Topic: Carrie Jewell

The speaker argues that tanks intentionally created holes in the building to facilitate oxygen flow for the fire. He recalls listening to Ron Engelman's radio show during the siege, which provided the only sympathetic press coverage. Thibodeau also mentions a letter from Carrie Jewell's grandmother that contradicts Jewell's congressional testimony regarding child abuse.

Thibodeau mocks the undercover agents for claiming they were studying "philosophy" at a local technical trade college (TSTC). He then addresses the congressional testimony of Carrie Jewell, who claimed she was abused by Koresh. Thibodeau argues her testimony was scripted by her stepmother and contradicts the accounts of other family members.