63: We Are People 1

00:14 Mo Facts with Adam Curry for May 25th, 2021. This is episode number 63. And don't let the ominous music throw you because we are happy to be back. It's been a couple of weeks, but the streets demanded it. So here we are. I'm Adam Curry in Austin, Texas, and in Virginia, my friend on the other end, ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Mo Facts. How you doing, Adam? Good, Mo. What kind of disastrous music is this? It's the Moe's in this house. Some heavy ass hoes in this house. What? I hadn't heard this version. This is just like the... This is not even a version. It's like some kind of... It's the classical version.

00:59 Because we're going to keep it classy today. Oh, okay. So I decided to go with the classical version of it. Wait a minute. You, me, we're keeping this. I'm sure a lot of people. Is this because your Mama Facts is now listening to the show that you can all of a sudden keep it classy? Is that what's going on? No, it's because of this topic that we're going to talk about. Once you spin that wheel. Okay. We're going to have to keep it classy. All right. I'm pranking up right now. Ladies and gentlemen, it's the wheel of topics. Where it stops, nobody knows. The only person who really knows is Moe, of course, because he put the show together expertly. The topic for Mo Facts with Adam Curry, episode number 63, is... It's called WAP.

01:39 Oh, yeah, this is right in my wheelhouse. Everyone knows WAP stands for Weird Ass Podcaster. So I'm ready for the show. So we have to talk about it. And to let everybody know, this will be a two-part show. First ever. Yeah, this is because this is, if not, it would have been a hundred clip lists. Now, do we have a cliffhanger, though? Are we going to leave him hanging at the end of the show? Do we have something like that? They'll have to stick around to the end to figure out. And then they'll see where it goes. But I said, we're going to keep it classy. If I could, can we get a warning?

02:23 Oh, shoot. We named that right off the bat. Man, the machine hadn't even warmed up yet. Of course we can. Trigger warning. Trigger warning. Trigger warning. Your attention, please. Trigger warning has been activated. Oh, well, when the trigger warning has been activated, I feel good. I'm ready. And also, can we get a parental guidance if you have it in there? Because if nobody knows what WAP stands for, you might want to go look it up. But it's not what it's going to stand for by the end of the show. I'll say that for this episode. I think it's fairly easy to say that any human being

03:08 over the age of 12 by this knows what WAP stands for. That song and video part. Yeah, it is a bit sad. Exactly. So parental guidance, I would suggest you listen to it first and then let your kids listen to it because as always, we're going to handle it classy. Now, Mo Ban, before you get started, I'm sorry to interrupt. This is a value for value podcast. You better be listening on a value for value enabled podcast app. If not, stop right now. Go to newpodcastapps.com. Get something that does value for value and boost us during the show so we know what parts you liked and boost a lot and boost often.

03:54 Okay. And splash those sets. Splash those sets. So I guess everybody's wondering why we picked this topic. I mean, it's kind of, I don't know, a strange topic to have on one of our podcasts, but it's because of Maxine Waters and what she said to Megan Thee Stallion. Well, Megan Thee Stallion and Maxine Waters had a conversation for Harper's Bazaar online. And one of the things that they talked about was the song WAP. They told me to look at that. Was it WAP? And I did. Don't worry. Don't worry. Don't worry. Don't worry. Don't worry.

04:38 Now that's Audacity. And that is the ability for women to take charge of what they want to say. Because I had paid attention to the young, you know, gangster rap time when, you know, men were in charge. They said whatever they wanted to say. But women, you know, didn't say for a long time what they could say. or wanted to say or dared to say. Okay. Okay. Very important to note that WAP is the latest evolution of women expressing their sexual desire, though. Maxine is an OG. She should know that. You can't forget about Salt and Pepper and TLC and Lil Kim and Fox Brown and Trina and Gangstaboo, Missy Elliott, you know, Kaya, Nikki Minaj.

05:18 Like, you know, a lot of women that have these sexual desires. Now, Megan Thee Stallion also was talking about protecting black women. And why is that so hard to do? They feel like it's controversial. And all I'm saying is protect black women. And now people are taking it like I'm saying something crazy. So just to be supported by another black woman who, you know, sends the same message, I feel like, you know what? I am doing the right thing and I'm going to keep doing it because Maxine Waters said I can. Wow. I didn't even know this happened. When did she say this? And how did I know? How did a while ago? How did I? It was a while ago. And I filed this away because I found it to be one of the most disgusting forms of pandering and commoditizing human beings

06:07 ever in politics. Hence, it's going to have a two-part show made about it. Man, but Maxine Waters, that's her gig, man. She's great at doing that. She's really good at productizing people, commoditizing them. Correct. And that's if you understand that culture that's in music right now, they would call it the thought culture. I don't know if you know what thought means, but it's those holes over there. Hey, hey, I got one. Yeah. I'm sorry about that. I should have just asked you. I should have trusted you. Yeah, that's all, but I get around. Yeah. I keep her. Don't take it that way, Keeper. She knows. She knows. This is a joke. But

06:52 we're going to keep it light. We're going to keep it classy, but it's a very deep topic. And we have to go and look at all the layers that's going on here. One, the reason, bro, somebody of Maxine Waters. I don't want to say age, but from her generation, this is highly unexpected for her to support this kind of music. You would assume. Well, I mean, music or the topic and the video and the lyrics. And which version did she hear is another thing, you know? Yeah. Well, but I will say this. Maxine Water has always been on the side of supporting hip-hop music.

07:37 Now, it may be for ulterior motives because of what district seat she's in. And we're going to get to that later. What I want to do now is show you that you expected the story to be covered on the Breakfast Club since it's a hip-hop station. When I heard it on the Ricky Smiley morning show, that target audience is, well, he took over from Tom Joyner. Which, you know, that's the black boomer station. No offense. WBBS, Black Humor. Yeah. So when I saw it there, I'm like, they're trying to really push the acceptance of the thought culture in an older, in an older audience.

08:23 So let's go ahead and get into that clip. So let's get off into this thing. Last year, I know y'all probably remember Meg Thee Stallion wrote a letter about the lack of protection for black women. And as a result, Representative Maxine Waters sent her a letter commending her for her efforts. Now, fast forward a couple of months, Megan got the chance to interview Rep Waters for her bizarre Harper's Bazaar spread. During the interview, Reverend Representative Maxine Waters told Megan that she thought of WAP, saying, I listen to young people around me and they may tell me something that you may ought to pay attention to. But then they told me to look at it. Was it WAP? She said, she said, don't worry, don't worry. I said, now that's audacity. That is audacity. Yeah, truth comes out there, huh?

09:09 Rev Maxine. Oh, the cult of woke, aka the holy cow. So that was a major slip that wanted to come out there. And the reason why I also use that, that was The Brat, which was a female rapper from the era, from an earlier era. 80s, late 80s, late 80s, 90s. It was mid-90s. One of my favorite songs, Functify. Yeah, early to mid-90s, I would say that. And she made one of my favorite songs of all time, Functified. She has a good story, too. I mean, she literally came from passing out shit around, right? We're going to get her story and possibly her sister's story.

09:52 It's a little foreshadowing there, sorry. I like it. So, we got to go back to episode 52. And there, this is when Meg the Stallion first popped up on our show. And it was talking about when she did the Saturday Night Live performance. And in it, she was like, Protect black women. And let's just go ahead and get into that. Um, that feature this morning, hip-hop star Megan the Stallion speaking out and speaking up for black women in America. Being constantly told she's too much or not enough. The most disrespected person is the black woman.

10:32 The singer pending a powerful op-ed piece in the New York Times, taking on the issue of violence against women, opening up about her own experience and what she describes as being a victim of an act of violence by a man, explaining the issue is even more intense for black women who struggle against stereotypes and are seen as angry or threatening when we try to stand up for ourselves and our sisters. For her to speak to these issues and to speak to us specifically, because the conversation is almost always about everybody else but black women, it's very meaningful and it's very significant. This comes just days after the rap superstar performed her mega hit Savage on Saturday Night Live.

11:13 The words protect black women behind her on stage, featuring quotes from Malcolm X and activist Tamika Mallory calling out Kentucky Attorney General Daniel Cameron for his handling of the Breonna Taylor case. We need to protect our black women and love our black women. Megan the Stallion's op-ed pointing to other obstacles black women face, like disproportionately high mortality rates for black mothers, and citing a 2019 stat that 91% of transgender or gender non-conforming people who are fatally shot were black. Oh man, I love it. So black women get no protection at all.

11:53 It's not about black women or they did a quick little side side move there, a little uh yeah, with a quick shift. And my question is, protect them from who? Yeah. Um and I ask that in all seriousness because the implied well they need to be protected from is black men. Yeah, that's what they're saying. Right. So let me try. Let me try this on you. So, of course, we know why they say they want to be protected, but then it's very hard to say that black women are being assaulted. So, well, but look at these uh black women who used to be men.

12:33 And that's that's what you're really taking up from biological men. Yeah, I'm not talking about, but that's that's the method right there. It's like, well, we don't have any black women to show for it. So, well, but we got them. Well, and I'll say this: black women need to be protected. And what they need to be protected from is no, I'm saying specifically because they're the most propagandized people on this earth. Yes, they need to be protected. That's and it could be much more damaging long run. Correct. And that's what we're really going to get into because I have to handle this show with care. And it's what took so long.

13:14 This is why I couldn't do it in one sitting because it's a very profound topic. Because as I always say, there's a gender war, a generational war, a race war all going on at the same time. And in that gender war, the mass media or mainstream media is pitting black men against black women. And I want to point out the real enemy in these next two sittings. We really have to do that because this thing is at full tilt right now. And let me just interject by just saying, what the heck happened to Saturday Night Live?

13:58 The musical guest, and I was in New York in the 80s and I followed this show for a long time. The musical guest was always something weird, something offbeat, something that you hadn't heard of, you know, weird outfits, but always some kind of musical, something great in there. I mean, it was, it was, it was just, it was, uh, you rarely ever liked the band, but be like, oh, that's kind of interesting. And now it's just turned into this hit-making propaganda spot. It's really disappointing. It's the center ring of the woke circus. Correct. Is what it is. Yeah, correct. And what they do is they roll people out Saturday night and it's Sunday morning on the news shows.

14:40 And for the rest of the week, we have something to talk about. I think you're probably referring to the Lil Nas X performance. Yep. Exactly. And I just want to point that out: that um bussy is on the rise. So, um, I don't know if you know what that stands for, but that's another thing black women need to worry about. Yes, just stands for uh boy boy p-u-s-s-y. Um, yeah, it stands for boy whap is pretty much um, is what it stands for. Um, and the reason why I say that is even in that clip, and I brought that point up in that clip for a reason, they don't really care about black women.

15:26 It's once again, black women hold the door, and we're gonna let everybody else in. Yeah, and what us, the men, brothers, you know, saying that really love our sisters and mothers, cousins, um, aunties, and whoever else, we're waving the flag. Like, don't you see what's going on here? These people that's putting a battery in your back don't have your best interests at heart. And that's what really irked me about this whole Maxine Reverend Waters doing what she did because it's like you, you are from Compton, you understand what goes on with the

16:11 commoditization of women and their in their and their uh most prized possession, and it really hurt me truly. It really I'm irked right now just thinking about it. Um, because then they say you don't want to protect our women, and the reason why we always have this conversation, it starts with us, it starts with us, but it doesn't end with us and it doesn't stop with us. So, I'm ringing the alarm to everyone else. This is what's coming, and hopefully, like as always, we can gain allies and put this thing into check.

16:53 One of the disgusting things they did in that clip when we called it out in show 52 is how they took the Malcolm X clip and used that one little snippet and didn't play the whole clip in context. So, I would like to go back to that clip, play it in context, and then we can discuss. Most disrespected person in America was the black woman, the most unprotected woman, a person in America is the black woman, the most neglected person in America is the black woman. And as Muslims, the honorable Elijah Muhammad teaches us to respect our women and to protect our women. Then, the only time a Muslim really gets real violent is when someone goes to molest his woman.

17:38 We will kill you for our woman. I'm making it plain. Yes, we will kill you for our woman. We believe that if the white man will do whatever is necessary to see that his woman gets respect and protection, then you and I will never be recognized as men until we stand up like men and place the same penalty over the head of anyone who puts his filthy hands out to put in the direction of our women. Okay. And the key thing there is when he said respect and protection.

18:22 And he pointed out, he didn't say black women, he said our Muslim women. So it was the women that participate in our culture, we protect with our lives and we will kill for them if necessary. There's a popular scene in the movie Malcolm X shot by Spike Lee, where he's walking down the street in Harlem and you have working women, you know, aka prostitutes all around him as he's headed to his destination. He doesn't stop to protect them because he feels like they chose to be disrespected. Now, we're going to put some nuance and we're not going to dehumanize anybody here, but to use that clip of Malcolm X and say like he would condone what was going on in that stage while Meg the Stallion performed a song which coat features Beyonce called Savage when we've been

19:14 painted as savages throughout all of history. I don't think he would stand for that. So that's where I'm coming from. Like, and you got to ask yourself, who's behind Harper Bazaar? Who's behind the New York Times? Who's behind Saturday Night Live? Who's giving this person, Megan Stallion, access to people like Revin Waters and all of these platforms that she's participating and pushing this message, not about women empowerment more than then we need to be protected. protected as black women. And I ask again, from who? Who are you saying that to? So I'll turn it over to you. I'm just trying to. Brother, I'm hoping the answer is China.

19:57 But the influence is very, very deep. And the worst part is that it's black women now who need to be protected from black women who have been completely co-opted under some massive spell. And that's exactly the point. And it's what this does is when you go on national television and perform in the way that you perform, you bring down the overall level of respect required for women of all statuses, but especially black women. Because now what we have is you have these extremes.

20:36 And when the boundaries are pushed, then society kind of gravitates further to the left or the right or conservative or liberal, not in the form of politics, but okay, if like back in the 50s, showing sex on television was not acceptable. But then you would go fast forward. You know, it's like, okay, as long as they're under the sheets, but we don't show any body parts. So that made it, it made it even more acceptable for, you know, other things to happen on television. And they keep shifting this acceptance and why they wasn't accepted. And then that bleeds more to normal culture. It was only, what, 10 years ago, and Janet Jackson's boob was exposed on the Super Bowl, and everyone lost their shit.

21:20 And that's my point. What color is Janet Jackson? It's always. But no, that goes to show you they use us specifically, but our women more specifically to push this sexual revolution, which I think we're in another sexual revolution now. We had one in the 60s and 70s. And now we're seeing it fast forward. We're seeing another evolution of it. Well, the evolution has been a complete unraveling first into all these different categories.

22:00 Right. And what we'd have to do is look when we talk about this, and you pointed out yourself. You said everybody over 12 year old, 12-year-old know what WAP stands for. That's because it's played on every radio station. Of course. And we're going to get into the lyrics. It was completely normalized. They were playing it on morning shows. They were playing it everywhere. It was number one. It was a complete normalization and a super head shaker. And you could not say, especially in the presence of 15-year-old white girls, you could not say this is unacceptable.

22:36 Oh, yeah. I know you can ring your bell, but it's still ringing in my head. And the main pushback was: first of all, well, don't you know that's what male rappers have been doing for decades? That was the number one thing. And that's why it was hidden behind an advisory label and kept from people under a certain age. So the advisory label is to make you really want to hear it. That's a market. Correct. I mean, I remember being a teenager when they first came about, and you couldn't buy it unless you had somebody over 16 to buy it for you. Yeah. But now you have elders, well, lack of a better word, elder, elders like Maxine Waters saying it shows audacity to talk about the moisture of your prize possession.

23:26 And that in itself, I mean, that's a real head shaker. But I understand why. And we're going to get into why. But when I saw that, I was like, well, yeah, we really jumped the shark. Now, not that it matters, but do you think Rev Maxine actually saw the video? Probably not. That's what I'm saying. Because it came out so easy for her, this Audacity word. It's like, come on. And the other thing is, I did a deep dive, and it's a third person in that room. And the second show of this set, we're going to get into who's the third person in that room between Maxine Waters and Meg Thee Stallion.

24:10 So it's Harper Bazaar is not a lightweight magazine. It has decent standing. I think it's from the Hearst family, if I'm not mistaken. I believe so. Yeah. So I want to get back going into part two from the Ricky Smiley morning show so they can wrap up with that. That's Audacity. That is Audacity. And that is the ability for women to take charge of what they want to say. I had paid attention. attention to the young gangster rap at the time when men were in charge. They said whatever they wanted to say about women, what have you, but women didn't say for a long time what they could or wanted or dared to say.

24:51 And so I thought that is audacity. Okay, representative Maxine Waters. That's what's up. Represent the ladies. That's what I'm talking about. Ooh, something just hit me. I'm since I'm listening to this. There was one white woman who has been on the WAP tip for her entire career and has been continuously yelled at about it. Who would that be? Madonna. Oh, yeah. And that's the thing. Like, it was taboo when she would talk about it. Madonna was rolling around on stage in 1986 with like five, with like a virgin in a wedding dress.

25:33 It was a scandal. A scandal, I tell you. Then she had the pointy bra and oh, a scandal. And what's with all these dancers? No, it's always, always, always got shit on initially by the culture police. Right. And now, fat, you know, coming into 2021, this kind of behavior is, like I said, is okay to show to 12-year-olds. And that's, I find that to be a real problem. But first, we ought to look at the word audacity. And I have two definitions here just from a quick web search. And it says a willingness to take bold risk.

26:15 That's the first definition. And then the second one is rude or disrespectful behavior, impudence. So what does she mean when she says audacity? Good one. It's one of those words. Like, it depends on who's hearing it. Yeah. What it means. Yeah. And how you say it. But that's, I'm looking at the dictionary.com because they always update their, they update their definitions whenever it's politically handy. So they say boldness or daring, especially with confident or arrogant disregard for personal safety, conventional thought, or other restrictions. That would be this show, by the way. And then two was effrontery or insolence, shameless boldness.

26:59 So it has softened it a little bit. And when you combine those two definitions, two definitions is shamelessness without thought. Dude, that's a good one. Yeah. Yep. And that's the key point of it. It's without thought. It's go do what you want to do. Do what thou wilt. If you want to call Alistair Crowley on them, and you won't be judged by your for your actions. But we all know that's not how reality works. We're all judged for all of our actions. But that's why I said this is very, this is a very harmful message that Maxine Waters is sending to younger women.

27:41 Can I tell you? I don't want to interrupt. What did you say? I just want to make sure I heard it. They were judged on all of our character, like all of it. Is that what you said? You said something. Yeah, I said we're judged. I mean, for everything that we do, everything that we, I mean, that's how society works. If I go outside with a red nose on, I should be able to do it, but then people are going to call me a clown. I mean, I could be a very competent person, but I'm going to be judged by my actions. I guess I jumped in because what I see is a very disturbing trend of people doing just that, judging on the one thing you do and not being interested at all in the whole of the person because that person really only represents that one tweet they made.

28:26 You know, there's nothing else or that one stack. Yeah. But that's what they're doing. They're boiling down women to a part. That's a problem. I have three daughters and a wife and a mother. It's like, you're not going to do that on my watch without me saying something that when you go out here, that you just boiled down, you know, to, you know, to and we like I said, we're going to get into whap. So I went and found this clip from Lorette Lynn from the TED Talks from Tulsa University, and she discusses redefining female audacity.

29:08 Audacity. It is defined as having the courage to make bold choices or excessive confidence. It is both of those or either of those. I define female audacity as having the excessive confidence a woman needs to make bold choices between. between two seemingly conflicting but significant elements of her life. That's pretty deep. Excessive confidence. Yeah. And if we were to say this about men, excessive confidence, that would be called toxic masculinity, right?

29:55 Yeah. Or a trait of toxic masculinity. So why is this not toxic femininity? Yeah, if we're calling it a spade a spade, but what they're trying to do is trying to use the best word here. What they're trying to do is radicalize these young girls sexually. Oh, mission accomplished so far as far as I'm concerned. And let me feel in from my perspective how this works. These are the greatest high priestess of the cult.

30:38 You know how many converts you can catch with pushing this message with sex. You see it on TikTok. Yeah. These girls dancing and doing whatever, and then they're pushing a political or social message with it. And what I think that's why I found it disgusting. Maxine Waters and people her ilk said, well, you know what? We need more of that. These young girls are like this. We need more of them to hypnotize everybody. Well, we saw it with the TikTok dancing doctors, right? The same thing. This is how you get the message across. So it's like, well, let's commoditize some WAP and congratulate them.

31:18 And they'll more than do than go and evangelize for our cause. Been the cult the woke. Does that make sense? Yes, certainly with the 62 episodes under my belt. Yeah. Yeah. So it's all witchcraft to me at this point. Yeah, because witchcraft is what control. And when you use sexual sexuality, you can, not saying you do or you will, but you can have control over people, as we saw. And another thing that made me do this case, I mean, do this story is

31:59 what happened in Atlanta. Wait, stop. Stop at the sexuality. There's something else going on that I've noticed. The sexual acts of a black woman depicted in music videos are different from those of white women. And they are influencing. Does this make any sense what I'm saying? It makes plenty of sense because now twerk is the dance. It's the dance of the cult. I mean, it has the whole big booty has changed the way women talk about their asses, white women.

32:41 We're getting there. We're going there. I just want you to know that it's so noticeable. But it's also for me as a white man, and I've seen, you know, I've seen a lot of music videos. But black sexuality on screen is different than white sexuality, but it's influencing in major ways how women dress, how they walk, how they, their makeup, everything is all geared toward this. Yes. And you also got to look at AV, I mean, A-A-V-E as well, which is African-American vernacular English, which we're going to do a whole show on that, where it's like they get into a trance and they channel what they think black women are like.

33:26 And you see this in all cultures. You know, the way they speak, like I said, the way they move, everything. So they're channeling could be the mother goddess, but we're not, we're not going, we're not going fast forward yet. Let's just get into the lyrics of the song. And to get to that, we have to go to the hip-hop aficionado, Ben Shapiro. 56 million views within 48 hours of release. You know, it's like, hey, Central Casting, hey, can you find me a white guy, like a really white guy? Yeah, I got one. Yeah, his name's Ben. Perfect. 56 million views within 48 hours of release.

34:12 This is a deeply important piece of American art that we should all pay attention to. It is deeply empowering. As a sympathetic human being, I just want to make sure these ladies get the care they need. My wife's medical advice. advice is that they go to a gynecologist, ASAP, and that they do whatever checks are necessary for bacterial vaginosis, yeast infection, or trichomonas. Whores in this house. There's some whores in this house. There's some whores in this house. There's some whores in this house. Hold up. I said certified freak seven days a week. Wet ass P-word. Make that pull-out game week. P-word. P-word is female genitalia. It continues along these lines.

34:57 Yeah, you effing with some wet-ass P-word. Bring a bucket and a mop for this wet-ass P-word. Give me everything you got for this wet ass P-word. I mean, a bucket and a mop? This sounds like there's something that is going on here that is not biologically normal. And by the way, this song is so unsexy that it frankly sounds like somebody describing what amounts to a serious condition that requires the care of a doctor. Fortunately, I know a doctor who is my wife. And so I asked her for her medical diagnosis. And she looked at the lyrics herself. And after being kind of appalled by them, obviously, there are a few sort of giveaways here. So first of all, a bucket and a mop for this wet ass P word.

35:35 So first of all, she had to clarify whether wet ass P word was a description of the P word or whether one of the clinical symptoms here was also diarrhea. God. He embarrassed himself with that, bro. I'll tell you. Yeah. But I will say this. Well, no, we're not going to put it off all on black women either. And the reason thing I have with Ben Shapiro is, Ben Shapiro, I'm sure you have quite a few phone numbers of record executives that are from your tribe. If you're picking up what I'm putting down, that you could put pressure on if you really wanted to put pressure on them. But no, it's always the women. It's not the executives.

36:19 It's not the people that sign off of this, but you play it on radio stations and social media apps. And why does this loud on Twitter without some kind of label on it? Do you hear those lyrics? And the thing is, this comes on at seven o'clock in the morning on black radio stations while moms and dads are taking their kids to school. And I've seen it with my own eyes. Moms in the front seat jamming out, kids in the back seat jamming out to these lyrics. And he didn't even get to the, these are, these are the tame lyrics of the song. He couldn't even, he couldn't even get into it.

37:00 But my question to Ben is: if you really want to make, are you using this for a talking point or you actually want to make some change? And if you do, make that phone call to your brethren. Well, okay. So first, I have to say the music business has changed somewhat. And although, yes, radio stations and syndicated shows and networks on radio have a, there's a, it's old school. That's really the old guard. I know I know Charlemagne and you know, is very popular and a lot of people listen. But this, to me, is more controlled by advertising and technology.

37:45 And you could nudge just as easily because Spotify really controls a lot more of the music business. YouTube, YouTube still, Apple Music, Apple Music. Those are the big ones. And then outlet-wise, the one to keep your eye on is TikTok. I mean, they are making hits. They are forcing hits. They reinforce hits. It's brilliant from a marketing perspective, but it also gives everyone the opportunity to practice, to practice being WAP or whatever they're pushing. What I'm hurt by Ben is, and like I said, if you really want to talk about it and make change.

38:26 He doesn't. I'm sure you. Let's just be honest. No, he's just doing an outrage talking point. He's like, I can't believe this is happening. That's the way I feel. Which is no better than what Maxine Waters did. Correct. See, if I'm going to be fair and balanced and objective, I have to call out usury on both sides. Yes. Which this WAP was allowed him to put a battery in, you know, saying whoever he's connected with back, one being Candace Owens, to put them on attack of in the culture war. Oh, and everything points to that being completely intentional. Let's throw this bomb out there. Let's let's spike it on

39:07 SNL and let's let's get the division going. Let's get the party started, Pape. Let's get everyone pissed off. Yeah, so I just want to point that out. I mean, if you want, if you do that outrage, pick up the phone and change the things you can change. And just going out and ranting about it really is not going to change it if you have the power to call people. high places and say, hey, 50, I think he said 56 million views in 48 hours. How many of those were kids? Well, I think you give Ben Shapiro too much credit. No, it's not that. I mean, he's a major player at YouTube. Yeah. Because he's one of the, I recently, and I'm pointing this out is he's one of the only few quote unquote with pips conservatives allowed to stay on that platform.

39:48 So you have, you, you have some. Yeah, you got some pulls. That's true. Yeah. Yes. So I'm not going to poo-poo. You're saying what kind of now can he get it pulled off? No. But I'm just saying that you want to take action. That would be the way to go to be more effective. Let's get back to Ben and him rapping whack. Please. Bring a bucket and a mop. So this suggests that there's an awful lot of not to be too graphic, but some sort of medical discharge that's happening here. And a lot too much because that's a symptom of something that is not going great. Beat it up, N-word. Catch a charge. Extra large and extra hard. Put this P-word right in your face. Swipe your nose like a credit card. Pop on top. I want to ride. I do a Kaggle while it's inside. Spit in my mouth. Look in my eyes.

40:30 This P-word is wet. Come take a dive. Apparently, there are signs of prolapse. And I say that because pop on top, I want to ride. I do a Kaggle while it's inside. So there's some signs of some actual clinical prolapse, which is which is a problem. There's some talk about where this person is putting their nose. And there's some talk about smelling. Talk your S-word, bite your lip, ask for a call while you ride that D-word. You really ain't never going to F him for a thing. He already made his mind up before he came. And now get your boots and your coat for this wet ass P word. Pay my tuition just to kiss me on this wet ass P word. This is what feminists fought for. This is what the feminist movement was all about. It's not really about women being treated as independent, full, rounded human beings.

41:12 It's about wet ass P word. And if you say anything differently, it's because you're a misogynist. You see? Yeah, it's very unfortunate, but that is definitely young women today. And I'm talking 20s, only fans. Younger, younger. I'm just telling you what my experience is. Yeah. Or knowledge is only fans doing, you know, well, you know, what you don't need only fans. It happens on, I was just listening to an interview today. It happens on the dating apps. You know, it's like, why don't you, you know, it's called a Tinder Pizza. Send me a pizza and then I'll then I'll connect with you.

41:54 And then, you know, this is new. You haven't heard the news. Oh, I got one. Oh, straight from the streets, ladies and gentlemen. It's the latest. Yeah, it's the Tinder Pizza. Where, yeah, you know, I'll hook up with you, but send me a pizza first. Or it will go like, I'm hungry. I got to get me a Tinder pizza. And you just swipe right on somebody and say, hey, man, send me a pizza. And this transactional nature of relationships is very deep right now. It's happening all over the place. And you hit it right there. You walk me right into my talking points. It's what we do, Moe. I don't know. That's what we do. That's how we roll. Allie, you oop.

42:36 Yeah. Well, I missed that one because I don't know what to do except for, I mean, you got it. You can protect your children from listening to the music directly, but the culture around them are changing and it's changing at such a fast pace that what you just said, it's the commoditization and the transaction base of you give me this, I give you that. And it's not like it used to be, I give you my, you know, saying my reproductive capabilities and prospossession, and you give me a house and a safe livelihood and, you know, I mean, safe existence, and you protect me with your life and

43:19 partnership in the male-female model. Yeah. What it is now is gig work. Well, it's worse because on the other side of the equation, I'm sure you got something about it in this episode or the next one, is porn is a huge problem for young men. So bad that I recently learned that a major pharmaceutical advertiser on podcasts, although they're sporadic, amongst gaming podcasts, is Pfizer. And they're marketing Viagra and they're marketing it to 20-year-old men. Yes. And that's the above board stuff. I mean, you also got these Viagra substitute or Viagra-like pills being sold around.

43:58 Everywhere, everywhere. And what it does, it just warps, it warps the expectation of young men and women. And then they say, well, protect women. And if you take a young boy, and I'm not making any excuses, and thank God I didn't grow up in this era. Before, if you wanted to see anything, you kind of had to get your uncle's tapes and magazines. magazines. I was going to ask you because we're 16, 16, 16, 15, 15, 16 years. So, my first porn was in the Netherlands, but it was magazine. We had two magazines. One was called Chick, and the other one was called Candy. And we had them literally buried in the woods, Mo.

44:39 We had them in a plastic bag, buried, hidden under a log. It's my turn, it's my turn for the magazine. We go, get the magazine. I'd take it home and bring it back the next day, and the other guy would take it. That was it. That was it. I'll say this: this is where that I was on that leap, the first wave of this sexual leap when you had Lil Kim, Foxy Brown. Right, we didn't have to do that. We didn't have the internet. You didn't find your first porn on the internet, did you? Oh, no, no, you had to go in either it was magazine, it was tapes, right? And I'll for complete transparency, of course, it was the it was the African and Middle Eastern vendors that would sell DVDs because you wouldn't.

45:21 I mean, you go in these bootleg stores or that like would sell bootleg movies or whatnot. And then they had like a back section, you know, that, and that was probably in my 20s. So, I would say before then, you had a magazine called Black Tales, um, and that was kind of like the black man's playboy. Cool, man. But what happened was that jump off of there and then to King magazine, and I think was called Vixen. And this is the rise of the video Vixen, right? Where hip-hop videos blurred that line between pornography and hip and just hip-hop videos.

45:58 I mean, you had a thing called Uncut, it used to come on BET, and you would sit at three o'clock in the morning, you know, to see what was the latest uncut video from the okay interesting because this did not start the sexualization of women in music videos, of course, did not start with black women, it started with white women because that was you know, it took a while for money to be put into hip-hop videos. But I was there, I witnessed all of this, and it literally went in one year from Tawny Katane. Rest her soul, she just passed away. I was at her wedding, lovely girl, you know, alcohol is a shitty ass addiction, who was rolling over in the white snake vault.

46:45 She was married to the guy from Rat first, and she was in their videos. And she was on the Jaguar with her legs kind of spread and rolling around. And it went from that to you know, boom, yo, MTV raps, and it was, you know, it was buts, really. There was a lot of butts. That's what it started with. And it just, it almost ended. It made the white hairband rock videos with hot chicks a joke almost overnight. Does that make sense? Like, yeah, everyone would be like, ah, that's sad. They look at this. It changed right before your very eyes. One year's time. Yeah, one of those EZ Tops no more. You know what I'm saying? It was

47:28 like tired. Yeah. There you go. Sir Mixalot probably was one of the biggest changes in how women were expressing sexuality on MTV. I'm not talking about anything else, but on MTV. And that was probably around that time, right? That was very early 90s. But at the same time, you had the balance. That was the thing. It was like, this is a subculture of hip-hop. You know, this is a sub conversation in hip-hop. You know, you had the arrested thing going on. And I keep forgetting. I'm sorry about this, forgetting his name. The guy that you said you did the advertising with in this next clip, big-time advertiser.

48:09 I think you said you did business with him once. Anyway, John Wren from Omnicom? No. You'll hear his voice and then you probably could pick up on him. But he pointed out, and I used this clip in the shooters to talk about the stud stereotype they use in hip-hop. And we just kind of slid past the other S that he discusses in this clip. Another area you talk about is relationships between black men and women and family dynamics. Certainly, relationships between black men and women are known to have been troubled.

48:51 African Americans certainly have a lower marriage rate than any other group. We have a lack of stable families, which has a big impact on both black children and adults. You say that this is partly the result of popular culture, which promotes black men as brutes and black women as sluts. The studs and sluts campaign. So you fast forward 400 years and then. this theme seems the studs and such such theme seems to be carried out certainly in the music videos, which are produced and acted in by black people. Yes. Yes. And it's, you know, it's really,

49:31 I want to believe that it's not a malignant kind of intention. I believe that it's insensitive. We have been conditioned to victimize ourselves with the use of the N-word, denigrating misogyny, denigrating our women, killing each other. This is part of the conditioning that nobody wants to talk about. Tom Burrell. Yes. Yes. Famous, famous for his advertising company. And I'll call him out. I called him out then. I'll call him out now that it wasn't intentional.

50:15 You had to know. And if you were there at the time, it was a sister named C. Dolores Tucker. And we're definitely going to talk about her in the second show. She called this out from the very beginning. And a lot of, I think his name was Curtis Butts, if I'm not mistaken, or Pastor Nam Curtis Butts. They called it out. They said, if you continue with this degradation in society, this is where you're going to end up. And lo and behold, here we are now. And one of Tupac's favorite famous lines is he's like, Dolores Tucker, you acker. You know what I'm saying? Like, because he was like, how you trying to hate on brothers? You know what I'm saying? Trying to make money, but it was like, at what cost?

50:56 And everybody told people like them to shut up. The money's going to be good. And even Maxine Waters was on the side of gangster rap at the time when C. Dolores Tucker was pointing this out as a problem. And she had an ulterior motive and the vested interest in hip-hop. When I say she, I'm speaking of Maxine Waters because her district is Compton, which is ground zero for gangster rap. So of course you don't want to see it be taken off. Right. It's a lot of revenue coming into your district. And I think fast forward now, we're seeing this again, where it's like, you know what? This could be very beneficial for us politically to get behind these young girls, even though we know it's not right, you know, but they vote too.

51:41 And they're powerful priestesses if we mobilize them and, you know, and they can radicalize young men and women with their platform they're giving. Power of music. And you fact, that's, yeah, you factor that in like sex and music together. That's like a that's a deadly cocktail. Speaking of which, let's just go right into number 13. Do we get your attention? Good. So you really not gonna vote?

52:28 You know it's more than just the president on the ballot, right? Check it. A district attorney decides who to prosecute, including whether or not to go after dirty cops. Do you know who elects the DA? We do, but you don't want to vote. Can't make it rain if you locked up on some bullshit. Want trades encoding Tautner schools? Then vote for the school boards that will prepare us for the job market. Want to end cash bail? Well, then vote for the sheriffs and county officials that feel the same way you do. But you talk out, oh, they're going to pick who they gonna pitch out. Ferguson just elected their first black mayor. You know how that happened? It's clear black lives don't matter to some of our current elected officials. If they matter to you, then don't let other people decide who's going to run your community.

53:13 Get your booty to the poll. Get your booty to the poll. Get your booty to the poll. For information on how and where to vote, as well as resources to find out who's running where you live, go to get yourbootytotholl.com. Since everything is done on the fly here, I didn't have a lot of time to look this up. But of course, you're in my old wheelhouse in advertising. So I looked this up. I want to know how effective that ad was. Because obviously we know what its intent was. According to Wikipedia, the first video was released in September 2020 before the presidential election.

53:55 And it was repurposed for the Georgia runoff election for January. The success of the first video led to the New Georgia Project funding a second ad explaining how to fill out a voting ballot. So So evidently. It's evergreen. Evidently, it was successful and it worked. And you know what? There you go. That's what all the political ads should be. If I was a consultant, be like, hey, that's the way to go. And if you have that, those numbers, I'm sure they have those numbers. Someone does. And it's like, let's get behind a person like Maxie on Meg the Stallion.

54:36 Yep. Let me see if it's a matter of fact. Woman, check, black, check, booty, check, go. Right. And I want to just point out one example. And this is really fascinating that you have black women participating in AAVE or African-American vernacular English when she said they're going to pick who they're going to pick, Shawty. You know what I'm saying? It's like, hold on. So you're speaking how you think black men are going to speak. You got to stop because this is so. Okay. I don't know what it is, but I catch myself doing that too when I'm talking to you.

55:15 Hold on. It's a couple different things, and they're conflating them together. There's code switching. There's AAVE. And then there's if you're talking to somebody and they're from another culture, you're going to pick up on things that they do. And I'm guilty of this myself. I work with a lot of Eastern Indians and they do this head shake left or right. Really? Cool. Yes. Like a Bollywood. Like a Bollywood. It kind of means like so-so or so you do it, huh? Because I'll see them do it. And it's not like I'm conscious. Like, you know what? I'm going to pander to them by doing it back to them.

56:00 It's, I think, in human nature, we pick up on these things. But it's like, I'm trying to get to something here because it's one thing when, you know, when you pick up on stuff and you do stuff where I'll say, hey, brother, you know, whatever. Would I say that to other friends of mine too? It depends. You know, it's not the same for every person I speak to. But in general, if Tina hears me say something that is clearly like a mofaxism, she was like, excuse me. But if you're singing it in a song, then it's acceptable, you see. If you're singing it along with me, if you drop me off in Britain long enough, I'm going to come back with a bloody or two, right?

56:42 I mean, it's just going to, it's just going to happen. But it's, my thing is, if it's, okay, let me pander to this person. Right. What do they say? How do they say it? Yeah. I got you. It's like write the script and build it all in there. Right. Or if it's, I'm uncomfortable. So, and I'm going to say this: this is a public service announcement to all my white friends out there. Like the give me a pound, dog. Don't do that. Don't, don't do that. No, because I understand you're trying to be endearing. But it's not, it's not even trying to be endearing.

57:25 It's like a thing. I think it's a human thing. You want to mirror someone. And by the way, people love mirroring successful people. So I understand exactly what you're saying. It takes conscious effort sometimes for me as a white guy to not automatically, yo, yo, blood. Yeah, it's because I've been trained that way. It's what I grew up with Huggy Bear. But it also shows you what error you came up in because I'm guilty of it too. Because when I get ready to use slang, I go back to the programming of my teenage and young 20 years for something.

58:05 Some things you pick up on. I know, but I'm just saying, you know, you just said you made very clear, like, hey, man, don't do that. But you know what? I do it to my daughter. I'll be like, no, no cap. And she just gives me that look like, and for people who don't know about caps, like, no, putting, well, like, don't, don't, uh, don't sugarcoat it. Yeah, no, no, no, don't exaggerate. You know what I'm saying? Cap is like when you exaggerate or kind of lie about something. Okay, I learned something. All right. So it's not even, it's generational well as racial. And women, like you hear dudes say it to women and women say it to men.

58:48 I often have this weird thought. And I don't want to make this a 30-hour show, but I got to. No. I often have this weird thought that one day I'll meet you. I've never even seen you. One day I'll meet you. And I have this really awkward. awkward feeling. Like, okay, here's how I envision it. I come to your house. I'm like, hey, Mo. And I think, and I know that your wife and your kids are going to be looking at me. I'm going to be so fucking conscious of myself as this white dude who works with daddy. It's, it's the weirdest thing. Like, how will I say hi to Mo? Does that make any sense? It's, it's just a thing that pops into my head sometimes. So, my question is: is that your natural conditioning, or is that like you're just the cultural

59:33 temperature that we're at now? That you don't want to be offensive, but you don't want to be neglectful either. I think that's the weird place it puts people in. Well, it is with you. If it's just me and you, I know, I know, and I'm not worried at all. It's like, it's like, oh, how will I be perceived? And the reason why this conversation is so fascinating. This is what happens with women. The same thing. It's like, how do I communicate with them? I'm being really honest here. I mean, and it's, and it's, it's weird for it to come out of my mouth because you're my friend and I don't, and your culture background, nothing matters to me, but it's there. It's there.

1:00:16 Yeah, but we talk about it all the time. So it's not, I mean, it's not like it's like off-putting or anything, but that what I'm saying is the same way just since we're being you want to get that door? I was thinking about it. Yeah. All right. Hold on a second. Let me close it now. That's even better. All right. All right. So just us now. The same way you said about coming to my house and what you say, it's the same thing with me. I'm sure with a lot of black people to interact with white people on a constant basis. It's like, what's the fine pitch? Because, or what's the right tone?

1:00:59 Right. The reason why I say that is, and this is the double consciousness of the black person. It's like, how will I be perceived? And how do I stay true to myself? And when I come here, I don't look at it that I'm talking to you as a white person. I come here that I'm talking to somebody with decades of broadcasting experience. So I need to step my game up to be able to hang with you on saying on your level of broadcasting. But there's a subconscious thought of, well, I don't want to sound too white either.

1:01:38 So it's the same thing. But it's weird. It's so weird because growing up, but not even growing up in the 90s in New Jersey, I go down to South Jersey a lot. And this is, you know, the kind of the rock scene to be in the studios. And maybe it was just a New Jersey thing, but everybody was spoken to based upon how they look. They weren't treated any differently. Everyone was treated exactly the same, but we have Ray the Cripple. Hey, Ray, cripple, you know, like, go, go, go get us some lunch. And you have, hey, Sunil, yo, Dothead. He was Indian, you know, and then it would be like, hey, you know, Cracker.

1:02:19 And for some reason, when it wasn't restricted, you could just say these things to each other, it normalized everything. Let me just, and I'm going to start every sentence by pointing out that I see you're different than me. And then nothing is different after that. And then we've lost that. We can't do that anymore. And I'll be honest with you when we're talking about A V A A V E Black people have the white person voice. Right. It's like when you go up at Octave and you're like, oh, yeah, yeah, that's great. Yeah. That'd be great. We should do a whole show reversing it. So it's not, like I said, it's human. But the thing is, when you do it, when you go into it calculated, and just to bring it back to what we're talking about now, of course, of course.

1:03:05 With Maxine Waters, this was very calculated because I'm going to point out what era Maxine comes from and some of the tales that made it be presented that it was pandering. And one of the great examples of pandering is the hot sauce in the purse with Hillary Clinton. It's like, so this is it. This is the equivalent of that, but between two black women. So I think we left off with. Hold on, hold on. I can't. I can't start anything without. Please, yes. Can't start the clips without the door open. Yeah. Okay. All right. So we got our booties to the poll.

1:03:42 All right. So now we're going to, when we talk about WAP, I'm not speaking about the biological part per se. And it was this book that came out in the mid-1990s. And I remember my parents. parents having it. It's by Don Spears, and it was called In Search a Good Pussy. Welcome to Producer Profile. I'm Stella Winston. And I'm Jim Hill. Jim Hill, we have a guest author today, and he has written two books. His first book has a very provocative title. So get ready for it. Okay. Okay. The name of the book is In Search of Good Pussy. Living Without Love.

1:04:25 And his more recent book is called Playing for Keeps. And his name is Don Spears. Welcome to Producer Profile. I'm glad to be here. Yes. Glad to have you here. Me too. Of course, you know. My brother. Whoa. Okay. You can get me right. Get you ready. Now, I read through some of the book, and I must say that I brought the book down with me to my friend's house in Virginia, and she put it on her coffee table, and she had a party. And needless to say, like everyone that came to the party picked up your book because of the provocative title.

1:05:05 But one of the things that we found out is really a metaphor. What is it a metaphor for? It's a metaphor for euphoria. If I said in search of euphoria, in search of happiness, nobody thinks about it twice. But the minute they see good pussy, everybody's curious. And I was trying to get everybody to focus on exactly what a feeling of euphoria was like that most people can identify with sex. So needless to say, I killed two birds with one stone. Oh, this is a new entrant into my library. This is John Spears. And saying this, this book was laying around my house as a young teenage boy.

1:05:45 I was quite disappointing in the content of it at the time because I was like, does this not come with like a treasure map or something like that? I was like, Don, where's that? At least some illustrations or something. Right. It was like, man, this is boring. But I'll say this. It's like when I saw my parents, what color is your parachute? I was very disappointed. It was not about jumping out of airplanes. Right. So what Don was, he was a visionary because he, and I keep saying this, but we're going to address some of the topics that he addressed in that book.

1:06:23 But some of the talking points that you have coming out of the relationships and the conditions between men and women, he was spot on in the mid-90s. And like I said, we'll talk more about that. But what I want to do is when we refer to WAP, I want you to think about it as a stock and a company that sells euphoria and the value being manipulated by shareholders or brokers. And Maxine Water is one of those brokers. Does that make sense? Because I don't want to make it vulgar. I want to keep it class, like I said before, and I don't want to make it vulgar. No, gotcha. So WAP is

1:07:06 like a pot company stock which gets manipulated a lot, but the product brings you euphoria and you're a shareholder. Is that it? Is that where we are? Right. But then you also could spend it, so it's like a currency too. So, I mean, just my point is Bitcoin. Okay, I got you. It could be, but I mean, well, not necessarily. It would be the paper currency. Yeah. Because it's something that you see. Yeah, you can actually use it. Could be comati or fiat, but we'll get there. So let's get. So what we always do, we have to go back to the source material of the conversation between Meg DeStallion and Maxine Waters.

1:07:47 We don't want to just do sound clips so we can hear the conversation in context. That would be number 15. I was moved by your article. And I was so pleased that you wrote the article for a lot of reasons. Oftentimes, particularly happens with entertainers, they put you in a box and somehow they don't see you as a person who has a life that includes family, that includes interactions, decisions that you have to make that has nothing to do with your performance. And so they don't see you as thinking about the plight, for example, of black women or civil rights or any of these issues.

1:08:31 So that's why I was very pleased that you wrote it. And so when we saw it, we thought, wow, this is great. And I'm so pleased. Let's write her. Let's let her know that we think that she's doing a great thing and has done a great thing. And I want you to know that when you speak of yourself and you say maybe people think you're being too controversial. controversial, etc., etc. Pay that no attention. There's some people who don't have courage and don't have confidence, they don't understand it when they see it in other people. So, uh, you should be proud of that. You should be proud of who you are, and I know you are.

1:09:12 And not only your talent, but your person. What do you care about? And what is it that you're doing that is not only good for you, but it's good for others. So, thank you very much. And I'm pleased to be with you. All right, question. Now, she was featured in Harper's Bazaar. Did she write? I don't think she write her own article. No, actually, they wrote a letter to Maxine Waters wrote a letter to Meg The Stallion. And it's picked up by this third party. It was like, you know what? This would make a great segment if we get them down, get them together

1:09:50 in a conversation. And we'll reveal this third party. So stay tuned to the next show because that is a very fascinating person that's in that room with them. That's the third person. That's the third person. And that's like the broker. It's like you have the seller. And you have the buyer. And then you have the broker that's brokering these deals between these two parties. And what Maxine Waters is basically telling Mel DeStallion: don't feel any shame. Don't worry about people with low confidence. You know, have your female audacity or your high confidence.

1:10:28 Now, we should probably mention, although it may come up later, that Megan DeStallion, of course, it's really Cardi B's song, but Megan Thee Stallion, she this was her moment to be pushed to the forefront since Cardi B couldn't communicate any messages. She was failing. That's exactly right. And what excellent point? And you, you took me, you alley it up and I'm open or home. All right. This is the phasing out of Cardi B. Cardi B what you have to have is a balance of being able to, as you said, communicate the message and be seen as intelligent, but at the same time, be able to harness your sexual powers to cast a spell.

1:11:11 And Meg the Stallion is being groomed in that way to be a perfect example of this, because they wanted to be Cardi B, but she's too cartoonish. And it just doesn't work. So, but I just, like I said, I found this knowing Maxine's age, excuse me, Reverend Waters' age and what school she comes from is a thing called modesty. My grandmother would probably be about the same, she'll still live and be about the same age as Maxine Waters. And you will hear words like hussy, fast ass, what she says, trumpet, tramp.

1:11:52 You know what I'm saying? And it was like, I would say hussy would be the one you'd hear the most. Oh, the hussy. Oh, you got the hussy. Oh, you, you. Oh, you're badass. You know, that kind of bad, bad news. And when I see a woman sitting up here congratulating another woman on perpetuating stereotypes that black women have worked so hard to shake, even herself. And I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but this leads to men in certain areas in the office place, whatever else, saying lewd jokes or maybe you're saying approach you in a certain way. It's like, oh, well, you're black and Megan Thee Stallion's black and she likes to twerk.

1:12:36 Do you like to twerk to London? You know what I'm saying? That kind of thing. It's like, why would you think that? And it's like, well, every other person I see on television likes to twerk. It looks like you. So why wouldn't you? And that's why I think this is very dangerous for her to peddle in this kind of, I'm going to call it what it is, smut. It's smut pedaling. And this is not to shame women. If you're a sex worker and that's what you do and that's your choice and you made that choice an adult, more power to you. My issue is the effects that it has on developing minds. The same way I would say about drugs. And as you said, with porn, it's the same thing. I have no problem.

1:13:15 If you're an adult, male or female, and you like the watch pornography, hell, if you make it, I mean, that's your choice. I'd even add cable news to that list at this point, Mo as bad things for you, the development of a young mind. Well, it's porn. I mean, porn is porn. You're right. We have, we have sexual porn and news porn and all kinds of stuff. Well, we covered a snuff film on the last show. That's what that's what that nine-minute video was. That's how the news played. That's not the news portrayed it as you know, as a snuff film. to elicit certain feelings and they used it the same way that Maxine Waters is trying to

1:13:59 leverage in the stallion. In fact, if faces of death was a thing today, it would be in faces of death. Exactly. Exactly. So I just want to point that out because it troubles me. And the reason why I have a vested interest is I have three daughters, one being 17 years old. I don't want her to be looked at as some kind of sexual object. And I don't want her to be thinking it's okay when you hear a sitting person in Congress, Congresswoman, saying it's okay to

1:14:40 portray yourself in that way. I can't see her telling her granddaughters this. I can't see. I mean, I may be wrong, but I don't see it. But let's go ahead and get into number 16. Wonderful. Thank you so much. That sort of brings me to my next question, which is: what do you, what's the biggest lesson you hope that young black women can sort of learn from this current moment that we're in? Well, you know, I think that because black women have not been respected in ways that will help them to feel good about themselves and they looked to others and particularly men in order to get approval, then, you know, we need to say to black women, first of all,

1:15:31 concentrate on who you are and what you think and what you care about. And approval does not always have to come from others. Other people's opinions do not make you. And the opinion of men do not determine who you are. And so we want women to have the kind of confidence that we're talking about today that you have, Megan. And so I think if there's anything that we can say to other Black women is that get grounded. Get grounded. You have an opinion and you're thinking and you're taking charge of your life rather than have everybody else telling you what you can do, what you should do, what you shouldn't do.

1:16:12 And so building confidence is the most important lesson that we can share. Wonderful. So happy to be here. Yeah, you know, the more I hear of this, the more I'm thinking. Look, Maxine Waters is 82 years old. She didn't see this video. She was given, she was, she's being directed at this point. I have a hard time believing she really knows how destructive it is what she's doing. I just and that's even far even more dangerous because now she's a commodity. Yes. Yes, no, totally. This woman has not seen it. She has not seen it. She really doesn't know. It's been kept from her somehow. You can tell. And then I call BS on her then saying you take control of your life, you make your own decisions.

1:16:56 But if that's if the scenario paints it like you're painting it, plays out like you're painting it, then she doesn't have any control of herself. And then she's telling a third party, which doesn't have control over herself. Let's be clear here. That's Meg DeStallion is a commodity. Meg the Stallion is a commodity to the asset to the record industry and maybe even a larger entity. She doesn't get to choose what she wants to do and what she wants to say and what she gets to wear and the songs that she sings. And that's bull crap. There's study groups and advertising agencies and business executives, record executives that pick her every move.

1:17:39 So Maxine is, but in the same note, like I said, if it plays out like you're painting it, which I would probably lean towards what you're saying more than anything else, then somebody is in Maxine Waters' ear telling her and coaching her. So you have the coach coaching the coach. And it's like, who is the people behind these two? Yes. Yes. Who is the people behind these two? Well, you had to wait and see. Oh, okay. All right. Is that in part two next week after the cliff? Yes. Yes, it is. So going back to you brought up the point, fiat money. And

1:18:21 I want to be very careful to say that WAP could either be commodity money or fiat money. And we're going to get into the definition of those two things. And where else better to learn if WAP is commodity money or fiat money than Khan Academy? Let's take a look at a United States $1 bill. What is it that gives this thing value? You can give it to people and get back food that you can eat or things. that you can use and things of hard value. But what is it about this little piece of paper that makes it valuable? Or I guess it's not paper, is it? It's cotton, something like that, right? But the question stands, right? Like, what makes this flimsy little thing that doesn't seem to have any use in its own right valuable?

1:19:00 Well, one kind of interesting exercise is to step back in time a little bit and take a look at what the very, very first United States dollars looked like. So I have here one of the very first that was printed, and let's zoom in on it and kind of read some of the words associated with it. So if we zoom in, let's just say towards the very top here, notice that it says silver certificate, silver certificate up here at the top. So what does that mean? Well, if we zoom out a little bit, it says, it says that this certifies that there has been deposited in the treasury of the United States of America. And then the sentence kind of continues in an awkward way below. One silver dollar payable to the bearer on demand.

1:19:44 So what that means, what this dollar originally represented, was the fact that you were going to be able to turn in this bill for a silver dollar. This piece of paper, in theory, could be turned in to the United States Treasury, which guaranteed that it had in its deposits a silver dollar, an actual piece of silver. And I'll show what one of those looked like in just a moment, that it would return to you for this bill. So in a sense, what gave it value was this guarantee that you could turn it into silver if you wanted. Yeah, good times. So that's commodity money. And what I would say is, just from my opinion,

1:20:22 WAP in its proper state is a commodity. Now, I just want to make sure we get some terms straight, and I'm fine with you calling it that. But when you talk about fiat specifically, it's not commodity money. But when you talk about it. No, no, no. I'm just opposing that two different things. Okay. I'm not conflating the two. Yeah. So that's, we're just talking about commodity money here. Okay. Gotcha. Something that's backed. And the backing of WAP is children scarcity because silver being scarce is why it holds value, right? You can't find it anywhere.

1:21:02 So the less that's on the market or more it's consumed, the value goes up in it, right? So that's what I'm saying. The traditional expectation of WAP or the proper state of WAP is a commodity because it can deliver dividends to you called children. Okay, I'm with you. That's why men would invest in it. It's like, you know what? Yes, okay. I would share half my food with you and my share food with you because you're going to pay off dividends, you know what I'm saying, down the line. Now we get to fiat money. And this word fiat kind of means a decree or a declaration. So it's like the United States government has declared that this is money. And just by declaring that it's money, presumably that gives its value.

1:21:46 So it kind of feels much more hollow in comparison to, you know, commodity money or commodity-backed money. But there's a couple, a couple hard things backing this up. One of them, if we kind of zoom in on some of the words here, Vigo, you see that it says, this note is legal tender. So here I'll write that down. This note is legal tender for all debts, public and private. And I talked about the idea of legal tender in the last video and how that actually gives a little bit of clout to this being valuable as long as you trust that the government will enforce its laws as it claims that it will. But for the most part, what makes this stuff valuable is the fact that other people trust it, right?

1:22:25 The reason that you value having a dollar bill is because you know you can give it to most people and they are willing to trade you valuable things for it. And at the end of the day, that's what was making silver dollars or these $10,000 gold notes valuable because almost no one would actually trade it in for the silver because why would you? It's just as good and it's a little bit more convenient to just trade around the bill itself. So once that's actually in the psychology of a society and once everyone kind of is used to the idea of trading around this paper representative money in order to be able to get things of value, it's not actually a huge leap to just have the paper that you're trading around as long as everyone else trusts it. And it still serves those functions of money that I talked about in previous videos. It's a medium of exchange and you can store this for value, right?

1:23:11 Okay. I like this a lot. I like this direction, Mo. This is very good. And I know a lot about the history of money, but the thing I'll just add to this, I'll just add one thing. It's total mind control. Yes, the point is the point. I know, I know. That's what I'm just saying. I got you. It's mind control. And that's the point of why where they're headed with WAP is to make it fiat currency. currency. They say it's worth something because I said it's worth something. It's not backed by anything because if I invest in it, it's not going to deliver anything to me. You know what I'm saying? It's only valuable as the market said it is. It's not like it's backed by anything.

1:23:55 So that's why they need to have this audacity or this high confidence. These are words that we say in stocks and now in cryptocurrency all the time. It's like, what's the confidence in it? That's what makes it whole value. Here's an analogy for you: the U.S. dollar, while backed by no sound money, no sound commodity, is backed by one thing that the entire world believes in. And that is the humongous military apparatus that says, if you don't believe in our dollar, we're going to F you up. And it seems like this type of fiat that is being created has a similar backing. Like, oh, you don't believe in it? We're going to cancel you. We're going to F you up.

1:24:38 Can I get a cancel code? I mean, cancel Canada for that. Excellent. All right. You nailed it right on the head. And that's the thing: is that if you got to have confidence in it, if you don't have confidence in it, then we'll do what, like they did Gaddafi. We'll drag you out. You're going to do what? You're going to sell your oil in what? You're going to do a gold TR what? That's right. This is what's happening now that it's this currency world going on. And it's really between women. They take it out on men because kind of like men are setting the value of we're cool either way.

1:25:19 It's like, I mean, whatever. I mean, if you want to, you know, treat it like fiat, then it's, no, it's an exchange currency. All right, I just got to say, since our last show, since our last show, I've been watching The Wire. You know, it's like I take my homework seriously. You know, you're doing stuff for the show. I'm doing stuff for the show. And wow. And of course, I had never seen The Wire before. I started with season one. I'm now into season two. I watch this with very different eyes than I would have when the series first came out in 2002, 2003. But the creation of fiat women is all over this thing. It's all over this thing. It's all over it. And that's 15, 16, 17 years ago.

1:26:03 And now enter stonks. So we got to talk about stonks for a minute. I'm going to explain. I'm having what it explains kind of what it is, but this is how young females are treating their stock. They're treating it as in it's going to go up because it's going to go up. It's like the high confidence in the fiat version of it. And it's, I can sexualize myself in the market. I can go to a brokerage and put my stock on the market and it'll gain value. And it's the same kind of mentality behind stonks. Stonks, stonks, stonks. So you want to invest your money? Then you might want to think about investing in stonks.

1:26:46 Stonks are one of the hottest investments in the world right now. You've probably heard everyone talking about stonks. So how do you get in on the fun? Well, you just take your money, spend it at a stonk exchange through a stonk broker. Easy. You'll be a millionaire in no time. Stonks, stonks, stonks. Buy them now. And you're laughing. And that was a joke. I mean, kind of like a joke of description of stonks, but that's kind of the message to these young girls. Monetize it and you'll be a millionaire overnight on OnlyFans. And it's kind of like TikTok is the grooming platform before they jump off into OnlyFans.

1:27:30 And the reason why I say that is enter bad baby. Hey, Danielle, how are you? How do you feel? Hey, a lot of people are saying OnlyFans should be changed to 21 and older only. I mean, you're 18. You're on OnlyFans. What do you think? I think Eddie Bitchy says that in magic, they didn't make as much money as me. Really? That's obvious. Like, how could you be mad that someone younger? That's like seeing somebody, that's like seeing a banker make millions and millions of dollars and saying, oh, no, banking should be changed. You can't bank unless you're 21 and older just because they're young. Like, what's up if I was 21? You're going to say that it should be 25?

1:28:12 And if I'm 25, you're going to be 30? They're saying it's like children grooming. What do you mean? No, listen, I'm not groomed by nobody. I make all my own decisions and I had been since I was very young. So you were a little hesitant to post, you know, everything. I just, you know what? At this point, I'm here. How do you give the people what they want on your OnlyFans without giving them the whole thing? You gotta go check it out to see. Let me ask you one last thing. People are saying that it's cheating. If you're married, a married man or married woman, and you're subscribing to someone on OnlyFans, that's cheating.

1:28:52 I mean, I wouldn't. Mom, my boyfriend wouldn't do that. So I don't know what y'all boyfriends doing. Y'all need to take that up with them. Wouldn't you be pissed if your boyfriend was subscribing to another girl? He wouldn't. He wouldn't. He wouldn't. He would never do it. But what is that considered? Would you consider that cheating? I wouldn't date nobody that would do that. So I wouldn't know what to say right there because I wouldn't do it. Yeah. That's fucking cheating. It's cheating. Loaded. Loaded. It's so much there. So we have Bad Baby. She made a million dollars her first week on OnlyFans because people were waiting for her to turn 18 and do it.

1:29:34 And that's why they say it's grooming, which I agree is grooming. She's another one that said, I'll make my own decision. I have no you what? No, you haven't. She has been steered by record companies for a very long time since she showed up on Dr. Phil. Now, I know you may not know her name here, but this is the Catch Me Outside girl from Dr. Phil. I don't know if you're familiar with that or not. No, I'm not. The Catch Me Outside girl. I know Dr. Philip, of course. So she's allegedly a white girl and she uses AAVE and she kind of carries herself like a stereotypical

1:30:16 ratchet woman. And what she does here is, like I said, she built up this anticipation for her to turn 18 to do this. And it's like I said, this is the grooming. This is the junk. That's a professional marketer who did their business there. Yes, that's very professional. And the other thing is, so now she's saying the same thing the stonks being. That's why I brought the stonks in. Is she people were saying, well, you need to be 21 to be on OnlyFans, not 18. That's the same thing the stonks investors are saying. The older guys don't want us to make any money.

1:30:56 You know, we want to make money, you know what I'm saying, on these short squeezes and things like that. And it's the same thing over here. And I think this points to a more of a culture of get quick and get rich quick. It's not just, like I said, it's not only women. It's the same mentality with women and men of the generation that is getting money and getting paid for nothing. But this is this is, you know, we talk a lot about they and them, but this is a the mechanism, technology. I mean, I've been in the meetings. I know that there's meetings about, look, this is fantastic. We got all these chicks and they're paying thousands of dollars, people to see them, OnlyFans. You know, we need to find more, we need to recruit more. Let's go out there.

1:31:41 So I'm sure there's nefarious elements that intersect with that, of course, but it is just an automatic mechanism by the douchebags that run these websites. They don't care whether it's female porn or political porn or war porn or as long as it's porn. And so they're a big part of this without necessarily having an agenda other than profit. Well, I would say an agenda, nothing other than engagement. And fair enough. Fair enough. Yeah, fair enough. It doesn't matter which side you're on.

1:32:17 And this is where my, in the last time since we talked, my not my knot has been rocked or my head has just been like a mind blown by this discovery of warfare, worldview warfare. And it's something I'm going to be bringing to the show in the near future, but it's by a talented young man had the privilege of having a conversation with. He's wrote a seven year, took him seven years to write this book. It's basically, it doesn't matter which side you're on, as long as you're engaged, as long as they have you either on the Ben Shapiro and the Candice Owens side or the Maxine Waters and the

1:32:58 Megan Astallion side, as long as you're engaged, they're winning. Correct. Engagement equals either more data to sell or more advertising to sell or more anger and division to sell to others on the same platform. And it's bigger than that. If you're engaged, then you're a binary thinker. And that's what really frustrates people about us because we're not binary thinkers. We use nuance and being objective to look at situations. It's not like I'm on team this and you're on team that, that kind of thing. It's okay, let's look at the details. And that's that doesn't work well because what they need to program society is ones and zeros.

1:33:42 See that? It's a program. We're in a major program of ones, and each person is a one or a zero in the programming of society. And we talked about this early on in the first 10 episodes: nudging how and technology, you know, credit, credit score. We have a little disagreement on that, but credit score apps that nudge you into certain behaviors, right down to what videos you watch on Netflix, all a part of it. Yes. And that's the whole point right there. And all complicit too, I would say. Yeah. And like I said, with Bad Baby, just one thing I want to point out to her, she was linked with NBA Youngboy, and that's the perfect match of the slut and sluts and studs that Tom Burrell alluded to before.

1:34:28 And she's covered with butterfly tattoos. So I mean, you do with that. You do with that what you will. And she came on the scene with Dr. Phil. So this is just a bunch of smoke there. Dr. Phil, a fine Oprah outlet. Let's just, let's just tie the knot there. Yeah. Thank you. Ooped it on hold on there for me. So we're going to go back to Maybe Stallion and Maxine Waters conversation in part three. How do you build community with other black women? You know, what I'm seeing right now between the two of you is like, it's like a, it's like an example of how you build community, which is showing words of affirmation for another person, saying, I see you when I see you.

1:35:09 So I'm just wondering how you build those sorts of communities, what sort of actions you do to build community with other black women. First of all, we have to take people where they are. And we have to be honest with people about whom we are. And we have to be honest in ways that will help people to open up and be honest with you. And so if we put ourselves high on a pedestal somewhere and we're talking about, I'm your role model and you got to do this and you got to act this way and you got to dress this way and you should be doing this, et cetera. First of all, we're not being honest. And secondly, we have people who address issues in different ways.

1:35:52 We have people certainly who have, you know, different thoughts, things that we don't even think about or know about. And we have people who, you know, don't accept, you know, what is considered the tradition. And we have to respect that. And we have to take people where they are. And when we approach people, it is not trying to have them believe that somehow you are more pure, you are more knowledgeable, you are more anything. Accept people where they are and they'll accept you where you are. So building community. What they're trying to do is bury the hatchet between the, and I use these words just not in a demeaning way, but the ratchet, sexually free, sexualized women with the thinkers

1:36:46 and the affluent women. And that's what they're trying to do. And it's specifically black women because there is contention between the educated and the uneducated. Is this where the Gucci and the Chanel fits in? Well, that ties the bond. Both sides appreciate those things. But what I'm saying is at one time it was I went to school, so I'm not of that crowd. Or if I'm in that crowd, these women look down on me.

1:37:25 And it's what's happening when black men pulled away more and more when you have it go from 10% to 20%, being more politically free-minded, either where they're not voting or they're voting for the opposite party that they're normally expected to vote for. These political groups need to galvanize their ranks. So it's like, sisters, we got to band together. You know, we're losing black men over here. You know, we got to figure out how to bring the women that get them off the poll and get them in the poll.

1:38:04 And that's what you saw, the strollers stroll into the poll. And that's really who's pulling the strings here are the strollers. And that's who Maxine Waters represents. They will look that typically look down at their nose at these women, but they realize the power that they have now, the platform that they have, and also the need to bring them into the fold because of their shrinking. numbers of overall black. And what this really points to is, I've been saying a lot of times that black women are their own different demographic. Really, they have their own culture. They've developed their own culture separate from black men. So, and they're talking about build community. And notice, it's like,

1:38:49 how do we build community with black women? Now, what I'm going to do is we're going to go back to show 53 and listen. And Maxine Wall was saying, yo, we need to meet people where they are and celebrate difference in thinking. Well, this is Maxine Water on black male Trump voters. They think somehow, if they are going to support Trump, that they're going to realize some big sums of money that's going to come to them through some damn proposals that they're going to present and they're going to be taken care of and they're going to be able to manage all of this money. They are crazy. They're not going to get a dime from these people.

1:39:28 They don't even know how to put together the right kind of proposals to even be considered in this way that government works and how you have to get through the House and the Senate and all of these committees, even in order to get to the president to sign something. And he's not going to sign a darn thing for them. He's a racist. He does not have any appreciation for black people and black women in particular. He's talked about it so bad. He talked about John Lewis so bad. He talked about coming so bad. He has no respect for us. He's not doing anything for us. And for those black young men who think somehow they can align themselves with Trump, Trump, not only make terribly

1:40:12 mistaken, any of them showing their face, I will never ever forgive them for undermining the possibility to help their own people and their own communities. It is absolutely unconscionable. It is shameful. Wow. I think the first part of that was the most offensive to me, where she's saying, they don't even know how to put together a proposal. They don't know how it works in government. Stupid black man. Exactly. Where this meeting meet them where they are. And I'm sure you don't have the same standard for these maybe politically inexperienced women.

1:40:51 I'm sure they don't know how to put bills together and things of that nature. And the weird part is this was in response partly to what Ice Cube did and what he was trying to do. And the thing is, she was supportive of Ice Cube when he was putting degradation and gangster rap forward in the 90s. She was for that. But it's like, you can't have independent thinking. Oh, no, no, no. All that understanding and meeting people where they're at goes right out the window. To what? To vote for somebody that's equally as bad, if not worse,

1:41:28 than the option. So, of course, what we're missing is a lone black man standing up and saying, Auntie, Maxine, you're full of crap. You don't hear that anywhere. Well, no, you hear it. It's just there's not popularized on mainstream media. Of course not, no. They can't allow that to happen. So now we got to look at culture. And we have to really look at the purpose of culture. And we're going to get into the difference between a cult and culture because I'm sure people ask what's the difference and why do you look at one group is one way and one is the other. So we're going to go to Dr. Amos Wilson and he's going to talk about culture and problem solving.

1:42:09 Looking at the question, what is culture? Horton and Hunt said from life, from their life experiences, a group develops a set of rules and procedures for meeting their needs. The set of rules and procedures together with a supporting set of ideas and values is called a culture to a great extent. You see, a culture involves a set of rules and a procedure for meeting needs. And this is the thing we have to keep in mind. You don't have a culture just to have a culture. And you don't claim a culture just because it's a culture or just because it's African.

1:42:52 The ultimate thing that culture must do is solve problems. That's why people evolve a culture. That's why a culture comes into existence as a way of what? Solving problems and meeting needs. That's why, at a certain point, when a culture no longer meets the needs of a people or solves the problem confronted. confronting a people, that culture must be transformed. Am I just now realizing that the word cult comes from culture?

1:43:36 Are you? But it's a difference. There is a difference. Yes, I'm just kind of, that just kind of hit me with that clip. Yeah, but there is a key difference because culture solves problems. That's the whole purpose. We work together in a culture to solve common problems. And the thing about the reason why I say this is we called him a COVID before, or even now I call them the cult of woke. It doesn't solve any problems. It's just to say that I'm part of a group to say that I'm part of a group. When you ask, well, what is twerking and being sexually promiscuous and

1:44:18 participating and degrading behavior? How does that forward the culture? And that's not me. That's black men as a whole and that's men as a whole and saying, how is this productive? It's not, especially when you talk about the main goal of humans is to afford the human race to multiply. It's counterproductive because you have that same time, you're taking viable candidates out of the mother pool and you're flipping them from a commodity money or a commodity to fiat. Yes. It's a classic pump and dump.

1:45:08 It's fitting in more ways than one. I know. That's right. Since we're going to go there, the market is saturated with WAP. So it's like when you have what, because let's just talk about it in the money terms. What's the whole appeal to crypto now? Where if you keep pumping, printing fiat money, fiat, fiat, fiat, fiat, it makes the val, yes, it makes the value go down. So you have to spend, you know, $10 where you used to have to spend $5. And this also simultaneously explains for people, for musicians who don't understand it. Well, how come there's only a couple of, only a couple of hits? There's only a couple.

1:45:51 There's only a couple of big hits. Why can't there be more? Why can't there be more hits selling? Well, because you don't, I mean, that's, that dilutes the pool. So that works in the favor of the people that control the spigot. Exactly. They want to keep that tight. They want to totally control that flow. Oh, I do like this analogy, Mo. This is very nice. So what we had, like I said, what we have now is that the value of this commodity or currency, whatever you want to call it, of WAP, is so low that they have to do so much.

1:46:30 You got to spend it. Yeah, you got to flood the zone. That's why you see pornography going into a more violent, more, it's not even sexual anymore. It's, it's, I mean, it's pretty much degrading. And you saw that with 50 Shades of Gray that kind of ushered in. And I'm not condemning anybody wherever you're into, but we got to realize adults only are not watching this. Adults only were not listening to rap music. And like I said, our generation went through this as well with rap music itself. Little boys walked past the magazine out, me being one of them, in the grocery store. And it's like that shapes your, oh, that's what a female body looks like.

1:47:15 Oh, that's what is expected. And it's like now it's like you have the fiat is being printed at such a high rate. And then you're bringing your, the way you're flooding is you're introducing more and more stocks into the market because it's like, oh, you're 15, 16 years old. Go for it. Do your thing, you know? And it's like, well, or at 18, like they did with Bad Barbie. Now, you know, it's so abundant that really guys don't even worry about sex anymore. They can get it. And the ones that can't get it are so tortured by it that you have people like the shooter in Georgia.

1:47:54 The internet truly must be a dream for people who like to use this type of control. And you can turn these spigots on. Listen, hey, you know what? We got a little bit too much porn out there. All right, let's demonetize Pornhub. Let's take away their credit card processing. Okay, good. All right, guys, we got the supply down a little bit. It's more popular. powerful now. Just think about what you can do if you view it in that way. And what they did was I always go back to Uber example. What they did was surge pricing. That, and then they also turned being a porn star into gig work. It's like, we don't need stars and starlits anymore.

1:48:38 It's like you can, you know, you got some free hours. You said hop on your computer, do a couple cams and make some quick, quick cash. And it's like, now you don't even have, you know, Starlits anymore, those kind of things. And so, yeah, it did completely. I want to say this: the rap market is at an all-time low, and it's because there's no scarcity. No, yeah, no scarcity. And just an and just an abundance of inflows. They can, oh, man. Well, that's the same thing they do with diamonds, right?

1:49:16 Diamonds are abundant. We all know, but diamonds are abundant. It's just that they have a strong handle on how many come to the market each year. It's even crazier that now they've mind-controlled the diamond market, the next version of diamond purchasers, into believing that it's better to have laboratory-created diamonds because they're much more ethical. So now they are literally selling cubic zirconia as diamonds at diamond prices. They can just shut the mines. They don't need it anymore. People are going to be. It's like, here's this paper diamond, just like the dollar. Well, so if you take that analogy and go for it with it, when you have

1:49:59 Androids, sex androids, it'll be the same thing. Just like what Uber is going to do with the driverless cars. We only need the drivers for a short period of time in our business model. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Although I see the sex robots coming before the driverless car, to be quite honest. And what I mean by sex robot is I'm not going to say, I mean, I don't ever think it'll get like iRobot, or at least in our lifetime and maybe even our children's lifetime. No, it's VR saying that. It's baby. VR, USB devices. Yeah, of course. The experience. Yeah. So I didn't want to go too far from a tangent away from culture and cults. But let's go back into Dr. Amos Part Two. There's nothing sacred about holding a culture in the face of, you know, new events and new changes.

1:50:45 Unless, of course, you're free to do that if you're willing also to accept suicide or death. And you have that right to that choice. You know, I tell people, yeah, we have the right to say, look, we're going to hold on to this culture, even if it kills us. But we should be what? Very conscious of our decision. We should not be holding on to it out of a misunderstanding of what culture is supposed to do. Ultimately, culture is supposed to solve problems and to meet the needs of the people. And a culture then has to be measured against those standards.

1:51:25 And that's what black men are saying to black women specifically. And then overall, it's what men are saying to women specifically is that this culture that you want, they want to have it both ways. And young men are saying, you know what? Well, if you want to take that route, then marriage is off the table. They're going to need to get married. Why? I can order intimacy, like I order a pizza. That takes that need off the table. So why would I continue to participate in this

1:52:04 culture that we have of marriage and children and those things when you're bringing a, when you're not bringing a you're not bringing any commodity to the table that I'm interested in accept the product, right? Your product is false. It has been degraded. Well, the quality has been degraded. So it really puts the separation of black men and women and it's not going to stop there in a hyper warp drive. Because what you're seeing is men are saying, I'm not going to, and I'm not saying, like, this is not only black men, but

1:52:42 you're hearing it more on the black side because our politics is tied to our culture. And that's not, I think that's almost exclusive in our group compared to any other group because you pretty much have a not even split, but it's a split there, whether it's 60, 40, 70, 30 in some groups, you know, it's 50, 50 liberal, conservative kind of splits in other racial groups. groups. Ours is, you know, you see it play out because no, you know what? Your 50 years of feminism hasn't worked. Look at our communities. Look, look at it. No, we're going to take control of our identity. Black men are saying this.

1:53:25 We're going to take control of our identity. We're going to take control of the identity of the women we accept in our culture. And if you don't want to take part in that, that's why I brought up the Malcolm X thing. I'm sure he walked down Harlem streets every day and it was depicted in the movie, like I said, Malcolm X, past streetwalkers, past working girls. He wasn't trying to say them, he saved his energy and resources and his time for people inside his culture, being Muslim women. And it's the same thing now that we're saying, hey, go, go do that. You know, go do the Alex the Crowley thing and do what thou will. And you want to do, you know, participate in all this

1:54:04 sexual liberation. But with that comes, and this is where really the problem I have with it. With that comes increased STDs, unplanned pregnancies. I mean, you listen to the lyrics of WAP, I'll make his pull-out game weak, meaning that I can trap him sexually in the heat of the moment. And then you wonder why your single parent rates at 75% inclining. This is witchcraft, man. Instruction manual, basically. Yeah. So I just point all this out. So now the question is: what is the difference between cult and culture?

1:54:48 And it's answered by Weinstein when he has a discussion with Joe Rogan. When you say Catholicism is a cult, I don't agree because Catholicism historically must have been delivering messages that caused people to correct their thinking in ways that made them collaborate more effectively, that made them better able to find the opportunities in their environment. I'm not advocating that we should sign up for belief systems that are

1:55:25 at odds with our modern environment. But one thing we can say, I believe for sure, is that religions that have stood the test of time did so because their value to the people who believed in them was so great that those that disbelieved were out-competed. Can you play it last 10 seconds one more time? I want people to hear what he actually said there. Here it comes. At odds with our modern environment. But one thing we can say, I believe for sure, is that religions that have stood the test of time did so because their value to the people who believed in them was so great that those that disbelieved were

1:56:10 out-competed. So a culture is only valued by its results. And that's what Dr. Amos Wilson was saying. If your culture is not producing fruits, now you can hang on to it due to vanity reasons, but it's not producing any fruits. And that's what We was saying. Yeah, but Weinstein was saying, a culture, a religion, you could at least say, and I'm not saying, I'm not pushing religion in the sense of that. And what I'm doing is I'm not speaking of Catholicism specifically. In that clip, what I'm saying is these religions, if you want to say, it just said in the black community, when you look at the NOI,

1:56:50 you could say, well, some people may say that's a cult. But when you look at it, it's like, well, they do reform men from prison to be upstanding citizens. Their women are children. They don't have a lot of children out of hardly any out of wedlock. There's ordering structure. Their belief system bears fruits. When you look at the cult of feminism or the culture, if you want to say it's a culture, what fruits has it bared? Well, this is no coincidence that the very same people who promote the fiat, the fiat, fiat the stallion

1:57:35 are the same people who condemn Christianity and supporters of communism or socialism, which the same thing. Socialism, if you want to look at it as a political religion, why is the two knuckleheads have to explain this to the rest of the world on a podcast? It's in the history books. This is not like a new thing. It has gone wrong before. Why us? Oh, God. Because it's teams. We go back to. the binary thinking. It's like, I'm a capitalist. I'm a socialist. Like, well, let's look at some nuance there. And I've been saying this recently elsewhere that I am not 100% against socialism.

1:58:20 I think what we should have is a strong, safe, strong social safety net where people fall off, you know, lose their job or whatever. And it's strong enough where it bounces them back up. It's not what it is. It's not a safety net now. It's a hammock. Well, it's so loose that you fall in it and you fall asleep. It doesn't bounce you back up on the bar. But if we're honest about it, the safety net was always family. The safety net was the church. That's where you also went for medical care. That's where the nuns had the sisters. That safety net became a philanthropy. The United States is incredibly philanthropic people.

1:59:01 Now, of course, sadly, a lot of that philanthropy was also used for control. So although we have great medical care, it's gone completely overboard because choices have been made by early, early, old, old money. And that's why we're in this pharmaceutical nightmare. But now that has been handed over to the government. And that was a reasonably slow process, which just makes it, you know, people still, so you can still have your safety net, just makes it much more inefficient, lots of corruption, less personal. In the long run, I like the old, the old way better, but there's obviously no way back.

1:59:42 But for that. See, I don't believe that because I think if people actually say what they believe instead of what's expected of them, there is a way back, but it takes courage to stand up against being canceled. And the point I'm not saying I support, I know people are going to say, oh, he's a socialist now. No, what I'm saying is that I'll put it like this. If you're going to give a family, let's just say, let's do some quick math, $50,000 over 20 years in welfare, food stamps, those kind of things.

2:00:18 Why don't you shorten it up to five years, the same amount of money and get them back on their feet where they actually can retool small business, those kind of things. It's like, no, you want them stuck in perpetual poverty because there is a link, and I'm going to point that out in the next show, guaranteed, between the feminism mindset and the communist mindset. It's that I expect something for nothing. I expect not to be a prime candidate for marriage, but I want to go out here and do what I will do what I want to do with my body. But at the end of the day, there will be a husband readily available to me when I'm ready for it.

2:01:01 That's the same mindset as communism. It's like, yeah, I want to go spend my money like I want to spend it, but yeah, you're going to send me a stimulus check to bail me out at the end of the day. Same mindset. And they are bedfellows, strange bedfellows, but bedfellows nonetheless. So let's get into this last clip before we go into donations break. I want to lay out this one thing. And Maxine shows her true colors in the sense of there are levels in the women hierarchy.

2:01:39 26. When I think about you and you continuing your education, I said to myself, you know what? She doesn't have to go to nobody's school anymore. She's got it. She's done it. She's got it made. So that is so absolutely commendable that you continue to focus on education when, you know, you don't have to. I mean, you know, people go to school to try to get to where you are. And here you are in this place and you're still, you know, paying attention to the patients. So that's very, very commendable. My mother and my great-grandmother passed away recently, but my grandmother is still alive and she will whoop my butt.

2:02:27 Even me at 25, she will whoop my butt if I dropped out of college. So I'm like, you know what? I'm not only getting a degree for myself, I'm getting it for the women in my family who originally pushed me to go to school anyway. That's why I remember if you had, you know, grandmama, great-grandmama, mama, and all of that, I know what they said. Girl, get educated because they can't take it out of your head. They can't take it away from you. If you get it, that's what they always said, right? Get educated. My grand grandmother will always say, get them papers. But that's great. And again, I commend you for continuing to do that. And now I understand even more why it's important to you. You're not just doing it for yourself.

2:03:09 You're doing it for them. Oh, my goodness. You don't need, you don't need to get smart. You just take the fast track. Shortcut. You hear that? And then she had to backpedal on it because Megan, Meg the Stallion, kind of said, No, my grandma always told me to stay in the books and get those papers. We got to get that. We got to get that Texas girl out of her. She's failing on the mission. We can't have that thinking. Don't say that. Yeah, you can't have that. And Maxine, you know what, though? Maxine realized, like, oh, you're one of us and not one of them. See, that's what she really realized. Like, oh, now I can talk to you.

2:03:48 It's not that you're a sex worker parading around as an intelligent woman. You're an intelligent woman moonlighting or just using the sex to level up. It's a difference. It's like saying that the rumors around Kamala Harris. You know what I'm saying? I don't want to dabble in rumors. It's the same thing. You're an intellectual person, but you use sex as a weapon or as a tool to get where you want to go. So Maxine, like, okay, I get it now. You're not one of them. Damn. Yeah. And, but she, that's interesting.

2:04:29 So not only had she not seen the music video when she got involved in this, she also really just thought that it was just, you know, an MK Ultra model that they put out there and she was just doing her bit. And that, and then I'm talking to a Cardi B. Yeah. Yeah. And then right there, she realizes, oh, okay. And then she even has the audacity to say, you did it for them. That's also not a very positive message. Well, I'll say this. The motivation for some black people is to make their elders and family members proud of them.

2:05:10 Because when they say get those papers, a degree once was seen as like freedom papers, freedom from having to do house labor, you know, washing, cleaning, those kind of things, or being a sexual object, or being a drug dealer. Not even that. Being tied to, I'm just speaking for women specifically, being tied to a man and you have no freedom. Yeah, no, no. So it's like, this is why education was pushed so hard to women in our community because it's like, if you have your money, you can at least, I mean, if you have your papers, you can at least go and make money on your own.

2:05:52 And you're not obligated to be tied to a man or to have to participate into domestic work. Right. And so that's where her grandmother and those people in Maxine age was go to college, get something in your head. And that way, like I said, you won't be the word victim, but more of you won't have to, you're not obligated. You're not obligated to anybody. Right. Unfortunately, culture in general, internet culture, I'll just call it, has degraded everyone. You can go into any grade school today and say, what do you want to be?

2:06:35 And probably a majority of the children will say famous or influencer. Anything but it doesn't matter. And even if, honestly, if they had to study for five years, they'd still want to do that. But that's the goal. The goal is famous. Yeah. And that's understandable because that's what we put value in into this society. Yeah. Is the famous person, we don't celebrate the smart people. We celebrate the famous people. So it's fascinating. And I'll wrap up with this and then we can move on.

2:07:13 But degrees are the same way now. Degrees used to be backed up by something and meant something that you had a skill. You're so right. They went from commodity to fiat as well. It's like, yeah, you got a degree, but it's just clout. It's like, oh, I have a degree. And it's like, and what? What can you do? Well, I have a degree. And it said it had value, you know? It's like, so what skill does, what's your commodity? You know what I'm saying? What can you, when I get, you know what I'm saying? When you exercise that degree, what commodity am I going to get for it? What skill am I going to get for it? It's like, oh, no, no, no, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's fiat. Well, I have a degree in gender studies. Okay. Next customer, please. And now you have a bunch. bunch of people that's in debt and has, you know, saying has

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2:21:25 So now we get into, as we always do, we have to look backwards to get context for what's going on today. And you said Maxine Waller was how old? 82. I just want to get 82. So that's me in 1972. She was quick math, 72, 30, about 20. Is that right? I wasn't playing along. No, she has to be older than that. 72? Yeah. So we,

2:22:03 this is okay. This is probably the worst, the worst thing we've ever done. So we take 2021 minus 1972, 49. She was 49 and 72? Yeah. Wow. I mean, wow. 82. I didn't think she would be that old. 82 is up there, man. No, because I didn't know she was that old. She looks good for age. I got to give it to her. I thought she was in like her 60s or something. All right, Maxine. I hear you, girl. And that's all the compliments you're going to get. They say it don't crack. Hey, hey. She definitely been using lotion. Yeah, so.

2:22:41 Maxine will be the age of the mother in this movie. And the movie I'm referring to is Black Girl, which was made in 1972. That's why the year was important. And what it's going to do is shine a light on what the expectation of education was of somebody Maxine Waters' age in that time. Billie Jean, where do you think you're going? You better come on back in here and watch these dishes. Wash me stuff. You ain't doing nothing. Oh, y'all stop all that foolishness. I'll do myself. Oh, my dear, now you need your ass. You don't need to be washing dishes behind nobody. And Billie Jean ain't doing nothing.

2:23:22 Oh, I don't mind. Besides, Rosie wants Billie Jean to tend to her books on the weekend. What books? That old loud music that's been playing in her room the past two months ain't been coming out no books. Well, maybe she can study with the music on. That's right. Oh, Billie Jean, now you know you didn't quit school. Don't quit school. Billie Jean, you mean you've been leaving here every morning with your books like you was going to school and you ain't been going? She can't say nothing because she knows it's true. My lord, my lord. Well, there ain't no use you throwing things around like you're mad at me. But what are you gonna do when Rosie finds out about it?

2:24:06 Mercy. Y'all get mad when Rosie takes on about Netherso. But maybe the reason why she does it is because now one of y'all don't seem to want to get nothing in your head. Wow. I had never heard of this movie. So to set it up, and I set it up for you. Sorry about that. With the math, I didn't want to be racist. So our math calculation was definitely racist. It had a definite answer to it. I mean, hey, nowadays, you don't have to have a right answer. So anyway, you have Billie Jean, which is maybe a 16-year-old girl, 16, 17.

2:24:46 You have her two sisters. You have her grandmother, Madea. Yes, hello. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Got it. And then you have Rosie, who is her mother. And the dynamic in the house is Billie Jean has a different father than her other two sisters. So she's treated like the black sheep of the family. Her other two sisters gang up on her. And that's what you heard. One of her sisters ratting her out to Madea that she had been, she had dropped out of school and she had been doing other things with her time instead of going to school every day. So you heard what Ma Dia said. She's like, and there's one more character. It's

2:25:31 a girl without a home that Rosie took on. She was raising as her own daughter. And Rosie had, and we're going to get more into this movie, but Rosie had opened her house up for girls that were, you know, kind of like didn't have a place to go. And she would take care of them in the hopes that she could get a girl that would get an education and kind of save her and give her status in the community. So that's the setup. Sorry for the poor setup, but that's what's going on here. Billie Jean's dropped out of school. Her sisters know about it. Madea and Rosie don't. And we see the scene unfold now with, I believe this is when Rosie finds out that Billie Jean has dropped out of school.

2:26:13 I know damn well you ain't accusing me of breaking no record. You better not be accusing me. Y'all got my uniform ready and everything. Oh, she could have had it ready by now, Mama. What is going on in here? Oh, she's starting some old mess about a damn record, mama. Mama, somebody broke the record I've been practicing my dancing with. Girl, I don't want to hear nothing about no darn dancing. I haven't told you that mess you doing ain't nothing. What the devil you keep on caring on about it for? Norma Fay, why don't you and Nuth and make Billie Jean get on with her schoolwork? Then she wouldn't have time to be popping her tail. Ain't no schoolwork to get because Billie Jean doesn't quit.

2:26:53 Billie Jean, you mean to tell me you done quit school? This teacher was picking on me, Mama. What, teacher Billie Jean? And don't stand there and lie to me. I'm not lying, Mama. Then how come you didn't come and tell me about it? Oh, that's up, Master Disney. And I'm going up to that school and find out what it is. She thinks she's grown, Mama. You can't tell her nothing. If I wasn't already halfway late to work, get out of my face. Wow. Okay. So, well, it seemed like the push for education was pretty strong back then. Because that was your only freedom for doing. domestic work or, as she said, popping your tail.

2:27:38 I know. I was like, twerking right there. There it is, 1972's twerk word. Yes. And that was highly frowned upon that, you know, you use your body or sexuality to make money. That lower your standard in society, even under a domestic worker. You know, so it was educated, domestic work, and then, you know, sexual work in these times. So, yeah. So, I mean, I think this was a great piece to go back in time and look at, you know, how a woman Maxine Water age would value education. And you hear how Rosie is invested in it. It's like, you can get something.

2:28:18 Even my dear, get something between your ears, get something in your head so you won't be a victim and have to pop your tail to make money. Yeah, exactly. Like, they can't take it out of your head, I think. They can't take it out of your head. And you know what? That wasn't exclusive to women. That was exclusive to all black children. Like, they can't take it away from you. If you get it in your head, that's something they can't take away from you. And it brought pride to the family. My grandmothers had, they love to say, and you, there's no look on a grandmother's face, especially a black grandmother, to say, baby, my baby went and got through schools, got to schooling, especially in computers.

2:29:01 Oh, he do something to computers. I don't know, he's smart. If they can say that, that's the pinnacle of joy and pride. I'm being sad. Of course, of course. I know. I believe you. But I just see my grandmother's look on her face when she would tell her friends that her grandchild was going to school or going to college for computers. No idea what I was doing. No, I nothing but the fact that, you know, that was a sense of, you know, living through you vicariously. And I think that's what Rosie wanted from Netta to experience that to say, I get to live through this adoptive girl.

2:29:42 And it wasn't legally adoptive. It's just, I'm giving this child a place to live in hopes that I can say I took part in her education. And you have a, they have a lot of this in our community where people live vicariously through the achievement of others, which is natural when you want to see your, you know, your people do well. What was interesting in this particular scenario is that it was pretty much about the same two things that Fiat the Stallion and Reverend Maxine were talking about. Study or popping the tail dancing to the record. I mean, it's the same damn thing.

2:30:22 Oh, it gets deeper. 30. Because she's smelling her piss, that's all. And you're getting your tail out of this house tomorrow and finding yourself a job. She already got a job, mama. Already got one. Where? At the groovy bar and grill down in Second Ward. At the groovy bar and grill. Doing what? Doing that ballet dance. It ain't no ballet dancer. P-A-L-L-E-T is pallet, ain't it? Well, B-A-L-L-E-T gots to be ballot. It ain't even that kind of dancer. Billie Jean, have you started this mess yet? I just worked three nights. Well, how come I'm just not hearing about it? Well, I thought she had done told you about it, Mama.

2:31:03 It's a job. I didn't see no reason for her to be hiding no job unless it's something else she's doing. I was going to tell you, Mama. Well, you were going to tell me. After I got my first week's pay, I was like, you ain't going to see no week at that place, Billie Jean. Like, you know, I don't approve of that. The dancing that's know-how. And shaking your tail at the groovy grill of all places. Hey, you know, I didn't raise none of y'all like that. And the men don't want to be looking at no ballet dancing no how. They want to see some strip tea, baby. Billy Jean, how much is you getting for this mess? $3 a night, mama. $3 a night. But I get tips, mama. Tips. I don't care how many tips you get, Billie Jean.

2:31:46 You better dip your ass over there sometime today and guess what that man owes you. And I just not ever hear of you going to no place like that again unless you got a husband to take you and want. Yeah. So that just provides perspective of using your body to make money versus education. And this just lends more to what I'm saying about Maxine Waters being disingenuous. Just within one lifetime, she gets to the point where she is. Because if you do the math, I mean, she's the same age as Rosie. And

2:32:26 around that same generation. And it was looked down upon that. that you're gonna go into a groovy bar and uh shake your tail, yeah, shake your tail, even and and the thing was Billie Jean was doing ballet dance moves, but it was it wasn't how it was what you were doing, it was how it was perceived. And these girls and these and women, excuse me, uh, in these in the rap industry and things of that nature, think it's artistic. It's like, well, it's art, it's not uh raunchiness where it was now it's just pure raunch. Um, they look at the same way. Well, it's not, it's not harmful, I'm just stripping, I'm just stripping.

2:33:10 So that just shows you in 1972, uh, how this thing was perceived. Now we fast forward almost 25 years later, enters Players Club. Now, Players Club is a very iconic film in the black community because it was the merging of the two things of education and dancing. And this is kind of where it-I know it's not the genesis of it, but where it became popularized of dancing your way through school. And it was a very fine piece of propaganda they put together there. And ironically, it involves Ice Cube.

2:33:51 Oh, man. Yeah. So let's just go ahead and hear the movie review on Players Club. You could be making a lot more money than what you're making up in here if you would just use what you got to get what you want to stop messing with this chunk chat. And what's that supposed to mean? Just what it sounds like. In 1995, it was Show Girls. In 96, we got Strip Tees. And in 1997, it was Full Monty. All our movies about strippers. Then comes 1998, and Ice Q released the Players Club. This is a story about the Strippers Myth. Diamond is only stripping to pay her tuition. Based on the strip club scene in Atlanta in the early 90s, you know, the freak Nick era.

2:34:36 What's it about? How a college journalism major looks back when she was fresh out of high school and became a stripper to support her son and to get through college. Meanwhile, her cousin Ebony moves in and wants to be just like Diamond is on the pole. But isn't mature enough yet? Together, they transverse the labyrinth of the Players Club in hopes of meeting their goals. Characters: Diane Diamond Armstrong is an ambitious college student studying journalism. She's sweet and a little naive in nature, and she's only stripping temporarily to get through college. Her plan is to study by day and strip by night. Then she's done. She's kind of like that stripper superhero Pam Anderson played.

2:35:18 Ebony is Diamond's fast little cousin. Little does she know, her mother has Diamond to look out for her. She has Diamond's ambition, but not her morals. She's paid to play all the way. Ronnie, that chick was a Ronnie a bisexual predator stripper, taking advantage of young girls like Diamond repeatedly. Wow, another movie. I gotta see. So Diamond became the ones that icon or either the caricature of the, yeah, I'm stripping my way through school and I'm using what I got to get what I want and

2:36:04 that kind of mindset. And it kind of made it okay to be a stripper then. It was in the 90s, it was still looked down upon, but it was where if you're doing what you got to do to get to a better life, then it's understandable. And this thing was this talking point was used by a lot of women about stripping. Well, the ramp up was interesting in that review. All these movies that you had about stripping and it ramped right up to the Players Club. I mean, that's interesting because I remember, I remember when Striptease came out and Full Monty, and it was a desensitization, of course.

2:36:43 And intentional or not. And you get to Players Club, it's like, boom, everything's wide open, I guess. And one of the movies I think they pointed out was Showgirls. Showgirls, yeah, which featured, if you remember Save by the Belle, it was Jesse who was the smart borderline feminist in Save by the Bell to end up being used as the stripper in Showgirls. So if you have little girls idolizing or identifying through Jesse, because in that show, Save by the Belle, they had clear archetypes, right? It was the jokester or the funny guy. guy, Zach.

2:37:26 You had AC Slater as the jock, you had Screech as the nerd, you had Lisa Turtle as a self-absorbed Black Valley girl, and you had Lisa, you had Kelly as the prototypical cheerleader who gets the cool guy, and then you had Jesse, which I forget the actress's name, but she was the, I'm gonna do the books, and I'm gonna be smart, and I'm you know, uh, pushing all kinds of uh political causes and that kind of thing at the school. And it's funny that they use her for the showgirls. Yeah, yeah, is it Elizabeth Berkeley? Is it funny or is it uh planned?

2:38:12 You just got to look at this stuff and think, wow, you know, hmm. And you know what? That's something I have to I look at all the time because I see these character character archetypes played out through generational roles. And it's, you know, they'll take a character and develop them in different movies, and it's like they're progressing through life on the screen. And it's where what happens is, we as humans, we identify and live through people. Sure. So it's like if you identify, say, with just take Queen Latifah, for instance, if you look at Queen Latifa, she brushed it on the scene.

2:38:52 And I'll just, it's sort of a tan, I'm digressing a little bit, but I just want to lay this out with Queen Latifa because you pointed it out. And I'm glad you did, because it gave me a great opening point. This trend I see. So Queen Latifah, she came on the scene as the positive rapper. She didn't show her body off, that kind of thing. Then in Player, I mean, excuse me, House Party 2, she played a hardcore feminist that, you know, she was trying to woo one of the main characters in House Party. Oh, you don't need no man. You need to focus on your books. You know what I'm saying? Men are going to get you in trouble.

2:39:32 That kind of thing. And so it's pertinent to the story. Then she goes from there and then she's rolled into this show called Living Single. Living Single is about women of the modern day 90s women. It's a 90 kind of world. I'm glad I got my girls. They're all living together. And, you know, they have these archetypes in that show. And then, like I said, you fast forward. And then I'm going to possibly get into Girls Trip where now Living Single, Queen Latifa plays the owner of a magazine company called Flava.

2:40:10 Now you fast forward to Girls Trip. It's like these women have gotten older and now she's this struggling blogger that has lost her magazine. So that's what I'm saying. It's like they play these characters out right in front of our face in all of these different movies, but it's the same theme or the same character archetype across all the brands or franchises. I have not seen it yet, but now she is the equalizer. Yeah, she's the lonely woman that has to go beat up men. That's the role, right? And it's like, that doesn't even make any sense. I mean, I don't know.

2:40:52 No, no, no, no. It's it just, you know, assets, commodities, commodities. You can use these commodities in all kinds of ways. I think that's the realization. Well, Hollywood Starlets have always been commodities. Right. I mean, it just, it doesn't look that way anymore because it's all broken up into studios and then there's William Morris Entertainment. And, you know, although that's getting now that the studios were broken up back in the day, a lot of it was for women. You know, it's like you had to break up the studios and make them smaller because it was totally abusive.

2:41:32 And what's happening today is they're rolling it all right back up again. There's really going to be two companies, three companies, tops that own everything and they will be the studio system. And they'll just use these commodities like they did back in the early days of Hollywood. They're right back where they wanted to be under the guise of equity, equality, empowerment, and all of that. It's a great, great spell. And it'll be one feeder system, which is Disney, which has all the all the budding starlets. Pretty much. It's right back to right back to where they started. Yeah. So going back to Players Club, let's get into the second part of the review.

2:42:11 Ronnie? That shit was a Ronnie was a bisexual predator stripper, taking advantage of young girls like Damon repeatedly. repeatedly. She kept testing Diamond to see how far she could get. Let's go home. What? Look, that's exactly what they're about to call you upstairs, so you might as well get used to it. Trix is the oldest stripper at the Players Club. She's been renting hard and put away wet. She's the bitter sidekick of Ronnie. Blue is a disgruntled DJ. The only one in the club that's not a creep. Because of the bad deal between Dollar Bill and him, he damn near working for free. I just don't think it's fair that you charge me 25% interest on the money that you loan me when you already take 30% out of my check.

2:42:53 Who was this tripping game, partner? Dollar Bill is the owner of the Players Club. He borrowed 60 G's from this gangster named St. Louis and hasn't made a payment. Bernie Mac hands down at the standout of this film as Dollar Bill. With his shot down colloquialisms, his story about how stripping started is funny enough to be true. Stripping bitter started in Africa. Long time ago, long, long, long time ago, white men went to Africa. He saw these beautiful black women walking around. Sure. That's how it started. So, well, there it's. Let's listen to the whole history as laid out by the late great Bernie Mac

2:43:33 in this movie. And it's the history lesson in the strip game. Stripping bitter started in Africa. Long time ago, long, long, long time ago, white men went to Africa. And he saw these beautiful black women walking around, singing, dancing, working, living in the new. Bucking naked. You can see they public ass. This white man went from village to village to seek out these beautiful black women, watching them perform in the new tennis hey for free. White man had an idea. She figured he's gonna go back to Europe of business taking away from our black women.

2:44:18 Try to get those white bitches to dance the same identical way, huh? But to no avail. Wasn't no shame in our black women. Wasn't no shame in them walking around bucking naked. So he went over the years, trying to start the same thing, but it didn't happen. The white bitches told him the most beautiful words you want to hear in our profession. What's she saying? Baby, the white bitches looked at that white man dead and I told him, fuck that. Pay me. That's why I get 30%. When can I start? The immediate thing. So,

2:45:01 in all just, there is some truth into that story. You want to got anything you want to say? You want to get right into it? No, go for it. I'm all ears. Okay. I am Sarah Barton. I mean, I am Sarah Bartman. I was of the poison women. Koi Koi, we see. We were known for our La Bia. La Bia, you say? On the lips of our vagina. They were unusually large. Too much information?

2:45:40 I think so too. That was not meant for you to know, but thanks to the infamous Alexander Don Lop, you almost know everything there is to know about me. My name was Sarah Dad. Sorry for Martha. Easy for you to understand. Sarah. Sarah Barton. I loved my body. Cherished it. Don Lock promised I would return to South Africa a very rich woman.

2:46:23 And I believe him. I did not think for one second that he did. I say yes to him. I would be forced to give up my very soul. Okay. This does go back to the Dutch, actually. I am Sarah Bartman. Sarah Bartman was paraded around Europe because of her large buttocks and other female parts by a man named Dunlop. The only difference was she voluntarily did it. That's why I said there's some truth and just

2:47:07 of the exploitation of women, but it was voluntary. Well, that's very interesting because I. you know, while the clips were playing, I was also, you know, I looked up the history of strip teas, which takes you back to burlesque, of course, and some other earlier time periods. But Sarah Bartman actually, her name was Sartya. She was from South Africa, which is why there's a Dutch connection. She lives in the late 1700s.

2:47:42 And when she was taken around, I'm just reading from the Wikipedia here, the objectification of their buttocks were exhibited as freak show attractions in 19th century Europe. So that definitely predates the burlesque period. And then here's the interesting part for any of our, I know we have some Dutch producers out there. She traveled around Europe under the name Hotenthalt, which is a phrase still used today in a derogatory term towards women in the Netherlands. This is a history I was not aware of. This is really,

2:48:22 thanks, Mo. And some people would even say that Haltenthalt, how you say it, is kind of the origin of thought. Some have made that connection. Really? Yes. But it goes deeper. It goes deeper. Why not? They stuff me in tight stocking, decorate me in beads, put feathers on me, and paint my face as I dance like an animal before them. I sing. I sang in humiliation in my very own native tongue and was repuffed

2:49:08 as I was made to sing the European folk songs as well. Their puppet. I was no longer Sarah. She did not exist anymore. I was halting towards Venus. I'll never forget the eyes rolling up and down my thighs. Six smiles and say, Look upon the buttocks God gave me for me and my Austin that I will never have the pleasure to know. My body was exhibited. The Brits were obsessed with buttocks.

2:49:52 The white women even tried to pump up their bottoms to look like mine. Oh my God, this is just history repeating itself. This is fantastic. Oh my God. And her name was Hottentot Venus. Yes. Who is Venus, the mother goddess? And then you say, why the and she said it herself. Her body was meant for her and her husband. If you go out here and she was no longer herself, Megan thee Stallion is no longer herself. Little Kim was no longer herself. Foxy Brown was no longer herself. And old Go, so you don't go by your real name.

2:50:34 You go by yourself. The interesting thing is, Maxine Waters, the Reverend, she is motivating Megan the Stallion, and she was also alive to motivate Sarah Hottentot. That's all old Maxine Waters is. She is the missing link. No, but she knows about the objectification of black women. This is not, this is, and the untold and the unknown. Well, this isn't, this is an untold story to me. So this is a huge revelation, and I really appreciate this one. And what I'm going to, and what I want to point out is the slavery narrative or story, however you want to look at it, sexuality is a huge part of it.

2:51:20 It's the elephant in the room that nobody wants to talk about. Nobody, because that was part of slavery, that you're an object to be used any way possible or any way as seen. Yeah, we only need to look at BDSM culture to understand that that's very logical that that was taking place back in the OG days of slavery and has never stopped. And the sad kind of thing is that what some people do in 50 Shades of Gray or that idea between consenting responsible adults

2:52:01 is mirrored exactly that way with non-consenting people today all over the world. But going as far back back as what we're talking about here and beyond, I'm sure. And I'm going to foreshadow a little bit into the next episode the corset. It was meant to be shedded in the 1920s by the flappers. Now the corset is synonymous with sex work. Yeah. So you see how we come 360? It's like the very thing that women want to be freed from is one of the most iconic pieces of

2:52:44 wardrobe apparel that represents sex work. But it's almost no different from the years and years of campaigning and work that women put into getting women's sports just for women. And only to enter the 2000s and, hey, there's dudes popping up. And I want to be respectful. I have no problem with trans. I grew up in Amsterdam, so I've been exposed to this for a very long time. But clearly, there's some physical issues that just don't make sense. And those women are being shouted down. They can't even forget even if it's true or not.

2:53:26 They can't even have the conversation. Say, hold on a second. And so they kind of work themselves right into that which they fought so hard against. And it's your bussy again. That is a it's a comp, it's a competitor. It's competition. You introduce competition because men are looking at trans women as real women, and you've made more competition for yourself, which I mean, just to be synonymous with the sports. It doesn't make any logical sense. And I'm just going to say from this, the sports aspect of it, sport is about competition and fair competition.

2:54:07 You don't put a 250-pound box in the ring with a 180-pound boxer. It doesn't say, oh, one guy's lesser or more or better boxer, right? It's just that if we want to have fair competition, let's put people with the same physical abilities and see who, you know. So that doesn't even have to talk about gender there. It's just the point of let's let people to compete with their own, you know, class of competition. So I have a pro tip, by the way. A pro tip. If you're Googling bussy, do not click on the images tab. Yeah. Please don't. Pro tip. I should have warned you. Sorry about that. All right, pro tip.

2:54:55 So we got to go into this obsession with large buttocks. We've seen Kim Kardashian, and it's amazing how they use Kim Kardashian to you bring in the large buttocks. It's like, if you're going to have a representative, at least have a black woman represented it. If you're saying it's positive. That is kind of interesting. And the thing is, Kim Kardashian actually mimicked Sarah Bartman on Warner on a magazine cover. Yes, that is like a double smack. So that's the, well, by the way, the first woman to do that in pop music, I believe, was Grace Jones. Yes. But I'm only realizing now that that is Sarah Bartman.

2:55:38 Yes. And I've and these things become mainstream and acceptable in a short amount of time. But it's a city. It's a slavery thing that has been, I mean, that has been replicated throughout popular culture. And I've been a part of it. And no one has ever told me this. And no, just think though, we're shouted down. We're like, hold on, sister. Like, I'm sure everybody you're good. You know what I'm saying? Like, hey, you know. But no, my liberal teachers, my liberal, my feminist teachers said I have the right to show my body off and not to be judged.

2:56:21 And we're saying it don't work like that, sister. It don't work like that. That's not how it works. And that's where the frustration comes in in this war between black men and black women. And it's going to spread if it's not spreading already. That it's the frustration is means like, you know what? I'm checking out. I don't want to marry. I don't want to marry. You know what I'm saying? I'm good. Yeah, it's very, and is that saturation point now there? Is that what's happening? Oh, yes. Oh, we're going to get this is just a new, this is just the beginning of a whole new conversation. Stay tuned for part two of this fabulous, fabulous journey.

2:57:03 So with that said, let's get into. get into my toxic obsession. This is a story about a woman who defined herself by her external, how she looked on the outside to such a degree that her quest for perfection became her poison. In the world of plus-size models, Anivia was at the top of her game. God was so good. I walked into Wilhelmina on an open call. I did the test shoot and I got signed. I was booking really good jobs. But the very thing that helped her get to the top soon became her downfall.

2:57:45 In my quest to gain weight, to become a plus-size model, I started the butt injections. At the time, there weren't many options. You either go overseas or you get it done here. And I'm like, hey, everybody's alive. Everybody's living. I want to look like that. So I went the cheap route. In her pursuit of a modeling career, Anivia says she took part in the underground world of butt enhancement injections to get a plump, crevaceous behind. It looked amazing. And I just kept going. Just imagine not having eyesight. And someone tells you that they can fix your eyesight for such a cheap price. You start paying and you start to see.

2:58:29 So you just keep going back again and again and again. I see the way other people look at her. Many times I've heard people say, is it real? Go touch it. Go touch it. Or I want to tap that ass. There it is. These women were injecting any and everything into their backsides to meet a standard, a very unhealthy standard. Now, this is nothing new. We had this in the 80s. It was more white women with the large breast implants. And there was a movie, I think, called Breast Men on HBO where these guys were giving women, you know, triple G's and triple H's.

2:59:16 And it was just, I mean, you saw, it was like, it was body disfigurement. You would look at these women and be like, what did you do to yourself? I mean, Dolly Parton was one of them, right? I mean, that was like the running joke of, oh, look, you know what I'm saying? Look how big, you know what I'm saying, her boobs are or whatever. And going back full circle to what you talk about in rock videos, it was the same thing. It was, it was cartoonish. It also really became a I have some expertise in this area. Married three times, my first and second wife, definitely I had a front row seat to a lot of different cosmetic things.

3:00:01 And it's fashion driven. Part of it is age, but a lot of things were fashion driven. And the breasts in, the breasts out, too big, needs to be smaller. Oh, now we have to go almost flat chested. It's almost identical to Twiggy being the icon and the perfect woman in the 60s to, well, obviously what we now see in the 2000s, which could not be more polar opposite. So, and when I say fashion, that means it's driven by culture and by media and all the factors that we constantly explore. And oh yeah. Now, along with that comes,

3:00:43 so here's what I've learned about plastic surgery. There's always a couple of weeks of bruising. That's what the doctor will say for no matter what procedure, a couple of days, a couple of weeks of bruising. Don't worry about it. That's a lie. And you need to maintain it. It's not a one and done. There's no Johnson and Johnson for this stuff. It's like you got to maintain it. You got to stay on it. And with that, since you're doing it anyway, that's when culture moves you and changes you. And you sometimes reduce instead of enhance. I mean, it's a really crazy dynamic.

3:01:24 And let me be clear. There's nuance to this conversation about plastic surgery. I understand a mother that has a couple of kids, if she wants to get something tightened up or, you know what I'm saying, or get her, try to bring her pre-baby body back. Fine. Because I understand how beauty and for lack of a better word, vanity is important to women. Confidence, confidence, self-assurance. It's incredibly important. Yeah. So I get it. What I'm saying is when it becomes cartoonish, when you have. have these in the 80s, you had these women who had looked like two basketballs. I mean, they were terrible, I mean, like terrible, terrible boob jobs.

3:02:07 Pam Anderson was really big, and that was considered a standard, I would say, with Baywatch. I'm talking about the ones on Skinamax. What did you do to your body? Like, that's not even hot. You know what I'm saying? No, that was just, that was just sick. It was sick people. And it became, and then, and it became funny at a certain point. The point I'm making is that we're here right now in that moment now, but it's not breast is butts. And that's what was driving these women. When you look at them, it's like, that's not attractive. You're a sideshow. Hello, Sarah Barbara. It's not about, it's not about, oh, that's attractive. It's just that I gotta look because it's

3:02:54 obscene, you know, in a way. And these women, and I say this out of care, out of love, because a bunch of women have died from this. These are not real doctors. These are women setting up and guys setting up shops and hotel rooms. And they're putting actual like silicon from Lowe's like to patch holes in your house. No, I'm serious. I'm serious. I know it's true. I know it's true. I'm laughing, but yes, it's absolutely true. And it's so true that this lady is going to explain her experience with these makeshift butt shots in the next clip.

3:03:34 But in 2010, Anivia made headline news. New Jersey model was accused of helping other women build a better body by giving them buttocks enhancing injections. She was indicted on charges of the unauthorized practice of medicine without a license. Now, the accusations that the media put out there were definitely not true. And this is my first time speaking out on it. I do not have a record. No, I did not go to jail. No, I was never arrested. And that's that. A Nivia pled not guilty. The case was eventually dropped due to a technicality. Today, Anivia's problems stretch far beyond her legal issues.

3:04:17 Now, my life is possibly in danger. All due to the fact that I wanted a larger buttocks. I remember exactly when my butt started hurting. I can remember specifically one of my first sharp pains. And all of a sudden, this nail or something just went straight through the middle of my right butt cheek. And it brought me down to my knees almost. So it's so confusing and it sounds crazy. But the reaction that I get from people, oh, you have such a great shape. Oh, I love. I never had that before. And I don't want to lose that, but I don't want this butt to be so big. I have become someone that I never thought I would be. I'm 32 years old and I'm bitter.

3:05:01 I'm angry. Hurt. Alone. No children. I don't know. Wow. You know, I picked up on a line in there. What's that? Girl, you look so amazing. Your body looks so good. This is Instagram talk. All day long. It has nothing to do with men. No, all day long. It has nothing. Girl, you look so good. You look so fine. I love your curves. And that's what feeds it. It's the dopamine. It's the you put it online.

3:05:46 But women are lying. They're lying to each other. At a certain point, they're just lying. I know they're lying because it's one thing to say, no, I mean, this is two dudes talking now. It's one. And I'm just going to be just as honest. Women around me are like, oh, man, you know, Lizzo, she's great. She's putting it out there. And like, she's obese. She's obese. I'm sorry. Yes, I understand. And body types and body shaming and, you know, whatever. But I don't think it's helpful to tell people who are obese that they're just beautiful. And it's fantastic. You know, it's because here's the thing.

3:06:28 Because it makes your butt big. You know, it's like, no, and they're lying. It's like, you know, your butt's really, you could say this. Your butt's really great, but, you know, you need to lose some pounds. Well, you can't say that or you get canceled. Exactly. And which enter enters Mr. Kevin Samuels, but we're going to talk about him later. But he's got himself in the world of trouble by rating women by beauty standards. And. And by doing that, he's made himself public enemy number one. Now, you can say what you want to about him, but just the bell curve distribution, everybody can't be eights, nines, and tens.

3:07:07 You know, there has to be ones and twos, and there has to be, you know, the majority will fall in the middle of the bell curve, probably between fours and sevens. You know what I'm saying? And then you have the other than the bell curve. But what you're saying is, and this is why math is racist. It's like, you know, you can't. This is this is why now seriously. Yes, I mean the logical thinking is that we're all tens because we tell each other equity. And what feeds to that, and I said something, but let me clarify it. Men do play a role in it by being simps and liking these women photos on Instagram.

3:07:46 It's because you contribute to this with these simp messages under their, you know, to their own demise by thumbs upping and supporting this behavior. But then you, when you see them in public, you wouldn't, you know, take them seriously. You're sending them Miss Mex messages. So when men, real men stand up and say, you know what? Yeah. And to be honest with you, real men like women of all shapes. And it's a flavor for each guy. You know, some guys like larger women. Some guys like petite women. You know, some like, you know, it's a, no, it's a, it's kind of a crowd or audience out there for each type.

3:08:27 But what you need to be is healthy and not only physically healthy, but mentally healthy where you love yourself. Because that resonates. You can see that like, you know, shine right through it with a person that actually loves themself. That's very attractive. Yes. But you love it. When you love yourself for who you are and what you do is one thing. And that can be, that's super. I mean, hey, you know, Billy Joel is talented. He got Christy Brinkley. I mean, you know, Bill Gates getting all kinds of tale. These are not the most attractive guys, but they're intelligent.

3:09:06 They're interesting. They love themselves. With women, exactly the same. But when you love yourself for some fake aesthetic, that can't end well. Well, they traded one man's love for the world's love. And that's the bargain. That's the Faustian deal they made to say, you know what? I'm not satisfied with one man's love. And, you know, what Sarah Bartman was portrayed to say about Tamika Allen to say, you know, my husband loves what I have. Now is what does Instagram say about me? And Kanye said this, and it was like a punchline or whatever, like that.

3:09:47 And excuse my language, but he said, Instagram got your bitch. And what he was saying is, she checks with Instagram before she checks with you. That's right. She's satisfied with Instagram before she's satisfied with you. And this is all this culture is built in by portraying women natural beauty or natural state with falsified images of, I woke up like this. That kind of thing. When you know that picture is airbrushed and you have makeup on, and it's been, you know, you have a filter and those kind of things. Your daughter of Instagram? Your daughter of Instagram? She's a spectator. I mean, me and her had this conversation and she's a spectator of social media.

3:10:30 I think younger people are leaning more towards this. And they're the silent majority as well. What we see on Instagram is the minority. I don't want to throw the, you know, just like paint with a wide brush. I guess the point I was going to make was if you, because I don't use Instagram, but it doesn't matter which picture goes up. We tap on the filter. Let's just make just a little rub of the lines under the eyes on me, by the way. Right. Yeah, just whiten the teeth a little bit. And that's just normal. It's just normal now. So if that's the standard of what we think humans look like,

3:11:16 when we go out into the real world, it's going to suck. And what happens is... You need Viagra. That's what you need. Well, not only that, but what happens is I don't want to stretch this out too long, but what happens is when women get that support and adoration and attention, they think that's real. And then when the guy sees them actually on the date and it's not. not the same kind of energy,

3:11:53 it crashes the market. It's like you hype this stock up, you hyped it up, and then the IPO comes, it's like, oh, no, it's not performing like it needs to, and it just tanks. And that's a real person we're talking about. And that's why I do this. That's why I did this show. These unrealistic expectations women need to be set free from. The only people who can do it is real men stand up and say, you know what? We like real women. Not these cartoon characters. And it's sad, I can say. And the thing is, it's beautiful women that do it to themselves. Yeah.

3:12:33 That's the real, that's the thing. That's the kicker, right? Yeah, that's like, I mean, like, you were fine like you were. Yeah. But there is some science behind our obsession with big butts. So you might say to yourself, I like big butts and I cannot lie, but you might be wondering why. Why do people feel like they need to lie about that? I don't know, but I want to know why, as a society, we're so obsessed with big butts, especially the big butts of some people like Kim Kardashian or a Jen Stelder, if you will. Apparently, evolution might have the answer. So the curve of your back and your bum, the curve would have enabled ancestral women to shift their center of mass back over their hips during pregnancy, a time during which there is a dramatic forward shift of their center of mass.

3:13:20 Basically, it would have been like a seesaw kind of thing. Exactly. Exactly. Consequently, ancestral women who possess this degree of lumbar curvature would have been able to forge longer into pregnancy and would have been able to carry out multiple pregnancies with a reduced risk of spinal injury. Just thinking about that is giving me lumbar. You know what I mean? Now, evolutionary psychologists might have a different answer. So they say attractiveness is socially constructed, varying among human populations across the globe and across generations. And further, men in the study were less attracted to larger rumps that resulted from fat Kim K or excess muscle.

3:13:59 Jim Selter. And that's reference had to do with spine curvature, but not butt size, which seems to conflict with the notion that Kardashians' body is setting off some sort of primeval sex bells. Or that that's the particular reason why it's setting off a sex spell. Huh. So that means it's primal and built into our DNA. Yes. And I was a teenage boy once upon a time ago. And you could spot a great butt. I don't care. Like, you could be driving 60 miles an hour down a road. Yes. And out your peripheral. We're just being honest here. Out your periphery.

3:14:41 You see that curve. And this is, like I said, this is hardwired into our biology. Well, yes. Right. So the white boys version, baby makes her blue jeans talk, Dr. Hook in the Medicine show. Brooke Shields, nothing comes between me and my Jordash's or my Calvin's. What was it? Yes. I would say the all-American white girl always had the bikini out or the hot pants, but not with a super, not with a supercharge, but with definitely, yeah, of course, we see that. But we've gone to an extreme here. We've gone to a whole nother level. It's science, though.

3:15:23 It's just like with the golden ratio and beauty, right? It comes down to a science of symmetry and which is why you cannot have just a butt enhancement without breast enhancement because then you ruin the Fibonacci sequence, I think. That's exactly right. So I just want to point that out. And I'll make this final point before we move on. There's a talking point in men's circles, men's rights circles, you know, the manosphere, the black manosphere, wherever, that women that wear clothes to work that accentuate this is a form of

3:16:02 sexual harassment. I didn't come to work to be asked to be tempted. I think, you know, this is, you know, it's, it's very distracting. I'm sure, I mean, no, you don't, you don't work, but I've been in work environments where people are like, why does she wear that? You know, when you go to the grocery store, yoga pants and these kind of things, it's like, it's nothing. It's like you're showing everything. And what we're doing is we're abusing little boys and young men.

3:16:40 You can take it how you want to, but it's biological and I don't think I don't feel this it is ways to be sexy without being or ways to be attractive without being, you know, going and getting into that, you know, uh, gray area. That's a again, you know, the how far this is uh this has progressed from my own history when Christina was about eight and her mom would pick her up and her mom, you know, beautiful, had uh was always wearing uh what now today would be

3:17:17 Lululemons, uh, you know, and and but she kind of wore those all she's a she was a singer performer, so that was kind of her attire anyway. Um, and uh, now this was around the uh, the first or second uh boob job, uh, and she would pick up our daughter at school. And a certain point, one of the moms came to our door and said, We really think you should dress less provocatively when you uh come pick up Christina because you know the boys are seeing way too much. That is 20 years ago, and and you know, and of course, I uh now I had a company with 700 employees, I ran the New York office with over a hundred, so I'm very familiar with with what and this was in the uh in the 90s, mid-90s.

3:18:06 So, I'm very familiar with you know what you how people dress and and and what kind of impact that has. But just to go back to the Lululemons, I mean, today I went to the grocery store, and you're right. I mean, that's 20 years ago that was not done anywhere, let alone uh out in public at like the supermarket, and and that's all that it is, Mo. I would say eight, well, it's Whole Foods, Whole Foods, eight out of ten women in Whole Foods are wearing you know, uh, Lululemons, and then the way they're designed is acts, you know, accentuate it with the

3:18:44 striping and the oh, yeah, yeah, totally, yeah, and it fries your brain. I mean, like, especially for a little boy, I mean, that what am I seeing here? I mean, like I said, I was a young man once, and this you're already wired that way, and to push it, you know, to that extreme, you got to take in the fact that, like the mother said, protect our little boys by having, you know, saying doing something different. Not, but now they want to say, little boys, overcome your toxic masculinity, right? There it is. What a trap. And then they say, why are men so effeminate?

3:19:24 It's like, hold on. What do you expect? Yeah. I'm battling millions of years' evolution here, lady. You know what I'm saying? Oh, my goodness. But it's okay to sexualize or desexualize little boys. I mean, that's the message that we're being sent. Yeah. Moving on. Can we get a little Leon Lonnie Love, please? I understand that there's some people out there who need my services. Are there any people out there who are weak? Yeah. Any people out there who are weary? And there's people out there who just need to heal. Y'all got kids.

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3:32:59 All right, so we're coming down to home stretch. And the most disgusting part of Maxine Waters' pandering is I'm sure she's aware of survival sex, which we talked about a long time ago. The episode. And this is a snippet of a clip that we used in there from Tiffany Graham. And she kind of explains survival sex and how prevalent it is. Survival sex is an enormous issue, too. Now, what do we mean by survival sex? In principle, survival sex is part of the wider commercial sex trade.

3:33:40 People who engage in survival sex do so because they literally have no other way to survive. So they exchange sex for money. They exchange sex for shelter. They exchange it for food, clothing, or any other good, which is a necessity of life. Yep. And that's why I find it disgusting right there that it's people out here, a lot of people out here that actually have to use sex as a way to make money and their only way to make money. And I'm sure Maxine Waters is aware of that, knowing with her district and the known sex area street workers in her district.

3:34:25 That's what I find the most disgusting. And the last handful of clips that we have here, I call them the Teller Two Diamonds because it's about two sex workers, both named Diamond, as we saw in Players Club and their journeys throughout the sex work industry. There's a girl over here that just came into the game. She don't know nothing. She's scared. And she got this tight pussy. And she got these perky tits. And she's trying to figure this out for the first time.

3:35:06 And your man come around and be like, baby, I got some money for you. Can you give me an experience that I ain't never had? He still loves you, though. He appreciates you, though. He's going to give you the house, the car, the credit. But he just, he's just a man. He's just a man. All right, Diamond. Oh, wait. I ain't even ready. I got the cup. Gonna drink it up. Okay. Like, I got a little bit left shit. What are you drinking? Well, I decided to try dark liquor because white liquor, I don't know, it's not been agreeing with my stomach. So I'm trying do say what you do. Do you drink pretty much every time you go to work? Oh, I have to.

3:35:51 You have to. I have to, because if I don't drink, I'm in there like. But it's like, how do I talk to people? How do I interact? How do I do this? Because this is all new for me. How long have you been doing this? It's going on three years. In three years. It's fairly new for you. It's a little different for me. My story is a lot different. How'd you get into it? I had to survive, baby. That's a common story. I had to survive. that's what survival sex looks like yeah that a woman has to trade her on her last

3:36:32 valuable thing to make a living and you think a lot of people didn't go on only fans and i say people not only women doing the covet uh lockdowns and exploit themselves on only fans that that boom is is not uh is definitely tied to covet you're talking about people that wasn't getting any money that you know or are waiting on stimulus checks or whatever and you're stuck in your house what can you do cut the camera on it's this diamond you know saying she was actually working the blade uh out on figaro but

3:37:14 when you don't have anything else to sell and men do this too but it's not we don't sell our sex we sell our back we sell our you know um our physical strength yeah it's like you know if nothing else you're a mule if you don't have anything else to offer dig that ditch or carry this heavy load that kind of thing so it's it's similar in both cases but that's why i found that's what disturbed me about what uh maxine water did because you're saying these people doing what they only could do is audacity if these people if these

3:37:51 uh and i keep saying people and i'm gonna expose what i mean by whap now whap does not stand for wet ap it stands for we are people we are we are people man you you're selling people into slavery and that's your number one talking point about in our race and you're lining these women up to be another sarah bartman and you're applauding them for doing it when you don't give them any opportunity when this country prints friggin trees and trillions of dollars you have women feel like their only choice i say feel it may not be but perception is reality

3:38:32 yeah maxine water's job should be to uh obviously present all kinds of opportunities for it's it's all just talking point mo it's all done for political reasons uh what they're doing with black men how they're programming black women homeless allowing homelessness to run rampant it's all for political purposes and power it's disgusting and that's the bottom line of it but now when you break it down it just shows the human tragedy is is very very deep and it's been popularized and and seen as cute when it's on instagram and other places right because as i said in the last show with the drug addiction thing

3:39:13 if you have money you have resources drugs is a small problem right i mean you go you can go to rehabs forty thousand dollars a week rehabs get clean um now i mean i'm not poo-pooing drug addiction what i'm saying it's far compounded when you don't have resources it's the same thing with these women like once you get into that life it's so hard to get out because so many you know interactions happen and you know those kind of things so it it just irks it irks me to my soul having three daughters um and you know numerous amount of other family members are women that a

3:39:53 woman that stands up says she's a supporter of women would celebrate a young girl and a young woman excuse me young woman and magnet stallion that she has choices she's going to college and you applaud her for selling her most valuable asset for what cheap thrills and you're saying and some money come on man and it just irks me and it's i guess we can get into the part two of diamond you meet a guy for the first time okay yeah he's cool he got money i don't care about that me you have to dismiss certain things when it comes to a

3:40:35 man you have to dismiss it like what okay he got a big change oh he got a big rap he's gonna come in talking about something baby i got all these racks i can give you this i can give you that i can put you on i'll be like oh okay babe that's cool that's nice okay great okay i can give you 1500 for the night pop it open let me see you okay okay okay you about to okay babe all right i'm down i'm cool and men all the time the minute you start trying to me raw i devalue you i devalue you because i'm gonna stop you and say, Oh, no, baby, let's use protection.

3:41:23 And I don't care how drunk I am. One thing I'm gonna make sure: I'm about my bread and I'm about my protection. But I really should say it this: I'm about my protection first. I'm about my protection first. It's about me because this is the money, so I gotta protect it. Because the same way a guy has eyes for me, he has eyes for the next, the next, the next. And all the nexus that he done collected, he's gonna put inside of me. And I don't want to risk that. I ain't been out here like that, but I have never had an STD. I've never had an STD. And that's the other part of it.

3:42:06 Never having an STD. That's because she entered the game as an adult. And let me make it clear: if you choose to do sex work and you enjoy it, and you know, you feel comfortable with your body and you do it as an adult, more power to you. Everybody's having life to have a choice to do what they want to do in life. But that's she's the anomaly. You heard her even say it herself that me entering the game at my, you know, saying she was referring to her age is not the normal way this happened. And what frustrates me even more, and I can't squeeze this into this show or the next show, that with black women, our women are the face of HIV and AIDS.

3:42:51 And you promote a song that pushes Pull Out Game is Week, which is implying that you're having unprotected sex, and you just do it so flippantly. But every time I look at an AIDS commercial, with these pharmaceutical companies, I see black women and black gay men at the face of AIDS and HIV. Yeah, that used to be called. Fauci, I'm coming for you, Fauci. I'm coming for you. I got you on the list, bro. Because that's some bull crap y'all got going on. Oh, you know, you know, that the next Pfizer is going to, now they're going to come out with the flu vaccine from Moderna. I'm sorry. And the HIV vaccine. Finally, it's here. They did it. Finally.

3:43:32 Yeah, and they've been pushing this thing. And I'm not going to go down the HIV rabbit hole, but not today. I mean, not today. Yeah, what you're pushing. Yeah, what you're pushing is sending a bunch of bad messages. And like I said, this diamond, the first diamond, is the anomaly. The second diamond here is the prototypical entry into prostitution and sex work. All right, Diamond. Hello. Hi, Diamond. Where'd you grow up, Diamond? I grew up like in between 30th, 34th Street in King. And I also stayed in the Vermont News area. Okay. So now you're in South Central?

3:44:15 Yes. I'm back in the Vermont News area. Yeah. And tell me about your childhood. You had both your parents? No, my dad, he was incarcerated for eight years. He went to jail when I was eight years old. And he got out when I was 16. Well, as a kid, I think like I was the youngest child and I was very active. I think I'm my mom's problem child. A lot of people say I'm different. You know, so as a kid, I was growing up. I went to a residential home in Utah. I was put away because I was like 12, 11. I started running the streets. I started gangbanging, hanging out, doing drugs.

3:44:57 And I started surrounding myself with people that didn't really have my best interest. And then I just developed like a lifestyle, something, a habit. And it's just something that I've just been doing ever since. What age did it start? I mean, like, when it comes to me acting out and stuff, you know, I was always put away. I probably was like eight acting out. But like when I started running away, I was like 10, 11. And you started working the streets at what age? 11. 11? Yeah. My second oldest daughter is 11. Yep.

3:45:43 And you, like I said, they look at these women like Cardi V and Negative Stallion and receive some kind of empower from him. It's like they're speaking for us. You know, they identify with us, but they don't. And I run my bell because this foster care system, it's a lot of great foster parents out there. But there's a feeder system. Yeah, there's real problems. There's a feeder system to the streets. Like they say, the prison of pipe. pipeline, prison the school pipeline, there's a definitely of a foster home to the blade pipeline. When I say the blade, I'm talking about the stroll.

3:46:26 11 years old when she started turning tricks or started, you know, saying redoing sex work. When was this interview done? Do you know? This was done, I think, in 2019 or 2018. This is soft white underbelly, if people want to check it out. Both of these aren't here. And what he's doing is telling these people's story, allow them to tell it theirself. This is the same one I got from the guy that got hipped on heroin and fentanyl last episode. And I want these people to tell their story, not Mo, come up here and tell their story for them. I want people to hear what goes on out here and how they just commoditize these people.

3:47:08 I'm very frustrated, so you please go to 44. I was always lying about my age everywhere I went. I went to jail with my cousin one time and he was like, dang, you know, now that I think about it, you've been 18 for three years now, you know? But so you're working as a prostitute on Figueroa? Yes, yes, yes. At 11? No, no, not at 11. That's the first time I turned my date. First time you turned the date was at what age? Because I stayed like on 51st and 6th. So, you know, on my way to school, I went to 51st on my way to school. I was walking down the one way, and this truck driver, I was like 12, maybe 11. 11 or 12? Yes. So that's like what grade? That's probably six, seven.

3:47:51 Sixth grade, something like that. Wow. Do you remember that first time? Yes. What was it? Was that the first time you had sex? No, it wasn't. No. No, no, no, no, no. I didn't, I didn't, I wasn't really having sex then, but I had did a sexual favor for the man. Oh, I see. Okay. Was there any abuse or anything like that in your childhood when you were younger? Yes. I was touched by a cousin of mine. And I never really told because like I was made out to be the promiscuous one. Or, you know, I never really said anything. And then like I done put myself in situations to where I was very vulnerable to men.

3:48:33 And I feel like it's rape. You know, it's rape. When you don't want to have to do something, but somebody making you feel like it because you're uncomfortable. I've been put in a lot of those situations, you know. In Figaro, what she's talking about is in Los Angeles. Yeah. I don't know if it's in her district, but it's in her backyard if it's not in Maxine Waters district. But I believe it is. It doesn't matter. I mean, your point is clear. Whether it's in Maxine Waters district is a mess. Everyone knows it. Yeah, but what I'm saying is you say you're a black woman. No, I know. I understand your point is that she's she isn't.

3:49:15 Well, you know what? Actually, it fits. She's sitting there talking to Megan thee stallion about, hey, this is great that you're doing this WAP stuff. And she thinks it's great because that's what she's got going on around her. She sees all kinds of empowered young women on Figaro. The woman is delusional. She's an idiot. She's nuts. And you know what? I don't even, I'm not going to let off the hook like that because I'm going to say one thing. And we're going to get through these last two clips. We saw the same thing when Barack Obama was in an office and Oprah did a special on the girls working DC. And it was little black girls.

3:49:56 I'm talking, when I say little black girls, I mean that literally like this, 11, 12, 13, they could barely walk in heels. That was in the shadows of the White House. And nothing was done. But then Michelle Obama comes out and said, bring our girls back for Boca Roharam. Yes. Yeah. You know, there was people, Americans of all backgrounds were saying, what? Hello? Hold on a second. How about our girls here? But nothing to the extent of what we're discussing here. When you really think about it and how cynical and how lame it is to be focused on that when this is going on a stone's throw from the White House, it's very difficult.

3:50:41 You can see it. And I mean, like, you see a little girl, they could barely walk in heels going up and down the street right in the shadows of the White House. And that's when I knew I was like, the fix is in. But let's go ahead and go to 45. Have you been roughed up and had bad experiences with some of the customers? Yes, I have. I've been cheated and it fucking sucks. That's why I don't like working the streets. I already worked the web. Yeah, so you do it through calls and stuff like that. Do you still engage? encounter guys that are problems, your trouble? I mean, not so much like there, it's just you more have to watch out for the feds, you know. Oh, so it's almost the same game, just you're doing it online instead of on the street.

3:51:22 Yes, and I came from my residential home in Utah. And ever since then, I've just been running the streets like, you know, it just become a way to I don't see myself doing nothing else sometimes. Did you finish high school? Almost. How much money do you make in a night or in a day? It depends, like, because you know, I spend it as I go, you know? Yeah. So it depends. Like, I'll be touching, like, man, I'll be touching, like, on a slow day, like maybe like 600, 700.

3:52:02 On a good day, maybe. It depends. It varies. It really varies. Does your family know you do this? I try not to tell them, but I know they have a good idea. She don't have audacity. What I mean by that is she's human. She knows this is something not to be proud of. I'm doing this to survive. I've been in these streets since 11 years old. And this is the only thing I know. And this is what you're pedaling.

3:52:42 You should hear some of these lyrics these young girls sing on these radio stations that are played on and throughout the day, middle of the day. The reason why it's so pervasive is it's free entertainment. And if you don't have anything, the radio, that's what I want people to understand. The radio in the black community is free. So if you don't have any other source of entertainment, you're going to cut the radio on. And they're steady pumping, pumping, pumping. I do this for money. I do this for money. I do that for money. You know what I'm saying? You know, I pop it open for money.

3:53:21 And you hear little girls hear this in no context, no guidance from any males or anybody else role models in their life. And they think this is normal. And it's not just black girls, Mo. The white girls are right there. I always say it starts with us. Now, guess what? Yo, little girls might not be on the stroll, but that TikTok is a stroll. Oh, TikTok. Yep, exactly. Who's in their DMs? Yeah. Who's sending them cash apps? Who's sending them Tinder Pizzas? ETH. ETH, man. ETH. It's a new thing. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. It's a new thing. And Tinder Pizzas. Tinder Pizza could have a whole nother conversation to it.

3:54:07 Oh, shoot. Let's just keep it honest here. That's right. Let's just keep it honest here. It's huge. Crazy. Let's move on to 46. Does it get you down sometimes? Do you get depressed sometimes? Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Because I just, I just be wanting to have someone, you know, to talk to. But I've found to get along with the voices in my head now because it's hard to explain somebody your lifestyle or like what you think. I don't know. Like just what I be going through, it's hard to explain that to somebody and not get the, not saying I want to hear a shutting answer, but it's always like criticism coming along, you know?

3:54:49 I don't know. I don't know. Like, I don't know how to explain it. But I'm not trying to have no pity party for myself. But people don't know until they really come here. You know, like, you just get treated different. What's the hardest part of doing this for a living? Once you start, you can't stop. And no matter how you, no matter how you try to play it out, you will always come across something. It's like it's like a not like, it's like it's like a scent on you or something wherever you go. Like it's just going to always follow you.

3:55:27 Take an addiction? Yes. What do you think the most misunderstood thing is about that other people don't quite understand what goes out for you guys? Well, because a lot of when it comes from the women, stereotypically, me, you know, I'm the scale. I'll say it's because there is probably their men that be paying for it and they like to like make that down because the way we dress or you know, it's, but you know, that's the business. That's what sales, you know? And she says. we're going to wrap up on this because that was the last clip. She says, one, I'm dealing with the voices in my head.

3:56:14 There has to be some kind of dissociative dissociation that has to happen to deal with that trauma over and over and over again. And you're talking about $600 on a slow day. Let's just say at $40 a pop. I mean, you ain't getting rich. That's 15 times a day on a slow day. And then she says, what? It's like I have a scent on me. Baby girl, that's called a stain. You have a stain on you. And women shame her. She didn't say men. Women shame her.

3:56:58 And you know what? If Melania Trump could be shamed for her sex work past, anybody could be shamed for it. You never shake that shame. You never shake that scent or stain from being a sex worker. I don't care what society says. Because look what these liberal, feminist, so-called women did to her. And I can say, I'm not taking up for her. I'm just saying as pointing it out as an illustration to say, was she a sex worker? What's she new? Taking nude pictures. What's she, you know, saying, what's she a hoe or whatever like this? So if you could do that to a first lady, 11-year-old prostitute to start working at 11 years old, that's dealing with mental issues.

3:57:41 Of course, mental issues come with, you know, like we all work with the homeless. Mental issues come with what? Self-medication. Yeah. Drugs, of course. Makes the prime candidate for heroin until you can't afford no more infentinal. And now we're in the same trap. But also, it becomes their community. It becomes their community on the street. That's right. Which is why it's much more palatable to do it. You have your community. You have your, you have what keeps you going. Mo, you've completely bummed me out. I appreciate that. I mean, sometimes we got to have these conversations. But you know what? I got women around me too. I got two stepdaughters. I got a daughter. I grew up with women.

3:58:25 I hear you on all these points. And then the thing is, they say we're the bad guy for wanting to protect them. That's the sickest part about it. It's like, you know, that guy over there is trying to protect you from the streets. Yeah, he's your enemy. Well, I hope that we're coming to a point. And I feel these changes with you too. Of course, I don't really know you in your regular work life, but I have the same, and I think COVID helped a lot with that. Now, I'm always outspoken on the podcast, which is easy, you know, but I don't walk around town going, hey, y'all, bunch of idiots. But I'm getting better at it. And I'm definitely getting better at saying, no, no, no, no, no.

3:59:07 I'm just going to counter what you're saying. Not just, I don't disagree, but you know, let me just, let me just give you my view on this. And I'm not going to go along with this bullcrap anymore. I was going to say at the same time, let's not dehumanize people like the second diamond or the first diamond or any of these girls, even Meghan Stallion. Let's not dehumanize them because they think they're doing the only thing they're going to be valued for. That's the real mind screw. No, what we're talking about here and the things we're pointing out will benefit all women. And it pertains to all of them. And the thing is, it's so

3:59:51 cynical to talk up on one end and punch down on the other for the same damn thing almost. And I'll wrap on this last part right here. And the women that really are being shamed are the ones that agree with us because they're the female equivalent of a coon if they say something against feminism. You see how they do. Now I don't agree with everything she says, but Candace Owens. Oh, yeah. But she says this doesn't make sense. They dehumanize her, you know what I'm saying, as a white man's monkey for men. The white man's wench, I think you once said. And that's the thing about it. That's the sick part about it is

4:00:35 they want you to be Sarah Bartman. Right away. You're a horse. But you accuse her as a bed winch. Even if she, even if you think she's peddling her influence, you should have the same respect for her that you have for these women is peddling their goods. So it doesn't make any logical sense. Mo, I really enjoyed this episode. I learned a lot of new things. I can totally feel where it's going. in episode two. As everyone knows, I don't look at any of the clips, I'm not a part of the preparation. So, we're fresh and we're open and we're honest. Uh, I'm excited about part two. I can't wait to put it together with you.

4:01:12 And I'll see you and the rest of the producers in part two. And as I always say, pay attention to everything and the truth will reveal itself. Remember us at mofacts.com. We will see you very soon for part two. Mo, take care, my friend. All right, Adam, you take care. See you, everybody. Bye-bye. Diamonds are forever. They are all I need to please me. They can stay, they can tease me. They won't believe in the night. I've no fear that they might desert me.

4:01:57 Diamonds are forever, forever, forever. Diamonds are forever, forever, forever, forever.