76: Third Rail

00:21 Mo Facts with Adam Curry for February 16th, 2022. It's episode number 76. Oh man, I've been looking forward to this one. Has everybody else? I'm Adam Curry coming to you from the heart of the Texas Hill Country, and it's time once again to spin the wheel of topics from here to Northern Virginia. Say hello to my friend on the other end. Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Mo Facts. How you doing, Adam? Well, I'm always happy to talk to you. Physically, I've been better. You know, I've been battling the Rona for a week. But I've heard. Yeah. Yeah. Other than that,

00:59 it's about time. That's got to be really careful, you know, because if I die, then people are like, ha, see, see, I told you, hey, you didn't believe it. No, that would just be no good. I can't give anyone that satisfaction. And if you die, the weekend it burns you. Hey, everybody. I'm just smiling the whole time. Yeah, fantastic. Everything good on your end, Mo? Everything is wonderful. Everything is wonderful. Hey, how did that Kwame panel go? It went great. Now, I went looking for it. Is that not recorded? Can I not get a playback or is that only live?

01:40 That was live. And once you record it, it goes live. And then you can go back and watch it on what we call the replay on the YouTube side. Yeah, I looked for that, though. I couldn't find it. I don't know what I'm doing. Oh, well. Don't worry about it. Anyway. Tell people out, but tell people what it was. Tell people what it was. Dirty Laundry. It was value is what it was. Dirty Laundry Media from YouTube. Go look him up. He contacted me and said, hey, you want to be on a panel with Kwame Brown? And I'm like, hell yeah. Wait, wait, no. No, you went, let me check my calendar. Hold on a sec. I did not. Okay. No, because I try to make any requests.

02:22 You know what I'm saying? So if anybody sends me a, you know, you want to do this, but it was great for the profile of me and the show. So went there, had a great conversation around relationships and black families. And yeah, you can check it out over there on YouTube somewhere. We'll figure out how to get to you. And who else was on this panel? It was Kwame Brown, me, Dirty Laundry Media, and he had a couple guests come in and out during the conversation. Cool. And you were all remote, though. Yes. Okay. Oh, excellent. How many people viewed it? I'm not sure. I didn't go back and check the numbers yet. Been super busy, but...

03:04 Look at you, Mo. I love seeing this. This gives me the biggest joy of all. It's like seeing an entrepreneur bounce out of the gate. Excellent. Value is coming from all ways. The facts family is running on all cylinders. Yeah. So, and before we get in the bag, I just want to say one quick thing. The biggest thing about this is people contacted us about the last show. Oh, my goodness. I didn't realize I was mad. Yeah. Yeah. So it was all worth it. Oh, I mean, because I remember at the end, they were talking about it.

03:40 And I think even after the show, you and I talked for a few minutes. And you said, well, if it helps even one person, dude, the amount of email, I mean, I know we got a lot of people copied us both on it, but I got a couple, I think, probably forwarded to you. But it must have been like 10, 12, 15, 20 people, all with varying versions of it, you know? Like, I didn't really understand what was going on. And it gave me a moment to reflect. And I was, and I tried to explain that. Well, I was able to explain it to Tina. I said, this was something, this was like our last episode. This was for men, you know, and we were doing something important for men and it hit home.

04:21 It's that silent killer, man, that, you know, that harboring those feelings. You don't feel like you can talk to anybody about it. So I'm glad it could help. And it was, women came, said they didn't realize they were mad as well. And anger is like that silent deadly killer. But with that said, I guess I'll crank it up. We got a full bag. So if you want to spin that wheel. You bet. Here we go. Full bag, he says. Back up. Don't want to get hurt. There's that wheel of topics. Round and around it goes where it stops. No one knows. Moe's know, of course, because he put something great for us together again. The topic for Mo Facts, episode number 76, is.

05:25 that time again. So just to let people know that or new to this station, we do these shows periodically where we take three, four, five topics. Today I got four, and we're going to just cover them like short segments. So I guess we can go jump right into the first one and clip number two. Hello, hello, hello, and welcome to the new. Yes, I am back. Welcome back, Whoopi Goldberg. On Monday, the longtime co-host returned to the show following a two-week suspension over comments she made about the Holocaust on January 31st episode. And although she didn't directly discuss the controversy, Whoopi did tell the cameras that we're going to keep having tough conversations.

06:07 And in part, because this is what we've been hired to do. And it's not always pretty, as I said, and it's not always as other people would like to hear. But it is an honor to sit at this table and be able to have these conversations because they're important. They're important to us as a nation and to us more so as a human entity. Now, to refresh your memory, Whoopi received major backlash and criticism on social media over her controversial comments, which she later apologized for on Twitter and on the show prior to being suspended by ABC News president Kim Godwin.

06:46 Now, words matter, and mine are no exception. I regret my comments, as I said, and I stand corrected. I also stand with the Jewish people as they know, and y'all know, because I've always done that. And after reflecting on her suspension from the show, Whoopi took time to thank everyone who reached out to her while she was away. I want to thank everybody who reached out while I was away. And I'm telling you, people reached out from places that made me go, wait, wait, what? Really? Okay. And it was amazing. And I listened to everything everybody had to say. And I was very grateful. And I hope it keeps all the important conversations happening.

07:26 Oh, yeah. Ah, this is good. You know, I think that this is, yeah, this is good to talk about this stuff. I want to know exactly what you think about all this. Where are you going to get exactly what I think? As always, because this is one of those topics where you can't be honest about on the mainstream media. And this is not going to get into per se what Whippy said and why it was wrong. I'll touch on that, but I want to cover how the media, how she was handled in the media, because we always talk about it. You mean when she was away? Yes, yes. When she was away.

08:07 How enlightened and delightful it was to be suspended. You know, she couldn't even, that goes to show you that she couldn't even show that she was maybe angry or felt some kind of way about being suspended. She had to act like it was a total refresher, like being at a spa. It was like, yeah, it was a total joyous occasion. Yeah. So it was a religious experience, man. Right. So we'll talk about what she said and where she went wrong and why she got the, but we're not going to go like normally, and I'm not going to say normally, 99% of the time, we usually go back and get the full clip and break it down that way.

08:48 But like I said, I want to get into the, you know what I'm saying, the media narrative around it and also talk about the relationship between black people and Jewish people. So this may be the last show. That's the third rail. No, seriously, that's the third rail, right? It is. I say that in jest, but this may be, you know, because you're not allowed to talk about it. And so we're going to talk about why you're not allowed to talk about it. Yeah. I mean, more than what she said. I know black podcasters who won't talk about it. Well, you know, on podcasters. You met one now, so that will talk about it. And that's the point of it. Being a newly free man talking, well, I've always been a free man talking, but that there's no

09:35 nothing that's not going to be. You only answer to your creator. That's it. I mean, before, you know, they could try to get you up out of the job situation, but that's no longer hanging over my head. But yeah, so we can really talk about everything now. And that's the cool thing about being independent. So let's just go ahead. ahead and get into clip number three. Whoopi Goldberg has been suspended from the view for two weeks after making comments about the Holocaust during Monday's show, where she said the Holocaust is not about race, adding that it was about two groups of white people. So, as we mentioned in yesterday's show, Whoopi apologized on Tuesday's episode after taking to Twitter on Monday night.

10:20 I said something that I feel a responsibility for not leaving unexamined because my words upset so many people, which was never my intention. And I understand why now. And for that, I am deeply, deeply grateful because the information I got was really helpful and helped me understand some different things. And while discussing how a Tennessee school board unanimously voted to remove a graphic novel about the Holocaust, I said that the Holocaust wasn't about race and it was instead about man's inhumanity to man. But it is indeed about race because Hitler and the Nazis considered Jews to be an inferior race.

11:02 Now, words matter, and mine are no exception. I regret my comments, as I said, and I stand corrected. I also stand with the Jewish people as they know, and y'all know because I've always done that. So, when I became aware of this controversy, all I knew was, and I know that from our conversations, is Rutro that's the third rail. And I knew that was much more third rail than I think any of my friends know it. Except the Jewish ones, except the Jewish ones. But they still don't understand exactly how it's the third rail for Ados, for black Americans.

11:46 Well, hopefully, after this segment, it'll be a little bit clearer. So, I got to make this crystal clear first. Saying Jewish is like saying black in this aspect of it. Sure. There's multiple different variations of Jewish people. You have Messianic Jews, you have anti-Zionist Jews, you have, you know what I'm saying? You have just the same thing with Black. You have generalization. Yeah, you have Foundation, Black, you have the Ados, you have Hotep. So, yeah, you got the Hotep. So, this doesn't represent all Jews or Jewish people. This represents the people that can make her come out and apologize.

12:29 This is what we're talking about, and it has that kind of power over what can be said and what can't be said. Now, I'm going to take this time to explain where Whoopi messed up at and why it was taken the way it was from my perspective. When she lumped Jewish people in with white people, that ruins the whole narrative. Yeah. Because now, how it works in the media, and I got to keep stressing this in the media. When you say Jewish, it's kind of like we're white, but not white. At the same time, you know, they can't kind of like passing. My Jewish friends do not consider themselves white.

13:11 They don't. If I ask them, they say, No, we're not white. We're Jewish. It's that cut and dry. But that's why I said similar to passing. Exactly. Because in when you operate in day to day, you can move about without feeling that, you know, it's called shapeshifting, Mo. It's called shapeshifting. Just kidding. Well, what it is, is that when they go into business meetings or whatever, they can be closeted. Now, here's my question: is it a race? Is it religion? You know, because it's a weird thing because you had this thing called secular Jews or secular Jewish people where they don't adhere to anything religious, but they're Jewish by lineage.

13:58 So you have that one thing. But like I said, Whoopi, where she messed up at by lumping them together, when people are critical of white people, quote unquote, that lumps them in. It's like, no, no, no, no. My protective cape around me, you took that off. And that's why they kept saying, you sure you want to do this? And what she was saying was, if it was about race, how we look at race of color, the social, I'm saying the, what do they call it? The social construct, I believe, what they call it, of race. Yeah. It was two white groups against each other. That's, yeah, that's exactly what she said. Yeah. So that's where she messed up at because when people are critical of white people, you know what I'm saying?

14:38 The Jewish people can't, and the media can't separate themselves. It doesn't fit in with the violent white supremac extremists who want to kill Jews. You see, really. Right. Like Charlottesville, Charlottesville. Correct. So we're going to get into the second part of this clip, and then after that, we'll get into some history of the relationship. Now, despite her apology, ABC News President Kim Godwin announced Whoopee's suspension on Tuesday night, saying this in a statement. Effective immediately, I am suspending Whoopi Goldberg for two weeks for her wrong and hurtful comments. While Whoopee has apologized, I've asked her to take time to reflect and learn about the impact of her comments.

15:17 The entire ABC news organization stands in solidarity with our Jewish colleagues, friends, family, and communities. Yeah, meanwhile, former co-host Megan McCain weighed in on Whoopee's comments, writing on Twitter: I hate commenting on my old employer because I have moved in every way a person can move on. That being said, I am an activist against anti-Semitism, and it is a big part of my life. The growing threat is real and virulent and everywhere. I am heartbroken about what was said. Yeah, and here's how The View addressed Whoopi's absence today. Take a look. Good morning, and welcome to Review. You all saw the news. Whoopee will be back here in two weeks. Okay. Tara Setmeyer has returned to guest co-host.

16:00 So let's get to hot topics, ladies, shall we? Yeah, it's muddy waters. It's an ikey. I think at the end of the day, we have to educate to elevate. Those are the two words that come to mind: educate to elevate. Whoopee's been around for a long time. I could appreciate that she was humble about it. You know, the initial thing is kind of like a wrong and strong, you know, but I think it's also generational. And like she mentioned, living in black skin is just a different experience. It doesn't negate the fact that, you know, it's okay to educate ourselves about other culture. We want that as black people. Learn about our plight. Is it weird that I'm excited about this episode?

16:40 I'm not quite sure what it is. It's like no, no, it's because we love dancing on the third reel. The both of us. And it's not to be, you know, incendiary or just, you know, to provoke shock. No, and nobody else wants to talk about it. That's the problem. Yes. Thank you. That's exactly why we do this. And Malcolm X commanded us to do that. So hello. We're just doing what we're told. Yes. I did want to say that one of our really good friends, she's a public school teacher, high school AP in Austin. And she's, you know, we're always laughing because, you know, hey, you are our favorite libtard. And she's like, yes, I am.

17:25 And, you know, and but she's so open and so willing to discuss. And she's Jewish. And so the only thing I want to say is in the past, not just the past 24 months and of the pandemic, but also through most of the Trump presidency, she has been truly terrified of anti-Semitism and their coming to get all the Jews. And I mean, like, seriously, beyond like, like into hysterics. I've even talked her down a couple times. It's the same programming that we have some black people go through. So I just want to say, although not Jewish myself, that I have paid very close attention to when friends of mine talk like that, I want to know.

18:12 And so I've had a lot of conversation. And so just that fear, that terror. And so, you know, just to make it seem like we've done some homework on all sides, you have to humanize everybody, of course, in the whole conversation. Right. And like I said, this is about more about how it plays out in the media and why certain people can't say there are certain things. And if you even notice, Joy Behar was really short with not being supportive. So I think this will be a good time to get into the strained relationship between black and Jewish Americans.

18:51 Yes. The story of the relationship between the Jewish and black communities in America is complex with periods of division, harmony, hostility, suspicion, and apathy. What are the historical roots of both the cooperation and conflict we see between these two communities today? And how do we create a vision for a brighter future? In the late 18th and early 19th centuries, Jewish opinions on slavery were in line with their white neighbors. As the politics of the U.S. shifted, Northern Jews increasingly opposed slavery, while Southern Jews continued to be sympathetic to slave ownership, though there were notable exceptions. These included Rabbi David Einhorn, who in 1861 gave an anti-slavery sermon.

19:33 His congregation erupted in anger, and the rabbi was forced to flee to the North. In the early 20th century, the Jewish community's demographics and opinions began to shift. Jews migrating from hostile countries. countries settled in northeastern American cities where they encountered black Southerners fleeing Jim Crow laws and other forms of extreme racism. Coming from anti-Semitic Europe, many Jews recognized and drew attention to the parallels in the black and Jewish experience. Some Yiddish newspapers referred to violent attacks on black Americans, like the Tulsa massacre, as pogroms. However, even with these positive developments, division remained between black and Jewish Americans.

20:11 Both groups were lightning rods for other people's hatred. And many Jews who aspired to assimilate or just make a living were afraid of associating too much with a group so openly mistreated. So, where's this from, Mo? This is from Unpacked on YouTube. So, I figured I'll use anything YouTube. So, it'll be government approved. Right. It's stamped as safe. But that is the thing that there has been this relationship between good, I mean, bad in the sense of slavery. When you want to talk about there was a significant amount of percentage of

20:56 plantations owned by Jewish Americans. And then when you go north, you had what we talked about in the last show, these race riots. That was part of the clash as well. Right, right. Because they're all competing for the same resources. And you also had where this distrust, not distrust, but you now, but it was seen as bad as to associate with, as I heard in that clip, literally because of where the black man stood. And then it was distrust on the other side because it's like, are you only dealing with us because we share the same problems?

21:39 But once you assimilate, then you're saying you're going to turn your back on us. So that's where the distrust comes in at between this strange relationship. So I think this is, I mean, this, we have five parts to this clip. So I think they did a really good job to unpack of capturing what it's like between it. And we can see some of the things that still exist to this day. So if you want to go ahead and get into number six, we can. This distance remained until the 1930s, when the rise of the Nazi Party in Germany paralleled an increase in anti-Semitism in the U.S. Fearful and in need of allies, Jewish Americans sought support, and the black community was one of the few to join their cause.

22:20 Black and Jewish organizations began working together to challenge employment and housing discrimination, combat racial and religious violence, and fight for inclusion in social and professional spheres. In the years following the Second World War, the bond between the communities grew. Jews made up at least 30% of non-black freedom riders, risking arrest and violence for black solidarity. Jewish lawyers battled Jim Crow laws, while black organizations like the NAACP, whose founders included Jews, supported the creation of the state of Israel. Black and Jewish Americans, along with other minorities, led the effort to desegregate medical associations, southern universities, businesses, and community activities while working to introduce social programs for the benefit of all members of society.

23:06 While Southern Jewish support for segregation dwindled, the community was still torn over how to respond. Southern Jews faced pressure from their northern counterparts to condemn segregation, but they feared that making official statements against segregation would result in retribution from their white neighbors. Others argued that the community need not make official statements about a topic that didn't directly relate to the Jewish community. As a result, some Southern Jewish institutions withdrew their support for national Jewish organizations that came out publicly against segregation. Huh, I didn't know. You didn't hear about this divide. No, no, at all.

23:43 And for people that don't know what's going on, the narrative is black people are hand in hand with Jewish people and they share the same plight and they're all on the same on the same on board with the same struggle. One thing is the NAACP. But we pointed out in the show, I have, you know what I'm saying? And I guess you agree because I've laid it out so clear that even the groups like NAACP were started or ran by Jewish people. And what it does is this is, and from my perspective,

24:21 black people are the bottom. And so anytime the bottom can be raised up and given certain privileges, everybody above that is going to receive a bump. It's kind of like that all ties with all boats. Right. So if you raise black people up, then we're going to enjoy that. that. And you can't treat us any worse than black people. So, if black people can be treated humanely, then that benefits Jewish Americans. That's kind of how the relationship goes. But the problem is, if we were hand in hand, as is kind of illustrated here, why don't you see the same amount of success? Why don't you see the same amount of even just like

25:04 the loyalty being reciprocated? Why don't you see that? Why did you see Joy Behar and go into the office and say, No, you can't fire me? You can't suspend Whoopi. She's an ally. Because if the shoe was on the other foot, and I have proof of this, but we're going to, if the shoe was on the other foot, Whoopi would go in the office and say, No, you can't suspend Joy. She's an ally. And I think that's probably also who Whoopi is. And Joy Behart just seems like a two-faced person, regardless. But I'm, yeah, I mean, I think that she chose the job and she doesn't feel like she has the power to do that in the situation.

25:51 This is a reoccurring thing where it's not the love is not reciprocated. Sure. So that's what causes the distrust. And then they also do this weird thing where even in this package that we have here, it was the North people that were good and South people that were bad. Well, of course, yes. But you see the same thing here. So that's so. This is really just a subplot of the overall North-South racial divide. Correct. Yeah. So, I mean, that's that's the thing. It's just well, that's good to know. I mean, you don't, you don't feel the love coming back. You don't feel the love coming back.

26:32 And but that started a long time ago, this love not coming back. It seems like it's always been that way. Well, I'll say this from my studies, and I could be wrong, you know what I'm saying? But from my understanding and my studies and my living this experience, basically, Jewish people were the boolay for black people before they created the bullet. Seriously, they would say, you know, we'll keep them in line and that kind of thing. You know what I'm saying? And that's kind of how they're gaining their way up the ladder. Well, okay. So, my the only experience I have with that, which is a which would immediately be deemed an anti-Semitic trope,

27:15 but we both agree we're going to dance on the rail. But I literally saw in the music industry this dynamic play out all the time, particularly with black artists, right up to Michael Jackson, by the way. I know firsthand, like, shut up, you can't go to the bathroom, stay in the limo. And that's the thing, that's where it really plays out is in the entertainment segment. Yes, in entertainment, which is what we're dealing with with Whoopi. That's exactly it. That's why I said let's focus on the media and we can bring in entertainment as well. Because anytime, I'll give you an example. When Bill Maher gets into trouble with black people, he'll bring a black person on.

27:57 But anytime a black person gets in trouble with saying anything anti-Semitic, you can't find anybody around to come along and put their arm around and say, he's cool, he's cool. And then it even goes in further than that, because if you have any association with anybody deemed problematic, you're done, i.e., Farrakhan. Farrakhan is the litmus test to say, oh, well, you've, it could be simple as, oh, you took a picture with Farrakhan with your arm around him. You know what I'm saying? Apologize now. Right. Or you, or you won't be able to work in this town kind of thing. And I'm just saying, I'm channeling what is felt and seen. Now, I'll say this:

28:41 I have no problem with the music industry. The reason why is if you claim yourself a man, a fully autonomous man, when you sign a contract, you should know what's in that contract. Yep. So I don't, I don't know, nobody can get you. Oh, I got God. No, you didn't get God. You didn't read. You know, so you can't have it both ways. You can't, and that's going to be a forewarning. That's going to be a weaved into this whole episode, even though it's a potluck that you can't say I'm an autonomous person and then say somebody got you. Yeah. You feel what I'm saying? Either don't do business with that person or know what you're signing on to do business with.

29:21 But this is as old as the music business as today's modern music business itself. You know, I'm going back to here, son, here's a Cadillac. Well, you walk me right into it, but Cadillac records. Records is a great. Have you ever seen that movie? Of course. Okay, so Cadillac Records. So the whole thing there is they took payment in other forms, Cadillac, clothes, those kind of things, and then felt like they were done wrong. It's like, no, you shouldn't know what was in your contract. So for myself, I always take the Holland Wolf approach.

29:56 Pay me what you owe me. You know what I'm saying? That's all I want. You know what I'm saying? I don't want anything else but what you owe me because there may be some streams attached that comes along with that down the line. So for people who don't know, Holland Wolf, you know what I'm saying? He was very independent in that way in that movie where he wouldn't take cars or clothes or nothing like that. He was just like, whatever you owe me, pay me. And that's it. And that's kind of how I actually take part of that when I do business as well. It's like, I don't want anything other than what we agreed upon. But to be fair, that was all learning ground. So the people who were on the other side of the equation, they have centuries of, if not more, of trade and business and understanding.

30:41 And at that time, the talented black artists didn't have that. And so, you know, the only way to learn sometimes is to go through the, is to go through the crap now that people can't look back and say, hmm, hold on a second. What can I learn from this? That's really inexcusable. But there's a lot who would completely get it out of it. And I think most of today's modern hip hoppers, I think they control a lot more than it used to be. No. No, Kanye doesn't. No, because he even said it. Remember, he said, I don't know if you remember, but he said, they signed me to a deal on the 256 page of the contract.

31:21 Right. You know what I'm saying? I know, I understand, but moving for, he's broken away from that now, hasn't he? Yes. But I mean, the fact that he got, I'm saying, but that until he got got in his mind, I'm going to say in his mind. And that's why I appreciate Kanye because he understands I signed the contract. He didn't blame anybody. But since we're on entertainment, let me just bring up one point. And the Super Bowl, since that's the timely thing. Yes. Yeah, please. I saw it. So with the Super Bowl, I'm going to say it from this side. Notice conservatives, they got kind of been out of shape about the Super Bowl, saying it was, I've heard terms like pornographic,

32:06 it was racial baiting, that kind of thing. They need the halftime show specifically. The halftime show specifically. Excuse me. Let me for people that, you know what I'm saying, not going on about the Super Bowl, but that was a big deal. Let me fill people in. So the Super Bowl halftime show was supposed to be a form of reparations or atonement for the ill doings of the NFL. Yeah, this is why they hired Jay-Z's Rockefeller to do the halftime shows. And see, we love black people. Exactly. But when it comes out and says, oh, when people come out and are critical of it, they don't take it to the record labels. They didn't go to Jimmy Ive. You see what I'm saying? They didn't go to Interscope. No. It's like, oh, it's Dr.

32:49 J. It's like, so why would you argue and fight and blame the workers? Because it's all Snoop and Dre and all in work. They're workers. I mean, people can get upset about it or not. And Jay-Z was just a glorified event planner. That's it. Yeah. They weren't going to let you get any ownership. But my point is, the slings and arrows stop with the workers. It never goes to the, they never blame the source. I think his name is Summoner Redfield. You know, Jimmy Ive, all these people, they never get any blame for the problematic or the perceived problematic nature of hip-hop.

33:30 It always stops at the arts, but like, if you stop it at the funding, then you wouldn't have these people. Right. And so I just guess that's a great illustration of Jimmy Iveen reaps all the benefits, but he gets none of the blame because he lets his workers take the blame. Right. But Dre does did get a piece of ownership in that, in that whole Apple deal and everything with Beats. No, he did, but I'm just saying he was out there working. What I mean by worker is on the stage. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? That part of it. I didn't hear anybody that was critical of the Super Bowl. No, of course not. Take it to the top. Well, you also would never just hear that in the mainstream narrative.

34:14 That's just not going to be done. So even if someone could, because it's career suicide, they know it. So it's like we're convenient. Like we're cannon fodder at the end of the day. That's how it's perceived. Hey, listen, listen. listen, listen. We gave you Eminem. Can't you be happy? You got a white guy. All right. Yeah, do something with him. Take a knee too. He was like, he was like, all right, Eminem. You're the only one that can take a knee. All right. That kind of thing. What was interesting is that Tina and I were watching, and Tina's like, oh, she's singing along. You know, she's a white girl, although she's half Mexican. And she's like, yeah, what a great halftime show. And then later, she's like, looking at Twitter, she's like, what is everyone bitching about?

34:59 What happened here? She didn't. She just loved it. She thought it was a great show. She enjoyed it thoroughly. It was a great production, but I have, like I said, that'll be another show for another day. I don't want to, I don't want to tarry too long, but all right. It's just the fact that one, and I'm going to show you how this is once again, I don't blame anybody that whatever you sign on a contract with is what you get. Whatever deal you make, that's what you get. I don't blame anybody for anything, but I want to just show how power works. Yeah. There's no way Jewish Americans would see Beth Mittler, you know what I'm saying,

35:41 performing at the Super Bowl halftime show as a win racially. It's like, oh, we got, we got the halftime. Right. No, they would want, it's like, okay, we need about three owners now, you know what I'm saying? Right. Owner spots, and then we can call it even. But, but, so it's all about what you take. And maybe, maybe one or two more coaching spots. That would be kind of even I know that. Right. Because we, we want, we want tangibles. We want something, not some performative something that just looks, you know, looks good on the surface. We want actual institutional change. So I say all that to say, pay attention. You know, what emulate the greats, as Rick Ross would say, you know, you copy what works.

36:22 If that's how power is achieved and maintained, learn from it. I don't, like I said, I'm not a hater. I don't hate anything as far as that. You know, if it's a win, it's a win. But I'm just saying to the people that allow themselves to be cannon fodder, stop being cannon fodder. So I guess we kind of hung on that one a little long. So I guess we can go and jump into number seven. The growing northern Jewish population did not share the concerns of their southern counterparts. Iconic photos of Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heschel marching alongside the Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. encapsulates the best of the black-Jewish relationship at the time, often called the golden period between the two communities.

37:03 Rabbi Joachim Prince, who devoted much of his life to the American civil rights movement, spoke just before MLK took the podium in D.C. to deliver his famous I Have a Dream speech. Black and Jewish Americans continued the fight for civil rights during the 1964 Freedom Summer Project in Mississippi, where Jewish activists joined others helping register black voters and joined protests in front of courthouses. In June 1964, James Cheney, Michael Schwerner, and Andrew Goodman were abducted and murdered for their fight for equal voting rights. The ensuing outrage pushed Lyndon Johnson to sign the Civil Rights Act the following month. While Jews still faced discrimination in the 1960s, the ability for many Jews to pass as white still set them apart from their black peers.

37:48 Jews had relatively greater access to education and finances, giving them more class mobility. These opportunities, combined in some part with the healthy bonds between the communities, enabled Jews to open businesses and buy property in predominantly black areas. A degree of coexistence that sowed the seeds of discord. A Jew was now their boss, their landlord, or their creditor, playing into age-old anti-Semitic tropes. Oh, this is great stuff. I didn't know about the people who were murdered that was the spark for the Civil Rights Act. Yes. Now we talked about the last show. At least, like I said, these shows are set up in a way. So,

38:33 yes, Professor, yes, we know your curriculum is very impressive. Yes, you've always amazed us. I can't predict the whoopee thing, but I'm just saying that it's supposed to be that way. That's exactly, that's exactly what we want. So, why is it that all the 4,000 lynchings that happened post-slavery wasn't enough? But, you know what I'm saying? Three Jewish people get killed. It's like, oh, yeah, we got to sign a bill now. And then, what I'm saying, I want to make this very clear. This is not about one group or the other group because I bring the same heat and intensity feminism and how

39:11 black women signed on with them and got the short end of the stick. But this is not. It's also giving me insight into Jewish Americans. Insight I didn't have. Right. That's the whole, that's why I want to. So. same thing. When you, when we come to the table and have these conversations, then we can actually understand and say, Hey, that's why you feel that way. You know what I'm saying? Okay, seek first to understand, then to be understood. It's like, oh, now I get why. And you feel that way. And that's why I said they were the Boulet before the Boulet because they own all the shops. They are all the in the black neighborhoods, the shops, the real estate, that kind of thing. And they had this thing where not all, but it was common where you would rent.

39:55 I think we forget what it's called, but basically, you would buy a house, but it wasn't a mortgage. So if you missed one payment, they could take your house from you. Or if you were even late with one payment, they could take your house from you. Like rent to buy or something. Kind of similar to that. You know, you lose your deposit, basically. All whatever you put in, you lose it. And they would turn around and sell the house. So I'm just saying this is what built into that tension. Yeah, that's the distrust right there. And again, you, you, you were, you were, you were, you were got by the Jewish man with a shitty contract that you didn't read. No, but you, we weren't got because we didn't read it. But we didn't understand it. Yes. This is what it's about talking about being a man. When you're a man or autonomous, I can read like you can read.

40:40 I can do math like you can do math. If I didn't read that contract, just like with your terms and services on your apps. Yeah. You're saying when you just scroll down to the bottom and check, and they come up to you like five years from now, like, hey, you saw just your first kid. We don't need that. You're the human centipede. So that's that's the thing. Like, and that's why I carry myself like I do because this feeds on the last show of you can't be a victim. You know, that's why I rallied so hard against victimhood because when you say you're a victim, then you're saying you need help. Right. Or you need, you know, saying, or you need, and I know some, I can read people's minds. I can feel it right now.

41:25 They're saying, but Mo, you're for atonement. No, no, no, no. Let me make clear what I'm talking about. Tom, let me make this clear first of all about atonement. I'm saying I'm not voting for anybody until you have something for me. I don't want anything from you. I'm not, I mean, I'm not begging you for anything, but when you want something from me, we're going to have a transaction. See how that works? It's not, oh, please, please, please. That's why I want to get away from that word reparations because it lends to repair. Oh, I need you to fix me. Please fix me. No, I have something that you want called a vote. And you have something I want called money. All right. So we can have a fair exchange, but it's not that I want you to fix me, then I'm a victim.

42:06 So I just want to make that very clear. Yep. All right. So sorry. No, no, just that's actually the most succinct you've ever said it, I think. Yeah, that's it's so obvious. And by the way, it's the way votes, the way it works all over the world. That's how business works. Now we ain't no ain't no friends, and oh, you know, I'm gonna get you on the back end and that kind of thing. I'll make you whole, bro. Don't worry. No, uh-uh. Uh-uh. We're gonna need to see something up front. Uh, so I guess we can go ahead and get in number eight now. Throughout the 1970s and 80s, the bonds between the Jewish and black communities strained under growing racial tensions in urban America.

42:47 Atlanta's first Jewish mayor employed racist rhetoric in his re-election campaign against black challenger Maynard Jackson. In 1984, presidential hopeful Jesse Jackson made a number of anti-Semitic comments, referring to Jews as Haimis. The growth and increased visibility of the anti-Semitic Nation of Islam didn't help matters. As the Israeli-Palestinian conflict drew greater international attention, division between the communities mounted as Palestinians were increasingly seen as people of color, with Jews seen as white oppressors. And while many in both communities continued to cherish the golden period of the 50s and 60s, others began to portray Jewish support for civil rights as paternalistic and therefore just another form of racism.

43:32 Tensions seemed to come to a climax in the 1991 Crown Heights riots, which erupted after a Hasidic man accidentally veered his car onto a sidewalk, killing seven-year-old Gavin Cato. The next day, in retaliation, 29-year-old Yankel Rosenbaum was stabbed and beaten by a group of black men. Rosenbaum died a few hours later from his wounds. Over the next three days, rioters looted stores and damaged Jewish property. The violence of the Crown Heights riots touched a nerve. For some, the pain, mistrust, and anger continues to this day. I was in New York at the time, and I was doing the morning show on Z100 when this went down.

44:13 It was, it was an intense time. And a lot of the leadership that we co-so-called. leadership we have now in the black community got caught up in that this era and saying things like Jesse Jackson said Al Sharpner had his moment. And it's amazing now that they're still allowed to have leadership. And maybe that's how their co-op didn't compromise. Just give that a thought for a minute. Yeah. Well, you know, when it comes to Al Sharpton, you know, it's. Well, he has several things. Yeah, I mean, he's like a protected man.

44:48 You know, he, I read that he actually had to bless the Comcast NBC merger, that they had some racial diversity equity issues in the merger. The SEC wouldn't approve it until his coalition network, whatever his thing is, until they had blessed it, and probably Jesse Jackson as well. And then Sharpton got his MSNBC show like six months later. Right. And that's my point: that's the gas and breaks, right? It's the gas so we can use him, you know, or he has he has the ability to cause them strife. Yeah. But they're not going to have him be able to completely leverage them. Oh, never.

45:31 No, never. You remember, Al, don't forget the, you know, the, the, those, those statements that you made up in Harlem. I don't say the same thing with Jesse Jackson. You know, when they really need to bring you in, yeah, it's like, hey, let me, hey, Jesse, let me talk to you for a minute. You remember that tape? And it's the same way now. It's like, hey, who fill in the blank? You remember you were at Farrakhan's festival. Yeah. Farrakhan's the go-to now. He's he's the any anybody. He's so toxic. And we've seen this with Tamika Mallory that she had to go on the, they actually put her down to the beach. Wait, who's who's Tamika Mallory? She's the one. Uh, she's one, she is the, she's the heir apparent of um Al Sharpton.

46:16 I mean, oh, ah, yes. Um, you sent me a YouTube of her the other day, right? Yeah, so she, she, she's the heir apparent, but also, um, she had gotten in trouble with uh Linda Saussure. I think that's how you pronounce her name. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. And that's Democratic socialist. Uh no, wait. Uh, yes, isn't she the one that's trying to infiltrate with the DSA? With the uh, she was, she was big on the anti-the pro-Palestine stuff. Yes, I think she's a uh Muslim American. She is, yes. Yeah, so which once again goes back to with the whole Jewish thing.

46:55 It's like, are you a race or a religion? Because when we talk about Muslims, it's like, no, I'm, I'm, I think it's Arab. I don't want to offend anybody, but I think when you're from that region of the world, the Middle Eastern, but you're when you are from the area, but you are not of the faith. It's a clear distinction. Yeah. But you don't have that with the Jewish situation. Tamika's parents were founding members of Sharpton's National Action Network. Correct. Hello. So that's what I'm saying. Her association with Farrakhan is her control mechanism. Right, right, right.

47:37 Of course. Because anytime we need to, you know what I'm saying, get you back in line, we can just, hey, you remember we found this picture of Tamika Mallory with Farrakhan. It just popped up all of a sudden. Interesting. Even though it's 10 years old. No, let's get that circulating on the internet again. Yeah, so it's interesting. I'm looking for it now if it's on YouTube. I don't think so. Oh, they'll scrub it because they need it. They can't be ready available. Exactly. That's why it can't be ready available. They got to drop it when it's hot. All right. So let's go ahead and get into Unpack Five. More recently, old wounds were reopened when voices within movements like Black Lives Matter and the Women's March made anti-Semitic and anti-Zionist remarks.

48:25 In 2019, extremists connected to the Black Hebrew Israelite movement were responsible for the murder of four people, including two Jews, at a Jersey City synagogue and kosher supermarket. For some, these are simply isolated incidents. For others, this violence points to a broader, unacknowledged anti-Semitism reflected in anti-Defamation Week polls that find black Americans are significantly more likely than white Americans to accept anti-Semitic stereotypes. Despite these ongoing tensions, the communities continue to find common ground. A shared sense of fear and urgency after the 2017 Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville alarmed both communities and triggered a rise in collaboration between some Jewish and black organizers and activists.

49:09 In 2019, the late John Lewis, along with congressional representatives, formed the bipartisan Congressional Committee. Caucus on Black-Jewish Relations, which now consists of 55 members. Today's efforts at cooperation always fall under the shadow cast by the traumas of racism and anti-Semitism, pain and mistrust. But there is tremendous hope. One year after the Jersey City murders, members of both communities say the violence has forced them to leave their respective bubbles and confront difficult issues together. A model relevant well beyond Jersey City. As Pamela Johnson of the Jersey City Anti-Violence Coalition Movement said, We may not have always understood each other, but we are all in this together.

49:51 Huh. I wonder if there's a way out. Sit down and have a conversation. That's about it, right? And I think that's my point: this we're not talking about all on both sides. We're talking about because there's Messianic Jews, there's anti-Zionist Jewish people, yeah, because they get just as much or more smoke because they're seen as the quote-unquote sellouts of their group. It's like, how I'm saying, how are you going to go against it? Right, it's a it's a form of colorism, yeah. So, but let me let me let me. We said a couple, there's a couple things said in that clip. One, that the Charlottesville thing was this maybe be the source of the renewed um anxiety that you spoke to before that your friend was feeling.

50:38 Um, because the way propaganda and mind control and these spells work is very, very conjure up these feelings. It works like hey, you can't say it doesn't work, but the way you um, the way you diffuse it is you have to unpack the conversation. Yeah, now we talked about the money and the getting got and that kind of thing, but there's another thing that we haven't talked about yet, and it's about who's the real Jews, who's the real Jewish people because and that's why they brought up this black Hebrew Israelite group. Yeah, that was that was on my list. Yes, so so what we gotta

51:20 you have black people, some black people that believe that we are the chosen people just by what is written in the Bible. You look at the curse of Deuteronomy uh 28, you're like, Yep, yep, yep, yep, that sounds like us. Um, I'll have to read that now. Wes, hold on a second, Deuteronomy what Deuteronomy 28. So it goes down to curses of the chosen people, and when you look at some of that stuff in there, it's like, hmm, that's very interesting. And then, like I said, we all people do this even in China, you know, saying they say Christ is Chinese, they uh show Christ is Chinese or Asian, you know, saying that kind of thing.

51:59 So, you have this going on, but this is another real thing: a significant number of black people think Jesus is black, and yeah, sure, makes the that makes the Jewish people have to be black just by association, right? So, it's highly unlikely Jesus was a white guy, that doesn't seem very logical. That's that's the issue of it. So, it's like, well, hold on now, this doesn't make any sense. But my point is this: so, I noticed on YouTube they let these uh black Hebrew Israelites, and I'm not talking about the brother because I got some friends that are black Hebrew Israelites, so I'm not talking about them.

52:38 I'm talking about the ones that stand on the corner of New York and DC and these places, and they yell the most vilest, racist, um, uh, just uh, crazy stuff, but you two don't take them off. It's like, hold on, wait, wait a minute, wait a minute, you get removed for this, like this might get removed. I mean, I'm just being, I mean, for real, I might think about not even posting it. This is how real it is. Seriously, I'm just letting people know if you don't see it on YouTube. Yeah, well, I kind of want to know if it gets taken down, that would be highly surprising. But you, no, it wouldn't, it wouldn't, no, it wouldn't be highly surprising because that's what I'm saying. That's YouTube's policy.

53:20 It's like we have a no uh anti-Semitism policy, but yet, and still, you have these black Hebrew Israelites, it's like a caricature of them. They stand on the corner and they're allowed to yell all these vile things, but they don't get taken down. So, it's like, is this working for your benefit? But who are they? Who are they yelling against? Black people, Jewish people, white people in general, but they're saying they go at Jewish people even harder, but nobody takes them down. They're standing like in, but the point is, just take it from YouTube for a minute. They're in like Times Square, Washington, D.C., just standing on the street corner, yeah, um, doing this.

54:00 And it's like, hold on, are you? I had to think, is this beneficial to you saying to uh submit C. cement the fact that, you know what I'm saying, this this this hate exists out here, right? You know, it's used, you know, saying for their advantage because I'm just they just find it weird of what they do take now and they leave that up. Um, just just strange, it's a strange doesn't help the brotherhood uh come together thing, any no. And what it does is it makes everybody that say they subscribe to, you know, saying uh, black people being the people of the book or the Bible.

54:39 Like, oh, yeah, he's one of them hateful people. You know what I'm saying? This is like with anything like black, say, I'll give you, I'll give you a great parallel: white nationalists, right? Or black nationalists. Just say that you say you're a black nationalist, it's like, oh, you're one of those, like, you're white nationalists, but just black. Right. And it's like, but we clearly said that Malcolm X was a black nationalist, meaning in the definition of how he says it, you know, saying we need to create our own things and we need to have our own things. But you see, by association, you can be demonized. Yes, of course. So I'm just wondering why they're allowed to be left up there on YouTube and they're never taken down.

55:21 I find that to be convenient. As I say, it's total bullshit if you want to make the world a better place. Yes. Yeah. That's what I say. It's lame. It's lame, obviously. Yeah. So that's the history of it. And like I said, that's just this is an outrage. We will not have these black Israelites getting away with it. Right. What they'll say is anybody that says Israelites. Yeah. Well, they'll say anybody that says that they're bullied that their chosen people are like them. Right. You know, and they need to be dealt with. It's the same way they do. They did it. You know what I'm saying? We've seen it done with the Muslims. Like everybody that's Muslim is like a part of Taliban. You know, it's like, what? How do you make that?

56:01 You know what I'm saying? Right. But, you know, so just, I just want to be clear. My fix is I don't give a crap what YouTube does. The more stupid they are, the better. And people will eventually wind up in other places that just are fairer and work better. So yes. So I'm not trying to get anyone to fix anything with YouTube. Screw them. No, but I care because if someone says that they believe that they're the chosen people and you go on YouTube and look it up, it's like, oh, then you come back like, hmm, you're in a hate group. That kind of thing. So that's why I have a problem with it because it's just pushing.

56:40 They're actually there is corporate funded hate. And so that's why we need to get rid of YouTube and find better things to do. Yes. And in the meantime, this is the mall of eyeballs. So we had to siphon off as many people before saying before we leave. As my man TD say, and I always mess his slang, his slogan up, but like, basically, we don't want to grow big on YouTube. We want to grow big enough to be independent of YouTube. Hey, who's TD? Who's TV? TD Media. TD, yeah. Yeah. One of these days, one of these days, I got to hang out with the U, E-Class, TD Media. That's what the converse is about. He's been in the converse. That's what we do over there. You know what I'm saying?

57:23 We hang out. You should stop by. No, I mean, like, really hang out. Well, I've never really hung out with TD. That's a YouTube friend. But he's a real friend at the same time. That's not a safe space for me, Moe. I'm good here. I'm good here with you. This is my safe space right here. So, what I want to show now is this is when Joe Behar got called out for wearing blackface. Oh, yeah. Do you remember that? Of course. Of course. All right. So I want to show you the lack of reciprocating love. I think you call it reciprocity. I think that's the term for it.

58:05 Where, hey, you know what I'm saying? One hand washes the other, right? Right. You know what I'm saying? So I don't think Joy got kicked off the view for, you know what I'm saying, two weeks or any time for, you know, at that time, the capital offense of wearing blackface. I mean, people were getting canceled left and right, but somehow she was able to, you know, weather the storm. But not only weather the storm, I want you to pay attention how the other people, specifically the black people on the panel of the view, came to her defense over the blackface issue. Number two. Is this Joy speaking? This is Joy that paraded around in blackface not too long ago.

58:47 Come on, Joy. I don't think you should be asking. That's not questions. I am. Excuse me. Excuse me. Come on, Kim. Excuse me. I have to say something to you. He told Bob Woodward that it was a very serious issue and it's airborne and that it was terrible. And then he went out and told the American people, don't wear a mask. it's all going to go away. You have to put some blame on your president. I'm sorry. You're putting it on something extraneous here. Talk to the point, please. Is this Joy speaking? The same Joy that paraded around in Blackface not too long ago. Come on, Joe. I don't think you should be asking questions. I am. Excuse me. Excuse me. The black community had my back. They know the black community has my back.

59:32 Oh, the black community has your back. The black community has your back. I do. Sony, the community design for you. Black community does not. Stop right there. I want people to pay attention to Joy. Say, Sonny, tell her. Like she, I'm saying, like, her attack doll. Like, oh, yeah, Sonny. So just we can back up a little bit. Five seconds so people can hear. I just want kind of hard to hear. So I want to say so people can clearly hear what's going on. Come on, Joe. I don't think you should be. That's not questions. I am. Excuse me. Excuse me. The black community had my back. They know that that's an homage. Oh, the

1:00:14 back. Black community has your back. The black community has your back. I do. Sony, yeah. The community designed to hope for you. Black, you know what? Did not vote for you. It was during a special election. Sonny, can I speak? What are you living on? It was during a special election while we were still under lockdown and I cannot talk to people. Jew Sonny, which is also a lawyer, which makes it even better. With Sonny, why didn't Sonny come to Whoopi's defense? That's her sister, right? I mean, what I'm saying is, but you know why? Because Sonny's husband is Jewish. Oh, really? No.

1:00:57 Oh, yes. So what I'm saying is, why didn't these people go? You hear how they rolled for Joy against Kim Klasic, who I'm saying, it was pretty damn black. Right. So you hear how, oh, really? Wow, they got your back. Oh, wow. Sonny had no problem jumping all over Kim on Joy's behalf. But why didn't these same people go into, I think it's ABC's office and say, you know what? We're going to make a stink if you get rid of Whoopi because that's our sister. That's our view sister, right? And you didn't none of that. Where was that at? So I can

1:01:35 it comes back to what we said before. I even though I'm not a fan of most of the people we've been playing clips of, I don't think they're inherently evil, racist, horrible people. They are cowards. And they're cowards because they know where the control is. That's my point. Yes, I know. That's why I'm saying. And that is the most anti-Semitic trope you can ever come up with. And I've been punished for it in mainstream for saying, well, here's what I'm seeing. And that's why it can never be discussed. But, you know, same school teacher, I talked to her about this that way.

1:02:14 She says, oh, yeah, absolutely. Of course. It's like, you know, you can discuss it with real friends, but I don't think that really is discussed in public. It's not happening. It doesn't happen except here now. And you can have these private conversations. That's fine. But it's like you have to toe a line. And like I said, I'm not holding that against them or anybody. When, you know, if you want, if it's the kind of power that you will, fine. But at the same time, when Joy got called out for blackface and we're saying blackface is a bad thing, there's no exception given, Joy. I'm sorry. You know what I'm saying? I'm sorry. Sonny and Whoopi was supposed to go in her dressing room like, hey, Joy, I'm sorry.

1:02:56 Hey, you know, the cold. Oh, you know what I'm saying? You got to sit it down for a week or two. I mean, that's just, you know, you know how it goes. You see, it's not about, I don't want to take power away from anybody. What I want to do is if that's what how power operates and looks like, where you're saying you can say, you know, this is bad for our brand, you know, that's that's not going to fly. That's just like going, let's go back to Super Bowl for a minute. If the majority of black people say, you know what? Maybe having gangster rappers on the Super Bowl with Twerk is not a good look for us. You know what I mean? I mean, it's not a net sum win.

1:03:36 You know, and then they, no, we're not going to do it. If I may say, yes, I love these short, stout dancers a lot. I just currently like to think of them. Like, like I'm thick, well, y'all pay attention. I'm just saying something about the moves. I mean, I'm an entertainment guy, right? I can totally remove myself from all the bullshit. I'm like, shit, yeah, that's good. good. I mean, I'm right down to chubby City Sent hanging upside down. I'm like, surprising, like that move. You know, it's like, I see it for what it is. Sometimes you just can't read too much into it, but that's not the world we live in. And I totally get what you're saying. So it's not, it's not about trying to take away or silence people or anything like that.

1:04:22 All I'm just saying, we're all about fair. If it's fair for one group to do this, it should be fair for all groups to do this. And especially if we're allies. Yeah. See, that's the thing. If we're allies, then it needs to be, you know, an allegiance. A real allegiance. Yeah. Right. And so I got another clip, you know what I'm saying? From this is another problem. I don't know who it was. I can't find out who was talking. Maybe you can catch his voice. But it's just not Kim, but this is another guy calling Joy out and listen to the response of the panel. We don't want to have a country like that. Do you want to say that? We've all been talking about it.

1:05:06 We've all done things that we regret. I mean, if we're talking about bringing a discourse down, Joy, you've worn blackface. Whoopie. No, you said I'm not black. I'm sorry. And don't tell Roman Polanski. It wasn't rape rape when he raped a child. So let's all talk about this. Yeah, no, let's talk about this. You want to bring this up? The question came up. I did not go. Blackface, please. No, she was not in blackface. Sorry. Listen, being black, I recognize blackface. This I can say. Blackface in praise of naturally curly hair. They say that it's making a comeback. I've always had curly hair. Huh? Whether you're. Is that you, Joy? Oh,

1:05:53 Joy, is that you, Harry? That is you? Joy? No, I know. I was. Joy. I was so cute. I was cute. I was. Are you my busy joy? That is me. What year is it? Circle. It was a Halloween party. I went as a beautiful African woman. Oh, yeah. You ain't black. But that's my hair. That's my hair. You can be. The whole point is. Why did I curly hair coming back? I thought that was. That is me. Did you have tanning lotion on? I don't know. I had makeup that was a little bit dark about my hair.

1:06:33 That's my actual hair. I love it, though. If I may analyze this with my MoFax with Adam Curry learnings over the past 75 episodes, I would say the violation here is the other rail you're not supposed to touch, which is black hair. I would say that was probably equally as offensive as the so-called blackface episode. And that was something I would never talk about on the show. No, I mean, we're not. We have balls, but we're not stupid, right? I was like, but no, you hear the tone of the difference.

1:07:13 Now, if it was somebody else, a politician of another ilk or somebody, or just say if it was Megan McCain that had the black face on, you know, it wouldn't have been laughed off. No. It wouldn't have been, you know, it wouldn't have been, ha ha ha, Joy, are you, are you blackface? And then for her, even say that, no, I didn't wear black face. I only wore dark makeup to portray myself as an African princess. That's not blackface. No, not at all. When do we start giving these passes? And just to show you, this is not about just a particular group. I feel the same way about the Democratic Party with the governor, the former governor down in

1:07:54 Virginia, in my home state. He got a pass. I don't think I ever told this. Did I ever tell you the story? Now I can tell it. I don't work there no more. Did I ever tell you the story of the former governor of Virginia? I don't think so. Okay, so I'll make it very quick. So we're coming from the lunchroom. Me and one of my friends, I won't say his name because he still works there. And we're coming down the hall and we see this big black guy in a suit. And we're like, what the hell is going on? You know what I'm saying? Like he's walking down the hallway. And we're like, you know what I'm saying? Then we noticed he had an earpiece. And we're like, hold on, like, who's here? You know what I'm saying? Because normally when somebody, a politician or somebody comes important, VIP comes to the site, they like to

1:08:39 do the festival. Yeah, I mean, not only that, but roll out the red carpet and standing attention. Yeah. Right. So here comes this secret security guy coming down the hallway. And right behind him, here comes the governor. They had to sneak him in. of the heat from the blackface thing for him to see the new building. Oh, wow, holy crap. Of course, that's how it works. It's like he's like, no, I don't want to, I don't want to take a general, you know, just be out in the general population. I just want to come see, you know, the billion-dollar edition you have going on. Get up out of here because I might have some. It wasn't necessarily even. Well, of course, you have a you, I'm sure your company was extremely diverse.

1:09:21 So I mean, that made it even worse. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. What's he? Coward, coward. So I'm just showing you how all these things are strategically done to say, hey, you know, I got to come in through the back door. Yeah. My blackface made me come through the back door. So I guess that's he had a little bit of experience of being black. Well, you know, and I believe, and I believe that's because they, in their heart, truly believe they are not racist. And at the time when that occurred for this governor, or when Joy did it, and it could have been yesterday, could have been two, two years ago, they still believe it was, they had no racist bone in their body and therefore it wasn't racist.

1:10:06 That's the whole sick thing. Once again, I'm not talking about them. I'm talking about the double standard of Whoopi Goldberg, of course. And Sonny Haustin and those people. I know. Blackface is offensive. It's offensive. Like the same thing with anti-Semitism. They don't look at the party affiliation. No. It's like it's cut and dry. Here's the no-nos. And we don't care who does it. If you do it, you're going to have to pay. With us, it's like, well, you did this. Now turn over the page and see the conditions. It's like, oh, you're a Democrat. Oh, yeah. Let me see your cookout pass.

1:10:50 Oh, here's my cookout pass. It's like, oh, no, you're good now. You see, I'm saying, like, yeah, of course. Dude, you're a comedian. You don't even know it. You don't even know it. That's funny. Good riff. I appreciate that. But I'm just saying that's what frustrates me about not about the outside groups, it's the double standards inside the group. Sure. Because that weakens, I appreciate how they roll because it's like, hey, you're on code. If you ain't on code, they'll cancel their own. It's like, we don't care. Yeah. So, I guess I'm not sure. But I'm sorry, but isn't that just exactly it? Isn't it then if you know Black America's got to say, hey, we are on, you know, we got to have you on code too.

1:11:34 You don't do something right. And they got to cancel too hard. And for the most part, we are. But the fact is, they can roll out. This is why the Boulet is so dangerous. It's not the people on the ground. It's not the boots on the ground that's co-signing this. It's they can always roll out a bullet member to say, oh, no, no, like Joy, Sonny Halston. Let me get that for you, Joy. It's like, what? What you're supposed to say? Like, she's supposed to put her hands in her pockets, like, whistle, then look the other way. It's like, hey, Joy, you're on your own. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I can't step in. So that's my whole point is that it's not a fair exchange. But

1:12:18 now, do you feel this is specifically in the media, predominantly in the media, or is it the same across the board in any organizational structure, business, or otherwise? I can't tell you because I had never been in these boardrooms and like maybe corporations and those kind of things. I can only tell you what plays out in the public. So I can't. That's why I say if I answer that question, I didn't know, then I would actually be participating in, you know what I'm saying, and stereotypes. Right. To say, oh, yeah, it's the banks. And, you know, and I'm going to say another thing. You only discredit yourself when you say, oh, it's the Jews. It's like, what?

1:13:01 No, no, be specific. Point out in the, like, that's why I'm being very, I'm not being very careful here out of fear. I'm being very careful here to be precise so we can highlight the issue. You know, because a lot of times people just jump straight to the, it's the Jews. And it's like, come on. First of all, that's offensive to the people that's on the ground. They're pro the Jews. There are Jewish people that are pro. Can you say Jews? I don't even know. But if Jewish people, I think you can. Okay. I'm just making sure. On this show. Come on, Moe. On this show, we say blacks, gays, Jews, whites. It's fine. You know what I'm saying? I don't know what's acceptable because I don't, I don't, that's everything, everything and nothing. Yeah, no, everything and nothing is acceptable. You can't, no, no one's going to be, it would never get everybody happy.

1:13:46 No, no, why I'm asking that is because I don't self-center. self-censor myself, so I'm not aware. I don't know what is acceptable or not. I think it's acceptable. As a uh, as a Jew adjacent, uh, I guess I get to say it's acceptable for this show. Okay, all right, so yeah. So, my whole point is that you know, it's just that when you do that and say these blanket statements, you only discredit yourself because there's people on like people very fine people on both sides. Well, no, it's actually people that's doing good work for Palestine, it's good work for people, you know, if you lean that way or the other way.

1:14:26 Uh, and one thing I want to point out is Ilha Omar, and we got to talk about her for a minute because they use this same tactic against her. Yep, that you know, anytime they need to reel her back in, you know, saying they play that anti-Semitic card, it's like hey, but they don't never kill her. Well, well, that and the you married your brother card, that's another favorite, yeah, that's true. I think that's more that one's more entertaining when they roll that one when she's smoking the cigarette. I love that one, that's cool with the pat with the patchy hair. I can't say that. Oh, you see, you're about to give me counsel. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm working on it. I see. Uh, let's see, number so now we got to get to the remarks.

1:15:04 Um, a teachable moment, it's always a teachable moment, you know. So, I just, as an exercise, I want to show how it's supposed to be done when you have somebody to step, run afoul of whatever you know, think is offensive. This is how they always use the teachable moment. Number 12: The history of the Holocaust has been part of school curriculums for decades, but how it is taught and how much Americans really know about the mass genocide of European Jews and other minority groups has changed in recent years. Concerns about that very issue were triggered this week by remarks from Whoopi Goldberg, the comedian, actress, and talk show host, made the comments Monday on ABC TV's The View.

1:15:52 Goldberg and her co-hosts were discussing a school district's book ban on a graphic novel about the Holocaust, Mouse. Here is some of what Goldberg initially said during her conversation: The Holocaust isn't about race, no, no, it's not about race, stop right there. You heard Sonny agree with her? Did you hear that? I mean, or you just, well, I mean, did you hear that? You heard it when I pointed it out to you, but did you ever pay attention to that before? No, never this conversation. No, of course, notice Sonny agrees with Whoopi, so that's that black thing kicked in first. It's like, Yep, yep, and then she's like, Whoa, hold on, hold on, wait, wait a minute.

1:16:36 Uh, no, so pay attention to the quick change that Sonny does. All right, I'm gonna roll it back just a tad more. Hold on a second on a graphic novel about the Holocaust, Mouse. Here is some of what Goldberg initially said during her conversation: The Holocaust isn't about race, no, no, it's not about race, it's about a different race, but it's it's not about race. Well, how hey, if Sonny said no, how come uh, Sonny doesn't get canceled because of her husband, she got the card, and she and she and she and she uh

1:17:19 came to heal a healed. I can't, I think, yeah, oh, yeah, she quickly like, no, she's like, No, no, no, wait, wait a minute, wait a minute, what am I agreeing to? So that's why she quickly, and let me stop right here because you asked this question, and I got to touch on this. This whole whoopee thing, and me and you talked about things via text. Was this whole whoopee thing a psyop? Because Whoopi knows, she knows, she knows you can't say this, and then they brought her on the Colbert show that night, they cleared the schedule, brought her on, and she still stuck to her guns.

1:17:54 So, I'm like, Is this a psyop for something else to come down the line? You and I discussed it in the context of Rogan, which was happening at the same time, correct? So, it's just like, hmm, in fact, I remember, I remember what you said: you said Whoopi may be in on this somehow on this Rogan thing, right? Because now you set the standard, like, oh, we got to cancel people, you know, saying we cancel whoopie, yeah, you know, because you'll see these things happen as a precursor. And I'm not saying that this is just me speculating, watching it, because it's like whoopie, that's just a dumb thing to say. Well, it's no, you know, you're absolutely right because now every cancellation, uh, not every, but I hear a lot is, well,

1:18:37 Whoopi Goldberg, you know, it's a it's a new measure in the line. It says lines. What about whoopie? Yeah, what about whoopee? It's like, oh, hold on a second. That was. was the standard. And by the way, it really sets up the, it really reestablishes the standard of where Jews want to be seen in the entertainment narrative. So I'm just found it weird that she stuck to her guns even after the show and even on the Colbert show because I'm sure she got phone calls. If she was honestly saying this, I'm sure her phone was ringing off the hook. Her Julet phone. I'm sorry. I got Rona, man. It's like, I mean, I'm a little slow today.

1:19:19 No problem. Oh, you mean the Boulevard mode? Yeah, sure. No, it's a different phone. It's the other phone. It's the right side of it. Yes. So when I'm saying her phone was off the hook, was ringing off the hood. Like, you really want to stand on this? If she truly meant it, and she probably would have corrected herself by the time she went on the Colbert show, but she didn't. No, which I just found very strange. I mean, just observing. Yeah, I like it. We'll go back to that part. Okay. The Holocaust isn't about race. No. No. It's not about race. It's about a different race.

1:20:01 But it's not about race. It's not about race. What is it about? Because it's about man's inhumanity to man. That's what it's about. Those remarks were widely condemned. And in response, a number of experts detailed the Nazis' racism against Jews. The next day, Goldberg invited the head of the Anti-Defamation League on the program to explain the historical record. And she apologized. You know what the kind of sad thing of all of this is, is that we have a medical tyranny situation in the world right now, which is extremely analogous to Germany 31, 33, 34, you know, getting set up for the

1:20:47 Nazi party with othering, et cetera. And, you know, we can't, because of this, ultimately, you know, this conversation that's that's taken place around this particular incident is and Joe Rogan, et cetera. You know, meanwhile, it's happening all over again, right in front of our face in real time. You know what I'm saying? Right, right. It's kind of what we can't see the problem. Right. The way I look at Canada is it's the Charlotteville of the world. You know, how kind of like Charlottesville kind of set this scene. Yeah, yeah, sure, sure. You know, it's kind of like that for the whole world.

1:21:29 Of anybody that's thinking about doing this, you're going to be, you're going to be perceived this way. Which is why all eyes on Canada. Yes. Keep trucking it up, fellas. Sure. So I guess we can go ahead and get into 13 now. And she apologized. I said that the Holocaust wasn't about race and it was instead about man's inhumanity to man. But it is indeed about race because Hitler and the Nazis considered Jews to be an inferior race. Now, words matter and mine are no exception. I regret my comments, as I said, and I stand corrected.

1:22:09 I also stand with the Jewish people as they know and y'all know because I've always done that. Afterward, ABC suspended Goldberg for two weeks. The episode has raised larger questions, and we want to spend a few minutes looking at those. Ethan Katz is the co-director of the Berkeley Anti-Semitism Education Initiative, and he's an associate professor of history and Jewish studies at UC Berkeley. Ethan Katz, welcome to the News Hour. First of all, what was your reaction to Whoopi Goldberg's initial comments that the Holocaust was not about race? Thank you for having me on the show. I mean, this was a shocking thing for someone to say, someone who is well-educated, someone who has many, many Jewish friends and has for decades.

1:22:56 And so the Holocaust was all about race, right? The historical record of the Nazis is so clear that they thought they were fighting a race war, primarily against Jews, also in Slavs and Roma and other groups. And so to make this statement reflects a tremendous lack of historical, sort of basic knowledge about the nature of the Holocaust and also the nature of anti-Semitism as primarily a racial hatred of Jews because it sees Jews as a racial biological group. Okay. So this, he's, and this is normal. They have to bring in somebody to educate you.

1:23:37 Yes. We saw this with Nick Cannon. Mm-hmm. Um, Nick Cannon, he said he had some guests on, and he kind of stepped on the third rail and he had to apologize twice. Um, and he had to have two rabbis on this show to educate him. And it's one thing I missed. Uh, one point I wanted to uh miss to make because it's important to the clips. Can you go back and just play the first maybe 10-15 seconds of clip number 12? I'm sorry, I know I know you had already kicked it out, but I want to point out a point while you're pulling that up. I want to point out the parallel between what's taught in school for the Holocaust and then compare that to CRT. Here we go: The history of the Holocaust has been part of school curriculums for decades, but how it is taught and how much Americans really know about the mass genocide of European Jews and other minority groups has changed in recent years.

1:24:30 All right, you stop right there. So, good point. Notice CRT kicked out. No, no, no, no, no, for good reason because it's like from my side, I'm good. I'm glad it got kicked out because I don't want you to teach my kids that they're inferior and uh victims. But CRT gets kicked out, but the Holocaust stays in, right? And it's been taught for you. Notice we're uh, certain groups are trying to get CRT put in, Holocaust already in there, it's all it's already baked into part of your education in the public school system, right? But but is it done as destructively as CRT?

1:25:10 No, it's taught from a different paradigm, not from the paradigm of being a victim, right? It's taught from being the paradigm of being we survive, right? Which that's a that's being a survivor and being a victim is two total different paradigms, yes. So, I just wanted to point that out when I heard, I was like, huh, so it's it CRT gets kicked out, you know, and rat or railed against, but nobody ever says anything about taking uh uh the Holocaust uh out of the out of uh right, but it but if it was it was presented in the victim uh narrative, then I think it would be obviously so why don't you teach CRT from the paradigm of course, of course,

1:25:52 once again, I understand, but but I don't hold you know saying the Jewish people accountable, I hold the Boulet accountable because it's like whatever they did to get the power they have, obviously it worked. I mean, we can't deny it, it works. So, you you work closely with these coalitions, you know, throw us the blueprint over. It's like whatever y'all did, let us get the blueprint, you know, and then we can enact it so we can get whatever happened in American slavery and taught from a paradigm of these kids are survivors, not the same way Jewish kids feel pride in their parents being survivors of the Holocaust, not uh victims of it. Well, uh,

1:26:37 I'd like to remind you that I believe that uh all this generational wealth we're dealing with came from uh a nice handful of families who were who were at the money creation. Uh, it's only been a hundred years, really, when you think about it. Most of most of these families, uh, in the United States, at least, and uh, and so now you know, there's uh a new place where money's being created, it's Bitcoin, and and I'll just keep saying I think that's where black America should uh should sit as close to the source as that as possible. Well, the only you know, we always go back and forth on this, which I'm not anti-crypto.

1:27:16 I want to make this clear. I'm very specifically Bitcoin, not crypto, only Bitcoin. Well, oh, yeah, okay, I'm not anti-Bitcoin, but I want to under people to understand the power that's behind the dollar. Um, and you can see it being planted. You brought up Canada, y'all. The world is, I'm gonna say, y'all, I mean, the y'all as the listeners are seeing, oh, crypto. Oh, yeah, we can, we want to get a hands around that. It's funding, it's funding protests, it's funding problems. Oh, yeah, we need to regulate that ASAP. So, this is this is

1:27:57 not like they can, I'm just saying, not like they can, but okay, it's nice of them to say that there's a difference. I don't, I never doubt the power and magic behind the dollar, and I mean that literally. That one-dollar bill-that's some heavyweight witchcraft going on in that because you can flash that bad boy around the world, and people know. I mean, even people in countries and civilizations that have no clue what's going on. That's true, that's true. And the magic is not that magic, the magic is the massive military that defends.

1:28:34 defends it. Yeah, because if you look on one side, it has the period. Look on the other side, got an eagle with a talent full of arrows to let you know that's what's up. You know what I'm saying? That's why America, honestly, they can run up the debt all they want to. And I mean, I've never said this on the show, but how America works is it's like the repo, man. It's like you can run up all the debt you want, but you can't come repo these cars. I got a house full of guns. Try. Yep. Try. You're saying so. China, yeah, that 20 trillion, 30 trillion, 50 trillion. And that's what they realize. Like, how you gonna collect? Come get it. Yep. So I'm just saying that that's why, like I said, I'm not anti-Bitcoin or crypto because I think it's a great money make an opportunity.

1:29:18 And like you said, it's in transferring money. Yeah, they can't control it. But when you get ready to actually transfer it over to something you can spend, they'll try their damnest to do it. I can't not say they're going to be successful, but yeah, you saw what they did in Canada. I know. Hey, Moe, I'm not saying it's easy. We've had revolutions before. This is just a very long, very silent one that's taking place. And I'm from the future. So I'm just letting you know. It's okay. And I agree with you that, you know, we're on the cusp of something very wild, not in violent, but just people thinking differently. And that's why they're trying to get their hands around it because anything they can't control, they try to destroy.

1:30:03 And hopefully our people see this is the why the paranoia. See, just stop for, and I don't want to be late at this point, but just stop for a minute and savor this and see like how Justin Trudeau is rolling and how the whole situation is playing out. And that's what the mentality or the psyop that people that I'll say, I can only speak for me specifically, have lived under to say, you know what, you can't build nothing because they're just going to tear it up. But that's what caused the victimization mentality, which that's why we had to defeat it. And that's the whole point of this whole block and the show in general is that you can't, no,

1:30:44 just be a victim at the end of the day. You have to keep pushing forward. But on the other side, this is a good way to empathize and see what it feels like to be on the bottom. Because this is a bottom moment right now. Absolutely. And I think I see people realizing that. And yeah, we're seeing how Trudeau rolls, but there's a lot of pushback. And it's going to be very interesting to see what happens. We know that there's only a few outcomes. Someone's got to bleed. And we'll see. But to me, the most amazing thing is Canada, like, yeah, I will never make another A or a boot joke again.

1:31:28 Fuck, those guys are badass. So we'll see. We'll see what happens. But yeah, this is a everyone can be at the bottom moment. This is true Gitmo Nation slavery is what this is. It's unbelievable. That's exactly what it is. And this one more note is: always be cautious of the person that's always smiling and happy. You know what I'm saying? Them the ones you got to worry about. That's right. Because when they go, they really go. Yeah, I mean, it's, and, and, and I know that people are just in disbelief over what's happening, but it's really taking place. It's, it's phenomenal. This moment in history is really, really fantastic.

1:32:07 But the, I think they really underestimate the communication skills of the people. And this is why they're trying to control, you know, the podcast of black people. No, black people. Yes. Because once you start getting en masse, just think if you had a large contingent of black people in Canada out there, then you can't deem it far right or understand hate or that kind of thing. Right. When the crowd's too dark, then a lot of the tools start to wilt. Right. So that's, that's the point. And this, just to bring it back to where we're at, that's why this is what you see here.

1:32:49 So I guess we start at 13. Let's go ahead and get into 14. Now, you can't change your race, whereas, you know, people can convert religiously, right? But the Nazis didn't care if you had grown up Christian. If you had three or four Jewish grandparents, you were Jewish and you were supposed to be annihilated. I'm wondering, Ethan Katz, how many people you think there are out there who believe that the Holocaust was not only an attempt to eliminate the Jews because of their religion, but also because of their race. I'm asking because there was a poll done we know of just a couple of years ago showing a surprisingly high number, large percentage of young people.

1:33:29 aged 18 to 39, almost a quarter of them, didn't have a clear memory of what the Holocaust was about. What's your sense of the public's understanding of all this? Right. So, that study from the claims conference from the fall of 2020 is very disturbing in terms of the numbers of people who didn't know how many people were murdered in the Holocaust. One in 10 under 40 had never heard the word Holocaust before, they said. So, I think we are in a moment of diminished public consciousness about the Holocaust. Probably the 1990s with many anniversaries from World War II, with the opening and growth of the Holocaust Marine Museum was perhaps the height moment.

1:34:10 And now we're in a moment where it is certainly disturbing. And the problem is that you cannot understand the nature of anti-Semitism without understanding that it was racial from the beginning and that the Holocaust was about race. And that for American Jews today, their experience of anti-Semitism is still profoundly shaped by that. Wow, man, it would be so much less irritating to listen to that if they said, and it's really important you learn about the Holocaust and the plight of the Jews so that you can recognize it's happening to everybody right now, you stupid nut nuts. Yes. And this is the end of this block, but I just want to make

1:34:56 one more point. Nobody ever tells the Jewish community to get over it. No, like, no, because they are quick to tell black people slavery was 400 years ago over it. Right. We still whining about that. And then they'll go into textbooks and say, I think everyone's even saying, like, they're immigrated here or immigrants. Like, they're trying to even change the language of, it's almost kind of like becoming like slavery deniers of, you know, it was just immigration or it wasn't that bad.

1:35:34 Get over it. You know, let it go. But when you come to this group, it's like, if you were to say that, if someone would say, you know what? Well, almost 100 years ago, why are you still harping on that Holocaust thing? You wouldn't, you would get dragged out the studio. If you were to say that on television, it would be, we're going to break. And then you come back. Oh, he had to leave. They would drag you out kicking and screaming. So that's my point. Is this what I make that last and final point of this block to say it's amazing that we're told to get over it?

1:36:14 It's over and done. Even though you can look 1950s, 60s, 70s, you know what I'm saying? These things still went on. Sharecropping went on as slavery as another name in this country. You know what I'm saying? For many, many decades after the official slavery. And we're told to get over it. But, you know, nobody else, if you say that, you will be, you will be kept. I mean, like, Holocaust denier is probably the lowest thing you can be. Like, when you get that label on you, oh, it's a rap. I mean, like I say, it's no reasons to deny it because it happened.

1:36:50 But my point is, if you were to say to get over it, like we're told to get over it, because I even got, I've gotten letters of people saying when I talk about atonement, that's why I want to make it clear that I'm not asking for anything. You're asking me for something. I'm just telling you the price of it. Let's be clear. Let's just be clear. You want my vote. I understand what my vote is worth. So I won't be swindled out of. You won't get me. So, yeah. So it's just, it's just amazing how that happens. And, you know, so that's my block on block, my block on Whoopee. So anything that you want to say before we go? Thanks for people? No. You know, I think there's obviously more that

1:37:36 we'll learn and uncover about this now. I mean, what I now have is like, bang, okay, I got some realization. Particularly when you said, did you hear how, what's her name? The lawyer. Sunny? Sonny, yeah. How she jumped in right away and how she's that's that was very interesting. And it's so hard because I hate watching that show. It's so annoying, but now I have to. Now I got to pay attention to all that. That was racial programming. And like we can talk about it. It doesn't exist, whatever. We all have some degree of racial programming. So her initial racial program was to agree with Whoopi as her sister, as her black sister.

1:38:17 But then she's saying, like, no. Whoa, hold on. I say, whoa, whoa, whoa, you said over there, Whoopi. Like, you know what I'm saying? Whoa, like so. That's my rap on Whoopi and the first block of the potluck. So I guess we can thank some people now. Yeah, this is a nice potluck indeed. You're stirring it up real good here, first half. The white man and the black man have to be able to sit down at the same table. The white man has to feel free to speak his mind without hurting the feelings of that Negro. And the so-called Negro has to feel free to speak his mind without hurting the feelings of the white man. Then they can bring the issues that are under the rug out on top of the table and take an intelligent approach to get the problem solved.

1:38:56 That's the only way that they'll ever do it. And it should be pretty obvious that the conversation we're having here is not the most commercial type of talk we could choose to do. So that makes it obviously very complicated. And the business model is the one that we employ. It's value for value. It's the only way that this can ever take place for all of the reasons that are aforementioned, certainly in entertainment, but in general, just the mechanisms of turning off your income or deplatforming. As Mo said, this is something that probably, if it makes it to YouTube, probably wouldn't last very long.

1:39:40 Maybe it will. I don't know. That type of insecurity is not viable. And it means we're not free. So we are only free to speak by the value that you return in our value for value model, which means you got to just determine what this is worth to you and put it in a number and send it to us. It's that simple. And I don't know, Moe, you may want to say something about that because we've really kicked up the value for value. We made it very clear what this is for. You were squeezed out of a livelihood and you decided not to be a victim to kick into high gear and become an entrepreneur.

1:40:21 And the FAX fam is coming out and supporting. Yes. So I just want to the parallel to the first block. They offered me a contract. I didn't like the terms of the contract. So I walked away from the contract. So I didn't feel like I got got. And I'm betting on myself. And the FAX family really showed up. It showed out and went hand with it. And continued saying, I hope they continue to do this because this only reassures me that we're going down the right path. And it's like the more you like, you know, give me gas money, the quicker we can take off in this runway.

1:41:03 Like I said, we're on a short runway, but we just need to get the speed up fast enough where we can have liftoff. And it's over from there. Once we get lift off, it's going to be a wrap. Well, the showing for this for today's episode is really humbling. It's really super cool to see the support that everyone is coming out the show. And we start off with, I think without a doubt, the biggest baller we've had. Baller, shot caller, 20-inch blades on the M Paula. This is Sir Sorted Out, who comes in as our big baller and executive producer with 123456. A number could not be more favorite of mine. $1,234.56.

1:41:46 And Sir, sorted out. Thank you so much. That is highly appreciated. And that's his note. Keep on pouring it on. That's it. I love that. Like, big baller and cool about it too. We also really have to thank Benjamin Ellis, who supported MoFax with Adam Curry with $691.57, not to be called anything small at all. And here's the note: an overdue donation in an effort to write the scales of value. That's what I'm talking about. Since becoming a part of the Facts family after Adam's mention of Mo on Rogan, I've listened to every episode.

1:42:25 I'm incredibly grateful to both of you for the education you provide and community you've built. This donation on behalf of my beautiful newborn daughter, Naomi Alexandra Ellis, born February 1st, 2022. Welcome. New human resource. Bursting into the world in under two hours. Whoa. Now, that's a rush release. Yeah. Good, baby. Yeah, you got a winner. It's also some small attempt to express my gratitude to my smoking hot now fiancé, Alexandria. I did not think it was possible to be any more in awe of you, but after watching you give birth to our daughter, how wrong I was. Naomi came 19 days early on her mother's birthday, throwing a monkey wrench into my engagement plan for the 2222.

1:43:09 You'll never live that one down. Naomi, your daddy won't let you. Needless to say, we had a very busy morning and couldn't have dreamt of a better birthday present. I'm too tired to think. think of jingles, but please chuck us a D-Deadbeat and Mo Karma for our new family. We will be listening along. Absolutely. Congratulations, you two. Congratulations. You're no longer a deadbeat. All three of them. You've got Mo Karma. Lovely. Oops, sorry. Love stories like that. Okay, we have. Hey, guys. It's Sergey Ninja from No Agenda. Oh, wow. This is,

1:43:53 he sends us $531.21. Fantastic. Sergey Ninja writes, last episode hit me to the core and made me cry. Wow. It reminded me of my father and how he lost his business a few years ago before the Rona and made him depressed for a couple years. He felt he failed as a provider and leader in the family. He opened and closed businesses many times, but the last one was different because he ran out of emergency money to start a new business. Little do you know, he forgot his biggest investment, which is family. The bankruptcy made us closer and showed true strength of our family. We dealt with it, and some of the children chipped in to start a new business. And his new business is now better than before.

1:44:34 I also want to thank No Agenda, who broke the spell on the Rona in the beginning. I became the person who applied for a new LLC, not PPP, nor unemployment. Ram Emanuel said, Never let a good crisis go to waste and be the jack of all trade. Well, I'm willing to learn a new skill. Turns out money is everywhere if you open your eyes and mind to it. Entrepreneurialism is not easy. Money management and secret pot of gold stashed somewhere are very important. Pay attention, Mo. You need a secret pot of gold, which somehow I think you have. Yes. Yeah, of course you do. Thanks for the excellent product. Can't wait for you to set up a subscription service. I need to rearrange my subscription. Sorry, Spotify. I have to let it go. Bye.

1:45:17 Wow, man. Thank you very much, Sir Gay Ninja. That's super nice. Very nice. Very meaningful, that note. William Gerken, $500. Loving the show. He says, I wasn't ready to send this, but now recent events told me it was time. I spare it. I can spare it. And you earned it. Remember, without struggle, there's no strength. Still recommending Mayor of Kingston if you guys haven't seen it. Wishing you the best, Mo. Mayor of Kingstown, Kingston, Kingstown. I haven't seen that yet. I have such a long list of people recommending stuff. It's like, I can't even get it. I know. And I had to watch Lost in Space. So everything else had to wait. Did you watch Lost in Space growing up? I did not.

1:46:02 I'm not a big sci-fi person. Yeah, but it was, yeah, okay. What'd you watch? What Sunday morning cartoons did you watch? The classics, you know, Tom and Jerry, all the Looney Tunes. You ever watch like Speed Racer shit like that? Yes. And then anything, Cartoon Express. Yeah. And my favorite, one of my favorites is X-Men that was on Fox. That was one of the. Yeah, no, that wasn't my time. We had no X-Men. No, we have banana splits. Vance Kotier, $400. Mo, you're a good man, and the company that let you go didn't deserve you.

1:46:45 Fair winds and following seas from this old sailor. It's Uncle Mainframe. No, thank you, Uncle Mainframe. Appreciate it. We've got Travis with $400. This is so kind, everybody. I'd like to dedicate these bucks to my nephew, Lennox B, but the note is all mine. A quick report from a white dude of the same birth year as Mo. One of the episodes, Mo was talking about letting his wife know, hey, you don't have to work. We both don't need to deal with this working thing. Adam was saying that white guys are like, yeah, go ahead, make money. Paraphrasing, of course. Really? Is that what I said? I guess so. I and several other white dudes I know would be more in Mo's boat than Adam's on that matter.

1:47:27 Maybe it's because of my experience growing up both in church and just the way it was in my family. Maybe it's a middle-of-the-country thing, Nebraska, Iowa, Missouri, South Dakota. Well, thank you for all for doing these shows. Really enjoy the conversation and the thoughts from both of you from Travis. Yeah. I mean, I grew up, both my parents worked. So I was a latchkey kid. I guess that's where it comes from. And I say that because I think housewives have the most important job in the world. No doubt. Most important job. They wear so many different hats. Mamas. We have Carl Lepold, $250.

1:48:09 Mo, keep up the good fight. Your wisdom and philosophy are most appreciated. These are beautiful notes. We have Tiger Auntie. Tiger Auntie. Tiger Auntie. Oh my goodness. Love me some Tiger Auntie. Here it is. Happy, happy year of the Tiger from Resident Tiger Auntie. As this is my lunar birth year, I'm sharing my karma with the Facts family and pledge to do my best to help Mo soar. And this is $240. It's a birthday donation in honor of my lovely nephew, Mason, whose February 4th celebration marked his first decade around the sun. It was his persistent inquiry about BLM and racism that inspired me to seek for understanding.

1:48:51 Mo's first 60 episodes can be easily translated as study companions for U.S. history curriculum. Mason and I are working through the third episode together. To Mason, I say, I wish you health, heart, wisdom, and prosperity. Build callous on your feet to tread firmly the long road ahead. Build muscles in your arms to embrace those you love while leaving room for those you don't. Build a resilient heart to withstand heartaches and all the excitement that life will bring. Think with compassion and feel with measured wisdom. Remember that pain is your body's way of telling you to pay attention, so know thyself so that you will learn to know others. Man, I love that. That's Tiger Auntie right there. That's Tiger Auntie right there. And the value she's bringing, y'all are going to see.

1:49:36 The fax machine is churning on all cylinders. And we're going to have some cool stuff for y'all in the near future. I can't wait. And can we get Mason a biscuit, please? Yeah, I think we can. Hold on a second. He needs one. They always give me a biscuit on my birthday. Beautiful. John Blade, Road Ducks, or I guess we will call them Canada geese for this week. 222.22. We're a modern family. My sister adopted three black girls. They're 20, 15, and 13 into her same-sex marriage.

1:50:16 And my gay brother, well, let's just say he has a type. Thank you for being so open, everybody. In short, our lives are enriched by long and meaningful relationships with people of all types. I've tried to be a positive masculine role model for my nieces, but I'm acutely aware that some lessons I can't teach them. And sadly, they're all trapped in the political binary R or D false choice. The Ahmad Aubrey shocked my being as he was not much older than my oldest niece. I felt compelled to action, but only found the official narrative. And then I found Mo Facts with Adam Curry. Mo, through this work, you have provided me with invaluable knowledge to help me understand the depths of the challenges that lay before my family.

1:50:59 I can't thank you enough for what you do, but someday I hope to make all of them part of them part of the Facts family. Your strength and resilience are inspiring. Keep doing the Lord's work and may these angel numbers help you achieve he might have ran out of space. I think so. Help you achieve. I'm going to finish it, your dreams. That's how it's. This is this is nice. And this is not an uncommon note that we get from people in mixed families and understanding of each other things. And you can't get it from, you can't access this kind of information and experience easily.

1:51:43 It doesn't seem to be in books. It's the level of honesty that we're allowed to have with each other that you're saying, I think, is just people feel it vicariously. Yes. And, you know, and they go back out to the, you know, saying in their personal lives. And it's infectious. Yes. It really is. Okay. Eric Adler, $200. Amazing work. Eric says, De-debt meet beat me, please. Congratulations. You're no longer a deadbeat. Robert Donaghy, $200. Be strong, be accountable, never complain. Mo and Adam, you embody these words. Mo, enjoy your new freedom. The best is yet to come. Absolutely.

1:52:24 Elijah Hines, $200. Oh, my goodness. Now, this is value for value. Love this. Elijah says, thank you for the fantastic show. Thank you for the value you place on it, Elijah. Alexander Beattie, $200. Mo, back in October, I learned that my company was enforcing a vaccine mandate. I'm a mobile dev dude named Ben. I love my job, but no job is worth your dignity. I would rather quit and find a company that respects my bodily autonomy. I won't take the religious exemption, which would make you test regularly, even if working from home. I don't consent to letting my medical data being sampled and possibly used for other purposes, like filed into my dossier for a global medical passport someday by some entity.

1:53:08 Since then, I've been on the job. job hunt. In December, my company's parent company dropped the mandate, so my company dropped ours. I'm still interviewing Justin Case, have won this show day, in fact. However, I'm single with no kids, unlike you. And now it seems like my corporate job is safe, unlike yours. So congratulations on becoming a full-time podcaster. Avow poverty. Woo! Sincerely, sir, economic hitman. I made that part up. I know. You know, what was I going to say? That's a very good point he makes. I read just today that the CDC, and they're proud of this. They say, hey, remember that PCR test you did?

1:53:51 It's possible that about 10% of all of those tests have been given to scientists for genomic research. They couldn't 23 me, you said they had to get it another way. I mean, that's infuriating. And one more thing I want to point out. This wasn't hubris. This was about my dignity. And if you don't have that in any situation, then you can't, you know, you'll never be the same if you compromise that. So that meant that I'm glad he pointed it out in his letter. It's all about your dignity. That's right. Gosh, this is such a good segment. I love this. Man, reading some of these votes, man, they almost made me Van Jones, boy.

1:54:34 They almost got me. Van Jones. Isaac Contreras, 133.33, some magic numbers right there. Much love and respect, Mo and Adam. I have only recently, within the last year, become a listener to No Agenda, even more so recently, become a listener to Mo Facts. Both are equally as important to those of us who appreciate critical thinking and peering beyond the veil of ignorance. Thank you for your knowledge and wisdom. Hare Krishna. Thank you very much, Isaac. Jennifer Dorney, 127.27. Mo, small contribution with lots of love and appreciation. What has happened to you is madness. And I believe this is our generation's pivotal moment.

1:55:15 Jordan Peterson gave a talk this week on his rule. Opportunity lurks where responsibility has been abdicated. You have been given this opportunity. This is out of context since you didn't hear the talk, but you could have pulled the sword from the stone. Don't be afraid to wield it. We are all here cheering you on. Keep shining the light in the dark places. Let's go, fax fam. And that's Jen Dorney27. How nice is that, Mo? I'm trying to tell you, man, boys, it's a lot of love. A lot of love. Yes. Well, and it's, and I like so much that, you know, we kind of bootstrapped a bit with no agenda, but now this fax fam is such an entity.

1:56:01 It's really beautiful. Really nice to see how all of that melds. No, I have to something. I got to tell you something later. I just had a thought. Justin, we continue. Justin Halcombe, I think, Halsem or Halcombe. Stop, write it down. Write it down a million dollar idea. Yeah, so just make sure you write it down. I know that whom. I know that whom. Hold on. Thank you. I write that down. All right. Value for value, 240.54% is U.S. inflation rate since 1980, says Justin. Yeah.

1:56:42 Yeah. Hey, I remember when a pickup truck cost $5,000. That was a Toyota. I remember that soda cost 25 cents. Yeah. Exactly. A canned soda. So I just tell you how far we've gone. Hey, hey, Mo. Remember. All right. Bryden Quirk, $100. That's the paper refill for the fax machine. Thank you very much. We did need the, we did, the fax machine needed more paper. Yes. Excellent. Yes. David Drake, $100. Mo, thank you for what you're going to do, Cuz. By the way, I got to mention, this is Adam and Mo real time, right? So after the show, it's like, we talk about a title, and I don't remember how it came out. So, okay, what you going to do, Cuz?

1:57:26 All right, this is a great title. And so we hang up and then Mo texts me the exact way to spell it. And I love you for that, brother, because you know I wouldn't be fucking, I wouldn't be insulted by it. And I was like, oh, shit, I never would have done the double Z. And I had to make sure for E-Class sake, I've said it exactly how he sends it to me. I'm saying frequently. I'm like, what you gonna do, cuz? It's like, so I want to make sure we got it exactly right. That was so beautiful. I'm like, yeah, see, that's, he knows, he knows, he knows, he knows I'm not going to get that right. So he's like, and I, and I was like, I wonder how I should do that. And boom, there it was.

1:58:07 Anyway, back to David's note. What's you going to do? Because you're trusting a lot of universals with all men, regardless of race. Absolutely. It made me reach out to a buddy of mine who's going through some stuff that I can relate to. Because of that, he and I will be hanging out tomorrow night. Thanks, brother. Be well, live love, and love life from Dave Drake. See, that kind of note. Thank you. That's very valuable to this show to hear that. Colin Preston, $100. Mo, as a fellow entrepreneur, I can assure you that being liberated from your old job is one of the best things that will ever happen to you. 10 years from now, you'll reflect back on this as being a blessing in disguise. Hold your head high and take great pride in being self-employed.

1:58:48 It's a lot easier to punch a clock. If you keep doing what you do so well, then doors will always open for you. Absolutely. And that is a whole fact right there because there is no weekday or weekend anymore. It's every day is a workday. Every day. But I enjoy it. I enjoy it. And I don't, you know, but that is, you never work harder than you work for yourself. That's right. And I personally find it that I've never enjoyed working as much for myself. I'm a great boss to myself. I really am. I give myself a lot of free time. I'm a terrible boss to myself. Oh, you'll learn. You'll learn. You'll learn. You'll get there.

1:59:30 And by the way, because of the lengths of the notes, we're going to do up to up through 100. And then we'll go back and we'll start the next block at 80. Mo, what do you say? That'll work. And anybody that feels like we didn't get your note, I'm saying it was something important you wanted to be said, you can bring it over to the lost tapes and I'll address it there. So just send me a quick email. Say if we missed out on you, I just want to make sure I don't make the show too long. That's exactly it. And, you know, and this is always the problem, but I feel content, though. It's still content. I mean, this stuff is fantastic content. It really is. This is what I like about the value for value model. Anthony Magner did not send a note.

2:00:14 $100. Thank you. Miguel Espinal gave us a couple of arm pump emojis. Strong arm emojis. Yeah. Ryan Shears, $100. No note. Clinton, $100. Wants a Woosa. Of course. Actually, let me do these next ones because we're almost there. And these are quick. I got St. Ryan Shears. He also has given us time and talent and contributing to the Fax Machine as well. So I got to get a good idea with that as well. Jacob Ballman Smith, hey, Mo,

2:00:54 $80.08, a boob donation. Hey, Mo and Adam, thanks for the excellent shows you two created. I quit my job at Trader Joe's two months ago because they required weekly PCR testing starting January 22 for those who have refused to be vaccinated. As I'm unvaxed, I saw the clear discrimination. As anyone can get COVID and anyone can spread COVID, also illogically, I would have to be able to work while awaiting test results. Of course, it's theater. That's crazy. During Christmas and New Year's, my provider, Kaiser Permanente, refused to give testing to anyone who didn't have symptoms or needed to test to work. Clear coercion to get the shot. I'm now looking for work and would appreciate a huge MoFax

2:01:37 job karma to help me along my way to a new career working from home remotely. I love you two like brothers. And with God's help, I know you will pull through, Moe. Well, I think that is absolutely, absolutely the case. Let me see if I get some good jobs karma here for you with a little bit of Mo on top of that. I think we got it. Jobs, jobs, jobs. Jobs, jobs, jobs. You've got Moe. I like that one better. On the fly. Yeah, I like that one. Edwin Torres, $80. Thank you, guys. GBG, give blacks guns.

2:02:13 Waiting for the t-shirt. Jonathan Peckham, 7676. He says, I turned 18 my first week of Marine Corps boot camp in 2008. My platoon was 3076 Mike Company. SemperFy Marines. And thank you, Mo and Adam. Also, this is my third donation, and I haven't been de-deadbeated. Dealer's choice, Karma, please keep up the good work. Well, that's an oversight. We got to correct that. Congratulations. You're no longer a deadbeat. You've got MoCong. All right. Through your goat. Always nice to see the Marines. Good to have you.

2:02:55 Good to have on our side. Hell yeah. Yeah, we're no dummies. Let's see. Sir Paul the book guy. What does Sir Paul the book guy say? I said, I was fired by corporate for about 15 minutes until after my regional manager called and said, Hey, man, you're exempt. Okay, or I feel you, man. Get a lawyer. Once all the COVID crap is over, sue their ass, stay strong. You know, and a lot of people talk about these things. I personally, I mean, I think you're probably with me on this, Mo. I think we got no time for that. We don't have time. And I'm just waiting for the.

2:03:38 Have you or your family member been fired? Do you see that? Yeah, exactly. Well, if it's just filling out a form and they send you some money, that's probably worth doing. But that'll happen. You'll get those. Some lawyer somewhere is plotting up that takedown right now. Oh, yeah. Send them some karma for real, for real, because it's going to happen. But I'm not going to waste my time trying to fight them. And Arizona has some interesting stuff going on as well. So I'll let those two entities handle that. Yeah, but appreciate the support. Yes, definitely. Michael McGwirk, I think. Let me stop that. Hold on, wait. Unless there's some facts family member that wants to contribute some

2:04:20 legal time. Pro bono. There you go. All right. I will not spit in the face of any value that way. There you go. There's my American friend. There you go. If we could sue you. Hey, we're all Americans when it comes to that. Michael McGwirk, keep up the good work and fighting the good fight. It's hard not to get demoralized or pushed into being an extreme reactionary by the mainstream narrative and news. So I'm mostly tuned out and focused on my work, family, and friends. But even through your personal struggles, I'm happy to hear your guys' point of view. I haven't donated in a while, so kind of have a D-deadbeat and matching Wusa for my wife who is graduating med school in May.

2:05:01 Yes, absolutely. Thank you. Congratulations. You're no longer a dead. Wusah. Woosa. And that was $69. Thank you very much. Daniel Hollingsworth, $66.33, says, I appreciate what you do and the sacrifices make you to be genuine. Thank you, Daniel. And Daniel Fletcher, $60 says, thank you. And then finally, Kent Elgren, $55, no note. And we'll be thanking the rest of our list a little bit later on. I did want to mention before we continue, we got a number of booster grams.

2:05:41 This is another way for you to support the show and support the work by using a modern podcast app. You can get one. There's many different ones to try. I'd like to mention Fountain, fountain.fm. You can go to newpodcastapps.com to see them all. But Fountain seems to be kind of the breakout star right now. So that may be one you want to check out. And you can even fill up your wallet from Cash App with Satoshis. And then not only can you support us in the ways that you already do, but then while you're actually listening, you're sending value in real time to us. It's revolutionizing podcasting. I retweeted your retweet on how to do the Cash App thing.

2:06:23 Yes, I saw that. Go to our Twitter. You know what I'm saying? If you need to know how to do your Cash App. Yeah. Loading. That's a good source. So you can also send these cool messages along with your payment. So very much like a PayPal or a Cash App. But of course, this can't be interrupted by the government. And it comes right into the node, and we're stacking that. That's our retirement fund. So that is highly appreciated. And we kick it off with 250,000 sats from Servesa of Backside of Pike's Peak. He says, boosting for the fam. He wants a WUSA. Looking forward to his family name. And that's by today's numbers, Mo.

2:07:04 That's about $120 right there. Yes. So we really appreciate that. Let me give you a Wusa there. Running down the list here. And this is only the ones that have booster grams with messages. We have 630322 with 500 sats. We have Hank de Frieskist, which is, I think, a Dutch. This is also getting people into Podcasting 2.0, which is kind of fun. 11th, 111111, 11,111 sats.

2:07:48 Thank you, he says, from your favorite freezer. His Dutch name means Hank the the Freezer. Okay. 500 sats from, oh, that's a boost undetermined. We have signs of new growth. 1, 2, 3, 4. Johns Burt, 49,000 sats. Thank you very much, Johnsburt. Mo a little support. Hope it helps. 5,000. This is, I don't know the name, but he says V for V for episode 75. Heart of Hat, 33,333. Some new money for you. Very new. It's in Satoshi's. Appreciate that. Happy Black Future says Nomad Joe with 700 sat boost.

2:08:34 2,500 sats. Unknown reminded me about the seven habits. We'll have to revisit again soon. Yeah, it's fun when you hear something like, oh, yeah, I should check into that again. Chad F, Chad Farrow, 20,000 sats. Thank you, Chad. We have JTATX, 4K Boost for the Chirp. We got a chirp for you. 4,096 sats. Let me see. We have Cass Pieland, 3,300. Another Chad Farrow, 333, 5,000.

2:09:14 Truck strike might cause food shortages and the people will lash out from Anonymous. And then we have several other 1,000 Satoshi boosts. All in all, probably about $170 in support through Podcasting 2.0. And we really appreciate that as well. So if you'd like to support this, support the work value for value. The easiest way is to go to mofax.com, go directly to the donation page at mofundme.com, M-O-E-F-U-N-D-M-E.com. And just whatever this is worth to you, whatever this work is, if it's some for some, it's on par with college education.

2:09:55 You may have $5 to your name, and that may be exactly one of the most valuable things you give. That's the beauty of it. It's up to you. Only you can determine that. We appreciate it. And we'll be thanking more people in just a few minutes. And I would like to remind people that please come over and check out the lost tapes because that goes further down rabbit hole and other stuff that are maybe visually dependent. So please check that out. I fought YouTube on episode 74 and I won. Take that, YouTube. So what did they took it down? Was that what happened? Oh, yeah, they took it down because I used some

2:10:35 use under fair use. I used some clips from the different world show. It was the episode where they did the kind of like satirical thing with the whole Clarence Thomas trial. Oh, yeah, sure. I said multiple times, fair use, fair use, fair use. And they still took it down. And then I challenged it. I'm not editing my videos anymore. So I challenged it. You know what? They don't even send you a letter to say, oh, you won. You know what I'm saying? They just pop it. Put it back up. Right. Yeah, right. Exactly. Your time is nigh.

2:11:12 Right. Right. So, yeah, so I just want to remind people of that because that's, and I still owe you 75, but, and we'll get that before, you know, maybe the weekend's out. Just to remind people that, you know, what's going on over there. Okay. So, yeah. So I guess we're going into the B block of the hot luck. Yeah. So number 18. The Washington Examiner reporting that the Black Lives Matter organization is halting online fundraising after facing scrutiny for missing financial records. The California Department of Justice threatening to hold the foundation's leaders personally liable if they fail to disclose details of the $60 million in donations that it received in the next two months.

2:12:00 Here now is Andrew Kerr, Washington Examiner, investigative reporter. Incredible work, Andrew. What do you know right now about these developments? Right. So Black Lives Matter is a public charity that means that they have an obligation to disclose basic information about their finances to the public, information about their leadership, and information about where they actually reside. And Black Lives Matter has provided none of that information. Information on their 2020 finances, a year in which they closed out with 60 million of their bank accounts, is months late. We tried to go to their Los Angeles address. My colleague did last week and was told by a security guard that Black Lives Matter has never had an office here.

2:12:45 And we constantly get packages that we have to read for Black Lives Matter that we have to return back. the sender. And their board members won't disclose who has been in charge of the charity for the past eight months. When its former co-founder, or when its co-founder Patrice Cullers left the organization last May amid scrutiny over her own personal real estate purchases, she appointed two co-executive directors to lead the organization, but they quietly announced in September that we're not taking the job because we can't come to an agreement with Black Lives Matter. Well, gee, who could have seen that coming? They got got. I mean, seriously, that is so surprising.

2:13:25 And isn't even amazing how you can transact that much cash and operate for this long. I mean, they've been operating now for what, since 2014, 15. Yeah. Nothing official on the books. We're in 2022, and all of a sudden, now we want to talk about money, who's in charge, that kind of thing. This is what they call it, what burning when you burn somebody. Yeah. They're burning their agents. Of course. But this is the thing. You didn't know how this was going to go. I mean, throughout all of history, I'm talking to the Instant Members of Black Lives Matter now, the leadership.

2:14:08 You didn't see how this was going to go. Unbelievable, isn't it? For sure. Unbelievable. I mean, and it's corporate money too. Like Coca-Cola. We're getting there. We're going to get there. You know what I'm just saying? Goggles, Curry. Sorry. Papa Money. Yeah, much better. Yeah. So, but my point is: one, if you're so knowledgeable in black history and revolutionary tactics, you got to know this is part of it. That's what they call breaking their tools. You know, once they, you know, they're done, they're done with them. So now it's these three women were the, you know, the blame for everything that happened in Black Lives Matter.

2:14:54 But no matter how I disagree with their tactics and their ideology, I will not stand aside and let them take the blame all alone. Right. That would be disingenuous of me. That's the same as blaming Dr. Dre and Snoop and all them guys without talking about Jimmy. Now you start to see the trend. I mean, of course, you saw it, but yeah, it's a connective tissue between these blocks of the potluck. But just to remind people that may have forgotten, we're going to go over to Dave Pacman. This is from episode seven about who was really funding Black Lives Matter.

2:15:37 And I have a very, very specific idea that we need to explore seriously, which is that the anti-Bernie Sanders tinge of the Black Lives Matter movement recently could be George Soros-funded AstroTurf. And I will speak as specifically as possible, Lewis, and then I will allow you, Lewis, to tell me what you think about this. It's widely on record that George Soros, the liberal billionaire, has poured a ton of money into two movements that were instrumental in creating Black Lives Matter and the buzzword. Dating back to January, we knew that George Soros spent over $30 million bankrolling Ferguson demonstrators.

2:16:18 And of course, Ferguson relates to Officer Darren Wilson, who killed unarmed teenager Michael Brown and was ultimately not charged. This includes support by George Soros of groups like Colorlin's News for Action, Organization for Black Struggle, which established itself, then established the Hands Up Coalition. Soros also gave money to the Drug Policy Alliance, which worked on pushing Black Lives Matter as a buzzword, which has since been incorporated into speeches by political figures, including Hillary Clinton. So just remember, you know, we're not going to let these three sisters twist in the wind

2:17:00 if criminal cases are going to come down and just tying into the first block. You remember anytime you mentioned the word Soros, that was anti-Semitic. Yep. Now, that's why I used the clip from Mr. David Pachman because he was born to the Ostenovsky, I can't say that word. Askenazi. Askenazi Jewish family. So how does that work? You let me know how that works. And that's why we can't paint with a wide brush either. You see what I'm saying? That's why be specific to who you're talking about because we have people pointing out things and bringing things to attention.

2:17:40 But we saw Fox News, I thought, right? They ran somebody off the air live. It was like, you can't say Soros. Right, right, right. I couldn't find, I couldn't remember who said it because I saw that on the clip. Who was that? It was. You sure it was Fox? It was Fox. It was definitely Fox. Because, you know, ain't anybody else going to say Soros. I mean, so we already know that. So it had to be Fox, but I think it was, was it the mayor? Was it the mayor of New York? The former mayor of New York? Is this from Bill O'Reilly days? It was recent enough that we were doing the show. But I remember that.

2:18:21 But yeah, I'm just saying, even the mission. Hold on, what's this? Hold on. What's this? There was something on Fox News yesterday with Newt Gingrich that got a lot of yes, it was Newt Gingrich. I'm not going to comment on the Fox News personnel, Lara. I'm going to tell you. So George Soros has donated seven people. Does he have the clip? Seven people on it. It doesn't have the clip. Anyway, yeah, it was Newt Gingrich who said that. He brought up George Soros in relation to it. And like, okay, what you can't say that click boom by. So I'm just showing you how that works as far, I mean, not you, but the audience, how that works. But then we have Dave Pacman over here saying that Soros was funding Black Lives Matter.

2:19:03 Right. So the scrutiny needs to go all the way to the top. The fish rots at the head. So let's go ahead and get into the second part of this clip about scrutiny. So amid all of this, the state of Washington and California have recently notified Black Lives Matter that, hey, if you guys want to operate in our state, then you need to submit your financial information. Until you do so, you are not to solicit any contributions from citizens of our state. Washington warned Black Lives Matter in a letter a few weeks ago that you could face fines upward to $2,000 per violation.

2:19:41 And California said that we will hold the leaders and everybody that's in charge of solicitation at Black Lives Matter personally accountable if you don't submit your records within 60 days. So yesterday, Black Lives Matter took the extraordinary step and they announced that we're going to pause all online fundraising as we get our registration issues sorted out. But this is some breaking news from just before I came on air. It turns out that Black Lives Matter is still accepting donations from their Act Blue donation pages. They told me just before he came on the air that these are not active fundraising pages.

2:20:21 These are former fundraising pages, which doesn't really make sense because I was able to pitch a dollar to Black Lives Matter proving that they're still actively accepting contributions despite their statement yesterday that they are no longer going to be soliciting funds online. So you can see, I'm just trying to figure out how do you collect that much money and don't have your paperwork in order and allow to do business for that long. And it didn't raise any red flags. But now that it's over, you're done with them. It's kind of ran its course. They've been burned. Whenever you say Black Lives Matter, people know this is a scam now.

2:21:04 We're talking about Black Lives Matter Inc. Let me be clear. Let me clarify for the new listeners. We're talking about Black Lives Matter Inc. That's the corporate wing of it that was taking money in, not the people on the ground protesting or fighting for Black Lives on a very grassroots level. But I noticed now they're doing, I don't know if it's going to be the new group, but they're using this language of what was it? It's not Black Lives Matter. It's slipped my mind. It was something for Black Lives. It's something it's man. But they don't use Black Lives Matter anymore.

2:21:46 It's ah man. I told you something, but it's still tied to Act Blue. Let alone. Oh, no, of course. I think I sent you the text. You were saying to do a curry cash check on them. Oh, really? It's something for Black Lives. Well, I'll talk about it in a future show. Agenda? No, no. No, no, no, no. I don't want to drag it out. Basically, they have another kind of like shell game going on, which it has Black Lives in it, but it does not Black Lives Matter. So I think they're going to start pivoting to that. So who do you think they is in this case? It's the same. Anything is the same

2:22:31 shadow organization. They just find new Patsys to take the blame. And like I said, said, these women got in over their head. They got the celebrity, they got the fame that went along with it. All the highlights and given all kind of just praise, but they didn't understand the other shoe that was going to drop. Now, so my thing is, if we're going to take them down, which I, I mean, I think ridicule is enough. Yes. But if you're going to take them down, then we need a RICO case.

2:23:10 We need to go all the way to the top. Okay. What's known as RICO, it's a short for racketeering influence corrupt organization. Any organization that is acting with illegal has illegal activities from a regular corporation, Wall Street corporation, to gangs can be prosecuted under the RICO Act. In order to be prosecuted under the RICO Act, the prosecutors have to, there's different levels

2:23:54 and different elements that the government has to prove when it comes to prosecutions of RICO. However, generally, the prosecutor has to prove at least two or three separate acts that the corporation is committing that are illegal. So for example, when you are prosecuting a gang, a street gang with RICO, prosecutors usually would show that that gang is dealing with drugs and committing murders. That would be enough to prove a RICO. Depends on, again,

2:24:34 what statute section under the RICO Act you are being prosecuted under. Sometimes the prosecutor has to prove specifically those acts, and sometimes they can just generally prove certain acts. And when the jury finds, when the jury deliberates, they don't really have to specifically tell or vote on a certain act. They can just in general say, yes, we find that the prosecutor proved that at least two acts are illegal. Yeah. So we're going to get them. This might be our best chance of Soros.

2:25:16 Yeah. Yeah. Good luck with that. No, hey, RICO cases, we've seen them take down Big Fish before. And if there's any connective tissue, obviously, Dave Patman pointed it out. There's. Let me be optimistic at them. Okay, yeah. I mean, I have little faith in most institutions. I would say justice is probably what I have the least faith in right now. And the name of the group is the Movement for Black Lives. Because I was reading this article. I was reading this article and they kept talking about the Movement for Black Lives. I've never heard this group before. So their website is M4BL.org.

2:25:58 That's right. I remember. And when you go click on the donate button, of course you know where it goes, Act Blue. So I think this is going to be the new Sheryl Corporation because they use the same yellow and black on their website that we pointed out that was used in the Black Lives Matter street paintings. It's the same color, everything. But yeah, it's the Movement for Black Lives. And I think this is going to be their new shell company that are a shell organization that they operate out of. This group, whoever the shadow group is, they saw what happened in 2020.

2:26:38 They went to woke with the, you know what I'm saying, trying to get rid of the black man. I'm seeing now that the Democratic Party is trying to get some black men to play the role for them in politics. I'll be bringing up some names here shortly. But yeah, so I think if they're going to go down. Do they have spokesholes? Do they have new spokes models here for M4BL? No, it's not yet. It's just, but it's called Power on their website. It says Black Power Rising 2024. So you see what they're setting up for. And I think, like I said, they went to woke. And they're like, well, when we went that far, we've shifted the, you know,

2:27:23 we went outside the scope of what people are willing to follow. We were saying when we start reading the literature, what Black Lives Matter was about, and they're probably going to try to correct from that and then. pick up from where they left off at. But I have this clip because what brought this to my attention, even before the $60 million thing came out, Patrice Cullers has been left the group, as stated before. Oh, yeah. But she was on with Jamal Hill. And I was like, hold on, is this an old video? I mean, like, why is she talking about why she left again? So she's back around doing the rounds again, like trying to say, hey, I ain't got nothing to do with this. Damage control. Right. She's trying to clear her name. So

2:28:06 this is the next clip with her and Jamail Hill. Last May, though, you made the decision that you were going to step down from the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation. You said it was the right time. What made it the right time? You know, I had been at BLM since the very beginning, obviously, for eight years, one of the last co-founders who were really there to help build the infrastructure and usher in, honestly, a new decade for BLM. I was ready. I personally was ready to evolve into a next role, a next position, not necessarily for like a nonprofit, but in my life.

2:28:46 You know, I was ready to make some money. But, you know, seven months out, I will be honest with you, it was also because of right-wing attacks. I was thinking about my child. I really thought that I was going to die. I thought, you know, I had received multiple calls from the FBI that they were credible threats against my life. And I had to just really sit back and make a decision. Like, what, what is my, what's my best role in this movement? Is it a dead Patrice or an alive Patrice? And I said it was me being alive here to see my child grow up. So many, you know, young, so many people who lost their parents to white supremacists and didn't get to grow up with their parents.

2:29:37 I'm more than just a movement leader. I'm also a mother. Oh, man. No, no, no, no, no. No, Patrice. It don't work like that. Because you can't let the patriarchy run you off. Right. Right. And out the front line of fighting for you and saying, you know, all things, you know, liberation. Hey, whatever happened to the two Marxist trainers slash kind of managers of the whole, they were older, older, like in their 70s, Jews. Which one? Who's which one are you talking about? It's like an old dude and an old woman. And they were also involved in the actual 5013C.

2:30:21 This goes back a while. For a little bit, there was a blip where, like, hey, hold on a second. I remember them. Classic Marxists been doing this shit forever. Right. Because that's when the whole Marxist takes. Yeah. Yeah. Everybody started doing their homework. And yeah, no, it's just interesting that they were both Jewish. Hello. What did I just say about you saying they go to the workers? It never goes up. No, it stops at the workers. Right. This is the Super Bowl. This is the halftime show all over again. It stops with Patrice Colors. Right. And her two buddies set up to run a billion-dollar scheme, made all style, and they were the only ones that did it. Yeah. This is how it works. It's like, no, it doesn't work like that.

2:31:05 But as far as you don't get this kind of money and corporation buy-in just from those three people that we never heard before until, you know. No, no, no, no, no. There was some professional fundraising going on. This was well organized, well done. Yeah. And their 2020 is over. 2022, they're like, they're not really valuable to us anymore. I mean, they have the stench on them every time they come out. Like, oh, those are the Marxist girls. You know what I'm saying? It was kind of thing. I mean, that's what people's reaction are in certain circles. Unless Patrice Colors can get a hit on with her Netflix deal. If she can get a real hit out of that, which I doubt, that could rekindle her, but I don't see that happening.

2:31:50 That's what she's trying to do. But I mean, all of these people are done. Capronine. It's out with the old and with the new. And this is how it works. And by the way, Jay-Z's got to know that one of these days he's going to be out too. Oh, he already had his pound cake moment. Pound cake moment. The Bill Cosby thing. I've said this before on the show. I mean, in passing, but when he made that deal with the NFL, that was his pound cake moment. Can you explain the pound cake moment again? I don't remember. So when Bill Cosby came out and was like railing on black people, that's kind of when he. he lost the black support. He was like, pull up your pants.

2:32:34 They're out here killing each other over pound cake. Oh, right. So that's why when they came for him, he had no support. And it's funny that you say that because, and this is how I found out about the movement for black lives, because there was an article right after the Super Bowl talking about Jay-Z basically sold out and it was in the root of Arthur from the root saying, what did we really get for Jay-Z? You know what I'm saying? It was good for Jay-Z, but it wasn't good for us. So that's when I started seeing them say the movement for Black Lives. And I thought they were just doing some wordplay, but no, it's actually an organization. So that's kind of interesting.

2:33:13 Was there a general expectation that, hey, these guys, they finally got the power. They're going to do the halftime show. They're going to do something great. Was there an expectation that Jay-Z and the crew there would do that? He was supposed to bring, he was supposed to, how I put this. He was supposed to. I know the whole mission was what Kaepernick was fighting for. That was the expectation. Like, Kaepernick needs Jay-Z, he'll come in and he'll do something transformative in the NFL. What Jay-Z saw as he grifted the grifters.

2:33:54 He was like, I'm going to take your grift and I'm going to use this to position myself for ownership in the NFL. And when he did that, everybody on the grassroots was like, I mean, for Black Lives Matter, was like, oh, Jay-Z's a grifter. And that's why I said, when they do cover him, he won't have that support. The same way with Bill Cosby, how everybody kind of threw their hands up was like, oh, you can have Bill. You know, he's not meaningful to us. So, yeah, that was, that was, I think, this NFL thing was his power moment. Was there something that you think he could have done that would have been the right thing to do? No. There's nothing he could have done, right?

2:34:37 The grift, the whole show was the grift. It was the press. He kind of was a pressure release vowel for the NFL. Oh, no, I know what the point of him doing that was. No, I'm saying what I'm saying is that he was the, that's the point of it. So he wouldn't have been functional or regardless of the NFL in any other, you know, in any other way. Right. I got you. You know, so it was no way he could. What he wanted to do was kind of like, no, thread the needle and say, you know, I'm doing it for the culture. You know, and kind of like, oh, we'll give you a halftime show. And the funny thing was, even then, he had to do the Latinos first.

2:35:21 He couldn't come in and do a black halftime show. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. He had to do the Shakira. Oh, right. That was the triple law. He did that one first. Right. They're like, Jay, now don't be crazy. He's into it now. He's into it. He's into it. So, yeah. So, but I say all this to say that all these things are strategic. And that leads me to the theremin moment now. So. Do you need me to actively play along with this? I think you do for this block. So while he's grabbing his instrument, there's a recent case where a former Black Lives Matter activist went in and shot a mayoral, a mayoral candidate

2:36:11 in Louisville. Yeah, this was great. Wait, wait. Go ahead. All right. So when I see this, it makes me think, oh, this is the total stepping away from Black Lives Matter. We got to have a black violent man come in. Yes. Take a shot. Yes. At a Jewish mayor. Yep. And the media ate that shit right up. Right. So this is them stepping away from the whole Black Lives Matter thing. And they got to say where they're toxic now. See, now they're toxic. And they have to take a black man to do it. It's unbelievable. Of course.

2:36:54 How do they get him so crazy to do this? Well, we're going to get into that. I'm sorry. I thought I had my goggles on. Let me make sure they're on tight mode. Hold on a second. Plate breaking tonight. A local activist is charged with the attempted murder of a local mayoral candidate. Police have identified 21-year-old Quintez Brown as the man who fired shots at Craig Greenberg and his staff earlier today. WLKY Shaquille Lord's reaction tonight. He's live at Metro Corrections with the latest. Shaq. yeah, Vicki, as you mentioned, he is an activist. He's a former columnist, and he even had his eyes set on running for Louisville Metro Council District 5.

2:37:34 But tonight, the 21-year-old is charged with attempted murder and is behind bars here at Metro Corrections. The Democratic process is that we, as individuals, go into the ballot box and vote for who we want. We don't kill candidates so that other people can't vote for them. Strong words from Metro Council President David James. It comes after finding out former local columnist Quintez Brown was identified as the man who police say tried to kill Louisville mayoral candidate Craig Greenberg. All of us are blessed, and I'm blessed to be standing here today with you. So I'm thinking Sir Ron Saran, I think how you pronounce his name. Sir Han Sirhan.

2:38:19 Sir Han Sirhan, yes. I'm thinking we got some action like this going on. It's gotta be. This is, I mean, it's so perfect for him to be doing this. Right, right in Louisville, right? That was the epicenter of the whole Breonna Taylor case. Yeah. And the hotbed for 2020. Goodness. So goodness. Yeah, and just all the security and takes a shot, two shots at the guy, and it hits his sweater. Yeah, and that's another beauty. That doesn't make any sense. And then this dude being anti-gun, it just makes no sense, the whole story.

2:38:58 So I'm like, when I'm starting to look at this, I'm like, this stinks, but it starts to bring things back into my mind. But I'm like, well, hold on, Mo. You don't, you know what I'm saying? Hold on. You got it. You got it. You know what I'm saying? It's easy. Easy. You know what I'm saying? Can't jump out the window. You know how these rabbit holes are. So I start listening to the story more. 24. Around 10 this morning, officers responded to Greenberg's campaign headquarters in Butchertown Market for a report of an active aggressor. Police say Brown entered Greenberg's office and fired several shots at him, just grazing his sweater. Neither Greenberg nor his four staff members were injured physically. Hours after the shooting, Greenberg says he's still trying to grasp what happened.

2:39:41 I'm shaken up. It was a surreal experience. And mostly right now, I just want to get home to my wife and sons and give them a hug. He says, thanks to the quick thinking of his staff, they were able to barricade themselves in. The individual closest to the door managed to bravely get the door shut. We barricaded the door and the suspect fled. Brown was well known for being a constant presence during social unrest in Louisville during 2020. While there are more questions than answers at this point, James says Greenberg and others are blessed to be able to walk away. I'm just thankful that the staff and Craig Greenberg are alive and well.

2:40:25 Now, in addition to attempted murder, Brown is also facing four counts of wanton endangerment. He's scheduled to appear before a judge tomorrow morning. Oh, yeah, nice. Social unrest instead of DLM protests. Social unrest. Yes. It's gangste. They're going to tie in. But what's weird is he came in, took two shots of several shots. Some counts was two. They said several in this story in the story. And then they bombarded him and they barricaded the door. I don't understand how this works. Like he came in, shot at you, and then your staff barricaded the door. Like,

2:41:08 I don't, the sequence is off to me. Yeah, this is this is indeed highly sketchy. He says, Pow Powell grazes your sweater, kills your cardigan. You know what I'm saying? And then, but even that, man, I've never seen it like that. Just, I mean, that's lucky, right? Yeah, I don't understand. If. And then the way they put it, it's like graze his sweater. It's like, I don't know, but it just doesn't make any sense. But what started to make sense was before this happened, he went missing. Oh, really? Oh, crap. A missing 20-year-old college student has an entire community hoping for his safe return.

2:41:51 Quintez, we love you. And until we find this young man, we're going to continue as a community to come together and make sure that this young man is found safe and not in harm's way. Thank you, everyone, for coming out. This is a search. No, you all should have some fires in your hand. Quintez Brown has not been seen since June 19th. And his family, friends, and the University of Louisville are all searching for him. Quintez is a born leader. I know I met him his freshman year in high school, and immediately when I met him, I knew this young man had a gift to serving his community.

2:42:28 He's known as an activist for police reform and civil rights and has contributed as an opinion writer for the Louisville Courier Journal. Quintez's father and stepmother expressed during a virtual press conference, though he has no history of mental illness, they feel Quintez may be in a mental health crisis. I don't know what he's going through, but this is not like him. He's not that type of kid. He's a great kid. He's a great young man. And I just feel like he's in a bad place. He needs his father. He needs his mother. He needs love. Quintez Brown is 5'10 inches, about 180 pounds, with tattoos on his upper arms and chest.

2:43:09 His family says he shaved his head and beard the day before he went missing. And authorities say his credit card was last used at a grocery store near the University of Louisville campus on June 19th. He's all about community. He's all about heaven. He's all about change. He's willing to do whatever he can for the next person. So all I ask is everybody come together as he would and try to find him. Quintez Brown's family and friends now ask for any tips that may lead to finding him. Wow, he was missing since June of last year. So he goes, yeah, goes missing, shaves his head, no history of mental illness, and disappears near the university.

2:43:51 Goes in as an anti-gun, nonviolent activist, and comes back, you know what I'm saying, a straight up taking shots at politicians. Dude. I ain't saying he's MK. Yeah, but I'm pissed because it's a damn COVID. I'm telling you, I was watching this story come by, and the most obvious part of it, I mean, first of all, I'm like, oh, man. But that it was a man. That's what I, that was the big tip-off that I was justn't kick-clicking for me. Like, oh, my goodness. This is totally burning everything.

2:44:33 They're burning the whole operation, the whole thing, and right down to the cultural core. And you know how hard it is to disappear nowadays? I mean, you had to have no cameras. Yeah, no, no devices, nothing. No devices, no nothing. It's like somebody made it just cameras everywhere. There's ring cameras. That's why he had to change his appearance. This is complete speculation. But we would ride with me for a minute. They called him in. They called it. They called it op-in. You know what I'm saying?

2:45:13 They twisted his screws in his head and they put him back out there. How do you disappear right near the university? I mean, this is Louisville. This is a major city. No cameras, no nothing. You just disappear. And no transaction on your internet. Fox News took that bait and chomped it up. Hook line and sink. Yes, sir. Hook line and sinker. And now it's bad black people are taking shots at politicians. Yeah. And it's black men. Of course it had to be a man. I mean, of course. It's so sick. So sick. But you remember, what's the other guy's name? Hawk or whatever. I called him Hawk. What's his name? This Hawk, I think.

2:45:57 Every time they wanted a black, violent man come to roll him out. Yeah. We're going to get in blood. He's talking crazy. So this is just, I think, speculating, you know, because this is kind of like end of the show kind of stuff. But it's just like, this is too convenient. This is too. So it started to make me think, we did a show about this kind of stuff. Right. Show 31. And that was Gabby Eugene Long. Three names, of course. Number 26. First off, self-preservation. It's the first law in nature. It's the same thing, same way as when America they put you on the mainstream, they put on the mainstream media that there's a new tyrant, a new enemy, and they go and physically do an assault on that country.

2:46:46 It's the same thing. And it's the same way how when I was in the Marines, I went and fought, you know, for the United States. Because it was a so-called enemy. So it's no other, it's not different from someone fighting against you and assaulting you and you protecting yourself. It's the same way. There's nothing wrong with it. You got the right to defend yourself at any moment if someone is assaulting. assaulting you. And gang stalking is an assault on you physically, mentally, spiritually, emotionally, and psychologically.

2:47:23 So you got a right to defend yourself at any moment. You got a right to preserve yourself, to preserve your life at any moment you choose, and you're going to be right. Man, you think they got some kind of MK Ultra dungeon there at the University in Louisville? I do think so. I mean, that's where Ted Kaczynski got his programming. University. Exactly. And he disappears near the university. Yeah. And for people that didn't know who that was talking, that was Gavin Eugene Long. He was the Baltimore cop killer. Yeah, the Baton Rouge copy. Excuse me. I said Baltimore. Baton Rouge cop killer. And this is him on his YouTube video talking about how he was gangstalked.

2:48:08 And for people that don't know what gangstalk is, that is when they take several different people, follow you around, move your stuff around in your house. Total manipulation of the mind to the point where it makes you crazy. And now we have this man here, no history of mental illness. All of a sudden, he shaves his head, shaves his hair off, and just disappears into the ether around the university. And then he pops back up, you know what I'm saying? Gun-wielding attempted assassin. Crazy. It doesn't make any sense. But we saw this in 2016.

2:48:46 This is how they took the pressure off with Black Lives Matter the first time. They had the two shootings, one in Dallas, one in Baton Rouge, and then they went underground until 2020. I think this is a similar case. Wow. Good one. Yeah, so if you want to hear more from, I got another clip from Gavin Eugene Long if you would like to hear it. Yeah, sure. I follow nature. I'm in tune with nature. Nowhere in nature, you're going to see a goddamn lion protesting when a gang of hyenas come to attack his ass. He ain't going to be peaceful protesting, holding up signs.

2:49:27 You're not going to see it in nature anywhere because self-preservation is the first law of nature. Every animal in nature, I know human beings are not animals, but you have the right to preserve yourself. You can choose to, or you don't have to fight back. That's the difference between human beings and animals. You have the choice, you see. But if you choose to fight back, there are no consequences. So that's the difference. So, and a lot of TIs that don't even know that harassment is a felony. Stalking with harassment is a damn felony. That's a felony charge. You definitely have the right to defend yourself.

2:50:08 And if someone is, and you know, gang stalking is, they're trying to tempt you. They're trying to make you attempt suicide. That's attempted murder. If someone is trying to attempt you to force, to force you into suicide, isn't that attempted murder? Come on now. Let's open our eyes. Get it together. Hey, defend yourself at all costs. Stand in your righteousness. Die in your righteousness. Period. Yeah. And then I have to bring up the Navy Naval Yard shooter. Yes. Gosh. Same M.O. Yeah. Hearing voices. What was that? He actually wrote a shotgun, I think. EMF or something, like electromagnetic frequency.

2:50:52 EMP. EMP, excuse me. EMP. He actually wrote that on a shotgun. He switched the hotel room like three or four times at night trying to get away from the voices. So, I mean, this is not far. I know it sounds crazy for the first time listeners. You know me. I'm all in on that, Mo. I'm good with the directed energy weapons. You bet. So now all of a sudden, this guy just comes in and pops shots at the candidate for mayor. It doesn't make any sense. Right. And like you said, Fox News ate it up like a hook, line, and sinker. Yeah. Big time. So, so that, I mean, that's a little, we had to give the people some theorem of action. So they got it. They got it.

2:51:34 Now I have a mini block I want to get into in the potluck. Okay. And this is in recent news. And this is Joe Biden nominates black woman for Supreme Court. Let's talk about it. Yes. That's right, Chef. The White House today declined to discuss the upcoming vacancy, but said President Biden stands by that campaign pledge to nominate a black woman to a lifetime appointment on the Supreme Court and pointed to the diversity of judicial nominees the president has already installed on the federal bench. Does the president believe that the current makeup of the court accurately reflects America's demographics? He has nominated a historic number of judges who are people of color, a historic, I don't know if it's a historic number of women, but a majority of the judges he has nominated are women.

2:52:20 That speaks to his desire and his interest in having courts around the country that look like America and that represent the experiences of America. President Biden has nominated 62 women to the federal judiciary, including 19 black women. Possible replacements for Justice Breyer, according to NBC News, include Judge Katanji Brown Jackson, whom the president interviewed personally for her position on the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals, seen by some as a farm league for the high court. And California Supreme Court Justice Leandra Kruger, South Carolina Democrat and Key Biden ally Jim Clyburn, has backed Judge Michelle Childs from his home state to fill the vacancy.

2:52:59 Any appointment would come at an inflection point for Mr. Biden, a potentially legacy-defining pick after a series of policy defeats and before that consequential midterm election that could cost Democrats their majority. President Biden's own experience with these nominations runs deep, chairing the Senate Judiciary Committee for eight years and witnessing firsthand the protracted failed confirmation of Judge Merrick Garland in 2016 as to whether all 50 Democrats would unite behind the president's pick. Today, the press secretary told me that's the hope. Yeah. That's the hope. The hoop. Yes. That's the hope. They already set in it, building an excuse. Yep. Yep.

2:53:39 Yep. May not be able to find a suitable candidate. Well, no, it's going to be the white supremacist Democrats that's going to keep. When you hear that, it's like, oh, we need all the Democrat votes. Now we know they've struggled to get all the Democrats on board for anything almost. Yeah. Was it Manchin and what's the other one? Manchin and Cinema. Right? They've been the white supremacists. Not my words. That's what other Democrats are calling them, right? Because they didn't vote for whatever they wanted to vote. So I think that's that they're going to be the built-in reason for him not doing it. Now, I don't think it's going to happen. But if it was to happen, I think, you see what I'm saying?

2:54:20 I know who, I think I know who's going to win. But before we say that, this is no surprise. We knew they were trying to get the Supreme Court justice in black women because they put that whole Washington Post thing out. Remember, you owe us Joe Biden. Right. Yeah. They made their list of demands then. But it's funny that 62 women were nominated. And the numbers are, they said 19. Roland Martin said eight. Eight black women out of the 62. Roland Martin has 24 black people were nominated and 24 and only eight were women.

2:55:01 So it's like twice as many black men got it and they didn't have to make any oath or pledge. So I find that interesting. Yeah. Yeah. So these numbers, these numbers are funny. So that's, I don't think they're going to get it just because they're saying that's their hope. This should be a slam dunk. I mean, this should be, you know, of all the all the Democrats should be on the same side. Now, this lends to, before I get into who I think is going to win it, this, I think they learned from Trump to say if we get what we give them what they want, they might not show up in 2024. Right. We got to keep them engaged until after 2024.

2:55:44 Because if you wanted to give them the, you know, saying you would pull everybody into the room and you say, all the Democrats say, hey, you got to vote for this. But they learned from Trump, my theory, that really messed Trump up. Yeah. When he gave the Republicans that third justice. They're like, that's. No, we don't need you. Right. So I think Joe Biden understands that and it's going to be like, well, we've tried, but you know, and I think that's why they harped on Manchin and Sinema like they did earlier because they're going to be the ones, or there'll be two or one or whatever. It would just be holes up, you know what I'm saying, upsets the albu cart. So that's my theory on it. I think they learned from Trump. All right. Now, who they're going to pick. I think they're going to pick Jim Clyburn

2:56:27 if they, if they do it. Really? They'll pick. Yes. You remember, Jim Clyburn was the kingmaker for Joe Biden. Oh, right. He needs to get paid. Exactly. Everybody said, what did he get out of this? He didn't get anything out of this. Right. Yeah, and here it is. 29. Congressman Clyburn, thank you for joining us right now. Most Democrats think you're a kingmaker. Well, thank you very much for having me. And are you pretty confident now this is wrapped up for Joe Biden? I'm sorry I didn't. Sorry, you pretty confident now this is wrapped up. up for Joe Biden?

2:57:06 Oh, yes, I am. I think that Joe Biden has run a great campaign. I think the numbers are coming in very clearly in his favor. I do believe that when things are said and done over the next 24 hours, he will be declared the winner. All of us are looking forward to that. Joe Biden is just a great guy. Exactly what the country needs at this particular point. That's what you said back in February. Take us back to that moment. I think it was the Monday before the South Carolina primary. You came out and decided it was time to endorse and embrace Joe Biden.

2:57:48 Walk us through your decision-making process. Could you imagine it would have the impact that it had? No, I did not imagine that. But I do know that I was working hard to try to. Now, go. I want you to wind up and hear his question and listen to this double talk Jim does. Okay. You came out and decided it was time to endorse and embrace Joe Biden. Walk us through your decision-making process. Could you imagine it would have the impact that it had? No, I did not imagine that. But I do know that I was working hard to try to not only make an endorsement, but to do it in such a way that it would give him a surge, which is what he needed.

2:58:31 He'd just come out of three primaries and lost all of them. It did okay in Nevada, but it was really Cap Hammers on life support. And I knew, or at least I felt I knew, that he was just the kind of guy that we needed to have our nomination. I knew that I could own this bitch. That's what he was thinking. That's exactly what he was thinking. Oh, wow. That's pretty good, Mo. I like it. That would make a lot of sense. So I think if they do it, but I think Jim's going to get, you know, saying get got. Yeah. Yeah. Because he might get strung along for a bit there. Well, you have, you can't give black people what they want.

2:59:16 You know, you know how that goes. Come on. It's like it's next time. And then you say, my hands are tied next time. And then you just rinse and repeat. And I say this very flippantly, but we've seen how this happens, even with Ice Cube, right? Yeah. Yeah. Ice Cube, call us after the election. They're going to tell Jim the same thing. But just to say, just for people saying, well, you're reading into what he said. The man said, did he know? He said, no. And he said, no, I didn't know. But then he said, I knew. And then he realized he's giving it up. And then he said, I thought I knew. How do you think you know? But just to solidify the fact that he knew that he had

3:00:01 Joe Biden right where he wanted him, here's the endorsement, the official endorsement of Joe Biden by Clyburn. Hello, I'm Congressman Jim Clyberry. We South Carolinians believe one thing. The best way to tell what a person will do is to look at what he or she has done. I know Joe Biden. I know his character, his heart, and his record. Joe Biden has stood for the hardworking people of South Carolina. We know Joe. But more importantly, he knows us. Joe will build on President Obama's legacy, protect and expand the Affordable Care Act and take on the NRA. In South Carolina, we choose presidents. When President Clinton came to South Carolina, we launched him to the White House.

3:00:45 When President Obama came to South Carolina, we launched him to the White House. Now Joe Biden is in South Carolina, and we are going to launch him to the White House. I'm calling on you to stand with Joe Biden. Yay. I thought you didn't know, Jim. That's right. I thought I knew. I didn't kind of know, you know. But then he goes on list all the presidents that they, you know, saying, yeah, you know, that put on, you're saying, to put a put in the office. What, me? A kingmaker? Me, a kingmaker? No, not really. And that would be his legacy, you know what I'm saying? By getting up the Supreme Court. So all this, I say all this to say,

3:01:27 all this, you know, going out and saying, oh, it's Joe, you always, you know what I'm saying, by the COVID, the Boulet, the Boule Coven. Right. It was Jim the whole time that had the cards. No kidding. It was Jim the whole time. So we're going to see how it plays out. But there is one observation that everybody has made about the majority of these possible people to be confirmed as the next. next Supreme Court justice. A lot of them have white husbands. Oh, really? No. Yes.

3:02:09 So much so that this is probably the greatest piece of pandering in Mo Facts with Adam Curry history. The next one we're about to play. This is not hyperbole. Strap folks strap in. This is Michael Eric Dyson taping, you know what I'm saying, for the Supreme Court Justice and Joe Biden. And I know some people got a problem with some of these women married to white men. Yeah, I'm going to go there this morning. Oh my God. Well, look, I don't know their situation, but this is what I do know. Some of them, a lot of them are dark-skinned black women, and some Negroes got a problem seeing the beauty in dark-skinned black women.

3:02:52 Don't you be mad because a white boy came along and saw what you threw away. I ain't saying that's everybody. I ain't saying that's everything. I'm not saying it's universal. But before you rag on them, understand the story. Some of these darker-skinned black women don't get no love. Would be could be at a place like Harvard, Princeton, and Yale, and the brothers dating all white women. Now, that's their choice if they want to do that. But look, kind of, look at the demonization of darkness. Look at the chocolate charm that's being overlooked. Look at it. And we got everything in the book: vanilla vitality, caramel cuteness, chocolate charm, mocha magic. We got it all, bruh. Bruh. And yet we overlooked that, right? Because we think that the white man's water is where.

3:03:37 And skin and flesh is sweeter and sexier. So don't be mad at black women who refusing to be by themselves if they wanted to be a partner accepted the love and devotion of a white man who saw their value beyond their skin in a way that certain black men could or saw the beauty and value in their skin. Not transcending their darkness, inhabiting it in delicious fashion. But that's another story. Now, when was this right afterwards? No. Yes. The evil, so the evil white patriarchy man

3:04:17 is smart by finding by finding and loving the lowly down dark-skinned one. It was so, it was so patronizing and at the same time disrespectful to the dark-skinned women. Yeah, of course. And while we talk about this, I want you to Google Michael Eric Dyson's wife. While we talk about this, but the point I'm trying to make is this: he went straight method, man, like chocolate deluxe, butter picking rig. You know what I'm saying? Be calling me Poppy. You know what I'm saying? Like, bro, what is you talking about? You know what I'm saying? What are you talking about? And then say that, like, he bought into them being dark-skinned in something less than.

3:05:00 So it's weird what he did, but I've never heard somebody pander so hard. Marsha Louie Dyson, is she an heiress? I don't know what she is, but you're saying she's of the lighter hue. I know that's much. But my point is this: these are the same people that just shredded Clarence Thomas all the time. And I don't, I'm not here to take over Clarence Thomas, but what I'm saying is the hypocrisy for him having a white wife. You know what I'm saying? Like, yo, he's a sellout.

3:05:41 He's the big, he wouldn't even marry a sister. But then, when it's on the Democratic side, now you see what I'm talking about in the first place. Are you sure she's white? I didn't say that. I said she's light. Light, light. Okay, light. Now he's talking about dark, these dark-skinned sisters. Michael Eric Dyson, why are you? I mean, because like I said, you love who you love. I don't get into the colors argument. What I'm saying is that he accuses brothers, as he said, wanting to go either light or white, but he did the same thing. And then he wants to demonize. And we saw the same thing happen with

3:06:24 Roland Martin. The whole thing came up about Kamala Harris married to a white man. It's like the black men are haters. They're hate. They're hateful. They hate. So it made me wonder: why is Michael Eric Dyson so easily persuaded? So I had to do a check on him. Uh-oh. And I found ADL slams MSNBC pundit Michael Eric Dyson for comparing Clarence Thomas to Jews who sided with Hitler. So that's what they got on him, huh? Could this be how they can just yank his chain anytime they want to?

3:07:04 And they can get him off NBC anytime they want to or get him kicked out. I think he's at Georgetown now anytime they want to because they can bring this up. I'll bet. So you see how it works? Yep. Unbelievable. Yeah, this is like I said, people think I make this stuff up, but no, no, no, no, no. It's a mess. It's just fascinating how he went full just black men hate dark skin. What are you talking about? Nobody's saying that. It's the fact that we're just seeing this trend. What's the head of the Justice Department, civil rights, Kristen? Yes. Yeah. White man.

3:07:48 Kamala Harris, white man. Most of these sisters here. And I can say you love who you love. That's not the point. But when we start to question this trend, like y'all talk black, but y'all sleep white. And that reason why I bring that up because it's a double standard. Because anytime a black man's with a white problematic disqualifier. So that's my whole point of bringing that up. And it's just like, I've never seen the level of pandering. You got out in Fats Family. Y'all know what we're going to do in the Lost Tapes. So y'all better show up. I got the video. I mean, it's an actual video. This guy is ridiculously pandering. And he has to be aware how it's going to come across.

3:08:33 Or he's not, you know what I'm saying, fit to do the job he's doing if he's not aware how it's going to come across. But when they got leverage on it, you got to do and say what you got to say. You got to do the same thing with all of them. So, I mean, that's just, you know what I'm saying? That was the B slash C block. I'm saying talking about Joe Biden. And also on Fats Fam, we're going to talk about them crack pipes too. And I will, uh, uh, the Joe Biden's handing out. And I'm going to ask this: I'm not a drug person. You know what I'm saying? I wasn't in Hollywood around these kinds of things. I'm not saying you are a drug person, but isn't a crackpipe and a meth pipe the same kind of thing? I can't. I don't know. I would assume so. I mean, I try to Google and they all look the same to me.

3:09:14 I don't know if they function in different ways, but you know how they label it as crack pipes to make it for racial and racial. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. In general, I would say, well, I think metal straws. I really don't know, Moe. But what I'm just saying is like just black people and crackpipe. But we're going to talk about that. You know what I'm saying? Right. Instead of meth pipe, it's crackpipe, and that always insinuates black drug addicts. Right. Yeah. So that's just that part of Maxine Waters. I don't know. For some reason, when I hear crackpipe, I always think of Maxine Waters. I don't know why. I don't know why. Well, the thing is, like you're saying, she knew what was happening out in California when who was bringing all the drugs in the UCIA.

3:09:54 You know what I'm saying? And all of a sudden she got quiet. Maybe it was because of her associations with being anti-Semitic. I don't know. Maybe. I'm just saying, probably. But that's the end of the C slash B slash C block. And we got to think some more producers. I like brand new money. I just, I don't want any money around me. It's not. I'd almost rather have a new one than an old 20. That's kind of dumb. But there's something about new money that excites you. You like $100 bills? Oh, man. I like old money too. Oh, most beautiful thing on earth is a $100 bill. I haven't seen a woman as good looking as a $100 bill.

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3:14:42 This as another artist asked Spotify to remove music in protest. And we see Zarine Sean has more. Good morning, Zareen. Good morning, Eva. We cannot even tell you the first letter of the word that Joe Rogan once repeatedly used. That is how bad it is. The star podcaster now coming under even greater scrutiny. You can't even say N-word anymore. We can't even mention the first letter. Oh, no. Let me guess. N-word has actually been banned. And people know we'll never, on my part, we'll never discuss the N-word on this show because it's so triggering. You know what I'm saying? Or, you know, just I understand the weight of you. You do as well, of course.

3:15:25 But it's gotten so sensitive. The reason why I brought it up and why you stopped, I'm glad you did, but I was going to see if you caught it. You can't even say N-word anymore. Let alone the actual N-word. This is the first time I heard this. I've never heard this. I've never heard this. All right, back to the clip. Good morning, Eva. We cannot even tell you the first letter of the word that Joe Rogan once repeatedly used. That is how bad it is. The star podcaster now coming under even greater scrutiny. This morning, Spotify reportedly removing over 70 episodes of the Joe Rogan experience from their platform.

3:16:02 This comes as the embattled podcaster is now apologizing for what he says is a regretful and shameful use of a racial slur multiple times over several years on his show. There's no context where a white person is ever allowed to say that word, never mind, publicly on a podcast. And I agree with that now. I haven't said it in years. Rogan's use of the racial slur resurfacing after RB singer Indy R.E. posted a compilation spanning several years on Instagram. You know, saying the word is just like saying it's a video that's made of clips taken out of context.

3:16:44 context of me of 12 years of conversations on my podcast, and it's all smushed together, and it looks horrible, even to me. Well, I think we are the two guys to talk about this now, aren't we? I think we're the only two guys. Yeah, I think we actually come with qualifications for this one. Right. And skin in the game, because we do have the Jonamo producers. Yeah. And, you know, I know you and Joe are cool. Yeah. But at the same time, hey, when you're in the media, we got to talk about it. And that's what we're going to do. I just want to say one thing I heard in that clip, which I only realize now.

3:17:22 He said that's a word as a white man, I should never use. And then he said, let alone publicly on a podcast. I found that interesting. So is he saying nobody should use it on a podcast? No, the way I want to hear what you heard. What I heard was, well, it may be okay if I do it in private. Am I reading too much into it? No, because the way I heard it was, no, he should never say it. And it should never be said on a podcast. Well, he said, disproportionately forever saying. Yeah. He said, let alone, well, but he said a white man publicly on a podcast.

3:18:01 That's, I don't know. I don't know. See, the thing with Joe is I know him as a very sweet, very charitable, incredibly kind man to everybody. So, you know, that's just how I know him. Right. So it's hard for me to even think that he could, that he could say, think that it, oh, but I can do that in private. I'm just covering all the bases here. And the thing is like this is how I see it. All the way he said it was taken out of context. And that's not what I found offensive. And we're going to get to what me as a

3:18:45 black man found offensive. Because if you're saying in context or reading lyrics or album titles or something like that. Or quoting movie lines, it's kind of like, as a media person, are you allowed to say that? I don't know. You know what I'm saying? If I would have heard it real time and I understand the context. But what I'm saying is, one, this was a hit. Oh, yeah. This was a clear, I want to make it clear. This was a clear hit. The COVID stuff wouldn't work. And so they had to say, you know what? Who can we piss off to get him off of here? We can't do it ourselves. Once again, they go back to the workers.

3:19:25 It's like, well, let's throw this out here. Let's get a dark-skinned woman. Yep. Because that played into it. Let's get a dark-skinned woman to come out here to say she was offended by it. And whatever these clips are being surfaced and going around or whatever like that. And that was the whole point. Now, the reason why I find this disrespectful is they look at black people like we're attack dogs that they can just point and say sick and we go sick. Right. And this goes back to the first block. If we ain't calling the hit, we ain't doing your dirty work for you.

3:20:05 That's the whole, that's the whole point about it. It's just like, this is this is about autonomy. I'm not your, I'm not your guard dog. And this makes me think of Animal Farm. Remember when the pigs took over, they took the dogs in the house and they trained the dogs and that's how they maintain power on the farm? This is exactly the case of that. They think black people are their attack dogs. And I was so proud of black people for the most part. It was like, no, we're not doing that. We're not doing your dirty work for you. You cancel them yourself. But without us getting involved, they really couldn't get him down. Now, another thing about that first clip, the reason why I don't think they said the N-word, they don't want to destroy Joe.

3:20:49 They want to co-opt him. Oh, for sure. Oh, definitely. And he's. We don't want to, you know, we don't want to ruin him. You know what I'm saying? Rough him up a little bit. He's useful. No, he's useful. And he's got an open microphone, which we now have already pressured him into saying, yeah, yeah, yeah. I want to have one, you know, one opinion on the next show. I'll get another opinion on. So that's, that's the pressure to have certain type of voices heard. Right. And I would like to take the time to say, you know what I'm saying? I don't know if you want to talk about this now, but I feel it's necessary to talk about it. I did call you and I know Joe's your friend. And it's like this. If one of my friends, say, just say star, for instance, if Star was in a jam, you know what I'm saying?

3:21:33 I would like to have the ability to opt out like, hey, Adam, you know what I'm saying? I don't really want to talk about this. But I'll guarantee. guarantee to the producers and the Fats family, if we ever did that, we would still come here and talk about why we don't want to talk about it. You know what I'm saying? It's just because I understand and I'm aware of if we don't talk about it, then it's like, oh, Adam, you know what I'm saying, pulling Mo's chain. Yeah. So, yes, Mo called me, and I didn't even understand what you were asking initially. You're like, you know, have you talked about the Rogan thing? And I'm like, yeah, I talked about the Rogan thing. Is he on No Agenda and all this? And I was like, oh, you mean the N-word thing? No. No, of course not. There's only one man in the world that I need to talk about that with on a podcast.

3:22:16 And if I asked Dvorak, he'd say, man, you need to talk to Mo about that. And so, and this is this to me. And I, the way I perceive Joe, my friend Joe, is he'd be actually very delighted if he heard that we were the ones discussing this the way only we can. And it's a hell of a lot more useful, I think, for us to do that than most. Right. So the thing I was like I said, once again, the thing I was upset by one, a couple things upset me. One, that people think they can just say attack and we attack. We don't work like that. Those days are over. You know what I'm saying? It's still people's going, I'm saying, just fly out the handle.

3:22:59 But no, what am I getting out of it? Attack and take him down. Yeah, I heard a lot of black people pushing back. It's like, well, you know, I mean, they didn't really, they just, we have like, a little bit of mumbling out of context. There was no uprising, if that's what you mean. And it's because it was the this is how dumb they think we are. It was so thinly veiled. It's fresh off of the COVID attacks. And then you come right back with the racist attack. Yeah. And I don't want to put anything out into the ether, but you know, there's going to be another attack. If you're saying, if you don't understand, you know what I'm saying,

3:23:38 you know, he needs to stay in line. And this goes to show you this, how this is how the media works. Now, I want to get to the second part of the India Ari. Yeah, the GMA clip. Are we protesting Rogan's language, requesting Spotify remove her music? My hope is that some of my artist friends would follow and come along with me because one of the hashtags I put on my post was, What if we all leave? There is absolutely no circumstance that a white person should be using that racial slur. Period. Spotify has faced growing pressure over Rogan's show, artists like Joni Mitchell and Neil Young taking down their recordings over Rogan spreading COVID misinformation.

3:24:20 Spotify right now is finding itself in a very serious predicament because on the one hand, they say they don't censor creators, but they've also got people saying things that are untrue and potentially damaging in a public health sense and racist on their platform. They've got to draw the line somewhere. Dwayne The Rock Johnson initially showed support for Joe Rogan through the COVID controversy, but he appears to be distancing himself now, tweeting that he did not know about the use of the racial slur. Meanwhile, Spotify has not publicly commented on the recent controversy. Yeah, The Rock. The Rock had that bullet call. You see, he's got a big time.

3:25:06 He got that call. I don't care how big you think you are, Rock. You know what I'm saying? They were like, hey, step out the way. And I'm sure they said, hey, Rock, you know that spot on the Super Bowl you got coming up? It'd be a shame if you know we got pulled. Yeah. You know, that kind of thing. So just like I said, that's exactly what happened with him. That's exactly what happened with him. I know how it goes down. But the thing is, is this hearing it in comments, hearing it in context, that didn't really upset me. But I was upset with some of the stuff he said. I'm going to keep it 100 with you. And I always keep him saying 100 with the Fats family.

3:25:51 And I think, and I, as we talked briefly before the show about this, I think I anticipate what you took offense at, which I wholeheartedly agree with. It may be more, but we'll find out. So what we're going to do is we'll get to that. But India IRI even got reeled in. It's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, they're calling Joe a racist. You need to go out here and clean it up that he's not a racist. And I'm like, hold on, why would she post that then? If it wasn't, she didn't think he was racist. It's that she wanted a better cut for artists on Spotify. And this is the problem with this whole argument is, and that's Neil Neil Young has always been angry with Spotify.

3:26:35 It's about Spotify, not about Joe Rogan. They're just taking advantage of it. My God, we had Elton John, Phil Collins, a whole bunch of British artists. I think Paul McCartney, maybe just a year ago, trying to start a campaign against Spotify and streaming payments, which, believe it or not, all that money is going to the record companies who own their asses, own their masters, and they cut the deal. They even got stock in Spotify. That's how corrupt that Spotify business is with the music. And they know it. They know what happened. I will say to India, I read the same thing I said in the first block.

3:27:17 If you got got, it's your own fault. You signed that contract. That's right. So you can't come and whine and complain and try to leverage black people's emotion and pain. That's why I found more sick about it from her side. You know what you're doing. You know what that word invokes. You know what I'm saying? And you know, the inferiority complex that comes along with that word. And most of the time, I'm going to be honest with you. Most of the time, when a white person calls you that, you're probably doing something right because they don't want you to keep doing it. So it's like, so it's like, stop it. But that's all I'm going to say about that word. Because I mean, like I said, it's so you can't, you can't. That's one of the things you really can't empathize on because the way it's designed.

3:28:01 But let's go ahead and get into Indy Ire talking to Don Donald Donald Lemon. Yes, and say about how she was upset, but not really upset. After highlighting a barrage of racist language repeatedly used by Joe Rogan, but she says she's not looking for him to be canceled. And singer-songwriter Indy Ire joins me now. India, you know, I love you. I loved you. I love you since the moment I met you. I'm meaning your music. So thank you for joining us. I think you're, you're, I think you have a very nuanced perspective about this, and I really respect it. You say that Joe Rogan has spurred this protest, but it's not actually about him. What's it about, ma'am? I love you too. And you're about to make me cry by playing I Am Light in my intro.

3:28:48 You know, so it's about a confluence of energies because there is Joe Rogan, his insensitive language around race. There's that. And there's also Spotify in their treatment of artists, and there's that. So you were a listener and you said you just started tuning out. And what did you mean by when you held your hand up and you said you have an issue with Spotify because you have this and then you have, what do you mean by that? Explain to the viewer. Well, I feel like the average person confuses celebrity culture. I'm going to hold my hand up again because my opinions are always nuanced. I think human beings were nuanced.

3:29:31 So I feel like the average person confuses celebrity culture with being a working musician. Yeah. Okay. That was the whole point of it. We want a better cut. Yeah. I think we should all go. That was talking about, that wasn't talking about black people. That was talking to other artists. You know what I'm saying? Let's hold. It was a strike. It was a worker strike or a threat of a worker strike. And what's, I mean, like, what's so funny? And I'm sorry, just to interrupt about Spotify. No worries. If you really want to hear some offensive shit, listen to some of the music on Spotify. I mean, there's a lot of

3:30:10 songs about black men killing black men. No, there's actually artists that kill black men and rap about killing black men. Yeah. Let's just keep it funky. There's actually beat women and rap about it. I'm just going to stay at the killing. There's actually a deaf culture. And shouts out to my man A.O. Kaseko. He is doing another YouTuber. He's doing this whole thing about the rat trap. And they have, there's an actual interactive game of murder going on between rappers right now where they're killing each other and Spotify plays this music.

3:30:53 And they talk about all the people they kill and who they're going to kill. I'm talking about listening, like so-and-so got shot. So-and-so got shot. So-and-so got shot. And you hear it like that person that raps about it, he'll end up in the news. He's dead. And then they'll come back. The other side will come back and say, so-and-so got shot. They go down the list and he'll get shot. Chicago, Memphis, you know what I'm saying? All these towns, and they have no problems off of this. How do we call that category? Well, it's just, it's called drill rap. I mean, you probably heard it come up, you're saying that with the. mayor of New York and say he's trying to do something with it. Yeah. But it's a whole culture.

3:31:35 It's like an interactive, it's like, it's like Grand Theft Auto, but in real life. And all they want to do is go around and they rap about who got killed. And you're saying, and then when you do that, that's disrespect. So that puts a target on your back. And what they call the ops or the other side comes and try to kill you. And Spotify profits off of this. And you're like, so, oh, I'm more upset about that. Dead black men and the prophet of dead black men than I am about saying a podcaster saying the n-word. Now, oh, hold on. But we ain't going to let you out the hook. I know I can feel the eyes rolling. We can't let y'all out the hook. I'm going to tell you what upset me about Joe. Joe, if you're listening, I'm just got to keep it 100 with you, bro. That monkey stuff.

3:32:20 I knew it. That monkey stuff. Yeah. That lends to black people being subhuman. And I can't give you a pass on that one. Full stop. I can't give you a pass on that one because that lands into the justification of slavery because they're subhuman. So we have to be their protectors. And I know he didn't mean it that way, but what I'm saying is that's far more offensive. It's offensive. And it's not even offense. It's triggering. And like I said, this goes into the racial programming of it's like they're subhuman. So hold on, like, hold on.

3:33:05 I'm subhuman. So that means, you know, you think, you know, I can't think, but in fairness, this is where we're going to get the full context. I have the whole clip of Joe Rogan talk about the planet of the apes. And we can go through it. We can listen to it. You can stop it anytime you want. You have to listen to the whole clip. But this is what, when, like I said, when I heard that whole clip of what she played, and I've heard this planet of the apes thing before, and people have been upset about it before. So it's nothing new there, but I have to give a full analysis of how it's received. So hopefully, you know what I'm saying, people can learn from it and understand why it's offensive, the monkey thing. And I'll say that I can't, because I've thought about this. I heard that too. And all of this has been around.

3:33:49 I've seen that. I've seen the N-word clips. And, you know, so I was actually quite surprised it hadn't been compiled pre, you know, there's some other stuff about women. And most of that's, most of that seems like grainy old video. So I don't really know the context. It was, there was years and years of Joe Rogan experience. I was never interested because it just seemed like a bunch of dudes hanging out, you know, drinking, smoking, and talking crap. So it never really became interesting until the long form interviews, till Joe perfected his format. But I cannot personally think of any instance where I would use this, make this comparison, not in a joke, nothing.

3:34:32 It's baffling to me. Now, I have not heard the whole thing in context, so it'll help. We have everything here. Yes, it's the whole, it's like five minutes, some odd seconds, continuous. I just split up in clips so we have space to, you know, so you didn't have to stop it physically. You know, it's the whole five minutes of no like no interruption. So I just want to play it so people can hear it. And I'll give my commentary on it and you can give me your feedback or you can hear what you heard and maybe give your, you're saying your feedback. You got it on it. You got it. So let's go ahead and get into 36. So anyway, we can't go to there. So I go, you got to go to one where there's Planet of the Apes, man. We're going to go see Planet of the Apes.

3:35:13 So I look on the iPhone app and it says, okay, take me to this one. And the guy goes, okay, I go, is that in a good neighborhood? He's like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Guy barely speaks English. He takes us there. We get out and we're giggling. Ooh, you see Planet of the Apes. We walk into Planet of the Apes. We walked into Africa, dude. We walked in the door and there was no white people. There was no white people. Planet of the Apes didn't take place in Africa. That was a racist thing for me to say. You see what I'm saying? What I'm saying is you automatically stuck to your hand. Yeah, what happened is we walked into the blackest neighborhood we could find. I mean, there was literally no white people. It was amazing. And everybody was super cool.

3:35:54 You know, it wasn't a negative experience. And this is something I wrote on Twitter that we all went to see Planet of the Apes in a Black Neighborhood, an experience I highly recommend. And all these fucking people started calling me a racist. I mean, dozens of Twitter people, dude, I didn't know you were racist. Fuck you. Like black people were saying, fuck you. I'm like, listen, man, I am saying it was a positive experience. I said, I highly recommend it. And it was a black neighborhood. All right. So you want to hear what I heard? Sure. what I heard was, and how I could take it. We hung out with monkeys, but it was cool. They were cool monkeys, like you know what? Kind of like you went to this, like a petting zoo.

3:36:35 Like, man, I was scared to go in there with those monkeys, but when I got in there, everything was cool. Hold on, so, so, wait a minute. So, the but the original premise, if I understand properly, is they wanted to see the movie Planet of the Apes in a completely black neighborhood. I don't know. I don't think, I don't know if that's the only place it was available and that's where they went. I don't know, but what I'm just saying is to think that it wouldn't be cool, that's the racist part of it, you know. Right, to think like you know what I'm saying, like we were gonna like be crapping in our hands and throwing it at the screen. That what I'm saying, that's how it's perceived. Now, he even acknowledged that saying it was in Africa was racist, so he's self-aware.

3:37:18 Well, hold on, let me know. He's not self-aware how it lands, is what I'm saying. No, of course, of course. How does it how does so? Understand the monkey comparison when he says, Dude, there were no white people there. How does that hit you? I don't care. I don't care about that. It's about the subhuman part is that what upsets people. And it's not about looking like a monkey because I think that's what people think. Like, oh, you know, you look there brown. No, it's the comparison. Yeah, it's the actual intelligence thing. That's that's the thing that think that we're subhuman, like we're the missing link, you know what I'm saying, on the evolution chain.

3:38:00 And a lot of this goes into Darwism. See, now we, we are, we, we, like, this is a good setup for another show I got, how science itself is racist. The same science y'all want us to trust and believe in. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. So, that's that's another reason why I set this up the way I did because this only lends to you know saying, like, we're subhuman. And when we have intelligence, that's the that's the you know saying, oh, wow, it's a smart one, you know what I'm saying? And that's where the talented Terrence Boulet stuff comes from. Is that, oh, we got a smart one here. Oh, we got like, well, well, why would I be the anomaly? I don't, I don't understand that. Mo, you're different. That's not now. You see why the different thing is racist.

3:38:42 Uh-huh. Of course. I've never said that to you. Have I ever said that? Have I been a douche like that? I don't think I would say that. Well, what different can be used in different ways. Different of you don't have the political views as most people. Yeah, it's already loaded, though. That's what, but like I said, it's about how things are received because it's processed through the racial programming. Well, I don't, I don't think Joe has any idea how this was received. He does now, of course, but I think he still doesn't really, really understand it. And hopefully, when he hears this, because I know he listens, so hopefully, he'll get it. And that's like me saying, hey, Adam, you jump pretty high for a white guy.

3:39:26 It's like, excuse me? Like, you know, or you know, that kind of thing. Oh, you got some good rhythm for a white guy. Yeah, unfortunately. Unfortunately, you know, the racial programming I have is that is meant to immediately be. I know, right? It's immediately. I'm not supposed to be offended by that. That is, that is a, that's a laugh line. Is that because that's how it's portrayed in the media? That's correct. You know, it's, it's the fact that it's supposed to be a compliment, I think. If you say, yeah, you got some rhythm. You got some rhythm, Adam. Like, you know, it's supposed to be, but what are you saying? Like, 90% of white people don't have rhythm. I mean, I don't understand how that's supposed to work, you know. But at the same time, let me say that. I will say, amongst my white brothers and sisters, there's a lot of clapping on the one and the three.

3:40:11 I have to admit that. Hey, man, y'all got, it's just, just, it's just different vibes. Like, river dance. Like, hey, bro. River dancing. You know what I'm saying? Hey, I get mad. I'd love to be some river dancing. It's just a different rhythm. We all got, that's the whole point. We all got rhythm is just different rhythms. You know, we got all got intelligence. It's just different intelligence. Sure. You see what? So that's what we had to appreciate. But we had to understand the media shapes things in a certain way. Where, you know, for years or years or years of portraying black people as monkeys, not the fact of being a monkey, but it's like you have the intelligence of a subhuman.

3:40:52 I got to tell you this story. I have to share this. I'm sure she will be. We're going back to our school teacher. And she got in huge trouble, like massive trouble. And it was a total fuck up. So remember, she's advanced placement. So, you know, but it is public school. And there was this one, I think it was an Asian girl. It was before class. And the Asian girl is showing. showing, and she has a cute little purse with a little monkey on it, you know. And so they're just chatting. And then another girl walks in, another student, and this is a very loving public school teacher and says, Hey, monkey, how you doing?

3:41:34 Now, why she said that is a term of endearment. She had just seen a monkey on the on the on this little purse. And of course, the student who had just come in was black. I mean, oh no. Oh, yeah. But that's what she triggered. And like, that's the same thing else. And it's, and, and, and because I, I, I know our school teacher. She's not racist, but holy crap. I mean, that was almost career ending for her. I bet it was because it's about how it was received. And the little girl was traumatized. Of course. Of course. Of course. So anyway, that was just an example of how trauma, even though this was a real mess up and she clearly didn't mean to call the student a monkey, but how deep, deeply triggering that was.

3:42:27 And this, the whole thing, it was an uproar. And the racial programming can also be intra-race. Yes. Because right now, it's black people sitting on the edge of their seat to see how I'm going to handle this. And I'm aware of that. Okay, I'm ready. I know where we're going. No, I'm just saying, but that's, that's the whole thing. Like, it's, it's the, oh, well, I gotta, I gotta say something, but you know, should I say something? Should I not say something? I mean, these thoughts go in your head, but me, I don't know. I'm maybe I'm just crazy like that. I mean, that's, I mean, I get it from my dad. It's like, I'm going to say what I feel, you know, and if you don't like me because of that, I mean, so be it.

3:43:06 But I got to say, I mean, I got to say how I feel, or I can't live with myself. And that goes back into the point of how I made our decision I made. I have to live with myself at the end of the day. You know, because I mean, when this is all said and done, like with a shot, I couldn't live with myself. That's why I made the decision. Speaking on this, you know what I'm saying? I gave you the opt out because, like I said, if somebody comes down with one of my friends, but we will still come here and say, you know what? We're not going to talk about this. And this is why. And we're still going to have a conversation. No, no, no. This is this is the actual learning moment from it all. Everything that did on mainstream and his apologies is, oh, whatever. But this is the learning. This is, this is where you can really understand what the real problem is. Exactly.

3:43:47 So let's go ahead and get into 37. And we get in there, right? And we're so giggly hard. We're like, oh, we're so hot. And then I realized, like, whoa, everyone's black here. Like, well, I mean, everyone's black. This is crazy. And then a bunch of people recognize me and they start wanting to take in pictures. And it's all good. Everybody's cool and friendly. Cool as shit. Cool as shit. Like this guy goes, yo, man, I don't, where I know you from. I don't want to bother you, man. I'm not trying to use up your time. Where I know you from. I go, Fear Factor. I go, Yeah, that's it. You made this. It's the way he said it was like so cool. And we're giggling. Oh, no one did the Smoke Rocks thing, but I took a lot of goddamn pictures. And like I said, super cool, super friendly. This is not a negative story. So then we go into the movie theater, right?

3:44:27 It's me, Tommy, and like maybe there's another white person, maybe one other white person. Movie theater filled with black people and they are having a good fucking time. You know how people always complain that black people talk to the movie theater and talk to screen. Yes, they do. Yes, they do. But it's good. That's the experience. Yeah, if that's what you know. So the way I felt, like, I'm like, look, I'm in their neighborhood. This is how they go to the movies. Who the fuck am I to be offended by how they like to go to the movies? Okay. So I respect that because he realized that he was saying, hey, I'm in their territory or in their neighborhood, wherever you want to put it. Hey, they talk to the movies, you know what I'm saying?

3:45:05 The movie screen. That's what we're going to do. And I will say I had this experience, Times Square, 1988, when Times Square was still dangerous. And I went to the premiere of Coming to America. And I'd only been in New York for about a year and a half. And it was one of the most exhilarating experiences I've ever had. I'd never been to a movie theater like that ever. Because we're the OG reaction videos. It was. That's what, like, the same thing. Like, right now they have a YouTube reaction. We, we, we, Black History Month, we started that.

3:45:43 It was, it was, it was. And remember, I was, I was basically, uh, I really didn't know much at all about black American culture because I'd grown up in Europe. And, you know, that's why I would walk on Times Square. I was, you know, clearly a very pasty white guy. I was never, I'm never afraid of anything or anybody because I walked among color all the time. That's how I grew up. But that was, that was a phenomenal experience. So that part, I totally understand. I didn't actually know that the theater would be like nine. 99% black. Yeah, but we have a different experience when we watch movies. You know what I'm saying? Like, oh, fun.

3:46:23 That kind of thing. But that's just culturally us. Yeah. And that's the beauty. Like I said, just appreciate the beauty of it. And the thing, like I said, he went into this. And the only thing I take offense to is, why wouldn't you think it would be cool? What would make you think that it wouldn't be cool? Well, that's his programming. Right. That's my point. It's like that my programming is triggering off his program. They're like, why wouldn't you think? But isn't that what we know? Isn't that why, in the words of Malcolm, the only way we're going to figure this shit out is we sit down, we talk about it. Because it turns out, hey, you know, it's like, I thought you were going to be triggered about my being triggered about your being triggered of thinking me being triggered.

3:47:05 And it's all dumb. And then we do this weird dance and be awkward around each other. It's just like, you know what? This is how I feel. Like, well, you know what? I don't feel that way. But like I said, the only thing I took away from it was the thinking he was in planet of the ape. It's like, yeah. But now I'm not, we're not subhuman. No, no, no, but that that's, I don't know. It's just, it that comes from years and years and years and decades and centuries of black people just will wild out on you at any moment. It's no, that's not how that works. Well, let's let's see what else. Is there anything else triggering in this bit? Let's go ahead and go to 38. They were at the movies. And I'm not saying all black neighborhoods do this, but this particular black neighborhood, these people brought babies, bro.

3:47:50 I mean, there's a lot of people with babies. Yeah. I mean, it wasn't just one. These, these people in front of us walked in and they had toddlers, like little two-year-olds, sitting on their lap to see Planet of the Fucking Apes at like 10:40 on a Friday. They didn't give a fuck about it. I didn't give a fuck. Didn't give a fuck. But I'll tell you what made me really nervous and made me feel kind of weird was watching all of these previews of all these different TV shows or all these different movies rather than that are coming out. And I'm watching these movies and all of them are about white people. Oh, weird. And I'm sitting there and I'm going, wow, this is weird. Like, imagine being a blank person.

3:48:30 And I always thought like people would complain. Like, I'd hear black people complain about, you know, oh, there's no films for black people. There's no roles for black actors. And I'd be like, so go make a movie. What do you want from me? You know, but when you go to a goddamn movie theater with all black people, that's when you really feel it. I'm sitting there in the audience and all these people are black, but every movie preview is white. Well, that's Joe getting some awareness right there. You only get awareness from experience. That's right. And that's why if when you go in a room, just like with the like going back to the A-block,

3:49:12 when you bring somebody into, you're saying you want to make somebody aware that they offended you, you educate them. And that's why the Jewish people do that. Like, I'm saying, let me make sure it's clear. We're going to say, we're going to have a rabbi come talk to you. Right. And educate you on why this is important. But they don't want us to do that. They want us to be upset, mad. Right. That way it doesn't get solved. And then we go and then they always can keep us as the attack dog. And when I say they, I mean the capital T-H-E. Why? They. Because it's functional for them. It's like, well, when anybody's going to take somebody down, you know what I'm saying?

3:49:54 We can say something, say they said something right. So doesn't that say a lot? I mean, you're hearing about the fans who, once they recognize it was Joe in the theater, doesn't that say a lot about how really interestingly how mature we are that there wasn't that black America didn't immediately go into outrage and start yelling say, well, you know, we kind of know Joe Rogan. He may be, I'm just paraphrasing. You tell me if I'm off base. Like, we know Joe Rogan. He doesn't seem like, you know, he fucked up and he's got to know, which, of course, there's never any designated person who does that. There's a whole bunch of douchebags.

3:50:36 Yeah. I would say the bigger lender to that was we understood that somebody was trying to trigger us. Right, right. We're not going to do your dirty work for them. Now, if we, like I said, if we were trying to call the takedown, how it goes is, hey, Joe, if I'm saying, if I'm, if I'm the call in the shots, hey, Joe, we need to talk. You know, in that clip you were talking about the monkeys, you know, how you said it wasn't a representation, you know what I'm saying, on the only white people on the screen? You empowered to do something about that now, Joe. You know what I'm saying? I would hate for, you know what I'm saying? We could definitely work this out, Joe. This is transaction. transactional. This is how it works. This is how mature people work things out.

3:51:13 This is transactional. Now, what we're gonna do, it was Black History Month too, Hanjo. Uh, what we're gonna need is uh, we're gonna need some uh black people on your show all of this month, and then we're gonna need to talk to some of your Hollywood fans about that lack of representation in Hollywood. That that's how you work these things out on a transactional level, but they wanted us to be on an emotional level, and that's why you didn't see the outcry that you saw because people are getting hip to the timing of that's great, that's improvement, that's winning. That's you're getting what is getting emotional about something get you other than you know, emotional release, and then you go back to the same circumstance that you were in, you know, when you can say you can leverage, you know, your yo, I mean, it's leverage.

3:52:00 I mean, it is what it is. I mean, that's business, you know, anytime you could leverage something over somebody, you know, and it's not about destroying them, it's just like you admit it yourself as lack of representation, right? You know, do something about it, you know. And let me address one more thing before we get to this last clip. There were some other things that guests he had on there, talking about the bell curve and black people or people of color or uh proponent are more uh likely to be violent and that kind of stuff. I don't want any of that taken down because what I would rather have is scholars come in and debate you and prove you wrong. See, we need to stop this. Oh, we need to, oh, this is hurtful. Check it out, take it out. No,

3:52:43 invite, y'all have a list. Here's a list of people we want to invite those guys back that's pushing the bell curve and all this other stuff. And I'm gonna bring these guys over and we're gonna have a debate. Now, the only thing now, the only thing I'm gonna push back on that because Joe Rogan's show is not a debate show, and everybody wants to do this. Everybody wants Joe to have two people on debating. That's not what that show is. So, I'm gonna push back on that. Having other people on, absolutely, but debating. No, that's the show. Let me say this about debate to counterbalance that whatever now, whatever agenda was pushed that time.

3:53:19 You said it's open mic, so let's have some counterbalance to it, right? You don't have to be on the same show. No, I understand, but the danger there because that's what he admitted he would do. And the danger there is who is going to push, who gets to push those buttons. It ain't going to be Mofax, it ain't going to be Mofax. I agree with you on that one because it's going to be the Boulevard, yes, sir. That's exactly what it's going to be. That's why we need to have independent grassroot representation. You need to give me, you need to give me the damn list, and I give the damn list to Mo to Joe. That's that's it. Give me the list, okay? I'll give him the list, and I'm not the one to make the list.

3:53:58 Like I said, everybody listening, you know, saying whatever you, you know, give us the list. I look, I can't make the list, Joe can't make the list, yeah, and Joe does the list. Joe does the list himself, it's Joe's list, right? So, what I'm just saying is this is the fact that all it needs to be two sides of the conversation, just like when you had uh Sanjay Gupta up there, you have a Dr. Malone, you know what I'm saying? To counterbalance it, sure. That's all I'm saying, and that's I'm not the one to make the list, but there needs to be effort put, and that's why I say if you have somebody actually what this proves is lack of representation on the black side, more than the issue of his.

3:54:41 But I'll draw on an I'll draw an analogy. So, whenever I've been on there and I talk about Bitcoin, then the whole Bitcoin community is like, Yeah, you can't get you. And the ether community, everyone's yelling, you got to have that person, I'm that person, I'm that person. And you know what the result is? No one gets on. So, there's got to be a better way to have a list because I can already, I already know. I know already the people are going to come out of the world. Oh, I mean, I get it all the time. You go on Joe Rogan. Here's the thing you get: hey, man, you know, you should tell Joe he should have so-and-so on. I get this 10 a day, and I'm sure you, I'm sure you get that because the same thing.

3:55:23 I mean, I have a much smaller platform, but you always have, oh, you need to have this person on, you need to have that person on. It's just like, I want to talk to people that are interesting, and it's not the point. Like I said, that's just opening up. So, what I'll say is, I guarantee you, I know, knowing Joe, he's a very thoughtful dude. He sits and he's not, I mean, he works a lot, but he thinks a lot and he reads a lot. And he and I share all kinds of stuff that, I mean, you remember my first or second appearance, I was talking about ADOS. He'd never heard of it. You know, this is a process, you know, it takes a little while.

3:56:03 And by the way, not a lot of help from ADOS. Ados when I did that. I got a lot of people saying, who the fuck are you to talk about it? Look, this is a process, no matter who it is. And I think Joe got a turbocharge. We'll see. We'll see. But I have a good feeling. The point is that when you bring stuff to the table, it makes them aware of it to say, oh, there's ADOS. There's actually this out there. That's my point. But my point is when people are allies or helping or whatever, don't shoot the fucking messenger because I got a little gun shy. You know, I'm like, well, hey, you know, dude, there's ADOS and there's some shit going on that I'm just learning myself.

3:56:43 You know, the knee-jerk reaction is, yeah, it was this cracker talking about this shit. We need this person on, that person on. That's not helpful. It's no different. It's no different in the Bitcoin community. That's what I'm saying. That's not helpful either. And I always have a whole variety of different agendas, brother. Agendas. I don't even say agendas. It's just different points of view. Because if you say ADOS, the FBA people are going to say, what about us? And if you say FBA, you're going to have to. And no matter what I say, the HOTEP's always been told me. I know. Right. So yes, that's my whole point is, but open it up to

3:57:27 when you're only when you're pushing stuff like black people are prone to violence. Like we need to, we need to talk to somebody to counter that. You know, like that's a, that's a hell of a, you know, that's a hell of, and that's what I'm saying, that kind of stuff. Just like with the Sanjay Goop to Dr. Malone, that would be the perfect balance. He didn't Brett have him on the same show. You know what I'm saying? Neither one addressed each other directly, but it was like, let's, and I get it. Joe Rogan's podcast to put fringe ideas out there. I get it. Like the mudslide. That's why people tune in. The mudslide, aliens, UFOs, all these different things, things that you don't hear on the mainstream.

3:58:07 I get that. But there's a, you know what I'm saying? There's an opportunity for that as well. And I'm just saying if you, if we were the ones that calling him to task, but obviously we were not, when I said the quote unquote black community, are not the ones that push this agenda. No. If we were, that's how it happens. Because trust me, when the, when I'm saying when the Jewish community goes in, they don't give a rat's ass what your agenda is. It's like, hey, this, and all I'm saying is emulate what works. It works for them. It could work for us. That's my point of it all. So let's go ahead and get into the last clip of 30 last clip of this block 39. There's no black characters. And then finally, there's this movie with Jonah Hill. They show a preview for the movie.

3:58:52 And it's Jonah Hill, and he's doing all this different shit. And he's babysitting kids, but he's supposed to be like a cool guy. And the way they show you he's a cool guy is there's an old black guy working like at a door at a club. Like the black guy's there and Jonah Hill's talking black to him. You know, it is what it is, brother. It is what it is. And I'm watching this with all these black people. I'm watching this white guy talk like a black guy. And I'm in this fucking theater field and I'm like, and I'm high as fuck. I mean, just barbecued, sitting there soaking in this experience going, wow, this is fucked up. Like, what? No wonder why black people are angry and they feel disenfranchised. Like, they're completely removed from the mainstream cultural experience in a lot of ways.

3:59:34 Like, there's a tiny percentage of black people that are included in movies. So finally, Planet of the Apes plays. Everyone's white in the movie, except the bad guy. The bad guy is a black guy. And I thought it was so strange. And not only that, he's a bad guy who owns this giant company and he has an English accent. It's like, not only is he, but it's like you couldn't have a brother from Philadelphia that figured out how to own this corporation. It couldn't be a guy, even a brother that talks like a regular businessman type dude, you know, who's like, well, what we need to do is acquire this. And, you know, once we get that, and then we'll be on moving. And then we get in the force. You know, no, no, no. This guy has an English accent.

4:00:16 He doesn't sound like anybody you know. And this is the only black guy in the fucking movie. And I'm like, wow. And then the rest of the movie is just badass monkeys. Wow. That's it. And if that's it in its full context, but when you think about Boule and what's going on with Ados and Foundational Blacks, when you listen to that in context, it's like, why did the black guy have to be British? Yeah. Because there's a subset to that. Ados and Foundational Blacks are the dumbest of the blacks. And I ain't saying that. There was some Twitter spaces going around. And you have people darker than me in these rooms calling Foundational and Ados Blacks monkeys.

4:01:00 So, where would they learn that from? Somebody is darker than them. They darkening the person they're calling this to, and they're calling them monkeys and making monkey sounds. So, I'm just saying these ideas, we need to push back on the ideas, not the people. Right. And seek first to understand, then to be understood. Now, that's my take on the whole Joe Rogan thing. You know, I found that, you know what I'm saying, very problematic. I'm saying to use a term that's floating around as far as the monkey comparison, because that's that taps into not the actual physical appearance, but that we think on a subhuman level,

4:01:40 which is a real problem. Now, I'll say this: go ahead. I don't want to. No, I would the only thing I was going to say is we are in a very unique position. And if there's ever an opportunity to have a certain voice that Joe would not be exposed to or know about, you know, I have no control, but I can certainly tell Joe, hey, this is someone to consider. So I'm just saying. If he had done, I'm going to show how to do it. I'm just saying this is unique. This is unique to us, is what I'm saying. It's unique to us. And I'm going to say how it would have been beneficial to him. He could have said, I had these people on

4:02:22 to say their piece. So what the hell are you talking about? You see what I'm saying? The only way you can. You know what? He doesn't even care about that. The Joe I know actually wants to learn. That's my point. This is not about, he's not about fair, upside down, left side down. He doesn't need the Spotify money. He just wants to learn. So that's a mission for everybody to help him because he's incredibly, that slot is incredibly influential. And it could change a lot of things. So it's a great opportunity. We have to make sure that the bullet doesn't get all their crap in.

4:03:06 That's the part that is dangerous for this. And that's my takeaway from this whole segment: you have to get to the grassroots. Not the people coming, not the Charlemagne. No, no. Not no, no. You're going to have to do something to get out from under this. You know what I'm saying? You're going to have to do some homework. Well, you're going to have to put that brown paper bag on your head with the eye holes cut out. Because obviously we need motives. I'll go behind one of those dark screens like when they do the criminal. Changeover? The criminal. Sure, Mo. I'm a thought criminal. Oh, yeah. No, we know that.

4:03:47 We all know that. So just to go back to the, you know, saying to wrap this up, no matter what Joe said, I will never ask him for an apology. Because when you ask for an apology, that's a sign of weakness. Just like I will never apologize. I don't care how much pressure people put on me. I'm not apology. Unless I honestly feel like I offended you. You're not going to pressure me to apologize for something I don't feel like I need to apologize for. And you're saying the last clip of the show, we got to go back to Mr. Nilly, the honorable Neely Fuller. And like I said, I don't agree with everything he says. But he's speaking on respect and apologies.

4:04:28 And I think this is very helpful to show when you demand an apology, actually makes you look weak. You never ask anyone to respect you. There's three things you don't ask for. You never ask for respect. You never ask for an apology. And you never ask for love. Ever. Don't keep from anybody. Ever. Don't let those words ever come out of your mouth that you ask somebody to respect you. Respect comes from yourself. It doesn't come from somebody else. Other people can be discourteous and all like that. That's on them. That has nothing to do with you. You don't care what they say. Let them shout, curse, throw things at the wall, whatnot.

4:05:12 I mean, that's their business. And that's a part of what you call compensatory conversation control. Okay. Yes. If you beg somebody for respect, please respect me. Please apologize to me. Please love me. These things, one thing, I would learn from yourself. And apologies and love is something that people give voluntarily. Those other two things, apologies and love. You never ask anybody for an apology.

4:05:51 Why? According to logic. Because it's. doesn't mean anything if you have to ask for it. Right. Okay. Yes, it's when people come to you and say, I apologize for what I said to you the other day. That's when it has value. Okay. When you have to beat a person over the head and say, apologize to me, I'm going to inflict injury on you. I'm going to say terrible things about you. I'm going to do something to you. You better apologize. But first, say, okay, okay, okay. I apologize. I apologize for slavery. All right. I apologize for all the things I'm going to do to you next week. Or this year. And in fact, I will load you up with apologizes. With apologies.

4:06:33 I mean, and you'll have them in advance. How many do you need? That's so true. So true. Yep. So that's how you operate out of being, you're saying, a real man or a real person or stand-up person. You don't ask for apologies. You don't demand apologies. You don't even leverage people for apologies because it's not going to be genuine. So what's the standard? What's the point? Yep. Absolutely. So that's my rap. I appreciate that. No, I appreciate that, Mo. And it's kind of what I expected. So I'm happy that I kind of can anticipate and know how you're feeling about stuff, how you're thinking about stuff.

4:07:17 But this whole episode was good. I mean, this was, we talked about stuff that is just not talked about typically. If ever. We can't. That's the whole point of it. I know. That's what makes it. That's why people appreciate the value and they find the value in it because you're not going to get this anywhere else. I don't, because we're both independent thinkers. And the only way to keep it continuing is for everyone to support this work. It's very important work. And you are also, I mean, you're producers and you're also watching

4:07:55 your value being turned into, I don't know. So it could be this. I'm looking at the MoFax Entertainment Enterprises Empire, and I'm very excited about the future that I see. And particularly, this episode shows what kind of great things we can expect. I'm very excited about it. Please support us. Go to MoFax.com or MoFundMe.com or get a podcast app that can help us at newpodcastapps.com. And thank you, Mo. And as I always say, pay attention to everything and it should reveal itself. We'll see you in two weeks, everybody. If you want

4:08:36 something to play with, go and find yourself a talk. Baby, my time is too expensive. And I'm not a little boy. If you are serious, don't play with my heart. It makes me furious.

4:09:21 But if you want me to love you, then a baby, I'll weep. Girl, you know how we hear. Tell it like it is. Don't be ashamed. Let your conscience be your guide. But I know deep down inside of me. I believe you love me. Forget your foolish pride.

4:10:06 Life is too short to have sorrow. You may be here today and gone tomorrow. You might as well get what you want. So go on and live. Baby, go on and leave. Tell it like it is. I'm nothing to play with. Go and find yourself. But I tell it. it like it is

4:10:53 My time is too expensive And I'm not your little boy Tell it like it is