Topic: Sandbox

Catherine Madison explains that parents and adults at Mount Carmel kept children under constant surveillance, even while playing in the sandbox, due to fears of government intervention. A caller expresses sympathy for the survivors and the nation's loss, noting that Madison does not fit the public image of a criminal.

Ophelia Santoyo details the destruction of children's toys, motorcycles, and go-karts by federal tanks during the siege. She notes that even the children's sandbox and the family's cars were crushed, which she views as a deliberate attempt to terrorize the residents.