You Can’t Fix a Man With Facts - The Wrap Up

00:00 Men, The Wrap Up is back. It's the end of March, the start of Q2. Easter is round the corner and my good friend and co-host Glen Ocsko is back! It's time for the latest episode of The Wrap Up. Roll theme... Welcome to The Jonnie Jensen Show, where modern dads discover how to create the true riches relationships and results they deserve. Get your High Value Man blueprint and join our community at highvaluemanproject.com Let's go!

00:35 Welcome men to The Jonnie Jensen Show. I am Jonnie Jensen and it's good to have you back if you're here as a returning visitor, watcher listener subscriber whatever you are and if is your first time because you've seen the wonderful news that we're about to invite you into the latest edition of The Wrap Up then bloody good to have you here The Wrap Up, Highlights and Highlights of the Podcast

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01:58 Share this as we go live. We are live, share it with other men in your life. Glen Osko let me bring you in! Welcome sir! Not quite champagne but the entire British Empire was built on cups of tea Jonnie and I'm not about to go onto The Wrap Up without one Secretly it's vodka or something like that basically. I just said it was a cup um that should have tea in it as much as I'll admit to. Okie dokie, well am I...well do I think I prefer that view? Do we prefer that view yeah I think I prefer that view We can have the nice sort of Sky Sports view with the different backgrounds and stuff but I feel like you're a bit far away Jonnie when were not in the same room I always feel too far away from you True true

02:43 Although just across the other side of town, a funny little story which I'll touch on briefly. When Glen and I first got introduced it was on via Twitter and someone said oh you know the guy the ultimate bloke you want to get on as your co-host for The Wrap Up is Glen Ocsko so i'm chatting away to Glen and we're getting like a house on fire... I go where do you live then? Expected him to say you know like Penrith or something like that well no not Penrith he might have a Scottish accent! Anyway I didn't expect him to say West Morley which is like five minutes down the road Although we are online, we are but a couple of miles away from each other. How are you Glen? It's good to see you back! As always Jonnie I feel like i'm living the dream life is ticking over rather magnificently in almost every way so uh yeah i'm quietly chuffed with surviving at the moment Nice have you been break dancing this morning or somewhere fly like that with that jacket on

03:36 This is actually my Squid Games jacket. You've seen Squid Games, right? I haven't no because i understand it's quite gruesome and dramatic but i have watched Beast games which is very pretty much a A version of... Beast Games is a poor man's idea of what a rip-off it might be if it was done badly. Squid Game, especially the first series absolutely banging! It's the sort of show I thought okay well there's all the hype let me put one episode on at half past nine. I kid you not Jonnie for 4am I finish the series. I was absolutely hooked! Yeah, superb television and i'm sure we'll have a few things to say about Curran Zeitgeist when it comes to TV as well later on

04:21 I, do you know what one of my favourite ever TV series is that I binged? One of the first ever binged series like when TV became on demand was The Inbetweeners. Far less dramatic and it's Squid Game's gory and stuff isn't I don't want to give too many spoilers away. There's a few people die, i'll give you that okay but it's more psychological and the lengths that people will go to for success they're desperate in various different ways what people will put up with and do in order to get ahead in life and it's both terrifying and educational

05:04 And that's what we're doing here. Blimey, this is terrifying and educational perfect so perfect actually what are we doing? Let me tell people what we're doing here the wrap up Glen and I used to do this on a Friday every Friday but it was kind of during lockdown so nothing better to do but um We just riff on what's been going on over the last period and we're two, you know I'm 50. Glen is about a little bit younger than me aren't you? Yeah i am 44 English years old okay so two middle-aged British dads The Wrap Up,

06:00 Football podcasts enjoy the banter that goes on there and thought why isn't there more chit-chat and laughter for men to sit in and enjoy it on the way home, on the train, in the car or in the gym whatever. So that's really what we do Well, that's the thing. Cause I know that I don't get out to see my mates hardly at all. My mates live all over the country. You're the closest friend I've gotten physically in life. Everyone else lives North London or Slough or Devon or Rugby or Melbourne for God sake. So I don't get to just hang out. You just casually drop Slough into that list of lovely places!

06:39 Well, you know it's got its actually no it's not slough. It stains. Stains upon Thames and the upon Thames is absolutely vital to keep house prices up right? But yeah, they're all over the place and there's something really nice about just being able to listen to and be part of a couple of fellas just shooting the shit. And seeing what's going on and just hanging out because almost everything these days is if you're having a meeting, you have an agenda, you have your talk and then you leave and go to another meeting, then you go home...and that's it! Where's just the things you'd normally chat about down the pub? Talking shit to each other, basically. That's that... You know men do that brilliantly and I think it's..I'm in a lot of men's groups right as you can imagine for being High Value Man Project everything we do working with men and dads there's lots of misery in these groups and people talking about I'm bored! I'm lonely! I'm having a shit life and

07:41 I do respect the place that anyone's in, but if you're not going to do anything about it. If you're not gonna go out and join a flipping running club or band club or rock choir of all orthologies any bloody chess club flippin learn how to make it I don't know, learn bushcraft whatever. There's never been more clubs to go and flip in join so it does my not doesn't do my head in now feel like I want to encourage and support these people but I go to the lengths of writing a reply like oh what you need to do is up after never bloody do it apps they just want to sit in their misery basically There's nothing more comfortable than not doing anything because then you can blame someone else. So many men there, and people in general of course but I only know from my perspective are happy sitting there and not doing something because then it's someone else's fault for them not being happy or not having that group to go too when actually you're exactly right is in their control they're the ones who should be doing something but if it's someone else's fault rather than themselves yeah that's a lot more comfortable right? It's good to blame someone else rather than take responsibility for yourself

08:46 Yep, and a modern day plague basically. So use this as a call to action gents if you're tuning in and you happen to be one of those guys who's feeling a bit shit then bloody get out there and do something about it! There isn't another option... well there is a magic pill it's called a pill but it's gonna wear off after a few hours and you'll be back where you started But nonetheless, get out there and if you don't know what that means then get over to the highvaluemanproject.com forward slash group and I will give you some bloody pointers on how to shake your life up and start to enjoy yourself basically

09:25 Now, Glen I made a little list. People might be watching this and listening to this thinking it's supremely slick and well-oiled and totally organic and spontaneous but i do actually have a little list of things that have been going on this week. Role models... did you hear Gareth Southgate give his David Dimbleby speech? Not I don't know, I dare say you weren't there but did you hear about it Well first it was Richard Dinwillby rather than David. If it's David I can get on the blow, do you know what? I did David Dinwillby after the retirement speech at Buckingham Palace once over dinner! You did it?! What do you mean you like it?

10:02 Yeah, yeah. David Dimbleby was retiring from a charity and I was asked... Princess Anne was the patron and she came in one day just to the office because she's doing it all time. She said oh i've had an idea! David's retiring let's give him a dinner at one of mummy's houses um and so yeah there were 15 of us trotted off to Buckingham Palace and I did the after-dinner speech so if it'd been David I could have got him on the blubber and had a quick chat. But no, it was Richard Dimbleby but yeah...I didn't hear it but I did read a couple of articles about it do you want to share what it was for those who didn't know? Yeah I mean I guess he was partly motivated by the InCell's Adolescence TV program which is on Netflix that everyone's talking about and rightly so! It's a you know I've watched the first one I'm yet to finish it so I can't pretend like I've watched all of them

10:51 I get it, you know Mr Tate and all those negative online influencers which i do have a perspective on as well. We'll easily get this conversation muddled up twisted around now but just keep with on the Gareth Southgate's topic to start with he was basically talking about role models And about how we, you know about how our lads in particular and young people need better role models in order to shape them and to turn out as good human beings. And then Starmers jumped on the bandwagon and said, oh we're going to teach misogyny in school. Not teach misogyny... Teach anti-misogyny in school! That's the problem right? Yeah but I mean it's just the way that people talk about it and jump on the band wagon. So I made a video this week thinking about all this. I've been banging this drum for ages talking about how our lads are given

11:50 They go into school and there's, this is slightly more rounded than this but they're talked about race subjects. They talk about you know how to respect women subjects and consent and all that there's the whole LGBTQT everything and this is mainly feedback coming from my lad he's going you're never gonna guess what they talked about us now and it's not that all those things aren't valid and important because you know they're helpful but Brainwork, a simple time on what's it like to be a lad? What is it like to be a young bloke? You know what's literally talking in language and terms that they're going to relate to and be on board with. So I've been banging that drum for ages so in terms of you know Andrew Tate and everything that goes on there... There are loads of influencers online who do say really good things

12:46 who do make good videos, who do encourage lads to get out there and get fit and hang out with them. There's Eat Right! Of course only the negative ones get all the attention. I was listening to another excellent podcast Lads Anonymous and they were doing stuff on misogyny recently and i think one of them made the point that All the rhetoric coming is men are the problem and a bad man need to sort it out then you got a small bunch of in sales in this world saying what actually not your brilliant everyone else's the problem if you're getting ground down as a young man,

13:29 And you're being told by one group, you're a problem. You need to sort it out on another group. You're not a problem. You're one of us. You are great guy and it's them that the problem. Of course, you've got to gravitate towards that messaging because it is comfortable with protective. It's making you part over a group and there's nothing on the other side to say you're not part of your... you're not the problem It's other people who are. Now, this is how we can make sure you stay not a problem. This is how we can give you the tools and support to be a positive guy and grow in a positive way. But if we just keep saying that young men are the problem constantly it's going to get more and more like isolating and kind of opposing sides are gonna get further and further apart. You're gonna push these lads towards it?

14:17 It's like telling our kids that smoking weed or taking a pill isn't fun. If you just say to them, it's dangerous don't do that which is a valid message in itself none of their friends or people who are older than them have done it are going to say oh yeah your dad's right actually they're gonna say I've done loads bloody fun go for it so we have to be able to say that is happening So were gonna acknowledge and talk about it and by the way here's an alternative view You know these guys, they're just filling a void basically and they're making money out of it. So there's nothing like... And in a twisted way so I try to wrestle with these things all at different angles as i'm going through them There is a lot goes on in the world that is fundamentally wrong and no one makes bats their eyelids about it McDonalds or any kind of takeaway that sells low-grade food and makes us obese like there's something fundamentally that's abusing a situation

15:16 And then here these guys are, there's a disenfranchised group of men. They're feeling like no one is listening to them they want some encouragement they want to have their feelings justified and by the way here are some hints tips and tricks on how to make money how to get laid how together okay yeah I'll have a bit of that thanks very much! To say that it's wrong Controversial, and I don't want to get myself in trouble here but some of what Andrew Tate says is actually alright. Like not all... I'm sure flipping Hitler said a few things that were alright that's why millions of people followed him to start with right? It was only later on he went and said the whole load of mad shit and did horrific things so

16:00 It's it but that's extremism always has that there is an element of its attractive and mainstream and then once you get inside then they say well if you like what I had to say this morning listen to all this stuff. That's the issue, its all the other stuff that colours it because clearly Andrew Tait says If someone else said it, would be absolutely fine. He's saying in order to create that entry thought the entry thought that I'm an okay guy on one of you he's got a long-term evil outcome attached to everything he says which is...I think he's evil there's no two ways about it but I'm happy to put that on the record as well The

16:57 That's wrong. Here is something that equally you believe in and are happy to hear, now let us put you in a more positive direction." That's what good role models do. They embody the things we want young men in society to be growing up with and we don't have them too much because We've changed the society, right? We're no longer brought up by our own little village. We're brought up by everyone we've got access to every person in the bloody world in our pockets so um...we don't have that one-on-one accountability for shaping young minds and that was what I recorded a 10 minute video about this week saying you know the role model that our children want or the role model that your children want is you obviously it was good you know who's your role model growing up

17:45 Well, that was the funny thing I was talking about in the video. Like as a lad of the 80's 90's you kind of go okay well... Was it Michael Knight? Was it Mitch Buchanan? Which member of The A-Team? If there was going to be one of them who would it be like? And you kinda go well actually yeah was it Hulk Hogan? You know Rocky Balboa? Honestly none of them No pop star. Yeah, they were very much of their time right? You look at any one of those characters now you'd think mate you can't act like that but in their time that was a different world and so they were progressing it a little bit in the right direction

18:28 Jim Davidson was a successful TV star around those times. That tells you where the world has changed, right? But no my point is they weren't necessarily role models they were just like male figures that were prominent in our day-to-day life obviously on TV so now you fast forward into 2025 who are the prominent male figures all around us But my point was, my role models were the people closest to me. My dad for all his maverick ways and shortcomings in certain areas is an incredible man who I would

19:05 You know, certainly taking all these good bits. I'm like yeah! I want to be that guy. I want to be the man that stays connected to everybody that runs successful businesses, that celebrates his losses and his wins with just as much vigor, that has friends all around the world, that is able to conjure up a party in a social occasion from nothing and people Talk about that time when like hundred number of met thousands of my dad's friends in the years and they all talk about the incredible time they have been my dad when. You know so i'm like yeah I would love people to be able just speak about that let me uncle robin america,

19:49 Go on. Do you reckon that puts pressure on you just as a man and dad because you've got two kids? And do, do ever think about when you're making decisions is this me being in a good role model for my kids? Is that ever like a conscious thought in your brain? I am very conscious about being a role model for my kids um and I come from that place in terms of the effort and focus and energy I want to put into them. I am a strong believer...I say this to men I work with I am creating my kids as parents like who i am to them is who they'll be to their kids so that's the place that i come from. So when im bollocking him, Im like i want him to remember this day when he's bollocking his kid you know and there are some times where i've really taken

20:46 elements of some of my experiences that were harder, I'm not giving my kid a thrashing like some of the times i got when i was a kid. But to...I've gotten his face a couple times and I'll be like come on then if you're gonna push it that far If you think this is how normal life works You're going sit in the back of the car and take the piss like that Then when we get out I'm not gonna do what my dad did but I am gonna confront you about it Because you need to get what was going on there. So, you either recognize this relationship, this domain where I'm dad and I do get to say what goes on for certainly for another couple of years and your only job really is a take that onboard mull it over and hopefully become a better person because of it. You don't just get to shit all over me and think that's gonna be fine because that's not how parenting work. That I'm shaping you as a human being

21:44 And you're gonna take the piss and I'm okay with you taking the piss because that's what young lads do, that's what kids do. That's this experience we are going through and just like... I don't fish at all it is a most ridiculous analogy to give but i'll let the line run and i'll let the line run and say dude you are getting into end of rope here You are taking the piss too much and you need to readjust And then thankfully because of some of those times when I've really like, okay now you crossed the line. I feel that my kids are getting it so as that role model when i go out running... When I'm doing.. I said to him right? I'm going out running and he came with me oh well we're gonna play Mike's box actually okay go on then your lazy shit! Like so that I can still beat him in a race. I'm still stronger than him yeah I think if my kid wanted to fight me I'd probably steal

22:35 Win that fight! I mean he's only 15 right but, but um... That's the kind of role model and there are so many aspects to it. I've got this thing about not lying to my kids you know Father Christmas and The Snowman aside or The Tooth Fairy aside right? I'm like did you take drugs when your a kid? I was like am going to be honest with you yes i did alright? I'm not gonna pretend and go around and be horrified But guess what? I'm gonna talk to you about in a way that no one spoke to me about So that when that opportunity comes for you to try, I would like to think that you might take this conversation and decide no. Or here's a conversation about women. Here's the conversation about not getting your heart broken or not being addicted and chasing after women that don't really deserve to be chased after his good conversation for later on. Would you find it difficult to be a role model? It's not all easy right because none of us have got all the answers

23:43 I just take it as a great privilege. I reflect a lot, there's very little I say sometimes it might seem that I say things like really slapdash and off the cuff right but they're generally scenarios that I've considered you know like the smoking weed subject I'm like listen you know I didn't do until I was 17 I didn't did I do do that here's what happens if you have a whitey here's what happens to me feels it is what happens all sorts of things like that oh it will come back Come on camera, come back. For our listeners on this one Jonnie has now disappeared and come back again that was the shittiest magic trick I think i've ever seen! I know imagine if I'd come back like a with like a bunny outfit on there we go um so yeah I take it as a privilege to be a role model for my kid and

24:36 I don't think my dad necessarily would ever have imagined if you asked him that question, he would say well yeah of course i'm a role model for him. He said things to me in the past like my dad never told me nothing so i'm not going to tell you nothing and by the way you wouldn't bloody listen anyway which is a valid quite British sort of position and my granddad wasn't necessarily the most vocal person. I think he was probably terrified of my granny who was an incredible woman, very funny, very dry and sharp but apparently she like ruled the roost completely over my grandad so... But my American dad, my uncle Rob just incredible bloke clear boundaries, funny as hell

25:34 Looking for the grey areas and being opportunistic when situations took it, you know. If you start saying good looking as well I'm thinking of describing me! But because he was my uncle and more like surrogate dad basically we used to go over there in the summers basically give my dad a break much more fun in Chicago than what they made them right? That excitement and that energy that I felt being around him, I want my kids to grow up with that experience of life. But I think that's another thing it is way easier to be a positive role model to someone who is not your kids

26:16 I'm not saying you act differently, but you're there from a purely positive perspective. You know? You're there to just give them some advice and guide them into doing those bits and pieces. And i'm not saying that you don't have responsibility for them but if it all fucks up most of them got parents who will also counterbalance that so your one voice whereas when your parent even though you are not you feel like you are only voice talking any sense to some of Yeah, when I was a youth worker trying to be that positive male role model as well to young lads who their dads weren't around or they were in prison or they were outside of the country or they'd never met them. They just didn't have any example of a positive male in their lives because where they grew up was just a crime-ridden three generations jobless shithole

27:07 And so that kind of gave me the chance to speak to young lads and just show them. I'm not saying I'm perfect, and I was clear with them—I am not! But you don't have to go down that route because there's other things you can do. That's very much my high value man message right? It's that you don't have to be the perfect bloke, you don't have to have the perfect life but to be able to go through this experience and enjoy it... To read stuff that helps you grow as a or watch stuff that helps you grow as a human being Embrace relationships and see how you're showing up in them, not angry or jealous or demanding. To start just continue to evolve and shape yourself as your going through life. You'll be like okay well that's what makes it interesting that's what makes it experience so I don't listen I'm not saying I'm the perfect parent by any means but

28:03 I mean, my kids coming out of a divorce and credit to their mum because clearly she has a role to play in this. I take great pride in how well my kids are doing and I don't have that down as any kind of accident at all I agree. And, uh, I think we've probably spoken about this before...I've got a big thing that if my kids are shits when they're 15 that's because i fucked up when they were five because it's not something you can just leave till later and I'll deal with that when they're older than they understand from the earliest age possible and the best time would have been when they were born The second best time is right now whenever there is cause as early as possible

28:45 The Wrap Up, High Hopes, Be an apparent you need to do that as early as possible because putting those building blocks in place when they are little and they don't remember if they don't understand everything. Will that just builds upon stuff later on it lays the foundations allow you to build these beautiful structures that are our kids so yeah I just think is something that you have to start working hard at from day one, and continue that work until the day you die really

29:24 Yeah, and for any men I talk about this with dads that I work with who are coming to this moment of realization and their kids are already 15. Don't think you can snap your fingers and suddenly make it all okay You're gonna have to sit that kid down and pretty much get real with them Son, daughter...I think i've done a bit of shit job up until now I've learned some stuff recently I don't expect it to make an instant difference but this is my new promise This is like a proper apology Letting them know what you're apologizing for, letting them know what you think the impact might have been on them. Letting them know that you are sorry for that and then letting them know like what your promise is to the future and then sticking to that I got taught that as like the framework for a genuine full apology before And actually saying that to our kids like do you know what here's my new commitment i don't expect you to be all on board right now but that's what i'm gonna do

30:15 and then try not to make it like a New Year's resolution where so many of them, if you break it once that's done. If you say I'm going to not drink and then on January the 6th you go out on a beautiful day and end up having a glass of wine thats it The Oh, the payoffs brilliant. And I'm not saying my kids are perfect but i really like them! I think they're good little kids and uh they're turning they're going to turn into good adults. No they're gonna listen clearly you know some of your kids are adults now right? And being around them um is driving a lesson. You're eldest

31:09 No, sorry. My eldest boy... my oldest daughter she uh... I know she passed last year or something didn't it? She doesn't drive sadly but my boy is much more kind of driven pardon the pun um he wants to make this happen so yeah he's just got off his ass and uh yeah did his first lesson day before yesterday and unless there's been a cover-up nobody died But annoyingly, I can't put him on my car insurance because i've got um...I think my motor's just a bit too big. So yeah they won't quote to put him on it so he's gonna have to save up and get himself a little rubbish banger to kind of go around. You can't buy rubbish bangers! Okay right let's move onto this before we wander into this okay? I just want to close off the role model conversation right but for me being a role model to our kid

32:00 It's not really a choice. You can choose not to be it, granted okay? But every dad knows how much our kid wants to emulate us right and the example I used in my talk was if you say shit when the kids just starting to talk and then the kid walks around for next week saying shit! Shit! Shit! Shit! No don't say that like they want to emulate us they want to copy us right so... And if you don't feel like you've got enough Foundation, knowledge confidence to be that role model and get amongst other men. Get amongst other dads and just take it on as like an honor, absolute honor to be like well what didn't I get when i was growing up? How could I be more of that to my kids? And for me the distinction of actually choosing to be that is actually enough

32:54 And a bit like you said about the news resolutions, as long as you just flip in lean into it and keep going then then then you're beating that. You're absolutely being that serious point over there we go um where did we get up to driving lessons what were we saying yeah what was your first car though oh yeah you can't buy bangers you cannot buy bangers anymore So you can buy little cars like a Nissan Micro or something. Yes, you can but they're not like the flipping rust bucket on wheels that I had when i was learning to drive my dad got me a Fiat Panda one of the old kind of square kind of eastern european looking ones

33:38 Add it was a thousand cc one liter engine so it was had pockets of rust where you could see through the floor and the road going under underneath right and it was literally go car. It was absolutely brilliant and of course, The sensible speed to have driven it would have been about 55 maybe 60 and I was only happy if it was screaming at 85 miles an hour. Or downhill with the wind going. Suffice to say, I wrote it off about six weeks after I passed my test

34:22 Well, yeah. That's the thing about first cars and you're right. You only get like decent-ish motors these days that they're all fairly nice I keep thinking with where are the old crappy Ford Fiestas my mate had one was a bogey green and it was so rough that we used to just go down the scrapyard and just replace bits The Oh, those days are gone. Actual scrap... imagine saying that to a kid now! Yeah yeah you just go to this place there's loads of old cars piled up and you go and pick the bits you want and then you go and show them to the guy before you leave and then he tells you how much it's going to cost. Oh absolutely and then you kind of go back can you just see if they fit? And you're climbing up those sort of two three four stacks of cars um oh it was great I just

35:23 I'm Yeah, because like I said, I lived in London. I lived a few minutes from a tube stop from bus stops from cabs there was just no need for me to do it until I nearly missed my daughter's birth so um yeah and at that point of all i might as well learn so i never went through the kind of crappy banger to start with my first car had to be a family car it was like a Ford uh oh what they called um what not what came after an Escort? A Mondeo Not a Mondeo but the same sort of one the Sierra

36:02 Oh, Ford Focus! That's the first car. You really were old. Yeah yeah. Do you know what? The reason I'm not looking so shocked is that...I think you told me this before in fact i know you told me this before and that time I did look shocked. I took driving as an element of masculinity like a I need to drive, but then my dad was involved in motorsport and so it did. Yeah we grew up without a car really. My stepdad sometimes had the work van like a big Ford Transit or a little one where you know in the back of it there were no seats it was just that there's space and we'd be put in the back of the back of the van and there were these little discs like chunky hockey pucks that he would roll around and tumble around because he worked on railways

36:54 And it was only years later I discovered those little discs were actually explosive bolts that get put on the tracks to warn, like trains run over them and there's a massive noise to make sure that anyone down the line knows there is a train coming. They were just rolling around and we could absolutely have lost a limb I reckon. Man! Similar story... We broke into a disused mental home in Stafford when we were students And we were in a slightly altered state shall we say and so we go around this hospital and there was loads of stuff left in there that we found it was like a mental hospital as well. So I found this old reel to reel tape player and loads of reels, and then we found these sticky

37:46 Circles and we were kind of sticking them on our face doing like Mexican sort of impressions and thinking, we were like you know, oh gringo. You know what it's like? So we get back to the house and we got some of this tut that we've just been titting about with us And one of the girls is a nurse and so she goes, oh do you know what those are? I'm like of course we don't know what they are. She goes they're the sticky bits they attach um colostomy bags to blokes! I'll take that away from my mouth. No, I do love the idea there are people who do this what they do is funny as they break into like abandoned places. I saw one who broke into an old Formula One factory

38:36 And it just is fascinating. Like you say, there's full of random stuff that kind of get left I expected it to be all gone or stripped out and sold or moved on somewhere else but there's loads of just random stuff in this beautiful massive derelict building. I absolutely love derelict buildings! I think they're... They're just fascinating You had this world where hundreds or thousands of people found that the most important place for so long and then nothing they've gone There's no one goes here anymore I watch some bizarre crap on TV, like little half-hour programs where i've been working late and i just need to down you know detune before going to bed. And there's a place... There's one of the ones like on Discovery or random channel it's called Abandoned Towns. Right! Whole town! Like Milton Keynes?

39:28 Wow. It's like old, like a cowboy town that was the all the railways used to go through and then they invented electric trains or whatever and then I write we don't need to go that way anymore and there's just a whole town of bad stuff places in you know Eastern Europe There's a desert in Russia that Russia drained the water from Like, hey, we will now take your water. It's just a whole scorched earth and there is a town on what was on the edge of a lake just you know there it goes probably not that interesting to the average human being but I tell you what is a great TV program right little segue neatly done slick as ever have you watched um the new Jimmy Carr program about uh

40:20 The Oh it's gold. Now if you're not that into comedy, like in just...if you don't enjoy the art of comedy if two people titting about for no other reason than they can, If that's not the sort of thing that makes you laugh then you're not going to enjoy it basically You've got to be someone who wants to find the fun in life and then It's set up like a reality TV show basically and

41:11 Some kind of 10 proper comedians. And guess what? They're evenly balanced between men and women now, which is absolutely fine! I didn't know everybody... the older comedians are the more famous ones you recognize, you know Bob Mortimer's in there, Bob Mortimer's in there. I think Alison Harris, is it? She's on it as well, which is brilliant. Daisy May Cooper is on it. Rob someone with the teeth! Oh Rob Beckett, Rob Beckett... So they're in so they get that seer of comedian right? Yeah yeah so they get put into a room and then Jimmy Carr comes in and says oh yeah welcome when you hear this sound the game is on and you are not allowed to laugh or smile

42:05 Oh my gosh so then they just it's a combination of people having ordinary chit chat but they're just funny anyway and I can't help but say something silly another person trying to laugh, when you got people who do something with the intention of making someone else laughs like set them up but there In their mind, they know it's hilarious. So they're now trying not to laugh themselves you know like in Arthur when Dudley Moore goes sometimes I just think funny things right? It's just gold, absolute comedy gold. There is nothing funnier than a comedian trying to make another comedian laugh because they can see the other comedian you can see that they can plot out the punchlines coming it so much harder So you have to be so much more creative to create the alternative that they didn't see that is going to be funny Yeah and that is... That's the magic of

43:03 stand-up comedy and people that are comedians, like as for the art of being a comedian. Have you ever watched... an open mic night and done some comedy yourself. I haven't, and i'm up for it! I actually have thought about it and other than the reality of finding the time to do it...I know people that have done like the ones in London and sometimes there's you know London companies agencies whatever they do in their well-being stuff they're like right you've got to do something Twice a year. My cousin's actually done the stand up one as well, so I know I should and it's coming it's going to be there who knows maybe I'm hilarious in fact I know I'm hilarious of course! You think funny things that's what you do yeah I did it first time was by mistake not my mistake but I didn't realize I was doing it back

43:56 Back when I was, so about a year or so ago, year and half ago went on this...I got signed up for a singles comedy night. Now i thought great you turn up the audience is all made of single people and there's going to be some great comedians who are going to talk about being single! This is great and so everyone's gonna laugh and then during the intervals you're all meeting and talking and chatting And then I got there and it turns out it was an open mic thing. So the only people that were going to be on stage were people from the audience, because I knew the host he grabbed me up on stage and said right talk about being single. So I, yeah, riffed on a load of stuff and then he invited me back another time that time i prepared a little bit. I knew that he was going to pull me up so actually had a nice little set done and it's so much fun when you get an audience laughing especially ones that weren't laughing before uh...I can absolutely see why comedians get addicted to it

44:52 Okay, yes. That's good Glen! You got thrown in a deep end and you nailed it that is kudos to you my friend. You've gotta try these things right? I'm not saying I couldn't do it as a job but what's the worst that happens? You walk off and you never see those people again so don't worry about it. Yeah... you laugh at the experience of no one laughing yeah that's just that's the magic of it there are Quality, I could talk about comedy for hours. As a value add to people that are listening or watching go and watch comedians in cars getting coffee that is Jerry Seinfeld having coffee with other comedians talking about the art of comedy and just titting about as they drink a cup of coffee laughing at each other That is funny

45:41 Impractical Jokers, The Four Yanks, The Friends that just prank like they set each other up and do silly things. That is funny! So funny. Similar to that, I've seen Trigger Happy TV is doing a bit...I won't say comeback but i know they're doing something soon because it's like 25 years or so since they left screens and don't know if anyone doesn't know about Trigger Happy TV but I think it might be one of the funniest shows in history. It was so far ahead of its time because these days... Is that Dom Jonnie with the big phone?

46:18 Yeah, hello! I'm on the mobile! That sort of shit. But every single one of their things... some of them worked some of them didn't but they would just be TikTok videos these days or Instagram Reel videos that every single one of them was just brilliant in and of itself and they used to just put together shit tons of them and some were great and some you never saw again. I don't know if TV's like that there was Big Train Little Britain Smack the Pony, The Fast Show. That's what I was trying to get here and then Vic & Bob as well just you know really comedy! I can't remember the last great sketch show since the days of Goodness Gracious Me there were loads that were great and then they all stopped what happened to sketch shows why don't you get them anymore? Any comedy really

47:10 Hello, hello. British Empire only fools and horses I know we sound like a couple of old gits here talking about old TV programs but this...I think the world's so woke now that comedians are too scared or probably people that commission TV are too scared to you know do anything. You had Mock The Week for an old time um but then no the one the funny one i watch these days is Taskmaster which might be one of the best shows on all television And it's just genius. They've got a new series coming out soon and I'm so excited for it! They also have the Taskmaster Live experience where you can go along and kind of do the tasks, and be part of the show as well

47:51 Okay, I'm gonna share with you over a beer at your house my idea for the High Value Man live sessions right so this could catch fire because i've already got the embers of an idea that i'm working on. By the way before we change subject for the final time Steel Game is one of my comedy guilty pleasures it's made by BBC Scotland It's basically a sitcom about a bunch of old blokes in Scotland Oh my god it is funny. You just have to search it up whether its on iPlayer or on your Firestick dodgy, it's called Steel Game very very funny program. The only one, my final contribution to the funny things I've seen but also slightly heartbreaking but brilliant, I only just caught up with it and it's called Mum

48:43 It's on BBC iPlayer again, and it was only three series. And it was a few years ago 20... I think you're finishing about 2019 and it just about this middle-aged woman, I think she's 59 or something like that. Her husband dies and it's just her navigating that next year or two. And my God! It's bloody 10 minutes to go till we wrap up the Wrap Up.

49:24 Easter's coming up, the end of school term. What's this time of year like for you? I'm so glad that winter is over! It has kind of gone quite quick as well which is always a bit worrying when they say time seems to go faster and faster the older you get but are you happy have you had a good winter? Are you excited for spring arriving Yeah, I mean my version of that is like a toilet roll. At the start it feels like it will go on forever but it runs away real quick at the end and yeah certainly my winter feels... It doesn't sound stupid! It doesn't feel like its been as long or as cold. Like normally in the winter I'm sitting at my desk and even though I heat up my office during the rest of day the rest of house is cold

50:11 And no matter how hot I try and make it, my hands get cold and I kind of shiver. This year didn't have that! It's just been relatively mild and...I'm kinda glad to see the back of it though. I love that moment when you get the buds and the blossoms and bits and pieces not because it means I don't have to paint a heaper house anymore But it's just nice. I'm a child of the summer, and quite happily live in a world where it was summer almost all the time and then maybe three weeks of deep winter but then the rest of its summer. Yeah everyone smiling shorts T-shirts legs everywhere. Cold wine in the sun barbecues being able to go out and not have to worry about jackets and that sort of stuff

51:01 Just yeah, I'm really looking forward to the summer. And I've got loads of things to come up as well. I've got holidays, I've got loads of gigs like this weekend iIm going to see The Darkness supported by Ash two of my favorite bands from about 20-25 years ago! I wanted to see either of them but two in one night? Awesome can't wait Well they were doing really well the Dartneys weren't they and then he got flipping hooked on heroin or something. Yeah that tends to take um take the edge off your rock n' roll lifestyle right? Well, he was probably still enjoying it but for the rest of the band quite tricky yeah now that sounds like absolute hell to me! I could

51:40 I couldn't think of worse, like if you went even more heavy metal that would be worse but... Well there's a load more i've got including Skunk and Antsy being supported by The Smashing Pumpkins. You might be happy to know that i'm going to see Ryan not Brian, Ryan Adams uh that one wasn't my choice but yeah Block Party have got coming up loads of live music the Flaming Lips The E of the Fire Code is energy. So, the amount of fun adventure and peace you've got in your life plans to look forward to memories to look back on as a mental health

52:29 That's one of the most important things that a man can do for himself and people around him. If you're managing your relationship, if you've got nothing going on, nothing planned, nothing to look forward to, nothing to surprise the woman in your life like guess what I've booked? Guess what we're gonna go and do! It sounds like the most basic thing to say oh this is a hack this will improve your life it'll make your relationship stronger but it's absolutely essential. It's not just if you're with someone else. For much of the last seven or eight years, I've basically been single What I often did was book myself gigs that I wanted to go to and always booked two tickets That way either you meet someone If you want to come along to this gig with me great that's great And that's a nice date idea Or You can always find a mate who is willing to go Worst case scenario? You don't! You sell the ticket, give it away Just by yourself

53:26 But doing stuff, having stuff that you know you want to do. Got to make it happen! Got to make it happen because no one's going to make it happen for you. Exactly. It puts your future in front of you which is an obvious thing to say about but actually makes a tangible thing you're working towards if you've got nothing planned nothing to look forward to then there's literally nothing in front of you going back to that point earlier about blokes Bleating on in Facebook groups about they got no life and no prospects and nothing, I don't know what i'm going to do with myself. It's such a basic question, what have you got planned? What are you talking about? I've got nothing planned! I just said I'm miserable well then make a list

54:10 And you're going to be then surrounded, you'll be surrounding yourself with people who like doing those same things as well. So you might meet a person whether it's a new friend or romantic partner whatever the more you put yourselves in those positions about things that you enjoy not just stuff to do but things actually enjoy the more you surround yourself with people who are in that same sort of mindset and you know you just never know what is gonna happen as a result Absolutely it's a upward trajectory, forward motion. It is literally how you make life work and I know it's such an important message that as we get towards the end of this wrap up I hope everyone has had a good time talking about role models talking about laughter and ending this on making plans having things to look forward too

54:59 The secrets of success aren't really that secret but how to have a shit life is flipping obvious as well and I want everybody, i want men around the world to rise up, to level-up. To look at what it takes to have a laugh, to see old friends, to be that top bloke who their kid looks up to and goes actually my dad's dude! My dad He actually makes time for us, we have a laugh together. Like he watches TV with me he understands what I'm up to or is interested in my friends or football or what i listen to...I hate the music my kids listen to but I still know what it is and I still know who they are like that's that's the level of intentionality of being in your kid's life and um and bugger me have some fun literally! I know that the whole wrap-up was intended to be fun but

55:53 Be a fun person, literally. The idea that... Going back to that point about you can be ugly or you could be skint or you could be boring right? The chance of being all three is on you because if your fucking ugly then go and get fit make some money and if your rich as fuck but your boring well thats probably going to work out as well its not really the life I advocate It is in our hands, men. Come on! Get out there and do stuff. Any wrap up from you Glen? Any final words of wisdom or nonsense that you want to leave us with? I've no doubt there is yeah we're doing the traitors in the office now um... We started it-I'm a big fan of The Traitors as another bit of trash tennery. Love The Traitors yep And so I've convinced everyone to play The Traitors in the office and we've got banishments and murders and that sort of stuff

56:51 But I didn't, I wanted to be a traitor because i think that's the funnest thing and also you don't have to worry about being murdered if you're doing the murdering. I'm a faithful annoyingly do you know how hard it is to get people to believe you that your faithful like its really hard you can't prove it negative so if anyone has any ideas on how to get people to believe the truth I am all ears How to believe the truth. That is probably the, you know what's the secret of life or how long is a piece of string like this? How do I get people to believe the truth if... It's mad! Yeah it's just frustrating because you can't change opinions with facts so um I need to find a way of changing opinions to make sure they don't banish me at the first opportunity Ask Donald Trump he knows all about it. I'll send him a message on Signal Good lad good lad

57:45 Glen, good to see you. We will be back for the next episode of The Wrap Up if you have enjoyed this then make sure you subscribe share it with other men in your world and yeah get yourself over to the highvaluemanproject.com forward slash group we'll get you into the base camp and set you off on the way of being a high value man I'll see you soon Glen take easy ciao