Topic: Divine Providence

Reflecting on the 1787 convention, the hosts discuss how quickly the founding fathers forgot the divine assistance they received during the Revolutionary War. They challenge the historical characterization of Benjamin Franklin as a deist, arguing that his later writings provide objective proof of his belief that God governs the affairs of men.

The hosts respond to Peter Thiel's assertion that religion should be a "friend to science." While agreeing that science can prove God's existence, they reject the idea that faith should be subservient to technological progress. They discuss the "fallen" state of humanity and argue that Thiel is attempting to use technology to bypass the need for a relationship with Jesus Christ.