Topic: Mike Degaren

The discussion moves to the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals and the pending Supreme Court case regarding the Davidians' sentences. Clive Doyle evaluates his lawyer, Dan Cogdell, and lead counsel Mike DeGaren, suggesting the defense was hampered by a lack of funds for expert witnesses.

Defense attorneys Dan Cargill and Mike DeGaren faced significant hurdles when Judge Walter Smith reportedly refused to allot funds for expert witnesses or even basic clothing for the defendants. While the government spent millions bringing in small-scale gun dealers to testify, the defense was financially constrained. Survivors also criticized the independence of Special Counsel John Danforth, noting he was appointed by Janet Reno to investigate her own department.