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00:16 Mo Facts with Adam Curry for July 16th, 2022, episode number 84. Well, the summer media schedule of trauma-based entertainment is in full effect. Time to take a breath. Let's get educated, shall we? Adam Curry, coming to you from the heart of the Texas Hill Country, time once again to spin the wheel of topics from here to Northern Virginia. Please say hello to my friend on the other end. Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Mo Facts. How you doing, Adam? I'm doing good, Mo. How are you? Been busy, man. Other than the yellow jackets. We were talking about this just before the show. So Mo's like, you know, we're trading stories. We haven't talked for a bit. And so, how are you doing?

00:57 Yeah, yellow jackets in the wall trying to eat through like Candyman. Oh, man. That's horrible. Now, are they poking their heads through on your side of the drywall or not yet? No, no. Well, the wall was kind of thin. They haven't made it all the way through yet. So it's been covered. It's secure, but it's just like, what in the world? I know, insects. We're both homeowners now. That's the joy of it. You get to deal with that crap. And it's not so much the insect, it's how the women folk respond to it. Yes. It don't matter what you're doing. It's like, hey, come kill this.

01:39 It's like, recording the podcast. I know. Stop. I got a broken leg. No, I don't care. Come kill this. Come kill this. Speaking of insects, I guess we can get to the topic. Oh, really? Oh, okay. All right. Foreshadowing it is. All right, everybody. Round and round it goes. Where it stops, nobody knows except Mo. He knows, obviously. What is the topic for Mo Facts with Adam Curry, episode number 84? And the word is dysgenics. Hold on a second. Let me listen to that word. Let me listen to that word again. And the word is dysgenics.

02:20 Dysgenics. Dysgenics. Well, this will be something that's in the show notes for sure once I go to the Wikipedias. But it'll be explained. Oh, it will be explained? I mean, I could take a guess, but maybe I should just wait. Yep. Goggles early. Please. I can't see anymore. I do record. No, but what this will be is we're going to look at Roe versus Wade. But we're not going to, and the current events, but we're not going to talk about abortion. This is not an abortion show. That'll be the title, show title.

03:00 This is not an abortion show. Right, because I don't think any one of them is qualified to have that discussion. That's just my personal opinion. But I'll just leave it at that. But what I wanted to talk about is the powers behind the overturning and who the cause and effect. Ah, okay. That's what I want to talk about. I do want to correct you. Yes, men can have babies, Moe. So I just want to make sure you. We're not in my book. We're not qualified, but I just don't want to point that out for you. Okay, so this is good. So I cannot wait for your take on this because if there's one thing that's been discussed and discussed almost to death, it's Roe v.

03:44 Wade. And 95% is meritless and bull crap and just trauma-based entertainment. Correct. So we're going to pull back the rug and look what's really going on behind the power players behind this whole struggle on both sides. So I guess we can go ahead and get started with a giant step back. Good evening, everyone. We begin the readout tonight with a giant step backwards for women as free people in America. 50 years ago, progress was made when the Supreme Court announced their decision in Roe v. Wade. Major story today, aside from the death of Lyndon Johnson, the tragic death, and the hopes for peace in Vietnam, is a decision of the United States Supreme Court.

04:27 It handed down a historic decision about abortion. The court said in a 7-2 decision that in the first three months of pregnancy, only the woman and her physician may decide whether she may have an abortion. In the second three months, all the state may do is regulate abortion procedures. And only in the final three months of pregnancy can the state forbid abortion. That was an historic moment for women. Only the third official affirmation of women's rights after the right to vote in 1920 and the legalization of birth control by the Supreme Supreme Court. Court in 1965. The 1973 ruling on abortion told women that we, not the government, control our bodies, that women get to make their own decisions about their own lives.

05:11 And now that era of basic human rights and dignity for women has been ripped to shreds. It's oh, oh, I heard a little tear at the end there. Yeah. So this to me, this was no surprise that this came down because that was the whole big uproar about the courts and how it was quote unquote stacked with conservative justices. 45 Savage even promised. He said, oh, no, I'm going to get as many Supreme Court justices on, two, maybe three, he even said. And then Roe v. Wade will go back to the states. He said it everywhere. Just like Joe Biden said he'd shut down oil.

05:55 Sometimes you got to believe what they say, you know? And he was very open about that. And as I mentioned in previous shows, I think that was to his own demise. Trump talked about this earlier. Yes. For his reelection. Because if it hinged on him being re-elected to put the new justice in. Oh, yes. If RBG would have lasted post-election, then they would have needed Trump in there. But the fact that she expired on the timeline that she did, you know, it gave the Republic, quote-unquote,

06:39 what I want to call them. The traditional or conservatives or Republicans their third justice without having to deal with the BS of Trump. Right. That's an interesting take. And I don't recall immediately if, well, that point certainly didn't come across to me when we discussed it and we discussed him. But that's a good take. Like, how hard do we have to fight because we got what we needed? And quite honestly, that was one of the big selling points of Trump is that he would put conservatives into the Supreme Court. Right. So they, so they maxed out. So, I mean, that was just my take on it.

07:19 You could kind of read in the tea leagues what was going to come then. So let's go ahead and just get into the clip three. And now that era of basic human rights and dignity for women has been ripped to shreds with the leak of a draft opinion from the Supreme Court overturning Roe v. Wade, as well as the associated ruling Casey versus Planned Parenthood. The Supreme Court has confirmed that the document obtained by Politico is in fact the authentic first draft. In the opinion, Justice Samuel Alito doesn't mince words. It is a blatant, almost gleeful rejection of the past 50 years. Quote, Roe was egregiously wrong from the start. Its reasoning was exceptionally weak, and the decision has had damaging consequences.

08:02 And far from bringing about a national settlement of the abortion issue, Roe and Casey have inflamed debate and deepened division, unquote. And with that, the unelected Supreme Court, shaped by minority rule, has taken away a right that a majority of Americans support. It's not the final draft, but it's very likely that the actual decision won't be any different. Alito's ruling rests on the argument that, quote, the Constitution makes no reference to abortion and no such right is implicitly protected, taking us back to the time of the Founding Fathers when women were considered barely more than the property of their fathers and husbands. There's no telling what other rights this fundamentalist court could decide to take away next in order to get us back to the founding fathers, from birth control to gay marriage to the many other rights that are not specifically enumerated in the Constitution.

08:50 This was well prepared. And I'll go back to the ruling that took place in Texas, which in which I truly believe the Democrats let the Republicans in Texas have the abortion bill they wanted, which is the heartbeat law. Okay. And because Dvorak and I were discussing it on no agenda, it's like, what is going on? Why was there no fight? There was no fight over this. So it was clearly set up to make a point, knowing that somewhere down the road, maybe there's a lot more insight than, you know, we had a leaked memo, what, six or six or eight weeks ago, but this was probably known within the system's leaky, so everyone knows everything except us, of course.

09:34 The media won't report anything. So I think that, you know, well set up in advance was unelected. The Constitution is old. You know, somewhere probably you have to throw in the term, it's a living document, you know, these types of terms. All of that is in this Joy Reed script. Yeah. Yes, but the talking point was the Constitution is trash. Right. Remember, that was the whole attack on the Constitution all of a sudden. That's what I'm saying. It's a living document. It means we need to be able to change it and interpret it according to the times.

10:11 Right. So it's just so much going on here that if you notice when all the justices were going through their confirmation, they stood fast on Roe versus Wade. So you know, if they had the numbers, they're going to take an opportunity for it. And I agree with what you're saying, that it was a lot more before the memo dropped. I think as soon as Amy Coney Barrett was confirmed, they knew it was only a matter of time. Oh, I agree. I agree. We were distracted by so many other things. Like Johnny Depp and Amber Heard trial.

10:50 I mean, that's hello. We had other stuff to look at. And as you said, the Republican and red states were pushing for changing their state laws so they would be ready. So when Roe was overturned, they already had laws in place. Remember, I think Georgia had one where all the stars said that, oh, we won't go there because of their new bill or whatever. Right. And companies were pulling out and the other sports events. Right. I think Major League Baseball was one of the biggest ones. That's what it was. Yeah, that's what it was. As you heard that, as you heard Joy Reed say, that was Alito's

11:30 quote that she was reading, or his take on the overturning of Roe v. Wade. Who has gone kind of unscathed in this whole opinion because it's all been focused on Clarence Thomas. Of course. I had to take a couple of VIPD relaps here just because, you know, we were ahead of the curve. You know, you're from the future. You know, so we covered Clarence Thomas in previous shows. I think a couple of shows. Oh, yeah. Because in actuality, he might be the most powerful black man in America. Oh, I think there's a case to be made for that. Sure.

12:15 I mean, because the fact that he kind of, I think he's the most senior person on the court right now. Yep. I think so. So, yeah. So, and the fact that he's not the chief justice, but he's, I mean, ever since he was. He's the oldest, right, though. I've been thinking, I mean, I'm just saying by age, chronological age. Ever since he was confirmed, he was just always quiet in the background, doing his thing, never really out in the public eye that I can remember at all, really. Yeah, because the liberal media wasn't going to give him any airtime. And I mean, that was part of his like, well, let's go ahead and you hit it right on the head.

12:57 Let's just go and get to number four. Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas spoke out overnight saying the publication of that leaked draft opinion about abortion has fundamentally changed the court. And it comes as abortion rights rallies are planned nationwide today. NBC's Jesse Kirsch is in Chicago this morning where thousands are expected to rally there. Jesse, good morning. Good morning, Peter. Organizers are expecting that, and we're seeing the barricades up here already in Chicago on the city's west side, the Near West side. This is one of several events planned throughout this country today, part of a Bands Off Our Bodies protest in support of abortion rights. This is just one of several events. There are also rallies planned in New York, Raleigh, Cleveland, El Paso, San Francisco, and many more cities in between.

13:42 Today's protests, just the latest since that draft Supreme Court opinion leaked earlier this month. And for days, we've seen groups both in support of and against abortion rights rallying their sides. And some have even gathered outside the homes of certain Supreme Court justices, prompting calls from some Republicans for those protesters to be arrested. And now, Justice Clarence Thomas, the latest justice, to comment publicly on this leak draft opinion and what it means for the future of the Supreme Court. Where now that trust or that belief is gone forever. And when you lose that trust, especially in the institution that I'm in,

14:23 it changes the institution fundamentally. Man, I love that guy's voice. I can't get enough. He's got the James Earl Jones type thing going on, except he has more clarity and the tie is nice. But yeah, his pace lends to what you were talking about, his laid backness, and sometimes to his detractors labeled as lazy. Which has some racism. That's racist. Yeah. of course. Right. So, yeah, so they had protesters outside the justices' homes, which is completely illegal. It's illegal. But there was a wink, wink, nod, nah from the liberal media to show them.

15:06 And it was like, if this is illegal, then why are you showing it? But it was to show it to inspire more people to go out and do it or even worse things. The Department of Justice hasn't done anything. As in any policing of this, the DC cops aren't going to touch it. They're around. And, of course, there was an actual, there was a guy planning an attack on, I think, Justice Roberts, was it Lito? Kim remember? Kavanaugh. But we're going to get to that. We're going to get to that. But that's just to go to show you that there was a buildup there.

15:44 As you heard him say, they were ready to protest, and the group name was Ban Offer Our Bodies. Yeah. That's boob. It's like, that's so cringy. It's like, you know, they purposely labeled like bands off our bodies. Like, boob. I didn't even catch that. I didn't even catch that. That's so good. So subliminal. I love it. Come on. They got humor over there. That's funny. You got to pay attention to the boobs. So let's go ahead and get to this clip. It's from On Balance with Leland Vetter. Vitter. Vitter. Vitter. Vitter. Vitter. So

16:30 they're going to get into the liberal attacks and outrage focused on Clarence Thomas. Of the six justices, Thomas didn't write the opinion, nor is he a woman. In fairness, he did write that other civil right precedents should be looked at in light of Roe being overturned. He's getting way more heat than Justice Alito, who said Roe was wrongly decided to begin with. Here is Hillary Clinton this morning. I went to law school with him. He's been a person of grievance for as long as I've known him. Resentment, grievance, anger. And the thing that is, well, there's so many things about it that are deeply distressing.

17:11 But women are going to die, Gail. Okay, so. Even President Trump's appointees who shifted the court to the right don't get that kind of treatment from Hillary Clinton. Ian Samuels here, former clerk to the late Justice Anton Scalia, and obviously spent a lot of time with Clarence Thomas, among others. Why is this? I was literally racist when she said, oh, angry black man. Angry black man, everybody. Stand back. Right. And, you know, I mean, she didn't, she couldn't leave it at person of grievance. No, it had to be. It really had to be that. She had to double down. Yeah. And Clarence Thomas, he reminds me, Justice Clarence Thomas, put some respect on his name. He reminds you of the dude, the black dude from the office.

17:57 Justice Stanley, is that his name? Yeah, when you're there old, when you're like that old and just setting your ways, and I'll go move on my own time. Like even what he said with his speech, it's very measured and leaves you hanging on for the next word. If I may say, we've also discussed Stanley from the office in another context as a very stereotypical type of older black man who was just dying slowly. Correct. Not Clarence Thomas, as far as I can say. Not Clarence Thomas. And that's the thing about him in that aspect is I think he's been very ambitious, very ambitious in the way he's, you know, saying he's played his hand because you noticed the Supreme Court didn't want to touch the 2020 election for no reason.

18:50 No. It's like, no, we're going to keep our powder dry for when it's time. And the time is going to be giving us the rights back to the states. And what this is to do is actually to, in my opinion, this is just my political calculus that I'm seeing here. This is to protect red states from being invaded by blue people. Oh, I think. Like what happened to Texas? I mean, I think you and I have discussed it. I've discussed it with friends. Dvorak and I have discussed it that eventually we would learn what states' rights are all about. You know, it had to happen. And, you know, I like your meta-look at this. Like, okay. Because even people, friends of mine who would say they're unaffiliated, but are just more conservative in their demeanor.

19:34 They also are like, yeah, Trump, you know, we got what we needed. We got three conservative judges. So I think they're building political borders around. around their states. Oh, yeah. If you come here, you won't be recognized as a couple. You won't be able to get an abortion. You know what I mean? You just go down the list of things that they'll turn over back to the states. And that's the only way they can protect the invasion of Californians into Texas. And you saw that could possibly be the case with Florida. You're saying, like, it's got the weather. It's like, no, we have to put up these political borders. Interesting. Another thing I hadn't thought of. I love where you get a few extra days, Mo.

20:19 It's well worth the wait. It's a lot. It's a lot going on with this. When you take a look at the picture, here's the thing, though. So lots of Californians have moved to Texas. Now, Austin, of course, not entirely Texas. And there's definitely a joking type animosity. But there's people around here in Hill Country who moved from California. And I haven't seen. I understand what you're saying. And I think you're correct. But boots on the ground, there's no actual difference. It's all written in the books. There's not actually anything that has changed at all. You can still walk around as a gay couple. We have restaurant owners here, gay guys.

21:02 Nothing has changed. So it is, oddly enough, it's all just on a different frequency. People aren't in tune with it. They don't give a shit. But it will be important from a legal perspective. I completely find it. That's my point: the legal aspect of it, where why people don't have start business in certain states and look, for instance, advantages of starting their corporation in other states. It's the same thing. It's like we have to keep, because if you don't do that, it's like you can't have more than six dildos in Texas. That's illegal. I swear to God, it's true. It's actual law. You can't have more than seven sex three. Sex shooters good enough.

21:47 It's like, you know, somewhere someone said, you know, we got to put this in because if this other thing happens, we'll have the dildo law to fall back on. You look it up. It's hilarious. Yes, it's hilarious. I don't understand why it is, but maybe five's okay. Maybe if I buy seven, I'll get a knock at the door and they'll explain it to me. How do you keep track of that? Is it like, do you have to self-report? But I digress. We both digress. Let's get back onto the topic. But yeah, so Clarence Thomas, obvious target, because they knew

22:25 it's funny that everybody got to see what I've been saying for a long time: that when you make a liberal mad, it doesn't take, for some, it doesn't take very long to get to like the N-word and we need one seem killed. And it was publicly accepted. I pointed this out before with Kanye. Like, it was perfectly okay for him to be called Kunye, but then he gets kicked off on Instagram for calling Trevor Noah Kuhn. It's like, how? Well, yes, okay. Obviously, you control the media. You know, they're trying to control the food. It's control. And it's not even the quote Democrats.

23:09 It's a sickness. And on both sides of it, and I don't want to get too far in this. If you look at who on the, you know, saying the pro Roe versus Wade group, they're putting a lot of black women out there up front. Like you've heard the sound clip. And I didn't add this to the show, but it was part of the Roe hearings, but it's they got into transgender, what's a woman, that kind of thing. And you see the faces that they're using to be the faces. So that has a lot to do with the attack.

23:48 It's a racial undertaking. Black female professors, et cetera. Right. They've been giving the green light on Clarence Thomas. It's like, you know, like they say, oh, yeah, we're not going to, we're not going to say anything. You know, you can get pretty much racist you want to with him because, you know, saying all skin folk ain't kinfolk, you know, that kind of thing. Wait a minute, roll that back to me again. So what exactly are you saying? Because of who they're putting out there to defend men being women, how does that relate to Clarence Thomas? No, what I'm saying is you just see the overall that the academia is putting black professors, black, you know, female professors.

24:28 It's all overrepresentation of black women on the pro side. Yeah, but then how do you, how does that relate to you can go after Clarence Thomas? I didn't quite understand. Like that whole COVID, you know what I'm saying? It's like. oh, okay. You can go. It's gloves off because they understand that he, what he's coming for next. And it's not that he's coming for it. From my understanding, and we're going to get to somebody else's understanding in a few clips, that it's about the court overreaching what they're allowed to do. The way I see the court is they're the referee between the other two branches of the government.

25:08 That's how I see it. Okay. And referees had to be protected at all costs because if you rough the referee, the referee, then you get you sit on the bench. Right. But not only that, but you got to have them be unbiased. That's their whole role. It's like a referee's whole role in a game is to be unbiased, you know, and call it by the rules. So the three branches of government have equal power. The bias, I don't know if bias

25:48 doesn't really matter. I mean, all they're supposed to do is interpret the constitution, interpret constitutional law. That's all they have to do. And that's, you know, that's what's being perverted is the understanding of the law. You know, it's like, well, back when the Constitution was written and the amendment, the Bill of Rights was put in, the amendments, people only had cannons. So the right to bear arms meant something different. So it's really what I'm saying. I think it's really more not left or right. It's more it's interpretive or traditionalist. I think those are the same. No, it's not. It's not left or right. I'm talking about. I'm talking about between the other two wings of the government.

26:26 You have the executive, and you're saying you have the Congress that represent, I think Congress represents the states, in my opinion. And the president represents the executive or the national agenda. That's how I see it. I mean, that's just how I see it. No, I don't understand. So how I see it is the Supreme Court should actually be the referee between the two other legislative branches and the people, and the states, I should say. So here's all this crap going on in Washington, and we'll interpret if what they're doing is okay.

27:08 Right. So we may be saying the same thing, just in a different way. Yeah, but to get to this understanding, you had to, that's why I'm saying that you I have to make this point understood because a lot of the show rests on it that it's about the court being protected and being unbiased because that's like when they when you when you start hearing the supreme court having leaks oh no that's their agendas there right right yeah it's not about like how they come down on different decisions it's the fact that they're calling the game fairly and that's the whole point like a judge or umpire or whatever i mean like that's the role of these things in gaming yeah let's keep it in sports i think you're right because the minute a ref or an umpire is in the

27:59 national media with stories then it doesn't even have to be related to the sport then this that's just a problem by itself right it ruins the whole integrity of the game yeah yeah yeah because it's like like this leave continue with the sports analogy that's like the home team showing up at the refs uh yeah at the revs house before the next the big game it's like of course it's gonna be on his mind yeah there you go yes i like that it's intimidation is that at the highest order and it's sanctioned the media the the media you know is is

28:39 karine abdul jean-pierre even said oh it's a peaceful pro you like that it's it's a peaceful no how many how is anyone old enough to remember karima dul jabbar i don't know right uh it you know oh is it peaceful these people have the right to protest no actually they don't that that is actually illegal it's it's this that but that's what i mean this this was an intimidation job yeah oh oh yeah so what do we stop five yeah we're at six we're at six let's go ahead and get into six let him answer the question why why is this it's it is strange isn't it uh there's there's something distinctive about the treatment of justice thomas uh by uh liberals and there always has been when he first got on the court they said that he was just a copycat of anthony and scully a mild boss he just did what he said and wasn't really able to think for himself right well then but it turned out that that wasn't

29:35 true, they said, well, he never talks at oral arguments, right? He's not engaged in the job. There's a kind of, oh, I don't know, laziness. And now there's a lot of discussion about his marriage. There's a lot of emotional fixation on the fact of his wife's work. And I can't help but notice that his wife is white. And I don't think that people are consciously doing this. But that is an uncomfortable set of stuff to say about the only black justice on the court. And the fact is, the reason is, is that a black conservative is very hard to digest for certain people in the Democratic Party. They just don't think it makes sense. And he knows that. And that's why he's irritated by them too.

30:21 Yeah. Yeah. That's the mindset for sure. Yeah. So, like, you hit it right on the head before even hearing that clip: the laziness. Everything was to discredit his hard work of getting it to that. Obviously, he's competent, if nothing else, because that was the whole argument about, you know, this is not about when they were trying to get the black female justice in there. It's about her accomplishments that she's competent. You know, it's not about it being tokenism. How do you think those two communicate? I would love to be a flower on the wall. You think he shines her just like, I just can't even look. I mean, he's there colleagues for life. They need to start it.

31:04 They need to start a podcast. I'll produce it. I'll produce it. That would be the greatest podcast. No, just on the topics. That would be a fascinating listen because they're so diametrically opposed, but at the same time, they have how they're viewed. So much in common. The interracial marriages are celebrated. I mean, one is celebrated and one is demonized. Yeah. You know, it's she was, he was the first black, you know what I'm saying? Period. And it would call the token. And now she, you know, saying she was appeared to be a token or called a token. Oh, yeah, totally. But just say they appear to be the way they act publicly, they're like as a

31:47 intimidation. I mean, they're not another way of intimidating, like, Joe Biden, you better do it. Yeah. Well, Joe Biden said, if you don't do it, we don't give you your meds. Did you hear this? That apparently Dr. Jill gives him some pills before he has to be up and ready to do his speech. And in between, he's just sad and doesn't move and just is just lethargic. And you know what? The saddest part about that is if they actually have their access to medicine that could help people with his condition or alleged condition. It's interesting you say that because I was thinking the very same thing. I'm like, what pill does this? Imagine how it could change. I have friends. It could change their lives for their, you know, their parents.

32:31 You know, at least you can get him coherent for, I guess, 12 minutes is what we've deducted. You know, you throw in a pill. He's really good for 12 minutes. Then you have to get him off the stage by 20. But you could probably talk to someone and say, okay, here's what's going on. I got a short window here. Listen carefully. And at this point, this is elder abuse. I mean, it's been elder abuse. So I find that very troubling. So, as I mentioned before, I kind of read the tea leaves because the way they freaked out when RGB died. And this is one of the most viral

33:11 meltdowns I could think of, you know, in a while. And this is the woman freaking out over RBG's death. Holy fucking shit, you guys. I'm driving a car, but I just got a notification that Ruth Vader Gensberg died. Fuck! Could this year get any fucking words? Ruth, you just had to make it to 2021! Oh, man. Uh-huh. You know, she's getting blamed. She's getting blamed for everything now. They've turned on RBG, and it might be for good reason. Oh, oh, okay. Yep. Yep.

33:59 For the life of me, RBG is, you're saying, very smart, was a very smart woman. She had to know every day was given. Why didn't she step down? Is it hubris or is this something different? Yeah, that's that. Okay, so hubris. All right. So this is a puzzle. This is like Wordle. All right. Let me see. Right. that's the only two choices, right? Right. Was it just, I'm going to die in the court and I'm not leaving. All right, right? You know, that's what I mean by Hubris, that I'm going to hold on to this position. They're going to have to roll me out of here. Well, it's

34:43 certainly appeared that way. She had many bouts of cancer and other types of medical and physical issues, which if you were just doing the math, would seem like, hey, you know, maybe I should do something here. But once Trump got in, it was too late for her. But she could have easily stepped down, just like the most recent one, stepped down. Of course she could have, but she would have had to do that during Obama. And why didn't she? Because she wasn't a spring chicken under him. I mean, in 2016, she was having health issues. So I'm just saying that the hubris part for a smart woman that she was doesn't make any sense if you're looking at the political risk that you run.

35:25 Maybe she was apolitical, just completely misinformed over a lot of things. Well, it might be more to it, but let's go ahead and get their reaction for Chris Hage and Rachel Maddow when Roof passed. Oh, yes, this is classic. Chris, I've been watching you all hour talking to other people about what they think about this and about what they think is going to happen next. As you are handing off to me, I am absolutely compelled. It is beyond my means to not ask you what you think and what do you think will happen next?

36:04 I don't, I think it is what Vanita was saying is correct. I don't think he obviously, I don't think McConnell obviously can hold the caucus together for a vote in the next 45 days. I do not think that's a fait accompli. I think Murkowski was sending a very clear signal. And I think Collins does not want to do that. I think it would spell probably the end of her political career, which is already there. With Corey Gardner and Martha McSally, I think there's a little bit of different calculations, but I think they think they're dead anyway, and McConnell will take their votes. So there's two chapters to think about. Does it happen in the next 45 days? And does it happen in the lame duck?

36:39 I don't know that they can get it done in the next 45 days. A confirmation in the lame duck after Donald Trump loses would be one of the most sort of ghastly assaults on sort of legitimacy and democracy I can imagine, but also completely within McConnell's ability. So that's where I am right now. But I don't think the future is unwritten and anyone who tells you they know what's going to happen is wrong. We are in utterly uncharted territory. Now, she died just before the election, correct? 45 days. Bro. He said it three or four times, bro. You're telling me she was whacked?

37:21 It could be that, or it could be she retired herself. Hmm. Too late. I know this is a wild one. I know, but like she didn't know how 2020 was going to go. And like, I want to get out the way. And I know it sounds crazy. I know everybody's like, get the cutest Space Jam music because this is a hell of a reach, but it doesn't make sense to me. One of two ways. I mean, her getting whacked, that could be one way. Or, okay, let me do this. Let me explain. Let me let you hear in her own words how she felt about Roe versus Wade.

38:03 When President Clinton became president, you were obviously somebody being considered. And then President Clinton talked to somebody who was pushing for your appointment, Daniel Patrick Moynihan. And President Clinton said, well, women don't want her. Now, how could that have been the case when you were the leading lawyer in gender discrimination? Why would women have not wanted you, or some women, not wanted you on the Supreme Court? Just some women, and most women were overwhelmingly supported by nomination. But I had written a comment on Roe v. Wade,

38:48 and it was not 100% supporting that decision. Oh, you know? Crap, man. We forget so much as human beings. I know this. I know this. And it's been completely wiped from the record. Okay. All right. I'm all ears. Refresh our memories. And 45 days before one of the most contested elections, she pops up dead. And the thing is, they could have kept her alive for 45 days. Just like the queen in the UK, she's been dead for a couple months. They're just waiting. Just like they do, Joe Biden. I'm sorry I had to do it. I'm sorry.

39:30 I feel bad. No, no, no, no, no. We're joking about it. But I think these things are real. This is a very real possibility that. Oh, wow. Okay. This you blow my mind. It's too early. Stuart. We got to do it. Did she pull her own plug? Oh, man. Because you heard what she said about Roe. So she said, when the women around, when she was trying to get confirmed, now notice. Compare that to now with Katana Brown Jackson, how everybody was on code. She was ostracized by some women, but she wasn't all in. Hey, let me ask you a question. You don't happen to have the Trump when Trump heard the news?

40:13 No, I don't. But if you can dig it up. Here's what, here's. I may not have it. Because I remember that. I remember seeing him looking extremely shocked. He was on the tarmac. He was about to get on the airplane. And someone told him. And he was. And it was a very genuine response that he had. And everybody could see it. I think even leftist media were saying, oh, it was pretty realistic. It could have also been. Well, it could have been that he was completely blown away, particularly by the messaging 45 days, that he realized right away, oh, crap, she did me a favor.

41:00 Or, oh, crap, I just lost a whole bunch of leverage. You think? I mean, I thought it actually, well, if we're sticking with the theory that he lost power by them getting a third judge before he got re-elected. But I think anyone would know that that was just not possible. What's that? To get in 45 days to get a new Supreme Court justice in. I mean, they made it happen. You're right. And that's the thing about it, Chris Hayes. This great thing you just said. Yeah, that's true. There's no way they can pull it together, especially the Republican Party and Mitch McConnell, you know, how everything was going.

41:40 But they made it, they came together and put all their grievances behind it. And like, we had to take a minute. We can't wait to the other side of the election. We got 45 days and they pulled it together. It's crazy, but let's go ahead and get back to RBG and her second part of that clip. What I said was the court had an easy time because the Texas law was the most extreme in the nation. Abortion could be had only if necessary to save the woman's life.

42:21 Doesn't matter that her health would be ruined that she was a victim of rape. Or he says, I thought Roe v. Wade was an easy case, and the Supreme Court could have held that most extreme law unconstitutional and put down its pen. Instead, the court wrote an opinion that made every abortion restriction in the country illegal in one fell swoop. And that was not the way that the court ordinarily operates. You know, it waits, it waits to the next case and the next case.

43:06 Anyway, it was that some women felt that I should have been 100% in favor of Roe v. Wade because I wasn't. Oh, no, she was actually interpreting the issue with the law as correctly. Right. You bring up a law, a specific law, and it will strike it down. And then you bring up another law and we strike it down. Not we write the law. You know what I'm saying? To say, yeah, oh, you're guaranteed this right. You know what I'm saying? By our authority. And I think they had a real

43:45 legal issue with that. You know, because the way it worked is you would now just, in essence, and I can understand why people say it this way, by not allowing any other case law to come before the Supreme Court, you elevated that issue to almost human, almost constitutional right level, which is how people, of course, over the course of 50 years interpreted that, which was the point. Like an amendment. Exactly. Like an amendment. Yes. Constitution. Yes, like an amendment. Which is out of the political power of the court. court. See, like I said, when these people, Clarence Thomas, RGB,

44:28 all of they take law seriously. I know it's like the most obvious statement of the year, but it's a code. And it's just like referees, it's a code. We're going to be unbiased. We're going to call it how the rule book lets us call it. And even though, you know, it may suck, they have to call it that way. And for her to stand up in the face of women in that time, when she, you know, saying when she would have gotten nominated, when she was trying to get on the court, confirmed, she could have easily said, you know what, Caltown. But she stood on her principles. And it's not about the topic itself. It's about how the court was supposed to work.

45:14 Excellent point. I'm so glad you brought this up again. And like you said, it's very meta because this is a bigger discussion of how this country is going to move forward. Is it going to be a federal, you know, like top-down kind of thing? Or is it states are going to have their own identities and you move to the state that better fits you? Well, this is, thank you. This is exactly what's going on. I think most people, even though, you know, they don't, the Electoral College has to go. That's no good, which is fundamental, which is a safety net. So we don't get crazy people in the White House, which, of course, it kind of failed.

45:55 Also, I think a lot of concept, you know, there's very little understanding and there hasn't been many opportunities for interpretation of the Electoral College and the process and what Trump tried to do by refuting it. He tried to deploy the safety net, the parachute, and it didn't unfold. It failed. And that will be looked at, I'm sure, in decades to come. But when you hear constantly, and I'm always pushing against it, our democracy, we don't have a democracy. We're not like the European Union. We're not Germany. We're not Sweden. We don't have a monarchy.

46:36 We're a constitutional republic. I'll let you get away with democratically chosen or democratically represented republic, but you got to have Republic in there. And the constant, oh, January 6th, our democracy, our democracy hangs in the back. We're about to lose our democracy. I don't even know what that means when you lose it. Tell me what that means. It's branding. Well, it's branding. It's brainwashing. It's obvious. It's branding and brainwashing. And it's mainly the socialist party groups, non-governmental organizations that print the signs for the kids to carry. Let's just keep it 100. Okay. 90% of the media is Democrats.

47:17 Leftists. Democrats. I mean, what I mean is they identify politically as Democrats. Obviously, it's bad branding to call ourselves a republic on mainstream media. Oh, no, I understand. But it doesn't matter. It's factually incorrect. Right. But we live, like you said, it's mind control. That's the whole point of their existence is to mind control people. And as long as you start them off young enough and get them on some antidepressants and SSRIs, I think you're just pumping Democrats out of the schooling system. Right. So it's education, media, you know, those demands and information.

48:00 And pharma. Right. You got to soften them up. Got them ready to receive. Soften them up. I've been doing a lot of research on this in the past couple weeks. Oh, yeah. So let's get back to the liberal outrage. I'm thinking about that relationship with him and his wife, and you think about the difference of how justices are treated as they get old. He is the oldest member of the court or will be next year. And he was sick, and there were basically hopes and prayers on Twitter for his demise and the leaks about his wife and his wife's political work.

48:41 On the flip side, when Ruth Bader Ginsburg was ill, the left's outpouring of support was overwhelming. And you really didn't hear anybody on the right speak in that way. Is there something unique about his position? Stop. I got to call Bullcrap right there. Yeah, really. It was so many dead memes going around about RGB. See, this is how they discredit themselves. It was like, is she Deadwatch? And I'm just saying that was part of. the game. It's like, is she dead? It was hilarious. Right. So don't play that. Oh, we were so we were angels.

49:24 It goes both ways. It goes both ways. So you can wind it back a little bit. We can hear him be disingenuous again. Ruth Bader Ginsburg was ill. The left's outpouring of support was overwhelming. And you really didn't hear anybody on the right speak in that way. Is there something unique about his position that engenders that hatred, or is that hatred exist and it just needs a spotlight? And that is Clarence Thomas. Well, I think, look, there is a lot of good faith disagreement with, I mean, his views on constitutional law are, I mean, he does not titrate these. He is, he is maximum strength. And so if you don't see the world the way that he does in terms of those, I understand that vehement disagreement.

50:06 But what I, but what I will tell you is that it is odd. Justice Alito, Justice Gorses, Justice Kavanaugh, Justice Barrett, their views are all pretty close to his. And it is Justice Thomas over and over that earns this. And I'll tell you the truth, though, in fairness, he welcomes it. He knows his sort of philosophy in life is beware of white liberals who are here to help. Wait, beware of white liberals who what are here to help? Well, we know where that comes from. Oh, we're gonna get to that. But before we do, let's back it up a little bit. What could it be between him and the other justices that makes him open target?

50:48 Hmm. Is there anything, any difference we can see? This was the most baffling thing of the whole show. What could it be that you know makes him it's clear as day? They use racial slurs on the team window. I mean, like, hang him, yeah. And it was open season, but see, once again, see, I have to get on both sides of the media. I could see, I guess, this from the tone of it, it's like a more conservative um operation. I think it's news now or something like that. So, I guess they're light right, you know.

51:32 So, uh, yeah, so they have to be careful not to play the race card. Because, on it was interesting, you know, I'm the canary in the coal mine. So, when black Twitter gets through to me, you know, I always take note. Oh, what's this? Oh, it's potent. Yes, this was potent meme about Clarence Thomas. Oh, yeah, and her tweet didn't get down, taken down. She was like, Don't you, don't he realize something like his rights are next? And she hit him with the hard ER. Oh, yeah, and it was people under her that was so-called black

52:10 cheering her own. I can't say that was a majority, but there were those people that was like, Yeah, that was black Twitter, though, right? Because that it was so potent, as you said, that it came through to my timeline. I think the reaction made that like triggered your notification, it worked, doesn't matter, doesn't matter. Yeah, but a lot of people were like, You will say, like, you went too far, you know, or that kind of thing. But there was a minority of people that were black that were like, you know, saying giving her the okay. Yeah, and you know, uh, Samuel Jackson had something to say about Clarence Thomas. It was, yeah, it's very like I said, Clarence Thomas, he's that guy that everybody, Ben Carson, he's the same way.

52:57 Uh, what's the guy out in California? Larry Elders, these are guys that you could take a pot shot at, you know, just for St. Clout, right? You know, so um, yeah, so he, but he wants all trust me, Clarence Thomas wants all the smoke. He understands the power that he wills, and I just find it weird that they turned a blind eye to you know the 2020 election. They thought they had bigger fish to fry, and it's like we're not going to waste our political power on that. And I have a lost episode that will never probably come out. It was called like Clarence Thomas was the cracking, and they didn't wow, yeah, they didn't unleash the cracking cause.

53:40 Like, if it's gonna happen, he had to get his okay. Oh, my God! And the fact that he didn't, it was like that is so smart, Kraken Thomas. I like it, nice, excellent. Oh, wow, he was the Kraken. Oh, yeah, he still is, obviously. He still is, and they understand that, and he got that power as soon as that fifth justice force. I mean, uh, the fucking what fifth uh conservative justice was. unconfirmed. He knew he was like, yes, I got everything I need to push everything back to state rights. Right. Yes. So completely. Where could he get that thinking on white liberals, though? Yeah, I know that.

54:24 I know this one. I know this one, Teach. I know this one. I know this one. Do I just play it? Because I know this one. Yes. Yes, please. It was only 40 episodes ago. The white liberal differs from the white conservative only in one way. The liberal is more deceitful, more hypocritical than the conservative. Both want power, but the white liberal is the one who has perfected the art of posing as the Negro's friend and benefactor. And by winning the friendship and support of the Negro, the white liberal is able to use the Negro as a pawn or a weapon in this political football game that is constantly raging between the white liberals and the white conservatives.

55:07 The American Negro is nothing but a political football. And the white liberals control this ball through tricks or tokenism. Yeah, Malcolm X, of course. Right. And for people who had heard the previous shows about Clarence Thomas, he was very radical in his younger years, even a self-proclaimed Marxist. So he's seen the whole spectrum of politics. Let me ask you a question about what Malcolm X said there. When you were still at the corporation. Working for the man. Working for the man. Would you say the same held true? Did you notice that in everyday life? Because of course you would know, obviously, who was white.

55:52 You probably knew who was white and liberal versus white and conservative. Did you notice literally those traits that Malcolm X spoke about? Or should we only see that more at a political level? It's you understand what I'm saying? It's like, do you think? Yeah, I understand what you're saying. And it's Republicans, conservatives, they're straightforward what they want. I mean, they're very, very clear, you know, on what they want. It's the fact that, for the most part, liberals come with tricks and get your booty to the poll. Right, but that's all political. Political thing up. Yes, I agree.

56:34 And Malcolm X is 100% right. I'm just asking in normal everyday life of a black man in America in a probably reasonably mixed corporate workforce that you were in, did you feel that there were also, if it was a white conservative, that like you just said, it would be clear up front or she. And if it was white liberal, they might lose tricks in the workplace. Or was it not even necessarily white? Was it maybe Asian brown? I mean, did you see that type of behavior more based on liberal of non-black you could? I think I know the question that you're asking. And you could tell how people deal with you, their political leanings before you knew for sure what their political leanings were.

57:20 Oh, just by their approach. Right. Can you give me an example? Okay, like one side would tell you just straight like how it is, or they would be also they'll be very quiet about saying politics. But Democrats feel like they had the moral high ground or liberal people. So they were very voices about their opinion. And then also it was like a persuasion thing. Like, oh, this is what's good for you. It's like, don't you think I know what's good for me? I mean, like, you know, I don't need you to try to persuade me what's good for me. So kind of like you're, you may, you may need some help understanding this. Right.

58:02 Right. That's right. Like, I know you haven't thought about this before, but, you know. Oh, let me help you. Let me assist you so I can feel good about myself. This, once again, not, I hope I use the term correctly, but I think this is matter. Look at her tweet. What did she say? Doesn't this N-word know they're coming for he's a Supreme Court justice. What do you mean? Like that, that kind of thing. Yeah, I know. I don't think Clarence Thomas could ever qualify as an N-word with the ER. No, but what I'm saying is like she was enlightening him

58:40 on the impact of his decision. It's like that part. It's like, I guess I'm connecting the dumb N-word. You know, it's like, hey, you dumb N-word. Right. You know, that's kind of what that was. No, yeah, but that's the point I'm trying to make is that their approach, the liberal approach, is to persuade you with some kind of. mind control. Let's just call it what it is. It's mind control. Now, both sides use it. Oh, yeah. Let me give you an example. Just doing this very show, I've received probably more tweets than emails

59:22 of accusing me, saying, Well, I hope you feel good with what you're doing. Is this to ease your conscience? Go ahead. I know those tweets. And I think that's coming from very conservative people on the right, I think. Right. Not from leftists. They don't listen. On the left, they can't even imagine it. They can't listen. They can't listen to the show. In general, generalizing, of course. Really? Yeah. Oh, yeah. I would say so. No, I'm just saying that. You would think the open-minded side would be, you know, let me listen. I think that's the best. That would be the sign of open-mindedness.

1:00:01 But as the people who listen to us, to us banter are very centrist in general, I'd say. Extremely centrist. Common sense-based. I mean, logic-based, reason-based. And hungry for knowledge. They feel, in fact, most people who listen, I think they feel, especially if you can stick with us for one episode, you'll feel cheated. You'll feel cheated out of what you thought you knew, what you were taught, what you learned. Yeah, I think you feel just like, holy crap, how come I don't know any of this? I think that's what most people think. That's how I feel for sure. And to get back to your question,

1:00:48 the difference is, and it played out on a global scale. You had American Nazis and you had German Nazis. Like the German Nazis was like, oh, yeah, we duck walking down the down the street, you know what I'm saying, with all our emblazoned, you know, military gear on. American Nazis showed up, and this is a little foreshadowing. So I'm going somewhere here. Showed up in white coats and, you know, humanitarian aid, you know, that kind of thing. Let me help you. It's like both of y'all want the same thing, but it's their approach.

1:01:25 You know, that's the perspective I think Malcolm X was speaking from. It's like, at least I know why the German Nazis are here and I can defend against that, but deception is just something else to worry about on top of. What's sad about this comparison is that basically all white people are Nazis. They're just the ones that are open about it and the ones that are not open about it. All white supremacists are. Okay. And we're definitely going to get to that later in the show as well. But let's go ahead and get to it. Where we stop at? 1213. Well, if they can't persuade you, then they'll just threaten you. Overnight, FBI investigators searched the California home of the man the FBI says traveled from there to Washington, D.C.

1:02:10 to attack a Supreme Court justice. At about one o'clock Wednesday morning, police say a man dressed in black with a suitcase and a backpack got out of a taxi in front of the home of Justice Brett Kavanaugh, who lives in suburban Maryland. They say after spotting two federal marshals outside the house, he walked a block away and called 911. Hey, guys, he's having his final and homicidal thoughts. Police say he told him he came to kill the justice and was armed. While he was still on the phone with police, officers arrived and arrested him. Court documents identify him as Nicholas John Roski, age 26, of Simi Valley, California. They say he was carrying a handgun, ammunition, a knife, pepper spray, and burglary tools.

1:02:53 Investigators say he told him he was upset that the Supreme Court might overturn Roe v. Wade and loosen gun laws and that he planned to kill the justice and then himself. That's a good report. I hadn't heard. I knew what happened, but I didn't have that clip. A lot of people did know it happened because if you think one of the highest political figures, well, I mean, quote-unquote political figures in the country, assassination attempts. Oh, there was no reporting on it. There was very little reporting. The fact silence is deafening. Silence is violence, Mo. Obviously,

1:03:34 but it's this kind of thing right here. So when I heard this, I'm like, okay, the first question you have to ask in this situation is, is he MK Ultra or not? I mean, because you just show up from California in a taxi. It would be nice to have a little more information than that. I didn't know about the taxi part either. Yeah, he flew from California. bring the gun with you? Did you get it when you got here? It's just so convenient that you could find a gun in it. I mean, I think it said it was in D.C. or Maryland, excuse me. You know, still tough gun laws. Very tough. You know, right.

1:04:14 So you just come. I need these questions. Certainly out of state. I mean, I don't think you can just fly in and buy, can you? I don't think in D.C. you can do D.C. I think Virginia is probably the most gun-friendliest. So maybe he got in Virginia. That's possible. Possible. But I'm just saying, we need to have these questions answered. And the fact that he, well, let's get more into this story. Attorney General Merrick Garland, who's a former federal judge himself, said he earlier took steps to increase security for the justices. Threats of violence and actual violence, I guess the justices, of course, strike at the heart of our democracy. We do everything we can to prevent them and to hold people who do them accountable.

1:04:58 Was that Roberts himself? No. Who said that? That was him. No, man, shut up with your democracy. To prevent them and to hold people who do them accountable. Garland acted after protesters showed up at the homes of Kavanaugh and two other justices following the leak of a draft of the court's abortion ruling. Congress is now considering a bill to provide more money for securing the justices and their families. But last month's murder of a retired Wisconsin judge and the shooting attack at the home of a federal judge in New Jersey nearly two years ago that killed her son have prompted new calls for more security for judges, including a measure now before Congress that would block personal information about judges and their families from the internet.

1:05:46 Investigators say that continues to be a concern. They say that Roski told him that he got the idea of coming to kill Justice Kavanaugh after finding the justice's home address on the internet. Roski has been charged with attempted murder of a federal judge. No comment from his lawyer, Savannah. All right, P. Williams, thank you very much. And no follow-up from the media. Thank you very much. Not at all. These cops and stuff should be celebrated, right? They saved the life of a justice. No fanfare, no nothing, no reporting. That lets me know that something, something don't smell right in my book. You're right. And I didn't dive into it. I'm kind of kicking myself over it.

1:06:31 And the choice of which justice it was. Now, we hate Clarence Thomas, but we can't be threatened to kill him now. No, that won't work. That could backfire. Although you could probably do it now. They might have backfired then. No, you don't think so? No, I'm saying, but this was recent. This was after the leak. No, it's in motion. I know. Yeah, that's about no. Now, see, that would be jumping. And they understood that. Now we can't go at the Clarence Thomas. You know, we can kill his reputation, but we can't threaten him with violence for one of two reasons. One, because that's just bad optics.

1:07:17 You know, a white man trying to kill a black man. That's just what I'm saying. I think we're at the point right now with this discussion. We've so lost sight of Clarence Thomas being black. I don't think people see that anymore. They see him as evil as the problem in the way. I think they could have white men threatening black man in this case because that's how crazy it has gotten. I think that's a hard sale. And we speak completely hypothetical. Yeah, yeah. Of course, it's ill-advised. Yeah, let's just take the other man out. I mean, we can't, Amy, nah, she's a woman. Yeah. Clarence, he's black. Who else we got? You know what I'm saying? It's the obvious first target. Yeah, of course.

1:08:00 Right. He's the youngest, too. So, I mean, you're going to save yourself a lot of years. And we're talking about this in jest and gallows humor, but it's conversations that happen like this to say who, who, even if it's, let's send him a message, like when these people used to be running in the White House with Obama before big decisions. It's like, let's just send him a little, you know, a little message. Oh, yeah. It's a real message then. Because you got to listen to this guy's quote-unquote programming in the 911 call. Hearing for the first time the 911 recording for the man charged with threatening to kill Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh. He called police on himself, telling 911 he had a gun and he intended to harm Justice Kavanaugh.

1:08:45 WUSA 9 investigator reporter Nathan Baca has just released or just listened to that 911 recording. What did we learn? Well, according to the charging documents, Nicholas. Nicholas Rosk of California called 911 Wednesday morning, telling an operator he was right around the corner from Justice Kavanaugh's Montgomery County home. He confessed he had a firearm, pepper spray, and a knife. The Montgomery County police said they found those items in Rosk's luggage. In the 911 call, Ross claims he just came from the airport. He doesn't say whether he passed those weapons through airport security. For a total of 15 minutes, the 911 operator kept Ross calm and talkative until police could confront him. Here is Rosk in his own words after saying he wanted to hurt Kavanaugh and himself.

1:09:30 I need psychiatric help because I didn't think I could get away with it. And also, I've been for a long time. I've been hospitalizing multiple times. At no time in his 911 call did Ross give any political statement or give any motive for wanting to harm Justice Kavanaugh. Now, detectives say Rosk later admitted to being upset about his perception of Justice Kavanaugh's positions on abortion rights and gun control. There's a lot more on these tapes. We're working to bring you more tonight on the news at 11. Oh, man, this is so good. I have to get a copy of the whole 9-11 call. But listen, as I've been delving into things, you know, obviously you've probably heard of Devil's Breath. You know, this is white powder you can kind of drop in front of somebody.

1:10:13 Oh, yeah, from Brazil. It's called S. I know exactly what you're talking about. The Devil's Breath. But what I've learned in open dialogue with the No Agenda, No Agenda Nation about SSRIs, first of all, a lot of people are on them. You know, see these psychotropic drugs and antidepressants. But also, there's something called Adderall-induced psychosis. And several people have emailed me about girlfriends, children, et cetera, who have will be taking Adderall all of a sudden. They just go nuts. And, you know, and all kinds of things, you know, some become sex addicts, you know, others start stealing, and they don't know what's going on until they're taken off Adderall.

1:10:57 I mean, so there's so many ways into the human psyche, the human brain. This guy sounds like he didn't even need a handler. He just needs to watch MSNBC and he could come to that conclusion. Obviously, a nudge would help, right? But to get on your airplane, fly from California to DC, right? Oh, none of that makes sense. You have to be politically driven, but when you call 911, you don't mention politics at all. No, because the MK Ultra programming was wearing off. The guy had a moment of it's like, you know, it's like the people. No, listen, I'm serious. You know, it's the people who, you know, they

1:11:41 wake up during intubation on a ventilator and they pull all the shit out themselves. And they get up and they walk out of the hospital and they're pretty much fine. There's multiple stories of that during COVID. It's kind of like that. You know, you're coming a little bit out of the fog. Like, what am I going to do? I mean, totally. It wore off. Something happened. Maybe he got anti-triggered by something. Maybe you got the call. It's like, no, it's the test run. Self-destruct. Agent Smart, you can stop. Yeah, exactly. Self-destruct. Or maybe that was always the intent. Gosh, I'd love to know. Did he get a phone call? The full 911 call out there is out there, and he sounds very confused.

1:12:24 He calls the cops. Then he calls the cops, hangs up, then calls them back. Like, I'll come call you right back. And it's a very weird, weird situation. And the fact that it took 15 minutes and Kavanaugh's house had a detail on it. So you got this guy standing at the corner on the phone for 15 minutes. Another excellent point. None of this makes sense, but one thing I want to let people know is killing judges is real. Like, that's something you would think would be more talked about all around the world. It happens all the time. Right. And it's one case I want to bring up that you probably, I'm sure you covered it, but we all forget about these things.

1:13:08 But she was the first female Muslim U.S. judge found dead in New York. The first female Muslim judge in the United States was found dead in the Hudson River on Wednesday. According to Reuters, police said Sheila Abdus Salam was found floating off Manhattan's west side at about 1:45 p.m. She was 65 years old. Police pulled her clothed body from the water and she was pronounced dead at the scene. An autopsy will determine the cause of death, police said. Abdus Salam became the first African-American woman named to the Court of Appeals when New York Governor Andrew Cuomo appointed her to the New York court in 2013. She was also the first female Muslim to serve as a judge in the U.S., according to the Princeton Encyclopedia of American.

1:13:49 American Political History. The New York Post reported that Amja Salam had been reported missing from her Harlem home earlier on Wednesday, citing unnamed sources. Now, they say she's African-American. Was she African-American? Is she Ados, or was she? I don't think so. I'm not sure her origin, but I don't think she's Ados. But if you listen, she had a lot of checks in her, you know what I'm saying? In her bias. Yeah. You got first female, Muslim, black, you know, and nobody talks about her.

1:14:32 Yeah, there's something that one would be seeing. You know what the problem is? It's part of the same problem. The respect of the rule of law is being subverted. You know, obviously, with the threatening of Supreme Court justices Boingu, when people no longer respect, revere, et cetera, judges, that's literally not respecting the law. And that's a very dangerous situation, especially when it's not even really discussed much or reported, or it isn't much of an outrage, no matter where the judge is from. If you can't, and that's part of it's by the same making because we look at attorney generals placed by Soros.

1:15:18 I mean, if anything, what the Open Society Institute has done with district attorneys throughout the United States, it's not about, I mean, it's really about people losing respect for the law, I think. That seems to be like the strategy. Well, it's allowed respect for, I mean, they're allowed to lose respect for the law. But see, the thing is, they can turn that on and off anytime they want to. And I'm a firm believer that a lot of this is control demolition, for lack of a better word. You know, so you have to tear the old system down to build up this new

1:15:59 data-driven justice system. Yeah. And when it's all said and done, you're going to see what? You're going to see harsher crime bill 2.0 come. Yeah. I think mass incarceration is not going to be needed. It's going to be like home incarceration, home incarceration. Home incarceration. Check in. You got a smartphone. You can only be in these certain sectors at this certain time. And they can successfully do this. And it'll just be, you know, and all of this is setting up perfectly. You know, they understand when they let 2020 happen and that proverbial glass shattered,

1:16:40 they know how to clean up, trust me, because you saw in Manhattan when it started to spill over into Manhattan, that quickly ended. That ended real fast. Real fast. They were like, whoa, whoa, now you're getting out of control, but that's the way the system worked. But my point is, this is great campaign material. You know, who killed her? You know, you don't hear anybody say her name. You know, and why is that? We don't know anything about it. We have no perp. We have no, do we even have the actual cause of death? Was she dead before she was thrown in? Well, it was 17 might answer your question.

1:17:19 Oh, okay. Drailblazing New York State Appeals Court judge, the Honorable Sheila Abdus Salam, was found dead in the Hudson River last week. The 65-year-old was the first African-American woman to sit on the highest New York state court. Now, on April 12th, her body was pulled out of the Hudson River near West 132nd Street by the NYPD Harbor Unit. Now, the area is buzzing because of the high-profile nature of this death. Not since New York Supreme Court Justice Joseph Crater's disappearance in the 30s have we seen such a mystery surrounding a judge's death in the state of New York. He went missing for almost a decade and was declared dead in 1939, but they never found his body.

1:18:02 Now, I'm in Newark right now in front of her husband's home. His name is Gregory A. Jacobs. He's a priest at the Episcopal Diocese of Newark. Nobody answered the door when I knocked. Now, initially, law enforcement were treating her death as a suicide, but now the death is being deemed suspicious. The NYPD has said, and I quote, there's no apparent trauma to her body. They don't believe that she was in the water for a very long time. Hmm. Wow. You'd think, I mean, this is, well, it's on, John and I were talking about this. It's on the level of easy news you can score big clicks and ratings with.

1:18:44 Like, Hunter Biden, just show one picture of the crackpipe. Instant ratings. No. No, we can't do that. So there's reasons. But I'm speaking politically. Say her name. I mean, this is. Yeah. Was she killed because she was a Muslim? Was she killed because she was black? Was it crime-related? Did she have a bad opinion on someone? Right. It's so many politically, it could be used in so many different ways as a campaign mechanism for violence against women. Politicians don't care, Mo. They take orders. No, they care about elections.

1:19:24 And everything I talk about when I talk about policy is not about governance. It's about getting people into those polls and the pool that level or keeping them out of it. But we're saying this is. And this is great material, but it's not being used because of some order. Yeah, that's my point. And the fact, well, let's go ahead and get to the next clip. Now, in a statement, Abdus Salam's husband vehemently denies the suicide reports. He's quoted as saying that they have no basis in reality. And also, he goes on to say: those of us that have loved Sheila and know her well do not believe that any of these unfounded conclusions have any basis in reality.

1:20:02 And we believe such speculations to be unwarranted and irresponsible. I'm sure he wasn't happy with the initial response from Mayor DeBlasio, where he wrote basically that he was calling it a suicide in a quote. He's had obviously facilitating for the full investigation, but to the extent of the challenges and stresses in her life that contributed to this, it's a reminder that even the most accomplished people still deal with extraordinary challenges inward. That's what he wrote last week. We spoke to retired NYPD Detective Sergeant Joe Jackalone. Detectives always treat deaths as if they're suspicious until proven otherwise. That's the correct way to handle any death investigation. It doesn't matter if the person's 100 or they're 40 or they're a judge or they're, you know, whatever.

1:20:44 What changed the narrative here was the fact that the medical examiner came out with a matter of death of undetermined. Now, the NYPD has released this flyer on Twitter urging people with information to contact the 26th precinct if they know anything about Abdus Salam's death. What's very interesting is the New York Post, citing sources, so you don't know if it's 100% correct because it's not official, stated that there was water in her lungs. And that only happens when someone goes into the water alive. Not going to speculate on what happened here, but it's really important that they solve this because the judicial system is the one great thing we've got in this country. Wow. What was that from? Those reports. Do you remember? That was, I don't remember.

1:21:26 It was like a YouTube type news channel. Okay. It was a professional operation. Yeah, fascinating. Yeah. I'm glad there's two of us. Why is it not used, though? I mean, I don't know, man. I don't like it. Like Michael McCair, everything's a political football. Yeah. It makes sense. And when they don't use stuff, it doesn't make sense. It's a reason why. Just like how they can't use Uvalde. Because if it, you know, if it was a white guy that did that, that fit the profile, oh, they could use it, but we can't use the brown kid. Because trust me, the cops, if the white shoe and the way the cops reacted, they will be tearing this story up.

1:36:40 And the more value you send, it's funny how it works, the more value you get back. Don't see it as returning something, seeing it as putting it in, paying it forward, and it works even better for you. I've been doing it for 15 years. Give it a shot. Mofax.com, mofundme.com. That's where you can support us. Thanks again. All right. So we talked about the domestic and the political implications of the overturning of Roe versus Wade. But this also has global implications as well. So what I want to do now, this is just a report, I think, from CBS, if I want to say. And this is the world reacts to the U.S. overturning Roe versus Wade. The court's ruling is reverberating far beyond the country's borders.

1:37:25 CBS says Ian Lee is in our London Bureau with the international reaction. Ian. Adriana, the court's ruling made the front pages despite the UK's own current political turmoil, underscoring the significance of the decision. When the Supreme Court struck down Roe versus Wade, the whole world was watching and reacted. In Paris, several dozen protesters took to the streets in solidarity. French President Emmanuel Macron tweeted, abortion is a fundamental right for all women. It must be protected. Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau also took to social media saying, the news coming out of the United States is horrific.

1:38:07 No government, politician, or man should tell a woman what she can and cannot do with her body. British Prime Minister Boris Johnson also condemned the decision. Clearly, it has massive impacts on people's thinking around the world. It's a very important decision. I've got to tell you, I think it's a big step back. backwards. The overturning of Roe comes as many countries have eased restrictions on abortions in recent years, including overwhelmingly Catholic Ireland, Mexico, and Colombia. But the Vatican praised yesterday's decision, saying, By choosing life, our responsibility for the future of humanity is at stake.

1:38:47 According to the Center for Reproductive Rights, the United States now joins just two other countries who have restricted abortion in the 21st century. Compare that to roughly 50 countries over the past decades who've made getting an abortion easier for women. All right, my first response. Because, of course, I follow this because I read foreign publications and I read some of them in their native language, and it was baffling. Now, already the European news media is so thin in their journalism that a lot of it is copy-paste from the United States or from the CNN or whatever. It's just easy for you. It's easy because it's written six to ten hours before you wake up in Europe.

1:39:30 You wake up in the morning, scan the stories, translate it to a different language, and you've got everything you need. So it's a very easy job in that regard. What's hilarious about these protests is that every single one of those countries does have restrictions. Some of them, you know, six weeks. So there's more restrictions than you think in these European countries. So it was something completely different. Obviously, you heard Catholic Ireland and above all, the Pope. The Pope made a big deal about this. Very surprising. If you could wind it, I know you probably disposed of the question, but I still got it.

1:40:10 If you can, what did the Pope actually say? I've listened to that thing like 10 times and I can't make any sense of it. The overturning of Roe comes as many countries have eased restrictions on abortions in recent years, including overwhelmingly Catholic Ireland, Mexico and Colombia. But the Vatican praised yesterday's decision, saying, by choosing life, our responsibility for the future of humanity is at stake. According to the Center for Reproductive Rights, the United States. Yeah. No, by choosing life, no, it was complete double speak. And that's basically what he said. He said, no, no, this abortion is good.

1:40:54 Right. I mean, but they, but he prefaced that statement with, you know, like they show support. Listen to that one more time. No, I know. It was 1984 double speak. And you're so right. Let's listen again. In recent years, including overwhelmingly Catholic Ireland. Mexico and Colombia. Right, it was before then. I'm sorry. I'm going to tell you, I think it's a big step backwards. No, no, you're fine. It comes after that. Oh, really? Overturning of Ireland. Mexico and Colombia. But the Vatican praised yesterday's decision, saying.

1:41:32 Okay, so the Vatican praised yesterday's decision. By choosing life, our responsibility for the future of humanity is at stake. By choosing life all saying, by choosing life, our responsibility for the future of humanity is at stake. By choosing life, our responsibility. Wow. I can't. This sounds bad. I mean, just when you listen to it, they're saying, by choosing life, our responsibility is at stake. I'm just, I'm, I'm surmising what they said, but how's that praise?

1:42:14 That one, that's very nuts. That one. Whoever wrote that was a wizard. I mean, oh, yeah, no, it's well, it's obviously a script. But the way I understand, understood, but and I'd have to go read it now verbatim, but I think the Pope was basically saying, you know, this is this is good, but abortion is good. I mean, I don't know. It was very odd. You know, this is a very progressive Pope. Yeah. What is your, what is your take on what the Pope Pope stance is? I think the way I interpret it was the same way you did is that

1:42:53 he couldn't outright come out and support it. And that's why I harped on the way that statement was released that they show praise. Is that like, period? And then he said what he said as far as like, oh, but I think it could be, you know, problematic. You know, it's very crafty the way they, and I'm doing showing this. So this is how they slip stuff in your subconscious. subconscious. And it's for a reason to say America is the only second country and all these other countries. Let's be clear, these religious countries, we're making headway, so don't doom. Like, oh, yeah, we're on the right path. You know, this is a problem, but you know, the same way with Chris Hayes,

1:43:38 he understood what was going to happen when RGB died, but they have to come out and say, oh, we can't let the followers doom and gloom out. We have to, you know, we have to shape it in a certain way. You know, there's so interesting. If we're really getting to, and I'm a firm believer that the bank, the financial community who really run the world, that they're all in on the great reset. Popes aren't supposed to resign, even though we did see that in our lifetime. So what I'm hearing is that there's the new era, they're getting everything set. The Queen of England, they're trying to do everything they can to not have Charles become king.

1:44:23 So whether she's actually dead or not, she might as well be. She's completely off the radar. And apparently, that is supposed to stay that way until the Pope, this Pope, resigns. And I think he's going to complete his changes to the Catholic Church. Certainly, you know, what you see with what's what's happened with these kind of like shadow cardinals that have been appointed in China. I mean, this, if anything, I'd say all that reporting about Roe v. Wade was purely to affect Christians. Of course. I mean, and it's an undertone to that as well. It's the

1:45:10 unintelligent. It's the backwards. If you notice the meme, you didn't catch it. So I'm going to give it to you. Big step backwards. He said it, and then that was the title of the video for Joy. No, excuse me, a giant step backwards. Yeah. This is regression at its finest. This is us going back to the stone ages of, you know, believing, not believing in science. This proves to me that science is a religion. Oh, totally. We've talked about it a lot on the show, but this kind of proves that science runs counter to religion. There is no commingling of the two.

1:45:52 Yeah, and it would be, I would say it's religion for the atheists. Because, of course, science is not a religion, not an actual religion, but it's used in a human psyche appears to need something like that. Something you can turn to when you don't understand the world, and you can turn to God and have a chat with him, or you can put blind faith into science. Right. And when we say science, we're not talking about the scientific method. No, which is proving whatever the scientists say, that's science. Correct. And it's kind of synonymous in a way with how religion is being treated now from the post aspect.

1:46:37 You have what's written, and then you have this is my interpretation of it, you know, kind of thing. So it's happening on both sides. So the elephant in the room is eugenics. We had to talk about it. And that's why I think the global is part of the Build Back Better. It's part of the Great Reset. It's part of the Agenda 21, Agenda 2030. Yes. And basically, it boils down to two sides I've always talked about. There's really only two sides of this: more people and less people. That's really the two sides. And science has figured out with the

1:47:20 improvements of science and the developments and discoveries of what they make, real science, that we don't need people anymore. Or we don't need as many people anymore. Correct. And this was the main tenant of the Georgia Guidestones that got blown up recently. This has been the tenet of Bill Gates with his vaccination strategy, whether he plans to kill people with them or not. The end result is we won't have a population explosion. It is what the population bomb book was about in the 70s. Many of the people still in the population bomb group who thought we were going to just be the world will be overrun with useless human eaters.

1:48:05 Of course, that didn't actually take place. And we've been able to kind of feed everybody more or less. If we didn't intervene, it might be more. And then finally, now universally accepted and discussed, which is one of the most baffling things for me because for 15 years, I've mentioned throughout my podcast career that Margaret Sanger was a member of the American Eugenist Society. I think that's what it was. And Planned Parenthood, by her own messaging, was a eugenicist tool. And that is now even discussed openly as well. You know, of course, Planned Period has a problematic history, but anyway,

1:48:47 and it was specifically meant to stop black babies from being born. So, yeah. Yes. And not exclusively, though. It's the unfit. That's the real issue. So let's don't take my word for it. Clarence Thomas even has some belief in eugenics. Or this, not himself, but belief in this whole group of creepy people. Bat value. Yeah. Lizard people. There you go. Yeah. Lizards, yes. All right, Justice Clarence Thomas writing today that abortion is an act, quote, rife with the potential for eugenic manipulation.

1:49:27 Let's bring in Fox News contributor Richard Fowler and the president of live action Lila Rose to discuss. Welcome to you both. Good to see you, Shannon. Okay, so I want to read a little bit more of this back and forth from the footnotes between Justice Thomas and Justice Ginsburg. Justice Thomas saying this: Given the potential for abortion to become a tool of eugenic manipulation, the court will soon need to confront the constitutionality of laws like Indiana's. And, you know, Richard, I read this thing. He was in pages and pages on the history of eugenics and how birth control and abortion were aimed at eradicating people who were viewed as unfit or should have never been born. Oh, man. Before we get to the unfit part, let's just say with the black part.

1:50:08 Because I have an example which kind of plays into this. A guy named Daniel J. Lewis, who is a podcast consultant, but he's been around podcasting since the early days. And I've known him for a long time. And when we started Podcasting 2.0, he jumped right in. I mean, this is a guy who, you know, he does numbers, he sells stats to corporations. He's very, very deeply entrenched, knows how everything works. Great guy. And a guy you can argue with over, you know, should we use JSON or RSS? You know, you can argue with him over stuff. I like him a lot. Christian, conservative Christian.

1:50:48 And he, by really, I think, in a way, a miracle, he was voted in as a member of the podcast academy. Now, the podcast Academy, I wouldn't want my corpse a member of the podcast academy because it is, you know, no taking. Yeah, please. Corpse cannot be. They started by, it started around the podcast awards, which was cute in the beginning, but it makes no sense, you know, with the diversity. And, you know, there's no industry. It's a decentralized thing. So it's, it was a little bit of a circle jerk, but it's okay. And then what it evolved into is an organization that, you know, people, of course, if you're a professional podcast, you feel like you have to be a member and pay your member dues.

1:51:30 And with that money, they create opportunities and education for minorities in podcasting. And so the boy, Del Ray McKesson, I think, he's, is that him? He's like the board president. What is it? Del Mary. No, D-Ray? D-Ray, D-Ray. Not blue vest guy. Yeah, I think so. Podcast. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I knew you'd like this. Let me just get you about, let me see who the governors are. Leadership. Oh, yeah. Leadership. He's got leaders. Put me on the board. Oh, yeah. Oh, no, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Not D-Ray. I made a mistake. I was about to say, just as good.

1:52:13 Hold on. Donald Albright. Okay. Do you know him? No, I don't. Oh, these are mega wokes. Oh, here he is. Yeah. D-Ray McKesson. Yeah, D-Ray McKesson. He's on. Let me give you. Does he have the blue vest on in the picture? Yes, he has the blue vest on in the picture. Tell me about the blue vest. That was his trademark. Remember when the Black Lives Matter first came about? Oh, yeah. Yeah. The guy in the blue vest, the little skinny black guy in the blue. Yeah, D-Ray's on there. Christina Moore from Don't Skip Media. So this is a complete BLML GBBT QQIAPK plus Noodle Boy organization.

1:52:56 And their entire marketing, their dry, well, let's see. This is important, actually. I don't mean to distract us too much, but. No, no, no, no, no. Very important. Let me give you the mission. The podcast, mission. Our mission is to support podcasts. podcast makers and advance the cultural merit of the medium. Through programs including the Ambies, that's our award show. We celebrate, inspire, and connect creators from around the world while attracting new audiences to their work. And so, what they do is they promote BLM LGBTQ type programming, which is fine. What's funny about it is there was just a big survey that came out about podcast creators, and it's wildly diverse.

1:53:39 There's no need for the podcast academy to help any. It's wildly diverse. All kinds of religions, races, everything's out there in much more diverse proportions than anyone expected. So, anyway, so Daniel J becomes, he's voted in, and he's not even in a month. And Roe v. Wade is spiking up, and he posts a response to someone on Twitter, which, of course, is all his mistake. He posts, this is about black babies being murdered. Dude, he got canceled so fast. They tore him off the board.

1:54:22 They wouldn't even discuss his, you know, his statement because, of course, they forced him to resign ultimately. They had a secret vote to kick him off so that we don't even know who voted for or against. And he was deemed a racist because he used the, oh, he said blacks, not the blacks. He said blacks. Remember, we had a question about that, a booster gram question. And you said, no, if you say the blacks, yeah, that has a racial undertone. But blacks, you had no problem with. He got torn apart and completely misinterpreted because I understood what, again, he should not have done that because you can't explain things to people, to Twitter people.

1:55:03 What he meant was, hey, Planned Parenthood has literally killed, I wouldn't say murdered, but I would say killed millions of black babies. That was his point. And even removed from all that, without actually discussing what he said, completely ignoring that, they canceled his. I mean, I was emailing with him just to see if he was okay. I mean, that can't be the global message. Yes. This is why I want to make this about. Love you, Daniel J. This is about the two groups, more people or less people. And when you go against that more people, I mean, that less people group,

1:55:49 this is a huge contingency of theirs that we have to, and a huge component of their message that we have to have less people. Now, the methods are different, but the goal is they're on board with this completely. And I have clips at the clips, and you brought up the population bomb. Yeah. And this was really not the first because we're going to go way back before this, but this was one of the waves where people bought into the world is coming to an end, as we hear with climate change. And people were scared into believing the population bomb.

1:56:29 Overpopulation, so long predicted, has stolen upon us. It's getting worse week by week. In the 1960s, a new kind of fear began to spread across America. The U.S. could be busting out at the seams by the end of the century. If we do not, by humane means, limit our numbers, then numbers are going to be limited by more famines and shortages and consequent social conflicts. The idea that human population was outstripping the Earth's ability to support mankind was a powerful one. And it was one man, Stanford biologist Paul Ehrlich. Population growth will kill you, stone cold, dead, who pushed the dramatic message home.

1:57:07 If we continue to let population grow, and if we continue to exploit the underdeveloped countries, if we continue to pollute the seas with a wide variety of compounds and so on, it's very difficult for me to picture things holding together for more than another decade or so. The basic point is so simple. We have a finite planet with finite resources, and in such a system, you can't have infinite population growth. Yeah. Well, which turned out to be completely untrue. Well, this is where religion plays a huge part in it. And, you know, I don't speak much about my faith other than that I am a man of faith. I made that very clear. But I don't like to speak about it too in depth because

1:57:53 that's like a capture audience. If we want to have a religious conversation and frame it that way so people know what they're getting into. It's kind of like those, hey, here's a sandwich to a homeless guy. Let me talk to you about the Bible. It's like that kind of like. you know what I'm saying? Like, that's, I don't, I don't like that. You know what I'm saying? I think religious conversations should be engaged in voluntarily. Your approach to faith has worked much better than any other one on me, no? And the reason why I'm going to say this is where religion comes in, and I appreciate it. Thank you. Is that God or the Bible, or God of the Bible, says, be fruitful and multiply.

1:58:33 Yes. That's a huge message throughout the Bible. And to say the world is finite and it can't support that is actually anti-Christ or anti-God messaging. No, I'm just saying. Not on religious. You just put my view into my frame of mind into a whole different view. So, with this in mind, burn the churches in France. Tucker Carlson, hated. Maybe he's not so hated for his views. Maybe he's hated more because he has five children, four or five children. Of course. I almost have to apologize for having four kids. I mean, like,

1:59:12 people are like, here's what's interesting. Elon Musk, one of his main uncriticized, uncriticized weirdness, I'll just call it weirdness, is his 10 children. You know why? Tell me. I'm going to give you a guess. Why do you think they're treated differently than, say, a Tucker Carlson's five kids, even though he has 10? Well, my view is he's on their team, but that's not probably not the answer you're thinking of. They're scientifically fit babies. Well, I said this. I said this the other day on the show. I said, I think he's cloning himself.

1:59:52 Well, that's what actually have a kid is. No, but I crazy. But I understand what you're saying. Like, literally. Well, you know, two of the pregnancies, the triplets and the twins, was IVF, which is how you get triplets and twins. But maybe it wasn't, oh, gee, we wanted a kid. We got three of them. No, it's like, damn, perfect. We got three of me. So here's the thing: we have to listen to the terms that are used. The group is called planned parenthood. Planned. They have no problem with two Ivy Lee people getting together and having a baby and having a quote-unquote fit baby. Yes, you mean like an ubermensch, like blonde hair, blue eyes type thing.

2:00:37 It thought out. It was thoughtful. That was correct. That's what they want. It's not planning parenthood. It's planned. It was already planned. So that's your interpretation right now, which I like for saying that. So we condone that. What we eliminate is unplanned parenthood because the likelihood of that being producing an unfit product or human resource, as you call them, is very high. And we have to eliminate, we have to make space for the planned babies. And that's why I think Elon Musk is not seen as because I'm sure they say, oh, he's a very scientific person.

2:01:15 He's taking every precaution, you know, like, you know, to make sure those children will be fit and value adding to the world. Because you made a term and you said, useless eaters. This is, this is, this is, that's, that's it in a ball of wax. Is that, are you a drain on this world or are you a positive? A net positive, a net positive. Yes. Yeah. That that's that's where everything bought, and that's why, because that's why it's very religious and anti-religious, just on the sole notion that if you believe, and this, like I said, I don't want to

2:01:56 like browbeat anybody into this, but if you are a believer, you believe multiplying is part of the plan. Yes. Yes. And to be counter to that makes you counter religion. So I just want to lay that out. So well, this is a great perspective that there's no left or right. There's only more people or less people. That's it. That's boiling it down. Yeah. And notice, gas, you want more people. You selling cars. You want more people. You selling physical products. You want more people. That's more customers. That's corporate growth. You want to print money and just send money from the government to people. You want less people. Well, that makes sense. I know. I'm not coming. It does.

2:02:37 It makes plenty of sense. People are like, how do they think that this is going to print? Yes. I will pay for one of you today instead of two or three of you next week. Yeah. You know, just like the yellow jackets, you know what I'm saying? The same thing. That's how they look at it. It's like, you're an inconvenience in our environment. And we have to get rid of you. This is where AI comes into place, where I think we've maybe talked about it. The metaverse, you know, Facebook's meta. The idea is probably to get everybody in their virtual environment at home. No need to tell people that they're locked up at home. They'll do it gladly. WFH. The Dutch government just

2:03:17 made working from home a human right in the Netherlands. So you can demand to work from home. And then basically you'll have your AI glove on or whatever, and you'll be controlling a robot in likely somewhere in Asia. And you'll just be doing that movement with the arm and you'll be bolting the thing on until the machine can do it itself. Which, hold on, I am a proponent of work from home. And actually, I like that idea. See, people think they got me all figured out. But the reason why I say that is one of the first things we talked about when we first started this show was: I believe one parent should be in the household.

2:03:59 Yes. So this opens that opportunity where that could be a reality. Now, the problem is having a job that is possible to do from home, which that has some intellectual and the educated, well-planned out people. Human resources, not the ones that J-Lock 100 was showing. They're the little toddler and diapers whacking the cops. Did you see that shit? I saw that. But that's how strong. No father in the home. That's what that is. I wouldn't even say that.

2:04:41 That's obvious. But the other part about it is that baby was two years old, maybe. Yeah. Maybe three. That's post-cause that's the point that Whitlock was making. That baby grew up indoctrinated in the George Floyd, Black Lives Matter kind of mentality. That's all he knows. Yeah. He doesn't know prior to that. So this is why I harp on propaganda and stuff because just go back not to belabor the point, but this is why I think one parent should be in the household because that opens up the opportunity where a parent can educate their children and not send them to school to be indoctrinated.

2:05:23 See, this thought process, the population, all that, global warming all comes, starts at K or pre-K. Yes. The reason why I know this, my first year in kindergarten was the, I think, 86, 85, was the first year of Earth Day. And I remember the Sesame Street special. I mean, I'm just telling you how deep this thing goes of the planet's going to end. You know, they were indoctrinating us early. And that was 85. I remember from 1969 to 1970. So I was five years old. What is that? Second grade, maybe? No. Yeah. Five years old. Kate. Kay.

2:06:05 Okay. And I remember. Yes, kindergarten. What was her name? I can't remember her name. I liked her a lot. My kindergarten teacher. And I remember the coolest thing, and I was drawing a picture of it. What had just been released, and it was so exciting, was the 747 from Boeing. What a difference in, so what is that? Not even 10 years? No, no. No, more than that. 15, 16 years to Earth Day, where the 747, no one was talking about it polluting the sky. It was like, holy crap, this is space age shit. Look how many people can fly in this thing.

2:06:49 So, yeah, that ramp up went pretty fast. And just think about it now because I heard the talking points being regurgitated by my children when they were still in school. Before you corrected them. Correct. I mean, that's the thing. You had to jump in. And this is why I said that work from home, where that's an option, I think that's a smart thing to say that parents should have that right to stay at home because I think it makes for a better humanity later down the list. But if work from home means you're going to be wearing your virtual goggles and you're going to be doing that all day. I mean, I just, yes, I agree with you. I work from home. I've been working from home for a long time.

2:07:33 I enjoyed very much like being my own boss or like being an entrepreneur. But clearly, your working from home is different than the working from home they're talking about. Right. I mean, I work from home like that too. But the problem, I mean, not the problem, but the good part about it, I mean, kids are, all you got to do is prevent and like set them up and make sure they don't burn the house down. Pretty much. I mean, you could pop in and out. out, but you talk about sending kids to these schools? No. I mean, and this is nothing new just to get back on track with the show because this is where the kids were indoctrinated on the population bomb. Yep. Ehrlich, who had previously focused his scientific research on butterflies, laid out his hypothesis in a slim volume called The Population Bone.

2:08:16 It was a call to action for many, including a student Ehrlich advised, Stuart Brend. There's too many people. We'd like to see people have fewer children and better ones. The whole idea that people make more people who make more people until there's too many people, and by then it's too late. That's a very persuasive argument. Adrian Germain, a women's health advocate, found herself drawn to Ehrlich as well due to his support of birth control. The message was that we were already in a crisis. And if we didn't have urgent and immediate action, the world would simply destroy itself. Look at what the year 2000 will be. Our cities are going to be choked with people. They're going to be choked with traffic. They're going to be choked with crime. They're going to be choked with pollution.

2:09:01 And they will be impossible places in which to live. Paul's picture of doom and gloom looked real. World population is increasing by 23 people every 10 seconds. It's clear that world population growth remains completely out of control. Yeah, Brand was an important guy in this setup. But you heard his student. You heard it, right? It's the student. Yes. But you know what? What's important about Brand? He was the guy that indoctrinated Silicon Valley from the get-go. He was an MIT guy, and he

2:09:46 created the well, the whole Earth. Well, it's first the Whole Earth Catalog, which was, and it came all of Menlo Park, where all these corporations are now. And, you know, Steve Jobs, all these people all grew up around the well, the whole electronic, what was it called? Earth Link. Hold on a second. It was called, yeah, the Whole Earth Lectronic Link. And I was on it. Everybody in Silicon Valley in the early days was on the well, and a lot of that stuff. What was it? I mean, basically a message board. Like you get on there. I'm sorry, I should have explained.

2:10:27 The well is well.com is so automatic. I'm a total douchebag inside. The whole here, the well, the whole earth. Thank you. The whole earth electronic link, normally shortened to the well, was launched in 1985. One of the oldest continuously operating virtual communities. By 1993, it had 7,000 members, a staff of 12, gross annual income of $2 million. A 1997 feature in Wired magazine called Wired Magazine also came from the same group of people, called it the world's most influential online community in 2012. When it was last publicly offered for sale, it had 2,693 members, best known for its internet forums. Also, they had email and other things. But it was, and Craigslist came out of this.

2:11:12 The Electronic Frontier Foundation, all of these people came from, were connected somehow to brand. It's really the true history of Silicon Valley really has never been. Dvorak could do it, but he's like lizards in. It's total lizard world. Complete. You could do a whole show just on. No, because you had me worrying. You like the well. I thought like y'all all had hoods on. Like, you say like the brown monk hoods around a whale. Like, you know, the whale is in the speechless. Well, virtually speaking, I think that's what it was. Yes, absolutely. Very close to that. No, but and so all of the very, very liberal.

2:11:55 Here, let me just give you some of the people who some of the people involved. Corey Doctro. I don't know if that means anything to you. I mean, it'll mean nothing. It won't mean anything. I mean, I'm older. These are the people you're not supposed to know. That's the whole point. It's like to the average. Yes. You know, I've never heard of it. I mean, like I said, this lizard LinkedIn. So, I mean, like, you know, Steve. You got to get an invite. Steve Jobs ended his very famous 2005 Stanford University commencement address by acknowledging both Stuart Brand and the Whole Earth Catalog, quoting from the latter issue's final, the latter's final issue, which I have a copy of. Stay hungry, stay foolish. So this is. Stay hungry, huh? Yeah. That's definitely Lizard talk.

2:12:39 Anyway, so there you go. So that's good to know. Well, speaking of Silicon Valley, we've got to talk about Bill Gates. And we got a couple of throwback clips clips. because in the first clip, he's going to be asked a question that's kind of a valid question as far as if you're making for better people, won't that increase the population? So he's going to answer that question. She's going to ask that question, and then he's going to answer in the following two clips. So let's get first getting to 24. The population of Africa is set to almost double by 2050, raising fears that progress in fighting poverty and disease will be reversed.

2:13:19 So what can be done to ensure that poverty doesn't increase? And how can a disproportionately large youth population help drive progress? With me to discuss all of this and more is Bill Gates. Bill, are we at a turning point where regression is a real risk? Well, first, the progress over the last several decades has been pretty amazing, both reducing child to death, getting kids in school, getting agricultural productivity up, and reducing extreme poverty. But it's really Africa that still has doubling in population to 20%. Hold on, stop for a minute. I hate to stop clips like this, but you have to rewind a little bit and listen to the word he uses, effectivity.

2:14:03 Yes, which doesn't mean it's saving anyone. It's just effective for whatever he wants it to do. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's not how I interpret it. He's talking about the person's effectivity. Oh, let me roll this back. This is another, this is another way of saying fit or unfit or fitness. Let me hear it again. Where regression is a real risk? Well, first, the progress over the last several decades has been pretty amazing, both reducing child to death, getting kids in school, getting agricultural productivity up, reducing extreme poverty. But it's really Africa that still has a doubling in population to 2050 and probably

2:14:47 another doubling to 2100, where you really have to do a good job if you're trying to get these extreme poverty rates down. So if we don't do better in investing in human capital in Africa, yes, the number of people in extreme poverty is actually going to go up. Should the solution or should more solutions be focused on slowing that growth? So for example, increasing reproductive rights for women or spreading the access to contraceptives? Because it seems that, is it correct that no amount of investment can really keep pace with that population growth? Yeah, it's so interesting, Mo. Tina and I were just talking about this last night about Africa.

2:15:31 And she said, why has this been done in Africa? I said, well, think about it. Hello. I mean, because it goes back to true white supremacy. The white supremacy of England, of France, of Germany, of the United States, of course, and of China. Yes, Chinese can be white supremacists. Big time. And the whole point is: look, here's the resources. This is all the stuff we need. We need to make iPhones. So we need cobalt. We need to get that cheaply. It's a dirty ass job. So we make sure we got some child labor to do that.

2:16:11 The French, they actually control and print the money of four African nations still to this day. So it's total control when you control the money like that. And the last thing we want, since we control them for their resources, the last thing we want is if there's a whole bunch of them, because then, you know, there may be too many and we can't control them. So we got to keep them, keep the growth of that population in check. And this has been going on for maybe 100 years. And you asked me a question earlier about the mentality about Malcolm X between the liberal and the conservative. This is Bill Gates, and he's a liberal, I would assume. And he says, think about it.

2:16:55 Less black people is better, right? Right? Right? I mean, he's saying that because I think, I don't know if he said it in the last clip. Cultural one coming up. Cultural progress and cultural product. Effectivity. Yes. So I say effective productivity, excuse me. But what I'm saying is, I think he says in the next two clips, but I'm just going to go ahead and just alert you to what he's going to say so you can listen to it, listen to it in a certain way. He's going to say from now to 2050, the population is going to double in Africa, right? And then from 2050 to 2100, it's going to double again.

2:17:38 So he's saying, isn't one fourth of black people better than all four fourths? That's exactly what he's saying. But that's how they sell it to you. And like, what? Like, hold on, how does this help me again? And then when you don't agree with them, then that other side comes out. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, so that's that, that's that's the difference between the German Nazi and the American Nazi right there. Is that, hey, it's going to be good. Trust me. Just trust me. Horrible. So let's go ahead and get into him answering her question. But this is a separate clip.

2:18:20 This is not in that same line of questioning. And that's the answer to her question, but from another set of clips. In this year's annual letter, Melinda and I take the toughest questions we get asked and give our answers. One that's come up for a long time is: as we make the world healthier, is the population going to get so big that feeding everybody and maintaining the environment is going to be impossible. Here we can see a chart that looks at the total world population over the last several hundred years.

2:18:59 And at first glance, this is a bit scary. We go from less than a billion in 1800, and then three, four, five, six, and 7.4 billion where we are today is happening even faster. So Melinda and I wondered whether providing new medicines and keeping children alive, would that create more of a population problem? So scary. Scary. Yeah, like you see that? Scary. More humans is scary. And then him and Melinda sitting around, like, you know what? This is scary. So what are you saying? Like, did you have a like?

2:19:41 Did you snowball the idea of making them unhealthy? You know, to get the numbers. This is straight up lizard talk. Well, I mean, the famous example, I don't know if you have it, but the famous example Bill Gace used is: if we get vaccines to work well in Africa, we'll have less people. Yes. And his, and of course, his explanation is: well, people won't have to have six or seven or eight children because they know a couple will die. But I find that a very sketchy, sketchy explanation of what he's up to. Since you're from the future, he goes into the exact same thing you laid out in 26.

2:20:21 No, no, no, excuse me. Yeah, 26, yeah. So Melinda and I wondered whether providing new medicines and keeping children alive, would that create more of a population problem? I mean, it's so, it's just the way he says that, and I'll restart it. Like they're sitting up there on their throne. So the queen and I, we were wondering, how can we help these poor serfs, these poor plebs? What can we do for the human resources who are just dying there in the dirt there, not productive, certainly not culturally productive? Melinda, what do you think? What a dick. So Melinda and I wondered whether providing new medicines and keeping children alive, would that create more of a population problem?

2:21:07 What we found out is that as health improves, families choose to have less children. And this effect is very, very dramatic. We find that in every country of the world, this is repeated. The population growth goes down as we improve health. So we've taken that chart that shows the global population growth, and we've actually extended it out all the way to 2100. And we can see that instead of continuing, it actually flattens out. Another way to see that is through this rate of population growth.

2:21:45 And you can see that in the 60s, that reached a pretty high number, over 2% per year, and it's now come way, way down. Now, 11 billion people still a lot, but the good news is that the faster we improve health, the faster family size goes down. And so we can feel great about saving those lives. It's unbelievable. So we're saving lives by not having these children born at all. That's what he's saying. What's that thing you say about jobs saved or created? Exactly. That's totally saved or created. Sick.

2:22:28 But no, that's lizard logic. Yeah. Because that is fight or flight. And what is at the very center of the average woman that makes a decision with Roe versus Wade? Fear the future. Am I going to be able to, you know, say, provide? Am I going to be? Is this by the right person? You know, all that fear. And all they're doing is he's transferring that fear. You don't want to be part of that problem, do you? You know, there's still a billion people, but okay, we're working on it. Right. Crazy. And the thing, the other thing he said was: so if it making them healthier was bad for the environment and you didn't have the effect of having family get smaller by education, would you withhold aid?

2:23:15 Right. Yeah. You see what I'm saying? Like, if you could really help them, but it would affect your number the wrong way. No. Would you? No, not if you're Bill Gates. Let him die. That's crazy. They sit around and play God like that. What if what if we did this, Melinda? Oh, that didn't work. Why don't we try this? Oh, the children of Melina, they all die. Oh, I'm sorry. Near the Philippines, famous. Still the lawsuit going on about all those children who were hurt from Gates vaccines. But what even more harmful, I think, than the vaccine is the education.

2:23:52 Because why is it when people get more educated, they want to have less children? Now, you brought up a good point that some people in some countries have children for the sake of, okay, I'm going to have six because I know three are going to die of malaria. So, you know, I mean, like, you run the numbers up. But in the first world, it doesn't play out like that. Why is it, you know, that families get smaller with people that have the more, you know, have more money and resources to take care of more children. Why is that? That's to me, that's indoctrination. Of course. It's something they're learning in schools.

2:24:36 I know. Look at what's coming out of them. Yes, they're learning something in school. That's for sure. Right. So let's go ahead and get into 27. Paul's picture of doom and gloom looked real. That world population is increasing by 23 people every 10 seconds. It's clear that world population growth remains completely out of control. I bought it totally. Many of my friends bought it totally. I organized an event for 60 people to starve in public. Maybe anybody who's thinking of having a third child ought to go hungry a week. The mode became: don't have kids.

2:25:15 There's enough of them in the world. And if your friends have kids, it's fine if they feel uncomfortable about that. We had formed an organization called Zero Population Growth. And then Johnny took me on the tonight show. Would you welcome Dr. Paul Ehrlich? You have to get the death rate and birth rate in balance. And there's only two ways to do it. One is to bring the birth rate down. The other is to push the death rate up. I did the show maybe 20 times and we went from six chapters and 600 members to 600 chapters and 60,000 members. We are starting in now. This is the first step. The Bagleys belong to a growing number of young marriages who favor ZPG, zero population growth.

2:25:58 Yeah, Paul Ehrlich, didn't he? Wasn't he one of Obama's science advisors? I'm not sure. I thought he was. I could be wrong about that. I mean, I'm not sure his role was saying with Obama, but if you notice, he said two rates: the birth rate and the death rate. Death rate. Now, we're not going to talk about the death rate too much, but he said we got to get both those numbers. You know, saying get the birth rate down and the death rate. Get the death rate up. Well, you know what? The best way to do that is make sure you inject some mRNA into babies of six months of age.

2:26:34 Well, first of all, I mean, you jumped a step there. You had released something from a Chinese lab first that chills off all the oldies and the fatties. That's how you get the death rate up. Now, on the other side, you might hit the death rate and the birth rate. And I know we're talking about this tongue-in-cheek, but this is how they discuss it. Like, yeah, we got to release it. But you know what? 75 years they had a good run, or they're 500 pounds. They put it on themselves. You know, this is a real result of their own choosings. And this is how you get, you know, quote-unquote couforona.

2:27:15 We're fine. You know, we're healthy. We're alive. Yeah, we're alive. We eat well. We eat good food. And we eat food, actual food. Oh, that's, yeah, that's the privilege in itself. But as you heard, they were all in then. It's the same way. We have to look at it through this lens because we say. saw how the population bomb propaganda affected them. And see, now with climate change, it's the same thing being repeated over again. And this is why you have people going out in the streets and screaming and whatever else is because they actually believe the world is going to come to an end. And on the other side, you have believers

2:27:56 in whatever religion they believe thinks that our actions are going to bring the world to an end, the way the nation's being ran. So you have two sides that believe the same thing, but for different reasons. Completely. That's how savvy white supremacy is. And when I mean, say white supremacy, I'm talking about the one world government, the globalization. All this is about this is why you hear all the global leaders come out and condemn America. Like, what are you doing? Well, also, we had this all. If you look at the G20, even the G7, a lot of the global leaders have no children.

2:28:36 Oh, yeah. You can't, no, you got to talk it. Like you walk it. I mean, when you get to that level, I mean, in all in America, you can use. Except, except. Oh, this is so interesting. You know, Queen Ursula, Ursa von der Leya. She's the president of the European Union Commission, I think. She's the, you know, she's the one with the helmet hair, and you've seen her. Oh, yeah. Yes. And she's German. This fits so into what you're saying. So she breaks the Boris Johnson had all, you know, but he has kids with all kinds of people. I don't know what's going on with Boris Johnson. He's out. So get Boris Johnson out. He's got kids. Macron, no kids. Merkel, no kids. Mark Rutte, Dutch prime minister, no kids.

2:29:13 There's probably six or seven of them, these examples. The new queen of Europe, not really the queen, but she's the president of the European Union, totally from a political family, German background. Eight kids, all beautiful, blonde hair, blue eyes. This is a huge thing in Germany. We know this because this is historical for them. What you talk about? Yes, yes, this is exactly what I'm saying. So 10 of those kids is great. Plan, she's the Mootie. She's been a great mother. Every piece you read about her, she's so good with her kid. It's totally the von Trapp family. Man, like, I mean, like, but that's. So they're turning a corner. They're going away from, okay, no kids.

2:29:56 Now, these, you want, you want this? These are the kids you want. They're perfect. It's always been like that. This has always been out-facing propaganda. By the way, the von Trapps were not Nazis. The Von Trapps were the ones hunted, but it was a perfect family, Austrian family. Right. The desirable family. So let's get back again once again to the population bar on part 28. Ehrlich's views on how to bring that birth rate down were concrete. Compulsion if voluntary methods fail, creating a blacklist of people, companies, and organizations impeding population control in the United States.

2:30:37 Responsibility prizes for childless marriages. A tax on children. And a luxury tax on diapers and cribs. Her concerns about population became misanthropic. And it was taken with so much seriousness that Paul Ehrlich could recommend things like putting stuff in public water that would make people not as fertile. Panic is not too strong a word to use for some of the advocates that I referred to as true believers. It appears that large families are on the way out and ZPG may be possible. The idea also took hold in the developing world, where governments like India's had already begun to embrace population control.

2:31:15 The core message of the book, population growth outstripping food supply, resonated quite a bit with India's elites, with the middle classes. They much preferred to believe that the poor were poor because of too many children rather than being poor because of an unfair and unequal economic system. Sorry to harp on this, but it was John Holdren who was in the Obama administration as science as the science advisor, and he had written the book with Ehrlich, Population and Panaceas: A Technological Perspective.

2:31:57 And that was written in 1969. So these people were in the White House up until Trump. Oh, yeah, they're all in. They're all in with their religion. And you heard her say, true believers. Yeah. True believe. Dude. I thought science changes. I mean, like that, but that's science. Only when the scientists say the science has changed does the science change. It's very right. That's what makes it anti-science. Because we have new data. data comes, then your perspective is supposed to change according to the new data. But this is a belief that's so

2:32:39 ingrained to their worldview. It's bananas. Insane. But you heard them put stuff in the water. Yeah. Alex Jones, we're looking at you. Gay frogs. I mean. Yeah, lithium, fluoride, all kinds of stuff. Yeah, because we had the doctor saying that for Berkeley, they got blackballed. Yeah. First talking about the stuff that they were putting in. Astrazine, I think it was called. Atrazine. Yeah, Atrazine. Atrazine is also in fertilizers and I think weed killers and it's everywhere. Yeah, you get that in the water. Yeah, it turns the frogs gay. Right. And it shortens boys' taints.

2:33:19 I discussed it with Joe Rogan. And in general, fertility rates amongst men in the United States have dropped significantly. It's a disaster. Which is exactly what you get with Elon Musk. And golly, Mo, I think you're right. It's not that Elon, he's with the depopulation guys. I'm telling you, this guy's evil. So he's on the side of, oh, yeah, we need more children, but it has to be the right kind of children. That's what he left out of his statement. Yeah, and for the people that are not, then I'll save my chip. That way you can have artificial intelligence that bumps yours up to the fit and plan children.

2:34:04 Yeah, you get the implant. Again, an Elon Musk company. Neuralink. Now, I think people misunderstand who Elon Musk really is and what he's all about because he knows how to tickle your ears with certain things. He's an agent of change. He's not a good guy. I will remain saying that until proven otherwise. He's not a good guy. I'm on board with you. Especially what he does to those poor monkeys. But let's go ahead and get number 29. If you start with that problem definition, then it's almost inevitable that there will be circumstances where governments and other actors will act in a way that is coercive.

2:34:55 In the mid-1970s, the Indian government began a controversial program to encourage mass sterilization. We do want to create an atmosphere in which people realize the importance of this program. It led to abuses. Access to food aid and housing were sometimes used as coercion. Others weren't even given a choice. More than 8 million sterilizations were performed, many forcibly. The people, in the words of one family planning expert, were treated like cattle. The Green Revolution's farming technology helped lessen rates of hunger in the developing world over the decades, even as the world's population skyrocketed.

2:35:33 There's a tendency to apply to human beings the same sort of models that may apply for the insect world. The difference, of course, is that human beings are conscious beings and we do all kinds of things to change our destiny. That story is playing out today in parts of India. In growing cities like Chennai in the South, large families once needed for farming are no longer always seen as the key to success. Previously, my father used to have four children and my grandfather used to have seven children. But the things have changed. Even myself, I have only two children. Even my sister is having only one kid because now education becomes the first priority.

2:36:19 Wow. This is good. I mean, that's the trifecta right there. The education. That's the part nobody ever talks about and how it affects people's perspective on reproduction. And even the people that will be born, the control mechanisms being put in place right now over our food supply is of enormous consequence. You know, I have a lot of contact with Texas Slim. He's my age, a little bit younger. He's trying to educate people about the importance of animal protein.

2:36:59 He's in Texas, so of course, focus on beef. And what is happening with a very small amount of food processors who are basically taking the soil and the animal out of your diet. The feed that they give to cows and animals, they're going to give to you. So they're going to buy that. Cats cutting out a cut. Yes. Yes. Yes. They're cutting grains. Yes. Well, and this came up because there was a bird seed package that someone's packaging that someone sent a picture of to me. And it was, you know, farmed for the future. It's mealworms, mealworms for birds, birdseed.

2:37:38 And all these, you know, genetically selected for highest quality mealworms. And then in not small letters, it says not yet approved for human consumption. And so basically, they will keep us functional enough to live on minimum protein, which will be measured. Your Apple Watch will feed back your levels. And, you know, it'll be bugs. It'll be soy, and it'll have great texture and taste because that's what they're doing. They're focusing on texture and taste. And as long as you get that right, people will eat it, certainly Americans. And so they're going to control everything through your food supply, through your money.

2:38:21 Your housing. Yeah, your car. The cars are going to be a service. You're not going to own a car in the next five years. Your kids, Mo, I don't know if they'll own a car. To be honest with you, the only reason my daughter took interest in driving is because we moved away from Uber heavy area. Before then, it was just, I'll hop in the back of an Uber and go to the mall or go to the Uber's going away too. Uber's going away. All these non-profitable companies, the so-called unicorns, the cheap money ride is over. That's just over, so you'll see it. Anything that is not made, Twitter is in the same jeopardy.

2:39:06 It's Netflix, Spotify, all these companies that have never turned a profit except maybe one year or one quarter with some bookkeeping accounting tricks that make it look better. It's over. The convenience world is going to go away. You'll see. And with Uber, the only role Uber had was, and this is a good metaphor, was to get the human out of the car. Get the car. Well, disassociate the ownership, I think. Get people thinking about it.

2:39:43 Well, you had to get rid of cabbies. So what they did was they used Uber and Uber drivers to get rid of cabbies, and then they'll just remove the driver from the Uber car now. That's the only way they will make that service profitable. And that's, and there it is. Humanity. And that's how we had to do it. The same with fast food. Hey, you're asking for $15 an hour. We had to go get this burger flipping machine or with pizzas or whatever else. And like, you see the little pizza, like RD Dutu, you know what I'm saying, rolling down the street with pizzas in them in neighborhoods. Like, oh, just swipe your car and grab a pizza out of it. So none of this ends well, by the way.

2:40:24 Well, it does. We're not doom and gloom, but on the other side of it. The pizzas rolling down the street. Look, technology, it all has bugs. It all falls apart. We're seeing that everywhere, left and right now. Things are starting to fall apart. I'm very negative on what they're doing here. I don't think that's. Oh, no, I am too. But what I'm saying is we can't throw the baby out with the bathwater on. So to speak. Yeah. Well, if there is a baby anymore, but let's go ahead and thank some more people. I like brand new money. I just, I don't want any money around me. It's not. I'd almost rather have a new one than an old 20. That's kind of dumb, isn't it?

2:45:25 Remember that movie where he's like this arbitrary line of IQ? And it was basically, your mama should have care about your education, boy. You know what I'm saying? Like, she had to is there a Mr. Gump around? That kind of thing. But that basically decided to path his life. And to say, are you mentally fit or not? And that's just a great example of how it used to be to, if you were considered feeble-minded, sterilization or I mean, all those are realities. But intellect has a lot to do with it, with fitness. So have you ever heard of William Shockley before?

2:46:07 Name sounds from this actually sounds like someone that Alex Jones might have had on. No, he was the co-creator, I think, of The Resistor. No, it doesn't ring a bell. It rings a bell somewhere, but I'm not sure. He might have been at the wheel. Who knows? But let's see, because he was like, he's out in the tech world. But in 1974, he came out with this new theory of his speaking on what's called dysgenics. And that's what we opened up the show, ISO, with. Oh, here we go. Okay. Dysgenics. Yes, dysgenics. Yeah, I know. We had it a long way home, but we're getting there.

2:46:48 So this is basically, he goes into like basically the criteria of fitness or his idea of it. But before he does that, the host of the show gives this great monologue, which I think shows like the value in our show. So I would like to play that first, and then we can talk about it, and then we'll get into the actual clips. Back in the 70s, a man named Dr. William Shockley, a noted scientist, embarked. embarked upon the mission of proving to the world that black people are genetically inferior, without, I might add, the benefit of any formal background in genetics. He became front page news and won headlines with his controversial views.

2:47:31 On campus after campus, unrest followed his every visit. My position then and now is that if a supremist cannot be rationally debated, perhaps he has a point. After the debate, you're now going to see, Dr. Shockley went back into oblivion. I don't claim that the 1973 interview did it alone, but I am of the opinion that it helped. I'm Tony Brown. In a moment, racial superiority with Dr. William Shockley. I know who Shockley is now. Okay. He's one of the OG guys of the transistor that you're right that kicked off Silicon Valley.

2:48:13 He had a design. I think this is the guy people said he might have gotten from the aliens. There was some weird story about that. Tall whites? Ah, man. And you're right. He's totally in Silicon Valley around the same time as Brandt and the Well and all that. Yeah, and this guy was a total eugenicist, if I recall. It's funny because I didn't know that connection about the aliens. And that's why I brought up the tall whites because the Aryans believe in like another, I mean, some of them believe in like another race of being, almost superhuman. That's where the superiority thing comes from. Now,

2:48:58 I think it was, and maybe Devorah, I'll have to ask him about this. I think it was that after Area 51, you know, the crash of the so-called alien spacecraft, not long after that, he came out with the Shockley semiconductor. Makes sense. I mean, I'm in a, I'm a big, just as a quick aside on aliens. I don't think aliens are for different planets. I think they're from different dimensions and kind of like dimension jumpers. And yeah, so that's not too far-fetched me to believe that they bring information here that can be used in quote-unquote technology. Yeah. And there's a lot that went on after the

2:49:42 Roswell thing. Yeah, this guy needs some more study. Okay, well, you've got here. You've got to study on him. So let's open the books, teach. All right, 32. Now let's find out what the controversy is about. Dr. Shockley, please give us the benefit basically of what your theory is. My principal point, Mr. Brown, is not so much a theory of black-white differences, but is summed up in one word, which is the theme of my appearance on your program and my efforts. And the word is dysgenics. And dysgenics means effectively downbreeding, retrogressive evolution. And I fear that this is worse for the black community. And I particularly welcome an opportunity to appear on Black Journal just for these reasons.

2:50:23 And let me say also that when I first met Dr. Welsing, it was not black students who were disrupting, but white students. And Dr. Welsing made a very sincere and I thought extremely effective effort, a well-planned effort. It was not effective with these white students at Staten Island Community College, so I would have a chance to speak. In fact, I think they prevented her from saying what she wanted to say when she was trying to gain me a platform. Okay. So basically, his idea is one with dysgenics. And he's saying that black people participate in dysgenics at a higher rate than any other people. And that's basically the breeding of the unfit and going backwards.

2:51:07 You know what I'm saying? Devolving. Mentally? Physically or both? Mentally. Okay, because physically... Physically, there was a whole different path because we needed great athletes. So clearly, clearly, we did something different. He even makes that case. And this is where my feathers was ruffled about Rogan's comments. It wasn't about him using the N-word. It was buying into the science that blacks come from monkeys or subhuman. That's a very scientific take. Because, I mean, if people want to get into Galton and Darwin, you know what I'm saying?

2:51:48 Like, they believe that, you know, that in white supremacy. Like, when you hear that where you hear about, when people say white supremacy, they think about a guy in Kentucky on the back of a pickup truck with a Confederate flag. You got to think kings and queens in the 16th, 17th century. Well, even, like I said, doctors in the 30s. 30s, 40s, and 20s, you know, that, you know, breeding of the fit, excuse me, not the unfit. And it's very cold. It's a cold, it's actually a cold calculated science behind it, you know, of

2:52:27 phenotypes and all these things. Keeping bloodlines pure. There's all kinds of versions of this. That's true. And the problem with it is you can't separate nature from nurture. You see what I'm saying? Because if you grow, if you're born as a baby, like I said, it was like a computer. If you buy a computer and then you take one and you get all the antivirus on it and you're safe with where you, you're saying, what you download and you buy only legit software and that kind of thing. But you take a same exact computer and then you go on like all the shady websites and clicking links and downloading all kinds of corrupt files and everything else.

2:53:09 How do you separate the nature from the nurturing and you can't from human to human? That's a good comparison. I like that. It's a good analogy. Right. So what is it? Is the computer faulty from the beginning? And that's what white supremacists believe that, you know, this computer just has lower specs. You know, it's not going to be, you know, saying it's not in comparison to this other computer over here. It's interesting that the guy who literally developed the transistor effect would view human existence and human species with very much the same way. Right. And same thing with Bill Gates. See,

2:53:47 it's something there with when they get to a certain level of enlightenment, you know, it's, oh, we can look at people the same way we do. I think when the other clip, the other guy from the population bomb, he studied butterflies. Were they Marnark butterflies? We don't know, but he studied butterflies. Probably. And they say, and try to translate that to humans. And I don't think you can do that. The only way you can do that with twins, but that's another story for another day because you had to have identical genetics to say, you know, if this is the same case, because in science, you can only have one variable. You understand what I'm saying?

2:54:27 So you can't compare one human to another human because there's too many variables. But let's go ahead and let him get further into his theory. Dr. Shaka, you are accused of having a theory that is a racist, a white racist theory. How do you respond to that? Well, I respond to that by saying that I've considered whether or not I am a racist. Racist is an epithet that used to damage my self-esteem, but it doesn't anymore. I feel it's untrue. If you look in the dictionary as to what racist means, it means emotional feelings, irrational feelings associated with fear and hate. If I really had those, I don't think I would be here this evening. I feel that what I'm engaged in is a demand for diagnosis.

2:55:08 And I'd like to say some more about this chart, which we'll come to probably later, which shows the disproportionate rates of reproduction for the least effective elements of the black community. I'd like to say more about that than we should in just this brief introduction. But I think there is another word that better describes what I'm involved in, and that word is raceology, which means a scientific analysis of racial differences. And I basically, I have a faith that reason is a good thing, and I feel as you do about the First Amendment, but maybe with a slightly different emphasis. I think the really important thing about the First Amendment is it is a way of guaranteeing a high likelihood the truth will emerge as a result of conflicting ideas being expressed.

2:55:54 And I have a thesis and a basic belief that truth is a good thing and will be of benefit to man. Okay. He has my attention. So you're hearing a stone cold. His thought is based in, he believes logic. Science. Science. And he opens up. And I got to be very careful how I say this because I don't want to lay any credence to the idea that one group is genetically superior to another group. Now, do we have our traits that we're better at? And some people, I mean, look at, was it the Kenyon running team? I mean, they make that obvious that it's something that Kenyon Waterblood, that you can't outrun them in long distance.

2:56:37 What is that? I mean, but in other things that they say intelligence, because the way intelligence is measured is the flaw. Right? It's kind of like with the COVID test. It's like, it's the testing mechanism that's the flaw. It's a flaw, yes, of course. But besides all that, the whole idea of saying, well, even if it was true, this brain. the black brain just doesn't have the capacity to develop the intelligence of the white brain. Even if that were true, who made you God to go and say, Well, we shouldn't have any of these people? That's the sick thing.

2:57:22 But he's more into he believes there's a component, and he's going to get to a chart eventually. All right, he believes they're a component of black people that have, you know, are capable of thinking and you know, saying processing at a high level. Yeah. His issue is that the wrong people, too many of the wrong people are having babies, and too many of the right people are not having babies. That's Margaret Sanger's line right there. Well, let's just, I mean, this is what we can you get the door for a second. Oh, yeah. Because this is going to get heavy. Okay, we're all alone now.

2:58:02 Now we got to go back to the Kevin Samuels episode. And we talked about the black women with PhDs deferring birthing and child rearing and that kind of thing in lieu of having a career. Correct. So, see what I'm saying? So those women are not having children or having children at a high rate. While people that may not be quote unquote, you know what I'm saying, what they consider fit are having a bunch of babies. And that's his logic. But I'm open to the conversation, not about having too many, because that's not my conversation.

2:58:45 My conversation is: is it deliberate that the ideal people are not having enough kids? And is that a planned attack? Well, it certainly seems now that we're behind closed doors, it certainly seems that the entire policy of the government is to pay the so-called unfit birthers to have more because there's just child support. There's all kinds of things that just get poured onto you. But I think that probably is a direct B line to Planned Parenthood.

2:59:26 Right. Well, they create the conditions of over-sexualizing. That is a key component of it. And the byproduct of that, you know what I'm saying, programming and mind control is unwanted births. Now they think they have it covered with planned parenthood. It's like, oh, we can basically mind control them. And if they make a mistake, then we got to clean it up for them. Now, the problem is the ones that won't go along with having, you know what I'm saying, their, you know, the procedure. It's no longer effective, I think, or it's not as effective as they'd like it to be, perhaps.

3:00:07 Right. So that's, that's why they fight in tooth and nail, you know what I'm saying, to make it available at every option and any interval of time. So I guess we can open the door back to the next second. Hi, everybody. It's okay. We're fine. Just a quick little back and forth. So there, I mean, there is, he brings up some interesting conversation points. Like I said, I didn't know credence to his idea of supremacy in any way, but it does raise the question now in modern day times because we got to look at Clarence Thomas and Katanji Brown Jackson.

3:00:44 They have white mates. Yes. Is there a brain, is there a black brain drain going on in our race where either they won't have children or they have biracial children outside with people outside the race? You know, that's a real conversation that needs to be had. And I don't think it's a purposeful, but when you isolate somebody at an Ivy League school, I mean, it's only mathematically makes sense that they get with somebody of another race. You know, just by chance.

3:01:25 One of our friends, the liberal school teacher, the liberal high school teacher, Hawaii, I really do like her. I really like her because she's so open. She sticks to her views and stuff, but she also is a little tired of some things, but she's very open to discussing things. And she said something I thought was pretty profound as we were talking about race. And she said, we tackle, and we talked about Roe v. Way. We talk about all the big topics. And she said, you know, my grandfather also used to say something that I agree with. She says, the concept that America is. is a great melting pot, she says, that's really not true. That's not really who we are. We're a soup.

3:02:05 We're a soup. And you got your celery over here and your carrots over there. And you got some beef over here and you got some, whatever it is. And that really, that doesn't mean that you can't have interracial marriages and children. But that is kind of where we're at in general. I mean, if you look at the pure numbers, and it's really beautiful that way. And there's something, there's something about this. It's like, I know if I ever see you face to face, first of all, I'll be like, I knew it. I knew you. I knew you'd look like Denzel. I knew it. So that would be the first. And then I'd be like, you know, you have a different culture as an American.

3:02:49 And I'd be super, I can't wait to have food with you and your family. And I'd love to have you over to mine. You know, that's the beauty of it. And that's the point of diversity compared to multicultural. Yes, yes, yes. What they want to do is take the soup, put it in a blender and make it. Put it on high and make it brown goo that's thin. With no lumps. Distinguishing factors between any of the ingredients. Correct. It's like that beef. Is that potato? And like I said, if you choose to be, you're saying, if you choose, you love who you love.

3:03:27 I've always made that clear. But as Joe Biden has pointed out on several occasions, and we covered it in a previous show, you know, maybe we need to look at commercials and propaganda to push an agenda for interracial relationships. You're seeing it too, obviously. Right. And I've seen it way off because my wife, I roll every time we would see it on television because I would point it out. Wait, it's a matter of record. So you see a commercial because every other commercial is either only black people or there's five black and brown people. I mean, it's completely out of whack with the actual distribution. And so what I find interesting is that Adam and Tina sit at home and roll our eyes and Mo and Mrs.

3:04:13 Facts sit at home and roll her eyes. No, actually, my wife rolls my eyes at me for pointing out the fact that what I'm seeing. Let me clarify on that because she knows I'm going to, I got this filler. She's like, ah, here he goes again. But she got to the point of, especially mattress commercials. You know what I'm saying? It was like, can I not see two black people laying in a bed testing the mattress out? I mean, like, that was the most stark one. It was like, no, but that's the conditioning of indoctrination. And I say it's, it's more of a global thing than, you know, individual thing. It's a global thing. It's done through the financial markets. It's ESG, environmental social governance.

3:04:58 These companies have to show their social side. And so they're just doing what they're told to do. Otherwise, they're uninvestable. Stock price goes down, et cetera, et cetera. And let me be clear before we get. I think start at four. I think we're going into file, but let me make something clear. The issue I have with it is if it's a great thing, then you don't need to play on people's insecurities. You know, they play a lot on people's insecurities to sell them whatever agenda they're trying to sell them. And that's why I don't appreciate. We do not appreciate them. We just don't. I don't appreciate it at all. But I think we start at four or five.

3:05:40 Let me double check real quick. I think we have four here. Yeah, number 35. Okay, here we go. But now let me say this chart that I held up a moment ago is very important in respect to this question of why I think there may be what proves a basic difference. But I'm going to say that if there were not a basic difference in intellectual capacity in the past, there probably will be a basic difference between black and white intellectual capacity in the future simply because of the reproduction patterns. And these are Census Bureau data, and this is the most threatening aspect. And what it indicates is that for the black women of the lowest intellectual social class,

3:06:27 which are rural farm women, generally the education is least, the average number of children is 5.4. For women with college degrees, it's 1.9. And so this is definitely unfavorable. It is reproducing far more at the bottom end and not enough to keep even at the top end. That's exactly case. Let me just finish this. For whites, the numbers are also in this direction, but nowhere nearly as severe. Oh, okay. Well, gosh, golly, thanks, man. At least we know whites can fall into that same dumb trap as well. Right, that's what I'm saying. It's not exclusive. No. No, they'll kill anybody.

3:07:07 Right. Yeah, we need to kill whoever's dumb, whoever we think is dumb. And I had an epiphany out here saying, like, well, I'm working in the yard, and we have flowers that we planted purposefully, and then we have weeds that blow into the flower garden unwanted. And it's like, who gives me the right that weed flowers just like my flowers? Some of them are very pretty, by the way. Is that if you give them time and the struggle is real because it's like, I didn't plant that and it grew on its own. You see what I'm saying? So it's we have to take a look at ourselves and say the audacity.

3:07:51 But following the same analogy, some weeds strangle the other plants. And that's the lizard logic right there. Exactly. We don't have time to figure out if it's going to strangle my plan children. It's not what I plan it. It's not planned. I don't know the genealogy of this plant, of this seed, get rid of it. Exactly. That's exactly what's going on. And they won't see it. And they use the same atrazine on the plants they use on people. Right. But you know what? Those seeds have been genetically engineered to survive the atrazine.

3:08:37 You know, it's been designed that way the same way they won't let their children have an iPad. That's true. Won't let their children watch mainstream media because they know it's like this is poisonous. You know, so we're going to make sure we can avoid it or we can mitigate the effects of it. It's very deep what goes on. And it's basically these people are playing God at the end of the day. And not in a little way. I mean, he's literally just, he's out there just saying, doesn't even, doesn't even realize he's doing it, I don't think. It's purposeful. And it's like, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but, you know, these weeds got to go. And that's something that Marcus Sanger was known for saying, calling people human weeds.

3:09:23 And that's the whole point of a weed. It chokes out, as you said, it chokes out the space and resources because the nutrients in your garden is finite, right? It's only a certain amount of, you know, saying, nutrients that are in the soil. So we had to preserve those nutrients for our desired planet. The analogy is complete. I got you. All right. So we stopped at four or 34. We can go to 35. Yes, I was wondering if Dr. Shockley would explain the basic difference between the course he is taking and explaining white supremacy and the course that Hitler took in during the Nazism raid.

3:10:02 Thank you. Well, there are enormous differences. In fact, the lesson to be learned from Nazi history is frequently very misunderstood. And it is a lesson which Mr. Brown has told us about earlier. It's the First Amendment. It's not that eugenics is intolerable. Actually, the eugenic programs, which are the opposite of dysgenics, eugenic programs, are not inconceivable. They're not inhumane. Denmark has been carrying out programs with strong eugenic implications for maybe 30 years. And it's important to note that since World War II, Denmark's per capita homicide rate dropped and is now approximately 120th.

3:10:41 That is, the number of deaths probably being killed in a year by a violent homicide is roughly on the order of 100 times less for young Danes than it is for young American blacks. But the lesson, let me say what the lesson of Nazi history we have in this country, and it will protect us. It's just the thing that makes this program possible. The First Amendment, which allows freedom of speech. If one believes that is not the right answer, then one has to be one of the most anti-German racists there can be. If one believes that the German people would have tolerated the concentration camps in the gas chambers, if news media, like the programs that Mr.

3:11:20 Brown is setting on, if those people were willing to bring discordant views out in the open, I don't believe the concentration camps and the gas chambers could have continued to exist in Germany. Whoa, he throws a curveball. This is why I respect William Shockley. He throws it in the field. Because he actually says it. Yeah. He says what he feels. And I wish Bill Gates would say that. And I wish all the other lizard people would say it. Just say it. So what do you want to get rid of you? What he's saying is if everybody everyone was honest back in Nazi Germany and we said, look, we just don't want you. And they would have been honest about it. And the news media would have reported them saying, we just don't want you.

3:12:02 Go away. Then he says there would have been no need to exterminate people. Right. Oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah. No, yes. Boy, it may not have happened, but a lot of other things, I think there's probably still a lot of good in the world. Hopefully, people will say, well, we don't like your idea. So, yeah, I'm with you. The First Amendment. So that's the only difference between us and Nazi Germany is the First Amendment. And we're not using it right, apparently. Right. And that's why I played the first clear from Mr. Brown, the host of the show, to say open dialogue is the only way this works.

3:12:41 Malcolm X said it. You got to get people to the table. Have the conversation, put a side offense to make progress. Now, the great thing about this was Dr. Francis Chris Wilson was debating, quote unquote, debating William Shockley. But she, even, as you heard him say in the previous clips, she made sure he always had a platform so he could be, so he could voice his theory and then she, you know, she could counter it. So now she's going to speak to him and his possible shared ideology with Nazis. I'd like to comment because I'd like to say that I don't think that there's a major difference between what Dr.

3:13:20 Shockley is doing. I don't think that Dr. Shockley is fully aware of what he is doing and why he is doing what he's doing. But the long-range implications of what he is doing are no different than the propaganda campaign that Hitler and his Nazi unit carried on in Germany that ended up eliminating 6 million Jewish people. Now, what is most interesting is that Hitler said the very same thing. He said, number one, that the Jews were genetically inferior to the Aryans. I think it's very, very important. Even though Dr. Shockley, I am convinced that Dr.

3:13:55 Shockley believes that he is perhaps elevating science with all of his charts and all of his figures, but he doesn't understand the things that propel him as a white individual in a social system that has programmed him throughout his life and programmed large numbers of people like him to focus on the genetics of people of color in such a way as to destroy people of color. Wow. That was Frances Welsing? Yes. She's good. Yeah, she's a beast with it. And like I said, this is how you have a debate. And this is where we've devolved. I mean, so you got to ask the question: are we actually devolving?

3:14:39 People have to ask this question. And like I said, I am nowhere near a eugenicist because I believe everybody has the right to live. You know what I'm saying? But we also had to look at the, and I use this word purposely, the stock of America and what's going on right now and say, what is actually going on? You know, and I'm more from the side of it that when you don't tend to a garden, that's the problem. I'm not about who's selecting what gets to grow and what doesn't get to grow. I'm more about you have to nurture it. And that goes back to my point of you need to have one parent in the household, you know,

3:15:22 teaching the children because I think that's the only way you further, you know, civilization. I don't feel like dysgenics was really explained in that series. Uh-huh. You want to give a review? You don't? He explained it in number two. I mean, 32. Basically, it's like we're going backwards. Too many of the wrong people are having too many babies while the right people are not having babies. Right. Well, what's the dysgenics part? That is, I mean, that is literally dysgenics. That is literally dysgenics. Ah, okay. Now, I thought dysgenics was, I thought it was something you could actually do like eugenicists. You could have dysgenesis, but I guess not.

3:16:07 No, well, it's the complete opposite because eugenics is basically is planned parenthood versus unplanned parenthood. That's what he's saying. Like, eugenics is being mindful of how we have children. Dysgenics is the wrong people having too many kids. And it's told on the. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Okay. So yeah, that whole man, that 20, I think it's like almost 30 minutes. It's so much chocolate. So you'll be hearing back from that. But I mean, I think we both agree that the dysgenics part, well, if we had education.

3:16:44 education actually working, functioning so that your kids could go, then we know it would be better. That's part of the problem. That is a problem, regardless of color. You get oversocialized, underinformed, highly medicated human resources. That's a recipe for disaster. And I think that's what we're looking at right now. Right. So, but he doesn't factor in nature's versus nurture. He's completely on the nature side of it, but he doesn't factor in the component of nurture, which I think is a far greater. And this is a quick aside, another one, is we saw this in trading places.

3:17:27 And that's what that whole $1 wager was about. Is it genetics? You know, is that black man in his position that he's in, Eddie Murphy, because of his genetics or opportunity? And is that white man in the position, you know, I think it was not Dan Aykroyd? It was Dan Aykroyd? Who put? Mortimer. Mortimer. No, no, the one they took. Dan Aykroyd, yes. Okay, yeah. So they took him and put, they swapped their places and said, well, if it's genetics, then the black guy will fail and the white guy will still succeed. Right. So I'm on it. I'm on the side, and that's what the experiment proved that it's nurture, not nature.

3:18:10 Clearly. And now where's the science on that? Where are the scientists saying this? Oh, no, they don't want to do that because. Science is racist. That's why, Moe. Oh, you're about to find out more than you ever know. 37. But very few people are aware that the idea originated not in Nazi Germany, but in the United States two to three years before Hitler, two to three decades before Hitler came to power, as American eugenicists went on a campaign to create a white master Nordic race, blonde and blue-eyed. Now, what are we talking about? We're talking about the idea of eugenics.

3:18:55 Eugenics itself started in Victorian England. There was a scientist. His name was Francis Galton, the cousin of Darwin, Charles Darwin. And this guy, Galton, had these ideas that if talented, skilled, and wealthy people married other talented, skilled, and wealthy people, they would have talented, skilled, and wealthy children. And so he tried to find a way to quantify the idea of a good marriage. And he came up with this term from the Greek that he invented, eugenics, meaning good life or good birth.

3:19:36 Oh, man, that's so fantastic because the proof is in the pudding. Right now, you can go to the Hamptons, Long Island, New York, and you can just, you know, just ask someone or you can just look in the local paper. And this is where all the rich people of New York and maybe just in general, the banking world, all the smart people, all the beautiful people all come together, all vacation together. I have friends who go there religiously. Oh, we love being with their friends. And all their kids, or not all, a large proportion are assholes. And they're in trouble. They're getting arrested. They're getting kicked out of shit. They're disruptive. It's nurture. Like I said,

3:20:21 I've always been big on nurture because when you limit opportunity, then and like and actual literal nurture, you feed kids poor diets, high sugar. I mean, it crazy crazy things. All host of problems. So definitely is the problem. But they bring up Galton and Charles Darwin. And this is where you said science is racist. That's why I said more than you ever know. Do you know the full name of Charles Darwin's most famous book? No. Do you know the name of it? Well, it's evolution, isn't it?

3:21:04 Evolutionary biology. What is it? No? I don't know. It's natural selection. Oh, natural selection. Yes. I should have known that. Yes. Natural selection. Okay. And it says, or the preservation of favorite races in the struggle for life. Favored races. Now, this is everybody who everybody want to tell me that the evolution came from and we need to listen to him. But he was a stone cold white supremacist. So I mean, like, literally literally him and his cousin. So that I want to just find natural selection. That was the title of the book. Let me see.

3:21:49 I don't know if it was called that. Let me see. Let me go back. I don't think it was. I think. I don't know. How about no, he was most the origin of speeches, species. No, it's the origins. The origin of species. Read the full title, though. The origin. It says the origin of species by means of natural selection or. Oh, my goodness. Yeah. Okay. That's a long title that they caught that convenience. I'm looking at an actual scan in the show notes, everybody. Uh-huh. So I'll read it.

3:22:29 The origin. So it's Charles Darwin. I thought the first part of it. Yeah. Well, I'm just going to do the whole thing. The origin of species by means of natural selection or the preservation of favored races in the struggle for life. Oh, man. This is what kind of psyop is this? They shortened the title. This is fantastic. Because it's inconvenient. Well, hell yeah. But then you tell me, oh, trust science. No. No, math ain't racist. Science is racist. When you have quote-unquote scientists talking about favored races, very convenient. Very. I'm putting this image in the show notes, too. This is great.

3:23:11 Now you see the population bomb is nothing compared to the OGs of this. No, the OG. And this is not known. Duh. Okay. As well, it's not discussed at all. So every time somebody says, trust science, no, no, no, no, no. And this is this mindset with why you had segregated water fountains because you had black people carry disease and you know, you could catch blackness. You know, this, that's this. Oh, oh, oh, I totally caught blackness from you. Oh, totally. That's that's a dumb deal. No, but it was like, you know, like literally like it was disease, like leprosy.

3:23:54 That's why they looked at it. But this is so beautiful to know. And people need to memorize this. Memorize, because Darwin is so often used just cavalierly. So, oh, you mean the guy who said natural selection, actually the preservation of favored races in the struggle for life? That's the guy you're talking about? Yeah, that's the guy we're talking about. Yeah. Wow. Wow, wow, wow. I said, wow, we'll lose this show. More than usual. Number 38. These ideas were imported into the United States at the turn of the last century, meaning in the early 1900s.

3:24:31 Now, what was that time like? It was a time of great racial, ethnic, and demographic upheaval and conflict. What did we have? We had millions of Jews coming in from the East, from Eastern Europe, from Russia, from Poland. We had millions of blacks in the post-Reconstruction and post-Civil War era who were being integrated into United States society. Indians were being integrated into United States society. Millions of Asians had come in from the West as demographic, as indentured laborers.

3:25:12 And millions of Mexicans were now in U.S. territory as a result of Mexican-American wars, in which we took over a great amount of Mexican territory. And there were a bunch of white guys, some scientists, some wealthy people, men of privileged people whose names most people don't know, names like Charles Davenport and Harry Laughlin. And they wanted it the way it was. They wanted it the way it was when their fathers were running the country. And this is why you have the creation of the one-drop rule. Black was really a

3:25:58 political designation to prevent people from what? The same way I talked about the red and blue states and they're building political fences around their states. They build a political fence around whiteness. And not in a sense, like I said, that's why when people do, they use these trivial terms, they don't do it justice to get to the root cause and root understanding of what's really going on. And just because you have white skin don't mean you're white. Or supremacist. Right. Because like you said, those people. that go to those places like Martha's Vignette and those kind of things, those are that's who they look at as white.

3:26:40 Like, who's your family? You know, let's track your lineage. Who's your grandfather? Who's your great-grand, you know, that kind of thing? And this is why it was so easy to accept the Obamas because, you know, well-spoken. Wasn't it Biden himself who said he's very well spoken, very intelligent? Very well spoken, but it was easy to accept him because his lineage on his mother's side. Oh, yeah. Very deep. That's what opened the door for him. But I just want to go back to you brought up that little boy cussing out the cops and stuff. That is the result of programming at the earliest ages.

3:27:17 And this is how they, this is why CRT is so important. And you wonder why, why is it the people that say they like black people push all the poison to them? You know, like that kind of program that child had. It's because they don't want them to reproduce. That's that's what that's what's what a lot of this sexuality stuff is about. The whole yeah. And then and then to say, oh, no, no, you can have, don't worry, don't worry. You can still have a, you can still have children. There's no intent. There's no intent on any of that.

3:27:57 How long have you? How long have you known about this, this particular part about Darwin's true writing? For a very long time. And you saved all this through like 80 episodes. Because I remember doing one drop rule that was early on. Right. Because you have this layer on top of layer on top of layer. Like when Hitler got his ideas from America. Everybody thinks that we went to Germany and got eugenics and all that. No, no, no, no, no. He was a fanboy of what we had going on over here. Crikey. Like the gain of function and everything you see without that's just a repeat of all of this.

3:28:39 It's the same thing. It's the codifying of science for the sake of progress. Which means less people. At the end of the day. They should get you. I'm not easily flummoxed, although this does happen a lot on this show. This was a big one. I really appreciate it. You have one more clip here. Yeah, so we talked about eugenics. I've mentioned this term before, but now we find about new genics. But now there's a resurgence of the same impulse that caused eugenics in the first place.

3:29:22 I'm speaking of new genics. And this time, it will not be racial dogma and national flags. This time it will be globalization, profit, bottom line, corporate activity that determines who is fit and who is not fit to continue their existence. And legislators are seeing this as the new threat of discrimination in the 21st century. And anti-genetic legislation is already embraced by nations all over the world.

3:30:01 And this legislation is in our Congress now. Shortly after I speak, the first vote is going to take place in the Senate to adopt anti-genetic discrimination laws to stop gene lining. We all remember what redlining was. Now it will be gene lining. And so as we go into the dazzling 21st century of genetic genies, we hope that as many miracles as possible come our way. But we also ask that Wall Street and these corporations and our society look over their shoulder and make sure that genetics does not return from whence it came.

3:30:49 Well, enter the mRNA vaccines. And enter your ERG score. I think it's called ERG. ESG, ESG. ESG, excuse me. We just learned that in a laboratory, at least, but it comes from McCullough. McCullough is the King McCullough. You can't mess with his credentials, Dr. McCullough. He says, oh, no, we now have proven in a lab that the RNA vaccination does change DNA. And now you're at the, now you're at the gen from genetics is in the genes.

3:31:26 Now you're in. So now we can. And there is a law. that you can't discriminate against someone's genes or genetic differences. And I think that's what this was probably referring to. Oh, man. I mean, this, when we take it to that level, it gets into something that I know I could, I can, because it's a fucking science fiction movie. Yeah, we had to change it. We had to change the genetics. We had to kill off a whole bunch of invalids. Anyone with any kind of flaw, including obesity, gone.

3:32:06 And it's about creating inferiority so you don't feel worthy to reproduce. See, this is bad. White supremacy is very subtle. It's very, that's the thing about it. That's why when people jump out the fence and ah, you know what I'm saying, like white hood. No, it's not the white hoods. It's the white coats you got to be worried about. Not the white hoods. It's the white coats. Hell yeah. And all it's, it's a big plan if you look at it like that to where we are right now. Great plan for a small group of people. Yeah. Yeah. But big enough. I'd say 6%. They're trying to, they'll probably wind up killing off 6% globally.

3:32:52 Yeah, but they now scare others into not feeling that the biggest problem is people feeling they're worthy to have kids. Oh, no, that's the word. No, we're already done. We're done. You would need you. We would need such an incredible counter campaign to turn that back. That's what Dogs Are People 2 is about. Oh, I can't afford a kid. And hey, man, no kidding, the diapers are expensive. Oh, yeah, that's part of the plan. Part of the plan. You're right. Baby formula. No, it's the big meme. Baby formula. Baby formula. Baby formula. Yeah, we can't get you any baby formula. Well, we're shipping it down to the border, but no baby formula. It's like, what? Yeah, so, I mean, this whole thing, man, is

3:33:36 so subtle, but don't, as Nilly Fuller always said, don't be confused. They're confused. They understand masks are bad for you. They understand what mRNA was. They understand what gain of function is. They understand everything. They understand it all. But at the end of the day, it's to get that number down. It's going to be 10% left, and then they're going to do 90% of that 10%. And that's how it rolls. And that's continuous improvement from their standpoint. And one more thing: there was a, I can't remember the name of it.

3:34:13 I'll go back and watch it again. But there was a science fiction movie where one of the guys were born by natural birth in a time where every baby was playing. And he wanted to go to outer space. I think it was like Galica, Galactica, something like that. Gattaca. Gattaca. That's it. That's where we're headed. That's the black and white movie. No, it's not black and white. It's in color. But his parents somehow concede him naturally in a time where all the children were playing birth or genetically. Oh, you know what? You're right. It wasn't black and white, but the whole world looked kind of black and white.

3:34:53 This is where they were checking in with their tattoo or whatever, their special scan the code on their on their palm as they're walking. Is that the one? Am I thinking about that? Yeah, that's the one. That's the one. I'll put that in the show. And he had to fake it somehow. But I'm just saying, that's where we're headed. And that's where Mr. Musk comes in at. Oh, were you born with inferior genes? Here, put this chip in your brain. Yeah. We can get you up to speed. We'll equalize you. Yeah, we'll normalize you. We'll bring you up to the baseline, baseline of the genetically. This is one of these shows where Tina will say, you know, say, how was Mo? I said, it was a great show.

3:35:36 Blew my mind. So what was it about? It's always the same question. We always play the same game. I used to just say, well, you got to listen to it. Now I try. I try because that's not very effective. What was it about? I can't explain it. I can't explain this one. I mean, you can't leave anything out of this episode. You can't just say, well, it was about eugenics or, hey, guess what? Hitler never left. How would you explain this show if someone had to explain why it's important to listen to this episode? Less people versus more people. That's it. Bottom line. The two core groups, the two core groups. Yes. Mo, thank you. Thank you, brother.

3:36:19 Thank you. Thank you for keeping this hidden from me so that I had the base. No, I know why you did it. So I have the base. base of understanding when you started throwing it back to the one-drop rule and say, ah, it makes sense. Are we going to conclude our series soon? Because pretty soon I'll just know all things in the universe. Or does the learning never stop? It never stops because they keep revealing more and more, you know, of their hand. And as I always say, pay attention to everything and the show will reveal itself. And as I always say, remember to support this work, this important work, the value that you receive. Value for value is the only way it will continue. Mofacts.com, mofundme.com.

3:37:00 Mo, thanks again, man. I can't wait till the next episode. All right, see you then, Adam. We'll see you next time. Bye-bye, everybody. Girl, I'm in love with you. But this ain't the honeymoon. Past the infatuation phase. Right in the thick of love. At times we get sick of love. It seems like we argue every day. I know I misbehaved and you've made your mistakes. And we both still got him laughing. What is a baby gonna do? And though love sometimes hurts, I still put you first. And we'll make this thing work. But I think we should take it slow.

3:37:46 We're just ordinary people. Maybe we should take it slow. Take it slow. This time we'll take it slow. Take it slow. This time we'll take it slow. Take it slow. If you want to live longer, maybe we'll crash and burn. Maybe you'll stay. Maybe you'll leave. Maybe you'll return. Maybe another fight. Maybe we won't survive.

3:38:29 Maybe we'll grow. We never know. Baby, you and I. We're just ordinary people. We don't know which way to go. Hey, cause we're ordinary people. Maybe we should take it slow. Hey, hey, we're just ordinary people. We don't know which way to go. Cause we're ordinary people. Maybe we should take it slow. Take it slow.

3:39:14 Oh. This time we'll take it slow. Take it slow. This time we'll take it slow. Take it slow. This time we'll take it slow. Take it slow. This time we'll take it slow.