72: Duke Power

00:10 Mo Facts with Adam Curry for December 8th, 2021. This is episode number 72. We are back once again. It's Wednesday. You know what it's time for. That's right. I'm Adam Curry coming to you from the heart of Texas Hill Country. Time once again to spin the wheel of topics all the way to Northern Virginia. Please say hello to my friend on the other end, ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Mo Facts. How you doing, Adam? Mo, I'm great. It's so good to talk to you. We barely speak anymore. That's what happens when we have a show to run, man. It's just busy, busy, busy. I don't know what you're cooking there in the back office, but I think you're awful busy.

00:51 You're doing a lot of stuff. Very busy. Producers are sending value in all kinds of ways. It's exciting new chapter. And speaking of new chapters, I just had a birthday. Yes. And of course, as your good friend, I completely forgot about it. And I think I got you a day and a half late. You got me early for the next one. Yeah, so what is this? 41 for you now? 41. Yes. 41. You'll never catch up to me. Did you get anything good? Any cool presents? I got a lot of love from the Facts family

01:30 and from the real family as well. Favorite food, everybody got together. And I'm going out of town to see my mom and pops here. So it's going to be a birthday week kind of thing. Oh, nice. All right. So does that mean there'll be a postponement on the lost tapes for next Wednesday? No, no, no postponements. Okay, dynamite. Wednesday, 8 o'clock. Set it on your calendar. Set it on everything. Wednesday, 8 o'clock. That's right. And we should be able to get the video into the podcast feed by the next time we have the Lost Tapes, which will work with any of the new podcast apps at newpodcastapps.com.

02:10 All right, Mo, I am super excited. Of course, once again, I have no idea what we're going to do today, but shall I just spin the wheel? Well, I'd like to say something before we spin the wheel. Since it's my birthday and we're going to start a tradition, this is the second year of it. My birthday show is something that I always want to work on. It's not going to be timely in the current event kind of thing. Kind of like Trapper's Delight. That was another birthday show. But hopefully, people, I hope people enjoy the topic and you can go and spin the wheel. All right. I love Trapper's Delight. Can't wait to see what we have for the show topic for episode number 72 of Mo Facts with Adam Curry.

02:52 Let's see what we got. The topic for today's episode is... Being black can be bad for your health. Okay. What a birthday show. Happy birthday. Yay. All right. So for this show, we got to talk about the Duke La Crosse case, which is not timely at all. No, that's from, oh, gosh, that's from how long ago? 2016. I mean, 2006, excuse me. So we're looking at 15 years old. But the reason why I want to talk about this is for two reasons. One, the Cal Rittenhouse case sparked a lot of memories about that case

03:36 with the prosecutor playing all kinds of tricks, the race aspect of it. So, I mean, it just brought it up in my mind. And I think it'd be cool to discuss it. So like I said, these birthdays are birthdays. Do whatever you want. Yeah. I'm sure. I'm sure. It's not just a throwaway topic. I'm sure there's a lot to unpack here. I hope so. So let's go ahead and get into it. And number two, Fantastic Lies. That was a tight discord. They can play more than basketball down in Durham, folks. Family Ever. La Crosse players were cool kids.

04:20 Good looking, big. They were tough. And they were cocky. Dedcoharmon. The long set. He was brilliant. Offensive winner that night. Here is ourselves. Guess what? Nasty scores! Ultra-aggressive. Ultra-focus. It's golf culture with an attitude. They were very popular athletes. Their attendance at parties was a big deal. They ran as a pack, and they were there together in almost everything they did. Most of the kids are from the North. Northeast, from well-established families.

05:23 I think the kids all want a crack at number one again. And if we're good enough, you know, we're good enough. And I think our guys are good enough. We knew that this team was going places. That's why everyone was so looking forward to the following year. But they also understood that, you know, it's not that easy to get to redo what you did, to repeat. These were athletes who knew what it was like that one little thing changes everything. Do we need to explain for people who may not be familiar with the Duke La Crosse case, the kind of an outline of what was going on?

06:05 Yes. So in 2006, the nation was robbed, quote unquote, by allegations of three Duke La Crosse players had raped a woman named Crystal Mangum at an off-campus party. And the wheels of justice set in place similar in the case like the Rittenhouse case, that they had to have these boys. Quote unquote, that's how they refer to these young men. And that's why it came up in my memory. And as I was doing that show, I was like, this seems a lot like the witch hunt that happened with Rittenhouse, how they were already guilty, you know, in the court,

06:48 the court of public opinion. So what I want to do is just like draw some highlights there. I think this is the first time we really saw the council cannon come out, the woke culture in the university. We're talking about 2006 here. Was it Rolling Stone that wrote the initial you're thinking about the Virginia? You think about this is the predecessor to that. Right, right, right, right, right, right. Yeah. So after that, so what you're referring to is the Virginia UVA, the rape culture there. And this predates that. And this was like on the heels of Katrina.

07:28 So race tensions were very high in the country. I'm just going to frame that. Yeah, that's really good to frame that. Okay. Yes. So I just want to show if we would have been paying attention then, we could kind of see what would happen now in the Renton House case. But I also want to show that money and power, this case didn't even, you know, get the wheels going on it because it got shut down real quick. But it was powers that be that wanted to give you oxygen for political gain and social change gain. So there's a lot here.

08:10 Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Well, I'm ready for the ride. Okay. So just to give you an example, what how the media that was anti-these were three white guys, right? Let's just make sure three white guys raped a black girl. Yes. Okay. Very important for context. Super important. And in a half and half city called Durham. Okay, let me get, I'm glad you brought that up. I'm from Durham. I live in Durham. So I experienced this boots on the ground. You were living there when this took place. Yes, I was 25 years old when this took place, living in Durham.

08:53 So it opened my eyes to how certain things work as a young man. Yeah, okay. This is good for context. Now I understand why it's your birthday show. Yes, it's going to be a lot of personal context in this because I am a Duke basketball fan. So that plays a part in it. And we're going to get into the whole Duke university Duke culture kind of thing, how they're looked at. It's a lot here for me personally. So that's why I want to make it as a birthday. So I think it's very apropos to do this. So moving back to the clips, this is an example of the anti-Duke media. And I want you to listen and just mentally compare it to what we heard about Rittenhouse.

09:37 It's going to be on a jury now. That's right. Indictments handed down, arrests made on at least two young men. We're expecting yet a third indictment in the Duke La Crosse rape scandal. Let's go straight to Clark Goldbander, our previous producer. What can you tell me about these two young men? They come from some nice homes in the shadow of New York City, Nance. Let's first start with Colin's home. It's in Garden City, New York. I'm sorry. When did you get on a first name basis with a defendant and a first and at a rape case? Well, I'm not. Okay, let's, Mr. Finnetter, go ahead. Okay, Mr. Finnerty's home is assessed at $1,900,000. I'm asking you about the family. Why are you giving me $2 million?

10:20 What does that mean to me? That's how much their house is worth, where he comes from Garden City, New York. Your point is. I thought you would be interested in their backgrounds. Is that what you're telling me? Well, I'm telling you, they do have some nice homes, Nancy. And we also have one from Reed Seligman. His comes in at about $1,300,000. A very nice area as well. Okay, what is this? It's about a half hour away from Manhattan on the Jersey side. So let's take a look at the house of the parents of the alleged victim. Their home comes in at around 200. Right, right. Wait. Are you trying to say that the victim is going to be outgunned by money in court?

11:01 I'm not trying to say anything, Nancy. I'm letting the stats make sure the stats are doing the talking. Wow. It was pretty blatant. That almost sounded scripted, though. She was being sarcastic for a reason to say that they'll likely get off because they're rich. Right. Okay. So she was being, I mean, it was built. This clip was built. This whole set of clips is built around sarcasm, but it's a reason why she's doing this to say, oh, you know, they're going to get off. And I want to make something right up front here. The thing was, and the thought when people first heard about this case is they're going to get off.

11:42 And this could be, even though two things could be true. This is one of those cases that one, the feeling that they're going to get off regardless of what happens has nothing to do if they were guilty or not. Does that make sense? Yeah, no, of course. I totally agree. I mean, I was 2006. Yeah, I was in the United States. So, yeah, I recall this. Sure. Right by my phone. Whether they're guilty or not, they're going to get off. And that's what really rubbed a lot of black people, quote-unquote, black people the wrong way because it's like, oh, you know, it's Duke. You know, they always get away with everything. And that's the culture of Duke.

12:26 A lot of that played in with the basketball team. We might talk about that a little bit. But I just wanted, like, that's the thing that rich, white, lacrosse-plane Duke players are going to get off regardless. Interestingly, now, 2006, you said? So I was really busy with podcasting, building podcasting 1.0, but I do remember the case. And what is interesting, but I was like not watching news at all, maybe headline, but just like just whatever trickled through, completely focused on something else. What I do not remember is the victim being black. Yes.

13:08 That's the whole, that was the whole linchpin of the case. I do not remember that. That didn't get through. It wasn't communicated. Of course, I wasn't doing media deconstruction at the time. Right. And that's the thing. It's kind of cool that we get to look back at this case, which no other podcast is probably going to ever talk about again, maybe until like five years from now when it's like the 20th anniversary, but we beat them to it. So. Yeah, but also, what podcast would have two hosts saying, hey, remember that Duke case? Yeah. Hey, I don't remember her being black. No one would remember that. No one would even think to talk about it that way. And the fact that I, like I said, I lived in Durham.

13:49 I am a huge Duke basketball fan. So it had a certain connotation to being a Duke fan, which we'll get into as well. So I guess we go ahead and get in the numbers. For people to let people know, this is Nancy Grace, if you didn't catch her voice. And this is part two to that clip. Okay, and let me throw a stat at you. Okay. False rape reporting, false sex assault reporting is somewhere between the low numbers of 2% and 8%. Okay, so you can roll all that money together, and it means not a hill of beans in my assessment of this case. Are you saying they're going to hire high-priced lawyers? Is that where you're going? I'm not going anywhere. I have some more assessments. I'm interested. Take a look at the incomes of these three towns where all three of these players are from.

14:34 In Garden City, it's around $100,000. In Essex Fels, it's about $150,000, which is very, very high in the United States. And in Durham, North Carolina, $43,000. And lastly, where they went to school, if you're interested, these two private schools, they clocked in at about $23,000. each. And of course, where the alleged victim went, it's free. I want to go to Stephen Miller with the Deep Conservative Union. Stephen Miller, what's your response to the indictments handed down and the arrests? Well, I think I speak for many students when I say that we're very, very concerned that two innocent people may have possibly. Hey, wait a minute. Is this Stephen Miller, the bald guy who was in the Trump administration?

15:17 Yes. Yes. Interesting. What outfit was he with here? Let me see. He's with the Duke something. It's something associated with Duke. Duke student something. I'm sorry. I didn't catch that. You can start. Maybe start. I'm going to go back a little bit. Yeah. I just thought it was interesting that this guy pops up in 2006 in this role. It's kind of cool. It's free. I want to go to Stephen Miller with the Deep Conservative Union. Deep Conservative Union. Duke Conservative. Oh, Duke Conservative Union? Yes. Okay, got it. Stephen Miller, what's your response to the indictments handed down and the arrests?

15:55 Well, I think I speak for many students when I say that we're very, very concerned that two innocent people may have possibly just had their lives ruined. Lord. You're saying it's not possible they're innocent. That's not even possible in the realm of possibility. It's not possible, but a grand jury has heard evidence and deemed this fit to go to a trial. Right, and we're saying that. When you're ever hearing what the victim has to say, you're saying the grandma's money. I'm not saying I'm convinced. I didn't say that. I said we're concerned that it's possible that two innocent people may have had their lives ruined because this case does have many irregularities and many inconsistencies. Do you have a sister? Do you have a sister?

16:37 Oh, man, Lo. Are you seeing the parallels now? Oh, yeah. This is very, so this was a, yes, I love seeing this media job. Although, of course, back in the day, it was only HLN, headline news, that would do this type of reporting. And now it's just everybody. Well, there were some big, heavy hitters. I don't want to spoil anything, but there were some heavy hitters that jumped on the Duke's Duke La Crosse players' guilty bandwagon. Oh, lots of people, sure. Yeah, so that's the crazy thing about it that,

17:17 like I said, this is the first time you really saw the academia step up and take shots at its own school and the media to, you know, you're guilty for white men to say you're guilty into proven innocent. This was not really seen before. And this is a very well, like I said, tell me. Had there ever had there been anything like this or similar since Tawana Brawley in the 80s in New York? No, no, it hadn't. And that's the thing. And this is, like I said, this is that time when in most cases, this case would have been, okay, the cops show up, listen to both sides of the story.

18:01 Hey, you guys, go ahead, shut the party down. You go home, sleep it off. And it would have never been heard of. But there were political motives and social motives at play to take down the patriarchy. So this was like the first hit at the patriarchy and family and that kind of thing. Yeah, at literal patriarchies, it sounds like. Yes. And you heard what she said. Who cares about what two innocent guys? You know, it's about what the victim and this. Yeah. This plays into what you were saying about the VA UVA case. This was the root of that of the college campus rape culture kind of thing.

18:45 Right, right, right, right. The rape culture. Yes, I remember now. Yep. Yep. So this is this. This is the big daddy of them all. I guess we can go ahead and get into part three now. Because this case does have many irregularities and many inconsistencies. Do you have any sister? Yes, I do, but I would appreciate it. I assume you've got a mother. I mean, your first concern is that somebody's falsely. Don't tell me what my first concern is, please. My first concern when I first heard that. I didn't say that was my first concern when I first heard these allegations was that an innocent woman had been raped. That was the first thing that came to my mind. But as the facts started to come out, there were many irregularities and inconsistencies that troubled me like many other people.

19:30 You've talked on the show about how she had bruises on her the day after. But a photo at 1203 before the alleged rape occurred shows that she had bruises and open sores on her body. You also have the 911. That's not what Newsweek says. No, you had 12. 1203. Yeah, that's not what Newsweek says. In the report, it says that there are already bruises. Okay. At 1203. Let me get another reaction from Monica Johnson-Hostler, the executive director of North Carolina Coalition Against Sex Assault. Your response. I think what I would say to this, Nancy, is, and as Dr. Baker spoke to earlier, that when you have rape victims, oftentimes the story would seem, as Mr.

20:09 Miller just stated, irregular or inconsistent. And I think the reality is that the story often comes back to the victim in pieces because, as Dr. Baker always said, that it's something that you don't necessarily want to recall and talk about at that point. So I think that's the first thing I want to say about this case: we shouldn't use the word irregular or it changes, but really think to the fact that this is something that people are asking over and over again: the sexual assault nurse examiner, law enforcement, her parents, her family. Everybody wants to know what's happened. Man. So, yeah, so they had it out for him. And it's a reason why.

20:52 Duke is the epitome of whiteness. And what I mean by whiteness is the wasp aspect of it, the white Anglo-Saxon posture. She's a male. Sure. The way Duke got his money off of tobacco and other things that we're going to get into later. It's very problematic, Moe. Yeah, it was the perfect, and people hate Duke. I mean, there's a literal hate for Duke. Okay, so this has to be some kind of setup then. I'm just going to jump ahead. Yeah, I mean, we're not going to, it's not, the spoiler is not going to be the outcome of the case because the case is 15 years old.

21:32 People know how it ends. Yeah, sure. It was the, it was the, when you look back through it now through the 2021 lens and what we've seen now, you look at this case, it's like, oh, yeah, this was clearly a setup. Like you're saying, you already, you already peeped it out that this is a setup because the evidence is not there. Do we need to, for people who don't know, living in different countries, do we need to talk about the outcome so they have that for the context, or is it okay just to go forward? Well, this next clip jumps forward and it's in close to modern day times. So it'll explain what happened in the case. Like I said, I mean, they got off. Let me just say that right now.

22:11 They got off and rightfully so. But this is Nancy Grace, and she's going to be called to how she handled a case by Jim Norton and Sam Roberts. I never dreamed growing up on a red dirt road in the middle of nowhere, as some people would say, that I would ever have a show on HLN. So it was beyond anything I'd ever really dreamed of. Did you get it? Did they ask you to leave or did you want to leave? I wouldn't say that I wanted to leave. I felt like it was the right time for me to leave because I'm leaving behind a lot.

22:47 But I'm going to where I want to go. And I had, like, I'll be honest, I had a problem with you for a long time because I felt like you were capitalizing on tragedies. And I'm sure you were accused of that before. Were you capitalizing on this stuff? As a crime victim myself, I guess it's the way you look at the world. I invite crime victims on and tell stories from their point of view. I help find missing people and help solve unsolved homicide. So what I, we, tried to do is take a story, and I brought this really from my law school days where I would have to condense a very difficult and convoluted case into something simple and did with juries to break down complicated and convoluted facts and

23:37 give it to them one, two, three. That's how I look at cases. I usually come up with a moniker and for whatever case it is, it could be the scenario, it could be the defendant, and that's what I call it. And the Duke, we have to ask you about the Duke rape case because you, you know, look, I thought those guys were probably guilty too. When I first saw it, they didn't look, it didn't look good. But then you went after them pretty hard, and Mike Nifong got, I guess he was just barred, and you didn't, or did you come on and clear it up? And I just thought it was. Well, if you read the transcripts before you asked me the question, you would know that there was no point that I ever said these guys are guilty. Although it's been commonly and very happily portrayed that I did.

24:23 Wow. I'm thinking that Nancy Grace could be a pretty good propaganda agent. She is. You heard what she said? She said she's able to boil down, boil it down ideas to three. one, two, three. Boom, you got a jury. Yeah, that's a skill. Casting spells. That's that's an example of casting spells. And then she says that she grew up on a poor dirt road. Now, this plays into the fact that this could be the source of hate that she had for Duke. And these preppy, these are the Duke, these Duke cross players were like the epitome of preppy douchebag,

25:09 cocky jerks kind of thing. You know, I mean, like, they were the epitome of that. And you heard what she said. She grew up on a poor dirt road. So it's, you saw this in Durham, living in Durham. Macon, Georgia. Yeah. So, yeah, but you saw this living in Durham that a lot of people that went to Duke came from up north out of New York. As you heard with the three guys that he laid out where they were from, they're in the state of New York, rich, kind of, you know, like I said, WASPY people that come down south for the southern living. So they're not natural to that geographic area. So there's always going to be conflict between the local white people and the Duke students.

25:54 Oh, yeah. No, I told you, this is great context. I had no idea. I don't know anything about Nancy Grace. Yeah. I do now. I'm looking at it now. So when she let off with that, I'll grew up on a poor dirt road. That was her, I believe that was part of her motive. Like these rich, you know, preppy white guys. That totally makes sense with the first clip where she's like, oh, no, don't tell me. Yeah, okay, got it. Yeah. And then the fact, like I said, she says she can, you know, boil it down to two or three words. That's why we saw the Kenosha kid. We see these kind of things. We see these kind of things now that play out where they just boil down. Yeah, to one, two, three. Racist kid, douchebag, no good,

26:40 guilty. Yep. So that, I mean, just to give it context, and you heard her. Then she said she never said that they were guilty, but in the previous clip, she said false rape victims only say, I mean, or only occur like maybe 8% of the time. I think the number she threw out there. So she said there's only a 92% chance they're guilty is what she, the way she put that. But I know a lot of people who do stuff like that and do put in little tricky words. I'm looking at you, Dvorak, little tricky words and come back and they're like, no, no, no, no, no, I never said that. Okay. Give yourself an out. And she gave herself, she never said it.

27:20 As you said, she said, read the transcripts. She never said it, but she also floated the idea that they were guilty. And she even said, who cares about these innocent kids? You know, that kind of thing. She said, you're going to lead with two innocent people, which being a lawyer, I would expect more from her because she said that she went to law school. So I think their innocent should be the first thing in being a lawyer. But that goes to show you these people don't care anything about law and justice. I mean, they don't care about law. They care about justice. And as we said, that justice is not what they, what we term it is to be just equity. With respect to lawyers, people who have studied law.

28:02 And, you know, it's easy for people to hate lawyers, which, but I don't. Many of my friends are lawyers. But the, it's like many of my friends are black and many of my friends are lawyers. I am so blessed. Yes. No, but if you look at who's on television, if you look at who's in Congress, now that's changing. It's a hell of just a heck of a lot of lawyers. Almost prerequisite almost. Yeah. Yeah. You have to have studied law. And I'm always amazed that Fox could always find the hot-looking lawyers. That's the thing that always amazes me. But yeah, you have to have a law degree.

28:44 And it's like just you're just learning some special language. And you know some certain things by heart and you understand some principles and then you're good to go. You're in a whole different atmosphere, a whole different stratosphere. Well, the problem with law is you should be, you know, whatever the facts say. But like with journalism that we're seeing, everything becomes opinion. Exactly. Now it's about opinion. And it's what we saw with Nancy Grace. It was about opinion. So, yeah, so they got the guys got off. I guess this would be a good time to get some of the details of the case before we move forward.

29:24 Okay. Just to let you know what I was hearing on the ground because I was hearing this from local news. You just wake up in the morning, getting ready for work, and this is the news story. story that we kind of heard. And it was basically when it first hit, it was that she was raped by 20 lacrosse players. Right. That was the rumor on the streets. I mean, I'm going to just give you what was going around town that she was raped by 20 lacrosse players, including a broom handle. So everything was incensed and inflamed. Wow, but that wasn't reported on the radio.

30:03 That was just the word on the street. Well, it was kind of alluded to because there's some facts to each individual thing I pointed out because her original claim was that she was attacked by 20 guys and then she boiled it down to three. And there was some kind of altercation between her and she had was another stripper there with her. Okay, let me back it up a little bit. I want to assume nobody knows everything. No, sure. So, all right. So, what happened was the lacrosse players wanted to have a party. They called up a escort service, ordered two white strippers, and they got a black and a half, you know, and a black and half black.

30:46 So, I mean, that kind of ruined their party because they were looking for, you know, white girls. So, the black girls come there. Miss Mangum, the one that ends up being the accuser, she's high and drunk when she shows up. There's a confrontation between her and the players, and then the other stripper and the players about penis size and their being too small, that kind of thing. And one of the players brandishes a broomstick and suggests that he'll use it as a sex toy. So, that's how the broom came into the rumor. So, I'm just telling you, this is how,

31:23 because it was very inflamed in Durham, very inflamed to the point of the police received a 911 call from a woman complaining that white men gathered outside the home where the party took place had called her racial slurs and threatened to sodomize her with a broomstick, right? But the rumor was that she was sodomized with a broomstick and attacked by 20 men. So, you imagine that hitting the ground, you know, like a lock, what do you say, a locking go halfway around the world before the troops pants him kind of thing? 2006, Mo. Uh, what was uh, what was your communications network with your friends? Is it supposed to be to hit the text? We had we had internet, but we was emailing or anything like that, but it was really phone calls.

32:05 Was it MySpace? Next tail chirps, Next Tail chirps, yeah, like the Next Tail Walkie Talkies. That was a that was a big thing. No, you really had those, yeah, that was the that was the thing. That was the Next Tail chirp, yes, that was a thing thing, yeah. Oh, man, what now? Did they have range, or do they talk to uh, they talked to the network, didn't they? Yeah, it was you talked to the network, it just came through as like a walkie-talkie chirp. And who could you talk to? Anybody else that had a Next Tail, and I'm just giving, I'm dating myself a little bit.

32:44 Holy, I'd forgotten all about this, man. Oh, yeah, the Next Tail chirp. That was, that was the, that was the, that was the, uh, you need to, you know, OCG Next Tail. Oh, my goodness, that's, that's, that's too funny, man. I love that. And so then another fact came out was the McFadden email. And this was a couple hours after the party ended. Ryan McFadden, a member of the lacrosse team, sent an email to the other players saying he plans to have some strippers. Oh, yeah. See? That's what I'm trying to say. The next tail chirp, that was the status symbol thing. That was like the iPhone before the iPhone. Yeah, exactly. Okay. All right. I got you now.

33:26 Yeah. So there was an email that was sent around, and it was saying that to whom it may concern tomorrow night after tonight's show, I'll decide to have some strippers over to Eden C. I think that's the address wherever the address was. It's all welcome. However, there will be no nudity. I plan on killing the bitches. Excuse my language as soon as they walk in and proceeding to cut their skin off while, excuse my language here, coming in my dupe issue spandex. All in besides Arch Tack, two of the team members, please respond. So that was a reference to American Psycho, I believe.

34:11 But the DA took it into any context took it as a serious threat. Right. So they invited, but they wanted white girls before the email was even sent out. So that's the weird thing, but they made it seem like this was a modern day. know, like Klan rally. Oh, wow. Yeah, it was, it was a, it was a huge thing. But the funny thing was, is no, none of the establishment machine, as you would say, like the NAACP, anybody really touched this because Duke has Duke has power. We're going to get, let's go ahead and get to some of that. But before we do, they had to go to the B team of

34:55 race hustlers. And this was a guy named Malik Shabazz of the new Black Panther Party. Not the new Black Panther Party, but the newest iteration at that time. And he's on with Michelle Malkin from Fox News. And this is after the charges have been dismissed. I apologize that we're going out of order, but it'll make sense in a minute. But here they are, their exchange. In the Factor follow-up segment tonight, as you may know, the Attorney General of North Carolina has dropped all charges against three Duke Cross players who were accused of rape, sexual assault, and kidnapping last spring. When that happened, the new Black Panther Party descended on the Duke campus demanding justice.

35:38 We will be here from gavel to gavel to when the final jury verdict is read, and we demand and are pursuing that this jury verdict come back against the accused. It should come back what? Guilty! It should come back what? Guilty! How do you find the two defendants, the three defendants in this case? Guilty! When the case started to fall apart, Malik Shabazz, the general counsel of the Panthers, entered the no-spin zone. But I never said they were guilty of rape. I said they were guilty. And I still stand to say that this case is a strong case for sexual assault, kidnapping, charges that can and probably will lead these young men, leave these young men behind prison walls.

36:25 And if the case is dropped, will that indicate to you the society is racist? It will prove to me that Mike Nefong doesn't know what he's doing. Wow, I love that. No, no, I didn't say guilty of rape. They were guilty of being white, you know. They were just guilty, man. Now, are you seeing the similarities now to last show? Yeah, only what's interesting is that this is happening on Fox News at the time with Bill O'Reilly. Yeah, it's the same. He's playing the roll of Tucker, basically. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's definitely like a repeat of history. History or just repeat of the act? Well, the council, I mean, the council blueprint.

37:10 This is, but see, the only difference was this was pre-social media and pre-take away your next tail chirp. Right. So you couldn't get the information. And this is kind of where Black Lives Matter was kind of birthed out of the fact that you had to depend on Malik Shabazz to get the Black Panther Party to show up. I mean, they couldn't get boots on the ground or get people to show up as easily as they could with Black Lives Matter when they came through with the whole social media apparatus that could mobilize people. This could have been very bad if it was then. I mean, if social media was around then, like it is even, what, two, three years later?

37:55 Yeah, it was just about, well, Twitter was coming in around this time. It was or Facebook at least for sure. Right. So I'm just saying this is this is this is how it used to work. And this is why people like Al Shartan were so valuable then because he would get these kind of guys on the phone like, hey, we need boots, you know, down in the middle. Now he could mobilize his action network. Right. So let's go ahead and listen to the second part of this knockout. Mr. Shabazz joins us from Washington. Good evening. What do you have to say for yourself now, Mr. Shabazz? I have to say that I am disappointed in the terrible performance of Mike Nefrong, that the victim who's the Kim, the accuser in this case, is a real victim here.

38:42 And I still believe that something criminally went wrong in that house. And this cage was bought, was botched by prosecutors in this case. So I will not apologize. And I will not apologize in my defense of black women who have been raped and abused by white men. Over 1,600,000 black women have been sexually assaulted and raped by white men since we came here on slave ships. None of them have been prosecuted. I will not apologize for defending black women. You're not going to apologize to the Duke La Crosse team that you smeared, that you convicted. Didn't you hear the North Carolina Attorney General statement? Didn't you hear that they said that they...

39:26 the evidence is that there was no attack? What exactly? I didn't hear that. I didn't hear that. I'm a criminal defense attorney. Many clients that I've had, the cases have been dropped against them, but I can't say that nothing went wrong. What I hear is political pressure that a powerful white university with powerful rich white defendants against a poor black woman, the case has been thrown out, but Nefong didn't interview the witness and charge the case properly. Nefong didn't give exculpatory evidence to the defense. It is Nefong who botched this case. And all women who will bring sexual assault charges in the future are adversely affected by this.

40:07 Wow, that is so similar with the blaming the lame ass lawyers. Hold on a second. What is this? Over 1 million black women have been raped by white men since the beginning of the country. What is this all about? Is this a number? Plantation rapes. I don't know where he got that number from. I don't know how you get it. That's what I mean. How do you get the number? I mean, who knows what the number is? But it rolls out the tongue. It's a good pushback. He knew he was wrong. He knew they had no case. And he got duped. He got got.

40:48 I mean, that's all it is to it. And as you heard him say, Nifong is at the center of this, which Nyphong has some very ulterior motives for pushing this case and letting it go as far as it is. But he did bring up one great point. These are powerful white boys, young men from powerful families, and they're backed by one of the biggest powers. I mean, you can't even imagine how powerful Duke is. Seriously, the only thing I could equate it to, I have a clip here from Show 66 Throwback. And Duke has the same relationship with Durham John Hopkins has with Baltimore.

41:30 Yes, okay. So let's get into this clip. And that takes me to my next question: the relationship between Hopkins and the local black residents in East Baltimore. You know, you talk about and the relationship of medical institutions in general. You talk about from doctors to robbing graves. You have a section in your book about that, which is really fascinating. You talk about how Hopkins was known as the plantation. And, you know, there's also people like Henrietta Lacks, whose genetic material was harvested by Hopkins without her consent as well.

42:10 That's true. And so one of the Hopkins presidents once said that Hopkins is not a good neighbor. And all this has come to play in East Baltimore, where people remember days when 1,200, the homes of 1,200 black people were demolished in order for Hopkins to construct a dormitory housing 200 white universes and doctors. So there's lots of distrust toward Hopkins. And in the recent controversies that we soon talk about, all this has come to play. Everything that Hopkins has done in the past, all its crimes have been mentioned.

42:54 200 Alex, experiments with lead paint, all kinds of other stuff. Yeah, fine bunch of people. So it's the plantation. I mean, I don't mean that in a disrespectful way, but what I mean is that they generate so much jobs and money. But also, James Buchanan, who established Duke, he had tobacco plantations. I mean, yeah, that's where it comes out of. But even when slavery ended, it was the same mentality. Sure. That you had to either work at Duke or work at one of the, you know. It's the American way, Moe. What are you complaining about? It's perfect. Yeah, the American.

43:36 But the weird thing is, is that you have this large number of black people because Durham at one point was like 50-50. Yeah. So it's this weird relationship between you have a large number of black people, but they're dependent upon this entity. All the white people in the powerful center of the and it's really one family. It's the Duke, the Duke family, because we're going to get into the Duke history and how power. I don't. When you think of, I'm going to ask this question before we get into that. When you think of Duke, what do you hear when you think of David? Well, okay, I'm glad you asked me that because I was actually going to ask you why, when we think of top universities, is Duke rarely?

44:19 rarely mentioned? It's always Stanford, it's Harvard, it's Yale. Why is Duke rarely mentioned? I'm not quite sure why. Now, mind you, I didn't really go through the U.S. school system. I went to Salem College, West Virginia, just for three months. It was not for me. So, I don't understand the affinity even with the university, although I comprehend it. I don't know. I mean, I'm looking at Duke right now. I'm going, holy crap, 50 Rhodes Scholars amongst alumni. This is a very powerful entity. This is a powerful group of people. And I don't know why it's never mentioned amongst all the other Ivy League elite schools.

44:58 They're Ivy, like an Ivy, but not an Ivy. You know, in a weird way, because it's in the South. That's one thing. And it's the way the family set it up to be that way. Even though it's a very high-level school, I mean, Institute of Higher Learning, they have a, they're preppy, but they're humble at the same time. It's the, it's the founders that made it this way. So I want to get into some history, but you, you only mention the university. These entities, this, this family was in use in tobacco, which tobacco was like the lifeblood of North Carolina.

45:41 Yeah. But they got into other things as well. And this is how they wielded so much power, the Duke family did. So what I have now is the Duke family history with Robert Durden, which he is the Duke University Emeritus Professor and author of numerous books on Mr. Duke. The Dukes marched to their own drummer. They were independent-minded people. Now, one of the best and early examples of that is right after the Civil War, when the Republican Party first comes into North Carolina, not existed anywhere in the South before the Civil War, but it comes into the South as part of Reconstruction after the Civil War.

46:25 Washington Duke became a Republican. Now, that was not a country club sort of thing to do. It was not a stylish thing to do at all because in the eyes of the white majority, Washington Duke was one of, now there were other white Republicans. They were known as scallywags. You know, the carpetbaggers were the Northern-born Republicans who came South. Well, the Republican Party in the South after the Civil War consisted of the great majority of them. When the African Americans got the vote, most of the blacks became Republicans. Carpetbaggers and Scallywags. Washington Duke became a lifelong Republican, and so did Ben and then Buck later too.

47:06 You know, Buck's idea of the greatest president the nation ever had was William McKinley. And he had this huge statue of William McKinley on his estate in New Jersey. I think Darsh later gave it to some little town in Ohio. But they weren't afraid to be different. So I think that kind of answers your question. Yeah, yeah, this was great. I had no idea about the Duke family. It's just fantastic. So they were lifelong Republicans. They, you know, post-Civil War, which that means in North Carolina, that was a very unpopular thing considering, you know, the Dixiecrats and that kind of thing.

47:45 But they understood, I believe, that they still had a lot of black labor. And to have good relations with that black labor force, you know, they had to have certain appearances. But it's weird because they're a southern family, but then you have all these northerners that would come out of New York, New Jersey area to come to Duke. And that makes up the, yeah, that makes up the student body of Duke. So like I said, it's this weird microcosm. Durham is a very interesting city and just the makeup of it and who wields the power. But definitely Duke is the, and I say I use this, don't use this as

48:29 disrespectful, especially to the people that work at Duke when I say it's the plantation, but it's that mentality of that's the single source of work. It's the same. My buddy Dave is in Birmingham, Alabama, and the University of Alabama. Same thing. Everyone works for the University of Alabama. It's huge research money, huge government money. I mean, it's crazy. It's just, you know, they control everything. Yeah, because you have the school, you have the tobacco. I mean, which tobacco is kind of dead right now. But at the time, like when this was being created, a lot of black men worked in those tobacco factories and tobacco warehouses and made a good living.

49:15 they made a very good living for the skills that they had. But they had even more power than that. And we can get into part two. In 1896, I think it was, Washington Duke told the new president of Trinity College, Kilgo, President Kilgo, that he would give Trinity $100,000, which was a lot of money then, if Trinity would admit women on an equal footing with men. Well, Kilgo and the trustees of Trinity said, we'd love to have women. We'd be glad to have women. So long before Charlottesville, the Chapel Hill smelled the coffee, Trinity College is admitting women on an equal footing with men.

49:57 Now, they didn't have the facilities for them, and they wouldn't have until later on when the Women's College comes into existence as part of Duke University. But Trinity began to admit women quite early. One of the earliest interests of the family outside of Durham was the Oxford Orphans Asylum, which is still up in Oxford, North Carolina. Pa, Washington Duke, Pa and Ben would get on the early morning train back in the days when we had a lot of train service and ride up to Oxford, spend the day at the orphanage, see what they needed, and then see that they got what they could give to help the orphanage.

50:39 So that later portion of the child care section of the endowment grew out of a pattern of family involvement. So family is a huge, it's going to be a huge component of this show and the lack of family and what the power of family is. But this made the Dukes benevolent, right? They were giving money away, creating hospitals, this kind of thing, letting women go to the college on equal footing. They were, like I said, very forward-thinking and benevolent. But at the same time, it was still that plantation mentality and the elitism to go with it.

51:22 So, I mean, it's kind of like the company store, right? What do you mean by that? Well, it's like if the university runs everything, then all commerce, everything around it is tied to it. So everyone works for it one way or the other, and they can really move people even in and out of their homes, I would say. Yeah. And I guess we can go and get to the third clip now because the hospital and the tobacco was one great source of money, but it's this new business they got in really gave them power.

52:02 From a very early period, Washington Duke and then Ben and Buck gave money to the Methodist Church, in particular to poor Methodist churches and to Methodist preachers. So that portion of the endowment grew out of the family pattern. Now I used to fudge a bit. I used to slide over this and argue that the Duke's business partner, George Watts, gave Watts Hospital to the white people of Durham in the 1890s. Well, the Dukes contributed to that, and I'm sure Ben Duke sat on the board of trustees and so forth. And then in the early years of the 20th century, 1901 or two, I can't remember,

52:47 Ben and Buck gave the money for a hospital for the African Americans in Durham, the Lincoln Hospital. So as I say, I used to fudge here and say, well, the hospital business was a natural. Now, that was an error because the Dukes were not really very much involved in health care. The health care portion of the Duke Endowment is primarily Buck Duke's original contribution or his singular contribution to the whole endowment pattern. That business of helping communities build non-profit community hospitals.

53:30 That was Buck Duke's vision. You'd help those communities who were willing to help themselves. They had to do some digging themselves for money, and then the endowment would move in and help them. They were ingrained themselves into everything that was going on in the town. You got something going on over there? Let me throw some money at it. So it was kind of hard to escape the reach of. Yeah, you got to keep everybody healthy and everybody working. That's how it works. Yeah. So to say all of this, they still have issues with the same issues that

54:08 similar issue that John Hopkins. Hopkins, Johns Hopkins ran into with where their hospital ran. So, just as a little clarity, my first daughter was born at Duke Hospital. All right. So, this is, like I said, this is the, it's a weird thing because the tension is always there with Duke and like the students and they share proximity with poor neighborhoods. I mean, you have Wall Town and several other surrounding, like, you know, saying poor neighborhoods that are just basically divided by a wall, a stone wall that goes around the campus. That's a short wall, but still, it's like, this is campus, this is not campus.

54:50 And if there's a harmony there, or was, I mean, I don't live there now, so gentrification has really kicked in at similar what we're seeing in the John Hopkins clip. But it's, it's, like I said, it's just this weird, you know, it's this castle in the middle of town, and it's representative of the ingrained power of this old money. And I think people get caught. Another reason I want to bring this up is the show is, I think people get caught up in the new money and the techs and industries and forget about all of these really old established

55:31 infrastructure, literally. I think you were looking into the McGill or something. What was that? Oh, the Cargill family. Oh, my goodness. Those are some fun ass people. Yeah, so the Dukes are the same way. This is the tech money is cool, but when you have an endowment. Oh, yeah. And it's even better than that. You don't hear about the Cargill family. No, you hear about Bill Gates with his fake meat. That's by design. Bill Gates is just, you know, a talking head for the Cargill family. So I imagine with Duke, it's exactly the same. Yeah, it's the endowment. It's the endowment. You know, you never hear about the family or anything. It's just, but this money is still there and this power is still there.

56:15 And for a DA like Nyphon to think you're going to take some of their boys and railroad them, he was a fool to think that because this is who you're going. I mean, you're going against the whole school that produces lawyers. I mean, it was a fool's errand. I don't know what he was thinking, unless it could have been a coup that, like I said, the student, I mean, excuse me, the faculty at the college were all for it for railroading these lacrosse players. But before we get into that, I want to get into like a little bit of the medical history. And this is kind of more reflective of me. And we were talking about why black people don't really go to the hospital or go to doctors, that thing.

56:58 This is going to answer some of that into more detail. So I guess we can go ahead and get to third. Before we start, this is Dr. Damon Tweety, excuse me. And he's the author of Black Man in a White Coat. And this is, I believe, PBS. And he examines racial disparities in medicine, both for patient and medical professionals. So this will give a bit of context. Even at Duke, how progressive it is, he worked at Duke, and this is some of his experiences that he witnessed. Being black can be bad for your health. It's a lesson Damon Tweety writes in his new book, Black Man in a White Coat, a Doctor's Reflection on Race and Medicine that he learned time and again in his own life and in his many years as a doctor.

57:42 Tweety is a psychiatrist at Duke University, where he also attended medical school. And welcome to you. So you start with this big subject. Is that what started it for you that you wanted to write about? Yeah, so race is this really highly charged political subject that we have in our society, obviously. But for me, this is a very personal story. This is really kind of about my experience in my journey. All too often in medical school, you learn about health problems in the black community. You hear this disease is more common than this. It's always more common in black people, but you didn't really hear why. This question of why was a huge issue for me. And it was also this big question about how my experience as a young black man was different than the experiences of other people in my class.

58:22 Well, that comes through because you're also saying that as a young doctor in training, you're saying constantly hearing about the medical frailties of black people picked at the scab of your insecurity. You did not set out thinking about medicine and race. No, I was actually attracted to medicine. It was sort of like this, it was almost like a post-racial kind of mindset I had. Medicine to me held this appeal of being objective, you know, formulas, equations. And it was really, and that was appeal. So much of society is messy and life is messy as a black person. So this was this appeal that it could be objective. And then when I got to medical school, I kind of got a rude awakening that it wasn't. Oh, okay. This is also very relevant to today. Of course, we know the Rona killed. kills black people because of their skin.

59:08 If you would listen to the narrative, but they don't never tell you why or they don't give any explanation. It's just that it kills black people at a higher rate, but there's no discussion. And that's because it's because of the narrative, right? And he got into medicine because it's being objective. Surprise, surprise. Yeah. At the end of the day, it's a business. And I said, even at a school like Duke, that was very progressive, as you heard from the family and the creation of the whole endowment and what they try to do. It was still these opportunities for it to be right and for it to be racism.

59:51 And let me let me Duke is seen as racist. I mean, this is almost synonymous. When you hear Duke, it's like, oh, yeah, you're thinking of David. It's Duke and this Duke. Yeah, Duke all over. I was going to say, I didn't want to lead you, but that's great marketing that his last name is Duke because it's baked in. Racism and Duke is baked in to it and to the name and the whole business. And I think they tried to, the endowment tries to, you know, get away from this, but these kind of situations right here made it worse for them.

1:00:28 And that's why you're going to see this kind of attack. So, but I want to get into this doctor's story because it's another topic I want to bring up that's personal to me. So let's get into number 14. But when you refer to your insecurities, what do you mean? Yeah, I come from Prince Rudas County, Maryland. It was an all-black neighborhood that I grew up in, just outside of Washington, D.C. And I went to a state college and I got to Duke. Duke's fancy private school. A lot of my classmates had parents who were doctors. And so I was willing to care about that. And as a black person, there's always this sort of thing about is affirmative action part of why you're here and do you really belong?

1:01:04 And so I was grappling with all those things when I first got to medical school. You write about a number of incidents that you witnessed in which you saw white doctors unaware of the different ways that they were treating black patients. How much in the end did you conclude that race does play a factor in the doctor's room, in the hospital room? I think it plays a big factor and often in ways that the doctor and the patient may not even be aware of. And there are several examples I talk about in the book. And there's one example particularly that sort of comes to mind off the top of my head. This was a time when I was going to the clinic myself as a patient. So I'm coming from home and I'm had injured my knee a few days earlier and I'm dressed very casually in sweatpants and sweatshirt.

1:01:43 And I come into the exam room with the doctor and he comes in and he never looks at me. He just looks at my knee and sort of has me stand up and down and then says, you're okay, and kind of is going to shuttle me away. And being a doctor, I knew that there was more that could be done or should have been done. And so I mentioned to him that I'm a doctor. And then suddenly he looks at me and his eyes kind of light up and he looks at my knee. He starts to talk to me. And so he really engages in this sort of doctor-patient exchange the way that it should have been from the beginning. And it was a really vivid illustration of how differently, you know, I can perceive. You know, on one hand, I could just be a young black man who's off the street somewhere and who knows what negative assumptions he may have had because he didn't engage with me at all. And then once he realizes I'm a doctor, it was like a totally different experience. And so I think that really illustrates how differently things can play out in the exam room.

1:02:27 This is interesting. This is a book I would be interested in. It's Black Man in a White Coat. Have you read it? No, I haven't. I've watched several of his hour-long who needs the book when we got the YouTube. Right. Well, you can just, yeah, just an hour long. You're saying he just gives you the best parts of the book. But two things he brought up. One is the, am I here because I'm a token affirmative action kind of higher. I think they call them diversity hires now. Yeah. It's a thing called imposter syndrome.

1:03:08 I don't know if you heard about it or not. And I plan on doing a bigger show on it, but I want to get into it now just as this, because he brought it up. Imposter syndrome is, am I here because of, you know, I'm a token or diversity hire. Yes, when you feel like you're an imposter. Right. Which can also happen when you land a job and you're faking it till you make it and you really don't know what the hell you're doing. True, but I think the true sense of it is that you are qualified, but you still never feel. Oh, that you okay, agree. Totally. That you belong. I think that's the key word, that you belong there.

1:03:50 Or people accept that you're, yeah, that you are qualified because this is the double-edged sword of affirmative action is that, yeah, it gets people in. in the door, but when you get them in with lower standards, then people are going to assume you were a recipient of that lower standard. Uh, and I actually did a live on this a little while back, you know, saying so if people want to check it out. Um, but yeah, so I thought that was one thing, and then the way that Doctor saw him once he gave him his credentials, it didn't change the fact that he's black, so it's not a point about black or white in this sense.

1:04:28 Um, because you heard where uh Nancy Grace was coming from, she's a white woman, um, but the fact she grew up in a dirt road, you know, she looked at Duke a certain way, even though she's white and they're white. Sure, um, yeah, it's class, and then that's it, right? That's the main point, and I want to point out that here, once the guy, oh, you're one of us, you know, saying you got a white coat too, then I'll treat you like a human. Uh, and that's that thing of this, uh, you know, us and them kind of mentality that goes on, right? But in this, okay, but is it in this case, it's not racial, it's more of he looked like a poor kid off the street or is a poor black kid off the street?

1:05:11 It's, it's, it's the assumption that you're poor. I mean, this is where the racial wealth gap falls into it. The fact that so many black people are poor, you know what I'm saying? You assume that's how you get the association. I got it. Right. It's the same thing with the affirmative action. So many people do qualify due to affirmative action. Do you happen to know numbers? Do you happen to know numbers? How many, what percentage of black Americans are poor? Do you happen to know? When you say poor, what do you mean like the poverty line? Oh, the poverty line, yeah. Well, you will have, I would say, I wouldn't use that. I would look at medium income. Okay. And they pointed it out in the clip with Nancy Grace.

1:05:56 She was like, oh, their medium income is $100,000, $150,000. And then we got to, you know, people from Durham are black. You know what I'm saying? It would be significantly lower. So medium income is significantly lower. I don't have the numbers right off hand, but it's definitely lower. And that's the whole racial wealth gap thing. And it's real because, you know, when you don't have... Right. But just to my point is people who live in Durham around Durham are going to be predominantly medium income because all the money is centered in that power center and everyone else is just serving it. Right. I mean, you don't have generational wealth that's passed down, that kind of thing. I mean, it's the institutional problems.

1:06:39 And that's why I was saying things like atonement, aka reparations are needed because then we can move on. Exactly. It solves the problem. Okay. Here we know one group had a head start in the race called America. You know, we didn't get out of the, you know, out of the start block as fast as other groups have. And then it's like, okay, I'm running fat just as fast as you or even faster than you, but your head started so much bigger. I can never catch up. You see what I'm saying? I mean, it's not going to happen. Now you can,

1:07:19 it'll be hard for you to have a black Duke family. You know what I'm saying? Like with the aspects of tobacco and, you know, the slave labor and those kind of things, those institutions, that's kind of hard to recreate when you don't have, you know, when you're still playing in the game. Right. The only way to start with generational wealth, well, there's two ways. One, three ways. One is the phony baloney stock market. I'm not sure how much longer you can actually do that with that with that. But along with that comes high-tech, big tech, Silicon Valley. And then my personal favorite, Bitcoin.

1:07:58 But that may be for a different episode. Well, that's the thing, though, but if you have a thousand to put in, I have a thousand and you have 10,000, 100,000. Even though we're both making money off Bitcoin, it'll always be a disparity there. And that's what you're seeing play out with this whole, I didn't expect to go here, but that's what you're seeing play out with the whole inflation thing. But Democrats are the same. Hold on a second. Hold on a second. I don't come from generational wealth per se. I mean, or at least not where I can, not the direct part. I mean, I literally had to pay taxes for both my mom and dad's

1:08:38 when they both passed away. So and it might have been there, but someone screwed it up along the way. So I'm just saying that in Bitcoin, you and I could theoretically be kind of starting at the same sport at the same point. True, but what I'm saying is for the instant. institutions of the top of the when you look at the top of the I'm just saying you're correct. That will never get fixed. Beyond atonement moving forward, I'm just saying there's an opportunity that is equal for everybody. Oh, yeah. And there's always been opportunities for equal.

1:09:21 I'm going to point that out. I mean, for him, but also to start new generational wealth that may be worth something in six generations from now. Right. But like with him, he says that when he went to school, his classmates' parents were doctors. Yes, sir. They're the second generation in. So that's, like I said, that's the hard problem. And all the reason why I'm bringing all this up is all this plays out into how Duke look to the public. Like those rich white kids that have silver spoons in their mouth, you know, they deserve to get, we need equity. I guess what I'm saying, Mo, is that I'm just, it's knee-jerk reaction because I'm really concerned.

1:10:04 I'm concerned about my kids, your kids. I guess what I'm saying is while we're figuring it out and while we're moving forward with trying to normalize inter-race relations in America, really Americans with Americans because it goes beyond race these days. I'm just saying, let's not forget to look at some of the opportunities we can take advantage of now. And that's the point I'm making that for him to be a doctor lets you know that the opportunities there, just like there's opportunity to make money now for everybody. And that's the point I'm trying to make is we shouldn't think, oh, like this doom and gloom mentality, like we would never be able to get out of poverty.

1:10:50 Look at Nancy Grace. She was eating dirt from a dirt road. Millionaire. Right. And that's the point. That's the point right there. But that goes to show you that the mental shackles are the real problem. This is why. And this is why I attack victimization, victimhood in the mind, these kind of things. That's the real racism. Yeah. Is thinking that the opportunity is not there, right? If, you know, it's kind of like the glid's been taken out the jar where if you bump your head in the lid enough times, you're usually like, oh, is the lid still there? Or if people keep telling you there's a lid there, there's a lid there, there's a lid there, which critical race theory, which that plays into it.

1:11:29 So all of this, like I said, all of this plays into it, and this all manifests itself out into this trial when we get to it. I know people are like, no, we're going to talk about the trial, but we have to set it up in this sense. So people are sitting, they're drinking a glass of wine. They're maybe smoking something. They're chill. They're sitting with their loved one going, yeah, let it go, Mo. Roll it out slow. All right. So let's go ahead and get the number 15 then. You became a psychiatrist, yes. Why? Great question. I never thought when I went to medical school that I would become the psychiatrist. But as I got into, towards the end of medical school, I took this one rotation just on a flyer and I really enjoyed it.

1:12:09 And the patients told my supervisors that I had a way with relaxing people and getting them to talk to me. And I had a way of connecting with people. And so that really made me think about psychiatry. There's also this huge issue as an African-American. And the mental health in the black community is really a big deal because often black people will be resistant to mental health care or feel like it's something that's not for them. And there's this huge sort of stigma that we often deal with. And so as a psychiatrist, I've often been one of the only few black psychiatrists. And so there's a huge deal there as well. Well, this is something important that you've written a lot about, the dearth of black doctors generally. And you're pointing to that as one of the important factors of why blacks fare so poorly in the medical system.

1:12:50 Why? Why is it important to have more black doctors? Yeah, so African Americans make up about 13% of the population, but about 4% of physicians. And it's like mental health and psychiatry is about the same. Really low numbers. And what you often see is that there's this issue of the patients don't trust the healthcare system because there's been a bad history of things that have happened in the past. And so often as a black doctor, I'm there to help sort of be a translator in a way. So that's why we need more black doctors. At the same time, I saw recently, Association of American Medical Colleges, a new report that applications from African American men have declined from 1978 to recently.

1:13:28 Right, exactly. Why? Yeah, so the numbers for black women have actually increased during that time, but I think there's this bigger issue about the way society from the very top down kind of sets the limits, the horizons and the expectations of what African American men can be. And I think that really filters down. It starts from the top and it filters down to the communities. Wow, all these things I hadn't considered. You and I never talk about mental health. health type stuff. I mean, I think we're always talking about our own mental health. Right. And, you know, as men, that's, that's, uh, that's very interesting. And meanwhile, black Americans are supposed to just be going like, dude, you dumb shit. Stop it. Don't, don't do that. Don't go. No, no, no.

1:14:13 What part? Don't take, don't take the vaccine. Yeah, that. But there are some things that we do ignore. I mean, it's just common sense health decisions. Oh, yeah. Distrust of the whole system. Right. The dangers of it is like, oh, Tuskegee, man, they said we're going to say, we fill in the blank. And it's like, well, I'm going to eat the sugar. What do doctors know? It's like, well, it'll kill you. Or I'm going to eat the salt. What do they know? Right. That'll kill you. You know what's really impactful for me is how you, and you're younger, of course, but how

1:14:51 you were talking on the live about Magic Johnson and when you found out that Magic Johnson had AIDS and what an impact that had on you as a young man. How old were you then? What was that? 92, 93, something, 12, 13 years old. But I think also for, and I'm just going to use it for your community. And I'm sure that was really like, holy crap. And that's just another part of it. That's just another notch in this whole distrust of everything. And then this pandemic where he says, oh, yeah, black and brown people are disproportionately dying.

1:15:33 It's like, holy crap. And they just keep pushing this shit out. No wonder. It's not good to live in a state of paranoia all the time or skepticism all the time. That lends to mental health problems. When you have to double and triple think things like, okay, where's the double cross? Well, it could be a triple cross where it could be a quadruple cross, you know, and that kind of thing. And that's actually how I live all the time. Welcome to the bottom. I'm always thinking, what kind of scam is this? All right. Maybe it says someone else is scamming the scammer. And this is how it is trickled over into this is the point of this show.

1:16:15 When these guys call those escorts up, they were living in the world like, oh, we can, man, we can do what we want to do. You know, I mean, escorts weren't actually legal then, but I'm sure there was kind of some kind of rules. But like, rules from those, you know what I'm saying? We're dupe, white kids that do, we can do whatever we want to do. I mean, that's the mentality of it. As college students should kind of feel that way, right? You're young. You know what I'm saying? You should have fun, that kind of thing. But for me and mine, it'd be like, oh, well, you know, this could go wrong and that could go wrong and that could go wrong. You know what? Let's just stay at home. That kind of thing. So I've told you the story. I told you the story about the basketball team when I was at Salem College.

1:16:54 No, you didn't. And so we were in Salem and Clarksburg was, I don't know, like 40 minutes down the road. That's where the McDonald's was. And I had a car. I had a Chevy Nova, straight six Chevy Nova. And my roommate, Ty, he was black. So he would hang out with the basketball team. They're like, oh, so let's get, let's get Curry to drive us. We'll go to McDonald's. Okay. And so I got six black guys in the car. We're driving down the highway in West Virginia. And I'm doing like 65. And they're in the back going, yo, yo, yo, yo, cuz, yo, cuz. Slow down, cuz. Hey, you're cool. You're cool, blood. You're cool. You're cool. I'm like, what, man? I'm just cruising. No, no, no, no, no, no. And I didn't, and only now do I think about it and go, oh, yeah.

1:17:40 No kidding. Because the calculation in their head is like, hold on, we got to watch the bus. I came from Amsterdam, right? I had no concept. I had no context. And the calculations going through their head. God, hell yeah. Bad. Six of us pulled over and get scared. You know what I'm saying? The sheriff's going to be like, hey, you can go. Just give us something on them. You know, just give us something. And that's their paranoia, like a real-time calculation. Yeah. And these guys were from South, you know, from like Trenton and, you know, all East Coast. And so they were like me, you know, middle class. But they knew what was up and they

1:18:22 knew what West Virginia could be a little different culturally. But only now do I realize because I was just oblivious. Interesting. Okay. And I'm just pointing out that before and this time you didn't, you or young white men didn't have to do these calculations, but now fast forward 15 years. Oh yeah, you really got to think about, I can't say. say that, or how will that land if I say this? Well, yeah, for most people, now I've created a life and a job and an environment where I can literally speak whatever the hell I want to say all the time

1:18:59 and not have to worry about losing my job. Well, I mean, I can worry value can drop if I mess it up, but then I've violated some horrible norms. But for most people, it's just gotten progressively worse, especially in the office environment or in the work environment, the workplace. And this was their first iteration of, like I said, the woke culture showing its head and the cancel cannon. We got to burn Duke. Burn Duke. That's the point. So now I was very connected to Duke. And the reason why is this next two clips is from my former pastor, which is another doctor, Dr. William Turner. And I think he was over the School of Divinity at Duke. And he was also our pastor.

1:19:44 So this is Mount Level Baptist Church in Durham, North Carolina. And it was, you know, it was a very powerful thing to have a doctor, a PhD, a legit PhD, not one of these Bible college kinds. Not them, but there's, just to show you, there's a double standard there. It's like, where'd you get your PhD from? Oh, Duke. Oh, okay. You're a real doctor. Yeah. Not like a doctor or something. That kind of thing. So here he had his sermon called The Beloved, okay, Beloved and Unloving Chaos.

1:20:22 So he kind of talks about the environment of Duke. When he went there and he, God, he had to be in like the 60s and 70s when he was there as a student. And he gives that kind, he gives a perception of Duke. And this is kind of like teaching that I sat up under as a young kid until teenage years. What are the consequences of knowing yourself as beloved and believing that everyone else is beloved just like you?

1:20:59 Then set that reality over against the one of knowing that you are beloved and seeing those who around you treat it like they are not beloved. Even more to see them abused, treated like they are despised, objects, tools for the convenience of others. What we knew about being beloved was set alongside what we saw. And it produced great contradiction and tension 50 years ago

1:21:45 right here on this campus. Those of us coming from our own discrete privileges were forced to acknowledge what they were. It blew my mind to find out that the men on this campus, the West campus, receive maid service. That is, a woman, a person, a human being would come behind us and pick up our pajamas and anything else we left. And when we came back, all was set in place.

1:22:26 So that's Dr. William, uh, William C. Turner of Duke University and Mount Love Baptist Church. I don't know if he's still there now or not. Yes, he is. I was just looking at their website. Man, he, I mean, I was what, 90 years old? He does the sermon there. He does the sermon seated, I can see. So he's a little less, he's, he has to sit down doing the sermon. So he. Oh, yeah. So, but I'm going to show you that when you grow up in this kind of environment where your pastor is a PhD from Duke, you have several other people in the congregation from Duke and other universities.

1:23:08 The music minister's daughter was like a super genius and she went on to go to MIT. It gave us the perception like anything was possible. Sure. So I'm just showing you how even an environment that he was saying, like when he went to Duke, the maids were seen as objects, but he was loved, right? He's like, okay, here's a black super student. We can love him, but then the maid. she's just an object. And it's this, like I said, creative contradiction that goes on.

1:23:46 So I'm just laying this all out that in this place called Duke, you could have somebody that's receiving their PhD, but they're getting their stuff picked up by a black lady. It's kind of looked at as like, you know, just to help. So I'm just trying to say, I'm just giving texture to what my experiences was and also what was going on at the campus to develop this kind of culture. So hopefully it's translating. Yeah, when was this that clip from? What was the day? This is 2018. Oh, okay. Not that long ago. Yeah, this is super recent. So, yeah, so he was saying 50 years ago.

1:24:30 So that had to be 1970s, 1968. So let's get to his second part of his clip. The privilege I enjoyed was that I knew what it meant to be the apple of my mother's eye, the apple of my father's eye, the darling of my community, my school, my church. So great dissonance was precipitated on the inside from the natal knowledge of what it meant to be beloved and then to be treated as unloved, unwelcome.

1:25:11 Even worse, to see people like the ones I cherished and who I had come to love and who had cherished me, treated like they were object of someone else's desire. Housekeepers, calling by their first names, people who we love, receiving pay, below minimum wage, knowing the school patronized institutions that still practice racial segregation, going to classes where your experience was disregarded. That the time came where the meaning and experience of being beloved

1:25:56 clashed with behaviors and performances that bespoke everything but love. We could keep our eyes fixed on the train that was coming. The train the impression sang about. They said, you don't need no baggage. Just get on board. All you need is faith to hear the diesels humming. All right. What do I take away from that? So he was just saying that, just like I said, to get perspective, that he was a star student. And this goes that talented 10th bullet mentality of, okay, we'll accept you, but, and it lends to more to what the doctor was saying as well.

1:26:45 Once he knew I was a doctor, oh, he treated me like a human. So all this is baked into what Duke is. And the reason why I put these two clips in here is, don't get it twisted. The Duke understood donating money to the Methodist church would trickle down to the African Methodist AME. Sure. Which was the Reverends, which they said how to control people is through the Reverends. Alright, so they had all the bases covered. And the reason why I brought this up, another reason I brought this up is the Reverends were very quiet on this case.

1:27:25 They knew where their bread was buttered. Oh, bad. That's why you had to go get a, what was his name? Malik Shabazz. You know, I mean, any other time you would have had Al Shorten, Jesse Jackson, but they knew it's like, ah, you don't really want to step on Duke's toes. So. Right. Yeah. I mean, yeah, well, this, this is their, they are Durham and they are North Carolina's business. Yeah, I mean, in more ways than one. So now we get into the other businesses that they took part in. This is going back to the history clips from Robert Durden. In the business area, I think the most creative thing he did was the Duke Power Company.

1:28:08 This was a phenomenally creative, visionary sort of enterprise. He got into hydroelectric power when it was the frontier. And so many people were scared of electricity. They had to sell the idea of electricity to a lot of mill owners, textile mill owners, because they were scared of it. But I think that was a tremendous. tremendously creative sort of thing um and one reason he wanted he got into hydroelectricity was because he didn't talk a lot a lot about his motives his the reasons for doing things but

1:28:52 and he never once used the term new south as far as i know i never saw it But he was distressed about the poverty of this region after the Civil War. He grew up in it. And I think he saw textile manufacturing as the best avenue out of this poverty. And of course, he wanted to sell hydroelectricity to these textile mills. And of course, that's exactly what happened. So that the Carolina Piedmont became one of the great centers of the textile industry. Now, that day has passed, of course, but the textile industry laid a foundation for what today is one of the most prosperous, economically advanced regions in the country.

1:29:40 Wow, man, that was 1905 when they used the dam to generate the electricity. That's like back to Tesla days almost. It's not long after Niagara Falls. Right. And what that did was that opened up the textile mills. Sure. So now the Dukes have the hospital. They have the in case your hand gets in the mill, right? In the gin and the cotton gin. The point I'm trying to make is where are you going to work? That's not Duke connected. You have the textile mills, which is running off Duke Power. You have the hospital. You have the tobacco company. And then you have the university itself.

1:30:22 And it's damn near impossible to work in a place in Durham that's not influenced by Duke. Sure. Sure. That's the same as like College Station has A ⁇ M. And there's lots of places that have that rich, rich history of multi-generations. But this one's quite unique. So I'm just setting up the opponent that this woman and the DA were going against. Oh, yeah. This is David and Goliath to the max. Are you dumb? I mean, I don't get where you're. Well, sometimes, you know, if you're really trying to run an op or something,

1:31:04 the bigger the lie, the more believable it is. And that's the point. It's like, what really happened here? Who really put that battery in Nifon's back? He knows, he knows the politics of who he's going against. Was this an inside coup? And we really have to look at that. And inside coup within Duke University? Yes. Well, no matter what, my money's on Buck. Buck Duke. You don't mess with a Buck Duke. Buck sounds like the guy to me. Yeah. So they have the textile mills, they have the hospitals, they have

1:31:47 the tobacco warehouses. They have everything wrapped up in the whole city. And this guy thinks he's going to pull one over on the Duke Lacrosse team, and it's not going to happen. So I guess what we can do is we can go ahead and jump. It's in 19A. And this is just a little fun fact. This is from the Duke University Sanford School of Public Policy. And just to go show you how some of the things that were going on in Durham are public news now. Not only were you not allowed to sell to non-Caucasians, it was prohibited for you to have a non-Caucasian spend the night unless they were a household servant.

1:32:34 In the early 1930s, the White Women's Garden Club decided that Durham was really missing a tree county. In order to make the city more attractive to people and make it more comfortable for the people who lived here, that the city should really undertake a massive tree planting campaign. What was interesting was that the only place the trees were planted were in well-to-do white neighborhoods like the one in Trinity Park that we're standing in right now here on Watts Street.

1:33:12 No tree for you. And you can see on this map, every block in the city where they planted trees like this large one right here, there were no trees planted in any of the African-American neighborhoods or any of the white working class neighborhoods. Somehow or remember this. I don't know if we had it, if we talked about it previously. No, this is in the news recently. Trees are racist. Oh, of course. Yes. I'm sorry. I'm so my history just creeps up on me. Right. So this is the whole thing now with trees being racist. That's the whole talking point. Like I said, what's happening in this case happening at Duke was

1:33:56 really a testbed for what we're seeing with woke culture right now. Huh. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Trees are racist. Trees are racist. Roads are racist. That's Durham. Because they ran, and that's true. Not the, like somebody said, the Puerto Rican buses that they were trying to take out to Jones Beach. I'm talking about they used urban development to run Durham Freeway right in the middle of Haytai, which is a, was the black Wall Street of Durham. Right. So these things are real, but these woke people trivialize them to the point where they have no, uh,

1:34:40 they lose their potency to say, oh, roads are racist or trees are racist. Um, but the thing with the trees, I don't understand why couldn't people plant their own trees? See, this is this is the point which, like you were saying, with Bitcoin or whatever else, do your own thing, plant your own trees. Don't wait for trees. Uh, don't wait for trees to show up. Right. But trees are one of the right, one of the really things that, just as a quick aside, that can show wealth. Because you can't buy a tree. I mean, you can, but it's, it's kind of like institutional wealth.

1:35:17 It's the same way. It has to be planted, grown, tended to, or you can come in and just buy the property that tree has been grown on, which basically you're buying time. Right. Right. You don't have time. You don't have time to wait for a tree to grow and you want a tree. I mean, but that lawns and trees, that's like one of the most like privileged things that you can have. Well, that kind of goes back to what the pastor said. You can be a victim or you can not feel like a victim. Right. And that's the point I was making that when people say, oh, well, Mo, why you're kind of different or whatever, it's because I was incubated

1:35:55 in an environment, one, being the home. And that's why I say family is important, a huge important component of this show. Because look at the Duke family. That was a family. They set out to have a family vision. And that's how you get to that point. Right. But just because you may not have grown up in that type of environment or that type of family doesn't mean you can't change. It's very hard. I mean, I'm not being at Duke, but I'm just saying, if you baked into your psychology that you can't do, that there's a ceiling over your head. This is a real thing. And for every Nancy Grace, I just take color out of it.

1:36:35 But for every Nancy Grace that grew up in that dirt road, there's probably 50 that said, you know, well, I'll never get past this dirt road. Right. So just going to show you that the psychological aspects of, you know, just the victimization, the things that sold in critical race theory, this is all plays into this whole case. But I had to lay it out in this way to say, okay, this is who they're going up against. And this is why they were so hated. They were representations, physical representation of this white privilege. These three boys was. All the ire was put on them.

1:37:20 This is just the windup, ladies and gentlemen. The pitch is yet to come. You know it's going to be great. I think we should take a little break here. First, the white man and the black man have to be able to sit down at the same table. The white man has to feel free to speak his mind without hurting the feelings of that Negro. And the so-called Negro has to feel free to speak his mind without hurting the feelings of the white man. Then they can bring the issues that are under the rug out on top of the table and take an intelligent approach to get the problem solved. That's the only way that they'll ever do it. Yeah. And I think we've actually been doing some of that today on the show. Yes. This is good. This is the legendary words of Malcolm X. And we're doing exactly that, sitting down and just talking about it.

1:38:03 Now, we got to talk about the value for value in which this is produced, this entire podcast, which means exactly the way it sounds. If you get any value out of listening to this, no matter what it is, that could be based upon three hours of entertainment for yourself or equivalent to a couple of courses at a university history class. class, which is what it is to me. Turn that around into a number. Send it to us, and that'll be the value. And the great thing about it is it's what the value means to you, something that you get to determine. And it is the only way that we can keep this going now. More important than ever, as Mo, you're still in limbo on

1:38:45 your company and your work. Yes, I'm still in limbo of my employment status and the value definitely is needed. But I want to make one point about this show. It's not about the downward thinking of race. That's not what the point I'm trying to make is. I'm trying to show is functioning families. Yeah. And like in multi-generational thinking is the takeaway I want people to take away from this. I'm just illustrating how these two things are colliding of people that want you to be a downward thinker and you can't achieve this and that kind of thing.

1:39:25 And then show an example of what the Duke family to say, look, they had plans for their family, you know, what it's going to be. And that's kind of the same thing. I see that in myself. I have plans for my family. And this podcast is the beginning of it. You know, it's not the end. And if everybody that sends value along, they're buying into that, you know, the bigger plan because there is a bigger plan. Yes. And it's interesting that this surrounds family because this truly is the MoFax fam. Yes, the Facts family. Facts family. It's the Facts family. And we got ideas for that.

1:40:04 Stay tuned. Also, thank you to everybody who has been diligently using one of the new podcast apps, the uncancelable, uninterruptible streaming payments of Podcasting 2.0. You can get a new app at newpodcastapps.com. There's for any platform. Personally, I like the web players. It has a Bitcoin wallet in there, and you can stream value while you're listening to it. You hit play, it starts. You hit stop, it stops. You can also send a booster gram, just like a super chat. And so we just got the software to read that. And I was trying to compile the whole list and then it went away.

1:40:45 And so I promise for the next show, I'll have a number of booster grams that people sent through. Mo, you have no idea how cool it is to see little pieces of Bitcoin come into our wallet every single minute of every single day. And that's what I'm talking about right there. That's the Ford thing. People have no clue, Adam. They have no clue how big this thing is going to be. And their value is the, you know, the gasoline is going to get us there. And we're just going to be able to do power together. And we're just stacking that. We're just letting that sit in our wallet. And that's, you know, we'll be able to maybe finance something bigger from that in the future. Not today, though, as Bitcoin is about 50,000, but we're not worried.

1:41:30 Come on, go, Bitcoin. Keep stalking, but that's about perspective. Exactly. Because if you got in 246, no, no, it's, I love that you said, I love that you said you need to grow a tree. Bitcoin is the same way. It's not an in and out, and here's, boom, here's my tree. And now I, you know, now I get the Lambo. No, no, no, no, no. This is, you know, three years, five years, ultimately 10 years. I have wallets set up for every single child in my life. And every single one of them has 1 million Satoshis in there. And sorry? I said, see? That's my point. Yeah. Well, I just started this.

1:42:12 And so it's one, it's 1 million Satoshis, which right now today is about $500. And I look at all the kids that I'm connected to. It's actually more than I thought. It's like there's like 10, 11 kids. And they're all going to get the 12 keywords upon my death or at other time in the future. And then they can do whatever they want. And no one can steal that from them. No one can take it away ever. No government, no nobody. No, nobody. That's a double essay. That's the thing right there. That's the thing. Hey, you know what? I need to do some kind of Bitcoin thing on the MoFax Entertainment Enterprises Network.

1:42:56 You should set me up. Get me in touch with the CEO. We definitely do. We definitely do. I need to talk to the CEO. All right. Now, we really appreciate people who've been sending in the fiat fund coupons. This is through the PayPal or the Cash App. This is super important because this actually is funding it while we continue to build for the future. So doing both is even better. And we've got to kick it off. We got to kick it off with Buddy Arceneaux who comes in with a highly recognizable $333.33. Yes, it's a nice row of threes. He says the Kyle episode was enlightening.

1:43:41 I still love you, Do. I still love you do. I'm not quite sure if that was meant to be there. I grew up in a lot of what you bring to the table. Please keep it going. Please give me some and everyone some goat karma. Maybe some words are dropping out. I think he'll do a Mo goat karma here. Hold on a second. You've got Mo Karma. And buddy, thank you so much, man. Big baller. That'll be in the credits in the show notes at mofacts.com. Really appreciate it. This is good, man, because Mo is stacking as well with an uncertain future. When do we know for sure? End of January, I'll have a definitive answer on the status.

1:44:26 It's leaning like it's not going to go that way. But, you know, we'll see how it goes. It's not going to go which way. I don't think they're going to reverse the status of the mandate for the corporation. I don't think so. I think that whole OSHA thing was just a tip of the hat to the company's corporation. Yeah, I agree. It seems like everyone's ignoring any lawsuits about it or anything. So anyway, the fam is with you, Mo. I appreciate every one of them. $250 and an executive producer credit for Colin McLane.

1:45:04 Mo, I appreciate you and Adam standing up against misinformation from the corrupt corporate media, proudly unvaccinated in the communist state of Washington. Respect we much. Very good. Thank you, Colin. Dance Houston, $250. Y'all swing by the Nutcracker Party. It's a Christmas family special available on Vimeo and Amazon Prime Video from $1.99. What is this, an ad? Oh, no, no, no. I know who this is. Yo, this is our producer who I think is in it or produced it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dance Houston tells the classic tale with new moves to Tchaikovsky's Nutcracker Suite rearranges hip-hop, Latin country, reggae, and rock.

1:45:45 We're doing way more than sitting down together. The amazing soundtrack is also available on all streaming platforms. So we don't have the name, but this producer also sent in a somewhat longer note to No Agenda and actually produced this Nutcracker thing. Nice. Yeah, it's like a Hamilton, only the Nutcracker. Don't put that on him. We already laughed about it. We already laughed about it. Man, we got to do a thing on Lynn Manuel. What's his name? Noriega, I always say. We've got to talk about that guy. Okay. Continuing. Lorraine Converse, who sent us a row of ducks, 222 and 22.

1:46:28 ITM Mo and Adam. Hope my note finds you in good spirits and your family's in good health. Yes, I believe we are. You don't have to read this aloud if the episode is running long. Now, come on, man. Lorraine, you're an executive producer. We read. EP. EP is. That's right. I'm sure everyone wants to hear you discuss the new topic. Then listen to my note. Well, we'll see. Many of the topics are difficult to delve into, but your discussions are measured and considered without dumbing it down or condescending to your listeners. Some past episodes have haunted me because of how brutal the reality is, and I appreciate both of you handling the details in a manner that is respectful without suppressing the truth. As a result, I have encouraged friends and families to listen, and a few have become subscribers.

1:47:11 Please D-Deadbeat me and add any other jingles you feel appropriate. Okay. Congratulations. You're no longer a deadbeat. I'll give you, how about a little bit of a bunch of people? I'm sending you tons of good awesome chief. Take that. Take that. Take that. You've got karma. And Lorraine concludes. Many blessings. Much love. Thank you for your courage. Dame Brazen Bird. Yes. Very much. On to Jason Kretchman. $200. Hello, gentlemen. Jason writes after hearing Adam reference Mo Facts on the No Agenda show several times.

1:47:52 Yeah, there I am doing the marketing. I decided to subscribe to the show, but never listened to an episode until recently. Well, not a shocker, but I waited too long. Brilliant. My favorite clip has been the trick baby dinner scene. Mind blown. You've taken me down way too many rabbit holes to count. Bill Cosby, colorism, white supremacy, and the most eye-opening, the Boulet. Boulet. Keep them coming. Jason Kretchman, Richmond, Indiana. Thanks, Jason. That's how I feel, too. And it is very cool how I think Mo and I. We're not trying to be sensitive about anything. We're just honest. When you're honest, you know, so much falls away, I think.

1:48:34 Something like that. What do you think, Mo? Yeah, the producers allow us to be honest because we don't have to cater to any advertisers. So that's the power of we could be honest by ourselves, of course, but that's the executive power that they have. So we appreciate it. That is it. That is exactly it. $200 and executive producer. EP credit for Stephen Page. Honky Lips, Rex Redbone, sending some love. All right. Love it. Cooking, Rex. Rex is always cooking something. Oh, is he? Yes. Okay. Let's see. 175.75 anonymous. Take my money, Mo.

1:49:19 This show is too empowered. He wants me to do the Adam voice. This show is too. I could have dropped the T's. No one can call me a deadbeat. Angry Hair. Okay. The People's Republic of Maryland. RLTW. Ride Like the Wind, possibly. That's what it is. Let me D-Deadbeat just in case. That's what he meant here. Yeah. Congratulations. You are no longer a deadbeat. EP credit goes to Alejandro Alcocer. $100. I'm so grateful for you, Mo and Adam. Gratitude is underappreciated in our civilization. It grants us interest in all things.

1:50:02 It lights the room you occupy, ignites your fascination, and allows you to care for all things. Gratitude acts as an antidote to violence and malice. It is essential to the advanced spirit. For if one takes gratitude seriously, it leads you to the infinite mystery of existence. Oh, man, that's deep. Thank you. P.S. I don't know how a guitar tech/slash leathersmith can be of assistance to you, but I offer my talents in addition to some treasure. Yes, time, talent, treasure. That's all we ask. That's all we need, really, to produce this podcast. We'll get back to you. A leather smith? Guitar tech. We can find work for you. We'll find something. We're ramping up. Don't worry. Mo's taking meetings. He's got a calendar.

1:50:47 He's talking to people. The booking information is in the link tree. I just let people know I had several meetings last week talking to producers. So this is a real thing. And just to go quickly back. What was her name? I lost her name there. Lorraine? Lorraine Converse. She's a project manager. I added you on No Agenda Social. We'll be talking. Nice. I'm utilizing every option given to me. It's fun seeing a new empire being built. Lovely. I'm in my cocoon.

1:51:28 David Roll, EP Credit with $100. Here's a 10 spot, 10 time spot for buying one Sherman tank round in the southern hill country of Texas. Mo, make sure you get to fire it. Adam, be the target. It will just be a flesh wound. Give blacks tanks. And you would love that, Mo. This ranch I went to. Yeah, I was hearing about that. Getting to shoot stuff. That sounds very good. Flamethrowers, driving tanks around. That was crazy. It was a very fun birthday party. GBT. Maybe for GBT. Maybe for your 50th. Maybe for your 50th, I'll let you shoot a tank. How about that? All right, man. I'm all for it. Nicholas Ray, EP with 100.

1:52:12 Love all the shows. And the lost tapes have been fire. Sorry to hear about the job, but you are destined for greater things, Moe. Stay strong, and we will continue to support you. Exactly. Facts fam. Rochelle Stowe, grateful for you both. Mo and Adam, love you guys. Keep it up. Thank you, Rochelle, for your $100. William Bullock with 100. No note, but we do appreciate it. Then we have Daniel Miller, who has two donations, which total 100 together. So I'm just going to count that as an executive producer. And I'll read these notes here. One for 75 and one for 25. Keep up the good work, guys. You guys are breaking down huge topics and defeating talking points with proof and logic.

1:52:54 You guys are making the world a better place. Thank you. And thank you. Second note, I've listened to almost all the episodes now, and the spells you guys have broken for me have been amazing. I hope this continues for a very long time and reaches many more people. And And I need to thank you very much, Daniel. And I need to thank Dreb Scott, who has been doing massive work. He's going back and doing chapters for all these previous episodes. We're going to get the transcripts in so it's all searchable. Because if there's anything I know, what I want, and maybe there's someone out there who can help with this since all the show notes are always

1:53:36 in structured XML and we have all these transcripts. It would be great if there was just one place where you could go and you type in, you know, that one. Oh, yeah, Adam and Mo were talking about this thing. And it would be a search engine and it would pop up. I know it would pop up clips. It would pop up the episode. It would pop up the transcript. That's a project we could really use because I think that's the content that you've put together for us, Mo, and the whole podcast. It's worthy of that. It's really, it's really important. And I'm guaranteed somebody's going to come up with it. And these transcripts are great because they have time codes. So you can just click on it and boom, it goes right to that spot in the podcast and you can play it and you can share it.

1:54:18 Podcasting 2.0, baby. It's what I do when I get up in the morning. Len V Nguen. Len V Wen. I know how to pronounce this more or less, I think. I'm close. 8888. And that's associate executive producership for episode number 72. Traditionally, Asians believe in reincarnation. So a number four, meaning death, turns into eight for luck and good fortune. Ah, yes, the four eights. Congrats on setting a strong new course forward.

1:54:54 8888. Also, I'd like to thank Jennifer for giving me a shout out in the last show to remind me that family means supporting each other and that we do that here at the MoFax family. I hope this support game with TAG will continue. And with that, I'll give a big shout out to Miss Judy S and Chef Spivey. Karma jingles for all. Let's do that right away. You've got MoCom. So this is Tiger Auntie. This is Tiger Auntie. She called out Judy S and our very first donator, Spivey. They're calling each other out, man. And that's I love this. This is always fun. Yes, I encourage this behavior. Keep donating and calling each other out. This is good. We need more jumping in. Do you have any family members?

1:55:40 And join the Lost Tapes Live. I mean, that's a whole nother component of the show that if you're missing it, if you have a Wednesday night, that you're free, come over and join us because these three right here, and it's one more Andrea missing. Those four are every live and they're just like cracking up, laughing, and having a good time. So Tiger Auntie gives us a PS. If you donate in PayPal, remember to donate with a balance to friends/slash family. This avoids all fees for sender and receiver. Ah, yes. Well, we are the fam, so that makes total sense. Yes. Thank you so much, Tiger Auntie.

1:56:22 Aug Famp Arts. Yes, we know Aug Famp Arcs. We've talked about them before. 8008. Thanks, Adam and Mo. I've made a pointer from faccinate.com. Oh, faccinate.com to MoFax. Cool. Factsonate.com. Nice. Bitcoin is the cure for parasitic fiat currency. Sincerely, Alexander Nuttall, yes, from Aug Famp Arts, O-G-F-O-M-K Arts. Thank you very much, Adam. That's right. John Taylor, associate executive producer credit for him was 72. That means also a coveted show donation credit right there in the show notes.

1:57:02 GBG, Woosa. Yes, we never got a give Blacks Guns jingle, did we? I think we do have one, did we? Yeah. Come on. Was it just GBG? Oh, yeah, we did. Here it is. We have a dollar. That's what I got. Was that the one? You have something? That's it. That's it. That's it. Okay. Onward to second show number donation, John Cornfirth, $72. Cornfirth, Cornforth, Cornforth. You better get it right. Cornforth. He even gives me a pronunciation guy. Yes. Mo and Adam, thank you for continuing to open my eyes to the reality we have lived.

1:57:46 Every episode is a history lesson that makes me reconsider the ideas I had and choices I made. I'm blessed with the supportive wife and two beautiful daughters. We have happily lived outside of the Matrix our entire adult lives. I know that Mo will come out of his current situation better for his decision. Aloha from currently the free. freest island in the Pacific Ocean. Please, D-Deadbeat me. Congratulations. You're no longer a deadbeat. Thank you very much, John. It's much appreciated. AEP, credit. Olaf Wolf, 6006. Thank you for all the provided information and the value.

1:58:26 You're welcome. Paul E. Lovato, $60. And he says, happy birthday, Moe. Much love to you both. That's very nice. You caught. I must have been listening to the live. Must have been watching the live to know it was your birthday. Or you jumping up and down on Twitter, probably. Christopher Bargeron, double nickels on the dime, 5510. About time I stopped being a deadbeat. Mo, the effort you put into these presentations and the smoothness of the conceptual buildups are amazing. Thank you. Adam, he says, well, you already know. Yeah, I know. I'm great at pressing these buttons. Congratulations. You're no longer a deadbeat.

1:59:07 A couple more associate executive producers for 72. Zach Welch with $55. My dude, when is Show on Whites appropriating BC? I'm thinking meeting black culture? I guess. We talk about it almost every other show. I was going to say it's kind of woven into everything. Right. It's kind of one of the pillars of the show. All right. So to be continued, Zach. Aaron Hardy, 5424. Thanks. He says, I really love the show. I heard you on the Oddcast and I've been listening ever since. Great work and God bless. Is that an appearance you had on the oddcast? Yes. When was this? More appearances to come too.

1:59:51 Thank you. You got to be texting me when you do this. You know, I'm not on Twitter enough. And you know, Twitter is racist and doesn't show me your tweets all the time. Oh, yeah. You got the feed that doesn't, I don't pierce through. I'll send it to you. And for people that want me to come on their show, the booking information is in the link tree. I don't want people to think I'm dooming and glooming over here. Now, of course, we need resources to keep the thing going, but of course, I'm staying busy. I'm not going to let anybody. No, no, no, it's called building. It's called building something. You're building something. That's what's going on here. I'm excited to watch it and be a part of it. And my calendar is like full.

2:00:32 I'm staying busy. We call that a dance card, Mo. Your dance card. Dance card. Okay. Hey, man, I've been a worker. So, I mean, this is new to me. Running an empire. Well, you're doing fine so far, my friend. Fine. Final associate executive producer, Eric Hochl, from Deutschland, I believe. $52. And no note, but we know Eric and we know him as a great producer of several other podcasts. Thank you all very much to these executive producers and associate executive producers. These credits that you get are real. They're listed in the show notes. You can use them, by the way, for anything.

2:01:13 If you want to produce any other stuff or just want to put it on your resume or even people put it on IMD, you can get on IMDB with this credit. Go ahead and look at some of the Mo Facts Press. I think we have a few who are also in there who are big time Hollywood people. This is real. We got a few more people too. But we have more? I thought we didn't. Yeah, no, it's a long list. I mean, nice and long. Oh, I'm confused. I'm sorry. Yeah, because we'll see what happens. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Came in collectively. Oh, man. I was already thinking that was it. This is great. Look at the support. All right. So, yeah, William Sola came in with, what is it, 50, 53 total?

2:01:55 Yes. 73. 50, 73. 50. Oh, yeah, 50, 73. Oh, it's the ICU donation. Yeah, the 2020. Oh, the 2020 is the ICU. Oh, I got you. Yes. Yes, yes, yes, yes. And he also says GBG, value for value. FJB, love and respect. Bill Sola. Thanks, Bill. So that is also associate executive producer credit for you. C. Davis with the 50. No note. Craig Scott, 50. Like my mom used to say, don't spend it all on candy. He is known as the Zigzag Wanderer. Edwin Torres, GBG, he says, $50.

2:02:36 Marilyn Plaza, $50. Jobs Karma for all of us that are in the same boat. Get the V or the boot. I got, quote, the email a couple of weeks ago. I had three options to answer. One, are you? Two, if so, provide proof. Oh, that's still one. Two, not yet, but will before January 4th. And three, no. and don't intend to. Went with three. Now just waiting to see what they say. It was sent the week before OSHA put a halt. Yeah, Marilyn. First of all, this is so incredibly nice that you're supporting supporting the show in your own situation. But I have to say, I really do believe in jobs karma.

2:03:21 You know, that it's, and it's really odd. It's something about what is it? It's the collective. It's the collective. Everybody wishing her well. It truly, yeah, it really is. And there's something, but there's something about, we do it on the No Agenda Show. I've been doing it for, I don't know, 10, 11, 12 years. And it's just amazing how many stories we have of people saying, I want some jobs, karma. And then it just, it just happens. And it's the collective. It's some kind of, I know, it's almost, to me, almost a religious experience. So here it is. Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs. Let's vote for jobs.

2:04:02 You've got. MoCom. So now, Marilyn, you have to let us know what happens. That is your responsibility to let us know if it works. Because I think we've only had one or two jobs karma requests on MoFax. We'll see if it works here as well. Zachary Maywood, that is, Zachary is going to be our final associate executive producer with $50, and we appreciate that, Zachary. And that is going to do it for thanking these EPs and AEPs. And a reminder that it'd be great if everybody can also start building towards the future in addition to these PayPal and Cash apps with some Satoshis with an app from newpodcastapps.com.

2:04:45 And thank you all so much for producing episode number 772. If you'd like to be an executive or associate executive producer, go to mofax.com or you can go directly to our donation page, which is mofundme.com. O-O-M-O-E-F-U-N-D-M-E.com. Thanks again for producing episode 72, MoFax with Idol Curry. All right, so to bring people up to speed, we're talking about the Duke La Crosse case. I know people like, well, Mo, you're all over the place, but it all makes sense here. And it'll all make sense in a minute because what I need to lay out was the relationship to Duke, the relationship to my hometown, this

2:05:25 fragile coexistence of this super duper power structure called Duke University, Duke Hospital, Duke Power, the textile mills, and the tobacco company, and how all that played into the environment of this Duke La Crosse case when it first came about. So hopefully I've done that well enough so people understand. And then also sitting on that pastor that worked at Duke, you know, for many years, what effect that had on me. And then also my love for Duke basketball. Now, the Duke basketball is the big draw at the university. I had to tell people this right off the bat. It's kind of like,

2:06:10 what's a rock group where the fans is bigger than the artist itself? Grateful Dead. It's kind of like the Grateful Dead. I mean, the Cameron Crazies are the bigger draw. And a lot of kids go to Duke just to be part of this group of fans. So much so that a guy recently paid a million dollars for the last for four tickets to Duke. He paid a million dollars for four tickets to the last home game against Carolina. Wow, that's not very elitist. So this tells you, I mean, and it's exclusive.

2:06:51 It's not a big stadium. It's a small, it's a small arena. So they have to actually spend a night in what's called Shaseskyville after the coach to get tickets. And I'll talk about on the other side of this, but just to give you context to it, this is Duke's Cameron Crazies. For our students and our fans, it's become like a rite of passage. Mike, it's something that you have to do. I have another little respect for the fans. And, you know, I don't take any of them for granted because, you know, they have the rules they have to follow.

2:07:34 And then the line monitors who monitor the line. I mean, they're strict. You know, it says a lot about those guys. And that's a great tradition that we have. Please get on a sidewalk in group order. I want to make sure you guys have your wristbands before we go in. Doors are opening in 15 minutes. Our tradition has always been the most dedicated students, the most passionate students should get the best seats. Cameron Crazy is a really integral part of our culture as a campus and our culture at the university. It's something that brings our entire student body together in a way that a lot of things on campus just can't, just because of the way that it's such a common experience and everybody wants to experience together.

2:08:18 Really, a lot of the graduates, I learned so much about myself being in there. I got to know my classmates or other Duke students in a great fashion. And then, Coach, thanks. We had an incredible experience in Cameron. We're trying to get it to Jalil. Does over the top up strong and punches it all to the right hand. We do our best to research the opponents. We research their strengths, their weaknesses, kind of embarrassing facts about them, and anticipating what would get under their skin the best. And making sure that people are being loud enough, people are cheering, making sure that there's good coordination between the side undergraduate sections and the two graduate ends is a very important part of our job and it's something that we take very seriously.

2:09:04 And that's something that, you know, that's been going on for ages here. And some of these, this camping, this like months? Months they're camping up. Yes. Wow. This is the draw. This is what makes, besides the academic stuff, but this is what makes Duke a $100,000 a year school because it's a finite amount of games. It's rock star celebrity. And this is what made Duke nervous because you have a black woman getting raped by white athletes on your campus where your biggest money maker is most of the time led by black basketball players running up and down this court for free.

2:09:49 And then you have the whole NCAA slavery conversation. It was just, they want this thing to go away immediately. Yeah. Yeah, I can understand. And of course, Nike's lurking in the background. I forgot all about those guys. Of course, because Nike pays Coach K, which he recruits the players. The players play for free. Of course, they get a. Now, is that all okay and legal for the coach to get paid by Nike? Yes. That's crazy. I mean, this is the power strike. Like I said, this

2:10:29 gives the imagery of slavery. You have a white guy having four or five black. I mean, usually Duke has one or two white players, I mean, starters. So you have four or five black guys running up and down the floor. And it's a bigger issue for the NCAA. But Duke is like their crown jewel, right? It's this, it's the perfect, they're the perfect enemy. They have the Cameron Crazies, as he said, they go and look for stuff to troll the other players about or your mom's whatever on drugs or where army boots. Whatever it is, they're going to make signs and stuff about it. And that's another reason why people hate Duke.

2:11:13 They literally, when I say people hate Duke, I mean people hate Duke. So this plays into it. And the most hated person of all kind of like an icon of what Duke is all about was Christian Leightner. I hated Christian Leighton. He was a bad dude, but he could back it up with his plays. It was good versus evil. He didn't like it. I wanted to jump down and punch the dude in the face because people say sports is goody-goody touchy-feely. It's not. What if I told you? Haters gotta hate. ESPN Films presents a 30-foot-30 film.

2:11:57 I hate Christian Leitner. Sunday, March 15th at 9 on ESPN. Okay, now you're in territory that is very, very foreign to me, Mo. That's why they had a whole special about, what was that, 92? So this came out maybe less than, maybe like maybe 15, 16 years ago, I believe. The guy's out of college, done with basketball, and people still hate him to this day because he was the ideal person to hate. Like he was this preppy white guy, but really good at basketball. And it was like, you go to Duke, you have a silver spoon in your mouth.

2:12:36 But I'm highlighting this to say this is the energy that was behind the trial. Like, yes, we got him. We got the Duke guys. You know, we're going to take them down. And no, they're douchebags. They're preppy boys. boys. We got them. Right. And that was that was why the media latched on to hating Duke because you have like this high, like I said, highly educated and then highly winning team. And Coach K himself, I mean, he was known for cussing out revs. He came out under Bobby Knight. So he was that kind of guy. I don't know if you know about Bobby Knight. Yeah, sure. And yeah. And there could be some NK Archer kind of things going on with Coach K, but I won't go there because he did come from military.

2:13:21 Oh, boy. Come on. Come on, Moe. I'm so disappointed. Not going there. No, no, I'm not going because I don't have the facts there. I'm just saying, I'm just kidding. Yeah, I'm just saying that it's some to have that high level of influence over. I'm not talking about just pro, I mean, college players. Right. He coached the dream teams. And everybody would come back like, oh, I'm so much better because of Coach K. So there's some stuff there. I mean, there's some just some tidbits there that you could probably run with. But we have Jalen Rose of the Fab Five. I don't know if you heard of the Fab Five or not, but they were like five freshmen that play at Michigan, right?

2:14:02 And they were like the hip-hop team in the 90s. They had like the ball heads and the black socks and everything about them just like saying just spoke to hip-hop. So Jalen Rose, he hated Duke as well. And he's on record here talking about how he hated Duke and Christian Leitner and Grant Hill. The first year, the Fab Five with all freshmen go to the NCAA championships. That is crazy. It's never happened before. It'll never happen again. And you guys hated Duke. Yeah. Despised him. You actually called the black players at Duke House Negroes.

2:14:46 That was the young me speaking. Yeah. This was the inner city kid from Detroit that felt like I wasn't getting an opportunity based on my zip code and the financial standing of my family. But you were in a fairly high opportunity situation at that time, though, weren't you? I mean, you were going to the NCA finals, you know, in a spectacular team. And when the season ended in April or May, I was right back in the hood. Gotcha. Staying at my mother's crib that I grew up in. Gotcha.

2:15:27 The same environment. The entire world gets to see me on the big stage, rocking the big shorts, black shoes, black socks. People naming their kids Jalen that's now in the NFL or the NBA. People rocking the Hirachis. Right back on the block. That made you better. Of course it did. So this goes to show you how the kids from Michigan, the Fab Five, the, you know, the hip-hop basketball players, they hated the Duke players.

2:16:04 I keep saying that, but you can hear it ingrained in, and it's not they hated them personally, but it's like, oh, man, and this is where the hate comes from now. This is what you're seeing now. That like, oh, let the world burn kind of thing. Like, you know, tax the rich, eat the rich. This was the mentality then. And it was just a was it? Was anybody really noticing this, or is this just hindsight where it's so obvious when you put it all together? I mean, did you feel this at that moment the way you do now? Yes, because that's the thing. But being a black Duke fan, you kind of get the same mentality. I mean, kind of, oh, you're a House Negro.

2:16:47 You like the white man's team, especially in North Carolina, because the opposite would be the state university. It's obvious. USUNC. It's obvious the problem with race in America is all surrounding one thing. We have to ban basketball. That'll never happen, especially on Tobacco Road. And I could even be, I won't even have that conversation with you. No, but it's a representation of they have it all, right? It's like you can't be rich and good at basketball. I mean, like, geez, leave, leave basketball for the poor, for the poor guys, right?

2:17:30 So that's what really is, and they were good. They were really good. And the coach was really good. And it's just built the hate up for the team to the point where he got frustrated that he called Grant Hill. The Duke. the Duke basketball team, predominantly white players. Here's the thing: it would be you have like three black players and two white players. So you think it would be the perfect representation of, but Coach K would only take certain kind of black players. Oh, what is that? So that's what that's where you get the House Negro thing from. But his thing was, you had to understand

2:18:14 order. You had to understand discipline. Discipline. I mean, he came from West Point. That's the thing. And that equated to most of the time, his players had fathers. That would be the difference. You know, it's changed over time because, I mean, with time, you have to gravitate. But in the heyday of Duke, and when it was going, like, when it was really big, and it was really a patriarchal system of guys that were raised by men. So that's why you had the hate and Grant Hill being one. And just from

2:18:55 the same time, so people are mad about one thing, but then they make it about something else. And so they take it out by trying to destroy the. So if Duke is the family, Duke represents Duke is the. I'm trying to put this together. Epitome of whiteness. Well, the epitome of the white generational wealth structure. So if Duke by itself is a family, then destroying all families is kind of like a metaphor for destroying all of the problems that we have. Well, destroying Duke, well, a takedown of Duke would have been a takedown of the patriarchy.

2:19:39 Right. Right. But proves at the same time, I'm just saying, is it because of this Duke as an example that, oh, well, clearly we can't have any families, any families, just no families. We can't have families because it always turns into some power structure piece of crap. And so that all families have to be destroyed. Right. It's male-led. You have to get rid of male leadership. And which way to do it is make them scared. So they are now. So what kind of pussies are these Duke guys that they're letting women ruin their lives, ruin their family? No, well, they're not. And that's the thing. You're going to see them stand. This is going to be like Hamburger Hill.

2:20:19 They're not going to lose the Hill. But just to give context to what he's saying about House Negro, we got to go back and listen to Malcolm X and define a House Negro from the Field Negro. Back during slavery, when black people like me talked to the slave, they didn't kill him. They sent some old House Negro along behind him to undo what he said. You have to read the history of slavery to understand it. There were two kinds of Negroes. There was that old House Negro and the Field Negro. And the House Negro always looked out for his master. When the field Negroes got too much out of line, he held them back in check.

2:21:00 He put him back on the plantation. The house Negro could afford to do that because he lived better than the field Negro. He ate better, he dressed better, and he lived in a better house. He lived right up next to his master in the attic or the basement. He ate the same food his master ate and wore his same clothes. And he could talk just like his master, master. Good addiction. And he loved his master more than his master loved himself. That's why he didn't want his master hurt. If the master got sick, he'd say, what's the matter, boss? We sick when the master's house caught a fire, he tried to put the fire out. He didn't want his master's house burned. He never wanted his master's property threatened. And he was more defensive of it than the master.

2:21:43 Well, that was a house Negro. Classics. So this equates to black white supremacists. This is what you're seeing now with Larry Elders and Candice Owens and anybody that has, you know, speaks well or uses like logic or that kind of thing. It's like, oh, you're saying you're a sellout. You're a House Negro. That's what the kind of thing was with the Duke basketball team. We used to look at a Grant Hill. He came from a good household. His dad was a professional football player. They didn't celebrate. They didn't know, you know, they were very professional in the way they carry things.

2:22:23 And that was like Thorne. You know, you're supposed to dance after you slam dunk. And it's, and it's really the thing, the thing was, was why? Because I'm black, you expect me to dance after I have a good play, right? I mean, it's, it's, there's the real. real racism. It's the expectation that I'm supposed to dance or celebrate after I score. You know, like that's the black thing to do. You know what I'm saying? You understand what I'm saying? Like, it's, it's, it was a real, I identify more with Duke of being hard work and, you know, making a smart play and not the stylish play. All these things baked into the little mo. Because I moved to Durham when I was 10, 11 years old.

2:23:08 And this is right when Duke started winning, right? And Grant Hill was there. And I saw this guy that was like, no, like, just good. I mean, he was really good. And me coming from a small town, North Carolina, moving to Durham was like, this is the first time I ever had to live in a city that actually had a sports team that you could see on TV. But it was like, no, you can't cheer for Duke. Why not? You know, that's the white team. They're racist. Right. That was, I mean, no, that's the, that's, it would be just for context. It would be me in a room with maybe 15 people watching the game, and I would probably be the only Duke fan.

2:23:49 Wow. This is a very introspective episode because this is part of the thick skin. It's like, I'm looking at them like, they're good. The way they're playing is good, and that guy's good. And I identify with him. And people are like, why are you not a North Carolina fan? Why are you from North Carolina? Like, I'm from Durham. And Duke's in Durham. That's why I'm a Duke fan, right? So, right, right. But just being in that environment where, you know what I'm saying, you would get trolled. Like, don't lose. Don't be the only Duke fan there, y'all losing. Oh, you're going to be, you know, you're going to be trolled so hard, but this is what kind of, like, I have a thick skin. I know sports sound very superficial, but it played a part a lot into who I am personally.

2:24:38 Because I think I don't care how good you are, I can outwork you. You know what I'm saying? I can out-hustle you. I can out, you know, that's what Duke was known for, just hard defense and out-hustling. They didn't have the best players, but they worked as a team. And Coach K would say that this fist thing, if you all worked as a fist, you know what I'm saying? Like, because it's five players in the basketball scene, you could be anybody. And that's the mentality that was shaped on me. But when you had that kind of mentality, and that's kind of like what Kanye dealt with, right? It was that, oh, you're not street enough. You're not hood enough. You're not tough enough. That kind of thing. So all this bakes into me as a person. And so to see this unfold the way it did, it's like, hold on.

2:25:21 It's the same way now. It's like, honey, you want me to get rid of families because families are white? Like, that makes no sense. But that's the ideology that's going along with it. But I don't want to be long about it, but I want you exactly what I just said. Jalen Rose is going to verify what I just said. Right. You kind of singled out Grant Hill, who came from a rich family, college-educated parents. I think his dad played professional sports. Yeah, Calvin Hill was a beast. Yeah. And you were just jealous of him, basically. Yeah, I was jealous. And so it's almost like the movie Face Off.

2:26:03 Was it John Travolta and Nicholas Cage in that movie, right? Or even like another one like Ricochet. I remember Denzel was in a movie kind of like that. Where it was, where it's like you see somebody, you're the A or the B side, however you see it. And you see somebody that has all of the things that you want. And you ready for this, Vlad? And then you think they're soft because you grew up in a hood and you poor, right? This is what I learned a long time ago. Your haircut, how you wear your pants, how you speak, your appearance, that don't make you hard.

2:26:45 And by the way, it don't mean nothing to be tough anyway. The best player, the most talented player ever at Duke is Grant Hill. The most accomplished player is Christian Leighton. So this is why I sided with Duke because I had a dad. Like I was more identified with Grant Hill than Jalen Rose because I had a dad and people were like, oh, well, you don't know what the streets is about because you live in, you're saying you live in a nice neighborhood or your dad's a teacher. Your mom's a social worker. So you don't know the struggle. And it's like, hold on. Right.

2:27:22 What? And so I'm just letting this be known that this process of what y'all see now, this was baked in, like I said, 11, 12 years old. And this is why. this is why the woke culture comes for sports. It's a reason why they attack sports. Like, people might be thinking this show is trivial and, like, oh, why are they talking about sports and basketball and Duke La Crosse? No, no. And, you know, I'm really just being very quiet because I don't know a lot about sports, but I'm learning an awful lot just listening to you. Yeah, because it's you have a coach, which is kind of like the dad, and he tells you what to do and where to be at and how to move.

2:28:05 And if you don't play by his rules, you can get sit on the bench and he'll bring up somebody more deserving to be on the floor. Like, that's what they don't want to teach young men. Right. It's like they want equity, not equality. And I keep stressing that point. They want equal outcomes. You know, if you don't play hard, you don't deserve to win. And sports is the representation of that. And that's why they want to destroy sports. That's why every time they try to destroy this, whoever it is they, they want to come at the sports. And Duke, the Duke LaCrosse case was perfect because it's the white rapists.

2:28:46 You got sports baked in by association. You got Duke basketball associated with Duke LaCrosse. You know, La Crosse itself is, it's like an elite within an elite. Because in high school, my team, my school was like the only team in the county that had a lacrosse team. And you had to pay to play. It was a club. It wasn't us. It was like most of my high school sports is freaked. No. La Crosse is the elite of the elite. So they were like, yes, we got him. We got some white boys from Duke and we can associate everything to Duke go with it. And then in doing so, we could take down the patriarchy.

2:29:26 Wow. And that's why I'm saying this is what we're seeing now in 2021. And it's funny that Cal Rittenhouse only thinks got a dad. I mean, of course he has a dad, but well, still broken home. Still a little bit, a little bit of the goodness there. But he was associated with the patriarchy. Yeah. It's like, this dude doesn't have a dad. So I'm just going to show you, like, this is how buying their money. Yeah, well, now it's just media programming. I mean, nothing has to be true. That's the beauty of this. The assumption is he's a white guy, so he has a dad. You know how racist that is? Because the inverse you're saying is if you're black, then you don't have a dad.

2:30:09 Exactly. Exactly. And I'm just showing you this. This is, I think this was a coup and these next clips, I think this came from within the Duke campus, this push to take these lacrosse players down. And we're going to hear so in clip number, let's start with number 26. What was remarkable is that lots of figures within the media, within the Duke faculty, and to a certain extent within the Duke administration, not only presumed the players to be guilty, but then drew these very broad moral judgment. It was a completely closed-minded early approach to the case.

2:30:56 My name is Casey Johnson. I'm a professor of history at Brooklyn College and the CUNY Graduate Center. I wrote a blog on the Duke La Crosse case called Durham in Wonderland and co-wrote a book on the case with Stuart Taylor called Until Proven Innocent. During spring break, when most of the students at Duke were off campus, the captains of the La Crosse team came up with the not-so-bright idea of inviting two strippers to perform for the players. One of them was this woman, Crystal Mangum, who we subsequently learned had very severe mental problems.

2:31:36 She arrived. She had no particular interest in performing. It appears as if she was on some sort of combination of alcohol and prescription drugs. And the party relatively quickly turned ugly. There was a shouting match between the other dancer and members of the team. By this point, most of the guys had already left. Wow. So this is where mental health comes into it. Yeah. This victim, and that's why I haven't talked about her very much, but this alleged victim was a pawn. The powers of the beast saw her as this. Go ahead.

2:32:16 It's very clear that she wasn't a credible witness, but politics kicked in. It's the same thing with the Rittenhauer case. Like I said, these things. things, these two things are like mirror images, but the hard thing about Rittenhauer, he didn't have the institutional wealth, but that's why I said when the $2 million came through for his defense fund, he had a fighting chance to get out of it. So ultimately, for the love of money, is the root of all evil because everything boils down to money in these cases. Yes. It's jealousy, all of it, all of it, all of it.

2:32:59 But it's a structural problem. It's a structural issue of I got screwed and I'm owed. And it's being played into. I'm not quite sure exactly why the woke, the woke culture, I mean, it's just, it doesn't seem like it would ever be powerful enough to take down these types of institutions. Are they just trying to carpet bomb with as much as possible all the time? Yeah, it's a continuous struggle. Right. It's not going to be one hit that takes them down. No. But this was a big hit because if you could get, just take the original story. 20 lacrosse players raped black students. No, the story.

2:33:42 Well, this was also a story, not stripper student, but this was also an exercise in media manipulation, propaganda, psychological operation. Maybe even more so than anything to see how far we could push people into believing. Again, remember, there are things that I didn't even know about the case. Yes, but it wasn't. That's because the established media, establishment media, wasn't in on it like they are now.

2:34:18 Right. See, the order was different then. CBS won a Peabody for their coverage of this case because they were quickly exposing the facts to be true. This is the difference now. Like they have completely, and I think John always references this on No Agenda Show. Like they've hired so woke that the kids that were going to school now, so just like 2006, it's 2020 now. Those kids that graduate in 2006 are 14 years into their career. And because this is a, I mean, Duke is putting out a lot of high-level professionals.

2:34:59 Yeah. And they're going off to be woke in these companies. And now when they go to the New York Times or CBS, they have woke allies that will run with the story, which at the time, they didn't have that kind of leverage. And you had to go to your Nancy Graces of the World. So she was trying to make a name for herself as well. I think we stopped at what, two? Is that one? Yeah, number two is out. And then the second dancer, a woman named Kim Roberts, drove off. And in a normal circumstance, no one ever would have heard of this again. But as Roberts drove off, she found out that her fellow dancer had passed out.

2:35:43 She called the police to come and get Mangum to take her either home or to a psychological institution. Mangum, when she was awakened by the police, she was going to be admitted to a psychological institution and was prompted improperly by a nurse who asked her whether she had been raped. And Mangum, who knew the system well, said yes. She was sent to Duke Hospital and she made an allegation. We saw a kind of mob mentality that took hold of the activist wing of the Duke faculty, which culminated in an April 2006 statement signed by 88 Duke faculty members called the Group of 88, in which before any charges even had been filed, these

2:36:30 88 faculty members took out an ad, a full-page ad, in the Duke Campus newspaper. They unequivocally asserted that something had happened to Crystal Mangum. She was claiming rape. The lacrosse players said nothing happened. They said that they would continue their activism regardless of what the court decided or what the police said. And they thanked public protesters for not waiting and making themselves heard. And the highest profile public protest that had occurred at that point had been a march in front of the captain's house in which a protester had carried large signs urging the castration of the lacrosse captains.

2:37:12 So this was a complete abandonment of any pretense of objectivity, of any interest in the truth. It's starting to make sense. make sense now. Yeah, oh, yeah, totally. 88 faculty members signed on before even anything, any information was known, basically, and celebrated the protesters saying, you know, whether we're right or wrong, we applaud you for protesting. How does that happen? What do you mean? It's a coup. This was a coup. They were trying to get a lot of people. But that's a, that's, I mean, that's a lot, man. That's unbelievable.

2:37:56 Right. And this is why I'm saying one DA didn't decide to throw his career away. You know what I'm saying? For a political couple. Right. Yeah, yeah. But it doesn't make sense. We understand the good old boy network. Trust me. When you live in a town like Durham, you understand. You come at Duke. You can get canceled, canceled. I mean, you see the kind of power that they have. But they still, those 88 still said, no, activists, protest, protest out in front of the frat house. Castrate them.

2:38:39 Like I said, this is a glimpse into where we're at now. That I actually remember. I remember the castrate, the castrate them thing. Somehow that I and that's not going to, but that's rep that's representative of what? Castrating the patriarchy. Oh, yeah. Take their manhood away from. So, and I could say, I'm not going to play these games like, you know, that the stigma wasn't there that Duke was racist. Cause that's why I played the clips for my pastor. They did look like, look at not particularly these two women because they're black, but these two poor women. Yeah. That, you know what I'm saying? Like their objects. Come over here and entertain us. Shake it up.

2:39:20 You know what I'm saying? Do what we tell you to do kind of thing. So there was some kind of authority there that they were trying to flex in and privilege to say, okay, yeah, we can just call in strippers and you're our entertainment. You do what we tell you to do. Well, just just to be fair, that is kind of the relationship between escorts/slash strippers who do house calls and the customers. It's not, you know, this has a whole racial element to it. It does come in. I'm very careful. I'm very careful because coming from Amsterdam, I also understand that industry.

2:40:09 And we have to humanize what they're doing as well. It's not always desperation. But no, no. Some women choose to do it because it's a lifestyle. That's the point. I mean, it's a choice. It's my body and I can monetize any way I want. But part of the point is that part of that deal is the, you know, do what I say, take your clothes off. It's a sick game when you look at it kind of in that way. But I'm just saying that to me, it's not the best example of objectifying a person.

2:40:45 That's like a contract to objectify. No, what I mean by objectify is that this is part of the college experience to come here and do these kind of things. Okay, I'm sorry. I forgot these are a bunch of 18-year-old turds. You're right. I'm sorry. I forgot about this. Right. I mean, it was the point. It was the point. It wasn't having to do anything about sex, I believe. It was the point of the entertainment. Yeah. You're our entertainment. The same way they look at the basketball players and run up and down the court. You're our entertainment. I mean, it's part of the amenities. It's just, it's so difficult for me because growing up in the Netherlands, you know, at the impressionable age, let's say going from 13,

2:41:29 prostitution and these types of things were no longer so, but were considered very normal parts of normal day life. So I have a very different experience in general. Like this, it's hard to explain. It's just, I have no cultural reference to any of this. But it was a rite of passage to go to the strip club as well for young men in Durham to go over to a club called Brothers 3. Of course. So, I mean, like I said, it's not the point about the sex aspect of it. It was just that the power that, you know, it's the power structure, not the sexual aspect of it.

2:42:09 Yes. So again, uniquely not Dutch. So that doesn't exist. Like, like Porkies, you know, the movie Porkies. That was a shit. huge, that was, but that was a huge hit in the Netherlands. And everyone go like, wow, they're crazy in America. But that's what those young boys were going to college to experience. That Porky's experience. That's the collegiate or animal. Was it Animal House? Yeah, and shall I tell you, this is one of the main reasons why I dropped out of college because I got there. I wanted to learn communications. I wanted to be on the radio. I wanted to do management stuff for the radio.

2:42:52 And all I was just porkies. And I called my mom and said, I got to leave here. This is not for me. So now you understand my context. And you know what? That's why I've switched colleges three times for the same reasons. Yeah, right. You were never on campus, right? You lived off campus. Right. So it was like, I went to college. I went to class, not college. Right, exactly. Because I found college to be very, I don't know. It sounds like it can corrupt a lot of people easily. This is where the Illuminati and all this begins. I mean, it's. Uh-oh. I think we got to calm down on explaining how it all works, Mo.

2:43:32 No, this is, but this is the power. This is the power structure. This is the... You're right. It doesn't matter what grades you make. It's who your roommate is. It's what fret you're accepted to. This is the real power structure. And this is why people on the outside hate them. This is why the admission scandal got more attention than the Ghislaine Maxwell case gets attention. We want to see rich people burn that we don't like. If we like you, it's cool. You know what I'm saying? If it's rich people that we don't like, we want to see you burn.

2:44:11 That's where Nancy Grace was coming from. Like these rich, you know, preppy boys, let them burn. It's equity. You know what I'm saying? Like, right, it's a matter. It's the same outcome. Like, you know, so it's equal outcome. Like, you know, enough innocent, no, enough non-white people that went to jail. We need some white ones to go to jail. Even though if they're innocent or not. Got it. That's the mentality. So I think we stopped at two. Let's go ahead and get in three. There were three elements that proved Mangum lied. The first and by far the most important was the DNA. Mangum's story was that she was sexually assaulted for 30 minutes by a group of people who did not use condoms.

2:44:51 In such an assault, DNA would be left behind. And she was immediately taken to the hospital. DNA samples were taken from all 46 white lacrosse players and there were no matches to any 46. The second were the descriptions. Mangum did describe the people who attacked her. Those descriptions didn't resemble in any way any of the lacrosse players. And the third were the inconsistencies within Mangum's story. Mangum looked at a number of different photo arrays. There was only one lacrosse player that she positively identified as being at the party in every single photo array that she looked at.

2:45:33 The problem is that that was one lacrosse player who could prove that he was never in Durham. He actually wasn't in Durham County the night of the party. And that information was shared with prosecutors. So the prosecutors knew before they went forward that they had a wholly unreliable witness whose descriptions didn't match her alleged attackers and where there was no medical basis to advance to substantiate her charges. Okay, there you go. So no DNA. The story didn't make any sense. And for me, when the details started coming out, I'm like, hold on. First of all, when they said 20 guys,

2:46:12 what? Like, that didn't even make sense. And, but there's no physical evidence. You know, so when these things start coming out, you know, you just start looking side out. But on the ground, things were still tense. You know, because it was the matter of regardless if they're guilty or not, they were going to get away with it either way. Yeah. So that's, that's what we're attacking. That was the mind. That was the mindset. And I think that was the mindset of the group of 88. It's like, let's get them because if it's not now, they'll do it again. Yeah. They're going to do something. Which is a very dang, like I said, this is very dangerous because when we look at cases like

2:46:53 Brian Banks at the same time, around the same time, he was a high school football player that got accused by a classmate of rape, Juanita Gibson, another black woman. He was black. He did like five years in jail. I mean, and this narrative is baked in. I mean, anybody could tell you, oh, I know a guy. heard of a guy, right? You know, an athlete that, you know, got caught in the wrong dorm, and now he's doing, you know, five to ten on a rape charge. Sure. So it's like, how did they get away with it? You see what I'm saying? Like, this is where the frustration came from from people that wanted to believe the story and was being duped by the media.

2:47:35 It's like, you know, our guys never get away with this. And now they're going to, and then you have the DA playing to the crowd the same way it was in the Rittenhouse case. Hmm. So, all right. Well, let's just continue a little bit. I don't want to, I don't want to stop the flow. Okay, number 29. I am not going to allow Durham's view and the mind of the world to be a bunch of stop stop lacrosse. This is Mike Nighthon speaking. So I just want to let this is him speaking at the beginning of the clip. So I just want to let people know that.

2:48:13 I am not going to allow Durham's view and the mind of the world to be a bunch of lacrosse players from Duke raping a black girl in Durham. Nifong as prosecutor seemed to be functioning as if his goal in the case was to violate as many different ethical procedures as he possibly could in one case. So, you know, he ordered the police to run this rigged photo lineup that contained only photos of lacrosse players, so anyone mangum picked could be charged. He conspired with the former head of a DNA lab to ensure that

2:48:57 the lab head would not fully report his DNA results, results which were exonerating of the players. He lied in open court to a judge for which he eventually was held in criminal contempt and was sent to county jail for one day. He issued a barrage of inflammatory public statements which violated ethical rules for prosecutors. So Nightrong's behavior was extraordinarily bad. Wow, man. How does it? You know, it's not coordinated, but still it's like something that bonds and connects all these actors.

2:49:42 It's what do you mean? Can you explain a little bit? Well, it's kind of like the meta version of that is where the globalist world order, the new world order, it's not really coordinated, but it's so mutually beneficial that people kind of, you know, the pharmaceutical industry works nicely along with what the banks need covered up, works nicely along with politicians who need power. You know what I mean? It's not like really coordinated, but it all just kind of flows together. It's a shared goal. Shared goal. Yeah, there you go. It's a shared goal.

2:50:18 And the shared goal is those, the liberal professors, I believe, got with, you know, the DA in some kind of way in a back channel. And like I said, this is speculation here. I just want to make that clear. But as the guy said, he was going through all the red lights to say, you know, yeah, we're going to rig the DNA. We're going to rig the lineup. Yeah. We're going to do all of this. And this is just for some clarity. People were saying this was due to him having a highly contested primary that was coming up in a couple of months. And he was playing to the black crowd to say, oh, we're going to give some Duke white boys.

2:51:03 You know what I'm saying? Vote for me. Hey, was Soros funding this Nifong at the time? No, I don't think he might have been. But I'm sure Soros has his hands somewhere in Duke. I'm sure of it because with the grants and that kind of thing, I mean, I'm sure he probably has his not him himself, but that ilk, that collective of these woke professors. And like I said, this was the first glimpse, this glimpse of it for them to go against their university that cuts their checks to say, no, we're going to take out full-page ads that take down these guys.

2:51:42 And the universe is like, what the hell's going on? Don't you realize? Like, you're about to open a whole can of race worms over here. And we got all this free labor, which is our number one source of entertainment for the campus. You can't do that. Right. And it's even a bigger picture for the NCAA. Like I said, we can't forget that amateur athletics is just like almost slavery. You heard Jalen Rose say. say, once he's done, he goes back home for something. Exactly. Back to the hood. So you make millions and millions and billions of dollars off of me, and I can't make any of it because of your rules. Whatever came of that from a couple, I don't know, about a year or so ago, maybe a little bit longer,

2:52:28 to allow college athletes to be paid. Yeah, they can be paid now. That's done now. It's still some gray. I mean, it's. Well, it's not like they weren't getting cars and apartments and stuff like that, but yeah, but if they got caught, the player would get in trouble. Right. What? Isn't that funny? The coach could just quit and go to another job and get another job. And the penalties would stay with the school, and the player would get penalized, but not the coach.

2:53:06 It was the perfect system. And this is a system that people were trying to highlight, which is a real, I mean, it's a real racket there. But at the same time, they're doing it for dubious reasons because they know if they take down sports, that takes down a lot. Masculinity, those things. I mean, the same thing with the trans athletes and that kind of thing. It's not the point of you trying to celebrate trans people and their athletics. It's like, we'll destroy the sports trying to ruin sports across the board because sports is not equitable. Right. It's all about, you know, it's a meritocracy. Well, someone wins. Someone wins in sports.

2:53:47 That's not cool. And at the same time, this is when you start seeing sports not give trophies. This was the no-trophy era. Yeah. Where everybody gets a trophy. Right. So let's go ahead and get to the last clip, number 30. It was, I think, unprecedented the sort of behavior that we saw from the Duke faculty. And we very, you know, I can't think of another instance in modern higher education in which faculty members essentially chose to exploit their students' distress to advance a campus pedagogical agenda, to sort of push their own

2:54:22 ideological vision and to abandon any pretense of supporting fairness, due process, the dispassionate evaluation of evidence. So there were multiple villains in this case. The worst of them was knifelong in terms of the degree of the misconduct. But if we want to look at unprecedented conduct, I think the focus would be on the Duke faculty. The Times coverage, which was both relentless and one-sided, there were more than 100 articles or opinion columns in the Times about the La Crosse case, set the stage for the national media that, look, these guys must be guilty because it's the New York Times which is saying it.

2:55:09 And if the Times is saying it, it must be true. I don't think they want a lie detector test because they're afraid they won't pass a lie detector test. And I may be the last person willing to take the heat because the victim is certainly taking a beating, as is Mike Nyfong. And it's really unconscionably unfair. This was a case that served differing agendas of differing groups. For Niflong, he wanted guilt because it would help his cause in the primary. For the Duke faculty members, portraying their own students as racist advanced an on-campus agenda of making more hires, dealing with topics of race, class, and gender, and requiring more courses in race, class, and gender.

2:55:50 And for the New York Times, this was a case that fit very much the basic assumptions of a typical Times journalist, that white male athletes were out of control, both sexual and racial connotations, and that advancing this would sort of advance a broader ideological agenda of the times. And so it was almost a perfect storm of a case in which a variety of different groups could exploit the case for their own purposes. It's a really, really good historical compendium of how we got to where we are today. And I'm sure there's other stops along the way, but man, is this a big part of 2006?

2:56:38 So long ago. This goes to show you that the apparatus was ready. Oh, no, this, and this is long game, man. This is real long game. Yeah. And that's the whole point of it is that they lay in wait for the perfect opportunity to rear their heritage up for their personal gain. And at the expense, let's remember this, the reason why I want to keep bringing this up, at the expense of a mental. mentally ill black woman, yeah, like they don't care who they use, it doesn't, it doesn't care. You know, um, they just threw her out there, they knew her story didn't hold water, they didn't seek to give her help.

2:57:20 They said, Okay, we can use her uh for our own gain. And this goes to show you with the door. This is the clear-cut case of hold the door, yeah, uh, hold the door and let us come right on in. And they were going to push all their feminist and uh different agendas on the back of this black woman, which that goes to show you. And it's the weird thing is the weird paradigm is the liberal students used her as the object. Oh, yeah, of course, of course. That's that's that is the crazy part of all what's going on now, too. Right, they didn't care about Jojo, they didn't care about any of those things, they didn't care about none of these.

2:58:03 Like, JoJo, it's just who can we just use, chew up, spit out, and keep moving. So, well, maybe one day people will uh get hip to this. Well, we had to look backwards to see forward. Like, now, if we just looked at this case before the Rent House case, then we knew what kind of what was going on totally. This is really I love it, I'd love it when you do this to me, Mo. I love this, you know what else I love? I like brand new money. I just don't want any money around me. It's not, I'd almost rather have a new one than a brand than an old 20. That's kind of dumb. But there's something about new money that excites you. You like $100 bills? Oh, man. I like old money too.

2:58:48 Oh, most beautiful thing on earth is a $100 bill. I haven't seen a woman as good looking as a $100 bill. There's something about a $100 bill that excites you. Yeah. Now, we can't give you any financial advice, but what we're doing is we're stacking sats. So that's the new money of the day. That's the long term. That's for the buildup of the empire. In the meantime, and you can do that with some of the new podcast apps we talked about. We definitely need the full-on support through PayPal and Cash App. And we do have a number of producers still to thank. This was a lot of people donated for this show, Mo. And this warms my heart, man. I love to see this. It really did.

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3:05:52 And let's keep that and the lives going. We continue to build the MoFax Entertainment Enterprises Empire. And thank you all again for supporting us here for episode number 72. I'm not crying for the Duke LaCrosse players because whenever you come for the power structure, be prepared for the backlash. And there was definitely a backlash. As I said before, CBS won a Peabody for its 60 Minutes coverage of the Duke LaCrosse case, and they were all on the story debunking to protect the Duke University and the prestige that comes along with it.

3:06:35 So just an example of that. Let's get into number 32. More than six months ago, Duke University and the city of Durham, North Carolina were rocked by charges that Duke LaCrosse players raped an exotic dancer at a teen party. 60 Minutes correspondent Ed Bradley got exclusive interviews with the three players charged in the case. case, including former co-captain Dave Evans. Do you ever think that if this does go to trial, that if you're convicted, you could face a lot of time in prison? Do you ever think about that? Would you? Sure. 30 years I could go to jail for something that never happens based on a lie.

3:07:17 Ed Bradley's here with us this morning. Good morning, Ed. Good morning, Hannah. You spoke to all three of these young men. Are they scared? They've all said they're innocent. I think that they do have some fear. As Dave says, he's looking at 30 years in prison for something he says he didn't do. Based on the evidence, they feel they shouldn't be in this position. So they feel confident that they're innocent. You've also spoken with the other dancer who was there that night, along with the accuser, a young lady named Kim Roberts. Let's take a look at that. In the police statement, she describes the rape in this way. Three guys grabbed Nikki. That's you. Brett, Adam, and Matt grabbed me. They separated us at the master bedroom door while we tried to hold on to each other.

3:08:00 Brett, Adam, and Matt took me into the bathroom. Were you holding on to each other? Were you pulled apart? Is that true? No. Did she give you any reason to believe that she had been assaulted, abused in any way? None whatsoever. So, yeah, so that's why I was making the point about Kyle Renton House. If he went to Duke, he'd have got the same kind of treatment. Yeah. It's different levels to whiteness. I don't have to explain that to you, but.

3:08:40 Yeah, yeah, no, I hear you. Did you see Kyle going to attend classes at Arizona State? No, but I've seen him bouncing around all the podcast interviews. Oh, no. They had huge protests. He's not welcome at the school. He's done. Yeah, somebody'll take him in. Don't worry about this. Some universities would love to have their name associated with him. But that's the thing that this is what happens when you come up against the power structure. This is the power structure. And I want, and the reason why I'm pointing this out is this is back by family.

3:09:21 Right? I mean, the power comes from family. When you don't have any family, people can treat you any kind of way. And it kind of felt that way about Kyle, right? Is that, who is he? He's not linked to anybody. Right. You know, we could drag this kid through the mud. Now, if it had been, like I said, like he, if he came from this kind of background that these Duke players came from, the establishment media would have had more respect for him and, you know, carried it a different way. But he was looked at as an object the same way the stripper was, you know, the same way the maids are. And this is the two-level society that we live in. Now, a lot of times people are looked at as objects.

3:10:06 And when people that don't exist in that circle that, you know, that are somebody, and I hate that word, are somebody, but when they get a taste of it, they come out with their guns ablaze to push back against it. And we're going to see that with the Fennerty family. Just listening to how proud she is of her son. Hi, I'm Katie Couric. Welcome to Eye to Eye. Wednesday marked the end of a long nightmare for the families of the three former Duke La Crosse players falsely accused of rape.

3:10:43 Harry Smith spoke with the parents of Colin Finnerty about their confidence in their son's innocence and the impact of the ordeal on their family. When those three boys took the microphone at that press conference and expressed themselves so eloquently. And your son at the press conference talking about, I can't think of anything in my life that could have brought me closer. These kinds of things tear people apart. He says he brought my family closer together. He's right though. I mean, we had a wonderful family before, but I can't say

3:11:23 this year has brought us closer together to see the siblings stand by him the way they did. His older brothers were there for him every weekend. His younger sisters were just an incredible amount of support. And as a parent, as parents, to see that, that's like all your dreams come true. I mean, that's what family is about. And I'm so proud of how they got through this year. That's why they hate, that's why they hate families because you can't cancel somebody with a family. Gosh, man, who are they, Mo? It's the,

3:12:05 you would say, the academic elite that leans more to the communist side. You know, I was thinking, I was thinking about this, talking about power and structure. You know, so right now they're, you know, Congress is arguing about what more free shit to give away, more money, which there's multiple reasons for it. But back on the table is the idea of forgiving student debt or up to $50,000 of student debt. And what's interesting is in 2006, right around this time, is when student loans started to skyrocket, backed by the federal government, that, of course, is because of legislation, which basically is: hey, you know, don't worry about it.

3:12:53 We got you covered. Y'all can borrow from us. And we guarantee that that'll get to the universities. And we'll guarantee that we get it back because we're the government and we got the army and everything. And you can't go bankrupt. You can't get rid of that debt. And that debt now is $1.73 trillion. And that's just the student loans. So that money has gone into the education system since 2006. Almost two, probably over $2 trillion. Holy crap balls, which makes Duke and schools like Duke even more incredibly powerful.

3:13:37 Well, powerful, rich, rich. And even more important because now you can get a college degree from anywhere. The Duke brand holds, or the Yale brand, or the Harvard brand, they're real degrees. And I made that statement before of my pastor being from Duke. It wasn't this like fly-by-night school that you can get a PhD from. Right. So these are, it only increases their power. And this is why the admissions is so hard now to get into these schools because you can go get a college degree from anywhere. And really, it's really diluted colleges

3:14:20 or the actual stuff you learn. Well, not even the prestige of it. Well, no, no, I'm just saying that I was, I looked at a study recently that showed that people who do online courses in colleges test better and do better on test scores than people who attend in-person on-campus college. That's why I went to class nine. I know, but I'm just saying that's that's what's interesting about it. But when you have more degrees, it dilutes the meaning of it. Oh, sure, of course. So, of course. So now people are starting to check your brand. Like, what kind of degree is it? Oh, it's a Duke degree. Oh, it means something. Yeah. You know, and this is why they have to protect schools like this.

3:15:05 And this is why you've seen such a vehement pushback on, you know, over these lacrosse players. It's a lot at risk. This is why the NCAA is such a powerful institute because they're the gatekeepers for the entertainment of universities. I mean, who would want to go to Alabama if you couldn't see Bama play football or Duke play basketball or Michigan or Ohio State or these big schools? These are the draw. This is the entertainment draw. And again, it's so interesting because here is this difference between us in cultural background where I don't have any of that.

3:15:51 That was not marketed to me. I was unaware of it. I don't know about the entertainment value. This is why I was not in the American media. But you're in UT, though. I mean, UT's right there, right? Yeah, I don't care. I'm saying, but you know how you, which you are, I would guess that you're aware how big of a deal and economic generator it is for those football games on Saturday. So you're making my point while missing it at the same time. My point is it is uniquely American how the American youth and growing up experience is all geared around this.

3:16:32 That is unique to America, particularly with high school sports flowing into college sports, the pep rallies, the cheerleaders. That's not, do you see cheerleaders? cheerleaders during world soccer? No, no, but do you see bad? Do you see a halftime with bands and Jay-Z performing? No, but this is the vetting system. No, but but I'm just what I'm pointing out, Mo is that this is a unique American thing, right? This and it's it's fascinating to learn so much about it during this during this show because you you you

3:17:10 without you knowing it, you're presuming things that I have absolutely no knowledge of. Yeah, I'm aware of that, and that's why I'm taking it, you know, trying to highlight the point that it's not about the sports. I understand, but it's it's that it's the it's the whole package, it's the marketing, it's this, it's the loans, it's it's everything, and it's the access, yes, of course, because access into the networks, of course. Because if you never make it on Duke Campus, you're going to be capped. That's why that's why Chris Cuomo had a job, you know, it's like this is like everybody has to be connected somehow, right?

3:17:50 Because then, then, because the flip side of it is like, hold on, I work so hard for my son to have these privileges. What do you mean? But at the same time, they deny they have privileges. So, it's this weird, right? It's this weird thing that you have a thing called legacy students. Yeah. Where I mean, like, if your parents went to that school, you kind of like in as long as you have reasonable grades. But then they say, well, there's no privilege. What do you mean there's no you have an actual thing called legacy students? Yeah, you know, it's not, it's, and it matters. I mean, these sporting events, and it's not so, it's not only white institutions, but this is the, this is the, you know, uh,

3:18:29 this, the infrastructure. Um, so I guess we can move on. This is the second family that see Siegelman's. Uh, and this is part one. Your son's mugshot was out there, he was shown walking with handcuffs. How do you get past that? I will never get past that. I won't. It will be forever etched in my mind. But the one thing that helps me deal with it is that when he stepped out of that police car, he stood up tall, he put his shoulders back, and I knew he was going to be okay that day. I was home watching it on TV because I had to stay home with my other boys.

3:19:14 And my husband was with Reed. And Reed had begged me, please, Mom, they've already told us they're going to handcuff us. So please, I don't want you to watch. And I found my younger son crying in front of the TV watching it. And I was horrified. But when I saw Reed step out and he just stood so tall and proud, and I knew he was going to be fine. What did you ring your bell on? The fact that he put his shoulders back, chest out, and was like, Look, I'm going to take this case. You know what I'm saying? I'm going to face this like a man.

3:19:56 And that's what's missing. Oftentimes, when we're the victims, and I say we, the black quote-unquote community are victims of crimes, we already apologizing and want to have peace. You know, that's that crump thing, like, oh, we just want to get along, everybody. I know you killed my child, but you know, I just want to get along. Like, these kids, they were like, geez, they stuck their chest out. Was like, nope, we ain't going down like that, but they're backed by family. Right. See, that's the power. And that's what drives the left-hand side, the liberals crazy. It's just like the smugness about it. But when you got family backing you up, you know, you feel 10 feet tall.

3:20:40 Yeah, that's true. That's absolutely true. Yeah, and you hear it. She even said, I was, I was worried about my son until I saw him standing like a man. And I knew he was going to be all right. So that's that. That's the patriarchy. That's what, that's the, that's the boiled down imagery of the patriarch patriarchy. It's like, you can't crack me. You know, and this is very personal to me because you can't break me. You feel what I'm saying? Like, what are you going to do to me? They're like, this whole job situation. Okay, take your job. What are you going to do? You ain't going to crack me. You see what? Because I was raised by men like William C.

3:21:20 Turner, my father. You know what I'm saying? A whole host of, like I said, I don't like talking about this stuff too much, but pastors in and out of my house all the time eating dinner. Like, I mean, I was privy to, you know, a very influential social circle. circle just to see it work. And it shows, and it shows. Yeah, that's what that's why when I walk into a room, it's confidence. And it can be off-putting to people because they want you to be in certain rooms. Oh, you're awful confident for a black guy. You know, they don't say that, but it's they say, oh, you're different.

3:22:01 You know, you get that. For people that know, for other people, black people out there know, when you hear you're different, you know what that means. Like, hmm, you don't fit the calculation I have for you. And it's not, it's not negative. It's just that you don't meet the expectations. And that goes back to what Jalen Rose felt about Grant Hill. You know, I don't need to show off. My skill speaks for itself. These are the kind of things that, you know, are embedded by the patriarchy, by a patriarchal, not the patriarch, but by a patriarchal society that teaches you, you know what I'm saying?

3:22:40 Nothing can break you. Nothing can break you. And that's, and I found that clip to be amazing that she said, when I saw my son, even though he was in handcuffs, you stand tall. And we're the victims of things and we always apologizing and saying, oh, we just want to get along. We forgive. We forget. No, stop forgiving and forgetting. Get blood. And what I mean by blood is I want you to listen to what they said they wanted out of this whole situation for how their sons were created, which was treated. Today's press conference by the Attorney General was a dramatic, really a stunning repudiation of Michael Nyphon, the prosecutor.

3:23:20 If you had a chance to say something to Mr. Nyfon today, what would it be? What he did and the fraud, which he perpetuated for nearly a year, was at all that important to be the district attorney of Durham, North Carolina, to throw three kids to the wolves, ruin their lives, ruin their families' lives, all for what? For what? I'll never understand. Never understand. What would you like him to say to you? He's sorry. Not that that will ever help how I feel.

3:24:04 I would like to know that this can never happen again to anyone. It's a horrifying thing when you see your child when you know that your son can be put in jail for something he didn't do and it is out of your control and you can't protect him from someone that you know is lying and fabricating stories about him. And I want this man to say that he will never ever allow something like this to happen again.

3:24:47 And I mean, I would like him to say I resign is what I'd like him to say. Would you like him to be disbarred? Yes. Would you like him to make charges filed? Yes. See how it's different? All the cop shoes we heard, the families that were victims, it's, I'm sorry. We just want to forgive. I forgive them the day they shot my son. I forgave him. No, no, no, no, no. It's a little different when you mess with real citizens. This is how citizens carry it out. No, I want his job. I want him disbarred. I want him in jail. I want him to apologize. They had a list of demands. They weren't just happy for their son to be free.

3:25:32 We got to stop moving. And when I say we, I mean, talking about everybody now, this is how we get in the position that we're in now, where people tell us what to do. No, we got to start saying what we want up front. Everybody. That's everybody. And especially men. Right. Because you heard what she said. And, you know, and guess what? She got what she wanted. Yep. I was going to say that this type of thinking, in my experience, is get you what you want. You know, the grass grows where you water it. If you focus on something that, you know, where you focus is what's going to happen.

3:26:14 It's just always that way. And that's what people have to start realizing. Like you kowtowing and bending down. And that gets you more of that. You get you more boot. That's what it gets you more boot. It gets you more boot. Beautiful. The prosecutor in the failed Duke La Crosse rape case has been disbarred. over his handling of the matter. Mike Nyphong sat stoically as a three-member panel from the North Carolina State Bar lectured him on what they called his selfish prosecution of three lacrosse players who were falsely accused of raping a stripper. We can draw no other conclusion but that those initial statements that he made

3:26:56 were to further his political ambitions. At the time when the case broke, Nyphong was in a tight race for re-election. He won that contest, but the rape case was falling apart. He later let the state attorney general handle the matter, and he dismissed all charges, saying the players were innocent. The players were all in the courtroom for the hearing and had a subdued celebration at the end. Lawyers representing the players applauded the decision to strip Nyphong's law license and say anyone paying attention to the case knew Nyphong never had a chance of convicting the players. This story was simply a hoax. Friday, Nyphong told the panel he was planning on resigning his position, and on Saturday, his lawyer said Niphong himself thought he should be disbarred and added he won't appeal the ruling.

3:27:43 However, the lawyers representing the players say they see little honor in those moves. My initial feeling was that I've been at executions and it was kind of like the day before you're executed if you cut up the sheet and hang yourself so you're in control of your own destiny. The lawyers for the players say they are considering seeking criminal contempt charges against Niphong and even suggested asking for a federal civil rights investigation into his actions. Gosh, man. I mean, you've got a guy running for re-election. I've been searching for some kind of Soros connection. It just reeks of Soros and a DA

3:28:28 electoral campaign. I mean, it's crazy the parallel. Right. You heard what they said. Even though he resigned, no, we want your job. We want silver. And it was just all gas, no breaks. It wasn't enough. And they even drug him out and made him apologize to the boys as well. He had to, you know what I'm saying? Now, don't get me wrong. He only did like a day in jail. All the stuff that he did. Of course. And this is going to like. Literally one day. It literally was one day, I think. How does that work? How do you rig a case up against?

3:29:11 I just, something's fishy about this case to the fact that you only do a day in jail. Night has some friends high up to pull that one off. I mean, because even they couldn't get him thrown in jail. But you see what they did. They drug him out and made him apologize. You want to listen to that apology right quick? Yeah, do you have it? Oh, yeah, here it is. You got it. The last 16 months have proven to be a difficult and painful journey for my family and for myself. I know this has also been a difficult and painful journey for Leed Seligman, Colin Finnerty, and David Evans, for their families, for Durham, and for the state of North Carolina.

3:29:52 We all need to heal. I believe, however, that this healing process cannot truly begin until all proceedings involving this matter are concluded and everyone is able to go forward. I have resigned my position as Durham's district attorney as a part of this process. I have read the report released by the Attorney General, including his recitation of evidence that I did not have evidence he obtained from his own investigation. I agree with the Attorney General's statement that there is no credible evidence that Mr. Seligman, Mr. Finnerty, or Mr. Evans committed any of the crimes for which they were indicted or any other crimes against Ms.

3:30:29 Mangum during the party that occurred on March 13th and 14th, 2006 at 610 North Buchanan Boulevard in Durham. Mr. Seligman, Mr. Finnery, and Mr. Evans were entitled to the presumption of innocence when they were under indictment. Surely they are entitled to more than that now as they go forward with the rest of their lives. And that is what the Attorney General tried to give them in his declaration that they are innocent. I have admitted on more than one occasion that I have made mistakes in the prosecution of these cases. For that, I sincerely apologize to Mr. Seligman, Mr. Finnerty, Mr.

3:31:08 Evans, and to their families. It is my hope that all of us can learn from the mistakes of this case, that all of us can begin to move forward. It is my hope that we can start this process today. Thank you, John. Yes, we want to move forward. Kiss the ring. That's right. Kiss the ring. So it was, it was deep. conspired with the DNA lab technician to not just disclose all of the information. And set up, rigged up, we call it the lineups.

3:31:50 And didn't do a day in jail. So this is what when we start talking about white privilege, yeah, this is what we're talking about. Now, how is it that you can do all of that and you only spend a day in jail? That doesn't make any sense to me. No, but I mean, we know the system is not right. Right. It wasn't right. I mean, like I said, every this goes to show you that even still, they wouldn't do him all the way dirty like they could. But they made him go out there and apologize to the young men that was involved. We don't see that.

3:32:32 You're saying in most cases when someone's wrong, I still ain't seen an apology yet to Kyle. Good luck with that. No, but see, that go to show you it's different levels. Yeah. It's different levels. You know, when you mess with somebody, the wrong kids, you have this department, you know, you. Yeah, you got to go out there. You got to kneel and apologize and do all kinds of stuff. Well, yeah, rightly so. So these last three clips, you know, saying you can play them as at will, but this wraps up what happened to the accuser. And this is a true tragedy. She ended up writing a book, and she still, in her mind, thinks that she's a victim. The woman who accused three Duke La Crosse players of rape is still insisting she was attacked.

3:33:17 She makes the claim in a new memoir. Crystal Magnum appeared publicly Thursday for the first time since making the allegations more than two years ago. No one deserves to be sexually assaulted, regardless of their profession or regardless of what they have done. I'm a real person. I have feelings. I'm not just an exotic dancer. I'm not just someone who tried to frame someone who was innocent of sexual assault. My only intentions were for justice, and I wanted justice for myself.

3:33:58 She says in her book that she's not looking forward to opening old wounds, but that she had to defend herself. Prosecutors determined that her accusations against the three players were false, and her renewed allegations are triggering a threat of a lawsuit from the family of one of the exonerated players. The book is available online. Magnum wouldn't answer questions about details of the case at the news conference. John Belmont, The Associated Press. When did this book come out? Just came out, I think, in 09, I want to say. Okay. It was years after the case. So I think some book company probably saw, oh, this would be a seller for people that still want to believe that something nefarious went on that night.

3:34:42 So they I don't think they looked at her best interest in heart or had our best interests in heart. No, more of a money. Well, here's a couple thousand dollars advance and you'll never hear from us again. That's how that's how those book deals work. Yep. And then we have more in the book deal if you want to listen to 30. Sure. Sure. The last time the public saw Crystal Mangum, she quietly fingered three Duke La Crosse players in this videotape photo lineup. Two years later, she walks back into the spotlight to promote her new book. The Duke La Crosse Case will never define who I am. I'm a proud mother of three wonderful children. I graduated from college with honors.

3:35:30 The last dance for Grace is a story about my life. The last dance for Grace, according to Mangum, is her story. A woman with a troubled past whom by her own account was raped three times, twice as a teenager, and then again as an exotic dancer in March 2006. Yes, I am. I am still claiming that a sexual assault happened. But Mangum stopped short of commenting on former DA Mike Nythong, the prosecutor, accused of withholding DNA evidence in the case that was later dismissed by the state attorney general. Do you believe that Greed Sullivan, Colin Thorne, and David Adams were innocent?

3:36:08 I have no comments about the details of the case. However, I do talk a little bit about it in the last dance for Grace. But I have no comment. Mangum's caution, according to her team of advisors. is partly because of the threat of potential lawsuits. Her side of the story, they say, has been kept from the public. They claim at least two networks have failed to air interviews with Mangum. This photo of CNN anchor Soledad O'Brien and Mangum was provided to Eyewitness News. Oh, man. Everybody uses poor woman up. Well, you know how it ends with her? I do. You want to share it with people? Number 40. Oh, okay.

3:36:53 Cause I was just looking at the wiki page. I'm like, oh, my goodness. Well, the woman who was at the center of the false rape allegations that were brought against three Duke University athletes may now be facing a murder charge. Earlier this month, the police arrested Crystal Magnum for stabbing her boyfriend in the kitchen with a knife. Now we've learned that that victim has died in that case. Prosecutors say that they will likely charge Magnum with murder. Back in 2006, as you may remember, this story went on for months and months. She accused three Duke La Crosse players of raping her at an off-campus party. Those charges were later shown to be false, and the charges against those three men were dropped.

3:37:37 And here's the kicker. She argued in that particular charge, second-degree murder, after she stabbed her boyfriend and he died. She argued she acted in self-defense, fearing that he would kill her. She got sentenced 14 to 18 years. True tragedy. Yeah. And you think, you know, did she really have the defense that money could have bought her for a self-defense defense? Right. I know. It's exactly their point. I got it. That's why I thought it was a cool kicker.

3:38:17 And this goes to show you what the black doctor was saying earlier about mental health. Nobody sought to get this woman the help that she needed, and she ended up just being a harm to someone else and taking someone else's life. They just saw her as an object for a political game, a political football, and then just dumped her to the side. And she ended up taking another person's life. So how do you wrap this up, Mo? What's our takeaway? What are we going to do? I don't know if I can sleep right now. Well, what we have to do is we have to pay attention to these previous cases like this because if we looked at this a month ago,

3:39:02 we probably could have saw what was going to happen in other cases. And there's another case out there lingering about a race hoax that we need to pay attention to because there's DAs involved. Oh, Monsieur Smollett. Yes. Yeah, oh, it's good. It's so deep. If anything really comes to the surface, it's going to be dynamite. But I'm just waiting. I'm just waiting. We will talk about that case, and I got to give people a quick history until we're talking about MoFax. This was more of a historical episode about Mo Facts. If there was no Justice Smollett, there might not be a MoFax.

3:39:47 Ooh. Now, I'll tell people later how that connects when I do the Justice Smollett case, but I'll leave that as a cliffhanger for people. But yes. Well, Mo, happy birthday, man. I'm glad you did this show. It was personal. It sounded personal, educated me much more than you probably could have expected. Just a lot of things as I already explained. And is a very good backgrounder and now has me laser focused on the educational system being kind of ground zero of all of this stuff. That's the takeaway right there. That's ground zero, man.

3:40:29 We thought it was the press, but we see now from this case, the press takes their signals from academia and the alumni. And often they are the alumnus. Yes. Unbelievable. All right. I'm energized now. Forward we go. We have some people to keep an eye on. But as I always say, pay attention to everything and the truth will reveal itself. And make sure that you check out the lost tapes, which will be next Wednesday. And we'll be back the Wednesday after that with another episode of Mo Facts with Adam Curry.

3:41:10 Mo, have yourself a great week and happy birthday again, brother. All right. Thank you, Adam. Have a good one. And if you'd like to support the show, mofacts.com, go directly. directly to our donation page at mofundme.com, M-O-E-F-U-N-D-M-E.com. And thank you so much for supporting the show. Talk to you soon, everybody. Bye-bye. People get bed. There's a trainer coming. You don't need no baggage. You just get on board. All you need is made

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