You Burn It We Build It The Phoenix Project 1995 To Present Day A Lot Of Unseen Footage [iAfRzQ3gbbw]

00:01 I love Mike Hanson archives. Did you raise your wife? Well, you said it was painful to watch them destroying all your things because they were running the tanks over our cars Yeah, it was psychological warfare Yeah and everything that toys You know the kids always yeah It would make you think that you had no power at all right

00:42 They do. What did they do? They moved us! Sick high school football game type of stuff that they did there totally immature There's always new Federal lies that we are forced to counter here. Texas talk radio personality Alex Jones has been crying murder and cover-up from day one of the Waco horror These are thugs who wanted to engage in terrorism against the American people And I say their terrorism has failed and this horrendous lie is starting to unravel The surviving Davidians say the same thing That's what they do for a job, as if...they lie When I tell what I tell, I'm telling the truth

01:27 And if people accept it, fine. We just believe that God would not let the truth be hidden." And Waco keeps burning. Are you there sir? Hello! Yes Can you hear me Mike? Yes we can hear ya go right ahead I was just gonna make a statement uh...I truly believe that David Koresh is a Christian and he believed in biblical love the biblical concept of the Bible. I think he truly preached whatever the Bible teaches, but this is just an example of what's going to happen to us Christians We are gonna be looked at as a sect of demonic beings or whatever because we believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and i think that that's why the Lord says Be prepared to suffer because I think we're gonna suffer A lot of the same thing that David Koresh did with people who lived there at the camp

02:15 profess to be Christians and believe in Jesus Christ. So it's just something that they're going to show the people, that if you do profess to be a Christian and you believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, this is just an example of what's gonna happen to those people who profess to be Christians." And that was just a comment I wanted to make. Well there is a one world order coming into being...and when they have the one world order fully, there is going to be a religion that everyone will be expected to go along with and I'm sure it will not be biblical because they hate the...they go after the people that are studying the Bible.

03:30 Look, I know you came out and said that they did it all wrong. That's how it was planned with the helicopters to shoot first to create the crisis so all of you guys would open fire while your down the road crying Now thats how this works They're building prisons everywhere across this country We're going into a Nazi Germany type state And you bet ill get fired up and angry It's time to stop whitewashing all this and waffling back and forth. You've got to go all the way, and expose what has been happening because you know it is gearing up massively right now And my family has been threatened the whole nine yards just for this That is why people who have never stood up or really done something in their lives can't understand how real and hardcore this world is and whats happening

04:06 And now Reno's the head of domestic preparedness. They just fired Cohen, the Secretary of Defense from a job last week! He's a puppet over the military now? And Reno runs our military?! None of these people are gonna talk about that she passed her test This is a huge psychological warfare program A huge experiment for you The military The police The American people The media You're all being strung along and now is the time for people to start rebelling against it That's why I get so angry. I realize you're not as bad as the other ones and i know who you are The point is, You gotta come all the way out They read the names of the BATF that died in there I'd say this memorials for them too but it doesn't matter Well we were still misguided stormtroopers doing something unconstitutional Alex on the 22nd hour of tape

04:50 the Waco Police Department, there was five agents killed. Who was the fifth agent? There were five agents killed on 28 February 1993. Who is the fourth agent? Pardon? Five agents. No no I'm saying that on the 22nd hour of tape Alex has the tape with him right now You can queue it up and play it. The point is, I know you don't know...I'm asking ya why do you not know? Hey! Do admit all the films, all the TV shows that don't show helicopters. Were there helicopters flying above that day sent from Fort Hood? I will say this to you, the helicopters did no shoot first. But there were helicopters! No, no, they didn't shoot first

05:39 Who did shoot first? You said that. You said that. But you said the women shot first They did shoot There were people on the helicopters who did shoot They didn't have guns? No, they didn't have guns in the helicopters Oh now they don't have guns in the helicopters I had audio saying there were bullet holes in the roof And the fact is there were gunshots from the helicopters What about Lon Horiyuchi We know he shoots women when they got babies in their arms Are you glad the church was built? Memorial Church. Are you for the memorial church

06:20 Okay, I'm not a Davidian sir, but I don't want to live in a police state. I'm standing against it and this is peaceful People are gearing up to defend their homes they've seen what you guys are up to Congress that they almost destroyed a really good agency Good agency okay, let's review what happened to Vicki Weaver Now, Vicky Weaver was not shot by an ATF agent. Lawn Horer, UTF-BI I cannot comment on here because I know... Right but the point is we got dead Americans because the ATF Why did you guys shoot the dogs? Under testimony, the BATF admitted they shot the dogs first The Malamutes Why were the Husky dogs shot

07:09 Why were the dogs shot? You weren't really here when that happened. Yeah, but I'm asking you've been around it why they shoot the dogs when they were... Well, why did Serban and Shemesh... Hold on! Did they shoot dogs under testimony? No, they didn't. You're gonna have to ask somebody else on this. Oh, but you know they shot the dogs. Let's ask him what he knows about it. Ambush at Waco in the line of duty didn't show up. Why didn't you tell Serban... Did you try to tell the ATF the rescue unit that the ATF was coming in from? I tried to tell them yes, I did tell them that Who called and warned him? Wait a minute. Last night there was a guy on channel 11 in Dallas, CBS that there's now an entire deputy that allegedly has been accused of tipping off Davidian. But you're saying you went in the building and told them they were coming? No I didn't say anything like that. Why were you crying out to the other side of the road? You weren't there that day! Out there on that road we got video of you crying

07:59 Could you tell us the conversation? I can tell you what was going on. You don't think they should have done it, right? No. Of course not. I mean... It wasn't the right thing to do at that time. Of course, I knew how everything was and

08:48 Of course I was disturbed about it. When you were in Mount Carmel that morning, did it appear that everybody was gearing up for battle when you were there that morning? When I left everything was possible once I left this compound anything was possible Well they weren't scurrying around inside get ready! Get ready they're coming Not when I was here, no. Okay and so between that time and what time was that? About nine... I'm not gonna answer any questions like i said I already said too much anyway I just came here to thank you for coming! I appreciate it! Are you going to hear about the problems with anybody or argue with anybody? I know y'all have your own beliefs everybody has their own beliefs and that's right. What's your first name?

09:40 He's Robert. When you say, you all, you're putting... I'm saying anybody besides me. All Americans have their own beliefs that's what i'm saying. That to me is the only way everybody's given by and I don't judge anybody by that I know. I don't. Why did they put this under the windows to keep people from coming out? Right here, we have a question behind you right now. He came by himself so he didn't come in here to get the warmth. Why did they put this under the windows to keep children and people from coming out? He said he had memories. He had memories.

10:29 A lot of things happened to me. A lot of things have changed my life, changed everything that I was looking for or where I was and it just helped because they've been with me for the rest of my life. I have a family now I don't want to come up with anything here. What is your first and last name? Robert Rodriguez, I met you at the trial when you came outside and were crying. And I understand that you were very upset. And I appreciate that you tried to stop what was going on by alerting them to let them know they already knew But why was this put up under the windows... I have no idea of what it is. The agents didn't ask for time. I have no idea what that is.

11:34 Thank you. I wish we could have met under better circumstances. It's Alex Jones, A-L-E-X J-O-N-E-S Why did... why do you want to get involved in this? Well, I don't have much faith in Judge Walter Smith in the wrongful death suit. And I just figured that a statement needed to be sent that the American people do not buy the propaganda that was pumped out by the federal government who held the media back over two miles away

12:11 And it was just time for somebody to do something. More and more evidence was coming out of what really happened here, and I saw the continued denials by Janet Reno in the Justice Department and the FBI, and I said it's time for America to stand up. We know what happened here was wrong. We sat back and allowed it to happen then, and it's just the right thing to do. It's just that simple. You can't allow a group of Americans to first be demonized and then murdered, and even after they're dead, the demonization continues and all of the innocent Branch Davidians that are languishing in prison right now after they were found not guilty of the major charges by the jury.

12:49 It's mainly to focus attention on what happened here and put it in the real light that the American people do not buy the government line on this. We want some real answers, we want the government to rectify what they've done here, some reparations for the Branch Davidians but again I don't expect any reparations from the Branch Davidians. I don't expect that they'll get satisfaction in this civil suit, the wrongful death suit So the people of Central Texas and America had to stand up and say this is wrong. We're building a memorial church for all those that died. There's no reason to have this type of activity going on here in America, this is something I would expect to see in Russia or China or Nazi Germany not the USA How does it make you feel to see this now? Going up nearing completion

13:37 I knew we could do it. I know there's a great volunteer spirit in America, Americans are good people black people white people it doesn't matter We all need to come together for better country and have real communities that are based on understanding and tolerance And I think the government has shown their incredible intolerance here when they're the ones that are constantly trying to preach tolerance I see them doing exact opposite Thank you You want Mike Hanson? He's the volunteer coordinator. I think we're good right now Well, thank you sir Tell me what you think about the new church. I think it's beautiful I'm so excited about it. I can't wait until I sit there in it to have a worshiping there tell me what we're doing over here

14:39 We just cleaning up for the memorial, April 19th. Tell me what you think about Mount Carmel? What kind of place it is and how you like it? The Mount Carmel. What's your feelings about Mount Carmel? I don't know what to say... Well, wha-what do you think about Mount Carmel? My voice won't be on here so you just...Mount Carmel! What do you think about Mount Carmel? Is it a special place?

15:24 Marcamel is a special place for me. That's where I lost my only daughter and her kids, I lost six persons and they were my closest family To the establishment we have this to say to you There are problems in our country, yes we live in troubled times. There are far too many criminals and far too many crimes I'm locking every window and I'm bolting every door The tool I use is self-defense will even up the score You can rant you can rave you can make your demands And you can take my gun from my cold dead hands

16:39 There are global corporations, they have billions that they pay To the greedy politicians who make sure things go their way They tax us into poverty and we live from day to day To them were useless eaters We don't get to have a say You wanna crash this constitution Is that what's in your plan? You can take my gun from my cold dead hand In every case through history when genocide was planned The tyrants made distractions and the people looked away And by the time they realized, they couldn't get away This smiling face on my TV says we should all join hands

17:24 New World Order plan will downsize our defenses, give our bases all away to a UN global peace force and we'll do just what they say. Take your globalist agenda and your new world order plans and you can take my gun from my cold dead hands We're coming out here to help keep the memory alive of the butchery, the murder. Because Bill Clinton was insecure and wanted to flex his muscles and the BATF wanted more funding they wanted to raise the American people's consciousness about cults and out-of-control organizations of this nature so they surrounded the place opened fire with helicopters

18:08 and then 51 days later set it on fire, sent hit teams inside and murdered the people. Those that tried to escape were machine gunned from outside only a couple of people got out alive because they came out the front where they had cameras. This is Steve Lane with The Freedom Report we're here at what used to be Mount Carmel, I guess it still is Mount Carmel but where the facilities used to be here in Waco and we're standing here with Catherine Madison who's going to give us a tour of the site. This is all new to me I've never been here before never studied the site in any detail and I'm looking forward to Miss Catherine showing us around Well this road goes on a curve and ahead of us is the curve and the house has started

18:58 Right where that second telephone pole is. And extended down the road, there were about 15 houses here at one time. To your left down here you're going to see all the trees that were planted for the people who died in the fire and each one has a marker on it telling uh... the name of one of the people. Is this an actual gravesite or just a memorial? No its just a memorial they are buried in other places To your right, down in front of us way down there that is the bus that we had originally. We used to all be able to get in there and go where we wanted to go as a group It looks like it's been burned I don't know when it was burned. It was perfectly alright when we left And there has been all kinds across

19:53 different tanks when it's to the front of it. When you look at, you'll see that that has been caved in But the rest of it was in good shape. And you actually were in the house during the initial attack, is that correct? Oh yes I was there. How long were you there? I was there until the attack was over See they called a troop so that they could have pick up their men That had been hurt and take their others You're speaking about ATF When it came time for us to pick up our people They wouldn't allow us to do it Actually have a couple of Kansas City's finest members of the SWAT team. This one here is quite, quite a specimen I tell you In all my years involved with SWAT I've never seen a gentleman like this that I learned so much from in just the short time I've been around him It was just awesome is about the only word to describe him

20:46 Honed, honed to a fine edge. Honed to kill. That's right he just did Rambo He's just like Rambo out here himself Why April 19th? Why was April 19 so significant that the FBI felt compelled To take the actions that they took there has never been a good answer for that Jeff Jamar in the congressional hearings stated categorically that the reason why April 19th was picked because of the weather was good well If you're putting gas into a building, having a high-velocity wind operative that can dissipate the gas doesn't mean that the weather was good. It means it was bad." So what did he mean by the weather being good?

21:21 Was it good for a fire? Yeah. It was very conducive for an arson fire, but it wasn't very good for inserting gas that day So what did Jeff Tamar mean no one asked him that question who were the people at the back of the building shooting at the branch Davidians on April 19th What was involved with the explosion on the top of the bunker and during the course of the fire, how was the evidence handled or mishandled in the following investigation? Questions like that. So we get to deal with those issues. I think what went on here and the fact that it wasn't documented by the media the way it should have been probably has something to do with why you have a TV show and radio show

22:07 uh... you're not exactly mainline but on the other hand uh... the birth of that type of communications is a good thing because it gives the main line media something to think about next time they want to uh... i'd kowtow to people justice department for fear losing new sources terms of Do I think that the... Why, do I have any idea why the media isn't doing their job? I don't know. You'll have to go ask them That's what you ought to be doing right now is asking these guys why they haven't done their job relatives of that Well there just airin' boys! They're just out getting footage it gets cut up back home Yeah and watch what you have to do is go and find the editors I've done it And put them on camera and asked him why is it you haven't run these stories Yes sir thanks alot I'm serious

22:54 Have you seen Waco rules of engagement? Yes I have. You have, so you've seen the inventor, the man that holds three or four patents on flare technology telling you those are sniper points firing automatic weapons what do you think about that I thought it was fascinating. I thought it was a different perspective than I had heard before, and I don't know that I will base any definite opinion on it but I thought it was interesting. It taught me something I didn't know before Are you aware that our Secretary of Defense William Cohen just created 10 regional teams to work with local law enforcement? That is absolutely unconstitutional and they're doing anti-terrorism training all around the country. Are you aware that General Benton Parton, ex head of Air Force Weapons Development says Oklahoma City was done with pinpoint strikes inside the building? No I wasn't aware about that

23:43 Exactly. What news service are you with? Channel 10 here in town Here in Waco If you want, I will send y'all footage from CNN the day of the bombing where they were removing unexploded bombs from the girders inside Oklahoma Uh...I've worked on the McVeigh trial out in Denver I pretty much know Well thanks a lot appreciate it Mike come on like this. There's been documented evidence as far as FBI snipers firing on people running out of the back of the church there at Waco, that was documented from a FLIR tape which stands for Forward Looking Infrared Radar

24:28 by the gentleman who invented FLIR technology. He reviewed that tape and said those were FBI snipers firing at many of the people trying to escape from the burning church there in Waco, and we have seen no mainstream news reports on that. That was in a documentary put out that actually got nominated for an Academy Award Have you ever spoken in the newsroom about things like that or talked about reporting anything like that? Sorry, I can't answer any questions. If you heard about stuff like that do you think he might be interested and possibly looking into doing stories on things like that? I'd suggest you call my news room Okay what's his name so i could talk to him? Waco there is footage from the government that has released on Waco rules of engagement and in the Davidians trial at San Antonio with feds shooting men Alright here we are

25:15 Here we are knocking on the controlled media window. It's only quarter till six it's only a quarter till six We have some questions for the media We have some questions about the mainstream media and about Chiafas and the huge war that's going on down there. We have some questions about Waco, and Waco rules of engagement why haven't you talked about it media? we have some serious questions There is footage of the feds shooting people with their own cameras! There is footage of this...we need to answer these questions It's not a joke This isn't a publicity stunt We need answers We need answers. There's a huge war in southern Mexico! Sir, there is a huge... Sir there is a huge war in southern Mexico don't you care? It has been going on for three years Don't you care?! Is it funny!? Hey we're leaving You can call them

26:13 Oh look, he smugly sits there and makes a face. It's not funny at all slave master! That is what we get for asking KI questions For asking KI why they won't report on what is happening in southern Mexico Why they won't report on the film of the murders at Waco They refuse to report on the facts Where is the free press in this country? We demand answers. We demand answers now! Dividing black against white, white against black woman against man child against parents Why do you allow this? Why do you allow yourselves to be manipulated and controlled It is very saddening and it is wrong but its something that we as Americans have got to stand up too

27:02 All we asked KI to do was report the facts. We refuse to be part of your lies, we refuse to submit to your lies and we're going to continue to stand up! We don't care about the fear, we don't care about the IRS and FinCEN and the Delta Force and all the SWAT teams coming under federal control because today Austin told the Delta Force that they weren't welcome in this city San Antonio threw them out Three weeks ago, Texas has stood up. Texas has spoken and saying we were a bunch of idiots. You aren't concerned with Waco rules of engagement which conclusively shows the feds shooting men, women and children The massive war that's going on in southern Mexico The scorched earth policy that is now documented! Your not concerned with the Delta Force being thrown out of town And the IRS raping innocent citizens or you put on some kind of whitewash We know media...we know! We don't want to hear bank intakes and all that

28:03 Yeah, we don't want to hear about baking cakes or how to plant tomatoes or how to mow your lawn. Or how to tattle on your neighbor with water waster hotlines! We don't want to hear about how we can thumb scan the buy and sell and retina scan and be good little slaves. We don't want to hear you're government lying cowards. We know that you are not even part of this system You're just little cowards The pretty faces in their minds that paint the picture that the establishment wants We're not gonna stop exposing you. Stop telling us about baking cake! Well, my name is Annetta Richards and I am a survivor of the Waco atrocity. One thing that I know is that God is the judge of everything He sees all things and if there are to be any indictments it will be as God would choose them We have nothing against people we're saddened by all that happened

28:58 Hate the fact that they went through such a torture. Feelings all through that morning, wonder what's going to happen with CS Gas These things become very apparent to us on April 19th. During the year we try not to cry so much or remember smiles, but on the day of the 19th you remember that fire so much more and we can feel that pain so much greater. We feel they must have ran through way they said so many people were in so many different places all clumped together. It was a horrible, horrible feeling They didn't know how to deal with it and all we know is they were in a lot of pain. Our pain is nothing compared to what they went through.

29:41 The only time that I have to really get together with the survivors and talk about things, because you know I live far away and everyone's kind of scattered. So really it's kind of like a family reunion at the same time being memorial when you come out here and see the destruction and just kinda remember everything that happened And with the infrared, with the explosion and people...the flashes we have on infrared absolutely prove beyond a shadow of doubt that people were killed Law of averages would state that if there's nine survivors, and I'm one of the nine. The people who survived came out to the side in front of the building. Majority of people were at back of the building in cafeteria area. Law of averages would state that you know if 9 people survive from a fire then people are going come out with majority of the people are. And fact no one survived they came out on their back always escape me. I can never understand why? I had theory but could never prove it

30:33 This infrared video proves that beyond a shadow of doubt the people were killed and now it's time to get the people That are in jail out of jail, and it's time to get these shooters. Let's get their names Let's find out who they were who they were working for who was responsible and get these people put away You know we want a constitutional government We're not radicals in the sense that we want a revolution no we just want our government back there is a massive consolidation of local police departments under federal control, the Multi-Jurisdictional Task Force and the JTF 6 which is based at Fort Bliss Texas. They wear black ski masks they train in military tactics and they are the big gun and a long arm of the IRS and the criminal system that is running this nation make no mistake the murders of these people and these children was about one thing and one thing only

31:25 It was about terrorism against the American people. It was about testing and pushing the limits to see if the government could surround a group, if they could kill those people and burn it to the ground. Waco rules of engagement shows the automatic weapons fire as men and women tried to exit the back of the building that's where most bodies were found right in the edge. Hit squads military black ops are same ones that destroyed Oklahoma City just like Hitler burnt the Reichstag in 1933 I mean, where is our country when ex-attorney generals of the United States of America are here telling you that Reno and the rest of them and Republicans and Democrats are all the same people? ...which show that we carry over our militarism right into our churches to assault church people. Well yes sir my first question is or my first statement about this is...is your absolutely right! We have military training, people in black ski masks

32:24 with the MJTF, multi-jurisdictional task forces training directly with our local law enforcement in Austin Texas where I'm from and i found out that this is a nationwide movement. Sure it isn't and the sad part is you know the cop is supposed to be our friend on the beat he's one takes gets the cat out of the tree and takes care of the lost kids and stop someone from burglarizing their home and stuff like that Instead, they love to be SWAT team. It's the thin blue line there teaching them in fact I've heard police... Pretty thick blue line right now. I've done interviews at protests and things and the police walk up and say stay behind the demarcation line uh you'll hear him talking watch the civilians They're using military terminology is this dangerous? Of course it's dangerous The paramilitary concept of police is a police state You know And our constitution was created to prevent us from being a police state But

33:16 The thing that I don't think the American public realizes is that this military training is going on. What are some things we can do to get this reversed, hopefully? Well, I think we have to resist at every level. If you don't work at the national level, you can't expect the local level... After all, we're providing a lot of federal funds for the local level and they love it. And that brings control? It brings control, it brings technology, it brings things they don't need, ya know? Infrared Who needed tanks out here? Yeah, everything that billions and billions of dollars in research and development provide the military are now being devoured. Going into civilian control Have YOU seen Waco Rules Of Engagement?

33:54 Sure. It's horrifying, isn't it? It is horrifying. The whole story is even more horrifying Sir I didn't actually see this last year but I heard about it reported in some of the alternative press Is it true that last year you spoke about how the Trilateral Commission was running the country Well, I've criticized the Trilateral Commission for many years but i don't really think the Trilateral Commission is running the country. CFR? I think that same people are... The same people who run the CFR, the Council on Foreign Relations and the Trilateral... Those aren't front groups Sure, I mean they're just meeting their organizations through which they implement their power and it's an international group that maintains power to the multinational corporations in the media and all the rest Yes sir. And wouldn't you say that now what you have is is corporate socialism for them and slavery for us? Well, you've got You've got corporate wealth for them They don't... It's called stealing

34:54 It could be called stealing, although it's stealing on such a grand scale that you'd have to call it grand larceny I think. Katherine survived Yeah, I'm a survivor. Put your other earphone back on. No, I can hear fine with this one. She survived the... what is it we're calling? You've named it now the Holocaust? Yes, I would say that because there's very much... It was something that we did not expect We did not know See everyone expected to come out after a few days and twice they expected to come out but

35:32 If somebody went out the door, they'd tell them they did not want them outside. And then they put that Constantine wire around one of the windows and all that? Yes and we need...and Constantine wire is what you might call razor wire. Razor sharp! You know I never knew what Constantine wire was until I went down to Mount Carmel and saw it for myself. And I could not believe anybody could ever Get out with that around well if they use it a time for prisons and correctional facilities worth because it's wrong And I know what in your life when I take this but my husband brought some home from me look at my husband's an architect You have what you have to pick out you say, I want constant a between wire 321 and the fuse color It's about little bit erasers. And they're very close together yeah, you can't it's like a flight assault like a shaving

36:28 You know the one side shaver? Uh-huh. Only not as wide, you know it's thin and I'll tell you if you touch it you feel like... you could cut yourself just touching it! Oh yeah, I just don't that's the thing about it so you thought in a couple of days you would be that this would go away Everybody was going to come out and when I came out I tried to bring things that I would use if we went to court I never got them. The clothes that I had on, I never received back and so when I came out of jail, I had just the white outfit and I was very fortunate to have a white outfit because they sent me to Gatesville who has white

37:12 Waco has orange. I'd have never been able to walk around with that orange on because this morning, I pranked and it said that it was about the Davidians. I pulled if off somebody for sending them air wheeling. Okay. Oh! When I got out of... What were you put in jail for? Oh, I was told by the judge that I would be charged with murder and conspiracy to murder and conspiracy But you know what happened, there was about 4 o'clock one afternoon. They took me into this little room with all these men within to hear what was going on The very next day at the same time they brought me up to the federal court and he came out and told me that they had dropped all charges And they hadn't dropped charges because see my right eye is not good enough to shoot with I can see out of it

38:03 But I can't see well enough. You couldn't sight a gun? No, but you cannot use my left eye on a right handed gun! Well, I cant really feature you ever shooting a gun period. And Catherine Madison was one of the oldest survivors there and Im getting ready to show an interview that I did 20 years ago. Im going to just show you the raw footage I think it's about 30 minutes long and she is going to tell her side of the story. I got to know Katherine Madison whenever she moved to Austin, Texas back in about the mid-90s She moved in with Wyla and her family

38:49 And while it was associated with the Branch Davidians, we started having the Branch Davidians on our TV show. As you know I was the producer for Jeff Davis at that time later on Alex Jones and a bunch of other Patriot type people and we started having the branch Davidians on and boy did I learn A lot about what happened in 1993 on that attack that happened there. I got to know her very good, I got to love her as a mother or grandma she was such a great lady she would have been in her hundreds by now think she died 2009 and

39:41 This interview here tells the story about what she's seen on February 28th, 1993 and what she went through. Helicopters came in- Why don't you start over again? Okay Do you want to see all this? Yeah that's fine because it is the way it looks now The helicopters came from that direction and they were coming as they came David's room was here, extended. Like this is the building his rooms extended out on the south side and that's what they were pointing at They were pointing at his room And they came in shooting in a V formation I'll tell you, he just kept it up We're going to shoot the house over there Sir? One second It won't be... Okay go ahead

40:47 The house to the left, there's two houses there. The one to the left is where they shop shooters were and after things had gotten to the place where I was released from jail and they had this all encircled with a six-foot fence so you couldn't come down this way I walked around. I had to use the bathroom and I knew those houses were available, so asked if I could go in and they said yes So I went in and I walked that all over that house when I could see there you can see one two three windows to the left of the door and That's where they were sitting and shooting That building had

41:40 eight men that would come and go, sometimes they'd be quite a few there. Sometimes they would be gone and at the time I was living here and Wayne was in the... he was with us And I would go to Wayne and ask if you know about it? What about the people who were over there? Man, they're always there. You know? There's always somebody there." And he said I'll find out who they are and so he inquired and when they found out they told him that they were going to school over at GSTC Well their vehicles were exceptionally nice and most of them looked pretty new trucks and vehicles

42:39 And so when he told me that, we kind of laughed because we knew that if they had been going over a TSTC they wouldn't have that type vehicle. Because that is not a school that has people with money. They would be going to another college or another place for their instruction. But anyway they used to take our pictures and uh...that's where they did a lot of shooting from And it was a type of bus that you'd find on the road for long distance, like your greyhounds. And we used it quite a bit That was still in good shape after the fire although they had ramped the front of it but this was destroyed after the fire and I don't know who destroyed it but somebody came in and fired at it and tore all the pieces

43:44 Just like they ruined the other bus we had. See? No, this camera can't. Can you see that? Uh huh. See that there? That is razor wire! That is so sharp... You can hardly touch it. It will cut you They had some that was bigger. It was about twice the width of this, and that's what I was looking for but i don't see it here But they put the razor wire in front of the windows You know they said they wanted people to come out but they put the razor wire in front of the windows and there was no way people could come out of those windows which they could have crawled out at any time

44:35 with that wire there. That would have ripped them to pieces! You have no concept of how sharp that is I wish i could find the other and went into the barn, and could see where they had set up snipers there They also set up snipers in the ground where they dug uh...into the ground to make it actually looked like when you saw pictures of a war and people men had dug in so that watch the enemy and shoot them. We had snipers all around us, and there were two houses across the street that were in one of the houses they would set up so when 25 or 30 people came out on the back of a homeowner they were shot

45:33 And afterwards they took the... What was the vehicle they used to push him back into? No, it was a tank. It had a... Many of the people came out the back way because they knew if they came out front they'd be shot

46:11 And so they thought, well if they came out the back way they would escape the fire. But because of the snipers that were all around, they were shot and they were shot by experts. I feel sorry not only for the people that they're going to use but for the people are you then are using because i know what their end will be and i realize David comes back, there'll be a great change. And I am waiting for that day because I happen to know many things in the scriptures that I cannot tell right now He will tell it when he comes back and he's coming back you can bank on that

47:08 Hello folks, this is Mike Hanson here on Mike Hanson Archives on YouTube and here on my Facebook. And we're here at the 25th anniversary of the memorial service here in Waco Texas and we got Clive Doyle here can you tell us a little bit about what your thoughts are on the 25th anniversary? It's all right, everybody knows you. It's kind of hard to my daughter just died there. That's what I heard and we didn't put it out on the internet because we were asked not to this is first time people out here on my a lot of them don't know yet

48:08 That was your first daughter died at Mount Carmel and this was another daughter. This is my oldest daughter, she's the youngest that died in the fire. Karen was coming down had her plane booked she was coming down for the memorial. Ended up dying in a head-on collision by drunk driving People up in Pennsylvania saying it was deliberate, it wasn't an accident. Tried to run a cop off the road first I guess the cop avoided it tried to run down another woman and she avoided it Karen was third in line So... They say she died instantly which is

49:07 At least she didn't suffer too much. But seems like every year there's a few more that'll go. Yeah, it's just not many left Clive I'm so sorry for all the stuff that has happened to y'all and hopefully it will get better but you always say its gonna be better It will get worse before it gets better Here you have the remains of the church known in the media as The Compound. Now notice, they said they had to destroy it because of contamination of the ground As usual in Waco and Oklahoma City They destroyed the federal crime scene There you have the ATF flag flying below the Texas and United States flag A battle scene a military operation And here you have

49:57 a federal agent grimacing this young lady here. You see Clive Doyle, the man that I know is as gentle as a lamb being led by the federal agent to his jail cell. Here you have the people that were killed by special military forces, black ops squads, that is secret military squads that accompanied the feds we're told also some British Special Forces teams were inserted to kill all of the witnesses because they couldn't have witnesses of what happened and there of course the evidence before it was destroyed. The FBI and the BATF always bulldoze from Oklahoma City, to the World Trade Center bombing after they've done their handiwork This is Clive Doyle's daughter that did not deserve to be burned up in a building and shot as they tried to exit We're here with Clive Doyle one of the surviving Branch Davidians he came down couple months ago we really appreciate you coming down share

50:54 the information, the knowledge of your run-in with the New World Order and what you'd call Antichrist forces here in Waco Texas. I appreciate you having everybody out here what do you think about a Attorney General coming out here and speaking about what's happening in the police state? Well Ramsey Clark is been a great friend ever since he got onto our civil case, and he has spoken just about every year for the last three years. The fact that an attorney general has the gumption to get up and talk the way he did I think is a credit to his personality and his principles. Kind of like to see the day when Janet Reno would have enough gumption to come down here and say the same kind of things but maybe down the road

51:46 With respect to the use of military weapons, these pieces of equipment were unarmed as I understand it and were contracted, I mean it was like a good rent-a-car. A good rent-a-car? A tank going into the building? I thought it was an interesting development that we had an FBI negotiator that negotiated during the siege and actually came out... Is he gone? I'm not sure but this is the first time we've had a government agent or ex-government agent who's involved with the situation Did he apologize?

52:29 He did to me. I don't know that he did publicly in so many words What's his name? Ferris Rookstool. Oh, he was one of the guys on the phone wasn't he? FBI negotiated him Where is Ferris I don't see Ferris I'd love to ask him about that That didn't come out in a trial you're some kind of provocateur In fact your one of those FBI agents aren't ya? Hey we are in the middle of our interview right now I know personally I do not give a damn Well I dont give a damn about you either You're not going to anything to me These people are murderers These people are murderers. I'm sick and tired of hearing your lies when you machine gunned a bunch of men, women and children! You got a big problem buddy. You sit over here...I'm not afraid of you guys. I am a law abiding citizen And i'm sick of it! You sit over here and talk about how the children huddled in the corner? How all the ammunition they had is what killed them All the rest is your garbage

53:22 You ought to be ashamed of yourself. You don't stand up for the Constitution, you stand for zip not a zero! I heard that... You have no calm aplomb It's false my friend and let me tell ya A lot of people are writing down your names You can follow people around, you can harass people, you can back-up your banks or buddies But a revolution of peaceful information is coming And when it comes time, you people are going to brought to punishment Do you understand? Just like Nuremberg Just taking orders doesn't cut it my friend. Do you understand me?! I think I've assessed you. Yeah, oh you've assessed me? You listen! You can sit there and say some kind of little joke all your textbook garbage my friend i got people like General Partin ex-head of Air Force weapons development we know the federal government destroyed Oklahoma it's proven we know what you guys are engaged in just like Hitler burnt the Reichstag We know you brought Nazis over here through the rat line to set up our CIA after the OSS so

54:12 So you can't sit here, you can assess me all day. I want you to assess me! I've assessed YOU a smiley face slime ball that sits here in soft pedals and tries to placate the media Waco rules of engagement shows your agents machine gunning men women and children aged...as they tried to exit One of the inventors of flare technology worth hundreds of millions of dollars is on that documentary He is of the establishment Didn't you hear what I said? Didn't you hear what I said? No. Yeah, but we don't need this type of placating somebody coming in and saying oh i'm so sorry that we did this We don't need that! We need indictments Then you need to go and you need to call for indictment to Janet Reno Are you calling for an indictment of Janet Reno? No. Harriman-Guerin and Dragg Oh, so your not calling for Harriman-Guerin and Dragg? What about people who ran the tanks through this place? Over four years ago I was interviewing

55:02 Former and current CIA officials about the Delta Force murdering people in Waco, they were extremely concerned. That's now been borne out in the Dallas Morning News and other publications When are you finally going to come clean about the mass murderer using high-level Special operations killers to kill Americans for publicity. Very important. Number one about the Delta Force, number two Senator John Danforth your special counsel how can he be independent as you and others have said when he is appointed by you to investigate you? That's the question. Thank You The crowd giggled and laughed and Reno refused to answer the question makes you proud to be an American Well here you have it right here

55:49 We're told that the bunker was here where the children cowered, where they drove directly in with the tank and pumped in the CS gas at Point Blank Range. And then they pushed all the rubble over there. So the bunker was somewhere over in this area. This is just more a big brother. And we just went over to one of the FBI negotiators who's now over here soft pedaling things. I just... And he's not calling for indictments or Reno. Harriman, Goering and Dragg. Do you know all these slaves are going to get what they ask for? The IRS bending people over all day and all night It's a real pleasure to stand up to Big Brother and all his slimy cronies. Let's get out of here, I'm pretty sick! You know this better than me... To come attack children? Oh yeah This didn't need to happen it shouldn't have happened but apparently they had an agenda Do you think that there will be more state-sponsored terrorism like Waco? I don't think it's over my bible tells me that this beast makes war on God's people And overcomes them and kills them up until certain point Now I don't think we've seen the last of it So this is just the beginning

56:51 It seems that way. That's what my Bible tells me. The water tanks were had holes in the top and the only way the water tanks could have holes in the top was from the helicopters. Did you see helicopters firing? I did not see the helicopters firing. Did anyone see them? Catherine saw them, other people saw them, Marjorie Thomas who's from England who was badly burned she said that her testimony which she did a video deposition for the trial but it I don't think it ever played In its entirety but in that deposition she said Some of the girls were looking out the window on the north end in the tower and they were acting sort of agitated. So she walked over to look and see what they were looking at, and she looked out the window and jerked her head back because this helicopter was so close to the glass it scared her I mean it's so close

57:49 And as she jerked her head back, bullets came through and smashed the glass just where she'd been looking at it. So... And this is right there in the first assault? Right yeah this is part of the initial shooting I told that to the grand jury I was in the back of a building and three helicopters came in shooting what they were doing with peppering David's room so I know who shot the first shots And I told them who shot the first shots. Now by the time they get to the front of the building, see I saw two trailers come in and I was on the bottom floor and took newspapers up to my room threw them on the bed that I was going to lay down and read them That's when I heard the helicopters By the time they turned around to the front of the building and then turned to continue firing Then all hell broke loose there

58:53 When I went out into the corridor to leave, I left the 2nd of March with a tape that David made the 1st of March in the evening. When I walked out there wasn't a window that had any glass in it all the Venetian blinds were hanging on one side Now I know there was nobody at those windows because all the women lived in those rooms and they were on the floor over the children to protect them. And they said, They didn't shoot until they saw somebody in a window." All I have heard from you and from all of things that has been said by our wonderful government is lies. It makes me furious to think

59:57 that we had no enemies around us. None of our neighbors were our enemies and yet the government feels that it's right for them to come in and start shooting at us, and when David opened that door to let them in and asked them not to use their guns because of the women and children, that's when they started shooting at him. That's when they started shooting in front And one of the men that I had worked with for years, and we traveled because of the things we were publishing. He was one that was shot and when I tried to find out what the government said about his body they tried to tell me he had committed suicide and his stomach was just as smooth as babies yet he had four or five bullets in it

1:01:03 because I talked with one of the men that held his hand while he was screaming. They came in not even caring about the people in their own country, they wouldn't use that gas on their worst enemy because it was against the law! So what law did you come in on? I haven't heard you say one thing that gave you the right to come in. Don't say it was for guns

1:01:40 It was not. Now let me tell you a little story about the guns, there's two stories on it Henry was the one that gave us a license to work under him and the reason we did that is because we had called everyone in from all over the United States and all over the world because David was given this very deep study and you couldn't get it if you weren't there. Now, they had gone over to check him and when they got there they saw David Koresh, David Koresh, David Koresh, David Koresh... And they said who is this? He got on the phone and called David and David said tell him to come here! Tell them to come here I'll show em' I'll show em'. Do ya know what the answer

1:02:45 Brothers told him in the BATF, oh we don't want to do that. We don't want to do it like that! They knew you see there were no guns there except the ones that had been shipped in a box No ammunition nothing they're just just the plain guns and you know You can't do much with a gun unless it has some bullet in it and they were packed away nobody was plumb apart

1:03:25 And I don't think there was more than two or three guns there. Because, I know that Paul and his young son had taken everything we had to a gun show because that's what we were doing at that time so he could survive without someone having to go to work and believe me, the people where I lived were not riffraff and they weren't stupid We had people that graduated from Harvard. We had one of the girls that came from Canada, that worked for the United Nations as a linguist She also worked for the Canadian government For schools where she laid out policy for children to follow Most of them were from England, social workers They all have fairly good positions

1:04:27 Nothing mattered except they wanted to kill us all. Nobody wanted to kill you? When the... when the crowd was... Guns were found, ammunition was found. There wasn't no guns found. Yes there was I'm sorry there was and your information about the helicopters and stuff like that You can look at the raw footage on that And you can see the helicopter and none of them ever got... I looked out the window and saw them! ...and so did Margie So did Margie. Well, first off how long were you in prison? I was in prison for 12 years 7 months okay well what charges the original charges were conspiracy to commit murder against federal agents aiding and abetting murder of federal agents carrying a weapon during a commission of a crime

1:05:51 conspiracy to manufacture automatic weapons and aiding and abetting the manufacturing of automatic weapons. Okay, now where were you on the first day of the attack on Waco? I was actually 100 miles away in Austin Texas And did you ever go to the Mount Carmel facility during any of the 51 days? No, I did not. When I came back from Austin that evening the perimeter was already secured they wouldn't allow me past... They had a barrier there outside probably two miles back from the property Okay now how then

1:06:34 The main question then is how do you go from being charged with all these conspiracies that kill federal agents and all this stuff when you're a hundred miles away at a gun show in Austin, Texas? How does that... Well I mean it's the way the law is. They say if you have knowledge of something they are going to hold you as responsible as the person who pulls the trigger but You got to remember it was a pretty political trial. They needed their pound of flesh, there was a certain amount of survivors younger people like myself at the time I was in my early 30's so they had to take and get their pound of flesh and they wanted somebody to be responsible for what happened And it just happened that they uh...they got this small group of people that survived So then I was one of them. So the bottom line is you spent 12 years in prison

1:07:31 for these phony charges and you weren't even on location at Mount Carmel during any of the 51 days. No I wasn't, i think the thing is again It was a political trial. They were trying to find make somebody responsible for the tragedy they didn't want to take responsibility for their actions, so They put these charges on where there was 12 of us and we fought for our innocence We went through the judicial system. We hoped that there would be justice served and You saw the outcome I guess it wasn't justice but

1:08:14 You know, we try to leave it in God's hands at this point and be thankful that we're here where we are now. You have an incredible story. I appreciate it. Thank you very much for this. Alright thank you. Okay sir? What do think about the... how many people still in prison? We've still got political prisoners. At least 11. Eleven Davidians that are still in prison at this time. Well yeah about eleven Because one is coming out very soon. We need to press for their release don't you think? I hope we can make it because they have so much They have made that there the amount that they owe so high That even if million point two right even if they come even they can't they have to do the 40 years from what I understand and

1:09:06 And even if they do the 40 years and they don't pay the money that the government says they owe, They're going to be charged so many years in jail for so much money. Which would be... They'd be there forever! By the way, they were found innocent of a conspiracy to murder a federal agent Oh yes, there was no conspiracy and you know There was no murder that they talked about. If you have the opportunity to look at some of the tapes that I've seen, you would realize there was no murder. Some of them talk about friendly fire on some of the tapes? What's friendly fire? They shot each other? You remember that first day when

1:09:59 sense that they were gone, they weren't coming back. There was no Mount Calm to go back to there's nobody calling you on the phone and they were not alive anymore And you found yourself wondering how are we going live? How are you gonna deal with it because God has always been there for you You say well I can get through it but thankfully years have passed But you can get through this and as me who're getting through all of the different things with the book We knew that we went from the very beginning to the times when we had a husband and children, and then into life at Mount Carmel. And then you experience fire in all these different things. It's just that hope that you are going be able go on each day trusting God and hopefully see them all again That is what this book is about The whole situation from how I first met Seventh Day Adventist

1:10:58 David and all these different things. And this is what this book is about, and it has pictures also in the middle of pictures that I've drawn about the people and there's different experiences like...I wanted to remember them some of the things that some of the people or some of the situations experience while I was during the siege and so, I thought the best thing would do is to just draw some things. And I'd get up in the middle of the night sometimes I was drawing things and going how am i drawing these scenes that have been so painful for me? Yeah that would be good

1:11:36 And I decided, I don't have to make this look so good because it's supposed to look ugly. The other one I did was a little darker but the fact is they had no arms and no legs and this is not little pretty girls like these 18 year old girls. They do not... This is not the way you want them to look. I realized every child looked different. Every child came out of that fire Whether they were under a blanket and they were being protected by their mother each child was different. Some children you could tell the clothes, and other children said that heads fell off in their hands. But this is... The majority of people came out looking like this And as a result I think we should realize that it's a horrible thing

1:12:34 My name is Cyrus. I was eight years old when i died, I was burned alive at Mount Carmel April 19th 1993 This one that picture of the Waco the new revelation to show the bodies of the children It's burnt too crisp no recognition This how I used to look He had blond hair blue eyes freckles he's a cute little guy very smart very intelligent He says why didn't I get a chance to grow up? You know, why couldn't they have had a chance to come and see all this? To know that so many people cared. It's enough that his dad would've died but to think he could have been alive to seeing all the things that people were considering... The different things that happened. We have one here as a native. Sherry and Michelle. These are three girls who were burned at Mount Carmeline for 1993

1:13:35 You don't know what they look like, but we know that the understanding I have is the remains is what they came up with a lot of these young children. These are three girls who were best friends at 18 years old and a few months from being 19 to try to talk and be with each other. Oh yeah. We're out here it's week 17

1:14:12 And I'm digging around out here in some of the rubble piles. We've been digging up household implements, knives, forks, scissors, batteries and a lot of fragments from government grenades and tear gas rounds. We're also finding a lot of different .50 cal rounds, 2-2-3 round from conventional firearms really interesting and historical It's too bad the feds came out here and scraped away most topsoil took the pieces of the storm shelter, the storage area inside where they killed children with a shape charge and shipped it off to a landfill outside Waco and covered it up with concrete. We're trying to dig up what we can out here while we are constructing new sanctuary. Very historical and its great to be apart of it. Came out here and were just looking around at that pile of rubble by the driveway

1:15:07 I was getting a cup of coffee and he found it. He said this is the base of the round, and this is what's left of the propellant right here. And he said that's flammable. He really didn't say a whole lot about it to me but he got on Tommy's website in the chat room told Tommy Cook a whole bunch of stuff about it. And, uh... Tommy's here maybe you can talk to him in a little bit and he can tell you what Glenn had said. Something right here Ed! Okay. Find something here. Look at that, look at that busker. That's Grandma. That is Grandpa. He's doing better.

1:16:36 Kids playing just like it used to be, huh ma'am? She remembers when her other children... the children she took care of every day. Yes Ma'am I bet she does! They've all been somebody who we used to see everyday in the hallways and see their mothers taking care of them See this paper All these different things Talk about how they died Yes Ma'am And they talk about how they had bottles clutching all melted to them It's a horrible thought Yes Ma'am

1:17:15 Something that you can't dwell on much at all. No ma'am. Put yourself at a stop sign and say, okay I've gone as far as it can go. You can't think too much more about this than find something to do with it. Yeah, I don't think you had it finished. Oh yay! You got any? No, are you cooking them yet? Yeah, this is Clive Doyle's mother. And us and the people that know these people we call her Grandma Edna. Grandma Edna do you have any opening statements or comments you'd like to make to the viewers of the program tonight?

1:18:19 Well, I'm just hoping that the people of America will wake up to know that they've got a government that's running this country without to destroy those who don't go along with them. And the weapon at Waco is not the last you've seen it. It's going to continue on until God comes down and finishes the work himself So you... I want to just, you oughta comment on that. I would agree with everything she said there that there is a government in place now that is out to destroy anybody who's righteous and if they proved it? Yeah well thats what the scriptures teach That's right There are powers that wanna do away with God's people They wanna persecute make war on them And unfortunately the scripture predicts that they will overcome and kill them for a period of time

1:19:07 until the judgment sits and God intervenes. And then when in the end we win, or the righteous people win... It says that the kingdom will be given to the saints In fact I heard you my first introduction to you Edna was on a Day 51 video and I think you were sitting there with either probably Woody Kendrick or one of these people maybe I've got it confused now but Somebody asked somebody one of the Davidians about do you think Jesus is coming soon? And you said... I was in front of the courthouse after the trial was over in Clare and somebody was saying, Do you think David will come back? Yeah. The sooner the better. Right. And I'm still saying that asking God please hurry up and send David back and put an end to all this terrible violence people are ruling this world and nobody seems inclined to want to stop it That's the pity of it all People are just sitting taking it

1:19:58 Who started the militia in this country? Bill Clinton. Because he sits in a position where he... He brought about a position where people are afraid, so they take up arms for self-defense Why shouldn't they? Who wants somebody bashing in their home and kicking things around And just stand to... No way. My home anyway Grandma, do you have any thoughts about this? We hear rumors about this new world order that... Sure there's a new world order. The devil is going to bring one in which is coming almost into existence now and God has got one which is far better and that's the one I'm waiting for. I don't want anything to do with Satan or the people who let him use them

1:20:43 I agree. So all I have to say is, death to the New World Order. Long live the Constitution and the Republic and we shall prevail ladies and gentlemen! Death to the New World Order. Long live the Constitution We can, we must, and we will prevail This is just one small symbol against the tyrannical elements of this government that are pushing themselves in the forefront

1:21:26 of the world today, ladies and gentlemen. It's the right thing to do and this is a big deal as we raise this first wall coming up here in just a few minutes so again God bless you! And this is very important what you've done You're all part of history It's good to let the shadier elements of this system understand that demonizing a group of people before you murder them using Army Special Operations forces is not acceptable, at least not here in America. Maybe in Nazi Germany but not here in America! We're Americans and we stand up against this type of tyranny and to raise the American flag over the church after they'd burned it to ground... That was another abhorrent action

1:22:04 as they appropriated our sacred symbols for their own evil aims. We're taking those symbols back, ladies and gentlemen! They are symbols! They're America's symbols!! God bless you all! Thank you! Hi folks! We're out here in Mount Carmel with David Koresh's brother Good afternoon sir, how are you? I'm doing just great. That's good uh we're at the trailer park what do you think about what were doing out here? I think it's great and positive. It's a positive step? Yes it is Yeah alot of us they try to claim that we're correct supporters or something but when we try to tell them we just think what happened out there was wrong and were trying to help right it. Thats all What do you think? I agree totally with ya. I think its been a long time coming Has been a long time coming

1:22:51 We're certainly glad to see you out here. I think this is just the beginning Yes, sir yeah, I do too. I'm afraid They had snipers in our dairy barn up at the back of his property from 730 in the morning they were out here two hours before the truck or HF drove him away We also had three helicopters involved in the initial raid. And I guess their purpose outside of shooting up our water supply and David's room, some of the factories... You're saying they opened fire? Now from different stories basically we get the idea that who fired first, the PATF or the helicopters? Well it depends where you were in the building. People at the back that's the first thing they heard was the helicopters. Some of us up front we heard them at the front door

1:23:38 According to what some of the ATF said, because I don't always trust their testimony but the ones that got out of the first truck up here when they testified in court they said they heard it initially at the front door. They assumed it was there guys taking care of the dogs So the BATF has claimed on the record that they fired first, but just to take out these dangerous dogs. Well they didn't say first but thats where they heard it first and thats what they said they assumed because... Oh! They assumed? That's what it was. That is was their guys taking out the dogs can you tell us about this vicious dog had to be executed

1:24:14 a female malamute, a husky. She was chained to our flagpole which is about right where that post is she was checked by the pence that led up to the front door. She had four pups who were not quite a year old, about 8 or 9 months old and then she had another litter in her kennel And of course she's barking because they're shooting her pups. Oh, they were shooting the puppies? The older pups yeah. That's loving! They said that they was fragging cause they bit their teeth you know So they shoot the mother because she got upset. I thought she was chained though? She was chained to the fly farm and they were all in a pen, they couldn't get out. I'm just sleeping a little bit easier Clive knowing that these right wing animals are taking out as soon as possible. Oh yeah. As far our children are safe. Well Clive first raid

1:25:08 That day, all the horrific behavior happens. So Delta Force was basically back there from the information we had on the APCs on the final night people were trying to exit through the gymnasium area. Over here where this concrete slab is part of where the gymnasium was but what they were doing coming up between the gymnasiums and swimming pool that's where they're shooting from over in that driveway. Anybody coming out the back So basically anybody and they had Sierra one was over there, correct? Okay. What's the era to Sierra three? I'm not real sure but they had snipers in that flat

1:25:55 So they had a berm created on top of the trench system. Sounds loving! Well, we got a lot of people working hard I'm in the midst of a huge allergy attack today my brain's not working too well We want to thank Clive Doyle for talking to us He is one of the hardest workers out there getting this job done You got the Air Force base right there Jimmy. I've seen that. Zoom in on that if you want. A loving Air Force base down there We support our military, we don't still support them slaughtering American people Yeah it's Texas whatever is it? Training center yeah for the air force Supposedly training center It is also quite good for clandestine activity Kind of like me and Arkansas Bill Clinton a couple months before he go elected

1:26:49 came and visited the power production plant, power plant right over there. And that's confirmed by the Waco paper that he overlooked the area and they assessed it we have a lot of evidence has come out now that they were planning this prosecution against the Colts of America. Were helicopters used in his second and final assault? Well, they definitely had planes taking this infrared or this flare tape. Some say there was a fixed wing some say there was helicopter... They were buzzing the building throughout with these jet-type helicopters these black ones throughout the 51 days. Well even though we see these black and dark green helicopters media tells us that they don't exist do they exist?

1:27:30 You know you have photographs in here of them. What would you say to the public out there? I don't know where they get the idea that they don't exist, it's... I guess it is the same place that they say never fly with their doors open when you can see footage right through them It looks to me like some sort of, and I'm not even joking around a surveillance helicopter because you'll notice on the nose of the helicopter there's kind of a reflection of light. I don't know if you can see that on the video and i could tell you from my stint in the military that it is indicative of surveillance equipment cameras The light reflects off the multiple lenses they have and clearly that's some sort of military helicopter I'm getting it, Alex. Again there's no mistaking it. I refueled aircraft while I was in the Air Force. I saw helicopters and various aircraft on a daily basis and again that is indicative of the multiple lenses that are on surveillance equipment they mount to the nose of various aircraft from F-4s different helicopters

1:28:32 There's standard surveillance cameras, also infrared FLIR they call it forward looking infrared radar and there is just no doubt in my mind the glint off of the reflection which I hope you caught on the video Well, there's no mistaking it. That is exactly where they put that surveillance equipment. Now let us look at the militarization. There they are with the children were huddled and now new evidence shows that they sent in a special ops team with special breathing apparatus to kill everyone inside their and placed mine on top of building here you can see them looking down through hole Here is more FBI provocateur agents

1:29:14 destroying evidence. And here you have the equivalent of MJTF FBI squads, these are who are training with your local law enforcement in their German style 1993 Kevlar helmets Here you have some the other FBI teams that stole evidence from the Tarrant County coroner's examiner's office and that's in Waco rules of engagement well documented here you have some more the tough guy behavior we can't show you the photographs of them exposing their genitalia to the children during the 30th day at a siege they did quite a bit about but here is a real tough guy, he can fire into building filled with men women and children while he wears body armor my as heat up. And of course here is some more

1:29:58 BATF, you know they shot someone who was driving into the house that day as they came down the road. The first day that the conflagration of terror began and here you have another tough guy with a automatic weapon A HK, a deadly German fully automatic weapon That is an ATF US government terrorist. And of course here you have the Bradley fighting vehicle, a medium tank and they also had Abrams, the premier frontline battle tank here for this group of citizens who had invited the BATF no less than twice to come out and inspect their firearms and the government never found any illegal weapons They got a false search warrant, they lied, violated posse commentatis totally unconstitutional This is a police state

1:30:47 This was the first day of the standoff. This is where federal police came up, secret police came up and began firing into the front door when David Koresh opened it they killed several people when they opened fire and injured David Koresh as he held his hands up They then called 911 repeatedly this is all on the 911 tapes until we're being fired on Helicopters surrounded the area And were firing into the structure through the roof Here you have the structure before it was destroyed. Here you have the ATF firing as fast as they can down here, firing into the structure with absolute wanton abandonness and then you have people who are in full body armor firing at men

1:31:31 at men, women and children who had committed no crime. And then you have them sitting here crying sorrowfully over a BATF agent that was shot. We're sorry that happened but when you wear black ski mask and you come into somebody's home well I'll say what G Gordon Liddy said aim for the head. The BATF pulled up in cattle cars fully exposed if the Davidians were waiting to ambush them like a lot of mainstream media made-for TV television propaganda shows propaganda is the people right here you have the structure and the BATF came up knock on the door and Koresh raised his hands and said stop let's talk about this we have women and children they opened fire so on the FBI zone tapes into the front of the structure. This is even the edited tapes, and the door that's disappeared

1:32:20 Lawyers and people that went inside said the bullets were going in from the outside. You can tell this for novices out there, when a bullet hits a metal door it makes a small hole going in and large hole going out So this again government sponsored terrorism in your country There is Serenity C Jones April 19th 1993 age 4 murdered by MJTF military police forces under Clinton's command One more thing. If all I say is a lie, why isn't the government coming in prison to me? Because they don't want an investigation They don't want me to bring out some type of trial all the information Our government is blowing up buildings and murdering churches You know there's a common thread in all this from Oklahoma City To World Trade Center bombing to of course Waco They always destroy evidence and don't let locals in to document anything What do they have to hide

1:33:15 This was some murderous cult, as the TV shows told us. Then what did they have to hide? Why do they always destroy the remains? This building was burnt to the ground but they still bulldozed the entire foundation and pushed it up in a heap! in a monument to the wreckage of the police state. Welcome to The New World Order! We're standing at the entrance to the underground bus, the bunker that they had built because they believed in times of tribulation they would need something like this well... They ran over with tanks and crushed the entrance so they couldn't get into their underground bunker

1:33:52 And as a result, the men women and children died. Also one of the tanks drove inside the structure and this is even admitted to by the FBI... ...and there was a inside area where they stored food that was concrete They thought that was the safest area because most of the structure was wood right over there They drove directly in and pumped CS gas, a banned form chemical weapon point-blank range into children's faces They don't make gas masks that fit 2 & 3 & 4 year old children my friends This is incredible. No matter what propaganda you want to believe, those babies did not deserve to be murdered by the black ski mask thugs We're here with Bonnie Haldeman and David Koresh's mother And there is quite a crowd out here today To lend support and try to keep the memories alive of people that did die just trying to live their lives How do you feel five years after the tragedy?

1:34:47 Well, I feel pretty much like it did the same you know the day it happened. The great loss and injustice of what was done here to American people in their home, their church and their family. I've seen you her today and talked to you something seemed like a really gentle nice woman and that makes me think even more so than all stories we heard in the controlled media were lies about your son They were lies they were lies because he was a kind gentle person too loved people His main goal in life was to help, you know save people's souls and he didn't like anybody to be unkind to anybody else.

1:35:25 And he also told the BATF to come on over two weeks before. He did, he told them several times to come out they were in a gun shop one day and found out that they were there asking about him and he said tell him come on over. The sheriff knew it? Sheriff Harwell knew him. The sheriff of this county said that he was a good guy and wasn't bothering anybody and this was a good community out here. He had come out here many times you know just in and talk to David, and Sheriff Harwell told me last year he said I'm sure I'm sorry Bonnie what happened if anything I can do for you. Well there you have it Attorney General's sheriffs here in Waco the sheriff here in Waco It just goes on and on FBI crime lab chiefs

1:36:09 We're here at the BOSS Conference Town Hall meeting and I'm joined by Mr. Lester Gibson who is a County Commissioner in McLennan County which Waco is inside your county, and I had asked him the question off the air and he's going to answer it now if he was aware of what his comments would be finding out that roughly 33% of people that died in the church in Waco were black I'm aware of that particular figure and I knew Martin who was an attorney in that particular country. We know Sheila by the way, we're good friends with Sheila So i am aware there were sufficient number of African Americans who perished in the fire And does it... what were your feelings when..I gotta tell you I was pretty upset

1:37:00 just not hearing any outrage either publicly or from public officials about what transpired there because you can say what you will about the adults but there were women and children that died there that were all innocent. Maybe some of the adults we're guilty as something, but the children every one was innocent What was your reaction to the fact that there were no public officials, white or black that came out and said hey wait a minute tanks on babies. I'd be interested in hearing your response to that? Number one it was televised nationally everybody in the world

1:37:35 saw what was going on, everybody could formulate their own opinion and that's something that was exposed. And the opinion itself you understand basically could have been forthcoming such as the opinion now we got with President Clinton it wasn't a spin that the media wanted to put on it and therefore you got the spin you understand they want American public To see and to see. Just that's all I'd be interested in getting you a videotape, but if you're aware there is a documentary out called Waco Rules of Engagement Have you seen that FLIR footage? The area is in my precinct okay, I'm county commissioner for the precinct too. So I am aware of the footage

1:38:19 uh... with the film stuff like that but what would it be a list of media put this ban on you understand who owns the media so i don't control it uh... i can't give the spin uh... was back there what happened out i think it's important to know and i'm glad you're here in in listening this is a we try What the theme of what we saw in the town hall here was to educate. And what people do once they have that education, I can no longer control but I do have some control over the fact that many people haven't been educated to many of the facts that we just spoke of and as they learn there's Harvard Law graduates in their, a lot of people think these are a bunch of crazies

1:39:00 you mentioned knowing Mr. Martin, I mean Harvard Law graduate for goodness sake this is not a crazy kooky person and when we learn i think as the black community particularly learns that thirty three percent of those people that died were in fact black I think suddenly they realize that's the situation where it wasn't just about crazy white people there was people all races and ethnicities in there and I like to educate people with that fact let them make their own decisions choices that it was a great number of women, a great number of children. All ethnic groups but in regards to your question about African-Americans you had a great number who were released. That's right. Well listen I appreciate your time Mr. Lester Gibson and your County Commissioner and precinct what? Precinct too

1:40:02 Okay folks, we're back here with Sheila Martin and she is a Waco survivor. And I want to... how did you think the 24th anniversary went this year. She thought was very interesting having them the pictures with the names that made oh That was a great yes, great show you put on this year helped you to see that These were real people at these they all had very pleasant faces They were very young it's one thing you recognize and And they all were from different places and different nationalities. And y'all made it clear this year, I always thought that was a really good point why Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton and all these people never took up for the minority black people here that was here like one third of the people were black here right? How come I never heard from Jesse Jackson

1:40:55 But if you got one person beat up on the street out here, you've got 2,000 people on the street protesting. We sure didn't have a lot of protests when y'all were being violated here. Y'all were actually... your family was actually murdered in my opinion So I and I just wanted to Always show you every year. So, you know we get a little grayer every year You stay the same Sheila you say the same for 24 years? You've looked the same How do you stay so young? And and let me just point back at the church here I

1:41:33 I'm so glad that God had his hand on that church because a tornado hit it. You know that, right? That's what they're saying and I would hate something to happen to that church because that church was a lot of work for us to build it and you were there hammering too over the years What took seven months to build we started, you know we started that 17 years ago September 19 1999 and then We dedicated it to y'all seven months later on April 19

1:42:11 2000, year 2000. That was 17 years ago and now we're at 24 years! Yes Next year is going to be 25? I at least get to see you once a year yes that's right God bless you Sheila Thank You And I saw your daughter she how old is your daughter now 28 oh my god yes God and how old was she or your daughter when all this for All right, well God bless y'all. And let me just say something to you all here I hope you all put a good story together and get the truth out here what happened here at Mount Carmel because the truth has not all came out yet Sheila. You keep talking. Remember when you were on Extra?

1:42:50 about 17 years ago or something? Now that's the first time they ever had any truth come out and it was on one of those tablet shows you know, that extra TV show hard copy or whatever you were on. That was good hope y'all do the same bye! Such a beautiful girl while Clive Doyle simmers fellow Davidian Sheila Martin suffers She lost her husband and four of her children in that holocaust. I call it murder, that's what i call it. Okay they're telling me to hurry up okay uh are you there caller? Am I on yes go right ahead okay we got Catherine Madison she's a Mount Carmel survivor okay I was wondering um why didn't everyone just walk out as soon as the federal agents arrived the first day if there was any type of government

1:43:35 agent or local agent, or whatever. Why didn't people just walk out of the compound and stand outside? If there was going to be some type of government murder on a bunch of people then it would have been obvious when everybody is laying their dead. I think it was very obvious to see what happened. Well, I mean...I just don't understand if everybody decided you know... Let me ask you a question? She wants to ask you questions, okay! You're in your home with your family and all of the sudden somebody comes to your house and surrounds it and starts the fire at you are you going to come out

1:44:20 uh... i don't think so well i mean there was a lot of media that it would hard when me and her with but what i guess about the top of the in a place with a hundred people are still and uh... budget police drove up and told us to walk out who is shooting at him without asking for the polls are not telling they started did not tell us how well i thought she saw the house now knocking at the time after all my flight there wasn't says that i would be any media salary issue with the white flag you know messages saying we surrender you know whatever uh... there was no attempt to just kind of they really well have you done any investigation at all on this third time okay okay here's my second point okay if that's it that's the case where he could leave everything looked like that and it's always evidently happenings were better than what

1:45:12 then is there not an attorney who would take your case and you could sue the government? We're doing that. Sir, we're trying to... sir we are trying to do that Have you ever seen Constantine Wyeth? I didn't see it until just a very short time ago. They had that right up to the windows, they couldn't have gone out the windows, they couldn't have gone out the door... You couldn't get out of there! Now they said they put it around to keep people... They didn't say whether going in or coming out

1:45:48 I say, you couldn't get in or out of that place. Well, I'm not going to say that... Ramsey Clark and the billion dollar lawsuit sir. They are suing. Ramsey Clark and the billion dollar lawsuit. That's what they got going on right now. That's right. Okay well I believe if your successful with that lawsuit then everybody's eyes will be opened to what really happened and they will be able to hear both sides of the story. I wish you luck with that too. I felt the same way you did a year ago. And since I've been looking into this, uh...I found out a lot of things that does not match up with what the government's saying but anyway go right ahead we're gonna try to get one more call in before i have to make an announcement hurry. Catherine thanks for being on tonight all of us here in Austin appreciate it. I think the ATF oughta crack down on all the fraternity houses where are all the real drugs and fornications going on

1:46:43 Okay. More information on the 51-day siege continues to surface, some Austinites packed up their tools today and headed north of I35 towards Waco Their mission is to build a church on the grounds of Mount Carmel Lisa Hannah has the story After just a week of planning dozens of volunteers from across the state gathered at Mount Carmel to build a church It's a project that was started by Austin radio talk show host Alex Jones. We're going to build this church back, I've talked to the Vagabranch Davidians and they concur with my idea of having it be a church and at the same time a memorial and museum for what happened right here on this very ground in 1993

1:47:29 It's called the Phoenix Project, a church that will rise from the ashes of the Branch Davidian compound. I think it is important that we have a place to worship again after our church was destroyed. Volunteers are doing all the work. Volunteer such as Austin contractor Mike Hanson We just think its the right thing to do Jones says the 50 by 50 foot church is more than just a building. He says it's a symbol of what happened here more than six years ago. Jones calls it an attack on religious freedom. Todays effort was organized by syndicated radio talk show host Alex Jones, he says rebuilding the church will be a statewide effort

1:48:08 And so now a large group of people here in Austin, we're going to be met by others in Waco and Temple and surrounding areas in Central Texas are all going to travel to Mount Carmel the site of the fiery conflagration in 1993. To rebuild the church sanctuary area out of the Mount Carmel complex And the church is expected to be completed in about three months. We're just thankful to God that there are certain people in this country who still got a spirit of assistance and wanting to do something to show their sympathy and concern for what happened here, and we appreciate it.

1:48:46 Plans call for the new site to hold a new 30 by 40 foot white frame church. It's expected to be completed in two, three months. A scene of mass destruction becomes a foundation for a new beginning good evening I'm Kim Barnes and I'm Bill Scott Austin volunteers are rebuilding a chapel on the side of the branch Davidian compound near Waco The compound burned down in 1993 after 51 day standoff between Davidians and federal agents Davidian leader, David Koresh and about 80 followers died. KB24's Joel Thomas reports on the new plans for the property I've known the Branch Davidians a long time and i think they're good God-fearing people. I think they were demonized. Most are galvanized by the thought that federal government murdered The Davidians, videotaped deputies who come to hurry them along They don't trust law enforcement anymore or the media with donated materials and labor Take exit number three nine They receive directions head to ground zero We're gonna rebuild it!

1:48:08 And so now a large group of people here in Austin, we're going to be met by others in Waco and Temple and surrounding areas in Central Texas are all going to travel to Mount Carmel the site of the fiery conflagration in 1993. To rebuild the church sanctuary area out of the Mount Carmel complex And the church is expected to be completed in about three months. We're just thankful to God that there are certain people in this country who still got a spirit of assistance and wanting to do something to show their sympathy and concern for what happened here, and we appreciate it.

1:48:46 Plans call for the new site to hold a new 30 by 40 foot white frame church. It's expected to be completed in two, three months. A scene of mass destruction becomes a foundation for a new beginning good evening I'm Kim Barnes and I'm Bill Scott Austin volunteers are rebuilding a chapel on the side of the branch Davidian compound near Waco The compound burned down in 1993 after 51 day standoff between Davidians and federal agents Davidian leader, David Koresh and about 80 followers died. KB24's Joel Thomas reports on the new plans for the property I've known the Branch Davidians a long time and i think they're good God-fearing people. I think they were demonized. Most are galvanized by the thought that federal government murdered The Davidians, videotaped deputies who come to hurry them along They don't trust law enforcement anymore or the media with donated materials and labor Take exit number three nine They receive directions head to ground zero We're gonna rebuild it!

1:49:47 Waco. At the Davidian compound, the work begins even as the convoy pulls in. Plans are for a modest chapel. We anticipate at least three months for the construction process. They build on the very site where America saw a shootout I think it's sad that a lot of people don't really care, you know what happened here Seeing the battered rubble here staggers even those who've studied the standoff As they reflect on what happens there is a sense even students of Waco Don't know the entire message It's not the same...I want to live here

1:50:31 But I need a trailer to do it and i don't have money. You would come back out here and live like that? You bet I would in a week! Watson walks into Memorial Grove, each withered tree planted for someone who died here there is still the lonely vigil for David Koresh's return only feeling no one from outside of the compound can ever understand. I'll tell you when helicopters come after you and you see them, and you hear them. And you know what they're doing." That's a entirely different story. Even so one of the workers who drove here from Austin says he feels like he is building a future tourist stop...a sort of Alamo for the Branch Davidians but one of the Branch Davidians who was here tells me that's okay after all he says the only chapel they really need in heaven in Waco Joel Thomas KVU 24 News

1:51:28 Good morning Mike. I got you already. The early people... He's with channel 8 And he's with Channel 42. We're in the Capitol Plaza, that's Capitol Plaza! Well as you can see it's about 10 after 7 by 7 30 we'll probably have about twice this number of people good Patriots standing up against this massive witch hunt was conducted unsuccessfully I might add in 1993 what we're witnessing is a large group of Americans

1:52:20 attempting to go away. Hey, I'm being told not to film and I wouldn't do it. What? She came over here and said she came over here instead. I couldn't feel. She just wanted us to feel the love number. Sorry about that. I'm sorry we're used to this trust What you're seeing is a group of Texas Americans standing up against the police state, standing up against what happened to the Branch Davidians who were demonized back in 1993. The basic cover-up with the federal government and we're now witnessing media and many others finally realizing that we've all been liars and we've all been conned. Now the Branch Davidians have never changed their story they've always told the truth and that's been borne out in the past six years

1:53:20 And so now a large group of people here in Austin, we're going to be met by others in Waco and Temple and surrounding areas of Central Texas are all going to travel to Mount Carmel the site of the fiery conflagration in 1993. To rebuild on the church sanctuary area out at the Mount Carmel complex What exactly happened there in 1993? If you could just give it to me What happened in 1993 was basically the BATF wanted to get their funding increased. They were out there with four cameras, they had a hundred man assault team that went in and basically opened fire first. They were going there wanting blood! They only had an arrest warrant for David Koresh and they could have picked him up any time in town but didn't choose to do that. They sent in 100-man assault force

1:54:11 Open fire, helicopter gunships came in. And this is something that really hasn't been told but we have the video evidence of it actually happening And then 51 days later, after psychological warfare and basic torture. When people would try to leave they would have flashbang grenades thrown at them Now the Texas Ranger Report shows this They were basically contained The Army Special Operations Delta Force was sent in with the FBI's hostage rescue teams From the internal Delta Force memos that have now been confirmed to be real via the Freedom of Information Act It showed that they discussed in the memos violence of action basic arrest situation, not a hostage situation. They went in there to basically according to the Dallas Morning News take them out and in special forces terms and most people know what take them out means but for the special forces term it means kill them

1:55:00 What exactly are you going to do today? How much are you going get done today? Yesterday we were out there and surveyed the area, put stakes in the ground. We're basically going to dig a foundation, pour it down and that's the most important stage of any building project then in the next few weeks we'll move forward start building superstructure And I would say within two and a half to three months you'll have a fully functional sanctuary there for the surviving Branch Davidians, and for a monument to what happened in 1993. With the police and the military all working in concert attacking any group of people it's horrible! Then to see them demonized where they were demonized and all that has been now disproven is really a frightening trend in this country In fact its reminiscent of Nazi Germany

1:55:48 And so we need to focus on that and have a historical perspective about how dangerous it is when you have these type relationships forming. The news media fell for it, big time didn't they? A lot of Americans fell for it. The news media was held back two and a half miles, the only footage we got was a German newscam on a 24-foot platform amongst ranch land from far distance with super zoom lens and all we got was the very front and incidentally that probably saved Clyde Doyle's and David Thibodeau's lives because that The only people that survived were those who got out the front and side where the news cameras could actually get some footage. Everyone that was hurted towards the back by the tanks, that actually went inside died We now have the actual flare footage of the Delta Force and the hostage rescue teams shooting at people as they tried to exit Now what do you folks need to complete this mission?

1:56:42 We need people to donate time and materials, and yes if they want money we will just go buy the materials we need. And then deliver them as central points like this morning That's all we need is peoples' time and peoples energy and peoples heart. And were going be able say certain elements of government that would try to engage in a cover up and smear campaign against American citizens We would say to them that this is about standing up and saying the people of Central Texas, the people of America are firmly against this type behavior. Well it's about freedom of religion and free exercise thereof The Davidians have never changed their story And government has

1:57:48 Well, ever since it happened. And as time goes on I began to realize this was basically a witch hunt about getting more funding for the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms and what happened here was wrong we've got an Air Force base over here We've got a great observation tower over there. We have nice little undercover houses They picked this place It was perfect area to basically ambush a group of innocent people and start initiating America into the modern police state Let's talk about today Sure. Well, for years coming to the remembrances we've talked about trying to do something for the Davidians but it was all talk and finally myself and Mike Hanson said look let's just do it I think we can get people behind that I think there are enough people in Central Texas that care and realize what happened was wrong

1:58:45 So we put it together, in fact we started announcing it last Monday and here we are on Sunday as we said. We would have a lot of great people that shown up more or other way from Dallas and Fort Worth right here in Waco and Temple Austin all areas in between and were going to build this church back I've talked to the Valley Branch Davidians and they concur with my idea to have it be a church at the same time a memorial and museum for what happened right here on this very ground in 1993. I believe there's only four Davidians out here today, surviving branch Davidians. Now these are just concerned citizens from here in Texas and from all across America people who were hearing about this saying that they're going to come for at least part of the construction so this is mainly a volunteer effort Central Texas showing the world that hey we think what happened here was wrong these people's constitutional rights were violated they were stamped as criminals and

1:59:48 paraded before the press and basically demonized. And I don't even blame the press for that, it was the government! They held the media back two-and-a-half miles and then engaged in their demonization program. We're here to say hey enough is enough we're not going to talk about this anymore we are here to support these people and support America that's what America is about. What's the time frame in terms of what you guys are doing today? Well, we have built another home for a veteran in Austin Texas Joe Campana. We did that in 14 days of city record and it's fully furnished because the bulldozers were coming they condemned his old home and said he wasn't going to help him That took 14 days but that was inside Austin in a metropolitan area Since we are outside Waco and Bellmead I can certainly say three months but probably within a month-and-a-half or two months you'll have a fully completed church We need to complete it that fast to keep our momentum up and get the job done properly

2:00:39 As far as the land dispute goes, they said it's okay to go ahead and build. Yes absolutely well Clive Doyle has paid the back taxes. Clive Doyle as you see lives here on the property in his mobile home and regardless of what ends up happening with a land I've talked attorneys and others and it's even been on The Waco Tribune that basically once a church is built here It'll just be up for the trustees at the church who basically owns the property so it's even more let's say affirming whose property this is and it says, this property belongs to the surviving branch Davidians and Clivedoil has paid the back taxes. But regardless we're building a memorial to what happened here I don't think anybody would ever want to tear it down

2:01:18 Hey, thank you sir. Appreciate it. Could you address any legal ramifications or legal advantages that you would have building a church here? Well I've talked to attorneys and read some of the reports, some published reports. Clive Doyle is already positioned he has a renowned attorney, former Attorney General Ramsey Clark. He's paid the taxes and regardless of who gets this property this place will always be basically a battlefield museum almost people are going to be coming out here probably forever wanting to understand what happened here so basically that is why we're here

2:02:04 put a mark on history saying the people of Central Texas and America said no, this is wrong what happened here. And we're not going to believe the propaganda or knock it off. We're not gonna believe the lies and hopefully by leading by example that media and others are finally starting to wake up to what happened will also join us in trying to heal some of the wounds. Thank you. When I look and saw the people, and how they're helping. I didn't think anybody had the guts to do it but i'm finding out and I know there are people outside that agree with us they're just afraid to speak up Just in case you don't remember let me jog your memory

2:03:05 In a church they called the Waco compound Back in April 93 17 little children All so helpless and so small Died a senseless death of gas and flame How many names can you recall? Seventeen

2:03:45 17 little children don't it make you wonder what 17 little chi- how could they deserve to die? Maybe we should stop and ask ourselves if we become so blind. Will 17 little children finally open up your mind

2:04:33 How did you sleep last night, Bill Clinton? Tell me did you feel their pain? The seventeen little children Cried out and perished in the flame Attorney General Janitor I accept your offer to resign. How can you stand for murder

2:05:16 When you won't answer to your crimes Seventeen little children All so helpless and so small Seventeen little children How many names can you recall? Maybe we should stop and ask ourselves

2:05:54 We become so blind Little seventeen, little children Finally open up your mind I've heard it said the Branch Davidians Only got what they deserved Yet no one seems to know what lies broken

2:06:30 But was in the ward they never served Yesterday I sold my TV set Stopped my subscription to the Times To be explained, deceived, though he Was an accomplice to these crimes Seventeen little children Don't it make you wonder? Seventeen little children How could they deserve to die We should stop and ask ourselves Have we become so blind Will seventeen little children Finally open up your mind

2:07:58 I love Miss Catherine! There she is. We're going to rebuild you a nice beautiful church out here. There she is, Miss Celia. How ya doing? Hi! Proud of y'all. Oh it's good. It's flat. Hey, you burn it we rebuild it. Volunteers of America.

2:09:13 Does anybody need any sunscreen? I'll scan it in. I'l go to a one hour photo, although there was a guy here earlier he's got a digital camera and he said he's gonna email me some of his photos and i figure once people see the activity they'll be... Steve Wayne swinging it as he always does. He's been involved in so many projects now no breeze at all folks and Steve is helping cut the steel with the steel cutter tying the steel

2:10:14 All right, dude. Ah, they're doing a great job! You're welcome man. We got crime overtaking our cities. We got gangs taking over our streets. They keep handing out more and more welfare, though it never seems to meet their needs.

2:11:00 Next summer you won't have this. Come on son, sit down right here. Everybody say Central Texas Resistance! Freedom fighters! I need my pants in black You mean they've got none of the materials we need? What about a Home Depot? A lot of folks out there today, a lot of folks who are still working hard, a lot harder than I have. Make sure you don't have heat exhaustion. Drink lots of fluids! It feels good challenging the false reality not playing along with all their garbage putting it in their face getting up off our butts

2:11:46 This is good ladies and gentlemen, this is important! This is fantastic. God bless you all We're gonna build this thing! This man does it all

2:12:37 Even the Lord will be in that curve when we have reached there. you say something that's Jeff Davis digging is that Jeff Davis digging? how long has he been out here digging an hour now oh get out of the way Jeff Davis got the pig he's blue eyed you know one eye blue left and the other one blue right

2:13:16 get used to it. Get out of the way Keith let her swing I thought he had a hernia on. He does! you better stop. He ain't got no hernia What did you find? Okay, this is to a .44 Magnum. Yep! You can tell you know all about guns. Heck yeah, your'e a great American kid ain't ya?! And this is to a 9mm. That's a nine millimeter shell? Uh-huh

2:14:06 you got some bullets there same man who did Joe Campano's house what's going on Jim? Hi. Hold on just a minute I already got you on there going like that looking so pretty hello Alex Hello Jimmy just got done eating some great food. My friends call me pokey like slow pokey I know pokey how's it going? It's going appreciate your help out here on this project as you can see we're ahead of schedule pouring all the cement 60-something holes, We dug all to

2:14:51 spec we got the engineer 60 holds all the specs yep there's my dump truck over there it is great great job that's my brother great job Ritter for bringing all the concrete okay now you hide hey there's one of Gene's ex-girlfriends over already hold on I really lost this It's the ones of us that ain't the Xs that count. How Mike Hanson had overheard us talking and Mike come to me and said he wanted to learn, and Mike is taking off like a duck to water and he and Alex are together so...

2:15:32 All I know is we're getting this built, we're gonna build it. Huh? We're gonna build this place. By the hand of God y'all will build it. Monthly Sundays but it might take...monthly Sundays. That's right. Might take two months to Sunday. You can call us by the hand of god or you can call us whatever you want. Alright guys where are you putting your name at? My name is at H-Corner What are we building? A church! For who? What is this, Jesse? Rock Caramel? Yes. Not so big. That camera he's got there...he's got night vision. He can't film at night either. Hey Josh! What are you all using? Nails! Go ahead Josh put yours in there too. There are some hand prints. And now we're cooking some homemade

2:16:24 Alex Jones, you burn it we rebuild it. There is right there look at folks You burn it we rebuild it Right over the heart Right over the heart Great job man Hey aren't you supposed to be dumping some dirt? Okay guys don't jump he's gonna bang the door It's a fun part

2:17:09 Hey Sonic Boom! I warned ya! Who's gonna be here? As far as i know it was me. That Ed Homan is a trooper, wonder where that car went... We're here talking to Ophelia Santoyo she's a surviving rancher we've gotten the chance to get to know her over the years out here but she really helped us even in the first days when it was really hot out here to pour foundation and now get the church to where its at

2:17:46 Ophelia, what do you think of the church rebuilding program? I think it's wonderful. Yeah, I really like the churches look so beautiful When you first heard about us talking about rebuilding it did you did you think we'd really do it Yes Wow because you knew Mike going way back didn't ya yes the cameraman um Are you surprised that the government hasn't offered to help or has done anything? Oh yes, I am. You thought they would come out and help? Right! Yes Why would you say that? Because... well.. all the damage they've done to us They destroyed everything we had And they destroyed even our families and even ourselves because we have gone through a lot since then

2:18:51 My mother has been so sick since then. She's been so depressed and she almost committed suicide, she was so depressed because of the loss of our family How many members in your family died? Six Who were they? My only daughter What was her name? Julie Martinez and all her kids there were five kids they had an opportunity to come out why did they decide to stay? They were afraid. They were afraid to come out because you know what we were looking at all the damage that they were doing, that they were doing to us and they were destroying everything so we are afraid to come out I know a lot of people are afraid to come out in fact the feds federal government even admits military admits

2:20:02 the tactical teams on the ground during the siege when they would tell people to come out and get some letters from their lawyers, or letters from government. And that they would throw flashbang grenades at them did you hear about that? Yes You talk about damage what type of damage were they doing with tanks Well there were destroying all our cars and they were destroying around the kids motorcycles all the toys and you know, the kids used to have a... how do you call it? Go-karts. Yeah go-karts and motorcycles and there are lot of toys And they used to have a sandbox where all the kids use to play They destroyed that They destroyed our gas tanks They broke everything

2:21:04 Clive Doyle and others have talked about him destroying all the cars. Yeah, they destroy all the cars...all of them This is a right-wing dog isn't it? You better send in the BATF Well that's horrible to hear that you lost six members of your family When you watch the television news are they telling the truth? No I don't think so Most of them they don't say the truth You know, and when people have interviews they always try to twist things we say. That's the reason why I don't like to have interviews. In fact this is the first interview you've done isn't it? Yeah...I've done short talks of course you've been on my radio program yeah Jack The Mongol Beagle also being interviewed right now

2:22:12 Well, last question Ophelia and I appreciate you talking to us out here. First of all I ask that last question what are you doing here? Well i'm trying to weed up all the trees for the memorial April 19th And of course that's to remember what happened on April 19th 1993 with BATF He is hard nosed he's hard boiled he's tender his name is Alex Jones What's amazing is that this man is only 26 years old. Considering what he has accomplished and demonstrated in building this church, I believe that by age 36 he could become the youngest president of the United States. Victory is ours against the New World Order! Against the communists and socialists and bankers who run the whole filthy show

2:23:18 And now that they run the world, or at least the central hubs of power and the banking establishments in the dominant media. They plan to sack this country Are you gonna let them feel your ancestors? These individuals again were testing you Testing you back in 93 Testing you with the World Trade Center With Waco and then in 95 with Oklahoma Trying to scare you Run you off a cliff like a bunch of lemmings But some Americans aren't lemmings God bless you Alex and his cameraman Mike Hansen make underground videos in which they confront the people they feel are complicit in this great conspiracy. Agent Littleton? Yes Now, this is a classic thing we saw this in the Nuremberg trials in 46' in Europe We saw Germans SS and also regular army saying oh it was my commander and his commander that commander I was just there doing my job

2:24:19 And then you say that you haven't seen Waco Rules of Engagement, it was up for an Academy Award. It's not some footage they cooked up, it came out in the Senate hearings with Arlen Specter and others So to sit there and just say that you haven't seen the footage even the third generation It's very obvious. They have one of the inventors of flare technology who works for the Pentagon, they're saying well this is automatic weapons fire and then they lay a schematic down and show where all machine gun nests were and it shows 60 minutes wooden air or port that introspection that does work for the ATF who did a study

2:24:56 and said yes, this shows people exiting and entering the building firing automatic weapons. You see an incendiary device several of them being fired in some those rounds were actually found those incendiary grenades And I understand that the ATF needs more funding for Comrade Clinton and the Clintonistas We understand this and we understand that we have footage y'all loading up the cameras going out to kill a buncha kooks! And i'm sad your agents Some of your agents got injured and killed. And I'm not going to sit around and make threats when it comes time for me to leave my parents, my girlfriend, and my life, I will for my country. But if I have to die for this country then I will. You would almost laugh when you say that or I have no idea about that

2:25:53 You you sir look like a gangster. You look like a criminal you you reek of it, sir Well that's fine. That's fine well No, it's not personal It's the it's the huge give it to the facts. It's the old this what's why I don't come here I never will come again But this is what it comes down to I had to come and talk to you and tell you all that I've read the Constitution, I know what's going on in the country. I know about Rex 84. I know about FEMA. I've been around to national parks and seen executive orders. I know what is going on in this country from Oklahoma City World Trade Center bombing

2:26:33 The October 29th, New York Times 28th even admits it. Got a copy of it in my car that the BATF and the FBI helped the terrorists cook the bombs Andre Strossmeier, Air Republican Army Carol Howe warned the FBI and the BATF It doesn't matter Y'all stir up these hornets nests to have media events to scare the sheep And frankly, it's sick and it's sad. It is the nature of power That all you are a Roman centurion and all the rest of your type I know there are good people that have left your agencies and have left all the apparatus of control I want to know why haven't seen Waco rules of engagement Why won't comment? You said you were 1100 yards away from back building where automatic weapons fire was coming from You saw

2:27:23 Sir, there's footage of it. There is tape of it! You want me to give you one of the tapes? Perhaps I'm wrong. Perhaps your not a criminal. Perhaps your just power hungry. Let him respond. I have to say that there was no automatic rifle fire coming from the back of the building. I'd like to see those tapes but I haven't seen them yet. Well they got em at the video store or why don't you call C-SPAN and get a copy from them They aired on TV and thats how controlled our press is You scare me. Seeing our local police training with you guys in black ski masks and we've gone up from 390,000 to 490,000 officers and they're building helicopter bases here in Travis County. Damn it!

2:27:59 We've been sucked off for so long. We pay 62% in some form of tax, we just wallow around and beg like a bunch of little pigs at your feet and it isn't good enough because you're insecure and deep down inside you can make the rationales all day. We're self-righteous, we're doing what's right I'm nonviolent to the end defending my country from what's coming and we see it building up, we see it preparing while President Clinton wallows over in China So do you You have no soul if you do not come to grips with what really happened in Waco because you obviously won't even comment on all the missing evidence and on everything else that is happening. The front door, to the flare footage and then Oklahoma City with the seismographs and General Park. It's so much! There is so much going on. So much evil, so much tyranny, so much barbarism What do you think when you walk into your office and there are all these little fleets of minions?

2:28:53 It's sad to me. They need to go work for the mob or something, at least there they can sleep with themselves at night and they're not acting like they're not criminals." To reiterate David's words on one of the negotiation tapes he was very sad that agents were killed He was sad that agents were wounded and I feel the same way but if we can honestly look at stories told We have to admit

2:29:43 story is not all the truth there is. It's a one-sided view, they may be many of them many agents that were there that have their side of the story that they firmly believe in and there are survivors who have this side we have every reason to be angry like yourself you lost friends somewhere between is a balance of truth not just our side and not just your side depending on where you were

2:30:30 What you saw, what you heard and what you experienced is where your prejudices are. We hold no malice toward the ATF or the FBI but we find it very hard to believe them and trust them because if they were so right in their stand that they took and in the way that they performed their tasks then would not need the lies and covering up and losing of evidence

2:31:14 and the delaying in the courts, they would be more than happy to have the truth come out. May not be your fault that the door was missing may not be your fault that there were shots fired from helicopters but I think in all honesty as a human being you've been long enough in the Bureau of Alcohol and Tobacco and Firearms to have seen a lot of things that were wrong nobody climbs any corporate ladder

2:32:00 without sacrificing principles. I don't care whether it's a business or government agency or law enforcement, even in the church we see all kinds of things go on that are wrong and there are those who turn their back on what is wrong in order to succeed, in order their benefits, every time I see these kids put through school or whatever their excuses and reasons are. The ATF is not without fault, the FBI is not without fault and I am not without fault. David's great concern was for the safety of not only people inside the building but those on the outside of the building on February 28th it did not have to happen that way truth of the matter is very plain

2:33:08 David could have been approached prior to February 28th. He could have been approached on February 28 in a peaceable manner and all this could've been avoided You may feel justified in firing because you were trying to protect your officers The people on the inside that did fire probably feel justified in responding, to protect the women and children perhaps their own lives volatile situation. I'm sure there was fear and panic and all kinds of feelings on both sides on February 28th If we were a bunch of crazies that just wanted you all dead, You'd have been all dead There was no ambush 50 or 60 people standing at the windows with machine guns and bazookas ready to blow your away Or you would not have any ATF agents walk away after two-and-a-half hours

2:34:23 even if you still had some ammunition. That was not our intent, it was not our intent that there should be any shooting and we were made to pay for defending ourselves for 51 days by another agency which I understand you're going to absolve yourself from being the FBI who also justify everything they did the torture and the lying because they feel we brought it on ourselves We refused to come out

2:35:11 Like you said, those reports show wrongdoing in the ATF. They show wrongdoing in the FBI I don't believe myself that a court case in front of a jury where all the evidence could be brought out would be excuse me...a terrible thing We've asked for that and the government, be it the BATF or the FBI are stalling for all they're worth because they do not want to go to trial

2:35:54 As in the case of Lon Horiyuchi, who feels he is justified in being protected by his position in the agency for shooting Vicky Weaver. He doesn't feel he should go on trial, should be exempt maybe you feel the same way for some of the officers involved in WICO but if the truth's ever going to come out then it needs to be allowed to come out and all the evidence needs to be put out on a table

2:36:37 not just the jury and the courts to look at, but for the whole American people. We cannot just tell our side and you cannot tell just your side and come to the truth because we're both biased I hope that in months years whatever remain for us all to go through that somehow there can be some kind of reconciling some kind of acknowledgement And above all

2:37:26 What would have pleased David the most would be that those who were party to the raid and siege that followed could somehow ultimately learn the truth that David tried to put across, and have a part in his kingdom. That was all he was interested in was saving souls regardless of what you may think of him, his lifestyle or teachings or what took place for 51 days. David was very concerned for souls

2:38:03 And that's what we're about. And we would love to see you all saved, I don't want revenge. I don't wanna see any more people killed on either side but unless we're willing to be honest with one another and face up to the things that we as a government perpetrate and do and take a stand about whether it's right or wrong based on the facts not on our loyalty to our agency or whatever then we will have other Wacos

2:38:43 We will have other situations where people will feel justified in resisting abuse of power or a violent entry on some pretext. Let me just say in closing that I am sorry this ever happened. Can we begin some of that reconciliation by having you shake hands?

2:39:32 It's not easy to stand in front of a jury of your peers, which we are right now sir. We are judging you and we are judging the group for whom you work with whom you work I heard you say early on that in your opinion The people at Waco got what they deserved Did you say that? Yes, I could have yes. I think that for you one human being for all this? You want to comment on that. If I said they got what they deserve, what i meant was they caused it themselves. Did y'all say that? They brought it on themselves. I didn't say child abuse. Reno did! Reno said maybe it was Reno who said but whether they brought it on themselves or not you have children that were killed by their very own government and thats you

2:40:32 And I am absolutely, I have not been this upset for years because I want to know what does it feel to work for one of the most hated groups in this country other than the IRS? How are you doing? Oh, say can you see Stars and stripes on the sky down It means that we As foreign powers take control Right behind our backs Traders plan their attacks On the law land And commandments of our Lord If we wake up today

2:41:37 We might still find a way to shake free from these chains and restore liberty. So wake up America, and throw down this tyranny of the right's plan!

2:42:19 Just in case you don't remember Let me jog your memory In a church they called the Waco compound Back in April 93 17 little children All so helpless and so small Died a senseless death of gas and flames How many names can you recall? Seventeen little children Don't it make you wonder why Seventeen little children

2:43:25 How could they deserve to die? Maybe we should stop and ask ourselves. Okay, we're right here at the front door of the new rebuilt church memorial for the surviving Branch Davidians in memory of all those that were murdered here Next to me right here is

2:44:10 Another memory, George Pulliam was the engineer and architect that drew all the plans and engineering schemes for here. And passed away of cancer in 2005 A man I knew well, a man of character class integrity Left a widow two daughters And then a whole bunch of us volunteers also went to help out his widow. Put a roof on her house and paint the house, and try to help her out. George Pulliam passed away February 5th 2005. Here's the church! Well let me just ask you some questions... First of all I want to thank everybody Is that what you want? Yeah basically because you haven't seen anybody since the uh..

2:45:14 You want me to give my name and stuff? Yeah, yeah. Who you are... People know who you are though. I know it. I edit real good. Go ahead. I'm Catherine Madison and I especially want to thank everyone who contributed to the building out on Mont Carmel. I haven't gotten to send everyone a thank-you note The rate that I am going may never but I do thank you! And I am very appreciative of what you've all done I know that it never would have even started with all you people that came in and took over and made it work. This is what I live for! You gonna put this on TV? No, we're putting her on the roll-in. Okay. What are you going to do? Put her on the roll-in?! Now listen say this is Lieutenant Beck and I got a Clinton joke

2:46:13 It's Lieutenant Beck. I got a... Lieutenant Beck, Commander Travis County SWAT. Alright! I have a sense of humor. Anyways Monica went to her... No start over with this is Lieutenant Beck, Travis County Sheriff's Department This is Lieutenant Beck, Travis County Sheriff's Department We do have a sense of humor. Monica went to her plastic surgeon She asked the plastic surgeon remove my love handles The doctor looked and said, why? You wouldn't be able to hear. That's good! Got any more important numbers here we should look at? Hello folks it's Mike Hanson from Mike Hanson Archives and I hope you enjoyed our Waco show It's my experiences with the Branch Davidians and all the volunteers of America from about 1995 to present day

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2:49:49 We have an organization here, a non-profit organization. It's Gonzalez Association of Patriots but every month we do something really good for some lucky person or people and when we had the hurricane down there boy did we that was a lot money! We usually don't go out of Gonzales but that was a little bit to see those people in the trailer parks and stuff really hurting and stuff...We went down there and helped them So, but we're going to help a real nice elderly lady. She barely makes her bills Peggy so I know she's gonna be appreciative of the $100 that we're gonna give her and so let's go over and surprise her. We've already mowed your yards so she'll probably tell you thank you about that but then we're gonna surprise her! Here is what you are getting this month

2:50:41 Oh, that's beautiful. It's by awarded by because I know you need to help with your food and everything else So that's from the Gonzales Association Patriots We always try to do something good for somebody every single month. We try to love you Mike I love everybody. Thank you, thank you everybody! Buy what you want with it buy something nice once in a while. I love you much. Yeah. God bless you You know people donate money to us and that's how we get this money so if anybody wants to know more about our organization We're here in Gonzales Texas at P.O Box 481

2:51:22 Thank you all very much and God bless everybody that helps people around that are in need. God bless y'all, okay? Okay we'll see ya next time. Have a good day, ma'am. Thank you. Alright! Yes, thank you very much folks.