The Birmingham pastor defends his decision to hold services, pointing out that people are not afraid of catching the virus at "pagan areas" like Walmart, Lowe's, or strip clubs. He rejects the reporter's attempt to use "shame" and "guilt" against him. The segment also covers the media's attempt to link the pastor's stance to Donald Trump, using the "45 card" to imply that agreeing with Trump on church openings is a betrayal of the Black community.