Work So Hard Burnout Nearly Killed Him feat. Nick Medlock

00:00 I had 12 minutes worth of seizure. So after two minutes you start getting brain damage, starvation to the brain and then what happened was my body somehow some miracle shocked itself back. I was extremely lucky in the hospital said that only survived because I am...I was so fit at the time. I went back to work the next day that was my thought process is I have to work! That's how bad it got for me Welcome to The Jonnie Jensen Show, where modern dads discover how to create the true riches relationships and results they deserve. Get your high value man blueprint and join our community at highvaluemanproject.com Let's go! Welcome to The Jonnie Jensen Show it's great to have you back here for another week I don't know how you found me but if you're a subscriber then well... You've got the alert right? And if you've actually just been sitting here for the first time then brilliant Todays guest is Nick Medlock

01:04 I met Nick at a networking event and, by the end of the evening there was like six people all sat around Nick listening to him talk. And for a bloke who's just 33, business owner, multiple business owner, engaged son of eight years old from previous relationship...I was just like whoa this sorry It's a cool little lad, but I'm 52 raised 33. And there is something about this guy that is magnetic and I got him on the podcast today really just to chat. He's not famous he's not really got a huge horror story to share but what I do know about Nick is that the guy is incredibly resilient. He has recovered from burnout now running more successful businesses after selling his first successful business

01:55 And I just really wanted to get into a conversation that I think could be of value for a lot of other dads, single dads business owning dads. and we're just going to roll with it and see what comes up Nick welcome to The Jonnie Jensen Show Thanks for having me. That was a very nice introduction! Yeah, cheers, cheers, well like I said... Like i'm sure you must have realized it by the event finished and then there was like six of us still sat chatting which basically although it was a chat it was you in the middle and everyone else just mesmerized really. Oh I don't know if that's putting it politely but yeah I think it overran for about an hour in the end didn't it? Yeah it did, it did and obviously

02:34 Your business journey, right? And actually the first business and how that really involved your mom. And it was really focused on adult care. And I think perhaps that really touched a heart with, with uh...with a lot of us. So we're going to get stuck in into some of that but yeah tell us a little bit about yourself not you don't have to go war and peace but do you know where'd you live what are you up to? You know i think your Essex 33 dad! But yeah fill in the gaps for us. That's me predominantly so yeah Nick, 33 from Essex Dad of an eight-year old. He's my everything, business owner tried to put my hat in a lot of areas try new areas especially at the moment for the business which seems be succeeding but above all I just want it to be a positive force for people and I suppose that's a lot of what my message or goal is in life whether thats close family outsiders whatever it is

03:35 Remembered for more than just, here's Nick from Essex ran a business if that makes sense. Yeah it does I think perhaps that's what was the magnetic thing about you right? Not every most dads go yeah my lads my kids are everything right i'm this is all about them but you definitely have this message about being more for the community so where does that all come from like where can you trace So, I'm going to start off with a quick introduction.

04:28 Moving into working in care and seeing others who are maybe in a less fortunate position than me. And I looked at my life and there's a lot of gratitude that I could take for my situation, and I just thought anything I've gone through learnt from, I would like to stop others having to experience it. It's no skin off my back to try and be a bit positive every now and then is it? More people could be positive, more people could look out for other people. More people could see what's possible. How old were you when... I'm not 100% sure but I would guess probably about 13, 12-13 he moved to Ireland And

05:25 But I've come to a decision that if when I was a kid it wasn't good enough, then as an adult the situation stays the same. So maybe because I'm a dad now and I couldn't think of anything worse than walking out on my little one... It made me really question the morale behind moving to another country when you have children in this one. Each their own, he's got his own life to live, decisions to make but That's where I stand with it. Yeah, yeah and I think more interest in that was really as a teenager there you are, single mum have you got any brothers and sisters?

06:03 Yeah, there's four of us. Single mum... handful! Single mum worked very hard, she had four jobs I suppose we helped raise each other as siblings a very different world to what it is now but yeah there's 4 of us so one brother and two sisters And what were you like? Were you always studious, were you a good kid or were your bit of a handful. I would say i was in the middle yeah okay I would say that if he was to ask my mum and she's biased I suppose but she said I was a nice kid man and I tried hard and I recognized my mom is trying hard and wanted to help her where possible but probably could push myself more education wise by didn't like getting into much trouble

06:48 My group of friends, they're still my group of friends now. I had a great group of friends growing up and they just weren't troublemakers so I kept myself out of a lot of issues but could have probably done better with studying and I recognize that now that I run businesses etc it could help. Yeah yeah, mates are so important when i'm talking to When I'm encouraging dads, I'm working with you know in reality if your kids have got a solid group of mates the rest of it is not... You know you could ask them to revise more. You could ask them to do more homework. You could make sure they play a sport or musical instrument. You can do sort stuff like that but

07:30 Really one of the strongest foundations there is are they lucky enough to have a strong group of mates because I think so much about what a teenager's mental health gets pinched on is loneliness and isolation and feeling like the odd one out. And, and a group of mates will always support that really good group of mates. I couldn't agree more yeah good group of makes it I couldn't agree more So that's one of my concerns for my son growing up now when I was younger had a good group of friends we all loved football would come play in football park Now it's very online, it's very fast-natured. It's very judgmental. It's not the same and my concern would be him growing up without a good group of friends and then the impact that has on his latter life now he's just is a bubbly kid. He likes sports, he has friends I just hope this spills into as he gets older but I couldn't agree more that solid group of friends will keep you on

08:25 Yeah. And for me as a dad, like we get to role model there so our kids need to see us with friends you know it's an important part of the man's balance to have his home is business, his wife, his kids and social life really important yeah? Yeah I couldn't agree more So what happened at this end of school did you have any other jobs before you teamed up with your mum in that business Yeah, so I initially went to college. I didn't know what I wanted to do as opposed most teenagers don't actually know and their career falls into a certain path. I didn't know what I wanted to do but I used to love cooking So I trained as a chef

09:08 And I didn't really know where I was going with my career and then on the sidelines, my mum was setting up a care company. So she had been going for a little while and she asked me to join but It sounds a bit rude here, but she couldn't afford for me to join because our household I used to contribute fairly to the household. So I had still make sure bringing in the salary, but when the company was doing okay enough for me to come along and I joined, I joined in payroll. I didn't just become a director and I joined in the payroll department then was a carer then manager etc., And then led into becoming a director so it's both my only real job Sainsbury's and self-employed. Nice!

10:09 It's that entrepreneurial spirit, it just keeps bursting to get out of you. What I always knew, I wanted to do my own thing. I didn't know the path so I thought presented a major opportunity with the industry. My mum had worked in it for 40 years as she knew it very well. Unfortunately let's say business wasn't her strongest strength but caring was so the idea was I could hopefully bring in some foundations to the business and push that way and that's what ultimately pushed the business forward And how tough is it being around adults with learning disabilities, adults who need care? I sort of see sometimes in supermarkets or people taking people to a park or something and

10:56 You know, there's a carer there and then there s an adult. And they obviously need quite a lot of support and attention. It seems like almost like a little bit isolated, like they're trying to fit in with the everyday world. How tough is it for you know, to care for an adult with special needs? Very tough but in different ways so as same being a parent, you can be a shit parent or good parents You can be a bad carer or good carer. So it all depends on the foundations of a company that push you to deliver the care and do you have a good heart? When we used to interview, I was very conscious

11:34 A CV didn't really matter to me and experience wasn't the end of the world either. Oh, you're a good person! So some of the interviews could last three hours I think three hours is my longest interview because we would just talk and I used to feel if you couldn't sit and talk to me you're gonna seriously struggle to talk someone with autism who...you're gonna have to carry conversation so it can be hard there's ups-and-down days Deliver some support and change someone's life for the better. It's a feeling you can't really find in other sectors, other businesses looking at numbers unless you're fully focused on earning money that's satisfying in one way but the feeling of changing life helping someone... You can't match it and then that's what drives the passion for it So the things are difficult become less difficult because your'e so passionate I hope

12:33 And And what sort of numbers, how many

13:20 People in the community need care like this? Oh, the figures are huge. I believe now this was two years ago I had a meeting with someone at local authority and I believe just adult social care so ignore NHS and all that kind of stuff just adult social care which is what I worked in. I believe it costs us Essex 90 million a year So care isn't cheap to deliver you would think someone running their own in a It doesn't work like that. Very tight margins, especially if you want a good company putting the money back into it but I suppose that shows the scale of care required in that area and you believe there's elderly cared for disabilities as children said... There are all different types so is vast and what you have to be very careful of us is

14:09 And And that was always the thing, to the point where I felt like I couldn't do my best anymore or fell out of love with it. I had to separate, I had to part ways and it wasn't a fell out of love with it... I had some ill health burnout, I was quite unwell that ultimately if I carried on rather than die is what the doctor said or I'm going to have to. Um, I won't be able to give it my everything and the people we support deserve better than that if that made sense. That's beautiful yeah so what sort of age are you? Sorry let me ask a better question

15:04 Things were going great and then the burnout started to happen. What sort of age were you when, when you started to realize that actually you were struggling? I had a lot of other factors in my life. I've got quite a complex brain. Um, I had a lot of factors in my life that contributed to burnout. It wasn't just the business but that on top of all the other pressures and stresses and concerns I had really exacerbated the pace it went at. And so I felt late twenties, I really started to feel it And then age of 30, I had a few warning signs to say you seriously need to think about what you're doing here. And it ultimately led to the exit off the business. Yeah well just for anyone listening before we get into some of these mental health matters if any of this could be triggering for you just please be aware of that before we dig into some of these subjects but for me when I started to experience burnout I was in denial

15:59 I was like, i've just got to keep going. I've just got to work through this. I've just gotta keep...I've got the kids. I can't stop! What kind of a man stops? Working until one o'clock or two o'clock in the morning, having a can of Red Bull about half 10 to get myself through that. Having to get up at some sort of half five just to start sorting stuff out with the kids wife was ill and having to get home around tea time just to sort stuff out and I didn't realize the weight of it and how much wasn't just stress it was this emotional And I'm going to be talking about the topic of burnout.

17:01 In hindsight, what was the point for you when you realised like I'm not well something's really wrong here? So probably it's really hard to say. It's hard to tie in a time so i suffered very badly with mental health insomnia lots of stuff Which didn't help, I suppose when I could start to notice a big decline was COVID. So COVID whilst we're an air care company was brutal as government flip-flopping all the time and that the people we had care for have additional health needs and it was a nightmare luckily in touch with it all carried on. It carries on into future we had no fatalities, we delivered exceptional

17:47 And All the employees, we had 40 staff so I had all the employees jobs in my hand. I had the people who supported their actual lives in my hands, My son's future, my partner's future, my household everything depended on can I keep going and that was what kept pushing me at a time like shut up an get on with it again like you said what kind of man stops? Especially when you've got all these pressures that I cant stop and I just sat there one night

18:37 In the middle of Covid I had a good cry for about half an hour on my own and wiped my tears, carried on. But that was part of the downfall where it really started to hit me. And then that was 2020 I suppose Covid started, April was the first lockdown and then When did I exit? I exited in 24, so the remaining four years I felt heavy, heavy burnout and my health and mental health but my physical health started to seriously decline. And then I remember sitting on my sofa with my son, a co-parent, so he comes around two nights a week, and he said to my partner why is daddy always asleep or why is daddy always ill, why has daddy got another nosebleed?

19:19 Now, I can't have him growing up seeing...I wanted him to see a man who worked hard and you know we've not got a massive house but we've got a nice house. And I want him to see look what you can achieve if you work hard but on the flip side he shouldn't be seeing someone who's broken and ill. And I hid it from him, he'd never seen me cry about it or open up. He is too young in my opinion to understand The ultimate pressures I had. So when I started seeing him and saying, why is daddy this? Why's daddy feeling like that? It...I had decisions to make. I didn't care enough for my own health. I cared more about the impact I would have on him and loved ones around me. Yeah. And I see that a lot. I want men to be really aware of themselves

20:09 You know, it seems a bit selfish to say become more self-aware so you can make better decisions sooner. But it's the classic one of smoking until someone says to you oh well you've got lung cancer and you might want to give up smoking. Oh okay right I'll do that then! Um but there you are where the pain was bearable until you saw impact in someone else, someone else you deeply cared about And ultimately, you know as hard as I work myself into the ground if i had to but I was physically working myself into the ground and what was it all worth? If I had passed away from not changing anything. It's not worth it in the first place is it so I can't then impact further forward

20:50 That's why I had to make decisions because my health was pretty shocking. My blood pressure at one point it was 210, so 140 is heart error, 160 hospital, 180 risk of stroke and mine was 210 just daily and I'd have like nosebleeds in the office and just quickly wipe them when no one can see or shove a tissue up my nose and get on typing Luckily that was happening in the ages of 25 to 30, not 60 to 65. Otherwise it could have been the end I suppose couldn't it? And I had to make changes before I got there. Wow. I mean just blimey like anybody who's hearing that and recognise... they're extreme symptoms so one of my mantras is happiness success without happiness is not really success. Oh yeah couldn't agree more

21:42 And our health, our wellbeing that has to fall into that. And part of the high value man system for living is to make sure that at the bottom like as the foundation is ourselves, our mental physical and emotional well-being because not that we've got a shoulder everybody and keep hold them all up now We are the foundation, solid foundation upon which everything else gets built because when we're thriving, the people around us thrive and working To the point of illness is actually crazy because what do we really need to survive? How big a house do we need to live in when the family, when their love, our health and the amount of time that we can be around for is actually being compromised by that. 100%. And it got so bad

22:36 I There was a group of us all, the adults with disabilities and staff etc. We were all playing charades so it was my turn and my mum was with us actually on the holiday and I collapsed and everyone thought I was being dramatic because I used to overact because they loved it you know make a fool yourself and make the best time for them. It's over act all the time and I collapsed and then what happened? I had 12 minutes worth

23:24 I Actually, what actually happened was we were in Hastings. I went to the hospital they said this doesn't look good but we can't do much here today you need go back your local hospital South End and said okay that's fine so from passing on the floor out of hospital in about three hours which is absurd to me but my first thought process was well

24:12 And I have to work, that's how bad it got for me. And that's one example of how not to do it! How to learn from me? How not to do these certain things... I've got tons of examples but there is this one of the more extreme ones. I think that's a powerful one, really powerful one so there's this moment where you realize your lad seeing how much you're struggling and then you become very present too what's this, where's going to end up if I don't do something about

25:00 What was the process like for you of selling a business that your mum had started, that you'd grown? Was it a really easy transaction or did you have to go through a lot in terms of giving it up and letting it go. No so what This sounds a bit backwards I suppose. My whole goal was, my mum worked so hard her whole life for jobs the same kind of hours as me but my mum's in her 60s and so as soon as I got to the point where I joined the company and I was helping manage it I tried to take as much pressure off her as I could. I wanted my mom to have the best life possible that that was one of my biggest goals is Mum has to enjoy life now when I become director I can say Mum chill out now we'll take an equal salary

25:44 Do the thing you love, which is delivering care or be at home. Chill out! I had done that for maybe five years and then obviously my health was getting worse throughout the time and what i had done was sat at home one day...I had a bit of an epiphany moment. I had some more big old health scares and had an epiphany moment um the week prior to me taking it I said to my fiancé, I'm going to get it valued and then I'm gonna take the valuation to my mum and say what do you think? I know if at the time I had said some um...I think we should sell it she would have said oh no we can't do that. I needed to take her something tangible to go this is the offer on a table what did we do? Had it valued, it tweaked a bit of interest for us but by

26:33 Mum could chill out and I had this overriding pressure of, well what if I mess the company up? That's my mum's everything. I can't do that so that was immediately when I exited this relief off my heart was mum safe it doesn't all depend on me now if that makes sense. Yeah, that's beautiful yeah And when I said to my partner, because my partner was the highest manager so you had me and mum directors. Mum chilled out she had me running it with my partner and she used to work as hard as I did So we lived it as well It was 24-7 and she absolutely loved the guys as well When I said I'm gonna do this We cried for a day before I'd even said I'm actually going to sell it Because emotionally

27:16 It almost felt like we were selling people and I had to detach from that. We wasn't selling people, we were selling a business and opportunity someone else who could potentially even take it better and further than we did. Decision on the heart, but like I said if i carried on I would have died young. The doctors would scream at me what are you doing? Sort your life out basically and I was ignoring all warning signs. I had other big health scares which I ignored because I had to go to work it helped me make that decision. I felt like something had to force

27:55 And I think for me to navigate, so how to negotiate all these people meet out with them etc. Found a buyer and then the process takes as long it takes i think it took about six months in is quite a long diligent process especially a regulated care company there's there's so many handovers you have to do etc but yeah it was hard it was hard on the heart than the head. The head was telling me run! You have to but my heart was pulling So there you are, out of the thing that was actually causing you quite a lot of physical and mental challenges. A little bit of money in your pocket to buy you some time and then did you have any idea about what you're going to do next? I had an idea mind so initially

28:52 I, because like i said earlier, I never used to take time off ever. I was going to rest that was the goal. I was gonna rest let my body recover mentally recover and then go again the idea was...I don't want to put anyone down but the state of care in general is poor in the country it's diabolical so my goal I'm going to take that process into failing care companies and say the CQC rated you as a failure. Why? What do we need to do, and I wanted to try and change the shape of care company by company now. I was never gonna get around the whole country but that was that was the goal whilst I was figuring out my

29:34 And what I love about this part of the story is it's got nothing to do with anything you knew about before, right? No, and this is shocking because it sounds bad for the company but I didn't really know the role of a building surveyor. So until I sat down with Craig who's my business partner and he divulged into it, I then understood what I would be going into with him with 50-50 partners where equal investment equal everything. And even now we've been going how long was it? 16 months. We're going to 16 months companies doing very well now

30:28 And The last company scaled nicely but the foundations were rotted. Well, you talk about buildings I suppose if your foundations are rotten it's gonna fall under isn't it? So was very conscious of putting foundations in early and me learning from my lessons and never getting into that predicament and position again and ensuring Craig as his first business doesn't fall into the same trap so we can make this long-term successful he's got a child or a child and

31:16 So a real shared heart for what you're up to. He's got his own set of skills, you've got your own set of skills so it was perfect teamwork really and I gotta say it was a risk all alarm bells on my side or family were going what are you doing? You don't know this man! And from his side, it was what are you doing? Don't know this man and he's not a building surveyor. So when you start working together there was a lot of getting to know each other learning to trust each other enough I have to say as much as I like winding him up He could not be harder working. I found probably a carbon copy of me in terms of effort for output

31:58 And goal, ambition and drive. Oh you know it remains to be seen are we gonna be successful? Are we going to be successful long term but... sorry my whatsapp just pinged it might make a noise! ...are we gonna be successful long-term but he's got very much the same drive as me and you know he was in a comfy position at a well paid salary, he was associate director And he's the same age as me, 33. I'm going to give it up and start a business with Nick or don't know you know to me that's admirable because he had big goals to achieve and he was not gonna let anything stop him. He has given his all. Some of the projects you were just chit-chatting about at your networking event... You're not mucking about things are growing big right? There is a lot there is a lot of trust there in my work in The High Value Man Project I put a lot of stock into

32:53 How we're showing up, like the energy that we're putting out. The kind of bloke that we are at our core. Where did you go in terms of yourself? In terms of your appreciation and connection with others what did you look for in terms of that connection with him was it just a vibe was it a gut instinct Did you really have to quiz him on things as a whole I suppose I suppose For me, a major thing for me is routine and vision and focus. And we both train at the same time in the morning. I suppose anyone who gets up at five in the morning, in the gym at six in the morning before their day of business to me has already got some dedication. So he was showing to me signs of dedication in his personal life, he was successful on his own right. And I thought that is fundamentals of what I feel would be good in a business partner

33:47 Now, personally I didn't know him all that well at all and we'd spoken and he was pleasant. It's funny you won't like me saying this but I say a great place to network is in the changing rooms at the gym because everyone gets dressed to go for work so it's natural what do you do? And that's how me and Craig met I suppose in the changing room at a gym. So I apologize Craig! But he was showing fundamentals of a hard-working young man And Trust was a big thing for him. So he shared a lot of information, personal information about himself that you wouldn't share with most people and his mantra was basically if I can't trust you with this information, I can't trust you in the business and vice versa so we both shared a lot about ourselves our history personal stories so there was a foundation of trust that we could build on and don't get me wrong with shareholders agreement all the legal stuff in place to make sure if it ever parted ways its amicable where possible but

34:54 Immediately he was hardworking and he was showing that he wanted to trust. And I thought, okay this is something we can build on and it's just... We train together every morning, we then go work together. I see him more than I see my partner and so does he with his and it's just going well. And trust within our roles as well. So I suppose for both of us I'm not a building surveyor, so I have to fully trust in his ability. He's chartered so the decision has been made he is of an adequate standard but I have to trust in his abilities and he has never run a business before so it's all new to him so he has to trust in mine. We kind of run separate areas, operation finance development everything else and he's delivering off product

35:40 And as we scale and bring employees in, then he'll come more on the development side et cetera. And you'll flip across but we had to trust each other and that's from a lack of understanding of each other's role to start so it forced trust does that make sense? It is beautiful what you've just shared there is such a powerful lesson for guys who maybe they're in a business and things aren't quite working out So his trusts there has trust gone Maybe people are thinking of starting a business and can't get their head around the idea of partnering up with someone. And what you've just shared there is, a blueprint for how you might do that and values I just really hear work ethic trust excellence, so absolutely epic share there thank you Nick really and kudos to your share or to the success you're having

36:33 I dare say it's no surprise, there's no guarantees in the world but they're the kind of things that you have to put in order to have the chance to have some success. Yeah. Well let's flip this finally into the last sort of 10 minutes about family and your engaged. You've mentioned family home a few times, you mentioned your fiance a few times and your son what does...I've got no direction of where I'm headed with this but all these strong sense of values that What are you creating as a dad? Like what do you, what do you want your family rapper to look like. So for me personally I'd like I'm

37:40 And And I want him to be independent. And for my partner, without going fully back but me and her were best friends before like four years before we become a couple

38:32 And she, her and my son are the driving points for what sorted my mental health. Without them two I would not be here and I sincerely mean that they are like guardian angels in my life with my boy he came unplanned shall i say? That sorted me out massively because I had focus I didn't care for myself at the time but it gave Off the back of that, my partner she came into my life as my best friend and this beacon of positivity and someone who cared deeply about me again gave me more reason. And so because of those two having changed by life so much, my whole life is now dedicated to giving them too the best life possible that they deserve. Yeah I think that's something all good men all great dads can relate

39:28 What I see when i'm working with men is, you know right. When men say to me they have a concern of am I being a good dad or like what do I need to do more and for me in reality And if you're listening to this podcast, I want to encourage you to check out the The observation that I'm left with there is that we're either trying to emulate the childhood we had, like we want to pass on the father that we had or we're doing the exact opposite of what he... We have because it wasn't a great experience and now you want to make sure that your kids haven't. You've already shared with us that your relationship with your dad wasn't quite ideal so where are you taking

40:25 Father, figure role model sort of where are you shaping that from? I find it really hard one to balance because we had a lot of hardship growing up but i wouldn't change it. I think that gave me foundations too in latter life when some serious issues hit I can handle them I don't want to sound big-headed but probably better than most people could handle very, very high pressure situations and I feel that comes from having hardship and having to get through stuff. So i'm very conscious of...I want to give my son the best life possible but I don't want him growing up wrapped in cotton wool and then you know he's later life when he needs to be dependent on himself that he struggles so I'm trying

41:16 The best way I'm trying to bring in the independent side of things so he, I don't want him to have to learn independence through hardship. He can learn it through taught skills but at the end of it I still wanted him to have the same fundamentals that I had and that was just ability to do. So if I ever found myself out on my ass I would've got by and that's essentially what I want to give him out a basic. And then if I can then give him some luxuries in life And if I give him a step forward as he goes into adulthood and support with first property or car, all those things then it's just a luxury. But for me independence for him is just And

42:18 And if you want a second donut, probably not having a second donut. But it's because I care so the fundamental is there and he needs to understand that. So it's the balance. The balance is what I'm trying to find. Yeah, I love that. There's no rule book on being a dad, is there? We can all go, I didn't like that as a dad. I won't do that as a dad but there's no rulebook on exactly what is a good dad and right way to do things. You learn as you go and it's just about making sure any decision Sorry to cut you off. And

43:23 The effort, the people we put around us. The second donut or not the second donut? The shits and giggles... I mean you're an Essex boy! You've got to be pranking your boy! Surely you gotta teach him to be a cheeky Essex guy as well right?! Yeah yeah he is a little bit to be fair. To be honest with you he's an angel i couldn't have been luckier He's just a pleasure to be around And now suppose that comes through to teaching him certain stuff but And I'm going to be talking about the podcast.

43:58 Manx and Scousers, you know there's that sort of... There's a little bit of competitive kind of, oh you lot over there in Essex. But basically it's because we're all the same! We're all like geezers and we got our flipping South accent and we're looking for a deal and trying to work hard have a laugh so yeah I take that totally from you. No doubt your kid is an absolute credit Thank you very much. What a wonderful conversation, Nick! Thank you I really hope...I don't hope at all, I know this had an extinct like and let's get Nic on the podcast and let's have a chat right? To anyone that is listening and wants to work with with you because you have shared such a personal side to use that i think some people will be really drawn too and think yeah they're just the kind of people I want to do business with where can people come and find it? Is it Blue Circle?

44:54 Yeah, so Blue Circle Surveyors. So we are based in Essex but we cover London Kent home counties with quite a vast now our offerings and if you go to our website it's www.bluecirclesurveyors.co.uk There is a bit of gumpth about me and Craig but you'll see how services we offer get in contact and if we can help you we will! But on the flip side I don't know how you shout out LinkedIn? If anyone ever wants any advice of anything, I'm also happy to just chat. When we met Jonnie my intention wasn't initially to come to networking because I thought my ideal clients are going to be there it's more about linking with local business owners or just good people in the area and trying to create more of a

45:41 And I know you're Nick Medlock on, exactly as it sounds, Nick Medlock on LinkedIn because we are connected. Brilliant. Thank you for coming on the show, everybody who's been listening please like share subscribe basically pass this on to other men in your world that would benefit from Nick story because I feel like it's just such a powerful grounded journey through

46:29 Taking hold of opportunities through being supportive and interested in the people of our lives, for caring more than the average person about the service you deliver. And then having the balls to meet new people and to put your trust in opportunities not because just do whatever takes your fancy but because you have a deep level of care and a deep level of faith in yourself to go out there and create amazing things so thanks again Nick and I'll see everybody on You're welcome. I'll see everyone on the next episode of The Jonnie Jensen Show, let's go! Thanks for tuning in to The Jonnie Jensen Show be sure to subscribe leave a review and share it with fellow dads creating the life you deserve starts with you get your high value man blueprint and join our community of motivated modern dad at highvaluemanproject.com Let's Go