43: Black Inc.

00:10 Mo Facts with Adam Curry for July 20th, 2020. This is episode number 43. Yes, here he is. My very own dollar dollar bill, y'all. Hey, Mo, how you doing? I'm doing good, Adam. How about yourself? Fantastic, man. I love this track. This is really good. Wu-Tang clan. The Wu-Tang Clan. The one and only. Love it. Love it. Well, apologies, everybody. It's been, we've had a bit of an absence since episode 42. I will take first responsibility since I decided to hustle my bride away for her birthday. We went to Rona Central in Florida. I came back and we're still alive.

00:53 And Mo, you were still kind of moving. So we wanted to get back on track for Saturday. And I don't know. It's like Mo had all kinds of people showing up at the house. On my end. Okay. So it's twice your fault, Adam, and once mine. Let's just get. Okay, I'm sorry. Let's give credit. Let's give credit with credit due. All right. Okay. So you went on vacation. Yes. And then you kicked me down a rabbit hole. Oh. Oh, right. Okay. I'm sorry. In that case, yes, indeed. It is my fault. And then Saturday, I get up, 5 a.m. I got the coffee going. I'm going to say get my clip list already. And I hear, well, I don't actually hear a knock at the door.

01:38 My daughter comes downstairs and said, hey, dad, there's somebody at the door, which that's rare around these parks. And he's this ADT guy. He shows up unbeknownst to anybody. He's like, hey, I'm here to put your security system in. We've been waiting for two weeks. I'm like, ah, and it's one of these guys. You can't send him away. And you can't send him away at that point. I mean, you got to go. You got to keep him there. I would have to leave with him because my wife is like, if we don't have security here, and whatever, whatever. You're going to need a lot of coffee for sit and watch for the next 24 hours. Right. So then he was, I called him at the door. I'm like, I want cameras here, here, and here. And I'm trying to go back downstairs. And every second, he's like, sorry, do you know this feature?

02:20 Do you know that feature? I'm like, come on. So then we just ran out of time. And does it all work? Is it all hooked up? And is it all installed now? Are you safe as the family says? Yes. Okay. I feel safe. I can see all 360 degrees in my property. And I feel quite safe. Excellent. Well, we, of course, committed to each other. We're really going to try and keep a Saturday schedule now as things have started to shake out. And Mo actually has a day job that he's kind of figured into a schedule. So we should be good for our Saturdays from now on. God willing, you never know. Life does get in the way from time to time. How about I stay in the wheel? Can I say one thing? Yeah, please. Before you do, the reason why I had to stay on schedule now is because of my newest, biggest fan.

03:03 Even before the show, I was his biggest fan, my Uncle Richard. Oh, okay. He is now. He is now. Yeah, I found out he's a listener. So he's like, when you're dropping, when you're dropping. All right. All right. Uncle Richard, nice. Well, at least we know we have one fan. That's good. I know we got a lot of producers out there, but actual fans. All right. This is a big deal. All right. Well, I'm going to see what we got on the old wheel of topics. Man, there's so much, but we know it's somewhere located near a rabbit hole. So as we see it go round and round, where does it stop? Nobody knows. Mo knows because today's show topic is we

03:43 are trained Marxists. That would be Patrice Colors. What's your name from Black Lives Matter? Yes, Patrice Colors from Black Lives Matter. That is correct. Yes. Oh, by the way. And I wanted to come right out. Yes, go ahead. Before we start, I just wanted to say, are we going to talk about Kanye today at any point? No. We can't. We can't. We can't. Kanye, he needs his own episode. I mean, he already had one episode already. Exactly. Exactly. All right. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to. You're not in the Kanye rabbit hole. No, no, you're right. That's the major. It's a major, major. It's flagged. It's a flag topic.

04:25 It's on the way. There will be plenty of time, no doubt. Yes. But we have to talk about Patrice Colors and her admission that we all have speculated, pointed to, but she just came right out and said it that they're trained Marxists. Yes. Yes. That was pretty good. So, as you always know, I wanted to go back and listen to the whole interview that that snippet came from. Yep. And that is one Mr. Jared A. Ball and it's titled. titled An Interesting Interview with Black Lives Matter co-founder Patrice Colors.

05:05 So, Patrice, for those who may have just been introduced to you in a most direct way at the Netroots conference intervention you conducted, please help them and us see past what appears from my point of view to have been a tremendous amount of appropriation and suppression of you, Opal and Alicia as founders, and the particular brand of radical black gender and sexuality politics you all work with. So, if you would please summarize for us how you see the origins, politics, and purpose of Black Lives Matter. Wow. So, I kind of remember there was a disruption at the Netroots, which is a political thing, isn't it?

05:45 Netroots. Yes. Yes. I seem to recall this. It was pretty much they were trying to be co-opted. As you know, with any organization, they usually take the leaders out or replace the leaders. So, as Jared said, they were being suppressed and appropriated. And then he also said a radical brand of black gender and sexuality politics. Which to me sounded like, wait a minute, do we have more lesbian black women on the scene again? Because this is, I've seen this. Yes. And we're really going to get to what Black Lives Matter is about.

06:26 And I want to say this. I know I tried to run with the term Black Lives Matter Inc. Yeah. To differentiate between the organization and the people on the ground. But I think I'm going to shorten it up just to Black Inc. And Black Inc is pretty much going to be anything that's done as far as business. That could be the Al Sharpners of the world, the Jesse Jacksons, the Black Lives Matters, and will be just nice, short, and sweet. Black Inc. Black Inc. I like it. I like it. I'm actually going to see if I can find the domain name. Continue. I'm playing along. Don't worry. All right. So to further flesh out this radical brand of black gender and sexuality politics, in clip number three, they go on to talk about

07:16 black men. I think that's a great question. And the first place I'll go is: the origins come from a deep place of black love and black rage. Both Alicia and myself and Opal feeling the impact of George Zimmerman being acquitted of Trayvon Martin's murder, what that actually meant for our society, what that meant for this country to allow for this light-skinned white passing man to kill a young boy and get away with it. We knew this was going to have consequences far greater than that current moment.

07:58 And so Black Lives Matter was a call for all black lives. And it was important for us as black women, and two of which are queer, was to actually talk about the totality of black life and that black cis men are not the sum of black people, but rather all black life being the totality of black people, whether that's black trans folk, whether that's black folks who've been incarcerated, whether that's black folks who are currently incarcerated, black folks with disabilities. We wanted to call a new black liberation movement that centered those most at the margin as a part of a political frame to challenge the current system that we live in.

08:43 Wow, Moe, sounds to me like you're out. You're on the outs there, man. You don't count. I am not surprised. I was never surprised. Because as she said, I mean, a lot, this clip, there's a lot to unpack. First of all, the origin. She said it comes out of black love and black rage. Yeah. Black rage towards who is a question that we need to ask because as two queer women, as she also said, I'm sure there's some black rage aimed at black men, black cisgendered men, to be specific. She also says about a light-skinned white passing man. She referred to George Zimmerman.

09:26 Because we all know George Zimmerman would be actually classified as Hispanic. Latinx. But excuse me. So this light-skinned white passing man, we've talked about passing on this show. And then she rounds out the clip with black cis men are not the sum of black people. Yeah. Even though they use black cis men. men in majority to push their cause forward, but this, as I've been saying, beginning of the show, we are being used. We're a political football to kick open the door. What they realize is what all other groups have realized about black people.

10:11 They said, okay, we can use black men to kick open the door and leave black men holding the door while we rush all our other people. Everybody rushes in. Yeah, exactly. So, are you surprised, Adam? I mean, you know, as I said, well, of course, we've done some work on Black Lives Matter and I've researched it quite a bit myself. And to hear that there's a strong anti-man element in it, no, is not surprising at all. It's part of the problematic patriarchy. In this case, it's specifically sliced and diced. And yeah, it seems like a repetition of what we've been talking about for almost, by the way, July 31st is our one-year anniversary.

10:54 So, yeah, it's am I am I surprised? No, but that's because I've been around for almost a year. I haven't paid attention. And what I wanted people to realize is I've said this a couple times, Warren, is we brought up this term heteronormative patriarchy. I think that's the term. And I've also stated that there's been an article written, and one Jamal Hill supported this article, and it got a lot of support from what we call Allies of Black Lives Matter, stating that black men are the white people of black people.

11:32 Yes, exactly. We'll get around to breaking that down eventually, but I wanted this interview. Everybody ran with the Marxist thing. But I think this is more telling entry to the black community because black men are the catalyst that black men being killed in the street are the catalyst for what's going on for everything that's going on. But they want to say, oh, no, we'll push it to the side and we'll talk about our agenda. And I don't want to belabor the point, but we talked about in one of our other shows that they brought up climate change and all kinds of weird stuff.

12:12 What it is, it's exclusionary. She literally said it. She said, All lives matter, but we really need to focus on anything but cis black men. That's what she said. You can't deny it. Yes, because we're the problem. I told you we're the white men. Hello. Hello. We're the white people of black. Why do you think we've joined in together on this show, man? It's like white men are an even bigger problem. So, yeah, it makes sense. And I'll say this in closing and we can go into the next clip, but they're putting black cis men in a very paintless into a corner because now you're making us choose between being quote unquote black or being a quote unquote

12:53 man. Yeah. And that's not a decision you really don't want us to make. No. Just being honest. So wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Yes. Which to me means if you really had to choose gun to your head, you'd choose for being a man. Yes, I had to choose being a man first. I would have expected nothing else from you, actually. So yeah. But that because that's more of my identity. I mean, if you want to get into identities, that's a bigger part of my identity course than blackness. Yes. Well, this I know this I know because we hang out. Right. So I guess we can get right into Marxists.

13:34 How do you respond to that particular critique? Again, a loving critique from an elder of the struggle that some others share, that I've even shared as well, to be frank, is a concern about, in part because of the co-optation and the appropriation, that a more clear ideological structuring might be of some value here. But how do you respond to those kinds of, again, loving criticisms? I think that the criticism is helpful. I also think that it might, I think of a lot of things. The first thing I think is that we actually do have an ideological frame. Myself and Alicia in particular are trained organizers.

14:19 We are trained Marxists. We are super versed on sort of ideological theories. And I think that what we really try to do is build a movement that could be utilized by many, many black folk. We don't necessarily want to be the vanguard of this movement. I think we've tried to put out a political frame that's about centering who we think. think are the most vulnerable amongst the black community to really fight for all of our lives. Kind of kicking myself because, of course, I was one of those dopes who just got the Marxist comment for the No Agenda Show and left it at that.

15:04 You're right. There's a lot in here. This is deep. I'm really glad you did that. We've trained you well on the No Agenda Show. So the setup is Jared. Jared asked Patrice about critics saying Black Lives Matters lacks structure or a plan. So she, I think she was irked by that because one, Jared even himself, being a man, ginger male voice questioning, questioning her. And then it was an elder that also he framed the question that had brought up the point and he agreed with the point. So I think she was irked. And by being irked, she let the truth come out to say that we're trained, one, trained organizers.

15:47 And when I hit the word organizer, I think community organizers. And I think no, no, other than Barry O. Committee order. Right. So you hear trained organizer. I said, okay, so my ears perked up. And then she drops the hammer. She says, we're trained Marxists. And if you know Marxists. That's a very good analysis. I think you're right. She just needed to, she was like, who do you think I am? And that's a very, and you're right. And she let it slip out and says, excuse me, just so you know, I'm not some dipshit who just stood up here. I'm a trained, trained Marxist. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. Like a revolutionary. Like, don't mess with me.

16:26 And she used the word. She said, we're super verse. Yeah. Superverse. So she's a super, so she's a super trained Marxist. Superverse. Are we? I'm not surprised, though, because if you saw that was me breaking down the waves, right? The first wave are Marxist tactics. Yep. And then you use the second wave of propaganda, excuse me, of provocateurs. Third wave is your criminal element. And then the fourth wave, you blanket it all and with the good people. So then you hide amongst the masses. Who did this interview again? Who was the interviewer? This is Jared A. Ball from the Mix What I Like, I guess, podcast or show.

17:08 So it was a great find for him. I would guess, I would hope that his follow-up question was: Where did you receive your train, your Marxist training? And who trained you? And could you give me a little details on that? I'm sure that was a question, wasn't it? No, it wasn't. And I want to say this about Jared. Jared seems to be very left-leaning. I don't want to cast anything upon him, but he seems, I mean, he's big. He's as Mike majoring in colonialism. He's a professor on Black history and things of that nature. So I think he understood what she was saying. It was not what's understood doesn't have to be explained kind of situation. Okay. All right.

17:52 So to set up this next clip, Patrice goes on to define black and black lives matter. One last question, if I could, real quick. There has been some controversy in some circles over the definition of black. Could you say a word or two about how you conceive the term black and what you mean when you say black lives matter? Black to me is both about a race that's been constructed, but it's also a political statement. It's a political framework. And I think it's important as we are building out this movement for black liberation that we in the Black Lives Matter movement allow for

18:34 necessary debate to come up around how we use the term and who's using the term and when it's used and why it's a important point to sort of build people together. And I think it's specifically important when it comes to how the U.S. is very clever at turning other groups white, right? And making them white. And we've seen that throughout history when groups were not white and when the white power structure was threatened, they figured out a way to make groups white. And I think as we move forward, we have to figure out political alignments that hold blackness as a broader framework than just sort of the skin we're in, but as a political statement.

19:19 I'm curious what groups she's talking about because a lot of the groups that we've discussed in the past started out with white leadership, including historically black colleges and NAACP. What groups is she referring to? When you say groups, I mean, can you clarify what you mean? Organizations, NAACP, other groups. groups? Was she talking about uprisings and like Black Panther? I'm not sure. I think what she says.

19:56 So she says, okay, there's a couple of things she says there. One, she blames America for making other people white when it's convenient, correct? Well, she made that statement. Well, she said that, you know, we have groups and then the U.S., she said, is great at turning them white or making them white. Oh, okay. I got it. I got it now. What she's referring to is how the Irish were the Irish, and then they were made white. The Hispanic, Hispanic, and then they were made white. Got it, God. All right. I'm glad we can figure that one out. Yeah, because we were hearing it two different ways. Yeah.

20:38 That's kind of cool, actually. I like that. Yeah, that was cool. Okay. So how I heard it was when the white people, quote-unquote, white people numbers are low, they'll ingrain and graft. I mean, graft in other groups. But that's basically convenience. That's the system of white supremacy that was started over in Europe. That was. I've learned so much. Oh, teach. I want to star on my forehead. Yes, okay. That is true. That is truly the that capturing that ways what we've defined as true white supremacy. And the point I want to make is she just did this a clip previous, two clips prior with George Zimmerman because she made him the same thing.

21:25 Bam. Okay. I got it now. All right. All right. And here's the conflict. And this is why I have to use black ink because unbeknownst to me, oh, I thought black was talking about my lineage, but little did I know it was also a political statement. Nobody let me know this. I was walking talking political statements. That's why you're like a sandwich guy, you know, hanging. You got the sandwich boards on the front and the back. Wow. Right. So this is why we have to use this term from 43 on. We're talking about black. We have to talk about black ink. Yep. Because black ink is the political statement which they are monetizing

22:10 for political and monetary gain. Right. Then she says who can use the term. So basically it's a licensing agreement. It's like it is. We're determining who can use it. It's like, well, and you know, that may not be far off. But no, that may not be far off. I'm sure that you can't just be using Black Lives Matter. I'm sure that's all licensed. They got that down, man. They had that shit. I mean, I found out they had that locked up in 2015. They had it all sewed up. The legalese, everything for all the trademarks, you name it. But they're talking about black itself. Oh, yeah. So this is why we saw all these millions and millions of dollars pouring in for corporations because it's like we need to be black affiliated, right?

22:53 So it's kind of like He, the high efficient on your time. It's kind of like all your brands are black friendly. So that's that's the money you saw rolling in. And finally, she said she blacks as broader framework than skin. She said, blacks as a broader framework than the skin we're in. Yes. Huh? So now they're just going to graft in who they want to to be black. Yeah. Yeah. That, by the way, is the work of a trained Marxist. That kind of wording is good, man. Now she's good at it. She's good. Give her big props for that. So we have the birth of Black Inc.

23:38 So now we have to go back and say, what is Marxism and who is Karl Marx? Marx was born in 1818 in Trier in Germany. Soon he became involved with the Communist Party, a tiny group of intellectuals advocating for the overthrow of the class system and the abolition of private property. He worked as a journalist and had to flee Germany, eventually settling in London. Marx wrote an enormous number of books and articles, sometimes with his friend Friedrich Engels. Mostly, Marx wrote about capitalism, the type of economy that dominates the Western world. It was in his day still getting going, and Marx was one of its most intelligent and perceptive critics. These were some of the problems he identified with it. Modern work is alienated.

24:23 One of Marx's greatest insights is that work can be one of the sources of our greatest joys. But in order to be fulfilled at work, Marx wrote that workers need to see themselves in the objects they have created. Nice. I bet you you've been on this case for a while now, but I bet you didn't realize it. You want to know what it is? Yes, please. Noodle Boy's a Marxist. Oh, yeah. You know, but it's what he just said. What he just said, I need to recognize myself in my work. Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

25:00 That's exactly what he was saying. He was saying. I know you don't want me to make the noodles this way, but I need to recognize myself in the noodles. In the noodles. I don't see myself in the noodles. That's pure Marxist talk. So I don't want to take your noodle gun from you because that's a no-agenda thing. So I came up with my own thing. It's called the Cancel Cannon. The Cancel Canon. I love it. I love it. I love it. That is good. Let me hear that thing again. Nice. Cancel cannon. Excellent. Excellent. So we're seeing these, the intersectionality to use the language of Noodle Boy, Black Lives Matter.

25:48 They're all saying we want to take ownership and control the organization. Yes. And we want to control production, which is where socialism and communism come in. Right. And this is, I just wanted to point that out because I was like, wow, like, because they didn't dawn on me. It was like Noodle Boy. I thought he was just complaining. And like, you know, it was like more of a, I don't want to get into the generational war, but more like a millennial just complaining about, you know, why do we have to do it this way? But this is ironclad Marxism that he was kicking out. Well, especially in light of how Patrice Cullers was talking about, you know, it being more than just the skin, go beyond the skin and become part of something else.

26:33 And that would be the work, I guess. Yes, this is the work. This is doing the work. Just as an aside, because I've done a lot on Karl Marx, and his name was mentioned in that first clip, Richard Engels. Yes. The thinking for me goes that Marx, you know, here was a journalist. He was really kind of like a blogger of his age. And I believe it was a lot of Richard Engels or Engels, actually, that had a lot of the ideas. And Karl Marx blogged about it and he got most of the credit. It doesn't really matter because Marxism remains the same, the same thing. Yeah, Engelism doesn't have the ring to it as Marxism does. At all. At all. Absolutely. I'm telling you. It's all about the branding. Of course. At the end of the day.

27:18 Why do you think I'm the pod father and Dave Weiner hates me? It's obvious. Right. It's all about the branding. So I guess we can get deeper into who Karl Marx was with Eclipse 7. Part of the problem is that modern work is incredibly specialized. Specialized jobs make the modern economy highly efficient. But they also mean that it's seldom possible for any one worker to derive a sense of the genuine contribution they might be making to the real needs of humanity. Marx argued that modern work leads to alienation and fremdung. In other words, a feeling of disconnection between what you do all day and who you feel you really are and what you think you'd ideally be able to contribute to existence.

28:03 Modern work is insecure. Capitalism makes the human being utterly expendable, just one factor among others in the forces of production, and one that can ruthlessly be let go the minute the costs rise or savings can be made through technology. And yet, as Marx knew, deep inside each of us, we don't want to be arbitrarily let go. We're terrified of being abandoned. Communism isn't just an economic theory. Understood emotionally, it expresses a deep-seated longing that we always have a place in the world's heart, that we will not be cast out. Yes. A lot to unpack there. One, I think a lot of these people that get sucked into Marxism is because they don't have the family there, right?

28:47 I mean, that's where you really find your identity from your family and that kind of thing. So if your whole life is dedicated to your job, you're saying to your job, I need you to appreciate me. I can't let you cut me off easily. So I think that's why we're starting to see this pivot back to Karl Marx, communism, socialism. I mean, it's all on the same mile markers on the same road. I mean, in my opinion. Yeah. And the lack of a father is probably just as, you know, forget just family, just lack of a man about the house. So maybe that's why their number one target is the man. I mean, it just becomes cyclical, right?

29:29 It just self-feeding. Now, I will say, I do myself have. capitalism is the best system. I don't think we're in a capitalistic society anymore. I think it's more corporatist. Or some people even say, what is it? What's the term they like to use? Technocratic society of society. Yeah, it's another good one. But Henry Ford, as a small aside, Henry Ford had realized this issue of profit sharing, right? You have to share the profits with the workers to keep the workers motivated.

30:04 And he had this thing called a social welfare department. And what he would do is he would study the workers and he would give them, he came up with the $5 a day, $5 per day workday, which was unheard of in 1914. He also, what was it, the 40-hour work week? So I think within capitalism, there is an opportunity to balance out the worker and employee relationship. But this is what the communist slash socialist slash Marxists prey on is this rift between the worker and the employee. And I think capitalists have to do a better job. And that's just my quick aside.

30:47 And I would add to that. I know a lot of people who still work at the Ford Motor Company today, and that, what is that, culture of being proud of what they're doing altogether is definitely still there. I mean, they love the cars that they build. And, you know, this is stuff you see in the commercial. You know, we work here, boom. And I'm sure Chevy has the same. But the Ford Motor Company still has that absolute culture. And I think the people there are still pretty happy, even though, of course, they're being eliminated by automation. But, you know, it's not that fast a process. And there's always human creativity needed.

31:27 Well, being in manufacturing myself, anytime you can point to your children and say, I built that, or I helped that. Yeah. That is great for society in itself because it allows your children to have a certain respect for you that my dad creates something. I mean, of course, you have it in other industries as well, but I'm just speaking in manufacturing terms because that's when it was really the industrial age when this thing was really kicking up with Karl Marx. So let's wrap up, wrap up this final set of clips with prophesies theft. This is perhaps the most obvious qualm that Marx had with capitalism. In particular, he believed that capitalists shrink the wages of the laborers as much as possible in order to skim off a wide profit margin.

32:14 He called this primitive accumulation, Ursprungliche Accumulation. Whereas capitalists see profit as a reward for ingenuity and technological talent, Marx was far more damning. Profit is simply theft, and what you're stealing is the talent and hard work of your workforce. However much one dresses up the fundamentals, Marx insists that at its crudest, capitalism means paying a worker one price for doing something and then selling it to somebody else at a much higher price. Profit is the fancy term for exploitation. Well, for that day, I can see why that made sense. I don't think it's true anymore. I mean, that people get screwed, yes, but there's go ahead.

32:58 Yeah, no, no, you're on the right path. And if you look, and you just put it in an improper context, if you're talking about black people fresh out of slavery and experiencing sharecropping, when you hear this just on the surface level, it may seem appealing to you. Yeah. But one side is like, right? You mean like, I do all the food, I do all the work. Yeah. What the hell? You take all the profits. And you basically, and sometimes you leave me in debt. A lot of times, sharecroppers were left in debt. So when you hear this alternate economic ideology, it might seem appealing to you, but there's only one problem.

33:42 Well, there's a couple problems. Well, I'm saying to them, one thing they didn't realize was the term collectivism. And we're going to hear about that from Stephen Kotkin from the Hoover Institute. Collectivization, you're going to correct me on this, ties the peasants to collective farms, forces them to work on collective farms, in effect, reintroducing serfdom. Have I got that right? Yes, that's basically the story. All right. And you write here that Stalin, in imposing collectivization, enslaved 100 million people. Again, I got that right. All right. Why? Why was that necessary?

34:26 Why was collectivization of such importance to Stalin? In the old days, people argued that it was necessary because this is how you modernized a peasant country. Right. You modernized the peasant country through coercion. You used the state to force everybody to do what the state needed them to do. And that's how you built an industrial power out of a peasant country. Marxism, Leninism, and collectivization is necessary. How come? So, in those terms, how come? Marxism is about the transcendence of capitalism. Capitalism is evil, alienation, exploitation, war,

35:09 mass unemployment, and depressions. So, in order to get to a better place in history, Marx argued, capitalism had to be transcended. The Hegelian word Alf Hebel. Hmm. So here we have them basically saying communism or Marxism is going to lead you right back to slavery. So I don't think, I think the sharecroppers were told that part of it. No, not at all. He's like, instead of you paying your money to the crooked slave owners, you'll just pay it to the state. Yeah. Sounds about right.

35:51 Right. And it goes from, you know, what is it? But of course, there's the illusion. The illusion is that, you know, that the state, of course, is made up by the people until you find out that it's really only the people who are in the party. And that's really nepotism all throughout. That's how that usually works out. And that's the problem because all these systems are ran by humans and humans are self-gratifying. So at the end of the day, you're going to still be dealing with the same problems you have in capitalism, like you said, nepotism, favoritism, and all other forms of just

36:35 unequal and unfair unfair practices. When it's appropriate in the show, Mo, let me know when I can tell you about the new emergent form of ism that we're right now, that we're in right now. What kind of an economy I think that is being formed? Just if there's a spot, let me know and I'll give it to you. Okay, if not, if we get too far along, just drop it on me. So we have talked about communism and its relationship to civil rights. And just to bring people up to speed, I have a throwback clip from show 22. And this is Danny Rubin, who was a major figure in the Communist Party.

37:18 He talks about Rosa Parks and the bus movement. So then, when, you know, a couple years later, we went to them and asked them to help finance these buses of young people to the youth march in support of the Supreme Court decision. They did it. That's how we were able to bring 2,000 young people to D.C. What else? Oh, so I'm so I'm giving you a picture. This is the stuff closest to 60 that led up to it.

38:01 And of course there was Rosa Parks and the Montgomery Bus Boycott and the Montgomery, I forget what they called association, something association. And we had a role in those things. Rosa Parks was active in the Southern Negro Youth Congress. People knew her. She was not a party member. But after she became a heroine, she was, you know, friendly. Well, maybe this is a good point for you to mention the Highlander Folk School. Maybe this is a good time for you to mention the Highlander Folk School.

38:44 Yeah, I intend to. Let me just finish this. So yesterday, I had my headphones on. I'm listening to Kanye's rally in South Carolina. And he asked the crowd, he says, you know about Rosa Parks, right? You know, she wasn't the first. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, Claudette Colvin. I know, I know. Kanye, look at me, look at me. He never got to it because he got cut off, something like that. But it was interesting. The audience there was certainly not all in the know. Of course not. I mean, because his narrative, and I keep telling this thing, this narrative is more powerful than.

39:24 than real history. Oh, always. And I've said this before, and I know I'll keep saying it's a hot take, but the narrative of slavery is just as dangerous to black people as the actual act of slavery was because it leaves us in a state of perpetual victimhood. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm ringing the bell for you. All right, so we have Rosa Parks here. We know the real Rosa Parks, she liked guns, so she wasn't all for the nonviolence part of civil rights. And then they said she was friendly. She could never be an official party member because she was too close to King. Right. And they, and King was the squeaky clean guy.

40:09 We always say, any, any, any nefarious organization, you got to have the clean guy, you know, the bad guys. Well, as I've learned to say to people, oh, M. Okay, yeah, he was the Greta of the time. Right. So, I mean, you can't have Greta out here getting all dirty, partaking, yeah, getting all dirty. So just by association, Rosa Parks couldn't be seen as communist as well, because a lot of people early on knew what that meant. And it also opened them up for Hoover to, you know, have a clean line of attack against them.

40:46 Yes. With that said, what we need to do is go way, way back before Rosa Parks and how communism brought racial equality to the South. I'm Michelle Martin, and this is Tell Me More from NPR News. First, we continue our Black History Month series of conversations. Throughout this Black History Month, we've been focusing on new news about Black history, new scholarship that has emerged in recent decades that sheds new light on the story of Black people in America. Today, we want to hear about communists in the civil rights movement. Now, that's a sensitive subject since those working for equality have often been accused of being communists in this country, but some were.

41:26 And we're joined now by Robin Kelly, author of Hammer and Ho, Alabama Communists During the Great Depression. It documents how the Communist Party worked to secure racial, economic, and political justice. He's a professor of American Studies and History at the University of Southern California. And this semester, he's the Harmsworth Professor of American History at the University of Oxford. And we welcome you to the program. Thank you for joining us. Gee, somehow I didn't read about this in the 1619 project. I don't understand how they could have missed that. Well, it's because you have to protect your assets. One being MLK, which I told people, and we're going to see it later in the show, is he's the greatest control mechanism they have over black people.

42:07 Right. Not him, not the man, but the product that they created from his legacy. It's quite clear that the civil rights movement was birthed out of communism and communist tactics. Not really taught. Not really taught that way. Well, Marxist teacher at Marxist University is not going to teach you about Marxist influence on exactly. No, I'm all in. And this is a little discussed topic in a mainstream way. That's a great find, this NPR stuff is fantastic. So I guess we can just get into Robert Kelly talks about the sharecropper movement.

42:47 How did you get interested in this topic? And as I mentioned, it is a sensitive topic because there are those for decades who've worked to tamp down the suggestion that anybody in the civil rights movement was attracted to the Communist Party at all. Exactly. And this is a story that actually predates the civil rights movement as we know it, going back to the 1930s. I became interested in this as a doctoral dissertation back in the mid-80s when I was very active in a lot of social movements in actually in the LA area. And I wanted to know how the Communist Party organized African Americans, particularly in places where black people were the majority.

43:30 And there I discovered a very vibrant movement that very few people wrote about. There basically were two stories. One memoir by a man named Hosea Hudson. And then another story in a book called All God's Dangers, which was about an African-American sharecropper. All God's Dangerous, the life of Nate Shaw. I remember that. Exactly. But his real name was Ned Cobb. Nateshaw was a pseudonym. And it's a beautiful book that tells his life story. And only a portion of it deals with his membership in the communist-led sharecroppers union, which at one point had about 12,000 members in the black belt counties of Alabama.

44:08 And were all the members black? Well, in Alabama, there was a point when basically all the members except one were all African-American sharecroppers and tenant farmers. farmers. Huh? Well, I can see where all this is headed. I love it. I'm feeling as the interviewer stated, there has been concerted effort to tamp down, this is her words, to tamp down the communist connection with the civil rights movement. Indeed. So this is clear, this is clear suppression. Yeah. And it's really not because they didn't want to cover the story.

44:48 It's they wanted to cover their tracks because the media is in on this whole thing. I mean, you have media, academia, and some businesses. They are all in on pushing this narrative. And as wow, I see the repeat coming. I see the cycle forming. This is very interesting. I like it. Yeah. So as Robin Kelly also said, there was 12,000 members in Alabama alone, all black. Yeah. All black. So, I mean, this speaks to how widespread it was. And it predated the civil rights by like 30 years. So

45:29 this is nothing new. So you can see how Rosa Parks, she was born into pretty much this environment of communism. And it seems so appealing, obviously. If you're a suppressed worker or you're black in the South, yeah, I mean, I can totally, yeah, this sounds like a good idea. That's why I made the statement about the sharecroppers and they're the prime target. Yep. And not just because I think so. Moscow thought so. 13. How did the Communist Party get started in Alabama? In 1928, the communists' position internationally was that African Americans in the South have the right to self-determination, meaning they have the right to create their own nation in the South.

46:17 And it's a position that came out of Moscow. It came from other black communists around the globe. And with that idea in mind, they sent two organizers to Alabama and they went to Birmingham. And they chose Birmingham because it was probably the most industrialized city in the South. And they went there thinking they would organize white workers. And from white workers, black workers would follow. But no white workers would come forward. And so the first two organizers was a guy named James Julio, who was a Sicilian worker who had migrated to Alabama, and another guy named Tom Johnson. And together, they went out looking for white workers and black workers came.

47:01 And black workers came in fairly large numbers right away because for them, they had a memory of Reconstruction, a memory of the Civil War. And in that kind of collective memory, they were told that one day the Yankees would come back and finish the fight. Well, when they saw these white communists, they said, oh, good, the Yankees are here. We can't wait to join. Wow. That's fantastic. What a great clip. Oh, my goodness. So you have Moscow monitoring the black South. Isn't this exactly what Trump and Russia was accused of? Yeah, collusion.

47:40 Right. It was like Trump, he's targeting black people because, you know, their distrust and, you know, the Russians are fomenting division with, you know, with these emails, these instructive emails and social media posts. Bro, it's a cycle. It's the cycle. It's the cycle, but it wasn't coming from Russia. That's the problem. It was out in the open. It's still out in the open. Right. And then you have the black people thinking, well, if these are the, you want to put the bad white people in the South and you have these outsiders coming in offering you what you perceive to be better.

48:16 Well, basically sounds like a better deal. So just to summarize, before the civil rights movement, well before it, our black brothers and sisters were sucked into a communist trap, which they seem to still be caught in, only it goes by different names now. It's not the same. You know, we get sucked in and then we'll fight our way out and then they'll rebrand and then we get sucked in again from the newer generation and then we'll fight our way out and then we get sucked in again. It's new code. This is the third cycle of being sucked into a communist mindset. Yes. Wow. This is so good. I don't see why people go to school to learn this stuff.

49:00 You could just listen to a podcast. Right. Before I forgot. What was the name of the guy who was really the speechwriter behind Martin Luther King who recently got a commendation from Congress? What's his name? The gay guy who got caught in that. Oh, they all. they are resting. That's right. Okay, because I was trying to tell somebody the other day. Oh, he's going to make an appearance in today's show. Oh, nice. Nice, nice, nice. Okay, good. So we have, let's see, we stopped at 13. Okay, let's get right into 14. What was the Communist Party's message at that time? And why were these black folks so attracted to it? Well, there were three things they focused on.

49:41 One, because it was during the Great Depression, their primary focus was the unemployed. And so their demands were: we want either work or some kind of support from the government. The second thing was in 1931, you had the famous Scottsboro case where nine young black men were arrested falsely for raping two white women and they ended up going to jail. Well, these cases happen all the time where black men are falsely accused. The difference was that the Communist Party made the Scottsboro issue an international issue. They put it in the newspapers. They spread the word all over the globe in different languages.

50:20 And these unknown figures suddenly became a kind of cause celeb. And finally, the third thing was basic civil rights. The right to vote, the right to sit on juries, you know, the right to not be Jim Crowed or segregated. These things certainly drew out black working people. Yeah. Fantastic. That makes so much sense. They use the same taxes as they use today. The exploiting of criminal cases with propaganda all around the world and for the gain of the gain for the Communist Party. Well, what they figured out, I guess, is that, hey, we can do this trick with any marginalized group.

51:02 Just tell people, hey, are you this? Are you that? Oh, we can do the same thing for you. That's what's happened: the expansion of that. Right. And their reaction is so visceral to racial issues. Yes. Because, you know, it's Hegelian. That's right. The black against the white. So it feeds right into it. So I found this interesting set of clips next. And this is Mr. Leonard Patterson. He's a black man who exposes communism and explains why he was a communist. The Spoken Word Library presents, I Trained in Moscow for Black Revolution, a lecture by Leonard Patterson.

51:46 Cool. Mr. Patterson joined the Communist Party in Philadelphia in 1928. He rose rapidly through the ranks, went to Moscow for advanced training along with such well-known party officials as Steve Nelson, Benjamin Gitlo, and Claude Lightfoot. In fact, while in Russia, he was the roommate of Gus Hall, later to become head of the Communist Party, USA. Leonard Patterson was no small-time operator within the movement. He was a member of the National Committee and National Bureau of the Young Communist League, a member of the Central Committee of the Negro Commission, and chairman of the International Negro Commission of the Communist International.

52:24 He organized and led picket lines, strikes, goon squads, and riots, all in accordance with orders from party headquarters. He was an active and effective communist propagandist, not only in the United States, but also in Russia and Germany as well. Mr. Patterson left the Communist Party when he finally realized it wasn't honestly interested in helping Negroes, that it was just using him and his people as cannon fodder to create hatred and violence, and that the goal of the communist movement was the enslavement of all peoples. Oh, man. And my mind is just wandering as I'm thinking about that. Do you think it's possible that later when J.

53:05 Edgar Hoover came up in the FBI and knowing that he was essentially a passing black man, that his search to root out communism was in any way related to suppressing his race? I can see it one of two ways. He could say, okay, I'll use communism as an excuse to suppress my race to cover for myself passing so no one will ever think to look at me that way. Right. Or I could see it being a so-called black man growing up in the South.

53:49 Maybe he realized communism was a major problem. And it wanted to destroy that. Right. I mean, because you could look at it both ways. You could look at it both ways because we can't get inside the man's head. No. But you can slice it both ways because really, he was really on the heels of communism. and that there's a great overlap between that and the civil rights movement. So, I don't know. But in this last clip, Leonard Patterson says he realized we were being used for cannon fodder. I think this is a lot of what people are saying now. And today, it's like Black Lives Matter is just using us as totally cannon fodder.

54:31 Yes, and that, and even Patrice Colors admitted to that, that black people, that means, let me get her correct in what she said. She says, Black cis men are not the sum of black people. So, even though they use us as their motivation for what they're doing, they don't want to change things for us. And let me just also say, Let me just reiterate that, because just want to make sure it's understood. Using black men as the reason for this refers to just, I don't know, maybe it's just, it doesn't need explaining. It's black men that are being killed. It's black men that are being arrested. It's always a black man. So, you know, and but yet you don't really get to be at the party.

55:16 Yeah, it's just black men to shut up, shut up and get killed or shut up and be muscled when we need you to be. Or, you know, it's always just be what you need, what we need you to be. And that's that's the new wave that they have going. And one last thing he said, he even mentioned himself, the enslavement of all people. This goes back to collectivism, right? Uh, that he really realized, like, hold on, we're headed back to slavery here. Um, just working for massive. Don't take my word for it. We actually have clips from uh Leonard Patterson in 16.

55:53 I am Leonard Patterson. When I was a young man, only 23 years old, I joined the Communist Party. I was a member of the National Executive Committee of the American Young Communist League. In 1930, I was the official communist candidate for election to New York State Assembly. I knew Gus Hall and other top-ranking American communists very well because I trained with them at the Lenin University in Moscow.

56:34 I joined the party because I honestly thought the communists were trying to help American Negroes. I broke away from the party when it became clear to me what the Commons were really up to was to use the Negro people in this country in a violent and bloody revolution aimed at the establishment of the American Soviet dictatorship. It was that simple, and it is still that simple today. Make no mistake about it.

57:10 What is happening in the United States right now under the banner of civil rights is exactly what has happened in China, in Cuba, in Algeria, and many other places around the world. We're like ringing bells. My head's exploding here. I was just looking at his Wikipedia page. It'll be in the show notes. Wow, this guy is fantastic. What a great guy. 1930s we're talking about. Yeah. Holy crap. This is great. All his papers are at Howard University. I think this was a great example of one of the sharecroppers' mentality that these communists are here to help us.

57:52 But when you really understand the ideology, you're always going to be losers. It's always going to be losers in every system. And take the man's word for it. It's not like he was, you know, I mean, we're hearing it right from the horse's mouth. So I think we talked about he would be considered the first wave in the recent event. The people on the ground getting it all riled up, bringing attention in, using propaganda to draw attention to the, you know, a case like

58:37 George Floyd. This would be Black Inc of the day, getting started. But he's first wave. He's first wave. He wouldn't be the second wave, which is the provocateur. No, no, no, no, the third wave. He's the criminal element. He's the first wave. We'll call him the proxy, the proxy. Right. So let's listen to how they would operate then and even how similar it sounds to now. When I was studying communist in Moscow. my instructors emphasized the importance of using honest grievances and popular slogans as a smokescreen to cover up the true nature of the revolution. We were taught how to use propaganda and arouse the emotion of the masses.

59:22 We learned how to set one group against the other and to make them hate each other. We learned the necessity of having martyrs. And we were even told how to create our own martyrs if they did not advise the result from the atmosphere of hatred. We were taught the importance of getting large masses of people into the street for marches and demonstrations. And finally, we were instructed in ways to take off riots and make them spread and to keep them going. When I returned to the United States, I was immediately given practical training.

1:00:01 I participated in so-called non-violent demonstrations that were deliberately calculated to irritate white people into violence against us. Wow. Here's what he basically said. We are trained Marxists. Wow. Wow, wow, I love that. That's good. What a gem. What a gem. What a gem. I hadn't heard of William L. Patterson. What a gem of a guy. He's written a lot of books. He said, use honest grievances and popular slogans. So check. Bam. Set one group against another with hatred.

1:00:44 Check. And how to kick off riots and get people to the streets. Check. Wow. Sounds like the same playbook to me. There is no step forward. Oh, man. It's beautiful. So now we have to question ourselves: is this playbook Hegelian or hegemony? And that you and the bubble around you are what Bardue calls the habitat. And the habitat provides us with a way to measure and gauge where you are in the network of culture. This network, in turn, which is made up of millions of little habitats bubbles, is the overall mechanism which decides the course of political, economic, and cultural action.

1:01:26 For example, if the collective habitats of a particular group is fashioned appropriately, then you can predict how that group will act towards another group. Say, by teaching one group to hate the word terrorist and then labeling another group terrorist, you can now control how both groups will act. This is hegemony. Yeah. And I said hegemony, excuse me, but this is a term used in cultural Marxism. So it really is the Helligalian dialectic, right? I mean, you play one side against the other for a desired outcome. Yes, you have problem reaction solution. Correct. Let me get back to Mr.

1:02:08 Leonard Patterson, and he's going to talk about being in the streets. In New York, about 1935, a Negro boy was reported killed by the owner of a store while in the act of stealing some merchandise. Communist Party headquarters decided to make a mortar to the boy. So we went right to work, putting out hand bills and holding up an avenue. And less than a half hour after we started, there was a race riding there on Principal Street. Complete with smashing wonders of white stoke looting and all the rest. I'm not speaking of things I read about, these are things I personally participated in.

1:02:49 We were taught how to use propaganda, how to arouse the emotion of the masses. We learned how to set one group against the other and to make them hate each other. We learned to be set to having martyrs. And we're even told how to create our own martyrs if they didn't automatically result from the atmosphere of hatred. I love this. So back then, they were just sitting around waiting for something to happen. Boom, martyr that kid. Okay. Same thing. Oh, you don't have to leave the house. You sit online. Look at Twitter. Right, but they were using the same tactics because hand bills are basically handouts. So instead of handouts, you have social media posts, right? You're getting the people motivated. So

1:03:33 the same exact tactics. I want to go back to hegemony right quick because there's one point I wanted to make. And this is not only with race. People have to be aware of when they're getting sucked in into a war. Yeah. Whether it's race, gender, or generational. These are the three fronts that these wars are being fought on right now. Our show specifically speaks really. really to race and kind of gender, but even with the bullet, I mean, you have the boomers and you have the millennials, you have that in the racial itself as well. There's also an overarching, and I think that's what's been done so expertly well throughout time, is you just boil it down to red and blue.

1:04:20 And then all these groups fit in red, and all these groups fit in blue. And that's the meta-con the meta-system up at top, which makes it a lot easier. And you can always break down and target your little groups underneath with their own little issue. Yeah, and then you could also divide it, as we've seen here, in one group. You can slice it and dice it in. To use your terms, you can say, okay, now we got black against white. Let's turn the blacks against the blacks. Yeah. And so now you got the man against the woman, right? You got the boomer against the millennial. I mean, that's what you're hearing now. That's right. That's right. You hear a lot of the boomers saying

1:04:59 when the boomers drop the ball. So really, identity politics is just a code word for Marxism. Correct. And then it starts to splinter out into its own specific forms. As we talked about, cultural Marxism, they're also a thing called black Marxism. Now, Black Marxism appeared just as struggles against racial capitalism, war, and patriarchy were actually ramping up in the early 1980s. And the global economic slump of the 70s had opened the door for an expansion of neoliberal policies already being implemented in the global south.

1:05:36 So the economic crisis also opened the door for privatizing public assets, for the devolution of the welfare state, for prison expansion, remaking tax codes to benefit the rich. And again, this is not a Republican strategy. This is, you know, it's like every party, every ruling party in the United States from the 1970s on consistently supported neoliberal policies. And in fact, the triumph of racial liberalism, it could be said, help usher in the rise of mass incarceration and the deepening criminalization of urban space in the post-World War II period. Now, we know now,

1:06:17 right, that liberals also back an expanding criminal justice system, you know, ostensibly to protect African Americans from mob violence, but and to address what was perceived to be a rising crime rates following desegregation. But as a consequence, liberals, not just conservatives, helped create the criminal justice architecture that fueled mass incarceration. This is the world that young activists inherit, the ones that we're dealing with today. They inherit this world. Wow. I've heard you may mention before, and like in the 1980s, the Democratic Party became more of a

1:06:59 party for business as well. Maybe not the big businesses. I would say the 90s with the Clintons. The Clintons decided to fundraise instead of from unions necessarily. Really went, they went all corporatists. And that, of course, is when China also came into play. Another fine Marxist/slash communist partner in this whole game who has already been mentioned in an earlier clip. So I think this is where the special brand of Marxism called black Marxism had to come about because you start seeing this beef between the far left and liberals, right? Which is right of the far left. They wanted to become more corporate focused

1:07:46 party. And now they're having to come back around. That's why you see a Joe Biden that was in the 70s and 80s that went away from compassion and rehabilitation to lock them up. I don't care how they got there. Bring them to health. Bring him to heal. Now they've been bent to the will of the Marxists saying, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You still need us. Don't ever get it twisted. Right. You can't do it without us. And here's how we do it. Watch this. Right. And the corporations are activating the Marxists. I want to make this point clear. That is so beautiful. The capitalist corporations are activating and actively funding the Marxists.

1:08:26 Yes. This is genius. This is so smart. Because this is corporate warfare. Even though it's fought on the streets, it's corporate warfare. Because what represents capitalism? White men, specifically old white men. So if you can get old white men to be shamed and removed from the boards of directors, you can get money. You can load them up. You can load up the board of directors with whoever you want to. want to be seen as not. Wow, that is something Kanye said yesterday during his rally. And I didn't even hear it. Yeah, he said, I'm not on the board of the gap. I'm not on the board of Puma. We're changing that.

1:09:08 That's got to happen now, right now. That's what he said yesterday. Right. Interesting. So, this is what we're witnessing a. I think this is the response, not to get too far ahead of myself. You know, we're in a trade war right now. Yeah. I think this is the response to the trade war, but instead of being fought in the boardrooms and negotiating rooms, they're fighting on the streets of America. Wow. I know that maybe sounded far-fetched, but that's what I truly believe. I got to get my head around that, but I like it. But there's that's very interesting. Okay, I got to think about that one. That's a good one, Moe.

1:09:51 Keep that in mind. Think about it. But we'll get to another expert on the topic of Black Marxism. This is Bill Fletcher Jr., and he's also a professor as well. Particularly, for example, on the issue of race and what has been always called the national and colonial questions. You had, I believe, a profound influence on Marxism from Africa, from Latin America, and from Asia. What has always irritated me in the Black freedom movement is that whenever I encounter someone who says, Well, Marxism is a white man's theory, and

1:10:30 that's like absurd. Because when you look at the contributions that have been made to Marxism by people of African descent, it's just simply amazing. I look at Marxism as a theory of emancipation, it is a framework for analyzing history, analyzing society, and a method of thinking. Now, one of the problems that we've faced was the rise of postmodernism, which I would argue has been a cancer in the left

1:11:07 and has taken people, beginning with in some ways accurate critiques of economic determinism in Marxism. It then has taken people in this direction of almost romanticizing defeat. Wow. So, one point he made was: white Marxism is seen to be a white man's theory. Yeah. But he, in black Marxism, they want to say that, no, no, no, no, no. Plenty of black people have, quote-unquote, black people, have contributed to Marxism, and we need our credit.

1:11:50 Another tenet of black Marxism is that the white workers can't relate to the grievances that the black workers have different grievances because of their sheer, but just cause of their sheer whiteness, right? Oh, I'm sorry. You can't do that. It's impossible, yes. Yeah, you can't identify with my struggle, right? Because it's different. So that's why you have this separation even within Marxism of black Marxism. This is whole thing. It's a whole separate thing. I just want to make people think about it.

1:12:30 But it doesn't really differ other than it's the same basic ideology, just with different issues at hand. It's just the Hegelian dividing. Yes. It's a division of the division, of course. Of course. So we can, if we ever need to, we can pit these two against each other inside our own house. Yeah. Perfect. Yeah. And that's what you have now. Okay, of course. I understand. So you then you have two parties. You can control them both because you know the outcome and therefore you control the whole bit because it's all yours to start with. Right, because you have Black Lives Matter or Black Inc. They say that you have Black Inc dragging the white left even farther left. And we're already and we're already seeing this on the streets where there's confusion and it's being played against each other.

1:13:14 This is great. This is very, very good. So we have to understand all the players in the game. Now, so I first mentioned about the straight, the cisgendered black male. Yeah. And we've seen a so-called member of Black Lives Matter rise up named Hawk Newsome. Have you seen Hulk Newsome before, Adam? No, I don't think so. Where would I have seen him? Okay, Hawk Newsome, you've seen him. I was assumed, but you probably just didn't recognize him. Tall black guy, wears black shades, ball. bald head. And the funny thing is, he kind of looks like Hawk from Spencer for Hire.

1:13:55 Oh, really? No. We just talked about him on the last. Yeah. We spoke about him on the last show. When I looked at him again, I was like, hold on. He is almost like this. Yeah, no, I've seen this guy. I know who he is. I'm looking at him now, Hawk Newsome. Okay, yes, I got it. I know he is. His name's Hawk. The other game, the guy's named Hawk. Just question May. That's some programming right there, huh? I would think so. But let's get into the clip of Hawk Newsom on reform and law enforcement in the black community. Protesters in American streets are calling for the country to address our racial tensions, both current inequities and contentious symbols of America's past.

1:14:39 But how to do that is a key question. For one perspective, let's begin with Hawk Newsome, head of Black Lives Matter, Greater New York. Mr. Newsom, you created quite a stir this week when you spoke with my colleague Martha McCallum. Let's take a look at what you said. If this country doesn't give us what we want, then we will burn down this system and replace it. All right. And I could be speaking figuratively. I could be speaking literally. It's a matter of interpretation. Afterward, President Trump tweeted his reaction to your statement. This is treason, sedition, insurrection. Question, sir.

1:15:20 What do you accomplish with rhetoric like that? How do you think that helps? Well, here's the thing: a lot of people don't understand how the streets or the people feel. I have an in-depth knowledge of this. I live in the Bronx. I live amongst the people. So it's not like I'm sitting here pushing a button or anyone can push that button. But if people keep seeing these images of their babies, of their relatives, of black people being killed, they keep dealing with financial inequality and inequity. And it reaches a point of frustration, then people lash out. This is a matter of inevitability that people will lash out because they're feeling like they're backed into a corner.

1:16:08 Okay, yes, I remember this quote. I remember seeing it thinking, huh, got to look into that and something else happened. But from his Wikipedia page, so the Hawk similarity doesn't end there as a cast member on Cop Watch America. So he played this. Which basically used the no, he played the, it was actually a reality type series where they did what the black, what they did with the Black Panthers did. They would basically go out and record cops interaction. But here we have a statement from

1:16:49 the managing director of Black Lives Matter Global Network. So that is Black Inc. says, Hank Newsome has no relation to the Black Lives Matter Global Network, founded by Patrice Cullers, Alicia Garza, and Opal Tometi, and is not the president of BLM or any of its chapters. So he's fake Black Inc. Yeah. And they use this as an opportunity to demonize him. And then he goes in and says, we're going to burn it down. We're horrible. Right. But that's bad for business because they're in the same position that Rosa Parks has to be in. We can't be close to the violence. They have to say non-violence because it's bad for the brand.

1:17:31 Right. That's why we didn't see him anymore. He's gone. He's gone. He's gone. I haven't seen him since. Actually, this was done on Fox News. So that was the only place you could find that would even bring him on to let him clarify his statement. And don't underestimate. Don't underestimate that as a coincidence. Oh, it's not. I mean, he's a knockoff. He's a knockoff Black Lives Matter. So they're like, no, we only want the real McCoy. But Fox News use him because they can't. They can use him to spin their narrative, right? Which was horrible because he spun the wrong narrative.

1:18:07 So I'm just saying that groups everywhere. It's a two-for-one. You get to call him out as fake black ink, and then they also could demonize this black male as being violent. Yes. Fantastic. What a great, great decoy. And he's gone. They probably locked him in the freezer. Out of here. So I guess we can get into 2.1 with Mr. Newsom. But just two years ago, back in 2018, you gave a TED talk in which you preached nonviolence and talked about how during the riots in Baltimore over the death of Freddie Gray, you tried to stop the violence. I'm going to play a clip. clip of you from just two years ago. Do you have love in your hearts?

1:18:50 Do you love your neighbor? Do you believe in the Bible, the Quran? Do you believe in your religious teachings? Because I guarantee you, all of them tell you to help your neighbor. That man wouldn't have talked about working to burn down the system. What happened? Let me tell you what happened. Let me answer that one for Mr. Hawk Newsome. One, this guy, after the whole first round, 2015, 2016, he started meeting with Trump supporters and he was on stage and doing TED Talks and taking the middle-of-the-road stance.

1:19:38 But then after George Floyd, he was radicalized. Yeah. New gig, new gig, new script. All right, let's go. And we saw this same radicalizations with Nick Cannon, which we're going to save for a later date to talk about on this show. But can we get a cancellation cancel cannon for Nick Cannon, please? Got it. And canceled? He is. Yeah, he's out of here. What happens here is when they start to radicalize people with this media coverage, it gives black people a false sense of security that they can open up and tell you everything that's on their mind without any

1:20:25 repercussions. Right. This is what happened to Hawk. The feeling got good to him. He's like, yeah, we'll burn it down. And they're like, no, no, no, no, no. That's not going to work. No. You went too far on that with Hawk and they got him up out of here. That's interesting because I was looking at the, it's a TEDx. So, you know, not really a TED Talk, but a TEDx. Right. Build is the same. 2018. And he's there. He's a local chapter, Black Lives Matter. So I'm sure he was in the group. I mean, you're totally right. He was definitely. He may have still only been claiming at the time, but they cut him off real quick after that Burning Down stuff. Yeah, they let him speak on their behalf because he kind of was good for it. Good to see you.

1:21:09 He filled that gap. They needed like, where's your black male leadership at? And he's like, oh, yeah. But he wasn't really affiliated. So they could easily cut ties with him anytime they want to. Now we're going to see, who is this guy speaking for, Fox? I lost his name. Wallace. I think it's Chris Wallace. Okay, Chris Wallace. Now, Chris Wallace is going to use a very familiar tactic that I've talked about on this show. It's called the MLK Trigger. There has been a split in the civil rights movement, the African-American community, for at least a half a century now between Malcolm X and By Any Means Necessary on the one hand and Martin Luther King and working through the system on the other.

1:21:54 Didn't MLK get a lot more done in a practical sense? I believe that Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was a brilliant strategist, especially in the form of media savvy. But what we have to understand is black people do not trust politicians. They don't trust black, they don't trust Democrats. They don't trust Republicans. Black people also have a problem with the government overstepping its bounds. The biggest manifestation of that is policing. So if you want to make government smaller, then you address police on that scale.

1:22:33 If you talk about the rift in the civil rights movement, our elders, a lot of them have been bought off by the Democratic establishment, right? And they pretty much go with the flow of the Democratic establishment. Wow. All right. Well, he's speaking some truth there. He is. And that's what probably got more counsel than the Burn It Down statement. That's not really the talking point, Hawk. Right, because at the end of the day, the goal is to get black people out and vote. And so you can't be out here saying all the Democrats were bought off. Wrong, wrong, wrong. And I think when he's talking about the Democratic elders being bought off

1:23:15 by the black elders being bought off by Democrats, he's referring to Malcolm X comments about Martin Luther King and him being bought off by the liberals. And this is the trigger I'm talking about. Well, isn't it more, you know, MLK got more done? You know, you don't want to arm yourself and protect yourself. He was peaceful. I hope people are seeing now how the trigger is. This is why MLK, the product, can never go away. And this is why they'll protect him to the end of his communist socialist affiliations because he's way more valuable

1:23:57 to controlling black people. How they pitted MLK against Malcolm X to say, oh, you know, MLK was so much. Don't you just want a cup of coffee at the Woolworths counter? You don't want a gun, do you? You don't want a gun to protect yourself. This is what I'm talking about. This is the MLK. I haven't found a greater example of them using the trigger to make black people docile than this. Exactly. Well, you asked for it, Mr. Curry. And to speak to the black people arming themselves and compare MLK to Malcolm X, let's listen to a throwback clip from 43 with Rustin and MLK.

1:24:41 My man Rustin, here we go. What do you want? I'm here to see Dr. King. Nelson, who is it? Good evening, Mrs. King. Bye, Rustin. Bye, Rustin. Excuse me. Well, if Byrd Rustin is here, then I guess we've arrived. Dr. King. You're straying from the principles of nonviolence. You know what? You're the leader of a nonviolent movement. And yet you have guns in your home and these armed guards outside. Let me ask you something, Mr. Rustin. Would you risk your family for a tactic?

1:25:25 Nonviolence is not a tactic. Would you risk your family? Non-violence is an ideology. I have an obligation to protect my family. I'm the defendant. Well, the guns don't make me feel any safer. Oh, that's great. Yeah, so there he is. That was the real power came in with Rustin. Hey, you heard MLK. Of course, this is from a movie called Boycott, but it's a biographical pic. So it should be accurate. And of course, readings, things I read support this notion. But I want to point out to people: you see the LGBT and the women teaming up against.

1:26:11 Now, MLK is the leader of this by the narrative. He's the leader of this whole civil rights movement. And they're questioning his tactics and his decision making. He's like, oh, I don't, how does a gun not make you feel safer? I don't know how to get my head around that one. Right. But we got help to say that Bayar Rustin was a clear and open communist. Well, no, no. Not only that, but and this is why I brought it up earlier, but also, well, at the time, every LGBTQIAPK had to be kind of quiet about it. And he wasn't that quiet about it. Now, in 2000,

1:26:56 I think it was 13, Obama honored Bayard Rustin posthumously. Was it posthumously? I guess. Surprise, surprise. Well, but it was with the Presidential Medal of Freedom. But in 2019, Congress awarded him for, well, here's the headline: honoring an unsung LGBTQ hero. So Bayard Rustin also got honored for his sexuality posthumously. Just recently, though, which I thought was kind of interesting. They're probably trying to bring him back to the forefront as another control mechanism.

1:27:36 So, I mean, they have to, these are their heroes. And he's perfect. He's perfect as the, you know, to use just like for African Americans. Now we can use it with LGBTQ because he was actually the guy side by side. Beautiful. Well, leading. Well, man, you're going to come as we move through the future. You're going to be hearing more and more. Well, he led King. Yep. There you go. Because you're going to have the training of the cisgender male. It's like he was nothing without Bayard leading him. And then that's where we're headed. You're so right. Sadly. Can I get a trigger warning, please, if you can dig it up? Because this next set of clips might trigger somebody out there.

1:28:20 Trigger warning. Trigger warning. All right, here it is, ladies and gentlemen. This is Bad. Yes. Trigger warning has been activated. I had to play this because of who speaks next in these next to the clips. We have Gavin McInnes. Oh, okay. You said, oh, I understand the trigger warning now. Yes, gotcha. Proud boys. A member of the Proud Boys and suspected racist. But he speaks on Black Lives Matters and them having daddy issues. So why do the two lesbians who started Black Lives Matter, why do they love him so much?

1:29:01 Because they hate their dads too. Now, I'm going to be sort of jumping all over the place here, but before I get to them, let me just explain daddy issues. I think we all know what they are, but it's a natural thing. I have it. We've been getting better over time, right? 45-degree angle. And so inevitably, most of us are looking into a father who busted his ass, worked way harder than we did. My dad's been in thousands of fights. I've been in like 15. And as a young man, I would look into his eyes and see disappointment. I hadn't accomplished anything. I wore a communism pin. I told him he didn't know about the working man. Fuck you, dad. That's what these riots are. That's what you're seeing on the street. Now, they're pulling down the statues and people go, that was an abolitionist.

1:29:40 They don't give a shit about what the statue is. They give a shit about patriarchy, masculinity, legacy, because they know they won't have one. And they know their dad did, and they're pissed off about it. So what do you do when someone makes you feel like a loser, makes you feel disappointing? You trivialize them. Oh, I'm shocked, shocked a black man like you, Mo, would even play a clip from this horrible, racist, misogynist, a-haul. And my retort to that is: pay attention to everything, and the truth will reveal itself. That's right. It's usually when something is being excoriated in the mainstream, it's always worth a listen. You know, what do you got to lose? You might learn something.

1:30:25 You can learn anything for anybody. Either it's what to do or what not to do. So I don't blind myself or deafen myself to voices just because they're not acceptable. Okay, boomer. All right. So he digs up a little piece of information that has been scrubbed from the internet about Black Lives Matter in this next clip. Black Lives Matter has been hiding this because people are ever catching on. But they said that they are for radical social intervention. They also said, I don't know if I included this. Yeah, they've removed this from their site, but you can find it on Wayback.

1:31:07 We are committed to disrupting the Western prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and villages. What happens when your dad kicks you out? You say, no, this is my family. And what happens when you feel insecure about that and wonder if it's as good as having a dad? You enforce it. And you say, no, let's destroy the family. Destroy the father. So no one can kick me out of my house for being a black lesbian teen. This is all totally selfish. They collectively care for one another, especially our children, the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable. Yep. Mothers, parents, and children. Yep. I'm going to say it again. Mothers.

1:31:49 Mothers, parents, and children. It doesn't have to be a man in that. No, disrupting the Western family structure, aka male leadership. That's their goal. That's key. Yeah. That's key. That's whenever I hear this. That's even, well, I wouldn't even say even, but Robin D'Angelo talks about the heteronormative patriarchy that is a big part of the problem. And she had a lot of problems with her father and family growing up. And as I stay on this show, you know, almost to, you know, a fault, it starts with us.

1:32:31 It starts with us. Right. It is coming for you next. Fill in the blank, whoever it is. It starts with black people or quote-unquote so-called black people. But it's just a test run. It's just the beta run. It's like, oh, yeah, we could take the family out, take the father out to home. And we were successful at that. All right. Let's take the fathers out of society, period. Wow, man. We'll be like the Uyghurs. I wish we had to talk about them on another show. I can't do it. I can't do this with you, Adam. I can't. It's like rabbit hole at the rabbit hole at the rabbit hole. I'm like, Jesus Christ. I know. You got to come up. I dig a lot of holes and then I'd look at it and go, hmm, I'm going to toss this to Mo.

1:33:15 Right. And it's like, God. Yeah, it's bad. I know. I'll tease here, which I know you hate and some people love. Uyghurs and Weave. That'll be a coming topic. Oh, no. Nice. But since you brought me to China, I mean, hold on, hold on. I beweave. I'm excited to hear that in the future. Since you took me here, I mean, you alley me right to China. I'll oop it on in with what is the cultural revolution. To those of us who have never been through it, China's cultural revolution is just a social political movement that took place in China from 1966 to 1976.

1:34:01 To many of those who have lived through it, it was probably the worst nightmare of their lives. On the surface, it was to remove all capitalistic elements from China and to remove all traditional and cultural elements from Chinese society. But what this movement really was, was Mao Zedong's selfish attempt to get rid of his rivals in government and to revive his image to the Chinese people after it was soiled due to his campaign called the Great Leap Forward. Now, that campaign ended up creating the largest famine in human history and killing somewhere between 18 and 43 million people.

1:34:43 I think this is from that guy who did the entire Chinese history in 30 minutes on YouTube. Well, anti-Dan China. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's it. That's great. Everyone should watch that. It's really good. As he just said, they started trying to remove capitalism and then all of history. What are we seeing? What are we seeing now in the streets? Yeah, well, they removed it more imperialism, wasn't it? Not capitalism, imperialism. No, they said he said capitalism. They wanted to remove all capitalism. Oh, right. Okay. Yes. Yeah. So of course we're seeing the exact same thing. Absolutely. So it makes you question, only question, where is the source of this coming from?

1:35:22 All this kicked up right after China took a major L in the trade war to Trump. Oh, yeah. Now, it also all happens in an election year. So there are lots of agendas that have confluence and come together, of course. Right. But we know we speculate who controls the media. And we had wall-to-wall coverage all the way down to Sesame Street covering this situation. Oh, no, well, no, no, of course. I mean, the mainstream media appears to be controlled by China directly or indirectly, certainly indirectly with the pharmaceutical industry, which China certainly controls with advertising.

1:36:03 And to add to that, we've had the director of the FBI, the Attorney General, and the Secretary of State, and of course, the President all go on a massive offensive in the past week alone about China, what they're doing, where they've infiltrated, calling out collaborators such as Apple, Microsoft, Cisco, Yahoo, etc., and not a peep on the mainstream media. So, yes, absolutely. Well, how people to just listen out in this next clip for the parallels that went on with the Cultural Revolution and what's going on now. Now, the Cultural Revolution started off with a campaign to cast away the four olds.

1:36:46 The four olds are old ideas, old culture, old customs, and old habits. Basically, this manifested in old books and art being destroyed, museums ransacked, and streets renamed with new revolutionary names and adorned with pictures and sayings of Mao Zedong everywhere. Mao Zedong wanted to eradicate religion first and foremost because without a belief system, the Chinese people are more easily swayed to believe basically whatever he tells them. Many famous temples, really old traditional shrines, and other historical heritage sites were destroyed. Today, when you go to China, most of the temples and the old historic sites that you see were actually recreated because most of them were all destroyed during the Cultural Revolution or the period before that.

1:37:32 Do you see the parallels here? Renaming streets, Black Lives Plaza. Do you see destroying of history? Now it was under the guise of taking down Confederate statues, which I have no issue with taking them down. I stated previously before. I mean, previously that I have no issue with taking them down. I have an issue with the manner in which they're being taken down. Well, of course, it's not a democratic process. It's stupid. It's not vandalism. But what happens is it's snowballed to all of histories. And they call it the four olds, right? You know, they're going to get rid of. I think America's going through the one old, old white men.

1:38:14 If you get rid of old white men, everything will work. It'll be fixed. Yeah, because the black men won't emulate the old white men and then they'll fall in line. And you solve all your problems that way. In regards to the Great Leap Forward and China, this is what Apple CEO Tim Cook said just recently in regards to Black Lives Matter. So it is today. We're at an important moment in our history. A time when progress, which has been far too slow, feels suddenly poised to move forward in a great leap.

1:38:50 Each of us has a role to play in making sure we rise to the occasion. I mean, Tim Cook might as well just work for the Chinese Communist Party. He certainly has a very deep relationship with Apple has a very deep relationship with him. Those words are not used by accident at all. And the problem with the Cultural Revolution was bad actors. There was no clear definition of a bad actor. It was just kind of like now, right? You can just get called and canceled for anything. This person said this 10 years ago. And then, you know, that's why you have a lot of people coming out and apologizing, you know, preemptively.

1:39:33 It's like, I'm sorry. I don't know. I don't know what I did, but I'm sorry I did it. Yes. And here's my $100 million fund. Whatever you do, don't look over here. Please. We didn't do anything. That's the brand. You get the logo, right? You get the black ink stamp. And it's like, oh, we're good. I have a black ink pass. I'm above canceling. Hey, we should create those as a premium for donors. What, black ink passes? Yeah. Special pass. Yeah, why not? We can make our own black ink pass. Let me see. That domain name I can get. I'm sure. Was it a punch card? We need to make it like a punch card. No, barcode. Barcode will be fine. Don't worry. Barcode will. I'm just saying for every transgression you get punched off.

1:40:17 It's like, okay, all right. So that way they have to renew. Yeah, you got to get it. Yeah, you had to renew. We got out of punches. It's like a ski lift pass. Okay, yeah, exactly. That's beautiful. So I think it's a good point. You know, we talk about value. And I found this next clip. And oftentimes, people want to say, how do I tell people about the show? What is MoFax with Adam Curry? How do I tell you guys what you talk about? Well, this next clip, Adam, I think it describes us and what we do to a T, and it's from one of your favorite people.

1:40:56 First, the white man and the black man have to be able to sit down at the same table. The white man has to feel free to speak his mind without hurting the feelings of that Negro. And the so-called Negro has to feel free to speak his mind without hurting the feelings of the white man. Then they can bring the issues that are under the rug out on top of the table and take an intelligent approach to get the problem solved. That's the only way that they'll ever do it. Wow. That's fantastic. Now, wouldn't that sum? Oh, my God. That sums it up. And if only we had known this much earlier. How old is this clip? Well, this is what, from like 60 something? That's 64, 60, 63, 64, I want to say.

1:41:39 It was in a compilation of Malcolm X clips. I mean, I was going through it looking for something else. And that just, I was like, holy crap, that explains exactly what we're doing. I'm coming to the table. You're coming to the table. We put a fence to the side. Yeah. And we get right to the problems. And apparently, we're going to save the world. I love this. It's a tough job, ladies and gentlemen. We've taken it upon ourselves, but we couldn't do it without you. And this is what Mo was talking about with value for value. And actually, this is where I want to just slip in the idea of, you know, we have capitalism, you've got communism or Marxism.

1:42:18 In the media landscape, I think we're seeing a, I call it tribalism or media tribalism, but it really is a form of an economy that has that has shown that you don't, even if you, if you have talent and you want to do something, you don't have to be part of the system. This is what's changed and why these systems don't work the same anymore or are vulnerable because we've created models like the value for value model, which means we don't need to have massive scale. We just need to be supported by our tribe, by our community. And that's exactly what is happening with MoFax with Adam Curry as we have assigned everybody the role of producership.

1:43:00 And without a doubt, Mo, you give me way too much credit, but a lot of the rabbit holes I fall into and then slide over to your side. Of course, they come from producers, people who are interactively involved in the programming of this podcast. And the only way we can do it. it and sustain it is with support and financial support. And we love people who do that. They are often our executive or associate executive producers, but everyone is a producer who helps out in any way you can. But we are very appreciative of the support that we receive. Now, this is really for the past two weeks.

1:43:39 So it's a little bit longer, but the support is overwhelming. And it's just fantastic to read all these notes, which we're going to share now. And we start with Joe Travis, who supports the show with $500, which is really appreciated and incredibly nice. And here's what he says: Mo, how you doing? Just want to let you know, I'm not racist. I even had a black friend 30 years ago in college. Yes, this is a new fun donation note I've noticed. Seriously, though, he says, You and Adam are doing a fantastic job. I've learned a lot, and the podcast has really made me think. I got my college-age son into No Agenda about two years ago, and I'm getting him started on MoFax now.

1:44:20 It's immunized him against the liberal indoctrination at school. Yes. And thank you, Joe, as he says, Thanks. Thanks, Joe. That's very cool. That's another thing that's happening right now is with these school closures and kids being threatened to be on Zoom for five hours a day. Parents are now creating pods of homeschooling, and they're hiring teachers to come in to, you know, like they got maybe six or eight kids. It's, you know, ingenuity is fantastic. And so I can see hopefully a different curriculum, maybe even appearing from this Malcolm X approved podcast. It's right there. He said it right there. It's in the clip. He said it right there. I don't care what you say.

1:45:03 Kane Butler comes in right after Joe with $300 and says, This is only a fraction of the value we have received from listening to dozens of your episodes since first discovering MoFax in May. We'd like to contribute to the GBG jar, the Give Blacks guns. Can we get some Mo Karma for our country right now? Well, of course we got some of that for you. You've got Mo Karma. I would be interested to hear your perspective on Rhodesia/slash Zimbabwe as well as China's involvement. Well, we touched on China today. Remember, weapon safety rules and rock out with your Glockout.

1:45:42 Thank you, Kane. And so both Joe and Kane are obviously, for obvious reasons, they are executive producers. As is Sir H from San Francisco, $200 says in the morning, I just caught up with all the episodes, and this is $5 per episode. I wish I could pay a lot more, but everyone at my company got a 20% pay cut thanks to the Lona. Maybe he meant Rona, but says Lona. Wusa at the end will be greatly appreciated. Aichi Kichigawa, Sir H from San Francisco. We can give you a Wusa right now, man. I'd be happy to do that. Amy Eckman comes after Sir H with the $200 as well and says, as an avid listener of No Agenda, I discovered MoFax.

1:46:27 I love it. I've learned so much about our country's cultural history that has been lost or rewritten or hidden, I would add. Thanks to you two gentlemen, I am Mo Woke. There's a t-shirt. So many premiums for this show. Keep up the great work, Amy, from Healdsburg, California. And I did want to say that just before we started recording today, I finalized the archive page. Archive.mofax.com has every single episode, almost every single show notes page. We didn't do show notes early in the show, like we're doing them now with the clips, etc. But you go to archive.mofax.com and you can get everything going back to episode one. And it's not a bad idea to start with episode one to follow the entire journey.

1:47:11 Eric Halbritter, $143. And he says, I say GD, which maybe means good day. Great content. A hundo for the effort. 43 for the next episode. The comment about less than 20% black does not a BLM protest make really resonated. Some white, woke, privileged family has been lecturing me and the Mrs. about our place. I'm an old white guy. Mrs. is mixed Japanese American. So appreciative of sharing these conversations and viewpoints. Bonus, I'm all for armed everyone. Thankful for the same nuanced conversation in the morning. Thank you for your courage, love and light, Sir Eric's Naked. And thank you very much, Eric. It is appreciated.

1:47:53 Mad Mike of the Traveling Spaders, 12643. Moe, been listening for a few weeks, came from a Rogan No Agenda MoFax. This is part of the tribal media concept. There's overlap, and we fly between all this. Ronamo. It's Ronamo, exactly. Oh, my God. Ronamo. Oh, man. I can't write that down. Ronamo. This is very Ronamo. Holy crap. That's a good one. GBG, Give Blacks Guns, is spot on. Best episode yet. You've really made an impression and gotten a reformed, conservative, libertarian to open up his older eyes. Appreciate your view. I can see my perspectives adjusting themselves, spreading the word, but folks have to wait to find the truth.

1:48:37 It's true. Unfortunately, most are uncomfortable stepping outside their bubbles, but still passing the word. Adam, you're not awful. Hey, the white guy gets a compliment there. Excellent. Then we go to Century City View with a rather long note. 12345, one of our favorite donation amounts. And let's see what he says here. Dear Mo and Adam, I enjoyed your episode on Tupac. I wrote two books on the murders of Tupac and Biggie with former LAPD detective Russell Poole. He was the lead detective on the cases. He was also the whistleblower that gave us the Rampart scandal.

1:49:17 Oh, wow. Police were involved in the murders, and police were and still are involved in the cover-ups. Russell and I, second generation, a second-year investigation in our second-year investigation, detailed in Chaos Merchants, documented and footnoted every fact. This was a work in process at the time of Russell Poole's death in a meeting with the sheriffs, attempting to get the murders reopened and solved. Holy crap. This is very interesting. And what? So is that the name of the book? It is. It is very interesting. Just consider this topic. I've always found it, you know, one of my favorite things to research and discuss.

1:49:57 Prior to getting involved in all these investigations, I made a documentary about the Mexican cartels called American Federale. After the books are written, I made a documentary on Suge Night and then one on the murders called Battle for Compton. I made the trip to Minnesota while the buildings were burning in the aftermath of the George Floyd murder. I got to see an intelligence operation unfold in real time. During our protest, during our protest march, documented in the film The People Have the Power, a federal agent magically appeared to lead us into the freeway between police, where we were surrounded on all sides. We were suckered into this march by a crisis actor that told us white supremacists were shooting protesters.

1:50:38 I would like to know if anyone recognizes this actor. You can see him in this film. I believe he's either police officer or military. The entire day was very strange. Wow, that's quite a lot of info there. And certainly, if we hear anything, we'll send it on to you or bring it up. And thank you for supporting me. And I will say, I might be reaching out to him for my highly anticipated hip-hop episode series because I got some questions for him. Very nice. Okay. Excellent. Excellent. Now we go to

1:51:15 KR with 101, black male professional scientist and software engineer, unaffiliated political moderate, currently in California, but from Georgia, North Carolina. Last month, I had job interviews with two of the biggest policy think tanks in D.C., Heritage and AEI. I hope to be able to influence them to design fact-based, non-partisan policies for the federal government and presidents. Hopefully, they'll hire me. Heritage is highly influential, indeed. They told Trump who to hire when he entered the White House. Plus, being in D.C. during this election should be entertaining. Well, KR, that is, first of all, great to hear that.

1:51:53 We would like to have MoFax with Adam Curry entered into the Congressional Library as a fact-based history of the country. And anything else you need us to do, we'll help out with. One thing: can you give him a Mo Karma for the job? Yeah, no kidding. That is a good gig, man. Definitely. You've got. Mo Karma. Brett Harding, $100. Thought you might appreciate this. Big fan of the show. Soon to contribute the Road to Hell picture. Do you have a See A Road to Hell picture? I didn't. Yeah, he actually has sent me this picture before he donated. I couldn't find a note for him, but this picture is great. I'll forward it to you. It has the

1:52:40 representation of the Black Lives Matter Plaza. And instead of Black Lives Matter in yellow letters, it says Road to Hell. And then it has at the end of the day. Oh, yes, I saw that. Yeah, that was hilarious. It's actually my screensaver now. Oh, very nice. Explain what's at the end of the road because I stepped on it. It's hell. It's hell. It's purgatory. Then we have our first associate executive producer, Art von der Wilp. Sounds Dutch to me. Mo Adam, I listened to the GBG episode in my shed reloading for my old Murica Walnut and Steel. Oh, he's got in the gun club. Dutch ranges have finally opened after a four-month closing.

1:53:24 Another great three hours of very interesting insights. Well worth a GBAAWASA donation, which is give blacks and Adam's white ass some ammo donation. Double tap 30 ought six. Keep up the good work. I like that, Art. Thank you very much. One of the few people in the Netherlands that would be licensed to have a firearm. Of course, let's listen to MoFax. What do you think? Meredith Madden, $58 and says, I was particularly inspired by the episode GBG. And I've said gun control is racist for the longest time. I can't afford to give enough to buy you a gun, but I can buy you some bullets or two memberships to the NAAGA at $29 per person per year.

1:54:07 Thank you. We'll sign up right away. I can be the honorary shadow. Love the show, y'all. Keep it up. As a criminal defense attorney, racism and biased policing are common topics discussed with my friends. That conversation is recently dominated by socialists, a la Black Lives Matter, Inc., org, as we say now, Black Inc. So I'm glad to hear another perspective on the MoFax show. As for the alternative to the No Agenda Peerage Committee, what about your own fraternity or maybe even your own boule? I think that would be fun. The merch ideas are already running through my head. It says Meredith, Dame Meredith, the Fair Order of Anonymous from NA Peerage. Okay, Mo, we've danced around this topic for a while, which is

1:54:49 basically to have levels of achievement in producership where you can just purely based on your own accounting. When we come to a certain number, then you can become a, well, No Agenda has a knight or a dame of the roundtable. You've been thinking about this. What do you have? Well, hearing that Malcolm X clip, speaking of bringing them to the table, I don't want to step on the No Agenda format, but I mean, it's kind of like bring them to the table. I mean, we need to grain that into our table. Yep. Okay. Yes. So we need to bring people to the table.

1:55:31 The limits, I don't know how we set those up as far as I think. When we bring them to the table, we call it at the table. We got to have, you tell me. Yeah, we can listen to that clip again because I think we need to center around that. I mean, because that's what this is the conversation, and when people say the conversation, this is what needs to happen. People set aside their emotions and have an open conversation. And I think everybody has been contributing to this show as producers are all for that. The white man and the black man have to be able to sit down at the same table. The white man has to feel free to speak his mind without hurting the feelings of that Negro.

1:56:12 And the so-called Negro has to feel free to speak his mind without hurting the feelings of the white man. Then they can bring the issues that are under the rug out on top of the table and take an intelligent approach to get the problem solved. That's the only way that they'll ever do it. Okay. I'm going to think about this too. Yeah. So I'm thinking, seated at the table, but like I said, we're going to be able to do it. Seated at the table. All right. Well, we're working on it, Meredith. Thanks for kicking that off. Michael Bradbury at Double Nickels on the Dime, 5510 in the morning. No, before you continue, we do have a fraternity. It's called the School of Fish. Okay. We're swimming, baby. We're swimming. All right. Well, that's another good one.

1:56:51 I like that too. You can do a lot with fish. All right. In the morning, Mo and Adams says, Michael Bradbury, after hearing Adam and John mention the show on Noah Gen, I finally started listening a few weeks ago and have been going back through the older episodes when I can. The analysis on each show is fantastic, so I had to send some value away. Keep up the great work. And if it's not too much trouble, could I get to Mo Karma? Yes, you can, Mike. Thank you very much for your support. You've got Mo Karma. Brian Rogers, 55. Good day to you, both Mo and Adam. Please accept this donation for supplying tremendous content that is seemingly unavailable on any other platform.

1:57:29 As a suburban white kid who grew up good friends with several black kids, too, I was put on to some aspects of black culture, namely rap music and sneaker culture. Your podcast has had a profound impact on the way I used to differentiate between being white and black. With the help of the podfather, you've shown me that there are a lot more similarities between white people and black people, especially in the way we think than what the mainstream media would have us believe. Exactly. Really groundbreaking work. Can I please have a Wusah with a dash of Mo Karma? Woosa! You've got Mo Karma. Rochelle Stowe, 5333.

1:58:15 This producer is from Rochelle Stowe, and here's her note. Okay. Started listening to Mo Facts after my husband Jake, a longtime Noah Genda listener, heard about this new project. We're in our 30s, live in Seattle, and we listen to this podcast together when we're road tripping. Jake says he's a cultureless white mutt. I have a mixed background. My dad grew up in Jamaica. My mom's extended family is from Croatia, so I've always grown up between two worlds. When I hear Mo talk about being a proud black man and how, have you ever said you're a proud black man? Maybe. I'm trying to think. No, I mean, I'm trying to think if you ever said that. When I say the term black, it's the first definition, not the second. Exactly.

1:58:57 Exactly. I just thought it's interesting because you come across that way regardless. You come across as a proud Mofo. Love it. Right. Here Mo talk about being a proud black man, how I wouldn't want to be anything else. I think about how my dad raised my brother and I, that we can't do anything, be anything, and achieve, that we can do anything, be anything, and achieve whatever we want. I started getting attention from my friends and co-workers that made me feel like a victim because of the color of my skin, especially after George Floyd was murdered. The attention is overwhelming and exhausting. This is a great note. But this show gives me context to help navigate this, help navigate conversations about race. Hearing the history of why black people are taught by media to feel victimized, rid me of that anxiety.

1:59:42 Every day I say to myself that knowledge is power and I feel very powerful because of your work. Mo Karma with a kick of goat scream for all the new listeners, please. Also, I just watched The Last Dance with Michael Jordan, and I'm curious, what do you think about him? Thank you very much, says Rochelle. Now, I really, really love this note because it's helping her understand white people. And I remember her husband writing in, actually. He wrote in a few shows ago. We remember these things, people. That's right. He was talking about how helpful from his perspective it was. And I'm glad to hear her give us her firsthand account on how helpful it is.

2:00:27 All right. Now, Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan is the greatest basketball player ever by far. It's not even close. I think he gets a hard. They're pretty hard on him because he's not as woke as people will want him to be, but they got to realize he only made $2 million a year playing basketball compared to $40 million a year that players make now, plus the shoe deals that they get. So they can be a lot allowed to be, appear to be a lot more woker, if that's the word, than Michael was because he was actually kicking open a door that they reap the benefits from now. I don't have the ESPN on-demand thing or whatever the hell it was, but it just hit Netflix and the keeper and I, because she lives in Chicago, you know, she witnessed all of that.

2:01:15 She was a Bulls fan like everybody. And we only hit episode two, but I love this series. It's fascinating to watch. Obviously, I don't know crap about sports. I recognize working on it. We're working on it. Scotty Pippen, though, man, that's an interesting dude. I mean, especially with the deal he signed. Oh, it was horrible. It really is. I feel for him. He's a very interesting guy. Anyway, let me do this Mo Karma with a goat screen twist for you. Thank you very much, Rochelle. There we go. Eric Hochle from Deutschland. We know him. $52. No note, but thank you very much.

2:01:53 Eric, Duncan Shane. Dunker Shoe. I should just say. Can I say one more thing? When people write in, they don't send a note. Just put no note in the comment because I have an anxiety that I'm going to miss somebody. And I have to check everywhere possible. Every combination, name, email address possible. Got it. So just put, it'll save me a bunch of time and take away the anxiety that I don't want to miss anybody. I know when you guys write these notes that it means a lot to you. So that's why I'm very particular about making sure I get people's voices out there. Well, Sir Johnny B did add a note and he said 5150, which is, of course, code for time to take someone to the nut house.

2:02:34 How is it that people can gloss over the obvious language of white supremacy in all these anti-racist articles? It's depressing me. I need some sanity. Hope you guys are back soon. I love you guys. That's capital L. Rubilizer out. Thank you very much, Sir Johnny B. And here we are. Alan Adler, $50. Love the show. He says, here's my contribution for your new Glock 9 millimeter. Give blacks guns. Sir Daddy O of the Seven Wonders, $50. Mo, this is a good faith donation for value I've received, but I need you to understand I'm a proud Southerner who owns a Confederate flag, has pictures of General Lee and Bedford Forest decorating my house, and I'm a student of Southern history and culture.

2:03:12 I'm also half Korean for what it's worth. There are many good Southern people who are proud of their lineage and were not white supremacists or anything like what the media programs people to think about Southerners. How many times have you seen a good portrayal of a redneck in the media, news, TV, or movies? I'd love to talk history and philosophy with you, Mo, and maybe we can do a meetup someday and have dinner and a drink or two. I'm in Virginia. But after your comment about removing the Confederate memorials because they were terrorists, I needed to push back on that completely incorrect narrative. Well, I disagree with you on more than a couple of things. I've listened to this podcast and going back and listening to the archives for shows I missed because I want to better understand your point of view.

2:03:52 And I've learned a lot and definitely received value from your podcast, which is why I need to return some value to you. I think a lot of folks would also benefit from learning about the actual history and culture of the old South. We have a lot more in common than the media would have you think. No surprise. At any rate, best to you and yours and to Adam and all his folks. Sir Daddy O of the Seven Wonders. When I use the term terrorist, I said by their own definition. So people on the right, I don't want to assume that he's on the right, but people on the right often say, if you go against your country, you're treasonous and you're a terrorist and you know, those things. So I'm just saying by that definition that those people set, then

2:04:33 you have to judge it the same way. To me, I'm not bothered by the Confederate flag or Civil War. I actually even said in the show I mentioned that was I have more understanding now living in Virginia because I get to understand it a little bit better. Now, I will say this, he said about lineage, and that's why I rung my bell. I've never said for anybody to deny their lineage. Actually, if you for anybody that you're saying, was listening to the show, that's one of the things that irks me the most when people deny their lineage because that's why we got on the whole passing thing. It's like that's the worst thing you could ever do is deny where you came from.

2:05:17 So, I mean, like I said, I believe, as Trump said, there's good people on both sides. But what I mean by that is you could be a student of history or a former, like, I mean, okay, say, so I found out today my great-great-great-grandfather fought on the side of the Confederate. I wouldn't want him to be canceled. No, I mean, I wouldn't. But now, would I celebrate it? I'm not sure. But I can't condemn anybody that wants to celebrate their lineage. I can't. I will not. So I hope that brings some further understanding to why I'm at.

2:05:56 But when I say use the word terrorist, I'm going by the rights definition of when they throw the word around terrorist or treasonist or those kind of things. So that's the point I'm trying to do. I can't wait for the first MoFax meetup in Virginia. I'm going to be there. And I hope Sir Daddyo joins us. That'd be fun. Thanks, Daddy O. $50 from Buford Kuchikochik Jr. I should know how to pronounce that. Mo, I'm currently working through a devastating relationship crisis due to questioning everything. I need to do something that makes me feel good. Here's my first slice of value for value. Well, we'll give this guy a little relationship, Mo Karma. It sounds like he needs that.

2:06:38 Mo Karma. Thanks, Buford. Ashley Schmidt, $50. I'd like to make this donation in honor of my 27th birthday on 7-Eleven, which happens to be the keeper's birthday as well. And remember, if your birthday is on 7-Eleven, you can get a free Slurpee at 7-Eleven. Also, in honor of my sister's wedding, that day, which is also the 11th. Holy crap. We missed that. Sorry. But congratulations and happy birthday. This show has completely changed my life and perspective. Thank you guys for what you do. You are changing people's lives. You cannot give us a higher compliment. Thank you, Ashley. Hillary Avich Avichali sent us $50.

2:07:19 Thank you. Timothy Cato stay strapped or get clapped, which he attributes to Sun Tzu, but something like that. Yeah, I guess. Anonymous, $47, which would be typically a, we're probably going to have to put in limits pretty soon, the length of these notes and the number of donations. But this would be a number to hide the identity perfectly done anonymous. GBG, keep me anonymous. Thanks for what you do. Anyways, I found this show from the Rogue. Another Ronamo. Another Ronamo. I found this show. from the Rogan podcast after a few episodes. Also, found Adam does the other show. Looking, oh, maybe he came here first. Looking forward to more.

2:08:02 And I glad I could provide some of that Gub Mint dollars to the show. Thank you, Anonymous. Ian McAfee, $43 in the morning, Mo. So glad you two got together to bring us Mo Facts with Adam Curry. Love what you're doing and how you do it. Keep them coming and thank you for your courage. Thank you, Ian. $36.90 from Connor Lawrence in the morning, gentlemen. Love the episode from last week. Mo. If I had any money, I'd buy you a javelin from COD. What's that? Call of Duty? Yeah. Oh, brother. I just got the mental picture of the nerds. A refusal nerd with the javelin. He takes it a little further.

2:08:41 GBML, give blacks missile launchers. Okay. Adam, if you want one, you'll have to settle for a harpoon gun named Dylan. This is Ados only. The white guy gets gypped on this. I got a harpoon gun. Also, harpoon gun named Dylan sounds like a fan fiction version of a fish called Wanda. Anyway, question from OE says: What are your thoughts on the Redskins finally caving on a name change? Do you like any of the rumored replacements? Okay, let me break down this whole Redskin thing. Just for in a minute, I think the owner Schneider uses as an opportunity to use social pressure to change the name.

2:09:22 The inside baseball on that is he would not be allowed to bring the team within Washington, D.C. city limits until he changed the name, which he has his eye on the RFA, RFK Old Stadium. So I think he uses as coverage to his loyal fans and say, hey, what I'm going to do, my hands are tied. I had to change the name. You know, Nike took the apparel off, and a couple of other companies took their apparel off until they changed the name. What I think they should change the name to is just Washington, D.C. Yeah, leave it that. I mean, that way, I mean, it's well, what was interesting is

2:10:01 the National Association of Native American Caregivers or Caretakers or something. I was reading a whole article. Most American Indians, as I think they would like to be called, no one asked us. It's like bullcrap. This is strong warrior. They love that. They have no problem with it. Let me give you a little insight on that. There are some tribes that are getting their pockets line and other tribes that are not. And that's the real room. It always comes down to that. Of course. You're right. That's the real ram. All right. Now he says, For Adam, can you actually name the team?

2:10:42 He says Cam, but I guess he names Cam plays for. Yeah, is the Patriots. Am I wrong? Yes. Okay. And you say you don't know sports. Exactly. Anyway, can the pastors bless me and Elisa with some of that sweet, sweet Woosa and goat Mo Karma? Pretty pleased, you bet. You've got Mo Karma. At reverse, Moosa. There you go. Thank you very much, Connor. Paul Arseno. Please buy a brother some bullets for a 357. That's all I can afford right now, Mo. Thank you, Paul.

2:11:22 John Mahala, 3333. Mo and Adam. Not only is 3333 the magic number, it also represents 33, one-third RPM for vinyl records. I've enjoyed hearing a different perspective on Kanye, Tupac, and others in your podcast. It's given me a greater understanding and appreciation of music from ADOS artists. A few weeks ago, I was visiting Tyron, North Tyron, Tyron, Trion. Oh, Tryon. I'm sorry. I know Cam, but I don't know Tryon. Tryon, North Carolina, which happens to be the birthplace of Nina Simone. Turns out, she was an outspoken civil rights activist who was both a friend and neighbor to Malcolm X. Now, when I listen to Nina Simone in concert, the civil rights overtones, which seem to be lost on much of the audience on the record, are glaringly obvious to me.

2:12:06 I'd love to hear some more episodes explore the role and impact of music on the civil rights movement, but for now, I'm sure there are higher priorities. Either way, I'll still be listening. Thanks again for all the value you give. Yeah, that's that is good. I love Nina Simone too. Oh, here's Dame Jennifer, Jennifer Buchanan. The new studio sounds great. Yes, Mo, your sound is fantastic now. It's nice and quiet. Glad the move went well. I'll keep propagating the food for thought. I definitely made some progress on my last No Agenda meetup in June. To be honest, it's an easy sell with excellent material that you keep presenting. XOXO, Dame Jennifer. Thank you, Dame Jennifer. And she already helps us so much. And I was going to say that that's not the only value that she provided.

2:12:47 So she should be way farther up the list. Thank you, James Dennifer. Yes, this seems to be sticking the James Dennifer baby. Sonia Payne, 3232. Happy 32 birthday to my smoking hot husband, Nathan Payne, from Paragon, Indiana. Couples that listened to Mo Facts together stayed together. Indeed. And happy birthday to him, Sonia. Gabriel Harrow, $30, learning much more on this podcast than I did in high school or college. Ditto. Can there be a podcast on the link of Christmas and Saturnalia? Maybe. You never know. Seems like we're celebrating a pagan or Luciferian holiday unknowingly.

2:13:28 Maybe. Maybe. Okay. Chris Grumal, $25. Hey, Mo. Love the show. You say that it always starts with black people. Well, even alien abduction started with the black guy. Check out the Betty and Barney Hill case. Coincidence? I think not. Damn it, man. We just can't keep up. First to be abducted by aliens. Hold that door open. Here we come. Adrian Magnus and White, $25. Thanks, Mo and Adam, for continuing to open my eyes. Love the show and everything it stands for from Adrian and Sarah Magnus and White. $25 from Chef Elvis Rosenberg. Thank you. John Taylor, 2020.

2:14:06 And Eric Hoff, $20. William Smock, $20. Hey, Moe. Do you think black folks can distinguish between a racist and an a-hole when out in the world? When I run into a white jerk, I think a-hole. But if I was treated the same and I was black, I might think racist. Yeah, we can. I would think so. Easy. Yeah, and I don't think you're always looking to see if someone's racist. You see if someone's an a-hole before anything, I would far greater chance that they're a-hole than racist. Far greater chance. This does happen. Carlo Romero, $20. Quick North Carolina-centric survey. Do you prefer Little Brother or Pete Pablo? Little Brother's better. Pete Pablo got the biggest hit out of North Carolina ever. Take your shirt off.

2:14:49 $20 from O'Shonda Hill. G. McDonald says, Thanks for the great podcast. Andrew McPeak, 1776, a clear signal in honor of the 4th of July show. Mo, you continue to enlighten the masses. I'm embarking on some new books based off the show. I'll be starting Malcolm's autobiography once it arrives and digging into the Black Panthers after that. We were all lied to in school. Hey, join the party, Andrew. I asked this question to producer Jim during the GBG show. Why has no one ever asked the question as to why Sharpton and Jackson have been able to operate in complete safety for the last 40 years? But Malcolm King, Seals, Newton, Evers, etc., who were all for progression of the black community, were either assassinated or put in prison.

2:15:32 I pause for Mo's comment. You already know the answer to yourself. We don't want progress. We want, you know, we want pawns, not progress. Pawns, not progress. There you go. On a side note, have you watched Malcolm X docu series on Netflix? The gentleman. Yes. Is it good? I have not watched it yet. Is it good? Is it yes, it is. It's depressing, but it's good. Okay, good. Well, thank you very much, Andrew, and thank you for the support. David Smith, 1619, another message. Loving the show, Mo. You are changing my opinion on a great many things. David Driscoll, 1533, intellectual reparations. Thank you for the truth.

2:16:17 Theodore Papiananu, I think, 1333. Ted from PA for several months found Adam through JRE. No agenda. Help me and my pregnant silent smoking hot wife make it through some tough and uncertain times. Mo Fax is another beacon of great sense making and entertainment. 1333, because my mom had a dream about that number. And what better place to put my speculation about its meaning than donating to you two for the first time? More to come after we have our son. Thank you. And can I please get a Wusa Mix Goat? No Karma. You got it. We'll do you some Wusa here with a goat.

2:16:59 Man, we're nearing the end here. Can I stop you right there? Because this has to go with the people under $10. Okay, so you know, you say you want to shorten the list up just to shorten the show up. So we're going to have to have a cutoff soon. Well, I will say this. This is just my recommendation. Everybody that donates between one penny and $9.99, we do a pick three number because this guy right here just led me to this. In the black community, running numbers is like, and playing numbers is like a big thing. Okay. It's a pick there. It's a pick three. And the dream number, like a lot of women and men say, I'll dream, I dream that number and they'll play it, right?

2:17:41 So maybe we could have one lucky person that hits. hits that number on 10 cents and one penny. Okay, we'll read their note. That way, we'll hear from everybody. Everybody has a voice. So, and this is just an idea. So, this is lucky three. Is this what you can get at 7-Eleven? The Lucky Three numbers? Yes, pick three. Pick three. That's what this is to pick three. But I mean, I didn't know. I didn't know Malcolm X. I didn't know this is a big ADOS thing, the pick three. Yeah. Yeah. No, but see, it was not from like the state lottery. It was the number runner. Oh, that's Mark Mexico. Yeah. So Malcolm X was a number runner. And I love that. So just the idea. Y'all let me know. But just well, it's just so we always can hear from.

2:18:24 Yeah, I vote in favor. Yeah, okay. I vote in favor. All right. It's approved. Good. Yeah, well, we'll have to do that because otherwise it's just a lot of show. Stephen McConnell, thanks for the sanity, he says, with 11-11, running numbers himself there. Kevin Rowa, $10, value for value. Erkon Ochtem. Thanks, Moe. I'm just going to do them all for today, Mo. $10. Thanks, Moe. Okay, that's fine. No, that's fine. Yeah, but moving forward, yeah. Absolutely. Really enjoy every minute of this. Keep it up. Much love from Berlin Neukollen. Okay. Derek McNulty, $10. Wish I could pay more. It's fine. That's great value for us. Love the show. Bobby Flush, $10. Thanks for spreading so much needed knowledge. Harken Riders, $7.59.

2:19:08 Show support. See the note on Twitter. Best Dan, did you see anything on Twitter? Probably missed it. Andrew. Yeah, I'll get him next show. I'm sorry about that. I couldn't find it, but you either send it again or I had to do it. Twitter's not a great place to leave your note. That's for sure. Andrew McPeak, $5. Mo, my first donation was held up. I emailed you about it. We appreciate that, Andrew. M uh von de Belt, hi, sorry for the racism donation last show. Made me think about how I, as a simple Dutch guy, could chip in. So here's my sorry for black Pete donation. The Dutch with their Black Pete. I will start looking for a rue for further self-disciplining. Keep spreading the gospel, says Martin. That's a switch. Like

2:19:54 it's a long story. Black Pete is a whole nother thing, but if you want to know more about it, it's a big controversy in the night. I'll say this: Black Pete may have represented the Moore's in the area at the time. Absolutely. Absolutely. That's going to be important. That's going to be important. Oh, good. Good. William Hawthorne, $5. Fear is the mind killer. You guys help people overcome that with great conversation and facts. You guys are truly essential workers. Thank you. Kevin Landry, $5. Recently started listening to MoFax. Intriguing perspective and insights. Appreciate it. Dave Swiggert, $4.55. Terry Keller with $4.11. Ken Thoreau with $3.33. Mac and Cheese Diet Donation. Thank you for your courage.

2:20:38 And Theodore Aben Papiananu, who put $1.26. Ted from PA again, another number from my mom's Saint Dream. This is what led me to my original. Yeah. So this is. Thanks, Ted. You contributed. So I'm going to need some Lotto Balls, Adam. Okay, I got to get a. I don't have a Lotto Ball, but I will get a Lotto Ball machine in here. Well, these people have helped, all of you have helped produce episode 43 of MoFax with Adam Curry. It's very simple. What value did you get from this in the two or three hours that we do this show?

2:21:15 Just whatever you compare that to. That's very different for every individual, which makes it so easy to support the program because you put in and what you put in, you get out of it. And what you get out of it, you put back into it. And it makes you producers. And of course, we will have our associate executive producers and executive producers listed proudly in the show notes. We should be able to find it, mofax.com. And you can support us by going to mofax.com or go to directly to the donation page at mofundme.com, M-O-E-F-U-N-D-M-E dot com. And thank you all for producing episode 43.

2:21:59 Well, I'd like to appreciate for sure everybody appreciation for the value for value that they gave us. Another person giving out value is Mr. George Soros with a number of $200 million. Press release. Open Society Foundations announced $220 million for building power in black communities. To support this nation's historic movement towards racial justice, the Open Society Foundations today is announcing investments totaling $220 million in emerging organizations and leaders building power in black communities across the country, placing a bet on their ability to carry today.

2:22:39 today's momentum toward a better tomorrow. The largest share of this support, 150 million, will be through a set of five-year grants to black-led justice organizations that help to create and now sustain the momentum towards racial equality. Open Society's response reflects our conviction that real progress requires sustained support over many years and letting leaders accountable to impacted communities shape the path forward. Quote: It is inspiring and powerful to experience this transformational moment in the racial justice movement, said Open Society Foundation's president, Patrick Gaspard.

2:23:17 We're honored to be able to carry on the vital work of fighting for rights, dignity, and equity for oppressed people the world over, started by our founder and chair, George Soros. Yes, the show would have been two hours long had I not tossed that one into Mo's lap. Yeah, we probably got it a lot sooner. Thank you, Adam. But $200 plus million dollars and the Gaspard, the guy that runs open society. You remember back when Joe Blind said, if you're not, you're not black, if you don't vote for Joe Biden. Yes, I recall. He came out with very sympathetic towards Joe. And now I understand why, because they were going to kick up $200 million to get Joe elected.

2:24:02 Pretty much. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. $220, actually. Right. So $220. That's amazing. And they're going to go to, I just can't get my head around that number. That's a lot of frigging money. And like, where is it going to? Who are these groups, these justice groups? Of course, they're going to getting the Soros Sisters elected because we covered that in previous shows where George Soros is enjoying getting non-white or left-leaning white district attorneys, preferably females.

2:24:39 We just got one in Austin, although not female, but there was huge $600,000 that came from a Soros political action committee that helped the new DA. Yes. So, I mean, that's Soros Sisters all day. And you spell that dollar sign, O-R-O, dollar sign, dollar sign, S-I-Dollar sign. I mean, dollar sign, I, dollar sign, T-A, dollar sign. So if that's enough dollar signs for you, that's Soros Sisters. That's how you spell it. That's right. Because that's all they're about is their dollars at the end of the day.

2:25:17 And you can see this brand, this black branding that Patrice alluded to in her previous clip is about just giving cover for these corporations and these quasi-governmental agents. Well, so part of it is licensing. I mean, it really is not just moral licensing, but actual licensing. And believe me, Black Inc. has it, has it locked down, locked up. This really, these nonprofits, I've looked into them. I don't know if you want to go into them, Mo or what we need to discuss, but these very small, two-person nonprofits, similar to the Patrice Cullers kind of initial Black Lives Matter startup.

2:26:01 Then there's a larger organization, which is more of a clearinghouse. And a lot of these organizations do that. For instance, the Austin Justice Coalition, very small. They say they're nonprofit, but they're not really. They have what they call a special kind of agreement, which I question if that should be legal or not, where a bigger nonprofit with all the back office can actually do all that work for you, but you give the money to them and they can, if they want, earmark some of it according to the agreement to go for other things. And it's also, it's just completely goggles, Curry, goggles,

2:26:42 the thing is, it's so not transparent. All right. I know, I know. I know. No, but let's get into the second clip about Open Society. And I'd like to mention that it is written, it is read by James Dennifer. Yes. We recognize that the struggle to dismantle systemic racism is an ongoing one. It has existed from the dawn of the Republic to the present day and is embedded in every level of government and in our penal and justice systems. But the power surge of people who have taken to the streets to demand that this nation do better, people of all ages, from all backgrounds and in every corner of this country, gives hope to us all.

2:27:25 The success of this movement, the largest in U.S. history, will be measured over years, not weeks. And we cannot say that Black Lives Matter and not make a multi- multi-year commitment to a strategy set by and centering Black leaders and organizations who changed America's sense of what is possible, said Tom Pirelio, executive director of Open Society U.S. Recipients of this set of investments range from emerging groups to more established forces for civil rights. Among them, Black Voters Matter, Circle for Justice Innovations, Repairers of the Breach, and the Equal Justice Initiative. Some are fighting for an end to policing as we know it, and others are fighting for access to the ballot.

2:28:08 Collectively, these organizations make up a vital ecosystem of justice, one that's poised to harness the extraordinary energy of today and ensure it results in meaningful reform. So there you have it. Soros is shelling out the cash. And when you said this, when we said this over a year, almost a year ago, people rolled their eyes like, oh, Soros, everything is Soros. But it is. And like I said, Soros just drew the short straw. He's the master. You got to do it, man. You got to do it. Right. He drew the short straw, and now he has his name out there.

2:28:52 But it's funny, one organization wasn't mentioned in that whole rundown. It wasn't Black Lives Matter. I found that very interesting. That is it that they're trying to remain. Well, again, no. There's one of these nonprofits. If you look at their, and I look at the form 990, I just forget which one it is. I think the second one on the list. And let's tell people what that is. That's the CCC, right? That's a Curry Cash Chase. Yes, Cash Check. Excuse me. So every nonprofit has to report their operations.

2:29:29 And it's called an IRS Form 990. Now, very small ones under $200,000 can file an easy form, which gives you almost no information. But on the form, you can see how much money they brought in, what they spent, what they spent it on. It rarely gives you the actual donors and how that money comes in. And it's not necessarily a requirement, although over certain levels it is. But it's all hidden. But it gives you some transparency, at least gives you an idea of what people are making, what their expenses are. And I have a pretty good feel for these kinds of things. And there's one particular kind of nonprofit, which, you know, we don't know the division either.

2:30:08 I don't think it's equally divided. They're probably getting the bulk of the money. And that's the type of nonprofit that is a bunch of people who maintain a fund. So this nonprofit brings money in. It's donors. And of course, it's the people who are running the nonprofit at the same time. A lot of them are financiers, hedge fund people. And so they can all stand around and say, look, we did a good job because they give the money out. So they take the money in from the big sources and they pass it on. And that is, in fact, their charity is the operating of the charity. So you can slush a lot of stuff to a lot of people, particularly if you have one of these financial agreements where your nonprofit is taking care of the legal, taking care of the HR, the payroll for these smaller groups like, well, in fact, some of the Black

2:31:00 Lives Matter chapters, and it's a pass-through. So outfits like the Open Society Institute can donate this money. It goes in, and they could have a meeting over coffee and say, hey, make sure you give it to them or to them. I mean, there's no transparency over that process at this point, other than here's the money going in, here's where it went in, and look who's on the street. And that's really what you can then learn. Well, people are starting to ask questions, and one of the questions you're asking is how Black Lives Matter is being funded. Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation.

2:31:39 That's the organization. They get millions of dollars, but they are not approved as a tax-exempt organization. So if you give them money on paper, you could not deduct it. So according to the Washington Times investigation, George Soros, since 2015, has given Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation $33 million. And on paper, he can't write it off, but he can. Now here it comes.

2:32:21 So the Black Lives Matter Global Network, okay, Incorporated in Delaware, Joe Biden's home state. state, has forged an alliance with a group called Thousand Currents, 1000 Currents, C-U-R-R-E-N-T-S, 1,000 Currents. They're in Oakland, California. They are run by a guy named Paul Strassberg. Let's see, Paul. Far left, way, way left. I did a deep dive into Thousand Currents.

2:33:03 Can I depart on this and tell you what I learned? Please do. Please. I've been waiting. In light of this show, unless you already know this, it will be quite shocking to you. Thousand Currents. Now, the information is always going to be behind because in 2018 taxes were filed. They don't have 19. And so we really have, we won't know about 2020 until 2021. But they're about $6 to $7 million that they brought in. What's interesting about the Thousand Currents is it's a name change. It was rebranded around 2015, 2013, 14.

2:33:48 I can't tell exactly. And the executive director was removed. It used to be known as the IDX, which was the International Development Exchange, was run by an Indian lady. And they really, as they even current, or A Thousand Currents say, they're really involved with the Southern Hemisphere, Africa, with deprived groups, etc. But it's not necessarily, in fact, not very much about Black Lives Matter at all, other than that they do the processing for them. But what's interesting is you can learn from the Forum 990 about the board of directors and

2:34:30 if they're getting paid at all. Salaries are listed. And I decided to take a look at some of these board of director members. And the vice chair of the board of directors is Susan Rosenberg. Susan Lisa Rosenberg. Have you ever heard of her, Mo? No, I have not. Well, Susan Rosenberg, born in 1955, is an American activist, writer, and advocate for social justice and prisoners' rights. From the late 1970s to the mid-1980s, Rosenberg was active in the far-left revolutionary terrorist May 19th communist organization, also known as M19, which, according to the contemptuous FBI report, openly advocated the overthrow of the U.S.

2:35:13 government through armed struggle and the use of violence. M19 provided support to an offshoot of the Black Liberation Army, including, sounding familiar, including in armored truck robberies and later engaged in bombings and government buildings. Some of us will remember if you were around. After living as a fugitive for two years, Rosenberg was arrested in 1984 while in possession of a large cache of explosives and firearms. Remember, she's on the board of the organization that does the money for Black Lives Matter. She had also been sought as an accomplice in the 1979 prison escape of Asada Shakur and the 1981 Brinks robbery that resulted in the deaths of two police and a guard.

2:35:55 Rosenberg, here it comes, was sentenced to 58 years imprisonment on the weapons and explosive charges. She spent 16 years in prison during which she became a poet, author, and AIDS activist. Her sentence was commuted to time served by President Bill Clinton on January 20th, 2001, his final day in office. This is, in fact, a radicalized feminist Marxist who was doing the very same things that Black Lives Matter is doing. Birds of a feather. I mean, so this, did you know this? Did you know about Rosenberg?

2:36:37 I did not. I did not. I mean, I knew about Assada Shakur and the bank robberies. But did you know that she was, she is the vice chair of essentially the entire operation of Black Inc. I did not know. And she's, this is that. She's a communist, a Marxist. It's the same script. The exact same, and some, it's the same people. And if you go to the Thousand Current website and look at their logo, the O and the U is represented by Auroborus or the affinity sign or the snake eating it, eating itself.

2:37:21 Holy crap. And so this, the. the previous, so what they did is they just took this nonprofit, and I found the resignation letter from the previous executive director. She's like, well, you know, obviously there's change. They have some different ideas. I'm leaving. Wish everybody well. And everything changed. They just took this existing organization and rebranded. And it's a complete slush front front. But is it really? Because we have one of the most radical Marxist people right here in the operation. And somehow it's not really reported on that much. And she's dealing with other radical Marxists playing the same tactics.

2:38:06 That is your high command right there. Well, your high operational command. Right. And the money, and you're saying the money still comes pouring in. They're like, oh, we got our book straight over here. You just give us the money and we'll filter it out. Man, that's the exactly. Here, 2011, Rosenberg published a memoir, An American Radical, a Political Prisoner in My Own Country. I mean, this is so good in light of how you set us up throughout the show today, Mo. It's fantastic. This fits so perfectly. And if I'm not mistaken, I think their new leadership is this Somali lady. So if you want to get into the Somali connection, surprise, surprise. I'm just saying.

2:38:49 I'm just going to put that out there. I'm not going to. They never disappoint, do they? No. Right. But this is the same thing was going on in 1966, and it was uncovered by the John Burke Society. Anarchy, the breakdown of law and order. A chaotic reign of terror, mob rule, and rioting. The collapse of government authority. These phrases ring strange in the ears of Americans, and for good reason. Through the years, America has stood as the world symbol for law and order. Our government is responsive to the will of the people. Our courts and legislatures provide the mechanics for a peaceful redress of grievances.

2:39:29 And the policeman on the corner has traditionally been looked upon as a friend, not as the instrument of a tyrant. Anarchy. Well, that was something we read about in our newspapers that was always happening in other countries. Then, in the summer of 1964, widespread rioting and looting suddenly broke out in Harlem, in Rochester, in Newark, in Jersey City, in Philadelphia, Cleveland, and Chicago. All within a few days of each other. It was as though an unseen hand had given the signal.

2:40:11 The degree of communist influence in these riots has been the subject of much discussion and controversy. Not anymore. Then I love it because we can just almost predict the next steps in the script. And maybe people have this knowledge. They see this repeat from the 30s and then the 60s. 60s, and then they redid it in the 80s. I mean, it was more cultural Marxism then, but now they're coming back around to the hardcore stuff. That's right. And maybe, maybe we'll all get an effing clue. And when you support these organizations now, be clear that you're supporting Marxist agendas.

2:40:50 I mean, I can't put it any other way. And this is where it gets real juicy. Not only are you supporting a Marxist agenda, you may be supporting a racist himself in Marx. Because Marx wanted German socialist Ferdinand LaSalle to find me some literary business in Germany to supplant my diminished income and increased expenditure, he cultivated him with flattery to his face and contempt behind his back. Marx referred to LaSalle's book on Hegel as an exhibition of enormous erudition when writing to La Salle and as a silly concoction when writing to Engels.

2:41:33 Marx added that LaSalle was a Jewish nigger based on Marx's analysis of his appearance. Hold on a second. We just show just got canceled. We got to cancel Karl Marx. Yeah, no kidding. He's no good. He's no good. He said the N-word. And then he said, no, he called him a Jewish nigger. It's a JN word. Yeah, what I'm saying is either way, either way, you cut that combination of words. He got to get up out of here. What are we doing here?

2:42:16 We need a clip of him saying that. Well, I don't have a clip. clip. I don't have a clip of him saying this, but this is from a very reputable author, Mr. Thomas Soel. It is now perfectly clear to me that, as testified also by his cranial formation and hair growth, he is descended from the Negroes who joined Moses' Exodus from Egypt, unless his paternal mother or grandmother was crossed with a nigger. Well, this combination of Jewish and Germanic stock with the Negroid basic substance is bound to yield a strange product. The fellow's importunity is also nigger-like. Oh my God, this is great.

2:42:57 Karl Marx is very problematic. Very problematic. Very problematic. In fact, you're just normalizing racism if you're for Marxism. And didn't he just say the same thing that the football player Deshaun Jackson gets canceled for retweeting from Hitler? Yeah. They're saying the blacks are the Jews. I'm not talking about the N-word now. Go back and play that clip again. He just called and said the black people were the original Jews. It is not Karl Marx. It's completely clear to me that, as testified also by his cranial formation and hair growth, he is descended from the Negroes who joined Moses' exodus from Egypt, unless his paternal mother or grandmother was crossed with a nigger.

2:43:43 Well, this combination of Jewish and Germanic stock with the Negroid basic substance is bound to yield a strange product. The fellow's importunity is also nigger-like. Wow, man. This is so good. Have you really read all of Marx? Have you really seen what he wrote? I mean, do you really know how problematic he is? Right. We could play that. Well, if they try to play the one hand, well, he's not being offensive to black. He's being offensive to our Hebrew brothers and sisters. You know, either way, we got to get him up out of here. But there may be a reason that Karl Marx is above cancellation.

2:44:28 Oh, my. Karl Marx grew up a brilliant, spoiled child who bullied his younger sisters and taunted his schoolmates with sarcastic witticisms, in addition to entertaining both with imaginative stories. He had a swarthy complexion that in later years earned him the nickname the Moor, a name used far more often in his inner circle, including his children, than was his real name. Okay, you rang the bell on Swarthy, and I just happened to know why you rang the bell because we both studied this word recently. Yes. And it was and called the Moor. Yeah. Marx the Moor. Marks the. Wait a minute. Was Mark black? He was Swarthy.

2:45:13 Swarthy. Well, for people that don't know, let's get the etymology of Swarthy from Chronicles of Judah 144. All right, now we're looking at Swarthy. All right. Swarthy, dark-colored, especially of skin. All right, so now Benjamin Franklin, he called the Germans Swarthy. Now, what Germans do you know today? Once again, when you think of Germans, don't you think of Caucasian people with blonde hair and blue eyes? Swarthy, dark-scaled, especially of skin. 1580s, unexplained alteration of Swarthy from Swart.

2:45:55 Related swarthiness. Now, the next one, Schwartz. Also, Schwartz, black person. Somewhat derogatory. 1961, Yiddish. From Schwartz. Black. See, Swarthy. Now, now, for the people who try to gainsay it, say, oh, no, when it says swarthy, it's just talking about. Now, why is it that when it says black, it says see swarthy? Hmm. I looked it up when we were reading an article about

2:46:32 women in Elizabethan times getting this really white makeup to put on the face because they might have not been white enough at the time to be part of the bloodline and were thus seen as swarthy, which is Schwartz is black. It's fantastic. No one knows this shit anymore. And we have, as he mentioned in his clip, that even Benjamin Franklin referred to the Germans as swarthy. Yeah. And Tani, which Tani is more like a light brown. But if you go and look at the younger pictures of Karl Marx, he looks like Chico de Barge. Why the bullshit you think he couldn't even be L? He's got to be Chico. Hold on. Holy crap.

2:47:17 Downgrade. No, you can't make this crap up. You can't make it up. So do we cancel him or is he above canceling him because he's considered black, but nobody will tell you that? Wow. This is that the rabbit hole where you said, stop, we have to actually make a show. I'm just not going any further than that. Is that kind of what happened? Because it's crazy. This is so good. Well, we tied a lot of things together here, Mo. We tied, well, first of all, the most important is the total exposure of how this black trap has worked with the Marxism and has expanded into any group now known as identity politics right through to this to the actual man

2:48:02 behind the movement now being resurrected by Susan Lisa Rosenberg for Black Inc. If this doesn't blow people's minds, I don't know why they invented marijuana. I'm telling you. This is fantastic. I really appreciate it. And my major takeaway from this is black is two things, according to Patrice Colors. One, you have a race or lineage, which she has says has been constructed. And then you have a political statement. So we birthed the term black ink here on the show today. And proud of it. And as I always say, pay attention to everything and the truth will reveal itself.

2:48:46 And we will return as soon as possible within a week. Remember us at MoFundMe.com and check out the archives at mofacts.com. See you next week. Mo. All right. See you later, Adam. I'm as real as a real can get.

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