Ofelia Santoya Lost Daughter And 5 Grandchildren In Fire April 19, 1993 Never Seen, Unedited Footage [BmCLHurU0RA]

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06:05 $76,000. So we need about another 25. Good to go. Nobody away from all of my state off. Nobody here Friday. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Can't get nobody quick Yeah, hold that up. Yeah there we go yeah great got it

07:20 Who's gonna be here? As far as I know it was just me. That Ed Homan is a tricker, wonder where that car went.

10:42 In fact, I remember that's the first thing that I heard. I guess it was Edna... That was the first thing I ever heard her say. I met her in Austin and she was real upset because some reporter had interviewed her and twisted it. And they come so friendly! They think they're trying to help but then twist everything we said Well, that's one thing we don't do. Well some people... most of them you know? Yeah Especially the government media Oh really? The government media? Who is the government media? Oh you mean like CBS and... yeah! oh yeah they're the government media alright Scott doing on the road

12:04 I guess he's grading it, you know to smooth it out from all the ruts from the rain. How long do you think is going to take y'all to weed this whole thing Ophelia? My mother and I usually weed up and takes us well... You know we get all of the weeds off from one tree, some trees And then by the time we finish

12:43 The ones that we got first... You have to start over again. Yeah, so we have to do it a few times. It looks nice though when it's weeded like this. Yes they do look nice. Oh no he is going to come and get me! Alex? Well sure thats okay just talk like you were talking to me Ophelia That all you really need to do is just talk like he asked you something and there was no camera there

13:32 That's all. Go ahead. Pronounce your last name again, I have trouble with it. How do you pronounce your last name again? Santoyo. Santoyo. Wait a minute is this supposed to be blurry on here Edd? No Why isn't or is just... Oh oh are you recording yet? Yeah Well go ahead and stop it Alright It's the cargo bell Well what are you going to ask? Just about what you think about the church getting rebuilt And about the trial What you think of the federal government Ready Mike?

14:24 and her better family out here too. Ophelia Santoyo? Yes I'm just bad, can hardly pronounce any names S-A-N T-O-Y-O Santoyo cool that's a pretty name i like it we're here talking to Ophelia Santoyo she's a surviving ranch divinian we've gotten the chance to get to know her over the years out here but she's really helped us even in the first days when was really hot out here uh... to pour the foundation and now get the church where its at What do you think of the church rebuilding program? I think it's wonderful. Yeah, I really like the churches look so beautiful When you first heard about us talking about rebuilding it did you did you think we'd really do it Yes Wow because you knew Mike going way back didn't ya yes the cameraman Are you surprised that the government hasn't offered to help or has done anything oh yes I am

15:29 You thought they would come out and help? Right, yes. Why would you say that? Because well...you know all the damage they've done to us They destroyed everything we had And they destroyed even our families And even ourselves because we have gone through a lot since then My mother has been so sick since she's been so depressed and she almost committed suicide. She was so depressed because of the loss of our family. How many members are your family dying? Six Who were they? My only daughter, and... What was her name? Julie Martinez And all her kids There were five kids They had an opportunity to come out Why did they decide to stay

16:41 They were afraid. They were afraid to come out because, you know what we were looking at all the damage they were doing it that they were doing to us and they would destroy everything so we were afraid to come out. I know a lot of people are afraid to come out in fact the feds federal government even admits military admits that the tactical teams on the ground during the siege when they would tell people to come out get some letters from from their lawyers, letters from the government and that they would throw flashbang grenades at them. Did you hear about that? Yes yes You talk about damage what type of damage were they doing with tanks well they were destroying all our cars and they were destroying around the kids motorcycles all the toys

17:43 You know, the kids used to have a... how do you call it? Go-karts. Yeah go-karts and motorcycles and there are lot of toys And they used to have a sandbox where all the kids use to play They destroyed that They destroyed all our gas tanks They broke everything Clive Doyle and others have talked about him destroying all the cars. Yeah, they destroy all the cars...all the cars This is a right-wing dog isn't it? You better send in the BATF Well that's horrible to hear that you lost six members of your family When you watch the television news are they telling the truth No I don't think so Most of them they don't say the truth

18:45 You know, and when people have interviews they always try to twist things we say. That's the reason why I don't like to have interviews. In fact this is the first interview you've done isn't it? Yeah...I've done short talks of course you've been on my radio program yeah Jack The Mongol Beagle also being interviewed right now Well, last question Ophelia and I appreciate you talking to us out here. First of all I'll ask you that last question what are you doing here? Well i'm trying to weed up all the trees for the memorial April 19th And of course that's to remember what happened on April 19th 93 with the BATF Yes Ophelia the last question we appreciate your taking time out to talk to us

19:49 Why do you think the federal government did what they did when they knew that you guys were peaceable and that David Koresh had invited the BATF out here before? Why do you, why do you think they did it? Well I don't know. They um...I think they had a plan because uh.. You know if they wanted to get Dave Koresh they could have got him himself only but they probably had their plans to get everybody else. Well, I'd say they failed haven't they? Yeah because David Koresh... They could have got David Koresh because he used to always run around the property and go in... He used to go town and they could have gotten him himself. I mean only David. Didn't the sheriff's department

20:49 And other people come out here and fish in the little ponds and lakes? Yes, they use the gun. Well tell the people I mean it's on the record The local police, the sheriff department would come out here to fish and shoot their guns wouldn't they? Yes They used a gun. I'll tell you that is just wild! So...I believe that the reason why they did this was to get everybody used to the military and the police going in and killing communities of people Would you agree with that or...? No no not at all No. I think that's horrible. No, not if you agree with it or not but Ophelia do you think this was what happened here in 93? Do you think this is all part of training the American people to accept this type of police state activity in the future? Yes, I think so It's just terrible Yeah, it's sad Well, I say they failed destroying your community because there's a new church being built nearing completion here in February

21:56 February 28th, anniversary of the 51 days cranking up. Starts tomorrow. Ophelia you lost six members of your family how many people survive? How many people survived I lost track but quite a few most of them are in prison Do you have family in prison no I have friends so it's just you and your mother and you have son correct yeah

22:35 But he wasn't here. Yeah, so it's your mother you and your son yes well that's too bad I'll let you get back to work out here we brought some extra fertilized dirt out of here open oh yeah that's gonna help a lot we should appreciate that Oh no I appreciate you Ophelia its just what we're talking to Ophelia Santoyo and Ophelia two Americans out there that still believe the government's lying, that you guys were bad people. What type of people are Branch Davidians? What was going on out here in 93? How would you describe life here? Well everything was peaceful these uh these were the happiest days of my life believe it or not we were so happy and I was very very happy to be here

23:36 Was everybody nice to each other? Yes, yes. I've never seen anything like this before You know people from all nationalities All cultures We used to get along so well Like brothers and sisters We know that the federal government for several months Before the attack The initial attack by the BATF And the National Guard helicopters on February 28th And of course, this is the anniversary of that day. We know that they were staying in the houses across the street Do you remember the story that Clyde and others have told me about how The people who owned the property before the federal government moved in Actually asked you guys for help and for free A bunch of men went over to help them fix it? Then they were surprised to see a man with guns going in there and staying? Yes Can you tell us a little bit about when the feds moved in across the street

24:37 Well, when they moved they said they were students. They were university students but David never believed and so we started getting acquainted with them and David used to send people there to try to help make friends with them And they started to come over here to us, to visit us. I think...I'm not sure if they came first because they wanted to find out about what's going on here and uh... I don't know much about it but yeah there were people there. Alright. Well Ophelia thank you so much for talking with me today. I appreciate it

25:39 I wanted to say something else but i forgot. Very important. No, say it very loud so they can hear you. But I forgot! It's nice out here isn't it? Yes it is. You guys used to catch some big fish out of there? Oh yeah, there are a lot of big fish in here and we used to fish. Well what about the slander that they told about her family and friends that needs to be said

26:16 Say that again. Ophelia, did it anger you to hear all the lies being told about the Davidians during and after the siege? Oh yes of course I was...I'm so upset What were the feelings you had at the time Well I was very upset Very sad It was a very sad situation Were they lying? Yes they were lying What were some of the lies they told A lot. I can count them. Oh, you can't count the lies? Okay... They lied so much all the way till now Still lying Yes Well thanks a lot for joining us Ophelia How long were you in how many days of the 51? I was there until March 21st That's quite a long time that's 23-24 days Around there My daughter didn't want her kids

27:31 to go out because she was scared. She was so scared to send them out, you know? And what they did to the kids, they spoiled them. They spoiled those kids. They used to send some videos and we used to watch and they were jumping on the couches, having some ice cream and all kinds of junk food. We didn't feed those kids anything junk food. Well that's good for them to not be fed junk. Any last things you'd like to say for people who will be watching this on TV in Austin about what happened here?

28:26 You need to ask her about where she was the first day, because that needs going first. Where were you the first day on February 28th? Seven years of the day we're sitting here... What happened on that morning? Well I remember we had breakfast and then I remember being in the church I saw when the trailers, with all the agents came and when they arrived I was in the church. And David came and said what are you people doing here? Go to your rooms!

29:32 And I went to my daughter's room upstairs. It was just the closest room, and I didn't want to go into my room by myself so I went into my daughter's room and saw everything. You know when they started shooting at Perry and David That's still in my mind like if I, you know it was yesterday. Just like as yesterday? Yeah What did you see who fired first your seeing men run towards the church what happened they fired first They fired first i saw them How do they describe it to people watching well they would remember when

30:27 When David told us to go to our rooms, I went to my daughter's room which was upstairs above the foyer. And then I went straight through the window and I saw the agents coming with their guns out of the trailer and they went straight inside the gate and David was at the door and they just started shooting I heard David saying something, but I couldn't hear what he was saying. But later on, I learned that he was saying to wait that there were women and children there. Did David bring a gun to the door? No no! He didn't. Well we know... When he told us to go into our room, I didn't see David with a gun in his hand

31:32 He was in the foyer when I went up. I didn't see any hand, and he... So as the trailers are pulling up, coming down a little road here to pull out in front of the church, and correct me if this is wrong, I'm trying to follow what you're saying, he tells everybody get to your rooms? Yes. As soon as you get upstairs do you see the trailers pull up and men pile out? Right. Yeah when I went into my daughter's room I went straight through the window to look out How were the men dressed? I think they were dressed in black. I have forgotten a lot of things, but I'm pretty sure they were dressed in black. Ophelia can you go into some detail of them shooting? You say you saw them shoot first describe what happened well. They shot first. Yeah, I'm not sure if they shot

32:40 But according to what I saw, they shot first when they came out of the trailer. That's when they shot first because David and Perry didn't have a gun in their hands. Now the trailers pull up... How about helicopters? I don't know As soon as they pull up, as soon as the BATF pulls up and gets out of the trailers how long were they out of the trailers before they started shooting They were pretty close to the gate so immediately when they went in the gate, the front yard wasn't real big. Real big So you'd say about 10-15 feet from the front door? Around there And they started firing as soon as they came through the gate Yes How are they firing like this? Do they have their guns up and... Yes Did you see the flashes of gunfire or...?

33:42 Or did you get down? I can't remember. What about the dogs, Alex? Yeah they shot the dogs. Say that again. They shot the dogs first... well some of them shot the dogs and some of them started shooting David and Perry So your saying they drive up in a vehicle, jump out, run out and in 10 seconds start shooting the dogs and shoot at the front door and shoot at the building Yes How long did the shooting go on until they put their hands up? I don't know Can't tell But a few minutes? No, well I don't know. I can't tell. I can remember. But you did see him shooting? Yes How long did you see him shooting? Did you get down after that? Yeah What i would like to say is about the helicopters The helicopters...I didn't see them

34:40 But when we went in the room, okay I was standing by the window looking at those agents shooting and then my daughter came in the room because she wasn't there. And she got me by hand and pulled me down to the floor. And all of the kids you know, she threw them down on the floor So you were shocked watching the men outside shoot, your daughter pushed you down? Yes because the shooting was coming also through the front, through the ceiling. Did you see any holes in the ceiling? That's why she threw us on the floor. Did you see any holes in the ceiling? Yeah oh yeah! The room was like strained

35:27 It was full of holes. The room was like what? Like a strainer, A strainer? A sieve? Yes it was there were so many holes in the room I don't know how we didn't get killed then. By the grace of God! Yeah Now Catherine Madison... Because they were on the floor and the shooting was coming through the ceiling and through the walls also And I remember there was bunk beds, you know. There were bunk beds and my Bible was on top of it up the bed upper bit and they shoot it They shoot my Bible It had a big hole like this My Bible...and I remember when I went out I asked David should I take my Bible like this? He said yeah take is as evidence

36:24 But when I got there, they took it away from me. And I had another Bible... a new Bible Oh so they took your old Bible with the large hole? Yes and they took my new one to! And then never got it back How big was the hole in the uh...in the old bible? Uh..it was about this big About this big Where were you taken to jail where did they take your bible? Uh....I don't know They took it away from me that's all I know Well Ophelia thank you very much for talking to us You're very welcome. Amen! Do that again. Ophelia, thanks a lot for talking to us. You're very welcome. That's an incredible story God that is such a beautiful view here you it was beautiful I gotta go where he's gonna kill me. Thank you Ophelia. That interview was absolutely fantastic. We need to interview her again sometime. She does stuff good. I know. She knows how we want money. Oh yeah?

37:24 you know last week, I don't know oh she works like a horse yeah You know what, I've seen you on Court TV and it was just as you were going up onto the van there where they had y'all arrested and everything. And you started trying to say something there and they pushed you into the van. We got a good interview with her first time. Boy did they need to hear that! She saw him shooting and everything. They came in shooting. The rest of us didn't have anything. I'm sorry you have to be out here taking care of 80 memorials for people who should still be alive. Look at them over there...

39:26 to another office and that's when they started asking me questions. And that's when they told me I was in hot water, and then when... When I didn't say what they wanted me to say Then the lady, the same lady turned red She was so mad! She tells me, you know, I feel like your in hot water And I said, oh, I didn't know. And then she says... You didn't do anything? Tell her. Then she turned like a... Before she was like a little lamb but later on she was like the dragon. She was like the lion. That's how most prosecutors are. Yeah and she turned red! She was so mad. Well how dare you not cooperate with people that would kill everyone you know?! They never did let you on the stand, did they? Did they ever let you on the stand to testify?

40:27 No, no. No. Well they... We didn't have any witnesses. We didn't have witnesses? Really is when we make this video. The truth is already out there It's just whether or not people want to accept it When Alex and I make this great big federal government that gives everybody money, they wanna really believe that they're responsible for something so evil

41:04 See, nobody's ever heard in the mainstream has not heard what Ophelia had to say. She saw what happened. Where were you? She was above looking down. You were in the upstairs yeah yeah I was a that's a foyer right here there's a church and then the foyer and David told us to go through our rooms instead of going to my room My daughter's room was about the foyer You know, you were in the front upstairs. Looking down at you saw him shoot the dogs? No I didn't see them but she thought he knew that does you know when they were being shot and then they put him later on. They told him that I think they they told him to take them away before they read before our eyes yeah and you know what they did. They put him right in front in line with all until

42:06 That's a new video. New revelations you see the picture in the new revelations. Don't worry we'll steal that picture and put it over what she said. It was so painful looking almost. Gotta have our own propaganda. Destroying all our things I still don't think the new video is as good as it can be It has to be all our way, and all Davidians giving their side of the story. We've already heard the governments over and over we're tired of hearing that. Well I mean it contradicts itself at first you know they weren't shooting it out now finally they admit okay well we were shooting a little bit but that was for...I don't remember what they said it was for something beneficial with them I'm sure

42:54 Ophelia, what was painful? Watching that on film or you're talking about back when it happened watching them do it. Let me charge this up... I don't get your question. Alright! But you said it was painful to watch them destroying all your things Yes because they were running the tanks over our cars Yeah It was psychological warfare And everything The toys You know the kids' toys To make you think that you had no power at all Right They did. What did they do? They mooned us! Sick high school football game type of stuff that they did there, totally immature And they used to go like this to us too You can't... you can't... and those were the people you were supposed to send your children out to huh Yes Those people you're supposed to trust to make things right Yeah, they were the good people weren't they yeah right

44:05 It's a good thing we know better. Right, but the whole thing is once they say it on TV like that, the rest of you idiots like me myself I was up there in Buffalo New York watching and thinking all these people you know they're crazy You know i'm glad the FBI here and it wasn't seven years later until I finally come down and seen what's here And seeing new people here, just ordinary people. See the chemtrails over here? I can't wait.

49:25 Buddy and YouTube buddy. Here's Jeff Davis my great friend We're not social distancing see we're in 2020 now tell me about 1995 1995 that's what we're watching right now Jeff caught me off guard I don't know anything Oh About how the technology yeah Bring world peace in the shade here. That's true back Yeah, we were This fella and myself were in Channel Austin TV studios in Austin, Texas. Public Access about 1995-96-97-98 And I said to Mike Hanson we're in the control room and I said to him I said Mike

50:11 You know, I don't know anything about this internet too much of what people are talking about. But if it turns out to be anything like people are talking about It could bring world peace and liberty And guess what folks? On this date 6 June 2020 We're heading into World Peace & Liberty! We hope so No that's 100% guaranteed Jeff Davis show official prediction. And as you know, Mike, Jeff Davis show has been deadly accurate on predictions great callings or welly and police states fed bank fleecing at this prediction. Jeff Davis show prediction is going to bring the greatest world peace and prosperity in the history of the world. That's it? Well don't tell those protesters because I actually told him

51:08 live and let live yesterday, it almost got beat up. Those protesters those people out there at them rallies just keep on going baby because we're marching our way right into a better place in this world We hope so Jeff Davis show knows so So just keep marching away Just keep going and going with love and peace Before you know it were gonna have heaven on earth We're gonna get right back to... That's it baby. Peace! We're gonna take you back to 1996 folks, we'll see ya later. Peace baby God bless you. That's it Well hello folks Mike Hanson here Oh god save me I just wanted to let you know what I'm going through uh I'm going through Wyla's archives She spent a lifetime or at least the last 30 years

52:08 taping Ruby Ridge and Waco and other things. In fact, I got the whole hearings here on the Ruby Ridge and also have Chris Ritter's state archives with all her life works from the TV shows and also Alex Jones, Jeff Davis and everybody else. This is just part of this is wireless here just part of it all these are full of videotapes

52:48 I'm trying to go through it and get the most important stuff for the Branch Davidians like stuff that David Thibodeau spoke at, Katherine Madison, Sheila and all that. Trying to get it up but its very hard you gotta put these video tapes You gotta put them, you gotta transfer this over to the computer and then it's got to be edited. And the tapes have got to be cleaned up and all this kind of stuff. One of these tapes right here probably takes about two days. Of course, the technology is way over my head at this point so I had to hire people to do it. It cost a lot of money

53:34 So I don't know if I'm even gonna live long enough to get this out to the public, but that's what my goal is. Here's Wyla right here. That's Wyla right there with Katherine Madison. Can you see that? That's my good friend Wyla. These are all her tapes full of tapes thousands of them and there's Miss Katherine. I miss her dearly There's Sheila, Clive David Thibodeau. It's just overwhelming I heard David say that was a different lady with the...I always thought that was uh... Uh... Ophelia's trailer that got ran over by the tank But Ophelia was posing by it so i just assumed it was hers maybe she was living in it too Okay

54:46 Really trying out here if anybody has any any knowledge of Transferring VHS tapes over and getting them on the internet I could use the help really be truthful But I don't want to just start giving these tapes away because I've been entrusted to get this stuff out to the public Which i'm gonna do I hope to live another 20 or 30 years. That's what it's gonna take maybe, to get all this stuff out. Oh it's a lot! This is just some of it folks...I got a whole nother storage big storage room with with stuff in it and It's really going to take a lot of work to get this stuff out so But what I got up so far

55:43 is if you go to Mike Hanson archives, Hanson Archives. The new one I'm trying to get all the Waco stuff out on is Waco Archives. I even got another lady I used to work for Joyce Isaac's Archives and we've got the trailer park show archives. I got all her archives too, Chris Ritter passed away a couple years ago and i want for her legacy to get all that out on the internet too

56:19 It's going to take a month of Sundays to get all this stuff out here. But that is why I am using my book sales to fund it. It cost me about $600 a week plus thousands of dollars worth equipment To get just a couple, three or four tapes out of week and that's pushing it to get it out on the internet. So any help would be appreciated even if you have the technology you can use my office and you could even stay in the motel for free down here if you could give some time to try to get this out on the Internet would be great

57:06 But I'm trying out here folks, and uh...I promise these poor souls that have passed away that their time is not going to be wasted because Wyla really has spent her whole life getting this Waco collection together And so did Chris Ritter, and of course I wanna get all of the Jeff Davis shows and Alex Jones early shows out on the internet for history also. We also have Bob Dacey, Steve Lane, George Humphrey, Joyce Isaacs. It we got a bunch of archives here that needs to get out and

57:48 Sometimes it's overwhelming. I just have to do one thing at a time Alrighty our phone number here is 830-672-3089 and Our office is this here is an undisclosed Location here because I tried I had some really bad people try to burn me out when they found out I was discussing Waco. People still don't know the truth about it when they find out the truth, they'll understand why it's good to get the truth out to the American public that they were lied too Our other office is at 103 St George right at the highway Okay folks Thanks a lot and God bless if you could do any help would be great

58:42 Even if you want to just send a little donation to help in the labor it costs to get this stuff out. I'm at PO Box 481 in Gonzales, Texas. Thanks a lot and God bless. Anybody wanna come up here? All right that's it. Here wants a lady let James go. Go ahead yes sir. All right god bless the Republic Yeah! To New World Order.