67: Q-Hopium

00:09 Mo Facts with Adam Curry for September 29th, 2021. It's episode number 67. I'm Adam Curry here in the heart of Texas Hill Country, my friend on the other end, somewhere in Northern Virginia. Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Mo Facts. How you doing, Adam? I'm great, Mo. How are you? I am doing well. We have new gear today, so bear with me if, you know, I have no idea how everything's going to go. Just trying to make it all work. We're growing. We're growing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're trying to be better every single day, doing everything we can. It's good to hear, man. How's the 14-day period been? I missed your live, so tell me how that's going.

00:53 Oh, the lives are great. If you're not hearing the lives, then you are missing a large component of the show. I will say that. I saw the announcement. You had a cool secondary line to it there. What was it? Tell me what it said. Oh, it's the interactive newsletter. Yeah, the interactive newsletter, but it was something. The lost tapes. Was it the lost tapes or something? Oh, that's the name of the product. It's the lost tapes. So we go over the clips that don't make the show. We go over visual aids that don't make the show. It was the Obama pick gate.

01:33 Yes. We have people sending in live screenshots and things of that nature. So if you're missing the lost tapes, which is the interactive newsletter that complements the show so well. So please check it out on YouTube. And when I think moving forward, we're going to first drop it on YouTube. Is that the idea? That's the plan. What we want to do is have it every Wednesday at 8 o'clock, you get something new from the show, whether it's a new episode or if it's the episode of Lost Tapes, which is live. So every single Wednesday, there's basically something going on. Something's going on, 8 o'clock p.m. Eastern Standard. Beautiful. All right, everybody, it's episode number 67.

02:16 Let's see. Might as well get to the topic for today. Whoa, spin that wheel of topics. Round and round it goes. Where it stopped, nobody knows. Mo Facts knows, of course, because he put it together. The topic for episode number 67 is... The extremist ideology of QAnon has captured the minds and imaginations of tens of millions of Americans. Okay. Conspiracy. Gotta love it. Or is it? Yeah. So what we're going to talk about. Well, that's kind of, it's, what I read the other day was a great line. Someone said, it's not a conspiracy. It's an actual criminal conspiracy. I love stuff like that.

02:56 I love it. So what we're going to do is talk about the effects of QAnon, other misleading or misguiding efforts to take people into binary thinking. So that's going to be the theme of the show is binary thinking, how harmful it is. Yeah, I was reading something the other day. It was, is it a conspiracy theory or is it an actual criminal conspiracy? So what we're going to look at is the effects of binary thinking and the harmful effects of binary thinking. And we're going to look at it through the lens of QAnon and other alleged government-inspired

03:41 honeypots, I guess you would call it, or efforts. All right. So that could be an 18-hour show, I think. It could, but I condensed it down for the listeners, for the producers. So what I want to do is get into this New York Times opinion about why we shouldn't call the Capitol rioters terrorists. What we witnessed yesterday was not dissent. They weren't protesters. They were a riotist mob, insurrectionist, domestic terrorists. We don't have a domestic terrorism law. We don't have any of the tools to battle domestic terrorism.

04:20 I think it's time that we had a domestic terrorism statue. The people who stormed the Capitol definitely need to face consequences. They're filled with hate, but we should not call them terrorists and we should not pass new anti-terrorism laws. Take an act, bunny. In 2005, I was 16 years old. My apartment was raided by the NYPD Terrorism Task Force, FBI. They came, ripped the blankets off my head. My father and I were detained and put in handcuffs. The government suspected me of being a potential. suicide bomber.

05:02 I was trying to avoid my emotions, depression, fear, anger. I didn't do anything wrong, and I was still treated as a criminal. I was honestly just a 16-year-old, typical 16-year-old. My grades were great. My friends were awesome. I was into boy bands. I've heard so many stories. I've read so many stories about this. It's insane. So this is Adama Ba. And as she stated, she was 16 years old when they stormed her family's Harlem apartment, which that's going to be an important part in this show. Just keep, just file that word away.

05:44 But even she was a victim of being an alleged terrorist. She wants to empathize and not call these people. Yeah, she's humanizing. She's human. Well, and then she all, well, it's kind of self, you know, she's doing it a bit for herself because right. It says only, she said that war on terror will only backfire on innocent black and brown people, which I can't disagree with her, but it's a true, it's like one of the things, two things could be true.

06:23 We shouldn't call people terrorists because when you start pointing the finger at one group, like I said, they're going to come in and make everybody get hidden with that label. So that's one of the premises of the show. Well, also, the definition of terrorism has some very specific elements. Yeah, I'll get it for you. Was it political gain? Yeah, I think it has to be. It's the key part is for political gain. So, yeah, so I thought we'll open up with this. I would want to go back and maybe go through some things that happened around 9-11 because that's what's similar to what's going on now, how we're doing whole swaths of groups as alleged terrorists.

07:07 Yes. And how it backfires on people. Any questions? Well, I mean, that's a lot. I know it's a lot. Very, very loaded there. Well, probably as we go along, let's see where we wind up. As a teaser, we'll get into one of your favorite wheelhouses, this six-week cycle. Oh, okay. So I guess we can go ahead and jump into clip number three. When I hear people say we need to expand on war on terror or we need to make new laws, it's an insult to me because for some reason they found the laws to detain me and accuse me of terrorism.

07:48 And these people essentially passed the most secured building in the country. Just fine. History shows that having anti-terrorism laws just affect people like myself. Timothy McBay and Terry Nichols, former Army buddies with a grudge against the government, planned the bombing. After the Oklahoma City bombing, President Clinton passed a law giving the FBI more power to go after terrorists. The law didn't go after people that look like the Oklahoma City bomber. From now on, we can quickly expel foreigners who dare to come to America and support terrorist activities. The same thing happened with the Columbia shooting. Mass shootings at school were mostly done by white males.

08:30 But after the shooting, police presence increased in black and brown schools. I want to call these white supremacists who stormed the capital terrorists, but calling them terrorists just gives law enforcement and other elected officials the admunition to call peaceful protesters terrorists. People that look like me who are brown, Muslims, black, those are the ones who are going to actually be punished. We don't need new laws to deal with white terrorists. The laws are there. It's whether you want to apply to certain people or not. This is the same young lady? Yes. And how old is she? She's 16? No, she was 16 when they raided her when they did the raid.

09:15 Right. I think she's maybe in her mid-20s now. Okay, still. I know a lot of mid-20ers who don't talk that intelligently about these things. Well, I did a poor setup of the show. So let me rewind back. I know, like, what is he talking about? The QAnon. Okay. There was some recent news that came about with who was in the crowd at the January 6th. Yes. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yes. And the New York Times reported it. That's why I used the clip from the New York Times to set this up. Yes. And a repeat on September 18th recently. Of course. exactly right. So, those with those two

09:58 occurrences, that was the genesis for this show to lay it out. And I've been saying this, what she stated was when you start pointing the finger around, it's going to get blow back on everybody, and they're going to be able to blame it. Blame, you know, they hit everybody with that label. And what people may not know is when they hit you with that label, a lot of your rights go away. That's annoying with how that works. Yeah. Yeah. So that's why it's a big pet peeve of mine when people throw that word around. Yeah. So loosely. So what we got to do now is we got to go back to show 31.

10:42 Now I believe that was BIE Bay. And this is a Vice clip and it's talking about the Black Identity Extremist. On August 3rd, 2017, the FBI created the Black Identity Extremists Assessment using the Dallas 2016 shooting and five other unrelated attacks on police as justification that this movement exists. Black identity extremists now considered a domestic terror threat by the FBI. According to the FBI assessment, it was very likely that these terrorists would target law enforcement officers in retaliation for perceived police violence against African Americans.

11:24 Due to the assessment classifying the group as a domestic terror organization, the FBI is able to justify any invasive surveillance tactics used in monitoring these targeted individuals. Yeah, this actually goes back. I do need to mention this. This goes back to post-9-11. Actually, I think this happened during President Obama's time in office. A National Defense Authorization Act came out, and there was this whole definition of they had all kinds of weird terms. Anyway, it's really easy to call anybody that.

12:05 And that meant that they could rouse you, you know, throw a black bag you and take you to Guantanamo even if they want to. Or surveill you in any kind of manners that kind of circumvent your rights. And what I find most dangerous is the label of conspiracy theorists, you know, kind of gets you on that list, which I've always identified myself as a conspiracy analyst. Yes. I don't create the theories. I only analyze them. Just for anybody that's out there listening. Just for anybody out there listening. I just only analyze them. That's right. But yeah, we're in very dangerous times. I don't want to be alarmist, but let's just stop.

12:47 Of course. Just, I mean, I get every day 15 emails from people who, because of their government, have to leave their job. You know, that by itself, forget calling someone a domestic terrorist. That's the power that is now on the table. It's out of control. It definitely is. And like I always say, it starts with us. So no one stood up when they were throwing this label around. Now, I had some questions about this guerrilla mainframe, the name of it, how Vice covered it. And the way this whole piece was set up by Vice, I found it troubling.

13:31 Please go listen to episode 31. It was some fascinating things on there about the shooters that inspired this label down in Baton Rouge, Baton Rouge in Dallas with gang stalking and those kind of things. So it's the only thing I can say is this is surreal. I don't think we felt like this in 9-11 because it was us and them kind of thing. You know, it was like, do what you need to do. And now we're partly to blame. Now it's us and us and our neighbor and what? It could be anybody. I think that's the point. I mean, I've become very cynical now. I just think, oh, this has got to be purposeful. This is not a mistake anymore. Yeah.

14:16 And as you said, people are losing their jobs every day. And will that inspire people to take action? I don't want to put that out in the universe, but just it definitely can be some weird things that happen. And I'm looking at Tennessee. I'm still doing my homework on that one, but it's some definite raw material they can use to lock down even more on questioning authority. And I have a real issue with that because I've been following this for a long time. So let's go ahead and get to that second throwback clip from this piece and we'll move along with the show. There's this perception that the government promotes that we are in a stage of critical emergency because of terrorism.

14:59 And that's because they get more power. And in order to retain that power, they need to find more terrorists. One of the most outspoken critics of the Black Identity Extremist Assessment is Michael German, a former FBI agent who did undercover work on white supremacists and right-wing militias in the 90s. He's now a fellow for the Brennan Center for Justice. What incentive do you believe that the FBI has to make a label like Black Identity Extremist? A person cannot be targeted for investigation based solely on First Amendment activity. So by creating this Black identity extremism movement, they can use that as the justification to then target any activist who or any black person who is protesting police violence.

15:47 One of my problems with this kind of intelligence report is these are six disparate acts of violence that they try to mold into a movement. There was really nothing connecting them except the fact that they killed police officers and the fact that they were black. Yeah. First of all, I'm always surprised how I don't even remember some clips. When you go back 30 episodes, like, wow, okay. A lot of them I do remember, but this one's like, oh, I don't remember. Yeah, so that was it. It's just, we can't just do that if you're just a single person. But now, if we can connect you to a group and give you a name, now you're talking. Now we're cooking. And that's the scary part about it because in our connected world,

16:33 social media and whatnot, they might look at your follow-up. I mean, I have a habit of following everybody back that follows me. And could that possibly be an issue down the road? Like, oh, he was followed by so-and-so, so-and-so. Let's throw him on the list. Like I said, I find it very troubling, but this is nothing new to me. Previous to your show, okay, when I used to listen, when I first listened to No Agenda, now we can discuss the six-week cycle. Okay, yes. When you and John first started talking about that, it was not when you first started talking about it. When I first heard about it, I was like, oh, yeah, that's like the Newberg thing, right? Have you ever heard of the Newberg thing?

17:18 No, I don't think so. What is it? Oh, well, do you hold on? It's going to be a perfect example of what the six-week cycle is. It was an HBO documentary on homegrown terrorists. So I saw this maybe 2,000 and I want to say 2,000 single digits. I can't remember the year exactly when I saw it, but I was like, it blew my mind because I was like, wow. I mean, we know these things. We know. Shall I explain the six-week cycle real quick? Please do. So the six-week cycle was told to was conveyed to me by someone, let's just say intimate with the FBI, certainly with the Dallas Bureau.

17:59 And the basic concept is the FBI for quite a while, every six weeks, had to have some kind of event taking place to justify their entire means for existence. And it appears that's a lot of what they do. And if you read the affidavits, every single time there's some bozo who wanted to blow something up, it turns out that the FBI was talking to this person, either through a confidential informant or themselves for a year, setting them up, you know, egging them on, text messaging. Oh, you know, wouldn't you want to blow something up?

18:36 And then they help them out, get weaponry, and then they give them the van and they help them put the stuff in the truck and they give them a bogus remote control and it doesn't work and they arrest him and then they've saved the day. And then six weeks from now, rinse, repeat, and do it all over again. And that is the case with so many of the FBI big announcements. It's like, what are you talking about? You guys totally set that up. And let's humanize the FBI right quick. So that's what we're doing. Okay, that's hard. That's hard. That's hard. But okay. No, the reason why I'm saying it, say they're acting in good faith to say, well, we have a gut feeling that these people are bad.

19:15 So before they do something bad, let's be proactive and walk them into a trap. I still don't agree with that because as we said in the Cosby show, when you violate someone's rights, even if it's beneficial to me, that's not a win. Oh, no. No, I mean, it's disgusting because instead, what they should be doing is saying, hey, son, you seem a little radicalized. You know, cut that shit out. Maybe you should talk to somebody and we've got our eye on you. Instead, they absolutely egg them on. It's one of the most disgusting things, and no one ever discusses it. I guess mainstream never looks at the affidavits. I mean, it's all there. Well, get your barf bag and go ahead and start number six.

19:59 All right. Welcome back. A new documentary premiered on HBO this week called The Newberg Sting. Now, it focuses on the FBI investigation and conviction of four men from Newberg, New York for plotting an act of domestic terrorism. But was this thing really a setup? And were the men more guilty of simple greed and idiocy than actual terrorism? Now, I spoke with co-director David Heilbronner. I remember covering this story at the time, and I remember what seemed to be an endless amount of squad cars, the SWAT teams, the aerial footage. And at the time, it was exhibit A and busting up a terror ring. And no politician within an area code couldn't have fought to get in front of the cameras to talk about how they just busted up an imminent threat at the time.

20:46 But the more you read into it, I remember at the time, you started to say to yourself, wait a second, wasn't this the gang that couldn't shoot straight? Now you look at it in this. Yeah, exactly. Wait a minute. What those are the guys who couldn't do anything? Yeah. So when I heard you first mention this on the show, this is what popped in my head, the Newberg Sting. And it was like, exactly. So that's what drew me even more to the No Agenda show. But it's what we see now. A lot of those people at 1.6, I know people, I know right now, people are rolling their eyes like, why is he trying to humanize?

21:27 Because it's going to happen to both sides. These things don't happen in a vacuum. It's going to happen. We saw black BIEs came first. Now it's white identity extremists. DVEs. DVEs. What does that stand for? Domestic violent extremist. Okay. So I'm surprised they just didn't go all out for the white. I mean, but that would probably be. Well, it'll be double. It's just, it's implied now. DVE is implied to be white. That's interesting. They didn't go out full, you know what I'm saying, full hog on that one. Not yet. Not yet. There's always, there's always time left, I'm sure. Well, domestic opens up, I mean, domestic opens up to any nationalist.

22:10 Yeah. So, I mean, no matter of race. So I guess that's why they went that route. But soon there's going to be medical extremists. You know what I'm saying? There's going to be no religious extremists. Those kind of things. Well, we already have anti-vaxxers, which, yeah, sure, there's some real people who are absolutely anti-vaxxers, but people who just don't want this vaccination doesn't mean they're anti-vax. But that's, I mean, our president is saying that. Our vice president is saying that. It's the same thing. It's just as bad. And it's two problems I have with that. One, it's not a vaccine. So every time we say that,

22:52 it irks me. Two, I can't be an anti-vaxx if my kids got their school tool shots. So, I mean, that in itself is a problem. Right. Three, well, I said two things, but the third one is your natural immunity. Exactly. If I have natural immunity, that made me anti-vax. They just think my body is superior to something a drug company can give me. But I don't want to get on a tangent, but I'm just saying this is a very dangerous slope. Accept the group think or, you know, get ran over. But let me get into my issue with binary thinking before we continue on. Okay.

23:35 I think this is how they program society. You're a computer whiz. You program computers with ones and zeros. Yeah. They need people on binary. Are you pro this or anti-this? You know, that's that. There's no nuance. There's no room for anything. Black, white, red, blue, pro-anti. Right. They're programming society. And to do that, they can't have you come and have a nuanced conversation because that gets into fuzzy logic. Yeah, no hobsy, no havzies or anything like that. You can't do that. No, no, no decimal points. Of course not, because you know why? And when we're going to go, we're going to go there early today.

24:22 If you're trying to automate everything, computers can't handle that. AI can't handle that. They need you to be binary so they can replace you. I'm going to say that again. Yeah, roll that by me one more time. They need you to be binary. binary so they can replace you. A computer struggles with nuance. That's why AI is so far behind the human mind because the human mind can look at something and see shades of gray. They need us to be ones and zeros so that that point will become this is this is when we merge with machines.

24:58 Will we lose that ability for fuzzy logic? Let me just uh I know I know I went let me roll out a little bit of conspiracy therapy on both of us here from okay. Have you seen the Spartacus letter? No, I haven't. The Spartacus letter went out yesterday. It's a PDF. I think the PDF is already deleted from the Google Drive or whatever, but it's posted everywhere. And it's a group of people and they lay out, and there's like, we're a group, you know, we're doctors, all this stuff. I think they're also clearly lawyers. And you just call a Spartacus and we're so sick and tired of this. And this whole thing runs down everything about the flu, about the lab, but really detailed.

25:38 And I know enough about the non-technical medical stuff, and I've read enough of the medical stuff that it's obviously serious. And I can only debunk what I know. But at a certain point, they talk about the gain of function research because actually this paper says the vaccine and the virus were created by the same people. And the Peter EcoHealth Alliance, whatever, Peter Dazik, and they hired some other Mofos. Bottom line is that guy who was responsible for a large part of the mRNA vaccine for Moderna or BioNTech,

26:23 he is deeply involved with another company, which is literally interfacing wire electrodes onto the brain. The same stuff Elon Musk is doing, only I think these guys are actually a little bit further. Right. So instead of stepping up their technology, they dumbed down the humor to binary decisions. Or prepared, prepared the human with an interface. I mean, if it's true, some of the stuff I've been reading, if any of that is true, like the graphene oxide, I mean, it sounds like a huge conspiracy theory, everybody, but you know, you know, you know what I'm saying is if you want to merge a human brain with a computer, it's only two choices, the way they could communicate with each other. Well, I know, I know. Well, hold on, unless it's quantum. If it's quantum, that changes, but that's neither here nor there.

27:07 Your point of binary. It's easy to make people dumber to make technology smarter. True, true, true, true, true. That's what they're banking on. It's like, oh, yeah, you know what I'm saying? Let's dump down the human brain to binary ones and zeros. And then when we merge them with computers, or I mean, when I say merging with computers, that's even nudging. I'm not even going to the whole transhumanism thing yet. I'm just saying when you want to control society, it's make it, notice the things they give us. Do you wash the back of your dish or no? Do you know, do you wash your legs or no? I mean, local news is full of these yes and no poll questions

27:50 that are programming us to think in yes or no circumstances and not let well let me let me think about that for a minute well there could be nuance to that conversation no no no they don't want that but we'll be here for all night if we if we go there but that's what this is this is the premise of this show um is to combat against binary thinking and we're going somewhere but let's get back to the new birth thing too now you look at it in this film and i want to play um the first clip about what the original intentions of the group were and then you can give us some context on it this clip is again from some of the participants early on in the process and just how far they were willing to go at that point let's uh play the first clip

28:37 david williams comes in and shahed hussein says let's go to the airport at stewart air force base so they drive up to the airport and they look at the planes stewart air force base is the base that sends air national guard and national guard troops at the time over to iraq and afghanistan and shahed hussein says we should blow up one of these how do you blow up one of these whoa i can get you a message help us out give a little context um the informant that we're talking mr hussein here uh he went out of his way to recruit these guys uh give an idea if you could for our audience where he found them and how this quickly began an idea of all

29:17 right let's try and destroy property into obviously what we saw in that arrest of may 2009 sure i mean let me set the scene right off the bat which is this took place in the town of newburg new york and i don't know how many of your viewers know newburgh but it's an impoverished town probably 30 unemployment uh most of the houses houses are boarded up. Someone once referred to it as Canada, New Jersey on the Hudson. And into this destitute community comes a man who's on the FBI payroll who's on the lamb. He himself is on the lamb from committing fraud at a DMV office in Albany. And the FBI says to him, if you can bring us terrorists, we'll pay you. And if you can get convictions, we'll give you a bonus. Oh, there you go. Just man, those guys are great.

29:59 Just bring them on in. If you can refer a friend to terrorism and you get 50 bucks. I mean, what a bargain. But the reason why I'm bringing people like, why are you going back? Because we all were victim to this around 9-11. It's like, go kill brown people. Yeah, they crashed our buildings. I mean, nobody stood up because we were given a binary decision. Either, if you question, you're not a patriot. That was the key thing that you're not a patriot. You're not a patriot. You're right. You know, and people were scared to even like, why are we in Iraq? It's like, oh, you're not a patriot. Are you one of them? Like, that's we were there and everybody got caught up in it.

30:44 Nobody, and when I say everybody, I mean the people that had a voice to stand up. You saw all the, you know, yeah, that's when the jets started flying over football stadiums and we became this militaristic, you know, juggernaut. Well, we kind of already were a militaristic juggernaut, but oh, yeah. But it was also, I've been around long enough. That's, that's how America tries to heal. And I think that was the last time that will ever, ever work. And it didn't really work that long either. You know, there's so much coming out. People remember all the lies. And

31:25 it's, in an odd way, you know, yeah, it's good because we have to recognize what the truth is, but it's so uniquely American. The bombs bursting in air, the jets flying by, you know, salute our troops. That's the psychosis of our culture. Well, we didn't have a real enemy then, though. But we try when we're talking about the people. Well, no, no, no. Yeah, we were still vibing on World War II. I mean, let's overlook Vietnam, et cetera. Let's not take a look at anything that happened there, Korean War. No, because, yeah, because that was not a voluntary war for a lot of people that fought in it.

32:08 So that's why it's kind of, I mean, that's kind of tainted, Vietnam War is for America's people. We also didn't win anything. We sucked. Everybody lost in that. World War II, at least we could claim victory and we saved the world. And hey, no problem, world. We're cool. We're America. And then the first desert storm was over so fast. We had to create the generals for the Harlem Glow Trotters, right? It's like, okay, we need to create more. We need more. Yeah. So that's what happened. And we all got caught up in it. Seriously. And it's, remember the yellow ribbons and those kind of things?

32:50 And it's nothing against the troops. And that's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is we got caught up in revenge and somebody had to pay and somebody had to be to blame. That when things like the New Bergs thing happened, nobody questioned it. It was just like, oh, yeah, they're all, man, they're right at home. They're right next door. Yeah, you know, give the apparatus more money and more power. And what I'm saying is I'm drawing a parallel to what's going on now. When you look at what happened January 6th, trust me, it's a threat to be worried about. And they weren't there that day. I'm just going to say it like that. Oh, absolutely. I mean,

33:35 I don't know if I'm moving ahead of anything, but the leader of the Oath Keepers, he's not even named in any indictment. He's just person number one, even though he clearly should be indicted along with everybody else under the same equal handling. And he's not. And the FBI is even, as far as I know, have even admitted that, well, there was at least 12, maybe more. We're not going to prosecute anybody over there from that group just in case it turns out bad that it was FBI. And yeah, there's all kinds of, there's a lot of circumstantial and video evidence of the FBI being

34:18 provocateurs. And this wouldn't have been a show, but I think you said it's September 18th. I don't remember the date. The one that happened recently. Yeah, yeah. The media is frustrating. frustration with it. He didn't show up. And it got to the point, it's like it got to the point where, oh, y'all are scared, huh? Yeah, y'all are scared. Oh, yeah, I know. You know how a bully try to provoke you? It's like, oh, yeah, you're scared to come out of your house. You know, that kind of thing. So the media was really aggravated that nobody showed up. And the one guy that got arrested was a fed. He had a gun in his badge. And did you see the picture of like those five guys standing around, all dressed identical, same hair, you know, obvious bulge in their pants where they got a small Glock.

35:03 It was total, total F the same watches. Oh, okay, boys. And we're seeing the same thing in Afghanistan. I saw a picture of that with it was like three guys walking and like one guy had perfect trigger control and like the new Taliban. Yeah, the new Taliban is all indexing properly. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's the new guys. They know how to do it. All of a sudden, you know, it's didn't take much training. They just figured it out. Good to go. So I'm just saying we're seeing all this, but I think the people are wising up to it. And it's frustrating the media because they don't have the power that they used to. Because if you had the alternate, I hate that word, but the alt media or the alternative media or non-mainstream media, then it would have been quickly called out.

35:48 Oh, yeah. But they're being derailed by another narrative. And they're throwing a tantrum, which worries me. That worries me more than anything because when they start to throw a tantrum, it's very problematic. So I guess we can get into the third Newberg clip. So this man is Shahed Hussein, and he comes to Newberg looking for terrorists. And he spends months hanging out at the local mosque, not finding anybody, until one day he crosses the path of the local blowhard, James Cromody. Cromody is a low-level marijuana dealer whose only means of employment is he's a night clerk at Walmart, makes about $14,000 a year.

36:28 And Cromedy will say anything. Cromody bragged to Shahed Hussein about blowing up police stations. He bragged to him about committing murders. None of which he did. If the FBI had bothered to check, they would see that the guy is just, you know, he's like Jackie Gleason from the Honeymooners. If that digs me a little bit, but he's a big talker. But Shahed Hussein goes, hey, I've got someone who might actually go along with us. So Hussein pursues Cromody for months and says, we need more people. We need more bodies. Come on, let's get a conspiracy going. Cromedy can't find anybody. And Hussein, eventually, when Cromedy just craps out on him, nothing seems to be happening. Hussein says, Listen, I can get you $250,000. We can take trips all over the country when this is done.

37:08 I can get you cars. I can buy you a barbershop. You know, James Cromody all of a sudden gets really interested and brings in three guys from Newberg. First of all, $250,000. Usually, informants are authorized up to $5,000. So, how all of a sudden, you know, he did a multiple of 50 times this, I guess, is part of the question. He said that was code. I never figured that one out throughout the process. But it also turns out that Hussein didn't record everything. So at the end of the day, those blanks in this really have to be filled in by the feds to, in effect, take Hussein's word for it. I can't believe I missed this whole thing. I never heard of this. And I forgot to tell you, they were all black guys.

37:50 Oh, no, I figured that, of course. No, I was saying, but that's the weird thing about it: it didn't get the media coverage at all. I think it was so poorly put together that they were like, let's just take our win and go home. We don't want to. Like, hey, we need a conspiracy here. Let's cook one up, brothers. Let's do it. So, I mean, it's just fascinating that, like I said, you blew my mind when I first heard about the six-week cycle, but I had knew about this story and I knew about past history that we're going to get into a little later of events like this happening.

38:27 That is just, it's, ah, man, it's scary what it is that you can go into poor neighborhoods and throw around a quarter of a million dollars to a guy that makes $14,000 a year and you don't think he's going to bite on it. Even if his attentions are like, I was going to say I want to do it, but you got me. You got me. It's better than podcasting. I mean, come on. Yeah, you get anyone's attention. It's amazing. So now we're going to go over to the Muslim Public Affairs Council, the Impact, and they do their own coverage on the Newbergs theme.

39:05 We have breaking news. The FBI says it has thwarted a terror plot. We targeted four individuals that planned and schemed to bomb two Jewish facilities here in the Bronx and also to take down a military aircraft up at the Stewart Airport. They stated that they wanted to. to commit jihad. Prosecutors described the suspects as extremely violent men who embraced every opportunity for terrorism. Investigators say the four Muslim men met in prison and hatched the terrorist plot at a local mosque. I remember he was sitting right over here on that side, and it was the table here. And he made his statements that a woman should not be seen or heard.

39:47 And it was like, is this how he introduced himself to us? He's going to tell us women should not be seen or heard. He would ask about jihad. You'd ask about holy war. I did tell different individuals. I said, stay the hell away from him. Some ain't right about it. He hung around long enough to be able to get somebody to buy into his pocket. To someone like Mr. Cromedy, who had spent his entire life in poverty trying to support himself as a very low-level marijuana dealer, Mr. Shaheed Hussein's wealth, that was a very big thing to him.

40:31 It was crazy. All these different news media started converging onto the property, and automatically I knew it was manufactured. I was the first one to say that this was entrapment. Wow, this is good. And as the meet, they said the media is working hand in hand with these letter agencies. These three letter agencies, yeah. Three letter, three-letter agencies. Hey, you want a good story? You want a scoop? Meet me down in Newberg at 6 o'clock a.m. Roger Stone when, you know, in Florida, they raided his house at five in the morning and they called CNN.

41:15 Yeah. And that was the point I made about Cosby as well. That when they want to make a statement and through the media, these organizations work together. Oh, yeah. One, if you make an enemy, then I can report on it. So it's mutually beneficial to both parties. You get the scoop. If it bleeds, it leads. And I get to feed the machine, the fear machine that begats more fear. And I think that it's, like I said, if it's going on then, it has to be going on now. And some dupes are out there

42:02 as we speak, getting duped. As we speak, getting duped. Yeah, getting duped. Yeah. And what it also does is it makes people fear to assemble, including myself. I would love to intermingle with people, but as you know, you know what I'm saying? I don't do groups. I don't, I mean, because I am smart enough or paranoid enough, whichever way you want to put it, that I know all it takes is a snapshot with your arm around somebody or the arm around you. That's all it takes. And they can build a story or a narrative off of that image. Like, oh, look at them. You know, look at this guy. Look, no, Mo Facts with this guy over here. And I don't know him from a can of paint, but there you have it. You know,

42:48 and you shouldn't have to live like that. But this is the, you know, the oppression of fear. Yeah, and it's, and you're right, it's for everybody. The color doesn't mean much. Although, DVEs, man, it's really white guys. There's no black people there. Well, you know, I'm going to say it like this: if they can make Larry Elder white supremacists, they can easily make a black guy. He was the black face of white supremacy. That was the line. Yeah, beautiful. How easy can do that? If they can do that and the media is report that with a straight face, and like I said, I have my issues with some of the takes Larry Elder has, but if they can read,

43:32 if they can make people believe that, they could easily make a black man into a DVE. So let's get into the final clip from the impact. The government made this movie, and I believe it. Except I know how the movie's made. The arrest itself was a well-staged event. I think Hollywood would have been quite proud. Everything was designed so that every newspaper in New York could say the FBI made a big arrest. It's the best press. Standing next to the really bad guy when you caught him before there's a crime.

44:09 Everybody wants to say, I saved America. The mood within the FBI after 9-11 was that the rules don't apply anymore. But the one message that was close. clear, and for me and the other FBI executives at the time, it was there will be no tolerance for another terrorist attack in this country under any circumstances. The more I started to see what the government had done in here and what the FBI had done here. You realize everybody does really, really, really ugly things. And once you see something like that, you can't unsee it. It could be people did. You don't hurt nobody. Somebody could be in that plane, clean and clean.

44:52 You know what I'm saying? Yeah. You want to just destroy property? You want to take a lives. Yeah, he'll tell you that. Yeah, me too. They try to say my son was a ruthless killer. What things are they talking about? Then when I found out how devious the government really is, and then he was like, well, your son's a terrorist. I said, no, you're the terrorists. You go home and look in the mirror. You created this whole scene. Created a movie. Well, yeah. Yeah. It's quite easy these days. And now that you don't need the, all you need is some footage from a cell phone camera and you could use social media, you know,

45:39 it's even more dangerous because you could take any angle, I mean, any angle from any scene and make it look like you want to make it look and make people out to be the bad guy. And then any news story, you throw a couple thousand bots against it. And John and I have always said the internet made it, you know, didn't really make it better for freedom and free speech. It made it that much easier for the government to propagandize. That's true, but I had to push back against that because it put us on equal footing. Well, that's okay. Pushing back to your pushback. If you go look at the 2000,

46:20 I see maybe it was 2009 or something. 2008 or 2009, Time magazine, Zuckerberg was man of the year. And in that article, Robert Mueller pops his head into Zuckerberg's office during the interview and says, hey, you know, it's just in my office here in the building. Now, Mueller was director of FBI at the time. He was the director of FBI and had his own office in the Facebook building. Yeah, but what I'm saying is we got two guys with two microphones and a couple of laptops. Okay. Okay. Yeah, of course. Obviously, that's a problem. That's the problem.

47:03 Oh, this is why I built Podcasting 2.0. I need to protect us. Yeah. And they never thought that I'll make, I got to make these two points. I don't want to belabor them, but I have to let it slip past. One, with the Newberg situation, if you make black people the face of something, you're going to get a segment of society behind it to rail against it. I'm going to give you an example. Haiti, the border. Yeah. Millions came in the brown people came into this country freely. Afghans that's unvetted came into this country freely. But let 20,000 Haitians show up.

47:44 Now, we, of course, know on this show that all black people are not the same. As far as you have ADAS, non-ADAS, Haitians, whatever. But to the viewing audience, you see a there were a horde of black people headed towards the border. Oh, everybody got in line. Oh, no, no, no. Let's turn them around at the border. Turn them around at the border now. Well, hold on a second. Again, we have to be careful because this was a little different than the, because there's been a continuous stream of people coming in. This 20, 30,000 person group from Haiti, which were always identified as Haitians in every news report.

48:28 And it was really Fox News that pushed this. So this was, you know, what was different was you had a huge amount. It was just streaming across the river. Personally, I have a feeling that that's, yes, you're right. There's always going to be someone. But living in Texas and I live in the Hill Country. And, you know, so this is not your typical Austin people. They really are more angry about just the fact that it's happening than who it is. Is there no, no, is there going to be a contingent? Yes, but it's, it's, I don't really feel it like that. No, the Texans were like, stop everybody. You know what I'm saying? I'm even pro strong border.

49:12 The point I'm making is if you want to stop. stop, say, okay, now I'm about to get because I don't do conspiracies, but let's just say, for instance, that you want to stop illegal immigration. Say, dang, we blew out the border. How do we stop it? Send 20,000 blacks to the border. If we stop them, we can stop everybody. Because the view of it, and I'm just telling you, because the same thing with the Newberg case. When you make black people the face of something, it's a little more scary to a certain segment of society. Now, people on the border, even myself, I'm like, nobody should come here

49:50 the wrong way. You know, I'm pro-strong border because that's more competition, unfair competition is introduced to the, you know, into the ecosystem of our economy. But what I'm just saying is the optics of it scares the crap. I don't know why. I do know why, but I don't know why. It scared the crap out of not the conservative side, but the liberal side. Notice they had no problem with saying turn them around the border. And I'm going to say this: who lives under a bridge? A person without a home. That was symbolic. No, you don't have a home here. Turn them around. That's just my view of it. Like I said, you can push back on it, but that's how it's perceived to me.

50:34 Yeah, I don't have any evidence one way or the other, just what's around me. And in this particular case, now, when it's brown people, I think that it's more prevalent because it's, ah, fucking Mexicans are coming, even though they're from completely different countries. Just this one particular case, I'm not so sure. I mean, you may have, you clearly have a different experience. It's just, it's been so pushed that this is Haiti and it's Haitians and the M5M is lying about them coming from their earthquake country. So there's a lot of focus to make it softer in a way is what I'm feeling.

51:18 I understand your point. I just don't know if subconsciously. That's a show for another day, but I just want to make my perception of it. It's fine, man. It's fine. Yeah, I do. My perception of it is when you make it a darker hue, it's a problem. Now, we flew people in from Afghanistan. Now, we were talking about terrorism now, manufactured terrorism with the Newberg sting. But we're bringing people in unvetted, no problem. Yeah, but hold on because I follow this. That news of Afghans being brought in, which was starting to create an outrage. By the way, a lot of Afghans, not brown, just so everybody knows, you know, there's a lot of white Afghans.

52:02 But that was overshadowed by the Haitians as a news story. So that's why I think that people's focus was turned away, maybe purposefully, because, yeah, there were stories about there was a couple of Afghans who immediately had to be deported because they were criminals. Yeah, I mean, they were whipping that, excuse me, whooping tail and choking people and all kinds of stuff on army bases. So, yeah, I'm just saying that's just a perception of mine. It's like branding. If you want to brand it a certain way, I got you. Let people do it. And the reason why I brought that up, I didn't want to bring Haiti into it too much, but I think they tried that with this case because I don't know if it's known to you or not, but in every prison, and they made the point that said they met in prison, in every major prison, there's a Muslim population of black men.

52:50 Yes. So it's like, ooh, we got a whole terrorist cell in every prison. Like this, this is a real bonanza. I remember hearing this after 9-11. So probably 2005, 6, 7, there was a lot of this talk. Yeah. So, I mean, I think it flopped. It flopped hard. Now, you brought up Mueller. Is that Mueller akin to John Mueller, the senior fellow at the Cato Institute? I don't know. I don't know if he is or not. I don't know. I have a clip of John Mueller speaking on the Newberg Sting. Yeah, what I've been doing is a set of case studies that Ben mentioned,

53:31 which are of every case since 9-11 in which there has been an Islamist terrorist who has either, who has apparently tried to do damage within the United States. This would include not only terrorists in the United States, like the Hamburg people, the Newberg people, but also the people like the Schubomber and so forth, people who are based overseas. So there's now 70 cases, and there's a flyer out there, if you didn't pick it up, with 69 cases, but one just happened over the weekend. So there are now 70 cases that we'll be looking at, and most of them have fully developed case studies. The case seems to be fairly unique. This particular case is special in several. several respects, but two in particular stand out to me.

54:13 One is the first time the FBI actually went to actually having them push the button. Previously, when they had informants, by the way, of the 70 cases or so, more than half of them have inside, have informants, people working in the plot, not just looking at it from outside, surveilling it, but actually looking within the plot. And of the 19 cases since 2010 or so, the 19 cases in this decade, 15 of them have been types with an informant working inside. At any rate, in the early days, they basically just getting information about this guy who wants to do something, and then they're trying to bring court cases. Then it got closer to actually giving them weapons or having to take weapons.

54:56 My God, this is a great explanation of the entire six-week cycle concept. This is fantastic. Like you said, and I didn't lead you. That's why I let you speak about pushing the button. But this is one of the first cases on record where it's like, oh, we got to get him at the scene, actually pressing the button because it's getting harder and harder to try these cases where you know, where it's just an alleged attack. This was planned, was thwarted, is the word they like to use. This was thwarted. Robert Mueller has four younger sisters, no brothers. All right, different Mueller. Yeah, different one. All right. So I guess we can get back into the second clip or John.

55:39 It turns out the government did absolutely everything that the defense predicted in its previous motion to dismiss this indictment. The government indisputably manufactured the crimes of which this defendant stand convicted, and they did all the details. There's not the slightest doubt in my mind that James Cromaty could never have dreamed of the scenario, which actually became he actually became involved in. And if by some chance he did, he would not have had the slightest idea of how to make it happen. I believe beyond a shadow of a doubt, which is extremely, you know, not vague doubt, but without beyond a shadow of a doubt, that there would never have been a crime here except the government instigated it, planned it, and brought it to fruition.

56:17 She also points out a couple of ingenious things that the government did do. One was they basically made it so that these guys would get their weapons in Connecticut. So that made it a federal case because he went outside of New York. And the other thing they did was essentially pursue the idea of bombing with a Stinger missile, shooting a plane, which presumably on the ground with nobody in it. It was flying, these guys would never in a million years be able to hit it. They probably couldn't hit it even if they're standing right next to it on the ground. But at any rate, she then basically did this Stinger missile thing, which, as pointed out earlier, a 25-year sentence if you tried to take it on an airplane or planning to do it.

56:57 So in many respects, the government made that happen because they didn't have to do the Stinger missile. They could have done something else like blowing up a bridge or something like it was originally there. Kromati was incapable of committing an act of terrorism on his own. And the informant was the prime mover instigator of all the criminal activity. I remember this now. I totally remember this with the Stinger missiles. I think they were doing that at LaGuardia or something. I think it was the Air Force Base. I'm not mistaken. It's possible. It's possible. Yes, I remember this. Yeah, so that's the whole point. And then they also had to sprinkle in and synagogues. So, you know, they had to go to that.

57:40 Of course. On the way to the airport, we're going to knock off a couple of synagogues while it's at it to get certain people alarmed at their power. So, I mean, it's like a dog whistle. Pay attention. Pay attention. Right. So we all know what that, what that we're saying equates to when they throw the synagogues in there. But yeah, I mean, this, this, this, uh, John Mueller, he said this is the first time that they had people on the inside working. Well, obviously, he didn't know Darthard Perry, which he, this is a throwback clip from 41, just about, and it was a record, aired, this interview aired in 1980, and he did most of his actions in the late 60s, early

58:24 in the 70s. Ex-FBI informant talks infiltration. In the summer of 1978, I interviewed a man who worked as an informal for the FBI during the 1960s. His name is Darthard Perry, also known as Ed Riggs, also known as Bill Perry, also known as Othello. How were you paid? The pay was always in cash. Cash, and you would sign a card. It would go like this: a rendezvous or a drop-off point would be picked out either by yourself or the agent. You would meet the agent there, and usually it would be. be in a vehicle. You get in a vehicle, he would hand you the money.

59:08 He would tell you first to count the money. He would tell you the amount while you counted it. If the amount was there, he would then bring out a card. On that card would be for the week of such and such. In other words, the week was dated, so-and-so has been paid the amount of. Then you would sign the card, and then the agent would sign the card. The reason for this is that if all of a sudden the IRS became very interested about where you were getting all this extra money from, you could always tell them to go back to the bureau and the bureau would have your cards on file. Gotta get those W-2s. Oh, yeah.

59:51 Oh, my goodness. So, this was going on in the 60s. Of course, with Corontel Pro and those things, and this guy was setting fires and intermingling with you imagine how sophisticated this stuff is now, considering how long they've been pulling these scams. Yeah, but I think it works because it's not sophisticated. It's poor people, cash. You can get into places that we can't. And that's the nuance we're talking about that humans have. That, you know, even with technology, it's limitations, right?

1:00:30 Yeah. It's certain limitations that you can't. If somebody approaches you online, it's a little different when somebody approaches you in person, right? That's why these people are so valuable to these three-letter agencies. Right. So, yeah, so you heard him say it himself. So let's get into the second part of this clip. Were there such things as bonuses? Oh, yes. What were they paid for? Bonuses were paid for. Suppose while you were meeting with

1:01:08 or you were at a meeting with Bobby Seals, Chu Lai of the Red Army happened to come to the meeting too, which is something which would be a new development. That's bonus time. In other words, a hot piece of information. Hot piece, very hot piece. Did you ever suffer pangs of conscience? Quite a few times. Quite a few times. I still suffer pains of conscience. I suffer from the fact that a lot of people trusted me and I misused that trust.

1:01:47 I suffer from the fact that a lot of information that I gave out was the undoing of certain groups or certain people. Sound familiar? Welcome to the bottom, folks. DVEs, welcome to the bottom. As you always say, it's you first. You just hold the door open. Here we are. This is the wrong door. This is the wrong door you want to go through. You don't want to go through this door because as we saw with the Proud Boys, they had the leader who was an Afro-Latino. He was working with the feds, allegedly. And they brought him in right before that.

1:02:32 He couldn't be at the 16th protest. Like, oh, no, no, no. We found you with some kind of magazines or something. We're taking you out the game. You know, that kind of thing. And like I said, we saw this with the mob. We saw this with all kinds of groups, either political or just criminal with these infiltrators. And like I said, I just want to humanize because they maybe they're saying, oh, well, it's for the greater good, but you can't circumvent people's rights. That's my issue with it. You know, do it the right way. If you want to catch people, do it the right way. Yes. You mean like do it legally, do your job properly and stop mucking around?

1:03:15 Right. Don't infringe on people's rights. I'm big on rights because when I go in a courtroom, I would hope to have all mine protect me. And when I see other people's rights eroded away, that is a big issue with me. Because if you could take that person, even if I don't agree with that person, even if I don't like that person, they should have a fair trial. They shouldn't be entrapped. They shouldn't be, you know, honeypotted or whatever the terms you want to use to get it. I want a clean case because that's the thing. If I'm not that way, then I'm a hypocrite, you know. To say, yeah, I don't like them, so do what you got to do to get them.

1:03:56 No, of course. Of course. And I think, like I said, I think. think that's the thinking that came, that was the silver lining of the 9-11 thing. A lot of people felt that way, like, that feels icky, right? You know what I'm saying? Like, that doesn't, that doesn't feel right. Even it, oh, I understand. I understand 9-11. I understand the buildings or whatever. I mean, just take it circus level. But Iraq, like, what are we doing in Iraq? I don't make it make sense. But nobody said anything at the time, but I think that shaped people my age and maybe a little younger. Well, that was two things. That was a lie, of course, but it was Colin Powell who held up the vial of anthrax, and then there was the aluminum tubes.

1:04:41 That was a New York Times lie. They lied. They dropped that yellow cake. Yeah. But it was totally based off of the New York Times reporting, and they just had bad information. I would say they lied. But yeah. Oh, yeah. Like I said, that's why we want to end. But that shaped the generation of now. Oh, no. To say it's not fair. I think we're, yes. The general population is more about fairness now than it was just, oh, pro-America, yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, we want it, we want it clean. Like, we want to win, we want to clean win. We don't want, you know, we don't want to, like you said, use your word, not want it mucked up.

1:05:22 So now getting back to the black, I got to get back to it because we got to go talk about the Black Panthers. Yes. And what they did for gun rights in a negative way. So just catch people up. This came from 41 as well. And if it wasn't for the Black Panthers and them being given guns and standing outside the state capitol, then you don't have the gun rights that we have today or the gun laws, not rights, but the policing of gun rights that we have today. And those guns were supplied by, you guessed it, FBI.

1:06:01 Of course. We begin today's show with explosive new allegations that the man who gave the Black Panther Party some of its first firearms and weapons training was an undercover FBI informant in California. Richard Aoki was an early member of the Panthers and the only Asian American to have a formal position in the party. He was also a member of the Asian American political alliance that was involved in the Third World Liberation Front student strike. The claim that Aoki was informed on his colleagues is based on statements made by a former agent of the FBI in a report obtained by investigative journalist Seth Rosenfeld, author of the new book, Subversives: The FBI's War on Student Radicals and Reagan's Rise to Power.

1:06:49 Yeah, so once again, handing out guns for political. It's like the double cross. It's here's guns look scary. So now we can implement what we really want to implement, gun control. So that's my point. It was, I think, the same thing with the Newberg Sting. It was here, here's bombs, here's stinger missiles. Now we can really clamp down on the domestic, like this was like the real birth of the domestic terrorists because they were American citizens.

1:07:25 Of course. What year was this again? The Newberg. I think, I could say, I think that was, I want to say 2008 or something. Yeah. Yes. Okay. So, yeah. So it's, well, they're not over there anymore. They're over here and they're radicalizing. As we heard, they're radicalizing our American citizens. You know, that's how powerful the narrative was. And like, and the same thing with Richard Airoke. So I think we can skip past where we stopped at 15. Yeah. We don't need to listen to 16, but I want to get 16A because as we heard on the last show, 66

1:08:05 with the Black Panther Party and what was going on in Baltimore. One of the other really fascinating things in your book, you talk about the history of policing in Baltimore. And you told me before the interview that you sort of see some parallels today. We might be under a new age of surveillance if it's not already started today. And I think one of the most fascinating things in your book, you talk about how the Baltimore chapter of the Black Panther Party was actually started as part of a COINTELPRO operation, which is run by the FBI to sort of

1:08:47 infiltrate the national chapter, which was based in Chicago and in Oakland. Right. And so what happened was that an army. veteran who had joined the National Security Agency, which had built a new headquarters near Baltimore, was sent here to create a Black Panther Party in Baltimore. That lasted for about a year, and then he disappeared only to resurface in Canada as an agent provocateur. The reason why he went to Canada was that the Royal Mounted Police did not have any black agents. So the FBI lent him to Canada. Lend a snitch. It's like, oh, you got any black guys down there in America? We need to rent a snitch. It's like,

1:09:32 and that goes to show it's international. Hey, just curiosity. Do we have any idea of the, at the time, at least, of the racial makeup of the FBI? Oh, no, they actually had black agents. I mean, that was some of the things that I was doing. No, no, no, but I'm just curious. What do you think the ratio is? Oh, very small. I mean, they were hired as, I mean, they had black agents that came to talk to, you know, Malcolm X and Marshall King. So, you know, they always had the people. And like I said, to humanize them. We don't want to, you know, dehumanize anybody.

1:10:11 I'm sure they felt that they were doing the best thing they could for their country because we know some of these groups were based in communism as well. So they might have like, well, yeah, we're taking down this group, but we were fighting the evil red, you know, that kind of thing. And that's the, but that's the same mentality now, right? Is, yeah, you know, we're locking up the 160s, but we're taking down the evil nationalists. Or no, that kind of thinking. What I'm just doing is I'm laying out it's back to the future. Totally. Which the whole way I'm walking it back is like

1:10:48 this is happening right now in certain groups. It's people showing up with bags full of money, bags full of arms, whatever else, and making inroads in groups to erode our way our rights. I mean, that's my biggest thing. It's like, as an Antario said in this clip, it's the surveillance. Look at all the stuff we gave up out of fear. You can't ride anywhere. I was talking to somebody today. You can't ride anywhere without being recorded now. Oh, no kidding. And let's remember. Let's just remember what's in your pocket. I mean, even past your neighbor's house, the ring doorbells, the

1:11:28 ring doorbell network, which is traffic cameras, all those things. Can you hear me? It's just normal. Can you hear me, Mo? Oh, you can't hear me. That's what I thought. Yeah, hold on. Yeah, it's the ring doorbell network that has been licensed to every single police department in the country. I mean, they literally have a continuous view of almost every single street because we're stupid. It's fear. It's fear. I mean, well, the ring doorbell. Yes, it's fear. Of course it's fear. But it's also complete ignorance. People really don't understand what they're giving up by doing this kind of stuff. Well, people were peeing on people's and taking craps on people's doorstep. I mean, of course, we know.

1:12:13 I can't say, of course, we know. It's highly likely that Amazon was doing native ads to scare people. Like, Luke, what's happening outside your door where you're not home? Oh, totally. Don't you want to know? I'm like, they've stolen packages, all those things. They, you know, and well, here, I have an example. I have an example, I think, because it's just maybe just a news story, but that's what was going on is you'd have news stories where they talk about the ring doorbell. And those were native ads like this, I think. Carving allegations tonight out of North Phoenix. A mother accused of abusing her own son, and police say they have the visual evidence to prove it.

1:12:53 Nicole Marker and her boyfriend, William Johnson, now facing charges. Police started investigating after Marker's young child showed up at school with a burn on his hand. That's a fun story. Later, recovering thousands of ring video clips inside and outside the child's home near 32nd Street in Bell. Yeah. Colonel inside. Inside, too. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, they didn't tell you that part. Whoops. Or like the kid, like the CPS coming to people's houses due to Alexa. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, it accidentally recorded you. I'm so sorry. Right. So, I mean, that's all I'm saying is, but as we just stay in Baltimore for a minute, The Wire, it showed us this.

1:13:36 You know, of we saw in Newark. Started with the cell phones. No, they had the camera. Remember, they put the camera up on the corner. Yeah. You know, so it was there. I mean, and it was like, okay. yeah, stop crime. New Jersey was like ground zero for this kind of surveillance. And now it's just like accepted that you can't go anywhere without being recorded. I mean, almost to the point where it doesn't even exist anymore. Like, you know, you're not even conscious of being recorded. And remember that the best spy device is the one you have in your pocket. Oh, yeah, it tracks you, you know, tells you when you sleep, when you wake.

1:14:15 I read a great story this morning. Spotify, the Spotify app, apparently is wearing down the battery on brand new iPhones. Like an hour of listening to Spotify drains the battery by 30%. And the company says, well, yeah, you know, it's doing a lot of data processing. Like, really? To play a song? Yeah, it's doing a lot of data products. And we're not quite sure we can change this. And the recommendation is: don't let it run in the background. Oh, my goodness. They're mining your whole life to sell it. And I'm sure they'd be happy to accept a subpoena. Well, I'll even say not only to sell it, but they're mining your whole life to shape it.

1:14:59 How many times do you actually select what you want to hear next or watch next? It's like, here, you watch that, you'll love this. Yep. And people are like mildly central to Netflix and it just like, okay, yeah, show me that. Or YouTube. Okay, yeah, I guess I like that. So this goes back into the shaping of society and the social programming that's going on, which I find very, you know what I'm saying, very troubling. But while this is something that you missed from the live, we talked about Michael K. Williams. Yeah. And my favorite role of his is not Omar.

1:15:39 It is Chalky White from Boy Wall Empire. And when mining those clips for that, I covered it a lot of good stuff in the live, the lost tapes for 66. I went across this clip again. I mean, we're always aware of it, but this is a fascinating, it's a dramatization, but it's a character called Dr. Narcis. And he was this, I think he was Bahamian, I want to say, but he comes into the black community and he's pushing the kind of self-empowerment, that kind of thing.

1:16:18 But he's a pimp and I think a drug dealer. But, you know, he looked down on Chalky White, the character play by Mike K. Williams, because he's this elitist black person. And Chalky White is like this poor, you know, country southern black man. But the beauty of it is Dr. Narcis ends up getting flipped in the show by J. Edgar Hoover. You entered this country through the port of New Orleans in 1898. Is that correct? I beg your pardon. Is that correct? Who are you? The one asking questions.

1:17:03 1898, yes. 26 years in the United States. But you're not a citizen. And that is grounds for detaining me. How? Why would you go on living in a country you don't wish to belong to? The exile does not choose his Babylon. You're compatriot, Garvey. He thinks you should all return to Africa. That would be an oversimplification of his philosophy.

1:17:43 What am I missing? I doubt that I could make you to understand. You seem to be a clever fellow. Who do you think it's to decide what the truth is? Truth is what those in power wish it to be. During the course of investigating the seditious activities of Marcus Garvey, James M.

1:18:18 Tolliver, special agent with the Bureau of Investigation, was murdered in Atlantic City, New Jersey by an unidentified colored male. Dr. Valentin Narcis assisted the Bureau in apprehending the suspect. So we know, as we covered in previous shows, J. Edgar Hoover really had an issue with. Marcus Garvey. Well, first, we need to remind people because I think John Fletcher brought it up to me the other day that J. Edgar Hoover was African-American. He was born.

1:18:59 Yeah, he's a black man. This is such a mind-boggling thing if you tell people, like, what? What episode was that, Mo, if anyone wants to go back and check it? Do you remember what that was? I think that was in either 31 or 41, I believe. It may have been earlier, but I think we played it, throw maybe throwback clip. And those, we've been on this trail for a while. That was a good one, though. That was one of my favorites. That's where I'm like, what? How come this is not known? Because it's problematic to the narrative. No kidding. Black man harassing black men like Marcus Garvey, Martin Luther King. You can't have that narrative. He has to be a cross-dressing white man. That's the narrative.

1:19:42 I mean, that's what they want us to believe, right? It's more easy to believe that he's right. That he's a cross-dresser. I mean, I don't know if he, I don't know if it's sexuality. I just know he likes dressed up in women's clothes, but allegedly. But he can't be a black man. Oh, no. Even though we have proof of his lineage, that would ruin what we always talk about. But that by itself just blows your brain up. Yeah, it does. That's why they can't let it happen because then it's like, okay, then why do you have it for black people for black people then? Exactly. Is it because, like I said, communism was a big issue with his, as well as, you know what I'm saying, taking down, as he said in this clip, quoted as saying in the clip seditious groups.

1:20:28 So, but I thought that's a wonderful clip of an agent flipping someone into an informant. And let's just move ahead a little bit. The one that played the role of Dr. Narcis was Jeffrey Wright. And he's on the Sway universe, Sway in the Morning. And he goes and gives some insight and history on the character behind Dr. Narcis. Is your character based on anybody in history as well? My character is based on a historical guy, but he's this guy

1:21:05 really distorted. There's a guy named Casper Holstein, who in the early 1920s was the numbers king, the first big numbers king in Harlem. The guy was making like $12,000 a day, they said. He was making millions, early 20s. He was from the Virgin Islands. He was an immigrant. He came as a young, as a youngster. He ended up at one point getting a job as a courier for a Wall Street connected family, I think, out in Brooklyn, white family. So they gave him a job eventually on Wall Street, menial job, like a janitor or something like that.

1:21:43 Apparently, he ended up in the closets during the day studying the stock reports, the stock indices. And he would just study. Oh, he had, you know, very, you know, a mathematical mind, apparently. What he did ultimately was he tied the daily number to the stock index. So all you had to do was go to the newspaper and look at certain results and you knew what the number was. So there's no ambiguity. There was no way of fixing it. And that's how his game became the game to play. So he was making literally millions in the early 20s. He was one of the biggest philanthropists in the world or in the country, advocating on behalf of rights for the Virgin Islands.

1:22:24 He also was a Garveyite. When Marcus Garvey's empire started to crumble, he was the one who paid for Liberty Hall. He saved the building that housed the Universal Negro Improvement Association. Bad dude. You know who he reminded me of when they were telling this story? No. The legend of Frank Lucas and an American gangster. That this one black man was bringing in all of these drugs to supply all of America. It's like, really? Is that really what you want to believe that one black man was bringing in all the drugs to supply all of America in the 1970s?

1:23:04 Please pay no attention to the involvement of the CIA or the military. Right. And the same case with this. There was no follow-up question saying, hey, was he really working with Hoover? Nope. Nobody asked that. I mean, that's the million dollar question, right? Was he really working with Hoover? And, you know what I'm saying? An alleged black man or a suspected black man because he said he's from Bahamas. Because we know when we say that word black, it means something different than how they use it, you know what I'm saying, so loosely. But making millions of dollars running numbers, and he didn't come across Hoover's radar. Yeah. Yeah. And this is our first time. time hearing about him. I mean, like, it's just,

1:23:43 like I said, it's just fascinating. Well, but what's cool about it is just like that with the Oath Keepers, you know, the terrorist domestic violent extremist terrorist group. It's the same thing with the leader. And let's not at all mention Rev Al. Oh, yeah. With the cowboy hat on, you know what I'm saying? By suitcases full of cocaine. No problem. But what's the story? Oh, he took down the mob. Oh, yeah, yeah, exactly. It was the righteous justification of what he did. So, yeah, it's

1:24:21 that's that's the backstory of, you know, the history of informants throughout, you know, early America and early the FBI, going all the way back from the Black Panthers all the way back to Marcus Garvey and the creation of the agency. And then one more thing I'd just like to bring up is the NAACP was created by a person in a government agency. So it's true? Yes, we cover that. Spingard. I know we cover so much. So much. Yeah, Spingard, which now they give out the Spingard Award.

1:25:03 So it's like, did they have control on both sides? Because, you know, Du Bois and Garvey, you know what I'm saying, were like kind of pitted against each other or didn't like each other. And we know clearly that Du Bois is being handed, Du Boy, Du Bois, Bois was being handled by Spingard. Was Casper the handler on Marcus Garvey's side? You know, we got to ask these questions because it's the same thing going on. Like now, it's groups being pitted against each other or being afraid of each other. But before we move on, we got to thank the most important people to the show, the producers.

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1:27:44 Oh, that's right. That was a tough appearance the second time. Tough appearance. I've been listening ever since. Also consumed all the back issues, and it's all mind-blowing stuff from Atonement to Kanye. Mo does not disappoint. No jingles, no karma. Just keep doing what you do. And thank you both for your courage. And thank you, Chris. Appreciate that. By the way, Mo, I'm kind of hoping one of these days we'll talk about Donda a bit. Yeah. Of course, we ought to have the right backdrop. But yeah, we definitely could. I was going to try to squeeze it in on the potluck, but it just didn't make the cut. But what are you hearing about? I'm hearing good things. I'm healing really good things. And of course, I also, you know, I listened to it once.

1:28:29 It's, you know, this, I like how he gets you into the kind of into the mind control. control with track one. I'm just chant at you and see what happens. All right, for a future episode, fantastic. Uh, next on the list, uh, executive producer Jonathan Drawver, draw ver drawer. Is that should that be a V drawer? I think it's draw verge, draw it. Okay, that's how it's how it spells. Um, 167. He says, uh, keep educating, give everybody some Mo Karma. We love doing that. You've got Mo Karma Lanvy New. Uh, I think it's Wynn. Nguyen, yes, Nguyen.

1:29:14 But no, no, but wait. She's affectionately known as Tiger Auntie of the show. Oh, and very active on the lives as well. Shall we put Tiger Auntie as the executive producer then? Yes, please. Yes, yes, Tiger Auntie. Okay, taking care of the Tiger Auntie. The Tiger Auntie. You got it. Man, I got to hook up with these lives. That's where all the action is. And we got some cool stuff for that too in the coming months with the live. It's all secret. The Tiger Auntie, $150. Thank you, Tiger Auntie. Hi, Mo. I think you'll probably have some Knights and Dames soon. I want to extend my offer again to assist with the production of the MF Bling.

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1:31:15 Awesome. Yeah. And I love butterflies too because out here in the country of Virginia, we have tons of them. The butterflies are very fascinating. Yeah, beautiful. Yeah. Thank you very much. Great. And that's value. Like that, that whole fantastic. Okay, yeah. Okay, you got to send me the link. I want to see it. Yeah, but I think, did we finish your note? Yeah. Was there anything? Was there something? Yeah, direct artisan cost, materials. Yeah, shipping. Yeah, I read that. I read that. No, what I'm saying is that that's huge value. That's value. That's value right there. I love that. Tiger Auntie, we definitely will be talking with you. And she also offered to do some. I remember all these things.

1:31:53 It's just that time is of the essence right now. But soon we'll have more time to get into these other ventures. Hey, so far, I'm seeing us do a show every two weeks. That's progress. Tell you, man, I'm a scheduler, man. I'm a planner. Don't ever tell me to say, oh, we can do something on this date. Just let me know. No, give me a date and a time. Yeah, it took me 60 episodes. I figured it out. Well, it took my wife many years to figure it out. So don't worry about it. I don't feel bad. I don't feel that like the doctor's appointments. No, you're going. Yeah, right. You're going now. We got Greg Wheeler Jr. with 111-11. And let's see a nice note here.

1:32:35 A long one. Thank you for doing the work that you do, my brothers. A perspective such as yours in this day and time is a blessing, truly means a great deal. Having the courage to speak out and take the stances you do lends courage to souls and mind like mine that feel as though the world is spinning this wicked web without most people ever even taking notice of it. Knowing that we aren't alone is beyond encouraging and reassuring. Finding your podcast and the No Agenda podcast was a godsend. Was starting to think I was simply crazy. Jerry's still out, perhaps on this. Yeah, I got that. A song by Fire from the Gods called Truth to the Weak Reimagined came to mind today as I was listening, wondering if you've heard it.

1:33:13 I personally have not. I don't know if you've heard it. I haven't either. They're closing in on us at my workplace in regards to unclean human, heathen human resources that haven't taken the jab. You having the courage to speak out as someone not giving in gave me hope, though. I believe that this is a dress rehearsal rehearsal for. for something else and that is about to remove removal of certain rights and the rollout of something else and a certain desensitization to it. I guess he's, what is he talking about? Guns, probably. I think, yes, I think just it's a test. It's like, what can we put in your body? Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's nothing you can do past that. Yeah, once you do that, then you're right. I agree with that.

1:33:56 I have faith in the truth and that we can stand through the storm, not automatically, that we will, that we will, but that we will, but simply that we can, that we can if we stand for each other and with each other as brothers and sisters. There's ugly blots riddled throughout our history, and our foundation is rotten. The rot has spread and is spreading, but there's moments that shine through like a light in the dark. Lone candles in the wilderness at the bottom of the chasm. I think of the families in Germany and surrounding countries that hid Jewish people from the Nazi soldiers at their own voluntarily acquired peril, and even the Nazi officers that went into their own pockets to provide medical care for the inhabitants of the camps. Not that it nullifies their actions, but still it shows an ounce of humanity, even in the most vile.

1:34:39 Victor Franco wrote of these happenings. I recall the stories of abolitionists of yesterday and today, like groups like Operation Underground Railroad, that are saving our children around the world from trafficking and the worst of us. And I remember that there are also angels among us, so to speak, or maybe, so to speak, or maybe literally. The jury is out on that for me here, too. But I trust that there are forces of light, truth, and good if there are forces of evil. And I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are indeed here as people or otherwise, whatever name we are to cast. We see the fruit of their labor, don't we? I believe so. I think I speak for many when I say that you guys are a force for good and a voice for truth in a moment of mass consenting silence.

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1:36:48 Kyle. Kyle. But it's Dame Girl. I thought we were supposed to say Kylie. You were supposed to say Kyle. It may be. I have done this wrong to her so many times. It's embarrassing, Mo. It's embarrassing. It throws me because I have a Kylie that works with me and it has an I in it. So that's one of us is right and one of us is wrong. So at least we're in good company. Well, we appreciate your 67 show number donation. Thank you very much. And you might as well just email me and let me know how to do it again. I want to say it's Kylie because I know that I'll defer to you. I'll defer to you. That's what I'm hoping I'm right.

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1:39:01 Thank you all so much. It is incredibly appreciated, especially the personal words that you guys are putting in there and information that you have to pass on to us. I like it when we get recommendations for songs, for books, for movies. It's really good. Time, talent, treasure. That's what it's all about. If you'd like to support us, you can get a new podcast app, newpodcastapps.com, or go to mofax.com and give us some good old-fashioned cuck bucks through PayPal or the Cash App. We will take it all and it's highly appreciated. So I know everybody is like, I thought we were going to talk about QAnon and why did he go the way he went?

1:39:40 I wanted to lay out the history. That way we could understand the present and maybe even predict the future of what's going to happen. So now we get into QAnon. This is from 60 Minutes. And this is QAnon's corrosive impact on the U.S. In just three years, the extremist ideology of QAnon has captured the minds and imaginations of tens of millions of Americans. Their core belief, a global cabal, including Democrats, Hollywood elites, and members of what they call the deep state, control much of our lives. The cabal commits atrocities, including pedophilia, Satan worship, and cannibalizing children.

1:40:23 But it will be vanquished by Donald Trump in an apocalyptic day called the storm. QAnon was born when an anonymous character named Q began posting cryptic riddles in an online forum known for hosting hateful and racist content. The movement prospered in pandemic isolation, its followers occasionally erupting in acts of violence, culminating in the assault on the Capitol. But the prophesied storm never happened. Instead, Donald Trump left office, and QAnon followers have found themselves at a moment of truth.

1:41:02 The story will continue in a moment. The only thing I don't like about that report is the blatant lie that it's only Democrat politicians. As far as I know, the QAnon stuff about the Peto Bear, and it was politicians and elites. It was never Democrats. And from what I understand, it's a one-world government. So, I mean, it's kind of hard to have a two-party one-world government, but that's the narrative. And what troubled me in this is that they kind of lump everything in there. If you believe in a deep state, you're QAnon.

1:41:43 If you believe in children being trafficked around the world, you're QAnon. If most of the things we talk about on this show, people would, we could easily be thrown in that group. Sure. And they also said that the key point I wanted to point out is this, they were a captive audience. I think with a lot of free time, people started doing their own research. And if you notice, research has been demonized. Like, oh, you're greedy? Oh, it's like you're there was the QAnon people who are debunking the coronavirus.

1:42:24 They do a lot of their own research. Right. Yeah. Which I have to bring this up. The big fish has landed. The king has been jabbed. LeBron James has officially came out and said he's taking the vaccine and he had to make an announcement. And in there, he says, after doing my own research, so I'm like, oh, it's good. That's great. Oh, my God. Research is good. You know what I'm saying? It's good for the kid. It's good for the kids. Well, it's good if you agree with it. The narrative is being pushed. But if it's counter counter the narrative, then it's like, oh, no, no, no, you can't do your own research, which I think

1:43:05 they had to come at QAnon for several reasons. One, I think when they shut down the machine in Hollywood, people, the spell broke, and people started doing their own research and watching other, you know, uh, content, listening to, I hate the word, but alt media. And that was a problem. And then what also happened is we started seeing celebrities and stars and their top people that pushed the narrative of Hollywood and elites. They were normal. We saw them in their kitchens. We saw them in their bathrooms. We saw them, you know, all that broke the bells and wheels. It broke a lot of spells, man. Broke a lot of spells. And that was the thing.

1:43:49 It's like, well, how do we get them back into control? Well, we make them fear research or looking into things. Like, if you bring up, you know, anything in that list of things that we listed, oh, you're QAnon. Yeah, just demonize. You're QAnon. Yeah, just demonize. Which is a similar way with, it's in reverse of what they done, what we listed in the first part of the show. They lumped everybody in together by these loosely based, like you said, if you believe in a deep state, which deep state is a common used term by politicians. But if you believe in it, you're QAnon. That kind of thing. It's like, what? Like, hold on. They talk about the deep state. They talk about the one world government. They talk about kids being trafficked.

1:44:35 Those kind of things. So it's just, it's weird that they did this, but it gets even worse with the whole QAnon thing. Let's just go ahead and get into part two. Joe Biden gets sworn in, and you started seeing chatter online. I've been conned. This has all been a scam. And they were out, which is great. That is rare for radicalized individuals. Elizabeth Newman was in charge of policy to counter domestic extremism at the Department of Homeland Security in the Trump administration. The prophecies did not happen. The storm didn't happen. Is there an opportunity right now to, as we say, off-ramp some of these people? Absolutely. For many, it was a light switch effect. But for others, you see them struggling.

1:45:20 They're trying to make sense of it. And so they're very vulnerable right now. They're vulnerable to being convinced about some of these newer theories. There's a new one that March 4th, March 4th is the day that President Trump is going to return and he's going to be president again. If we're at a moment where some of these people are disillusioned and maybe open to new ideas, are far-right extremists, white supremacists, even neo-Nazis, jumping in to this breach right now and trying to peel them off and radicalize them even more? Yes, they see opportunity. They have been posting guides on how to approach a disheartened QAnon adherent, making it clear that you don't want to make fun of their ideology.

1:46:08 You don't want to be too direct about your white supremacist views. You want to be empathetic. Which I missed this the whole time. I just caught this when I was doing these clips. Storm the Capitol. The storm. Yeah. No, I'm just saying. That's why I think they use that term, storm the capital. Oh, as a, as a kid with that hat. Oh, this was QAnon related. You know what I'm saying? Because they said it twice in the last two clips of storm.

1:46:48 I was like, that's a weird. Don't they just say riot or, you know, it was just storms. They stormed the Capitol. They stormed. They stormed. Such a good point, Moe. Good catch. Yeah. So I found that just fascinating. But now it's like, where are they? You know, they're nomads with no place to go. And they're ripe for the being inducted into white supremacy, which QAnon was all different people. I played clips from the show where it was spreading throughout the quote-unquote urban community. I mean, we heard it on urban radio stations being discussed and the Boulet and Puffy and other black celebrities was part of it.

1:47:32 So it was, like I said, I think they wanted some way to get people back in line to say, if it doesn't come from your television screen from a big network, then it's fake. It's phony. No, it's dangerous. It's not even, yeah, it's dangerous. You don't want that. You don't, none of that alt media. No, no, no, no. That causes white supremacy. You know, that kind of thing is the same thing with what we just talked about with Elaire Elder, right? Doing your research causes white supremacy. You don't want to catch it. Right. And it's like the white supremacists are empathetic to the QAnon listeners.

1:48:13 But what? really troubled me was the impact that it has on parents. Oh, family. Oh, family. Family's parents. And we see the same thing with the vax situation that it's dividing families. But I have some clips here again for 60 minutes. And listen to how they talk about how it destroyed families. But their loved ones who they said have fallen into QAnon conspiracies are very much alive. And in order to protect their privacy, we aren't sharing their last names. Wheeler is a 28-year-old Army veteran who said he now struggles to connect with his parents because of what he described as their fascination with conspiracy theories.

1:48:57 It's been a very slow death of the people that I once knew. Now I don't recognize them. And in a way, that's been more painful because I haven't been able to fully grieve at any point. Wheeler served as an Army medic for two years. He was stationed at Fort Hood in 2014 when a gunman killed three of his fellow soldiers and injured 12 before turning the gun on himself. It was frightening. It was traumatizing in a way. Wheeler was discharged in 2015. He told us he didn't open up to his parents right away and only over time gave more details about what he said he'd experienced during the shooting.

1:49:41 But he said the parents he returned home to had become more paranoid as they started being influenced by conspiracy theories. And they began to doubt his account of what he'd endured that day. When I told them I was there for that shooting and I told them what I had experienced, it was whiplash to me because I was met with a distant, icy neglect. So the QAnon conspiracies that he started following made him degrade into more of an angry, more abusive, more distant person who now doesn't even really believe, I don't think, anything that I've said about my military service.

1:50:23 How does it feel to have your parents not believe it happened? A betrayal. Wow. So I know people who are 100%, I'll just, I mean, they say enough things that I know that they have followed a lot of QAnon, very smart people, very commercially successful people, usually people who run business, like retail. But what's interesting is that it's almost like they left, let me see if I can say this right. Like they left the entertainment that is television news or cable news and went to the entertainment that is QAnon.

1:51:07 Now, they're not, you know, they, I remember specifically, like, well, you know, August, it could happen. You know, Trump could come back. But, but then we're not crazy, but these two, it's the two of them are both into it. But when you have a split in the family, which was already happening with Fox News, by the way, just the fact that your parents or your dad would watch Fox News was enough to want to leave the house and not want to go to Thanksgiving dinner. So this is a complete, really, we got Orange Man bad, and they just ripped open our amygdalas and threw this crap in. And I think at this point, it's easy. You can just toy with them. It's like, oh, just add this, add this a little bit.

1:51:52 And this QAnon was perfect. That's why I laid out the first part of the show like I did of you get into people's, and they use the word ideology, where you start to question everything because reality is so bizarre. If you say six-week cycle, somebody will say that's QAnon. That's crazy. What do you mean? Yeah, it's just another word for conspiracy theory now. It's a synonym. That's my point. It's like, it's not about Q and those kind of things. It's anytime you question the mainstream. It's a brand. It's a brand. Right. Anytime you question, oh, what about Epstein? Oh, you're QAnon.

1:52:33 It's an easy way to do it. Easy way to do it. Hold on. Epstein was killed in a jail cell. He was convicted. No, no, no. That sounds like QAnon stuff. So it's like, who's really not living in reality? You know, see, it's, it's, but it's the perfect wedge because, like you said, it's all about what media you consume to, you know, to divide. And that's their whole point is go back to the binary thing again. Yeah. It's not, yeah, it's not, totally. It's about, okay, ones and zeros. It's like either thousand sealed indictments or, you know, everything. everything is a big lie, you know, or a QAnon

1:53:14 conspiracy theory. So the reason why this troubles me is, is how it, if we talk about infiltration to organizations, this thing infiltrated the house, the home, the family, the, where people can't even communicate with each other anymore. And I just find it very troubling. When you, you know, it's like all, like I said, it's binary. Right. You have to believe all of the media or you believe none of the media. It's like, how about we go case by case and see what we believe or don't believe? No, no, no. And the same is for vax anti-vax. This is splitting families apart. This is splitting relationships apart. Same thing.

1:53:57 Which that's why I have a problem with binary things. I mean, that is a pet peeve of mine. And if you come to the lives, I have a real issue with extremists. Now, extremists are needed, you know, because that's what sets the boundaries of our society, right? You have an extreme on one and a stream on the other, right? You have, just say politically, you have your super liberal people, you have your super conservative people. Yeah. But that, when you look at a bell curve, that should be a very small portion of society. Now this thing is blew out. It's to the point where it's just all on one side or all on the other. And you just had to believe everything whole cloth. So this is the real reason why I'm going to get into like the real

1:54:41 like the real depth of this show and the purpose of it. Because this is a public service announcement. I say that in jest, but there's some truth to that because put the phone down. Put the phone down. Both sides. Put it down and just talk to humans. Okay. It's okay. But let's get to the second part of that clip. Wheeler connected us with his parents who firmly denied their son's account of their belief in QAnon. Wheeler's father said he doesn't have enough information to verify his son's experience at Fort Hood that day and was skeptical of what he saw as changing accounts by Wheeler.

1:55:21 He said the two haven't talked much in the past year. The six people who joined us came from Alaska, Kentucky, Georgia, Maryland, North Dakota, and Canada. They all had different stories with a similar theme. The devastation of families caused by QAnon. It's been over a year since I talked to my dad. Elizabeth said her father was her main support when she was struggling with depression, anxiety, even thoughts of suicide. Like he was the person that stopped me from going through with it all in the end. And from about 16 to 20, 20 was about the last one that I really was sitting there contemplating this and ultimately pulled myself back thinking about my dad getting the phone call that his daughter has passed away.

1:56:14 And that was also about the time that everything starts to get really bad. So bad that Elizabeth said a year ago she had to cut off communications with her father. She said he inundated her with Facebook messages and text messages, peddling conspiracy theories. Although she told us she later connected those conspiracies to QAnon, she said her father denied knowing what QAnon is. Both sets of parents said, no, I'm not QAnon. Yeah. And I'm just questioning. And what this is a product of is the fake news. A lot of people realize that the news is fake. It's manufactured.

1:56:55 And I could easily, the reason, let me explain what I'm saying. I could easily be a type of person that would believe the media because my dad would sit me down like, son, sit down here and learn something. See what's going on with the world. And we watch the local news. And then, you know, Dan Rather was his guy, you know, before Jeopardy and Wheel of Fortune came on. That was the routine. That was the nightly routine. And it was like, to be informed, you had to watch the news. Well, here comes 45 Savage and he says, fake news. When he says that, it's like they just kept stepping on rakes

1:57:37 and proving his point that the news is fake. It is manufactured. It is doctored. And then, you know, you have these stories come out like with the news guy that's like in the boat and it's in like four inches of water. You have the clips where like all the local news stations are saying the same exact thing across all the affiliates. I mean, these are some of the memes that came around about right that show that the news is. is manufactured. Now, and then you couple that with what happened, like I said, with 9-11. 9-11 was a huge wake-up call for a lot of people because it's like, hold on. You want me to believe what my eyes, which you say, not my eyes. Oh, yeah.

1:58:22 You know, that was a written, and please pay no attention to WTC7. That's that's but you know what? Or what I always get them with, I mean, not to get them in a bad way, but question. And for the conspiracy theorists out there, if you want to successfully reach somebody or, you know, ask them a question. Don't inundate them with a bunch of information because I think the real problem here is one side's brain shuts down from just being bombarded with too much, too much wokeness at one time.

1:59:03 It's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, what? It's like, because if you ever met like a real conspiracy theorist and they hit you with that OD, the overdose of truth, you can see people's brain, your brain fries. Yeah. Right. And then what that does is like, no, I want to be safe. So I'm going to go back to believing whatever the narrative is. Like, no, no, no, I can't digest that. A lot of people would tell you, would say that. Like, no, I can't digest that. So I just want to go back because QAnon, I think, is just another version of what I think the CIA admittedly started. They admittedly started the whole concept of a conspiracy theory around the JFK assassination.

1:59:45 We have been here before. Yes, we have. But you are absolutely right that with the advance of cable news and internet and just the proliferation of media itself, I think it just became easier. And they tried the fact check. Well, fact check, fact check, fact check. And everyone now, you know, fact checking has fallen. So by the wayside, we've seen in the past two weeks the Hunter Biden laptop. Oh, yeah, it was absolutely true. And in the past two months, we've seen the Wuhan lab versus the wet market, which has been there for hundreds of years. So both of those things, people were deplatformed. It was fact-check false. It couldn't be true.

2:00:31 And now it turns out it is true. That I think, and also the excessive amount of fact-checking labels and crap that's on everything has rendered that almost useless. So they, and I'm just going to say CIA, I think it's 100% CIA. We'll bring in FBI. You know, they're two sides of the same coin, don't always get along. That are doing this. They are just continuously pushing a new message and they've tightened it. And man, the political parties did a great job because, you know, once Trump came in, remember, there's another group of people, which is the same thing as Trumpers, Trump supporters, Trump voters, MAGA.

2:01:15 All of this is being rammed into your head or into, they're trying to ram it in everyone's head, mainly through mainstream messaging, which, oddly enough, doesn't really even have such huge numbers anymore. You know, MSNBC, CNN, their prime time is, you know, less than half a million people that are watching. You have several YouTubers combined. That's it. That flip on their live and blow it out of the water. And pull CNN numbers. And I don't even believe, like I said, you turn off the gyms, you turn off the airports, you turn, I mean, like, those just that they're hit just.

2:01:54 There's no viewers left. Yeah, then it's done. Right. That's what I'm saying. And you have, on the other hand, I can go and pull 150 people on a live. I mean, like, that's a lot of people. I mean, if you really think, I mean, we've got so caught up in the millions. If you can gather 150, 200, I think you on the No Agenda show, y'all do y'all the OG live. About 2,500, 2,000, 2,500. That's a lot of people. I mean, talking about live that converge and no, no big cameras, no fancy, none of the spells, none of the magic, none of the, you know, what people really tune in for, that big TV screen

2:02:39 behind people and the suits and the, you know, the makeup and that kind of stuff. They're losing their way. But so they had to have QAnon. And we think QAnon sounds like a drug. But there is one additional thing. Because a lot of the alternative media, alternate media, is playing, and we do the same, obviously. We're playing mainstream. So like Fox News plays a lot of stuff that they then comment on that comes from the other guys. So they're really promoting everything, you know, giving this Hegelian dialectic choice.

2:03:18 And really YouTube, but also Twitter and Instagram. That's where a lot of the mainstream stories, that's where the clip service goes in. And that's become very important for this loop. And what's on those clips? MAGA MAGA MAGA, Trump or Trumper, QAnon, QAnon, Anti-Vaxxers, and on DVEs, go on and on and on. But on the same time, they're so ham-handed that they just give you more material. It's no new part. That's the best part. They sold so far out to whatever their advertisers. And now this is where the advertisers come in at. The real power of us is the producers.

2:04:02 Because all we have to do is come here and tell what we hear and see. We don't have to worry about the bullet phone ringing and saying, hey, you can't say that, right? You can't. Yeah. Right. Oh, you're going way too far once again. Oh, be careful. We have our eye on you. This will be the last you'll hear us. So it sanitized everything. And they're kind of like robots. Like, oh, I can't say that. I can't question that. And they're slowly losing their celebrities as well, if you don't realize. Oh, that spell's been broken. That spell is broken. I love it. I love seeing how the celebrities can't, they're not influencers.

2:04:43 It's just not, they can't influence anymore. They can't get people to take the shots. They can't get them to look at award shows. Over and done with. Hollywood is dead. It's dead. But that's the arrogance of it. Like, oh, yeah, we can shut the machine off for a year. And the sheep will come right back. No, no, like, we don't care. I don't, like I said, I don't, only thing I watch on television is a handful of TV shows. I mean, that's like billions, a couple more. I mean, but really it's like based in reality. It's like those kind of shows, but it's sports. And I don't even watch basketball anymore.

2:05:27 And I wouldn't watch football if it wasn't connecting me and my 11 other friends in the Fantasy League. It's like everything, everything has changed. We don't care what's on TV unless it's about us. You know, and like I said, that's a real problem to them. So I know people say, oh, you said you're going to be a PSA. All right. So I have the vaccine for this binary thinking. Let me describe five levels of listening itself. You might say it's a continuum of listening. The lowest level is to not listen at all.

2:06:09 We could almost use the word you ignore somebody. You're not even there hardly at all. You're just into your own world or whatever. The second level is you pretend to listen. You may learn the body language and give the, you know, even the mimicking responses of the last person sentence. It's called being married. The third level is to listen selectively. You are really hearing. Oh, yeah, that reminds me. Let me share. Oh, I agree with that. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, what you said back there, I know exactly what you mean. I've had the same kind of experience. Well, I don't know about that. I mean, see, you did understand,

2:06:55 but your mind is so into your own hot buttons that you're listening always in terms of those buttons and those interests. But you did understand. The fourth level is to listen attentively. You're really giving full attention out of real sincerity. That takes a lot of energy, really, to attend to another. But still, you're into your head. The fifth is to listen empathically, to leave your head, to get into their head and their heart.

2:07:34 Oh, that's good. Where's this from? This is Dr. Stephen R. Covey, my main man from the Seven Habits of Highly Affected People. Oh, of course, yes. And it's empathetic listening. That's the vaccine. And that's what we do on this show. We come here, we're not just attentive to each other. We come to listen to each other. I want to get in your head. You want to get in my head. Like, what makes, you know, why do you think that way? Why do you want to meet us to follow up questions? And this is based off one of the seven habits of seek first to understand, then to be understood. That's the vaccine to this, folks. That's it. And it's really hard. It's really, really hard for a lot of people. And I know

2:08:21 I see all five of those levels just by the feedback we get from the podcast. Yep. Yeah, it's like, wow, did you hear it that way? It's like, right. You thought I said, what? It's really interesting. But yeah, level five is where we want to be. And it's tough. It's very difficult. I don't think it is. I think a lot of people find it very challenging. There's so many distractions just to look at someone and listen to what they're saying. That's the point right there. The distractions. Man, you get to sit here for three, three and a half hours, a listful of clips, two microphones, and we listen to each other.

2:09:04 And it's like, you know, literally in my head. You're literally in my head loud, too. Right. I'm not going to, I'm not sitting here waiting for my turn to talk. You know, it's like you ask follow-up questions. You know, did you, we use analogies and those kind of things. But it's, I'm not coming here just to talk. I'm coming here to listen, to understand, you know, and you're like, well, I didn't see it that way. Obviously, if you say it, you've heard me. You understood what I said. And, but I'm just saying, this is what we need to do with our families. This is, I find this to be a real problem in one sense, but this is why the alt media kicks

2:09:49 mainstream media's butt. Because when they have two people having a conversation, they're doing lines. Oh, they're reading scripts. Yeah, they're reading scripts. Even, even the White House press briefings, the questions are known beforehand. Most of the congressional hearings that you see, questions are known beforehand. It's all scripted. It's all of its line. Whenever they say, I'll talk to you about that in closed session, yeah, you're going out off the script here. Stop it. But that's why people don't find it interesting. Because it's like, I'm going to say my line. Yeah, it's bad acting. I say my line. It's just bad acting. Exactly. Right. So

2:10:29 this is why this thing that you created, I got to give you credit. Is you actually have people sit down. We're having a conversation. The person that's listening to is part of the conversation in a passive way, but they're even seeking first to understand. And then there's a feedback loop. They can write us a note, ask us questions. Ooh, you can't do that. You can't do that with, you can't do that with CNN. The lives, it's the feedback loop. Yep. I have things I want to talk about, but the live is like, oh, let me answer that question. Oh, well, you made a great point there. Oh, it's engagement. You know, this is

2:11:13 how we win because this stops the binary thing. It's like, hold on, let me first understand what you're saying. Let me make sure I got this straight, Adam. I've also noticed, you know, the No Agenda audience is, I think, very forgiving, but they do come from all ends of the spectrum. But in this recent round, after the QAnon, I would say now the vax, anti-vax, just in general, all the tension, even on No Agenda Social, which is noagendasocial.com or Federated. It's a Mastodon server, like Twitter, only open source and not filled with evil algos.

2:11:49 I can tell people are a little bit more on edge. And even though they are all talking to each other, there's been a noticeable uptick for me in what I'm seeing in stress levels. People are a little bit on edge. And that always diminishes the listening capability. Yep. The No Agenda family is not immune. The Facts family is not immune because we're still a family. That's right. And that's my point: you see how this father saved his daughter from committing suicide. And a wedge was driven between them off of what reality is.

2:12:31 It's like, home, your reality could be different than my reality. I can never know how you see the world. I can never know. I mean, only thing you could do is try to relate to me how you understand it. And then it takes for me to say, okay, I'm going to sit here, be quiet, listen, really listen, like, really. really try to put myself in your shoes. And that's what Malcolm X is saying: come to the table, right? You know, put your put your emotions to the side because that's the first thing. Like, I don't like that. Oh, no. Oh, he said that. That's what this family is doing. Oh, he said conspiracy theory. Oh, he said QAnon. Oh, oh, he said this. And it's both sides. Yeah. Because QA, I'll be honest with you. I might offend some of the QA people out there.

2:13:13 It's nothing but a secret society. It's like, ooh, we know something you don't know. Ha ha. You know what I'm saying? Oh, we know what that means. You know, oh, look at that hand gesture. Oh, you don't know. You know what I'm saying? That kind of thing. Yeah, it was really well done. The game theory in QAnon was well constructed. You know, with the proofs and the rabbit hole and all this stuff, all these little terms. Very well constructed. And honestly, a lot of it was damn good, Mo. I looked at stuff and go like, shit, that's got to be true. Well, you know what? It was very entertaining, which totally 90% of the people that got into it, it was entertainment. It's like Dungeons and Dragons or something of that. Like, you know, like,

2:13:58 I'll pick up my phone and get engaged for a little while, you know, to see if I can like, it's like scavenger hunt. Like, can I catch that symbol? That kind of thing. I didn't really get into it like that because it was so readily available. I'm like, hold on, who's pushing this thing? Like, really? Like, I mean, that was just me. I'm always skeptical. But you ready for your second jab at the vaccine? I'm ready. Bring it on, doctor. Let's go. The gift is to listen empathically, to leave your head, to get into their head and their heart. Not that you are trying to sympathize or agree or disagree. You take no position at all.

2:14:39 Remember how we have used the iceberg as a kind of metaphor? Well, it really pertains to this subject of empathy and communication. We talked about the tip being just the technique. You know what the great mass of the iceberg is? The motive. The deeper attitude. Are you really anxious to understand? No, the magic really comes from the human affirmation process. If we were to suck the air out of this room right now, what would happen to our interest?

2:15:24 They don't line. Now that we have air, does air motivate us? What is it that motivates us? The absence of air. The psychological equivalent of air is to feel understood. It is the deepest hunger of the human heart. But to give someone psychological air, it makes it almost impossible for someone to fight you. Oh, that's great. And if understanding is air, what is being dismissive? Joking. Right. And that's what he gave the analogy of the air.

2:16:09 Now air is not being sucked out of the room, but our freedoms are. We're slowly going to lie. When that boot comes down and you start your freedoms, like, oh, you can't say that. You can't do that. You can't go there. You can't. Oh, it'll quickly align. But I wanted to say that because I've heard some things being said, people not being able to see their grandkids. Family members, I'm talking about like in my inner circle and in the fax family and the no gender family as well. Is you don't let your kids talk. Okay, I'll understand one thing. If you don't, visit, if you're hardcore vax or anti-vaxx, whatever side you're on, but not even to talk to the grandparents.

2:16:55 Like, where are we? Where are we headed? Seriously. Where are we really headed? And I wanted to do this show to really address that to show how we're being sucked in to binary thinking. Right. But logic will not get us out of this, Mo. If I've learned a lot of things from you. The first one is you got to break a spell. You can't give a spell logic. That's not going to work. You got to break it. And however that works, it also has to be done amongst family members somehow. Seek first to understand, then to be understood. But that goes counter-narrative, counter to human survival.

2:17:38 And that's the reptilian brain, right? Yeah. Don't get me stopped. That's the real reptile, right? I need to be hurt. heard first, I need to be understood first. I need to be, you know, that kind of thing. Me, me, me, first, because that's the human condition is to put yourself first. But when you really, really say, okay, make me understand, you know, that kind of thing. So I wanted to bring that into this show because what we're about to talk about next is going to take understanding. And it's part of the QAnon. It's part of the misinformation. And it's a lot of stuff going behind it. And that is talking about where we're at. 26.

2:18:21 Yeah, 26. This is the results of neighbors reporting neighbors. I'm thinking this is an event. You know, this is a crowd event. And it was a real, very surreal feeling because there was also a platform, which later they were saying was going to be the inauguration platform. There were a bunch of people up there, and we thought, I thought that there was going to be a speaker. Somebody was going to say something. And all of a sudden, they unfurled this huge, it had to be 70-foot American flag. I get goosebumps thinking about it. And everybody went wild. And you have not only an FBI raid of your apartment, but an FBI raid of your mother's apartment.

2:19:05 Let's fast forward a little bit and talk about that. What happened there? Well, I was staying at my mother's because my mother is still in rehab. She's in a rehab home facility. So I was spending time there trying to clean up for her because I wanted to make it wheelchair access. They had visited me at her house on February 4th, Thursday. Four agents. They asked me if I was a Fantifa, blah, blah, blah. I said no. I gave him a copy of the videos I had shot. So I said, okay, fine. Everything is fine. A week later, at 6 a.m. in the morning, I'm sleeping on the couch at my mother's place, and there's banging. Open the door, open the door. FBI, FBI. So I get up. I'm half asleep.

2:19:46 I open the door, and there are like these eight to ten tactically dressed, I guess, soldiers with JTTF on them. One of them was pointing an automatic rifle at me, an automatic, yeah, automatic, like an assault weapon about five feet away. He was, I guess, that's procedure for them, but you know, you don't wake up, you open a door, and you have soldiers at your door with a thing aimed at you. Yeah, yeah. So we got this. I set that up poorly. I'm sorry about that. I had lost my place, but this is Joseph Bolanos, and he's a political independent

2:20:25 that votes Democratically, votes for the Democrats. He went down to the rally, didn't go inside the Capitol, didn't go inside. And you heard the results of what happened. Not only did they raid his place, they raided his mother's house who suffers from dementia. Did he say the ATF or ATTF? You might want to listen to that again. I was saying at my mother's because my mother is still in because I wanted to make it wheel Thursday. Four agents asked me if I was a Fantifa, blah, blah, blah. I said, no. I gave him a cop couch at my mother's place, and there's banging. Open the door, open the door.

2:21:05 FBI, FBI. So I get up. I'm half asleep. I open the door, and there are like these eight to ten tactically dressed, I guess, soldiers with JTTF on them. Yeah, ATTF. So that's not alcohol, tobacco, and firearms. That's an uh anti-terrorist. Hold on. I've heard of these Jamokes before. Anti-terrorism task force. Woo! There you go. Terror, anti-terrorism task force. Get your mom out of bed. Eight to ten people showing up. And but what I'm just saying, and they asked him, Are you anti-that's that's a weird question.

2:21:44 You say Antifa, yeah, interesting, right? Right. What is that? What was that question? But let's just get into the he's talking to Dinesh D'Souza, which he had his own issues with being railroaded by the government, which that that was one of the most he went to jail. He went to jail, yeah, put him in jail for bundling of all things. I mean, that, but that's if you say that, are you QAnon? Like, you see how easily you see how easy that could go? Like, hold on, but he went to jail for things that are normally done in politics. No, no, no, no, that's QAnon. That sounds like QAnon to me. Uh, but let's get back to uh, Joseph Bolanos and uh, what happened to him due to the raid.

2:22:26 And uh, is it a fact that the reason that they did that was that somebody kind of quote ratted you out? In other words, uh, said that, oh, yeah, this is the guy who was um at the Capitol, and the FBI evidently went. went to a district judge, Gabriel Gorenstein, who gave them a warrant to make this search. Now, I want to emphasize, you never went in the Capitol, but nevertheless, based on some information the FBI got, they were able to convince a judge that there was probable cause to make this armed raid. I want to show how on so little, I mean, clearly they didn't have evidence you got in the Capitol because you never did.

2:23:06 But nevertheless, they come storming down your door and pick up the story from there because, like you said, you went down to the station and then what happened? The big mystery is exactly what you just stated is that how could the FBI do so much, I mean, double teams, raids, search warrants, what have you, on the word of one person on a tip line. And in the last year, we've had during COVID three or four people who have been radicalized somewhat. They become political. And again, as a block president for 23 years, I've always been apolitical because I like to stress the commonality of our neighbors.

2:23:43 Nothing political because the vitriol starts flowing. In this case, this individual was actually interviewed by a local TV station, and he claimed that he walked by the cafe where I was sitting at and that I was bragging about being in Washington and that I had footage or video of the Capitol. One anonymous phone call tip? That's all it took? That's it. That's all. Folks, pay attention. That's great. And then he didn't even have a conversation with me. He walked past him, you know, saying bragging and boasting, which I'm sure he was. Hey, yeah, I went down to the cow. I was there. You know, that kind of, you know, like I said, I'm just going to be middle of the row with it.

2:24:22 They say, even if he was, to say, you know, look, look at my pictures. I was there. You know, that kind of thing, you know, bragging. That shouldn't get your house raided. No. Where are we at? Like, seriously, folks. Folks, pay attention. One call. Yeah, but this is tyrannical government, Moe. This is not just a family issue. One anonymous phone call. What I'm saying is what when they start, your family starts making that call like, that's acting a little weird. He's talking about stuff. That already happened. That's happened. No, that's where we're headed. But that's scary. But you know what? That's nothing new because

2:25:06 if you're familiar with the drug laws and drug conspiracy laws, this is nothing new. For five and a half years, I was the United States Attorney for the Western District of Virginia. Mandy, from my understanding, was only involved for a couple of months with this conspiracy. And it was her boyfriend who was the more substantial member of that conspiracy. But the way the law works is if you're in a conspiracy, you are legally responsible, not just for what you do yourself, but for what the conspiracy does, as long as it's foreseeable to you. So if you are the girlfriend of a drug dealer like Mandy Martinson and you have reason to know that he is receiving large quantities from a supplier and then redistributing those quantities to various mid-level distributors, even if you never touch those drugs, even if you never benefit from them in any way, if you're in the conspiracy

2:26:00 and you're aware of the quantity, then you're legally responsible for that quantity. It's like any other business. The person who stands at the counter of the store and collects money from a customer and puts it into the cash register, she's a viable part of the entire business and is part of the reason why the business makes lots of money. Even if she's not there, every shift isn't there for every single transaction. It's the same thing in a drug conspiracy. And that's a very powerful weapon for a prosecutor because a prosecutor can say to a Mandy Martinson, look, you're responsible for everything that your boyfriend did, everything that the people he was dealing with did, because you were present when it happened. It was foreseeable to you. Even if she never touched any of that, it's hard for people to get their mind around.

2:26:42 But a conspiracy allows, under the law, to charge people with really substantial quantities beyond what they personally. Well, that's kind of good news. That's kind of good news. That's kind of good news. Well, because once we get one, then we'll, oh, it's like you knew that your fellow politician was doing this and you were in on that. No, no, no, no. They were like that. Yeah, it will. Yeah, it will. In the tribunals. Yes, it will, Moe. It will. You sell that Q-Hopium. Q-Hopium. Oh, man. He nails it there. Another thing I got to write down.

2:27:26 Q-Hopium. I love that. Hey, listen, we've already got one sealed indictment down, 999 to go, Mo. I'm counting. counting them. No, the reason why I say that is if that was the case, then politicians would have been locked up because we could say, hey, you knew about that, that kind of thing, but it doesn't work like that. No. But the reason why I point this out is this is how the war on drugs worked. Catch two fish because in a drug and drug conspiracy, I think you had to have two people say they bought drugs from you. So you catch two small fish, say, hey, did you buy drugs from Tony? Yeah.

2:28:06 Did you buy drugs from Tony? Yeah. Go get Tony. Done. Right. Done. It doesn't matter. And like, if you apply that to what Joseph went through, oh, you should have known they were going to storm the Capitol. What you're doing out there on the block, huh? Huh? You know what I'm saying? You deserve to be roused. And the real sick part about it is, and this is a little aside, but what percentage of trials do you mean? What percentage of cases do you think go to trial? Of what kind? Of criminal. Criminal. I don't know. That depends on the state, but I don't know. Just take a while. Just take a while. What percentage of cases actually go to trial?

2:28:47 We need some Jeopardy music. Criminal cases? Criminal cases. How many do you think? You'd be hoping that it was quite a high number. You'd be hoping in at least the high 70s. 3%. And what happens to the rest? Plead it out. Yeah, okay, that makes sense. Yeah. So what I'm saying is, this is how the drug conspiracy game worked. Two people say you're selling drugs. You're done. Hey, Tony, you're facing 20. Right. Cop out. Plead out. And you saw that in the wire all the time.

2:29:26 Right. So the point I'm making is you're going to have a lot of people that didn't do anything cop and please because like I don't want to face, I don't want to gamble my life on 20 years on a conspiracy. I mean, how do you disprove a conspiracy? I mean, like, that's that's like the hardest thing to beat. Okay, so what you're saying is the January 6th people who have who are still many still in jail, that's really the conundrum for them is because if there's two people who say, oh, yeah, I saw that guy, I saw him over there, you're in the conspiracy because it's been claimed a conspiracy. And at that point, it's easier to just plead out, which, of course, these white guys learn from their black brothers for similar reasons.

2:30:11 And if you consider yourself a political prisoner, you can't plead out because you're there for the cause. Right. See how that works? It's like I said, this system has been set up. The apparatus is there. It's just you target it towards whatever group you want to target it towards. That's the same thing with the guys what we were talking about in the Sting in the early part of the show. It's a conspiracy. Oh, yeah, they were going to do it. Yeah. Well, we got proof here that they were going to do it. But I'm just saying. So that's this thing has been around the conspiracy, but now they're going to start weaponizing.

2:30:51 That's very scary. So anybody could come and say, oh, yeah, they were going to take part in this. You got two people to say it, and you put me in jail. I have to plead out. I'm not going to fight. I'm not going to fight. They'll be like, you want to go home today and be on probation or you want to fight for 20. Just by, I mean, even you had a lot of people take cases that they didn't even have anything to do with because the odds is just, I don't want to take those odds. Right. Right. It's a very nasty system. I wasn't aware of that. I wasn't aware of the 3% number. And when you said plead out, yeah. Okay. Makes sense. That's shit. That's some nasty system. How do you beat that?

2:31:34 I mean, like, how do you? So I'm just, hey, started with us. They don't end with us. I always say that. They started with us, but it doesn't end with us. But let's go back to Joseph and his final clip. I want to talk also about the element of media humiliation because as I understand it, when you were handcuffed and taken out of the car, there was an NBC camera crew that had been tipped off about the raid, and they were there to sort of film you. And so what I'm talking about is it's not just a matter because I mean, I know what this degradation feels like, but it's always magnified when you've got flashing lights and people shouting questions at you.

2:32:14 Is it not a fact that you have actually had two strokes subsequent to what happened to you? And would it be reasonable to assume that at the very least these events contributed to those? Without a doubt, these events did contribute. The first stroke was considered marked. mild, they said. Although in the ambulance, the records show, I pull the ambulance records, my blood pressure was 220 over 143, which is hypertensive crisis, which is close to serial, serious stroke. And then I had another stroke about 100 days after the first mild one, which makes it begs the question: if it's so mild, do I have another one 100 days later?

2:32:53 So, and the second one was a lot more, a lot more severe. Now, regarding NBC, there's an interesting fact here because often you hear the FBI when someone comments or questions them about an investigation, they go, We can't comment because it's an ongoing investigation. Now, the guy who did the NBC story is a guy named Jonathan Deans. His partner, okay, at NBC is the former spokesman for the FBI. So, how does this guy coincidentally have a cameraman show up? They weren't flashing lights or anything. There was just one cameraman, but that kind of tricked me off. So, you have NBC with the former FBI spokesman with the FBI doing a raid. I mean, common sense says that there's a linkage there somehow because it's not a coincidence.

2:33:35 There's gambling going on there. For fear of sounding like QAnon, I would say Mockingbird, but like I said, I don't want to end up on anybody's list. But FBI to NBC that's just down the hall. Right, like you were saying, Zuckerberg. Zuckerberg. Like you were saying, like Zuckerberg and Mueller. These three people are in bed together. It's the same thing, but that's a two strokes. And that, and you know, the way that works with Zuckerberg is a good example. Government pressures that, you know, it's like, what have you, what, what did you hear? You don't hear much about it anymore.

2:34:19 Yeah, we're thinking about perhaps regulating you. Section 230, come back and talk a little bit. You can ask you a few more questions. So, you know, it's like they're also pressured through the entire system. They have to do whatever they do in order to survive because they are, in fact, too big to fail. Well, mamas, cover your baby's ears. I'm about to say something. Zuckerberg. I was wondering, do we need a trigger warning? No, not a trigger warning. It's going to be more adult content. Okay. Zuckerberg is the government's bitch. Let's just be honest here. All the big tech is. We know who created these companies. I mean, come, come.

2:35:03 That's the narrative. Like, he's in his computer, his dorm room, just writing up Facebook code. Knock it off. You know what I'm saying? They had, they, they, they pin him to say, okay, he's the face of the organization, right? And that's they, like you said, they have Movo Barrel. Give us the information, or we will, we'll, what's the, what's the, um, the tax benefit they're allowed to have, or uh, whether or not treated as a utility. Um, I forget what it's called. Uh, section 230 or title? Yeah, that's it. Section 230. Yeah. Yeah. Well, there's that. Yeah, and also the antitrust. But make no mistake, it's the government is in this too.

2:35:44 If you look at the history, if you look at the history of Google, they're calling the shots. That's what I'm saying. They're calling the shots. Right. Right. Yeah, but it's not really, but it's not the politicians. The politicians have their own leverage, but you have to look at which politician has real power. And that always comes from either CIA, preferably, or FBI. Careful, Carrie, Curry. Calvary, you're about to say deep state. Easy there. Hey, hey, I'm no QAnon, man. I don't say no deep state. Right. That's where we're going to have to be at. Like, you know what I'm saying? He said deep state. But that's, we laugh about it.

2:36:26 It's gallows humor, but that's where we're at. Because if you believe Apple, Facebook, Google can operate the way they want to, if they would give one man all that power, no, it don't work. It don't work like that. It's like Zuckerberg. And notice they always call him down whenever they want to. You bet. Whoever, it's not the politicians, but they're doing the work of their bidders too, right? It's like, hey, bring Zuck down and bring him down a notch. You know what I'm saying? He's getting a little, you know what I'm saying? He's getting a little big-headed. Up and down. Yeah, a little uppity. Yeah, a little up. Don't make us make you take you down a notch, but that's how it works.

2:37:07 And it's people that will never be voted out that call the shots because they don't, you know, we don't elect our leaders, the real leaders, the real ones. They're supposed to be representatives, but they can't even do that. No, I use leaders for the, we don't elect our leaders. Oh, yeah. good point. There you go. Good point. We don't. We don't. We don't even vote for them. They're not on the list. They're not on the list. It's like, you just, you just say they're not on the list. That's exactly. So going back to 60 minutes and back to QAnon and how corrosive it is. At Homeland Security, when you were there, was QAnon on your radar as a threat?

2:37:51 The general consensus at that time period was it could be a low-level policing concern because we had a few incidents of people conducting violence. But by and large, its ideology is not one that promotes violence, at least at that time. What shifted? What turned QAnon into a more violent kind of conspiracy group? It didn't become a violence problem until Donald Trump lost the election. And then they felt like, oh, well, we better fix that because otherwise Donald Trump can't fix this other big problem of the deep state.

2:38:26 And we are going to take out the seat state. QAnon supporters charged into battle with the crowd storming the Capitol on January 6th. Some were easy to spot with their Q signs and Q chants. Inside, Officer Eugene Goodman staved off rioters led by a man in a Q shirt. Ashley Babbitt, killed at the Capitol, had previously tweeted a picture of herself in a Q tank top. Oh, yeah. A horrible violation of whatever. Yeah. Yeah.

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2:47:29 conscious of time when I discussed about this. Um, which this is a very important portion of this show. So, let's get first into the media's coverage of what happened at the Capitol with Ashley Babbitt. This morning, new details about 35-year-old Ashley Babbitt, who was shot and killed by a Capitol police officer. Video captures the moment she fell to the ground during the chaos as others warned of the danger. Medics then rushing her to the hospital, but she later died. A documentarian says he witnessed the shooting. She was going like going strong. And next thing I know, she was shot. I do remember yelling guns when I saw guns and trying to warn her from going in.

2:48:13 Like, it was like very slow motion because I was trying to, in my mind, trying to capture this scene. Inside the House chamber, it broke the glass. Lawmakers were hiding, including Congressman Mark Wayne Mullen, who was defending the officers' actions. He didn't have a choice at that time. The mob was going to come through the door. There was a lot of members and staff that were in danger at the time. Babbitt was a 12-year Air Force veteran living in San Diego with her husband. Her family describes her as loving and says she was a staunch supporter of the president. She's my only granddaughter. I'm trying to believe. Her grandfather says Babbitt attended every Trump rally she could.

2:48:55 Actually, Patriot, an avid Donald Trump fan. She's her time in the military. She's passionate about everything, particularly Donald Trump for some reason. The U.S. Capitol Police officer who shot Babbitt is now on leave pending an investigation. Yes. Which we're going to get to him next, Officer Bird. But first, we got to get some background on Ashley Babbitt. And this is from Dr. Todd Grande, which is a psychiatrist from Arlington, Virginia.

2:49:36 Well, I think he's an author as well. So he's going to get into the background of Ashley Babbitt. So I'll start with the background. I'll talk about the conspiratorial thinking, and I'll move to my analysis about the shooting. At the time of her death, Ashley Babbitt was 35 years old. She served in the Air Force and Air National Guard for many years. Her service included multiple deployments to Iraq. She lived in Maryland for many years. She was married when she was there. She divorced and moved to San Diego and remarried in 2019. Babbitt had no children. Her parents, her grandfather and four brothers, lived in San Diego.

2:50:16 On January 6, 2021, she was one of the many protesters who stormed the Capitol building in Washington, D.C., in what appears to be an attempt to disrupt the certification of the 2020 presidential election. Inside the building, she was with a number of other protesters in front of these double doors that led to the speaker's lobby, a hallway that connects to the House of Representatives chamber. Not far from this, members of Congress were sheltering in place. So there was a lot of chaos, a number of protesters yelling, banging on the doors, breaking windows. It was a time of great stress caused by these protesters.

2:50:59 It is clear in the videos that the doors are barricaded from the other side, which should serve as a subtle hint that trying to pass through those doors may be an unpopular decision. Babbitt was wearing what looked to be a Trump flag as a cape. Okay. So this is where, depending on what lens you're looking at this through, if it was a black male unarmed going through a window, I don't care how many barriers it was. It'd be like, you can't shoot an unarmed person. But here we have a white female veteran,

2:51:42 multiple tours of Iraq, shot unarmed. And it was like, it was a 180-degree, you know, the media response. Not even media on social media. It's like, yeah, she deserved the same people who said cops shouldn't shoot people and unarmed people. And the same people were saying that all summer, you know, no person or property, you know, property over human lives and those kind of things. Like, yeah, she had it coming. coming to her, which I found it to be maybe fascinating. Awestruck. I was awestruck. It's like, wow, like it really doesn't matter what there's no ideology behind this. It's strictly binary.

2:52:26 It's, you know, it's okay to shoot her because it fits your narrative. I'm in the boat that no person should be shot. I mean, like, I don't care who you are. I don't care what you're doing. But I also would like to bring up the fact of when we talked about the broken glass. When that glass breaks, that's a symbol of civility. And these people were charged up. Now, like I said, it just, I found it fascinating that one side saying she shouldn't, the same side, well, you do a crime and you killed in the act of a crime, you know, is justified.

2:53:09 That side was like, how dare you shoot her? And then the other side of like, you should never shoot an unperson was cheering the cops on. It was like, it's just total mind screw. So I don't know how you took what you took away from it. Well, interestingly, that I not considered what you just said in that comparison. It's very valid. It's very good. I mean, but we have a lot of these. We have my body, my choice for abortion, my body, my choice, but not for mandatory vaccines. So these binary,

2:53:49 I have no other word. Mind fucks are being launched at us like blow darts to the brain and perfectly balanced. Like I said, you couldn't get more balanced and counterbalance with these two people when we look at Ashley Babbitt and George Floyd. The way they were handled by the media and then how they were consumed by the public at large. With that said, I want to get into the second clip. Now, just I want to say, and I'm going to kind of not lead you, but imagine if you hear these things about an unarmed black man shot in America.

2:54:27 Babbitt had some prior run-ins with law enforcement in 2016. She was issued a peace order, which is essentially the state of Maryland's version of a restraining order, and charged with reckless endangerment and the malicious destruction of property. This appears to have been connected to a road rage incident. She hit a woman's car three times and chased her through the streets. From what I understand, the victim was a woman who had previously dated Babbitt's boyfriend at that time. Babbitt was found not guilty of both charges. In 2017, a second peace order was issued, and she was charged with willful motor vehicle damage without the owner's consent.

2:55:07 In 2019, a complaint was filed against her for aggressive driving, but it was thrown out because of a jurisdiction-related problem. Ashley Babbitt appeared to have a number of unusual beliefs that may have contributed to her criminal behavior. Her posts on social media appear to indicate that she believed in conspiracy theories. One specific conspiracy theory that she is associated with is QAnon. She made a reference to the storm in a tweet the day before her death. She was seen wearing a QAnon shirt in a photo on social media. And she also posted a hashtag that refers to the phrase, where we go one, we go all, which is also associated with that same conspiracy theory.

2:55:51 Wow, I didn't know about the priors. Yeah, that's well. Now, imagine. Well, no, and I can because we had all the priors with George Floyd. We had the hole in the gun up to the pregnant woman's belly, the drugs, etc. And what was said, that doesn't matter at the time of him being killed. What was the other guy? What was the other guy's name? Something Blake. It slips my mind. But he actually was coming over to attack his baby mama when he was shot seven times. He didn't die, but the vice president, you know, saying, now a vice president, went and visited him or did a video call with him.

2:56:33 You know, Jacob Blake, that's his name. What I'm saying is, but on the other side of this, I was critical of Candace Owens for this, about bringing up people's past. Yes. You know what I'm saying? To deflect. So I'm just saying, like, just it's. No, we're not immune, is what you're saying. Right. Where no one's immune, and they create these narratives in the media so you can play it. Nobody's based in ideology at all. It's about my team. team, your team. Like you said, red, blue, ones and zeros. White, black, yes. One and zero.

2:57:13 And this is another thing, as we've seen, I think what's the case now with Gabby, the white lady that was killed, and the whole princess or what is it called? The princess effect or how white women are covered in the media. Yes. Yeah. Here's a white lady that was killed. Unarmed. Namika said, nah, we ain't touching that. No, you're a QAnon. You know what I'm saying? She deserved it. She had it coming. Like I said, you have snatched the pebbles from my hand, Grasshopper. You may go now. You have surpassed me. I have to write this down for myself. I can't believe that I didn't see this.

2:57:55 I didn't see it. But like I said, that's why we come here and have the conversation. That's why there's two of us. No, it's amazing that the rat on social media was disgusting for any human life to be taken. While she had it coming, like, what? I'm very impressed with your ability to see that. Because I know how it should be covered. Any other time an unarmed white lady gets shot in America, she shouldn't be the bad guy.

2:58:36 I mean, like, in the media. Not to me, but in the media. The general response to Joy Reed saying, you know, white woman, that's why it's getting all this coverage. And the general response that I saw, which, of course, should have been, oh, yeah, well, why aren't you covering Ashley Babbitt, et cetera, was, well, because when it's a black woman, most of the time it's killed by a black man, and you don't want to tell anybody that. Most of the time, it's intra-racial. Anytime smites you. So, I mean, that's a see, that's

2:59:16 it's amazing how they do these mind tricks on people. And that's why I'm telling people: like, be based in id, be based in something. Like, that's why I'm big on law. That's why I'm big on math. It's logic, right? It's okay. I can make sense of this. When you are based solely in teams and sides and those kind of things, it don't work. They can jerk you around. I mean, they can completely jerk you around. What it does is it makes you look silly because it's like, hold on, I thought you were pro cops or anti-cops. And it's like I said, it's the perfect mind screw, like you said.

2:59:56 But, yeah, I was just, I was like, if I heard, like, if they said innocent, unarmed, well, not with innocent, because she was committing a crime, but innocent in the fact of not being a threat to, you know, saying an armed person. If that was a black man coming through a window and a white man has shot him, all hell would have broke loose. Again. Oh, yeah. Oh, absolutely. You're nailing that. You're nailing that. Yep. All right. So let's go ahead and go to 35. Here's a summary of what the followers of this conspiracy theory believe. They believe there's an evil organization made up of people who worship Satan and they also cause other types of harm.

3:00:38 The leaders of this evil organization tend to be entertainers and politicians. Donald Trump is a part of this ongoing battle with these evil people. Ashley Babbitt had a particular dedication to Trump. She was a militant supporter of his. At some point, we will bring about what the followers refer to as the storm and the Great Awakening. Again, Babbitt specifically referred to the storm. The storm is when Trump will arrest the evildoers and send them to prison. The storm is really about aggression and revenge. It's when the conspiracy theorist will punish the people who laughed at them.

3:01:17 Now, the Great Awakening is different. This is when the beliefs of the followers will be validated, when all of the people in the world will realize that this whole time along, the followers were correct. So these conspiracy theorists actually believe that they have some type of special knowledge. Perhaps they are chosen or just incredibly intelligent, and they can see and understand what the rest of the population cannot. So everybody's being fooled except them. After the storm and the Great Awakening, a utopia will be established and the followers of the conspiracy theory will be exalted as heroes, people who saved the world from certain destruction.

3:01:59 destruction. Yeah, that sums it up pretty well, I'd say. But once again, they're making QAnon the opposite, the polar opposite of science, but in the same way, the same paradigm, but it's a polar opposite of we have secret knowledge that you can't understand. Isn't that how science is put on us? You, you dumb person, you don't, you can't research. You're research. Like, you don't have a PhD and, you know, whatever, you know what I'm saying, whatever science or, you know, you didn't code Microsoft. You know, that doesn't make you a expert on vaccines. You know, that kind of thing.

3:02:42 So, but it's the opposite end of it that you don't know what these symbols mean. You know, you can't interpret this language, these signs that we're being given. It's a religion. It's not another religion. That's a technocratic religion. Yeah. The technocrats that the experts know best and they just have to be managed and the messaging is funneled and there's consensus and that's technocrats. That's and that's a that's 1984 technocrats. Yeah. So like I said, they they put these people in the same boat, but they don't realize it. Like you, you sound just like the scientists sound that you can't understand this. You don't have enough brainpower to decide what goes in your body for yourself.

3:03:26 It's like, what? Like, huh? Yeah. So, but like I said, I found it fascinating. And I bet you that's the first time in world history that militant has been used in the same sense with a white woman. Because militant were reserved for black men. And black women. Like, what was her, who was the famous black female Black Panther? You talking about Asada Shakur? Yes. Yeah. She would be classified as militant. Right, but I never heard that term. No. Welcome to the bottom. When I say this, I say it in jest. Not really. Not really.

3:04:09 When you hear these terms, start throwing around. I almost fell out of my chair when I heard that. That was the one for me. I was like, militant. I've never heard that used for a Caucasian or white female. I never heard you. I think you're right. I'm searching my brain. I think you're right. Militant. Wow. So he was more left-leaning, if I had to guess, more of the mainstream media type coverage of it. Now we got to go out take with Clay and Buck and get their take on not only where they're not going to really talk about Ashley Babbitt, but more of Officer Bird and his coverage in the media.

3:04:49 Interview last night on NBC News with Lieutenant Michael Bird, who it's been rumored, I think, on the internet for a while that he was, in fact, the individual involved here. But he is the Capitol Hill police officer who shot Ashley Babbitt in the neck. Now, Clay and I, you know, I've had some background in law enforcement and baseline tactical training. Clay, obviously, is a lawyer. We wanted to go through some of this. And really, first of all, they couldn't have tried to make it a more favorable platform for Officer Bird's narrative.

3:05:26 You'll hear that yourself. We want to take this, though, piece by piece and address how, I mean, for me, this is the whole thing is outrageous because the politics involved are quite clear in terms of how this has been handled. But let's start with Michael Bird saying that he showed tremendous courage in the shooting. Of course I do. That is a very vital point. And it's something that is frightening. I believe I showed the utmost courage on January 6th. And it's time for me to do that now. The utmost courage, Clay.

3:06:05 Have you heard any of the officers involved in fatal shootings that got a lot of national attention, including times when an assailant was reaching for a gun or going for a knife? Have you heard any of them ever say, well, I showed tremendous courage in shooting that person? No, and if they did, we already have protests, but there would be mass rioting in the streets. Yeah, Clay and Buck, they took Rush Limbaugh's slot. Yep. Could you imagine the cop or cops that shot Breonna Taylor saying

3:06:42 I was really courageous that day? Well, I show some courage. I know we say, but a Matt, just let that soak in. And I didn't, I usually don't use sound bites, but Lieutenant Brown. Bird, I'm going to let you know now on the lost tapes, I'm going to go through that majority of that 36-minute interview, sitting down with him. Good. Because I didn't want to, like I said, this would have been a nine-hour show. I'm just breaking that down in itself. But once again, of all the officers, it had to be a black man that shot a white woman. Are you kidding me? Crazy. So, but you know, if you say that, and this was something that has been hammered at incessantly, you know, it's called what about ism.

3:07:33 So it's like, well, if that were Trump, but this is so such a cool way of showing it. It's like, please look at the polar opposites of the situation. That's if you're thinking and speaking binary, because what you're trying to do is make your site right or wrong. What I'm doing is, and what we're doing is looking at the nuances of the story and say, look at this. It's perfect in a tragic way, but perfect that you have a black man that pulled the trigger in America to shot a white

3:08:13 unarmed woman that was going into property. We heard all summer property doesn't, you know what I'm saying? Human lives trump property. But it was like, okay, yeah, cool. Oh, no. I'm all for it. Because she was militant. It's like, huh? Like I said, but I knew he was black when they didn't bring him out. When they hit him for that long, I was like, yeah. And there's a timing. There's a timing that goes with this. Why they brought him out and when they brought him out. But let's let Clay and Buck finish up first. Just think what the reaction would be from Black Lives Matter if a white police officer who shot an unarmed protester had said all of these things, what the reaction would be compared to the

3:09:04 comparative crickets in response to this. Let's just keep playing these clips because, again, I think a large part of our audience has not heard all of these quotes. And certainly, as you said, Buck, this gentleman had not even been named prior to this interview that he just decided to do. Here he is discussing that he believed Ashley Babbitt was posing an imminent threat. Remember, this is an unarmed woman still on the other side of the door trying to break in and open a door. He has the gun drawn for quite plenty of time. He can see exactly what's going on. It's on video. We have video of this encounter.

3:09:48 Here is what he says. I've been yelling and screaming as loud as I was. Please stop. Get back. Get back. Stop. We had our weapons thrown. We see your arm out there for a considerable amount of time. Were you wavering? I was taking a tactical stance. You're ultimately hoping that your commands will be complied with. And unfortunately, they were not. What did you think this individual was doing at that moment? She was posing a threat to the United States House of Representatives. Not threat to me. Not a threat to me. Listen to the way you said again at the very last 15 seconds.

3:10:29 I'm sorry about that. Yeah, no, it's no problem. Yeah, you were so right about that. Hoping that your commands will be complied with. And unfortunately, they were not. What did you think this individual was doing at that time? She was posing a threat to the United States House of Representatives. Well, first of all, he says that she wasn't responding to his commands. But I didn't hear him command anything on any audio. Right. And then the other thing is he didn't say she was a threat to me, which I think that's imminent threat is to you, not to whatever you're protecting. I'm not sure what the rules are. I'm not sure what the rules are. Like I said, from my

3:11:14 law degree from SVU, law order, SBU, I'm a proud graduate. That's how I understand it to be. It has to be your life needs to be in. Now, it might be different for Federal Police or Capitol Police. I don't know. But I'm just saying he meant, he didn't say me. He didn't say she was a threat to me, which if he said that, I would even say, okay, well, you don't know what a person has, right? You know, you don't, I would take it differently, but like I said, I don't want to be back. I don't want to belabor the. the point, but it was just fascinating. Like I said, this

3:11:55 you say psyops, and I don't use that word. I don't use that word. You're saying it, but what are you doing here? What are we doing here? Seriously. How could you make you couldn't? If you wrote this, somebody would throw the script out. Like, no. I'm really disappointed in myself because, you know, I see all these things, but I didn't see it all the way through. I'm really happy that you brought this up and how you unfolded this because I, gosh, I mean, obviously, it's the whole system does this.

3:12:34 You know, there was another example today where President Biden said, or his Jen, Circleback Jen, said, Well, President Biden is not taking questions from the press because you're not on point. You're not asking questions that are about the meeting that he's having. And I'm like, holy shit, you know, it's like that was if Trump said that, it's like they would always ask questions that had nothing to do with the world leader who was sitting there with him. Where's the taxes? Are you going to release your taxes? That kind of thing. Yeah. So, so, I mean, 45 Savage was, you know, his message is becoming a bit cliche, but they really are public enemy number one.

3:13:19 Him and Malcolm X is on the same Xbox. Malcolm X are the same. Gotta love it. But there's a reason. Forgive yourself. There's a reason why you didn't get into this. There was something simultaneously going on at the time when Lieutenant Bird came out and had his interview that could possibly be a smokescreen. 38. I'm joined now by Congresswoman Madeline Dean of Pennsylvania, one of the lawmakers whose life Officer Bird was protecting that day. And Congresswoman, I just want to give you the opportunity to react to what you've just seen and heard. First, Joy, thank you for including me on this heartbreaking day for our country.

3:14:02 And so my sympathies to the service members, families, to the 13 now, I guess, that we have lost, and 15 wounded, and of course, scores of Afghans and others. And I condemn the terrorists to attack. We have to continue on this mission. But Joy, that interview, I was staggered to learn that it was Lieutenant Bird who made that announcement on the floor of the house. For the last seven months, I have wondered who wasn't trying to help save our lives. I was up in the gallery that day as they told us: first, sit down, prepare to lie down, then get your gas masks out from under your seat.

3:14:46 And then that announcement, they've infiltrated the rotunda and tear guests has been deployed. I have wondered for months who did that to save our lives. And what I want people to know is: number one, thank you, Lieutenant Bird. Thank you. Number two, I hope people understand the proximity of where he was first on the rostrum and then where Ashley Babbitt was shot. It was feet away after Ashley Babbitt, sadly, with all those other rioters, broke through security gate after security gate after security gate. Yeah, that would have been something that covered up that little news.

3:15:30 How convenient? I mean, it's like Bill Cosby getting convicted. You know what I'm saying? At the same time, when you had the Kavanaugh case. How convenient? I mean, just 13 dead soldiers, out comes Lieutenant Bird all of a sudden out of the blue. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, you know, I'm glad you're 10 years younger than me. No, I forgive you. Like I said, I forgive you because you were down that rabbit hole. I didn't know the checkout media works. That's true. Afghanistan. Yeah. I was on, you know, like Telegram and Signal with people in Qatar in Afghanistan.

3:16:11 Yeah, that's true. Well, again, that's why there's two of us. This is good news. Different beats. Yeah, different beats. Different beats. But yeah, I just find that interesting, the timing of that. And the other thing I found strange is now I've seen a lot of 24. I've seen a lot of Homeland and these shows. Is it really our representatives lay down where you're at? Really? That's what we're doing? Did you see those gas masks? They look like the things that drop out of the overhead bin in the airplane. I saw that, but I'm saying, but the reaction plan is the lay down where you're at. Like, there's no tunnels. I'm highly disappointed in my government. Like, I mean, you take

3:16:58 really, we don't have secret elevators that, you know. Oh, you know. Some representatives do. Absolutely. Pelosi was out real quick. They had pants out real quick. They were all in, they were all in the tunnels and stuff. Oh, for sure. But, you know, the music is. But don't we suppose they have like a little room or something? Like, I've seen Homeland. I don't know. I don't know, Mo. I guess not. I guess that's all. It's all fake. I'm seriously disappointed. Whenever somebody, a real threat, rolls up. What we're going to do? Lay down on the floor. Everything's going to be. What? Lay down on the floor. Everything will be okay. Everything will be okay.

3:17:42 It'll be fine. It'll be fine. Like you said, put the airline mask on just later. And she thanked him for that. I don't know who did it for seven months. I wanted to know. You know what I'm saying? Who put this change into place? I'm going to lay down on the floor and be a waiting target. Wow. Like, that just shocked me. But yeah, yeah. This, it was cover. It would mean to be, I mean, to be honest with you, I believe it was covered. Well, whether it was used as cover. Yeah, right, right. The interview, what I'm saying, the interview with totally. Oh, totally. Yeah. Let's reclaim the narrative here. We don't want to talk about the 13. So get through this 24-hour news cycle right quick and then we can get back to business.

3:18:25 Well, we know who captured the footage that you alluded to because we talked about it on show 57. Let's get to John Sullivan. And Kelly and Bob, James Sullivan says he turned in tips about his brother to the FBI here in Salt Lake City. He says he believes that his brother was not only involved in the riot at the Capitol, but somehow in charge. Full disclosure, the FBI has been in contact with me. John Sullivan posted to his Twitter on Wednesday. Now I got the call as to Satan today that he was going to be apprehended by the FBI.

3:19:03 John's brother James says he first learned his brother was at the U.S. Capitol when friends started texting him these pictures. Then John posted video to YouTube. He was going in there to document it, but he also was part of the NTIFA groups. I also, you know, want to support the black community out here too in the best way that I can. That's my belief. I believe the Black Lives Matter. I mean, I'm not here to assert myself and my beliefs on other people. I just want to give people the footage, the video.

3:19:42 The FBI's office in Salt Lake City would not confirm they were investigating Sullivan or any Utah's. I want to condemn, absolutely condemn the shameful violence that we saw on January 6th at the U.S. Capitol. We still love John, and that's something that he needs to know. Now, the criminal complaint against John includes violent entry. John was also charged by provo police officers back in July of 2020 for criminal mischief and rioting in Salt Lake City, Aaron Cox, Fox RT News, Utah. Now we're talking about dividing the families. Yep. James, his brother.

3:20:23 Ratted him out. Ratted him out. Now, both of them, you want to hear something very interesting? Of course. Their father, adopted father, Major General Kevin J. Sullivan of the United States Air Force was caught in a shady deal transferring nuclear fuses via Taiwan. Back in 2008. And now your two black or biracial son adoptive sons are in the middle of the insurgency or the storm of the Capitol.

3:21:04 Of course that's not connected. How did you find that? Did you have any clips on that or did you just have an article on it? No, it was that I followed the article. There was no clips. It was a big news story. I mean, if you look it up, it was 17, it was 17 officers that were involved. And they were caught with transferring nuclear fuses. Oh. Well, that's almost as good as the Boston bombers and their uncle. uncle is a CIA agent.

3:21:44 What's the chances? And then, you know, come on, what's the chances? But that goes to show you that this is brother against brother. Now, is it designed to be that way? I don't know. But it's just the coincidence of your dad getting caught transferring nuclear fuses to Taiwan in a big scandal. And then your two sons get caught up in this on both sides of it because one is super conservative and one is super Black Lives Matter liberal. Crazy. What's going on? What's going on in that house? And then, how do you, you forgot? Remember, John was a Olympic skater.

3:22:27 Could we cover that in 50-50? Oh, that's right. I forgot about that. Yeah. Which had an Uber commercial, which I'll be also showing on the live. He just so happens to have an Uber commercial, too. When I'm not sea skating, I'm driving for Uber. Are you kidding me? Is somebody punking me? That's beautiful. So just to go to show you how the local news does coverage or lack of coverage, there was the claim made that Antifa was in the Capitol that day, proven through the John Sullivan situation. But listen how local news covers the question of verifying was Antifa behind.

3:23:09 There are a lot of claims that the people who broke into the Capitol on Wednesday weren't Trump supporters, but were actually Antifa members. U.S. Representative Mo Brooks says the evidence is growing that Antifa, quote, orchestrated capital attack with clever mob control tactics. So let's break this claim down, starting with these images. This Antifa Comrades flyer is being shared a ton with claims it tells Antifa members to disguise themselves as Trump supporters. But a reverse image search shows that this image is more than two months old. It was originally shared on articles like this on Election Day, November 3rd. And as you can see, the image has the date November 4th, clearly in the text.

3:23:48 We're marking this false. Then there's this claim: a man in the hallway of the Capitol with a tattoo on his hand, which these posts say is the communist hammer and sickle. But a higher resolution image from Getty Photos shows it's clearly not the hammer and sickle. It's actually a logo from a video game. This claim is false. Then there are tons of claims about this shirtless man wearing a horned hat. This is not a Trump supporter. This is a staged Antifa attack. Well, we tracked him down. This is Jake Angeli. He's easy to find online as an outspoken QAnon supporter and fan of President Trump. Thank you, President Trump. He's posted photos of me and Rudy Giuliani and has been photographed protesting against groups like Black Lives Matter and Antifa in the past.

3:24:33 Wednesday night, he actually posted that, quote, I am not Antifa or BLM. I'm a QAnon and digital soldier. So claims this man is an Antifa actor in disguise are false. Now, there are more examples of people falsely being labeled Antifa and false messages. That's a great ISO. I got to get that. That's the local news styming the claim that Antifa was in there, which clearly James, I mean, excuse me, John works with Black Lives Matter. He actually got kicked out of Black Lives Matter for being too radical.

3:25:15 And then on the other side, James worked closely with the Proud Boys. What's going on? Right, seriously. What is going on? That's pretty extreme. That's pretty extreme in one family. And I have an article here from NoQ Report. It says that they, this is, have been on opposite sides of ideological spectrum since George Floyd's video was released last spring. So that was the trigger. That was the trigger when they split into one and zero. Yeah. So, well, I have John Sullivan on Anderson Cooper, but you're not going to hear her speak.

3:25:58 But I believe he was with her, his handler, what's her name? Jade. I had her name here. Jaden X something. No, no, that's it. That was his name. Her name was Jade. Hold on, let me find her. I don't know what her head is. Yeah, of course you don't because she didn't speak the whole time. So she was just there to handling him on Anderson Cooper. Jade Sacker, who is a CNN photojournalist that never did anything for CNN in her life. But that's how she was sold. That's how she was sold to the masses. But this is John Sullivan, and she's sitting six inches. inches from his face while he speaks. Two people who were there join us now, Dr. Mary Mini filmmaker Jane Sacker and left-wing activist John Sullivan.

3:26:43 John, you filmed this moment on your phone. Just can you describe what happened? Yeah, so basically, all the protesters kind of stormed to get into the chamber. We tried to get into the main entrance right when you walked down the hallway. But that being said, nobody was able to get in because there's two guards refusing to move. People there were not really wanting to hurt the police. So they went down a different alleyway. They went to the left of the main entrance of the chambers and then took a right down the hallway that entered into that glass window scene that you see. There were two, there was about like four or five police officers spread out at the forefront.

3:27:26 And I remember just coming up and seeing one of them like crying, saying they want to go home to their kids. So how was this lady shot? I mean, she was in the go trying to get through the door. And was it, do you did you see who shot her? Yeah, oh, so I was getting to that part. So immediately after they started breaking through the glass, once they broke through the glass, they were using like flagpoles and whatever they had to kind of bash through the windows. On the right-hand side, this lady was able to make her way all the way through the window. All we see is these guns come out the doorways. Just guns.

3:28:06 Guns. All you can see is their hand. That's it. You can see faces. And right when I saw that, I was yelling to people. I was like, guys, there's guns. There's guns. You don't want to go through there. Like, they were, you know, like they were going to shoot. Like, not just hold it there and run away. They were literally going to shoot the kill. Guns. And I got a wonderful clip that was inaudible, but it has the subtitles to it with him and Jade. And they're in it. So this guy, they made such a big deal about him with his footage, but really, he was just there to propagate more messaging. Yes. But then they had to take him down. Oh, well, of course. For whatever reason.

3:28:50 I mean, they weren't even. It was just, but yeah, but Jade Sacker, I can't find anything on her except for a website that she's done some, you know what I'm saying, photojournalism. But like I said, I have the footage of her and him in the in the uh in the Capitol. He's like, I told you I could get you in there. And like he sounded like he liked her. And he was like, I told you I could get you in here. And she was like, oh, this is awesome, John. And she was like, he was like, I love you. And she's like, what'd you say? He's like, nothing. You know what I'm saying? Like, he was clearly, he was clearly enamored with her. And like, she was the honeypot. And she let him in there. She got the footage that she wanted. And he was left swinging in the wind. That's how I see it. Yeah. Like I said,

3:29:34 this is why the internet newsletter is so valuable because certain things that we can't show here that I can show there that I found when I go down the rabbit hole that is, you know, it was in like you can't really hear it very well. We could work our way through it, but no, I think it's very more powerful if you actually watch the what time what time do the lives drop eight o'clock Wednesday Eastern Standard Time. And the show, same time, Wednesday. Same time. Okay. Yep. So Wednesday, eight o'clock, come to MoFax on YouTube and you'll find something, something going on over there.

3:30:12 Either a new show or the live lost tape. And we premiered on the on the YouTube and then we get it up on the podcast after that. Yeah, right after the premiere is over, we'll drop it to the podcast apps. So that way people can get on our routine with us as far as and it helps. The reason why we know you're like, why are we going to YouTube if we're trying to go away from it? It's like my man TD say, we're trying to grow big so we can come away from YouTube. Yeah, and suck all of you with us. Right, exactly. We're doing the same thing they do. Like the honeypot. It's like, come on. Exactly. Here's Mo. He's the honey.

3:30:54 All right. So that's what we, but yeah, that's, we, we, we have to use the algorithms against them. Uh, once that engagement happens, it's going to send a message to be fun. Uh, and you know, um, also likes, shares, and comments because that triggers the algorithm as well. Like I said, we just need to know what game we're playing here. So we can, you know, we can beat them. And then we just take them to Podcast 2.0 eventually. Thanks. So I know this is kind of a heavy show. And I don't, these last two clips, I don't know where. where to put this. I don't know if this is government control. I don't know if this is natural. I don't know if this is

3:31:37 performance art. But this is Commander Ghazi from the Black Hammers. And this is Isu's message to Antifa. One. Hello, Antifa. It's me, Ghazi, the commander-in-chief of the Black Camera Organization. Land back. I heard you had some not-so-nice things to say about me. I heard you had some nice things to say about my hammers. I heard you had not-so-nice things to do to one of my members.

3:32:20 One of my dear, dear members. An African Filipino mother that you doxed and thought you could get away with it. Thought we were going to back down. Thought we were going to take it. Nope. That's not going to happen. You messed with the wrong one this time. Yes. Oh, yes, you did. Oh, yes, you did. Because we don't take it lightly when harm is done to our African colonized women. And that's why a black hammer, we say, touch one, touch all. Touch one, touch all. Touch one, touch all. Touch one, touch all.

3:33:05 Touch one, touch all. And you touched one of us. So now you touched all of us. And we're going to have to do something about it. Clamback. Claremb? Okay. Is this the same? Hold on. Is this the same black hammer who was saying, stand with us? We're against the vaccines. We're behind Nikki Minaj, or am I confused? Uh-huh. That's the same one. Holy crap, man. She's acting there. I don't know who she is, but that. No, that's a he. That's a he? Yes. You got to do it. You got to do it.

3:33:46 We got some little. We got a little bit of time left. Go to YouTube, type it Isu's. This is like it's in the same thing that's in the in the uh the title. Okay, hold on a second. Uh, Isu's message, Isu's message to Antifa. Just so I can see it, right? That's what this is all about. Okay, hold on a second. Let me you got to have a visual of this. Okay. All right, here we go. Is it playing? Come on. Oh, hold on a second. For some reason, it's not coming through. Uh, headphones.

3:34:26 Here we go. Oh, it's real. Can you see him? Yeah. He's got the hammer. No, you see him. I just want you to see. I want you to see him. Yeah. Well, I said with the white face, the white makeup. Yes. And the Joker. What's going on here? But now, I'm going to play the second clip. I just want you to get a visual. Yeah. I got my visual. It's scary, Mo. So I said, I don't know if this is real. I don't know if this is like a splinter sale. Like, you know, they couldn't. Real and I don't, I don't know where to put this, but I mean, I had to tell you,

3:35:05 for all I know, this is a white guy playing a black guy with white face. I mean, well, his pictures in the white face. But that is appropriation. If we want to be to the letter of the law, he is appropriating whiteness with the face. I mean, if we want to be to the letter of the law of wokeness, which I find even more fascinating. Okay, hold on. Hold on a second. Hold on a second. I'm looking at their website. You love this, don't you? I'm looking at their website. Okay, donate. And you always got to click the donate button to see where the donation's going. We got to follow the money, people.

3:35:47 Let's see. This is a live curry cash check, folks. Oh, oh, I'm impressed. I'm impressed. They've got Bitcoin, Bitcoin donations. Okay, that's not bad. Let's see what. Let's got to see where it's going to. Ah, it'll take me too long because I got to fill in some information. This I will have to say. I'll tell you this. Can you give it to me so I can relate it to the people on the lost tape? Oh, heck yeah. So, I mean, this is going to be fun. This is going to be fun. now I get to stomp you, and then you get to go and do your thing. And then we get to feed it back to the people.

3:36:31 This, this group is something else, Mo. You want to hear more? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, let's play it. Let's play the next year. Then you wanted to talk about me. You wanted to call me anti-Semitic. You wanted to call me an anti-doxer because we're against vaccines. You wanted to call me all kinds of horrific things. But I don't really give a damn. And none of us give a damn. But where you went wrong was when you doxed one of my members, an amazing African Filipino mother.

3:37:15 And you made her so worried about her own safety that she had to pay for a more expensive security system. And she could barely afford it because you know that's the reality of us poor and working class black people. We just don't have money to spend, spend, spend, make it rain, ring, ring like that. And especially not with COVID taking all of our jobs away. So we told you you need to pay up. We told you you need to give reparations to our comrade that you doxed. And let me clear up all those nasty things you want to say about me and say about my father.

3:37:59 Fland back. Land back. Fans back. Land back. See, Antifa, you want to co-opt our movement, but we're not going to let it happen. Not this time. Mayo boys and girls in your suburban world want to jump on our hot tags just so you can come outside and play a video game and bust some windows, huh? Break down some businesses. Well, you've been messing up because you've been destroying black and brown businesses. Is this the same group that was going to get some land in Colorado?

3:38:37 This is performance art, and this has got to be the largest troll in the world, or perhaps a very sophisticated op that is unfolding slowly. I don't know. That's why I said I don't know where to put this because are you burning Antifa? Are you willing to go at the anti-vaxing like that in a op? I don't know. Like I said, I don't know. And look at this sellout AOC dropping jaws and dropping bombs. They've got a real organization here with people. This website is maintained, you know? It's not bad. It's good stuff. Jeez.

3:39:18 Fascinating. Like I said, if I had to lean, you're not going to bring up those hot button issues. But it's like, what do you do with them? Like, what's going on? I don't know. Like I said, I found it fascinating. I thought that would be a good way to end the show. I know what people say, we're in a simulation. Like, what is going on here? Well, this is put together by some script kitties, but they have the organizational manual, which is pretty detailed. You know, how to organize. Okay. This is, there's something sophisticated going on here.

3:40:01 There's something very sophisticated here. And they've been doing this. This isn't, they're not brand new. No. They're not brand new. Oh, my God. Well, Mo, thank you. Once again. Appreciate it. So that's my wrap on binary thinking. Everybody's had their two shots. If you listened through the show so far, of your, you know, the vaccine to heal, you know, people listening, being empathetic listeners. And don't worry. Don't worry if your immunity wanes. We've got a booster with a live next Wednesday and another show, like a booster after that and a booster every week if you want.

3:40:46 Yep. We got a booster every two weeks. Mo, thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much for doing such a great job, man. This, this was, I always learned something. And sometimes it's just like, wow, my mouth, my jaw drops open. And this was one of those moments. It was a great job. Really cool. I appreciate Adam. And as I always say, pay attention to everything and the truth will reveal itself. Remember to support us, mofacts.com. Mo, I will talk to you within the week. Yeah. I'll see you later, Adam. See y'all next week, everybody. Bye. Pull a string and I'll wink at you. I'm your puppet. I'm your puppet.

3:41:31 I'll do funny things if you walk into. I'm your puppet. I'm your puppet. Oh, I'm yours to have it to hold. Darling, you've got full control of your puppet. I'm your puppet. Pull another string and I'll kiss your lips. I'm your puppet. Slap your finger, and I'll turn you some lips. I'm your puppet.

3:42:16 Well, baby, every wish is my man. All you gotta do is just wave your hand. I'm your puppet. I'm your puppet. I'm your puppet. I'm just a toy, just your funny toy that makes you laugh when you feel blue. I'll be more open, do just what I'm told. I'll do anything for you. I'm your puppet.

3:43:03 I'm your puppet. I'm your puppet. Just pull the little strings and I'll sing you a song. I'm your puppet. I'm your puppet. You can make me do right or make me do wrong. I'm your puppet. I'm your puppet. Treat me good and I'll do anything. I'm just a puppet and you hold my strings. I'm your puppet. I'm your puppet.

3:43:49 I'm your walking boy, talking for you. Love it, call it puppet. Hanging on your strings. I'm coming up and teaching my boy. I'm your puppet.