Kimberly Crenshaw compares modern opposition to CRT to historical "backlash politics," citing President Andrew Johnson's veto of civil rights and the "Willie Horton" ad campaign from the 1980s. The hosts pause to explain the Willie Horton case, involving a convicted murderer who committed further crimes while on a Massachusetts furlough program. They suggest Crenshaw's reliance on 1980s-era political references indicates her role as a long-term operative.