48: Shootist

00:02 Mofax with Adam Curry for September 5th, 2020. This is episode number 48. And there he is once again, the man with the golden voice. Mo Fax. Mo, Mo, how you doing? I'm doing good, Adam. How about yourself? Well, it's been a crazy two weeks. First of all, I'm glad we're back together. We skipped an entire week. You were down the rabbit hole, which we'll get to in a moment. But I think Monday or Tuesday, my interview with Joe Rogan comes out. And either I'm going to sound like the biggest nut job in the world, or maybe, maybe I got the Spitzer MoFax.

00:42 We'll find out. There was a lot of substances involved. But yeah, it was a lot of fun. I can't wait to hear it. I'm waiting like everybody else for it to drop. I can tell you what's it. One thing that did happen is I'm like, well, you know, me and my buddy Mo, Mo Fax, you know, and he says, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. Your friend's name is really that? I said, yeah, Moe. He says, Mo, what? I said, Mo, Maurice, Moe. He goes, Mo Fax? That's his name? I said, yeah, it's this M-O-E-F-A-C-T-Z.com.

01:24 Plug life. Yeah, living the big plug life. So we'll see. And based on, I think, our producers who support this show, who, of course, since we've been gone for two weeks, we'll be thanking them in two different segments because the support has been phenomenal. I got a DM this morning from Hotep Jesus. And he says, really? Yeah, he says, you need to come on the show. Can you come, I think, September 25th? And I said, oh, yeah, sure. And I sent him a link to MoFax.com. He says, oh, yeah. He says, what did he say? I don't want to misquote him.

02:05 I think it was something like, dope. I've heard good things about it. So he said he was going to listen. How about that? Interesting. Yeah. Very interesting. Yeah. So, you know. Make great Twitter feed, man. That great Twitter feed of yours. Very gray. Very, very gray. One more thing before we get started with stuff for today. Noagendameetups.com is where producers of the No Agenda show organize meeting up together. And they're starting to combine meetups because there's such a heavy crossover between the No Agenda tribe and the MoFax tribe in so many different aspects. And apparently there was the second Mo Agenda meetup.

02:49 And I believe this is from Michigan. Hey, Adam and Mo. We got a dozen people here in Michigan celebrating our second MoFax meetup after the Chick-fil-A one in February. Tonight was Popeyes. We love them both. And we just wanted to remind everybody that pay attention to everything and the truth will reveal itself. How cool is that? That's nice, man. Well, I guess you can organize a MoFax or a Mo Agenda meetup at NoAgendameetups.com. Very cool. Thank you so much, guys. All right, Mo, what are we doing? What else we have here?

03:30 Wait a minute. Wait a minute. I have a couple of things on my list. I got to get up there before we get into it. Okay. And it's calls for celebration. Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa. Celebrate. Come on. It's our celebration. Celebrate. What are we doing? What are we doing, Mo? I'm blowing the horns. What's going on? Happy birthday to two of my favorite people. One being you. Oh, you just celebrated a birthday? Yes, I did September 3rd. And the other one is to our only fan, Uncle Richard. Oh! He had a birthday on the 4th.

04:13 Ah, another fine Virgo man like myself. Very nice. All right, Uncle Richard. All right, cool. Very cool. Oh, you know what that means? You know what? This is started. Well, you start with this. Before you know it, we've got a birthday list. It's the funniest thing. Yeah, we could consider that. Yeah, we could. We could. The best gift I could think to give Uncle Richard, our only fan, is for you to spin that wheel. All right. For Uncle Richard, we are going to do the one thing that only really matters. It's the thing that we need to do every single show because what is the topic for today? Nobody knows. But when we hit that wheel of topics, round and round it goes. We find out what we're going to talk about today.

04:54 Maybe Mo knows. We'll find out the topic for Mo Fax of Adam Curry 48. 48 is black on black crime. Okay, it's something liked for today's topic. Nice. All right. Who cares? Everybody take cover. Deep breath. This will be interesting. Yeah. This is why it took two weeks. And it literally took two weeks up until the last minute rearranging clips. Oh, man. Taking clips out. Because, as you know, this is the third rail in racial/slash politics conversation.

05:33 Yeah, and it's something that to be honest. Well, I really, of course, I look forward to episodes like this because this is where I get to learn an incredible amount. But just from a white American perspective, what is often said is, you know, as it pertains to some news report, well, nobody talks about 50 people in Chicago, black on black crime. And how'd I do the voice? Was that pretty good? And I've done it myself. The exact statement is: what about Chicago? What about black on black crime? What about Chicago? Yeah. And yeah, of course. And can I ask you right off the bat, just since that's

06:13 what we do, when you hear someone say, how does someone like me say that? Well, what about Chicago? Does that trigger anything? Do you think, is it something that comes up in your mind when you hear it? It can come across as a cop-out because you don't want to talk about what the topic was on. And two, it's a non-starter. It's to put that on the list of non-starters. If you're going to come at the angle of counterbalancing police violence and police brutality, counterbalancing with black on black crime, the two things need to be discussed independently of each other. They're both a problem. One being larger than the other.

06:55 And surprise, surprise, it being black on black crime is the bigger problem by far. But I would say this oftentimes when it's brought up, it's brought up disingenuously and to deflect from a conversation somebody really doesn't want to have on the topics that's brought up. Well, the way that's the way that I might have used it in the past would be it's interesting you say that. Yeah, in a way to deflect. Hold on a second. Let me just collect my thoughts. No, that's interesting because it would probably be someone saying, well, you know, this, yeah, I think you're right. It would be white cops killing, you know, blacks.

07:36 And then it would be, well, there's only been nine this year. And then, oh, what about Chicago? Yeah, okay. It's a deflection because I think that the there's no willingness to actually discuss. I think it's okay. Here we go. From my perspective, because there never seems to be a willingness to discuss the actual numbers just as a statistic, because the claim from white cops killing black men is disproportionate to black on black. But the conversation you usually go through, well, they only represent this portion of the population, so it should be that, but they represent 80%. I mean, it's all these fucking. The FBI crime stats. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. That's the go-to.

08:20 The FBI crime stats say, you know, so we're not going to use any FBI crime stats. And you asked me a question, I want to answer it. When I hear, what about black on black crime? What about Chicago? Yeah. We know the fax law, the MoFax Law or rule that every racial conversation eventually devolves to Chicago. It's like Hitler on white forms. Everything in black forms goes to Chicago. I got you. To Chicago. But when I hear that, is the way I could hear it, but I dissect things myself personally. But the way I could hear it is, what's one more dead black guy?

09:02 I mean, I'll kill him about a dozen. You know, what's one more? Oh, yeah. I get it. I get like Chicago. And then, what's nine more? What's your problem? Oh, shit. Okay. Yeah. All right. Well, that's good to talk about. That's a good point. This is why we have these conversations so we can demystify and really get to the root of the problem. And it's multiple problems with this topic. But since we brought up the mecca of black on black crime, as the media will have it, let's get right into fighting to stop Chicago's gang killings. Chicago making international headlines this morning after a violent and bloody 4th of July.

09:45 More than 100 people were shot since Friday. 14 of them are dead. Treatings and violent crime have skyrocketed in Chicago for decades. Chicago has struggled to shake off its reputation. reputation for gun violence. While 2014 saw the murder rate fall to its lowest in more than 40 years, since then there's been a worrying increase. In 2016, 762 people were killed in the city, the most since 1996. On the campaign trail, Donald Trump repeatedly lambasted the city. Chicago, what the hell is going on in Chicago? And in June, he announced a federal task force would be sent to assist Chicago police.

10:27 I've come to Chicago to spend time with grassroots organizers who work in some of the city's most dangerous neighborhoods trying to stop the violence. Okay, we are indeed at ground zero. So this is Adam Gabbitt from The Guardian. And a couple of points I want to make in his statement was in 2014, the murder rate had fallen to its lowest level in 40 years. So we got to put these, like, we have to put these things in perspective. Is Chicago violence a problem? Of course. Is it a huge problem compared to the 80s and 90s? Or even if you go back 40 years, not at all. New York, Chicago, D.C.

11:11 used to have, you know, almost double the violence that they have now. Well, it's trending back up, but we have to put these numbers into perspective. Why do you think the shooting and the murder rate has gone up over the past two years? There's no structure. See, it used to be organizations where a few guys at the top, they called everything sanctioned or whatever. But nowadays, you got cliques, crews, and they might all have been known each other, grew up together, and everything. But now they just, you know, they just going, they're warring. They're trying to make a name for themselves. The communities they come up in, they can't get no jobs, nothing to do.

11:53 So they just violate, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. So this is U.S. from the out he's an outreach worker from Ceasefire. And he's just speaking to the really decentralization of these gang structures. And that's what's really causing the uptick that you're seeing now. What do you mean, the decentralization? Can you explain that? Well, before it used to be like militaristic, where you had commander-in-chief, generals, lieutenants, that kind of thing. And it was very organized, structured.

12:33 Now it's more of there is no rank. Oh, it's more. I mean, their rank's still there, but it's. It's more like a flat, flat hierarchy now. Or a feudal system. Feudal system? Okay. Yeah, where you have these pockets of power. And before you had to earn your way up, now it's like, I'm willing to take you out now at 14, 15 years old. I want my respect now. Which we have to look at. Maybe this is a microcosm of the breakdown in the home and no leadership, no patriarchy in the home. There's no patriarchy. There's not even understanding of what a hierarchy or patriarchy is anymore, perhaps.

13:15 Right. And it's dissolved in the streets. Yeah. You know, I mean, the men are even sad to say the male-led structure, even in street gangs, is not there. And I'm going to say something now. I need to say it now. I am not anti-organized crime because I am not a person that, you know, that's not naive. Crime is going to exist in society and civilization. I think when you have organized crime, when it's done properly, it keeps from it affecting the civilians. You don't get random people shot on the street. You don't get children scared to walk up and down the street.

14:00 Because in every society, and this goes back to the black on black crime thing, in every society, there's crime. In every society, there's organized crime. But you don't see dead children of other ethnicities in their communities and on the streets. Like you do see in black and more, and probably brown as well, but not as to the extent it's black. Okay, so I just want to lay that out. So in this case, you're referring specifically to inner sit to black gangs being organized crime. Because, you know, we can't be against organized crime. Otherwise, all politicians would have to go because that's the biggest criminal organization there is.

14:40 But if I understand what you're saying, because the lack of organized crime in these gangs is actually much worse than it would have to be if it was if there was. a leadership structure and there was actually a leader that you could talk to and we could have leaders figuring stuff out. You mean like that? Exactly. And I'm not even pro. I'm not pro-organized crime. I know it's a necessary evil because crime, vice, alcohol, not now, but even in the early parts of America, alcohol, gambling, prostitution, these things are realities. So it's, are you going to have structure to that reality or no?

15:22 Because it's going to exist. And I think what we're seeing now in this modern day quote-unquote black community and black on black crime is the lack, the decentralization. It's kind of like when you take out Osama bin Laden or Saddam Hussein. Now you have eight warlords. Yeah, vacuum. Exactly. Evacuum just filled up a bunch of people. Yeah, I got you. Okay. Clear. That's what you're seeing now. So that's where we're at. So next we have Corey Brooks, and he's the executive director of Project Hood, another organization that's trying to help out Chicago.

16:03 What people I spoke to really want is more funding for community projects. But getting that money can be difficult. Project Hood is a non-profit funded by donations. It gives hands-on training in professions like carpentry and business to young people who have been caught up in gang life and want a way out. Trump has spoken about Chicago in pretty strong terms: carnage, inner city violence. Does he have a point when he talks about needing to send in the feds? Absolutely not. The feds are not what we need. Job creation is what we need. That's the reason why we're building this facility.

16:42 We don't want you to come and give us your government paycheck or your government food stamps. No, we want to create people that want jobs and help people get jobs. That's what sustains people, and that's what creates family. And if we can get a president to do that, I believe that the direction of our communities can change drastically. That was interesting because I don't think he answered the question. I understand his answer, of course, but the question was bring in more feds, which I think meant more police officers. And the guy said, no, no, no, we need jobs and stuff that Trump is giving us. I think that's what he was saying. And Mr. Adam Gabbitt was very deceptive in the way he conflated two questions.

17:21 One was Trump's rhetoric about carnage and violence and those things in nature at X Street. And then he conflates it with his statement about bringing in the feds. Exactly. So it's a very tricky question if you listen to how he asks it. Well, it's from the BBC. We know the Brits are racist. There's nothing new. Of course. And probably WAF, too. I mean, look at that way for the last show. But if you look at it, the question, of course, he agrees that there's carnage on the streets and there's violence or he wouldn't be putting together these projects.

17:58 But I do agree bringing the feds is not the right solution to the problem. Bringing in federal aid, federal programs, job programs, reinstating family. These are kind of things what he was saying. But there is a county commissioner named Richard Boykins that has another solution for Cook County. Far too common in Chicago. Police investigating a shooting here. And heavily armed United Nations peacekeepers operating in some of the most dangerous corners of the earth. Now there's a push to bring them here. Good evening. I'm Rob Johnson. And I'm Erica Sargent.

18:40 A Cook County commissioner wants to get the peacekeepers to Chicago to battle our violence problems. But it would be an unusual move. Consider this from a UN promotional video. Peacekeepers often operate in hostile environments where others cannot or will not go. CBS2 political reporter Derek Blakely picks up our story. They've helped stop the fighting in war-torn hotspots across the globe, from Syria to Sierra Leone. Now, a Cook County Commissioner is appealing for UN peacekeepers in Chicago's crime-ridden neighborhoods. I know that there are those who say that this is an admission that we can't protect the people in the city, but quite frankly, we haven't protected them.

19:22 But one Westside Alderman whose ward is plagued by violence rejects the military analogy. This is not war. I mean, we may have some daunting statistics, but again, military intervention is not the answer. Alderman Irvin says it's an economic intervention, not a military one, that's needed to stop Chicago's violence. Here's a force. of all. I remember this story and I remember laughing about it. Like, what the hell is this? But now, actually, in context of what you said at the beginning of the show, if the numbers were twice as bad in the 70s, 80s, and they came down and then definitely 80s, 90s, yeah, right.

20:01 Definitely 80s, 90s. And so they've come down by half, and now they're trending up. Of course, they're never good. What did they do? Is my question. What were they doing previously that seemed to be working? Is there something that we can point to? Something that it's the Giuliani tactics. Well, that was pretty much. Well, that was Bratton. That was the chief of police, and he came in and cracked heads as far as I know. Right. We're not going to say that the crime bill didn't clean up the streets because, of course, we got millions of people. Well, no, no, Giuliani and Bratton was before the crime bill. That was no, what I'm saying is that

20:45 the change from the rehabilitation, because even Biden's rhetoric started before the crime bill. It was really with, I think it was, what is his name? But I'm just saying Manhattan, Manhattan had changed significantly by 1989, 1990. It was already really changed way before the Democrats started saying we're past rehabilitation. Rockefeller, I believe it was. They said we're past rehabilitation. The Democrats got really strong on crime. That started in the really early to mid-80s. And then it just worked its way up to the crime bill. But the mentality was lock up everybody. And that's what the

21:30 Congressional Black Caucus was calling for. And honestly, that's what the citizens were calling for was to clean up our streets. Now, cleaning up our streets doesn't mean lock up everybody in the neighborhood either. Or bring in the UN peacekeepers. U.N. peacekeepers is maybe a little bit overblown. And I'm glad you got to that point because if people really back up here and take a step back and look what we're seeing here, we're having this super predator narrative reviolate. Oh, Lil Yummy coming back. It's coming right back. And it worked. I mean, look at who was running for office. I mean, to be honest with you,

22:12 that is a deja vu, isn't it? Yeah, thank you. It gets to, you know, and it's weird because I wanted to, I texted you. Who was it in the big article? Was it Yummy? Y'all could remember Lil Yummy. Because I wanted to bring it up on Joe to explain how the math models, kind of like the climate change or, God forbid, the coronavirus models, had miscalculated the danger of the quote-unquote super predator, but that it just was taken for science. Science is right. And then, you know, we're still living with the crap from today. Maybe he's trying to, yeah, maybe it's just a redo. You know, they figured all that shit out. We should do it again.

22:52 Yeah. And this is not only limited to Chicago. I mean, when I was talking about black on black crime, this is a problem in any pocket in America that has high so-called or quote-unquote black populations as we are here in Black on Black Crime Part 1.1. Black on Black Crime. You can find it in almost any major city like Chicago, New York, or LA. But Chattanooga is nowhere near the size, nor has the population of those cities. Yet violent crimes by African Americans against each other in Chattanooga, it's just as bad. In part one of his special report, Eric Abanier takes a deep look into black on black crime and its effect on the African American community.

23:33 He joins us live in the studio to explain. Eric. Well, as journalists, it's our job to report what's happening in our community. And unfortunately, we find ourselves covering black on black violence almost every other day. Now, before we begin, you need to know that in this report we're about to show you, it is very raw and emotional with language that some viewers may find offensive. Trigger warning. Crime scenes like this one play out almost every week in Chattanooga. And the story is usually the same. A disagreement between two black men or a group of African Americans that leads to violence. Some of the victims live, others die. No one knows this better than Celeste Woods.

24:16 You see, nine years ago, her son, DeMan, was shot to death in this East Chattanooga neighborhood. She says she'll never forget that horrible night. And the next thing I knew, I was getting a phone call. They said, DeMan has been shot. And could you come? And this is the area that I came to, that theater. And when I came, that he was, the vote was taped around and he was lying face down in the street. insult to injury, DeMond died on Martin Luther King Jr. Day, the day most Americans celebrate a man who stood for nonviolence. All right, Mo, before you deconstruct it for us, what station did this? What outfit did this package?

24:55 WDEF News 12 Chattanooga source for local news that's local, quick, and quick to the point. Incredibly disgusting to me the way they start off with saying, okay, seriously, this was a mind control thing in what you would call trauma-based entertainment, as far as I'm concerned. The music track that went from some recognizable song. What song was that? What was the track? I think I recognize it. It's not like some crazy old track. No, it was just like a typical quote-unquote gangster music. Exactly. I don't think it's the same thing. It doesn't matter. It sounds like a gas music.

25:39 Yeah, and then we went into some mama comes in. Holy crap, that was mind control. That's all I wanted to say. That was quite disgusting. Yeah, they had the sad chords. I mean, cost with chords, everybody knows it knows music can invoke emotions. Close. That wasn't no sad black mama on TV. It wasn't news, that's for sure. That was programming. But if I said to you, Chattanooga, you wouldn't say to me, black on black crime. I mean, pardon me, ball. Is that the cat that she hit on your shoe? Yeah, that's what I said. Sorry. So this lets you know that it's widespread.

26:22 Yeah. Even not, they want to make it like it's this urban problem. No, it's widespread, and that lets you know wherever a shared mentality or what you want to call culture is that we have this same systemic problem. So with that said, we can get into 1.2. The shooting death of her son was the result of an earlier altercation with this man, Alex Smith, whom police later arrested and charged with murder. Current gang task force coordinator Boyd Patterson prosecuted Smith. That particular case ended with a plea of guilty to manslaughter and a sentencing hearing. So that's what happened. He could have faced, it was between six and ten years.

27:06 But after the sentencing hearing, he was given six years. Authorities say much of the violence playing out is gang-related. According to a recent study, blacks make up 89% of the gangs in Chattanooga, followed by whites at 10.5%. And the number of gang-related crimes rose from 127 in 2007 to 500 in 2011. I want to get some terms straight with you. What is the difference between urban and inner city? Is there a difference? Because in Chattanooga, is that the Chattanooga inner city?

27:44 Urban means black. Whenever you hear urban, that's black. Now, you can say inner city, which is geographical of this, it's the inner city. Right. Now, they can be used synonymously and incorrectly, but when you hear urban, that's targeted towards black people. Okay. So that makes sense. So geographically, you say it's inner, you could say inner city, and that means it's downtown. Right. Yeah, but is what's happening in Chattanooga, is that happening in the inner city? I would guess so. I don't know how you could flay. Because I said, when they say urban, they mean black, even though Chattanooga is not urban.

28:28 Right. Okay. It's a tricky word. It's like, oh, yeah, over there. So over there where the blacks are. It's kind of synonymous with ghetto. Yeah. It's really ghetto. This word needs to be outlawed because it has too many stupid meanings. I mean, it used to be a music style. It used to be just a music sort. That's what it was. Urban, baby. Well, slow down, Curry. No goggles yet, but slow down because we're getting there. I'm sorry, man. I'm sorry. We're getting there. Listen, Grasshopper is too educational. Urban music leads to. Yeah, yeah. Okay. So you have this guy gets six years.

29:07 Yeah. Six years. Now, I can look at it one of two ways. I could say, at least one black guy's going to be out six years. I mean, the other one's dead. Or I could say, wow, is a black life only worth six years in jail? Yeah, do you know that? And this is where this, this is how this gets tricky. But was this second degree? On the side of, that's not what they said he played. It was a plea deal on manslaughter, but I wanted to raise somebody's concern. I mean, raise our awareness, our memory. To you remember Botham John and the female cop that shot him, and she got 10 years, and everybody was all up in arms.

29:46 Yeah, but this guy gets six years for killing another black man, not a peep out of anybody. And he was like, Oh, yeah, we got him six years. I mean, he was bold enough to go on the news and say, Yeah, we gave a guy off murder with six years. And is that now? I had to be cynical. Is that because you want murderous people to be make it back to the hood while they're still in their prime? They're killing prime. Yeah, well, let's talk. Let's talk about it now. Yeah, well, again, a very, very interesting perspective. Um, you said, Wow, is a black life only worth six years? Um, if I had heard that, well, please, I mean,

30:28 because I know a little bit about legal sentences. I'm just saying, from my side, I know, I understand. I, of course, did I did not have that empathy. I did not think, wow, that dead guy is only worth six years. I thought, maybe the way it worked out, the altercation, I don't know what happened. I don't know, the gun went off. I don't know, but I totally understand where you're coming from, of course. That's about the running, that's about the running average, about 10 years for a black life. That's what you get, you know. And these people know this in the streets. I know I sound very calm. This is important. I know what you're going to say now. This is important because that's what's known.

31:10 They know, oh, it's just 10 years, or if you're lucky, six years, recycle, you're out. Is that where that's going? Exactly. And if I'm running a white supremacist enterprise here, those are the kind of people I want back on the streets. Yes, I see the problem. So, in this case, the system is actually assisting this problem by perhaps even trying to be compassionate. It's a mind fuck. And well, and let's say on the other side, say this guy got life in prison. Well, there goes two lives. It's like you can have it either way you want it.

31:51 Yeah, you can. Oh, man. This is why this is such a slippery thing to wrestle because when you, you know, when you throw that, what about black on black crime? Because, and I tried to work this show that I watch, and I have mixed feelings about it called First 48 on AE. And I watch it often because it gives you a good cross-section of criminality, especially black and black crime, that results in murder. What basically the top premise of the show is the first 48 hours after a homicide are the most critical hours. And so they have a lot of inventory with black and black men being killed.

32:31 So, of course, that's going to be the majority of your cases. And it could go either way. You can have these cases where one guy gets six years for killing a black life, or you could have one guy go rob another black guy with another black guy in the car, and they killed the one black guy, and then the other two guys get life without pro. So, just because the second guy went with the, you know, just was tagging along. So, yes. So, but so this now, this is where it gets confusing, and I'm just going to say it. I'm sure I'm jumping the gun. But a big part of today's movement is to

33:10 have police reform and to get a lot of people out of jail much quicker or not even go to jail at all for certain crimes up to incredible levels. Again, that seems like it's compassionate, but from what you're telling me, it could have a completely adverse effect within the criminal circuit. It's like, oh, this is great. We just recycle, recycle, recycle. Thank you very much, BLM. Right. And if your goal is to have more, okay, we already know Black Inc. and BLM's business model fees off of black dead bodies in the street.

33:52 Yes. You need the total number, and then you need the highlight cases that the media runs with by cops. Yeah, I want to say this one thing. Notorious BIG had a song called You're Nobody Till Somebody Kills You. When a black person kills a black person, that's a nobody killing nobody in the media's eyes. It's only when you're killed by a white person or you kill a white person, then you've made it. Okay, now you're somebody. Woo! Because yeah, you make it. It's a very sick. and what problem, this is what I find very problematic is people like Kamala Harris, Barack Obama, all these Soro sister DAs.

34:40 Y'all don't understand the nuance that needs to be had when you're saying who do we lock up? Who don't we lock up? They're just like, oh, let everybody out. And then what happens? The community gets riddled with crime. And then you get the heavy hand of the law coming down. And then you get another criminal justice system. I mean, criminal justice bill. Yeah. And it's indiscriminate. And now black people are being stopped at frisk again. So it's like, where's the nuance here? But nobody wants nuance. Everybody wants dead black men in the street, period. Well, not everybody. On that level. Let me clarify. On that.

35:20 When we speak, we don't talk about humans. I mean, people here. We talk about factions. Yes, and dead black men work for everybody. It works for, it's the salve for all wounds. It's a floor wax and a dessert topping. Exactly. Because you can say, look at this. If I want to say about trans men or trans women, who does it? Black men? So it's like, you're going to see. I don't want to talk to the show here too much, but. Yeah. So in this next clip from the Chattanooga News piece, they talked to somebody actually in the life.

36:02 So we have 2.1. When it comes to black on black crime in Chattanooga, Gang Task Force Community Outreach Coordinator Fred Hauser has seen it all. Hauser believes the problems unfolding on the streets don't start on the streets, but rather at home where offenders come from broken families with little or no guidance. People often point back to the family. Well, when I was coming up, it was a primary family, the mother and father, but it was also everybody in the neighborhood that represent the family. That structure, you know, has broken down. And age does play a role.

36:40 That was confirmed by a man who admits to being gang associated. For his protection and the protection of his family, we agreed to hide his face and alter his voice. It's a myth that, you know, the older you get in being in the game, you know what I'm saying, the more power and respect you got. It ain't about that no more. You know what I'm saying? It's about the nigga who out here putting in the most work. You know what I'm saying? Nigga who pissed for play heavy. You know what I'm saying? Nigga who got a name for himself. So this young nigga be 16, 17 years old and be telling 30 and 40 year old grown what to do. Wow. So that goes to show you about the decentralization that I spoke about previously. That's all about a name. It's not about, you know, it's no ranks. You know, you're going to make it to general or, you know, capo or lieutenant.

37:24 Right. You know, you make it up the ranks and it's no more of that. It's about like basically the wild west. It's the wild west. You know, who's the fastest gun? Yeah, you're in the positive. Who has the fastest gun? Yeah. So looking at this, we have to go back to the super predator meme because that's still alive and well slash the thug life or the thug slash, you know. So this comes from a movie 1992 called Juice, which featured Tupac shit for this one. Sure, sure. And this scene right here lets you into the, and now it's a movie and it's dramatized, but it lets you. Wasn't Kamala Harris in that movie?

38:10 Sorry. I don't think so. I thought you was hanging with Tupac back then. I'm sorry. Maybe she was the lady in the record store with the gold teeth. There you go. Yeah, so in this scene, it lets you inside the mind of what they would say a quote-unquote super predator thinks like. It's over. Everything starts from now. We all go down unless we stay together. Ain't no one man above the crew. You know that shit. Crazy, man. You know what? When you said that last time, I was kind of tripping, right?

38:54 But now, you're right. I am crazy. But you know what else? I don't give a fuck. I don't give a fuck about you. I don't give a fuck about Steele. And I don't give a fuck about Raheem either. I don't give a fuck about myself. I ain't shit. I ain't never gonna be shit. And you mess up a man in me. So soon as I decide that you ain't gonna be shit. shit, so be it. Yes, it's a rom-com, obviously. So, so imagine coming across a person with that mentality that has all the self-hate in the world.

39:40 Yeah. Nobody speaking positivity into him because that's the thing. That was the character of Bishop. His father was a war vet. You know, he's kind of out of it. And he was being bullied by Rodamez's crew, a rival gang. And he was tired of it. He was tired of being pushed around. I'm not saying, I'm just trying to humanize people. And it gets to the point where you have people that's outrightly suicidal. It's like, I'll let society do the job for me of killing me, but I'll take now everybody along the way I can. And that's kind of like the mentality of these people that you come across. The problem with that is they're so far and few between,

40:24 as we pointed out with the flaw, the flaw and the super predator numbers. Yeah. Just because people say they subscribe to this mindset don't mean they actually live it. And you have a lot of kids, including myself when I was young, that would dress the part, that would use the vernacular to play the part because that's what the women were attracted to with the girls. You know, they want the tough guy. I mean, I mean, and this is this is American apple pie. I mean, Fozzie got all the chicks because you know he had he had the leather jacket and the motorcycle. I mean, let's just keep it 100 here. So this is nothing new, but it's this is what's feeding this scenario with black on black crime.

41:09 So I don't know. I want to know what you took away from that scene or what sparked what it sparked in your mind. Well, I think exactly what you said. It sounds like, well, there's now I've met some crazy people in my life. Maybe they weren't in a gang, but they said crazy shit like this, too. And yeah, it's frightening. But if you're going to think that, well, look, this is trauma-based entertainment. All the elements are in there. It's easy to think, holy crap, that's what all the urban areas are like, Kelly. You know, it's like, I don't know. That is sounds pretty desperate.

41:53 And it's very dangerous because when people watch this and then they see me dressing looking like the characters, they just associate. And like I said, all this is part of a bigger plan. We're going to get there. But I found a throwback clip from show 41, and this is Tupac. And he talks about Donald Trump and greed in America. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Can I stop you for a second? Yeah, sure. Well known is the talk that your parents had with you. Yes. Did the talk not at any point say, son, stop dressing like a gangbanger when you go out because you can get in trouble just for the way you look?

42:34 Well, it's not the point about dressing like a gangbanger. It's the point of dressing about dress about the point about dressing about what's hip. I wasn't wearing bandanas and Chuck Taylors and those things. Okay, I got you. But it doesn't take much. It doesn't take much because it's popular culture. Look at the hood. Look at the hoodie. Yeah. I mean, the hoodie's been around since forever, but it's like, okay, we're going to weaponize the hoodie. And I have to say, and then let's, I'll shut up. The hoodie was an exclusive white guy thing. It got taken away from us with Trayvon. It was the Unibomber trademark.

43:14 It was a white, horrible guy trademark. Or the creepy guy with the sunglasses. Like, are you right? That's the Unibomber. I didn't never think about that. That was the Uni, it was our hoodie, man. Thanks. Because that's, yeah, it goes to show you how powerful images are. Because when you said that, the composite sketch of highly pulled hoodie popped right into my head. But now that we say hoodie, we think Trayvon Martin, those things. I mean, we could go down the list. I mean, we black people have taken a whole bunch of, we took weak colored construction boots and talked about

43:55 that was later. But that's okay. I feel good. You know, we've taken so much from the black brothers. You can have the hoodie. Thank you. But the hoodie, I will say this. The hoodie's been around since this era, 1992. The champion hoodie, this was very common. So it was amazing how they started to weaponize it recently with the Trayvon Martin case. Like, oh, it's the hoodie, the hoodie. It's like, oh, but. but we had a clip that we played before, like, I won't let my kids wear hoodies or sneakers. It's like, that's like the teenage boys go-to, is those things. Yeah, and when my dad was a kid, it was the e-boots, the engineer boots, because that was what Marlon Brando had, and that was cool.

44:37 But then you were in a biker gang. So I guess it's a lot of fun. The Fonds, the Fons. The Fons, same thing. E-boots. Yeah, same thing. Okay. Right. Gotcha. So, so now we're getting back to Tupac, Trump, and Greed. This world is such a, and when I say this world, I mean it. I don't mean in an ideal sense. I mean in everyday, every little thing you do. It's such a, give me, give me, give me. Everybody back off. You know, everybody's like, you taught that from school, everywhere. Big business. You want to be successful? You want to be like Trump? Gimme, gimme, gimme. Push, push, push, push. Step, step, step, crush, crush, crush. That's how it all is. And it's like, nobody ever stopped. Just, you know, I feel like instead of us just being like, slavery's bad, slavery's there, bad whitey, bad, whitey.

45:19 I mean, all right, let's stop that. And everybody's smart enough to know that. I mean, we've been slighted and we want ours. And I don't mean by like ours, 40 acres in the mule because we passed that. But we need help. I mean, for us to be on our own two feet, us meaning youth or us meaning black people, whatever you want to take it from, for us to be on our own two feet, we do need help because we have been here. We have been a good friend. If you want to make it a relationship type thing, we have been there and now we deserve our payback. It's like you got a friend that you don't never look out for. You know, you dressed up in Jews. Now America's got Jews and they got paid and everything and they lending money to everybody except us. This wasn't too far, too long before he was shot, was it? This was 1992, so that was four years, four years before.

46:04 So this is, but this is pre, this is pre-jail Tupac, and there was definitely a change that happened there. So maybe one day we'll talk about that. But he makes a great point. That was from MoFax 41. If anyone wants to go back and listen to that more in contact. That was a Thug Life episode. That's right. So you have young black men grow up in America where it's take what you want. If somebody strikes on you, you strike back harder. If they drop two buildings in Manhattan, you go kill a million people. You know what I'm saying? Like, this is the rider mentality. And it's like, when they embrace it, it's wrong.

46:47 Yes. This is one of my biggest, biggest gripes, of course. Because that's all we know in America is just take. And, you know, I mean, when I'm saying corporate America, America, the corporation, it's just take, you know, and that's what I like. I think Trump gets respected at least because he's clear. You want us to come there? What are you going to give us? Right. How about their oil? You know what I'm saying? What's up? You know what I'm saying? You want your streets cleaned up? You know, you want us to bang, bang for your set. You know, what you going to give us? Yep. And it's a certain respect that comes with that. But yeah, so when you grow this up and then these kids are raised by television, you have no father to give you any context, the nuance, or those kind of things.

47:32 Like you said, the talk that you have mentioned before, there's a bunch of talks that go on. This is talks that how to deal with white people. It's talks that how to deal with your own kind. You know, if you're in certain areas, don't go to certain areas that people that look like you. I mean, this talk thing is not only, this talk thing is not only about how to deal with white people. It's about how to deal with threats to your life. That's what the talk is about. Well, you said something interesting because I thought the talk was pretty much about law enforcement. At least, that's what I've been told about the talk. You just said something different. And that makes total sense, by the way. But the first thing you said, the talk is about how to deal with white people. That's interesting.

48:16 Well, that's part, that's one of the biggest. Well, not even white people, it's the cops. Okay. All right. It's white people in general. But what I'm saying, what I'm saying is it's anything that can threaten your existence, whether it's taking your life or your reputation or, you know, impeding you from having a good life. That's all encompassing of the talk that a father has with his sons. And now, let me be clear, I'm not excluding the girls, but girls and women and everybody else has advocates for their cause. This is why this took me show took me two weeks because I'm being an advocate for young men that look like me.

48:55 And I understand I'm lucky to be here. And the reason why I'm saying I'm lucky, I participated in some of the same, some of the same activities, you know, what you call riding. You know what I'm saying? You go out, you ride, you understand, you know, bad license, bad riders. registration, you don't have money. You know, the state's always messing with you some kind of way. You know, right or wrong, I mean, but the state needs theirs. I mean, but when you're young, you don't think about that kind of thing. And I'm just, to be honest with you, I'm one or two bad searches away from being, you know what I'm saying, being a victim of the criminal justice system. So when I speak about young black men, I'm speaking from the heart.

49:40 And I'm black men in general, but especially young black men. I'm speaking for the heart because everybody else has the goal to use them for their own gain. Of course. I mean, I'm sorry if I'm like, no, no, thank you. That's too personal, but it's very much home with me. It's very much appreciated. And as you're saying that, I was thinking that, you know, of course, I think every young man gets into some stupid shit and we do some stupid shit. But I've never done anything that I never got caught. But I also didn't. I'm sure. That's my point. Like,

50:22 but I'm sure of it. I'm sure that I didn't have the same fear that you had. For sure, I didn't have the same fear. What's the odds? It's like, let's take Corona for instance. The more you test, the more positives you find, right? So it's the same thing when you start talking about arresting, pulling over people. The more bullshit you're going to find. The more you. Of course. The more have the roaches you're going to find. It's not like blatant. Oh, I forgot to, you know, have this roach in my book bag or, you know, didn't have time to stop by my locker to drop this off. I mean, just, and really, you know, Gateway drugs. You nailed it. You nailed it.

51:03 Ray drug. The more you test, the more positives you get. You nailed it. It's exactly right. The more you test, and if you're testing a certain group more, you're going to find the shit with them. Absolutely. Now, because that's a topic we share, and I guarantee you, I've smoked more weed than you have. You probably have. Well, I'm just saying that probably better, of course. Okay, now it's that, is it? Damn. No, I'm just that's a, you know, just an inside baseball. The ultimate, the ultimate racism. Good weed. Yeah, good weed was often referred to as white boy weed.

51:44 Fuck, man. Yeah, don't give me that urban skunk, man. I don't want any of that. Shit. White boy weed. You come visit me, yeah, Mo, and we'll show you what that's about. So to get into the mindset of what we would call a thug or a super predator, at one time, Malcolm X would fall into this category before he was enlightened, you know, and brought into the knowledge of self and of the plight against his people. So I have some excerpts from his autobiography written by Alex Haley, and it's written by Joe Morton. And let's just get into 1.1 West Indian Archie versus Detroit Red.

52:27 It was a classic hustler code impasse. The money wasn't the problem. I still had about $200 of it. Had money been the issue, Sammy could have made up the difference. If it wasn't in his pocket, his women could quickly have raised it. West Indian Archie himself, for that matter, would have loaned me $300 if I'd asked him. As many thousands of dollars of mine as he'd gotten 10% of. Once, in fact, when he'd heard I was broke, he had looked me up and handed me some money and grunted, stick this in your pocket. The issue was the position which his action had put us both into. For Hustler in our sidewalk jungle world, face and honor were important.

53:11 No hustler could have it known that he'd been hyped, meaning outsmarted or made a fool of. And worse, a hustler could never afford to have it demonstrated that he could be bluffed, that he could be frightened by a threat, that he lacked nerve. West Indian Archie knew that some young hustlers rose in stature in our world when they somehow hoodwinked older hustlers, then put it on the wire for everyone to hear. He believed I was trying that. In turn, I knew he would be protecting his Thatcher by broadcasting all over the wire his threat to me. Because of this code, in my time in Harlem, I'd personally known a dozen hustlers who threatened left town disgraced.

53:53 Once the wire had it, any retreat by either of us was unthinkable. The wire would be awaiting the report of the showdown. So this is young Malcolm X. He claimed that he hit a number. and the guy that ran the numbers. If I said numbers is a huge component of black culture in that time, not as much now because you have the legal lottery. But he claimed that he hit a number. Archie said he didn't. So now they're at an impasse. And to save face, Archie has to call Malcolm out, who was known at Detroit Red at the time.

54:34 And this thing he referred to multiple times is the wire. Yeah. The wire, the wire. The wire is what social media is now, or what we say the streets. Like they say, the streets is talking. Used to hear the song, heard it through a grapevine. Bird on the wire. This is what they're talking. This was like the social media of that time. And once it got on the wire that you had been played, you have to say face. And that's what it's all about. Now, it's still the same thing. It's not most times not about money. It's about this image that you created. One being Detroit Red, the other one being West Indy Archie, which are

55:17 caricatures, or for lack of, I'll lose, I don't have a lack of a better word, but just caricatures of themselves or alter egos. That's the word I'm looking for. These are all the egos that you build up for yourself on the streets. That's why every rapper has an alter ego, if you notice, and sometimes multiple ones, because it's like you have Curtis Jackson, do you have 50 Cents? 50 Cents can't get played. You know, West Izzy Archie can't get played. Detroit Red can't get played. So now the wire is waiting to see. Right, right. Exactly. Is the wire? So, and I completely understand the wire at that time might have been barbershops and guy on the corner to the next guy.

55:59 Telephones. Telephone. And did now did that come back in hip-hop as like a real wire that ran through the songs, or is it always kind of maintained that street level? And it may be, as you said, social media today. Does it still exist in the old form of the wire? No, well, I mean, it's all about technology and how it could be utilized. So at the time, it was the telephone. Okay. And then when you had music come about, you had it going wax. And you're saying they always say the term on wax off wax, like on wax B. It was just like talking junk. But it would jump off of wax because you saw this with the Tupac and Biggie thing.

56:37 Once it gets to a point, one guy sleeping with the other guy's wife or claiming to sleep with the other guy's wife, something has to happen. I mean, you're at a point now of. It's not really a racial thing, something's got to happen in every group with that shit. Yeah. And I'm glad you alley me because I'm Oopen on home. Boom. It's the same thing with Roger Stone, General Flynn. We don't fold. We don't rat. You know what I'm saying? That's like, there's certain things that the street respects about Donald Trump and his cohorts. It's like, and Cohen was looked at like a rat. It's like, bro. How you going to rattle your man Trump? Yeah, that was a bad look.

57:22 It was a very bad look because it's, I mean, because I'm looking at it through the street's eyes and it's like, no, you, you can't rat. I mean, you, you did dirt with this dude. I mean, you his lawyer, for God's sake. And you out here, you understand, you out here ratting. I mean, but you know, General Flynn, that would be considered soldiers. Right. The irony in that. I mean, but then it could be considered soldiers because they didn't tell. They didn't take the easy way out. You know, they rode. So this face, saving face thing, I mean, it's big in all cultures, especially masculine-driven cultures. So I just wanted to say that. That's a cool point. I enjoy hearing that. Thank you. All right. So now you have West Indian Archie and Detroit Red are bound to have a face-off.

58:07 And we'll hear about it in 1.2. The next thing I knew, West Indian Archie was standing before me, cursing me loud, his gun on me. He was really making his public point, floor showing for the people. He called me foul names, threatened me. Everyone, bartenders, customers sat or stood as though carved. Drinks in midair. The jukebox in the rear was going. I had never seen West Indian Archie high before. Not a whiskey high. I could tell it was something else. I knew the hustler's characteristic of keying up on dope to do a job. I was thinking, I'm going to kill Archie.

58:45 I'm just going to wait until he turns around to get the drop on him. I could feel my own 32 resting against my ribs where it was tucked under my belt beneath my coat. West Indian Archie, seeming to read my mind, quit cursing. And his words jarred me. You're thinking you're going to. going to kill me first, Red. But I'm going to give you something to think about. I'm 60. I'm an old man. I've been to Sing Sing. My life is over. You're a young man. Kill me. You're lost anyway. All you can do is go to prison.

59:25 I've since thought that West Indian Archie may have been trying to scare me into running to save both his face and his life. It may be that's why it was so high. No one knew that I hadn't killed anyone, but no one who knew me, including myself, would doubt that I'd kill. Wow, this is a great story. This goes to show you if this would have gone left, we could have not had one of our greatest leaders in history make it to the point where he was able to realize, you know what I'm saying, who he really was and what value he brought. So this is why I'm passionate about the young men. I think there's a lot of redeemable young men out there.

1:00:11 It just takes guidance. And this is why father, no father in the home and parent families back together, parent privilege is so important. Now we have to get to the so-called white people that love to bring up black on black cars. Oh, hey, no, it's Adam's portion of the show. Okay. Well, no, because I'm messing with you. It's amazing how. Yeah, no, I'm saying it's amazing how black people are demonized when they have standoffs like Detroit Red and West Indy Archie have, but not so much if they're gunslingers.

1:00:56 Okay. Shall we roll it? Yes, please. The tense, prolonged drama of the Western gunfight. It is a scene played over and over, not only in books and on the screen, but also in our imagination. Well, the classic Western gunfight that's in our mind is of two men facing off in the street with a camera angle underneath one person's leg looking at the other one. The good guy, he lets the bad guy draw first, and then, of course, the good guy ends up drawing and shooting the bad guy between the eyes.

1:01:36 End of story. When we think of Western gunfighters, we think of the classic Western gunfight. The problem is it simply never happened. I don't know of a single time in Western history where two guys were actually dumb enough to get out in the middle of the street and challenge each other to a draw. You get killed like that. Yeah, it's so true, though. Yeah, of course. That is interesting. Black cowboy, black guys in cowboy movies, it's never really strange, you know, walking around with guns because they got the hats on or the spurs, and it's all good. Right. Baz Reeves, one of the baddest men ever walked. Right?

1:02:19 Exactly. But as you can see here, all about narrative. Even though it didn't go down that way, they can rewrite history. And that's what happened here. And we're going to look, we start looking at, we ought to look at history. I'm not a big history person, even though I play a lot of clips from history. I'm about what narrative survived from history. That's what piques my interest. Like, why are we talking about what we're talking about now and not the other 10 interesting things that get buried? Who's pushing this narrative? So to explain the Western culture of the wild, wild west, they had to, you know,

1:03:04 civilize it. Like, I'm calling you out. You know, meet me outside a high noon pilgrim. You know what I'm saying? It's like, what? It's like, that's not even how it went down. But the fact that that's programmed into my mind, it's like, I look at black people to do the same thing. Hey, hey, Detroit Red, meet me outside. It's like, oh, I'll just look at them as two thugs. But now, then this is real white supremacy. There's something really honorable about a gunfight the way you imagine it in the movies where they're standing again and face to face. And exactly said that shot from through one guy's leg to see the other guy. That always has like this dueling kind of honest man thing.

1:03:46 You calling me yellow? These terms are just bleed over to our mind. And not a racist term, by the way. Yeah. No, but if you have two black men call each other out in the streets. streets that have honest grievances and they just shoot it out, it's seen as, oh, that's barbaric. You know, this is this narrative that I'm talking about. And the crazy thing is, gloveslingers don't even exist. They're not even a real thing. That's just the movies. The power of the man, the narrative. All right. Are we going to stop? And I want to say one more thing. Yeah, but before I continue on, I want to go back to one point

1:04:26 on the war watch front that we do. So what you have here, the super, the thug is the product of the gender war. And now it's resolved itself in the generational war. Yeah. Because the children have been charged up against men, older men. And that's why you're seeing it play out in the streets. I wanted to make that point before we got away too far away from the West Indian Archie and Detroit red clip. There's always going to be enmity between older men and younger men, but it's only heightened by the mother, you know, shaping the young boy's mind against the older male, i.e.

1:05:09 the father. Right. So I just want to say that point. Yeah, that flows over. Of course, that flows over. So me as like now I'm 56. I'm definitely a guy to be hated. Naturally. I mean, this is part of nature. I mean, the younger bulls and the younger lions, you know, they're going to look to test the older ones. But that's what separates for animals is that when we work with the previous generations and other genders that, you know, make a better civilization and better society. So I just wanted to go back to that because I just want to lay that out because all that we talk about is going to be gender war, generational war, or race war.

1:05:52 Right. So, all right. So let's get into Wild West part two. But there is certainly a grain of truth behind the gunslinger legend. And finding it takes us to the Western frontier in the second half of the 19th century. It was a lawless time when the harsh and grimy reality of life came to favor those who were fearless with a gun. The willingness to step to the edge is what determined whether or not a man had what it took.

1:06:29 If you think of the quote from the novel The Shootist, J.B. Books, the protagonist says, most men will hesitate before they pull a trigger. They'll blink an eye or take a breath. I won't. In the old West, shootist was a common term for the men who made their reputations with guns. The word gunfighter appeared as early as 1870, but did not come into wide use until later. The word gunslinger is probably a creation of the 20th century. Researchers at Merriam-Webster's have traced it no further than the famous author Zane Gray, who used it in his novel Nevada, written in 1928.

1:07:16 The gunslinger, by any name, was the product of a society in which guns were essential tools from the very beginning. Yeah, no doubt that is our culture. That is our American culture for sure. So if you take young men and you show them these images, you have no counterbalance force there to explain to them what they're seeing and to explain to them about being positive or not even positive, but righteous in your actions. I mean, because even when Clean Eastwood came, it's like, okay, I get it.

1:08:01 You know, those guys are bad. Even though Clint's kind of bad, you know, they will hire him to clean up the town. We don't get any of that counterbalance there. Now, I want to go back to controlling language. Gunslinger is a creation of the 20th century. Yes. I've never heard the term shootist before. I had not heard that either. Shootist. No, that was new to me, too. We need to start referring to, you know, black on black. Oh, they're just shootists. It's a shootist culture. You know, something like that. I mean, but it's amazing the narrative of how it can just be explained away

1:08:46 how certain cultures gain their way in America. And it's like, oh, in those rough times, it was decided by the gun and guns were critical tools. And I'm not justifying any of this. I'm just saying this shoot environment. The shootest was a John Wayne movie. Really? Yeah, the shootist. Excuse me. I'm not the film buff. It's not like Sisco and Ebert over here just to date myself. Wikipedia. The shootest is a 76, 1976 American Western film directed by Don Siegel. It is notably known as John Wayne's final film role. And he is John Wayne, Lauren Bacall. He's the shootist. So that is interesting.

1:09:30 But just, you know, just throwing it out there because that always gives us context when we find the roots of these words. And it's the shared mentality of a cow like Billy the Kid and somebody, a young kid now. You know, I have my gun. My gun is the only thing that allows me not to become a victim. And it's me and my gun. Right. That's the mentality. So how can we look down on the premise of how they got there? And also, considering all the things that shape their environment that we talked about in the last 47 episodes. Yes. But hopefully, you know, it explains it a little bit. But it doesn't just stop in the Wild, Wild West either.

1:10:12 And neighborhood turf was absolutely everything. The gang members. And I think probably a good guess for the average age of a gang member was probably about 16 or 17, probably down to as low as 12. I mean, they did every possible thing that you could do. Yeah. At the time, the corruption was unbelievable when you really get into the history of it. But people must be made to understand that all these things are best kept within what I like to call the Tammany family, which is why I'm talking about an alliance between our two great organizations. We're talking about muscle work. That too. Muscle to match our spirit. You won't crush us. The police. Oh, no, Jesus, no. The appearance of the law must be upheld.

1:10:58 Especially while it's being broken. There was a time when the line between criminal and hero and decent human being and not so decent human being were very muddy and murky. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This is from a movie, right? Oh, Liam Neeson. Oh, Liam. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, this is from Gang of America. I mean, excuse me, Gangs of New York. But do you listen to how they were talking about it? Like, oh, yeah, you know, the lines were murky then. And oh, they did everything. I mean, even Leonardo DiCaprio, he chuckles when he talks about it. It's like, oh, yeah, they did everything. So it's this mentality of like every other culture.

1:11:41 And you hear this a lot when you talk about black and black crown. The retort is, well, the Kennedys got rich off of liquor. The Bushes got rich off of cocaine. I mean, and stealing oil and those kind of things. So these people are aware of American history, not the ones in the boots on the ground. But it's a couple things I want to point out in that clip. He says that when I think they're talking to Boss Tweed, and he says, why don't you get the rollers to rollers? I think it's another word for cops at the time. He's like, once you get them to do it, it's like, no, no, no, no, no. We need muscle. That's the third wave. That's the third wave we're talking about.

1:12:23 You're right. It is the third wave, right? Yeah. You want to re-explain it? So the third wave is, okay, when you have a Black Lives Matter Inc. or Black Black Inc. protest, the first wave are, you know, the Black Lives Matter. It's the suburban kids who are who, meanwhile, are underinformed and oversocialized. I think the first wave are the activists or the true hardcore. Well-trained Marxists. By their term. Yes. We're super trained or super versed in Marxism. Yeah, well, they're on the group. They're the first wave. And then you have the second wave are the agent provocateurs, the ones that break the glass.

1:13:08 Now, we've seen that they can come from either side, the right or the left, because we've seen some stories there. But then the third wave are the actual people who... Criminal element. Yeah. Well, let me play it back just to make sure that I got it right because we had this conversation already. I want to know. And the third wave is literally the people who have, in the beginning of the show, we're saying, well, like Tupac said, take, take, take. That's what Trump does. All these guys do it when they get the opportunity. The windows were broken. We didn't break the windows, but now it's open. People are going. We're going to take. This is what everybody does. That is the American way. That I think is your point about the.

1:13:49 third wave. That's my whole point. It's kind of like when they have, you know, we go to other nations, like these non-governmental organizations, there would be the third wave. It's like, you know, the government came in and it destabilized and you know, robilized the word you like to use. But now we're going to clean up. And now, if we have to, now if we take, you know, make a profit off of it, it is what it is. It's here for the taking. That kind of thing. So it's the same, it's the same mentality. But it's just amazing. I want to point this final point out of Liam Neeson. This is the same guy that says after he thought a black man had raped one of his friends or she told him he raped him. He walked the streets for weeks looking for a black man to beat up and attack.

1:14:34 But then he laughs all criminality when it's done by other people. It's just amazing the hypocrisy. So I'm just saying, when you say black on black crime, remember that America is rooted in criminal activity and criminal mindset, you know, from the very beginning because it was strong, only the strong survive. I mean, like, I'm not taking away anything. I'm just saying that's the reason. Let me throw something at you. Let me let me throw something at you. Um, as a so-called white man in America, um, of course, I recognize the criminal activity. And as I said earlier, and she, you know, the play a lot of the political system and elements in politics are incredibly criminal.

1:15:17 It's interesting. I know that if I really had wanted to, or if I was younger, if I wanted to, I know that I could achieve that level of criminality. And I would understand it. And I'm just shooting from the hip here somewhere. So I don't know if it's going to go anywhere. It's like I would be familiar, like, okay, but you know, these are a bunch of douchebags and they're not going to shoot me. The worst I can get from them is they're going to steal from me indirectly and they might send me or my kids off to war. Then when you see, you know, like the like the music videos or Tupac Juice, the juice movie, like, I can never be that.

1:16:00 And I, and it's true, I can never be that because I can never be that, you see. And that is by itself really scary because I don't know what that person is maybe capable of, whereas I can identify with that person over there. And that seems much less. And it's, and by the way, it's truly racist thinking. But that's what it is. It's really interesting. This is systemic. This is systemic racism. Well, system. I mean, we can rewrite history. No, you know what it is? It's just ignorance. It's ignorance. I look at the world so differently after 47 episodes. My life has changed. And I've been doing the work. I'm talking about the people.

1:16:44 I'm talking about the people that says that built the system where you could think that way to think. It's fantastic. It's so smart. It is, right? I mean, genius. Hey, I'm not taking anything away from the architecture of it. I'm just telling you what the system is. And it's, we're designed to say two behaviors will be seen totally different by who's doing the behavior. And this is probably seeing that now. Go ahead. This is probably one of the most important episodes we've done. I know I said it before. But when you come to the realization that the system really has been set up

1:17:25 for you to believe these things. And, you know, obviously, I know a lot of this is reinforced through entertainment and media. But most people can never step back and see that vast difference. There may be people right now listening going, I don't quite get it. I'm telling you. I'm telling you. You have to step back. It's like, holy shit. That's absolutely true. But, and this is the good point. On the other. Go ahead. No, for me, the good thing is when you think about it, when you've had to think about it, your thinking is changed forever. That's good news. Yeah, because you see it from the, and, and, and, likewise,

1:18:09 if you come up on the other side of that coin, you say, how can they not see it? How can they not see it? Of course, of course. But when you achieve a certain level in America and you're not faced with it day by day, then you understand, or some people don't understand. They just say, oh, um, I brought, pull myself up by my own bootstraps. You know, I put myself in this position to succeed. No, you were very lucky because you didn't get the full brunt of what the system does. That's the only thing. Like I said, the only thing that protected me was my. my parents, my parental privilege. That's it. Because they made me realize who I was, what was out there,

1:18:53 how to navigate the system. And I had a lot of prayer people for me. I'm going to just be honest with you because, like I said, one bad turn, and easily you get caught up in that system. And people think, oh, well, you're not getting 20 years for, you know, smoking a joint, but it's a slippery slope. Once you get in that system, you never can get out because it's cubation first. It's accumulative. It's one thing, next thing. And a lot of guys in jail rather just finish their sentence in jail because they understand the system. It's like, I'm not going to your probation or your parole. That's right. Now you want to monitor me for another six years. And the more you test, the more powerful you're so.

1:19:36 So I'll just sit it out here. That's better. That's interesting. Yeah. And it's a real occurrence. But just to get back to the gang of New York. Go ahead. No, I was going to say, just going back to the criminal justice reform, a lot of that is early parole, early parole, early parole, which, if I hear you correctly, in some percentage of cases, maybe majority, is actually bad because that's where you get the more testing, more cases. And there's so much risk without a, I don't know. Just seems like that's where your recidivism comes from. Well, yeah, because the old criminal justice system be like, you do 10 days in jail, pay your fine, and you're done.

1:20:18 But now it's like, no, we're going to give you two years probation. Okay, so you're going to give a 16-year-old two years of call it what it is, monitoring, OTG guy, you know what I'm saying, monitoring, and say, okay, if they slip up, then we're going to hit them with a stemple penalty. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I would rather go to jail for 10 days and just be done with it, you know, if alone didn't affect my record. I mean, my long-term record, I would just rather get it over with, but this is the system. You know, there's no win in this system. Another thing that you don't think about. Now, a good friend of mine did actually go to jail and

1:20:54 white-collar crime. And he went away for, I think, 18 months. And so I got a real, I'd never used, what is it called? Pay message, JPAY, and J message, which is, you know, the jail. Oh, collect calls? Well, collect calls. Oh, yeah, but you have to send it. I mean, that's what I'm saying. You got to send credits to him. And even to reply to a message, he didn't have any email. To reply to a message, I had to give him credits, like a dollar an email, a message so he could send something back to me. And he would write to me. And of course, that would always arrive open and all that crap. But forget that. His parole period and the shackles that he has,

1:21:38 metaphorically speaking, are insane. And it's been hard for him to get his life back together because he was on higher end, he was doing business stuff. So no one wants to do business with him because he's got a record. Oh, he got to check the box. He got to check the box. He's got to check the box. That's right. You can't raise money. He can't raise money through the traditional means because of the box. Yeah. So let me have one quick aside before we continue with this clip about the box. I've known several people to not check the box, show up to work, be great employees, some of the best employees.

1:22:22 I mean, when I was working in warehouses and things of that nature during college, and then they come to find out they run their background check on him and then they walk him out. But I'm like, he wouldn't have made it in the door if he does check the box. Now that he's proven himself to be reliable, probably more reliable than people that didn't have that hanging over their head. And it's like, oh, no, you're a felon. Get him out of here. It's like, but you worked with this guy for two months. I mean, he's a great guy. No, get him out of here. So, like I said, this is the system. This is the system. So let's just get back into the gangs in New York part two.

1:23:01 Boss Tweed, William Marcy Tweed, was himself of Irish stock, man, grew up in an East Side tenement, came up through the ranks and was one of the leading lights, if not the leading light of Tammany Hall. He pulled the strings. He controlled the gangs to the degree that the gangs were an unofficial arm of enforcement. The gangs were not officially on the city payroll, but certainly some of the gangs function as if they effectively were on the city payroll. And they worked for whoever happened to be wielding the most power. That's how gangs operate, you know, besides protecting themselves and their turf. turf, they are available for hire to whoever holds the club.

1:23:45 And since Tweed did, he effectively controlled the gangs. Once again, notice, boss Tweed, this alter ego. Yeah. You know, he didn't go by his regular name. It was ball. I mean, his name had to ring bells in the streets. And so you go by this moniker and your moniker really gets bigger than, you know, saying your personality gets bigger or the persona gets bigger than who you really are. So I'm just, I'm just wrapping it up. Like, when you start, when you start want to start pointing the finger at black on black crime, hey, everybody in America had criminal elements in their so-called race.

1:24:28 So, I mean, so just chill with that. And I asked this question. I don't have an answer to it. But is black people just going through this because we're delayed and we're going through our Wild West phase now? I'm asking. I mean, it's a legitimate question, right? I mean, because at some point you had, you know, the McCoy's and the Hatfields. You know, I mean, these things progressed and then, you know, America became more civilized. So I'm just wondering, is it a delayed effect with so-called black people? I'm just asking. I don't know. I'm not saying I'll be one or the other. Well, let's address it for a second because earlier.

1:25:07 Yes, well, when we played the gangs of New York, I mean, as far as I know, from the time period, there were no black people to be in the gang because they had other jobs, quote, quote-unquote jobs. So that's why they weren't there. So that's an interesting question if that is a process of maturation as a human group, you know, as a human. Because obviously, you're a group of people. You share a lot with everybody else, but shit, yeah, you got a big delay on a lot of stuff. It's very possible. I mean, that's something you need to ask, you know, like Brett Weinstein or something, you know, some social biologist guy. That's a great, ooh, I almost said it, but it's a pretty damn good question.

1:25:53 I don't know. And who knows? We might be on our way to our own Harvards or Yales or Columbias. I'm out in China, and I find that the grandfather of Franklin Delano Roosevelt, his name was Warren Delano, was the opium king of China. The fortune that Franklin Delano Roosevelt lived off of, custom-made suits, nice houses, sailboats, vacations, summer homes. He didn't make that money. He inherited from Grandpa Warren Delano, the opium king of China. Cabot House at Harvard, opium. Skull and Bones at Yale, opium.

1:26:30 The Low Library at Columbia, opium money. If you go on the Princeton website, at least they're honest, they will admit that their first biggest benefactor, John Green, was an opium dealer with Warren Delano. So the book is full of surprises. I'll let you judge. It didn't change my view about America so much. What it did is change my view about American historians. Huh. Right. Should I tell you my first thought? All dope money. Should I tell you when I first thought when I heard that? Back to the maturation process. So let's just say you've got 50 years at least delay in the modern gangster society,

1:27:14 at least. So now you've got a new type of opium. It's fentanyl. And maybe this is your time. This is your time to build up big fentanyl empires. And the Chinese are feeding it. There's only one problem. Okay. Go ahead. There's only one problem. There's no bottom for us to sell to. We were the bottom for all those other groups. Right. There's nobody behind us for us to sell to. So we sell to ourselves. So we're taking money out of one pocket and put it into the other pocket

1:27:52 on the same pair of pants. Yeah. That's all that's happening because I always allude back to this pivotal scene in The Godfather. And excuse me for saying this, but he said, keep it down there with the niggers. That's what he said. The same person made the gangs of New York, Martin Scorsese. So I'm just saying, like, we're at the bottom. And as I'll prove later in this show, black men are the bottom of the bottom. It hurts me when you say that. That really hurts when you say that. But I understand what you're saying.

1:28:34 In a generalization. generalization, absolutely. So, what I'm saying is this: I'm not saying it as a death sentence. I'm just saying that this is the prognosis. It's like this is, you know, you're fighting for your life with whatever ailment. Now, can we win? Can we beat it? Of course. I mean, we could beat anything, but it's like you have to have an accurate diagnosis of the problem before you can even start to treat it. And it is so accurate when you look at what is happening today. I asked Joe Rogan, I said, name one black leader of one male leader in Black Lives Matter. Is there any black man you know who is leading the charge in any type of movement at this moment?

1:29:18 And he said, no. He said, I don't even know who Black Lives Matter's leaders are. I said, you know, colors. No. Okay. He kind of knew that. But yeah, he had to admit. I said, that's the problem. That's the problem. That's the real victim here. And the solution is this conversation we're having here, Adam. First, the white man and the black man have to be able to sit down at the same table. The white man has to feel free to speak his mind without hurting the feelings of that Negro. And the so-called Negro has to feel free to speak his mind without hurting the feelings of the white man. Then they can bring the issues that are under the rug out on top of the table and take an intelligent approach to get the problem solved. That's the only way that they'll ever do it. That's right.

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1:35:08 I guess he has nicknames for us. I canceled some OnlyFan subscriptions and I'm given some value for value. I don't want to feel like a white NBA basketball player with the word ally on my back. Who was that? Who was that? It's one of the heat, I think. Who had the ally in it? The one white guy in the team. Fill in the blank. It's a bunch of, it's like to fill in the blank. It's like, here, you take the ally jersey. Give the ally jersey to the white guy. It's so messed up. It's like, no, this is wrong, man. All right. The ally, the ally hoodie. All right. So, how about us producers working towards the title of Vizier? Visier. Mo showed us.

1:35:52 Well, Mo showed us that it is what boulet simply means. Oh, oh, visor. Oh, advisor, I think. Okay. And advisor to the king, Vizier. Now, we got some levels coming up and a cool idea, which we're not going to talk about today. I think we're rolling them out by 50. Maybe 50 is the right time to roll it out. We got some work to do, Moe. We can milestone. I know, but people have got to understand, like for Chris Malmi and his family, I'll just say it. Mo, he's got four human resources. You know, he's got a job. And I see the preparation he does. You know, yeah. Phew.

1:36:37 There's a lot of work that goes into all this. And we're getting, you know, trying to get the back office together. And we still have to get the PayPal automatic subscription donation set up. And I've also been crazy doing stuff. You know, the new podcasting 2.0, I got to save our asses. So we're working on it. But it took No Agenda many years to get our crap together. But at least we have a few. And that's the beauty of it that everybody's seeing this. We had no plan coming into this. And I mean, each episode, we don't have a plan. It's just, you're witnessing how something naturally comes together.

1:37:18 So it's going to be bumps. It's going to be bruises. But just take, you know, take joy in the fact that you're witnessing something develops from the very ground up. So exactly. Exactly. And we also have to give Jesse Crew some goat mo karma so we can do that. You've got Adam Choi, $100. Hey, Mo and Adam. Ronamo, immigrant here from here for value for value. Ronamo is from Rogan Show to No Agenda to Mo Facts. It is the trifecta. It's almost like, oh, shit, what was that? What is it? Oscar Grammy, Emmy, Tony.

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1:40:48 Exactly. What's said about class sparked thoughts about how the native Maori in New Zealand are seen back home and how the crown system fucked them royale. Yeah. Isn't that interesting how you can apply this to almost every country? The same scenario. The same system. The same system. That's right. That's absolutely right. And Black Lives Matter is in the UK. It's in the Netherlands. It's all over the world. It's not the same problem, but it's the same system being applied. Sending you guys a cosmic love offering from Lockdown. Give me a Mo Karma. And if acceptable, a Barry Obama. Take that to the bank hip-hop version. Do we have that? I don't think we do.

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1:42:55 That's fantastic. I love that. Okay. So that's the value. We just say that. That is the value. It's good because that's the way it's going to go when we all have to work with Bitcoin and Satoshi. So it's good to learn that. The apocalypse is coming. You're going to need a Bitcoin. Did he need anything else here? Was there some other? Yeah, Mo Karma. Make sure we do that, Mo Karma. We didn't have his hip-hop version, but you've got. Mo Karma? What's that? that? We have a new jingle, but we didn't have his hip-hop version. So maybe give him amazing. Oh, yeah. Hold on a second. I got the amazing and the other. Amazing. I'm building up a whole system here.

1:43:36 This is so good. I love building up this show. It's so much fun. All right. On with our next associate executive producer, KR. What do you think doing a roundtable discussion on Joe Rogan's show that analyzes the stats and history of racial issues? I can think of a few experts and personalities, including you guys, that would be interesting to assemble for such a discussion. I'm concerned that too many November voters will be voting based on incorrect stats and incorrect history. You guys have the decency, power, and talent to ease racial tensions and educate America without pushing any particular political goals or preferred politicians.

1:44:15 If this doesn't sound like a lame idea, finer details of the proposal are in my email sent on August 31st. KR, thank you very much. And here's my thoughts on it. And then Mo can let us know what he thinks. So, first of all, I love the Malcolm X quote. It's going to take one white man and one black man to sit down across the table. He doesn't say a group of white men, black. No. This is it. This is the core. This is it. This is it. This is the core of this the mission. If there was any mission. And I love, you know, Dr. King with, you know,

1:44:53 I've seen the mountaintop and judge not a man by the color of skin, but by the by his character. But this is this is where we got to do the stuff. So this, you know, Hotep Jesus is another example of this. It's, you know, different, different. But what's interesting here is what we don't talk about necessarily the issues of the day, but how we got here. And that's what's so cool about it. That's the whole point. Yeah. How do we, how do we get, no, we're peeling back the layer leaf by leaf, layer by layer, to get how we got here. And as you said before, it's a one-on-one thing. It's not one size fit all.

1:45:37 You had to get to know the person. How can you judge them by the content of the character if you don't know their character? Exactly. Or their background or where they're coming from. Just where they're coming from. Thanks, KR. Another associate executive producer donation. Of course, these are from over two weeks, and it's so appreciated that you've carried us over. So it's a little bit long. We've broken it up into two segments. And we are at Joseph DiVaniero, who got $75 as well. Mo and Adam was catching up on old episodes. Episode 9, One Drop was the title of that. Reminded me of a colorism experience I saw while working in New York. Two women I worked with were black and had a darker skin tone. I remember one of them would always make fun of Drake and how he and his music were light skin.

1:46:22 Also, when either of them would excessively complain or whine, the other would tell them to stop acting light skin. I appreciate all you guys have taught me so far. Found the show at episode 37. Can't wait for what's in store for the rest of the back catalog. I thank you guys for keeping my amygdala small and all the intentional misinformation from the M5M. I don't know if this is possible. I'd like to start the petition to get Mo on an agenda of Rogan. Would love to see this conversation Mo and Joe would have. Let me tell you, my mission is to get Mo to that level and far beyond. So I'm not targeting any way. I think if we do our work and we expose what we're doing and producers do their work and expose and propagate, let people know about it, everything's going to fall into place exactly the way it should.

1:47:09 You want to respond to the light skin acting thing? Just another form of the racial war. Yeah. A lot of times you're going to find out the racial war is really a civil war. You don't really have a lot of interracial war going on. It's really intra-racial. Intra. Intra-racial. Yes. A. Yes. Exactly. David Roll. That's just another example of it. This is another example of colorism. Yeah, it's exactly what it is. And it's everywhere. It's in so many communities. 75 Associate Executive Producership for David Roll. 66 for Curtis Collins. Much love from Jan and Kurt. Love the show. Doing the work.

1:47:53 Saves us from the killer vaccine. Kanye King 2024. And Adam, let's get a swamp thing ISO, please. Rock and roll. Oh, my goodness. That's pretty bad. Okay, let's see if I do. Do I have the swamp thing? I don't think I have. Geez, I do have that. What is this? I'm blado. I have the bladder, the blotto. That was really blotto. Is that what is this? Maybe this is it. You see, I know you're not real, man, because I'm loaded, okay? I've had some experience in that area. Besides, that whole rap of yours is bull anyway, good, evil. It's all the same crap. Rock and roll is the only thing that counts.

1:48:36 Dig hard ass, blistering, awesome, heavy metal. Rock and roll. That was from my huge acting career as Nathan, the rock god on Swamp Thing. Hey, just a little SI Mo, a little Mo SI baseball swamp thing scared the crap out of me as a kid. I could traumatize you with my episode. It's so good. Man, that thing creeped me out. Oh, man. Thank you very much, Curtis. $60 from Drake Biscardi from the Davis Dragon in the name of his smoking hot wife, Amy.

1:49:17 It's a family affair. Revolving donation to come soon. Let us know how. Yes, that is getting done. This show is worth a hell of a lot more than the damn Netflix donation I give every month. Oh, man. Thank you, Drake. It's appreciated. Sarah Gardner, $56. Open my eyes, Mo. And belated birthday to Adam. Thank you. We've got Timothy Pierce. Love you too. Reside. Keep making the word flesh. Okay. 55.55. Indeed, indeed. Yes. And we have another anonymous donation. 53.34. Mo, I've been very impressed with the work you and Mr. Curry put into the show. It is very thorough and eye-opening as to the race, class, and gender divide that is U.S.-based.

1:50:00 As we know now, it's not just all U.S. based. Much of it is eminently transferable to other shores. That's right. I certainly noticed some crossover in Britain, but our problems are also different in subtle ways. I would like to plug Akala's book, Natives, for those who want to understand the UK imperialism. He is also an excellent speaker on many subjects and is worth following. Being this is donated in sterling, I have no idea what the conversion of the donated amount will end up. But Mr. Curry will be pleased to hear that a proportion of this is provided by a value-for-value guitar lesson I did under lockdown. They're both pleased with that. Anyway, I've sent you a very long email that was inspired by episode nine, the subject that is ever-present but not often discussed in most all British media, let it know elsewhere.

1:50:46 I will outline here just a teaser, which is Welsh, not typically, which is N-O-T, I guess. The knot was a piece of wood, a ruler, or stick, which was often inscribed with the letters WN. This was given to the first pupil to be heard speaking Welsh. When another child was heard using Welsh, the knot, N-O-T, was taken from its current holder and given to the latest offender. Whoever was in possession of the knot was encouraged to pass it on to any of their Welsh-speaking classmates by informing the teacher they had caught someone else speaking Welsh. The pupil in possession at the end of the day was subjected to corporal punishment or other penalty.

1:51:26 Man, the mind control is strong. This is crazy. Keep doing the work. Let me say something. Let me say something about the Welsh who live in Wales. When I was flying in the UK, I had a flight instruction, you know, and flight pilots, you know, and he would go with me more as a safety pilot because he knew the area, which I like having a safety pilot who knows the area and has been like an airline transportation pilot. And he says, the one thing you got to know here in the United Kingdom, in Britain, what's that? If you need to make an emergency landing anywhere but Wales. So that mind control has kept on going through generations with that kind of stuff.

1:52:13 Keep doing the work. I look forward to throwing more money your way when I have the resources. Jingle-wise, a good Mo Karma will be appreciated. Okay. All right. So I will make sure that let me just say here. And we have an anonymous. Hold on a second. Okay, let me just set some and we're going to continue. $53 from Andrew J. Well, I should probably wrap that last one up. And thank you again. So, thank you again so much, Anonymous. Andrew J. Giannettio, who is another Ronomo listener. Keep up the good work, gentlemen.

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1:55:01 So Kanye just might be quote the lunatic we're looking for. And she has a link that there is some evidence. Psychology today. I'm going to put that in the show notes. Hopefully, my docham did. I should have made it through PayPal. Yes, it did. Thank you so much, Lindsay. We really appreciate that. I'm going to make this note here so we get that in there. And gosh, we got to, this is so much today. We got a couple more associate executive producers. Colin Howard, Moen Adam, thank you for all the eye-opening paradigm shifting discussions and deep dives into racial topics that are never touched on by the bullet-dominated MSM. You are truly doing the work in showing how incomplete our national conversation on black and race issues has been. LootSafe.org. This is great.

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1:56:26 You've got to see this. You have to see lootsafe.org. It is so funny. You can rent out your apartment or your office for people to loot. So, you know, you actually, you know, you're walking the talk. And as the bonus as a bonus, we've registered GucciReparations.com in honor of the God humor. That's one thing. If you let us, if you stop shaming us, Americans have great senses of humor, and it's a healing power when we throw our humor smack down, is my opinion.

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1:59:13 Thank you so much. And those are our associate and executive producers, associate executive producers, executive producers for episode 48 of Mo Facts with Adam Curry. We will be back with more people who came in under the $50 level. But first, a reminder that you can support us by going to mofacts.com or directly to the donation page at mofundme.com, M-O-E-F-U-N-D-M-E dot com. Now we have to get into the mindset and the system that we referred to earlier that's being played on so-called black people.

1:59:50 So there's this very popular YouTuber called Days of Noah, and he speaks about this phenomenon in Reliving 2016 and Jacob Blake. Let's break down the confabulations here. First and foremost, in order for blacks to have a respected voice, we must demonstrate a balanced and unconditional concern for our community. As a group, it has miserably failed at this required step. How? Well, let's focus on the word unconditional. We seem to only have rage against injustice under specific conditions.

2:00:30 These are if a non-black or white action violates a black body, though we by habit tend to ignore when we violate our own. There is a curse of enmity between us spiritually and an engineered psychological trauma induced systemically. But that life shall hang in doubt before thee, and thou shalt fear day and night, and shall have none assurance of thy life. See, blacks have become an astonishment, a proverb, and a byword.

2:01:08 Blackness is bought and sold as a product. Generationally, our culture has been and continues to be formulated through the establishment media machine. And visuals of cops killing blacks is just part of the psychological traumatization, which in turn produces a black victimhood and perpetuates a state of generational victimization. I think I've seen this guy. Maybe the Twitter algo threw me that or something. Tell me again what the YouTube channel. I want to make sure we have that in the show notes. Days and over. This is D-A-Y-Z

2:01:47 of Noah. That's N-O-A-H. Okay. Very, very deep brother. Has a master's degree in sociology. It doesn't matter what his credentials are, but just to make sure people take him seriously, because when you say YouTuber, that smacks of a certain better than podcaster. Right. So they want to put you in a box, but you have some very serious people, as you're going to hear later in this episode, on YouTube making a case for the young black male and the black male in general. Yes. And as he stated here, the only time, as well, I was alluding to before, the only time it really matters is when somebody of non-black descent kills a black person.

2:02:31 So we have to be unconditional with this. So now we're getting to the portion of the show where, yeah, what about black on black crime? Because I mean, that is coming from people like him, myself, that are serious about having that conversation, not using it as a tool of deflection. We really have to look at what's going on here. So he broke it down. He was like that basically. the trauma feeds into making us victims. The victimhood feeds into devaluing our life, and then it results into a devalued life, sees another person as devalued life, like we saw in Juice saying, I'm not it.

2:03:17 You know, saying you're less than me, you know, so I can take you out anytime. That's that's the cycle, and this is why you see over and over again black, young black men callously taking other young black men's lives. So, I mean, it is a realization, and we spotted the system now. It's just bringing attention to this system that's been identified. So, now we're speaking of juice, he makes a reference to that as well in this next clip. Oh, but you blacks keep killing other blacks. Why don't you ever address that? We hear that all the time. Uh, though, this is true, and um, one of my uh personal arguments as well, I understand why, and this why is rarely addressed.

2:04:03 So, let's address it. Let's put this argument to bed for good with three words: pathological, generational desensitization. See, through generations of socially pitting blacks against blacks through pigmentation, class, and the phenotype, a self-hatred is psychologically created. If you hate yourself, you will hate your brother and your sister. In addition to this internal abuse, externally, blacks have become desensitized to killing other blacks through a strategic and ubiquitous, debased death culture, a culture of death where murder and intra-cultural conflict is

2:04:52 glorified. If you got the juice, you get the respect. And as he said, it's a generational thing, it's you know, it's constant generational desensitation. Yeah, uh, it's I, I, I, I'm at a loss for words because here we are. I'm you have young black men dying in the street, no one really cares except for how they can extract it and use it for currency to push their own narrative and causes if they died in the right way, and as and exactly.

2:05:34 And as he said, as the uh producer wrote in the letter, you hear people say, Oh, you're light-skinned, you know, you're acting light-skinned. So, you have all these different fractures and battling points. You know, you're light-skinned, you're dark-skinned, you're at dark-skinned, black is ugly. You know, this is within the race. We haven't even stepped outside and started talking about inter-racial relationships. This is all intra. And this is what devalues the, you know, devalues black life in itself. And if you notice, black lives matter doesn't say black people matter or black men matter, it's black lives.

2:06:16 Lives is a product now, it's a product, it's just like MLK or anything else. It's you know, um, how does it impact black lives? I mean, no, how does it impact humans, people, you know, but they don't they want to dehumanize them for their own purposes. And like I said, we'll get to that later. It's a very sophisticated productization, yeah, because who are we talking about? We say lives. I mean, you could we heard even we even heard them say when they talk about what they're trying to change at their tech talks a while back in a few shows.

2:06:53 I mean, like early on in the making of the show, they went off on global warming and all these other things, but never said black men, never. And I know I'm harping on black men. No, no, no, no, but I want to thank you. Thank you again because this because that's something that's so bothersome about black lives. It is actually a degenerative generalization. Black people would have, you know, of course, that somehow would be racist, I'm sure. But they'd never, it's dehumanized by say, because what are the other, you know, it's like so many lives were lost on the good ship Titanic.

2:07:35 You know, it's like it doesn't really personalize it in any way. And what it also does when they say Black Lives Matter, you can move the goalpost. Because, yeah, we brought you, it's like the, what's it called? The lost leader. Black men are the lost leader. It gets you through the door. It's like, oh, yeah, come on in. Now let's talk about transformation. trans lives and let's talk about how global warming affects people of color. And, you know, it's like it gets you in the door and you can shift what lives mean. Uh, when you talk about that's very important point, that's a very important point because they don't want you right in the face. But it stares you right in the face, you never think about it.

2:08:20 Yeah, and I understand, and that's what's so frustrating for black men. It's like, do y'all not understand? But now, when it starts to affect other demographics, people start realizing, like, wow, you know, or we start to get a voice because what happened is here before with the bullet, they could pick who they want to talk for us, right? But now, when you bring up this top topic of black on black crime and death of black men and things of nature, you have people like Days of Noah, other gentlemen that we played on the show, even myself, say, No, no, no, no, no, you're not going to control the narrative about us. We're going to control this narrative. That's what caused the political fraction in the Democratic Party or the black voting Democrats.

2:09:03 Because black men say, No, if it doesn't address us, we're not for it. You know, usually they just tell us to shut up and vote. I mean, you heard people say those little words of shut up and vote. But now we're saying, No, unless it addresses us, unless it's tangible, unless you have a tangible way you can drive down the number of lives lost, we will take it from here. We'll talk for ourselves. I think it's lives, it's lives saved or created. I believe is this term. Like jobs, jobs, lives saved or created. That's how politicians measure stuff. Yeah, yeah, that is good.

2:09:41 But just so you know, because of course you know, but I want to reiterate it. Right. So, black men are saying, why don't they see what's going on? Because we literally didn't. Because we're all wrapped up in our own shit, obviously. And in all fairness, the people doing the speaking inside those rooms were not allies to us, black men. No, of course not. Even though they shared the same pigment and melanin in their skin, it's like we're going to for our agenda first. You know, we have a opportunity here. And just to foreshadow a little bit, we saw this with the VP selection.

2:10:22 It wasn't about stopping black men getting killed. You know, I mean, it was like, we want a black female president. I mean, vice president, excuse me. But we'll get to, we'll get there. But let's let Days of Noah finish up speaking on creating culture. See, decades upon decades of this type of detrimental programming has rendered the black culture into a zealous Ouroboros taking pride in eating its own tail. This is why it's so easy for blacks to kill blacks and not feel injustice.

2:11:01 Because for decades, black-on-black conflict has been justified through establishment-controlled media, major motion pictures, and the music industry. We can always refer back to our studies on Plato, our studies on Algis Huxley, and many others, and their focus on how music alone has a spiritual power and can literally condition the spirit and the mind through sound and melody. These things aren't to be debated. This is why the music industry is so heavily utilized to socially engineer the public and create culture single-handedly.

2:11:45 He's good. That guy's good. I like him. There you have it. They've used culture or so-called culture. I mean, it's a very toxic, really, it's a culture of death. And I want to say this: it's a cult of death. Let me let me correct that because Kalima. Remember, thugs come from Thuggy. Thuggy comes from India, which was a cult that worshiped Kalima, which was the destroyer god or goddess, however you want to look at it. And this death cult continues on. Now you have black men calling themselves thugs and they kill their deaf cult because that's all they're taught through music, film.

2:12:27 I mean, we would dressed it here, juice, hip-hop. I mean, we addressed all of this. But I know you people are saying, well, that's a YouTuber, Mo, and you're a YouTuber, too. So let's go to the real serious people in the field. His next set of clips is from Tom Burrell. I don't know if you ever heard of him or not. I'm probably sure you have, but I'm not sure if you're you. big ad, big ad guy. Big ad. Yes, I'm Burrell. Yeah, I know exactly what you mean, of course. Yeah. He is Thomas J. Burrell, the founder and chairman emeritus of Burrell Communications Group, one of the first black-owned and operated advertising firms in the country.

2:13:07 Started in 1971 to target the African American market, Burrell Communications has conducted advertising campaigns for such major brands as Marlborough, McDonald's, Coca-Cola, Johnson Products, and Verizon, and helped revolutionize the image of African Americans in television advertising. He was inducted into the American Advertising Federation Hall of Fame in 2005. And since retiring from Burrell Communications, he has used the information he acquired during his 45 years in the advertising business to address some of the major challenges facing African Americans today. Yes, I remember the agency Burrell McBain.

2:13:51 That was the agency. That was this famous, famous agency. And they were actually a competitor to my company at the time because we were with Omnicom and they sold to Publicist. Yes, a legend in advertising. Cleek Cleo winner. He won a Cleo thing back in the 70s early 60s. Oh, yeah. Oh, he's with the McDonald's spot. He sold McDonald's. He sold McDonald's. That's right. That's right. I remember that. Which makes me look at him side-eye. I mean, like, my Boule meter. You know what I'm saying? I got it all fired up. Well, yeah. We're going to let him talk. I mean, but when I start to look into the Burrell

2:14:35 advertisement, communications, they did an ad for McDonald's recently. It was called The Good Fight. And it said the spot featured a real-life boxing coach and his daughter as he literally puts her through the paces with the message that better does not happen overnight. And it goes on down. It said, This spot, it says, as a parallel, McDonald took their classic chicken nuggets to the next level by taking out artificial flavors, colors, and preservatives. It says the spot also aired on the 2016 Olympics in Rio amidst the black girl magic. So here we have it. We can't have a black father and a black son going through the paces.

2:15:18 I also question him like, okay, for 45 years, you sold these little nuggets with artificial flavoring and coloring in it. So I'm just saying, I got to be fair when I look at these people. But we're going to let him speak. And he has some valid points to make. One being on the false advertisement of race. That's the topic of his new book, Brainwashed: Challenging the Myth of Black Inferiority, which was recently published by Smiley Books. Welcome. Good to be here, Cheryl. Tom, in your book, you try to answer a question that has bedeviled many people before you, which is: why do African Americans continue to lag behind other groups in so many aspects of American life?

2:16:04 And your conclusion is an intriguing one: that a 400-year-old marketing campaign to promote white superiority and black inferiority has resulted in a deep-seated, internalized black inferiority complex that is keeping African Americans from achieving many of their goals. This is the brainwashing you're talking about in your book. Yes, Cheryl. America has been sold a bill of goods through false advertising. The myth of black inferiority, the big lie that there is an inherent inferiority that exists within a race of people.

2:16:47 That is something that has been created in order to justify, originally justify slavery within the democracy. And we see it borne out every day from morning till night throughout our media. Media is the major carrier of the message. The media is the message. Hey, wait a minute. Is he flip-flopping now? What's he doing? He's like, hey, by the way, all that stuff I did, that was really bad, and someone else did it, I guess. No, he what? Okay, let me explain to him. Let me grab my Boulevard back here.

2:17:28 Oh, all right. Put it on right. You got it on right? Okay. All right. Wow, Hans. Yeah, I got it. You look so powerful. Hans, right? You look so powerful all of a sudden, Mr. Mobile. Thank you. Thank you. What the Boulevard tries to do here is at the 45. 45 years of aiding and abetting the system that we spoke about, which let's be honest here, white supremacy, as we define it on the show, the system. After 45 years of supporting, aiding and abetting it, and even, oh, as she said in his bio, revolutionizing how blacks are seen in advertisement. Now, I didn't say positive, negative, but he's just revolutionizing it.

2:18:10 It's revolutionizing either way, sure. Right, right. Either way, she didn't really say what she's trying to do. Keep that bulet hat on. Keep the bulet hat on. Yeah, so what I have to do is say this. See, Adam, my children don't suffer from the black inferiority complex, you see here. So I want to point out they're different than most common black folks. Oh, okay. I got it. And so I had to do this sweet little trick here where I won't point back to the history of the television to now. I'll jump all the way back to slavery. You see, he's absolved himself of any responsibility.

2:18:53 Yes. But I say, oh, it's slavery. It's not, you know, father not being at home. We're selling you poisonous food like with the Bliss Point, the sodas, music, television. No, it's not none of that, Adam. So I'll take my bulet hat off. That's what he's trying to do. Take your bullet hat off. And I just came up with a, well, I'm a conspiracy therapist, so I'm analyzing the situation. In 2013, Burrell, I think, Burrell Communications, so no longer Burrell McBain, but Burrell Communications launched Rising Tide, a aspirational social network for millennials sponsored by Tide.

2:19:36 And I know a little about Tide. Ty Hamilton in college, my roommate, he taught me about Tide. So is it possible, though, that to flip the tables and just kind of like a wink-wink, nudge, nudge, that he continued with the Tide account and created a covert campaign that featured dumb shit white kids eating Tide pods? Do you think that that could have been something he had up his sleeve? I'll have to look into that. It's quite possible. But what took me when you said rising tide. Oh, yeah.

2:20:18 That's the non-starter. I know, isn't it? Remember, that's the non-starter that, you know, this is where they're antiquated. This goes to show you that their mindset is antiquated. It's not meant for the 21st century. Right. Well, the guy is. But what they have to do is go back and rewrite history as we've seen with gunslingers and everything else. It's like, no, no, no, no, no. It wasn't the Coca-Cola and Marlborough. Oh, of course. All these things that we saw the black community is slavery. That's the problem. He's which. Yeah. Go ahead. So it is a claim. Now, people say, well, Mo, you're pro-reparation. That's because it's a legal claim there. What I'm saying is that, and I've said this before, and I'll say it again.

2:21:00 I don't care how much people get upset. The narrative of slavery is just as dangerous as the act itself because it feeds into self-victimization. It bombards us with images of carrying out this whole myth of black inferiority daily, hourly, by the minute, constantly reinforcing it in all these different ways that we talk about in the book. And these are the kinds of subtle images that we're constantly being bombarded with. And basically, they've been effective, is what you're saying. They have been. It is the most effective advertising campaign in the history of this country.

2:21:44 The myth, selling the myth of blacks being inferior. And that's part of the brainwashing. But that's not, but that part is not necessarily coming from the white culture, isn't it? Isn't that coming from the black culture? Well, the thing about brainwashing, Cheryl, is that once a principle of brainwashing is that the brain washed becomes the brain washer. Becomes a brainwasher. Okay. Right. The hurt hurt. The abused become the abuser. That is a natural component of brainwashing.

2:22:26 And so in all these areas, we, at some point in our history, have taken on our own victimization. We take it over. Oh, man. This guy not only, he's still doing. doing this. He still has a full-on agency that is driving change for social justice, inequality, and protecting our green spaces. Right. But the self-victimization, like you said, that's what does it feed itself. Yeah. And you could probably program it with some colors. But isn't that what we call my control? Yes, MK. Oh, MK Ultra. When we say these kind of things,

2:23:09 now, but we have somebody behind the curtain. Tom Burrell was in those rooms making no decisions on what images to show black people, what would resonate with black people. You know, so he's part of the problem. But now I think with any bullet member, they get a guilty conscience. They need to rewrite history. They get into the, we all do it when we get old. You know, we want to right our wrongs, but at the same time, he doesn't want to take the responsibility for his actions. So they want to jump all the way back to slavery. Yeah, it's always back to slavery. It's like, no, let's start with it. Why from slavery to the 1950s did we thrive?

2:23:52 He wants to. He wants to get away from it. His part of it, obviously. Well, it's two things. One, he wants to get away from it, but also, too, he doesn't want his children to bear the weight of blackness. You're going to come to find out a lot of people don't want to use and carry that term black anymore and what comes along with it. So you have the bullet pulling away from the common black people or the ordinary black people. Then you have black women pulling away from black men. Like, oh, they're the problem. They're the ones really killing each other, not us. Let us into whiteness. And when I'm talking, I'm not talking about everyday running the meal black women. I'm talking about that COVID that you're saying concocted.

2:24:36 Yo, we want a female vice president. That's what we really want. That's really going to show the change. They want to pull away from blackness. That's the thing. And the rich want to pull away from blackness. And now all you have left is this subset of black men. It's like, oh, yeah, let's, yeah, let's use them. Let's kill itself. It doesn't matter. It's still useful. Yeah. Yeah. Jeez. Well, so, but it this is, it is so. You got to laugh. You got to laugh. You got to laugh. But, you know, now the so black Twitter, of course, I get, I got great Twitter. Man, we got to really examine some black advertising.

2:25:20 Look, I work with this guy's agencies. You know, I'll find out what account it was. We had some crossworks. I had a pretty big company back in the 80s, 90s. But now we really, and I feel very responsible for some things, MTV, for sure. But we got to look at what some of these, because, you know, you have McDonald's. There's so much incredibly, you know, images. Listen to the brands. Coca-Cola. Yeah. Yeah. Diabetes. Yeah. McDonald's, diabetes, hypertension, Marlborough, lung cancer. I think there was an alcohol company, and I'm not mistaken. I don't want to put that on if I'm not for sure.

2:26:01 I'm just saying, but look at all these companies you advertise for to what? To market to black people that lead to comorbidities that leave us ripe for when a pandemic comes. This is what happens. So the blood is on your hands. I don't want to put this on you. It is what it is. And then you have the only way you can exist as a black man now in America is to be afraid of your life, be afraid for your life. Check it out. Planned Parenthood. It's one of their clients. McDonald's, you're right. What is this? Seagram's Escapes. Liquor. Cirrhosis of the Liver. Coca-Cola. Alcoholism. Glaxo Smith Klein. That's the remedy to the shit you get from the other clients.

2:26:46 Exactly. So self-heating. But here it is. Infinity LGBTQ. I'm sorry. Xfinity LGBTQ is a Comcast channel, I guess. Yeah. Okay. It's fascinating. We need to. This is going to be a 13-hour show. This is just too good this stuff. Okay. I don't mean to drag it out, but let's get into his take on studs and sluts. Another area you talk about is relationships between black men and women and family dynamics.

2:27:29 Certainly, relationships between black men and women are known to have been troubles. African Americans certainly have a lower marriage rate than any other group. We have a lack of stable families, which has a big impact on both black children and adults. You say that this is partly the result of popular culture, which promotes black men as brutes and black women as sluts, the studs and sluts campaign. So you fast forward 400 years, and this theme seems the studs and sluts theme seems to be carried out certainly in the music videos, which are produced and acted in by black people. Yes. Yes. And it's, you know, it's really,

2:28:14 I want to believe that it's a malignant kind of intention. I believe that it's insensitive. We have been conditioned to victimize ourselves with the use of the N-word, denigrating misogyny, denigrating our women, killing each other. This is part of the conditioning that nobody wants to talk about. Mo. Yes. Now I feel. Now I see why. Yeah. Wusa. Wussa. Woosa.

2:28:59 Woosa. And a goat. And a goat. Damn. That blew my mind. That blew my mind. Adam, one question. Do you know what the number one song in the country is right now? Or was maybe a week ago? I mean, what it was or what it whap, you tell me, Mo. And does that not align with the studs and sluts narrative? Yes, Cardi B for anybody who is not Hiplo. And Megan, and Megan thee Stallion. Oh, Megan the Stallion. Some of the vowels. And like I said, I don't know. I don't, I'm not, I'm not easy to make blush. But I finally heard it like on the radio. I'm like, oh, yeah,

2:29:43 the lyrics. I mean, forget the video. The lyrics are, I mean, that's not just suggestive. And white girls will defend it. And white presidential candidates will go talk to these people. Bernie Sanders, you're right. And Joe Biden. You know what? When I called out a couple of my favorite millennials, white girls, and I said, why is this okay? What they said back to me, fair enough, was we've been hearing the same crap from black men for years.

2:30:26 Fair point. Don't make it right. Of course, two wrongs don't. That makes everything right now in America. But yeah, it doesn't make it right. You're absolutely right. And this is the point of women in society, the point that makes them so important and the value, you know, they make us civil. As we talked about the Wild West, it was like, who had that fastest gun? You know, if it's there for the taking, we're going to take it. Women keep us civilized in a way. You know, they keep us from that caveman mentality. Hopefully. Because, you know, they say the hand that rocks the cradle rules the world. So a mother teaches you, hey, don't take.

2:31:07 Say, be nice, say please, those kind of things. So if you're raised up in a WAP household, Jesus Christ, without a father? And do you wonder and you wonder why? But don't take my word for it. Listen to White Mike. Now, in this time, I learned a lot of beautiful things about a lot of beautiful people. I learned a lot of ugly things about myself. And I learned a lot of dark things about the nation in which we live. But I also learned that I, being white Mike, specifically the white part, have a lot of power. White Mike has a question today, and it's this: How come when you turn on the radio in Jacksonville or New Orleans or Chicago or Little Rock, the only people on the radio that talk about how great it is to kill each other are black?

2:31:54 How come that exists? 15 stations on a dial, go up, go down. The only people on the radio bragging about getting automatic weapons, gunning each other down, are black. This right here is a song. My pastoral vocabulary won't let me read the title. But I will read this. Catch a young black male not paying attention at the red light with your AK-47. Let me see you shoot it. You're a killer, you're a killer, you're a killer. You're a killer, black male. Let me see you prove it. Why does this exist? Yeah, white Mike. I had not heard of White Mike. He looks pretty interesting. So this is Mike. Michael, Reverend Michael Smith, and he's from the Ted TEDx Jacksonville.

2:32:34 He's a pastor. And he was the white guy in a predominantly black environment. So somehow, white Mike is a thing in most black communities. There is a white Mike. I don't know what is. I think it stems from the Whaym Brothers show because they had a cat called White Mike. Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course, of course. Yeah, I remember that. But I mean, he jokingly refers to himself as White Mike because they were like, it was several Mics in the church. And he's like, Have you seen Mike? And they were like, who? And they didn't know his last name. Like, White Mike. So it kind of stuck. But he brings up valid points. Why is it that this kind of vulgar Garity?

2:33:17 I'm not even going to go there. That's another show for another day, the vulgarity and the sexualization. But the murderer. Yeah. In one breath, and then you bring up a great point about young white females. How one minute they'll have Black Lives Matter on, you know, all on their TikTok. Yeah. And then the next minute they're dancing to Walk Them Down, which is a very popular song now talking about how one black man walks down on another black man with the chopper. If you don't know what chopper is, that's an AK-47. It's like, nah, dry-bow is not good enough. You got to walk them down. They'll dance to that, do choreography to that, but then tell you Black Lives Matter. Are these people sick?

2:34:01 I asked that in all seriousness. Well, this, of course, started. Well, hip-hop started nice and kind of, you know, kind of like friendly. And, you know, it was a hip-hop to the hibbit to the hibbit of hip-hop. You don't stop rocketing that. It was like that. Right. And then it just, you know, I think if I think, because MTV, I'm trying to think if we did, didn't real gangster rap, it just seems, it was kind of friendly. And late 80s. Well, no, it was friendly at first, jokingly, Will Smith, Ha-ha,

2:34:40 Modidas, those kind of things. And then Public Enemy comes along. P.E.D., and then the black consciousness starts to bleed into it. And they're like, oh, no. Oh, no. We can't have that. We can't poison it. Poison the whale. And that's exactly what you had. And that's why you heard, I run my bell when Burrell was talking. He was like, well, you know, I don't want to think it was, you know, done out of intention. He didn't say that. I think I forgot the word he used, but basically implying that he didn't want to step on his record industry friend's toes. He knows it was done by design. Isn't it interesting that you can't

2:35:19 post something on Twitter about hydroxychloroquine because it might kill you? But you can certainly post a snippet from any of these music videos. Whereas literally people saying, I'm going to kill this guy. Actual killing. But let's just do a one-to-one correlation because the people say, oh, well, that's, you know, that's not the same. False equivalence. You could easily post, you know, false equivalency. So you could easily post about drinking lean, which is prescription costs. Nobody says anything. But if you talk about hydroxychloroquine, oh, take him down.

2:36:01 Take him down. Take him down now. So White Mike brings up the question: where are the killer whites? I'll take it even further because a lot of time racism exists in what we don't know, what we don't see. Where are the white killers on the radio? Where are the white AK-47 shooters? Where are the white drug dealers? Where are the white people on the radio that brag about what it's like to murder witnesses before trial? The truth is they don't exist. And the question is, why? Why don't they exist? Do white people not kill people? Do white people not use AK-47s to shoot each other? I mean, we know, do white people not do drugs? Do they not deal drugs?

2:36:41 Of course they do. But why is it that it doesn't make it to our mainstream radio? Why is it that we don't hear it hundreds of times a day in hundreds of cities across the nation, thousands of plays that say the idea that a black guy would kill another black guy is something to be celebrated, something to be romanticized? Yeah, true that. True that. And just to make one point, white Mike's on a roll, so I don't want to stop him too much. I just want to make one valid point. Notice Eminem is his top, probably selling MC right now over Tupac. He didn't have the thug mentality. No. He rapped about killing his mom and taking prescription drugs.

2:37:21 It's like, no, if he'd have rapped about that, Post Malone. Malone, let's just use, you know, saying who's popular now. He doesn't rap about that kind of stuff. No. So right. So right. Pay attention, people. Pay attention. All right. Thrill seekers. And maybe that, maybe it's because there's no white audience for it. Or maybe it's because it's not really marketable. Maybe because it's not, can't get sponsors. I don't know why it is. Or maybe it's because it's just not the white man's role. Or maybe when white people get up and talk about being drug dealers and AK-47 killers, maybe it's even sicker than that. Maybe when white people do it, they're accused of acting black. The truth is, in America, black murder is normal.

2:38:02 Black murder is normal. The idea that a black man or black woman would be involved in a homicide, either as a perpetrator or a victim, is so common, so broadly accepted that it basically goes unnoticed. The truth of the matter is, black families are affected by homicide at rates of 10 times their white counterparts. There will be more death in the form of homicide involving black people this year than any other form of violence that dominates our national conversation. More than school shootings, mall shootings, mass shootings, workplace shootings, lovers' twist, lovers trish that turn violent and bloody. Even more than in war and in terrorism, no one will lose their life at greater numbers than black Americans involved in violence. You know, black murder in our country is not only common, it's not only frequent, but it's an idea that we celebrate. It's an idea that we say is okay.

2:38:43 We actually make heroes out of the notion, heroes out of people that trivialize and romanticize it. Now, every time I show this information, people always say, well, if there's number three cause of death for white males, what is the number one cause of death? And without fail, year after year, it's called unintentional injuries, accidents, falling off a four-wheeler, or crashing a go-kart, or bungee jumping without paying attention to knots and things like that. And so basically, the American story is: white kids are dying because they're clumsy, and black kids are dying because they're gunned down. How old is this clip? I think this is in 2017, 16, I think somewhere around there. Because TEDx. Just because we're looking at how media influences our thinking, et cetera.

2:39:27 And it may be a little different. I'm not sure. I just want to put a little side note that fentanyl and opioid OD, I think, is certainly positioned in the media as a white person's problem. It is, but it's not. No, I mean, of course. Of course. You know what I'm saying? But yeah, it is. It is, but it's not. But then they also, just to go side tangent on that, people will say, oh, well, they don't want to prosecute white people. No, they don't want to prosecute the white doctors that come from, you know, upper class. That's what it is. I mean, if it was crank or meth or whatever, they'll lock everybody up.

2:40:09 But it's like, if you start talking about locking people up for prescription drugs, a lot of wasps are going to jail. So it's like, nah, we don't want to go down that route. But I want to make one point. He pointed out the accidental deaths, the bungee jumping, the ATV, four-wheelers, issue of skateboarding is up there, X-Games, you know, behavior. That's thrill-seeking behavior, right? Young men, you know, pushing the boundaries. Oh, I won't die. I mean, we have this, you know, we have this arrogance when we're young that you can't die. So, you know, you push it to the limit. Why is it that young black male can't have the same mentality?

2:40:51 It's a game to a lot of them. A lot of these kids are not sociopaths. It's a game. It's a aha. You know, like, I may, you know, shall I tell you? No, just. I'm going to tell you something. I'm sorry. No, it's a bad habit. I'll tell you. I'm trying to kick that. Lots of people have that one. Because we've seen more shootings on TV. I know what you're talking about because I see these kids. I'll just call them kids. I see these men, mainly men, and they got, you know, they got the Glock 9 with a huge magazine hanging out of that thing.

2:41:30 And then, you know, like pom-pom, and they're shooting sideways. I'm like, and a lot of it misses. A lot of it is just, it's just ridiculous. I hate the to say, but it's like cowboys and Indians, but with live ammo. And it's LARPing too. It's LARPing. It's LARPing. It's LARPing, but it is also a thrill-seeking. Yeah, it's a very, very, very unsafe way of thrill seeking. But yeah. It's part of the mechanisms, different mechanisms. Now you have one kid that goes down a 50-foot ramp, you know, on a skateboard.

2:42:09 Right, right. And Bobby break his neck. Or you see, I mean, they have an MTV show that shows clip after clip after clip, kids getting their arm broke, teeth knocking out, knocked out. They have an entire movie. movies of white kids doing this, right? So, I'm just what I'm saying is, say, it's the same behavior, but the behavior manifests itself in a different way. Of, let's play this live act live action role play game of thugging. Yeah, you know, I'll pop shots your way, you pop shots my way, you know, and then but then it escalates to what we talked about before. It gets on the wire and so-and-so punked so-and-so gets serious, yeah.

2:42:52 Or you enter, you counter, you interact with a super predator or a thug. And unfortunately, things do exist. No, of course, but unfortunately, uh, you know, sometimes you'll see that some spectator got injured at a uh, you know, at some kind of skateboarding competition or a motor sport event. Uh, but you rarely hear about you know, the baby in the crib at three in the morning who got killed by the at the skateboarding event. So, that's why, of course, it appears different. But I'm gonna, I'm gonna agree with you that for young men, yeah, it's and that is happens to be their thrill, which we should probably try and stop some of that.

2:43:36 Yeah, and just say, just I want to keep going, but you brought this up, so I had to, I debated about talking about on the show, but I was in another part of Virginia meeting someone, and I walked into a Wawa, and I'm like, okay, I see two young black males, and they were young. I mean, you could tell they're young, pants sagging, tight jeans on, with big ass pistols. I mean, not even uh concealed, just hanging out. And so, I'm like, you know, the talk that my dad had, you know what I'm saying? This is what I had to tell a story just for the talk.

2:44:15 So, I'm like, okay, let me keep my eye on these two. You know what I'm saying? Because if shots start to pop off, I need to know where they're coming from, and I need to know where my nearest exit is. I mean, it automatically just goes, and you know, you just trigger in. So, I'm getting my sandwich from Wawa. I'm sorry, I'm not familiar with Wawa. It's like a gas station, which has like a subway built into it, basically. Oh, okay. I got you. But it's like, as you're going to find in quote-unquote black communities, certain convenience stores are the hot spot. That's where you hear a lot of crime. If I'm waiting to get the drop on somebody, I know they got to come buy beer or blunts or cigarettes. So I'll just wait here. No, I'm just, I'm telling you, the psychology of it. Yeah, I got you.

2:45:01 So I'm sitting here. I'm like, these boys can't be 21. I mean, babyface with big ass guns. And so I hear ruckus at the door and I'm like, I'm like, okay, I'm sliding to the other exit. I'm like, I'm about to roll out without my sandwich. But it was this guy named Nick. I know Nick names now because Nick, he's like, what are y'all doing out here like this? He's like, you know what I'm saying? Do you want to be like your brother? Big black guy, muscular. You know what I'm saying? Like, y'all out here playing these games. He's counseling these black kids, football coach, works at the correctional facilities. I'm like, after they leave, I'm like, man, I'm like, that was what's up right there. That's great.

2:45:43 I got Nick's number, so I'm going to be talking to Nick down the line. But I just want to give that example of they don't even care no more. Like the guns were just like out. But it was like Wild, Wild West. I mean, that's what, you know, like, wow, like, this is like real Wild, Wild West. It blew my mind. But I just want to give that, you know, that anecdote because it's real. It is real out here. And, you know, but I mean, I digress. I'm sorry about that. No, thank you. Stories are great. All right. So let's get back to track with number 27. Now, we don't have Mammy Two Shoes today. You can't get away with it. Nobody, nobody would put it out there.

2:46:27 But we do have black people that get on the radio every day in white-owned companies, white-owned stations with white-owned sponsors that play the role of hypersexualized, hyper-criminalized male. I asked these advertisers, say, I've got hundreds of songs a day that celebrate killing animals. Will you put them on your station? They said, no. I got hundreds of songs a day that talk about assaulting women and abusing kids. Would you put them on your station? They said, no. I said, I got hundreds of songs a day to talk about murdering blacks. Would you put them on your stations? They said, well, that depends. Depends on what? Who it's done by and who it's branded for. Because if we can get black folks to sing about it, we can brand it for our youngest black audiences. I think there's money to be made. I think there's American appetites to see these people that way.

2:47:07 Yeah. Yeah, that's how it went. That's how it went. I wasn't invited to that meeting. That's so sick. You know that. That's so sick. I'm sure you've read the story about a music business insider who claims that all of this was predetermined. All the gangster rap, all the violence was all set in motion by design. I'm a believer of this. It's not one meeting. No, no, no, but a series of meetings. And people need to, you know, nudges, that kind of thing. Well, I just want to say, because it's so hard for people to believe that the media actually is controlled and has a message that is determined, created or determined, it's determined and is intended to be sent down the line.

2:47:59 And having worked in many big mainstream broadcast organizations, including the one that was definitely a part of this, do I think that anyone I really knew or interacted with knew about some part of this big plan? No. But it was, hey, they want you to do this or that. Who's they? I don't know. The psuits up at the office. And you become desensitized to it. You do. I mean, you just, I became desensitized to all kinds of stuff. And certainly selling alcohol to a lot of children. That was a big part of my job indirectly.

2:48:39 And we talked about this, the higher-ups when we were talking about COVID. You know, do this, put them on the ventilator. Who told you to do this? The higher-ups. You know, so it's not like everybody that worked at MC. Always that worked at Philip Morrison or these other cigarette companies were complicit. You know, I mean, it's not. It's very just stay. So basically, when you build a cartel, it has to be carpartmentalized. Yes. Where everybody doesn't know everything. It's like, just do your job and trust the system. Exactly. Trust the system. It's true. But broadcast television works that way. And I'm not even saying that people up at the office really had the whole scoop on it.

2:49:24 Lots of influences in the music business. Lots of stuff happening. You know, you hear about how sex and drugs and yes, black mail, all that stuff. All of it, all of it happened. Happened. So it's being unveiled now. It's being unveiled. Because of so much media. I mean, now, because of YouTube and because of, well, because of cameras, camera, phones, handheld devices. Now I'm seeing, and you show me enough street brawls of people shooting at each other. I'm like, this is this is a but and I'm old enough. This is a bunch of damn kids and that, yeah, they're playing.

2:50:05 It's real. But your point, going back to the start of it, was not necessarily hardcore criminals, not little yummies. It's a bunch of dip shits with live ammo. Live ammo. It's a low generalization. No, live ammo and low self-esteem is a deadly combination. It's a very, very deadly combination. So good. What is it? Live ammo and low self-esteem. Low self-esteem. That's so good. That's like, that's almost, it's better than underinformed and oversocialized. It's the white people. All right. So

2:50:47 I guess we can wrap up with Michael Smith, aka white mic with 28. I said, how can you say that? They said, well, look, it's what these artists know. It's what they, black people, create. It's a matter of fact, our surveys say it's what they want to hear, which speaks of a sickness. How do we live in a society where somebody says, you know what, I'm inspired to write a song that celebrates murdering another person. And then a person says, I'd like to put that on my stage. Another person said, I'd like to pay for it. And then there's people out here in the audience that go, I'd love to hear it, as long as it's black guys, because even white people buy rap music, buy this type of stuff, because we know that when we want to hear about killing each other, we know who to turn to for that type of inspiration. We call it our music. We say we own it. White people buy more rap than black people. Yeah, but we're very careful to turn it down at the stoplight when other black people are there.

2:51:31 Why? Because we know we're just pretending for them. It's more authentic and real. I always ask the companies, what about your name? What about your brand? What about your value? And the largest radio company in the world said this. It's okay that we only have drug dealers on our black youth stations. We only have murders on our black youth stations. We support black charities. We give out water at the Martin Luther King Parade. I think we've got it covered. We bought them off. It never ceases to amaze me how you can take what I think I already know about how the world functions, particularly the United States, and blow my mind again by showing me, oh, by the way, this is how big it really is.

2:52:10 This is the real system in place. This is not systemic racism. This is a systemic death machine that's just churning all day. And it's too big for us really to see right in front of our face. You had to take a huge step back. Really, you got to get on a perch and like survey it from bird's eye view to see the whole system. It's all a big to what end, though? It's ultimately a situation. Oh, I'm getting control of all of them. I'll get to the to what end. Come on, Moe. What is this? What is this all about? Now that black on black crime has become such a hot button issue, the people that have to have answers for it want to say it's a myth now.

2:52:58 Oh, okay. There actually is no such thing as black on black crime. That's what's so fascinating to me. And I think why people continue to respond negatively to that phrase because it doesn't exist. It's a myth, right? Like if you actually look at the statistics, all violent crimes, the majority of violent crimes in this country statistically happen intra-racially, right? Because you actually have to look at what inspires crime. And the majority of them happen with people who know one another or in close proximity and in communication, but in community with one another. So this idea that there's something uniquely pathological about black people and the way that they commit crimes that is different than the way white people commit crimes is flat out inaccurate and racist.

2:53:37 It's a myth. Well, it's a myth. Well, no, it's kind of interesting because on the one hand, of course it's happening. On the other hand, is it any, you know, it's like saying white guys aren't hurting each other and themselves on skateboards. You know, it's clearly happening. It's just calling it. And you just said, well, they're not necessarily criminal. So is this killing a crime? Or is it just black on black killing? You know, this is different. I'm explaining to you how they're doing their putting this themselves into a human pretzel to get around this black on black crime issue.

2:54:19 They'll say, well, black people harm other black people at the same rate. What I mean by rate percentage, you know, so 90% of the crimes against black people are done by black people. Well, they'll go to white people and say, well, 90% of the crimes done by white people are done by white people proximity. But we're not talking about the percentage of who the victim and who the assailant is. We're talking about the volume. For us to only be 13% of the population and black men only 6.5%, the volume of black death is ridiculous. But see, they don't want to talk about that because if you ask that question, you got to ask who's been running Baltimore, Chicago, Louisiana, Miami, all these different places.

2:55:06 And then it goes back. It's about politics at the end of the day. So now the Democrat, Black Democrats, and their funkies have to work themselves out under this pin down called Black on Black Crime. So it's now it's, oh, there's no, it's a myth. It's a myth. They kill themselves. Okay. All right. I got you. Because that's why they don't want black men talking about it. Because when we talk about it, we're going to say, well, who's been in control for the last few, you know what I'm saying, decades? How did it get to this? No, it's like, no, no, no, it's a myth. It's a myth. And that's why they want to pivot to cops. It's like, oh, the cops, the cops are bad. We don't want to talk about black on black crime anymore.

2:55:46 It's a myth. And she's not the only, that was from HLN. I was just going to say, who was that? Who was that on HLN? I don't know her name. She was a black Malawi Matter activist, but I think they didn't show her name. And I looked it up, but couldn't find it. But not only her, we have D.L. Hughley saying the same thing. Every crime committed in the United States of America is two to one, black to white, white to black. They actually more white on white crime than black on black crime. But when you call it black on black crime, that gives them marching orders. That gives them a call to arms. So now they can come and brutalize because there's a sense of urgency. You'll hear black people saying, oh, black on black crime. That doesn't exist. If it exists, there has to be Asian on Asian crime or Latin on Latin crime.

2:56:26 Absolutely. But crime is about proximity. You hurt the ones you love because you're close to them. If you take any living organism and you put it in a small space with limited resources, it will kill anything around it. Black on black crime is nothing but it's biology. That shit is happening on your line right now with the weeds in the grass fighting for resources. But you believe that you're inferior because they tell you it's a such thing as black on black crime. You see the trick they're playing? Guess who D.L. Hughley works for? A major radio company. I'm sure that they peddle in black smut music. Smut music. I mean, snuff me and skinny snuff music. Snuff. Oh, snuff music. Snuff music.

2:57:10 Excuse me. Yes. Well, it could be smut too. It depends on how you're going to sing it. I like snuff. Yeah. Yeah, it's black snuff music. I mean, he won't call it out because then he has to call out his sponsors and the record labels and all that. So now, and then the politicians, like, where are y'all at when it's going on? So now it's like, oh, it doesn't exist. No, I want to break down the math right quick. He says, one out of two out of every three crimes, or you know, two to one, it's black, I mean, white to black. So for every three crimes, two, two are done by white people, done to one, one are done by black people. We're only 13% of the population. I mean, I know a little bit about math to tell you that's way out of proportion.

2:57:50 Calling it snuff songs is a very good idea, is a very good idea. If you say snuff film, people freak the fuck out. That's a snuff, snuff flip, snuff flick, snuff film. If you say it's a snuff song, they say, What the hell is that? Well, what do you think of when snuff flick? Well, that's really, yes, this is that's snuff songs. Go turn, listen to the, listen to it, listen to it. I just wanted to say we need to use that or something like it. Snuff is a great word. It triggers people. It could be useful. I'll make a note of that because that's exactly what it is. That's what comes to mind. Like I said, that's what comes to mind when I hear it.

2:58:33 Now, I'm not saying that I don't enjoy rap music, but I have a mature enough mind, and I had a two-parent household that wouldn't tolerate it. So obviously, it told me something's not right about it, but you know what? It's still enjoyable. But it was still the balance there to say, hey, there's something not right about it because I got to listen to my Waltman and not in the car with my mom and dad. You know, I mean, there's that balance there. Why can't you like Lionel Ritchie? He's such a nice young man. Yeah. Lionel Richie. But yeah,

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3:11:55 And this is from the Washington Post. And this is the black women from Black Inc. Let me make that clear. Telling Biden, you need black women voters. Vice President Biden, you need us. You owe us. I remember. Black women are miracle workers. We have been saving the Democratic Party since 1965. 2020 is no different. Your only path to victory is through black women. The voters we need to turn out, we know how to mobilize them. Our votes must not be taken for granted. The following commitments will begin to show black voters that you are serious about us.

3:12:40 America needs a black woman vice president. Candidates like Amy Klobuchar will not energize us. America needs a black woman. Remember Anita Hill? We do. America needs more in a comprehensive black agenda. The rules are rigged against our communities. Wow. Who put that together? This is the Washington Post, and it had Angela Rye, the lady from Black Votes Matter. Yeah. A lot of Boulev, a lot of the Black Witch Coven in Hollywood.

3:13:25 The Boulet Broadcasting Corporation. Yeah. So the reason why I had to set this up using this clip is they gained so much clout and leverage from the black dead body of George Floyd. Every minute that that cop's knee stayed on George Floyd's neck, their value and leveraging went up. And this is the grand axe they used from that leverage. Not criminal justice, not killing black men, none of that. We want a female black president, I mean, a vice president. You know what? It's a Freudian slip, but it might be accurate considering Joe Biden's condition.

3:14:09 I think that's why I keep wanting to say it. I think the truth wants to come out. Exactly. But black female Supreme Court justice is black female. There's black female that stuff. Now, you're using the leverage of a dead black man on the street caught on film being brutally murdered, allegedly. I mean, or, you know, I mean, I know for legal reasons, we have to, you know, say, say things in a certain way. But every, like I said, every minute that knee stayed on that neck, their value went up. And they're like, we're going to capitalize on this and go for the big ask. And that's what they, that's what they came up with.

3:14:52 Nothing contributing to the plight of black men, nothing contributing to the environments that cause what we've laid out as black on black crime. No, we want a vice female vice, black female vice president. That's what we want. Not even a black vice president. They didn't even go there. They were just like, we want a female. So what you're seeing is black women are becoming their own demographic, separate from black men. And power base. And power base, but only one. They made one tidy miscalculation. They're understanding of math. And it's the same one that's used on black on black crime. What do they say?

3:15:32 Hey, we vote 90, 95% of the voting black women vote Democratically. Yeah, but you don't have the volume. You need the black male vote, the volume of votes to make action happen. And black men are saying, no, no, no, no, no. We're tired of being used. This is what you're witnessing right now. And I found an interesting clip from Dr. T. Hassan Johnson. This is another brother on YouTube, but he's a professor, very informative. And he coins this term. I've never heard it before.

3:16:15 I looked all over. I never heard anybody else use it. So if you hear anybody else use it, we got to give this brother credit for it. And it's called the concu surf. So as you can see today, we're talking about the reality of black men's disposable role as concuserfs. I've covered this in another show. The whole concept of concuserfs is a bringing together of two basic ideas, the concubine and the surf. And this in many ways has to do with the social expectation of black men, both in the larger society, but more particularly. particularly within black America. The idea that black men are not only disposable, but their roles are to serve as sexual concubines as well as serfs, right? Who are really just designed to serve. You lift, bear that tote, so on and so forth.

3:16:59 The disposability, right? So the idea of the concu surf and how our lives and our deaths can be taken for granted. We don't talk as much about our lives because there's all kinds of contestation and shaming that goes on. We talk about what black men experience in their own community, right? But even but it's clearly evident in our deaths how we're perceived and how our deaths are often used for everybody's advancement but black men themselves. And one of the biggest indicators of that is how much policy has been developed in the last few decades to stem the tide of those deaths, right? Very little. And yet and still the social expectations play on.

3:17:40 Wow. No, I have not heard concu surf. Now, if you had to define concu surf, how would you now define that? Okay, so black men have two purposes for these class of people. Either we're used for sexual purposes. That's why, you know, you know, you know, this stereotype, whether it's true or not. And then basically slaves do this, fix this, shut up, don't make any noise. Basically, the underclass,

3:18:21 we're the floor of the floor. I say that in all seriousness. And these black ink women hope to use, like I said, the only value George Floyd could bring into this world is dying. That's it. Yeah. Where does the concu come from? Concubine. From concubine, yeah. And then surf. Yeah, no, from surf, sir. S-E-R-F. Yes, I got it. Yes. So when he coined this term, this is what turned my whole show. Just so people know, just I'm sorry. I just want people to understand because not everyone knows concubine. I just want to give you the okay.

3:19:01 Concubine is like a go ahead, please. Well, it's a woman who lives with a man but has lower status than his wife or wives. So that goes to the point that we're not good enough to be husbands, but to be flaunted as sex. And there's this weird parallel between the white woman and the black man. We're kind of in the same position in our respective races because I told you, we live in a matriarchy. White society is a patriarchy. Black society is a matriarchy. So black men are expected to behave the same way as in, oh, and I'm generalizing here a lot, but the same docile, be quiet, the same way white women are expected to be or portrayed to

3:19:53 be. You know, like the, you know, you know, they say white women, you know, they're very submissive and that kind of thing. Black men are expected to be that counterpart on the black side. So that's where the concu surf comes from. Got it. Got it. Wow. So when I heard this clip, it illustrated and encapsulated everything I wanted to say. And I was like, you know what? I had the show done. I had the show when I called you. Yeah. I was like, ready to roll. And then I heard this and I was like, nope, got to tear it all the way down and build it back.

3:20:34 It's far more important to have this. I know people are saying, well, Mo, that's kind of far-fetched. What are you saying? What I'm saying is black men are used for sacrifice for other demographics to progress into whiteness. Black men are used for sacrifice for other demographics to what? Progress into whiteness. So these group of women, they're trying to get into whiteness. So it's like, yeah, we'll use the same way Democrats used to use black people. It's just internally now. You know, they're where for queens, they're blah, blah, blah.

3:21:15 They're this, they're that. They're illiterate. You know, poor, poor black people, poor black people, white, white Democrats used to do that. But now it's black women of black ink. Let me be clear because there's a lot of sisters out here. They're allies. So I'm, and I want to point out, and if you look at our donation list, I think a lot of women get it. Yes. Because we have a very balanced support. Yes, I agree. So I want to make that clear. But what I'm saying is, it's very beneficial. Now it's like you hear him say, oh, we're the most educated demographic there is. Notice they separate themselves out. Oh, it's black men killing black men. And black men are the white men. Black men are the white people of black people.

3:21:57 You hear these terms thrown out. All we need is what is. Yeah, all we need is to hear, well, you've never seen black women kill black women, do you? That is coming. It's coming. So I have Reverend Ian White Maher, and he speaks on the ritual sacrifice, Black Heritage Trail of NH. So this lecture focuses on the ritual sacrifice of black men in particular as an instrument for creating a cohesive and unified body of people called white. So in this development of the screen of racial contempt that I'm calling the first stage of sacrifice, while it certainly includes the murder of African Americans,

3:22:43 it was the murder of their humanity in the eyes of European Americans that was sacrificed in the development of white identity. More than just debasement, it was the symbolic murder of their identities offered up in order to engender another identity. So Renee Girard writes: The purpose of sacrifice is to restore the harmony to community, to reinforce the social fabric. And that the common denominator that exists behind all sacrifice is internal violence. And the dissensions, the rivalries, the jealousies, and the quarrels of the community by design are suppressed by sacrifice.

3:23:29 Damn. So, what they're saying is, if enough black men are put on the altar to sacrifice, they're not just talking about physically murder, but the image, you know, the stereotypes, all of that. If enough is put up there, it'll bring harmony because then they can say, oh, well, that's not us. We're not like them. Right. You know, and as they progress into whiteness, what we've described whiteness to be is nothing but what the wasp set as the model for how the world should operate. AKA white supremacy, aka Western society.

3:24:09 Gerard isolates three distinct bodies within the community: the model, the rival, and the ritual victim. And he sees within the community a driving function of competition and the potential for violence. So the model, in our case, the plantation elite or elite whites, are in possession of an object. They're in possession of something. In the political realm, we might think of this solely as capital, but if we think of it more broadly, they're really in possession of something called white, which stands for all sorts of things: concepts of election, purity, goodness, and providence. And I was doing research in the Widener Library at Harvard, and they had this book,

3:24:53 and it had something like the 23 races of English people, which sounds surprising, right? But not really, right? It all feeds into that chain moving towards the elite model, the person who is holding the desirable quality at the top. Now, elites are able to generate allegiance and they are able to generate disciples by making whiteness a desirable quality. Oh. Hey. So do you think that there must be black women who are thinking, hold on a second.

3:25:38 What's going on here? How come we're leaving all those men behind? Yes, it is. But then you know what they're told? Shut up. No, sister, how dare can't you not support your other sisters? And let's use Kamala Harris as a case study. How does she make her bones locking up? Throwing black men in jail. We heard on the last show or a couple of shows ago, she locked up an innocent black man, had no evidence against him. And it goes to show you, look, look at me, pick me.

3:26:16 I can do it just as good as a white man can do. Or what's perceived in the actions of a white man? I mean, just saying by the standard of society. Right, but she, okay, well, first of all, Kamala is, yeah, she identifies as black, doesn't quite have the same history as. Ados Woman. So are they just, are they just, have they just been hypnotized? My name is. And I told you at the very first show, it's ego. It's just so hard to believe. It's horrible. Yeah. It's not really if you we talked about how Black Lives Matter founders have daddy issues.

3:26:58 Yeah. A lot of these women, Kamala Harris, has daddy issues as it's playing out in the media. Yeah. So I'm not saying that they're just latching onto this. I mean, dryly. They have issues with men. They have the same issues because of the same problems, only their issues manifest differently. Exactly. Okay. And what it manifests is: you know what? I can use black bodies to get ahead to get ahead. They're doing the exact same thing the founding fathers did when they created America. It wasn't that personal. They got all these natural resources, all this land.

3:27:40 You need somebody to work it, you know. And then they're saying it's the same thing. Well, we have all these black criminals. We might as well put them to good use. Let's get with the media, run it on the media, make black men violent, make black men the source and the bane of all the things that trouble us. Put them on the sacrificial altar, slay them, and then we can have harmony. Yeah. I hear you. I hear you. Okay. All right. What do we stop? It can only go downhill from here. Striving for whiteness.

3:28:24 Yeah, striving for whiteness. Okay, replacing the model. Was created as a belief system on the desire of an object embodied by the plantation elites or by the elites in general. And by model, it meant being closer to God. The rival, the second group that Gerard speaks of are the European American masses who try to possess this whiteness as an act of mimicry by desiring what the model desires, what the elites have. Because so much as I want it, they have power.

3:29:04 Me wanting it gives them stature. Us Magazine, People Magazine, cultivate the culture of celebrity because it gives the system more power. Same with the Oscars. Same with all that. Gerard warns us that the desires of the rival, the second group, or the masses, will grow. The desire will grow until there is violence induced by that competition that's there. The nature of the system is that it wants us to desire, but it doesn't want us to go too far because if we want it too much, eventually

3:29:45 we will try to knock over, we will try to kill the model so that we can replace the model. Ooh, there's your riots. Yes, there it is. There it is. Well, we're past that phase, really. That's where we're at. Yeah. That's where we're at. And who do you have out in those groups? You have the feminists, you have the Marxists, you have every other ethnic group. And they're all protesting on what? The back of the sacrificial black men. Yeah. But they want to replace the model. It's not that we want to create our own and create our own black community or own whatever, fill in the blank community.

3:30:31 It's that we want to be accepted and raised to the level of the model, which is Anglo, you know, saying white, Anglo-Saxon, Protestant. Elite. Right. And the sick thing is, whiteness is their God. Yeah. Well, yeah. I'm kind of speechless. What you're hearing is me just, I just don't know what to say. I was the same way. I mean, I had to process it. Because at the end of the day, if you can identify as a woman first, as a gay first, as a trans first.

3:31:11 Oh, snap. That just hit hard. One of the most successful black men in show business is RuPaul. Right, but they'll tell you I'm a gay black man. What's that? Porter, Porter. He'll tell you that. Billy Porter. Billy Porter. He'll tell you that. I'm a gay, but they'll put that first. Gay first, black, and then man. So we already know it's an attack on men, but I'm just saying that it's not a disdain for the model. It's that I want to emulate the model. Yes. And to emulate it, I have to show you how well I can do what the model does.

3:31:52 how well I could play inside the system. That's why you hear the Soros sisters. I coined that term to you a long time ago. The reason why I say that is these women want to illustrate to the powers that be, I can do the job just as good or even better than a white DA. I think I even heard Dvorak use the term. I think he said Soro sister, but he. Yes, I did hear it. I did hear it. Good work. But that's what they're doing. And then what do they have to do from there? They have to pick a victim. So the system doesn't want us to go too far.

3:32:33 So it needs to find a way to blow off steam through the process. They don't want to get rid of that intra community violence, but they just want to deflect it before it reaches the doors of the elites. So to deflect the violence that ultimately arises out of the competition, there needs to be a ritual victim, which is the third group. Someone who is marginal within the community, who does not represent a real threat of reprisal, who can't attack the system back. The dangers in this society are projected onto that victim.

3:33:17 Now, who's the guy's name again, Gerard? What was his first name? Gerard. That's a historian that he's referring to. I can get you his name after the show, but the speaker is Reverend Ian Ian White Maher. Okay. But it's amazing. We had heard two men of the club White Men in the Cloth illustrating the black problem clearer than the people that are supposed to be speaking for us. How does that happen? Well, yeah. How does that happen? Yeah. It happens by design is how it happens.

3:33:57 I mean, that's the punchline. And I know people are saying, wow, Mo, that sounds crazy. What are you saying? So I'm saying, one, in the exoteric, you know, politically, they're sacrificing black men, the image of black men. They say trans men, trans women are the victim of black men. Black women are the victim of black men. Black children are the victim of black men. Black men are the victim of black men. And the only way you can survive in this is if you are a six foot eight, 260 pound black man like LeBron James saying you're running around the street scared for your life.

3:34:39 That's the only way you can function in society. Well, I think you're doing pretty well as a podcaster. But I understand that. It gets deeper than that. Yeah, it gets deeper than that. No, you're going to hurt me. You're going to hurt me with something now, aren't you? This is always the end. Yeah. All right. Tarp is ready. So I have a podcast that features Minister Bratt, aka Bad News, and he speaks about the witchcraft and gangbanging. I was dating a young lady in my neighborhood, and I come to find out that she used to have a grandmother, stay with her grandmother, people in caskets on the wall.

3:35:21 And I'm going to say, what's all these people in these caskets? They say they just family members. One time a grandmother came home and they started putting up black sheets on the wall over the glass and over the windows. I say, what they doing? They say they're going to have a seance that I want to say. I said, no, I don't do seances. But I come to understand why my neighborhood was so cold. As I look back, physically cold. You feel cold? Physically cold. Remember, I used to remember you used to say, I used to say, I feel deaf. Death was rant. It was a spirit of death in this neighborhood. And now I know why the grandmothers was witches.

3:35:59 The grandmothers was doing seances. As I look back and do the imagery, why I understand now why the grandmothers say, you better go kill them boys. You better go get them. The grandmother. The grandmothers. The grandmother. If somebody gets killed, y'all better go kill them. Y'all better go get them. Now, what type of witchcraft were they involved in? Well, I just know seances. Seance. They were doing seances. These are grandmothers that we. we wave to walk across the street, go run to the store for, doing seance. Would some of them go to church? All the most holding them with the church. This is very disturbing. And then you wonder why you hear cases of a woman lose three, four sons to gun violence.

3:36:44 We really have to investigate those cases. There's a spiritual thing going on, a spiritual component of this. And I illustrated it way back in show 26 with a growing number of black women leaving the church for witchcraft. Growing numbers of African-American women in Maryland and across the nation are leaving traditional church worship. All of them are in search of something else. A spiritual belief that connects them to their ancestors and where they can feel more empowered to control their own well-being. They have found it in ancient forms of spiritual contact. Some call it witchcraft, a term they accept and embrace.

3:37:26 For most of us, this is how we worship, a tradition that predates us all. This too is an ancient art of worshiping, not to God, the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, but to spirits and deities that span the oceans and date back to pre-slavery days in Africa. Are you in fact witches? I'm whatever the situation calls for. So if you come to me with pleasantries, you being respectful, you'll get Glenda, the good witch of the suburbs. But if you come at me with negativity and meanness and disrespect, then you'll get Evelyn, your worst nightmare. Oh, yeah. This was

3:38:12 episode 26 for anybody who wants to get freaked out all over again. I want to have an epiphany. Go ahead. Go ahead. I'll give you my epiphany afterwards. Well, do you remember how old she was, the woman speaking at the end? She sounds like a bad one. Oh, these women are in their late 20s, early 20s. Yeah, the millennials, right? Yeah. And they picked it up when they left the church, went off to college, and learned in these universities. Yeah. But my epiphany was this. Yes. And people that know anything about hip-hop will know this. Those same closets and basements that these women were doing seances in that

3:38:51 Minister Bratt referred to are the same closets and basements that their grandchildren record hip-hop music in. It's spells. Spells. Spells. But I'm saying, but those same spirits might be dwelling in those same spaces because I know when we used to record, you had to do the basement or you had to do like a, you know, like a old closet or something. Oh. Do we do theremin? Not really. Go ahead. I'm going to need a theremin for this next game.

3:39:32 Okay. We're winding it up here, people. I like that theory, Mo. I like that theory. That's a good one. Okay. What do we got now? There's only one way to introduce this next guest and people have been asking about him. And this is the first introduction to the MoFax podcast with Adam Curry. Bishop Larry Gators, I am a type of a man that's been called by God to fully decapitate the system of the left. And what I want to talk to you about today, Brother Alex, and to your listeners all over the world, is this topic entitled The Coming Destruction of Black Lives Matter.

3:40:14 Now, the three founders, Brother Alex, of Black Lives Matter, they are witches. Listen, I have no sympathy for Belay. I am a contract killer for the Lord Jesus Christ. My responsibility is to cut the head off of not just Antifa, that is the military arm of Black Lives Matter, but Black Lives Matter is the propaganda arm of Antifa. So you had three witches who created this terrorist organization in 2013 following the death of Trayvon Martin, Alicia Garza.

3:40:56 She is a member of Omega Phi Beta. Patrice Colors, she is a member also of Omega Phi Beta. And Opa Timeti, she's of Nigerian descent. She is a member of Alpha Kappa Alpha, which means they're all a part, Brother Alex, of the black skulls and bones. Wait a minute. Wait a minute, Mo. Whoa, whoa, whoa, get the chart. Oh, my goodness. So they're putting spells on everybody. You got to explain. Where they're working through the biggest spellcaster is the media.

3:41:39 Or the medium, which what do you call witches? And no, if it's the witches out there, but what are witches called? Mediums. It's important people understand this because we haven't gone off the rails all of a sudden, like, oh, well, this is it. It's witchcraft. That's the problem. No, no, no. It is truly a form of modern witchcraft. It truly is. Yeah, especially when you fatten nocebo effect and you keep saying, you know, this negative stuff and then it presents itself. Note, as soon as they start talking about black cop shooting, black cops shooting black people, more cops shoot black people. How does that work? Well, black on demand. It's like a black on demand. Coming from an advertising perspective, that's actually how it works.

3:42:23 If you show something over and over again, it's going to have an influence depending on how you show it, what music you show it with, how your cuts are made, how your shots are positioned. I have manipulated people's thinking in a not necessarily derogatory way, but I've created illusions, illusions, magic, illusions, witchcraft, spells on television that there's okay. If anyone wants, this is a very old. I've been doing this for maybe 15 years. There's a, you can find it on, I'm going to put it in the show notes. It's called the Zen TV Experiment. Have you ever heard of this, Mo? No, I haven't, but I'm going to look it up as soon as we all.

3:43:05 The Zen TV experiment goes back to, I think this one, December, well, this is 2009. And I don't know if this is even the first time it was, it just, and you should just do some, you can do it with the television or with your laptop, but it just gives you a couple of simple things to do. I'll show you. For instance, watch TV for 10 minutes and count the technical events. Technical events are, we've all seen TV cameras in banks and jewelry stores, a stationary video camera simply recording what's in front of it. We'll call pure TV. Anything other than that is a technical event, a camera Zoom, technical event. Someone's profile talking. Suddenly you switch to another person responding. Technical event. A car's driving down the road.

3:43:49 You hear music playing. Technical event. Count the number of times it's a cut, zoom, super imposition, voiceover, appearance of words on the screen, fade in, fade out. All of those are technical events. They're magical. They are illusions. Call it that. Call it sorcery. So much of what we're seeing, particularly now with handheld cameras, direct, the way the media uses that type of video sources. Narratives are set on eight seconds of a video shot from a window. This is all technical and broadcast sorcery.

3:44:33 And one final point I like to make is even the release of information. Like you said, it starts with the eight second. Yeah. And then it bleeds out the full video and then another angle of the video and then another angle and then the context of the video, those kind of things. So yeah, it's definitely, and these women work arm in arm with their sisters in the media. Yes. Oprah, Gail, et cetera, fill in the blanks. And they create a narrative. And you saw it in full play with Kobe Bryant. You saw what they did to him in his death. Kobe didn't do nothing to nobody. I mean, and when he died, I mean, but

3:45:13 look what they did. We got to take this. We got to take him down. And they took them to take him down. And they took Snoop Dogg down a notch too, didn't they? Exactly. Wow. Okay. Oh, and by the way, some sorcery and witchcraft, I also believe is real. So not just technical events on television. I think you can probably conjure up bad energy wherever it's coming from. And I mean, I don't dispute that as well. I mean, I'm just saying that for the people that that's a reach for them, just the controlling your mind control, brainwashing. Don't take my word for it. Take Burrell's word for it. Right. Tom Burrell. Yep.

3:45:53 He's a master wizard. He is. He's a grand wizard, to coin a phrase. Grand wizard at what he does. Mo, thank you so much. It's so enjoyable to do these shows because it enriches me as a human. Every show to me is like I get to catch up with my buddy. I like that. that so much, and I know it comes across on the show. And I know so many people get so much value. And of course, you know our pitch. If you got any value from it, just translate that into numbers. Add a note. Let us know how you feel, how it affected you. Try and keep it within the realm of broadcast length because, after all, we are creating technical sorcery here for you.

3:46:35 And counter sorcery. Counter sorcery. That's right. It's white magic. Oh, what did I say? Oh, my God. See how you get trapped in that kind of stuff. Mofacts.com. Support us directly at mofundme.com, our donation page, M-O-E-F-U-N-D-M-E.com. And Mo, thank you again. I can't wait for the next episode. And as I always say, pay attention to everything and the truth will reveal itself. The banana clip theory. I cater, but I leave. I took it this far this time. The banana clip theory. I told myself

3:47:16 I should be smart, be smart, and not blind. The banana clip theory. Down we went today. Lord, I think there's something. Another bullet went astray. Astray. Another soul dead. The banana clip theory. I heard a gun the other day. It spoke to me and told me power was the only thing that we could lose. So don't be afraid to let the shower on them. If they ever run up at my door, it came with a red dot for a short shot. And the silence up on the low. I had to stop, pause, and think about it while they gave me his resume.

3:47:56 Told me no better way to protect myself in this world we live in. The killing of women and children. The only way you survive in your mind is to stay strapped. So you act out. They'll call you soft if you back out. So you roll your window down and you black out. The next day they'll be back round. The banana clip theory. I came, but I believe I took it this far this time. The banana clip theory. I told myself I should be smart, be smart, and not blind. The banana clip theory. Lord, I think there's something. The banana clip theory.

3:48:44 Another soul dead. The banana clip theory. The banana clip theory.