98: Mixed Up

00:12 Mo Facts with Adam Curry for April 8th, 2024, episode number 98. This is one of three more episodes to go. That's right, we're back. I'm Adam Curry coming to you from the heart of the Texas Hill Country and time once again to spin the wheel of topics from here to Northern Virginia. Please say hello to my friend on the other end, the one and only Mr. Mo Facts. How you doing, Adam? Oh, Mo, I am good. Once again, we have beaten the enemy and we're on the air. People should know that whenever we start this show, I think every single time there's some kind of weird technical bug that pops up. It's unexplainable. Yeah, well, it is and it isn't, or is it right?

00:57 Everything good, brother? Other than a snake in the chimney and a bear in the bird. Snake in the chimney? Yeah. Oh, man. Now, were you lighting the fire or did it just come down? No. Well, what happened? I heard him in the ceiling. Yeah. And looked for him. Oh, no. Couldn't find him. So then I did all the procedures and saying to get everything any possible entry point. And two days later, he was laying in the basement floor. Dead? Like a three. No, like a three-foot-long black snake. Oh, man. Yeah. And then two nights ago was a bear in the bird feeder right next to the house, just like blynching.

01:41 Hey, that's what it is. That's what it's like. Hey, that's living in the country, man. I love it. I love it. Excellent. Well, it's time once again for Mo Facts with Adam Curry. I'm very excited that we're here to do it for you again. And let's get it rolling. Let's find out what the topic is going to be as we roll that wheel of topics. Round and round it goes. Where it stops, nobody knows except for Mo, of course, because he's prepared another douchey for, I'm sure. The topic of episode 98 is... Jackie is going to come out of Negro. Yep. The Yankees going to come out of the Negro? No, that kid's going to come out a Negro. Okay. This is going to be a show about

02:22 racial classification confusion, but it's due to the recent Drake and Kendrick Lamar B. They got other issues going online. I got to tell you. I saw this thing coming and we had already agreed we're going to record today. And I was just like, oh, Lord, let Mo do something with this because this is, I mean, this is so unhinged off the hook. I mean, I understand. I don't understand. And it's like a distraction, but is it? I'm like, we need Mo's stat is what I was thinking. Well, if you want to learn here about the hip-hop side of it, go back and listen to HIP and Hop, the two shows that we did on hip-hop.

03:09 What I'm seeing here is the racial classification confusion that was brought up with is Drake black? Is he allowed to be black? And people are saying, like, well, are you being color or is Kendrick Lamar being colorist? Right. I'm not going to make it about them because I'm sure people are overdone with the beef leftovers. What this is going to talk about is the aspect of being racially mixed. Why that is an issue. Why that causes confusion. I want to lay it out there first.

03:50 I don't think that's a very good idea to have racially mixed children in the system of white supremacy. If that system didn't exist, it wouldn't matter. But what it does is causes confusion because where the children are obligated to be, see, that's where the real problem, there's this obligation of are you allowed to be this or are you not all we already know if you're a person of color a colored person as I like to say or a non-white person is as Millie Fuller identifies them as you're never going to be allowed to be white so that's off the table and then when you try to go be black in this case

04:38 you're screwed you're you're never going to be black enough and it's not exclusive just to race because I've experienced this with just my family on my mom and dad's side right I mean when you're with your mom's family you're too much like your dad's family right when you're with your dad's family you're too like you're much so this is so I just want to to dig into this subject because it's confusing, literally. Isn't the real problem that Drake's a Canadian? I mean, isn't that his biggest offense, really? That's a well, that's another

05:15 part of it. It's that one, he's not ADAS as he is by lineage from his father, right? But he didn't grow up with that culture, and then he comes in and like he identifies with the what I believe is some of the worst parts of the culture. And I could, I get it because he's trying to fit in, so you kind of got to overdo it to fit in to overcompensate. And we've talked about this for four years: of understanding ADAS people circling their wagons because they feel like all the outsiders are being lumped into our culture, which we don't have a culture.

06:00 I know it's going to all this episode is going to piss everybody off. This is why I waited to do this one, near the end of the run. All right, right. This is going to be the least pissed off you're going to be of the last three episodes. So, I'm going to just get ready. Not you. Ramping up. Now, I hear you're ramping up, ramping up. All right. Because it's triggering. It literally is triggering to say you're not black enough. You know, you'll never be white, but that's the system. That's, I don't make the rules. Honestly, I think it's stupid. I think race, the whole conversation we know is a construct is created. And we're just going to figure out why it's silly. But

06:43 it's a real thing. So I just want to lay that out, what the show is going to be about. And we'll weave in and out of that conversation to point out that's why that's the issue, but we're not going to make it. That's not going to be the center of what we talk about today. Okay. I'm waiting. If that makes sense. Yeah, I'm hanging in. So we have to start at the beginning where interracial marriages became legalized, and that's in Virginia. On July 11th, 1958, at 2 a.m., a county sheriff entered the home of Virginia couple, Richard and Mildred Loving, forced them out of their bed, and placed them under arrest.

07:24 Their crime, interracial marriage. This is the story of Loving versus Virginia and the landmark civil rights decision that would set an important precedent for marriage rights in America. Richard, who was white, and Mildred, who was black and Native American, spent the early morning hours of July 11th in jail. They were tried and found guilty of violating Virginia's Racial Integrity Act of 1924, a series of laws that made race mixing illegal. The Lovings were then given an ultimatum: spend one year in prison or leave the state of Virginia for 25 years.

08:04 Frightened and unaware of their legal options, they moved to Washington, D.C., where their marriage was legal. Wow, the Racial Integrity Act, which is why I said you can't be white, classified as white if you have any black blood. And this is coded in the law. Is this still a thing? Has that ever been overturned? Well, this case eventually overturns that. But in the minds of people, it's never been eliminated because the system hasn't been eliminated. Right. We look at each other and say, I think he's black, or I think he's white, or he's not all the way black, or, you know,

08:50 is he passing? This kind of thing. So even the words racial integrity. The integrity word is kind of a problem there, isn't it? Right. Because it's like it's a it's a it's a litmus test or a purity test. But just going back on what I'm what we've learned in the past 97 episodes, wasn't it also Virginia that had the uh um uh uh didn't they have the sterilization act yeah I mean a lot of states had that yeah okay but I just think I just remembered specifically from Virginia yeah and and we're gonna see Virginia

09:32 is unique in this subject and let's just in living here it's is probably one of the most racially the highest ratio of interracial marriage and is and and procreation probably in the United States because it was a culture shock to me coming from North Carolina Carolina, how prevalent it is here. That's just worth just putting a little check mark. So the state that has all that has these laws had these laws, that it actually created the opposite of the intended effect.

10:14 Yeah. And we're going to get, as we progress, it makes sense why it may be that way. But let's go ahead and get into the second part of this clip. They raised their three children in the nation's capital, financially strapped and isolated from friends and family. Five years later, they returned to Virginia to visit Mildred's relatives, but were arrested for a second time for traveling together. Inspired by the burgeoning civil rights movement, Mildred decided to fight back. So in 1963, she wrote a letter to U.S. Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy asking for his advice. Kennedy referred the Lovings to the American Civil Liberties Union, who assigned their case to two young lawyers named Bernard Cohen and Philip Hirschcop.

11:01 Cohen and Hirschcop took their appeal all the way to the Supreme Court, arguing that Virginia's anti-miscegenation laws violated the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment, which guaranteed African Americans citizenship and all its privileges. The broad and sweeping language of the amendment, they argued, made no mention of interracial marriage and thus guaranteed equal protection of a human being's right to marry. All right. So they go up to DC, which I find it strange. Just a few, maybe, I don't know, like maybe a couple hours up the road to D.C.

11:41 from Virginia, where they were at. It's legal there for them to be there. Then they come back to Virginia for a visit five years later and the cops know where they're at at 2 a.m. to kick in the door to arrest them. This gives me vibes of down in Arkansas in the schools when they integrated the schools and also Brown the Board of Education, how this case was picked. Oh, sure. Yeah, it was a setup, obviously. Right. Because it's like, you don't just write and get, you know what I'm saying, Robert F. Kennedy to take on your case and hand you off to ACLU.

12:23 Yeah, to Bernard Cohen and Philip Hischcock here. Yeah. Here's Scott. They were ready. There were people ready for this to happen. Right. Which the bigger issue was state rights. Yes. It was the back door into the federal government telling states how they can run themselves under the cover of civil rights, which this is when we open, we open the door, everybody else comes running through. Yeah. Sorry. I was going to open the door. That's the door. I was going to open it. I don't know if it's opening or closing. All right. I got a door. Something happened to the door. So that's the door opening.

13:08 Let's go ahead and get into the final part of this three-part clip. Attorneys from the state of Virginia argued that the state's rights should be prioritized over federal laws. But the argument didn't hold up. On June 12th, 1967, the court unanimously struck down the Virginia marriage ban and overturned the Lovings' conviction. The court ruling reverberated across America, invalidating anti-miscegenation laws not only in Virginia, but in 16 other states that held them as well. After winning their case, the Lovings were finally free to do what they wanted to do all along. They lived quietly in Virginia as husband and wife until Richard's death in 1975.

13:54 Loving versus Virginia would inspire gay marriage advocates during their own Supreme Court victories decades later. For example, 2003's Lawrence versus Texas decision ruled that a Texas statute criminalizing sexual activity between members of the same sex was unconstitutional. The Supreme Court would directly cite Loving in two subsequent landmark cases that paved the way for same-sex marriage. Ah, okay. So what I'm hearing you say, I may be wrong, what I'm hearing you say is this was a setup to move to the next phase. It's always a setup for something bigger. Okay. And it's no payoff in it other than access to sexual access to the opposite race.

14:38 There was no, you know, we don't like separate but equal, for instance. When we asked for separate but equal, we got integration. integration of schools. Yeah. So this is a nothing burger in the standpoint of actually dismailing the system or bringing about actual justice. Understood. Yeah. So I'm just letting it, but this is the beginning of legal interracial marriage, you know, on a wide scale. So I just want to lay that out. Now, and this is a rehashing of history.

15:23 I found a report from 1970, 67, excuse me, actually speaking to the Lovings. So if you want to get into clip number five, sure. I say, I think, and marry who you want to is all right, that no man should have anything for you. But God isn't right, I think. Mildred Loving married the boy next door, Richard Loving. Richard Loving is a construction worker, Mildred Loving, the daughter of a sharecropper. They were born and raised in Caroline County, Virginia, where white and colored people seem unaware of the racial prejudice that exists in much of the country. The Lovings didn't know that it was a crime for a white person to marry a Negro in Virginia. They found out the hard way. But I didn't realize how bad it was until we got married.

16:08 Full of love themselves, they didn't expect to find hate in others. Their home swarms with children. Their own three, as well as neighborhood friends, who enjoy the warmth here. Okay. So this is why I was speaking about Virginia here in Virginia. Right. It's so widespread, even in 67, that they didn't even know it was a law. You see what I'm saying? Yeah, I hear you. I hear you. And they were neighbors. So even that part of it. So this case is just, it's very strange to me

16:49 how they pushed it, but it's not really. It's a stepping stone case. And notice the makeup of the genders. White man with quote-unquote black female. It wouldn't have been the other way around. Now, but she wasn't even, she was also part Native Indian, Native American. She identified as Native American. Now, I'm not going to go all damn callaway on you of us possibly being conscious laws. Okay. Well, some people believe that some black people are native to North America. I believe that this is my personal belief. I believe we're made up of three groups of people.

17:31 People from Africa, people that was naturally here that were heavily melanated, and people out of Europe that were heavily melanated. That's my personal belief. And we all were just mishmashed up into one group. That's my personal belief. And so, yeah, because like growing up, we're told, you know, you have Indian blood and this kind of thing. My grandma was always pushing that. And honestly. Yeah, you've never told me that. That's interesting. Yeah, I never heard that. Yeah, you, you, yeah, that was not known. And my grandmother was a fair-skinned lady like Miss Loving was. If you look at her picture, they're about the same complexion. So that's the key right here.

18:11 Another undertone is that's why I said about the Drake situation. It's not colorism, it's cultural culturism. Right. More than color, because you have people all hues. But if you identify as black and you grew up with a black family, then there's no question about your blackness. Right. But if you're biracial, then that's where the question starts to come in. And we'll see, like I said, we'll get to the why, but I'm just laying out on a grand scale, it wasn't an issue in pockets like in 1976 in Virginia.

18:53 Still to this day, I was from North Carolina. I mean, I am from North Carolina. When I came here, it was a culture shock seeing so many interracial dating people interracial dating and interracial procreating because it wasn't as prevalent in North Carolina. And that's just right one state over. So, yeah. I find it to be fascinating because it's like it comes also from culture. I'm going to be honest with you. My mom told me, don't bring a white girl home. That was baked in. Because,

19:33 and I know the people are saying, that sounds racist. What that is, is that was protective because we were taught at any time she could say it wasn't consensual. and that's your black A. That's how it was said. I'm just giving it to you. Really? I'm just getting yes. Really? Wow. Yes. And that's how it was told. That's how it was said. And that's how it is. Now, fast forward, it's more of self-love why people don't want to do it like me. I love myself. You know, I love myself so much.

20:12 I wanted to find somebody to look like me, you know, to make babies that look like me. But here's the kicker. My wife is quote unquote light-skinned. But her parents are one is my color and one is darker than me. Make that make sense. And I have babies. You know what I'm saying? Two of my babies are light-skinned. That's God's plan, brother. That's God's plan. So that this, I'm just showing you how this color issue is so confusing. Okay, so I understand what you're saying: is that the color issue is just the wrong issue. Yes, it's the wrong issue because people are like, oh, Kendrick Lamar being colorist.

20:56 No, no, that's not what he's saying. It's that Drake didn't grow up here in this culture. That's why he doesn't understand the nuance of the conversation. But I would say on Kendrick Lamar part, you have to communicate that clearly because what it can be done is, is that, oh, you're a colorist. This is like, yeah, I think, I think we just nailed it culturist instead of a colorist, a culturist, or culturism versus colorism. And that's the key. Because that's the whole thing about when we say Adobe versus non-ADOS or FBA versus non-FBA. It goes back to culture. You come here from Africa. You don't understand our culture.

21:39 You don't understand our relationship with this system here. And I'm going to go for, like I said, this is going to be, I'm going to make it too long, but this if somebody will look at me in Africa and call me watered down because I have white blood in me somewhere down the line. I've been called watered down. Yeah. Yeah. This is how thick it gets. Right, right. But that, but that's only based on the color, not on anything else. Right. Well, they assume it's all based off the assumption. If you're in America, you have white blood in you.

22:24 That's the assumption for non-American black people. Yeah. Because if you grew up in Africa or the Caribbeans, more likely you had all black lineage. I mean, whereas if you moved to Nigeria tomorrow, you'd probably feel like a fish out of water because you're not part of that culture, even though you have the same quote-unquote color. Right. But hold on. But no, they would probably look at me as watered down because you're American. Yeah. And you have white blood in you. And this is what I said. If you take white people out of it for a second, just the intra, if you want to say black, for lack of a better word, is so nuanced.

23:08 And when you try to fit. What are you talking about? Mo. What are you talking about? It's the black and brown community. That's the thing about the black. We want to go brown. Look at Brazil. Look how complicated Brazil is. This is what I love about our so-called leaders. They're talking about the black and brown community. And I'm going, huh? Yeah. So, like I said, I don't want to be, you know what I'm saying, a dead horse, but I just want to lay it out because people are like, what do you mean? Like, why would you say that or that? And to be honest with you, this whole conversation, I'm just going to, you're saying, because I feel like I had to lay this, put this up front. This is for the children because they're going to be even more confused when they interact with the system.

23:52 That's the real problem. Like I said, if the system didn't exist, none of this would matter at all. Because then, like I said, not to use an overused term, but like Mark Luther King said, the content of your character, that's what should be. Are you a piece of crap person or not? That should be, that should be the only question we judge people off of. But no, because the system is like, hmm, you're light-skinned. You must be think you're white or you're dark skinned. You know, you're whatever. You know what I'm saying? It goes like you're dumb or whatever. I mean, or subhuman. Yeah. All of these assumptions come go with color, but even with color, it ain't the same.

24:35 Because like I said, you could have a black person like my wife that's fair, like light-skinned, light-skinned. light-skinned, she's what they would call uh a red bone. You know, she's not high yellow, which those are different terms, you know what I'm saying. If you know, you know, so but there was red bone, red bone, yeah, I never heard that that's more like a reddish tone to your skin, more than a fair skin. Like, uh, compare a Barack Obama to uh who can I say I want to say maybe Kamala Harris. I mean, maybe not. I mean, it's it's difficult, like I said, is this, yeah,

25:19 there's a Wikipedia entry for it, so that I'm good, I'm good, and really, the women, oh, they go by Mac makeup identifiers. If you're this number tone, oh, really, I went, I went down that rabbit hole and I turned around. I was like, no, yeah, this I was confused once I went because they're like, if you this, that, and hair texture, yeah, that's how they, yeah, they have different grades of hair textures, C, D, B, whatever, 4C. I don't know. I got confused, and then they go by the MAC shade on the on the Mac cosmetic color scale. Wow, yes, okay,

26:03 right. So, I'm just gonna, I just want to put all that out there to show you when you start having these high-level conversations and in who's black, who's not, I just need to ask, okay. So, this Drake Kendrick Lamar thing, I hope you're gonna explain to me why this is playing out. What is a Pulitzer Prize winner doing, you know, in this beef with Drake? What is the is this something that had to come to a head? Is this something that is planned to come to a head? Is this something well? Let's have that quick conversation and then we'll get back because maybe that what it looks like is Drake has been giving white privilege to the other artist.

26:46 He came in, he was. I'm just telling you, you know, saying how it was perceived, what the perception is. He came in, he's a super light-skinned guy, biracial. Now, here's the way it gets sticky at because he's Jewish. Ah, there it is. Okay, there you go. Yeah, that's that's the part I was forgetting. Yes, right. So, he they look at like he got privileges from being Jewish from a Jewish ran industry. Well, he probably did. I mean, this that's that's as you and I, I think, agree. Cultures and people stick together, right? And but here's the thing:

27:26 I think it's the perfect time and a bad way for that conversation to start happening. But they can't say Jewish because the anti-Semitic thing there, it is there. It is okay, you know what? Stop, stop, stop. Yeah, it just because I've been going through this myself in my world where all of a sudden it became okay to say bad Jew and it started with Kanye and Kanye got ripped apart for it. I don't even know where Kanye is right now, but all of a sudden, this undertone that's been bubbling along for 20, 30 years.

28:04 I've seen it, I've seen it online. You know, the rise of alternative social media networks became more and more prevalent. Then, all of a sudden, with Israel, Hamas, it became okay to come out and say it, and there's no pushback. Which, who controls that? The system, the system of white supremacy said Jews are no longer white. That's basically what's happening here. Boom, there it is. This is that's what's happening, and then Kendra Lamar is tapping into that energy without saying it, though. They can't say it because, yeah, because they overtly, yeah, because then the beef battle would be over very quick, right?

28:48 It would have to end, yeah, okay, right. So, he's like, You're not black now, you figure out what you are, but you can't be black, man. You just, you just made this whole thing clear to me in one second. Like, oh, of course, how could I have missed that? I knew that about Drake, and now I get it. Yes, yeah, the Jew, but but all the Jews I know don't consider themselves white. This is the interesting thing. I say, Are you white? No, I'm Jewish. Well, here's the other thing: like I said, this is where it gets sticky at because Vlad, DJ Vlad, got into it with some lady from Princeton about she said, Are you white?

29:27 And he got in his feelings because he asked it, Was he white? And like I said, this is white privilege. Jews have been beneficial, benefactors of beneficiaries, I think this right word, of white supremacy. Right. And when you say white privilege, I'm going to, in my mind, you're saying white supremacist privilege and not what people have called me, like you have white privilege is a different white supremacist don't have privilege. They have, you know, saying divine right. Yeah. That's the difference. Why? And I said this on a previous show: white privilege is given to non-white people.

30:09 They gave it to the Italians. They gave it to the, you know, whatever. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, Hispanics is starting to get it. Yeah, you can have some white privilege. Biracial people, yeah, you can get some white privilege to the Jews. Yeah, you can get some white privilege. But white supremacists don't need privilege. I'm white. That's how they think. You know what I'm saying? I'm supreme. What privilege can you give supreme in their mind? None. You see, see, they dole out privilege. And what they've done is retracted the privilege from the Jews. Yeah. And that's why the Jews have to ask for it now in terms of funding, protection, and all the other things.

30:54 It's so amazing to me, Mo, that there is a huge belief that the Jews, particularly Zionists in Israel, run America. Yes. And I just don't believe that. I don't either. It's just like, no, you're seeing it the, you're seeing it the wrong way. This is not true. And this just, it's, you can't tell, you cannot convince these people otherwise. The way I say it is, who's asking and who's giving. That's right. That's the only way you look at it. That's right. Both Palestine and Israel. Yeah, we're asking. We're giving to both sides.

31:33 I read the bill the other day. We're giving money to Palestine and money to Israel. Right. So who's asking and who's giving? And who can say, no, you need to stop? And who has to stop? That's who's supreme and that's who ain't supreme. And when you look at it like that, it clears itself up. And going back to this subject, okay, we're going to let the black people, we're going to give them some white privilege and marriage, let them marry white people. That's what happened with this case. You know, it's bad for business, you know, set all this segregation. Because what happened was television came about. Yeah. Now you got black kids having to go to the back of restaurants, getting beat, this kind of thing.

32:16 Oh, no, we can't do that because that's broadcast across the world. No, no, no. We got to change business. Change the business model. So how do we do that? We let some black people, black men specifically, get, you know, because like they've always had black women, white men, whenever they wanted them. That's that's a privilege, you know what I'm saying, that they've given black women to come on. Yeah, you can sleep with me. If I say so, right. But black men, it's like, okay, yeah, we got to put some good stuff up in the front. It's like storefront. Yeah. And I'm being very honest. Honest, not even honest, but blunt. Blunt. Yeah, that's it.

32:55 I'm being very, because that's what it is. Well, but this is what I love, Mo, because I'm here. I'm, there's a little more fire in you that I haven't necessarily heard before. And I've actually been, for whatever reason, X has been giving me more of your tweets recently. So I know you've been on a track here. I know you've been building up to this. And I love it because this is the honesty that you don't get. You do not get this anywhere. In fact, the whole Kendrick Lamar Drake beef is not honest. If you think about it, it's dishonest. And you know why you have to be more honest, in my opinion? The thicker the confusion gets, the more straight to the point you got to get.

33:34 You can't dance around with the confusion because you're just going to confuse people more. You had to get who's giving, who's asking. You know, that's it. And let people think about it. Like, huh? Well, if they were running, they wouldn't have had to ask for Iron Dome or whatever else. Or just like this going back, I said, going back to the interview, we allow you. We, you know, we have a rule on the books that says you're black, but we're going to allow you to marry white people. Why don't you just take the rule off? Why don't you just take move that rule off the book and it won't be a problem? No, we're going to write another rule that we can also rescind.

34:15 Just like with the voting bill, you know what I'm saying? They got to go every few years and, you know, oh, yeah, whatever. We're going to still let you vote, black people. And then it's like, oh, we got to fight for it. You know, if we don't fight, what? What are we doing here? You see how confusing? that is? Yeah, but only if you can figure out how to get an ID, you know, because, you know, that's very difficult. Sorry for the long tangent there. It's good. It's good. Well, we had to get some confusion out the way. All right. Now, going back, let's go back to 1976 and the part two of the Loving Report. Mrs. Loving recalls how the ordeal began one night in 1958. The night we were arrested.

34:58 I guess it was about 2 a.m. And I saw this light, you know, and I woke up and there was the policeman standing beside the bed. And he told us to get up. Then he was under arrest. Then, anyway, they caught us the Bowling Green and locked us up in January. They had the trial. And they told us to leave the state for 25 years. But the way I understood it, the lawyer said that we could come back to visit, you know, when we wanted to.

35:37 So that Easter we came back and they got us again. We had been down a few times before that, but at Easter we came down, they finally was there. The arrest was a gift. Okay. I just find that weird. Like, how did they know you were back and they said you could come? It seems like they had some kind of understanding they could come visit, but they didn't let them visit. Seems very staged. And people can get upset with me. That's fine. It seems very staged, just like the whole Rosa Park situation with the whole Arkansas situation, with the whole Brown versus Board situation.

36:20 This is political theater to push something forward. And what it is, also, if it wasn't an issue, then this is what confuses me a little bit. If they didn't see an issue with them dating with each other, now all of a sudden they're getting arrested for it. They said that they didn't even see racism in that form existing that you couldn't date who you wanted to date in that pocket of Virginia. While all of a sudden they're getting like two in the morning, you're getting your door kicked in. Well, that must have been for some political points somewhere. Yeah. So, I mean, that's just, I found that strange. Let's go ahead and wrap this up. The last third part. The Lovings spent five years in a Negro ghetto in Washington, D.C., where they suffered the indignities of unemployment, loneliness, and uncertainty.

37:05 When one of the children, unused to city streets, was hit by a car, Mrs. Loving decided to act. She wrote a letter to the then Attorney General of the United States, Robert Kennedy, who in turn passed the letter on to a Virginia lawyer, Bernard Cohen, a member of the Civil Liberties Union. We have three children and cannot afford an attorney. We wrote to the Attorney General. He suggested that we get in touch with you for advice. Please help us if he can. Hope to hear from you real soon. Yours truly, Mr. and Mrs. Richard Loving. And it was that simple letter that got us into this not-so-simple case. Bernard Cohen could and did help the Lovings. He teamed up with another attorney, Phil Hirschcock, and at no fee, they reopened the Loving case in the Virginia courts.

37:49 Okay, so that was, it was clearly for those political points with Bobby. I don't want to do Bobby Kennedy. Yeah, and I want to make one point we can move forward. He went to D.C. and lived a black experience. Five years. Yeah. Yeah. I can't take this anymore. The kids were confused. They didn't understand what was going on. And of course, I'm sure it wasn't a cakewalk for him in black D.C. No kidding. Yeah. But he didn't want to live her experience. He wanted her to live his experience. That's what had to change. You know, it's not, okay, well,

38:29 we're in love and I just got to take, you know, I'm just going to have lived a black experience. Well, no, but she also didn't live that because she was his neighbor. Right. But I'm just saying, like, they had to go somewhere where only black people could be. Right. Is my point. Right. I got you. So they were like, let's please, anybody change the laws. We need some privilege over here for my wife. So we could come home. Okay. And that's just, that's just when you think about racism, that's how silly it is. But it's serious as cancer. You know what I'm saying? Like, don't get it twisted. But to say, you know, you're this shade or that shade or whatever else.

39:12 And to prove that point, now we got to go back to episode 39. I just want to play this clip. It's, you know what I'm saying? A tad bit long, but I want to illustrate how you're perceived to be white. And this is 1950. 1949 when this movie was made. Oh, yeah. I remember this. Look at how they receive her, and then it's nothing changed. Look, as soon as they find out what she identifies as, how different they treat her. Pinky. Evening, man. Can we give you a lift? No, thank you. Excuse me, ma'am. You must be a stranger around here. We can't let no white girl walk by herself through this here nigger section. I live in this section. You what? I said I live here. Now just let me alone. She lives here. Well, what do you know? Who'd ever figure that?

40:04 Man, that's the whitest dinge I ever saw. Boy, look at that little smart rabbit goat. What do you say? Let's go get her. Boy, let's go now. Ain't gonna hurt you, baby. Now, don't be afraid, baby, we ain't gonna hurt you. You're serious. You have a little lunch, baby, not taking easy. Come in, honey. Please. Don't. What a builder.

40:50 Let's see your face, baby. Hold up your face. Oh, you're pretty. You're pretty. You're real pretty. What's the matter, baby? Hey, you want a drink? Hey, Al, give me that bottle. I'll bet you, yeah. Come on, out here, y'all. Let it go. You know, as I listen to that, and I was thinking about this the other night, actually, last night, we watched some of the Eurovision song contests semifinals. And, you know, and that's where it's all the best songs.

41:30 Forget about the performances because there's all kinds of stuff wrong with that. Forget about the production. Just purely, it's about the songs. And we're sitting there like, this all sucks. It's all so bad. And I think, you know, we're good at this. And America is good at creating entertainment products. And without us, this type of historical document, you know, this is this is a historical thing. But I think without America, of course, we get blamed for being the worst at racism and slavery, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. But we really did, we really have continuously documented, even right down to this Drake and Kendrick Lamar thing.

42:14 We are the ones also putting it out there for the world to see, which is kind of extraordinary when you think about it. It's the perfect storm of talents merging. And what I mean by that is the Jewish man, he's excellent at putting on a show. You got to give him, it's a documentary called Who Created Hollywood, I believe. And Hollywood, the glitz, the glamour, the limelight, that's all them. That's their talent. The black people brought the actual soul. You know what I'm saying? Like, they said, let's use black music, but let's

43:00 sparkle it up. Well, to this day, Moe, this is what hip-hop radio has become. Right. And then what the white people bring to the table are the managers, you know, as far as not managers in that sense, but the finance to put the money behind it. And then, even when Asians look at hip-hop, they brought in the technology of, you know, creating certain, you know, saying pieces of equipment and things of that nature. So that's why hip-hop is a fascinating thing. Like when everybody works at what they're good at, it becomes something special. The problem is, is when the pots start getting divided up, that's where the issue becomes. Well, you mean the money? Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

43:43 So that's what I'm saying. Like, you're exactly right. If everybody leans to their strengths and works together, and I was not going to lay this out on this show, but I'm just going to say it because you always do this. You're going to say, you always make me go somewhere else with it. The only issue with white supremacy and why it's not affected by the seven habits is highly affected people is win-win. You know, you were saying this. I'm thinking, wow, this is why value for value works. This is why when we created the value for value system in population, podcasting, where everybody gets a piece of the pie and it's trans, you know, the splits, it's transparent.

44:27 Everybody can see it. Everybody can see, oh, this is my piece. I'm getting that. You can see exactly what came in. And we have a group of developers, which is, believe me, politically very, very diverse. I mean, as diverse as Israel-Palestine, as diverse as Gay Straight, as diverse as we don't have a lot of women there, but it all has been working for three years. Open source projects typically blow up within 18 months, and someone rage quits and takes the whole code with them or whatever. But it's because of the fair division that, or at least a division that everybody can see, win-win for everybody.

45:08 That's what makes that's the seven habits of highly effective people. And that's where white supremacy fails. You know, the other six habits, excellent. And you know what? If you do the seven habit of win-win, it's no longer white supremacy. It's justice. That's the only thing that's holding it back. When you go to somewhere and they have a natural resource like oil or lithium, you say, hey, you got some nice lithium there, black people, you know what I'm saying? Over in the Congo. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, let's do a win-win deal here. And I could bring your quality of life up to my quality of life. And you give me some of that lithium. You know, everybody wins.

45:47 No, what it is. It's predatory. I'm going to have you down there as least as possible. We might dig you a well or two, you know, and you're going to pick the lithium out with your bare hands so I can have a personal game. Your kids are going to do it. Now, you, your kids, it's even better than that. That's crazy. That's the only thing. I had that thought. Like, I mean, I was saving that, but I want to bring, because you brought it up. And that's the thing. If everybody would just be win-win and not, me and you, and at this show, it's a win-win. That's right. Like you said, you, you and Podcasting 2.0, like you described, it's a win-win. Everybody wins. Win-lose, nobody wins in a win-lose.

46:30 Because guess what? The person that won is going to make a victim out of the loser and you're going to become an oppressor. And then you know, and if you're going to take that route, don't play the pious role. Don't, you know, don't be like, oh, well, this is just the way it is. No, live in it. Lean into it. I'm oppressing. That's what I'm doing. At least be honest. You know, because that we start getting this other problems when you start to lie about what you're doing. And like I said, that's what, like, with the whole thing that's going over there in the Middle East. That's the problem. Nobody's doing win-win. It's enough natural resources to go around. It's enough energy in the world to go around. It's enough food in the world to go around

47:13 where everybody can have a decent quality of life and nobody has to be oppressed. Nobody has to be mistreated. But that is the system. That's what corporations have become. All of it. It's not win-win. And this is why the system of white supremacy is the system of white supremacy because the white supremacists think if we do win-win, then they'll breed us out. That's the core of racism right there. If we don't oppress, then you see that. I hate to make this about that in the Middle East because it's not, but it's the same thing. If we don't keep our foot on their neck and keep them in this little small part of land, they'll overrun us.

47:58 So yeah, that's why they look like white supremacists over there in Israel. That's why the college kids are acting crazy because they can see it. It's like, this is not a win-win. You know, and really what it is, a lot of kids with guilt. It's like, look at all the stuff I have. These are well-to-do kids. It's total guilt. And this is why I said you can't win even if you win and win-lose because guess what? Your kids are going to be ashamed of you. Yeah. What we haven't given them is the tools to see the path to change. That's what we haven't given them. Well, it's simple. And that's why I've been doing about it on the 98th show of this show. It's simple.

48:41 Nobody's mistreated. And the person that needs the most help gets the most constructive help. That's it. That's it. But no, we got to go to the one drop room about to get into. And if you have a drop of this, we get to mistreat you. Explain what the one-drop rule is. The one-drop rule, historically, also known as the rule of hypo-descent, was really instituted to protect whiteness. It was a way for the white majority to be able to name and cite who was white. So it was one drop, which was one 30 second. One 30 second of. of Negro or African blood would make that person Negro or African, whatever the classification they used at the time.

49:21 I hear people say we're in a post-racial society. The reality is, in order to get beyond something, you have to understand it, right? And where in your education, where have you been required to learn about race? They don't teach it. No, it is the foundation of this country. We have to talk about race. We have to talk about racial difference. It is just a flat-out lie for us to believe that we've moved beyond race. You know, a lot of people, when Don Lemon was kicked off of CNN, thought it was for a whole bunch of things. I think it was for this conversation that he had. He was getting too close to the third rail. That, and then when he did the ADOS thing, like when he kind of took up for them, yeah, that's a big mistake.

50:00 And here's, this is why I said American black people, ADAS, can identify with white people globally because we're the minority in this country like white people are on the globe. So we can identify. It's like, I'm saying this now. You keep this up. It's not going to be any of us left. You see what I'm talking about and identify. So it's like, hey, we don't want to get rid of nobody. How do we make sure that happens? How do we come to the table and have an honest conversation and say, you know what? I think it was like 13% of the world is white. How do we make sure that number doesn't shrink past 13%?

50:42 And then the trade-off, whatever percentage of resources that 13% controls, how about we spread that around evenly? Where everybody, because this is all it really is, is distrust. And this is why you have to have arms race and build nuclear weapons and all this stupid stuff. Because it's like, if I don't get to it first, they'll get to it and they'll take me off the face of the planet. And then we all live in a damn world of panic and anxiety. Yeah, pretty much where we are right now. Right. And then if you go down to the lovings on the one-to-one in their little pocket of Virginia, it didn't exist.

51:22 Because it's like you can date who you want to date, you know, that kind of thing. So it obviously works if we let the people start riling us up. Amen. So I'm just, it's just, it just blows my mind that it's that simple, but I understand fear because I honestly, I may have said this on the show, but I'm going to say it again. Why I take interest in this is, and this is, and this is a little foreshadowing. I have three daughters. Who are they going to marry? Yeah. That's a real question for me. I hear you. I hear you. What will these men be like? Right. Because I love myself. I love how I look.

52:06 And it's nothing wrong with everybody loving how they look and want to make more people how they look. There's no problem with that. That's not racist. That's not, that's loving yourself. What the problem, like I said, who are my daughters going to marry supply. Right. Because if I live a better life, their options get smaller. And the better life I live, their options get even smaller. Where to honestly, ADAS people may have to go to arranged marriages to be, I mean, just to survive as this culture. Or, I mean, we're a counterculture because we don't have a culture. We're a counterculture to the system of white supremacy.

52:50 And that's the goal globally. That's global. Everybody that's not white supremacist is counterculture, even the orange people. Now, that's why they're realizing this. Well, there you go. Orange and black are starting to come together. Well, that's why they're ramping up the race machine. Yeah. You know, that's why racism is an all-time high because they can't let the orange man and the brown man, the black man realize, hey, we're not in the same vote. We're in the same vote here. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, that's, that's all.

53:26 And, but it goes back. Going back to Virginia now, because that was the original loving versus Virginia was the original legalization in our racial marriage. We have to go back to Thomas Jefferson and, you know, with Sally Hemmings. And this is Thomas Jefferson's grandson. We just can listen to it right quick, just for context. This is his grandson who escaped to Cincinnati. Back here at home, it is a 4th of July with a unique meeting for 78-year-old James Clark. Today is more than a holiday to him. It's a day where he thinks of his ancestors. And that's because he's a descendant of Thomas Jefferson. 900 Science Paolo Soro explains his connection to our founding father.

54:09 father. If we go over here, history on the walls and history in his blood. This is my grandmother. Meet James Ira Clark's grandmother, Martha or Bessie Clark. This is my grandmother again. She's active in the First Baptist Church of Cumminsville, at which my mother wound up being very active. According to James, all of them are descendants of Thomas Jefferson, a founding father and third president of the United States. Most people mention it too, they think I'm crazy or lying.

54:46 See, Bessie, James's grandmother, was Peter Fawcett's granddaughter. And James says that Fawcett was not only one of Jefferson's slaves, but also his grandson. Yeah, and this is why Monticello had, of course, to be deemed one big racist, racist place. Right, and that's in Virginia. Yeah, and they couldn't see it as actually something really fantastic. And that's why I believe loving wasn't a weird thing because interracial sex is very common in Virginia for a long time. It predates

55:26 existed during slavery. So, I mean, that actual practice was not Thorne. It was like when you want to legitimize a person as your wife and make a contractual bond with them. Whoa, that's where the problem. No, don't you? No, that's you. You try to humanize her. What are you doing? You know what I'm saying? That's not how we do business. But let's go ahead and get to the second part of Thomas Jefferson's grandson. Fawcett moved to Ohio after Jefferson's death, becoming a reverend in Cincinnati and a conductor for the Underground Railroad. Original slave papers. It relates back from Thomas Jefferson down to, well, I guess you would say down to my son.

56:12 Now that I'm older, I'm proud of my heritage. He's got a table full of century-old documents. It makes me feel good. That's the only thing I can hold on and keep me sane. Including the papers that released his ancestors from slavery. With the original seal, I might add, to let you know they're not fraudulent. Reminding him that we've come a long way, even though he says growing up in the 50s with racism was not easy. Your Christmas bag was in the mailbox, and I got it out, opened it up, and you know what it was? Two pieces of cold. James was a welder who retired in January after 25 years.

56:53 And although he can't read or write like many of his ancestors, he's got the history written on these papers and in his blood. That gave me satisfaction of looking back where I was, where I've been, and now. Paul Lucero, nine on your side. So you have documents proving you're the grandson of Thomas Jefferson, and I'm sure there's a fortune that goes along with that. But you can't read. Right. We'll let you have the papers, but you can't read it. We don't teach you how to read them. So you can't even do anything with that, you know, to get whatever you're entitled to by being his grandson.

57:34 Yeah. This is what, and it's on the news. I mean, this, how sick is that? Yeah. And it gets sicker when we get into this Thomas Jefferson meet Sally Heming in an SNL skit. Gentlemen, if you'd like to adjourn to the dining room, dinner is nearly served. Maria. Yes, father. Who is that? That's Sally Hemmings, father, the new slave you inherited. Sally, I'm Thomas Jefferson, the owner of this house. I know who you are. I just wanted to welcome you to Monticello. I hope you'll be very happy here with us. Well, I'm just happy to be indoors. Thank you.

58:21 That's charming. Oh, brother, here he goes. Like a bee to a blossom. What are you talking about? Until you read the papers, everybody knows it. Thomas Jefferson only dates black chicks. Man. No, really? You've never heard that? No, that's totally his thing. Everybody knows that. And in humor, there's some truth. Always. I'm happy to be indoors. That's a house Negro. That's the animosity between the field Negro and the House Negro. We're going to get there with Malcolm X. And maybe that's a good time to skip there. Let's go to 13.

59:05 and then we'll come back to 12 because I want to lay this out because that's where the animosity and this is where color comes in to cause animosity between black people because house Negro just wasn't selected to be in the house, they were family members of the slave owners. Back during slavery, when black people like me talk to the slave, they didn't kill him, they sent some old house Negro along behind him to undo what he said. You have to read the history of slavery to understand this. There were two kinds of Negroes: there was that old house Negro and the field Negro.

59:46 And the House Negro always looked out for his master. When the field Negroes got too much out of line, he held them back in check. He put him back on the plantation. The house Negro could afford to do that because he lived better than the field Negro. He ate better, he dressed better, and he lived in a better house. He lived right up next to his master in the attic or the basement. He ate the same food his master ate and wore his same clothes. And he could talk just like his master, master. Good addiction. And he loved his master more than his master loved himself. That's why he didn't want his master hurt. If the master got sick, he'd say, What's the matter, boss? We sick when the master's house caught a fire. He tried to put the fire out. He didn't want his master's house burned.

1:00:30 He never wanted his master's property threatened. And he was more defensive of it than the master. Well, that was the house Negro. What is Malcolm saying here? I mean, I understand literally what he's saying, but did we miss an opportunity by calling the House Negro the Uncle Tom and the traitor and everything bad? Well, they're not traitors. No, that's stuck in the system. No, and they're stuck in the middle because your father is the master. Yes. And your mother is a slave. And it wasn't by force.

1:01:10 It was more by coercion as we're going to get into. We can probably just skip over 12. We're going to go to 14 after this. But it was more of coercion that, hey, you got it good here. You're living in the house. That's what she said. I'm just happy to be indoors. That was the punchline of the joke. I'm just happy to be indoors. You know what? That seed you're carrying in your belly. That's my child. It might get you and him free or her free if you go along and undo whatever those field Negroes are trying to do. You report back to me. You know, you go down there and I'm going to teach you how to read and you read in the Bible and you convince them it's their role to be slaves by the Bible.

1:01:57 That's that's how it worked. And maybe on my deathbed, I'll give you and your child freedom. So if you want your child to be free, of course you're going to sabotage, you know what I'm saying, whatever everybody else is doing. This is the bule. This is the bule. That's the mindset of the bule. There it is. Check it in. Check it in. That's the mindset. I'm going to let you come to Princeton, Harvard, wherever else, and get one of these nice educations. And as long as you keep them in line and keep them voting or keep them marching and not trying to change the system,

1:02:39 I'll make sure I give you. But you're going to live hand to mouth. That way I can call your phone anytime. And if you act up, I'll send you back down to the field with them. And you know what they're going to do with you down in the field if they know I don't care what you do. Hello, Palestine and Israel. Yeah. Same thing. Exactly. Yep. There it is. Well, this system is no good. Of course it ain't. I mean, that's why I'm trying to get rid of it. And it's not, it's, it's because we could be further along. We could, we, bro, we live in the, we live, we could have the best life ever if one, we stop mistreating people.

1:03:23 Each other each other. And then they wonder why it boils down to a one-to-one relationship where everybody's trying to scam each other or grift each other or steal from each other or whatever else. I mean, that's it starts at the top where they say the fish rots at the head. You made the point. You said if the politicians are stealing, then everybody else gets it. Everyone else is going to do it. Of course. If that's the example, let me get mine. Right. There's no moral high ground here. But that's the system. That's how it works. And it's like, I'll keep them. fighting against each other and I'll keep the scale balanced.

1:04:05 And like I said, on a global scale, on a global sense. And this is the same thing with Drake and Kendall Lamar. We'll bring Drake in. We know he ain't one of us, wink, wink, nod, nod, but we'll give him some privilege. You know, we'll give him all the things he needs to be successful. He has talent. I'm not taking that away from him. But we'll make him, everybody else distrust him because we'll let him. Oh, ghost writing, that was taboo in hip-hop. But we'll write in the papers, oh, no, no, this is the new hip-hop. We'll make it okay for him to have people write his rhymes for him. And that creates animosity between the House Negroes, Kendra Lamar, Future, and all of them against the, you know, saying, I mean, excuse me, the field Negroes against Drake, the House Negro.

1:04:51 Yeah. Same system. Okay. It ain't that complex. No. That's the thing about it. It's not that complex. But daggone if it's effective, but it ain't effective because it's going to miss one thing to win-win. Yeah. It's still, I keep saying it, and it is, but I'm going to illustrate to you how this leverage works. And this is a movie that came out in 2000. This is American Scandal. This is the story about Sally Hemmings. And this is the conversation. I'm just going to preface what's going on here.

1:05:29 This is a conversation between Sally Hemmings and her mother upon her return from France back to Virginia. Real French fabric. Look at this. Would you like to try it on? Don't you dare. Don't you dare stop wanting fine things. Fine things are traps. But I only wanted to try it on. I suppose your sister only wanted to try it on, too. You see what it got her? Get on out of here, critter. Sally, I am very disappointed in you. You were supposed to stay over there and be free.

1:06:11 James was going to see after you. And now both of you are back here. And you with your belly as big as a house. Bye, Master Tom. Please, Mother, enough of this. Please, mother, enough of this. My, my, my. We do have such class now, don't we? Such style and sophistication. You let me tell you something, Missy. You coming back here with your proper English and French clothes don't make you nothing but a fancy slave. That's where it's rooted. Oh, you speak so well. Yeah. Yeah. That then that makes you it's articulated as you talk white.

1:06:53 And that's why it's not trusted. When somebody talks white, I know it's not taught, but that's how it was said. Because here you come with a white education and a white mind. And every time it comes, it's coming to trick me. And every time I interacted with that, and that's the house Negro and the field Negro relationship. And that's why they're not trusted. And that's why Obama had to do that with swag. You know what I'm saying? That kind of thing. Code switching. Yeah. Because if you talk or spoke without that and carried yourself just as a, you know, as a Harvard or Ivy League person is supposed to, and whatever that means, then you won't be trusted.

1:07:40 So we got to put some of this swag, put some swag on it. And that was a mislead. And people fell for it, I guess. Well, because he had a black wife. Right. See, him and I'm going to say, oh, we're going there today. Him and Martin Luther King. Wife in quotes, okay? Yeah. Him and Martin Luther King wanted white women. Let's just keep it 100. But they knew it would make me ineffective when I go talk to the Negroes if I got a white woman on my arm. That's why they married black. Truth be told. Yeah. Makes sense. Yeah, because you can't come down here talking to us with her on your arm.

1:08:22 That's going to set off alarms. No, we need you to fit the whole part. So that's what we got the swag. You like to shoot basketball. You like rap music. You got a black wife. I mean, a black, black wife. And what I mean by that is, is a dark-skinned woman. All that was strategic. Yeah, well, that was product, Obama. Yeah. Package. You know, it worked, man. It worked. It worked. And the same thing. Just going back to 1958 or 1967. What was it used for? To usher in same-sex privileges. Exactly. Same thing. But the problem is, his swag ran out on him.

1:09:03 The pumpkins and the carrots turned to a pumpkin on him. That was the problem. You can't fake this. And the same thing with Drake. You can only fake it for so long. Once we sniff you out, you out. It's like being outed. And that's the best analogy I can give you. It's, oh, something ain't right. That's fishy. So is Kendrick Lamar what he's doing? Is that not just then a continuation of what Kanye was doing? As far as what? Calling out the industry? Yes, but what Kendrick Lamar is doing, he's calling out. And like I said, I'm not,

1:09:48 I got to say this up front. I am a Kendrick Lamar fan. I think Kendrick Lamar is the best rapper ever. I got to say that up front. But I'm going to say this as well. Kendrick Lamar is not a benevolent figure because Kendrick Lamar wants to be the best rapper ever. And the only person standing in his way is Drake. Really? Yeah. Yes. And why is Drake standing in his way? Because Drake got all the records. He got all the Michael Jackson records, not records. I'm just talking about like the number one albums, the number success. And the, you know, just the market success.

1:10:28 So only thing standing in his way to be the best all time is you got to beat beat the king to be the king. So that's, you know, it's kind of like the wire with Marlowe. You know, that's who Kendrick Lamar is. He don't care about, yeah, he don't care about the money and all that. He wants to be known as the best rapper ever. And the best way to do that is to get Drake out the way. Now, there's some other stuff to it, but I'm not going to get into the allegations or whatever else. You know what I'm saying? But that on a surface hip-hop level, that's the point. Get Drake out the way. If I get him out the way, then I'll be number one and I'll have a long reign because there's nobody else really in the conversation.

1:11:08 But except J. Cole, who is another biracial, and Drake and Kendrick Lamar. All right. So, but now you see why. Hopefully, people are understanding that beef better by what I'm doing here, explaining why color and biracial is the same thing. They're looking at Drake like, oh, you master son. Yeah. That's what they look at. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You go back to the house and he gives you good clothes and all this stuff. Right. So that means we have we learned nothing because that approach has not worked for 70, 80, 100 years.

1:11:52 Well, it's worked perfectly because it went over 70, 80. The goal, you know what I'm saying? The goal is not to completely subjugate or get rid of them. JFK Jr. told they could kill us all if they wanted to. They got the technology. Yeah. What they want to do is just make sure the system keeps going for 70, 80 years. I mean, what Lamar is doing. What? I mean, he's basically taking the same tactic that has always been taken. What, beating up the house slave? Yeah. Well, I mean, what else you gonna do? I don't know. That's the only person I'm allowed to beat on. You see what I'm saying? In the system,

1:12:34 you can beat on him. Yeah, as long as you don't get in my face. Yeah, Kendrick Lamar, no, that's why he has to paint Drake as white. And as you said, Jewish people don't identify as white, but that's why they had to identify him as white because they know if they get into the Jewish man faith, they'll shut you down. Yeah, you won't put out another album because they're allowed to run the record. And it's very convoluted. Yeah. It's very convoluted. And there's another thing. Well, also, and this is what nobody's really talking about. They're making the case for AI music is what they're doing. Because I don't know if you noticed or not, Drake and one of Drake diss songs, he used Tupac's voice.

1:13:18 Yeah, yeah, no, I heard about that. Yeah. Yeah. So he just basically validated AI music. And one of the beef beats that's used against Drake called BBL Drizzy is a soul song made by AI that was sampled. So now we don't have to sample old people catalogs no more. You just make something new that sounds like. Right. And then sample it, which I've done that. And it's pretty much. impressive. Right. Right. Okay. So

1:13:56 you make an AI song, then you sample something that sounds like some artist, but then you sample that, and then you're royalty-free. Right. Because you say, make a song that sounds like the Supremes. Right. And you can even tell it what you want to say. Right. And then you can sample that. Yeah. And then you make it, and you don't have to pay the Supremes. Which all they're doing is validating AI. They just have been the whole validation process of AI music. That's a good point. Which that's the biggest winner out of all of this. I would say legalization, not validation, but legalization. The reason why I'm saying validation is

1:14:42 nobody cringed when they did it. Nobody, you know what I'm saying? Nobody's saying just rejected it. Like, no, you can't do that. Like, no, that's great. You know, well, the Tupac sample was a problem. So that had to stop, but then the other stuff was not. Right. Just a normalization of it. So, but let's get back to the second point. So, what happens here? Let's catch people back up because we talked a little bit between the clips. Sally Hemmings came in. She's letting her sister try on her French clothing that Tom bought her. And her mother walks in, like, hey, them fine things get you caught up. And she, you know, saying, she's basically like, hey, mom, you're saying,

1:15:24 you know, you did it. You did it too. So that's where we're at right now. I made a choice, Mama. The same choice you made with Master Whales. I didn't have no choice. Slap. Yep. You're a damn fool, Sally. When my mother was brought over here from Africa, old Captain Hemmings took her. She had me. Then he turned around and he sold us to Master Whale.

1:16:07 Master Whale started in with me. I had the six of you. He turned around and we ended up here. That's the way it is with us, Sally. Mom and I always thought we were protected. Now you got this baby coming for Master Tom. You listen to me. You get that freedom for your baby in writing, and you get it now

1:16:53 while you still got what Pastor Tom wants. Yeah, I remember that. I think I watched that. If I recall, obviously, she didn't get what she was supposed to get from Tom because her grandson had to escape to Cincinnati that we just heard from in the previous clips as an enslaved as a slave. He had to escape. So they go, and like, it's just, it just continues on. And like I said, her mom didn't get her freedom. And this goes on and on and on. And what this first block of the show has discussed, the relationship, interracial,

1:17:37 black, quote-unquote, non-white woman, and a white man. That's a different phenomenon when we get to the black man and the white woman. They're not the same. And that's what even causes more confusion because it's not seen the same. And you'll see the tone later. But why is that? Why do you think that is? Okay. From the white supremacist standpoint, the black male is a super spreader. A black woman can only have one white mixed baby at a time. A black man can make a whole lot of mixed kids and cause a whole lot of damage.

1:18:21 This is why they used to castrate black men back then. And if you ever, what put this in perspective for me, when I'm in my younger years, I did some indoor gardening, you fill in the blanks. And what you had to do is horticulture, horticulture. Yeah, horticulture. Yeah. What you had to do, if you had a male plant, you had to. to get it out of there. ASAP. Oh, yeah, oh, yeah. I'm familiar with some of the horticulture, yes, right? Because what happens is one male plant can mess up the whole operation, yeah. And that put into perspective for me, like, oh,

1:18:59 this is why, yeah, and that answers your question of why male and female, and of course, we've solved that, we've solved that now with the baby mama culture and Planned Parenthood. Yes, you go ahead, you haven't go ahead, do whatever you got to do, but we'll take care of it. But that didn't solve the problem of the male spreading his seed far and wide. That's why the black male is seen the way he's seen as a huge problem as a quote-unquote super spreader. Yes, because you can, you know, saying as many as you can impregnate, you could go, wow, one person, one.

1:19:40 And that's why I did the horticulture saying uh analogy because one plant can ruin you know saying a hundred female plants if it's not your goal, yeah, uh, you know, so that's that's how they looked at it. So I got one last clip before we go into break, and this kind of illustrates what Diane Carroll, who was played by Diane Carroll, but uh, Sally Hemi's mother was saying how this kind of thing kicked off when um, when black women first interacted with uh the slave master. And this is, I don't know what movie this is from, it's somebody I found the clip on YouTube. Please, please, if you recognize the clip, please send me an email or whatever.

1:20:23 Contact me. But this is the tragic mulatto. But you don't owe them anything. You don't mean anything to them. They're just using you. You don't think I know? What do they want you to get while you're up here? My gun? My knife? The key. No, they didn't want anything. What do they want you to kill me? No. This is only your second trip, Aisha. It's my 12th. I know what goes on down there in the hole without asking anybody. I know. They plan, they plot. But I never carried a boatload that didn't. They always try to revolt and they always fail. I do the same thing in their place.

1:21:06 But I'm not in their place. Neither are you. But I'm a part of them. Makes no difference. It's what people want that matters. And you and I, we want the same thing. Those people out there, they will die for their tribe. We don't want to die for anything. We want to live for ourselves. Maybe it's not very great or noble, but that's the way we are, both of us. What makes you so sure I'm like that when you gave yourself to me for the first time for a few trinkets, you sold them all out.

1:21:48 You became what do the slaves call it? White man's trash. You'll stay. I know you will. And just to go back to the Drake situation, that is one of the things Drake appears to be doing is to have his way with black women. And, you know what I'm saying? And that sexual aspect of it. If you notice, like, him and Sexy Red together, it's like, you know, you like, you, you, you like the further, like you're saying, the stereotypes.

1:22:30 You, the only way you deal with black women is the further stereotype, you know, and that's that's one of the knots against him. But I just want to, I just wanted to lay that out there. That's the first block. That's the interracial non-white woman and a white man. Yeah, I'm already exhausted, Mo. I'm exhausted already from this show. I'm sorry. It's like, fucking make it. Yeah, like, I know, I know. By the way, I figured out how I knew about that movie. The Diane Carroll movie. This is this is weird. You know, I'll be 60 in September, so for some reason, weird things come back to me now from my life, from my several stages.

1:30:13 Go to mofundme.com or mofax.com. Go to the donation page and return some value while you still can. And thank you for supporting episode 98 of MoFax with Adam Curry. So we start the last block off with legal ramifications of interracial marriage. We're going to pick up, this wasn't interracial marriage, but this also shows from the non-white man and the white woman how legislation was created and used. And this is part and salt for a black boxer.

1:30:51 Jack Johnson loved the limelight and the controversy which surrounded him. He was born in 1878, a black man living in a country ruled by white people. In 1908, Johnson became the first African-American to win the World Heavyweight Boxing Crown. The film of his fight against Canadian Tommy Burns was stopped before Johnson's knockout punch. Many argue it was done to shield viewers from the sight of a black man beating a white man. Johnson generated just as much, if not more, publicity outside the boxing ring. He refused to hide his relationships with white women, which many found outrageous in the U.S. at a time of widespread racial segregation. It would prove to be his undoing.

1:31:33 In 1912, Chicago police arrested Johnson for violating the Man Act. The federal legislation banned the transportation of women across state borders for immoral purposes, a law intended to stop young girls from being lured into prostitution. Wow, doesn't that just sound like the beef? Yeah, and that's what Diddy is facing. That's how they got R. Kelly. This flying girls out. And it's very loose with the, not in those cases, I mean, especially R. Kelly. He was definitely a creep. Diddy is to be determined because you're innocent until proven guilty in this system.

1:32:13 He hasn't even been charged with anything. That's what I'm saying. You're innocent until proven guilty. So I can't. But this is how it works. They created, they used a law, created a law-demand act to take Jack Johnson down. Now, could it be because he was bad for business, you know what I'm saying, knocking a white man on the camera? Yeah. Or, you know what I'm saying, being white women. But just go to show you when the system starts to come after you.

1:32:53 Justice is a this form of justice ain't really justice. Now, like I said, I don't, I don't know what the, you know what I'm saying, the details was with his case, but definitely they took him down. Yeah, they took him down and they ruined his career, actually. But I mean, you said it, and I wanted to see if you caught on. Yeah, this is how easy it is. We got a flight log. Hello. And it's crazy. We're holding it back. We're holding it back just until we need it. Yeah, we got man act. We got a man act on the book. books, and we got a flight log that we're still waiting on whose names was on it. But somehow we can't get these people arrested.

1:33:36 But if you, you know, if whoever we want to take down, if you flew somebody out and offer to pay them money, and that's the thing they are using against Diddy, they've been hyping that up. Just to go there for a minute of, you know, sex worker, sex worker. They kept using this term. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because then you come into illegality. Yep. Right. And that definitions for ill moral. But what it means, but where do they? What did Diddy do? Did he start living beyond his britches? What did he do? To be well. Sometimes you just live past your usefulness.

1:34:17 You know what I'm saying? Like, we no longer, you're no longer any good to us. We need to take attention elsewhere. You got to ask yourself, what's going on while we're talking about this? The same thing with his beef. What's going on while this distraction is going on? Well, Taylor Swift and the other witches of Hollywood are corrupting our children. Yeah. That's my guess. I'm just saying, like, that's the whole thing. Like, it's always, you know, what is going on with the other hand when we're doing these magic tricks. And like I said, it's too big. You're saying TBD with Diddy, but it's still hanging out there. And that's the problem with Drake because now they're calling him P. Drizzy.

1:35:02 You know what I'm saying? Like, so, yeah. So they're lumping them all together. Yeah. And we're going, I'm going to show you later that he thinks he has privilege, but privilege ain't the same thing as being the supreme. And he's going to find it out sooner or later if they want that to happen. But let's go and get to this second part of the Jack Johnson clip. In 1912, Chicago police arrested Johnson for violating the Man Act. The federal legislation banned the transportation of women across state borders for immoral purposes, a law intended to stop young girls from being lured into prostitution.

1:35:41 But federal agents were determined to use it against Johnson in a prosecution many saw as punishment for a high-profile black man having a relationship with a white woman. Bell Schreiber testified against him, a white prostitute who had also been Johnson's girlfriend on and off for four years. Johnson pleaded not guilty but was convicted and sentenced to one year and one day in prison. After his release, Johnson tried to renew his boxing career, but never regained his title nor his fearsome reputation. He died in a car crash in 1946 at the age of 68. We need to erase this act of racism that sent

1:36:20 an American citizen to prison on a trumped-up charge. McCain was behind similar unsuccessful attempts to pass legislation on a pardon for Johnson in 2004 and 2008. McCain's renewed push this year could see Johnson pardoned by Barack Obama, the man who defeated McCain in last year's general election and became the first black president of the United States. Did he? Did he? I think it was actually Trump that pardoned Jack Johnson. Can you fact check me? I think it was Trump. That's a good point. I believe if I'm about 95% sure Jack Johnson, he made a big deal out of it. Let me see. Yes. Yes. Yes. Well, 2018. Yes.

1:37:05 No. So even Obama couldn't. No, he couldn't do that. He couldn't do that. And it seems bipartisan because you had John McCain in this clip pushing for it. Why didn't Obama pull the trigger on it? Or did he not? It's amazing how men in America in any position is always the sex. It's always, but we got Trump in court right now. Right. It's always that. It's not about did you, did you, were you a good leader? Were you a good boxer? Were you a good hip-hop?

1:37:42 No, it always comes down to, oh, look what you did there. I think because you can define it any way you want to, ill moral means is like that's kind of a vague term. And some of the, I don't want to say strange unorthodox sex practices that are deemed acceptable now. I mean, you got the dog thing going, you know, not the actual dog, but it was the guy who was the nuclear. He was over the nuclear, the ball-headed guy that dressed like a woman. Oh, yeah. Yeah. With the dog collar.

1:38:21 Yeah, the whole thing. You got furries, you know what I'm saying? All kinds of shit. which, like I said, if it's legal, do your thing. I'm not, I'm not a player hater, you know what I'm saying? But that could be put out in public and forced on you to accept. But if it's something, you know, as far as like you said, with Trump paying somebody not to whatever, I don't know what they really didn't get caught up in that whole Stormy Daniel thing. I think he paid her or something. Like, what are we doing here? We got TikTok. We got not TikTok, excuse me, OnlyFans. You know what I'm saying? Like,

1:39:01 that's. I want to say something else. During Jack Johnson's time, there was a thing called white slavery, where white women were being used for prostitution at a super high rate. We're at that point again with TikTok. I mean, with TikTok and OnlyFans. Yes. So, yeah. So, don't be surprised if you see a lot of human trafficking talk kicked up. I'm going to skip 20 and 21 because we talk what I want to talk about there. We've talked about early in the show. So, it'll just be beating a dead horse. All right. The point I'm making is Andrew Tate,

1:39:41 yeah, another biracial man who was given white privilege. He was given the white privilege of being racially ambiguous. You know, top G, this guy, he's a kickboxer. That's what I'm like, it had that Jack Johnson kind of parallel going there. He's accused of using the Lover Boy method. Now, this is him and Pierce Morgan going back and forth about what the Lover Boy method is. He deployed the Lover Boy method where you would make women fall in love with you. You would then persuade them to do webcam. Webcam stuff, right? TikTok. Okay, but wait, let's call it webcam stuff, right? No, let's not call it that. The indictment is about TikTok.

1:40:24 Okay, what would you make the women do? Or what would they do with you? I don't make anybody do anything. In fact, let's talk about the loverboy method. So it's very interesting. Let's imagine the Matrix is pissed off with a said individual who's telling too much truth, and everybody is listening to him, and they decide they're going to attack him with sexual assault claims. They say, Ah, he's making women do. Well, we found conversations where he gave advice on how to go viral on TikTok. He's making women do TikTok, but he isn't being horrible to them. He's not hitting them. He's not being mean to them. So what can we do? Let's use the Lover Boy method. If I was abusive and mean, they wouldn't say Lover Boy method. Do you know what Loverboy method means? Being nice. I didn't realize that his dad was an international chess master. And for the CIA, allegedly. Oh, makes nothing but sense.

1:41:07 Yeah. Which him, him and Drake. Once again, while I'm covering this, him and Drake have a lot of parallels. I see that now. Of the, I mean, I think Dre almost calls up certified lover boy. If I'm not one of his songs or album, you see, you see what's going, you see what's going on here? Yeah. And the lover boy method on his face. If you want to say, okay, somebody manipulated somebody to do something. If we're talking under age, yes, I mean, of course, if we talk under age, any method is it should be a crime. And you're saying it should get you. Never mind. But I don't think that I don't think that was any of the allegations about

1:41:52 the lover boy method is the end around for consent. Like, yeah, she gave consent, but it was under a spell of niceness. Well, to be frank, she was getting digmatized. That's what it means. Let's just put this, call it a spade a spade. That's no, honestly, that's what she was hypnotized by his sex. That's a nice way to put it, lover boy method, but that's a very slippery slope of when you get somebody to do something or you know, whatever.

1:42:31 You know, like being on TikTok, was that a crime? No, because we see it should be. You know what I'm saying? Like a lot. Some of that stuff should be a crime. But I mean, from my standards and me having daughters, yeah. But if it's not a crime and she gave consent, allowing a person to come back later and say, yeah, I gave consent, but it was under I don't, I was hypnotized. I mean, come on, Mo. This the whole thing is stupid. We got drag queens going in, having children stick dollar bills in their panties.

1:43:11 That's the conclusion in grade school and libraries. Come on. It's like, what are we talking about? That's meant to keep you off kilt. kilter. But this lover boy method is, I would say, it's basically what they accuse Jack Johnson of, pretty much. You know, it was consent. But, you know, it's like, it's like the 2.0 with the man act. Like, we, yeah, if you just took cross borders, you were saying, well, that should be kidnapping, to be honest with you. You know, like, if you took her against the wheel, that should be kidnapping. You don't need another law for it.

1:43:51 But this is if you gave consent, then we can go back and hem you up. And look, look, let me make it clear. I am no Andrew Tate fan or defense lawyer, but I see the setup when you create these loopholes, you know, of lover boy method. If that's the case, then Thomas Jefferson was using the lover boy method because you said Sally Hemmons gave consent. Elon Musk uses the lover boy method. Well, let's listen to 23 and then we can go. We'll pick up 24 quickly after that.

1:44:34 Being nice. He was nice and polite and kind, and they really liked him as a person. And he told them how to do TikTok. That's not what the Lover Boy met. Of course it is. Andrew, that's not what the Lover Boy method is. Absolutely it is. The Lover Boy method is where perpetrators woo victims with the prospect of a loving relationship until they can be forced into abusive situations or a form of slavery. This is garbage. That's actually what it means. The loverboy method is being nice to people so that you work together, effectively what they're trying to say here. I was nice to girls who asked me for TikTok advice and they sang it's the lover boy method. I didn't beat them into doing TikTok. I didn't force them. I didn't threaten them. In fact, I was like, yeah, you're very pretty. You can be pretty famous. Was there any element of coercion? How can there be an element? What does that even mean? Let's be professionals here. What does that even mean? What do you think coercion means?

1:45:18 I was coerced into this interview. You came along to me and said... You weren't coerced into this interview. Yes, I was. Well, don't tell me. The bully MSM said, Andrew, you've got to do an interview. No, I'm going to fly all the way to Romania. Not to do it. You didn't do that. You used the Lover Boy method. You said, so Loverboy method. Yeah. Yeah, good point. If you've, because that definition, you wooed her, then you forced her. At the point where force happens, we got crime, we got lies in the books. Right. You don't need the wooed part to it because that's a very slippery slope. That's kind of like when they had those rape laws. I'm sure YouTube is going to kill me for that one, but we don't do grape around here.

1:46:03 You know what I'm saying? But you had that law on the book to say after the fact, you can rescind consent. That's a very, because I got sons. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's a very dangerous. And that's what my mom told me. You're saying, why not to mess interracially? Can you not? Can you not say rape on YouTube anymore? No, you had to say grape and you had to say PDF file. PDF file. Yes. Oh. For PDF file. Yeah, I get it. I get it. Yeah. So I'm just giving people the. We don't do that. You know what I'm saying? But I'm just giving you the, that's the lingo, you know what I'm saying? Of if you want to be on YouTube.

1:46:46 Yeah. Well, if you want to be on YouTube, be monetized. You mean if you're not monetized, then they don't mess with you or whatever. You know what I'm saying? Okay. Yeah. They'll just steal your money. No, they're stealing your money no matter what. But yeah, these laws, I believe, are written because of black men. I'm just going to keep it. I'm just going to keep it 100 with you. I'll be lying to myself, which that's disrespecting myself if I didn't see it any other way. The same thing with Jack Johnson. The same thing with the man act. We should have everybody on Epstein's flight log hit with the man act

1:47:31 because exactly what they were doing. Well, they won't do that. Epstein, of course, did get hit with the man act. I'm talking about everybody was on that plane with him. Because that's what you were flying. You know what I'm saying? I'm sure there was women on the plane with him. Yeah. So let's go ahead and do that. But let's go to show you. When I was listening to this, I was like, hold on. Didn't Pierce Morgan do the lover boy method? Yeah. I guess so. 24. There we go. The genesis of my relationship with Megan Markle was I started following a bunch of stars from Suits on Twitter. And she was one of them because I loved Suits. And I followed about four of them. And the moment I followed Megan Markle, I get a direct message from her.

1:48:13 I say, oh my God, I'm such a. a big fan, you know, blah, blah, blah. So, okay, very nice. Start to correspond with her. We get on very well. We're talking about Suit's plot line. She starts giving me a few juicy bones of plot lines to come. And then Megan says, I'm coming to London to watch to a few meetings, but to watch Serena Williams, her great friend, play at Wimbledon in the tennis tournament. Do you want to meet up? And I was like, Yes, I would love to meet up. Why don't you come to my local pub, the Scarsdale Tavern in Kensington? Who would know that what a fateful night that was? Because she went from me here to her first proper date with Prince Harry. Okay, how do you know that? I know that because she spent three, four more days in England

1:48:59 and she had two nights with Harry. And three, four months later, it all came out. Harry dating actress. And I went, which actress, whoa, whoa, whoa, what? And then it said, they befriended each other in the last week of June when she was here to see her friend Serena Williams playing tennis. I was like, yes. And then they went out on like the Thursday night or whatever it was to Five Harford Street. I went, yes, I know that because I put her in an Uber from this pub to five Hartford Street. Well done, Pierce. Yeah, lovely. So Pierce was, yeah, he flew her out. Yeah. Yeah. Trying to woo her. Yeah.

1:49:44 Helping him for financial gain. Right. So we got to be careful with that, Pierce. You know what I'm saying? Because that's a slippery slope that could be easily turned back around on you. And once again, I have to say this: I have daughters. If you're a Creep, you need to be locked up. You need to be locked up for a very long time. But I also have a son. And it's like, we got to be careful with these laws and their interpretations of them. Laws should be very clear and concise and not have these gray areas in them that could be used and weaponized against people. And law should be leveraged the same way. Yeah. Well, unfortunately, our Justice Department has a wide interpretation of all laws at this moment.

1:50:29 So no one is safe. No one is safe. Now we have to go to Mr. OJ Simpson. Now, yes. And I'm sure people already are up on the edge of their seat. OJ Simpson. Now, I want to think people to think about something for a minute. First of all, I think OJ didn't do it because I think if OJ did do it, they would have had a documentary out right now laying out even afterwards because they locked him up. I mean, they could do whatever they want to. We're saying they showed you that. Even when he beat the first case, they locked him up for stealing his own stuff.

1:51:09 Right. They would have a because you remember they did that. Michael did that to Michael Jackson. He beat the case, but they put that documentary out of this is how we did it kind of thing. And Oprah played a role in it. I think if OJ would have done it, they would have had a very clear point-by-point documentary or movie that laid out specifically how he did it. I don't think he did it. I mean, I've always thought he was covering up for his son. Right. Could he be involved? Could it be a debt he owed or they owed or whoever? I don't know. But, you know, I don't think he did it. You know, and with that said,

1:51:54 I'll have to say this: OJ Simpson proves America is not over a black man being with a white woman because if Nicole Brown Simpson had been black, oh, nobody wouldn't have been such a big deal. Exactly. The reason why it was such a big deal for two reasons. He allegedly was accused of murdering a blonde-haired, this matters, a blonde-haired, beautiful white woman. And if you don't think that matters, go look and see which kidnap cases they report and which ones they don't report on the news.

1:52:39 So that was a problem in itself. Two, he also was accused and allegedly murdering a Jewish man. Yes. Nobody talks about that part. Very little. Yeah. This is why the media was on his head in the way they were. Yeah. I want people to pay attention to that. So that's why to this day, in that. like, when I was working on this case, OJ Simpson passed away. I said, I'm going to see what the reaction is. Two things I noticed. One,

1:53:19 that racism, that animosity boiled up like it happened yesterday. And from weird places, from I'm talking about from hip-hop and saying hip-hop media. Like the same papers that write about King Vaughn killing other black men. Is he a serial killer? It's like, nobody cared. Like, that goes to show you it's not the killing that's the problem. Well, what I noticed when OJ passed is that people,

1:53:56 and it was kind of Ancillary. I wasn't really very focused on it. So just the stuff that bubbled up enough for me to notice was the jurors and interviewing the jurors. Oh, yeah, no, we were, we're going to let him walk. Didn't matter if he did it. We were going to let him walk. That was kind of the narrative that was coming out of mainstream news on that. The second thing I noticed, 95, 96, when it happened, he got, he beat the case. He didn't do it. Up until he passed away, the sentiment amongst black people is he did it, but he got away. All of a sudden, when that racism came out, when he passed away, now all of a sudden, this is why I said it's reactive.

1:54:39 It's a counterculture. It was like, now he didn't do it again. I'm like, hold on, y'all were the same ones saying he did do it, but he got away with it. Now he didn't do it again. See how reactive to race this whole thing is? For such a time. And like for such a time as this. Right. And that's, I don't know if people, and I said it on saying on the Orange People episode, they're manufacturing races and racism. And that's why it's racial tension. Racial tension. They have to keep it going. They have to find every little, I think this is why Elon is letting X go the way it is because X is nothing but a racism machine.

1:55:22 Thank you. That's what I keep saying. People are like, oh, he's so great. He's the best. I'm like, no, no, it's not good. I wouldn't say he's a great or he's the best, but he's necessary because guess what? He's letting all this sentiment that's underlying out up in the open. Let it all out. Let it all be. If you don't like a person, go for it. You know, don't, don't hide it. You know, don't. But what's happening is I'm seeing old stories like OJ Simpson be rehashed. It's like that was something that was discussed five years ago. These old videos going both ways.

1:56:05 And it's just race, you're saying people of different races trying to one up each other. Now let's go back to OJ Simpson because I want to go into this clip and this was released after he passed. This is what you were alluding to about the jurors racial tensions exploited. Now to another trial, this one, the trial of the century, back in the headlines tonight, new revelations about OJ's dream team of lawyers and how they worked the prosecutors and the jury to their advantage. And then there was that glove. It is all in a new documentary. And ABC's Juju Chang is on this case that still grips the country.

1:56:42 The trial of the century, like you've never seen it before. From the infamous chase to the bloody glove that was never supposed to be tried on. I didn't want to do it. I mean, I knew it was a mistake. I said, if the latex is going to screw up the fit, they shrunk. The rest is history. If it doesn't fit, you must acquit. And a closer look at the jury who found the football superhero not guilty of killing his ex-wife. The LA County DA breaking his silence after 21 years. My belief is they already had their minds made up before they went in and began deliberations. Yeah. Yeah, that's the stuff that I saw. Yeah. And the thing I said about OJ, one more thing I say about him is the other thing that pissed off, pissed him off about OJ is that even when they locked him up the second time, when they locked him up for that, stealing his own stuff,

1:57:36 he didn't show them that they got to him. That's one thing about this system. If you holler and scream and, you know, and cry, they'll be like, okay, yeah, we're happy now. But he went in, took his time, came out, and act like nothing happened. Yeah, he, and they threw the book at him, too. I mean, like nine years or something. gave him 33. Hello. Hello. Hello. He did nine on a 33, which my only point is this. And this is why I can't understand is that if you want to look at

1:58:21 murderers, Barack Obama is a far bigger murderer than OJ Simpson. The drone president. You see what I'm saying? Like, I mean, if you just want to say, okay, just do same race and who's the bigger murderer. But, oh, you dropped bombs out the sky on brown people. That's okay. Or we celebrate black men killing other black men. We'll give you a record deal. That's fine. Yeah. That go to show you it's not about who the killing is about who you killed. And that was OJ's biggest sin. And like I said, I don't think he did it. If he did do it, he's dead now.

1:59:01 He did nine. It is what it is. But my issue is like, is the point of we can't pretend like this sentiment doesn't happen. And it's not there. It's there, folks. We're definitely pretending it doesn't. We're definitely pretending that this no longer is a thing. And it's not a recognition of what it is. People are, people think that, oh, it's just, there's just racists in the world. They don't quite understand what's going on. It's the operating system. You have to download it. It's not out there. It's in you. If you let it, you know, and that's the thing.

1:59:43 Like, I have to be honest with myself. I have to be honest with people I talk to. Now, sometimes you have to be more direct because the more confusing it is, you know what I'm saying, the more direct you have to be. It's kind of like throwing cold water on people. It's like, hold on, like you're kind of, you know what I'm saying? Like you're out of your mind right now. Let me like. Well, but it's hard for people when you talk about, I mean, we've, I implore people to go back and listen to some of these earlier episodes. When we talk about white supremacy, it's not about skin color. You know what they hear? They hear white. It's the system, the system, first of all, of white supremacy.

2:00:25 They go right to white. Yeah. As you said. I'm concerned with the system of supremacy. I don't care what color it is or who's doing it. It could be the supremacy of blue-eyed people or green-eyed people or one-legged people or, you know what I'm saying, humpbacks. If you're willing to have a system designed to oppress and mistreat people, we need to get rid of that. Or if you're doing it, just lean into it. At least be honest about it. That's my point. We can't get anywhere unless you're honest about it. Like, if you said, you know what, Mo, I think OJ did it. That's that's what you believe. And this is what this show is built around. I can't be offended and get my emotion about what you believe.

2:01:10 And I appreciate that you're honest with me. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's all we have to do. Okay, you believe that? I believe this. You know what I'm saying? It's okay. The world ain't going to come to an end. Yeah, but social media doesn't let that conversation actually stop there because everyone's so safe. We're so safe. And people are frauds. No, that's not. Yeah. Big time. People are broken, brother. That's what I'm seeing. Broken people. Broken people break people. So I ain't going to be, but we talked about the OJ thing. Well, it's a little bit funny about the lawyers and how they did this. Let's just listen to the second clip. We don't have to talk about it. But this is lawyers for you.

2:01:54 New details on their field trip to OJ's home, where the majority African-American jury thought they got a glimpse of his life. What we did that day is create an illusion. We took all of his white friends down, put all of his black people up, pictures he probably had never seen before. If we had had a Latin jury, we would have had a picture of a sombrero. There would have been a mariachi ban out front. We would have had a pinata at the upper staircase. That whitewashing of OJ's now demolished estate here on Rockingham symbolizes the racially polarizing defense strategy, exploiting decades of racial tensions with the LAPD to win that not guilty verdict.

2:02:39 Cecilia. Juju, thank you. And OJ Simpson made an America premieres tonight at 9 Eastern on ABC. That's so funny. I got to tell you a story. A friend of mine has a legal case, and he's being railroaded, and he's a doctor. doctor. And I think he's gonna be okay, but it's it's just like you know, he's an he's an orange person, so you know, that's why the justice is all over him. Then, but I think justice will prevail, but and it's and it's a it's a medical case, and so I've been asked to be a potential character witness, which yeah, I'm happy to do this.

2:03:24 And so, I sit with the lawyers and I talk about an episode, and he's a doctor where we're at a restaurant, and you know, it's a character witness, right? And there was a child who, you know, no one noticed this child was choking. He springs into action, saved this kid life right there in front of my eyes, you know, like seven, eight-year-old girl. And so, I tell the story to the lawyers, but they I realize pretty quickly they've already heard this story, maybe from somebody else. And then the lawyer says they're talking amongst each other. Do you think it would make a difference if he said that it was a black girl? And I'm like, there you go, man. This is exactly how it rolls in justice.

2:04:06 Yeah, because we got to make him out the orange. That's right, that's right. It's like, holy moly. Yeah, I felt pretty creepy when they said that. But that's the legal system. That's the legal system. Yeah, legal system. Yep. So now we got to get a little nilly in the show. Of course. Flowers for Fuller. He explained why it went from the Jack Johnson destroy a black man if it were with a white woman to where we're at today. In these next two clips, this is 27. Oh, it may not be dangerous in this day and time, depends on where you are. In fact, the white supremacists at one time would hang a black person, shoot him, run him down, I mean, and kill him, or string him up to a tree just for thinking about looking at a white woman.

2:04:58 Now, like Elijah Mohammed said, I mean, I'll mention one name. He said, because I heard him say this many years ago: See, now they will lynch you for not being with them, chasing a white woman and whatnot. What's that all about? Why this sudden change? And I came to the conclusion it's a part of the new white supremacist refined stage of racism. Ah, we have an upgrade. An upgrade to the software. You have to. You have to. Like I said, when that television came, that changed a lot of stuff.

2:05:36 Now, just like when the smartphone came and social media came, every time technology upgrades, the system has to get an upgrade. Because we can't do big, well, for example, with Rotten the King, it's like we got camcorders out here now. You know, you can't do what you used to do because somebody might be recording. Yep. So every time you get an upgrade to the system, I mean, I upgrade the technology, you have to upgrade the system to become more refined. And one of the other things I want to talk about about racial confusion, because I didn't want to make this sully about the Kendrick Lamar thing, because it's not. I wanted to talk about this interracial dating with athletes,

2:06:18 black athletes. I am a firm believer. This is a genetic, how do I put it on X? It's a genetic harvesting operation. I saw that. I saw that tweet. Yes. I'm a firm believer in that. We know we've talked about the with the academic, you know, find the smartest ones, the talented 10th, you know, get them, put them on the fast track to become leaders, and then send them off to white schools, quote unquote, white schools, Ivy League, that kind of thing. Same thing with the athletes.

2:07:03 Let's get them. Let's find, I think that's the whole point of sports. Let's find the ones who can run the fastest, jump the highest. Once they become 16, 17 years old, they go off to prep schools, which is once I, this is what I was talking about the options. Once you become further and further up the ladder, your options get fewer and fewer. Now you're going to have to find eight. You know what I'm saying? Like as a young man, you're going to find a woman. But now your options, like maybe black women is like one out of 10, one out of 20. The likelihood is you're going to what? You're going to take, you know, going to go up the odds.

2:07:46 And it's set up this way. What does that do? Now you have, for instance, Patrick Mahomes. Let's go there for a minute. His dad married a white woman, had Patrick Mahomes. He's biracial. Patrick Mahones married a white woman. Oh, so what you're saying is we're breeding the next generation of top athletes. Yeah, but you're harvesting the DNA. Yes. And then when you look around, all of Patrick Mahomes' dad's great-grandkids is going to be our great-great-grandkids are going to be white. But they had that superior athletic gene athletic.

2:08:29 So it's eugenics. Yeah. I like it. That's great. And it's, and that's what D1 sports is all about. Because they scout and scour the whole United States and the globe. They go around the globe to bring talented people here. Even to Africa. Even to Africa. Get some big freaks out of Africa. Right. But you don't see that go the other way. You see what I'm saying? Like, like with the quarterbacks, whatever, they, you know what I'm saying? They have women that look like them. But, yeah. And this is what they do. They put you, isolate you in these predominantly. I went to one. I went to a predominantly white college for a year, and I was a fish out of water.

2:09:10 I only went to school four days a week. It was so strange to me. You know what I'm saying? Growing, like, because it was man, maybe 3% black at best. And all most of those were athletes. So they had their own little culture, you know, their own little group. This is like, hold on, who do I hang out with? You know, because y'all are doing two days or whatever, you know what I'm saying? Doing your sports activities. But I went there because when my parents went to school, you know what I'm saying? Because they actually went back to school in the 30s. And that was the only campus that had apartments where you could bring your kids with. Right. Yes. I remember you telling me that.

2:09:49 Yeah. So that was the reason why they went there. But yeah. So I went there. I was like, I tried to keep the family tradition. Black, I can't do this. Because culturally, I was just out of place. Out of the place. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm just telling you that's how it works. And then you can tell you these young men are going to do what young men do and get with what's available. But it's a strategy. One, you harvesting the DNA and the genetics, but then you're also taking the money. Yeah, I'll give you $250 million

2:10:32 because we're going to get it right back into the system. Yeah. What do you think Obama's great-grandkids are going to look like? Let's just keep it 100 here. Yeah, we know. Yeah, when you have the Obama, you know, like 50 years from now, celebrating Obama, whatever, you know what I'm saying? It's going to be a whole bunch of lightly melanated people up there at best. Well, now, you know, that I still think that these kids are Stevie Wonder and Scottie Pippen's kids. I don't think they're Obama's kids, but that's my opinion. Of course. But they're still going to have to marry white. That's my opinion. But they're going to still have to marry white, is what I'm saying. To be, and it's not, they have to.

2:11:13 It's when you go to school. And I'm speaking from my standpoint. Like, with my kids, if we live, you know, if I didn't tell my kids, you know what I'm saying, the importance of who they are and they shouldn't feel ashamed of it. And they should, you know, saying, love themselves, it might go another way. You feel what I'm saying? Of course. Of course. And I get backlash. Like I said, I get, you know, like, you can't tell your kids. Why can't I tell my kids that? Like, everybody else does it. I'm sure Indians tell their kids that. Asians tell their kids that. We know that. That's a fact. Hispanic people tell their kids like all of a sudden.

2:11:58 I can't say that. You know, that's hateful. No, it's not hateful. I love myself. Look at me. You know what I'm saying? Do you know what I mean? I love myself. You know what the first interracial kiss was on television? What was that? I do not. Star Trek. And who was it? It was Captain Kirk, William Shatner, with Lieutenant Uhura. Right. 1968. Antagalactic. That's right. That's right. Interracial, intergalactic kiss. That's right. And you know what also did that avatar? Yes. Yeah. Although I never saw it. We've talked about it. Yeah. Yeah. Avatar, he got into the blue man. The blue people. Yes. Yeah. And did it internally. But yeah, that's the thing.

2:12:43 And we just got it. Like I said, we have to be honest about it because honestly, and I'm going to just. like get to the point where I'm trying to say here. We should, if you choose to have biracial children, understand that the system don't care about their feelings. And they're going to be confused because the system is created on a color-based system. And I had a word for it. It was monochromatic. What was it? It was like monochromatic archery. It's like basically a color monarchy. A single color monarchy is what we're in.

2:13:28 Like the royal system. That's all it is. And if you understand that, your kids, you have to take care because they're not going to be accepted in certain circles. And this is why we had these kids on college campuses now. Because what end up happening is they grow up in bubbles where people don't see color as they shouldn't. I mean, that's the right thing to do. You shouldn't see color. You know. And then they get to college and then they had that first experience where they're treated black. Now, what do you, what do you think about the trend in colleges where there's black-only commencement ceremonies, black-only dormitories?

2:14:12 I say this: if you want that, go to HBCU. Yeah. How are you going to go somewhere and say, oh, I'm at a predominantly white school, but I want to have a black, all-black graduation? Then go to HBCU. You can't impose your will on other people. You know why I say that? Because I'm fair. That's like white people going to a HBCU and saying they want to have an all-white commitment. Yeah, that would fly. You see, see how fair works? You say, like, it goes both ways. No, you can't. No, that would not be accepted at all. It's like, why did you come here? But you know what?

2:14:54 People are like, well, I get a better education at an Ivy. How? Not so sure about that. Don't you get the same internet? You say the same books? You know, that's see, that's that downward thinking of, oh, I can't get a kind of education over there. If you want to be educated, you can get education wherever you want to. But like I said, I don't want to belabor the point, but my whole point of all of this is I feel for Drake. I honestly do. I sincerely feel for him. It's not a fakeness because that would be the most confusing thing for me because I experienced that with two black parents.

2:15:35 Yeah. With one side of the family, saying, like, oh, you're like your other side of the family. You know, and then you go over there like, no, you like your other side of the family. Wow. Yeah. Because they were culturally, you know what I'm saying, a little bit different. One side of the family was a little bit more country. We never saw Fresh Prince. We never saw that argument. What's that? I'm Fresh Prince of Bel Air. What argument? Yeah, about your side of the family, my side of the family. Didn't they switch out moms at a certain point? They got a light-skinned mom. Yeah. You didn't see it there, but a good case of it was like Martin. Because Martin, Tisha Campbell, she was more bougie. That's true. That's true. Yeah, so you have that. I'm just saying, like, with not

2:16:20 the system's not fair, but thinking that you're going to impose your will on the system to make your, you know, saying like, that's not fair to kids. And I honestly believe that let the kids choose. You know, making them black, that's not fair to them. Making them black. You know, like, what is how, how do you do that? You know, that's like I said, I just, I feel empathy for biracial people because there's a lot of biracial people do a lot of great things for black people. But if they, you know, if they choose to go white, then oh, you're trying to be white.

2:17:01 It's like, hold on, I'm half white. Like, what do you want me to do? You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah. Well, there's a lot to feel for Drake about. I mean, Canadian. I mean, all these people. Yeah. And like I said, yeah. Is he not even like white, white? And it's the other thing. It's like, so, yeah. I kid Canadians. I kid. Yeah. So I'm just going to go past the Nilly Fuller thing. Neely Fuller talks more about how the system works. Dr. Frances Chris Wilson, which she was his counterpart and really the inspiration for him to write the book. I mean, he had a bunch of manuscripts, but she was like, you need to write a book. You need to write a book. You need to write a book.

2:17:43 Could that go to show you? I'm saying the man and woman, they need each other. You know what I'm saying? That unit is those two forces are needed together. She spoke more about how the system worked and why, why it was the way it was. And here she's speaking on interracial marriage and relationships. If white women have been forbidden to black men by oppression, if the black man has access to the white woman, that that will make him feel more psychologically free. It will fool them more. Let's say, for example, if you tell me, Franklin. You said psychologically free. Well, women. You didn't say functionally free. No, it's a fantasy. And then it's a psychosis. In other words, if you are operating, just like they tell us.

2:18:27 That means it's functioning, if you are functioning on something that is not reality, then you've had it. Okay. Now, but this is something that the white supremacy system understands. You see what I'm saying? They understand. Well, now we programmed these victims to feel that if they get a white woman, they will have it. Like a black cat told me who was graduating from graduate school at Harvard, that marrying a white woman was a part of the Harvard degree. In other words, I'm really in. Do you see what I'm saying? All right. Now, the system has programmed us to think that. Just like it programs a black woman to say, all right, if you have a white man, that really means that you are in.

2:19:08 Nonsense. Do you see what I'm saying? Because white supremacy is going on. And white supremacy will go on and victimize your children and your offsprings irrespective of what you are doing in your bedroom and true. And the white supremacy system further would like the non-white and the black man to think that his phallus or his penis, if you will, is equal to an M16 rifle, which is what he maintains power. Wow. Yeah, that's a lot there. But that's that's yeah, we'll let you,

2:19:48 as Nellie Fleur was saying, we'll let you have, you know, one of our women because that's refined. We can't do it like we did before. You know, we got to, we got to put the winter dressing on it. And as I was saying before, is that there's a drain effect. You have the talent going out. You have the finance going out. You have the genetics going out. And I'm a firm believer, it doesn't come back. It doesn't. I mean, that's what we have to be honest about. It doesn't come back. And that's why I have the fear of ADOS people being

2:20:29 bred out, for lack of a better word. And I would understand why the system would do that because we talk about atonement. Then we can say, well, we don't know who we own. We really don't owe anybody. Oh, no, this will just bleed all the way past reparations. It'll eliminate it. No one left. Well, hold on. It'll be people here, and they'll be black, but they won't have a claim. And this is why you're bringing the non-ADOS black people here. It's like, yeah, let them come here because we can't wake up and there'll be no black people here. That'll be too stark. That'll be too much. But I was looking in New York and Pittsburgh.

2:21:09 They were talking about the amount of black population is dwindling. Like, if you go to New York now, you won't bump into hardly an ADOS person. It's plenty of black people, but they're here, you know, after slavery and Jim Crow. So you have the appearance of, you know, of black people being here, but you don't have the actual ADOS people here. And that's a real concern. I mean, like I said, I may be overconcerned, but that also lets me be. No, I think you're spot on with your concern.

2:21:51 I think the issue is first, this goes back to early MoFax episodes. You got to restore the black family. Without that, there's no hope. Correct. And that's what this is the whole system. They don't want to have that. They don't want to have this system. I mean, that family, this family system, they don't want to have for anyone. No, no, for anyone. Because the goal, we're going to get to the goal of it. But this goes, like I said, it starts with us people. This only starts with us. Next, it'll be just. No, next is already here, Mo. It's already here.

2:22:35 Next is here. Dude, they got us chopping off our kids' body parts. It's here. Yeah. So this is the last clip before we do another break. And this is a throwback show 88. And this is Raymond Hazeburg. And he talks about the brain drain. We talked about the genetic drain. The brain drain that happens in the black community. Third thing, they drain our talent. Those who are able to escape the ghetto get a good education and immediately go to work for Boyne, IBM, Dell, whoever. That drains talent and brain power from that same market.

2:23:18 So if you look at it as a market, we've got a lot of challenges. And so therefore, the small business person got a lot of challenges because he's dealing with people who don't have the money and who won't conserve the money. So, you know, the black consumer, therefore, gets less for their money because you should have double duty dollars as the other communities have. That is, you not only get the shoes that you need, but you also boost to your community. We get the shoes, but not the community.

2:24:00 Yeah. So that clip speaks for itself. We can go ahead and thank some more people unless you got something to say. No, no, no, I'm good. I'm depressed, but I'm good. We're going to end on a high, aren't we, Moe? You're going to end on a high point? You're going to be going to take us to a good place? Maybe. I don't want any money around me. I'd almost rather have a new one than an old 20. That's kind of dumb. But there's something about new money that excites you. Do you like $100 bills? Oh, man. I like old money, too. Oh, most beautiful thing on earth is a $100 bill. I haven't seen a woman as good looking as a $100 bill. There's something about a $100 bill that excites you.

2:30:56 And we continue to see that black males are two to three times more likely to marry outside of the race. If these current trends continue within a generation or two, a majority of the black population in the United States will actually be mixed race. And because they're mixed race, they will more and more assert an identity that's different from that of African Americans. I should probably say at this point that this is not a phenomenon that's only in America. The country I grew up in, the Netherlands, which is

2:31:37 white-bred, white, white, non-immigration country, the entire time I grew up, that changed in the mid-90s. And this is part of clearly part of a world government type system. They just start importing people from brown people from all kinds, mainly Muslims, Turkey, Morocco has been the most recent. But really, it's now 50, more than the cities are more than 50% brown. And the whole country is becoming a mixed race country.

2:32:20 Not the whole country. What do you mean? The top. Yes. Okay. Agreed. Yes. I just think about that. That's the goal. No, that's the goal. Everybody is saying it's not in the top. You're right. You're right. It's going to be a nice, nice golden brown color. You know what I'm saying? Like, get rid of the culture, identity, all of that. You're right. No, it's all gone. It's all going so fast. It happened in 20 years. 20 years. And I was just looking at the 6th of May 2000 that Pim Futan was assassinated.

2:33:03 He was going to win the Dutch elections. And his main thing was stop this immigration. He actually was more concise. He said, stop the Islamification. And he got killed for it. And so it didn't stop. And the whole country went into, you know, just like this frozen state. And they just did it and did it and did it and did it. And it has destroyed that culture. And people may think it's great or it's better or more worldly, but I look at it and I think, no, it's not. It's just, it has destroyed the, and now it's different from black American ADOS culture, but the Dutch culture was a real thing. You know, it's a cult. It's like I said, here's why we're unique.

2:33:48 We're the same way. This is what this beef is about. Like, hold on. You put, you push, you're going too far. Because the same way I feel compassion for Drake, he said some things that were insensitive about the experience of slavery. And that says to me, like, you don't really get it. You, you come and identify with the worst of us, but then you also mock us at the same time. And that's where the, like, the people like, hold on now. We got to stop that right here.

2:34:24 And we're one of the last groups that don't want to mix as far as our culture, our identity. You feel what I'm saying? But what happens is you're taking all the best and the brightest, that are our best and brightest. And you're buying it, basically buying them off. That's what you're doing. I mean, there's no other way to put it. But you know what? They're doing it around the globe. Everybody talks about the Nigerians and how smart, how many doctors there are. Why aren't they in Nigeria? And I don't mean that disrespectfully. I'm saying like they need doctors in Nigeria, but you go and poach

2:35:07 the talent from over there and you bring them here. Same thing in India. You're importing all the tech people from India. Do you know where we are here? Do you know where in the 2000s or early 2000s, you know, where the best doctors in the world were considered to be the best doctors? Where? Iraq. Same thing. We went in, blew it up, brought them in. And they say all about this immigration. They make it seem like the people at the border coming in. You know, that's the face of immigration. Like that's your Ellis Island kind of imagery. That's right. But no, we're bringing the smartest of the smart from Afghanistan, Syria, the smart.

2:35:52 You know what I'm saying? Like they're bringing in a lot of smart people. India, China, like the whole thing. They're bringing the Chinese across the border. Yeah. Yeah. Who? Yeah. The ones that can do something. Right. So you're poaching the whole world for talent and bringing it here, which that's fine. I mean, like, if that's what you, but say that. Don't, don't act like, you know, this is humanitarian. This ain't humanitarian. It's worse. It's worse. They're psyoping everybody into thinking that they're going to attack our country from within. No, they're going to be your fighting forces is what you are. They're soldiers and they're military-age men, but who they're going to be fighting for.

2:36:33 Yeah. The same way they did the guys at the island they brought in. They sent them right back to Europe to fight. The same way they brought, you know, the French brought in the Africans and used them to fight against Germany. Yep. It's the same thing. Like, bro, we're they're building up fighting forces, but it ain't for what you think it's going to be for. No. I'm a firm believer in that. And it's not just military fighting forces. It's technology fighting forces, medicine fighting forces, all kinds of fighting forces. I agree. Yeah. And financial fighting forces. And then they'll settle and they'll make a nice brown consumer culture. Yeah.

2:37:18 This is the reason for the commercials. You know what I'm saying? You see an Arab with a Chinese and a black with a. a white and Hispanic with, you know, whatever. And you keep going. Thank God for this podcast, Mo. We're going to put a stop to it. Yeah, because you know why? Because we're all different for a reason. It ain't an accident. We all bring something to the table. And to make people feel like they shouldn't love themselves. And then there's one beauty standard, which that causes anxiety amongst females. That's the biggest problem with females. That's right. It's one beauty standard. You know,

2:37:59 whatever. I'm just saying, like, that you can't be beautiful in your skin. So now your daughters have anxiety because they don't look a certain way. Well, they look how they look. You know? Yeah. And if they had a culture, then they'll look like their aunts and their mothers and their cousins and they all celebrate how all beautiful they are with this phenotype. This makes logical sense, I think. But I mean, but what you get is self-hate. And I'm going to go and skip the 34. And this is, like I said, this is the one that tipped the scale for making this show. This is the Hodge twins. Oh, yeah. I love them. Now, are you familiar with the Hodge cards? I mean, with their

2:38:40 appearance. Yes. Okay. Now, listen to this next clip. See, that's why I don't date black women. I shouldn't have said that. Man. Wait, you don't think I should have said that? I mean, it's fine. I don't date them neither. At that first one, I was like, I ain't, no, no, I gave y'all a shot. No, I'm going to go to another race. I can make a black kid with a white person if I want to. I don't need your black ass to make one. Wow. Black is the dominant gene. I can get a Korean. That kid's going to come out of Negro. Yep. Don't need you. Ah, okay. Now, these guys are clearly mixed race.

2:39:23 Light-skinned. Yes. They've got white in them. I would say quadroon. No, I mean, because that's offensive. Yeah, I don't know if that's offensive or not, but that's the term. What that means is for people that don't know, you have octoroon, which mulatto is actually a derisive term because it comes from mule. That's what mulatto comes from. So then you like you had half, which is biracial, half black, half white. If you have three white grandparents and one black grandparent, that's quadroom.

2:40:05 If you have seven white grandparents and one black grandparent, that's octorum. These are the terms, you know, saying these are the older terms. Like it might be similar to oriental. So I might be saying might be using the wrong terminology, but for the sake of identifying them on a podcast so you can get an idea. Now, they'll be considered like what, like high yellow compared to red bones. Yes, I would agree. Yes. Yeah. So, but now they're saying the way they look, and like I said, I'm not shaming them. And they're clearly black. I mean, if you want to say, use a term, you know what I'm saying? You can see the Negro features, you know what I'm saying? So you can see that they have, they're not racially ambiguous.

2:40:49 They say I can get with a non-black woman and make a black baby. Yeah. What are we doing here? See, that's what's not fair to the child to put that burden on him to have to live up to being black. You follow what I'm saying now? I'm taking up for the kids here. That's not fair because you chose to go in a direction with your family-making abilities. But then you want to put the black tag on the kids. Now, when if you have a black daughter, but you say you don't deal with black women, see the confusion we're causing here?

2:41:33 Yeah, I got you. And I like those guys. Now I can't like them anymore. You've ruined them. No, you can like them. They just confused. No, no. See, that's what I'm saying. See, we're not going to do what I confuse. You know what I'm saying? Accused of beating up the house late. They're just confused. That's all. The system of white supremacy is confused. It's meant to be confusing. So that's what I don't ever want to beat up on anybody because guess what? They have the right to say what they want to say. Of course they do. Under VGQ. You know what I'm saying? They have the right. But what I'm saying is we have to correct them to say, hold on. Like, that's not right to put that burden on your child. Obviously, you know what I'm saying?

2:42:16 When if they become black women, now you set this standard. standard, you know what I'm saying? Like, and you know, like that's what now you see why I'm so uh uh passionate and irked at the same time by this topic. Like, bro, how are y'all gonna say you can get with a non-black woman and make a black baby? They were very specific with their terminology, and that black girl that you may have that you identified as black don't look black, gonna look less black than you are if you get with a white woman, and you're gonna put the burden of being and identifying as black on them, and

2:42:58 then they're gonna have so many anxiety from you doing that. Hey, Mo, of the 13% that is claimed to be ADOS in America, is what percentage of that is not 100% black, ADOS black. None of us, that's right. That's why we consider watered down. That's why people outside of the United States give us such a hard time because it's like, yeah, you got some, you look back far enough, you know what I'm saying? You're gonna, you're gonna have a and what I mean by that, it might be like for instance, like I said, my grandmother's fair skin and color, like I said, colorism is a whole thing in my family.

2:43:38 I mean, like, it's, it's, it's, it's crazy. Um, but my grandmother's fair skin, but she married a dark-skinned man, my grandfather. Now, my grandfather, um, how it go, my grandfather's father, Big George, he was fair skinned, but he married the darkest woman he could find and made a brown, I'm saying, made, you know what I'm saying? He's more my color, like a dark, like a darker brown. Yeah, so it goes back and forth, back and forth. That's what I'm saying. Like, you look at my wife, she's for you, saying, like, the old light skin, because like with biracials now, the light skin has moved.

2:44:19 What we used to call her light skin ain't light skin no more. She's like a golden brown, but her parents, like I said, are my color and darker. Right. You know what I'm saying? Like, you look at my daughter, she's light like my wife is, but she got four brown or darker grandparents. Yeah. Amazing. But we know we know each other. Like I'm saying, when we see each other, you can see like, oh, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Certain phenotype, like, you know, we identify. Yeah. So we know who is us and who ain't. Okay. And as I said, a little nod to the head. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I got you. All right. So let's go ahead and go to number 35.

2:45:04 But what about the white parent of a black child? I mean, that white parent would have a vested interest in at least trying to deal with their racism so that they will raise children unstarred. You would think that. Now, all of us know, you know, people from interracial homes. I mean, they're not all, you know, brainwashed into being white. No, they can't be brainwashed into being white because they're all non-white. All of them have marks of being non-white products. Either their hair is curled, their lips are broad, their nose are broad, or their, you know, their skin is dark. Black genetic material is always going to leave its mark. And the children are always non-white.

2:45:44 And the children that I have seen, many of these children have more hang-ups about not being white, you see, than black children who may be the same hue. Oh, wow. Yeah. I can believe that. Yeah. And I'm going to do this out of order just for sake of time. And what she just said, talk about those hang-ups. Let's go to 39. I know I'm doing it on the fly. So you can hear some of these hang-ups. Children who have white mothers tend to be more exposed to internalized racism and colorism because of the lack of intersectionality among white feminists. People like, yeah, children with white moms tend to be a little anti-white.

2:46:29 And I was like, shoot, I got a white mom. I will admit that there was some definite anti-blackness stuff when I lived with my white mom. And my grandmother sees my brother's shirt and he's wearing a shirt that looks just like this with Malcolm X and the rifle. And my grandma is like, really? Malcolm X with a gun? So violent. These are the hang-ups. Yeah. And then you wonder why they go to college and they get sucked into these groups. Yeah. Of course.

2:47:11 And trust me, this is a process. of making them cultureless because you don't want to identify with your white mom too much. But at the same time, you know, you go to certain places and you're not black enough. And that causes resentment. You know, and then you, then you, I don't know. Well, then you're kind of stuck in irons. You're in between. You don't belong. You're culturalist. Or you had to overcompensate. And that's, that's really where the rich gets bad at. Well, that's like Drake overcompensating.

2:47:52 Yeah, but in the wrong way, because it's like, bro, you're 37 years old and you got hair clips in your hair and big gold teeth in your mouth. You know what I'm saying? Like, you didn't do that at 27. You didn't do that at 17. We saw what Drake looked like when he was a kid. He was completely different. And Colin Kaepernick, the same thing. Same thing. Yeah. And then he got that fro and everything changed. Right. So that's stinking the comb in it, too. Yeah. And what see, here's the thing. This is what not fair to the white parents. My mom, like Colin Capper said, my mom was racist. His adoptive white mom was racist because she wouldn't let me get corn rolls. My mom wouldn't let me get corn rolls. Because she was like, you know what I'm saying? She was like, no, you're not going out here looking like that.

2:48:37 You know, as soon as I got 18, I got them. You know what I'm saying? But it was like, you know, and got out, went out the house. But no, she was like, no, you're not getting your hair like that. So they, what they perceive as being racist is based in race. Yes. And we're, we're treading it, you know, saying we're treading the third rail here, you know what I'm saying? A black hair. Yeah. Because that's the big sign of blackness. You know what I'm saying? Is that hair texture? You know, like, that's the real like, you can be light. You can say your other features can be, but that hair, that's the telltale sign.

2:49:14 Well, this brings me to another topic I just got to bring up because it's been irking me. It's been irking me because all I see now, I mean, I really, I'm not an ex that much. It's an inbox for me. Then, because what, I mean, all I see is negative, negative, never. I go to my public timeline. What's with the wig snatching? That's gone out of control. Wig snatching? Yes. Black girls, quote unquote, grabbing each other's wigs. Are they fighting and then snatching off? Or is it like a robbery? Well, no. Well, I've seen some robberies too, which are actually kind of funny.

2:49:57 When someone drives by in a motorcycle, but no, but it's, but the fight always starts with the hair. Well, women pull hair. That's the thing. That's that's the, like, that's a, I mean, it's almost like a humiliation ritual. Oh, yeah, it is. Yeah. Well, well, hold on. Women pull hair naturally because that's like a, that's a biggest vulnerability. Yes, but this is different. This is like, I'm going to grab your wig. Boom. Oh, yeah. Now, that, yeah, that is a, is a, yeah, is a disrespect. Yeah. Oof. Which the whole wig thing in itself is a whole problem because, like I said, that's, and you know why I don't talk about that?

2:50:41 Yeah, because you don't want to get your ass kicked. Not even that. Not, and it's that. I mean, well, I mean, because I'll talk about anything. The reason why I don't talk about it is because I can't identify because black men's hair experience is totally different from black women hair experience. You're the closest I got. Right. But I'm going to say it like, because like I say, I got daughters. And I don't think beauty companies have put enough effort into serving their customers because there's a huge market out there to create the products that's necessary to care for black hair.

2:51:22 Oh, they sure talk a big game about it. They do, but they haven't. I mean, we got rovers on Mars allegedly, but we can't figure out black hair. Come on now. What are we doing? Like, honestly, like, think about it. Like, come on, Elon. You know what I'm saying? Figure out black hair. You know what I'm saying? No, but I think that's strategic. But you do find out the hair thing is not exclusive to black women because Indian women straighten their hair. Because I know that I had an Indian female manager. And once she got up to a certain level, here comes the straight hair. She had kinky hair. You know what I'm saying? But to be a. So

2:52:08 this is a phenomenon. phenomenon that it goes beyond black hair and it's more of hair texture. But at the same time, like I said, black men have a different experience because if you notice black men's hair leads, think about it. You know, saying everybody has a fade now. You notice this, yeah, yeah, yeah, like every every every uh uh race of man is going to have some kind of fade is back, yeah. I was watching on TV, I was like, why is everybody getting fades all of us? Like, yeah, so I mean, we kind of lead like, um, yeah,

2:52:50 hey, I didn't want to sidetrack, I just had yeah, no, not it's important, it's important because this is the struggles that that these uh it's part of the overall struggle where the mixed children struggle with it the most, of course. Uh, and I'd like to introduce a term, I think they should be uh identified as racially non-binary. No, I'm and I'm not heart attack serious. Let them decide when they get old enough to decide. I don't think you need to put that burden on them, like I said, with the Hosh twins. Right. Why would you put that burden on your children? You feel what I'm saying?

2:53:31 Maybe they want to be multiracial and marry a multiracial person. Now, I'll tell them who will tell them what they can't be, the system. They'll make it very clear: like, you can't be unless you now you keep at it, you know what I'm saying? And you know, when we get to 15 white grandparents and one black grandparent, we might can talk. And that's the one drop rule, yeah. So, all right, so I just let's see, Tom. All right, so which way should I go? Which way should I go? Which way should I go? All right, you okay? What contributes to these

2:54:10 the confusion of the non racially non-binary children? I learned something new. Dr. Bruce Lipton, have you ever heard of him? No, he has some interesting takes on the subconscious mind. And I think this what may contribute to their identity. I hate the word crisis, but their identity misalignment. That's a better word. So, 37, listen to how he says who you are is shaped. I'd like to discuss the nature about how our life has been programmed and how these programs control our life, our vitality, and our behavior in the world.

2:54:55 Recognize this: if you buy a new computer and you turn it on, the built-in operating system prepares it to work. But if there are no programs in that computer, then the computer can't really do anything. Well, let's now relate this to a child. When the brain develops, it's got an operating system, but there are no programs in it. So, nature created the first seven years of our lives to download behaviors by observing our parents, our siblings, and our community. And in this way, a child can learn all the behavioral characteristics necessary to be a functional member of a family and a functional member of a community.

2:55:35 It all makes sense to me. So, if you're a racially non-binary child, the first seven years will be very determining, especially if those first three, four years, you're only with your mother. And what I mean by only with your mother, if like she cares for you and like not go where you don't go to daycare or anything for that nature, you learn from her and then you go into society and then they tell you something different. Right. Because your mother's not going to, you know, even if you're an ugly baby, you know what I'm saying? Your mom ain't going to never call you ugly. You know what I'm saying? So, and then you go out to society and then society lets you know you're ugly. You know what I'm saying?

2:56:17 Like, I'm being facetious. You know what I'm saying? But that's my point. It's like your mother can never be honest with you. Never, ever. It's not in their DNA code. It's like, what do they say? A face only a mother can love. That's a term, right? Because your mother's always going to see the best in you. Even if you're the worst person in the world, she's going to find something to love about you. So with that said, if she's doing everything to protect you from society, it might be creating a problem down the line. And I'd like to go back. I'm going out of order here, so just bear with me. Okay. Because I want to hear what he said.

2:56:59 Now go to 40 and listen to another VGQ of a non-binary. non-binary, racially non-binary person, a group of people as they speak about being black children with white moms. We live in a predominantly white area in a country that's controlled by whiteness. The information that you receive about black people from society is all just stereotypes. This is what can cause them to begin to see their blackness in a negative light because no one at home is mentioning their blackness and how it's powerful in you. This is a Facebook post from my uncle. You can possibly read if you want. But basically, he was saying that he'll kill any Black Lives Matter and Tifa protester if defund the police were to actually be achieved.

2:57:40 He knows I'm very passionate about Black Lives Matter and have always been attending or organizing protests. So when he says stuff like that, he's directly threatening my life. Commenters were saying things like, oh, I didn't know my culture. I have a white mom and I didn't know my culture. Why would you expect a white woman to teach you about your black culture? Where was your black father? And the issue is massage noir, where some black men, not all, but some black men are only with white women because of the closer proximity to whiteness and they put down their own women and own culture as a result. Us mixed kids need to combat that massage noir as well as the internalized racism. Explain VGQ to me because I think I missed that. VGQ is veteran guaranteed qualification.

2:58:21 So if you're a person, a non-white person in the system white supremacy, you're entitled to say what you say. Right. That's your experience. You're saying, like, like, it's your experience. Yes. Now, we shouldn't have that because we should have the system, but I can't tell another person their experience. I can't tell Drake his experience. I didn't experience his experience. You feel what I'm saying? Does that make sense? Like, that's why I'm not here to combat what these kids are saying. Because I didn't live their experience. So they're entitled to however they felt about it.

2:59:02 Yes. And but listen to them. It's a real struggle. I want people to really all people, all black people, quote unquote, white people, quote unquote. Yeah, I'm saying it like that because we're not black. We're not white. And I found that out by working in a multinational corporation. But you see, Indian people darker than you and they don't identify as black. So it's like, hold on, wouldn't they be black if we're going off color? Because this thing don't exist. Yeah. It don't exist and it shouldn't exist. It's stupid. It's dumb. But it does have consequences as you hear these children. And the reason why I took notice is like my daughters, they have

2:59:49 to use that term, biracial friends. And it's a real struggle for them. I just sit around listening. Somehow I'm like in earshot and just listen. No, I'm pretty sure a lot of this episode came from your own experience by just observing your kids. Yeah. I can hear that. And experiencing colorism amongst your children. Yeah. Like they didn't pick that up from us, but I've seen colorism amongst my kids. Really? Yeah, they have different grades of hair, different colors of skin. Yeah.

3:00:32 When they were younger, they were saying not that they're older. This is like, I'm like, where'd you get that from? Where'd you pick that up from? Most times television. I'm sure. Because you see most of the lead roles on Disney shows is, oh, it's Zendaya. And people like that. You know, that's the blackness they had to identify with. And it's like, and but, and they, I think it's how you pronounce her name. She, when she looks at it, she gets amongst a majority of black people. She may feel uncomfortable. Because now she's the odd person now. And it's very, I'm telling you, this is where people get pissed off of me.

3:01:15 Black people can be cruel to black people. Very cruel. Of course. I mean, that's black people. Very cruel. I'm just going to keep it. Self-hate is at an all-time high. Very cruel. Blackie. You know what I'm saying? You get a bunch of dark-skinned people with one light-skinned. Are we going to jump on her? Yeah. Look at her light-skinned. Look at her, like that, like this. Half-white, blah, blah, blah. You know what I'm saying? You get a bunch of light-skinned people with a dark-skinned person. Blackie. You know what I'm saying? Darky. Yeah. But where they learn that from?

3:01:57 From the system. I'm telling you. you know what I'm saying? It's internalized. These kids are telling you, listen to them. And you wonder why they're on college campuses doing what they're doing because they are hurting, man. I'm telling you. And I feel for them because I know, like I said, I know what it was like just having black family. Like, you just like the grays or you're saying whatever the other family is. You know what I'm saying? Like, what? What do you mean? The demoralizing effect. I don't know if you ever went through that with your family, the two sides, to tell you like the other side. No, not like that at all. Yeah, you're lucky. You're very lucky.

3:02:37 You know what I'm saying? And it's like, yeah. My issue was education. So I was a dropout. So we have it's hang-ups, right? That's that stuff sticks with you. Sure. Sure. I turned out okay. No, I'm just saying it sticks with you because you don't think, you know what I'm saying? Like, am I last in? You start to question yourself. You know, that's why I got supreme confidence now. Because, like, nah, you can't tear me down. Can't nothing tear me down. I love myself. And I wish everybody would love themselves. And if they did, we wouldn't have this screwed up world we got.

3:03:19 I'm sorry. It's okay, Moe. I like it. I'm loving hearing you pour your heart out. All right. So going back to Bruce Lipton, because I think you said you wanted to like, you know what I'm saying? Hey, here's some good news. Yeah. If we fix that, all the bad stuff that we picked up at zero through seven, that's how we, you know, saying you can reprogram your mind. 38. Well, however, since we are downloading the programs by observing other people, what happens if we download programs from our parents or our family or siblings that are not very positive programs, that are actually very negative programs that have an adverse effect on our health?

3:04:03 Well, it turns out science has revealed that during the first seven years of our life, our brain is designed to download programs just by observing other people. It's a state of hypnosis, which is a characteristic of a brain frequency called theta, which is just below consciousness. The first seven years of a child's life is installing the programs that when consciousness kicks in at around age seven, consciousness has use of programs to create the behavior in their relationships, in their family, community, etc. We now know about 70% of those programs that we download from others are negative and disempowering and even self-sabotaging.

3:04:43 And as we go through our life, you say, well, where are these programs? I say, well, they're in the subconscious mind. Yeah. That's where you fix it at. And we go back to what we talked about before the last show. Do everything constructive. All your words could be constructed. Words matter. Big time. That's why I'm going to push back against that notion. I know people get upset with me when I say that, but words. As a child, you remember words more than you do butt whoopies. Yes, I agree. So this word, you know, like we've went, I think that's the effect of social media.

3:05:25 And like, oh, you just say what you want to say. If you don't like it, that's your problem kind of thing. You know what I'm saying? No, like it's a human on the other side, maybe. You know what I'm saying? But it's a human on the other side that comment. Be constructive, people. Yes. Be constructive. All right. I don't know what to do with these last two clips. This is what I think their goal is 43 and 44. You could play 43. I think this is the ultimate goal. Does having parents with diverse backgrounds make you smarter? A new study in the journal Nature shows height and intelligence are linked to greater genetic diversity.

3:06:09 Our Dr. David Agus is in Los Angeles. David, good morning. Morning, Charlie. Are you excited by this story? Yeah, it's a very interesting study because they looked at across hundreds of studies, so 350,000 people, and they put them into two buckets. They looked at the genetics of the parents. And when they were similar, they put them into one bucket. And when they were dissimilar, another bucket. And then they looked at their children, their offspring. And what they noted is that when parents were similar genetically, the children were slightly shorter and did slightly worse on some of the cognitive function studies. So a difference. Yet on all the health benefits or the health effects, there was really no effect. Cholesterol, heart disease, diabetes, no dramatic difference between the two groups. So different than we thought.

3:06:53 No, so it's gene split. splicing. Okay. Yeah. Hybrid vigor, I think, is the term. They were saying when they mix stuff up, they were saying that the need, they want to survive, it creates the stronger, which is fine. Like I said, if that's the goal, I'm not knocking that. I'm saying we got to get rid of the system if we're going to do that. Can't have both. All right, I'm going to play 44. I want to hear the second part of this. Why is that, Dr. Agar? Exactly. Well, it's certainly interesting. As you think about it, evolution, you know, Darwin described this 200 years ago, selects out for who has better children and for who does functions that were necessary over the last million years.

3:07:34 Well, dominantly, that's hunting. So cognitive function that is finding your way back from hunting. And also taller means you could run quicker and get away from prey. And those were the facts that were actually selected for. Diseases like heart disease, diabetes, et cetera, happened after childbearing age. So we didn't actually select for them through evolution. It's a pretty interesting study that tells us a lot because this is really the first couple generations where people of different backgrounds are having children. And if this happens in one generation, children are 1.2 centimeters shorter. Think of it if this continues to happen. Maybe this is why they're doing all that AI stuff.

3:08:13 They know this is coming. They know what's going to happen. But you're going to have to start engineering people even differently. And you're importing people from all around the world to get genetic, get genetic diversity. Yeah. Well, you've given me a lot to think about, Mo. Thank you for listening, Adam. No, I mean, it's been all over the emotional map, you know, because so much comes into play. And I've been around for a few years and still it's like, okay, so you got this part to think about, that part to think about.

3:08:53 And obviously, I don't have the same experience in life that you do, but then again, very different. And you don't have my experience. But this, what you've talked about today is just not discussed. So I really appreciate you doing that. And I think you just laid it all out. And I think that's been really helpful. And my only goal is this, is to be constructive. And hopefully people hear this conversation. If you're interacting with people, consider their feelings. If you are choosing to have a family, understand how cruel the world can be. Take that into consideration.

3:09:38 And finally, love yourself enough that you try to find somebody like yourself. And like I said, that doesn't have to be based on color. You know what I'm saying? Or whatever, whatever your morals are, love yourself enough where you're like, you know what? I'm great. I want somebody just like me. Well, it took me a couple tries. I found somebody just like me. And it turns out she's half Mexican. Ah, what can I do? What can I do? There you go. You say it like this. Hey, Mo, brother, thank you so much. Another one in the can. I really love doing this show. I can't wait to see what we have for the next two ones. Thank you, Adam. And as I always say, pay attention to everything and the truth will reveal itself.

3:10:20 And we'll be back next time. Mo Facts with Adam Curry, episode number 99. You will not want to miss it. See you soon, everybody. It's a zoo little sound. Dark is the midnight hour. Right as the morning sun, give a fuck about your complexion. I know what the germ has done. Sneak. Sneaking through the back window. I'm a good field, nigga. I made a flower for you by a kind just to chill with you. You know, I go to distance. You know, I'm tipped down, even if that's a listen. Cover your ears. He's about to mention.

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3:12:32 Like two tides, LL, you lose two times. If you don't see your beautiful in your complexion, it ain't complex to put it in context. Find an air beneath the kite, uh, that's the context. Yeah, baby, I'm conscious. Ain't no contest. If you like it, I love it. All your earth tones have been blessed. Ain't no stress, jiggaboos wanna be. I ain't talking J, I ain't talking B. I'm talking days we got school, watching movie screens. And spike your self-esteem, the new James Bond gon' be black as me. Black as brown, hazelnut, cinnamon, black tea. And it's all beautiful to me. Call your brothers magnificent, call all the sisters queens. We all on the same team. Blues and pyrus, no colors ain't a thing.