kids got it, right? You know how those kids got it, right? Of course. How do you think the dogs got it? It see, and this is, is, could this be labeled as misinformation or malinformation or so bad? It is so bad. Let me see. Monkey kids that they're not even, they're not even trying to discuss it. Like, oh, you know, there's some kids.

1:56:23 And they just walk right over after they literally said, oh, only men who have sex with men. And there's some kids. What? I mean, they're either leaving it out purposely, it's complete psyop meant to confuse. That's, I think that your point is well made there because this is definitely of that level. And that's another gloss over in a similar fashion was when you had the abortion case of the 10-year-old little girl getting pregnant. Yeah, perfect example. Oh, yeah. It was, huh? Let's wait, wait, wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. If that happened, how did she get pregnant? Let's arrest this person. No, no, we don't want to talk about that.

1:57:03 We want to talk about, you know, we didn't have had to fly her to another state. But I'm just saying, I'll bring that up not to trigger anybody because that's not what I want to do. Is the fact that they pick and choose how they want to cover things. But at the same time, this spell doesn't work on everybody. And all it does is make you ask even more questions. Like, how do the kids get monkeypox? You know, how did you know, how did this 10-year-old, you know, become pregnant? And the media is just complicit with covering it up, which I find very disturbing. Just on that level, like, if you get to that point, I straight out gaslighting. Let me give you the dog. Let me give you the dog story. It's 30 seconds. All right. This is a dog story. Good morning.

1:57:46 At 6-11, a monkeypox. Yeah, this is your breakfast. Hey, it's 6-11. Good morning. At 6-11, a monkeypox case in France appears to have spread from humans to a dog. According to a case published in the Lancet Medical Journal, two men who live in the same household contracted the virus. About two weeks later, their dog, a four-year-old Italian greyhound, started to have symptoms of its own and tested positive for monkeypox. The couple says it co-sleeps with the dog. Now, this is believed to be the first human-to-dog transmission of the monkeypox virus. Yeah, yeah, and then they co-sleeps. Then they bring in the doctor, the doctor, and they said, Well, so tell us a little bit more about this.

1:58:27 You mentioned a little bit, Dr. Lippmann, some of the symptoms we might see in our pets. If you can just go over those with us as to what to look out for, and then what can we as pet owners do to avoid any sort of transmission? Yeah, so symptoms, again, it's developing, but they can be very general. So, for just like in people, I think, general malaise, being feverish, not feeling well, not wanting to eat, to having those pustules or vesicles. Again, this dog had them around his mouth, around his anus, and on his abdomen. And these are times that again can be so easily overlooked.

1:59:04 You got a furry guy or that too. So, you know, if they're not feeling well in any way and you know that they've had known exposure, then it's really important to tell your vet so everybody can be safe. And at no point did they ever say, How does that work? I thought it was just men who have sex with men. Is it now just skin contact? No, it's men who have sex with men. And if it just happened to be around dogs and babies, I mean, the whole thing is nuts. But you remember, we have a clip from Neely Fuller, and I know we probably can't find it, but I'll just surmise what it says. Mary's like, I'm in the bear. It said, like, the bear is where we really got it going on, and they'll normalize it. Yeah. And kind of here we are. Yes. You don't ask any questions. Right around his mouth and his butt, you know, but

1:59:50 we don't have any questions. No question. No questions. No questions. We got no questions. Damn, ground Greyhound wasn't fast enough. But let's go. Yes. So now we got to go back. 69, Operation Infection, because this is talking about the media disinformation, how they accused the Russians of weaponizing a story about AIDS trying to kill black people. So we got to, I want to revisit that these next two clips because they talk about what we're talking about here, the media and how they plant stories and that kind of thing.

CHAPTER 27 / 38 Discussion

Operation Infection: KGB Disinformation and the AIDS Lab Myth

The hosts revisit "Operation Infection," a KGB disinformation campaign from the 1980s that planted stories claiming the U.S. government created HIV/AIDS at Fort Detrick. The campaign used a small Indian newspaper to launch the rumor, which eventually reached mainstream American media via Dan Rather. This historical context is used to analyze how modern biological warfare narratives are constructed and spread.

kgb· operation infection· aids· fort detrick· dan rather· jacob segal

2:00:29 So let's go ahead and get in first in the 28th. Okay, so to start, let's go back to July 1983 and all the way over here, New Delhi, India. This is when a remarkable story appears in a newspaper called The Patriots. It claims the HIV virus was secretly created by U.S. government scientists as a weapon to kill African Americans and gay people. It even names a facility, Fort Dietrich in Maryland, where the virus was supposed to have been concocted. It's a crazy allegation printed in a small newspaper. No big deal, right? But fast forward just a couple of years and look what's happening. The story is spreading all over Africa.

2:01:14 A scientific report's even published by two East German biologists who say they can prove AIDS is made in the USA. All these articles are from just a few months at the end of 1986. And then somehow, it ends up here. A Soviet military publication claims the virus that causes AIDS leaked from a U.S. Army laboratory conducting experiments in biological warfare. That's Dan Rather reading a fake news story to millions of unwitting Americans on national TV. But don't be too hard on Dan. This was one of the greatest cons ever carried out on a global scale.

2:01:54 And we're going to show you how it was pulled off. Where was this from again? This was the New York Times. It was the Operation Infection because remember, you were looking at Operation Infection from it was one of our greatest podcast moments in the history of this show. Because I didn't know you were walking down that rabbit hole. And we crossed paths on the Operation Infection because that was something new that they were using. And I looked at it from the historic standpoint. From the 80s and 90s, you mean? Yeah, from the 86 report from Dan Rather. Yes, yes. And how, like I said, it seems very plausible now. I mean, when you look back on history and it's kind of like, well, we do why we do the show. Because it sounds crazy at the time.

2:02:38 Oh, it came out of a lab in America. But like now you look at like, that's very believable. And then you look forward with the monkeys. Right. Well, just, but look at COVID with gain of function, the research, which was being done in the United States and then was illegally outsourced and shipped off to China. So it doesn't mean that they didn't screw screw it up. it up accidentally or purposely. But yeah, I mean, we discovered, although it only was for a brief moment in the news cycle, that the Department of Defense of the United States has been operating multiple bio labs in Ukraine. Does it get any crazier than that?

2:03:22 So tell me. It's really disappointing, you know? It's like, oh, so we're actually could also be the a-holes? Yeah, yeah, for sure. But it's okay. It's fun to blame Russia. And they got their own tricks. They're not bad. They know what they're doing. Right. I mean, we're going to get to possibly some of their tricks. Let's go ahead and get to the second part of the Operation Infection throwback clip. The KGB let the story go quiet for a couple of years after India, but with AIDS still making scary headlines in 85, they revived it, this time in a prominent Moscow newspaper. And the source for this story? You guessed it.

2:04:04 It's brilliant, really. They've repeated the story, but concealed their hand, distancing themselves from the lie they started. So we're now into 1986, and the KGB wants to add gravitas to this lie. So they look around for a scientist, a human face, someone who can back up the lie with data. And no joke, this is the dude they found. This is Dr. Jacob Segal. Remember, I said the report had two authors? Well, here comes the co-author now. It's his wife, Lily. Believe it or not, these two wrote that report that claimed to have evidence AIDS was created in a US government lab. This scientific gobbled. And, you know, you read this stuff and who can understand it, but it purports to be proof.

2:04:47 The thing is, it worked. The KGB made sure the Segao report was read by journalists all over Africa and they kept on pushing it until it went, well, viral. It's appeared in 200 reports in 80 countries. Even the Daily Express in London runs with it. And finally, on March 30th, 1987, the KGB hits the jackpot. A Soviet military publication claims the virus is AIDS leaked, leaked. Yeah, good times. Yeah, you heard about that everywhere. And especially that time, I was just going from the Netherlands to New York. And it was an exciting time in my life, but I remember this was this was a, there were books.

CHAPTER 28 / 38 Discussion

Racial Disparities in Monkeypox Vaccine Distribution

In Georgia, Black men account for over 80% of monkeypox cases, yet vaccine distribution remains roughly equal between Black and white residents. The Biden administration declared the outbreak a public health emergency to unlock federal funding and resources. The hosts discuss the "cha-ching" of government spending on public health announcements and the potential for "grifting" within the medical-industrial complex.

georgia· fulton county· emory university· vaccine equity· public health emergency

2:05:29 There was all kinds of stuff coming out. Right. And then you add a little magic in there, and now you have it. You know, you have a whole worldwide pandemic. Yeah. So I'm going to, this two throwback clips are going to lead us in two different directions. One, which I'll cover second, is the media planning stories for use later on. And that's kind of how they said that they, you, you always mention this about the CIA put something in a foreign newspaper, foreign newspaper, and then they'll reference back to that. Yep. So we're going to cover that second, but the first part is how AIDS was disproportionately and even targeting black and gay people.

2:06:12 Well, fast forward, monkeypox is now disproportionately affecting black men. New report shows the monkeypox outbreak is disproportionately affecting black men here in Georgia. And right now, the FDA is working on a new strategy to stretch the vaccine supply as we see cases jump by the hundreds week to week. Week to week, 11 Alive Joe Ripley is here to explain why this new guidance is especially critical for communities of color, Joe. Today we confirmed two employees within the Fulton County government have tested positive for monkeypox. They are currently in isolation. The virus spreads through close person-to-person contact as well as respiratory fluids. Today, we dug into the disparities of the disease when it comes to people of color.

2:06:51 Georgia currently has the fourth highest number of monkeypox cases in the country. State health officials say more than 80% of cases here are in black men. And yet the vaccination numbers show almost an even distribution of vaccines to black and white Georgians. Historically and today, we consistently see that these are communities that receive less health care, less access, and have less trust of the healthcare system. Dr. Jody Guest, Vice Chair of Epidemiology at Emory University's Rowland School of Public Health, says there's a sense of urgency to use what little vaccine supply the state has on hand to respond to the current outbreak. I don't think we are yet at a spot where we would say we have a handle on this. We need to consistently get the messaging out about prevention, who's most at risk, and we need more vaccines to give them to communities that are at highest risk.

2:07:42 Well, I demand an update to the news story. It should be black men who have sex with men. Or men that have sex with black men. I mean, like, all the black. men involved. No, no, no, hold on. Because she said, if I understood the story, magically, even though vaccination rates for black and white men in those communities are equally the same, we have more black men with, if I understood the story right. Well, it's a little different than how she said it that black men are being affected by it, but the vaccine distribution is equal.

2:08:21 Right. So you're getting more affected people getting actually less vaccines than they need. I have warned against this so many times in the past months. What's that? Pay attention to what's going on. They have a magic solution. Monkeypox is like, it's just a name. You know, it's Pox. It could be smallpox. This is all these variations. The vaccine has not even, they don't even know if it works and they admit it. Let's go get another vaccine. Well, it's even worse than that because as you heard them say, the supply is low. So they came up with this great idea to, you know, make the most of the supply they have.

2:09:05 And you'll hear that in 31. The fight against the monkeypox virus. The U.S. Health Department officially today declared a national public health emergency for monkeypox, George. Sure did. The new state of emergency allows for a stronger federal response. Monkeypox has infected more than 500 Georgians and over 6,600 Americans. Today's declaration means more money and resources are coming from the federal government. This is thousands of people in the U.S. deal with fevers, body aches, leaps. What was that inflation? From the U.S. government? What was that all about? That was an interesting little inflation. I don't know why he did it. It's coming from the U.S. government. Oh, Uncle Sam to the rescue. I don't know what he was saying. It means more money and resources are coming from the federal government.

2:09:49 Woo! That's right. 30 billion. 30 billion. What? I said, cha-ching. Yeah, big cha-ching. And it's like folded up with 13 billion more to Ukraine. And we need 47. And it's for COVID and monkeypox and big. And they're going to get paid to run ads. You know, in public announcements. I'm telling you, we can clean up if we do the, if, if we were shithels, we could go together. It'd be perfect. Ebony and Ivory. Look, man, clearly we have the end to the black community, right?

2:10:28 So if you want people to learn about the monkeypox vaccine, you hire MoFax with Adam Curry. And we'll make sure your message gets out to the right people. It would be perfect. You know, I'll take 30%. And now you hear why he was like, now you hear he was saying, ooh, more money. More money? Yeah. Probably. Yeah. You're right. Probably because, oh, I can probably do some more gigs, promote it. This is thousands of people in the U.S. deal with fevers, body aches, lesions, and fatigue. And now we're hearing from the first woman to contract monkeypox in Georgia. Channel 10, Audrey Washington, live at the CDC in DeKalb County. Audrey, the woman, believes she somehow contracted the virus at work.

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Cashier Claims Monkeypox Infection via Contaminated Money

A female cashier in Georgia, Camille Seth, claims she contracted monkeypox by handling contaminated money at work and then touching her face. The hosts question this mode of transmission, suggesting it may be a cover story to avoid the stigma associated with the virus. They discuss the "down low" culture and how the media uses specific demographics in commercials to shape public perception of disease.

camille seth· georgia· cashier· money· transmission· down low

2:11:11 Right. She's a cashier, so she believes she contracted the virus by touching money and then touching her face. She told me she's coming forward with her story because she wants to educate more people about the monkeypox virus. Just a warning: some of the images you are about to see are graphic. I'm in the healing stages. As you can see, like my face is starting to scab up. It's been about a month, and Camille Seth is still recovering. I waited on the results, and it was positive I had monkeypox. These are pictures of the lesions that started to form on Camille's face. Thursday, the Biden administration declared monkeypox a public health emergency. According to the CDC, there are more than 500 monkeypox cases in Georgia.

2:11:56 Infectious disease doctors say those currently impacted the most by the virus are gay or bisexual men. But doctors also say that anyone can contract the virus through close contact. Camille is a cashier and believes she likely caught monkeypox at work. Yeah, so I heard enough of these stories now of, oh, an exception, a woman, oh, a child, oh, a dog. And of course, you know, like everyone else, I'm the 15-year-old, like, oh, dude, what were you doing with the dog? Right. However, I think there's a very distinct possibility knowing that when they say men who have sex with men, they're very, I've done the research in this.

2:12:33 They're talking specifically about men who go to big orgy parties and have, you know, weekends like Fire Island and they're messing about multiple sex partners. They're already vaxed and boosted to the gills. They may have weakened immune system because of that. I'm still not 100% convinced this monkeypox isn't a virus at all, but could just be an expression of something that's coming out because your immune system has been altered. And it would be perfect, just like HIV, which I have very set opinions about. HIV, it hit double hard with the 70s and 80s partying gay group because they were doing poppers and Coke and

2:13:17 probably still are multiple sex partners. It wears you down. I've spoken to many doctors who said, HIV, if I can give you super vitamin C for two weeks, you'd be fine. But instead, they gave them rejected cancer drugs and killed people. Right. So this to me, I am not so sure that this is an actual virus. This could just be something that you may show if you've under the right circumstances of being, you know, of your immune system being tampered with. That's one school of thought. So I'm going to bring up a couple items.

2:13:54 One, we have to always keep in mind something we've talked about in the show: the down low brother, or the quote unquote, down low brother, the ones, the gay man that goes back and sleep with women. And what we're calling down low is it's secretly. They're secretly gay. So could that be a way that they introduce this into the heterosexual population? Because this is how AIDS made the jump. Yeah, again, I just said it's assuming that it is a virus and it's not a response to. That's why I brought that up. I know. I can't in any good conscience even consider that any of what we were told about AIDS was true or monkeypox or COVID or any of it.

2:14:39 And, you know, so when you get into it's making the jump, then you're already presuming all these things. Like, is it a sexually transmitted disease or not? You know, that no one's even and they won't. They won't, they won't, right? They always skirt it and like, oh, you know, you can get it through close contact, but they never say sexual intercourse. Anything, this is there's we really don't know. I mean, really don't have the information. And as we know, the science can change within two years if it's advantageous and your vaccines don't work. I'm not so sure. These are just stories. You know, how did this poor woman, did she have a down low brother?

2:15:21 I don't know, man. And by the way, I think she said she got it for money. That's what she said. We saw that from COVID. We saw that with COVID too. Remember, that was the COVID spreading on money. But I would wager we'd have a lot more white women getting monkeypox if that were true. I think there's a lot more down low white brothers than there are down low black brothers. Right. So I'm just saying, what I'm just saying is we have to look at all of this history. It's in Atlanta, high gay population. Totally. That's kind of how AIDS made the jump over from being a gay disease into being a

2:15:59 majority now, predominantly black woman disease. I mean, when you look at the AZT commercials, it's either a black woman or a black trans woman. Prep. Prep. I mean, not prep. We see him. Prep, prep. AZT. So when you look at those. Right. So I'm just saying. So when you look at that, it's like, okay. I'm just showing what I found along my rabbit hole. It's hard to say. And because you can't go by commercials anymore. I mean, they're advertising with stuff with black people for everything. You see it. I'm talking about the historical ones. Oh, the historical ones. It was always still a combination. It was like a white man, gay man.

CHAPTER 30 / 38 Discussion

Eugenics and the Slow Debasement of Human Health

The discussion explores the theory that modern health crises, from COVID to monkeypox, are part of a broader, slow-motion eugenics project. The hosts suggest that the combination of debased food, money, and education is wearing down the human immune system and gene pool. They argue that the goal is not necessarily immediate death but a gradual reduction in the global population's vitality.

eugenics· immune system· quality of life· sperm count· genocide· debasement

2:16:43 Right. And then it'll be a black woman. Always together. Together was the best. Right. Those two. Yeah. And then it used to be a black woman, and then it'll be either a gay black man and then a trans black woman. That was kind of the makeup. And even you could opt out one of the white guys with a brown guy. You know, I mean, that was kind of the formula. And I'm not saying I'm not being flip it, but that was the actual true formula of these commercials. I had this thought the other day. Maybe it was yesterday or the day before. You know, because I think, obviously, we've been through the eugenics. We see genocidal tendencies, eugenicist. We know where it comes from. Merka foam finger number one. Oops, that Hitler guy's taking it too far. Tone it back.

2:17:25 But it's still kind of there. I think it's possible that none of these people are truly evil. They don't want to be personally responsible for killing people. But kind of the idea that there's all these different things put together wear down your immune system. You become weak. The gene pole becomes. becomes weaker, sperm becomes less potent, and just slowly, just slowly, we're kind of melting away. And they have all these different little things, and they put names on them, but it's really just, you know, they've debased our money, they've debased our food, they've debased our what health quality of life is, quality of life, you know, education.

2:18:07 So we shouldn't be surprised that, you know, this is just another part of it. And I think we're just being led around by the nose for most of these things. Like, oh, virus, you know, put a mask on, do this. If monkeypox, oh, monkeypox, you can't really get it to really has to be sexual contact. Come on. And to be honest with you, I am probably, and you included, we're probably the least two likely people to catch monkeypox out of the whole population because we're married, we're monogamous men. And we didn't take the shot, if that's what, if that's a part of it. And you include that as well. But I feel it my responsibility to present what I found. Sure. And I was 90% where you're at, but

2:18:52 I found something to make me start to question what the hell is going on here. So first, I set the last clip up wrong because I said that was going to explain about the vaccine. That was actually the women catching it now via money. You know, it couldn't be the doubt. They couldn't use a download brother. You know what I'm saying? Excuse yet. But now it's money. And it's like, oh, like, okay. I don't know how that works. But, and the other question is, should strippers be worried then? Atlanta is like the strip club club capital. That's right. Cheating. If monkeypox can flow on dollar bills. Well, they did this. That's why they, that's why we don't have any cash in most of the world now after COVID.

CHAPTER 31 / 38 Discussion

Dr. Isaac Bogoch on Zoonotic Jumps and Smallpox Similarities

Infectious disease specialist Dr. Isaac Bogoch explains that monkeypox is a zoonotic infection that typically lives in rodents before jumping to humans. He compares the virus to smallpox, noting that monkeypox lesions usually develop at the same rate, unlike chickenpox. The hosts discuss the psychological impact of a "non-lethal" but disfiguring disease on a vanity-driven society.

dr. isaac bogoch· toronto· zoonotic· smallpox· chickenpox· rodents

2:19:35 You know, China. China showed all these pictures. Oh, we're destroyed. We're disinfecting the money. It's dirty money. And all over Europe, people went 100% digital, no cash. Exactly. So, I mean, it's a lot of narratives being weaved in this. All the elements. So this is CBS News, Dr. Isaac Boganosh, Boga Gawk, B-O-G-O-C-H, Bogotch. Let's see. He's going to explain now about the vaccine and the new tech and the new sophisticated system they're using to make the most of our vaccines that we do have. Dr. Isaac Bogosh back with us to give us a primer in this. An infectious diseases specialist from Toronto.

2:20:20 Good to see you, Dr. Bogosh. Welcome back. Thank you. Great to see you as well, Heather. Let's help us understand this, Dr. Bogosh. Number one, what is monkeypox? And monkeypox is a viral infection, and it's endemic to parts of West Africa and Central Africa when it is not infecting humans. It lives in rodents. And this is what we call a zoonotic infection where it can jump from non-human animals into humans. And as you point out, there have been outbreaks in West and Central Africa. And once in a while, a case has been able to get someone guessed on a plane, fly somewhere distant.

2:20:58 And there have been cases detected over the last few years periodically in Europe or in the Americas or elsewhere around the world in Asia. And occasionally those result in onward transmission to a few other people. But what we're seeing now is a much larger outbreak than what normally happens when a case gets exported from Central or West Africa. Oh, okay. That's interesting. Once again, I did a poor setup. This is when I start to ask, is this gain of function? Because, or is it, I can see from where you stand. And like I said, I was on board with you.

2:21:39 90% of, you know, maybe it's a response to people that were vaccinated, you know, compromised immune system. You have this flare-up, you know, that kind of thing. But he said that one, what troubles me is rats, rodents, it travels through rodents. So we got to keep that in mind where I'm going with this. But then, two, you got the rats, and then you have the, it's, but it didn't spread that easy. Now all of a sudden, it's exploding. And even you're not hearing the cases like 50 to 500 to 5,000. It's like, whoa, it shouldn't spread this way. Is this gain of function?

2:22:23 If it's not the way you see it. Yeah, or whatever. What is it? Just what is it? Right. And why is it spreading uncommonly like it typically would? You know, these are questions that we need to ask. So where do we stop it? 33 is next. Okay, let's go. See, make sure I said it at 33. No, no, no, no. We don't, hold on. Did I miss one? You already covered that. You already covered it at 33. Oh, okay. With the dog. Right. Because the rodents, dogs. Yeah. Okay. You maybe did a punch on that one. So he goes on to explain how

2:23:03 COVID, I mean, monkeypox is not the same as COVID. Some people say it's similar. You might hear words that it's similar to chickenpox. It is and it isn't. With chickenpox, when you see the skin lesions, those classic skin lesions emerge, they're of different ages. So some are erupting at the same time that others are receding and scabbing over. With monkeypox, it's similar to an infection that has been eradicated from planet Earth. It's similar to smallpox in that the lesions typically are all the same age. They'll usually erupt mostly at the same time and they'll roughly be at the same level of development. And fortunately, the vast majority of people will recover from this and will do just fine.

2:23:43 But, you know, there obviously can be people on the thicker end of the spectrum. Luckily, that's the minority of cases. And so far to date, we haven't heard of any people impacted by this that have had a more severe illness. But of course, we know what can happen. It makes me ask, so it's gone from, it seems, from animals to human. What we know about the cases in Montreal is these were cases reported by sexual transmitted infectious infection clinics, awaiting final confirmation. But they were the clinics that flagged this. And it seems to be, and in cases in Europe as well, gay men, bisexual men, men who have sex with men. As far as transmission, what do we understand about how it's transmitted? And could there be a sexual transmission component to this?

CHAPTER 32 / 38 Discussion

Psychological Warfare and the Stigma of Visible Disease

The hosts discuss how monkeypox acts as a form of psychological warfare because its symptoms are highly visible and stigmatized. They compare the fear of "looking like shit on Zoom" to the historical fear of AIDS. The segment also touches on other emerging health threats like "tomato flu" in India and how these narratives drive self-imposed lockdowns and behavioral changes.

vanity· social media· shingles· public bathrooms· psychological warfare· tomato flu

2:24:28 You know, it's interesting he brings up chickenpox, which is another pox, because one of the side effects of the heart, the heart dart is shingles, which is another form of chickenpox. Correct. So this could be all kinds of stuff. But okay, now we're going to learn about is it a sexually transmitted disease? This is my question. And before we get there, I have the question. I have the observation, and this is just my personal view on it. If I didn't know what was going on or have a clue of what was going on,

2:25:08 I'm about to say smallpox. Monkeypox wouldn't have to kill me to make me scared of it. Just catching it. Sure. You see what I'm saying? Like it's like a non-lethal, but it's just as effective because nobody wants that. I mean, you could be like, oh, I'll catch COVID and I'll beat it, you know, in a couple of weeks and drink some orange juice and I'll be right. Monkeypox, that's a little different story. When you talk about I'm covered with large pus-filled. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And it takes three to four weeks before they're all gone. It's nasty. I've done some research. It's not pretty. So you see what I'm saying? It's not non-lethal, but it's just as scary.

2:25:52 I think the whole thing, you know, all of these things are intended to be just such. This is a perfect one. And I think it's kind of being downplayed, maybe purposely a little bit, but it has to work at a psychological level on almost everybody. Yeah, I'm not going to get it. Me included. And I'm probably one of the more rational people that you want to meet. I mean, I believe so. But it's still in the back of my mind. I don't use public toilets anymore. I mean, I actually changed the way I, I mean, no, I mean, no, I can't take that risk. I mean, and I'm just being honest with people. So it's working. Of course.

2:26:35 You know, well, and you get a good, we should go back in your house. This is this isn't, this is an ongoing agenda. Did we miss the polio? Polio coming back. We had that in New York City. That's kind of gone a little bit now because, you know, Orange Man bad raid. Polio. We had tomato. Was it tomato flu in parts of the world? Yeah, tomato. I never heard that one. Yeah, tomato flu. It's a real thing. You don't know about tomato flu. No, you got me on that one.

2:27:11 Here, I have. Even as the spread of deadly COVID-19 virus still prevails across India, the threat of another virus is now threatening the masses. According to the latest report, India has reported 82 cases of tomato flu. You see, I'm not messing around. Tomato flu. So that monkeypox hit different though. though. I'm just saying. That monkeypox. I'm just being honest with you. Like, bro, it's all psychological. We could throw a million things. Oh, where's HPV? We should need to be bringing that back. Oh, you get cervical cancer, throat cancer. Remember, Michael Douglas. Oh, yeah, I got it for my wife.

2:27:51 You know what I was doing? This is I have distrust and all of that. I don't want any of it. I hear you. But I'm very distrusting of what is real. What is really going on here? Where is it coming from? Is it really a virus? What's happening? I have the same questions that you do, but I just have to be honest in the back of my mind. Yeah, well, it's working. You know, you wash your hands a little more. You know, like I said, I don't use public bathrooms anymore. I mean, you change the me, just me personally, make sure you're saying I'm going to have a be able to make it home. You're saying leave home and make it back home before I have to use the bathroom. Because and it reminds me of AIDS in that same way.

2:28:36 Don't use public bathrooms. You know what I'm saying? That kind of thing with AIDS. There you go. It's working. Being in this vain society that we lived in, this is worse than COVID. This is because you see, you got sores on your face. Yeah, that's bad. For months, you know what I'm saying? You can't hide this for a couple of days. I'm just got to be honest with you guys. Like, the monkey pots got me sugar. Really? Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry about that. I don't think you have to worry. Oh, okay. Let's see if you say that by the end of the show. Okay. Not to scare you, not to traumatize you in any way.

CHAPTER 33 / 38 Discussion

Uncertainty of Sexual Transmission and Semen Studies

Medical experts remain uncertain whether monkeypox is truly a sexually transmitted disease or if it simply spreads through the close contact inherent in sexual activity. Dr. Bogoch notes that viruses like Ebola and Zika have been found in semen, suggesting an open mind is necessary regarding monkeypox. The hosts reflect on childhood warnings about "AIDS in the mouth" and the trauma of public health messaging.

ebola· zika· semen· sexual transmission· bodily fluids· neglected tropical disease

2:29:17 I'm ready. I'm ready. If you knew what I knew, number 35. He's going to follow. Go ahead. 35. As far as transmission, what do we understand about how it's transmitted? And could there be a sexual transmission component to this? Right. So this is very interesting as well. So we know, first of all, let's acknowledge that there's not a ton known about this. This is what we call a neglected tropical infection or a neglected tropical disease in the sense that it's along with many other infections that plague low-income countries. There's just not a ton of research on this, but there is some and we do know something about this. Based on some of the outbreaks in the past and some of the studies, we know that people can get this by direct contact with some of the lesions or direct contact with

2:30:01 bodily fluids from infected people from close contact with individuals. So, you know, being in close proximity for a prolonged period of time. And of course, there still are more distant contact or sorry, more distant infections. Those don't seem to be the majority, but that certainly can happen. When we talk about people getting this infection through sexual contact, what's really unknown is, was that just because of close and direct contact with the lesion or was it actually sexually transmitted? Before we completely discard the sexual transmission, I think it's fair to acknowledge that, you know, Ebola virus recently was found to be transmitted through semen.

2:30:41 Zika virus as well was found to be transmitted through sexual means as well. So I think it's fair to keep an open mind on that mode of transmission, but it's based on what we know. Close proximity is the main mode of transmission. Now, that's kind of weird because he's like, oh, we just found out that if you have sex, you can transmit it. Seems like that would be the case if you can get it from touching. And that's why I wonder what that definition is sexually transmitted. And does like the bodily actual sexual fluid carry it? Yeah, maybe. You know what I'm saying? Like that kind of thing instead of just, I hate to be graphic, but like the pustule erupting and it contacts your skin and then you catch it.

2:31:24 You know, because that was kind of thing like, because my grandma, I don't put it in your mouth, you get AIDS in the mouth. You know what I'm saying? Like that was. Who said that? I remember her grandma. My grandma, I remember like we were little. Like I had a habit of talking about. But hold on. What was she telling you not to put in your mouth? Pens. I had a notorious habit. I had a notorious habit of chewing like pen tops. And I remember I was little, like five, six years old. I said, I had to be 85, 86. She was like, oh, you're going to get AIDS in the mouth. And they're like, that was like that. I remember. Thanks, Grandma. Yeah. So that brought me up my habit of chewing.

2:32:03 I used to chew pen caps. And my mom would say, don't do that because if you inhale it, you'll die. I got that one as well. I mean, throat, and then you won't be able to breathe. Yeah. Yeah. So I got that one. I never got the AIDS one. I mean, I got gypped. I should have been threatened with AIDS. That's cool. So he brings up this. Yeah, grandma, like grandma. No, she's like, baby, you'll get AIDS in the mouth. And it's like, okay, grandma. AIDS. you know. No wonder you're traumatized, Mo. Come on. I get it. This is that's bad, man. The reason why I traumatize is the bumps, man. Like, that's like I said, mentally, you can make the jump and say, you know what, COVID, I'll be down for a couple of days.

2:32:44 I drink some orange juice, you know, maybe take some horse pace. I'll be back up, you know. But being covered in the huge pust, oh, no. Oh, no. Like, no, your life's over. You can't go out until that's done. And then, how do you explain to people, like, where you been for the last couple months? No, and then you still got to have a spa, a spa, and then you still have to heal, they still have to heal. And like, even if they heal, do they leave more? I don't know. But it's this, like I said, this. Well, can I ask you? This is a good one. I got to give it to the powers of being. Let me ask you because this is now. I haven't actually thought about it this way. I have zero fear of this. Zero.

CHAPTER 34 / 38 Discussion

CDC Mask Guidance Confusion and Respiratory Transmission

The CDC briefly posted, then removed, guidance suggesting travelers wear masks to protect against monkeypox. While the virus can spread through large respiratory droplets, it requires prolonged face-to-face contact. The hosts mock the shifting guidance and suggest that public health officials are attempting to link viral outbreaks to climate change to secure long-term funding.

cdc· masks· respiratory droplets· travelers· climate change· fauci

2:33:23 But is part of your fear because the obvious symptoms would probably point to you being a down low brother? Would that be part of it? That could be part of very more of mine is vanity. Vanity. Yeah. And that's why I think it's very effective on this vain society. Social media picture. This is coming from the guy whose face I haven't even seen. But okay. It's not the vanity, like I'll be ugly. It's the stigma that comes with it. Like, yeah. Have you seen these people? I mean, it's a plague. I mean, it's like a biblical plague.

2:34:03 It's not pretty. I mean, I saw a video of a flight attendant and he was, I don't know where he was, but he was not home and he had to stay in a hotel room for three weeks. One, because apparently contagious. And I think two, it's like he just didn't want to go out looking for it. That's my point. That's it's the so because like you remember how we was talking about with COVID. It's a lockdown. It's a self-imposed lockdown. There you go. Yes. And you'll be more willing to lock down if it becomes a tenth, a hundredth of what COVID was. Because I'm staying in. You say, like, hey, I need work from home.

2:34:48 I need your dad. Okay. So interesting you bring this up because I was going down this path and I, after the dump truck and then the Pox, I'm like, are you kidding me? This is their next thing. And they haven't used it effectively because this all leads towards climate change is where it has to wind up. That's where the money is. There's, you know, the pharma guys that had their fun with COVID vaccines, this is, it's being used, but I'm not sure it's going to go to the full extent because climate change is a lot more fun. You know, it's a hot day and then, and you tell everyone you'd start turning people's thermostats off. I mean, come on.

2:35:32 So now what is happening is, oh, because of climate change, that's why we have more viruses like monkeypox. You're going to see a lot of that, I think. That's one way it's going to be used. But I don't think it doesn't feel like another COVID-style terror streak. It has to be climate change. That's what they're doing. That's what they shut down Russian gas and oil for. That's why Europe is not in very, I'm laughing, but my daughter's there. And she was paying 200 euros a month for gas and electric. Now they want 800.

2:36:12 She doesn't have that kind of money. Who does? Right? I mean, like, who does have 400% increase in your energy? I mean, that's just your, that's crazy. So that's where they're going. And it's, yes, the impetus, you know, the tipping point is Putin, but it's, oh, no, we got to get to batteries and solar panels and we can't do it again. So when if I told you that an opportunity for a twofer would that interest you? Can I pick it just on a twofer? If you got a twofer, best price, I'm interested. All right. So, okay, let's see. Here we go. The last doctor was saying that you could catch it through respiratory terms.

2:36:55 Had you heard that before? I think mine have briefly, but then for a moment there, people were talking about masks, I think, but that went away. As far as I know, that went away. Okay, that sets it up perfectly for the next one. Confusion over the monkeypox mask guidance. The spiking cases come amid some confusion over CDC mask guidance. The agency appearing to post guidance on its website saying international travelers should wear a mask to protect against monkeypox. That guidance no longer on the CDC's website. Instead, the agency urging travelers to avoid close contact with sick people, contact with dead or live wild animals, such as small mammals, avoid eating meat that comes from wild game, or using products that come from wild animals from Africa,

2:37:45 such as creams, powders, and lotions, and avoid contact with contaminated material. We know that you can get it from skin-to-skin contact, particularly if there's an open sore. But you can also get it from the respiratory route. Now, as we mentioned, monkeypox can spread through respiratory systems, but it's different from COVID-19. Monkeypox spreads through large droplets, which don't travel more than a few feet. So it requires prolonged face-to-face contact. Still, as always, officials are urging caution for people traveling, especially internationally.

2:38:24 Finally, something that the mask can't stop, and they say no mask. I mean, literally, the large drops is the whole purpose for the mask. And they're like, no, no, no mask. Yeah. Yeah. This sounds like a smell like a setup to me, bro. I'm with you. No, I'm with you. I'm with you all the way on this. I just don't know if it's still going to unfold it and more is coming or if it was just one that didn't quite work the way they wanted to. Again, I'm waiting for the twofer because if you could move monkeypox into climate change, you're golden. Well, it's not climate change, but it's some other foe that we have. But let's continue on.

2:39:05 But I'm just saying that that's just weird. Wear the mask. That would work against large droplets, people spitting on you, that kind of thing. No, I mean, it'd be completely justified to say, yeah, use mask. But they did the complete inverse of what you thought they should do. It's like, no, no, take the mask down. It's kind of like the Fauci thing. Oh, you don't need a mask. All over you. Or they want to make sure that the right people are wearing the mask. True. That's another thing. Or if you know it could spread through droplets, then, you know, let's not use masks so we can get the thing going.

2:39:44 I mean, it's taking a little longer than we expect to get. We need cases. They could have at least pointed out that, yes, a mask will stop someone spitting in your face. They could have pointed that out. Yeah, I agree. But they take it off this off the table. Why? Why when it actually works? Ultimately, transmission mode. Ultimately, the final answer, which will always be the same answer, they want to kill us. They want less of us. Ultimately, they have no gripes out of me on that. Ultimately, that's the answer. That's the final answer. Okay, finally, I misfired on this twice already. But now we get to the high-tech rollout of the vaccine from the Joe Biden administration that's going to stop the monkeypox spread.

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Intradermal Injection Strategy and Vaccine Dose Stretching

The White House is promoting a new "dose-stretching" strategy that uses one-fifth of a standard monkeypox vaccine dose by injecting it intradermally (under the skin) rather than into fatty tissue. The vaccine manufacturer, Bavarian Nordic, expressed concerns about the lack of data for this method. The hosts compare this to "drug dealers cutting cocaine" and reference Dr. Peter McCullough's theories on vaccine design.

bavarian nordic· fda· intradermal· vaccine supply· dr. mccullough· lgbtq

2:40:28 Back here at home tonight, the White House is rolling out its new monkeypox vaccine strategy this weekend focusing on LGBTQ plus events, trying to get shots into arms. And health experts are now raising concerns about the potential spread of the virus on college campuses this fall. Here's ABC's Phil Lipoff. I need to ask you: when are these clips from the past week, week and a half, two weeks? What are they more or less? I will say no longer than a month. Other than the truck crash. Yeah, because there was a bit of flurry of activity maybe two weeks ago.

2:41:03 A lot of monkeypox clips. I haven't heard this one, though, so I like it. Let me listen to it. Okay. The White House today rolling out a more aggressive effort to quash the monkeypox outbreak, targeting large LGBTQ events across the country. Vaccinations today offered at the Pride Festival in Charlotte, North Carolina. The CDC finding that 93% of cases are still among men who reported recent sexual contact with other men. Just over 14,000 Americans have been infected with monkeypox, but there are early signs that new cases are plateauing. A million vaccine doses have been delivered nationwide, and starting Monday, 1.8 million more doses will be made available where medical professionals are trained in a new method of injection right under the top layer of skin instead of into fatty tissue, a technique that only requires a fifth of the dose, increasing the supply.

2:41:52 Jurisdictions are very enthusiastically starting this. It's exciting from the perspective of access. The vaccine manufacturer Bavarian Nordic is raising some concerns tonight about this newer type of injection, citing lack of data, sending a letter to the FDA saying this newer method could increase reaction. The FDA says the reaction should be manageable and that both types of injections should create the same level of protection against the virus. Have you heard? heard this? No. Now, it's a lot in that clip. That clip was so packed full of information. What is this about? Where do you want to start?

2:42:31 You pick it. New vaccine. New kind of vaccine. No, it's no new kind of vaccine. It's the new delivery method. What they say is we could take one dose, make it five doses, and just shoot it right up under the skin and not into the fat tissue. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. This was to spread it out. That's right. Which seems like a complete violation of the whole idea of shooting it into the into the muscle and not under the skin into whatever. But how do you make one dose into five doses? And they did this with COVID.

2:43:11 Oh, we realized we can get three doses out of the vial instead of two. And now it's five out of one. And do you charge us a full dose? And when I say us, the taxpayer, that's who probably paying for it. Are you charging us now? No, no, we're five doses instead of one. Oh, good point. It could be a side hustle. Remember when the COVID vaccine has to be shipped to minus 3,000 degrees, very special refrigerators? And then after a couple of months, like guys carrying around the Yeti cooler. Here's my vaccine. I was like, come on. I heard, what's Dr. McCullough? You took me here.

2:43:52 So I mean, I heard Dr. McCullough on InfoWars. And he was saying the fact. Yeah, did you hear that? No, no, no. I saw he was on. I haven't watched it. Oh, he, I don't know, not to spoil it, you know what I'm saying? But I had to tell you what he said. The fact that they let it expire, not using it, you know what I'm saying, keeping it super cold like they originally said may have saved lives because it expiring, you know what I'm saying, actually made it weaker, weaker, or you know what I'm saying, not even have an effect at all. So I always had that same question. You got to spoil it for me. What did McCullough say? They said, we're all going to die from this thing. What was his bottom line? No, he was just saying that it made bio-weapon.

2:44:37 Yeah. This is by design. It's not an accident. But I just took away from it, like, okay, maybe they knew that if they gave it to you fresh, farm fresh, you know what I'm saying, from the freezer. Right. You know what I'm saying? It was inspiring people too fast. So it's like, you know what? You know, let's give them a weakened and a less dose because we're on this vaccine train now. So we have to keep it going. But how can we protect people from the product? And the other thing is weird in this last clip was the company's not on board. The company's contacting the FDA. It's like, whoa, whoa, whoa. We don't have any history of doing this new technique and shooting it right up under the skin.

2:45:19 No idea. Yeah, I know. And it's some like Scandinavian company. These are drug dealers. This is what drug dealers do. They take a key of cocaine and cut it. You know what I'm saying? And make the most out of, you know, stretch as far as they can. I'm with you. Of course they're drug dealers, literal drug dealers, legal drug dealers. I just don't understand why people jump on this. I mean, I saw the lines. Oh, I'm staying in line for my monkeypox vaccine. I know young women who hang out with gay guys, all getting...

2:45:56 You know, I hang out with these gay guys, so I got to get a monkeypox vaccine. Because of the vanity plays a huge, I don't think it's death. I don't think the approach is death. I think we desensitize it to death, really. We talked about that after the with the Spanish flu. Remember, like after they came out of it, the kids was like, man, you know, if I'm going to die, I'm going to die. I don't think death is a good motivator now. Because I think people are callous. Now you just look like shit on Zoom. Yeah, I got you. That's enough. That's way more effective. Whoa, I got to do it. And you can catch it twice. He was saying, like, when they could make you catch it twice. So now it's like, oh, I got to stay with my monkeypox shot. Up to date. Got to be up to date.

2:46:41 Up to date. I said this word more than I wanted to, but I think vanity plays a huge role in this being effective. And you hear the number of cases. I think they said 18,000 now. It's like, how is it spreading so fast? And I'm not discounting because I'm still as an open option that may be due to compromise immune systems due to the original shot. But I had to introduce this piece of information. And now we got to revisit. Let's go back and remember what. we talked about on the infections, Operation Infections, of planning news stories to be used later, right?

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Ken Alibek and Soviet Research into Monkeypox Bioweapons

Dr. Ken Alibek, a former Soviet bioweapons official, claimed that the USSR researched monkeypox as a potential replacement for smallpox in their biological arsenal. He testified that the program aimed to create genetically altered viruses that could be stockpiled as warfare agents. The hosts link this historical research to the recent discovery of U.S.-funded biolabs in Ukraine.

ken alibek· soviet union· bioweapons· smallpox· biological warfare· ussr

2:47:22 Yep. This is where we're going. This is what you get your twofold for right here. I'm ready. Number 38. I'm going to read the whole title. Did Russia consider using monkeypox as a bioweapon after the collapse of the Soviet Union? Now comes a new report which claims that Russia had looked at the possibility of using monkeypox as a biological weapon in the early 1990s. This was right at the end of the Cold War when the Soviet Union had just collapsed. On Crux Decode, how real is this report? How real is this possibility that the Soviet Union was using monkeypox as a biological weapon?

2:48:05 Dr. Ali Beck says, and I quote: So we developed a special program to determine what model viruses could be used instead of smallpox. We tested vaccinia virus, mousepox virus, rabbit pox, and monkeypox virus as models for smallpox. The idea was that all research and development work would be conducted using these model viruses. Once we obtained a set of positive results, it would take just two weeks to conduct the same manipulation with smallpox virus and to stockpile the warfare agent. We would have in our arsenal a genetically altered smallpox virus that could replace the previous one.

2:48:50 Unquote. Now, the Russian Ministry of Defense decided to continue working with the monkeypox to create what he calls future biological weapons after the collapse of the USSR. He was previously brought before a United States congressional hearing where Dr. Ali Beck said that he is convinced that Russia's biological weapons program had never been completely dismantled. How hard was it for you not to talk about that for the past two hours, two and a half hours? How hard was that specifically? It's a struggle.

2:49:34 So here's where my mind went. I'll just tell you where my mind went. Yeah, yes, please. That's exactly what I want to hear. So my mind went, you know, that shit kicked off in Ukraine. We got all those bio labs, our bio labs. You know, there's people in and out. And then a couple months later, there's monkeypox. Now, with this information, I'm starting to put some dots together on that. And that's why this is why this show, you can't, it's unmatched. And that's not from a vain. No, I'm just saying because we go, we're on the same rabbit hole, but for such different angles.

2:50:14 Yeah. That when we come and sit down and talk about it, it's like you fill in some gaps that I had. I fill in some gaps that you had. And then we come out with a closer picture to the truth. You know, this is the exercise of paying attention to everything. Here's another thing. When did Victorian New York? So Victoria Newland admitted to the Department of Defense bio labs in Ukraine in March. And I think the first monkeypox in the U.S. was May. So we've got Ukraine war, end of January, February, March.

2:50:54 Yeah, we got some biolabs. May monkeypox. And now in September, I hear that the Russians kind of dig this as a, so maybe there were still some monkeypox in there, those biolabs in Ukraine. Who knows? That's what Dr. Kenneth Ken Alabek is saying. And this guy is a huge douchebag because he's one of those people was the, you know, the weapons of mass destruction, bio weapons doing the whole Middle East. Anthrax. So he's been, yeah. So he's been brought before the, you know, what says he's testified several times before U.S. Congress and other governments on biotechnology use.

2:51:36 In the lead up to the war between U.S. and Iraq, he testified before Congress without direct knowledge or evidence that attempts to wipe out Iraqis' bio weapons capability were probably not, were probably not successful. So he'll say anything. Right. But I'm just saying, go back to the operation. That only makes it more likely if this is one of those guys who'll say anything. Right. So they buried the story if we look at it through the same lens as the Operation Infection. You have this report. that this guy is referencing of Russia, you know, always been open to using monkeypox. You know what I'm saying? It's their choice. It's their choice bioweapon now. Yeah. And now this is your twofer.

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Wastewater Surveillance and the Threat of "Russian Rats"

Public health officials are using wastewater monitoring to track the spread of monkeypox, a technique previously used for COVID-19 and polio. The hosts discuss the possibility of the virus spreading through urban rat populations in cities like New York and D.C. They jokingly warn of "Russian rats" climbing through toilets to spread disease, combining wastewater surveillance with bioweapon fears.

wastewater· fulton county· surveillance· rats· new york city· sewage

2:52:22 And we already got a beef with Russia. Man. That's pretty good, Mo. That's pretty good. I like it. So it's a lot of different ways I can go with it, but I like it a lot. Yeah. Okay. Now we got to go to how do you get it to the masses? You know, this is where this is where it really scares me. And you've heard these clips before. This is a self-made supercut of three reports I've heard about monkeypox in the wastewater. We'll talk to you in a little bit with monkeypox cases on the rise in Georgia and COVID numbers back up. Fulton County is taking a proactive approach to tracking cases by testing wastewater.

2:53:00 CBS 46 is Madeline Montgomery's live from Fulton County's Camp Creek wastewater facility with how that process works and how it'll inform decisions made by county leaders. Just like with COVID, health officials across the Bay Area are using wastewater to determine the true number of monkeypox cases. KPI X5 reporter Max Darrow takes a look at the importance of this kind of preemptive surveillance. Similar to the COVID sewage surveillance that began a year ago, it's pretty exciting to see the demonstration of pivoting wastewater monitoring for these other viral threats in a way that's really timely and useful for our communities right now.

2:53:41 The same sample and process being used to detect COVID in wastewater is being used to detect monkeypox. But monkeypox is a new emerging viral threat in our communities and it's also shed in bodily fluids. So it ends up in the wastewater. Okay. So here's a pro tip. Don't drink from your toilet. Don't drink from the toilet. It's a bad idea. But this is this, and I saw this happening with COVID. It's not a new technique. You can narrow down to a block or an apartment, maybe a floor, but this will be used for self-imposed lockdowns of many sorts. Oh, there's polio on your floor, locked down. And you'd be like, shit, there's polio here.

2:54:25 It was locked down. And before the Russian clip, I found that I was like, this is complete BS. You know, finding small pot, how? Houseway. I mean, like, seriously, how do you, how do you find where, I mean, like, I just, it just doesn't make sense to me. But it leads to the point of, is there actual monkeypox in the water supply? I'm not poo-pooing the fact that it's in there. I'm just saying, but how can they tell where, like you said, from where it's Florent from? Well, no, and that's why I was bogus from my perspective. Like, it's wastewater. So not the water supply, but of course, you know, I mean, you know what else is

2:55:10 it's it's not the water supply, it's the wastewater. But you know what else is in wastewater? It's like cocaine, you know, COVID, polio. I mean, there's a lot of people. Prescription pills. That was a big one for a long time. A lot of Lexapro. Yeah, Adderall. I mean, and then, you know, and then, of course, in the actual water supply that we drink is a whole bunch of other things. But this is a surveillance technique they've been talking about throughout COVID. We heard it two years ago. Oh, yeah, we can detect it everywhere. If anything, it's all of this to me is just noise information, fear-mongering, making you afraid.

2:55:53 And I think it's working. Here's where my brain went to. And like I said, this is just my observation of it made me think. It made me stop and think for a minute. Not that I believe this could happen, but if monkeypox is in the water supply, I mean, not the water supply, but in the sewage, you know, in the sewage. What else is in sewage? Crocodiles? Rats. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And oh, man. And what's the number one way of spreading what they said? The number one carrier animal was.

2:56:29 There's rats. Right. So if you get small, I keep saying small monkeypox in the New York sewage supply and all of those rats. Okay. I lived in New York City in Hell's Kitchen in the 80s where you literally saw rats as big as Chihuahuas. Yes, I agree. DC, Baltimore. Yeah. I can imagine that. It's Columbus Circle, right? Columbus Circle. Now, this is before that all got built up. You see Columbus Columbus Circle. Circle today is not at all like back in the Mayflower Hotel days. These rats, man, they climb up 20 stories. No problem.

2:57:15 Big Chiligan Island rats. You know what I'm saying? They ain't no puppy. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. No, that said, I never had one in my apartment. I've seen plenty of them down on the street. No one ever talked about, of course, people talked about they spread disease, but we didn't have any specific ones to talk about. So, yeah, this is interesting. I like monkey pots from monkeypox from a rat. It doesn't get any better than that. And guess what? You said they can climb up 30-feet buildings. They also can climb up through your toilet. Yeah. Well, Mo, I think you should look in your toilet every single time you go.

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National Geographic on Rats Entering Homes Through Toilets

A National Geographic report confirms that rats can enter homes by swimming through residential sewer pipes and navigating the "maze-like" plumbing of a toilet. The segment describes how rats use their sharp claws and air pockets to survive the underwater journey. The hosts conclude the episode by reflecting on how these "urban nightmares" contribute to the current climate of fear and behavioral change.

national geographic· rats· toilets· washington dc· rodent control· sewage pipes

2:57:58 You always do. It's a good policy regardless. And we got scorpions that can pop out. You know, it's kind of the same thing. It's like, hey, there's stuff going on here I don't want bitten. Well, people might think it's a myth that rats can get in through your toilet. Well, here's a report for the National Geographic, number 40. It's an urban dweller's worst nightmare: a rat in the toilet. It's scary, but it does happen. Good afternoon. You reach roads. Washington, D.C.'s rodent control receives a couple of complaints each year. You have a rat in your toilet? How does this ultimate rat invasion actually occur?

2:58:44 First, it could easily sneak into grates or manhole covers open to the street. Residential sewer pipes feed into the main tunnel. A rat might consider this path an irresistible opportunity for exploration. Its sharp claws allow the rat to scale almost any vertical surface. The rat is in the home's internal pipes. Going up, now it faces the biggest test: getting through the last few feet of the narrow, maze-like toilet pipes. Is this even possible? The underwater passage leaves no room for error.

2:59:28 At a turn, the rat finds a pocket of air, just enough to help it push on to the end of the line. Yeah, they can do it. You don't need to know a history channel. I could have told you. They can do it. Russian rats. Courtesy of Vladimir. Russian rats with monkey pox. Man. Well, you're not. I mean, I know you're affected a little bit, but you're not really like, you're not looking over your shoulder for a rat to bite you or some down low brother to attack you.

3:00:11 Are you not seriously too afraid of everything? No, no. What I'm saying is if you start to change your habits, it affects you. Yes. And with COVID, I was kind of like, I wore a mask at first more because the wife was on my butt about it. But you know what I'm saying? It's like, I didn't turn back around and go get a mask if I didn't have one to go to the 7-Eleven. But definitely with the public bathrooms, things of that nature, I have changed how I moved. And I just, I mean, I wanted to share that with people that you're the most rational person in the world. Well, we appreciate you sharing. I personally have never been a person for public restrooms.

3:00:52 I'm not a fan at all, at all, at all. No, me either. But I'm just saying that. I mean, it would be the last option. I mean, like the total last option, but I am being proactive now. Making sure I don't have, I don't have that need. It's like, and here we were, here we were all these decades thinking, man, we need AR-15s. We need lots of ammo. We need thousands of rounds. And Vladimir is going to come in here and get us with a rat. With a rat. Thank you, Moe. This was entertaining. I didn't expect this type of potluck.

3:01:33 It's good. I like how you give me the twofer at the end. That's really good. My nephew used some of these clips. This is good. You can link a pandemic with Putin. I mean, that's pretty good. That's pretty good. Pretty good. Let's not wait so long for our next show. Of course not. Of course not. We'll be back on a more frequent basis. Yes. And with that said, as I as I always say, pay attention to everything and the truth will reveal itself. It might come in the form of a rat, but it will reveal itself. Thanks, Moe. Talk to you soon, brother. All right, talk to you later, Adam. Remember, everybody, MoFacts.com. We'll see you soon.