23: Blacktivate

00:13 Mo Facts with Adam Curry for January 28th, 2020. This is episode number 23. Hey, hey, hey, Mo. How you doing? I'm doing good, Adam. How about yourself? Yeah, doing real good. Thank you. Actually, I had to think of you today and the show as I watched Dolomite is my name? Eddie Murphy movie. Have you seen that? No, how is it? I've really enjoyed. Well, I don't want to praise it too much because I thought Tina didn't want to watch it. And then she came home like, oh, yeah, and I watched Dolomite. She's like, I wanted to see that. You know, it's like that in our family is cheating. That's adultery right there.

00:50 You know, that's. You can't look ahead. You can't. Well, I don't look. She's the one that likes to look ahead, but I messed up on this movie. But I liked it. I think she's watching it right now. It was really good. And it was a true story. I had no idea. I didn't know anything about Dolomite. It's on my watch list, but with the kids around, you know, that's... I hear it. I hear that. You got to find time. You got to find time. Yeah. No, I packed mine off a couple of years ago. Goodbye. Okay. Now it's time for Daddy to watch movies. So how's everything going? Yeah, everything is good. I'm ready for another Mo Facts. I got a lot of good feedback on episode 22,

01:35 but mainly about Martin Luther King Jr. Yeah. And yeah, I saw a lot of, you know, I wanted to mention this to you. Twitter is racist. And I'll tell you why. When we put out a show, I tweet out a show, and then people are liking the tweet. And then I'll, or, you know, they have a comment, I'll reply. You know, maybe I'll follow a person. And then within like 24 hours, you know, I've got a different Twitter feed. You know, there's a lot of black Twitter coming into my feed. And if I don't continuously do that, Twitter just kind of phases it out.

02:16 And all of a sudden, I'm like, where's the blackness in my feed? I don't see anything. It's like, false alarm, false alarm. False alarm. Tell the neighbors it's okay, honey. No, but it's... Fat fingered a light here, so let's get it back in. No, but it's really weird. I don't know. I'm not interacting enough, or I don't know. The algo somehow thinks that I'm not interested just because I'm not following new stuff or something. I don't know. It's weird. I don't like it. I think it's annoying. Yeah, that's why I don't do social media too much. I just use it pretty much for the show and to DM the people from the show. Yeah. Well, I use it as an inbox mainly, but from time to time I want to follow a topic and I don't know, just notice it.

03:00 Anyway, let's crank up the wheel here and let's see what topic Mo has brought for us on episode number 23 of Mo Facts with that. I'm hurrying as the wheel comes to a standstill. We see. Okay, what is this whole people of color label? Is it just that we're not white? Ah, yes. The third rail of race relations. Here we go. People of color, which I cannot, just to let people know, I cannot stand that term. I hate it. Huh. And I hate very few things, but I hate it because when I hear people of color, my brain does its weird thing and says colored people.

03:46 Now, do you believe you're unique in this or do you think this is something that more people would be irritated by? If I had my wishes, everybody would be irritated and do that same change. Because all you did was take off the ED, throw in an OOF and switch the words around. Oh, yeah, people of color, that's fine, but color people is offensive. Oh, social justice warrior hearts are breaking around the nation. This should be headline news. So with this show, we're going to look into people of color. And wait, wait a minute. Can I just say that I specifically did not ask why does it bother you?

04:28 I presume the next show will help unwrap this. Actually, the next clip will. Colored, it is just a word that has horrifying connotations. It just brings back with it echoes of signs that say, no coloreds here. Colored's not allowed. I think wherever you are in the world, it just takes you immediately back to a difficult time. And rightly or wrongly, and perhaps this is a little mean of me, whenever I hear a white person use the word colored to describe black people. I'm gonna assume you don't have many black friends. Colored just has some of the most horrifying connotations.

05:05 It carries with it echoes of a very difficult time. And it also carries with it my least favorite argument in the world, which is when people say it's just a word. Words are all we have. And if somebody is telling you that this is not the word that they want used about themselves, and that's something that people need to learn to respect. The reality is, a lot of people still to this day are confused by what word is acceptable, what word is politically correct to use, which is a horrifying phrase. I think the polite thing to do is to use the word that people themselves are comfortable being used, and that is definitely not colored.

05:46 So when I hear people of color, I literally see the sign on the door, colored zone granny black and white video or video to say colored only. You're not going to play this mind game with me because this is what I think. And we're going to examine one where the term came from, two, how it is used. And three, the group of people they tried to box in this term people of color or POC. So, like I said, when I hear this, I found it very offensive. And as we always do, I went on a hunt to figure out where it came from.

06:31 All right. Back to ground zero. Yeah, so we had to go back and figure out where it came from. And it's not a race unpacking people of color. Some of these terms are placed on us, and some of them, like people of color and women of color, come from within groups. Loretta Ross is a feminist and educator. She told me how the term women of color came from the U.S. women's movement of the 1970s. And people of color came afterward to include men.

07:09 It was created as a statement of solidarity that people who are oppressed because of their race or ethnic background would work together. It's not a biological designation so much as a political designation. Okay, a couple things in there. First of all, when you say people of color, that's also grouping a much wider group into one. Is that how you take it? Yeah, because who's included? Anything not white. First of all, we are not colors. We examined that before in our other show. I use the term black just for the sake of argument. And that's why I say

07:54 quote-unquote black community. I say quote unquote black a lot. And I mean, I don't harp on it too much, but we are not colors. I'm not black. You're not white. Hispanics are not brown. And then they use this term brown like very loosely. Who's brown? Is it Asian people or brown? Are they still yellow? Is the, I mean, you see what I'm saying? It's this weird thing where it's more like losing an identity because you're being lumped together with a bunch of others instead of gaining one, which is also, of course, questionable. For a political purpose. Exactly. That was logical. Yeah.

08:35 Political. Exactly. It's all political. So we formed this nice little box to put non-white people in. And when we go back and think about white and black and how that was established, that was to post-uh slavery. There was only really like two races, white and black. The way they shaped it. Right. And people that appear to be white could be capacity, as we talked about last show. Right. The brown paper bag test. Yep. Yeah, with J. Edgar Hoover. He passed. Tons of other people passed. By the way, I took another look at some pictures of J. Edgar Hoover.

09:15 Oh, man. You can totally see it. Totally see it. That's right. Once you see it, you can't unsee it. Oh, no, no, it's exactly. It's like one of those 3D pictures where you don't see it, and all of a sudden there's a Statue of Liberty. You know, that's what happens when you do an image search on J. Edgar Hoover. It's like, okay, he's black. That goes to show you about race in America, which is such a big topic that we probably had to do like a 10-part series just to talk about what actual races are and who's what and what who's not. But what they've done with politics is to say, basically, colored people means non-white. Right. Right. That's the only thing it means. Right. So they lump you into this nice little box.

10:00 But we're going to examine that often when people become American, quote-unquote, American, they come out of that box. But that's just a little foreshadowing. You're probably wondering who Loretta J. Ross is. She's an African-American academic feminist and activist who advocates for reproductive justice. So, and she spoke at the 1970 set. Well, I'll let her tell you. And Loretta Ross. Yeah. Run it out 10 times. Roretta Loss. There you go.

10:39 Origin of the phrase. Loretta Ross, the origin of the phrase of women of color. Y'all know where the term women of color came from? Who can say that? See, we're bad at transmitting history. In 1977, a group of black women from Washington, D.C. went to the National Women's Conference that Jimmy Carter had given $5 million to have as part of the World Decade for Women. There was a conference in Houston, Texas. This group of black women carried to that conference something called a Black Women's Agenda because the organizers of the conference, Bella Adlut, Ellie Smuel, and what have you, had put together a three-page minority women's plank in a 200-page document that these black women thought was

11:21 somewhat inadequate. And so they actually formed a group called Black Women's Agenda to come there in Houston with a black women's plan of action that they wanted the delegates to vote to substitute for the minority plank that was in the proposed plan of action. Well, a funny thing happened in Houston when they took the Black Women's Agenda to Houston. Then all the rest of the minority women of color wanted to be included in the Black Women's Agenda. Nah, hi, Jack. Hi, Jack. Hi, Jack. Yeah, you know, if one thing's consistent throughout these 22 episodes we've done so far, and this being the 23rd, is that the hijacking by a whole bunch of other people like, hey, look at those black people, let's jump on that train.

12:08 Woo! That's so consistent. But when we say that everybody thinks we're paranoid, or oh, you're just saying that, or you just think everybody's taking everything from you. Literally, when I say we open the door, that you actually do, yeah. And everybody else is kind of like, oh, thank you for opening that door. Why don't you hold it for us while we reap all the benefits? So what's the conversation you have with people about this? Do you say, hey, we should stop holding the door open? Or is there some magical barrier that makes that impossible? I mean, well, it's the idea of, well, several ideas, but one of them is

12:54 like black nationalism, where we build for ourselves. We depend upon each other. We spend our dollars with each other. That way, you're not, when you make these coalitions, people don't gut your ideas and then leave you out in the code. Right. Which normally happens. But I'll let Loretta Ross continue. Okay. Well, they agreed, except that you could no longer call it the Black Women's Agenda. And it was in those negotiations in Houston the term women of color was created.

13:34 Okay. And they didn't see it as a biological designation. You're born Asian, you're born black, you're born African-American, whatever. It is a solidarity definition, a commitment to work in collaboration with other oppressed women of color who have been minoritized. Now, what's happened, you know, in the 30 years since then is that people see it as biology now. You know, like, okay, and people are saying, I don't want to be defined as woman of color. I am black. I am Asian American. Well, that's fine. But why are you reducing a political designation to a biological destiny? That's what white supremacy wants you to do. Yep.

14:19 And it's probably a good idea to point out here that there are many things that are being propagandized upon women of all colors. It doesn't matter because you need them all to make these things happen. And these things should be a warning. You think you're doing exactly the right thing. And then you wake up. It's like, no, this didn't really work out that great. Because when you have political groups and political motives, once it serves its purpose, you get tossed out. Yep. it's left, you know. So that's why you have to focus on. And this is one thing the Republicans or conservatives are different from the Democrats.

15:00 And just to get in a little politics, how I see it, Republicans are a collective based on their ideas. So it's like, okay, we're pro-Christian, pro-or like evangelical or low taxes or general conservatism. Yeah, I guess. Right. I mean, they bond with each other based off of ideas. Where with Democrats, it's like, oh, yeah, you're kind of brownish and you're kind of brownish. Well, I don't think a single Democrat would agree with you, but if you really step back and look at it objectively, that is how most of their communication goes on.

15:41 And maybe that's part of some of the brain fry you see when people start to figure it out. Go, what? Like, just as a quick example, like Silicon Valley, everything is being pushed for a cashless society. And then all of a sudden, someone stands up and says, Hey, you can't do that because the homeless people. And this is like a brain fry that takes place. Like, oh, wait a minute. We have, but we want progress, but we can't have progress. What do we do? You know, instead of actually thinking about solving the problem, which is homelessness. But that kind of brain fry takes place at a certain point. And I want to be clear with everybody. I am apolitical. I call myself a political atheist because I don't believe in politicians.

16:27 But just an example, what we saw in my home state of Virginia last week, last Monday. They were surprised about how many black people showed up with guns because it was the idea of we believe in protecting ourselves. And to do that, you need to have arms. So that's what the point I'm making about you have a collective of people around the idea instead of my genitalia or my pigmentation of my skin or age or those kinds of things. I believe part of the media failure,

17:07 because of course it was peaceful, but I wasn't there, so I don't really know everything. But the media failure, which I'm an expert in, to me was there were too many black people, brown people, non-white people for the television picture for them to really portray anything that would go along with the narrative of white nationalists, white supremacists, Ku Klux Klan. So I think it truly was diverse. Otherwise, they would have shown it. I know how they think. I know how it works. I was there once. It's a diverse crowd of people that want to protect themselves, especially if.

17:48 And I don't want to go down and just make this one last point. If you have been telling me this is the worst time in history for racism, as a black man, quote unquote, black man, why would I want to give up my guns at this very moment in time in history? That doesn't make with the program, Moe. Hello. Turn it in. Yeah, that doesn't make sense. Send your DNA. Come on. If I believe what they say, if I was to believe what they say, that's counterintuitive to what I should be doing. But we're going to get back on track here with the final clip from Loretta Ross.

18:31 And I think it's a setback when we disintegrate as people of color, you know, around primitive ethnic claiming. You know, yes, we are Asian American, Native American, whatever. But the point is, when you choose to work with other people who are minoritized by oppression, you have lifted yourself out of that basic identity into another political being, another political space. And unfortunately, so many times people of color hear the term people of color from other white people that they think white people created it instead of understanding that we self-named ourselves this.

19:09 This is a term that has a lot of power for us. But we've done a poor ass job of communicating that history so that people understand that power. Yeah, thanks, Loretta. Don't blame Whitey. We were just following instructions. Well, they didn't create it, but political systems hijacked it. Oh, and of course, whatever you wanted. And I really don't, honestly, I don't know who's included, who's excluded, because you talk to some people. Some people are included. and some people are not included. Uh, and how we made the jump from women of color to people of color because men they want to include men, so then you had to go to POC or as I say, colored people.

19:58 And I'm just gonna, I'm gonna drive that home because that's what I hear. It irks me. I want you to keep saying that throughout the whole show, colored people. Uh, but when it took the first time I saw the initials POC, I was like, What? And part of that is you know, I'm used to PIC, which is piloting command, and so it kind of confused me for a moment, like, oh, people of color, and just intuitively, like, I'm not using that. It's also too, it's too many words, stupid. And I've never, I've never used that term to describe myself or to describe other people.

20:39 Let me tell you, I hear it used a lot, I hear it used a lot. Well, we're going to figure out the source of where it's being propagated, and we're going to go to McAllister College. So, for me, a lot of it has been like, okay, what is this whole like people of color label? Is it just that we're not white? Because that seems like a loose way to go. Tell me about that label. Some students embrace it, some students, I don't know. I don't, I don't like that. And I'm like, you know, so I was reading this book, or I was skimming this book, to be honest. It was like the heart of whiteness. And so it was like the thought there is that, why are you calling people of color people of color just because they're not white?

21:20 So then should you use the term non-white? But is that prioritizing whiteness as the norm and assuming that all white people are the same? So I mean, I hate it, but it's like the most applicable term. I don't know at the moment. It's just the term that everyone recognizes right now. And so it's like, okay, how do you create unity among people? But then also, you can't assume that someone is not white. Yeah. Well, that was interesting. I kind of hate it. Wow. Listen, I'll use it. Yeah. Well, hey, Mo, thank you for bringing this one up. I've always thought it was a weird term intuitively. I'd never really thought about it that much.

21:56 I just don't use that. I say Americans. If it's pertinent to the conversation, what color someone is, then maybe, but not people of color. But that's just not me because I just fight against everything that's trendy, including my hairstyle and my clothing. Can't you tell? I'm sure you're doing just mom, Adam. But I'm wearing untuckets. I like those shirts. I've got to admit I like them too. Which we're not doing an ad. No, we're not doing an ad, folks. No, no, no. Because we don't have any ads, is why we can talk about products honestly. Right. It's black people of color. Onward. Onward.

22:44 So we have to look at who's included or inclusive and who's non-inclusive. Right. Is it and the two major groups are black and brown? Right. You know, though, that's the core. And then Asians might be in it depending on what part of Asia you're from or your economic status or educational status. I believe that Asians get a really raw deal from time to time. You know, they're getting cut out of college admissions now and all kinds of stuff. So they don't get when it's when they accelerate, when they excel, and they're doing really great, and there's a lot of them qualifying for entrance entry into, I think it was Yale, I want to say.

23:29 I'm not sure. Yeah, so it's like now we got too many of them. We got to slow them down. Then all of a sudden, they're not people of color. Then they're Asians. And that's not. And that's another thing. Asians, like, how about from India? There's brown people. They're brown. They're brown. Yeah. But are they kind of in the brown and black? I don't know. And I'm trying to figure out. But I'm going to tell you, in doing my studies here, I came across a term and I really couldn't find a clip for it, but you gave me an excellent segue into going there. It's called the model minority myth. Model minority myth.

24:09 No, no, I haven't. Okay, so this is why Asians get kicked out of the POC or the colored people group because they're educated and self-sufficient and it messes up the narrative. Oh. So it's like you got to go over there with that self-reliance, you know. With you figured out on your own group, is that the idea? Wow. Yeah. Wow. My. Model minority. Okay. Putting that in the show notes had not heard of that. Yeah. So we're saying, just to give you, that's why they're sometimes excluded.

24:50 But of the group, one of the groups they want to merge my lineage with is the Latinos or Latinx or however you want to what phrase you want to use because that's even confusing. I don't know what everything's being super segmented now too. You don't know what you're supposed to say. But I found this clip from the New York Times talking about the Latino race. I think the Latino identity is pretty confusing to me because oftentimes I find it in a little checkbox on a form and I'm confused on whether I should put Latino or Hispanic, but I'm Mexican.

25:35 As Latin Americans, as Hispanics in the U.S., there's a community that gets built regardless of which specific country you're coming from. And our history is a history of African people, Indigenous people, Europeans, conquistadores, all these different people colliding many times not with their consent. So that informs all these loaded issues people have. It's like navigating three identities. If you're from the States, you're American, you're black, and you're Latina. Furthermore, wherever country that you identify in coming from.

26:19 And that's, those are, that's a lot to navigate. See, Mo, you don't have all, I mean, this, this girl's got problems. She's also a woman. There's another thing to navigate. Oh, my goodness. So within their own group, they have this many segments. Yeah. Yeah. And you want to jam black people and brown people together when they haven't even worked out amongst themselves. Yeah, how they're going to be categorized. Right. So I'm just giving background here how nonsensical it is

26:57 this coalition that they're trying to create. And then people freely admit that it's like, well, it's kind of messed up, but all right, let's go along with it. That's what I'm hearing. And that's what I'm pointing out is that it's a brand. It's like, okay, well, I'll just buy this brand because that's what's available. What color is the Louis? That's what I want to know. Exactly. So we'll continue on with this New York timepiece. People say, oh, you look like a white dude in some context. Not in all contexts. Depends where I am. Depends who I'm with.

27:39 Depends a lot, a whole lot of things. Depends what language I'm speaking. But however, I look, when I leave my name, I can't get a phone call back about an apartment in New York City. And this isn't like 10 places I call. This is like 30. And I remember telling a kid one time, I was like, let me tell you, the Cukas clan comes here and they see your last name, you're going to, bro. And the kids are like, what are you talking about? And it was like a big thing. Because one of my daughters is lighter than the other. They had blackness issues. And I remember my oldest daughter telling my youngest daughter that she was black and that her hair, she said something, and I remember crying like immediately, like, oh my God.

28:24 No, no. Wow. Oh, my God. No. She's black. God. No, that's what I heard. It's like, what? Like, that's the. You had two daughters. One's, I'm assuming, dark, and one's fair-skinned. Yeah. Or light-skinned. And it's like, she was torn up about it. I'm not trivializing, but it's. It's kind of insane. You got two sisters that can't even get along with each other. They share the same genetic code. I mean, at least from one side, they're maternal. It sounds like nobody needs white people. There's enough racism going on as is. You don't need our help.

29:10 Well, the question is. Uh-oh, here we go. Who is really white? Oh, yeah. And can Latinos benefit from white privilege? So can Latinos benefit from white privilege? The short answer is, yeah. For example, not only do light-skinned Latinos dominate being on TV, remember? But countries like Brazil and Cuba supported. supported policies that actively whiten their population, and countries like Mexico deliberately ignore their Afro-Mexican population in the national census till 2015. But when it comes to Latinos living in the United States, the answer can get a little complicated.

29:50 But let's start with what does it mean to be white? I've met Latinos with skin whiter than Jorge Ramos's scalp, and that's because when European colonizers came to the Caribbean and Latin America, they brought their light eyes, pasty skin, and some weird-ass diseases. Many light-skinned Latinos today exhibit features that are or sometimes pass as white in the U.S. This means some Latinos do experience white privilege. White privilege doesn't mean you're automatically a bad person, it just means that you might not face certain obstacles because of the way you look. Yeah, I think this was a clip from MTV, if I'm not mistaken. This was actually the cat call. Wow, somehow I thought that was an MTV. It's on MTV.

30:35 I had that clip, but it was like redundant. I know exactly when you were talking about the black girl with the, yeah, but it's kind of like they had talking points, really. You think? Hmm, imagine that. So, Latinos can benefit from white privilege. No, no, no. No, no, no, no. You better believe they can and pass. She said it herself. Yeah. They can pass. So it's like a test. Yeah. Like, hey, like, don't mess this up for me. You know what I'm saying?

31:11 Like, change your last name. And nobody ever knows. Because if you heard in the previous clip, the guy said, you know, he's pretty much a white guy until he got to put his name down on him for application or apartment. Right. It's like, oh, yeah, Martinez, huh? Okay, we're calling you back. But they have the luxury of, I've used this term before, of being closeted. And this is another reason why this coalition of colored people won't work. No, because we can't be closeted. Oh, well, some of us can't. I mean, if you're like Jay Edgar Hoover or people like that, you can.

31:51 But for the most part, we hold on a second. Is there anyone else that you know of currently who you feel is in the public eye or less that is of a J. Edgar Hoover situation? Mariah Carey. Oh, my goodness. Okay. But she doesn't count anymore. I mean, hello, 1990. Give me something from that. I'm just saying recently. I mean, I got you. I'd put you on the spot. Hold on. No, a person that walks his line is Drake. You're right. Yes, Drake. It's God's plan.

32:35 You are so racist. You laugh because you think I don't know Drake songs. No, it's in your comment. It's my laugh. Well, that's talent. I'm sorry. I mistook your recognition of my talent for racism. All right. But he walks that line. He, when he interviews, he does. You're so Canada. You are so right. Don't you know? It's like, but then when you start rapping, it's like, what? But the question is: is it really a benefit? Is it a benefit to Drake? I mean, okay, he's pretty successful, but is it beneficial? Do we know?

33:13 We will never know, of course. You know what I mean? It's beneficial to him because he successfully plays racially ambiguous. Okay. I take that from you. You see just a poster on your teenage daughter's wall. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Saying a white male, I saw a poster and you didn't particularly care for black people. You wouldn't be triggered by that. But he's just black enough where he can say certain words and do certain things and get a pass. All right. But he's passing both. He's totally passable.

33:58 Yeah. Okay. All right. So we have to ask ourselves, why are they trying so hard with this people of color thing, especially in 2020? It's because black people have seen we have very few allies. And an example of that is Tavis Spally is going to explain how Black America lost ground under Obama. This week, while we were traveling in Iowa, we spoke with Mr. Smiley about what's changed over the last decade.

34:34 As Martin Luther King Day approaches on Monday, we started by talking about what areas, if any, are better for Black America now than they were before Barack Obama took office. I'm sad to report that in every single leading economic category, Black America has lost ground over the last decade in every major economic category. We've lost ground. So this book comes out, as you said, in 2006. So clearly, this book was out before Obama shows up to win in 2008. So the book was never about Barack Obama then. This 10-year update is not about him now. But it is true that over these last 10 years, most of that on his watch, Black America has lost ground in the major economic indicator categories.

35:17 Is this an old clip of Tavis Smiley? Yes, 2016. I was going to say, because he got fired. He was eliminated from the airways with all kinds of sketchy allegations because he was not on board. Well, he was whiteballed way longer before that when him and Dr. Cornell West were questioning Obama early into his administration first term. Yeah, but then after that, then we got Me Too, and they nailed him for that too on something very specific. Yeah, they were just waiting. They were just waiting to get him because he stepped out of line. But this goes to show you that not only have black people been

36:02 skeptical of other groups, we're skeptical of people that even look like us. So now you're trying to make this hodgepodge coalition. We're like, nah. And that's why the term ADOS or Financial Black or Native Black really popped off is because people of American lineage, black people of American lineage, is looking for an identity of their own because it's like, we don't have any allies. How do you go backwards in every category under the first black president? How does that even happen? And

36:46 if you don't have the answer, Tavis does. What accounts for the fact that there's so little progress, or indeed the backslider, what accounts for that going on under the leadership of the first African-American president? How do we explain that? Yeah, I think there are a few things. And to your question, how do we explain it? I don't know. I think the historians are going to have a very difficult time trying to juxtapose how in the era of the first black president, the bottom fell out for black America. That's going to be a hard juxtaposition to make. I hope to be around to read what their account is for why they think that happened. But my research in this text suggests a few things in no particular order. Number one, there was too much deference to the president by black people. We got so caught up in the symbolism that we didn't press hard enough on the substance. And so symbolism does matter.

37:31 I just think substance matters as well. And so there was too much deference in some part to the president on the part of black people. Black leaders were sidelined and silenced too often in favor of an invitation to the White House. And so more could have been done in terms of pressing an agenda. You look at the gay and lesbian community. Look at the environmental movement. Of course, Wall Street gets everything they want, but look at what other communities gained over the last decade. And look how black America wasn't just stagnant, but indeed lost ground over the last 10 years in part, one, because we were too deferential. All right, I have to step in here for a second. This is because all of America and the world was hypnotized by the media.

38:12 And it has not stopped. The hypnosis continues. No matter what side of the political spectrum you're on, you're being hypnotized at this moment and you're being mulched through a machine continuously. So it's not really like anyone's at fault. And this is why I'm always against the media pretty much. It's like, yeah, whatever you're saying is good, I'm not going to trust it. And whatever you say is bad, I'm not going to trust it. And we've seen that go two different ways with two different presidents. So that's number one. Second of all, I'm asking you, Mo, how is this measured? How do you measure when I mean it's easy to say black America lost ground under Obama?

38:56 What are the criteria that are measured that determines that that you're aware of? Well, average income, that's when the racial gap, racial wealth gap really started to pick up as a talking point, not in a negative way of a talking point, but just a conversational. Like, hey, like everybody else is, because we came out of, just back up a little bit. We came out of 2008 and every 2008, 20, yeah, 2008. everybody kind of like bottomed out. Right. Everybody was at an all-time low, you know. And then we started seeing people come out of that great recession and black people's financial situation stayed stagnant.

39:40 Right. So, what we're talking about is wage, income level, I presume unemployment. Yes. And then just what Obama backed, he was very friendly to the LGBT community. He was. No, no, I understand that, but I just want to look at the measurements because what, and just the way I see it, Trump is running on, and I don't know if it's true. I mean, I don't believe any of these numbers. I don't believe anything, actually. Right. Yeah, he's running on record unemployment, low unemployment for black Americans. And he does segregate them out. You know, it's like Latinos.

40:22 He doesn't say minorities, people of color, et cetera. He says black Americans, Latino Americans, Asian Americans, which is also lumping a lot of people in. Wages, I believe, have increased probably a little bit, but I do know that certainly in Texas, the lower income, there's a lot more lower income jobs. I think it's kind of like scud running. You know, you're just below the, you're just able to keep your head above water with one gig. So is that recognized or does anyone give a shit? It's like, okay, Obama didn't do this.

41:05 Here's a guy saying he did it. I presume since there's no pushback that it must, some version of it must be true. Now, let's revisit what the expectation was. Oh, Nazi KKK as well. Yeah. Oh, you mean the Obama expectation or the Trump expectation? No, Obama both. Yeah, okay. Because you have to compare them. I'm going to explain this for the new listeners. The expectation was we'll be patient with you for the first four years. And then once you're re-elected, that's when you'll go crazy with your pen and your telephone, making things happen and better for black people.

41:48 Was the pen and the telephone taken as a signal by black Americans? That's it. Now Barack's going to do it. Not really. I mean, not literally, no, but it was. I got my pen and telephone. So you do have it, though. So now there's no. You said it. You said you had your pen and your telephone. Okay. Get it to working. And then you pick the heels that he picked to die on. And what, I'm sorry to just stay on this, but it's interesting to me. What was it? What does that mean? Like, we want just give me a higher wage or do something that creates more jobs? Or what was the expectation that he would do with his pen? Well, one.

42:33 I'm talking about the mind-controlled one. What did people really, what were they told to believe? And what did they buy into? Well, even just bringing up the conversation of reparations, he could have started that. Right. Never mentioned being stronger on illegal immigration, which he, I mean, he did deport more people than any other president, but he was, I mean, he spoke out of both sides of his mouth. That was one thing. Right. And like I said, the last two years when he really chose the transgender bathrooms, it's like, dude,

43:11 whatever you do and whatever you're into, that's your business. But I'm just saying, as a politician, which this has a point. What I'm explaining is how we got to the point where we're at right now. When you chose that initiative over, say, a reparations, which I think reparations is more tolerable than transgender bathrooms. Yeah, that was the icing on the cake. And it was like, wow, like we really have no allies. And people started becoming, realize they were duped. Yeah. So. And Michelle was supposed to be the backstop. She was one supposed to have been in the White House, like, hey, Brock, I know you're not one of us, but you know,

43:57 gotta do it for the kids. I mean, because his kids literally are. Of course they are. Yes, exactly. So that's how we got to that point. All right. All right. So, all right. So I'm going to let Tavis finish wrapping up. Number two, clearly, there was indifference. There's no doubt about the fact that this president received the kind of headwind that no president has ever received. There was clearly obstruction. obstructionism. So that's a factor as well. But the third factor, I think, I would put as a question. I think, again, historians would debate this for years to come. Did Barack Obama not get enough done on black issues because he was obstructed or did he not try hard enough? Did he not do enough? And I think the answer is clearly both. We'll see where the historians come down on that.

44:41 But this book, again, is not about him per se. It's about where Black America is 10 years after that text. And again, it's just not a happy report. There are pockets of progress, but across the board, we've regressed. No, but, however, in the podcast industry, there's progress. Yes. We're podcasting at an all-time high. He gave us plenty to talk about. Yes, for sure. So, fast forward, now we're living in Trump's America. It's 2020. You're specifically your foundational blacks or ADOS or Native Blacks are

45:22 what's the word I want to use? Disengaged as far as voting is concerned. So you have all these media outlets and pro-Democrat entities trying to stimulate the black vote. No, no, no. Activate. No, no, no, no. Blacktivate. Damn, overruled. Overruled. And that's actually a GIF or GIF, how you want to pronounce it. But yeah. Blacktivate. So for now, it will be Blacktivate.

46:02 So we have the Vice Brown and Black Summit that happened on MLK Day. Yes, I saw some of this. Some of it was very funny to me. Yeah, four hours, eight candidates. Yeah. Well, I didn't watch it all, but I did see a number of clips. I thought some of it was pretty funny. Mayor Pete did it for me. So what I will say, I did like the format better than the Family Feud, line them all up kind of thing. Totally. This makes so much more sense. And I think that Vice, you know, Vice is basically Vice Media. And I know Tom Fress and I know, you know, he really commercialized it. It's an advertising agency and they create content around it.

46:46 And I think they did a very good job on this. And I think they served a very important community. The questions were kind of MTV-ish briefs or boxers to some extent. We're going to cover that. We're going to cover that. Okay. Sorry. All right. I shall get in the back seat again. What I will say is this. Just if I had to suggest something to Vice, do a bracket. They should have had some kind of scoring system. Yes. Two candidates face off and then they move to the next round and to the next round. Gamify it a bit. Yeah, I agree. That's right. That's because for four hours,

47:27 Tom. Yeah. The third hour came and I was on 1.25 speed and I was like, God, am I going to make it? But it was definitely biased. And an example of that is the intro for Mr. Andrew Yang. Our next guest is self-described entrepreneur Andrew Yang, who represents a community that's often ignored in national politics, Asian Americans, the fastest growing racial group in the country. But how does Andrew Yang want to be safe? He's got a pretty big group of supporters, and that includes conservatives. He sat down with Tucker Carlson on Fox News. He posted with supporters wearing MAGA hats.

48:09 And conservative pundit Ben Shapiro has called him, quote, my boy. Yang is taking pride in his ability to win over disaffected Trump supporters. And some Democrats have even suggested that strategy may be the best road to the White House. Let's give it up for Andrew Yang. Wow, man. He was wearing a with MAGA hat people. Oh, my goodness. Talking to Tucker Carring. What was he thinking? And then trying to get Republican votes? Oh, that's crazy. That's not a strategy then. How undemocratic of you, Andrew Yang. What kind of strategy is to get the other party to vote for you?

48:51 That's madness. Andrew Yang, I don't like his actual idea of the freedom check, whatever, your $1,000 a month, because he wants to pay for it with value-added tax. Otherwise, he seems like a pretty decent guy. He's certainly smart, but the actual policies are just dumb. It's just like, no, pass. I lived in Europe. No thanks. thanks. He's smart and he's funny. Yeah. And by the way, saying an Asian person is smart, of course, can be deemed racist. You know that, right? Yeah, and math is racist, too. So we got to be very careful here. We're trending in the

49:38 personality. He's a cool dude. I'm not in the Yang gang. You know what I mean? Like I told you, I'm not voting. But if he was smart enough, he could spend that thousand dollars as a tangible. Yeah, interesting idea. Yeah. And say we'll give certain groups a bump, like 2,500, you know, to counterbalance. I'm just saying. I like your bump. That's a bump. That's like 150%. No, no, no, no, no. We got, is this negotiable? It has to be something that's specific for. Hey, I'm just like, yeah, if you're listening.

50:22 Yeah, that's a great idea. He said, and for reparation, and you can actually make the whole class society right there. Hey, you know, hey, we got some brown people. We'll give you a little extra too. Here's a little bump for you. Not as much as our ASOS. Yeah. 25%. You know, here you go. But if you're listening, just saying. But we've seen that they've already labeled Yang as friendly to the Republicans. Yeah. But it doesn't stop there. Andrew Yang and WS. So you're unique among the entire field in that you have had a bunch of white supremacists who just have decided somehow that you're their guy.

51:06 Now, this is it's different dealing with this as a candidate, dealing with it as a president. So how does a president Andrew Yang deal with the issue of white supremacy in America? Do they have any backup for that? Or like, you know, here's a picture of you with the KKK or anything? They just told you in the intro he took pictures with people in MAGA hats. Were you not listening? Oh, I'm sorry. Oh, yes. Of course. I'm so stupid. Of course, those are the white supremacists. I got you. I'm down. I got you. It's the association here. It's like, you know, they set it up in the intro. And what I did here, I didn't really clip any answers because that's not what I wanted to do. No, I wanted it. I'm aware of what you're doing. I like it. I want to focus on the questions, not the answers.

51:50 Right. So, yeah, you took pictures. Tucker. You're going to talk to Tucker. He's definitely a Nazi. He's a Nazi. We all know. So, I mean, what are you talking about here? I mean, like, it's clear, it's a clear line of connection between the white supremacists and Yang. But it doesn't stop there. The double down. I mean, I just, okay, because I want to back up because I want to point out that I started off with a question about white supremacy and dealing with that, which this is something you've said is a problem in America. But we ended up with talking about handing people money. I mean, does handing people money fix racism?

52:36 Wow. Yes. Isn't that the whole idea of reparations? Who was this phony asking the questions? This young man needs to be schooled. Isn't that the whole point of saying if you close the racial wealth gap, then it'll put people on equal fair ground, fair playing ground. Yes, yes. Money will solve the problem. Money solves 99.9% of the problems. Yes. I'm being facetious, but that's a dumb question.

53:14 It's like, what? Well, did Yang at least answer it somewhat intelligently, or did he just kind of waffle around? Well, I think he was smart enough to see he waltzed into a trap. Trap. Yeah. I mean, because like as the guy said just in the clip, we just listened to. Yeah. Out the gate, out of the gate, it was, oh, yeah, so you know, the white supremacists like you, Yang. And people wonder, people wonder why politicians enjoy going on the Joe Rogan show and why people enjoy watching politicians on the Joe Rogan show because all of that bullshit is stripped away. All of it. And this is vice. And they still. Okay, it's changing.

53:57 By the time our kids, your kids certainly, by the time they're grown up, it'll be better. Podcasters will be in control. Yes. So there was a. a question from the crowd. And this was like one of the best questions of the night because it actually was based in some kind of fact and not feeling. Latino top priorities. Welcome. Good afternoon, Mr. Yang. Welcome to see you again. Thanks. It's good to see you again. Latinos polled in the 2016 presidential election stated that their top voting priorities were education and the economy.

54:37 Currently, nearly two-thirds of Latino students end up in underserved community colleges and second-tier public universities, and only a smallest percentage attend one of the most elite colleges, according to the Georgetown Center on Education and the Workforce. Today, our economy is strong for the most affluent in our society, but Latinos make up nearly 30% of the total population living in poverty. What is your plan to deliver sufficient resources for our struggling community colleges and universities? And secondly, how do we address the racial disparities in our economy for brown and black communities? Thank you. Yeah, that's my favorite brown and black communities. It's kind of like

55:21 he had to bookend it with that. Yeah, no, that's my favorite. It's like, where are the black and brown communities? Well, there's those TPs over there and some tiny homes over there. That's black and brown. It's clearly labeled. Yeah. So they had to, and this was a that was a great question, by the way. And it came from one of the people in the crowd. So, I mean, that just lets you know it's like, but the top priorities wasn't kids in cages. The top priority wasn't immigration. You see what you see? Everybody else and all other groups are financially minded. It's like schools, money. Better education, you make more money.

56:02 Not kids in cages, not what the talking points are supposed to be. So it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, top priorities. That's not what I've been told Latino top priorities are. What? That's not in the polling numbers? Yes. So they asked, and I got a little ahead of myself, but they asked Yang about black people and then their health and things of that nature. And he said that the reason why black people are so stressed is because they don't have finance. The finances lead to stress, which is true. And if you provide them with finances, then that will take away some of the stress, which is common sense, but there you have it.

56:45 But I didn't want to use that clip because I'm trying to stay fair and to only using the questions that the candidates are asked and not use this as a, you know, trying to sway people one way or the other to a candidate. So you're showing the top choices here on the show. Well, some of the top choices. Interesting choices. The most interesting people because the rest of them were like dudes. We're still making an entertainment show here. Yes. Well done. Well done, Moe. Absolutely. You got it, my man. You got it. All right. So they had the thing called speed round.

57:24 Right. And this is where in one minute, they ask the candidate as many questions as possible and see what they can answer. So we're going to listen to Andrew Yang's speed round. All right. If you could be invisible, what would be the first thing you do? Eve's drop on the other candidates. What a spook. Fill in the blank. Allow me to reintroduce myself. My name is Humpty. Pronounced with an umpty. What was your worst job? Busboy at a Chinese restaurant. I didn't qualify to be a waiter because my Chinese was too drowsy.

58:06 Sorry. Y'all don't. Okay. Jordan or LeBron? Jordan, but LeBron could pass it. When's the last time you smoked weed? Past life. What's the last TV show you binge watched? I watched This Is Us with My Wife. What's your biggest fear? That we don't eradicate poverty in the time we have. What's a topic that you're embarrassed that you don't know more about? That's a great question. Geez, soccer. And Jay-Z lyrics. I guess so. I'm not sure now. So, how did Mr. Yang do, folks?

58:50 Yay! Wow. I'm going to be president. He said, I'm going to be president. Yeah, he's a clown. It was a little like, well, obviously, a Chinaman can't know about Jay-Z lyrics. I don't know what that was all about. That was kind of lame. lame. And if you notice there, basketball. Yeah, it's like Jay-Z. Come on. We're seeing a trend here. You know, that's what all it really cared about. Isn't that the moment when you're supposed to say, I got hot sauce in my bag? Isn't that what you're supposed to do? That should, that's his biggest fear of running out of hot sauce. That should have been his biggest fear. But yeah,

59:32 if you want to pander, right? I mean, pandering one-on-one. But he didn't pander there. No, he didn't. No, he didn't. And he said Humpty. I'm like, what? They're like, hump? Another thing he knew was like a rap lyric, but he could only fill in the one rapper he knew. It's like, yeah, I got the Humpty. He might have been ready for that one. I have a feeling. That was very, very quick. Yeah, that was quick, but he kind of like didn't deliver on the answer there. Well, so that was Andrew Yang. And we're going to see a trend here with the speed round. We're going to see, I'm just going to point it out to people. The less favorable candidates get tougher questions in the speed round.

1:00:17 Huh. The people that they kind of like get easier, easy questions. And just pay attention to that. Just a little, just want to foreshadow that a little bit. But next up is Liz Warren. And she was very boring. I only really got one. I want to know her pitch. Yeah. So the one question that I did find interesting, they asked her was about HBCUs. And another thing that you propose to do with that money is give $50 billion to historically black colleges and universities. Yeah. I like the fact that you're excited about that. I went to an HBCU, Prairie View AM University.

1:01:00 Thank you very much. And so it sounds great, but it also sounds like it's too good to be true, you know? And so the question is, is when it gets hot for you and you need to compromise on some things, how do we know for sure that that won't end up on the coding room floor? And I'll just kind of put the point a little even further, which is like the pander radar goes off a little bit. This is a well-crafted plan that's going to play well in the primaries. But once we get to the nomination, once we get to you in office, this is the first thing it hits currently. So here's my question. Yeah, yeah, so let's talk. I'm trying to get

1:01:41 out. Is a plan? Is a plan a promise? So, oh, wow. Yeah. Man, it's like, hey, welcome, Elizabeth Warren. You suck. Okay. So let me ask you a question about why do you suck? That was pretty interesting. And what I found interesting was that the black guy was asking a question about HBCUs. Right. And then the brown guy chimed in, like, hold on, let me clarify this question for you. Yeah. Just in case it's, you know, just in case you can't follow along. Let me. Oh, interesting. Do you took it that way? That's exactly how I took it. I mean, we can go back and listen to like maybe the last 30 seconds of it.

1:02:25 Oh, that's when he kind of jumps in and takes it from. Let's do that. Hold on a second. Last 30 seconds about here. Kind of put the point a little even further, which is like that won't end up on the coding room floor. And I'll just kind of put the point a little even further, which is like the pander radar goes off a little bit. This is a well. Is this a white guy? Brown. I'll craft a plan that's going to play well in the primaries. But once we get to the nomination, once we get to you in office, this is the first thing it hits colon for. So here's my question. Yeah, yeah. So let's talk. Is that what she's doing? Is a plan? Is a plan a promise? Yeah.

1:03:08 I guess. I mean, I don't know the dynamics of those two. I don't know. I don't know. It could. That was just my bias. And like I said, that might be my bias. But that was, it was a question about HBCUs. You might want to let the black guy ask it, especially about pandering. Yeah. Again, yes, I agree, but I really don't know the dynamic. You may be a little sensitive there. Maybe I am. I'll admit to that. So. Hey, I'm represented by Elizabeth Warren. So, you know, it's like, who gets the wrong deal here? Are you? No. I didn't know you were Native American.

1:03:50 Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. All right. So Liz Warren, we're going to get to her speed round. Oh, goody. So we're going to test you to see how many questions you can answer. answer in 60 seconds. Okay. Are you up for the challenge? I am totally up for this challenge. Do you all think she's up for this challenge? All right. How many different milks can you name? Milks. Yeah, oat milk. All right. Well, cow's milk, almond milk, soy milk, coconut milk, chocolate milk. Oh, oh, vanilla milk and strawberry milk. All right, is it doing this question? I'm sorry, the correct answer was powdered milk.

1:04:34 What's that? Okay. What's the biggest trouble you ever got into in school? Oh, in school. Most of my trouble was out of school. Biggest trouble I ever got into in school was talking back to a teacher. What is black Twitter? Good. What's your favorite? What's your favorite Indian food? Oh, it's like big tapioca. Do you know the stuff I'm talking about? And you start talking to me and you serve it with doll and it's so good. I think you made that.

1:05:17 How does he do it? How does he do it? I'm not sure if I know. Senator Elizabeth Ward, thank you very much. Good to meet you. Good luck out of it. Great to meet you. Man. So. Black Twitter is good. I thought that was a good time. It was tight. Tight, tight, tight. Yeah. But when she was asked, what's your favorite? Just for a little clarity, the guy that was interviewing, co-interviewing with the black guy was Indian. But when she, when he asked, what your favorite Indian food was, I was sure she was going to say maize. Yeah. Actually, I was thinking the same thing. This happened to me the other day.

1:05:59 Or maybe I saw a clip of it. It was a family feud. And the question is, what kind of food do you eat? Does Popeyes eat or something like that? And my mind went to chicken. And the woman answered chicken, but of course it's spinach. It's like you get these weird brain conditions. So I thought that was a little trick question at the end. Hell yeah. Oh, yeah. Indian food. Like, yeah, like, yeah, you supposed to come with a. But that's my point. That's my point. She should have said maize or, you know, what else is native Zenison, Buffalo. I don't know. You know, I feel stupid.

1:06:40 I know. That's one of the traditional Thanksgiving foods. And what's funny is she's contributed to Indian cookbooks. Oh, yeah. But she stole those recipes too. She dropped the ball on that one. Yeah, exactly. All right. So next up is Mayor Pete. Yay. Everybody. Wall Street Pete, the spook. And listen to this compound question they asked him, ask him. And this is really an example of the problem with having these coalitions. You released a mental health care plan with a focus on addiction and deaths of despair. So I want to ask you about two key groups at risk.

1:07:25 A recent study found that from 2001 to 2017, the rate of death by suicide for black boys ages 13 to 19 increased by 60%. The rate for black girls, 182%. A separate study found that over half of trans male participants had attempted suicide at some point in their lives, just under 30% of trans women. What do you think is behind those numbers? And what exactly will your plan do for black children and trans people specifically? Wow. I mean, that's just an exercise in how dumb are you at prioritizing things. Black girls, 150%. Black boys, 30%, 60%.

1:08:08 And then I guess trans can neither be boy nor girl, but that was 30%. And so specifically, let's talk about trans. Did you see what they're you see this bait and switch or this? And the guy did it in, like black and brown, throw it at the end. Yeah. Now it's, I'm asking about black child suicide, but let me throw. That's not interesting enough. Nobody cares about black dad children due to suicide. We got spices up with trans. What? Yeah, yeah, that's right. That, well, that is vice media should be ashamed of themselves for that. Ashamed. And she even said two groups. She's not going to ask you about two groups.

1:08:53 Two girls. Are you not black? black? Gosh. Well, okay. She's just reading that. I didn't know those numbers, and that's scary. That is scary. I think you'll find the sadly, the numbers are very similar for white kids. White girls, I don't know if it's 150%, but it's off the charts. Same for white boys. And a lot of the girls, a lot of it is social media, Instagram, the boys, I would say hopelessness. I don't know. A lot of problems. I totally agree with you. If I had to bet on what the root cause was, it would definitely be social media.

1:09:33 Yeah. A lot of people. But I'm just going to show you how in a question, you start off with, because a black person's ears perk up, like, wow. Like, black children are committing suicides at those rates. And it's like, well, let me slide something in under that. Yeah, something much more important. Yeah, something more. Yeah. No, nobody cares about dead black children. But Mayor Pete, and I'm going to say this. They don't like Mayor Pete. That seems to be the message that the media is portraying. No one has a chance to like Pete. The media is telling everybody, no black people like Pete.

1:10:17 Yep. And you'll hear it. It was so bad, it made me cringe with his name. Actually, you brought up maternal mortality, which I want to follow up on. A member of our audience actually just asked a question about that. What can a president do about the fact that when you actually drill down in the data, a lot of what appears to be happening is purely individual racist incidents. A white doctor looking at a black woman on a table and saying, I'm just not going to work as hard for you today. And coming into the room with some stereotypes. How do you legislate against that? How do you fight that from the office of the president? Wait, wait, wait. Was this an example of something that happened in real life?

1:11:00 I don't know. I haven't heard of it. She just made this up as an example. Just here, grab this one. How do you answer that question? First of all, like... You can't. Well, I'm going to turn on. I'm going to turn on the mind control beam and fix everybody's head. Wow. These are the type of questions that ask Pete. I mean, I'm no Pete fan, but I'm like, wow. And the question itself was a white doctor walks in and he just, I don't care. You might want to find another doctor. I'm just saying. You know, vice is a part of the machine. I mean, this is not fair by any standard. And they have their mindset.

1:11:42 I mean, that's probably why I guess what we're missing is Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders. That's why they're so boring because they probably had no substantial questions to ask them and nothing to hit him with. Like, I don't think we got to let these two go. Joe Biden got the softest of softballs. So it wasn't the, I couldn't even clip his speed round. It was so bad. Because it's elder abuse. You know, Joe is just some people just start losing a little bit at that age. And I'm not losing it, but he's, you know, he's confusing stuff. And so they know, go easy on him because you confuse him.

1:12:23 That's so sad. And one of the questions that asked Joe just to give you in the speed round was, what food do you like that other people don't like? That's another. Wow. That's like Elizabeth Warren question. How many milks can you name? Yeah. How many milk? I mean, like, that took up like 30 seconds of her speed round. I mean, they didn't want them to get in any trouble. But. Well, the correct answer, the correct answer, of course, is collard greens, rice and beans. I mean, that is the correct answer that Mayor Pete should answer if that question comes up. Yes, but they asked him another question.

1:13:04 Mayor Pete speed round. I saw this. Antonia and I invited you to a potluck or barbecue. What are you bringing? Oh. Is it a breakfast potluck? It's going to be chips and salsa. Okay. Flying or teleportation? Flying, because you never know it's going to be the same you that gets you messing up the short answer already how do you prefer your grit sugar salt or cheese cheese what are some of the blackest cities in america like by population yeah just list off a couple yeah uh new orleans washington dc that's why washington dc ought to be a state by the way with a senator phone i know short answer is not good at short answers go ahead what song do you know all the words to

1:13:48 star spangled banner Banner. Where did MLK go to college? Moreover, yes. Popeyes or Chick-fil-A. Popeyes. What will be the largest minority voting block this election? People with disabilities. Are audiobooks reading? Yeah, yeah, they are. If you bought my audio book, wow, I might as well just say, Are you a racist or not? Popeyes or Chick-fil-A. Racist or not racist. Which, that was a trad.

1:14:32 No, kidding. He lost no matter what he chose. Pandering, if you say, if you say Popeyes, white supremacist Hitler, if you say Chick-fil-A. No, no, no. What? Deeper than that. Oh, gosh. You're anti-LGBT if you say Chick-fil-A. Of course, of course, of course. I'm sorry. I need to remember. I need a flowchart. Yeah. So they tried to walk him right. That's why he had to stop. Has never been inside of Popeyes. If I had $1,000. You're right. I'm sure he's never been. I was about to say Chick-fil-A and say, if he just said Chick-fil-A, campaign over.

1:15:19 Yeah, absolutely. Being the gay candidate and saying Chick-fil-A. Oh, my God. I forgot he's gay, too. I even forgot that part. He went against his own people. He almost did. He almost. He was on the fence for a second there. Wow. I think he was pretty slow on the calculations. I think that alone disqualifies him from being president. Took him too long to do that calculation. I mean, especially in today's social justice world, you got to do that fast, man. You got to be on the fly. You got to know who you're pandering to at any moment. But once again, let's go back to the question: grits, fried chicken, basketball.

1:16:02 Right. Oh, and I like the potluck or barbecue. Yeah, barbecue. Yeah. The correct answer was: you invite me to the barbecue? That is the correct answer to that question. Right. I'll be glad to bring anything if you invite me to the cookout. It should be the right answer. Pete, contact this. We have these answers to your questions. That's right. We can hook you up for the next time. Don't rely on IBM Watson. It's Moe and Adam. That's Moe now. Yes. So to wrap it up, they had Bernie Sanders. And really, all of Bernie Sanders really was focused on immigration.

1:16:42 So let's get into the first immigration clip. Let's move on to immigration. Good. You have a truly comprehensive, large, very detailed immigration plan, more so, I think, than any other candidate in this race. I think that needs to be recognized. But you haven't had to talk about it very much. Oh, I've talked about it a lot. We're about to talk about it some more. Good. So let's start with the wall. The idea for Trump's border wall didn't come out of nowhere. It's the logical result of many decades of both Republicans and Democrats spending billions and billions of dollars on border security. That includes close to 700 miles of fencing. You've been very clear that you oppose any additional funding for a border wall.

1:17:23 But would you go further? Will you tear down the wall? Yeah, I saw this. I saw this question. That seems like a know-win question as well, because it's like saying you have open borders. Well, no, that's how I interpret that question. Yeah, that's exactly what it is. Because if you were to say, well, I mean, I know how he answered that, and he was like, well, if it doesn't cost a billion dollars to tear it down, I could put that money somewhere else. That's my Bernie. Thank you very much. Thank you, Bill. That's right. You got a great burning. Yeah. That was a trick question. This thing was set up. So the only person that they went easy.

1:18:09 The only person they went easy on was Joe Biden. So he's the guy. He's the man. And, well, Elizabeth Warren as well. Well, they went. But they still gave her some heavy questions. Maybe. I mean, Joe Biden's their guy. But I mean, if they had to have a setup, because they couldn't go hard on Elizabeth Warren because she's a woman. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can't do that. I mean, you don't be this. And she's a woman of color, let's be honest. Yes, she is. So they continue asking Bernie about immigration. I'm actually, I'm happy you bring that up, Senator. Sorry to interrupt you, but that's precisely what I wanted to ask you about next. You've promised a moratorium on deportations the moment you take office.

1:18:53 Yeah. I want to make sure I understand what that means. That means once you are president, no one, well, I know it's while you conduct an audit of the immigration system. That's correct. And, you know, and I'm not going to tell you here if somebody has been convicted of a terrible, terrible crime, you know, that may be the exception to the rule. So you are, so in my understanding, that's not what a moratorium means. Well, a moratorium is that there will be no deportations. There may be some few exceptions. No, now, you know, you can quibble about it, but a moratorium on deportations for the 99% of the people is nothing to be cynical about.

1:19:32 Now, you did play some of his answer, which you didn't do for the other candidates, so that wasn't entirely fair in our bracket system. The reason why I had to do that was the pushback. The guy said he's not going to deport anybody except criminals, hardened criminals. Thing is, no one actually used those words. And that was not enough. It's like, whoa, what are you saying about hardened criminals? You're not going to keep them around. I couldn't clip it any other way to keep that. I had to keep that exchange in there. I understand. And then to hear him walk back, like, well, we could look at keeping murderers in.

1:20:15 I mean, you know, I'm flexible. So it's like that's nuts. It's nuts. It's crazy because it's like. But the thing that is nuts is that I think that these candidates, you know, this is, I'm getting inside their head, but just knowing a little bit about how stuff. You know, it's a stop for them. It's like, okay, all right. All right, let's go get some blacks. All right, skirt, skirt. Here we go. And, you know, then they just, I don't even think they prepare that well. Especially for vice. They were like, well, this is. Yeah, it was like K-Man. No, we give them some can't answers. Is that a streaming app? What is that vice? Is it streaming?

1:20:58 No, of course. It gets around. It gets around. I mean, I saw it on YouTube, of course. But, you know, it's on HBO and all that stuff. Yeah. But I think the seed is minor. But I just wanted to point out that, and this is the reason why I also kept that in there because this is going to set up the final portion of the show. Immigration is always going to be a sticking point between the black and the brown. Yes. Well, and I think a lot of the brown is the legal brown also wants to slow it down. This is very true. And

1:21:41 I will totally agree with you that a decent portion of Hispanics are anti-immigration, but they can't say it. Well, I've helped a couple people. I've helped a lot of people with immigration because I've done it a couple times. And my Mexican friends, of which one will become an American citizen next year, she's eligible. They're like, hey, man, because I ask all the time, so what's going on? What are you hearing around? What are you hearing around? And they say, well, everybody, first of all, everyone's got jobs. And

1:22:24 everyone, we won't really say that we like what Trump's doing with immigration, but we like what he's doing with immigration. That's what I hear. In Austin. So that's not representative of everything, of course. And a large portion of black people feel the same way because white people, Mo. Trust me. So illegal immigration and the benefits of black people run counter to each other. Because I'm just going to lay out two examples here. And then we'll get into the last set of clips.

1:23:03 But one, when you bring up this kids in cages and you can't separate parents from their children, where was this empathy and sympathy when you were having the war on drugs? Yeah, well, this is just a sentiment. It's like, where was that? Where was kids with thrown in foster care and families were torn apart due to the war on drugs, but now all of a sudden we have a conscience for non-citizens. Right. So I just want to answer that. for the maybe people who are new uh

1:23:43 this is of course is it's all political and kids in cages even the alliteration of it kids in cages is great television it makes for a great uh political point much better than i mean clearly showing drug addicts and homeless people isn't working politically Otherwise, someone would be doing something about it. So, you know, it's kids in cages. Oh, kids, think of the children, cages. What? True. But the problem is when you look at how families were separated during the war on drugs and now how it's just the ultimate sin to separate families, that's one thing.

1:24:25 And then two, when you look at like these caravans and, oh, if it's bad where you're at, you can just move somewhere else. And they're not held to any standard of the law. No, no one is above the law in America except the illegal immigrant. Right. And then you have black people that's probably one of the most oppressed groups by the law. And then you want to merge these two groups together into some kind of political coalition. It just, it's not going to work. It's not going to work. And you don't have to believe me. So now we got Bernie's speed round, which I'm sure he can only do one question because he can't answer anything shortly.

1:25:10 Let's see him try. Okay. 60 seconds, you answer as many questions as possible. And you can get a pass, but no one has passed. So I suggest you don't, or you will be judged harshly. Are you ready? I am ready. What is your biggest insecurity? Saying something dumb. You're laughing. What was your first job and how much did it pay? My first job was carrying soda bottles from a warehouse to a truck. And it paid, this is a long time ago, obviously. It paid pretty well. And I learned out that it was a Teamster operation.

1:25:55 Holy Senator. And that was my first introduction to unions, and I've liked them ever since. Who was the first candidate you voted for? Oh, Lord. Maybe Kennedy. I won't sweaty on that one, big man. What's the worst job you've ever had? I put carpets with all kinds of smelly, disgusting glue, you know, which kills people, I think. What's a lot of good things? And the last question that's out of the 60 seconds, was that torturous for you to try to come up with short answers? Yeah. Howdy do, folks?

1:26:40 Thank you, Senator Sanders. That's really appreciated. Wow. Doesn't even compare. Doesn't even, and you could actually probably ask Bernie Sanders some complicated questions. I think he's an intellectual. I think he would come up with some answers. But instead, if you were a tree, what kind of tree would you be? I mean, this is crazy. So you see the pecking order by the speed round questions, and that's why I included them. So what I want to get into, because people might not believe me, that

1:27:19 even though black people coexist with Latino people and communities, that's not the issue what I'm talking about because we can coexist. Our cultures somewhat blend in some ways. But when it comes to politics, politics, I'm talking here, they don't mesh well. As we're going to hear in this next clip, when one black female tries to equate slavery to illegals. So, I mean, I don't know if you identify as African-American. I do. But if you dropped me off in Africa, I speak the language. I wouldn't speak the language. I wouldn't have any cultural ties to the continent that I'm not American. I don't know.

1:28:03 Jose does not have cultural ties to Philippine because he was. Why isn't that? He wasn't raised. Because I was polarized. My ancestors, I can trace them, were brought over here on slave ships. We helped build a slave. He was brought. Wait, don't try not by slavery to illegal. Here, not by choice. Do you think my, right? But my ancestors didn't say, let me jump on the boat. Let me die from the drugs. Neither did mine. He didn't either. Come on, Kelly. Come on. It's not the same argument. He has no cultural ties to the country in which he was born. These children still have cultural ties to the country to come here. Now, where was this? Who was arguing here? Do you know? This was CNN.

1:28:46 I don't have the two pundits' names. But did you hear that nasty little trick that the pro-immigration woman did to the anti-immigration woman? What did she say? It's like the first 10 seconds, if you just want to hear it. You want to play the whole clip. Just listen to the first 10 seconds. Yeah, hold on one second. One second, one second. Let me make this clear. These are clearly two black women. I mean, I don't know if you identify as African-American. I do. But if you drop me off in Africa, I speak the language. I wouldn't speak the language. I wouldn't have any cultural ties to the continent. Type that I'm black American. I don't.

1:29:24 Okay. She asked her, was she black? I don't know if you identify as a black woman. Oh, I see what you're saying. Let me listen again. So, I mean, I don't know if you identify as African-American. I do. But if you drop me off in Africa, I wow. I wouldn't speak the language. I wouldn't have any cultural ties to the continent. I'm Black American. The whole conversation hurts my brain. It does, but this is what happens. When you don't take the Democrat party line, then they start to question your blackness. Yeah. It's like, I don't know. I don't know if you got.

1:30:05 Clearly, the woman's black. Clearly. And she's like, I don't know if you identify as African-American or not. And the lady's like, oh, wow. Like, you're really going there, huh? Yeah. Yeah. Well, she did go there. Yeah, she did go there. But that's just one example. And the equation, trying to use the equivalent of slavery to illegals is a losing argument all day. Because how black people see it, we had no choice coming here. If you think America is this terrible place, why are you coming here? I mean, that's just the sentiment. It's like, I don't understand it. It's such a

1:30:47 haven to white supremacy, but you want to come here. So it just doesn't make any sense. But another show favorite, Dr. Claude Anderson. I have a couple clips from him speaking on minorities and immigration. And the reason that's important is because all these other groups coming in now, they classified as fabricated groups and classes. They are eating your lunch. All the things that should have been going to you, they are getting them. There is no, and the point being at this point now, down here, when you get to benign neglect, at the bottom of 1970, there is no, absolutely no constitutional or legal reason to have Hispanics, Arabs, Asian, Eskimos, women, gays, midgets, humpback, legend, one-eyed,

1:31:38 crippled, deaf, dumb people into affirmative action programs. You make a joke out of black folk because what you're doing is giving the pretense that all of a sudden that all things are equal. That somehow those people are mistreated as badly as black folk were. That's a lie. You add insult to injury to use these very broad terms and put black folk in those broad categories. Do not let anybody put you in any broad categories. Yep. How long ago was this? This was probably 2012, I believe. Man, where's everybody now? Oh, he's still out there. Actually, he was on Hot 97 not too long ago. Charlamagne. Seven, eight years. Yeah.

1:32:21 So he's getting airtime now. Good. But we've had him on the show. I mean, as clips, pushing black people not to vote as well. Yes. We don't get anything tangible. But as he said, I mean, affirmative action is for us. But they want to lump us all in these wide groups. Yes. Like colored people. A common theme. Yeah. So let's just let Dr. Anderson continue. And my people have not learned yet to get wisdom, as the Bible says, not only get wisdom, but get understanding. We don't understand the issues. You cannot go into a marketplace or into a political arena in a very broad, ambiguous term and win.

1:33:07 You got to go in specifically focused on what you are and your people. We are the only people that won't do that. Women will go into the marketplace. They'll talk about women's issues or women's rights. Gays will go into the marketplace and talk about gay rights. Hispanics will talk about Hispanic rights. Indians talk about Indians' rights. Veterans talk about veterans' rights. Senior citizens talk about senior citizens' rights. You told me going to black folks. And what are you talking about? I'm talking about civil rights. Who in the world is civil? Talk about your own people. It's on fire there. Who is civil? So that's one example.

1:33:44 Another example of just speaking on the lack of, and I'm going to say this again because I know some people may be getting triggered. I'm talking about the political coalition that they're trying to form that's called color people. It's not going to work. And these are just examples of why it's not going to work. We have Mr. Peter Kershinow. Mr. Peter Kershinow, he's a lawyer. He's also a member of the United States Commission on Civil Rights. He's a part-time appointee and served a six-year term. No, third, he's serving his third six-year term.

1:34:26 And a member of the National Labor Relations Board. And he's going to speak on activists. Let's see. Illegal immigration hurts black men most. One. Peter Kersenow is a member of the United States Commission on Civil Rights. He was also a candidate for President Trump's Secretary of Labor. And he joins us now. Peter, thanks a lot for coming on. Thanks for having me. So this is a position you don't hear very much, but it makes a kind of intuitive sense. Unpack it, if you would. What do you mean when you say that black men in America are the biggest victims of this? Sure. Well, just to give you a little bit of background, we've conducted at least three hearings over the last six years of the Civil Rights Commission on this discrete issue.

1:35:02 And we had a number of experts testify. We used a number, a lot of information with respect to the economic impact of illegal immigration on low-skilled workers generally. And all of the witnesses, all the experts that we had who spanned the ideological spectrum, they may have disagreed in terms of the degree of the impact, but all of them concurred that illegal immigration has a devastating impact on wage levels and employment levels. And it's econ 101, Tucker. When you have an oversupply of labor, the price of labor is going to be depressed. It's very interesting that you have the white supremacist Tucker Carlson as a clip.

1:35:44 Yeah. It is, isn't it? Yes. He's pushing his agenda, but the numbers don't lie. That's right. And you're probably wondering why this guy is not making bigger news with these facts that he's sharing, and he's going to explain why. I don't even know what the counter argument to what you just said is. It seems obvious. It's clearly true. Has anyone told the Congressional Black Caucus? Yeah, I have. On at least three occasions and probably more. What we did is immediately after reducing some of this evidence, and it's profound because we're talking about a, I think it's a 40-point,

1:36:28 40% of the 18-point decline in labor force participation rates among black males is attributable to the oversupply of illegal immigration labor competing with them. So we're talking about at the very low end, hundreds of thousands of blacks losing jobs, probably if you do the math, up to 1.2 million blacks losing jobs. This has significant, obviously, impacts on the black community. Got in touch with the Congressional Black Caucus, sent them detailed information on this, asked them to do something about it, to respond to us, to engage in this effort. My assistant repeatedly would follow up on this. What we heard were crickets.

1:37:06 Did the same thing with President Barack Obama? Crickets again. So he didn't really explain why, though. Let's explain why. Well, why he's getting no attention. You're trying to part the herd. Yeah. So they just ignored it. They just ignore it. It's so good. It's like, no, we need the coalition. Right. Just ignore it. That's the whole point of what we're doing here: just identifying it's not about what's good for anybody. It's not, like, like you pointed out, it's tons, not tons, but it's a sizable portion of legal Hispanics that don't like illegal immigration.

1:37:49 Right. And they're getting it forced down their throat. White Americans, same thing. Black Americans. When will people rise up against this? I mean, you know, I'm amazed. You look at France. You know, you don't see it much on the news anymore because we don't want to give anybody any ideas. But the yellow vest, there's, I mean, just last weekend or the weekend before, you know, one of the unions said, you know, we're going to turn off the power here. We're sick and tired of this. We want someone to listen to us. They turned off the power of 30,000 people without power for a couple hours. I mean, there's some real insurrection going on.

1:38:31 I'm disappointed in America in general. All we do is take the Twitter like a bunch of fools. Well, the problem is when you're afraid you're going to be labeled a racist or, you know, of course, it's our entire system. Oh, I understand. Right. So it's like, I don't really want to rock the boat. Yeah. But the problem is with the African-American, black, ADOS, whatever you want to call it, it feels like they're stealing our birthright. And this is a couple of these are throwback clips, and then I'll let Ted use some more, two more clips that he expounds on his point. We had Ted Hayes on a show before,

1:39:16 and he was speaking on how illegal immigrants are basically stealing the birthrights of African Americans. Being joined now by Mr. Ted Hayes. He's a civil rights activist. Thank you for being with us, Mr. Hayes. So can I ask you about this? Do you agree or disagree with the poll? Do you think, do African Americans think that illegal immigrants take jobs away from them? Absolutely. I don't know where this other person is getting their information from, but I'm on the ground out here in Los Angeles. We call LA occupied Los Angeles because we have lost all of our rights. Essentially, black people in L.A. have indemnified. We can't even go in the neighborhoods that were once black for fear of getting shot, beaten up, threatened, what have you.

1:39:59 So, no, it's not just about jobs, housing, education, health care. It's about our 14th Amendment birthright that they're stealing from us. And I don't blame the people. I do not blame the people. I blame our government for failing to protect us according to the Constitution of the United States. Yeah, straight up, man. And you can watch all those county meeting videos, council meetings in Los Angeles. Phew, people are mad. And you also can watch the news and gang wars between black street gangs and the Mexican street gangs. It's really bad in California, where they were actually, and

1:40:41 I didn't want to keep it political, but just the example, like they were firebombing people's houses. So, I mean, I mean, it's getting real bad out there, but I'll let Ted continue on about how they're stealing our birthright. Well, do you agree with President Trump then that illegal immigration hurts black citizens more than it does other Americans? Oh, there's no question about it. And not just in the physical realm of jobs and housing, healthcare, but it's the whole realm of our identity. For example, you've heard of anchorism. That is anchor babies, but women come to the country illegally and they have a baby, that child becomes a citizen.

1:41:19 That is totally wrong. That belongs to slaves. Hold on, you're saying that's you're talking about anchor babies. I mean, I want to touch on that. So you are against the so-called anchor babies, the babies that were born in the United States, given our Constitution a constitutional right that those children are American citizens. So you disagree with that law? That is not true. They've twisted that. It's a custom. If you please take the time and you go to my website and you can study tedhays.us. They have twisted the 14th Amendment to mean them. And it's not. Read the Civil Rights Act of 1866 where it identifies slaves.

1:42:00 That was who it's for. Yeah. Yeah, we need an amendment to clarify that, I think. I'm with Ted Hayes on this. I am too, because what you're doing is you're bringing indirect competition and then it undercuts the salaries. I mean, everybody wants to talk about why the salaries are so low. Go ahead. I was going to say one of the regulations that I was reading about maybe just a week ago. Visas are not being given to anyone. Of course, that's always the case in the United States.

1:42:38 But if there's a suspicion at a foreign embassy, someone requesting a visa, that they may be coming to the United States to have a child and they look like they're pretty pregnant, no visa. And that's not really discussed right now amidst impeachment and Kobe and Wuhan flu and all this. Otherwise, believe me, it would be top of the news. It would be anything anti-Trump. But that is happening. And that's a Trump regulation. That's more like a general election kind of. Yeah, well, there's just too much going on, but it'll pop up again. It'll pop up. Yeah, it'll make its way up.

1:43:19 But. this is what the Democrats don't get. This is only going to contribute. When you start unearthing facts like that, you asked me a question while back, you said about Trump, and he's saying about the unemployment numbers and the black community. Trump understands the negative vote. People don't get that, but he understands the negative vote. He can't say, oh, stay at home because that's voter suppression, right? But he's like, I'm going to give you a reason not to come out on Tuesday. Right. And that reason is just don't support anyone else and I'll take care of it. Is that the idea?

1:43:59 That's the thing. And it's like, these people haven't had your back for so long. Are you going to continue to give me your vote? And I would safe to say I would be surprised if that number falls somewhere around 50%. Wow. That's that would shatter the Democrat Party. And I'm, I'm, I'm serious because I'm talking to people and I'm like, uh, what do you think about it? And they're like, we don't like none of these candidates. So what? So that's very interesting. You think that Trump, in a way, is playing into this by he's not saying it, but he's signaling, hey, they've given you nothing.

1:44:42 Don't vote. I'll take care of it. Is he doing better now? Don't vote for them. Don't vote on. Don't vote for me. Doesn't matter. Don't vote at all. Don't vote. And it plays right into the ADOS. I got to pay attention. I got to pay attention to that messaging. See how if he's because he's very good at subliminal stuff. So I got to pay attention to what he's doing there. And before we wrap up with these last three clips, I just want to make a point of it. This is how Ados, the group, and I want to make that clear because Ados is a lineage. And that's what I claim. American descendants of slave, I mean, Africans, excuse me, American descendants of slavery. But Ados, the group, they started talking about voting down ballot. And man, they got ran out of town. We covered this on our show because it's like, no, we're not vote.

1:45:27 What the part that you understand? If it's not tangible, if we don't see it in our pocketbooks, we're doing just five for the last three years. Last time I checked, you know, saying this is me speaking as a proverbial hole, but last time I checked, my 401k is looking better than it ever looked. Right. You know, the which is part of Trump's message. Right. And you look and you, and your wife thinks you're a genius. Yeah, and job jobs are available. You can leave one job and go to another job. It's not like you're, I'm not speaking for everybody, but if you're gainfully employed, there's opportunities. And just another example here.

1:46:11 Where I work, they're building a $3 billion facility, right? There's certain labor unions. None of the people speak English. Right. So these things are noticeable. I mean, I'm not knocking it, but I'm just like, so if even if I wanted a job on that team, I can't because I don't speak Spanish. Right. It's the construction industry is, I mean, it's, yeah, it's basically Mexican. Yeah, you're locked out. I mean, you're, I mean, you're locked out. Yeah. Just because they're not even saying about lineage or ethnicity, just the language barrier. Yeah. If I'm working with 12 other guys that speak nothing but Spanish.

1:46:54 It can be dangerous. Yeah, it could be dangerous. And then I'm going to slow them down. So this is where this is where we're at. And these are real, these are real happenings. Yeah. Where's the diversity in the construction business? Where's that brown and black coalition at? And where's the trans people in construction? Maybe, I don't know. No, that's true, but I'm just saying, where if you guys have kind of cornered the market in this union, you should say, hey, man, we're going to throw the brothers, you know, four or five of these spots. If there's a real coalition, I mean, that's how coalitions work, right? Throw the brothers four or five of these spots.

1:47:35 I can just see that conversation never happening. Exactly. And that's why it's not a coalition. It's a fallacy. But Ted Hay, the last two clips have been throwback clips. But man, he really goes in in these next two clips. Ted Hayes 3. And these folks have come into my country in the name, ironically, of people of color, my color, skin color, and the civil rights legacy. And they're equating their struggle of whatever they're suffering in Mexico, Guatemala, El Salvador, Korea. Their struggle is not to be equated with the. struggle of my enslaved ancestors and emancipated forefathers.

1:48:19 For them to come into my country and take my legacy is to rob me of everything that I am. And if they get amnesty, then black people in this country, we will die because of the illicit numbers that are coming into this country through the erroneous twisting of the 14th Amendment. Okay. All right. For the emancipated slaves. Wow. Did she want to shut them up? Shut them down. The disdain that she has in this next clip and the amount of her being condescending is so obvious. It's ridiculous. Ted, let me interrupt you for a second. You know, you spoke about your kind of black heritage and slavery and all of that.

1:49:00 And you call yourself a civil rights activist activist. You're a black man. Most of the protesters against this law say this is a race issue and this is the new civil rights era in the United States. If that's true, how can someone like you support this law? I think for many people, it seems like a contradiction here. Because number one, these people who are claiming color are actually white people. You read their documents, you read the federal law, you read their own birth certificates. They are considered Caucasian people. They are not black people. Secondly, the business that the United States had with the emancipated slaves has never ever finished. You see, we blacks lead the country in every country in every negative social statistic that there is.

1:49:45 We are not finished with us. So how can these folks come into my country in the name of my civil rights and take it from us? That's why the majority of black people in this country are against illegal, you know. Did you hear what she said to him? Oh, yeah. You're kind of black and you call yourself a civil rights leader. Yeah. Yeah. And who is she? From RT. I don't, I didn't catch her name, but from RT, this is on RT, and this is the close he'll get to mainstream news. Was she white? Was she white? Black? She was white. She was white. A woman of whiteness.

1:50:28 Okay. Yes. To say you're kind of black. What's the reason she's on RT, Mo? I mean, that can even be below podcasting in some cases. That's true, but it's like the way she spoke to him was like, it didn't say it's the new civil rights. And no, no, no. You know, for a future show, we really have to look at the black leaders in America. I mean, and I'm saying this in the context of just having seen a shrine to Nipsey Hustle on the Grammy Awards, which is produced by the whitest man I know, Ken Ehrlich. It was his last show. And I work with him. I'm not a fan of Ken Ehrlich. But

1:51:12 that to me is emblematic of the problem. What leaders? What leaders? I mean, like Tavis Smiley said, they sold their souls to Obama. All the leaders are done. They're cooked. And that's why people on podcasts and hashtags are the new leaders. That's why you're seeing a ground style. I want you to highlight some of the new leaders in a future show. I'd love to see that. And I have been doing that. I mean, no, I know from time to time you bring in YouTube. Clips we hear. Yeah, yeah. I know. The clips we hear, these are the voices. Now we don't have the thing that we don't need is leaders.

1:51:55 We need people with ideas that make sense. And this is this kind of go back to what I said before. The conservative party is formed, or the Republican Party is formed around ideas. And it's like, if you're on board with the idea, then we can work together. It's not about identity. It's about ideas. And that's where I'm headed. And I hope more people that share my lineage are headed the same way. If you don't share the ideas, no, it's not about just, you know, this feel-good thing. We need to have, you know,

1:52:35 culture and culture is shaped out of shared morals and understandings. So that's what's really being shaped here. And if you're not on code or on board, sorry for you, because we're not doing the identity politics anymore. And that's the whole point of the show. Mo, you sound like an angry young black man. I am. I'm just checking. Just checking. But I'm angry that when people tell you, get back in Europe, you're about to. like she just did to this man, get back in your box. It's horrible. It's horrible.

1:53:16 Yeah. I digress, though. No, but I understand. And what I'm hearing, I'm actually hearing you frustrated. So, well, I want to identify who are who are the. I mean, is it Candace Owens? You know, exactly. Because she's, she, I'm not saying because of what her ideas are, because she has good ideas as well, but we're checking and see who's backing you. We're checking to wait for the other shoe to drop. And like I said, I'm not harping on one group or the other group, whatever. But when A-Doc did this pivot of no, we're not voting, no, we're not voting, tangible, tangible, tangibles, then you come with this, oh, yeah, vote down ballot.

1:54:00 No, explain explain the vote down ballot. Okay, this is what they were saying: we're not going to vote for president, but we're going to vote for everything, you know, everything under that. And it's like, bro, everybody vote straight ticket. When you go to vote, everybody has matched a red button or a blue button. Right. And they're out of there. So don't play that con game with me. Right. And like I said, I'm not taking sides in this whole, and I've kind of stayed away from that whole thing. So they think going on over there? The voting down ballot. That's a cop-out is what I'm hearing. That is a con. It's not a cop-out. It's a con. It's like, once I get you in that voting booth, then what are you going to do? You're going to do this easiest thing. You're going to match one button or the other button. You're not going to sit out there and fill out every bubble.

1:54:44 Nobody does that. Come on. It's like we pick teams. It's like the Super Bowl. I mean, let's just be honest. Yeah. Yeah. So if it doesn't pass the smell test, and that even goes for me. If I come here talking crazy, cancel me. I'm serious. Because, I mean, it's about being independent thinking. We're not being heard anymore. Free men talking. Yep. Free men talking. So this last clip is just on a lighter note. It's not really a lighter note, but I got a question for you. More Hispanics claim dot dot dot.

1:55:25 What do you think it is? This is almost a family feud question. Yes. More Hispanics claim just based on Steve, based on everything I've felt during the past two hours, I'm going to say more Hispanics claim to be Caucasian. Survey says more Hispanics are identifying themselves as white. That's according to a new census numbers released today. The report estimates 1.2 million of the 35 million Hispanic, Latino, or Spanish Americans changed their race to white in the latest census. Research suggests Hispanics who have experienced discrimination are less likely to identify as white.

1:56:07 Okay. What do I win? You, sir, win another episode of the MoFax Podcast with Adam Curry. Outstanding, Mo. I really appreciate this. And I think on this episode, I like talking and discussing some. Sometimes the topic and the clips warrant a little more conversation between the two of us. I enjoyed it very much. I like that. Hopefully, the listeners enjoyed it as well. And it's just that that's what we're here. We're doing. You're not getting stand inside a box. I'm not standing inside a box. We're two men free thinking.

1:56:47 Two American free thinking, free talking men. And we certainly would like to hear from you. You can go to mofax.com is where you can find everything about the show. But also, you can support the show. We work under the value for value method. Next week, I think we're going to start thanking some people. And I know Mo's had a crazy week at the Real Job, which is also, you know, we're probably going to move to Tuesday as well as a bit of housekeeping. So it looks like Tuesday night will be our, we're going to try that as our as our fixed night. And we'll get things going with the Value for Value Network. Already, people are starting to email us ideas.

1:57:29 There's themes. There's thinking. This is very important that you participate in the production of the show. And we also feel that our time is valuable. So if you value this show, please put that into numbers. Go to mofundme.com, M-O-E-FundMe.com and support the show. And as I always say, pay attention to everything and the truth will reveal itself. Ain't that the truth indeed? Mo, thank you very much, man. I enjoyed it as always. Same to you, Adam. Okay. And we'll be back. back next week, probably around Tuesday. For all the show notes, go to MoFax.com. Until then, everybody, bye-bye.

1:58:27 Don't talk bad, eh? Feel free. Letting go well on my knees. Earth rushed up there. Don't let me go take a day. Oh, believe me, Sandy. Say that you never will be with you. I'm fine. I'm here for more. I've got nothing got loved.