66: Black Butterfly

00:10 Mo Facts with Adam Curry for September 14th, 2021. Welcome to episode number 66. Yep, we're on our schedule. Two weeks on off and happy to be here once again. I'm Adam Curry here in the heart of Texas Hill Country and somewhere in Northern Virginia, my friend on the other end, ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Mo Facts. How you doing, Adam? Wow, that was perfect. You had your whole intro like you were a wrestler coming up, you know. Good, Mo. How you, man? How's everything going there? I'm doing great. I am doing great. Like you said, we're on schedule. Yeah, I love it. This is really good. Before you know it, we'll be professional podcasters.

00:53 And to do a little promo for the people that don't know, I've started doing something on the YouTube. Yeah, the lives. Yeah, the lost tapes. So we did a whole nother show on Bill Cosby because so much material couldn't leave it untouched. So I love that. Go over there and check it out. Now, are you doing that after each episode? Are you doing something before each Mo Facts episode drops? After it, I'd love that. So what happens is what I call it is the interactive newsletter. So what we talk about today, next Wednesday on the YouTube MoFax,

01:32 we will cover some of the topics that we covered today in more detail. And you know, have the video aspect and then we have the live feedback from the producer. So it's another experience and it gives them something every week to look forward to. And it keeps you off the streets, Moe. Let's be honest about it. It's good for you. What do you say? We spin the wheel, please, sir. All right, here we go. There it is. Big ass wheel of topics. Round and round it goes. Where it stopped, nobody knows, except, of course, Mo, because puts it all together and figures it out. What is the topic for episode 66 of Mo Facts with Adam Curry? Eats up hot luck. Yeah. Potluck, potluck. Love that. Potluck.

02:18 Potluck. That's like Star Trek. You know that? Remember that the Star Trek theme song when it was black and white? I don't. Oh, yeah. It was like. Oh, okay. I remember. Yeah, I remember the song. All right, potluck. Good. So what are we doing? We got a couple of topics for today. We got a handful of topics we're going to cover to be exact four blocks of some current events that's been going on that I've been keeping an eye on. So we have to talk about them. And these are topics that don't really need a full show, or sometimes they can spin off into a full show, depending on how far we go into it.

03:00 And there's a theme to this one. I have to say. Of course, there is. We expect nothing else. Of course, there's a theme to it. There's a sub-theme to the theme. Mr. Jones, we have to talk about it. We had to put some respect on the man's name with the horse pace debacle we saw at the news media. Oh. Do I do the next topic thing here? Is that please? Just go ahead and let's get into it. Okay. So somehow this fits into Alex Jones. Well, he's going to be a running theme through this show because what I've done here is topics that he's thrown out.

03:48 Like he's like Kanye, right? What, like the fish sticks, the gay if you're fish sticks or whatever? Oh, yeah. They talking memes or what me and my man Young Grump called Memanese, right? They talking these like catchphrases. So when you hear this stuff, it's like easily dismissed. But in the show, I have a handful of statements he's made that I want to deep dive into. And one, the first one being LeBron James has a mandate from heaven. So it's going to be a fun show. You know, we get a little conspiratorial on the

04:33 don't say. No, no, no, no, never anything like that. So I guess we, I mean, if you're ready to go. I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready for all of it. It's my favorite people. LeBron James, Alex Jones. We're good to go. It's all special. Kanye here, too, if you, if you want, just to warn people. Good. Good. Because I got stuff to talk about whenever. Hopefully it's about Donda. Well, we're not going to go actual Kanye, but I have. had an ISO of Kanye just to bring ourselves back from the edge of going full Alex Jones. So, okay, hold on a second. This will make us feel much better. Come on, man. I ain't finna go Alex Jones level with you. Come on. Come on. No, come on. You know what I'm saying? So this is CBS Los Angeles.

05:17 LeBron James says the decision on whether or not he gets the COVID-19 vaccine will probably be kept private, adding it's a conversation between you and your family and not for everybody else. NBA Commissioner Adam Silver indicated the league would not require players to get the vaccine, nor would it require fans to be vaccinated in order to attend games. Katie Johnston for CBSLA. Yeah, this is a big topic. I've been hearing about this. He's been trying to hide in the weeds of saying it's a personal decision whether it's not a big deal if I say it or not.

05:54 And the NBA's kind of boxed him in because they're going to follow the local mandates of if you're not vaccinated, you don't play. So we're going to look at that whole thing. And there's a subtopic in the subtopic that I want to follow as well. But it all connects as it always does. So have you been, like you said, you've heard this? So, well, I mean, that's exactly, I mean, you know, I've been studying NBA from a different angle, the owners and Epstein, which I hope to wow you with one of these days. It's like crazy when you look into the depths of that and how coincidental it all is and Apollo management. So this other stuff is, you know, I've been, I'm a little COVID tired.

06:37 So I'm like, okay. And I'm a little LeBron tired as well, I have to admit. So, yeah, I mean, obviously, I kind of know what's going on. So I can't wait to hear it all. So what I want to do is show you how when it's time to speak, the pressure will be applied. And you can't just duck down in the weeds and not say, I don't want to make a comment. You know, that doesn't work. They did it with that with him in China. Yeah, it was a good try. No, that did not work at all. It did not work. But I will say this. I think LeBron James knows he has the timing to understand that if he says he's going to take it, he's going to take a big hit to his following.

07:22 So he's trying to play the middle because if he was vaccinated or was vaccine friendly, then he would just come out and say it, right? He'd be like, I'm taking it. You know, I'm rolling up my sleeve. I don't care what's in it. No, I mean, obviously, if you're going to act like that, we know what's up. Right. So I want to go into the pressure tactics that they use. And one of the pressure points they're using is Stephen A. Smith from First Take. I don't blame the players for being hesitant to promote vaccines, considering our nation's history and our mistrust of the federal government. We know that history. We don't have time to get into it. But I think considering the number of people who have been vaccinated, which are obviously in the millions, and the fact that it's indiscriminate, there are black and whites and others that have taken the vaccine.

08:11 I do think it's time for all of us to adopt a mentality that if we have the opportunity to do it, it's something that we should do. And if they come my way with it, I will take the vaccine. Let me address what you just said quickly. Sure. I think as Americans, we are used to a situation where money and power gives you greater access to things and people feel that that's normal. I think if I were running a league and I could get my hands on vaccines and I could legally distribute it, I would to the players. If you're asking me as an independent arbiter, do I think that that's ethical or moral? The answer is no, I don't. So I disagree with you on principle, but in practice, we probably see, I think there is a case to be made on economic lines along the ones you're making.

08:54 I think the best way to do it is what the most effective way we've seen internationally is you start with the oldest people because they're even more with underlying conditions. The oldest, you know, 85 and over, 75 and over, 65 and over, do it like that. And people with underlying conditions and first responders. And then the rest of us wait for it. So this was early on. Yeah. And the vaccine rollout. And even Stephen A. Smith was hesitant, as you heard him say. But obviously, somebody talked to Stephen A. Smith. And he. Wait a minute. Yeah. Was it the brulee phone? Is that what happened? Did he get a little phone call? I don't know which way the phone call went.

09:37 You know, so he might have been dialing in the headquarters like, hey, I don't know. Yeah, which way? I'll be your man. So as you can hear in this one, Max Kellerman kind of tops Stephen A. Smith and it starts to irk Stephen A. Smith. So we're. we're going to get into that as well. So anything you want to address? I mean, no, no, keep it rolling, Mo. I'm loving this. I mean, these are names I don't even know. You know, I got to look them up while you're talking. I am not Mr. Basketball. No, it's not about basketball. We spotted early on that the NBA was the league of choice for the vaccine rollout. Being Rudy Gobert was the first one to catch the major athlete. And who does he play for?

10:21 He plays for the Usaw Jazz. And, you know, that's when they shut down the league. They had the whole bubble. The NFL is in. They have the vaccine mandate, but they leave it up to their players not to take it if they didn't want to. Now it's heavy fines. It gets a little more serious. Yeah, it gets a little more serious. Right, but the NBA has been all in since the beginning. Like I said, with the bubble down in Disney and all of that stuff, and the Black Lives Matter on the court and all those things. So they've been very vaccine-friendly. Well, of course, China's still trying to kill us, and that's their weapon of choice, is the NBA.

11:01 Where there you have it. Just saying. Not conspiratorial or anything. Just laying it out there. If they look because if it walks like a duck and cracks like a duck, it's a duck. So we have next, Charles Barkley, and he's going to speak on the vaccine priority. I think they should let the NBA players and coaches all get the vaccine. That's just my personal opinion. I don't think that's the problem. No, no, that's healthiest people. No, I'm not a word. We're talking at the front of the line. We need 300 million shots of giving a thousand to some NBA players. What about NFL? NFL. I'm just getting rid of it. NFL players, hockey players.

11:43 Listen, as much taxes as these players pay, let me repeat that. As much taxes as these players pay, they deserve some preferential treatment. For life and death? Yes. The amount of money you make, though. No, no, I said taxes. The amount of money you make. Well, that's taxes. I'm saying the amount of taxes these guys pay. We can't go there. You got to take care of the elderly and the at-risk for you. I totally agree. We need to take care of the first responders and the old people. But I'm saying, giving a couple, a thousand shots to NBA players is not going to change the world.

12:24 I'm just saying. It just makes it safe. If it's not changing the world, why are you going to them first? Well, because we listen, I'm just saying. Why do they get the preferential? Why do we all say? Why do we get the preferential team? Listen, I'm saying, if we're going to try to play basketball, we're going to keep having COVID outbreaks. Okay. That discussion could go on. Hey, listen, you know, there's no right or wrong answer. Isn't Barkley old enough to qualify for elderly first? He's right on that cuss. He's got to be close. He's got to be. He's running that cuss. And if, you know, weight issues and things like that, they might bump him up even more because, you know, Cold More Biddies or whatnot.

13:08 But this is Charles not being read in and they're trying to walk him back. Did you notice that? Totally. Totally. Look at my eyes, Charles. Look at my eyes. Listen to what I'm saying. And he's saying the millionaires and elite should get the shot before everybody else, which I totally agree with. I totally agree with you on this one. They should totally do it in public and they should wait for like 30 minutes so we can make sure that they're okay. That's a very good idea. Yes. Give it to them, monitor them for 30 days. Yeah, see how they're doing. Of course, now you can fire up the phone. Oh, here it is. Charles. Number four. I know that

13:53 you speak your mind. As I said, that you're so honest about sharing your opinions. Have you ever said anything that you wish that you would have said differently or not said at all? Yeah, actually, I'm so glad you asked me that question. I said something last week that whether I believe it or not, it was a stupid thing to say. Woo! That I think these NBA players, I think they should get, I said, and I said it, even though I believe it, I think they should get the vaccine because we have no idea how playing sports is going to have an effect on you down the line if you get this virus. And if you're going to try to play basketball, I think they should get the shot. But I made it seem like they were more important than other people, and they're not.

14:37 And it came off stupid. And I apologize if anybody was offended. But like I say, I want my players to be safe. Listen, but if they can get that vaccine, I hope they get it. it because, you know, we have no idea how this thing is going to affect people in 10, 20, 30 years. But it came off without an elite person, and I apologize if anybody took it like that. Wow. Well, I'm glad you got to apologize. And, all right, we're going to take a break. We're going to play a game with Charles when we come back. We'll do that. Wow. Holy crap. Shut up. Shut up. I'm sorry. I'm so. Hey, but first of all, he said, we have no idea how it's going to play out in 30 years from now.

15:21 That was interesting. He's stepping all over. It's like he's stepping on a whole yard full of rakes. Every time he says something, it's like another race. Makes it worse. Just shut up. But you see how it works. Chuck, is there anything you ever wanted to apologize about or you felt was stupid? And this was it. I mean, that's why he was brought on the Ellen Show for. To get it out to the masses that, hey, I said something stupid. I said what we really think. Was there a lot of backlash? Was there a lot of backlash about the first statement he made? Of course. That's why he's on the Ellen Show. I mean, he was to get on broadcast. I mean, daytime television while it was still on, of course.

16:07 I don't understand why he didn't just answer truthfully because that would work. Said, well, we just want to be good examples to everybody. If he had said that, it would have been okay. But what he said was, I know what he said. He says, these guys pay a lot of taxes. They pay a lot of taxes. They deserve it first. Right. Screw a dying old person. Like, what's a couple of thoughts? I mean, what's a couple? A thousand dead people. I mean, what is it really? Nothing. That's his. Nothing to the NBA. That's his tone. And the NBA is like, hey, no, no, no, no, no, no, you can't say that. And he steps on hisself. We don't know what this vaccine is going to do to people in 2030. I can't believe he said that.

16:50 He screwed it up on the make good. So crazy. Chuck, yeah, that's Chuck for you. But what's fascinating is Charles Barkley was all the money. I don't apologize for anything. Right. I speak my mind. Yes. Not when that phone rings. And that's why I had to bring the phone. And now you're now we're starting to see when you step out of line, you get the phone. And that's what's happening with LeBron right now. He's the phone ain't rang yet. Or, you know, or, you know, or they send him. I wonder if it's like a bullet text. It's like, I just said they send him just one emoji. That's how it starts. It's one emoji on text. Oh, okay. I got it.

17:33 So now we go back to first take. And this is, I got to set this up a little bit. So Max Kellerman, aka Blacks Kellerman, has always been known for one-upping Stephen A. Smith in the black category as we explored on episode 16. I was going to say it's a long time ago that we talked about that. Right, but it came to a head. And on clip number six, we're going to hear an example of him one-upping Stephen A. Smith. Athletes should not be forced into positions where they must publicly espouse that they are affirmatively, you know, they're putting their weight behind. Yes, everyone should do this. Because if they don't feel that way, then they shouldn't be forced into a hypocritical position.

18:18 However, if the vaccine is available and they opt not to take it, they shouldn't play. Like, that's all if they don't, but a public service announcement is something else. They should not be forced to do public service announcements, even if I think it's foolish not to. Now, let me tell you why I think it's foolish not to and what I think their problem is. In the Venn diagram, right, you have the different circles and where they overlap is the shaded area. This is a perfect storm, another metaphor for it, of this vaccination issue. Number one, they're pro-athletes. Pro-athletes care about what they put in their body. And anyone here is, wait, I'm putting a dead disease in my body. Even the thought of it's disturbing to a lot of people, to me.

19:01 Even if you understand the science very well, you still say, oh, I just don't like the idea of it. And pro-athletes want to be sure about what they're ingesting. And unless it's going to help them on the field of play, especially. That's one. Two, there's a lot of anti-vaxxer nonsense out there, just nonsense and low-quality information that many among us have swallowed and kind of internalized and now believe. The anti-vaxxer industry is utter nonsense. Nonsense. That's all. It's nonsense. However, there's an overlap there too, because many in the population, including in the NBA, have subscribed to it, as many people have subscribed to a lot of low-quality information in recent years and misinformation.

19:44 misinformation. And three, you mentioned it, Stephen A. The United States has a bad history with African-American people, don't they? And including experiments on African-American people, right? And so if you are, yes, so if you're thinking, wait, I'm not going to be, you want me to take that? Are we sure about this? Are you experimenting on me? I think all three things come into play here. Wow. So you can hear Stephen A. Smith, like, that's exactly what I was talking about, Max. Like, and this has been a common thing with Max. He always, on the spectrum of black, I mean, because we know black is a title, not a line of race,

20:30 or a brand. Well, brand, excuse me, exactly. He's always found himself. See, Stephen A. Smith has been seen as a conservative person. Or, you know, he even said that black people should vote Republican one time to send a message to the Democratic Party. He quickly came back on that statement. He got the phone for sure. And then just his overall tone and, you know, and things that nature. So it makes it easier for Max to, you know, want up him when it comes to blackness. So Stephen, you can hear the disdain in Stephen Abe's voice, like, you're doing it again, right?

21:17 So, yeah, so that it irks him. And then you just heard him say, and this is a great opportunity for you to ask the question about experiments, Adam. Well, yes, I was going to say that we had, I'd actually, offline off the show, we talked about this. I said, hey, man, I remember exactly. So I hope you remember your exact answer. I said, you know, this Tuskegee experiment. I said, yeah, absolutely. It was a long time ago. And even, but, you know, it's so bad, even President Clinton had to apologize for it. But it seems like it's being used as a crutch. Like, that's the only thing I ever hear. Not that it's not valid, but it seems a little bit like a cop-out because,

22:00 you know, so much has happened since then, which I think is also valid to be suspicious of government in general. So what I would say is not a crutch, it's a repellent. It's the one thing that you can say that resonates with whoever's asking you or putting pressure on you to say, what about Tuskegee? You kind of got to back off the person, which we have far worse experiments that you could discuss. You said something else to me, which stuck in my mind. Go ahead. I said a lot. So you might have to remind me. Yeah, and this was just Adam and Mo talking as friends, right? Which is what the show is as well.

22:38 It's just we weren't rolling tape. I said, no, here's what you said to me. You said, Adam, you've got to understand for black men, just using black as a brand, you said, we hate going to the doctor. Oh, yeah, yeah. And I said, well, let me, I'm going to spit it back to you, see if I got it right. And I said, okay, by the way, I haven't seen the inside of an actual medical doctor's office in many, many years. I do functional medicine, all kinds of other stuff, voodoo shit, spells. And you say, no, black men, we know that the doctor is only a pill or a knife. That's it. And it brings a whole bunch of other crap with it. And by the way, this black man here in Texas feels the same way.

23:21 That's why I never go. I don't want to have any of that stuff. I don't trust him anymore. And that's the only two options you have for it. And if you don't have a solution other than that, then why go? I mean, you know what you need to do, eat healthy, exercise, those kind of things. But well, I mean, there are some absolute things that need to be looked at. But I was just surprised because, you know, obviously a lot of ADOS men go to the doctor for high blood pressure and for and for diabetes. Most of the time, that's because it's a free visit and a loved one is pressuring you to go.

24:01 It's like your free physical. You know what I'm saying? Like, oh, I'm just for full disclosure, my wife is like, I scheduled your free physical. Oh, interesting. Is that how it works? So it's that kind of thing. Santina does with the dentist. Right. So, I mean, it's not like we're picking up the phone, like, let me get my blood pressure checked. So that kind of thing. But I also wanted to bring to the show that it's used as a repellent as well for people that may not be vaccine friendly because that backs you up often. We will offer you very easily. We need a new dead black person. You know, it's a well, just wait. Well, I think there's a couple that we kind of overlooked who uh who died within days of their vaccination.

24:47 We got a whole host of things to look at. All right, well, all right, thank you. I'm glad we brought that back up, but yeah, that's what they're what that's what they're alluding to because the Tuskegee one is the one that every it's like in the um shared consciousness of people, so it's like you say Tuskegee, and it's automatically. Well, I'm not going to push that any further because I know where that goes, but you see, that only has so many legs as to what's going on now in society. So, just as a reminder, let's go back to show 16. And this is the ultimate example of uh, this is around the Colin Kaepernick situation, and Stephen A.

25:25 Smith was critical of Colin Kaepernick. And uh, I think this is when he did that uh stage workout for Nike and that whole thing, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And Terrell Owens confronts Stephen A. Smith. So, what he wanted was transparency for people to see the full workout to see the full Colin Kaepernick. Again, you mentioned obviously, Max is going to get in here, and like I said, I'm in the streets. Max almost seems blacker than you, Stephen A. He's coming with this commentary. Tommy, with all due respect, my brother. I'm just saying, wait a minute, wait a minute. I'm just saying, I'm gonna check you right now. You don't cross the line. I'm just saying, Tommy, Tommy, Tommy. Wait a minute, you don't cross the line.

26:02 First of all, like I said, you, Holland Kaepernick, Eric Reed, any of y'all that want to debate me in front of black people and talk about what's best for black people, name the time and place. I'll show up. I don't want to hear what's the definition of blackness. Is there a definitive definition of blackness? Yeah, I remember this. So, in the meantime, that was pretty insulting. It was pretty insulting. It was pretty insulting what he said. It was. He's not black enough, man. You should vote for Trump. Especially Terrell Owens being a black man. You know what that means. Like, you can, he might say that over. I don't even know if you say that over car gang because you might get punched.

26:47 Yeah, you don't say that. You just don't say that. But that was a he wanted to trigger Stephen A. Smith, and that was a low-hanging fruit to do it with. But in the meantime, I have to give catch people up on YouTubia news. Oh, Kwame Brown. He's came out and made Stephen A. Smith his number one target and labeled their whole crew the go-along to get along gang, aka the Boule. Someone else, Tina was telling me about this. Hankerchief heads. Have you ever heard of this term? No, I haven't. Well, that's also supposed to be get along, go-along crew.

27:31 Hankerchief heads. I haven't heard that, but that's what he labeled them, and it stuck. And, you know, and it's putting a lot of pressure on Stephen A. Smith. And you can tell because he even made a reply video to Kwame Brown on his show. So that means that tells you how far it's gotten up on his skin. And not only has Kwame Brown gotten up on this Stephen A's skin, Max has, and this is the sec follow-up clip to what Terrell Owens said. And Max had to chime in on what happened. Here, and I know, Max, you didn't have a chance to jump in, and I'm sure you want to respond to that. Oh, it's okay, guys. It's kind of explosive when T.O., you said tongue-in-cheek. You said that Steven, that I seem blacker than Stephen A.

28:13 And Stephen A obviously had to respond to that. And I want to respond to that before I say what I originally wanted to say, which is: first of all, I can't eat anymore all the cookouts I've been invited to, like since this whole thing came up. I see Stephen A as having inherited not only a respect for authority, but a working knowledge of reality and what it takes to get ahead. No excuses. You can always look for excuses. You can look for things to lean on. You can look for where it's not perfect. Or you can do what you have to do, which is what Stephen A has done. And I would say that his point of view, Stephen A. T.O. Stephen A's point of view, is not less black necessarily than someone else's who's more strident.

28:55 It is more conservative in certain respects. And my point of view is oftentimes more progressive. My own background is Jewish secular, not religious, but Jewish secular. So one of the things you get around Passover is act like you were a slave in Egypt. That's how I grew up. Like, you know, with that tradition of always look at the oppressed and look for righteousness and justice. And so I'm strident in that way. However, me myself, I did not have to go through the struggle like that. He bite it to the cookout. He bite it to the barbecue. Yeah. So let me explain to you what Stephen A. Smith may have been. hearing. I'm a black man. Right. Yes. Go for it.

29:40 Here. And I know, Max, you didn't have a chance to jump in, and I'm sure you want to respond to that. Oh, it's okay, guys. It was kind of explosive when T.O., you said tongue-in-cheek. You said that Steven, I seem blacker than Stephen A, and Stephen A obviously had to respond to that. And I want to respond to that before I say what I originally wanted to say, which is: first of all, I can't eat anymore all the cookouts I've been invited to, like since this whole thing came up. I see Stephen A as having inherited not only a respect for authority, but a working knowledge of reality and what it takes to get ahead. Yeah, that respect for authority. Yeah, where's that coming from?

30:17 No, that's he's a good house slave. Yeah, well, either that or she listened to your mom because she'll whoop your ass. But yeah, I took it that way too. Right. That's and Steve. I know he's over there seething, seething. Right? Like respect for authority. And then he uses the word like strident. So let me let's keep going. Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't, I didn't realize you want me to roll the fire. We don't need to, but you heard the oh, no, I kind of laughed. He's laughing on the inside. And then he's like, well, you know, Stephen A. You know, I'm more strident with my rebellion. And, you know, he's, he's controllable.

30:58 He's the, you know, he's the good Negro. And no, I'm telling you this how it received. And if you don't believe me, listen to number nine. What happened? Well, the rumor's accurate in terms of me wanting him off the show. Let's get that out the way. Yes, I did. You know, we don't have a bad relationship. I think he's a real good guy. I appreciate what he did for the show. We were number one for five years. We stayed number one, and I appreciate that. But what a lot of people don't realize is that the work that goes into doing the show every single day. In the nine years that I've been on First Take, I've given over 33,000 takes.

31:37 And what a lot of people don't realize is that not just the work that goes into that, but also the fact that it's a chemistry that you have. And sometimes it just stalls. And the audience lets you know that it is what it is. And you feel the need for something fresh. You feel the need to retool. And the reason why I'm unapologetic about my position is that, number one, it's no knock against him personally, his professionalism, his work ethic, and all of that other stuff, his talent. It's not like I wanted the guy to be fired or anything like that. I knew that there were landing spots for him available at this network that would generate just as much, if not more, revenue for him and all of that other stuff.

32:24 And it wasn't really about asking him to be off the show. It was about the fact that I knew that we together, as far as I was concerned, was not a great partnership anymore. And that was something that needed to change. It also wasn't my decision. You know, I gave my recommendation. They ask it. I tell it. Every single year when the season, you know, when the NBA season comes to an end, the bosses ask me where I stand. And for the last three years, I said, this is where I stood. Man, shows you who's got the juice. Whoa. Recent juice. As he says, I've been asking for him to be fired for three years now.

33:03 Yeah. Because he's been blacker than me. You know what I'm saying? Not my words, but that's been the sentiment that. I mean, you heard what Max said that I can't go any more cookouts. I'm full over here. And it got under Stephen A's skin. And that combined that with the go-along, get along gang. This is so on his heels. Two years ago, you wouldn't have any of these conversations during sports programming, would you? It picked up really around Colin Kaepernick. That was like the genes. Okay, yeah, so that was three years. Yeah. Yeah. So that was the genesis of the conversation.

33:45 Stephen A. wanted to keep it to sports. Max knew that as long as he's like that cool hip-hop kind of white guy. You know what I'm saying? He likes rap, you know, and that kind of thing. So he knows the rap references. So he can and like the douchebag Ari Melbourne on MSN. We're going to get to Ari. That guy. I just want to rip his neck off and pull it through the TV screen. In all fairness, never go for Ari. But I mean, very bad idea. But Max is like, nah, he's not. Nobody's bad as Ari. I mean, let's just be Ari is the pit. And I'll be covering him in the genius words of Tupac Shakur. I'm like, click.

34:28 I don't want to hear. it. Yeah, exactly. But in the thing was, Stephen Age leads off because he's the host. I mean, he's a headliner. That's right. So all Max has to do is sit back in the cut and cash the check and shut up and be normal. No, what I'm saying is the tactic that he uses in the debate because it's a debate show, is what it is. I mean, that's what the but what are they debating? That's the problem. It's like, don't debate that. Get out of here. This is sports. Correct. But, you know, ASPN went full woke. And now they're claiming they have to even go full awoke because they fire several different people over there. But I just want to show you why all of a sudden did he, after three years, they give in to his request.

35:11 Is it because he rolled up his sleeve and said, I'll be your vax man? With that says, let's get into number 10. I certainly don't believe they should be forced to do a PSA. I totally agree with you there. What I will say, however, is that the athletes themselves have put themselves in a position where people feel they should be compelled to do such a thing by virtue of the reach that they have and how they flaunt that reach and the impact that it has. Like, for example, if you want to sit up there and address, and I know that it's apples and oranges in a lot of people's eyes, but not to me.

35:48 When you sit up there and you want to address racial injustice issues, and you're talking about it's not just about myself, it's about my family, it's about my community, et cetera, et cetera. Well, in a different, in a completely different kind of way, so is the coronavirus pandemic. Because the fact of the matter is, is that when you get ill, chances are you can make someone else ill. Chances are it's going to be a member of your family, a loved one, et cetera, et cetera. And that reality, being as pertinent as it is, does elevate the level of responsibility. If you say under any circumstances that something is not about you, it's about the impact that you know you have, the voice that you know you have, the fact that you can give a voice to the voiceless, et cetera, et cetera.

36:33 And that was impetus enough or motivation enough for you to take certain positions and to put yourself on Front Street. Then someone in the medical profession can simply come to you and say, okay, we've got over 400,000 deaths nationwide. We've got millions upon millions who have died from this worldwide. It's contagious, and there's a vaccine that is proven thus far that it can help derail that issue. Do you not feel an obligation to do that? They can ask the question. Man, this spell is so powerful. And this was early on. This is before the approval of anything. A vaccine is proven.

37:17 And he's proven and he's saying that you have to take it to protect others, which is the opposite of what a vaccine does. Well, never let the truth get in the way of it. And that's why I themed this at Alex Jones. Hot look because of that. It's like nobody cares about facts. Nobody cares about truth. You might know the guy named Joe Rogan. And you saw how they did him. And this is what's like the reason one of the reasons for the show that the media is completely sold out, all media.

37:53 What's interesting about Joe, you know, I've been on to Joe's show three times, just briefly before this, this last time when he got COVID. Every single time he has a nurse on site, the minute you come in, you can't even really walk far into the door. You sit down and she does the test. And then I always ask for an antibody test to see if I might have had it, which I don't have. Although I'm pretty sure I have T-cell immunity. And knowing Joe from two years ago when he was scouting out locations in Austin and he had his mother-in-law, I think his mother-in-law may live with them, his wife, his two daughters.

38:37 And he was super cautious, no handshaking, masks. I wouldn't ask him because he's my friend, but not like we're friends. You know, just like, it's just none of my business. And if he wants to tell me, you can tell me I'm 99.99% certain he got vaccinated. And he also texted me after he was cured. And he said, well, I guess this vaccine is unnecessary. So the way he said that to me meant he definitely got the vaccine. But the assumption right away, and that's kind of, I wish he would say something about it. That's the red. No, hey. And I want to say something.

39:16 I ended the last show and I said the white phone. And what I mean by that is there's a white Boulevard and there's a black Boulevard. You know what I mean? I'm saying? Like, Joe knows. I mean, I mean, excuse me. I don't want to speak for him, but everybody in the entertainment industry knows there's certain things you can say that your phone will ring. And sometimes people just don't want that smoke. I mean, like, I mean, this is what Stephen A. Smith, this is what LeBron James is doing to bring it back to the topic. He, he knows he like a big, a large of his following are vax hesitant, right? Sure. And he's like, if I take this, if I take it, I got to come out and be full-throated about it.

40:01 And that's what Stephen A. Smith is calling on him to do, right? You've used your platform. That's when the you he's talking about is LeBron. Right. You jumped out of the guy in front of everything. You know, you put your face on everything. You know, you want to be Taco Tuesday, LeBron, you know, all this stuff. And now it's all of a sudden when it's vax time, you're saying you want to owe us a pro some decision. No, it doesn't work like that. And that's what's happening. He sold his soul a long time ago. Right. But I'm going to say this. And this is just me speculating. But if LeBron James wanted to top Michael Jordan

40:41 in being the most prolific basketball player ever, if he came out and said, I'm anti-vax, I'm riding with my people. That might be a pathway to it. He can't do it with basketball. Let's just mean this. I know you don't know basketball, but he just can't accomplish a top accomplishment of Michael Jordan. Yeah, I take your word for it. But this political issue, I'm just saying, as big as this is, this is not China. This is not Callan Kaepernick. We're talking about, I told you before, LeBron James could cause a problem in China just with his words. We talked about this in 16 where he has followings. I mean, like he calls his fans witnesses.

41:22 I mean, it's like to a demigod level. And if he comes out and says, nah, I ain't taking it. Nah, uh-uh. That might catapult him over. That's like Ali not now. You're talking about Ali and you want to compare yourself to Ali? Yeah. Yeah, you got to be against the government for starters. Well, that's that's that that's what put him on. I had that thought. I was like, now that could be a thing that puts him on par with Ali outside of school. In this regard, just to test the theory, how does Nikki Minaj fit in?

42:00 I'm sure you followed that fracket. Because, you know, now here is someone who I was, and maybe she's still going to get the bullet call. She already got it. Oh, she already backtracked. She already backtracked. No, she's got the call. She doesn't know how she's. I mean, that's what I'm saying. Wight amazing what she said. I mean, first of all, she went anti-elite by saying, hey, if I'm going to get vaxx, it's not for that. She has now, I think, she has tweeted, well, you know, I'm just going to research and I'll get vaxxed. You know, she's saying, when I have to do my tours and everything, I'm going to go slow, is I think what she was saying. But I loved how she got into a big fight with Joy Reed.

42:41 Now, does this catapult her into any sort of super stratospheric level by being female hip hop? Definitely not the message we're hearing from others. I would say being anti-vax is soon going to be like, well, it could be. It's going to be trendy. Right, Trent. I mean, like, that's the that, that's the anti, that's the counterculture. Oh, my God. We need that, Moe. We need the trendsetters. We need it. And you're starting to see. I mean, like I said, for LeBron, it's easy. This is an easy one for LeBron because they could shoot him with Saline and he goes on TV and he doesn't have to harm his body.

43:22 But he understands that his following is watching. And a huge part of his following is race-based. And this conversation is race-based. I mean, as far as the hesitancy, for reasons that we discussed before, and we may discuss later. Could stay tuned, could come up. But yeah. But let me just get back to Stephen A. Smith. And I want to show you he went from being the you to a full-on attack with Donald Lemon on CNN. Basketball superstar LeBron James won't say whether he has received or will receive a coronavirus vaccine.

43:59 James, outspoken on social issues like racial justice and voting rights, very outspoken. Says his own vaccination status is not a big deal. Maybe not do other for his predicated to my family, you know, for the majority, for 99.9% of that. So it's about the health and safety of my family. And that's what it came down to. Me being available to my teammates on the floors, me taking care of my body. Do you mind me asking if that, if you're confirming that you did get the vaccine? It's not a big deal. Season A. Thank you. That, man. Thank you. I love your outspokenness.

44:39 Thank you for doing this. This bothers you. You said that LeBron can't have it both ways, that he either wants to be out front and center bringing avoid issues or he doesn't. Tell me why this is so important to you. Well, I think that, you know, obviously, you know, you had me on your show a few months ago when I decided to take the vaccine. I had my reservations. There's a plethora of people within the African-American community that has had it that have had our reservations about taking the vaccine. But ultimately, you know, when you go into ICUs or what have you, you see things that have been so profoundly detrimental to the African-American community, you take a stand and you take a position.

45:15 I'm not of the position that LeBron James, normally under normal circumstances, should feel any obligation whatsoever to divulge whether or not he's taken the vaccine. But considering the multitude of issues that he's been willing to tackle, considering what provoked him to do so because of concerns for his community, his people, those are his words. These are the kind of things that he has said time and time and time again. Then why would you not speak on the issue of being vaccinated or not? Oh man, Stephen A. Smith is a cruise missile. He got LeBron's butt right on it. It's like, here we come. That's the that's that's this is how the bullet phone works out in public.

45:57 It's like we, oh, you don't want to answer the phone, huh? All right, okay, you don't want to answer the phone. All right. All right, LeBron. The thing that bothers me, and Stephen A. Smith did it, is this lie that COVID affects black and brown communities six times more than white communities. It's bullshit. It's not true. Wait, why don't now? Hold on. And I didn't include this in here. And you can catch it on my YouTube channel, but I discussed something I heard, and I don't know how true it is, but supposedly black people have more receptors in their nose than I BS you not. Wait a minute.

46:42 Is that because of the size of the nostrils, or could a Jewish man also get more because of his nose? He's actually on the low end of the lowest end. I got to understand this. Okay. All right. Well, like I said, go. I got to look at the live man. I got to look at the live. If people come over to the live next Wednesday at 8 o'clock. It's going to be great. Yeah, I'll discuss that. But this is from a verified doctor. So this is not something I'm pulling out. Okay. Well, then I may be wrong. But you're right in a sense of they take morbidities.

47:21 But hold on a second. Hold on a second. Yeah. I'm just presuming here that's because of the size and shape of the African-American nose. But that is certainly not uniform amongst black and brown people. I mean, there's all kinds of noses. Like I said, they said that we have five receptors and when other people have three. And I'm like, of what we have wealth in? You are so fortunate. You finally have something more than the white man. An extra receptor. Enjoy it. Two. Two extra receptors. Okay. I mean, look, the way I see it is the way poor people are affected six times as much.

48:01 And that's also white people. It's poor people. But they conflate it to high comorbidity rates. I know. Yeah. Yeah. But it sounds much better. It affects black people. You know, that's the shaming. That's the sign language, the shame, the insult. It's evil. It's evil. And I don't like it. I don't like it. So, I mean, I'll say this. I didn't clip this, but maybe later in another show. They've been putting pressure on LeBron. They had this WNBA player come out and said he's trafficking kids, which when he said about Epstein, that made me perk up. I'm like, well, now I'm like, hold on. You might have to send me some clips on this because she came out and said it like LeBron.

48:46 But it was, I know what it was. It was one of those things like, hey, we can give anything. Anytime, anytime we can do anything to you wherever we want. And then they got him pushing a referee or a fan or something. Like these stories never get reported. Now all of a sudden they're getting reported and they're putting the pressure on. This is the bullet nudge. Yes. And the final piece of pressure is the unvaccinated players could miss home games. It won't have a big impact if you do. get vaccinated. If you're an NBA player in any of these cities, get vaccinated. You won't have to go through this uncomfortable situation. But, you know, listen, the NBA is sending a clear sign that they're going to use the local guidelines, even if they have to, to not let anything interrupt their games.

49:29 They don't have the flexibility that they had last year to reschedule, postpone games, move things around, release the schedule the second half of the schedule later. That's all out the window if you're trying to get back to your 82-game schedule. So, you know, here they found an opportunity where they can basically indirectly try to promote and also mandate the vaccine in a way, not truly a mandate, but a mandate in a way. And they're going to try to utilize it. And it also avoids the politics that you got to deal with with the players' unions because now they can't even say anything when you're dealing with government mandates or government requirements because the government can't be beaten in this obviously society. And the NBA is just taking advantage of a little loophole. Any of these players in Brooklyn and New York with the Knicks and in San Francisco immune to those policies?

50:10 I got to do it. You got to do it. And they do too. And guess what? A lot of these arenas, remember, they're on public grounds. Some of them are private buildings, but some of them are on public grounds. So you got to obey by the public requirements. And this requirement says you got to show a vaccination card to get into watch the game and also to get into play. I saw ESPN report vaccinated and unvaccinated players won't even be allowed to sit next to each other in locker rooms or on planes, or they may have to take separate buses. I mean, it's not all final yet, but it seems like players could have very different experiences this season. Oh, man. So LeBron is running out of runway here because he can't sit out when he goes to Brooklyn.

50:49 He can't go sit out when he goes to Madison Square Car. He can't do that. He can't sit out when he goes to Golden State. These are marquee games. These are, these are the ones they sell the ads around, right? Hold on a second. Do you think that he actually has a conscience that he doesn't want to lie about it because he feels that people will mimic him? LeBron James or whoever's around LeBron James has good timing. Timing on where the public stands.

51:28 And when I mean the public, the black public, quote unquote, black public, right? And it's like, you can't jump out this window and be pro-vaccine because that's going to, like I said, that's going to split your following. I mean, we're seeing this splitting people. And it's not. It's splitting relationships, Moe. It's splitting families. It's very, very, very sick. Right. And so, what LeBron thought he was going to be able to dip dive and dive and say, hey, you know, it's a personal, you know, this is a guy that comes out and lets everybody know he spends $6 million on his body every year. You know what I'm saying? To get into shape. So I mean, from that standpoint, if I just want to say be genuine, if he's genuine, I understand it.

52:08 Who wants to put something experimental into your body that you've honed, you know what I'm saying, to be a fine, fine-tuned machine? Right. Just on the surface level. Exactly. But then what he doesn't do is what you suggested is, you know, get some saline or whatever and do the Nancy Pelosi bent needle. That was Vice President Harris. Right. The bent needle plastic cap. Why wouldn't he do that? Because he really can't. He doesn't want to be dishonest. No, he doesn't want to divide the herd. His own herd, you mean? Yes. I mean, because in his herd, I mean, if you just take it down the split, it could be a 30, 70, 60, 40. What do you think it is? What do you think? I would probably say it's somewhere between 70, 30, 60, 40.

52:54 Pro, I mean, professional. No, high. Hi. Yeah. I'm just saying, I'm just giving him the benefit of doubt. Like a lot of his followers awoke. But inside that, you know, he doesn't want to divide his herd, period. And it just puts him in a weird spot. And he's telling them, like, hey, this is bad for the brand. But they're like, hey, this is bigger than your brand. This is way bigger than your brand. So I'm so happy you told me about this because I had no idea this was playing. I mean, a little bit because it really doesn't seep through unless you're really into NBA. I guess you have to be watching ESPN.

53:35 Otherwise, no, no, no, no. That's why I let the clip off. That was CBS Los Angeles, a little 24-minute, excuse me, 24-second clip. It was on there. Yeah, you're right. You're right. So it's like, why of a certain vaccination status a big deal? When you start seeing it seep into mainstream news. Yeah. Well, now I got my eyes on it. Yeah. Right. And it's like, how far would they go? Are they willing to risk detonating one of their number one assets on the altar of vaccines? How long do you think he has? has until he has to say something?

54:11 Well, the first game. Because whatever, meaning what I mean, the first game, the first game with a mandate. And it's like, at that point, now he might go there and just let it blow on it, but they're not going to let it. Even when he does show up for the game and he is vaccinated, gonna make a big deal out of it. They got to. If he's not vaccinated, then he won't play. So, which game, which game do we have our eyes on? I'm going to get the schedule and I'll be letting you know whichever one shows up in New York first or either San Francisco, next Golden State. Now, how do I play the spread on Vax, not Vax? I wish that was one. Said he who doesn't know shit about sports or sports vetting. You don't need to know crap about sports and sports.

54:55 I'll tell you that much. It's all about the odds. Yeah. So that's the first block. All right. I like that. Very good. All right. So the second block was pertinent to the first block. And let's go ahead and get into the ISO. Henrietta Lacks, a black woman that got eaten alive by cancer in one week. Oh, yeah. I heard about this story. Tina was telling me this. She just told me that today. Awesome. The reason why I say awesome is awesome. Yeah. No, because I mean, it is. I mean, I mean that by the literal definition of the word because they've had her under wraps. See, they'll talk about now. This answers your question. Why do they talk about Tuskegee?

55:35 Tuskegee is men. Yes. Yeah, well, they killed some men with syphilis. They, you know, whatever. Yeah, whatever. They have gangbangers, whatever. Right. But if you say Henrietta Lacks and the story behind her, a black woman being used, experimented on, or whatever, I mean, whatever the narrative is, that hits a whole different way across my body, my choice, across a lot of these narratives. And they've tried to keep this under wraps. And what we're going to do is get into her story. And I think a good place to start is the official trailer from HBO about her immortal life.

56:15 For years, it seemed like a dream about our mother. Could this be true? What you don't understand is we didn't know nothing about nothing. Scientists have been trying to get cells to grow outside of the human body, but they would always die until Henrietta's cells came along. I want to write a book about your mother. Go Healer, Go Healer. That's my mother. Hope I don't regret this. Everyone's saying Henrietta Lacks donated themselves.

57:00 She didn't donate nothing. They took them and didn't ask. The hospital is guilty, and somebody's going to pay. God wants to have a disease cure. He provides one for himself. True sales. I don't know, Rebecca, I'm not doing anything behind your back. Henrietta helped develop the AIDS cocktail. Chemotherapy treatments. It's hard not to get caught up in hope when you've been powerless for so long.

57:44 I know I'm a part of you. Can you pardon me? Okay. I've looked her up in the meantime. Yeah. Okay. Excuse me. So this is the Gila cells. And I don't know if you know much about it, but they label her as the mother of modern medicine because her cells not only do they grow outside of the body, they replicate every 24 hours. So this opened up. Right, and they're used in medical research today, I guess, ongoing because they can keep making new cells.

58:25 AIDS, I mean, AIDS, HIV, cancer, even the COVID-19 vaccine is part of healing. And it's like, why are you not celebrating this woman? Because if you talk about her story, you had to talk about how she was robbed of her cells. This is why they want to talk about Tuskegee instead of Henrietta Lacks. Oh, of course. And otherwise, how would I have ever heard about her? Well, got to have that. The MoFax is let me know what's going on. All right, let's go ahead and get into number 15. I got to say about that is hallelujah. Finally, somebody wants. wanted to talk about my mama.

59:06 Oprah Winfrey plays the daughter of Henrietta Lacks, the woman who transformed modern medicine and had no idea. To this day, many have never heard her name. I started asking people, Do you know? Have you ever heard of Henrietta Lax ever? No one had. Something Winfrey is now determined to change. The significance of what her cells have meant, I think the world needs to know that. And now they will. Lax was a young mother of five who died of cervical cancer in 1951 at Johns Hopkins, where doctors found her unique and aggressive cancer cells were the first to grow in a lab. Henrietta never gave doctors permission to use her cells, and her family was never told.

59:47 We didn't know nothing about nothing. Like nothing they'd seen before, those cells, shortened to Gila instead of Henrietta's full name, were used to test the polio vaccine, develop in vitro fertilization, and drugs used to fight cancer, just to name a few. Her daughter Deborah and author Rebecca Skloot finally uncovered the truth. But Deborah died just before Skloot's book was published. I refuse to cry with you, Kristen, but I could when I think about Deborah, how eager she was to know about her mother and to have this story told. Henrietta's cells were reproduced in labs around the world, and millions of dollars changed hands.

1:00:29 Becca showed me the papers where he wanted to use her name, but the lawyers didn't want her. Oh, okay. I just, wow. Head exploding. You know, in the 80s, I was involved in so much AIDS charity raising. That's how I know Fauci, that a-hole. He was always around all the big parties hanging out. I have my own thoughts. We've discussed them privately, I think, publicly. That I think it was really ACT that was the biggest problem, a Fauci invention, very much like Remdesivir. So, anyway, in all those years, knowing

1:01:12 having read many books, never heard of Henrietta Lacks. And you haven't heard her name brought up with COVID yet. Why is that? This should be a selling point. The black lady that saved the world with this, you know what I'm saying? Her cells that was able to make this vaccine. That would be the selling point, but you know what? Then we got to talk about her and John. That's the problem. How they stole her cells, how she was experimenting on basically, and then this created more distrust, which this is how they can't use her. This is the story I wanted. This is the new Tuskegee story. This is the Tuskegee Times 100.

1:01:54 You wait. You wait until we go all the way down this route. Now, I see an article in the Hindustan Times, of course. Hello, India. Yeah, Henrietta Lacks cells were used to carry out research for the first polio vaccine, first in vitro fertilization for cancer, most recently for studying the effects of SARS CoV replication in the human body. Right. That's the top hit. Hindustan Times. Way to go, American media. But it's by when I when we see stuff that's missing, that speaks louder than the things that are there because it's like, why is this big?

1:02:36 I mean, this, if they didn't take the sales in the way they did, she would be celebrated as, like I said, as black girl magic. This is, I mean, oh, this is the black lady that saved the world, but they can't do it because then it brings up more questions about experimentation on black people. And it's fascinating that they've suppressed this. And I'm looking at the timeline. This, this official trailer was created in 2017. Is it like, did they create Oprah to spin this? Because you heard her say in the clip, oh, Johns Hopkins didn't do nothing. Yeah. Yeah. That's insane. And this was from when?

1:03:17 This was from 2017. Right. Are you talking about that? When it happened, it happened in 1950. No, no, no. The Oprah, the Oprah thing. That's 2017. 2017. Okay. Yeah. And what Hopkins, I mean, now you can fill me in because you've been on top of the whole COVID thing. The 201 thing out of Hopkins? Event 201, yeah. Right. So that planning is this part of it. Well, it was certainly around the time they were planning it. I mean, right. Oh, yeah. Let's take a slide. You've given me, yeah, yeah, we definitely it's like uh pump the brakes a bit, Moe. I mean, it's like my head's spinning here. It's just something I've never heard of. Well, let's listen to 16. Let your hair start spinning and we'll come.

1:03:59 come back. Johns Hopkins says it did not profit. The family got nothing. But for the next generation, there is a new mission now. You can't help but be proud of what it's done. So when you think about that, it's like, okay, something bad happened, but something so much good has come from it. David Lacks now sits on a board at the National Institutes of Health, helping to decide just what Henrietta's gene sequence is used for. And I think we ought to think of the Lacks family as some of the greatest philanthropists in medicine of all time. They speak around the country, urging doctors to never forget the patient behind the Petri dish.

1:04:41 She was a woman. She was black with limited education, limited finances, and look what she has done for the world. Rebecca Sklute has set up a foundation for the Laxes and others who've contributed to science without their consent. If anyone had taken just a few minutes to listen to her and ask answer her questions, it would have changed the whole story for her, for her family. A family now taking back its history. I think what we're trying to say is that her life really mattered. A legacy, just like Henrietta sells, living on.

1:05:23 Kristen Dahlgren, NBC News, Los Angeles. Again, all 2017, I guess. Yes, and this is the Crump effect, right? When you see these people tragically killed, they bring in, you know, the Crump. And I think Crump is maybe involved in this family. You might confat check me on the fly, but this is the fact, right? You bring it in, make the family, you know, well, we forgive Johns Hopkins. And in the movie, you say they didn't do anything. Johns Hopkins, let me correct that. They didn't do anything really. They didn't, you know, they didn't profit from it. It's that word profit. Yeah, crumps in.

1:06:02 Crumps in. You nailed it. There you have it. It's the crump effect. Tragedy happens. He comes in, smooth the waters. And this is an article on the board. An article from July 31st, 2021. Nah, the bag wasn't big enough. Dang. So they said millions. And when they say, oh, no, you can't be one of the biggest philanthropists. I can't even say that word. Philanthropists. It's a tough. Yes, thank you, sir. Got a lot of real estate with these lips moving around. I wouldn't know, Moe. I've never seen you. Missing the receptors, man. But yeah, so I'm sure he's like, millions. You know, Crump's ear is probably perked up.

1:06:46 We're talking billions here. And so the bag wasn't big enough. So the family's probably coming after John Hopkins. So. Wow. But it gets deeper. But wait, there's much more. There's much more. So we have this is from John Hopkins, Johns Hopkins Medicine YouTube page. And this is Henrietta Lacks, her impact and our outreach. At the center of the Henrietta Lacks story are people asking questions for people trying to understand the biology of human cells.

1:07:24 It's there for bioethicists, for patients. This is why Johns Hopkins is committed to outreach and education for all the community. It's a labor of love. We all feel like we're connected to this beautiful woman who we call the mother of medicine. It really makes you think about how powerful an impact one person unknowingly could make. I would say that Henrietta is probably, if not the most important, certainly one of the most important women in science and medicine. And we all learn and follow Henrietta Lack's legacy as we contribute to research and medicine.

1:08:09 Henrietta Lacks was a 31-year-old woman admitted to Johns Hopkins in 1951 for the diagnosis and treatment of cervical cancer. Unfortunately, she had a very aggressive cancer, and within a year, she had died. As part of the care she received at Johns Hopkins, the cells from her care were brought into a laboratory and cultured and have become the first human living cell line, which has allowed us to learn remarkable things about how human cells function. Yeah, when this whole Crump thing propped up, I think this is when they started posting these videos on their website and on YouTube.

1:08:54 Mm-hmm. and care. It's like, what kind of care did you give her? You stole her sales or culture. That's what they want to say. I mean, we cultured her sales, but they're still her body. I mean, like, she can never rest in peace. I mean, if you want to think about it in that way, no, I mean, it's, although not exactly the same, it's like you can't just be printing up t-shirts with Elvis on it. Correct. It's not exactly the same, but I think it's even more egregious. But I don't know if there's any likeness. I mean, yeah, I just don't know if there's any law. I don't know what the law, the law is about that. There should be, for sure. Screw that. And what idiots? What idiots?

1:09:37 John Hopkins should be like, he's a check. Be quiet. I think they tried, but you're talking them towards a million. When you get Crump on the scene, that's right. The bag expands. The bag has to be much bigger. And that's the thing. The family was playing along in 2017. Right. With the movie. But now they're looking now and they're like, hold on. Grandma was part of the COVID vaccine. Well, no, I think it's different. Oh, wait a minute. Look at this guy. What he did for George Floyd's family. You know, you know, just saying about the money, like in the news, they're like, this is a billion-dollar industry. Oh, yeah, of course. Yeah. And they're like, what, whoa, wait, wait, wait, wait. And y'all gave us, you know, whatever the amount was, fill in the blank.

1:10:19 I don't know what it was. Or, you know, or positions or praise or, you know, right, this board, advisory board position, I think I heard. Yeah. Yeah. So it's like, of course, when you see Crump. Now, that's one thing about Crump. It's about the money. I mean, he's coming for the Moolah. So that's another thing that's why I said I can never do a full show on any of these because the story's unfinished. But these are kind of things that we need to keep our eye on. Yeah. Of will they use her as a topic or not. So same thing with LeBron's situation. So now we have Rebecca Sleuth. Skuth? Slut. I think it's Skloot. Sklut. Sklut.

1:10:59 Sklut. This is Democracy Now, Democracy Now, and The Immortal Life. As we continue our conversation with Rebecca Skloot, the author of the best-selling book, The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks. We're doing the story today because this week, Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore, Maryland has just named a building after Henrietta Lacks. They were there with the Lacks family, members of the Lacks family. And today we're going to talk about a woman who you may have never heard of, or maybe you've just heard about her name because this book has been on the bestseller list for so many years: The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks.

1:11:45 Rebecca, it's great to have you stay with us. Can you talk about how you discovered the story? Yeah, I learned about the cells when I was 16 in a basic biology class. Most people do. My teacher, you know, he talked about the Gila cells and all the amazing things they'd done for science. And then he happened to know her name. Most people actually at that point in time knew her as Helen Lane, which was a fake name basically that was put out connected to the cells. And he wrote Henrietta Lacks on the board in big letters and just said she was a black woman and that was it. And I went up to him after class and I was like, what else do we know about her? And did she have any kids? And what do they think about all this? And he just said, sorry, no one knows anything. And I just became obsessed with this question of who this woman was and what, you know, what happened and why we didn't know.

1:12:29 It seemed so inconceivable to me. Interesting. There was an alias out there. Yeah. Knockoffs. It's like Helen Lane. It's like, oh, instead of Chanel, it says channel. Yeah, exactly. Right, right. So these were knockoffs. I mean, they were, they got these cells on Canal Street. But that's so, that's so disgusting. Like, they knew they, you don't lie about that. No. Feel like you did anything wrong. They, oh my goodness. This is this is a this is a scandal. And another point is we're coming up right on the 70-year anniversary. I'm sure Crump's looking at it there as well. Like, hey, say her name. Say her name. Right.

1:13:12 Say her, say her name. Henrietta Lacks. I'm sure you're going to want to do something from the Henrietta Lacks building. You don't want me to have my boons out there. Yeah. And ALS people joining us. They're noisy. Yeah. So, I mean, this is a very volatile situation for how they play this because this only stokes the fire if Crump Crump knows where he has him because he's like, you're trying to convince black people. Tuskegee's kind of blowing over. And then this story blows up on the 70th year anniversary. Oh, man. How you basically stole this woman's award. woman. And it's a woman.

1:13:52 And a black woman. Oh. Oh, this is so good, Mo. Wow. Thanks, man. I love you for this. This is great. I'm glad. I'm glad you appreciate it. I love it. Yeah, this is excellent. These people are so evil. 19. Well, talk about the history of medical experimentation in the black community. For example, you had to do a lot of work and research for your remarkable book, The Immortal Life of Henrietta Latch. For example, the Tuskegee experiment. Yeah, there's a long history of black people being used in research without their consent in this country.

1:14:32 And one of the most famous examples of that is the Tuskegee syphilis studies, though it had been happening in the slavery era and beyond. And the Tuskegee studies were sort of one of the most unethical things I think that's probably happened in science in the United States. Hundreds of black men were essentially studied. They had syphilis and they were studied to watch how syphilis killed you from infection to death. And they weren't offered treatment even when treatment was available. So at a certain point, you could have cured this with antibiotics and they weren't given the option and didn't know that they were part of this experiment. And so it wasn't, it was at the end of that. There was actually a lot of press surrounding that.

1:15:13 And it did a tremendous amount of damage to trust within sort of black communities when it comes to science and medical, getting medical care. So that's just one in a long line of sort of stories in history. And Henrietta's story has been that within certain areas where people know about her, like in East Baltimore around Hopkins. It's sort of been oral history passed through Black communities as part of why it's hard to trust science. Ooh, nice little tag there. Hard to trust science. And as she says, Baltimore, aka the Black Butterflies, what it's called, because they have this slim

1:15:54 section of white neighborhoods. And then outside of it, it's blackness on both sides of Baltimore. So this was kind of known in the area, locally. Like, yeah, Hopkins, yeah, they experiment on you. And we saw this the same thing with Grady down in Atlanta, right? Shady Grady. Yeah. Which he had a very suspect past. It's like all of these hospitals are named after or have histories that are problematic to use a term. My mouth is hanging open right now. And please tell me this all stems from me bitching about the Tuskegee story that you decided

1:16:39 to check out another rabbit hole. Yeah. Or it kind of fell in your lap. Yeah. No, what happens is when you ask me a question, I give you a short answer, but then if I can give you a longer answer, maybe the producers have the same question. So it's like, let me go ahead and address this. And then with the LeBron thing, it just fed in. Like, you know, that's perfect. Yeah, it's perfect. This is fantastic. It's very interesting. And the only sad thing is this interview is Democracy Now with Amy Goodman. She's like the kiss of death for stories. Like once you're on Democracy Now, it's like you're going nowhere. Yeah, it's like we covered it. It's that kind of thing. It's like, what do you mean? What do you mean it wasn't on PBS? Look over here. Democracy Now. Yeah.

1:17:23 Right. So, I mean, and like I said, to tie the two together, they taught, I didn't do this. They taught Tuskegee with Madeline. Then they try to sawsuit, though, like in certain areas. It's the same, but it's not like Tuskegee. So, I mean, this is damage control and like, we don't want to piss out the people at Hopkins, right? But we have to kind of, it's like a limited hangout is the perfect time to do it. Oh, sure. Sure. So, um, let's go ahead and get into part three. Yeah. So, Henrietta, one of the most amazing things to me about this moment is Henrietta actually knew there was something wrong. She just sort of sensed it and she actually found this tumor herself

1:18:04 right on the outside of her cervix and went to Hopkins and just sort of went in and said, I have this lump and it needs to be looked at. And in that moment, you know, this, she went to Hopkins because it was the only place where she could go as a black woman. This was the era of segregation. So there was colored wards and the white wards in hospitals. And most places wouldn't actually didn't have a colored ward, so she couldn't even go. And the thinking at the time was sort of, you know, the people who ended up in what they referred to as the public ward were either black or they were poor and they couldn't afford care. And the thinking was, well, we're giving you free medical care as payment. We get to do whatever we want with you, essentially. And so there was a lot of research that was conducted. conducted in these wards that people didn't know about at the time.

1:18:48 And so, Henrietta showed up. She ended up going under anesthetic to get this biopsy of her cervix. And that's when the doctor just took a little extra piece and put that in a dish and sent it to George Guy, who was the head of tissue culture research and had been trying to grow cells for decades. And what happened then? And then he never died. Yeah, so her cells weren't able to keep cells alive. No, well, so they'd been able to keep cells alive for maybe 24 hours in the past, but hers just not only did they not die, but they began doubling their numbers every 24 hours. So they just grew with this incredible intensity that no one had ever seen before. Like a cash machine.

1:19:32 It's a popular phrase. I don't know if it's just solely in the black community, but we don't die, we multiply. This is literally that. You can't kill us. No, you take the, you take us out, take her cells out, and they won't die. And not only don't they don't die, but they grow with this tremendous amount of vigor. It's amazing. And it's like, the sad thing is, we should be celebrating this woman for her. And like, like I said, she's the mother of modern medicine because a lot of things couldn't happen, but the fact that it was done under such shady, you know,

1:20:14 I hear this. And you're like, yeah, we can't trust science because of this. And my mind immediately goes to the poorest neighborhoods in America where Planned Parenthood is based. Who the hell knows what they're doing? Who the hell knows what's going on? And now you see why not only Tuskegee, but free health care in general, or when black people went and got health care, it's like, well, you know, they're going to take something. Like, I mean, why they're in there? And that built the distrust between the medical. They're talking about it's a distrust between doctors and black people.

1:20:54 I mean, there's a real distrust there because all you have is a knife or a pill for me. And then you hear these stories. Shady Grady in Atlanta. I mean, in Atlanta, yeah. You hear Hopkins in Baltimore. And I'm sure every major city has a hospital that you go in, you ain't coming out. I mean, but that's the narrative with the ventilators now, right? If you go in and you ain't coming out, it's like that's the narrative. And welcome to the bottom. I mean, no, we've been bouncing around here for a while, Mo. It's recognized. No, I'm just saying, you've, you've, you've, you've been like, it's, you've latched on to the bottom now.

1:21:37 Yeah. It's, it's becoming firm that it's not race anymore. It's just your status. And if you don't want to take it, then you're on the bottom. And as you heard her say, that, you know, that makes me wonder, like, if you give me this thing, this stuff for free, what comes along with it? They always take something. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, just as an aside to that, I was watching an Israeli talk show. It was a clip from it, which was subtitled. And it was so funny. The people are outraged because now they're learning that Israel was really a giant laboratory for Pfizer.

1:22:20 And I think it wasn't that obvious. It was like that was the only one you could get. And everyone was talking about it that way. And now all of a sudden, people are like, hey, wait a minute. We were used as a giant experiment, as a giant Petri dish. Well, speaking of Israel, we got to go back to show 29. And this is clip number 21. For several years, the Israeli government was forcibly administering birth control to a segment of its minority population with doctors injecting Ethiopian Jewish women against their will with a contraceptive Deprovera. But it wasn't until this January that a government official finally acknowledged it. And while the government has finally put an end to this inhumane, insane population control tactic, the story has shed a light on a dangerous contraceptive that's now being pushed and administered on women of color all over the world, including right here in the U.S.

1:23:14 So here to talk about the use of Deprovera and how this is targeting minority populations in both here and abroad. I'm joined now by Randy Short, president and national spokesperson for the anti-deproveric clergy coalition. Yeah, eugenics. The same place, the same place. Unbelievable. You know, I was reading, actually, it was part of my basketball team ownership research. Okay. And. you know, the Nazis, we all know about Operate. We've talked about Operation Paperclip and how they brought over a whole bunch of the Nazis, including Werner and Brown. But in World War II, there were two brothers who had a legal firm and they represented a lot of the U.S.

1:23:57 companies who were doing business with the Nazis, IBM, General Motors. Is it Brown? Not Ford. I'm sorry, Ford. Dulles. Okay. The Dulles brothers. Of course. And Alan Dulles went on to create the CIA. And it has an airport name for him right here in DC. He also was instrumental in appointing Hoover creating the FBI. I mean, to me, it's like it's a very, it's an easy hop to say the Nazis, you know, they came in, they never left. They're still up to their old tricks with the Schwarzenegger. And now they're doing it to everybody.

1:24:36 That's the ultimate goal, right? I mean, that was the ultimate goal then, and they're persistent little buggers. They don't stop. You know, thank God, you know, it must be the weed because I really, if I think about this too much, you know, I just need to go to sleep at night. It's just it's it's so it's almost so it's so obvious what's what probably is going on here that you don't want to believe it and that's the crazy part it's like but you have to that's why we discuss this in gallows humor and laugh about it of course because you have to mock it that's the only only well only way to break the spells we gotta mock it all right so speaking of which now we get to get into the history of johns hopkins and his influence on

1:25:25 and how is it how his influence haunts baltimore welcome to the real news i'm jessel noor johns hopkins a renowned institution of higher education and medicine its name is synonymous with baltimore where it serves as the largest private employer its technological and medical breakthroughs routinely make the news but recently hopkins has grabbed headlines for a different reason it's found itself the target of protest by community members students and its own workers who say it's harming the very people it's supposed to serve they point to hopkins own legacy in a city that remains haunted by inequality racism and segregation well joining us in our

1:26:04 studio today is a leading expert on these topics antero piatella thanks so much for joining us thank you for inviting me so let's start with who johns hopkins was and why he decided to uh you know fund a hospital and a university which at the time would his idea at the time this was in the 19th century was to make uh create institutions that would serve everybody including african americans and uh you know so talk about who he was and why he decided to do that well johns hopkins was a direct descendant of william the conqueror the duke from normandy who overran england in 1066 and so

1:26:44 his folks they came from wales in england and there were two brothers who went to rhode island and and four other brothers they came to the baltimore area and two of them then ended up in today's crofton in andrundale county where they received several hundred acres of tobacco land from the king of england so he was he was a notable person to begin with came from notable family white privilege just just so happens he had bloodlines back to willing the conqueror what do you know what do you know what do you know but you know so just for people that don't know who william the conqueror is are you familiar with him i don't know i am actually because of my european schooling so yeah i've clearly worried that's why i i want you i'm gonna lean on you on this one but let's get everybody caught up with uh who william the conqueror

1:27:39 is william of normandy known as the conqueror arrived on the channel coast from france in 1066 it has become the one date every english schoolchild knows as a contemporary writer noted in this year came william out of normandy king harold came to oppose him and fought most resolutely and there was great slaughter on both sides the battle of hastings was fought here at a town named battle on the south coast of england harold the saxon king was slain with an arrow through his eye on this ridge where william later built an abbey to celebrate his victory

1:28:31 england was overcome by force of arms for the last time last time. And the country had new rulers with very new ideas of how to keep their subjects in order. William's first act on landing at Pevensey was to erect a wooden fort within the old Roman walls, standing on the site of the present castle. He quickly followed it with one of the best-known buildings in the world: the Tower of London. Standing on the banks of the Thames, nothing like it had been seen before.

1:29:10 The White Tower, built with stone brought from Normandy, dominated the early London skyline and the minds of those that saw it. This was a potent symbol of the new order. In short, it was a castle. Oh, JH really comes from good stock, huh? How can be it? I mean, erecting huge buildings, you know, that dominate the people's. It's the same thing with John Johns Hopkins Hospital now in the middle of these poor Baltimore neighborhoods, right? You have this huge building. Am I Space Jam reaching here? Just let me know. I mean, no, you are.

1:29:48 And the reason why I know a little bit about this is because I still have my stamp book, although my, although I think I sold my penny black, which was probably worth some good money now. And I collected British stamps as a 14-year-old. And I have a first edition, you know, like, what do you call that? Like the first day it comes out. I forgot even what the name is. And you get a little block, and it was the Battle of Hastings. It had all the whole story of the Battle of Hastings all as one stamp block. And so that rings true. The story is true. I have the stamps to prove it. I got receipts. To bring in a new order. Oh, yeah, of course, to bring in the new order.

1:30:32 You kidding me? I don't make this stuff up. I mean, no. So let's get back to John's the Conqueror. But segregation soon followed because Baltimore was in the midst of a major racial change. In 1899, it was the turning point when Democrats came back to power in Baltimore under the slogan, this is a white man's city. So all this was reflected in the admission policies of the hospital, which continued to treat black patients, but now in separate wards.

1:31:08 In your book, you do an incredible job of detailing how the leadership of Hopkins, this elite group of people that controlled Hopkins, also played critical roles in Baltimore City and its leadership as well. Talk about how Hopkins, you talk about how it was bankrupt at one time, how it grew in prominence, and who some of these key figures were in shaping its history and its rise. Well, the first, both the university and the hospital, they were governed by separate boards with lots of overlap.

1:31:45 And the initial board members were nominated by Hopkins himself. And then afterwards, the connection to Hopkins and his thinking disappeared. And so what we have particularly, there are two interesting developments in the history of the Hopkins complex. And one of them is that Hopkins, president, and head of the university's trustees, they played a major role in fostering residential segregation in Baltimore. One day, one day, we're all going to wake up and we're going to realize who the real racists are. Democrats take over, push segregation. Woo-hoo-hoo! Experimentation on black people.

1:32:29 Now, I got to give John a little, you know, saying we always humanize here. They just kind of hijacked his name now, right? Of course, of course. But it's the mentality of superiority and that you're poor. You need medical help. Your body is the only commodity you have. Let's swap. You know, I'll give you help now in the short term if you let me have a piece of you, you know what I'm saying, down the line. And that's. It's an old story, man. It's an old story in many different versions.

1:33:06 And people wonder why there's distrust. Trust me, when people went into those hospitals, I know this being from a small town in North Carolina, it's like when you go in, you don't come out right. You know, I mean, that's just, and this is, it's fascinating to hear people lose trust in the medical system in the way that it does. so you're telling, you're giving me new information. I mean, this is this is new from our conversation. This, this, I mean, this is experimentation. I mean, this is this, this is mind-blowing. I thought I knew pretty much everything about every kind of story, particularly something of this magnitude, but this, they, they kept this from my, from, from my view.

1:33:51 This is unbelievable. Yeah, and it's not like they people would know what happened to them. Like, oh, they took this out. No, but you just knew you weren't yourself when you came. I mean, like, you only go to the hospital if you have to. That's like, you know, like, like, well, I'm weighing my odds here. And it's, I got, I got to go. That kind of thing. It's not like you knew that they did something to you, but that distrust is built in. So I think we stopped at 24. I guess we can get into 25. All right. Hopkins is an interesting story in the sense that what I do in my book, I go through the ethnic rotations in those neighborhoods. And the pattern was

1:34:38 the area around Hopkins initially was largely German. Then it became Irish. Then it became largely Jewish. And then African Americans, for various reasons, began moving to that area. Now, today there is lots of controversy about Hopkins and its remaking of that neighborhood, which is seen as gentrification. This is East Baltimore. This is an East Polymer. And my point in the book is that gentrification, really, in terms of Hopkins, is largely a misnomer because those neighborhoods, before the urban changes and racial changes reached the hospital area,

1:35:22 those neighborhoods favor not poor by any means. So what I see happening in East Polymer today, instead of gentrification, really is regentrification, trying to recreate neighborhoods that are financially solvent and can sustain various neighborhood activities and keep it in good shape. And in your book, you write that in 1970, the hospital's director of planning wrote, quote, a hostile black community, constantly reminded of past expansion, limits future enlargement of the site. The characteristics of the neighborhood make the area uncongenial for employees, staffs, and students.

1:36:07 Hold on a second. So now, did they have a hand in this to expand? I mean, obviously, we know what the ultimate goal was, but what happens is they want to expand. And they just need to make the neighborhood crap so they can tear it down. Correct. And that's what we're seeing. What I believe we're seeing everywhere now. Everywhere. East Austin, everywhere. But you see these memes of videos. Hello the wire. Right. So you ride down the, you see this. It's a meme that's going around now of a street in Philadelphia where a guy's kind of riding in the car and he has like the fixed camera and he's catching all like these zombie-like

1:36:52 drug addicts. Yep. This is how they justify mass incarceration. See, this is planned, what's the word? Obsolescence of people. Of people. You take out the serious people, serious people moving to, you know, like people from California. They're going to Austin or New York's going to Florida, all these things. All you leave now is a crime-ridden cities. It's like, well, somebody got to come here and clean it up, right? I mean, that's, I mean, it's the only right thing to do. Welcome Larry Elder. Right. You drive down the property value with all the drug addicts, the drugs, the fentanyl, the car fentanyl, and everything else. And guess what? Now you come in and buy it up pennies on the dollar with clean out.

1:37:36 This is addicts. You know what? Here's what it pisses me off. This is the, this is what we initially connected on when I was talking about I know a gym that was about Nip C. Hustle. And I had kind of seen this happen. And then, you know, after I've seen the wire, by the way, God bless Omar. They got Omar. Yep. That sucks. It's, you know, going back to Jay-Z, going back to, you know, the Brooklyn stadium. I mean, it's all the same story. We saw the same thing in New York. The same thing. And I think we're seeing it in Austin. You know, East Austin is, we had to leave. Now, it wasn't that horrible, but it was really.

1:38:19 Just around the corner. You know, it's coming. I mean, you could read the tea leaves. I did. Yeah. I did down the street. It's, yeah, people are getting cars getting broken to every night down the street. Is it maybe time to move before they move up the block? Breaking in, there's a killing every night. He's had 60 in Austin this year, all-time record. But that's allowed to happen. Yes. Down to property value. So when you come to buy it in, this is what happened in Hopkins with the wire and everything else. But just that, don't believe me and you. Let's listen to clip number four. And that takes me to my next question: the relationship between Hopkins and the local black residents in East Baltimore.

1:39:02 You know, you talk about and the relationship of medical institutions in general. You talk about from doctors to robbing graves. You have a section in your book about that, which is really fascinating. You talk about how Hopkins was known as the plantation. And, you know, there's also people like Henrietta Lacks, whose genetic material was harvested by Hopkins without her consent as well. That's true. And so one of the Hopkins presidents once said that Hopkins

1:39:38 is not a good neighbor. And all this has come to play in East Baltimore, where people remember the days when 1,200, the homes of 1,200 black people were demolished in order for Hopkins to construct a dormitory housing 200 white USCs and doctors. So there's lots of distrust toward the Hopkins. And in the recent controversies that we soon talk about, all this has come to play. Everything that Hopkins has done in the past, all its crimes have been mentioned. Henrietta Lacks, experiments with lead paint, all kinds of other stuff.

1:40:21 The Cordana Towers. If you're listening on a podcasting 2.0 compatible app, you know what to do. Boost. You got to boost that. Cordana Towers, just like in the wire. Yes, it's exactly the same. And the reason why I know this relationship, because it's a strange relationship, because he started out saying that Hopkins is the number one employer, I think, in Baltimore, maybe in Maryland. I can't recall, but I'll just say Baltimore. The reason why I know this is I'm from Durham. Duke is the same way. So it's like you know these things happen like with Duke and the hospital and these kind of things.

1:41:03 But at the same time, a lot of people eat from them, literally, like nurses, housekeeping, these, you know, saying these types of jobs. So it's this weird relationship that it has with the neighborhood or the people that live in them. Yeah, keep on going, Mo. I got nothing. None of this is great. This is like the best. It's like finding a gem on Netflix. You know, it's like, holy crap. It's like when I watched that damn octopus documentary with the guy living with an octopus for a year. That's how good this is. It's like octopus level good. So now, caution people, caution.

1:41:48 Oh, boy. Trigger warning. We have one. We're about to get some pure uncut AJ here. This is Alex Jones. And I'm going to play the full clip that I took the snippet from concerning Henrietta Lacks. And I found the former Pfizer employee who heads up the project for the main level four bioweapons lab in London, England, that we'll be telling you about. And I watched seven or eight of his videos and then read, scanned over dozens of his papers. And by the time I was done, my job was on the ground. And it went right back to

1:42:25 Henrietta Lacks that we told you about. This black woman that got eaten alive by cancer in one week. And they cut her uterus out, stole it. And it's the basis of all human cloning, everything today. The cells won't die. They have factories all the world that just create her cells. And I already knew all this, but my God, I didn't know they cloned her in 1966. They splashed her with mice in 1966. I mean, we, I mean, folks, you've seen the thing where it like jumps on things and eats them.

1:43:05 That's that's what ate her. And they even say they don't believe it's human, doesn't have our genome, doesn't have our chromosomes, and they call it another species in debate whether what was in her uterus is an alien. I'm going to show you Wikipedia. and then I'm going to show you the actual documents. Now, this little fella right here, because let me tell you, I'm not going to pretend to know exactly what they're doing, but let's just say this: it's world ending, baby. They're putting Henrietta Lack cells in you. I love Alex. He always gives you something to think about. And man, he's he's been pretty damn close on a lot of things. Was it?

1:43:47 I need to have, I got questions. Was it an alien? Like, seriously, like they're not telling us something here. These genes, these, excuse me, these cells just grow like nobody's been. I know I'm being tongue-in-cheek when I say alien, but what is it? Because that makes me ask, what are you putting in me or trying to put in me? You know, these are real. I mean, I'd say this, like I said, we use Gallus Human here, but it's based on a real question of if you have such a great product, tell me what it is. Well, now, let's just be clear.

1:44:25 I'm not 100% sure that her cells are being put into any vaccine. Her cells are being used to develop a vaccine. I could be wrong. I don't know. No, what I'm saying is we're talking just in generalities here of because nobody knows. Somebody knows something. What I mean, even if a doctor sat down and explained it to me, I still wouldn't know. See what I'm saying? But the narrative is: why are you hiding this lady from us? Which she's an American hero. I mean, if you tell a story, but it's like, no, you don't want to tell a story because then you had to tell the whole story. So it's like, oh, well,

1:45:08 you know, they play this weird game of like, she's so great, but we can't talk about her. Because of the, well, okay, so what you're, what you're your hypothesis here is that the uh, well, we can't really talk about her because John, this is the controversial, that that, um, that's kind of covering up something even more sinister. It creates more questions than it for sure does. For sure, it does. And when questions come in, doubts come in, and when doubts come in, I'm more reluctant not to go along with it. What's interesting is, is this the same story Tina was telling me about and she just read a headline? I don't know. I mean, I'm curious. I mean, because I haven't seen her name anywhere.

1:45:53 No, Tina said, Oh, did you hear about the woman who got cancer and seven days later, she was dead? And I said, No, that's horrible. And she said, And I said, Well, what about it? She said, No, I just, I've been reading. She admits right away, I didn't really read it. But I think this story must be maybe because of Alex. Is this a recent Alex Jones episode? Yes. So that's why it's probably out there. So it's floating around if it's reaching us. It's floating. But Tina's deep, man. The keeper goes deep and wide. So I don't know. I don't know where she's picked that up. Shout out to the keeper. Yeah, oh, yeah. But as he said, and like I said, I'm taking his

1:46:40 when you say stuff like that, like she had an alien in her uterus, it makes it like very dismissible. But I understand why he does that because it makes headlines and it gets the word out there. Because you sit there with a PowerPoint and boring, like you bore people to death. So it's like, let me look this up. You know what I'm saying? It's alien or uterus kind of thing, but so this is not this is not foreign to Alex. I mean, he's been saying this. My God, for 25 years, they've been growing babies and cows. So he's been kind of on tracking that, you know? Right. So he did say that they're growing factories.

1:47:21 It's growing her sales all around the world. I believe. Well, let's go over to Dr. Oz and Real Healer Sales. And go ahead. Is that really hard? That's her. There are millions of Henrietta cells in there. Wow. Wow. Like in the movie, when she has it, she goes, She's cold. This is warm. So these are the real cells. Just grew them. We did not even have the real cells in the movie, Dr. Raj. This is fantastic. That is fantastic. The guys at New York Medical College drew these for us. Come on over here. I actually put some under the microscope. I want you to see them with your own eyes. Rose, go ahead and take a look. Yes.

1:48:04 Don't poke your eyes out. Look at this. Rose, this is just like in the movie. She looks like a journalist scientist now, doesn't she? Wow. And we're going to put them up in the big monitor. This is just like in the movie. movie. I know. Isn't that great? So, you guys go ahead and look. And when Rosa's done, Oprah, take a look. Everybody else, this is what Oprah's seeing back here. She's seeing all the cells. And you see the little black-dotted ones? The little black dots are the nucleus. That's actually her DNA. Henrietta. Oh, my God. That is fascinating. And then the gray stuff is the cells. That is so cool. I know. Don't it, Dr. That is good. Shut it again. Adrian Cool, everyone at home. Hey! I have the Arthur. Rebecca. We're looking at the cells. Haven't you seen them? I've seen the cells. Many times. Well, let's hold a little bit of

1:48:50 it, Dr. Arsenal. Okay. I have never held the actual cells in my hand. They're yours. Wow. Don't drop them. You know, you get a Gila and you get a Healer. Yeah. You get a Healer. And everybody in the crowd take some Gila home. Like, seriously? Y'all are peddling human remains. I mean, I hate to say it. I mean, I know I'm being hyperbolic here, but what I'm just saying is for Oprah to be on television and we say about women, you know, whatever, about, you know, people's bodies and their rights or whatever. And y'all are just pedaling Henrietta Lacks around, like, oh, take some home with you.

1:49:31 Oh, we just fresh grew them like the tomatoes. No, fresh from the farm to the table. Like, what? I found that's the most disgusting clip out of all I've got so far. It frustrates me. For years, they've been talking about the eugenicists actually want to make superhumans. You got to wonder. You got to wonder. You know, is Henrietta lax? Well, that maybe that can make people self-regenerate. I don't, I say, I don't know. Who the heck knows? Who the heck knows? But wow, yeah. And this again, put it on the board.

1:50:11 We're watching. Yes, we're watching. This is fascinating. I can't watch anything else now. I'm going to be scouring the webs. We got to find more about this. What's happening right now? This is good. Well, what we don't do is peddle in Gila sales. So we ought to thank producers. Yes. This would be a good time to do it. First, the white man and the black man have to be able to sit down at the same table. The white man has to feel free to speak his mind without hurting the feelings of that Negro. And the so-called Negro has to feel free to speak his mind without hurting the feelings of the white man. Then they can bring the issues that are under the rug out on top of the table and take an intelligent approach to get the problem solved.

1:50:51 That's the only way that they'll ever do it. Yeah. And that's exactly what we're doing here at MoFax with Adam Curry. And we are back on our schedule and glad to see that people are supporting the show. We've got the producers out in full force. This is value for value. It's the only way this will ever work. None of this, this is going to be a very dangerous show to have advertising. We'd be without advertisers one way or the other. Because we wouldn't have made it out in the first block. A block and you're done. And you're done. That's right. Oh, yeah. It's like, oh, those guys. Yeah, okay. Let me just give them a little call, make sure they understand what's going on. So to make sure we are immune from the Boulevard, we do it value for value.

1:51:32 And you can support us through PayPal and Cash App in a number of ways. If you go to mofundme.com, and of course, you always want to take a look at mofax.com. Everything's out on there. And if you're using a podcasting 2.0 compatible app, you can boost us. And I think we now have the boostagrams hooked up. So you can also send a message along with that. And to find an app for that, go to newpodcastapps.com. But for now, we're going to kick it off with our executive producers for episode number 66. We start right off with Paula, Shot Carla, 20 Ins Blaze, Ona M Paula. $280 from Emily Andrews, the big baller for today's show. She wrote quite a note, but it's a nice one that I'm happy to share with everybody.

1:52:18 Mo and Adam, thank you so much for the work the past two years. Sorry for the long note, but I feel like the background to help you understand where I'm coming from and the impact your conversations has had on me. I believe your podcast single-handedly saved me from menticide, which anything with the word side in it, and we're saving you from it. I'm happy to say that. I've seen this term cropping up, so we need to keep on it. We need to put that in the middle of the day. Yes. In fact, I think I discussed it on No Agenda a few weeks back. Menticide, indeed. She continues: I'm a white woman who grew up in a suburb of the Dallas, Texas area. I can honestly say that growing up, race really wasn't something I noticed, but it wasn't because I didn't learn history.

1:52:58 I learned about slavery starting in the first grade. I learned about Jim Crow and the civil rights movement in the third grade. I lived in a middle-class neighborhood with all colors and religions. Race seemed irrelevant in the modern era, and I didn't even associate it with different. different cultures. People were American unless they told me otherwise. When I went off to college at the University of Texas, I was totally blindsided by the idea that racism was still such an issue for people. I didn't even know stereotape stereotypes like black people are criminals or they like fried chicken or they're bad at school because I wasn't in a culture that demonstrated that or even mentioned it as a thing. And of course, being from the South myself, fried chicken was a staple food and everyone likes fried chicken.

1:53:37 Even more baffling to me was the people who were loudly lambasting the fact that these stereotypes existed would turn around and act like they were reality. Moving to Seattle, Washington, it was even worse. The people complaining about redlining the most would often lament the property value reduction when black people moved into their neighborhood. They would talk about how it was just black culture to not want to excel in schools and not to have fathers in the house, which I knew wasn't true from my experience in the South. They would complain about gentrification and white flight in the same conversation. It was troubling, but I finally came to the conclusion that the cities and the northerners were still suffering from racism and weren't integrated yet.

1:54:18 I wasn't sure why or what to do other than to love the people where they were and help them move to less racist ideology. But my heart finally broke when the George Floyd race riots broke out. It seemed like all the childhood friends I loved dearly saw my skin color before my character. People I treated like my siblings suddenly accused me of being a white supremacist because I was scared to have people rioting outside the hospital while I was there for preterm label with twins at 28 weeks. It seems like the America for my childhood was finally dead and my children would never experience it. A co-worker of mine, I love this note, by the way. This is like this. A co-worker of mine pointed me to your podcast. And honestly, it's been a huge relief to know that my observations about these people aren't just in my head.

1:55:02 I feel like this huge weight has been lifted and I have so much more understanding about what's going on with my black brothers and sisters. Hearing the clips about Malcolm X in particular has opened my eyes about how even what I consider to be a decently accurate historical education may have misframed what was going on. It's given me hope that we can someday come together as Americans. I had a couple of questions. First, what resources would you recommend to learn more about Malcolm X? I've tried to find some of his speeches online, but they really aren't accessible. Are there books that would be good for someone who wants to at least supplement the education of the public school system, if not homeschooled? I was thinking about creating some sort of civil rights curriculum that integrates your work, but I don't want to steal your pancake mix.

1:55:42 So let me know if that's cool. If I were to monetize, I would like to offer 50-50, but I'm sure I'm not sure I want to monetize just yet, since this would be for social good. Mo? The best resource is YouTube. To be honest with you, I mean, people have pieced together all his most of the clips that are remaining. And for a book-wise, I always just stick with the Alex Haley version, even though we know Alex Haley was, I hate to use the word like this, but maybe compromise in a way to tamper down some of Malcolm's rhetoric.

1:56:22 So, yeah, those are two would be my two main sources. Because when you read his clip, when you read his quotes, they don't hit the same way as when you hear them. Oh, I totally agree with that. Yeah. It was funny. The middle school teacher friend of ours was over. And, you know, she's very progressive. And that's cool because we're friends. But I asked her, I said, there was something about, you know, she was all hot and bothered about some trial balloon that has the teachers convinced that this is going to be law against teaching critical race theory and they won't be able to talk about Frederick Douglass.

1:57:05 I mean, seriously. So they've been convinced of this. And I say, and I just in talking to her, I said, how about Malcolm X? You know, what do you think of Malcolm X? She said, yeah, yeah. It's okay. You know, have you ever read any Malcolm X? Yeah, a little bit. I liked him a lot better after he became Nation of Islam because he was so anti-American before that. No, no, I thought she meant was when he left the nation. No, I asked her three times. Really? Yes. Yes. You liked him before. I mean, like, you know who he was. Like, he was Malcolm Detroit Red before he joined the nation. So tell me. Maybe she's once. I don't know. I don't know. Well, I continue. Second, what do you envision a fully healed America to look like?

1:57:47 Is it like the America of the childhood I grew up in? Does it look like something else? Well, for my podcast, I mean, like, where you can talk to people, but you're not obligated to talk to people if you don't want to. I think the forceness of it is ruining. ruining everything. Like, oh, I got to check these boxes, right? I got to make sure I have the right set mixture of friends. And we need, you know, it's gravitate to people that you're comfortable with. I mean, it seemed like your neighborhood was that way. And if I guess, I just, I don't know. I think it's completely the opposite. I think it's a complete illusion that we're so divided. It's all on Twitter.

1:58:32 It's all on television. Go out to the county fair, you know, go to a concert, go to a comedy show, even. I mean, yeah, not everyone likes every single joke, but I think it's it's we have much more, so many more ways of communicating this podcast as an example. I think it's actually a lot more in our heads than we know. And we're just being told it, you know, it's almost like manifesting it. Well, that's the thing. People, I mean, you use the word illusion, and that's another word for magic. Yes. Right. I mean, that was your word, not mine. So the people feel the spell. So we have to figure out how we make the spell null and void. And then we'll get back to where we need to be at.

1:59:14 Third, she asks, a lot for a big baller, but big baller is a big baller. You talk a lot about the gender war. Do you have some suggestions for things women could be doing to support good men? If you need a white woman millennial for the gender bender Mofax, I'm happy to stand in, though perhaps with a pseudonym. The number one thing women can do is support other women. We're fine. I mean, men, we're fine. It's women when they want to speak up for what they like, and men are the ones that shame. So stick up for your sister. Also, is there any way we could get most podcasts set up the same way Podcast 2.0 infrastructure is the No Agenda podcast? I'd love to get some chapters set up of the older episodes.

1:59:59 A number, I don't know how many, at least 10 or 15, have chapters, which Dreb Scott does. Going back is actually something you can do, Emily. If you get the Hyper Catcher app, it's in the App Store, and I think it's only iPhone. Then you can set chapters with images and with comments as suggestions. So you could do that for any older show you'd want to do that for. And you can do it while you're listening. So that would be really cool. And other people can help as well. Anybody can help with that, actually. Yes. Go find Dreb at podcastindex.social.

2:00:41 And to wind it up here for Emily, she says, please give me a D-Deadbeating. Congratulations. You're no longer a deadbeat. And she'd like some good decision-making karma. She's considering quitting her job to become a stay-at-home mom with three young boys. Well, she asked her own question: what she can do for me. There you go. Best thing you can do right there. Here's your karma. Thank you very much. You've got as she ends your sister in Christ. Thank you very much, Emily. Then we have a, I guess it's a make good. And I'll say this. We did not miss you, John. This is on Cash App.

2:01:27 I pulled the spreadsheet every time, and your donations were not on the last spreadsheet for some odd reason. I don't know why. But I mean, like I said, we're still going to bump you up to the top. Jack Dorsey hates you, John. Yeah, this wasn't an omission on our part. So we were very conscious of that last show. Right. So we got two here. We got 65 for episode 65 and 66 as he comes in again for episode 66 today. So we got you there, John. We really appreciate it. Madeline Riley, another executive producer. I love the show. $200 she sent. Found y'all when Adam was on Higher Side Chats. Skipped around and listened to a few episodes, but I'm now starting with the first one and I'm somewhere in the middle.

2:02:09 It's very interesting to go back and listen to the shows that are more about current events, Biden, Chinese virus, et cetera, and compare to what actually happened. Well, sitting on my patio listening to the show, I was trying to decide how much I wanted to donate. I looked up and saw a hummingbird two feet away from me. That has never happened. A few minutes later, I see the largest butterfly I've ever seen as I grab my phone to start the donation process. The time is 111. Crazy. Sorry for the long message. Appreciate your work. Yes, it's called Synchronicity. Thank you very much, Madeline. Messenger Hummingbirds work. I told you, Adam, they would work. I'm doing some jokes with you. I love that.

2:02:51 I think the hummingbird isn't even really even a bird. I think it's an insect. Really? Yeah, I think so. Don't ruin that for me. No, it could be a bird. bird for you. I have tons of them out here. Yeah, we have one here, too. Tina's really happy because she planted this new thing with the pink flowers or purple flowers, and now the hummingbirds are on it. Judy Sigsbey, also $200. Hi, Moe. Really enjoyed your live stream last night. There you go. Look forward to catching more of those as they happen. Your sharing is a beautiful part of this amazing journey I'm on. After years of challenges, I divorced in 2017 after 35 years and have grown so much from all of the change.

2:03:32 God, or whatever we name it, keeps bringing wonderful teachers into my world, and I'm so very grateful. I appreciate your openness and hard work, and this is just a down payment. Best of wishes to you and your sweet family. Isn't that nice? Can I ask people to do one thing? I know people don't watch it on YouTube, but go and comment and like the videos because what it does is it tricks the algorithm to bring more people in. And then we can siphon them off of YouTube. That's the whole point. Yeah, help us siphon it off of YouTube, please. That's exactly what we're trying to do. We're taking them off to Podcasting 2.0. And we got to get them in. I'll get them in the loop first. We're very close to the live streaming podcast app. I'm waiting for it.

2:04:17 I'm waiting. Yeah, there's a lot of smart people a lot smarter than me working on it. Okay, we've got our last executive producer, Brian Maas. $100, addition to the mandate fund. Yes. The mandate fund indeed. Thank you very much. Then Associate Executive Producer Jonathan Peckham 6669 says, Love is lit. Thanks for all you do. Triple goat Woosa Karma. I think we can do that. You've got Mo Karma.

2:05:00 All right, there we go. Christopher Belski, 6633. Hey, Moen, Adam Firsten, overdue dedouching is in order. Well, you know what? What we do here is we deadbeat. So we're going to give you a de-deadbeating. Congratulations. You're no longer a deadbeat. I started listening after Adam mentioned the show during his appearance on the higher side chats in January. Wow, that really worked. Like that show, your deconstruction of the dark forces and symbolism hiding behind the shiny veneer of public figures and events has been invaluable in transforming the way I see this brave new world of ours. Looking forward to enjoying the show on the new schedule. We'll hit some more people in the mouth in order to see it continue to grow.

2:05:45 I see how much work goes into each episode and personally think that it deserves donation segments at least as robust as No Agenda. You're here. Thanks for everything you do. So Mo Jobs and Relationship Karma would be greatly appreciated. We don't have an actual jobs karma. Do we? We don't, but we. But we wish you jobs. We wish you good jobs, karma, with this one. You've got. Mo Karma. That stuff does work, though, and everyone talks about it. Chris Bailey, $66. His note. Thank you, gentlemen. And we thank you, Chris Bailey. A cult fan, Sir Nathan Lee. And I'm going to edit a little bit of his note. He's in this long note. Sir Nathan Lee says, hey, Mo Adam, congratulations on running such an excellent show.

2:06:30 By the way, I have a lot of contact with Sir Nathan. He's a very interesting guy. You want to talk spells? Yeah, if you want to talk spells, he's your man. Your work is part of what will be helping heal our world moving forward. There's an American revolution coming. The astrological work of Molly McCord is worth taking the time to learn from. Find Molly McCord's The upcoming American Revolution playlist on YouTube to learn more. Take notes and take your time. Just listen to what you subscribe? Just listen to what she says. I did from this note. I did. Cool. Just listen to see what she says. If anything, you're not familiar with astrology. But before we go further, for fans of The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings, both heroes Bilbo and Frodo are born in the books, and then the films are born on September 22nd.

2:07:14 This is often when Lieberg begins, which is one of four cardinal points. In this case, the fall equinox. It's also my birthday. So even though it's next Wednesday on a noon show Wednesday, which is Mercury, non-show Wednesday, which is Mercury. There's no such thing as a non-show Wednesday. Hint hint. I hear what you say. That's right. Exactly. There's always a show on some Wednesdays. Okay, Wednesday, which is Mercury. Yes, Mercury, the god of art, commerce, and communication, whose color is orange. I would like a biscuit for my 22nd, I'm 20 September 22 birthday. I'm turning. turning 37. Wusah. And please give a shout out to my man, Joey J.

2:07:59 I'll take some Mo Karma for the LP I'm working on. If I weren't busy enough, I just started my show, Six of Swords. That one's back up. So I want a Wusa, please. GBG onwards. Great work, gentlemen. I'm impressed. And more so, I'm grateful. Sir Nathan Lee. They always give me a biscuit on my birthday. I'll throw in a goat for you, man. Karma. Why not? You've got Mo Karma. 66 from Clay Wilson. Moe, he says, the quality of the show just keeps improving. And 65 was a particularly great episode. Wusahs for everyone. Hopefully, quick question. Have you seen the HBAO series Lovecraft Country?

2:08:41 Have you? I have not. I did not watch it, but now I have to go back and watch it. Well, of course. Tragic loss of Michael Williams. Not to give away the whole plot, but it revolves around an ADOS man in 1950s America who discovers he's the last male line of an ancient magical bloodline. And the efforts and the efforts of two competing Covens, Covens, attempt to sacrifice him to control his power. Beyond broadcasting many of the themes you have alluded to in many episodes, it is genuinely worth a watch and quite entertaining, if not a little distressing. It also features the new, sadly now late Michael K. Williams, aka Mar of the Wire.

2:09:20 If you made it that far, look into what was planned from the showrunners for the now canceled season. Go podcasting. Yes, thank you. Here's a Russa for everybody. Now I'm going to have to watch that too. I got to watch this. I got to watch this 2017 movie from Oprah. You're going to be busy. He's going to be super busy. It's small doses. Telling you. It's small doses because, you know, trauma-based entertainment. Yes. You have to take it in small doses. It can hurt the amygdala. That's true. That's absolutely true.

2:10:03 Edwin Torres, 55. GBG, give blacks guns. I forgot to request deadbeat on my first day notation. And can I have a biscuit for my birthday on 928? You bet. They always give me a biscuit on my birthday. Congratulations. You're no longer a deadbeat. Chris DeHart, associate executive producer, $50. We thank you, Chris. Summer Norris, $50. Mo is the professor I wish I'd had in my African-American lit class, circa late 90s, Washington State University. Fascinating dive into the history of Cosby. I loved it too. It was so good. Ramon Johnson, $50, our final executive associate, associate executive producer for episode number 66 with $50.

2:10:47 And Ramon says, why not be honest with people about pop control? Are we not honest about it? The whole show is about population control. What show were you listening to, Ramon? That's the whole point of everything. I mean, we said that in one of the earlier shows that that's all roads lead to population control. I mean, it's kind of like the maybe we don't talk about it enough, but it's like understood. Yeah, I think it's been a continuing theme throughout everything. Yeah. Right. That's like kind of like people like, why don't you do a show on Oprah? It's like, she, cause she comes up in almost every

2:11:26 episode. By the way, you know that the CNN doctor lady who's, you know, who's always who's now always on saying, oh, you know, make them have vaccine passports and go on airplanes and trains. And you don't have the right. Do you know who she is, Lena Way? No. She was the former, she's the former CEO of Planned Parenthood. Oh, yeah, I did know that. Yeah, I mean, yeah, case in point. I mean, put the eugenesis right out in front with this one. Maybe because we say eugenesis, people don't like link that to population control. Well, just go look at the population bomb. This is, it's the same people.

2:12:07 Some of them are still around today with the climate change hoopla. They've always been, they, being the elites, have always complained about having too many people. Oh, it's going to get out of control. Oh, what are you going to do? And that's the core of the eugenicist. And then we got the Nazis we brought in, apparently, and they're still doing cool experiments. It's a great time to be live. We don't talk about it in name, but this is the whole spirit of what's going on. Pretty much it. Pretty much dead. They want us dead, folks, one way or another. Well, thank you very much to these executive producers and associate executive producers of episode number 66 of Mo Facts with Adam Curry. We'll be thanking some more people in another segment coming up. But right now, let's get back to. to the show.

2:12:53 So, Ramon wanted some population control. So, 30. China tried to ship enough fentanyl into the United States to kill everybody in the U.S. Yeah, I'm in agreement with that. Yeah. Well, sadly, it killed one of our favorite people, Omar. Yeah. Michael K. Williams. And so we have to talk about it because since you're a newly minted wire fan, which I think the wire could have it on, like, what is it called? Cosplay or Comic-Con? Like, you that show is popular enough where you could probably have that. Oh, yeah. Because when people like, everybody say, oh, Omar Omar died.

2:13:34 Omar died. Like, I was like, what? Who? I mean, it registers like, oh, Omar. And it's like, so, yeah, I mean, I immediately knew it because I just fresh from watching. So that's why I was like, oh, man, that's sad. Like, you just, you know, made everybody aware that you had finished the wire last show. And now this. So, well, we got to talk about it. So let's go ahead and get into 31. Well, more now on the breaking news we've been following tonight. The death of actor Michael K. Williams, who was found dead inside his apartment in Brooklyn. And eyewitnesses reporter Lucy Yang is live outside his apartment in Williamsburg now with more Lucy.

2:14:13 Well, David, family, friends, co-stars, and fans are reeling from the death of Michael Kenneth Williams today. We're in Williamsburg in front of the luxury condo where officials confirm the 54-year-old actor was found inside his penthouse apartment by a nephew around two o'clock this afternoon. Officials report there was drug paraphernalia around his body. The ME is on site right now and will determine if this was a drug overdose. His body has not yet been removed from his apartment. The Brooklyn-born actor grew up in NYCHA housing in East Flatbush.

2:14:50 He went on to win critical acclaim for his many roles, including for his portrayal of Omar Little in the HBO hit series, The Wire, a gritty show set in the drug-dealing underworld of New York City. It may have been a little too close to reality if drugs did play a role in the actor's death. HBO just a few minutes ago released a statement mourning the loss of their HBO family member of more than 20 years. Michael K. Williams was 54 years old. New York City. Yeah. Get a rope. No, she said it with the wire. It was based in New York City. Oh, she said that? Oh, crap. Oh, what an idiot.

2:15:34 Baltimore. One job. One job. Get the obituary right, lady. That's the only reason I use this clip. I'm like, what? How did you get that wrong? Because she was confused with Brooklyn and all that. I know, but just still. That's how they get everything wrong. It's always wrong. You know, I just want to speak to general observation. General macro observation. With the knowledge that the CIA most likely has always been running the drugs out of Afghanistan, the poppies, or process or not, whatever. See Denzel Washington, an American gangster. True story. Right.

2:16:18 Afghanistan, that whole thing blew up and we pulled out. And the next day, we've got people dying from fentanyl. Or at least the stories are showing up in the news. Yeah, and I mean, they've been dying since 2016. I know, but they've designed from fentanyl, not from heroin. And it just, it's like it ratcheted up. It's like, whoa, did the CIA supply really truly get shut off? Do they have no way to bring it in anymore? And therefore, it's all fentanyl. I mean, or is it, as Alex says, it's truly an attack. The Chinese, this probably are still pissed off over the opium wars, even though that was the Brits, but okay.

2:16:59 Well, we had to back up a little bit because we talked about playing opalescence, right? That you have to send it. Like with heroin, it takes so long. You know what I'm saying? I mean, and I say that like so morbidly, but the elites look like, we got to wait for him to die. Yeah, like Skid Row. Like Skid Row. That's where you see it. Right. It's like, we don't want that. You know, we need some hardcore something, one-hitter that's going to kill him and something that we can put into every drug. Because just from my research, Michael K. Williams' drug that he struggled with was cocaine, not heroin. And they said drug paraphernalia. So that makes you think like he had stems and not excuse me, spoons and spikes.

2:17:44 and a belt and those kind of things all around him, right? So he never all the clips I've looked through, he never mentioned anything about using heroin. Yes, this is a known, a known fact that this is now popping up in cocaine, in particular in Brooklyn and weed in weed, yes. Okay, now you have my attention. No, I'm serious. I'm serious. Like, it's, I actually posted it on my um on my Twitter page that it's, I mean, like with anything, they sprinkle anything on weed, right? They were doing the same thing with uh, like LSD, not SD, but um, PCP.

2:18:26 Um, you know, for a while, they were doing that and they were doing uh embalming fluid for a rot. Well, I mean, if you got trash weed and you got to move it, why not, you know, sprinkle something on it? And this is why I brought this story up. And we're not, you're saying fentanyl, yeah, carfentanol. Are you aware of that? No, it's carfentanol. It's like the it's like the it's like I think maybe 100 times stronger than fentanyl. Oh, it's like the methane of natural gas, right?

2:19:05 Jeez, this stuff is taking people out. I mean, like, no, I know, I know, I know, you know, I even uh uh sent a message to my stepdaughter. She's in New York, you know, she's 24. I said, Hey, just don't be an idiot, right? Because you don't know what you're, and that's the thing about it. It's not like before. I mean, like, they're pressing up pills, and it's what I think happened is even if you cut it, it's so such a small dose that you can't separate. I'm not saying, like, if you get like a little clump, just think about it, like with seasoning your food. If you're saying like, you get a little clump of like a strong seasoning when you bite into one bite, you're dead. Oh, no, I know there's been cops who've just been around it and they and they almost die, right?

2:19:50 And so, I think with him, when they said drug paraphernalia, I don't think, like I said, I never everything he talked about was cocaine. So, what's really going on here? But as we talked about before, I think they're cleaning up the streets. I mean, this is the way it's crazy, and especially if you're thinking about it with how Baltimore you need to get the people. And the sad thing about it is the addicts are going to chase it. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. If they make it through it, they'll want it. Yeah, I mean, somebody died, and like that was the one of the running things on wire, right?

2:20:31 When somebody had a good package, somebody died overdose. All the rest of the addicts were looking for that package. Yeah, I'm just looking at some news stories here. It's been going on for about a year and a half or two years, it looks like. What's that? Carfentanol? It just says fentanyl just under search. That's what I'm saying. Like, I think this misnomer, I don't know why they're not using the proper term for it because they're two totally different substances. And it's called everybody, just yeah, I didn't know that carfentanol. I think it's nothing had the T in it, though.

2:21:07 It's like carfentanyl without the T. Okay, I'll still look into it. But yeah, it's like 10 or 100 times stronger than fentanyl, which is bad enough in itself. Yeah, I mean, like, so what are we doing here? And, like, um, yeah, so I want to get into it's a backstory here with uh Michael K. Williams that no, supersedes his uh like drug use. Um, let's get into where we're at. Let's get into 32, and this is Michael K. Williams death leaves Painful Void. How many times have you been arrested as an adult, Mr. Little? Shoot, I don't lost count.

2:21:49 She was a tour de force on screen. Hey, look, I never put my gun on those citizens. You are a moral, you are a parasite who leeches off just like you culture of drugs. Excuse me. I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. So on the game, though, right? Known for playing what many would go on to call the greatest character on television ever. Omar Little from The Wire. Man got to have a code. Michael K. Williams, the beloved actor and performer from East Flatbush, Brooklyn, was found dead in his New York apartment on Monday afternoon.

2:22:30 A family member discovered Williams dead. Drug paraphernalia was found in the home while the cause of his death is still unknown. The NYPD is investigating it as a possible drug. drug overdose. It's one of those things where you never expect someone who seems to be at the prime of their career to succumb to something like this. Williams, electrifying audiences with rousing and chilling performances as Chalky White in the period gangster series Boardwalk Empire. These here, my daddy tunes. What are you gonna do with them? Well, I ain't building no bookcase. Inmate Freddie Knight in the night of, and most recently, as Montrose Freeman, the complicated closeted father in Lovecraft Country.

2:23:19 One of my favorite roles of his was the Boardwalk Empire, Boardwalk Empire with everybody talks about it. I mean, of course, because that was his breakout, but that was a great show. And he had a very interesting role that he played in that period piece. So this is just a backdrop. Once again, you hear drug paraphernalia. I don't know what they're doing with that. I mean, like, I mean, why are they stressing the paraphernalia thing? What it does in my mind, it just paints the picture of like, they're trying to say it's like a heroin overdose because

2:23:59 that's just what my mind is. That's certainly what you think about. Yeah. Right. So I'm just, that's, that's what I'm saying with that. But so they're going to go on and speak more in part two about his addiction and his accolades. But it was that distinctive scar on his face that changed the trajectory of his entire career. You're not nearly as scary as I thought you were going to be. The actor telling Dan Harris in 2008 how he got it. You know, 25 years old, ballroom ball, drinking and drugging, you know, out of my mind. It became this distinctive, defining characteristic of him that sort of helped him create this balance between edge and tenderness and, you know, this hardened past, but a hope for a warmer future.

2:24:44 And I will put a bullet in all y'all behind what happened right now. You heard? But it was his nuanced role as Omar Little in the wire, a black, openly gay hustler that was unheard of in Hollywood, which cemented Williams' star power. As you told me, I'd be successful for playing an openly gay thug on television. I couldn't have seen this coming in a million years. Up until that point, so many people had never seen a black gay man on TV. And when they had seen them, it was in the guise of flamboyants and fightiness.

2:25:19 But Omar Little, you know, on top of being this really, you know, sort of fascinating anti-hero, his sexuality became a part of his identity that couldn't be ignored. His portrayal of Little was so iconic. It garnered the attention of President Barack Obama. Omar's, by the way, my favorite character. What did you think when you heard Barack Obama said you were his favorite character? You know, my first reaction about that was based on my mother to see the proudness of her face and to see how her eyes lit up made my day. So you're going to hear like this Obama theme. Just listen for it. But I have to disagree with the gentleman's analysis that the gayness was a like a standout part of his character, which it wasn't

2:26:14 in a way it was because it was shocking at the time, but they didn't make his character about being gay, right? I mean, it was just normal. No more than any of the other characters who were making out with women in the show. It was not central to the, it might have been, it wasn't even central to the plot where there were some other things going on, you know, with the kid who was in jail. And then, you know, the guy goes there and hooks up with his wife. So, I mean, that's, that's the thing. Like, it's, I saw that they were trying to rightfully so paint him as a gay rights activist in a way. I mean, when they were covering his death. Oh, really? I thought that good actor. That's all I saw.

2:26:59 I mean, that's what I saw too. But I mean, even when they brought him back around in, what was it called? The one that we were suggested to watch. The Lovecraft, he had to go back to playing a closeted gay character. So I just found it interesting that they took that angle because that's what made The Wire so great. And in my opinion, the greatest television show ever because everybody was humanized. It was real. Yeah, it was like, okay, I know a person like that. Or, you know, that's believable. It wasn't just like shooting guns. guns sideways and you know, all the stereotypical things that come along with not only being black, but being gay, right?

2:27:42 Um, right, he was a man at the end of the day, um, which you like he said, not my words, his words, like you only saw black men as being flaming. Um, and this is the first um representation in that we saw like this. So, um, so now we get to go to your favorite guy, uh, uh, Ari. You know, you're supposed to say your buddy, your buddy Ari. He's your buddy Ari. He's a pile of the pod. Yeah. Yeah. And he talks to uh Michael about his role on the wire. I got to say, Omar's a great character. You know, I mean, I don't, that's not an

2:28:25 endorsement. He can make a national news, exactly. That is not, that is not an endorsement. He is not my favorite person. But he's a fascinating character. All right. So, and there's a real life. It's a real life story. A gay gangster who only robs drug dealers and then gives back any sort of robber. What do you think about playing a character that made such an impression on Barack Obama? It was an eye-opening experience. For me, the impact it had on me was to say I was humbled was an understatement. But I wasn't living my best life when that happened. Really? What do you mean? I was caught up in my own personal whirlwind. You know,

2:29:10 the why was my breakout role. I didn't handle my wasn't handling my finances or that stardom very well. You know, people calling me Omar was having an effect on my psyche. You know, I wasn't using my platform the way I believe I'm beginning to do today to help further my community. You know, when President Obama called me out, I basically had no knowledge of anything that was going on. I was one of those people that pretty much went to sleep when we elected him into office and I stopped caring. Thanks, Obama. So, interesting.

2:29:50 It's this thing like, and now you would do it. I know, I just wanted as a quick aside. When black people have any contact with Obama, it's like, so your Obama moment. How was it? What do you mean, how was it? I mean, it was all right. And the fact that Obama didn't recognize Michael K. Williams, he recognized his character, but Ari's like, how does it feel for Obama to recognize you? Like, seriously, tell me, Gush. It's like, okay. I mean, like, it's just this weird thing. You heard it. You heard it before, right? The same thing with Obama likes you. That's like the stamp of approval or something.

2:30:35 And I just found that you've been blessed. You've been touched by his holiness. Right. It's kind of like what Oprah would say something about your product, right? And then everybody will run out and buy it. It's kind of the same thing, but that didn't last long. But I just found that weird today with they constantly did this in clips of like, hey, talk about Obama. Talk about Obama. I'm here to talk about my show or whatever. He was there to talk about juvenile justice, and he had gotten involved in, I don't want to say politics. Politics, he was trying to get people to vote, but that was like their thing. Like, Omar, Omar can reach him. Oh, of course. I mean, Ari Melbourne is a political operative.

2:31:20 Correct. So that's why they bring up, you know, it's talking about Ari's boss. That's really what's going on. Yeah, by any means necessary that Ari, he'll try to get you to a certain point. But if we're going to talk wire, we got to talk wire. So this is just, since we talked about Baltimore in the last segment, I thought we had to tie Baltimore in with this because Baltimore was a character itself in the show, The Wire, right? I mean, the city itself is a character. So this is probably one of the best supporting actors or supporting characters for the size of role he had in any television show was Clay Davis.

2:32:02 Damn, y'all not wasting any time, huh? And Naurish was good enough to let us stage in the council's weekly inaugurations. No doubt after you'll find Sean in the general. No doubt. 81%. 82. In a city where Democrats have number Republicans 9 to 1. Anything less would have been an embarrassment. So, what can we do for you, Senator? Well, first of all, I want. wanted to clear the air. If there are any hard feelings over what happened during the primary, you're going to give the money back. Senator, it's been a very long day. I'll cut to the chase.

2:32:47 I understand you have a problem at the top of the police department. You asked Burrell to resign. He declined. I'm looking for a replacement. The ministers like Burrell. So does the council president. We're confident that when we identify a suitable candidate, Miss Campbell and the ministers will see the wisdom of new leadership. Except, y'all need to get a pay raise through the city council. Pay raise would help. I can ask Narisse about that pay raise getting passed. Maybe convince some of the ministers they need to move on from Barrell. The situation would have to be resolved sooner rather than later.

2:33:32 Do my best, partner. And what do we do for you in return? I'm in Annapolis. Word, I'm hearing you may be there too in a couple of years. We may find ourselves working together closely. Thanks for your time. Jesus Christ. He's slick. Apologizes for the short con, and in the next breath, setting us up for the law. He and Morella stick as thieves. And do we know what the long con is? At least we know he's running one. She

2:34:18 yeah. So one of the greatest catchphrases from a television show as well. But this clip just like embody what the wire was about. The ministers and the politicians and the streets and how they all interconnected in this little old Baltimore. To be a major city is small. But that was the greatness of the show. But I have this clip that I found when I was doing the Henrietta Lack segment from Antario Patella on actually how Baltimore worked in this way. I wanted to, one of the other really fascinating things in your book, you talk about the history of policing in Baltimore.

2:35:01 And you told me before the interview that you sort of see some parallels today. We might be under a new age of surveillance if it's not already started today. And I think one of the most fascinating things in your book, you talk about how the Baltimore chapter of the Black Panther Party was actually started as part of a COINTELPRO operation, which is run by the FBI to sort of infiltrate the national chapter, which was based in Chicago and in Oakland. Right.

2:35:36 And so what happened was that an Army veteran who had joined the National Security Agency, which had built a new headquarters near Baltimore, was sent here to create a Black Panther Party in Baltimore. But the interesting thing about that kind of surveillance was that what I just talked about was an FBI operation. What also happened at the same time was that there was a very significant penetration of the activist scene in Baltimore by the Baltimore City Police Department. And this also had some political implications because a crucial election came in Baltimore in 1971, mayoral election.

2:36:22 And so what the police department did, it penetrated the campaigns of William Donald Schaefer's two black opponents and then fed all that surveillance information to his campaign. And at the same time, the police department also had under surveillance many of the aspiring black office seekers. I always thought the wire was a documentary. It's not sick. They dropped so many truth bombs. That's just insane, isn't it? Especially with the surveillance. That's why I put that in there. Yeah. The wire got prepared for. It was like just to be always be on camera.

2:37:05 I mean, they lived their lives under 24-hour surveillance. And they actually had this story come out of Baltimore how they were using drones to surveil Baltimore. So it's crazy, right, that they use the black. Panther Party. They use the COINTEL BALTION. Yeah. Which makes you look at the Baltimore Riots differently. When I heard that, I was like, hmm. Oh, it's who knows? Who knows? Again, we're living in a simulation. Totally. I mean, stuff is really happening, but it's not exactly what you think it is.

2:37:44 I thought that was too good to leave him to click on. That's great. Of course, I had to bring that in. Appreciate it. But now we get, because it's pertinent. But can you do me one favor and go search by the next clip on YouTube? Search by that title. And you're going to see, get a, I forgot to send you the screenshot, but I want you to see the picture of Michael K. Williams and what the pictures is in the chair on the left-hand side of him. You can do it while we're playing this next clip, but if you could. I appreciate it. Bodybrokers, quite frankly, made me sick to my stomach when I was ignorant to the narrative and the subject of what this movie was addressing.

2:38:30 And I remember personally, you know, one of those many nights when I was crying myself to sleep listening to BB and CC1 is I would see these commercials about the, you know, these elaborate, beautiful recovery centers. You know, mostly, most of them was in Malibu. And I would say, man, if I could get there, maybe I could just get my life together. And to think that that was never really the, that was never the intent. Yeah. And that's what the movie explores is, you know, we talk about the amount of profit that people make selling drugs, but there is money also in the rehab process as well, where people exploit folks trying to get help.

2:39:11 You have this pivotal moment that happened in your life that involved then Senator Barack Obama on the campaign trail was 2008. And that's actually when I just interviewed him and met him as well. I'm living in Chicago and he's got this book and it's Audacity of Hope and all these things. And you said that I just didn't feel worthy of meeting this man. You're in the room. You're there for a reason, but you didn't feel worthy. Why? The impact of my ignorance, actually. And, you know, I was like, well, how does the future president of Free World, you know, see me? What makes him watch the wire? And more importantly, how come I don't know who he is?

2:39:52 How come I don't know what he's about? Whoa. I told you. I thought who Obama was prior to 2007, 2008. I was just talking about that at dinner. I said, you know, one-term senator. We don't have any of his records. We can't find anyone who actually attended a class that he taught constitutional law. I mean, everything's been locked up. We don't know anything about that guy. So did you see the picture in the picture? Are you talking about the picture of him with the Kings County, New York t-shirt?

2:40:34 No, it's a well, look over to the left-hand side when he's in frame. It's a picture on the chair to his left-hand side. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like a dude, like a, what can I see here? Yeah, go ahead and zoom it in. Go ahead. Enhance, rotate. Zoom. Okay. I'm at max zoom. Is that Obama kissing him? Oh, no, that's not what I'm seeing. Hold on. This must be something else. Hold on a second. So it's in. We don't want to belabor the point, but are you kidding me? Listen, if Omar is kissing Barack, I got this is worth stopping the whole damn show for. Hold on a second. Oh, I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. Hold on.

2:41:17 What? No, that's not Barack. You sure? I couldn't make it out. That's why I didn't ask the question. Why would you have that picture sitting on the chair? And the signature looks like. Yeah, this signature does look a little bit like. You know what? I can't zoom in enough now, but that is definitely going to the lab. And I'm going to put this in the show notes. Everyone's got, ah, yeah. It is. It's just laying there on the chair like it's, he did it on purpose. Right. Well, that would be a weird picture of anybody else to have in the frame. It's like, hey, you got me, you got me. Oh, by Barry Or Mirabelia?

2:42:01 He's like, sure, I got this picture. Wow. That's crazy. I know people are asking me, why Barry O, why are you stressing Barack Obama with him, right? Well, he had this movie called Body Brokers. And in the movie, it covers the. loopholes created in the rehab system with the ACA, also known as the Obamacare. Oh, the Affordable Care Act. Yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah. So you interested? You want to get straight? Yes. Yes. Stop teasing. I'm going to let you in on a little secret.

2:42:45 In 2008, when the Affordable Care Act was signed, it required every healthcare provider to cover substance abuse treatment. That's right. Since the bill was passed, nearly 2,000 sober livings, 100 inpatient treatment centers, and 200 detoxes have opened up shop. Just in Southern California alone. Yeah. Business is fucking booming. That's nearly 35,000 beds that need to be filled each month and almost half a million that need to be filled a year. Off the top of my head, that's somewhere around $12 billion annually. And again, that's just in Southern California. This is what we in the treatment industry called the fucking gold rush.

2:43:28 Yellow gold. You probably wouldn't believe it, but the piss in this cup is worth more than an ounce of white truffle, a Luga caviar, platinum, gold, or even rhino horn. Nice color. Each cup of piss pays $2,000, and each client can test up to five times a week. Do the math. That's $10,000 a fucking week off piss. There are three phases of treatment. Detox. We generally bill $4,000 a day, with the typical stay being between 7 and 10 days. Next phase was residential. The average stay is 60 days at $2,000 a day.

2:44:08 Lastly, is outpatient. We bill $2,500 a day for this. So, based on a 90-day program, detox, residential, intensive outpatient, and UAs, that's 300,000 per person per 90 days. And somewhere like New West has 60 beds. That's 18 million billed every quarter. And wait for it. 72 million billed a year. You fucking heard me. 72 million. So not only do I remember that, I actually remember the whole controversy about that. And everyone's like, what is going on here? Is this printing money?

2:44:50 It was in the first year or so, too. It was really quick right off the bat, this first term. Where else is testing being big now? Coronavirus. Every employee has to be tested once a week. Uh-huh. Same damn scam. Well, you also know who recently bought a testing company. I would guess Bill Gates. George Soros. Yes. Actually, together, the two of them together bought that. The testing is worth more because it's... No, no, no. We don't want you to take the vax. That's a one-time thing. No, no, no, no. So I had to travel to Europe to see my daughter.

2:45:30 And because of the three-day rule, 72 hours, and I was worried. I did one on Saturday, one on Sunday. And I had to drive to Kerrville. It's like a piece of crap town to the CVS. First of all, the test was drive-through. So you drive up, give me your insurance card. And you have to understand, I have High Oscar is the name of my insurance. It's disaster insurance because I'm just not going to throw money away. So I have like an $8,000 deductible. So I give her that. And she gives me the bags. Okay, here, just go ahead and park in the parking lot, swab your nose, and drive through again and drop it off. So the first thing is like, wow, okay.

2:46:13 So this is for a document that is supposedly going to allow me to enter into the European Union and I can just stick it under my armpit and throw it into the test tube. Okay. Today or yesterday, I got the receipts for the insurance. Both were paid in full. And you know who's paying it? You know who's paying it. It's not CVS. Every employer has to have one test per employee a week. Oh, yeah. No, I've done the numbers. The president said, oh, we got 80 billion tests. Yeah, that'll last America about three weeks.

2:46:56 Right. We're not impressed with your 80 million tests. So we saw this. We saw this done before. I mean, he called it yellow gold. Liquid gold. Yeah. Oh, no. Oh, and these are agendas. The vax pressure to roll out is more the pharmaceutical industry than the. than government, believe it or not. It all works together the same way with this case. Like, hey, let's get the addicts. And the thing was, they would tell the, you know, and I use that word, you know, respectfully, addict, but they would tell on recovering addicts, oh, you got to come in dirty for the scam to work. Yeah. Wow. Encouraging them to go back. And I will be doing a deeper dive on this.

2:47:38 But I just wanted to bring that up. But since we're talking now, since this is an AJ type of show, 39. The FBI calls people running these businesses, quote, body brokers, people who traffic body parts and tissue from dead people. Now, this is a search warrant for the Biological Resource Center of Illinois, but in these pages, it spells out details of what investigators say they found here in Arizona. The FBI says at least 20 bodies donated to Biological Resource Center and sold to another body supplier had infectious diseases, things like hepatitis B and C, MRSA, meningitis, sepsis, even HIV.

2:48:15 Those remains were sent to surgical training workshops where workers told investigators they never would have used infected body parts had they known. We talked to a woman who said she had planned to donate to BRC, even though she had cancer and was part of a hepatitis outbreak as a kid. She was shocked to hear they might be passing off diseased parts as healthy. I don't want to make anybody sick. Can't imagine it being true. But I'm not naive. People will make a dollar anyway they can. Okay, so she knows, but Elizabeth, did the donors and their families know what these remains would be used for? According to the Warren Stephanie, the families were told their donations would not be sold, but investigators say they discovered body parts were sold at times for thousands of dollars.

2:48:58 You know, a lot of this is really unbelievable. What's legal? What isn't legal? Well, it might shock you, but it isn't illegal to traffic in bodies, organs, and tissues of dead people. It crosses the line, though, when those donation centers say they have the donors' permission to use the remains in a way that they do not. Sound familiar? Yes, it does. It does. It does. Is Johns Hawkins a body broker? By definition? Oh, totally. And I'm just going to throw Planned Parenthood back out there again. Just throw all that shit in there. Oh, my goodness. That's crazy. Well, we don't broker in bodies over here. We can make our money the hard way.

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2:55:12 We have a well, we have well water. And I've had this plant, it's called the money plant. My agent 12 years ago gave it to me when I said, he was still my agent. It's a guilt plant, Adam. You'll love it. So I've kept this thing with me for 12 years. It's been through a full marriage. It's been on the road with me, touring in the Airstream. And I've always taken care of it. I love it. It's called the name is Plant. Plants Around. Plant is in a similar situation, but now is being fed with the well water. Holy crap. This thing's on fire now, telling me the city water is crap.

2:55:55 So this is one of those memes. You know what I'm saying? This is a classic. This is the classic AJ. This is a classic AJ, but there's some truth behind it. So we got to find it. So we got to talk about Tyrone Hayes and him being targeted by the herbicide firm. Yes, now we turn to the story of a University of California scientist who discovered that a popular herbicide may have harmful effects on the endocrine system. Tyrone Hayes was first hired in 1997 by a company that later became agribusiness giant Syngenta.

2:56:31 They asked him to study their product, Atrazine, a pesticide that is applied to more than half the corn crops in the United States and widely used on golf courses and Christmas tree farms. But after Hayes found results that the manufacturer did not expect, that atrazine causes sexual abnormalities in frogs and could cause the same problems for humans, Syngenta refused to allow him to publish his work. This was the start of an epic feud between the scientist and the corporation. Now a new article in the New Yorker magazine uses court dominant. documents from a class action lawsuit against Syngenta to show how it sought to prevent the Environmental Protection Agency from banning the profitable chemical, which is already banned by the European Union.

2:57:16 To start with, the company's public relations team drafted a list of four goals. Reporter Rachel Aviv writes: The first was: discredit Hayes. In a spiral-bound notebook, Syngenta's communications manager Sherry Ford, who referred to Hayes by his initials, wrote that the company could prevent citing of TH data by revealing him as non-credible. He was a frequent topic of conversation at company meetings. Syngenta looked for ways to exploit Hayes' faults and problems. If TH involved in scandal and viros, we'll drop him. Ford wrote. Yep, the good old Atrazine followed it for quite a while. Did you follow Tyrone Hayes?

2:57:57 Not at all. Didn't never, never, of course. I mean, of course, Nate Tyrone. Well, no, I didn't mean it that way. I know you did. That's funny. Of course, man, ignore that guy. No, never, never. But, you know, we've talked about atrazine on no agenda for several years. But he was silenced. Of course, he was. Holy crap. I thought you had to trust the science. No, not when there's money involved. That's my point. Here's a black man telling people that the frogs are gay, and they silenced him. Oh, man. You want to hear more about Tyrone? Yes, yes.

2:58:41 You might as well stop teasing. It's not fun when you do that. Yes, you know I go. You know I do. 42. Well, here at Berkeley, I was a new assistant professor. I was already studying the effects of hormones and the effects of chemicals that interfere with hormones on amphibian development. And I was approached by the manufacturer and asked to study the effects of atrazine, the herbicide, on frogs. And after I discovered that it interfered with male development and caused males to turn into females to develop eggs, the company tried to prevent me from publishing and from discussing that work with other scientists outside of their panel. Well, initially, we found that the larynx of the voice box in exposed males didn't grow properly.

2:59:25 And this was an indication that the male hormone testosterone was not being produced at appropriate levels. And eventually we found that not only were these males demasculized or chemically castrated, but they also were starting to develop ovaries or starting to develop eggs. And eventually we discovered that these males didn't breed properly, that some of the males actually completely turned into females. So we had genetic males that were laying eggs and reproducing as females. And now we're starting to show that some of these males actually show, I guess, what we call homosexual behavior. They actually prefer to mate with other males. So one of the most disheartening things in this whole process is that many of my critics, you know, it's one to be academic if you come and say, well, we interpreted the data this way and we want to argue about this point, but these people really didn't even have an opinion.

3:00:15 These opinions were written by the manufacturer and they were paid to put their names on them to endorse the opinions of the manufacturer. So, you know, that's one of the most disheartening things that they were really just personalities for sale. Yeah, it is. Personalities for sale. Yeah. Personalities for sale. What is their goal here? You know, I mean, like, you have this black scientist from the University of California, Berkeley, accredited, did the work, had the scientific proof, and they set out to destroy him because they didn't like his narrative and he wouldn't play ball.

3:00:57 Well, so I don't think that they this was purely profit-driven. I'm going to initially presume after all, it was a, you know, it was about frogs. It was an amphibious study, and they just don't want any negative, any negative noise. And so I don't think it was to kill to turn children gay, turn young boys gay. But believe me, believe me, I got to look at all these angles. Right, but what I'm saying is even his blackness.

3:01:37 And if you look at Tyrone, I mean, he showed up in like a lavender and blad, black plaid jacket. And he, you know, he seemed somewhat effeminate. I'm not making any assumptions about him, but it's like, just say if he was, you know, gay, gay and black couldn't even protect him from being harassed and silenced. Right, right. When it comes to the green, it doesn't matter. I don't mean the frogs, folks. When it comes to the green, nobody's safe. You have to push the agenda. That's the point I'm trying to push with this segment: that it doesn't matter about the science. Yeah, I see what you're saying. He's a sharp dresser. He's a very sharp dresser.

3:02:19 And like I said, it gives him even more credibility in my book to come out and say, oh, no, wait, Hayes lives in California with his wife, Kathy Kim, and their two children. Okay. Doesn't mean he's doesn't mean he's not gay. You don't mean nothing. Right. I mean, but if it, what I'm saying is the fact that on this woke campus, he should be railroaded as a black person, which, you know, all the people. Okay, yeah, yeah. The Berkeley thing, the Berkeley part is makes it very annoying. I got you. Very annoying. But I will say this: Welcome to the bottom. The reason why I did this segment is that we've seen a man pregnant.

3:03:03 Don't mention his name, please. Don't feed the troll. Please don't feed the troll, folks. We've seen a pregnant black man take over the headlines. And I think, well, let's get, let's go ahead and play 43 and I'll tell you what I think on the back side of it. Two months later, I was pregnant again, so I went back to her. At 16 weeks, I went for an ultrasound at the clinic and saw a different doctor who was working that day. I found out again, I was in preterm labor. The doctor told me that the baby was going to abort. I said, no, you have to do something. But he was adamant and he said, just go home. Let it abort. You can get pregnant again because that's what you people do. My sister Kelly was with me.

3:03:45 We didn't know what to do after the doctor left. So we saw a chair sitting in the hallway. My sister picked up the chair and she threw it down the hallway. Nurses came running from everywhere to see what was wrong. A nurse called my doctor and she put me on a stretcher. The next morning, my doctor came in and placed the surclage on my uterus and I was able to carry my baby. My daughter, my angel, who is now 20 years old. My son, who was saved, is now 21 years old. This is what desperation looks like, that chair flying down a hallway. This is what being your own advocate looks like. Every day, black women are subjected to harsh and racist treatment during pregnancy and childbirth. Every day, black women die because the system denies our humanity. It denies us patient care.

3:04:29 I sit before you today as a single mom, as a nurse, as an activist, and as a congresswoman. And I am committed to doing the absolute most to protect black mothers, to protect black babies, to protect black birthing people, and to save lives. Yeah. What I think they're doing is politically, I'm not talking about people socially or whatever. They tie these terms like black birthing people in with a very everything she said up to that point is a very serious concern because we heard of the mortality rates and uh of women and poor concerns yeah which feeds back into what we talked about with uh johns hopkins and the care that they

3:05:15 get in in poor hospitals or hospitals uh that they well let me say it like this not poor hot it's definitely not a poor hospital but the two-tiered medical system for poor people and that's a very serious topic and then you throw black birthing people in there it's like birthing people like huh like i mean like i said i'm whatever whatever you do you do but it kind of discredits and this derails a serious topic and and is that by strategy i don't know i mean i don't know why they're trying to lump gay in with black and make it synonymous

3:05:57 uh i find it very troubling i find it very troubling that it's forced kind of like black and brown it's the same it's the same thing for sure it's um well they're doing all this now because everyone's amygdala is so out of whack that we're i mean everybody is in constant fight or flight mode you know so that's when you're so susceptible and i think these terms slip in a boom it's cemented forever but why they're doing this particular block i mean hmm it's it's it's block building it's political blockchain yeah it's pure it's purely political yeah i agree that's that's all that it is

3:06:38 but it could be deeper but i'll show you another example of it let's just go through this right quick this is uh cannis owens with mark lamont hill so so to acknowledge a social construct does not mean that we ignore biology and it doesn't it doesn't mean that we don't have can men get pregnant okay It depends. I know, I know. What does it depend on? I know trans men that can get pregnant. That means it's a woman. Only one sex. That's a circular argument. It's proving my thing. There is a truth, a concrete truth. You have to be born with a uterus to have a baby. Only women can get pregnant. The fact that we've arrived in a society. That's the part of disagreement. There's nothing to disagree with. These are facts. So you can say that this person who is pregnant identifies as a man. That person was born a woman.

3:07:20 I can tell you that every single time because only women can have sex, because there are concrete truths about life, I mean, can have babies, pardon, and that that is a hard truth about life. You cannot make that go away because you want to call a man, somebody who has a beard and dresses like a dude a woman. Only if it's pregnant, I'll tell you exactly what it is. It's a woman. That kind of thing. But I think this is what we talked about before. This is magic. This is a magic spell. Oh, thank you. Thank you for saying that. Before you continue, ever since you've turned me, and which, of course, is bidden from show one. You've turned me on to the spell. And I was reading about spells the other day in the context, actually, in the context of

3:08:02 how the church used to work before the Gutenberg press, before people could read the Bible themselves. And, you know, the idea of a spell is literally because of the words. You're spelling out words. It is just words. Spelling. Spelling. Actual spell is just. And when you say black birthing person, I hear that as a spell now. The same thing with men can have babies. It's like it does something to the brain that you can hear Candace. Oh, which is she's usually cool as a cucumber, but you can see she was getting worked up over it. She's a pretty new mom herself, so she's kind of pissed off about that. Right.

3:08:44 But like I said, even if it's not even a point to argue, I mean, that's my thing, but they use it as a trigger or nudge to bring you into the conversation of what are we doing here? I mean, like, seriously, what are we discussing? I mean, we have a serious topic that Corey Bush covered for almost a minute and a half. And then you, and she even stumbled on the words at the very end. Yeah. So, and then this is a Ben Shapiro clip of transgender parents tries to breastfeed child. This is being championed. These are civil rights heroes.

3:09:25 There's a man who's sticking his nipple in the mouth of a child, in the mouth of a small baby, in a bizarre attempt to nourish the baby with literally nothing. And you're a bigot if you disagree. You're the authoritarian for suggesting there is a problem here. There is apparently a series that is called Nine Months with Courtney Cox. It's a docu series about various couples having children. This went viral yesterday. It is a video from apparently season three, episode eight of nine months with Courtney Cox. And it features a transgender man, meaning a biological woman, who pushed is a biological woman who had a baby.

3:10:05 There's not a man who had a baby because that's not possible. There's a biological woman who used her uterus to create a baby and then pushed the baby out through her vagina because she's a biological woman once more. And no amount of testosterone that produces facial hair or growing the hair out or mastectomies changes the fact that this is a biological woman as evidenced by the fact that biological men cannot give birth. Hey, by the way, you're a bigot if you disagree. Not only are you a bigot, if you bring up your children to disagree, the left will sick the authoritarian regime on you. I mean, this is the way this is going to go over the next few years. You watch. Hey, here is the bizarre new world we have created for ourselves, the counter-reality new world we have created for ourselves. But it doesn't matter so long as these people feel better about themselves. Sure, the baby's going to starve to death.

3:10:49 But at least the delusional parents feel better about themselves. The reason why I bring all this up is I saw everybody's hair catching on fire with the one that won't be named walking around as a pregnant man. We have to stop feeding into things that we see things. It's like you're seeing this to trigger you. Don't stop and watch the magic show. You see what I'm saying? Like keep it moving because that's what they want to do is drag you in into a conversation that's only going to leave you perplexed.

3:11:33 And it's going to leave you perplexed because if you don't agree, you're immediately shamed. That's why you need to stay away from that. Right. And if you do agree, it's like, well, you'll never agree. And that's the whole point. It's to leave you in a perpetual state of frustration. And it's how. how they break your wheel. Not even saying it's people's choice. This is America. You can do whatever you want to do with long aside the letter of the law. I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is stop being so triggered by what you see because that's the desired effect. That's why I won't mention this character's name because that's what he wants from you. He wants to trigger you to say, ah, did you see the VMAs? Did you see? You know, it's like, you know, you see what it's like.

3:12:16 I'm saying this is a public service announcement. Keep it moving, folks. Just keep it moving. Cofax says, keep it moving, folks. Keep it moving. Because you have to. We have to. If not, you're going to get sucked into a circular argument. It's only going to leave you frustrated. And that's how trolls work. Trolls bring you into something like, yes. By the way, the person who should not go named that it was an excellent troll. Perfect. I mean, no, he's not. He's going to be honest about it. He is a mastermatician. Yeah, yeah. He knows how to get a response because he used to run a fan page for Nikki Minaj.

3:12:58 So he understands the power of memes. You know, he like you're in his domain. Yeah. Like when you get on the internet, you're in his domain. So he knows exactly how to get around the, you know, the whatever, the sneakers with the blood, blah, blah, blah. We won't get into it. But my point is, I'm saying this to people. Don't allow yourself to be triggered because there's other stuff we need to worry about, like uterus transplants. Yo, of course. It's 8 a.m. from Fox 35. Do you know where your uterus is? This is Good Day Orlando. A game changer for some couples. Experts think that within the next five to 10 years, it could be possible for men to have a baby, carry a baby, deliver a baby, all of it.

3:13:43 Coming up next, we're going to speak to a local fertility doctor about the new development that could possibly become reality on the Health Watch this morning. Recently, the Cleveland Clinic announced that it is performing uterus transplant surgery for some women. That led to some people to wonder if they can transplant a uterus into a man, and if so, can a man give birth? The answer is yes. A doctor from the University of Southern California says it can be a reality in about five to ten years and maybe even sooner. Dr. Mark Charles with Fertility Care joins us now to talk about this. My first question is, why? Oh, goody goody. I can't wait. Seriously?

3:14:24 It doesn't even sound right. Yeah. We don't even have to comment for it. But this is more. But remember, remember, Mo, they have to get ratings. I mean, television, I was looking at the MTV video music awards. They don't really report overnight ratings anymore, but a couple of years ago, they had 12 million people watching. Well, I guarantee you it wasn't that this year. It's such a poor production now. But it's not even that. It doesn't matter which show you put on. It doesn't matter who's doing it. Television is done. That's why they have the troll. See, they have the troll. Yes, exactly. Exactly. And so the troll is a part of the system. It's how it works.

3:15:08 It's exactly right. And I saw clips of that because that used to be the Illuminati culmination ball, but it was so low quality. I was the green screens and the back screen. I was like, geez, they have fell off. Like they had to resort to the sorcerer war tactics of having a machine gun Kelly and uh Conor McGregor. It's like, man, y'all are really scraping the bottom now. I saw there were a couple of checkerboard floors. There was some burning hearts with daggers. I mean, there was some stuff in there. Oh, yeah. Chloe, she's been groomed to kill.

3:15:50 Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. All over. So she's being groomed to be the next. But what I'm saying is the quality of it. I mean, it was such poor quality. It's like they're not even getting the top people to show up or run it behind the scenes. So, I mean, we're winning the war. Oh, easily. Easily. No, no, no. We are winning the war. That's why Podcasting 2.0 is keeping everybody honest and keeping everybody out of trouble. They can't take that. You can't be canceled. Your show can't be canceled. And nor can the money. I mean, we love PayPal and Cash App, but if that's a problem, we can keep going forever. So we are winning. We are winning. Eventually, it's all going to collapse upon itself.

3:16:34 But that's what this is like. We'll have to do some work before that happens, Mo, especially you and I. But that's what the last block was about: just don't allow yourself to be. be triggered. Keep your, you know, menticide is a real thing. And one part of that is the gaslighting aspect of it. So don't fall prey to it. And you can tell from this show how we are, everything's possible. And it isn't even that hard. So, Mo, thank you. This was really good, man. This was a good potluck. You blew me away multiple times.

3:17:15 Really cool. It's so refreshing to have a different take on all of these stories that are rolling right now. And, you know, especially props to Henrietta Lacks, man. That's a story I got to dive deep into. I'm going to find out anything more. We'll probably evolve into a full show. I can see to address it now. Because you've seen it starting to ramp up with the Crump aspect and the anniversary coming. You know what I'm saying? Thank God for Crump, man. He keeps us with material. We appreciate it. Thank you, Crump. Thank you, Crump. And thank you, Mo. I really appreciate what you've done once again. Thank you, Adam. And as I always say, pay attention to everything and the truth will reveal itself.

3:18:00 And two weeks, we'll be back. But when's the next live? Eight o'clock Wednesday. Eight o'clock Wednesday. That's it, everybody. Episode number 66, Mo Facts with Adam Curry is in the can. Enjoy it. I know I certainly did. Please remember: this is a value-for-value podcast. Nothing works without your support. We need your time, your talent, and your treasure. Go to MoFax.com for more. And of course, directly to the donation page at mofundme.com and use a podcasting 2.0 app. Mo, 14 days, brother. See you then. All right, see you later, Adam. Butterfly,

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