Topic: Court Testimony

The discussion shifts to the legal proceedings following the siege, where Santoyo claims she was threatened by a prosecutor for not cooperating with the government's narrative. She notes that she was never allowed to testify on the stand, and the interviewer suggests that the defense was prevented from calling necessary witnesses to challenge the federal version of events.

The discussion turns to the technical and legal nature of flashbang or stun grenades used during the siege. Host Mike Hanson and the guests reference court testimony where ATF officers admitted these devices are classified as "destructive devices" under federal law. They argue that despite being characterized as benign by some officials, these devices possess significant concussive force and can be lethal.