73: Justice 4 Juicy

00:00 The blind stares of a million pairs of eyes looking hard but won't realize that they will never see the pee. Mo Facts with Adam Curry for January 5th, 2022. It's episode number 73. We're back from a short holiday break. I'm Adam Curry coming to you from the heart of Texas Hill Country and time once again to spin the wheel of topics from here to snowy Northern Virginia. Please say hello to my friend on the other end, ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Mo Facts. How are you doing, Adam? I am good, Mo. How's Northern Virginia? Well, I am snowed in by Association. Thank you very much.

00:40 You all went through it in Austin last year with the. Oh, you're going to blame Texas now? Is that what you're doing? Well, the universe had to be balanced. You went through it last year. I got to go through it this year. So we're fully balanced. Did you lose power? Yes, I did. And did the generator, did the generator work? I actually didn't haven't had the generator installed yet. I had to put due to the involuntary vacation I'm on. I'll pause all big purchases. Yeah, I got you. That was one of them. That sucks so bad. Ours just came in. It's being installed, I think, next week. And I'm hoping, like, because we had 14 degrees the other day.

01:25 If we had had some precipitation, you know, everything iced up, it would have been horrible. And that's what happened here. It was, it snowed that morning. It was a wet, heavy, sticky snow. So it was like all the trees would double over. And I was told my wife, I was like, yeah, we're going to have to get out of here. So we luckily enough got a couple of hotel rooms and made it like an in-town vacation kind of thing for the kids. And yeah, I just got home like yesterday. Oh, wow. I didn't even know that. I didn't know you were in a hotel. Yes. And the thing is, I'm lucky because a lot of people were stuck on I-95. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm blessed to be in this situation.

02:10 And reminder: people, you always have some water in your car. Always have a couple of bottles of water, no matter what. Taco Bells, packets. Taco Bell packets, nine millimeter helps. These are all things that are very important. On the J-O-B front, how are we doing? I don't know. Still in limbo. When are they going to tell you something? It's the 24th. Oh, bro. This is so frustrating. Well, I have my intel sources on the inside and they've went full code red of sending everybody back home, work from home. So I don't know how this is going to play out. I'm planning out. Like, I'm on my second career, so I'm not really pressed about it.

02:55 I'd like to thank all the producers, you know, for helping out. That takes the worryation down a little bit. Of course, I'm not worried. It's that just the uncertainty of it all. But family's okay, though. Family's okay. Great Christmas. I'm not going to let this kind of thing wear me down. So, I mean, that's the main thing. And like I said, the kind words. I don't know if you, I mean, of course, you knew, but people didn't know. We had a Christmas special on the YouTube channel. Mama Facts stopped by. Oh, gosh. Oh, my goodness. How was that? It was great. She came through, and like I said, we had a Christmas special.

03:35 And of course, the reason for the season, she came and done what she's done for the last, I know, 41 years, maybe almost 50 years now. Read the actual Christmas story, the actual biblical Christmas story. Beautiful. So I shared that with the Facts family. That was my gift to them. If you haven't seen it, it's still up. So go check it out. Yeah, I'll put a link to it in the link to it in the show notes. People definitely need to check it out. That's so cool, man. Very cool. Yep. So, and here we are. We've been to 2022. It's a lot of Sarah and Deputy with the show that we're about to have now. So if you want to go ahead and speak that wheel. Yes, I've been dying to crank it up.

04:18 You kidding me? That's right. There it is. Oh, Wheel of Topics flies around in circular motion. Round and round it goes. Where it stopped, nobody knows. But of course, Mo knows because he put the show together today. The topic for Mo Facts with Adam Curry, episode 73, is. I've never heard of Juicy Smooyer. Oh, yeah. I've been waiting for this one. Yeah. Yeah. I've been waiting for it. Nice. Oh, Juicy. I'm very grateful to Jesse Smollett, aka Juicy. Because if there's no Juicy, there may not be any Mo Facts. Say what now? Yes. All right. So I got to get them to get. give the abbreviated

05:01 version of this story. Did you like how I delivered that line? I mean, was that like, say what now? I mean, that was like a sentence. It was a cliffhanger. It's like, okay, now I have to live up to delivery on the other end of it. But for people that didn't know, how I got my start in this commentating, podcasting, just sharing my perspective is star star report. Yes. Well, he asked a question. He asked, why did Jussie Smollett leave the noose on his neck?

05:38 And I had to answer. And the funny thing is, just to give a quick why I had to answer, it was another YouTuber that had said, not to me personally, but just on his channel, don't be a talker, be a doer. So when he said that, it was a bell that rung in my head. And this was my opportunity to be a doer instead of a talker. Thank you for the sound of this. But that's kind of how it was. And the reason why I say this is this is how powerful these things are: that you get a ball going. And so I called a star. He let me through. He normally doesn't let people through that haven't made a donation. I didn't realize this. I just called. I didn't know how all of you were. You were deadbeat. Well, I didn't unknowingly.

06:22 I'm sorry. Oh, that's what all deadbeats say. I didn't know. I didn't know. I didn't send a check. I didn't know about that. Right. But the thing is, it's the weirdness that I got through. So I gave my spiel. He said, okay. I called back again the next day. And then he starts saying, when I called in, this is Mo with the facts. This is right. I do remember this origin story. Yes. Right. So then that's how Mo Facts came about. And that gave me the platform to hone my skills. And then I reached out to you through Twitter to answer the DOS ADOS questions/slash reparations. Yeah. And the rest is history. The rest is history. The rest is podcast history.

07:04 So that's the MoFax origin story, thanks to juicy, aka Jussie Smollett. So this story is very personal to me. And I'd like to remind everybody to maximum, to experience the MoFax with Adam Curry to the max. Get a modern podcast app. Go to newpodcastapps.com and you can support the show while you're listening. It'll stream little bits of Bitcoin in real time. And if you like something, you can hit the boost button and send us, you know, it's almost like a super chat. You can send us a message. It's called a boostagram. Go check it out at newpodcastapps.com. I'm ready for the show. All right. So I guess we got to start at the end.

07:49 And this is the breakdown of how the story played out. And this is from Dan Abrams Live One. The evidence is in and complete against actor Jussie Smollett, the former Empire star. Smollett is charged with six felony counts of disorderly conduct after allegedly filing false police reports in connection with a staged hate crime attack that prosecutors say he orchestrated on a frigid night in January of 2019. Smollett was back on the stand today, seeming combative as prosecutor Dan Webb questioned his communications with Abel Osundero, one of the two brothers who testified that Smollett paid them to stage the attack, which included wearing red hats to look like supporters of then President Donald Trump, putting a rope around his neck and

08:36 pouring bleach on him and yelling things like this is MAGA country in Chicago. The cross-examination revealed some inconsistencies with Smollett's testimony. On Monday, Smollett testified that messages between him and Abel, who Smollett says had been hired as a personal trainer, not as his attacker, were to set up a workout for that day, not to arrange a hoax attack. Today, when Webb asked Smollett if he used Instagram to send private messages to Abel Osandaro regarding the timing of the fake attack on the night in question, Smollett denied sending the messages.

09:12 But then Webb showed Smollett four messages that he sent to Osandaro on Instagram that night, the last of which was sent about 90 minutes before the alleged assault. And when asked whether any of those messages mentioned a workout on the night of the incident, Smollett admitted they didn't. But then he fired back: well, there was also no messages about an attack. Yeah, I'm so happy you're doing this episode because I know, I know you're going to humanize everybody and it's going to blow us away by the end of this journey. I'm so excited about this. I hope to do that. And at the same time, give some background to why I think Jesse did it.

09:54 it. Um, because, like you said, he's been made a two-dimensional character by a punchline of jokes, which rightfully so. When you pull something, you pull something like this. The bleach thing is you put yourself the bleach thing is weird. The bleach thing. I don't, I don't, I guess he was like, oh, we're going to get the black off of you or something. I don't know what this thing was about. That's never been a trend. I mean, as far as I know, I mean, I checked with all of my racist friends and they said, no, man, the noose was cool, but bleach? No, he hadn't come up with that one. I've never heard that. Right. So I don't know either. But like I said, the news thing, that was the linchpin for me.

10:38 They're like, one, I'm going to explain to you why that was such a triggering prop in this whole situation. It had significance. But that's like, that's just the background of it. We got Nigerian scam artists. We hopping on planes. And we got our star empire star at the height of his career pulling something like this. So it's just a weird story. And I knew for the very beginning that it was a scam or a hoax.

11:15 And I'll explain why later. But just give when I first heard the story, I'm doing my normal routine, honoring my clothes, getting ready for work. And it comes across like that Fox morning show, kind of not Fox News, but the Fox local show, Fox 5 in D.C. And I'm sitting here listening to it, and I'm like, this is bull crap. But I didn't have the Facts family then or you. So Mrs. Facts had to be myself. Right. So I'm going on and on about how this is bull crap. But then rightfully so, I was proven correct.

11:53 So with that said, let's go ahead and get to the second clip from Dan. Prosecutors later pointed out that there were also no messages or calls between Smollett and Osundero about canceling the training session after the attack, right? Think about that. If they had a training session scheduled, right, he would have called them after the attack said, by the way, I'm not going to be able to have our training session. But prosecutors don't believe there's a training session. So yesterday, Smollett claimed he and Abel Osandaro had multiple sexual encounters in private rooms in Chicago bathhouses. Claims which Osandaro denies. But Smollett testified he didn't even recognize Osandaro's voice during the assault, saying in that moment, I'm not going to stop and say, hey, Bola, a nickname for him.

12:36 Is that you? It was an attack. It happened fast. Smollett also admitted today that he'd driven the Osandaro brothers to his apartment building downtown in the days preceding the allegedly fake assault. Video from the day shows the group circling Smollett's block multiple times, passing the staircase where the assault took place three times. Smollett offered inconsistent explanations. And last week, the Osandaros testified that the meeting was a dry run for the fake assault. Remember, yesterday, Smollett testified that he was attacked by a large man in a ski mask with, quote, pale skin. He assumed the man was white because the racial slurs the attacker used during the assault.

13:17 But today, when pressed about his recollection of the attack, as well as his initial interviews with Chicago detectives investigating, Smollett acknowledged that he told officers the attackers were white. He also denied telling police he was the victim of a hate crime, saying that he merely told them he was attacked. Whenever I hear Chicago bathhouses, I can't help but be triggered to think of Barry S. You know it had to be an Obama connection there, even though it's not Barry S specifically, but Chicago bathhouses is synonymous with Obama. So, you know, they got to be somewhere lurking in the shadows on this topic.

13:57 But so we got the story laid out. And what kind of gay is Jesse, aka Juicy, to out another fellow gay man the way he just did because he said the guy that he polled had relations with he that he was having relationships with relations with him in the Chicago bathhouses. Isn't that bad form for being in the community to out somebody like that? Yeah, I guess so. No, I'm asking like, because that's just, you know, it's kind of like dead naming and those kind of misgendering.

14:36 Yeah, but when your ass is on the line and you're in court, you're going to sing like a bird. Or if you're considered a down low brother, which we talked about before as well. So the way it seems is that one of the brothers may have not been. been openly gay. Well, it's definitely not protocol to do that. Yeah. So, I just want to point out, just to show you how desperate Jesse was to bring people down with him as he was going down in flames. So, we got one last clip, and then we're really going to get into the under story. We're not going to do the gloss over blow, blah, blah, not going to do a court TV, people. Yeah, we're not going to do that. We got something totally

15:21 totally different in line. But let's go ahead and get the final piece of the story. Well, what happened that night? And when Astami knows that the Osandaros were his attackers, Smollett said, There's no way for him to know that. And prosecutors pointed to video and GPS evidence as well. As the brothers' own testimony, that they attacked him, in addition to that. Now, Smollett then questioned the brothers' credibility. He said, Well, they're liars. They also said I had something to do with it, and that's not true. There was one other exchange that caught my attention. During last week's testimony from Abel Osandaro, Smollett's lawyers questioned whether the brothers had offered to refuse to testify in exchange for a million bucks each.

16:03 The Osandaros denied that. During a second round of questioning today, Smollett's attorneys again brought up the bribe claim. Smollett testified the brothers made the offer, but he turned them down. But later when the prosecution asked Smollett if the brothers actually made that offer, he had saying, well, a representative for the pair had reached out to his team. Okay. So these guys had 2 million bucks to offer. I think they were saying they were going to retract their retract their statements for a million bucks each? Yes.

16:40 Please. Well, okay. Someone with big money was. Oh, this Jesse has a lot of famous and powerful friends. Yes. Kamala Harris, Corey Booker. I know those. Yep. Yep. We're going to get into some more, but that was the main thing. So this, I don't have any clips from Jesse other than this one because I didn't want to make it about him really. I wanted to make it more about the event. But before we get into that one clip, the main takeaway from this is you can't do anything anymore without it being tracked.

17:18 Yeah, the phone GPS, right? Well, no, no, no, no. And I could have made this show could have been 10 hours because there's so many rabbit holes that go down. And this is something I want to cover in the lost tapes because I need more visuals with it. But there's a thing in Chicago called pod cameras. Have you ever heard of pod cameras? Pod POD? Yes. Is that like the shot, the shot, the shot cams where they detect gunshots and then locate it? Well, these cameras they have on every corner almost. Okay. And this is how they track the brothers back from the scene. Yes. All the way. The pod cameras, plus, they had

18:01 the term they used were private surveillance. Oh, yeah, ring cameras. Ring cameras. Yeah, ring doorbell. Oh, yeah, absolutely. 32 ring doorbells. What did they call it? What did they call that? No, they call them private surveillance cameras or something, something that it's a term they use, but the pod cameras. I was just wondering if you heard of that. And then also, did they license those through you? Thank you. I was writing up with a lot of the lawsuit as we spoke. You should be getting a piece of that money, man. Really? What the hell? Yeah, so that's a whole nother

18:42 thing in this case. The ride sharing, the text messages, all of that is cameras. That's such a good point. That's such a good point. When we lived at the other place, people would park shitty old cars near us that we could basically, we'd see these crappy old cars, tires gone, wheels gone, stuff like that. And like, you know, and they and they wouldn't remove these. The police in Austin, there's a whole nother thing. Like, you know, why don't I just torch it? You know, if I just torch it, then they'll have to come. And then we decided against that because ring cameras. Yeah. It's like, you can't hide from that. They track these guys all the way back to the airport from that spot.

19:27 That's phenomenal. Off of this surveillance. So I know you would like that because you're the OTG. Yeah. OTG kind of guy. So, yeah. So let's get into this one clip of Jesse, aka Juicy, and he's going to explain why he thinks he was attacked. Why do you think you were targeted? I can just assume. I mean, I come really, really hard against the 45. Now, please, I come really, really hard against his administration, and I don't hold my tongue. I want to ask you about Jesse Smallett. I think that's horrible. It doesn't get worse, as far as I'm concerned.

20:11 Were you aware that he made that statement? I saw it. I don't know what to say to that. You know? You know, I appreciate him not brushing over it. And there is no doubt in your mind what motivated this attack. I could only go off of their words. I mean, who says, Empire, this MAGA country ties a noose around your neck and pours bleach on you. And this is just a friendly fight. I will never be the man that this did not happen to. I am forever changed.

20:53 And I don't subscribe to the idea that everything happens for a reason, but I do subscribe to the idea that we have the right and the responsibility to make something meaningful out of the things that happen to us, good and bad. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And there it is. He's going to make something meaningful out of this, even if it's a hoax or not. And he made it political. I didn't. He said this happened to him because he comes hard at 45 with all that vocal fry. He may be a hummer.

21:32 Okay. I'll leave that where it is. But yeah, that was when I heard, like I said, everybody knew this was a hoax. Everybody, except for those people. Can I tell you what my first inclination was? Because I immediately. I, of course, immediately. Well, the way I witnessed it first was Stephanie Rule from MSNBC. I don't know if you have that clip or not. No, I don't. She's the ex, she's like Goldman Sachs. Let me see. We played our clips before, I believe, on the show. Yeah, but she was crying. She's crying. Oh, my goodness. I can't believe this is happening. And I'm looking at it like,

22:14 this sounds pretty weird. But what I found real quick was, and I'm sure you're getting to that, is there was this bill out there from Kamala and Corey Booker, which was called the lynching bill or the anti-lynching bill. And that's. I'm going to ask you to put the goggles on, sir. You and your few. I'm so sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I don't mean to do goggles on. Engage. Even in 2022, you're still in the future. In the past. Yeah, but we're going to talk about that. But we have to go even further back than that. This thing, because that would seem like the genesis of it, but I have to give some context here.

22:56 And this goes to our genesis of meeting. Kamala, Kamala Harris, I call it Kamala, Kamala, rolled out her presidency, her candidacy for president on January 20th, 2019. Right. And she was met with so much pushback. They have one hand. Well, specifically from the quote-unquote ADAS, quote-unquote, FBA, Foundational Blacks, by this contendency that I, by lineage, I am a part of.

23:33 She was destroyed. Her campaign was null and void from the very beginning. That's because everybody knew like, no, no, no, we're not going to do another Obama trick. Exactly. And that was the thing. Like, what do you have to offer? And the bill that you alluded to was one of those things that they tried to build up for her so when she could step right into it to say I'm doing something for black people yeah so um yeah so that was one quote unquote her tangible which we'll get we'll get to the lynching thing but I want to go back we this is a five block clip maybe we don't need to play all of them just to give people context of what was going on at that time with uh Kamala Harris because she is the center point of this whole story so now we have to go back Joyanne

24:26 Reed with Shireen Mitchell and this is the Russian box clip part one they appear to be a human but they don't they have a big gap as as Adam just said in the times that they've tweeted and they tweet you should you respond to them? Generally, no. I mean, off the back, you should stay back and just sort of watch their engagement, how many times they're tweeting, what they're tweeting about, and even the topics in particular. And a lot of the ones that are pretending to be black people, black women in particular, who are focusing on black identity, have these sort of aspects in the ways that they're talking about language. If we saw the other day, there was an account that was supposed to be for black supporting Howard Schultz.

25:09 That account was eventually pulled down, but that was a prime example of someone trying to mimic support from the black community for a particular candidate. So these kinds of things that are happening at this moment, we have to pay a little bit more close attention to it because there is nuance, but there are also identifying factors. For example, right now, from the Black Identity Framework, there's a new sort of hashtag and/or identity that's in their bios called A D O S or D O S, which is standing for Descendants of Slaves. Yeah, this is the genesis of us. You're right. So this honestly, 2022, we're almost, what is that? This was 2019.

25:53 Yeah, three years ago. So three years to the date, almost roughly when she first wrote her campaign out. This is my genesis. Then this leads to us crossing paths. So this story has a lot of history to it for me. So and then coming off of last show talking about hoaxes and people making false claims and being false victims. I hope everybody gets the rollover into this show. If you haven't heard that, that's the Duke La Crosse case. So as you see, this was right after she made her announcement.

26:32 She was getting flamed on social media to the point where they had to blame it on bots, Russian bots. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what I picked up. I picked up the, hey, wait a minute, that's not bots. That's people and they're descendants of slaves or whatever she said. That's all I knew. And I was trying to figure that part out. That's when you reached out to me. Yes. Because you said DOS, and then that's why I added the A to it because it matters. The A matters because what they try to do is this is the lumping together the color people, the aka people of color.

27:11 They try to put everything into this black label. And this is when, like, really the point where people of ADOS lineage was really making and stating a claim that, like you mentioned before, that we won't have another Obama. So let's go ahead and get into the second part of that clip. So it's the indication that they are someone who was born in, you know, as a descendant in the United States, who is representing black America and has the vernacular and the language that people would believe is someone who's a part of our community who's either debating about Camilla or debating about Booker because that's who just announced and trying to say, we know who's the most, you know, who's black in America and making sure that they're, you know, sort of talking in this vernacular that makes

28:02 it look like that they are in support. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I did see a huge uptick in bot activity when it came to when Tommy hears announcements. It just dropped like a bomb. It just happened really quickly. And she was accused of being not really black, not a child. Not really black. That kept going. You could see that happening. But actually, there was an uptick of those bots just before she was about to announce. So they were preparing for her announcement. I love, if you kind of take this all the way through, you could almost say, Silicon Valley, man, they suck so bad. They're so racist. They can't even make black bots properly. Well, this is Putin's bots. So it's Russian bots. Yeah, of course. What am I thinking? Yeah. You can't put this on.

28:46 I love how Joy Ann Reed says, oh, yeah, I know. I see the bots come out immediately. Oh, yeah. What she said, she used the word bomb. And she's right in her. The bomb analogy is right. Yes. Because soon, it was like people were waiting on Kamala to drop because they saw the Obama Okey Dope being played out. Once again, this was not our candidate. Yeah, so this was not our candidate. This was a packaged product that they were trying to push to us. And we said no. And not only was it that, you know, her politics was a problem, the fact that they were trying to

29:29 force her on us as being kind of ADOS. when they use this term black so loosely. And this is why it's so important that we coin a term for political reasons and lineage reasons to identify that our claim is specific and our demands are specific. Our political demands are specific. Now, at this time, there was some, there's also some confusion added to it by the group out in California. I've forgotten the guy's name again, the lawyer, who, you know, they're saying we're the ADOS group. And that was like the ADOS political group versus the ADOS lineage group, which is poorly understood by all.

30:12 So you're talking about Tone Talks, Tone Talks, and Jivet Carnegie. Which I have to give them credit because they're the one that brought the ADOS hashtag to popularity. And this is, I want to show people, this is the power of hashtags because when you can give a nice, clean hashtag that everybody can put their energy behind, you can take down a political candidate in their tracks. And this is what really, this was the, they were trying to hide this. The fact that these people that are loosely linked, if not linked at all, but by nothing but a lineage and a hashtag, destroyed who should have been president now.

30:55 That was the whole goal. This was her big rollout. Joe Biden was a, in my perspective, Joe Biden was a backup plan. He was the spare political candidate. She was their first choice. That's a good take. And what's baffling about that is how can you fall for it? How can you fall for the concept that ADOS America is going to put up with that shit? Well, I'm glad you're saying that. Then they haven't done the research. Who's talking to you? Well, they had the audacity to think they could do this. Now we're going to get into another set of throwback clips. And this is very important. We're not rehashing.

31:38 One, we got a lot of new listeners. Two, this was three years ago. And three, now looking through the lens of where we're at now, backwards, you can clearly see it. It's going to answer your question. They have big media and they didn't understand the power of the independent media. And to hear that play out, the big media and how they were trying to force this through, we have Don Lemon and he's talking to April Ryan about two of my favorite people. This is great. I love these people. This is about Kamala Harris is African American. So April, listen, the only black woman in the 2020 campaign is fielding questions about race. And I just want to play off for you what Kamala Harris said to the Breakfast Club when she was asked about how people on social media are questioning if she's African American.

32:23 Another meme says, Kamala Harris is not African American. Her parents were immigrants from India and Jamaica and she was raised in Canada, not the United States. And I said, fat. That's what the meme said. So I was born in Oakland. And raised in the United States, except for the years that I was in high school in Montreal, Canada. And look, this is the same thing they did to Barack. This is not new to us. And so I think that what they're trying to do, they're trying to do what has been happening over the last two years, which is powerful voices trying to sow hate and division among us.

33:04 And so we need to recognize when we're being played. Wow. This is fantastic. I didn't realize that she didn't even answer the question. No. This is mind-blowing. And then to say, well, I was born in Oakland. As you know, that gives you black creds. Have you looked at Oakland? Oakland's more white than the Hill Country. It's not black anymore. And then she says, this is what they do to us. Us. Another good one. Yeah, I wouldn't catch that, of course. Who is the us that she's talking about? Are she talking about people like her and Barack? That's your sister, man. Yeah. Well, if it's me and Barack, then yeah, then, yeah, okay, that's fine.

33:50 Of course, they do that to you because you're phony. The thing is, just don't try to graft yourself in to a lineage that's not yours. Embrace your Indian lineage. Embrace your. I'm sorry. I just have to, I just, I just have to say this. I cannot, I cannot believe that they're that politically stupid. I mean, what it shows is they think black people are stupid. Hello. Hello. And they, and they learn their lesson. Alex, yes. And this is why this was show 15.

34:29 So with. 15, we're going through this real time. So if people want to go back and listen, you can see how this played out from 15 to 18 forward. Yeah. Yeah. You're saying to 18, excuse me, that was 18. 15 was when they tried to do the Russian bot thing. So we followed the whole development and the destruction of a political candidate by grassroots efforts. And you're right. It is arrogancy to say, you know what? We know what's best for black people when we can put a brown person out here, call them black, black being used in the term of African-American with or ADOS.

35:10 This is why this term is very dangerous because even in the title, it says Don Lemon asked if Kamala Harris is African American. When they use the term African American, they're using as Ados as a synonym to Ados, which she is not. Because if that's the case, then we got to say Elon Musk is the richest African American of all time. Exactly. Exactly. So we got to be very careful with these terms. And they learned their lesson and they're still learning their lesson. But this was the arrogancy of the Democratic Party. And

35:47 they learned, like I said, not to repeat myself, but they learned their lesson. But April Ryan is going to push back against Don Lemon on her being African American. This is a great clip. By the way, this show has receipts, people. Just so you know, this is not, this is stuff that we've done. So glad you're here. What do you make of her answer, April? It's good for her. You know, there's a lot to unpack here. Number one, what does black enough mean? Can someone give me a definition of what black enough is? I don't want to go down the road of the stereotype when people say we're black. Number one, she is a black woman. She's a mixed race woman. When you see her, you see her blackness, but she is also South Asian.

36:30 Her mom is South Asian and her dad is Jamaican. April, April, April. Listen. More power to her. And I think it's great. That should be enough. It is enough that she's a black woman. We are not a modeler. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. They did the same thing. No, no, no, no, no. I think you're not hearing what people are saying. The people who are saying, is she black enough, that's bold. That's BS. But I want a distinction to say, is she African-American or is she black or is she whatever? There is nothing wrong with that. There is a difference between being African-American and being black.

37:10 People, Latino people are people of color, but they're not black. They're brown people. She is a woman of color, but she is a black woman. Okay, that's why. I agree with that. I agree with that. But is she African-American? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. But is she African-American? There is a difference. There's nothing wrong with that. No one is trying to take anything away from her. I think you're falling into a trap of that. All she had to do was say, I am black, but I'm not African-American. I love Don Lemon for this. That was so proper of him. It was, but oh, he had to pay. And we've documented with our receipts that he had to Kowtow

37:47 after this and eat his words, even to the point where he does have involvement with Jesse as well as the story develops with Jesse Smullett later down the line. So I didn't go to, there's so many rabbit holes with this story that it was like, man, which angle do you take? But I wanted to use this as a good point to go back a year later to show, I mean, that this is their candidate. This was their original candidate being Kamala Harris. The antics that they try to use, including Jesse Smullett, to endear her to us, and it didn't work.

38:26 You can hear how hard April Ryan is working. And I wonder, is Don, what angle is Don working from in these set eclipse? Is he control opposition or is he backing another candidate at the time? You know, I just can't figure out his angle. Well, you know, on this tape. Okay. So first a question, April Ryan, Ados? I believe so. I'll do a quick check while you're doing this. I mean, it's be more authentic for April Ryan to say, I grew up in Baltimore, which he did, than Kamala Harris. I was born in Oakland. The thing about Don Lemon is I think that he is,

39:09 how can I say this? I feel authenticity from him often. I feel authenticity from him as a man. I feel authenticity from him as a black man. I feel authenticity from him as a gay man. It shines through, but he's in an. an environment, and you know, it's just this one went too far for him. He'll do anything necessary, but he went this. I think that was something in him that said, No, I just can't, I cannot deny my own existence with this bullshit. Only reason I'll push back against that is what we've seen, and maybe this was Don's last stand.

39:52 Whoa, excuse me, as we call him on the show, Donald Lemon. I can't forget, yeah, this was Donald Lem because he jumped the sharp many a times prior to this and after this. I don't know if he was trying to give them some advice, like, hey, boots on the ground is saying they're not feeling her. Maybe this is not the right tape. I'll say that, but Paul reads what he's told to read. Yeah, and he's told to do, he does what he's told to do. Um, because we see how CNN has been exposed recently, yeah, but just their whole shop over there is when you have a free form uh interview. I mean, I've had it, you know, sometimes you just go too far.

40:32 Are you doing it every single night? And just, you know, he just went off the reservation, but I think that was sincere. Yes, I'll give you that. I'll give you that. But speaking of sincerity, now we have to go over, and this is post her dropping out of the race. This is Roland Martin, aka saying Boulet number one. And he goes in and has a rant about the attacks on Kamala Harris and her blackness. Donald Trump Jr. is Fredo, and he clearly can't read a bio. All he has to do is go read the bio of Senator Kamala Harris. Then you'll understand her background. And so he's probably the dumbest of all the Trump children.

41:12 But here's the real issue here: the attacks on Senator Kamala Harris's blackness really started the moment she announced. And where it's really coming from, this is black self-hate cloaked in black self-love. There are people out there who are saying that because she is not a descendant of slaves, she really can't speak to the black experience. They dismiss the fact that she went to the HBCU, they dismiss her actual background. And that's what the real issue here. There are black people out there who are angered that they say, who say Obama didn't do enough for African Americans. And what they're not doing is demanding really policy questions. They're questioning her blackness.

41:51 You may have some fools out there who are black, especially a lot of black men who are criticizing her because her husband is white. And so I understand that folks are talking about Donald Trump Jr. retweeting this, but really you've got some asinine black folks out there who are the ones who are questioning her blackness and they are shameful and they are despicable and then they should be called out at every turn. Can Roland Martin show his ADOS card? No, he cannot. I didn't think so. I didn't think so. And listen to the language. Fools, asinine. It was complete shaming. And they didn't understand. The more they shamed, the harder we clamp down on their candidate.

42:36 The more they shamed, the harder we can't. And she's there's something there. There was something there that he said that bears discussing. He said they're not looking at their policies. They're just looking at her blackness. And I think that's correct, but I think it's correct because they already went, they, the blacks already went through the Obama policy. Oh, well, policy, it'll be okay. There was a they, there was a they, and I'm loosely part of that they. It was people that's been fed up with this is this is your candidate.

43:16 Shut up, go vote. Don't ask for anything. And we did have policy questions. And she was at, I didn't put this clip in here. She was asked specifically, what will you do specifically for ADOS people about reparations? Ah, right. Okay. Yes, I do remember that. And she said, clearly, I'm not going to do anything specific for black people. No. All people. And that was when she jumped into the grave and started to pull dirt on top of herself in her political career. It was over. When she made that declaration, it was over. But what Roland wants to do is say, isn't she black enough?

43:57 Yeah. She listens to Tupac Smoke Weed. How much blacker do you want? And that was one of the things that she said was just another scoop of dirt on her political grave. And I'm speaking metaphorically here for anybody that's listening that may want to highlight that in another way. We're talking about her political career. career. It was over as soon as it began. And this is from her rollout campaign rollout. Go ahead. No, I was going to say, I had what's cool about this because, of course, I'm intimately familiar with most of this story.

44:37 In something I didn't realize is the timing of Smollett with Kamala Harris. And of course, I know, I see how this is coming together, but I just wanted to mention: like, holy crap, I didn't realize the timing was so it's all a part of the same timeline. Well, I'm going to give you the timeline. I mean, just a couple dates in the timeline. She wrote out her campaign on January 20th of 2019. January 22nd is when Jesse Smollett received a racist and homophobic threatening letter to the studio in Chicago where the empire was filmed.

45:18 That was the one with the letters cut out. Yes, like the serial killer. It was a nice touch, I had to say. It was funny. With Tylenol in it, they had this put BC in there as well. So that was the 22nd. 29th is when the actual event happened. So these are days apart. No kidding. And yeah, and just to go to the anti-lynching bill part of it, you know, that plays into it as well. So I think we stopped at 10A. That's right, where. Excuse me. No, 10. We're about to play 10 now. And this is her once again stepping on a rake.

46:01 Kamala Harris and Jesse Smollett are like almost twins in a way of the unforced errors of just overdoing it. So this is her admitting to smoking weed, but I want to, this is a long clip, so you can stop it throughout the clip if you want to. But this is from the Washington Post, and this is right after she said it. This is her, them trying to clean up her mess that she had made with Charlemagne on guard, as I call him, because how protective he is over Kamala. But this is number 10. Kamala Harris's comments from her radio interview with the Breakfast Club are sparking controversy.

46:41 Have you ever smoked? Wait a minute. Yes. Yeah. I'm so tired of these puns. Well, sparking, sparking kind of, and not only do they write the stupid pun, because, you know, sparking up a joint, et cetera, but then she even pauses to make sure that all the dumb fucks heard it. Oh, did you hear how clever we are? Be prepared. Harris's comments from her radio interview with the Breakfast Club are sparking controversy. Have you ever smoked? I have. Okay. And I and I inhale. I did it. I did inhale.

47:20 It was a long time ago. Harris explains her pro-pot stance and admits that she indulged in the substance while in college. Then this exchange happened. What does Kamala Harris listen to? What were you listening to when you were high? What was on? What's wrong with you? Oh, my goodness. Oh, yeah, definitely Snoop. Uh-huh. Tupac. Tupac. For sure. People quickly jumped on what they saw as a contradiction, given that Tupac and Snoop Dogg were not producing music while she was in college. Harris graduated from Howard University in 1986 and later got her JD from the University of California in 1989. Tupac's debut album, Tupacalyps Now, came out in 1991, and Snoop's first album, Doggy Style, followed a few years later in 1993.

48:04 So if you're just listening to this piece on the radio, it sounds like Harris's memory is mixed up. Or maybe she lied about what her stoner jams were in an attempt to sound cool at a time when more and more Democrats and even a few Republicans are on board with legal wheat. But when you watch Harris's whole interaction on camera, the situation plays out very differently. DJ Envy asks Harris what she listens to. What does Kamala Harris listen to? Charlemagne then asks a separate question as an aside to the senator. What were you listening to when you were high? Harris politely laughs, but then makes eye contact with Envy. What was on? What's wrong with you? Oh my goodness. Oh yeah, definitely Snoop.

48:45 Tupac. So it's implied that she's answering Envy's question about what she listens to in general rather than specifically what she listened to while stoned. Stop. Harris has been accused of. Charlamagne clearly asked another question. Yeah. And she answered his question. So Washington Post is being very disingenuous with this. I mean, well, that's hello. Also, when you're going to lie, it's easier to look at someone someone else. else. Correct. Correct. So, yeah. But he asked a specific question to her, and she acknowledged his question with a yes.

49:26 So, this is null and void or whatever they're saying over at the Washington Post. And we got to remember, Washington Post is the one that wrote that letter saying, basically, you need us Democratic Party when they wanted Kamala to be vice president. So, they're the one that twisted the Democratic Party arm to say you have to use her. And we want a female, a black female vice president, and the first justice to be a black woman. So, this was all done through the Washington Post. So, we can go ahead and finish up this clip, but I just wanted to point that out that she's not paying attention. Oh, my goodness. Oh, yeah, definitely Snoop. Tupac. So, it's implied that she's answering Envy's question about what she listens to in general rather than specifically what she listened to while stoned.

50:12 Harris has been accused of pandering because of the way this played out. And it's not the first time a politician has been put in that position on the show. What's something that you always carry with you? Hot sauce. Really? Yeah. Yeah. Really? Are you getting that formation right now? So while Harris was trying to make her position on pot clear, she found herself in a pretty sticky situation. Wow. Question. Charlamagne said, Are you about to jump into formation? Is he referring to like a Beyoncé formation? Yes, which Hillary didn't get, by the way. She didn't get that at all. Right. But doesn't that mean a whole different meaning now?

50:54 What we're talking about with the whole mass formation? Yes. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And that would also lead to people that still believe that Jesse Smullet was attacked. There are people out there still to this day. Oh, sure. Of course. Of course. Yeah. So this is another reason why this story is so important to go back and to say, how can they still believe that? But now what we're seeing with mass, what's the word? Mass formation. But not only that, but the whole side, the whole push now with the whole collective psychological, what was it? And Cyclone syndrome.

51:38 The thing with COVID, why they say everybody's under this spell. That's mass. They call it spells over here. No, it's the mass formation, or some call it the mass formation psychosis, which is incorrect. That's the one I, but that's. But it's really mass formation, not mass formation. That's just been bastard. It's a separate story. I'm doing it on no agenda tomorrow. But mass formation, the theory and what that is, has been hijacked by mass formation psychosis, which is Hitler, which ended the whole understanding of what's really going on. Which we know, and just to give another tidbit of information on this, they will plant they, capital T-H-E-Y, they, will plant false information and like a little nugget of false information in with a real analysis to make it null and

52:31 void. That's exactly what's happening. And to give you an example, in this situation with Kamala Harris and Jesse Smullett, they use one of saying that she was his aunt. So if you took that little nugget and put it into your analysis or whatever, it made you, it renders you null and void, an idiot. Yeah. It made you an idiot. And they purpose. I saw them give this gas. And I saw a bunch of content creators and podcasters jump on this. Yeah, their aunts. They're aunts. There's his nephew. That's aunts. And what it did was just destabilize the whole point talking points around this whole situation. So I just wanted to point that out as well. Be careful if you don't have vetted information and receipts.

53:16 Be careful of the information that you push forward because it could destroy everything that you're working towards. And I'll say it happens to me. It happens to me all the time. Sometimes it's hard. Luckily, though, people are out there catching it. And you just got to, when you had got it wrong, you got to take the L quick. That's easier. Just accept it. Yeah. I got no chip on my shoulder. I'm a washed up VJ. What the hell do I know? Not only that, but we get bombarded with so much information sent by producers, which we appreciate. But at the same time, make sure you vet it or either send everything in context. That way we can make an educated decision if it makes it into the show or not.

54:02 Because it could easily disstate me saying destabilize platforms. And here's one to watch out for. it's a clip that ends on the punchline, but stops after that. Right. Because there's usually some context or a correction or something else that we didn't see. So you got to go to C-SPAN or to the YouTubes. You got to find the longer version because that's the one I get caught in most. Like, oh, this is a great clip. And then I realize that it was cut off in a certain way that is kind of out of context. Yeah. So that's why it takes No Agenda and this show so long to put together because we have to go back and vet almost everything that we receive.

54:45 Of course, I'm giving the luxury to the two-week cycle that we have. Well, but this is also one of the few podcasts that, as you say, has that luxury, but it's so much better. Everyone jumps on the story right away. And then, you know, it's kind of set in history. That's what happened. And with MoFax, we're going to go back after we've had time. It's had time to settle. And the pieces have fallen down, and you just pick them up. We actually have a lot of those pieces ourselves. And then, okay, now we can see the full picture, which is why I love this, you know, from the timeline perspective. And it's nice and cured. And it's all ready to be, you know, enjoyed. So let's see. Let's go ahead. So I'm going to skip a clip.

55:27 Oh, you don't want to make reference to it? You don't want to do that? I think it's a great, I think it was kind of like the kicker to how stupid she is. Well, let's go ahead and get into it. TA. Well, Bubba, these are those moments that we love. Speedy secondhand embarrassment for you coming in. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, yummy, yummy. Being interviewed on CNN. Bubba being interviewed on CNN. She was asked by the CNN reporter who's just enamored with her, of course, who does she think the best rapper alive is? Here we go. And then best rapper alive, Tupac. You said he lives on. Not a lot. I know. I keep doing that. Listen, West Coast girls think Tupac lives on.

56:10 I'm with you. I'm with you. So Tupac lives. I'm trying to say I keep doing that. Yeah. Since you start hanging out with Joe's at catching, is it something in the water? Ask her who the best NASCAR driver alive was. She said, Del Ernest. Who did she end up saying, by the way? She never answered it. She said there's a lot of good ones out there. She had no idea. Hey, best rapper alive. Tupac. Sharp. Sorry. He was gunned down about 20 years ago. Okay. Well, that's interesting because now I know what she's saying. Say, I keep doing that. And I think what she's saying is, I rehearse anything about black music, just say Tupac.

56:54 And so she just keeps saying Tupac. I smoke weed, Tupac. The best rapper alive, Tupac. Tupac. Who's number one on the charts? Tupac. Oh, man. And then to admit it like that, which, yeah, go ahead. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, it's weird. But that's the thing. And then the reason why I chose that clip to use, when you have a guy's name, Bubba laughing at you about your rap selection, you got a problem. You got a problem. Yeah. That just shows the depth of the, you know, she's the gift that keeps on giving to the Republican or right-leaning pundits because she just keeps stepping on rakes.

57:36 And she even said it herself. How do I keep making this mistake? And she just has what they call in baseball and sports called, she has the yips. Yeah, the yips. She has all, when you look at her resume, everything's there, right? She's a woman of color. You can, you know, saying if you're Angela Rai or April Ryan, you can make the hard sale that she's a quote-unquote black woman. You know, she had the credentials. She has the big money, Soros backing her. She has everything. But when it comes to speak, she's terrible. Seriously, I mean, it just amazes me how bad she is at her job.

58:19 But they just go to show you that doesn't matter. They were going to force her on us at 2020 and to the ADOS, FBA, Native Blacks, whatever term you want to use, the Black people of America with a lineage going back to this country as our genesis. We said no. And the reason why I'm pointing this out is this, when you feel powerless, when you go on social media and say no, this actually collectively has power if you have enough people pushing, you know what I'm saying, pushing a certain topic. With a hashtag. Yes. And that's why I always will give Yvette and Tone Talks their credit because without ADOS,

59:01 that hashtag, not what they did politically, they did. some sleight of hand stuff, but that's just, you got to give people credit where credit is due. And I always will give them their credit for that, of pushing, you know, the awareness of this hashtag and it being a separate entity and the collectiveness of black in America. So with that said, let me go ahead and get to why I thought Jussie Smollett was full of crap with his story because I have to lay this out. The Jussie Smollett story came on first on Fox News. I'm honoring my pants, getting ready to go to work, as I do every morning, talking to the TV, and my wife's rolling her eyes like, will this man please just stop?

59:44 And if I can just say something, I'd like to say to all the white men in America, take note of this. I learned this in college from my roommate. Black men iron their clothes every day themselves. This is a culture. This is a cultural difference. I'm not saying there's no white men who don't iron their shirts, but it's a cultural thing. Washing your own clothes and ironing them. I'm glad you pointed it out because it is a thing. It is a thing. I remember they'd be like, hey, I remember Ty, my roommate. It's like, hey, son, you got to use some tide on that shit. I'm like, what? I swear to God, it sounds so weird, right? But that's exactly what it was. And they're like, oh, man.

1:00:28 Let me show you how. What are you doing? Let me show you how to iron. He was so frustrated with me. All right. So let's, okay, this is the reason why I thought, do you remember? Just clip came on and this story came. No, well, I got the order mixed up. This story came on and then the Jussie Smullet came on. This is the order. So this came on. We can go ahead and play number 11 prior to them announcing the Jussie Smollett story. This sure does look dramatic. And I just found out that it is done in our area. More on that in a second. These images are of Metra in Chicago. That's a commuter rail system. It uses open flames to heat up rails in the extreme cold.

1:01:08 The heaters are gas-fed on maybe what's one of the most crucial parts of the tracks. This is called a switch. It swaps trains from one track to another. It is the only part of a rail system that moves. The heaters keep switches moving by melting snow and ice. If a switch gets clogged up, that will stop trains in a hurry. Our Metro does use open flame track heaters, just not right now. It uses an open flame only during snow and ice storms. Now, nothing is actually on fire, though it sure does look like it. This is sort of like a burner on a gas stove. There is one unintended side effect of all this. The flames can burn wooden railroad ties. That means they have to be replaced faster than usual. Pete Mundine, WUSA 9.

1:01:53 Yeah, it was a cold one. Cold. It was historically cold. I'm like, hold on, hold on, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. This guy, celebrity, goes out into weather cold enough where you had to set train tracks on fire to go get a subway sandwich and gets attacked in Chicago by white guys in this record cold snap by yelling, hey, Empire. No, no, no, no. No, no, that's too, that's too much. Now you've expected me to be dumb.

1:02:32 And that was the whole thing. But that was a sequential order. This story showed first. Then this Jussie Smullet story came on. This wasn't an actual clip, but reporting this, I was like, that's interesting. God never knew that they set train tracks on fire. Well, not set them on fire, but they had these burner type things to keep them warm. So that's what caught my interest. I'm like, that's very interesting. I never knew that. And I was like, man, it's cold in Chicago. And then they played the initial Jussie Smollett report. And I'm like, bull crap. I'm going to call it. And my wife and my daughter, you know, I'm like, man, I'm going to chop. And this goes into the market. Did they believe it initially? They were all in? Well, I don't think they really cared. I mean, because, but

1:03:18 hold on a second. It's important because here we have two women, ADOS, and the claim is, hey, they're lynching brothers out there. They didn't care. So the whole idea was stupid. Well, of course, it was really only to trigger white people, but that I said it, didn't I? Goggles back on? No, no, no, no, no. You hit it right on the head. This wasn't for us. This wasn't for our consumption. Got it. Because you're not walking Chicago. Random white dudes is walking up on black dudes in Chicago. No, no, no. Chirac. None of that sounds right. None of this sounds right.

1:03:58 But like I said, the. the deal sealer for me was you're not going out for Subway unless Subway means something totally different. If you're talking about Jared, I mean, but I digress. I digress fully on that one. Yeah, unless she's going to Subway for some pizza. But I don't get going out at that time of night to go get Subway. When we, like we said, we have car services, DoorDash was up and coming. Then Uber eats all these things. And you're going out to go get Subway. And I mean, we're talking about. Do what everyone else does. Make it grilled cheese. Come on. You're not going to go out.

1:04:37 And the ramen noodles. I mean, that's that's that's a good that's a good uh bedtime snack right there grilled cheese in it and a good pot of ramens um but yeah that that's what did it for me and a person that agrees with me is the only black juror on the trial uh and this is him being interviewed that said his story makes no sense a juror who convicted actor jusse smollett for making up his story about being attacked on the streets of chicago is speaking out today he was actually the lone black juror on the case and he's confident he made the right decision because to him smollette's testimony made no sense the lone black

1:05:17 juror on the jussie smollette trial is speaking out for the first time in this exclusive interview with wls tv andre hope says smollette's claim that he was attacked in a hate crime by the osundaro brothers simply made no sense two o'clock in the morning cold outside when you just use your common sense as what's there yeah it just it didn't add up hope said one critical piece of evidence that convinced him smollette made up the story was the noose which police video showed smollette leaving on his neck for cops to see as an african-american person i'm not putting that noose back on at

1:05:57 all um i didn't realize that he he was the lone black juror which they pointed out incessantly is that something that's in there set up for an appeal like racist jury i i doubt it i mean i think they want this thing to go away but um yeah it's just interesting that that would be the makeup of a jury in chicago a jury of his peers well i guess his peers are white i mean where you get you know you have these disqualifying questions have you heard the story and if you ask me as a juror it's like he's crazy first of all you're going you're going outside that code this is another this is another general generalization that we're talking about with irony as it as a just severe generalization oh i get to do it in a minute too go go go yeah black people hate

1:06:50 cold weather now wait does this go along with black people really don't dig swimming no i think that's a new thing yes because my father all their uncles everybody could swim um just as a quick story they would throw you in they would basically take you to the water hole the swimming hole wherever else and they would throw you in that's how you learn and you and that's how you learn um my brother is definitely afraid of water until he went to the military uh because my uncle grabbed him and gave him the old tradition of throwing you in and him my dad got to a big dust up over that

1:07:34 yeah so i think this swimming thing is more of a generational thing but cold weather i'm telling you as a survey if you ask any black person are you going back out to get subway in this temperature no and like i said that's a generalization but no sir we don't do the cold weather got it not at all i don't either mo believe me i don't either that's that's that's too much um so we stopped it it makes no sense uh let's go ahead and get to the part two of the juror the 63 year old retired civil servant says he had never seen the tv show empire and knew very little about smollette before being selected to the jury

1:08:13 i was shocked i was completely shocked that i was even picked at that point i took it very seriously he says he was disappointed to see he was the only black person on the panel how can we say that this is a jury of your peers when there's only one african american and there were plenty there so you could have got two three four african americans can handle the truth too and we can give an impartial judgment on a case and while he has no doubts about smollett's guilt he's still left with one lingering mystery i still have not figured out a motive to why this had to even happen he was a star

1:08:52 smoletta's awaiting his sentencing he could face up to 15 years in prison, but the juror says he hopes Mollette only gets probation and that Hollywood gives him a second chance. Oh, really? Yeah. I don't know about that. So the jury of the peers thing, I think we need to do a better job of having peers. But as I said before, when they're doing jury picking, certain questions can disqualify you. Like, are you aware of him on Empire? That might disqualify a certain segment of black people. Do you have an opinion on this case? It was such a huge social media story. Everybody knew about it. Yeah. Right. For him not to say he didn't know who Jesse Smollett was and he never seen the show that makes him rare

1:09:37 just amongst black people because it was kind of that kind of thing. Like, yeah, we're not rocking with Jesse. But you're correct there, I think, because with every other high-profile jury selection we've seen, it's been, oh, it's racist makeup, too many white people. And this one wasn't all they tried it, but I don't think it played the same way. And I think you're right. It's like, make it go away. We don't care. And nobody wanted to be on this jury, trust me, because this do you did was anybody really impartial? I mean, they do this thing. Have you heard about this dude? It's kind of hard not to hear about this story. So, of course, a lot of people probably disqualify themselves with their opinions on the case.

1:10:18 So, with that said, so he had two questions there. One, why did he leave the noose on his neck? So, we may need a little theorem in here, maybe not. But this was my answer to Star because Star had the same question, which I had to answer. I felt compelled to call in, and I was shaking like a leaf on the tree because naturally, I'm not a public speaker, I'm not afraid of public speaking, but just like, um, okay, just the first time being on the line, it was like, oh, you know, the kind of thing. But to me, I saw it as a Masonic ritual because part of the Masonic ritual is to leave a noose around your neck. And that was my answer to him on the esoteric

1:11:03 bullet kind of topic. Now, you brought up the anti-lynching bill, which that will explain it in the just know the political realm, but this was some kind of humiliation ritual. Huh. I see. And that was my original take on this case. And then, two, he asked, why? Why would he do this? And hopefully, in these next few sets of clips, I answered that. So, before we get into it, anything you else you want to say? No, I'm good. Let's move forward. All right. So, now we have to get into Miss Kim Fox and her celebrity ties. Yeah, Kim Fox is the district attorney. Yes, for

1:11:43 Soro's sister, number one. Yes, number one. Well, not number one, but she's one of the OG Sorrel sisters. Today, we're piecing together Cook County state's attorney Kim Fox's connections to certain celebrities. CBS2 Suzanne Le Maniel learned it includes a presidential candidate. Asked directly if she is friends with actor Jesse Smollett's sisters or anyone in the actor's family. Cook County State's Attorney Kim Fox said, I am not. But a Fox mentor does have a connection to the Empire star and his family. That senator and Democratic presidential candidate, Kamala Harris. What's up? In this January Instagram video, Harris is seen with Smollett and his sister Journey in a time's up rally in Los Angeles.

1:12:27 After Smollett's alleged attack in Chicago, Harris tweeted her support for the Empire star, saying, Smollett is one of the kindest, most gentle human beings I know. I'm praying for his quick recovery. After he was charged, she backpedaled on her support and what she had called an attempted modern-day lynching. There it is. So, Kim Fox has close tie to Kamala Harris. I think Kamala Harris ran Kim Fox's transition team when she won her spot in Chicago politics at the DA.

1:13:06 Yeah, so they're close. They're close, close, which now we understand who Kim Fox really is, the power of the DA. And this is one of our original conversations when I told you about the Soros sisters and what they were trying to do politically. And now we're seeing all mayhem is breaking loose three years later in these in every single city where there's a Soros sister where they're throwing people back out on the street who belong in jail. Correct. Which, if you want to use that logic, then Jesse Smollett shouldn't go to jail. Totally, of course. Have you seen New York, by the way, the new.

1:13:51 state's attorney there or district attorney? Yes. It's a dude. Same thing. It's like, well, if it was a weapon, it wasn't a gun, then it'll just be downgraded. Okay. I think Ram and Mary was on his way out. Laurie Lightfoot was on her way in. So all of this has, you know, political implications bigger than Chicago. We're talking about a mass rollout across the country. Revisioning the justice system, which we talked about justice saying plenty of times on this show, that we're not talking about fairness or the rule of law. We're talking about the spirit of justice that they like to talk about.

1:14:32 So with that said, let's go ahead and get into the second part of this Kim Fox Celebrity Ties. Fox has long shown her appreciation for Harris. On Fox's Twitter page, she writes of Harris, I would not be where I am today without her guidance during my first run for political office. And she has continued to mentor me as I work to reform the criminal justice system in Cook County. Fox is often photographed with celebrities. Here on her Facebook page, she's with Grammy winner John Legend at an event about the impact of violence on young people. In this February 28th post, she's with the Reverend Jesse Jackson. Smollett did his community service at Jackson's Rainbow Push organization.

1:15:12 Fox also attended the pre-Oscar event for Emily's List 2019 and was part of the Red Carpet Arrivals. Here, she's seen on Lisa Ling's Instagram. She was also given the 2018 Gabrielle Gifford's Rising Star Award by Emily's List. Well, the organization which supports female candidates for office gave Fox the award for her commitment to making positive change in her community. Emily's List also endorsed Kamala Harris for the Senate. We reached out to Harris for comment. We haven't heard back. Live in the newsroom, Suzanne Lemoneau, CBS Two News. The gang is all together. Yes, the gang is all together. And you heard Kim Fox say her, well, her quote saying Kamala is working with her to reimagine the justice system.

1:15:55 Yes. It's like Disney. We reimagine. We reimagine it all. Yeah. And to go to the, you know, just the political explanation why he left the new song, it was the lynching bill. Yep. Well, this lynching thing was laid out. Let me back up a little bit because they brought up Times Up as well. Yep. Which Time's Up is synonymous with who? Oprah Wentfrey. I'm not making the connection. Okay. Time's up was Oprah Winfrey when she came to the Golden Globes. I think it was in 2018. Oh, no, it was maybe 2019.

1:16:36 It was the date's not important. Oh, is that when they launched Time's Up and Alyssa Milano was out there and they all had special dress on or something? They all were black. Ah, yeah. Okay, yes, all were activists, which was, this was a COVID meetup is what it was. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. And she came out there. She's like, basically, what they did was hijack me too and rebrand it to Times Up. Yes, with Hollywood people. Yes, that was the whole point. But with that, she had Times Up going, which you heard Jesse Smuller and his sister was part of that whole push. So he's an active, he's a real activist. And his sister is too.

1:17:21 Journey, which we're going to get into a little later. And that was the sister communicating with Kim Fox. Got it. Which I see as maybe being one of his handlers in this whole thing. So we got Times Up going. We have the anti-lynching bill. But what we have to go back is one year prior to the rollout of the anti-lynching bill back in early 2018. We have Oprah Winfrey on 60 Minutes. And she does this. And really, you're going to have to watch the lost tape to get this visual, but let me lay out the visual. They go inside this memorial to the victims of lynching.

1:18:02 And what they have is these panels hanging from the roof that's kind of like the size of bodies. And as you walk into it, the room elevates. So it's like the panels are hanging higher and higher. They're supposed to be representative of the hanging people. So it's a very traumatic experience to go into this memorial. Don't take my word for it. This is Oprah Winfrey 60 Minutes inside a memorial to the victims of lynching. So you start with them at eye level, and then on this quarter, they begin to rise. And then you get to this corridor. And this is when you begin to confront the scale of all of these lynchings.

1:18:44 lynchings. Whoa. This is something. Yes. Yes. We wanted people to have a sense of just the scale of what this violence, what this terrorism was. So this is over 4,000 that have been documented, but of course, there are more. Thousands more. Thousands more. Thousands more. Do we ever even know how many? We will never know. Every name has its own story. Yes, that's right. This was a minister, Reverend T.A. Allen, who began talking to sharecroppers about their rights. And because he was doing that, the plantation owners, the landowners got together and they lynched him.

1:19:24 And the proof they used that he was somebody worthy of lynching is that when they found his body, he had a piece of paper that talked about share copper rights. And the other piece of paper he had in his suit jacket was a note that said, Every man a king. A lot of these folks were lynched because they showed too much dignity. They showed too much humanity. He just wanted to be respected as a human being. And it got him hanged. Oh, I have some questions. I'm realizing that I'm just thinking, okay, I want to understand the triggering of the lynchings for Ados.

1:20:07 Because, of course, I grew up and I was educated about the lynchings. And just sitting here listening to what she's saying, I really have no idea from a historical perspective. I don't know exactly when this took place. I don't know, was it a certain period? Was there a certain reason? Was it only sharecroppers? Was it, you know, I would say that probably I've been educated like, oh, the runaway slaves get lynched. I really don't know jack shit about the lynching. And I think that as a child, when I was taught this, I disassociated what I saw in the pictures from America, from anything that was even possible.

1:20:53 I'm like, oh, okay, well, I'm glad that shit's over. I need a little bit more background on how that is for you. Okay. So this is where, okay, let me start with the Justice Smell using the lynching and Oprah and Kamala using lynching. Lynching has a very specific traumatic trigger for black people in America, ADOS, however you want to label it, because that was the control mechanism on the plantation, or that's how the narrative goes that you take a very defiant or disobedient slave, you rope him up. And this is plantation. So we got to talk about

1:21:38 during slavery, post-slavery. During slavery, it was used as a control mechanism on the plantation to say, you take a defiant slave, you rope him up, and you hang him. Sometimes they were burned, dismembered, all the above. They would even take souvenirs. So that was on the plantation. Post-slavery, it was still used as a control mechanism, but it also became a kind of like a public celebration, which is not, I want to, and I got a whole nother show I'm going to talk about lynching on, but I just want to make it quick. Good. Yeah. Yeah, because it warrants that.

1:22:22 They know what they're doing when they use the term lynching, when they put that rope around his neck, whoever did it, when she rolls out this thing. But if this was to trigger white people, I don't think it works that well. Well, you have to be educated. See, this is the whole point of the memorial. This is the whole point of them rolling this out to educate you how bad lynching was. Now, let me make it clear: lynching was terrible. And they, like I said, they will burn you, dismember you. But it was not exclusive to black people because

1:23:02 the law of the rope exists American and predates America going back to English. They had how to hang people publicly. Okay, that was the whole point of it. So it was just as an informational data point. As a white American in the East Coast, and of course, I bopped around. I did go to international school, but the topic was covered, but it really was never covered to that degree. It was something that was really messed up and it happened and we dealt with. And you can forget about it because it's never going to happen again. Does that make any sense? any sense? Yeah, that's the severity of it was never, you know, I never knew how many

1:23:46 this museum sounds super interesting, but I think that you're right. The knowledge is if we're going to trigger white people, we got to educate them because they don't know, they don't know shit because we don't. That's the whole point of it. That whole push from Oprah. A year ahead of time, a year ahead of time. Yeah, we have to educate them on this so they can feel the obligation to vote the way we want them to vote. And the reason why Jesse Smullet got such a hard pushback, you don't play with lynching for black people. Even somebody getting a, you would have to kill me to get a rope around my neck. Right. I mean, that's that's what another thing with the story, like the guy was saying,

1:24:26 how do he let them get that rope around his neck and then to leave it on? And then the further story is he took it off and then put it on a car to put it on. No, no, it's it. I'm triggered right now to think about the fact that somebody putting a rope around my neck. No, you don't play because what that is on a human, let's just take it back one step back. When somebody puts something around your neck, that could be a leash or to kill you. You see what the human nature is. You're not going to get that kind of control on me or over me just on a human level. But then when you've been indoctrinated with trauma-based entertainment of the strange fruit from Billie Holiday,

1:25:07 with the, like I said, every movie has illusion of in modern day era of illusions of hanging, which, like I said, lynching happened. And the real problem with lynching in modern day times was the mob justice that came along with it. Where just say, for instance, oh, this guy did it. Let's go in. Let's, but the guards or the sheriff would pretty much turn the guy over to the mob. They would string him up right there, judge, jury, executioner, or they would put pressure on the judge to have a mock trial, basically. And then let's just go ahead and hang him. So that was the real, I mean, like, it was more the,

1:25:46 like I said, the modern day hanging that was the issue because that was you, there is no justice. There is, it's my, it's mob rule. Right. So, and, and, and the reason why it was triggered for me is I'm old enough to know grandparents, aunts, everything else saying don't go down certain roads because black men disappeared on that road. Uh, when you go out at night, um, you travel with somebody else, or you don't even go out at night. I mean, this, this is in your lifetime, in your lifetime, in my lifetime, we had like this going to this corner store. There was a road that would cut between our house and the corner store, but you didn't take that dirt road.

1:26:31 You better not get caught on that dirt road. You had to take the long way to the corner store. And this is like I said, I'm born in 1980. So I find it very disgusting that they would use this as a political tool or a triggering thing. So that's why it's also highly risky. I think it was a risky strategy to start with. They overestimated what they could do with this for all the reasons we're talking about. There's a lot of moving parts to that to just to try and reconfigure the American mind in a year's time. I think it was week, weeks. Two years. Because you got to think this was 2018, 2018 that Oprah had this whole memorial rolling out.

1:27:14 But the beauty of the taking the lynch, and I hate to use the word beauty of it, but politically from their perspective, the beauty of it was we don't know how many lynchings happened. So we can keep finding more and more cases in the past to trigger you on. Where now, if you want something in the future, as with Jesse, we got to manufacture it. It's a lot of people. So they were really taking a page out of the Holocaust Museum playbook. Yes. Got it. It's perpetual victims. Whereas now, like with Jesse, it's a risk. We can't do these hoaxes anymore. It's cameras on every corner. There's tracking of everything. So we need something that can be, you know, repeatable. And that's why I think they took the lynching bill aspect of it.

1:27:59 And either way you want to look at it, maybe just Jesse and his sister or his handlers were like, hey, we can throw Kamala Alley with this whole lynching hoax and it runs great with her with her initiative that's coming down the line with the anti-lynching bill or somebody put in the call to say, hey, Jesse, activate. I don't know. I can't speculate to how that happened. Oh, God. Hey, Jesse, activation time. Right. So with that. said, you heard her jump on the lynching, throw the lynching terms in there.

1:28:38 So I think we stopped 17 is next. Yeah, so let's go ahead and listen to Kamala and her on the House floor discussing the anti-lynching bill. Excuse me, Senate floor, excuse me, the Senate floor discussing the anti-lynching bill. James Baldwin once said that, quote, not everything that is faced can be changed, but nothing can be changed until it is faced. And that is why we are here again today to face the history of lynching in this country. From 1882 to 1986, the United States Congress failed to pass anti-lynching legislation when it had the opportunity more than 200 times.

1:29:25 We have an opportunity once again to right this wrong and face the ugly history of lynching in America. And let's recall this stain on America's history. Lynching. It was an act of terror. It was murder. These were summary executions. Victims of lynching were dragged out of their homes. They had ropes wrapped around their necks. They were hanged on trees. In many cases, they were castrated and burned as crowds of people watched and applauded.

1:30:05 And the premise underlying all of these acts was that black people were not full human beings. According to the Equal Justice Initiative, lynching was used as an instrument of terror and intimidation 4,084 times during the late 19th and 20th centuries. You know, it's Oprah's number. Listen to this. This was about the presidency of the United States of America. And there's this group of people, including Soros, all in on this, all in on Kamala, and we're going to make her and the Democratic Party.

1:30:49 And I don't know if Hills was in on it, the Clintons. I don't know if this was just a fraction. But if, I mean, to become president, the power that you have, what you can do, I mean, you can address printing trillions of dollars. You can go to war, all these things. If these people truly were genuine and they really wanted to make her president, they should have hung Jesse Smolette up for real. That would have worked. Like real hanging. Whoops. But like I said, with the surveillance state we live in, see, that's the problem.

1:31:29 They're trying to balance two things. It's one, we're living in a surveillance state, which I'm going to make it clear right now that we're headed towards another crime bill right now. This whole thing, the whole yummy, what will little yummy be? Who will be the poster child of the new crime bill? Well, it's these smashing grads. Yes, I know. I know. Exactly. It's completely lawlessness, which is being done by people like Kim Fox. So, and it's going to ratchet up. The very thing that caught Jesse Simulla and his cohorts is increased surveillance to the point where there will be robots doing the surveillance.

1:32:13 There will be, you know, things riding up and down the sidewalk. We already have the, yeah, that'll be for the poor people. And as you stated a long time ago, private police, it's popping up everywhere. Private police force. And I know cops here in Hill Country who are saying, you know, one of my buddies, he wanted to go back on the force. And after the, what's her name? The Potter trial. He said, oh, I'm not going back. He says, good, bad, or indifferent. If the city council, if the mayor, if the police chief, if no one has your back, why take the risk?

1:32:57 He says, and I can go work for private police force, be eating pizza all night, and make twice as much money. So then you get worse cops. Yeah, of course. Of course. More cops, more crime. Devolves. They'll make the poor black people in those communities beg for something to happen. And what they're going to do, give you is robotic policing, which is another level to surveillance, to your ringdoor bill. Your ring door bill will have wheels riding up and down the sidewalk. So that's where we're headed, but they're going to make us beg for it the same way they introduced. introduced drugs in 94. More drugs, handcuffed the police.

1:33:34 Uh, you had the Rotney King thing that happened that put police on watch or say, Well, I don't really want to do anything. More crime, more drugs. Then they say, Okay, beg for mass incarceration. You got it? Yeah, mass incarceration, less fathers, more crime. So, this whole thing repeat. Yeah, there's no, nobody's on our side in this whole thing. Do you think source is on your side? I don't think so. Uh, and as you said, they don't have to string Jesse Smellett up, they don't have to. I mean, like people are in formation, yeah, half the people are thinking that he was almost strung up, which is uh, is even better because he's not a martyr.

1:34:16 You see what I'm saying? He's an icon, he's a fighter, he's a rotter. Um, and like I said, that's even better in their eyes. So, I guess we can go ahead and move on to now. This is uh, Kim Fox facing calls to resign. I'd walk there in Chicago. Okay, let's stay in Chicago to get this story. Cook County, Illinois District Attorney Kim Fox, facing calls for her resignation after allegedly lying about her contacts with Jesse Smollett's family before she ultimately dropped the original charges against the actor. Fox said publicly she stopped talking to Smollett's sister after he became a suspect. But a special prosecutor's report finds Fox continued communicating with her days after.

1:34:56 Let's bring in former DOJ prosecutor Jim Trussi. I think this is quite amazing. I want to read from the retired judge Sheila O'Brien, who said Kim Fox should resign. This report shows she is a liar, that her administration is in chaos, and that she's blaming everyone else. She should resign. Taxpayers deserve better, and Mrs. Preckwinkle, her mentor, should take no part in replacing Fox. Cook County government needs to clean house. And basically, this text showed that Smollett's sister and Fox were in communication. And Fox says, Your brother should be fine as long as he stays consistent. How does she stay in the job after this? Yeah, maybe only in Cook County.

1:35:34 I don't know. I mean, look, Dana, Kim Fox is a progressive prosecutor who broke from the strength of the case to her contact with Jussie's sister to even Jussie Smollett's criminal record. They kept saying publicly he has no criminal record. He had a DUI with, of all things, a false statement to police conviction. That's a pretty material piece of information that they lied about. Oh, man. So this is where equity plays into it. Even if he did it and it's a hoax, stick to your story, Jesse or Juicy. We got you. You know what I'm saying? Just stick to it. And now people wonder why Juicy is sticking to his story and seems like he's crazy.

1:36:15 It's like, we know, we know what happened, but he's like, nope, it didn't happen. And it's gaslighting. Yeah. It's gaslighting to people that know what happened, or we have surveillance information that proves what happened, but he's still saying, nope, I was attacked. And that people in formation believe him and just keeps gaslighting. And they have their hand on the justice mechanism. So it's like, hey, you're good. You just keep to your story. And he's going to come out gold on the other side of this because to a certain segment of society, he did what he had to do. He's a hero. What that is. Now, what that is, what he did, is a whole nother story or what was done to him.

1:36:56 And we'll leave that as a clifflike hanger. But let's go ahead and get into the second part of this clip. But the conversation with the sister is astounding to me because it really walks right up to the line of obstruction of justice. She's sitting here telling him, telling the sister, now that I know he's a suspect, as long as he's consistent as in keeping with that false story, he should be okay. That's an amazing moment for a public official, a prosecutor, to be coaching that. If you see it that way, and many others see it that way, why does the state and the county disagree? I mean, last night, Cook County in Illinois came out with a statement saying, we disagree what the state has found against Kim Fox.

1:37:34 Why? Yeah, I don't know what the political loyalties are there. I mean, Cook County certainly has a, I think, a well-earned reputation for political mischief. But this is just outrageous to the citizens of Chicago. You've got a chief law enforcement officer who is lying over and over again to cut a sweetheart deal for a two-bit actor just because that's what she wants to do. It has nothing to do with justice, everything to do with personal favoritism. And the lies are something that shouldn't be tolerated no matter which city you're in, no matter which state's attorney's office, your chief law enforcement official should not be out there repeatedly lying about demonstrably false things.

1:38:13 Well, and the other thing is, what about the breakdown in trust between police officers out there with their lives on the line and prosecutors like Kim Fox? Well, the celebrities, the actors, and all. a lot of news folks are on camera in the very early days showing their support for Jesse, Jesse Smollett, and maybe Kim Fox was right there with him. We will see. Jim, thank you. Nice to see you, Jim Trusty. Thanks. You know, I listened to that, and I'm so hopeful for America, but I think we have to go through another round of massive bullcrap. You may be right about a new crime bill. This is so intentional.

1:38:56 It's textbook. It really is. Jesse was in a great spot because no matter what, he's going to land in a good spot. Even if he just took one for the team, you know, they got the story out there with the distraction. Soros has his people in all the spots that he, I mean, this was his plan, strategic, you know, takeover of the whole judicial system. And as they were saying in this clip, they were saying, what about the distrust between the cops and the DA and between law and order, right? You have law being the legal system, and you have order being the law enforcement system.

1:39:39 And there's a wedge driven there, which it couldn't turn out any better for Soros. And when I say Soros, I think the old man has sat down, and this is the new, this is his son. His kid, yeah. Yeah, this is his son. This is the new playbook that's being played. What's his what's it? Andy Andrew? I think it's Alex, I believe. Alex. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Alex Soros. You're right. That's the one we need to keep our eye on. I don't think it's new playbook. I think you're right. He's probably been running it for a while, actually, now I think about it. Right. And you see that. And so before we get into the people that's supporting Jesse, let's get into the people that's supporting us. Yes. And what we're doing here is always explained at the top of our

1:40:24 donation segments. First, the white man and the black man have to be able to sit down at the same table. The white man has to feel free to speak his mind without hurting the feelings of that Negro. And the so-called Negro has to feel free to speak his mind without hurting the feelings of the white man. Then they can bring the issues that are under the rug out on top of the table and take an intelligent approach to get the problem solved. That's the only way that they'll ever do it. That's right. And by doing that today, we have uncovered some interesting things: habits of men in America with their clothes. We have discussed lynching, quite some differences in how these things were taught and perceived.

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1:58:00 They're just using Jesse as a skin. Come on, y'all. It was no victims. They can't really prove it. Everything was, even if that was a hoax, even if it was a hoax, this is really happening all the time. And even if it was a hoax for the sake of bringing attention to this, then I'm like, that's low-key noble. I'm just at my wit's end about us centering situations like this and wanting to make people have to pay. And it's like, Emmett Till's accuser was a lot. I think she's still alive. And this young man died and she announced that she was lying about it. They should have put the shackles on her that day. And she's walking around. So no one was hurt in this situation.

1:58:44 Nobody, you know what they're mad about? Their time, their resources being the money, the taxpayers' resources, taxpayers' resources are being used every day to imprison people who have done nothing but be an addict. So I don't want to hear about Jesse Smollett. Okay, but I want to hear about people that feel that, well, what if a hate crime really happens to me? And now, because of what Jesse Smollett did, now they don't believe. If this is, if this one instance is what makes them not believe you, baby, that's a lie that they're telling ourselves. We have lived in a nation where they don't believe hate crimes every day. Wow. What show was this? This was on The Real. Man, that's a dangerous show. And now you hear the power of lynching because she went and invoked the biggest name in lynching in modern history is Emmett Till.

1:59:33 Emmett Till, yeah. And that was her clean all kind of, let me throw Emmett Till's name out here to get people to clap. And you heard instantly the crowd went along with it. You have to explain Emmett Till. Well, Emmett Till was a young man that was vacationing in the South. He allegedly whistled at a white woman and a mob came to his house, carried him away, killed him, and threw him in a river with a cotton gin fan around his neck. His body was mangled and you know, dismembered, but his mother allowed the casket to be opened for his funeral, which the media ran with that story and those pictures.

2:00:13 And it basically brought attention to the problems in the South. Now, let's just establish this was the 50s, right? This is a long, this isn't, I think it would think it was earlier than that. I want to say it was the 20s or 30s, if I'm not mistaken. I'm terrible with dates. Let me make sure I get that right. Because it was part of the great, it was great, part of the great migration. The second wave. Let me see. You caught me flat footed here, Adam. No, it's 55. Excuse me. It was 55. You're right. Oh, I see it here in the Wikipedia. Yeah, 55.

2:00:51 Okay. Yeah. Yes. So only 10 years before I was born. 10 years before. The reason why I got confused was they used stories like this lynching Emmett Till to drive people out of the South to the North in the Great Migration starting in 1914 because they needed us for the money. But didn't this happen in Chicago? No, no, no, no, no. He was actually from Chicago. Oh, but he was vacationing in the South. Right, right. Oh, I remember. He went down that dirt road. He didn't listen. Well, what he did was, like I said, he wasn't aware of the customs of the South and allegedly whistled. And that's what she was referring to. The white woman should have been locked up for getting Emmett Till killed.

2:01:36 But I want to say this: the reason why I'm not. Wait a minute. Wait, wait. Yes. The white woman, what else did she do besides getting whistled at? She said that he whistled at her. Now, the story was that he didn't whistle at her. So it's some great area there. But the point I want to make is this is the selective, even in 1955, the selective outrage in the media because at the same time, Emmett Till was being killed in the South and highly publicized to say the South is bad, which I think they were really trying to drive the black people out of the South to get their land away from by using terror and to drive them into the city centers, which fostered the no man in the house, that kind of thing, replacing the father with the state as the father.

2:02:24 And at the same time, there was a young man in a public beach, public segregated beach in Chicago that floated from the black side to the white side. He was basically stoned and drowned. And nobody's ever heard the story. So I'm just saying that to say they selectively use, and this is something I will cover in a future show on lynching, but Emmett Till is the Trump card when you want to play the, you know, the lynching hand. And that's what she did there. Yeah. Which I find very disgusting because, one, let me just say this: Amanda Seal. Seal has a couple of hoaxes or alleged hoaxes under her belt.

2:03:06 What she done with the guy named Myron Roll, which he was a NFL player and a road scholar. And she outed him basically as a sexual predator, which is not true. And she did it on Charlemagne the Guard show. And she was like, basically, I didn't say his name, but how many NFL players are role scholars? Not many. Not many. Right. So you basically said his name, but then she was later called out for it. But that goes to show their mentality. Long as it's for the greater good, they don't care how they use it. They don't care. They don't care at all because you can invoke the kind of support that she got off of the

2:03:51 crowd when she said Emmett Till's name. That was the, you know, to clean it up. So still, that was what some of the hosts were like, well, I don't know about that, Amanda. And she doubled down on the next clip. Every single shit. But I didn't want to hear an answer, but I just want to ask. I just want to ask because Jesse is the, like, it is huge nationwide news because he is famous. So if it was a hoax, what do you think is the correct punishment? And do, or do you think he should be? They got murderers on probation, Jesus. Sure, sure. But I'm asking about Jesse Smollett. I'm asking about that because you said it. Where's Low Key Noble? I just literally should be like, he should be applauded. Damn. They got smacks on the wrist for all these people and they can't give a smack on the wrist to Jesse Smollett.

2:04:33 Like, because they're saying that it's the whole big thing. I'm just, I don't believe it. And we look at black men who are constantly getting the book thrown at them all the time. All the time. All the time. Oh, now the black man is hella helpful. We're the political football. And this is what we saw in 2020. And she was the one who was telling them, I don't care. I don't care what the candidate is. She caped hard for Kamala. Just go vote. Basically, she was the one. Her and Angela Rai was two of the most vocal people to force black people to go vote Democratic and shaming, shaming tactics or whatnot.

2:05:13 But so that goes to show you, even if Jesse, it is a hoax, there are a group of people out there that see him as a hero. And that was the point of that. No, no, no. Low-key Noble. Low-key Noble. Yes. Great t-shirt. I love it. Great t-shirt. But you know what? She's also including herself to say, well, if I threw a black man under the bus for being a predator, even if he isn't, there are black men that are predators out there. So I'm low-key noble. So she was even subconsciously, I believe, letting herself off the hook for what she has done in the past. But she's already using the situation that the Soros sisters have created with this, you know, oh, slap on the wrist, go home.

2:05:58 But she's using it as the justification. But they're the source of the problem. Hello, we don't want murderers to get slaps on the wrist. That's what that's the whole problem because where do they live? They're not going into your neighborhood. They're coming back home to the neighborhoods that they know they terrorized. And terrorized. Right. So it's this weird thing that they're using terror to let Terror off the hook, which is very evil. Evil. Let's just call it evil. And a mind screw. It's a complete mind screw. So now we have to get into who are the Smolletts. So I have the untold truth of the Smollett family.

2:06:38 Jake, Jaz, Jussie, Janie, Jockie, and Jojo. Some are stuck in Scandal, some are rising stars, and all of them are pretty good cooks. Here's everything you need to know about the Smollett family. We have arrived. The Smollett siblings are the children of Joel Smollett Sr., a Russian Polish Jew, and Jeanette Smollett, an African-American from New Orleans. The couple moved around a lot when the kids were young, alternating between the East and West Coast. According to a 2020 interview by Essence with Jazz and Jake, they relocated between states as many as 13 times. Jeanette Smollett and her late husband, Joel Smollett Sr., were activists that rubbed shoulders with everyone from the co-founders of the Black Panther Party to the most prominent civil rights leaders of the day.

2:07:23 In a 2016 interview, Jesse Smollett told the New York Times, My mom was in the movement with Bobby Seale and Huey Newton. And one of her first mentors was Julian Bond. To this day, Angela Davis is one of her dearest friends. We've spent Mother's Day with Angela. The company that the Smolletts like to keep clearly rubbed off on their children because they've been protesting pretty much their whole lives. According to Journey, she was five years old when she joined her mom at her first protest. She was out in the streets holding a sign when the Los Angeles cops who beat Rodney King were acquitted on assault charges. She told the Hollywood Report. reporter that she was even allowed to see the film Malcolm X when it was still in theaters. As she puts it, my mom would cover her eyes in certain parts, but she didn't want to shield us from our history.

2:08:05 More recently, the Smallette siblings have lent their support to the Black Lives Matter movement by attending marches and protests. Actor Alfre Woodard, who worked with the siblings of the non-profit artist for a new South Africa, told the New York Times, their sense of justice is very strong and it permeates everything that they do. Is this all true? Yes, the mother rubs shoulders with the Black Panthers, which with all the infiltration going over there, it's amazing how these people rub shoulder with the Black Panther, but they're still free. I wonder how that works out. But yeah, so you heard they've been activists from their wee days. I'm sure they were saying, Fuido. You know, that kind of

2:08:51 lineage, man. Jussie's got hold on. Yeah, I have that here. Where is that? There it is. Thank you, sir. So, so we see it's this ilk of so-called people brought up, you know, in the you know, uh, system of activism from a very early age. Kamala being warned by her by her own testimony. And then we see uh Jesse and uh Journey, which Journey, I think, is the biggest star in the family. And I see Jesse being like the Fredo in the family kind of thing. Um, he can never be bigger.

2:09:30 Right, well, even then, he could never be bigger than his sister. His sister has us a significant um uh catalog of stuff she started in from a very early age. What's her name again? Um, Journey Smollett. She was the black girls uh that played in Full House. Oh, wow. That was uh Michelle's friend. So she goes back that far. And then her cat, I mean, she's played opposite of uh Denziel Washington, Samuel Jackson. Uh, um, um, uh, what's the uh drawing blanks now? Uh, Alfred, Alfred Wooder. Um, what's the other lady's name to play Tina Turner?

2:10:13 I'm drawing a blanket. Angela Basil, another she plays opposite all of these celebrities, so she has chops. And I think, like, um, she is the real, she's the real star of the family. She's also been a lot in a lot of um kind of like vampire occultish type TV shows, Twilight, uh, Twilight's. Oh, yeah, she's a very dark person through blood, yeah, it's very, which we're gonna get in that maybe in the lost tapes on that of that side of it because a lot of stuff that wouldn't translate through audio. But right, uh, with that said, let's see. Uh, we stopped at we got 24, okay, we had 24.

2:10:53 Ah, yes, Kim Fox and her buddies. Yes, let's go ahead and get into that one and find out a new name in the story. No one can speak for a woman like a woman. Despite the public backlash and accusations from as high up as the mayor, that Jesse Smollett's celebrity influence and power played a role in the charges against him being dropped. Kim Fox maintains that his case was not treated any differently than similar cases. I'm Tina Chen. I am formerly chief of staff to First Lady Michelle Obama, and I was also the executive director of the White House Council on Women and Girls for President Obama.

2:11:33 Tina Chen, former chief of staff to Michelle Obama, reached out to Kim Fox on behalf of the Smollett family, saying they have concerns about the investigation. In the exchanges, Fox seen trying to get the case turned over to the FBI. Texting Chen, I make no guarantees, but I'm trying. Yeah, this was a great little piece of the whole story that never really got the follow-up. It certainly deserved. Oh, well, we're going to do it now. So, Tina Chin, I have to make this one thing. And when we say stuff like this, we got to be clear that we do it sometimes, but we have to be clear. We're not talking about people personally, but just the optics of people when they're portrayed in the media.

2:12:17 And one thing I've noticed is these women around Michelle Obama, aka Big Mish, have very large faces and heads. Kim Fox has a very large head. Tina Chin has a very, I mean, like, abnormally large. I'm just saying without saying. But let's go ahead and get into it. No, I'm just, what is like, what is that? I don't know what that is. Could be a lot of things. I don't know. But let's see. So, Tina Chin, we brought her in. into the story. So, let's go back up a little bit and we heard about

2:12:55 Journey Smollett and Jesse Smollett being active in the Times Up, and which Times Up was, I believe, is the co-opting of the Me Too movement by Oprah. I have some facts later that lends to that analysis. And let's go ahead and get into the co-opting of the Times Up movement, and then we'll work our way back into the Journey Smolette working with the Times Up movement. In 1944, Reese Taylor was a young wife and a mother. She was just walking home from a church service. She'd attended in Abigail, Alabama, when she was abducted by six armed white men, raped and left blindfolded by the side of the road, coming home from church.

2:13:39 She lived, as we all have lived, too many years in a culture broken by brutally powerful men. For too long, women have not been heard or believed if they dared to speak their truth to the power of those men. But their time is up. I just hope that Reese Taylor died knowing that her truth, like the truth of so many other women who were tormented in those years and even now tormented, goes marching on.

2:14:18 It was somewhere in Rosa Parks' heart almost 11 years later when she made the decision to stay seated on that bus in Montgomery. And it's here with every woman who chooses to say me too. And every man, every man who chooses to listen. The new day is on the horizon. And when that new day finally dawns, it will be because of a lot of magnificent women, many of whom are right here in this room tonight, and some pretty phenomenal men

2:15:03 fighting hard to make sure that they become the leaders who take us to the time when nobody ever has to say me too again. Take it. So, yeah, so nobody would say me too again. I think this was the co-opting of the Me Too movement, sort of how Black Lives Matter co-opted the grassroot movement of Ados slash Foundational Blacks. 100%. 100%. This was Oprah coming in, cleaning up, because you know, you had the Max Maxwell, Jalene Maxwell case, if I pronounced that right.

2:15:48 Also, Harvey Weinstein, everybody. Harvey Weinstein, everything was lingering out. They're like, we can't have this grassroots out here. Let's go ahead and switch gears from Me Too. Yeah, and it was Time's Up, and we'd be in a position of control. And it was Alyssa Milano, whose husband is an agent at what's the big agency, William Morris, I think. So it was a lot of William Morris clients and people. Oh, yeah, it was very managed. Very managed. So much so that Ceal came out and used a meme to criticize Oprah in Times Up. After Oprah's speech at the Golden Globes, people have tried to make the claim that she knew about Harvey Weinstein's criminal acts.

2:16:29 Even the singer Seal shared this meme, which has photos of Oprah and Harvey together. And it says, when you have been part of the problem for decades, but suddenly they all think you are the solution. That seems like a pretty direct dig at Oprah, no? It is really diverse. It is in those photos. Yes, we also wrote, oh, I forgot. That's right. You heard the rumors, but he had no idea he was actually seriously assaulting young starry-eyed actresses who in turn had no idea what they were getting into. My bad. But wait. Ooh, Sanctimonious Hollywood. That's the hashtag right there. Sure. But now, Seal says he wasn't dissing Oprah at all. Come on. What? Amount of respect. What did Seal say?

2:17:14 He's not dissing Oprah at all. Get the phone right now. That's a long hashtag. But now, Seal says, he wasn't dissing Oprah at all. Come on. Amount of respect for everything that Oprah has achieved and contributed in her life. What I reposted was not an attack on Oprah at all. She just happened to be the person photographed with the pig in the picture. No, what I reposted was commentary on the hypocritical and double-standard nature and behavior of Hollywood. So, Fox News, back off. Don't try and use me as a porn against Oprah and in any of your political games.

2:17:58 And Stacey Dash, keep my name out of your mouth. Do not retweet, requote anything I have said in order to reinforce your self-hating agenda. You live in the sunken place. Again, this was not an attack against Oprah. Wow. You know, you rarely hear Seal speak. And Seal was a cool dude. You know, it's like, just Seal's like, yeah, cool, man. Ah, supermodel. Yeah, shit. I divorced her. I don't need her. You know, just like, oh, man. And now you hear him talk like that. Oh, he loses cool points. That phone, you see, now we're seeing how powerful that phone is.

2:18:41 Very powerful. Boulet. The meme he posted had Oprah. It's a very famous picture of Oprah with the white actress and Harvey Weinstein. Like he's she's basically handing this actress over to him. Yeah, here you go, Harvey. Like a handle-like type thing. So how could you get that confused? But then he does this chicken squat kind of thing. It's not a pivot. He does this chicken squat kind of thing to say, to try to pick on Stacey Dash, which they love to kick these people around. And I'm not taking up Stacey Dash because she has her own issues that she's dealing with.

2:19:21 And she is an opportunist, you know what I'm saying, to win brownie points with the conservative side whenever she can. But to say, oh, you live in the sunken place, basically saying that is a throwback to the movie Get Out, when the white person took over the black person's body and the black actor would go into the sunken place where he had no control. That's what he's alluding to. Oh, that's a pretty good slam. I hadn't heard that. I didn't catch that. Okay. It's a backhanded way to saying you're controlled by white people. So that's what he's saying. Has anyone else used that hate as well? Has anyone else used that term? Whenever you hear that term sunken place, that is an allusion to the movie Get Out.

2:20:03 Okay. And spoiler alert in the plot of the movie. I've seen it. Young black people. Yeah. So you get the point. And that's like you're being co-opted on a biological or personal level. And that's what he did. And I think it's very chicken squat because it's like, bro, you don't have, you know what you said. You got the call. You had to back off off of it. They said, hey, you want some more scars, Seal? Yeah, you better, you're saying you better get right. Wow. I'm sorry. Wow. I'm sorry. But hey, that's how, bro, that's how the boy don't get it twisted to get a man. Yeah, but okay, but that's but that's my point. Why did the bullet not just actually string Jesse up?

2:20:43 It would have worked. No, it's messy if you do it that way. Then you got dead bodies, you got cameras, you got this ain't 1964 and Kennedy no more. Everything is going to be psyops. Is it true? This is like the birth of where the good old guys who just hang someone up and just do it for real to make a point. Well, no, it's systematic now. And that's the whole point I've been trying to make out of 73 episodes. It's no more stringing up. It's a system. Just using the trauma, using trauma, using information and media to do it. Well, we saw it happen to Seal. Yep. It's like, stay in your line, stay in line, boy. You better stay in line. You know what I'm saying? Those are the real lynch mob now.

2:21:26 To make a man, like I said, of his stature physically and financially and celebrity to not only backtrack, but he did a disgusting way to do it to say, I wasn't talking about Oprah. You just twisted my word, bro. There's no other thing. I was reposting. You don't understand. A retweet is not my opinion. Right. Bull crap. So that's Seal and his Boulevard moment. But now we're going to get into Tina Chin and Michelle Obama's former chief of staff. And she announces her new position at Times Up. The Time's Up movement came to life nearly two years ago when more than 300 powerful women in Hollywood took a stand against sexual harassment in the workplace.

2:22:11 Its mission is to ensure equity and safety in the workplace across all industries. It's responding to survivors who came forward through the Me Too movement. CBS Corporation donated $20 million last year to advocacy groups working to end sexual harassment in the workplace, including Time's Up. Only on CBS this morning, Times Up is announcing the organization's new leader. She is here at the table. Just slipping in. We like that Tina. She is co-founder of Times Up Legal Defense Fund and the former chief of staff to First Lady Michelle Obama. Tina Chen joins us first on CBS this morning. Congratulations and welcome. Oh, thank you.

2:22:52 Thank you. I could not be more thrilled to be able to take this job. Why are you thrilled? Because there's been a couple of hiccups. You know, four months ago, we had to make a change at the top, and now you are here. What's your biggest challenge? I want to know why you're so thrilled. I saw you back when you were getting ready, and thrilled would be the word to describe you. Thrilled, thrilled it is. Well, Gail, I've been living these issues my whole life. I've been a single working mom my entire career, working in places like law firms and the White House. So I've seen the issues that women confront in workplaces. So just a couple of weeks ago, folks from Time's Up were with Governor Cuomo when he signed the New York safety agenda that changed laws here in New York, you know, to help protect victims of sexual assault.

2:23:38 Oh, okay, okay, okay. Hold on, hold on a second. So, first of all, wow, that was so the shake-up was-I didn't realize that Kaplan was the CEO of Times Up. Yep. It had to go. It had to go, and they bring in Tina Chin. Jeez. And what's interesting is they're like, This is some kind of award. Like, oh, congratulations. It's so great, so fantastic. I got to look into this group. Is this a nonprofit, or do we, is there any? This is a curry cash investigation must commence on this.

2:24:20 Of course, you're going to, I'm going to need a curry cash check ASAP on this. Yeah. But yeah, and now we get to listen to Tina Chan and Journey Smilette do their mind control of these poor women. And this was at the United States of Women's Summit and back in 2018. It's a long clip, like I said before. Two minutes to 16 seconds. So stop. Feel free to stop where you want. Please welcome Tina Chen and Journey Smilet. Woo! All right.

2:25:01 Oh, hello, everyone. Tina, this is so amazing. Thank you. I'm here. Look at these beautiful people. Okay, so time's up. Time's up. Time's up. Time's up. Hashtag time's up. It's a global movement. It's a little over 100 days old. It is all across the globe. It's leaderless. It's, we stand here linked, not ranked. Okay, so tell us. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Yes. I knew you were going to make a fast stack. Please, please. Okay, it's not a global movement. Everyone still says, me too, me too, all over the world, not Time's Up.

2:25:44 Did she say leaderless? Leaderless? And we're linked, not ranked. That's a nice line. I wonder how you wrote that. That's a great line. But leaderless, we've already made clear who the leader is, Oprah. Yeah. Oprah's goal was to say what? No woman will have to ever say me to again. Is that a double meaning to that term to say they'll start saying Time's Up? Are she saying she's trying to eradicate the whole sexual harassment and sexual assault culture? Either one works. Either one works. Oboe movement. It's a little over 100 days old.

2:26:27 It is all across the globe. It's leaderless. It's, we stand here linked, not ranked. Okay, so tell us what's next. What's next? So what's next is let's start with talking about the Times Up Legal Defense Fund. Yes. $21 million in 100 days. Over 2,500 people have come to us for help. 2,500 in less than 100 days, over just over 100 days. Two-thirds of them identify as low-income. They are across 60 different industries, and they are saying things to us like, for the first time, I feel brave. For the first time, someone's listened to my story. So what's next is we got to keep pushing on the Legal Defense Fund.

2:27:09 Go to the National Women's Law Center's website, home of the Times Up Legal Defense Fund, NWLC.org. If you need help, you can find it there. If you are a lawyer or a public relations expert, you can volunteer there. And if you're none of those things, you can support it by finding more money. Hold a fundraiser in your local books, book your book group, your school, your neighborhood. neighborhood to support the Times Up Legal Defense Fund and keep speaking out and supporting everyone in their workplace because time's up. We are going to create safe and dignified workplaces for everyone. That's our goal. That's our mission. Work with us on it. Time's up. Time's up.

2:27:54 This is your movement. Okay, and this is rather interesting because the Time's Up Legal Defense Fund is a part of something. It's not its own entity. It's something much bigger, the National Women's Law Center. Yes. So this is a must. $21 million in 100 days. But this group has a lot more than that. This group is much bigger. So this is kind of like Austin,

2:28:33 Austin Legal Defense Fund, or Austin Black Artists Defense Fund or some shit like that. And you donate money and it doesn't go to them. It goes to the prison reform nonprofit in Houston that's not doing something for artists in Austin. And they don't even earn it. No, it's a whole. I'm just looking at this NWLC.org. This is huge. This is a big thing. This is real money here. I'll repeat again: $21 million in 100 days. Nothing compared to what these people are capable of. Yeah, I'm just saying, but they pulled it, plucked it out of thin air.

2:29:12 It's just like time's up. They co-opted the Me Too movement. And I have to say this right now to the whales out there. I know you're listening, Wales. Come closer, Wales. We need this kind of money. If they can get 21 million in 100 days, come on now. They have 20. So for their 2020 numbers, 2020 numbers, $68 million. And that's my point. This was just in 100 days. A whole new operation. Oprah goes online and says, time's up. So this is before the 21 million. Yes.

2:29:55 This is 2018 we're talking about. This is before they even got their, you know, got their feet under them. All right. And then the army of lawyers as well. But they're doing the same thing. If you're a lawyer, come on and donate your time. Donate your talent. Yeah. That's what they're saying to them. This thing has been around since 2014. They started off with 10 million bucks. Oh, yeah. This is big. There's a big pig Goldman Sachs people on here. Oh, okay. Wow, thanks. I got to go look at these Jamokes. Well, let's get into Journey Smallette activism now. And this is her talking to Jamil Hill about the path from being a shout actor to being an activist.

2:30:41 Was there something that you saw or experienced in South Africa that where this light bulb went out? So many things. You know, I've been volunteering with this nonprofit called Artist for New South Africa since I was 12. And it was, you know, I was inspired by so many people. I mean, my mom is an activist, so I come from that spirit. There was going to be no other option but to be active in my family, right? But watching my village, you know, I had this village of mentors who were artists and activists like Samuel Jackson and Alfred Woodard and Blair Underwood and Latania Richardson, you know, these people who, you know, were as active in front of the camera as they were off, you know, and were really able to use their platform in any way they could

2:31:28 to be change makers. And so I was their youngest board member and they were taking a delegation of, you know, them and a bunch of other folks were going to South Africa to build some wells in some of the townships and, you know, just do more on-the-ground work. And I was broke. I mean, there was no chance in hell, my broke ass, you know, was going to be able to go, you know. Like my family, we grew up so poor. Okay. Like, it don't matter if we were on TV or not. Like, we had real, real poverty issues. All right. All right. All right. Couple things. One, she sounds just like Kamala. Yeah.

2:32:09 That last bit there, this, I'm going to replay this last couple of seconds here. Ground work. In fact, it's when she code switches, when she, when she goes, you know, we are at par. I'm tired, Nama. And I was broke. I mean, there was no chance in hell. My broke ass, you know, was going to be. able to go. There it is. Tamil Love. Okay. Like, how poor were you? Okay. That's one, two. When you're doing work in South Africa, the people who are suppressed in South Africa are the white people. So I'm not sure who she's helping. There's this small thing. Well, we got to go back.

2:32:50 We got it. Was it what's the thing called? Race, something conciliation. Was it reconciliation in South Africa? Yeah, what's the thing called? Race and reconciliation or something like that. Oh, they took away the white farmers' farms. Hello? That's what they want to do here. Yeah. That's the ground. That's the groundwork. Are we putting some wells and some other groundwork? You know, yeah. That's what that's where they go to do these test runs at to come back with the communist ideas that they have and run them here.

2:33:34 And with that said, let's go ahead and get into okay. Speaking of communists, okay, now I got to set this clip up. Right. So Journey Smollett played in this movie called The Great Debaters with Denzel Washington and Forrest Whitaker. I think it was produced or either funded by Oprah and it's about this black debate team at this rural HBCU. And Denziel plays this kind of change agent. And I'll let him explain his role more, but I think I set it up well. So let's go ahead and get into the great debaters clip.

2:34:18 Jesus was a radical. Dr. Farmer. Congratulations, Melvin. Thank you. You have put us onto the map. Well, the son is doing a great job. His research is impeccable. That's good to hear. It's good to hear. Listen, there are people around town who aren't very happy with your off-campus activities. They're calling you a radical. In fact, I wouldn't be a bit surprised to find out one morning when I woke up that you were strung up to a tree. They'd have to catch me first. This is serious, Melvin. Very serious. A hungry Negro steals a chicken, he goes to jail. A rich businessman steals bonds, he goes to Congress. I think that's wrong. Now, that makes me a radical, a socialist, a communist.

2:35:04 Jesus was a radical. Careful. Yes, he was. Jesus was a radical. Middle institutions are filled with people who have confused themselves with Jesus Christ. Oh, you're convinced of Jesus Christ now? You're convinced of Jesus Christ? You know what words do. Okay. Come on now. Amen. Don't want to confuse yourself in Jesus Christ. I'm not confused. I'm convinced. I'm not judging you. I'm just concerned about your methods. I haven't seen this movie. And now I do want to see it. So now you hear the politics infiltrating the art. Oh, yeah. And once again, this was, I believe, produced by Oprah, starring Journey Smollett. And to bring Oprah back into it, I hate to go back, but let's go back to clip number 16.

2:35:49 I'll probably cause you flat-footed. And listen to me the last 30 seconds. Because what he's being accused of, let me just, while you're looking for that clip, I'm good. Okay, let me explain to you why I'm bringing this up. Denzel was a professor, but at the same time, he was having these meetings at night with the farmers, trying to get them to unionize and, you know, basically communist ideas, right? For right or wrong. I mean, however you want to look at it. But let's go back and play the end. I think maybe last 30 seconds of 16, and you'll see where I'm going with this. And because he was doing that, the plantation owners, the further back?

2:36:30 Yeah, just a little bit. It's its own story. Yes, that's right. And this was a minister, Reverend T.A. Allen, who began talking to sharecroppers about their rights. And because he was doing that, the plantation owners, the landowners got together and they lynched him. And the proof they used that he was somebody worthy of lynching is that when they found his body, he had a piece of paper that talked about sharecropper rights. And the other piece of paper he had in his suit jacket was a note that said, Every man a king. A lot of these folks were lynched because they showed too much dignity. They showed too much humanity. He just wanted to be respected as a human being. And it got him hanged.

2:37:16 Every man a king. Yeah, but no, but he was actually lynched for trying to unionize or organize. organize the farmers in the South, which Denzel's character in the Great Debaters was doing the same thing. And this is why he said, you can call me a socialist, a communist, whatever. Jesus Christ was a radical. So they're basically playing this out, which takes us back to show 43 and how communism brought racial equality to the South. How did you get interested in this topic? And as I mentioned, it is a sensitive topic because there are those for decades who've worked to tamp down the suggestion that anybody in the civil rights movement was attracted to the Communist Party at all.

2:38:02 Exactly. And this is a story that actually predates the civil rights movement as we know it, going back to the 1930s. I became interested in this as a doctoral dissertation back in the mid-80s when I was very active in a lot of social movements in actually in the LA area. And I wanted to know how the Communist Party organized African Americans, particularly in places where black people were the majority. And there I discovered a very vibrant movement that very few people wrote about. There basically were two stories. One memoir by a man named Hosea Hudson, and then another story in a book called All God's Dangers, which was about an African-American sharecropper.

2:38:47 All God's Dangerous The Life of Nate Shaw. I remember that. Exactly. But his real name was Ned Cobb. Nateshaw was a pseudonym. And it's a beautiful book that tells his life story. Only a portion of it deals with his membership in the communist-led sharecroppers union, which at one point had about 12,000 members in the black belt counties of Alabama. And were all the members black? Well, in Alabama, there was a point when basically all the members except one were all African-American sharecroppers and tenant farmers. Yeah, I remember this. I remember this episode. And it's like, because it was, I think we probably talked about this during the BLM riots.

2:39:29 Yes. Maybe around that time. And then to learn that the communist message was used to organize blacks in the South. And the same communist message is organizing the Black Lives Matter movement, the political movement. That's just, you know, it's like, how long have they been putting all this stuff together? It never stops. It doesn't. It's just they keep on building, building blocks, building blocks. Maybe this time it'll work. They get knocked down. They go back. They reform, you know, saying reformulate the plan, and they come back again. And that's the whole point. And for this movie to be made, I think the Great Debatos are maybe 2015, if I'm not mistaken.

2:40:10 Somewhere around in there, it was, I'm going to say early to make it 2007. Excuse me, it was earlier than that, pre-Obama. For them to come out openly and say that line, you can call me a communist or a socialist. That was a whole big deal because as you heard in the last clip, associated with communism was a very, associated civil rights movement with communism was very standoffish. But the timing works quite well, actually. Could this not have been some predictive programming, getting everybody ready for the community organizer to come in in 2008?

2:40:53 Exactly. So you're going to hear things like, just to add to your point, since you alley, I'm going to open on home. You're going to hear the thing about this guy and him having socialist ties or communist ideas. But you know what? You know, it was, you know, the civil rights move is really based in communism if you really look at it. It was a changing of the times. And this is the same thing now of it's just changing of the times of what we're seeing here. So, yeah. So I just wanted to point that out that the Oprah, once again, she set this whole thing up for Kamala. She had the lynching. She had the Me Too was wrapped up. You know what I'm saying? Nice little bow on it.

2:41:34 All Kamala had to do was hit her spots and hit her lines. And she literally didn't know her lines and couldn't stop bumping into the furniture. The two rules you need to know as an actor. Yeah, just let it soak in that Joe Biden is a better presidential candidate than her. Yeah. That's all you need to know about, you know, saying who they were trying to drag across the finish line. So with that said, we heard Tina Chin bring up Cuomo. Yes, this is a good little piece that never got highlighted, of course. 29. It's been almost a month since New York Governor Andrew Cuomo announced he would resign after a report by the state attorney general's office found he sexually harassed multiple women.

2:42:19 women. Since then, a cascade of firings and resignations have brought down leaders of the women's movement caught in Cuomo's orbit. On Monday, Alfonso David was fired as president of the human rights campaign. That follows resignations by Tina Chen, the chief executive at Time's Up, an organization focused on supporting women in the workplace, along with Roberta Kaplan at the Time's Up Legal Defense Fund and a number of the group's board members, all left after revelation that they had advised Cuomo's team on how to respond to the allegations. The news raises questions about the progress of the Me Too movement and where to go from here.

2:43:03 Nearly four years after the hashtag went viral in 2017. Oh, that's right. I did know about this. Yeah. We were too busy with the COVID people dying business. But yeah. Oh, my goodness. A complete front organization to actually protect the assholes. And we saw this with Lisa Bloom. Gloria Alread, the Red Queen's daughter, where her mom was running the Bill Cosby women's movement. She said, Operation. Operation, getting that team together. While on the back side, she was giving Harvey, when I say she, I'm talking about Lisa Bloom giving

2:43:47 Alrich's daughter, Lisa Bloom, was giving Weinstein advice on the back end. So this is my issue with the whole situation: that if it was on the face value, you could say, okay, I'm all for it. But it's always a scam. It's always a scam. It's always going to come in hijacking. No, I see it differently. I see it differently. The wheels were coming off the party train, and they needed to have a counter vehicle. These people were advising people. These are lawyers. This is a lawyer, legal defense fund. It's under the Women's Law Center. They were advising the actual predators.

2:44:28 That's why this group exists. It wasn't even to hijack it. It was to hijack, it was to protect and defend. That's my point: to hijack it to protect and defend. Like this Me Too thing is there's something in the wild that you can't control. It's like, no, no, no, we got to get the same thing with ADOS. It's like, no, no, we can't have ADOS out here floating around or Foundational Blacks. We can't have that floating around in the wild. We need Black Lives Matter. So what do you do? You call them bots. Yep. And then you bring in Black Lives Matter because they have the greater works that they're working on here. And nothing can stand in the way, even if it's Low-key Noble.

2:45:11 So, but Tina Chin just says, you know what? It's a blind spot. Oh, yes. Just a blind spot. Of course. Instead of an office that wanted to do the right thing in responding to survivors coming forward, they wanted to do the very opposite, which was to go after survivors to try to denigrate their stories, to try to put a lid on this. That is the entire opposite of what I thought I was dealing with and why I would have actually ever even offered advice in that circumstance. And I would also say what I think is revealed in the New York Attorney General's report is apparently we were being used as cover, right?

2:45:53 We were being used to say Time's Up is, you know, is working with us on this, which we never were. Wow. Like, she didn't know that. Oh, wow. Oh, man. What a phony. She's just a dumb lady. You know, I was used. Oh, use me. Oh, the abusers abused by the abusees, and I was abused too. Yeah, I'm just another victim of Cuomo. That's all. That's all it is. Of course. So that's why, not to be self-important, but these conversations peel back the layers off of you hear Jussie Smellett, you think you know what's going on, but there's so many missing moving pieces that's propping

2:46:36 him up. And the other side knows that. They know that, okay, we keep the attack on Jussie. We keep the story of the Soro sisters in play. We keep all, you know, like I said, even they said it was about more about Kim Fox than Jesse Smellett, but it's more about these DAs and the power they have and the division that's happened between the law and order of law enforcement. So both sides understand this. So very interesting. So this is why it's important that people continue to support the show. Yes. And what we love most is the new support you can bring us, the new ways, the new podcast apps with streaming Satoshis. I like brand new money. I just, I don't want any money on. around me. It's not. I'd almost rather have a new one than an old 20.

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2:49:29 So that is, and it's interesting you say that because I'm like, oh man, I'm glad someone called someone as a deadbeat and more people will do it now. So it probably was the first time. You made history, Brian. We welcome nudges as well, but the hardbody callouts, you only could be three people now. Family, producer, or deadbeat. That's right. Choose your lot in life. I was in the Netherlands when the Next Tel system was in place. I wasn't living here. That's why you're right. I don't have the, I can't get the full gravitas of the Next Tel chirp. It's real. No, no, I believe it. Oh, there's Chef Elvis.

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2:55:12 All right. So we thought the third rail was them minimalizing or trivializing lynching. Well, there's one person, there's another third rail in the so-called black community that you don't play with, and that's Tupac. And when Jesse called himself the gay Tupac, that's when he jumped the shark. And I don't know who's handling him, but take his phone away from him. Clearly the same person who's handling Kamala. It has to be got the same instructions, just whatever it is. Just use Tupac. They love Tupac. Tupac always works. And that's why he makes the perfect mascot or

2:55:55 representative for this whole debacle of this 2020 campaign for Kamala Harris. Because when he came out and said this, even Charlemagne the God guard, excuse me, had to intervene. Right. I have two takes. I have one for when it first happened, and then he goes back and does one, a recent update and like a few months ago. So let's go ahead and get into number 32 first. This is the first one. All right. Now, Jesse Smilet has performed after being attacked on Tuesday. He performed on Saturday. He said, I had to be here tonight. Check it out. I went to the doctor immediately. Frank Aston drove me. I was not hospitalized. Both my doctors in LA and Chicago clearly to perform, but they have to take care, obviously. And above all, I fall back.

2:56:41 I'm the gay Tupac. So this is in LA, and he did address the incident in Chicago. He told the crowd that he's okay. I think we're still investigating. I don't know why Jesse's lawyer doesn't want him to talk. I also want to know why Jesse was reading those points that he made on the stage off the paper. And I want to know what the hell Tupac got to do with any of this. Okay, that seemed like a line straight out of Empire. I'm the gay Tupac. I mean, I get around would have been a totally different record if Tupac was gay, by the way. How do you want it? Woo! Why would that be different? Stop it, man. You're full, man. If your head up would have been a totally different record, the same idea. You're in that jerk, man. Ambitions at a ride. But I'm glad that Jesse Smollett is. I'm glad that Jesse Smollett is okay.

2:57:26 And I'm glad that he went on stage and performed. He's not letting this incident hold him back. So you can hear you don't play with Tupac's name. And that's why they invoke it the way they do because they know there is a I don't think there's any fan base as loyal and fervent as Tupac's fans across racial divides too. It does generational divides, racial divides.

2:58:01 I'm telling you, and that Tupac thing, that is the rabbit hole of all rabbit holes that I don't even feel qualified enough to venture down just yet. Because when you go down that thing, I mean, even to his death, people think to this day that he's alive. Oh, yeah. I mean, so that lets you know it's fascinating. No, the fan, the fandom around that. And now I think Jesse wanted to tap into that to say, you know, I need fans like him. And you heard the fans reply when he said it. When he said, you know what I'm saying, I'm the gay Tupac.

2:58:46 They ate it up with two spoons. So that was the original take. Anything you want to say before we get into the most recent take? No. So this is Charlamagne the Guard again. And this is a few months ago speaking on Justice Smollett being the gay Tupac. My guy, former Empire star Justice Smollett, aka the self-proclaimed gay Tupac. Gay Tupac is a great name because Justice's career is as alive as Tupac is. Wow. Wow. It just depends what you believe. He could be alive. It could be alive.

2:59:25 All right. Just see on trial for allegedly Jamal lying about a hate crime attack in 2019. Okay. If convicted, he could face up to three. For allegedly, what did he say? Jamal Lyon? For allegedly, Jamal Lyon is his character on me. Let me stop while we stop here. It was very politicized and very demonizing of black men the way he was treated by his father. I'll just leave it that. But he was even in that show, he was used as a political tool. It just depends what you believe. He could be alive. It could be alive. All right. Just on trial for allegedly Jamal lying about a hate crime attack in 2019.

3:00:08 Okay. If convicted, he could face up to three years in prison. And I'm calling bullshit on that. All right. Drop the charges, give him probation, but three years in prison. All right. This wasn't a hoax, just Method acting gone wrong. All right. So what? He told a little white lie to the police. Who doesn't lie to the police? Y'all lie to the police. All right. And I can hear some of y'all now. Well, he didn't just lie to the police. He lied to the black community. Maybe. But what don't lie to his community? Okay. Sometimes we make up shit for entertainment purposes, Nyla. Do I make up shit? All the time. All the time. Okay. But for entertainment purposes. All right. Hey, Jesse, gay Tupac.

3:00:50 Keep your head up. All right. Now. All right. So you heard the crowd. Yeah. You know how that thing says, is it too soon? What are we 1996? So it's still too soon to make a Tupac death joke. Especially in the time that we live in where, you know, people are not even warm. They still warm and people make jokes about them. But you don't play with that Tupac name. So I just wanted to give that perspective of it. But so we didn't, we have to ask the question: is Jesse Smut? This is the point where we humanize him.

3:01:33 Oh, man. All right. I know where this is going. Oh, shit. You did it again. See, after 73 episodes, now I can see the end. Like, I can see it just before it gets hit in the face. You guys haven't seen it yet, but I, because I remember episodes, episodes, episodes. Okay, I know where this is. This is great. Man, man, this brings you full circle. It's Jesse Smellett, the gay Tupac, question mark 34. One morning, armed police stormed into Aphaney Shakur's apartment and arrested her.

3:02:11 All the other members of her cell were also arrested. They were charged with what the government said was a giant plan to destroy those elements of society which the defendants call the power structure. It included attacking police stations and planning to bomb five large department stores and the Bronx Botanical Gardens. They became known as the Panther 21. Their trial was held in a state of paranoia about further attacks by the Panthers. But it also caused a sensation when it was revealed that three of the founding members of the group had been undercover police officers.

3:02:53 What was stranger was that some of those officers seemed to have been unaware that there were other undercover agents in the cell. Oh, man. Tupac's Tupac's mom was a Black Panther. Was a Black Panther. So, wait a minute. Is there some system that takes radical parents and has them brainwash their kids into becoming activists? I mean, Betty, is it Betty Shakur? Is that her first name, Betty? No, Athene. Athene Shakur. Athene Shakur with Tupac.

3:03:36 And then Jussie's mom, what was her name? What was her name? Once again, anyway, I got to know. Same Panthers. Yes. Same people, same Panthers. Tupac, Tupac. Whoa. His mama's walking free. The same way as Aphena Shakur's walking free. So. Well, wait a minute. How does this? Well, okay, we'll play the next clip. Then I have some questions. Let's go ahead and get into it. Let's see. They were also the most active members of the group. We had to organize everything, one of the undercover agents explained at the trial, because everyone else in the group was off doing what they called their own shit.

3:04:30 The prosecution claimed that the group had been inspired by violent revolutionary propaganda, and in particular, by the film The Battle of Algiers, made about the Algerian struggle against French colonialism. They showed the film in the court. Unlike all the other Panthers, Afeni Shakur chose to defend herself. And at the end of the trial, she cross-examined the leading undercover agent. He was the man she had suspected from the start, Yedou Sudan. His real name was Ralph White. A journalist who was in the courtroom wrote a book that described what happened.

3:05:11 She started by getting White to admit that really most of the inspiration for the plots came from the undercover agents. Not only had they continually pushed for the violence and suggested the targets, but they had also arranged to buy the dynamite of yet another undercover agent. They had also arranged for the cars to transport the dynamite. That really, the plot to attack America had been created and driven by the American authorities. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. It was a repeat. An exact repeat. The American government, probably some former members, the Obamas, all these people, they set it all up and they used Jussie

3:05:56 and pivoted off of his mom's affiliation with Afini. She might even just be a wannabe. Oh, yeah, you know, Black Panther. Oh, good. I'll get my son to be like his son, like her son. Yeah. But my other question is: as I said, the Panthers was full of agents. Agents, yes. Yeah. So how's Jeanette Smollett walking around a free woman? Yeah. The same way with Aphena Shakur. Now, the story with Aphena Shakur, now a lot of people are going to get mad at me, but it is what it is.

3:06:36 Eight-month-old, I mean, excuse me, eight-month pregnant woman going against the legal system, and she wins against, I think that's like 150-something cases. I mean, charges, and they beat them all. Yeah. Hoover. I mean, Hoover could find, I mean, Hoover. could find so anything to get you on. I mean, we're listening okay, fast forward now. No, no, but I gotta what's the what's the biggest thing? Lying to the FBI, right? Yeah, even if you talk to him, I gotta ask you a question, though. Yes, because this does beg the question about Tupac. Oh, you try to get my phone to ring, ain't you? For real, for real.

3:07:18 No, but we don't obviously have to get into it, but it raises some significant questions. I want to point it out not because I'm afraid to broach the subject, but I'm going to point back to the crowd when Charlemagne the God made the card, made the Tupac joke. Yeah, like this is for real. Like, it's, I've seen people fight. We've seen whole coast, East Coast, West Coast beef, uh, people that didn't know Tupac or Biggie threaten each other, shoot each other all around surrounding Tupac. And they're like I said, that Tupac rabbit hole, I went down it pre-internet.

3:08:03 I mean, because I mean, I mean, all the information. I want to say pre-internet, but the early stages of the internet, that rabbit hole doesn't stop. Right. Yeah, you may not want to go down it, but but but the question it asks is, uh-huh, was Tupac's message, the messages he was giving, was it, was he being nudged? I'll say this: it's very fitting when you look at the crime bill that came in 1994. Oh my God. It's very fitting because Tupac in 96, right?

3:08:44 He was shot in 96. But he did this pivot that he was the Black Panther, the radical revolutionary. Then he went to a drug dealer, thugs. Right, right. And the thing was, he was signed to Interscope pre-Death Row. See, everybody thinks he went to Death Row when he got into trouble and went to jail and they got him out. No, no, no. He was signed to Death Row and Interscope. And what's the dude guy's name? Iovine. Jimmy Iovine. He was signed to them in 91.

3:09:24 Come on. Like I said, I'm not afraid to broach that subject at all. But when you open that can of worms, everything starts to destabilize. The whole, you know, what was the plan with using Tupac and Biggie? Yeah. What were you saying? What would the impact to the crime bill? Like, we took a guy, like, I was a Tupac fan pre-Death Row, and I was kind of very, I still like this music, but I was discouraged by the message change. It's like, one, you're talking about your mom being a crack fiend and, you know, ills of drugs and everything on the community. Now you moving keys, you know what I'm saying? And you just, you know, saying this shoot other black people kind of thing.

3:10:05 And this, and I'm going to say this: Tupac believed that he was the characters that he was playing in movies. The same way maybe Jesse Smullett believed he was the character that he was playing on Empire. So I could say, is he the gay Tupac? Yes. And I'm going to say this. Yes. Do we even have to put the preface of gay Tupac in front of Tupac? No, just going to leave it there. Because we're going to get a lot of fan letters on this one, but it is what it is. Because we're going to go, hey, pay attention to everything. And when I say everything, there's some damning information out here.

3:10:49 But what's interesting is being able to use this, as you say, I mean, what's stuck in my mind is the crime bill. Because usually when these things fail, the machine is still working. So the crime bill may still be coming. But maybe the new version of the crime bill is billed back better. It is. Yeah, okay, maybe. What am I saying? Yeah. But we don't have. So we had to throw it over to black voting rights because we don't have enough lynching shit out there. Jesse failed. Bill fails. They'll get pieces through, I'm sure. But huh. So that was the whole setup was Kamala for president. We get the lynching shit going.

3:11:32 We get our version of the crime bill, which is not locking up, locking people up yet. First, we let everybody go. Then we come back later and round them all up. Wait, no, no, not round them up. You're not going to be locked up. You're going to be locked in. That's the difference. difference. You're going to be locked in to cover your own home. We don't need mass prisons anymore. It's going to be like, where's your papers? You know, that kind of thing. Are you justified? I mean, now we got to look at this. Are you allowed to be on the street? Yep. Yep. We got the QR codes. We got the passport. We got the papers, please. Yes. Are you allowed to be on the street?

3:12:09 It'll scan you from the lamppost. And they're going to make black people beg for their own demise to say you have to do something about this crime. And they're going to say, well, only thing we got is these robots over here and these drones. And people need to go check out and say one of my lives I did on this whole policing thing. The drones, all that footage they had on Rittenhouse. Yeah. That was cool. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm just saying, like, this, the apparatus is big. It's become so right because it's become so normal for us to say, oh, yes, oh, yeah, I saw the drone footage. No one says, what the fuck? Drone footage? We got drones flying around these things now?

3:12:50 I mean, yeah. Yeah, you're drones, ring door bells. That's my favorite. The ring doorbells, that's the grid, man. That's Skynet right there. And just to go back to the crime bill for one second. Thug. Tupac was synonymous with thug. And that was the whole purpose. Thug takes away from thuggy, which they use in the British and Indian situation to scare, you know what I'm saying, people into policy decisions and saying, okay, the thuggies, they're going to come get you. So we need to do this in India. They want to do the same thing here. And remember, and we did all this. We did the thug thing with Obama saying thugs and getting shit over it.

3:13:30 We did the work. Hell yeah. We did do the work. All right. So with that said, I know my inbox is filling up right now. I don't give a rat's ass. It is what it is. What you going to do? Hey, why don't you, if you want to say something, then boost it. If you have a criticism, then boost it. With some sats. That's a great idea. So that's the, we have to ask the question, is he the gay Tupac? So what we're going to do now is this has been so much a heavy show with the lynching and things of that nature. We're going to end on a light note. And this was pretty much the greatest take I heard on it because it's so true. And this is a three-part of David Chappelle and his joke on Jesse Smullet.

3:14:14 Just afraid of being attacked. Happens to besties. Don't ever forget what happened to that French actor. You know what I'm talking about? Juicy Smouye. He's a very French, very famous French actor. Y'all ever heard of Juicy Smuye? Juicy Smuy is an actor from France. And he became famous on a show called Empire.

3:15:01 One night, he was in Chicago late at night and was the victim. He was the victim of a racist and homophobic attack. You see, Juicy Smooyer is gay and he is black, not just French. That is one of the most genius ways I've ever heard of someone approaching a topic like that just by making him French.

3:15:43 And that's why David Chappelle is so important and people like him. That once you disarm these narratives with humor, then you really can have a real conversation about it. And I know people may, you know, we take some of the heavy topics in a light way, but that's the disarming of it. So now we can have a real conversation. And that's why, you know, a great way of introducing this show to other people. You know, you can have them listen, they laugh, and then you can have a conversation on the back end of it. So you want to go ahead and get to the second part? Yes, sir. Oh, it's a crazy story. Apparently, when he's walking down the street late at night, two white men came out of the shadows

3:16:25 with MAGA hats on, beat him up, tied a rope around his neck, called him all kinds of niggas and put some bleach on him and ran off into the night. This shit was like international news. And everybody was furious, especially in Hollywood. It's all over everybody's Twitter feed and Instagram page, Justice for Juicy, and all this shit. The whole country was up in arms, just talking about it all the time on the news. And for some reason, African Americans, we were like oddly quiet.

3:17:07 We were so quiet about it and shit that the gay community started accusing the African-American community of being homophobic for not supporting him. What they didn't understand is that we were supporting him with our silence because we understood that this nigga was clearly lying. Oh, man, that was so good. And that's the thing. Everybody try to look the other way. Like, no, we don't want to talk about Jesse. We don't, because

3:17:47 it gives a whole bunch of things a black eye that are close to us. One being Tupac, two being lynching, whichever order you want to have those in. And it's this thing like, I don't make me do it, Juicy. You know what I'm saying? Don't make me call you a liar. But he just kept pushing. And Dave Chappelle timed this so perfectly because that balloon was just inflating the don't talk about it, don't talk about it, don't talk. And he just popped it in such a perfect way. It was a real cultural moment. Master comedian, master comedian. I guess we can get into the final part and the punchline of the joke.

3:18:30 None of these details added up at all. He said he's walking down the street in Chicago and white dudes come up to him and say, hey, man, aren't you that faggot nigga from Empire? Does that sound like how white people talk? I know white people. They don't talk like that. Are you that faggot nigga from Empire? They would never say that. It sounds like something that I would say. If you're racist and homophobic, you're not even going to know who this nigga is. You can't watch Empire.

3:19:19 Black people never feel sorry for the police, but this time we even felt sorry for the police. Can you imagine if you was a police veteran taking this kid's police report? Okay, Mr. Smooye, please tell me what happened. All right. 2 a.m. You left the house at 2 a.m. It was minus 16 degrees. You were walking. You were walking. All right. And where were you going? Subway. Sandwiches? That's when the men approached you? Did you see them? Do you have any? Okay, what do they have on?

3:20:09 MAGA hats. MAGA hats on in Chicago. Excuse me one second, Mr. Smoolye. Come here for a second. Find out where Kanye West was last night. That's the genius of Dave Chappelle. You can have a black man and a white man laughing just as hard at the same moment in the joke. And a room full of people of all different backgrounds laughing at it, but it's more serious than to heal the country than any politician in recent memory. That shit heals, man.

3:20:50 That's good. And where would I be without Juicy? So we love you, Juicy. We love you. So that's my take on Juicy Smoolet and the hoax that may have brought you more facts. And the hoax, the hoax that protected us from actually having Kamala Harris as president. So we have to be kind of thankful to Juicy. That's that let Juicy free. Let the Juicy loose. Oh my God. Thanks, Mo. That was great. That was fantastic. And, you know, once you would bring it back to Shakur, man, my head exploded over here.

3:21:31 I got to get new headphones. They don't clamp on my head anymore. So big. And the explosion. It was great. I'm glad you enjoyed it. And I hope all. all the producers, family, or deadbeats, if you choose, enjoyed it as well. And as I always say, pay attention to everything and the truth will reveal itself. And we look forward to seeing you back here in two weeks' time for another edition of Mo Facts with Adam Curry. And just as a final thought, I'd like to remind you to go to mofax.com and support us. And I have not heard this song for 39 years. I appreciate it. Talk to you next time, Mo. You know very well what you are.

3:22:14 You're my sugar fan, my chocolate star. I've had a few, but not that many. But you're the only one that gets me good and I like it, I like it. In the morning,

3:23:39 candy rain coming down. Turns me all around. I like it. I like it.