The hosts explore Tyler Perry's history of childhood abuse and suggest he may be a victim of "MK Ultra" style trauma, using Madea as a dissociative coping mechanism. In contrast, they play a clip of Wendy Williams firmly refusing the COVID-19 vaccine, stating she doesn't even trust the flu shot. They highlight the "split in the metaverse" between Oprah's camp (Perry) and those like Wendy and Charlamagne who refuse to comply.