65: Disco Biscuits

00:02 Mo Facts with Adam Curry for September 1st, 2021, episode number 65. Yes, we are back with a new month. A new round. A new incredible energy. After all, I'm Adam Curry here in the hill country of Texas, and my friend on the other end is somewhere in Northern Virginia. Good to talk to him again, ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Mo Facts. How you doing, Adam? Well, I'm doing great, Mo. It's so good to speak with you again. It's been ages. It has ages. It has. It has. Well, we're trying to get our crap together, trying to get back on track.

00:44 And we have the perseverance, that's for sure. That is for sure. And we do have a full bag for the people as well. Yes. Which I know that's what they that's the only thing they care about, really. You know what I'm saying? They really do. They really do. So let's wind up that wheel, the wheel of topics. Let's see what we're going to be talking about today on Mo Facts with Adam Curry, episode number 65. Where it stops, nobody knows, except, of course, the Mo. He knows exactly what we're going to talk about today. The topic for Mo Facts 65 is... Disgraced actor and comedian Bill Cosby. Yeah, this is when we had to do. That whole Bill Cosby thing came at such a weird time in the timeline of life with everything going on with Corona and with Rona, with the COVID and with just everything.

01:29 It was like all of a sudden that, and then there was that. And then there wasn't. And that's one of the most fascinating things there wasn't that. Exactly. It came and then it went. So I'm sure this is probably off a lot of people's radars now. But as you know, I like to take a topic and go all the way through, kind of explain the backstory to this. One hell of a man, Bill Cosby, if I have to say so myself. But I only know him as Bill Cosby, the TV show, Fat Albert, and those things, right? We don't know who these people are. And the Jell-O, Bill Cosby from the Jell-O. Right. The kids say the darnest things.

02:14 I mean, he has a, I mean, and then even when you go back to his earlier movies, so Ghost Dad, and even before then. So we don't know these people. But what I would like to do more instead of getting into the nuts and bolts of the case is to get into the narrative behind the whole story with Bill Cosby, how he was used, if he was used, and why he was used if he was indeed used. Well, come on now, Moe. It would be a very short show if he wasn't used. We all know you got something up your sleeve. You kind of gave it away there. No, well, no, he might be the puppeteer.

02:55 I mean, who knows? You see what I'm saying? So what we have to do is... Well, without a doubt, at one point in the 80s, in the late 80s, 90s, he was one of the most powerful people in show business. And this is why this is one of my most anticipated shows, one of my most gut-wrenching shows, because with all, just to lay it all out there, up until this point of these stories coming along, he was one of my favorite people. I mean, like I said, when I mean favorite people as who he portrayed in my childhood and growing up,

03:32 I have no clue who Bill Cosby is as a person, but what he projected out, we can't deny what impact he had not only on black Americans, Ados, but also just the Americans that grew up in that time of the 80s. Oh, yeah. I mean, well, even before the 80s, really. Right. Oh, yeah. Same for me. Like the Cosby's. You watched that. You stayed home. You watched the Cosbys. And that's why I don't think people really understand is the fact we don't have that now except for sports where everybody stops what they're doing to tune into something in television. And that was like a shared consciousness. Do you think we had that with Fresh Prince of Bel Air in a similar manner?

04:17 I think pre-DVD, pre-DVR. Right, right, right. It was like you had to catch it. Or, you know, I mean, we had, of course, we had VHS, but pre-DVR where you could just mash a button and it would record. Right. We were all locked in. That was kind of like what the internet and social media is now. How we experience something. The Walker's core. Right. Or even the phone call afterwards. And I mean, that was one of the things I remember, like, as soon as he went off, like the phone would ring. You're like, did you see that? And not just necessarily with this show, but in general. Yeah, of course, with any. And then, you know, my sisters would be like, get off the phone. Right. I'm expecting a call. So with all that said, I guess what we need to do is get into the media.

04:59 media coverage of Bill Cosby being released. Good day. We're coming back on the air with more breaking news about Bill Cosby. The comedian was just released from prison after the Pennsylvania Supreme Court overturned the 83-year-old actor's sex assault conviction. Cosby served more than two years of a three- to 10-year sentence, convicted of drugging and molesting Temple University employee Andrea Constant. NBC Justice correspondent Pete Williams joins us. Pete, what can you tell us about the legal reasoning that led to this decision? Well, the court says the facts are very straightforward: that when the victim initially came forward, the district attorney decided not to file charges, that there were too many problems with the evidence, and that he publicly made a statement that he would not pursue these charges and that he did so in order to free up the possibility that Cosby could be forced to

05:52 testify in a civil trial that she filed against him later, and that he could not, in that civil trial, then invoke his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination because he was told by the district attorney and believed the advice of his own lawyers that anything he said in the civil trial could not be used against him in the criminal trial if the state tried it again. So he did testify. He did incriminate himself. He said things that were incriminating in the civil trial. And then the district, the state of Pennsylvania, came back and charged him with the crime. What the Supreme Court said today is you can't do that. Right. And I think the technicality is correct, or the analysis of it.

06:36 And I'm no lawyer. I'm leaning on my law and order and suits a law degree. No, but that was the understanding that if you sign a deal, even in my low legal analysis, is that if you sign a deal, then the deal can't be welched on used against you. And that's the whole premise behind this. And this is one of those things that was a real mind trick for people. It's like, hold on, Will. Well, it was also because of that testimony he gave that everything was so shocking and all of the allegations, you know, without ever really having gone through the whole proceedings just rang true.

07:23 Yeah, and that's the thing. What did he admit to? Because as you're going to see, there was a very sly sleight of hands done with what he actually confessed to and what they actually, how they used that confession as an open and shut case to railroad him off to jail. Oh, why does this not surprise me? And we can have, like, I want people. Can we get a trigger warning first of all? This is a very triggering time. I'm sorry about that. I know I caught you off guard, but no, no, a very triggering topic. I think you're absolutely right. Trigger warning. Trigger warning.

08:04 Trigger warning. Your attention free. Trigger warning has been activated. No, you're going to go back to the reasons why he was convicted in the first place. And we're going to go through some of the we must, I guess, right? Well, just not in the details of the case, because I believe, and just like most lawyers would believe, the case should have never took place. And so I'm not going to really get into the cases whether he did it. He didn't do it. Right. That kind of thing. I want to get into why was this allowed to happen the way it did in a way that it did when it's clear as day for my law and order legal degree.

08:45 Yes, I saw the same thing immediately. Like, oh, this is clearly a violation of procedure. Right. So everybody was waiting for somebody to step in, but like, oh, no, you can't do that. But by the way, he's in jail. Thank you for doing this, Mo, because no one's going to do this. This is like the guy's guilty, done, cut and dry. He's rich, so he got off on the technicality. I mean, that I think is the narrative that people are kind of, there's a lot more stuff that they got to worry about these days, but I think if you ask anybody, they'd be kind of, that's kind of what happened with him. And they don't care anymore, I'm sure. And two things could be true, right? He could be accused, actually

09:25 did. I'm not going to use the word guilty, but he could actually have done what he's accused of doing, but still not by our rules and laws of America, not been convicted of it due to, I don't think this would be considered double jeopardy. I think it was the fact that he testified under the understanding that he wouldn't be, it couldn't. It's a Fifth Amendment, right? You don't have to incriminate yourself. And going into this show, I'm of the opinion. both can be true. Right. That's where I'm at. That's where I'm at. Right. And I think a lot of people are that now to what extent. Right.

10:05 Because we, okay, listen, I don't want to get too far into it, but that's that's the layout of the first, maybe third of the show is just looking at why was this allowed to happen to him when it's clear as day, if me and you was his lawyers, we could have got him off if we're going by the law. Well, yes, going by the law, not going by media, because the media was just cutting him down. It was just done. We got the women coming out. The timing was right. It was, you know, Weinstein stuff in the picture all over the place. Yes. He was eating. Goggles carry goggles. Sorry about that.

10:46 From the future, man. Sorry. Not to belabor this clip, but I just want to point out that he actually was forced, not forced, but agreed to testify because he couldn't use the Fifth Amendment as his protection in a civil trial. So it's like he got double screwed because you told me that I couldn't be used against me in the criminal trial. So I'll tell you what I know in the civil trial, and I'm sure he had to pay out for the civil trial. And then he turned around and get, you know, they used it in the criminal trial. Right. So that was just a fascinating. And this is where the, if you want to divide it down a race line and even down a gender line,

11:30 the race was like, black people were like some black people, as you're going to see. Like, hold on, well, you can't do that. And that's, that's not the, that's not justice. But as we talked about on this show, justice is not what we think justice is at all. And then down the gender line, it's like, well, yet again, you have some men that say, well, even if he did do it by the law, he shouldn't be tried for it. So just to lay that out. So I'm glad. Just want to get the context of what we're talking about here. So we can go ahead and get into the clip number three. You can't do that. You made him, you gave him a reason to believe that he could testify at the civil trial without putting himself in jeopardy of the criminal prosecution.

12:12 The Pennsylvania court said our sense of fair play and decency compels us to believe that the district attorney, the district attorney, had to stand by the decision that was made by a predecessor in the office not to charge. So that's the reasoning of the court. The outcome, Lester, is that he cannot be tried again on these charges. That means that the woman at the center of this case, she can't be the subject of another criminal prosecution. This one is over. Now, that doesn't mean that other victims could come forward and the state could investigate and decide whether or not to pursue criminal charges based on entirely different facts, but there can't be a retrial on this case.

12:57 We know that there are other women who testified of what they thought was similar behavior against them. There's a statute of limitations issue. Would that prevent some of these cases from going forward? Potentially, and the court doesn't explicitly says here that they're not making any decision about any other potential case or any of the testimony that was offered in the civil trial. They simply say that issue isn't before us and we're not going to answer it. Yeah, this whole thing really stinks. It's kind of passed us by. Again, it was like, what? What? What?

13:33 Okay. Because it was perfect, and you'll see how it was perfect when it first ramped up was right at the beginning of the election cycle of 2016. So it kind of got faded there. And then through the whole Trump, you know, administration, you know, everyone's doing other stuff. Right, right. But Trump was a victim of the same thing Bill Cosby was. And the same thing is now we're seeing with Deshaun Watson, the football player down in Houston, and even to the extent of Tiger Woods. And what that is, is when one victim comes out, there's this floodgate of women that say, oh, yeah, me too, me too, me too. Not no pun intended. That was something to me. It was literally me too, Harvey Weinstein.

14:18 I mean, there was a lot of me too going on. Right. But what I'm saying is this feeds into, see, now we got, this is why we do the show. Because whenever you see a black man accused of some kind of sexual assault in this manner of that level, let me be clear, of that level of celebrity, there's always a floodgate to follow it. And that's why I said with Deshaun Watson, I think he's up to 20, 30 women. Oh, I see. Trump experienced the bottom. Right. I see what you're saying. The floodgate is more, not more. men being accused, but that man being accused by more women. Right. And like what you saw with Trump, and that Trump experienced the bottom, right? It was, excuse me, 45 Savage, because I don't want to trigger anybody. But

15:03 it was another person. Oh, yeah, no, yeah, and another person. Yeah, it was like 20 or something. Right. And those are criminal, I mean, well, criminal or civil or I will say well, dude, before he was, you know, he was just president and was already golden shower with Russian hookers. I mean, yeah, there was a lot, a lot of accusations. Right. So this the same, but in the same time, he wasn't hauled off to jail like Bill Cosby was. When I say Trumped up charge, I mean that the fact of the fifth protections of his fifth amendment, right, were violated and nobody stepped up to save Bill.

15:44 Right. Nobody. Cosby actually got arrested. Right. Are they rested? Perp walked. And we see we see how this stuff normally works. Normally, this works in somebody his caliber. The lawyer picks up the phone. Hey, Bill's going to come through the back door at 5 p.m. You know, we're going to get this. When you see the perp walks, and I want to lay it out and juxtapose it to when you see people like what's the guy's name that Trump got arrested for. I mean, got arrested for Trump. Manafores, you see the Roger Stones. It's like six in the morning, boom, kicking out the door, calling him out. You know what I'm saying? When you see that, that is a media spectacle. And that's what was done to Bill.

16:28 And I want to make this last point is with Tiger Woods. Tiger Woods did nothing illegal. No, he just had an affair. Well, same thing. It was 18, 20, 27, 30 women. Come on, yeah, I was Tiger Woods' girlfriend. So when you see these things, this plays on the I just want to say, just as a guy, now moving up on 57 years, I know a lot of men, celebrities, who have indeed have a lot of sexual relations with a lot of women. Correct. So I'm not saying that that didn't happen. No, but I'm saying the way it was covered.

17:12 It's like, oh, and they do this thing. You see it in the media where the front page is like picture, picture, like block at the block of the block of women. And it's like, no, this is his hit list. But this plays into the narrative that specifically black men are sexual predators, and which plays into the history of lynching and all the other stuff that comes with it. So don't let that be lost on you. No, no, no, no, no, I hear you. I hear you. When this is seen, it's like, what the hell is going on here? You know what I mean? Like, you don't see Les Moon Vans or none of these people perp walked and saying, treated in the manner that a Bill Cosby is. And we're still saying that two things can be true at the same time. So now we're going to go over to the other side.

17:55 Well, Harvey Weinstein did get perp walked. Well, of course, he was giving up. I mean, you know how it goes. Like, we always talk about Soros, right? Soros is not pulling all the strings in the New World Order, right? He, somebody got to draw a short straw. I think the same thing with Matt Madoff, right? Madolph ran all this by himself. Come on. I mean, I think they sit in the room. Either it's like, okay, you got to take this case. Sorry, Bernie. Right. You know what I'm saying? You got to take this case. And it's like, well, my kids are going to be all right. Yeah. My grandkids. Yeah. Yeah, they're good. All right. I'll take it. Or it's who can we put up on the altar to be sacrificed?

18:31 I don't know which case it is, but I just think these people are representative of a problem that they're trying to present is being taken care of. Well, and that's in with all organized crime, I guess. Of course. Yeah, webay. Webay took all the cases in the wire. We got some more potatoes. Exactly. I was thinking of it. Didn't want to say it. But yeah, ever since I've seen the wire, now I get it. Got you. Got him. We got him, folks. Oh, yeah. All the way. All right. So let's get into now. We're going to go over to CBS this morning with Gail. And she's speaking to Gloria Aldrich. We're joined now by Janice Baker Kenney, who took the stand as a witness in Bill Cosby's 2018 trial.

19:15 She testified that she was sexually assaulted by the actor in the 80s. And her lawyer, Gloria Allred, who represents dozens of women accused, who have accused Bill Cosby of assault. Good morning to you both. Janice, I want to start with you because last night it was reported that you were processing this latest turn of events. What's your reaction today and how are you feeling? Well, good morning, Gail. I'm still processing everything that's going on. I just need to remember now. and it's almost like a mantra for me that he was released on a legal technicality and not because he's innocent. He is not innocent. He'll never be innocent. And I need to hold on to that.

19:59 So, what would justice look like to you now? Because he is claiming that he is innocent. He is claiming that justice has been served. He's going to always claim he was innocent. That story has never changed. But the 60-plus women that have come forward, we all know the truth. So his legacy will never be what it used to be. So a little bit of justice served there. He did serve two years, a little bit of justice in the fact that he is a disgraced former America's dad.

20:43 And I can live with that. Wow. Yeah. That was unnecessary roughness on the play. If you want to take down the patriarchy, you might as well do it that way, huh? Let's bring down America's dad. America's dad. That's what this is all about. It does have tinges of race to it, just because of who was the victims or alleged victims and who was the perpetrator. But I think this was a design hit on the patriarch itself. Being she's not America's black dad. Right. You see what I'm saying? This wasn't. No, this Bill Cosby was America's dad. If you had any family, especially in the black community, you know, the father was intact and they were productive.

21:27 I was like, oh, they like the Cosbys. That was a literal statement because I'm an example of one of those cases. My family was called, like, oh, y'all like the Cosbys. Seriously. Well, I think in my family, we probably certainly to my dad said, why can't she be more like Mr. Huxtable? And that's if you want to take down the patriarchy, you got to come at the top dad. Interesting. And even in this, she said that he has not admitted anything. Something like he'll always say he's not, he's always say he's innocent. Again, I'm glad you're doing this because I really have no other knowledge other than he admitted to something really crappy that he did.

22:11 And that's why he went in. And for all the technicality, is why he's getting out. But that at some point, he did admit to something really bad. And that's the point right there: what did he admit to? The fact that you can't tell me right offhand and you are a media deconstructionist by trade. Yep. Well, that was never discussed. What he admitted to is just that he admitted to it. You know, it's like he, you know, what he admits to. He admitted to it. And if he admitted to it, then he has to be guilty. And it's, but it's like, what did he admit to? And we're going to get to that, but I just want to get this. It's two memes is going to go. The one, the thing that he admitted to it, they're just going to run with that.

22:53 They never pull out the transcripts. And if it had ironclad stuff in there that says, I know, did everything you're accusing me of, and, you know, just, but I'm going to say it in the civil trial to protect myself from legal ramifications. From legal ramifications, then I'll admit to it, right? But he never said that. I mean, excuse me, the media never said that. And they never rolled out the transcripts and showed what it exactly admitted to. It's just that he admitted to it. You know, but what? And then the other thing is that legal technicality, legal technicality. Right, right. Well, if you should never have been on trial, is that a technicality?

23:34 I mean, like, actually, you know, but they're going to run these two memes into the ground. So I just want to make people aware. Like I said, I know this may be triggering some people, but the reason why we do this is because there's a deeper story there. And there's many characters, one being Mr. Gloria Arred. So let's hear from her in clip number five. Gloria, it's Anthony. In your view, is this decision a setback to the Me Too movement? No, Anthony, I don't think it is at all. There are many women who continue to come forward, many persons who allege that they are victims, for example, of R.

24:14 Kelly, of Harvey Weinstein in Los Angeles, of many other figures. And women are now empowered in the way they never were before. Janice was very brave when she testified. I'm so proud of her. And it is, you know, a shock. But it's also very clear that the Pennsylvania Supreme Court did not make a decision that. Mr. Cosby did not do what he was accused of doing. It was based on a legal technicality, on issues of due process, and it was not based on the merits and the evidence as to whether he did it or not.

24:57 Actually, to the contrary, the court talked about the statements that Mr. Cosby made in the deposition in the civil lawsuit brought by Andrea Constant and called those statements incriminating. Gloria, you represent an accuser in California who's filed a civil case against Bill Cosby. Does this decision affect that case in any way? We're going to find that out. Gloria Aldrich's very fascinating character here. No, yes. She represents 33 of the Bill Cosby accusers. Of course. Now, Aldred. Now, I'm about to go here. I didn't prep you for the theorem, but

25:39 theorem, but it's going to get there. Aldred. Is she the Red Queen? Red Queen means as in the game of chess. Or I mean, it's saying it's the Red Queen is able to move swiftly and effortlessly. And then the other thing about that is she's viewed as an antagonist in the story as she is the queen for the side opposing Alice. See, who is Gloria Aldred? I'm throwing it in for you now. I appreciate that. I like it. I mean, I have really come around to the

26:17 witchcraft and the spells of the world, Mo. I mean, right down to the Pfizer name change on their back scene. Like, these are all spells. Right. And the reason why I say, is she the Red Queen? Because is she really working to take these powerful men down? Or is she just a person in the role to play a certain role? Is that she's actually portraying just portraying a role. She's a hired girl. She's a hired gun. She'll do whatever. In what way? In what way do you mean that? I just came out of curiosity. Well, this is what she does. She represents almost class action level suits of women against men. I mean, this is what I've seen her do throughout her career.

27:01 Certain men. And are you aware who her daughter is? Yes. Yes. Also a lawyer. I forget. Lisa Bloom. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She's an American attorney known for advising Harvey Weinstein amid sexual abuse allegations. Now, hold on. How is it that you're for women's rights and me too? And your daughter's over here. She also does the same similar kind of work. But when Harvey Weinstein needs to be advised, they work to advise them. Yeah. No, this was very controversial at the time. Yeah, I'm just throwing it out there. I mean, just like, who are these people and what roles are they playing? And I just find it out.

27:42 You might say Aldred, all red. I mean, that's her name. And she actually plays into that with her attire. She's always wearing red. That's correct. Which is a very power move to have a suit like that. I mean, in general, I would say if all red or bloom come your way, you know, you need to leave. You just need to get out of the way. If you see those two come and leave, I've always felt that way about them. So, and then my other question is: did they bring, and this is just a wild question to Moe's: did they let Bill Cosby out so they can run him through the meal again on the civil trials before he passes away? When he dies, his catalog is going to go up in value. It's like, do we milk him now while he's still living?

28:26 But we can't do that while he's in jail. Well, I mean, there's also a personal fame and fortune thing for all red and bloom, as for a lot of people. So there could be many, many motivating factors for them doing this. But from the legal standpoint, I can't really say, but yeah, it totally seems possible they would do that. I'm getting extra business from the business. Extra bags of the bucket. Yeah. Yeah. From a business standpoint. This is why I'm fascinating. I was really excited about doing the show with you because you could tell me about the entertainment side. Yeah. Well, is it true when a person dies, their catalog goes up in value, correct?

29:07 In general, yeah, in general. But, I mean, the catalog, it kind of depends on what you're saying is the catalog. I mean, there would be a boost. But first of all, you know, Cosby stuff was taken off the air when this happened, when all this came down. I mean, he was, you know, a version of mainstream deplatforming. I think they even took the Cosby show off some of the older TV networks. But will it go up? Yeah. I mean, yeah, but who that who, yes. I mean, answer, yes. Basically, content we already paid for 40 years, 30 years ago will be valuable again. And I feel okay with watching, not me, but as a just the typical black person, you know what I'm saying?

29:48 I put that in huge air quotes. I feel okay with watching it again because Bill got off. It's like, put Bill back on TV. He got off. He was railroaded. Well, you got some. I'm not ready for that conclusion yet. We got some more convincing to do on what went on. No, no, no, no, no. I'm saying it's just if I'm just paying attention to the media cycle. Oh, no, but they didn't do that. No, and see, the point I'm making is that it could be both ways on both sides. If I am a person that is a Bill Cosby fan and I want to watch the Cosby show, I feel good about watching it again because he was let off. Right. He didn't do it. He didn't do it. I mean, in a fan's mind, so they feel okay with watching the show again.

30:33 Yeah, but did the fans hear he didn't do it or did the fans hear he did it, but he got off on the technicality? The same way some people are saying he'll always be guilty and he only got off on a technicality. The other side would be that he got he beat the system. So I'm just, I'm just telling, and we saw this with the OJ case, you know, that kind of thing. That it's like, okay, he beat the system. That's a win. You know, we can go back to Washington and feel good about watching him. And maybe the powers that be is like, hey, we got a product here. We can get it while he's still living. He's fighting all these cases. He might sell pennies on the dollar. I'm just throwing out as a possible reason why he was let out.

31:14 You know, just pure speculation. But it made no sense for him to be let out. The timing of it was very weird. Very weird. And as you hear what Gloria Arrid, she's talking about the other cases she has pending civil through civil court. And another thing she did to lend back to that predatorial black male trope is invoke R. Keddy Kelly immediately. Now you got all these others. Another one I forgot about. Yeah. R. Kelly, sure. And you notice Bill gets out. R. Kelly trial ramps up. Yes, it's true. So I'm just telling you how it's perceived.

31:56 See, I mean, it's kind of, I can perceive it how some black people, and it's like I said, some men's rights people, and however you want to slice that cake, can look at him like, you know what? They railroaded Bill. We're going to take him up as a hero. You know what I'm saying? And that was kind of the thing was. But when he was released, like. Now I'll just say that, okay, gotcha. But let's just take R. Kelly as an example. Only for me, and I think for most, when you say R. Kelly, it's like, oh, there's a black man who did that. It's like, no, there's a creepy entertainer guy who did that. So I understand the perception from if you're talking about yourself, I completely understand the perception.

32:39 Boy, that's not how I was thinking at all. In fact, of course, I also don't think that way about Bill Cosby. You know, it's like, it's not, none of that was racial in my mind until you came along. I'm sorry. It wasn't racial until you made it that way, okay? This is why these stories are so great to be used by the media because they can mean different things to different people and they take away whatever that, you know, however they're invested in the story. Right. Older men might say, back in my days, you know, and like younger men be like, see, I told you women's rights and feminists, you know, they hate men. It could be taken anyway. And then it's amazing that Black Lives Matter didn't come to Bill's defense. You know what I'm saying?

33:23 It's like, so it's like, yeah. You know, so I'm just telling you that these are why these stories exist, I believe, is because they can get you engaged in it emotionally. And when you're engaged emotionally, then it makes it more easy for the spell to be acted on you. So that means just my two cents. Yep. Well, when you said America's Dad, then all of a sudden, yeah, that part started. And that, and totally. From a patriarchy standpoint, gotcha. Right. Totally. So, so I guess we can go and wrap up with the final all-rich clip. Does this decision affect that case in any way?

34:07 It does, actually, because now that he is a free man, now that he cannot be retried, he cannot claim or invoke his Fifth Amendment privilege against incrimination and decline to testify. In our civil lawsuit, which alleges that our clients. client, Judy Huth, was victimized, was a victim of child sexual abuse by Mr. Cosby at the Playboy Mansion. We have an order compelling him to sit for a second deposition. The first is under seal. In this second deposition, which we intend to take prior to trial,

34:51 we intend to ask him many, many questions under oath. He is going to be compelled to answer them because he can't invoke his Fifth Amendment privilege against self-incrimination. Hey, Janice, it's Tony DeCopol. It takes a toll on a person to come forward in a case like this. It takes a toll on a person to testify at trial. I'm curious, knowing what you know now about the outcome, would you still go back and take the stand? And what would you say to other women who may be hesitating in different cases right now? Well, I would go back in a New York minute. And it's because of the support of all the survivor sisters. We're this loving group that will reach out to anyone to help them come forward like many of us did.

35:39 The survivor sisters? Survivor sisters, like 60 of them. They get together and they have little meetings. They have meetings. And like I said, if they actually are survivors, maybe it's a cope mechanism for them. But I just find it convenient that Gloria has all these charges, I mean, all these criminal, I mean, civil cases lined up. And she said he cannot use his Fifth Amendment to protect him. He has to testify. And we have an old aging before our eyes. You know, it seems what's kind of like frail and feeble. I mean, I don't use those disrespectfully, but it's get him on that stand, allude to whatever he admitted to in the cases, in the previous case.

36:25 He has to be guilty. He has to be, and you're going to talk about $100,000, $200,000, $500,000. You're saying just like draining him. Oh, he already paid $3 million, I think, the first, the first. And she got more lined up, as she just said. Hey, the thing, you rang the bell. Now, this Playboy Club allegation or the Playboy Mansion. Do you know what year this is from? We'll get into that. I just wanted to say, because I've seen some old Playboy TV shows with Cosby. We'll get into that too. Go ahead. Go ahead, though. Go ahead. Well, because it's like

37:03 Bill was a player, man. He was a player. The whole show, it was just like super sophisticated, but sexy. And, you know, I've never been to the Playboy Mansion, but I know plenty of people who have. There's sex going on there. In their grotto, everywhere. I mean, come on. It's America's Whorehouse. I mean, let's just call it what? I mean, pretty much. That's exactly what it is because you know when you go there, it's like everything's prepaid, though. Yes. That's not exactly true because there's special Playboy coins. And, you know, and so you can pay for stuff with that. I'm reliable. Oh, yeah. Convert your money to tokens.

37:47 Like Bitcoin. Hello, America's Whorehouse. And we're going to get into the. We're going there. We're going all the way. If I wasn't going to do this show, if I couldn't go all the way there. But the Playboy Mansion, full of his white bunnies, the Red Queen. Oh, yeah, we're going all the way there. You know what I'm saying? So bring it, Mo. Bring it. Alice in the Wonderland. We're going down the rabbit hole because I went down a serious one with this with this show. So now we're going to go over to the prosecutor that took Bill Cosby down, and that is one, Miss Kristen Gibbons Fendon. So she's on MSNBC. So let's go ahead and get into that clip.

38:31 It's a lot to take. And this morning, disgraced actor and comedian Bill Cosby. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Wait. I got to say one thing. This is when the case first broke. So we're going back in time. Oh, right. Okay. Okay. I just got it. I got to make that clear. You know what I'm saying? So we're going back to when the case started picking up steam back in 2015, 2014. Okay. No, no, no, no. Excuse me. This is when he was convicted of the case. So this is not the beginning, but this is like the middle when he was actually convicted. Okay, I'll give us a little sound effect. So we know we're going back in time. It's a lot to take. And this morning, disgraced actor and comedian Bill Cosby is waking up in jail a day after being sentenced to three to ten years in a Pennsylvania prison, months after he was convicted of drugging and sexually assaulting Andrea Constant back in 2004.

39:24 The 81 81-year-old years. led away in handcuffs after a judge ruled he is a sexually violent predator. Kristen Gibbons Feden was the prosecutor in the case. She joins me now. Kristen, you are the one who went to Andrea Constant three years ago. Has justice been served? Did you think this day would happen when you started working on all of this, especially given what a superstar, an icon Bill Cosby was? It's interesting that you asked that question. When we decided to charge Bill Cosby, and when I spoke with Andrea and met her and saw how steadfast she was, how brave, how courageous she was, I knew that regardless of the result, justice would be served.

40:08 Her message would be set forth, her story would be told, and she would be able to confront Bill Cosby as the sexually sexual predator that he was when he sexually assaulted and drugged her that night. Did the Me Too movement have an impact on this trial? Well, during the Voider process, all of the jurors were asked if they could remain fair and impartial and put anything that they may have heard about the Me Too movement to the side. And I do believe that they were able to do that. But in terms of the support and the advocacy that she received, Andrea Constantine received in the public's eye, I think it had definitely a significant impact in that regard.

40:48 Bullshit. Excuse my language. How can any man at that time get a fair trial with the whole Me Too whirlwind swirling? It's not happening. So that was a very disingenuous question. And another thing is, now I'll turn it over to you. Kristen, I mean, excuse me, Stephanie Rule asked her, saying, she said, you approached the victim. You went to the victim. So it's not like the victim came out of the, you know, out of the roof works and was like, oh, I want justice. She'd already got her justice with the civil case. And how does this Stephanie, excuse me, Kristen Gibbons Finnan, who is a black woman, allegedly,

41:29 I'm just saying, appears to be, I don't know if she's ADOS or not, but she appears to be a black woman. How do you not know about his Fifth Amendment rights and how they're being violated? I mean, this is what perplexes a lot of people. And it's not like you're making me defend Bill. I don't want to defend Bill, you know, because if he did what he said, accused of, there's no defense of that. But at the same time, it's like, hold on, where you can't violate people's rights to get them. Because if that were, if justice breaks down, we have no shot at all.

42:06 What you're doing here is something very difficult. I mean, you are a black man defending a black man of something he was convicted, you know, narratively convicted of and let off on a technicality. Which he should never have been on trial in the first place. And this is part of the defense that is that, you know, people cannot process what you're saying when you say that. But that they have, I'm going to say this: on the flip side of that coin, we've seen certain white men, white society says, hands off, you can't have him. I don't care what he said, what he did.

42:46 And we saw this with 45 Savage. People didn't care what he did, what he was accused of. It's like that's our guy. You know what I'm saying? Like, no matter what, I'll just go back to Bill. No matter what Bill did, the next sum total, he's good for our society. And if he did do it, let us handle it. Okay. So there's a little extra piece to that from the narrative. And I'm only speaking from the narrative that I've caught and followed in the past 20 years. And part of that narrative was Bill Cosby is wagging his finger at everybody, telling everybody what to do. Now, this could have also been completely narrative-driven. I have some personal experiences where

43:31 he definitely is an arrogant, arrogant guy. I'll say he's an asshole. Excuse my language. I mean, he definitely was, I have the proof. I mean, I mean, you've heard the, you've heard the Chris, no, the Eddie Murphy story when Bill Cosby bitched him out and all this crazy stuff. So we've heard all that. So that's completely tainted. And part of the human nature, certainly when it comes to celebrity, is celebrities are, it's like the blue check mark. You know, it's like, hey, we're just waiting for someone to mess up. And, you know, there's a lot of reasons to hate Bill Cosby. There's a lot of reasons to love Bill Cosby, but over the years, the past 20 years, I think it really culminated with the pull your pants up, although I agree with it.

44:19 Mm-hmm. I like that. Pull your pants up, son. Shut up. That was priming a primer for what happened for the response where people go like, yeah, makes of course that guy did that. Ah, douche. So, yeah, and that's, I think it's a human response. But I'll say this: in as many, and this is a loosely based comparison, but we've seen where guys have been victim of shootings, cop shootings that have a rap sheet, and Black Lives Matter still does mental gymnastics to make a case for these people to why they need to be

45:01 held as heroes and be protected. So it's like Black Lives Matter was nowhere to be found on this. That's my point. It's not, no, I'm not looking for white society to protect Bill, but it's black. But you hit on a very important point that he made himself no friends and didn't make it easy for him to be protected. But nonetheless, my thing with this case is if we can violate one person's rights, especially of that size, and you have lawyers on both sides. I mean, how can she, with good heart, I mean, I'm sure there's something similar to the Hippocratic Oath. No, no, no. No, stop. No, there's no such thing.

45:44 It has to be. No. There is. No, there is no such thing. The only thing I can say is Red Queen have Black Heart. That's for sure. I know there's a producer. It has to be somewhere that you have to act in good faith. No. When dealing with like, don't you like when you have to recuse yourself and all of that? I mean, isn't that part of it? Like, hey, I know it's wrong. Hey, I know it's my brother-in-law. You know what I'm saying? That's my brother-in-law's business. I can't participate in this. There's a conflict of interest, but. Okay. I just want to lay that out. I mean, because this is, I'm going off my, once again, my law and order suits legal, legal. And by the way, my first response with Cosby, what, two response?

46:27 My first response was, oh, well, he got screwed. So yeah, he deserves to get let off. You know, that, wow, that's rare that this kind of happens at that level. And my second response is, when is this going to happen next? Derek Chauvin? I mean, who's this going to have this? You know, these technicalities, that's pretty sloppy. And so this could happen with all kinds of high-profile cases. You can get railroaded that way, too, obviously. Right. And that's what when we speak of justice, we're talking about fairness, not this moral. Well, morally, we're going to do the right thing, even though it goes against what law says. No, we can't have that.

47:08 Even though, even in this case, like I said, two things can be true, but we can't let that kind of law, legal miscarriage, miscarriage of justice is what I like to say, happen. Because if it can happen to him, and I have that could happen to anybody for anything. So next would be the statute of limitations go away. We've seen NDAs basically become nothing. I mean, we said total disintegration of the legal system, which hasn't been favorable to people on my side in the first place. But it's like, come on. I mean, like, you can't do Bill like this. And I'll say this once again.

47:50 At some point, and it's a question. It's not a statement. Can a group stand up and be like, you can't have him? We know about Elvis Presley. We know about him having a young wife. You're not getting Elvis Presley. I don't care what. I don't care what you say. Certain segments of society is not going to let Elvis Presley be canceled. There's other ones out there. And even with, go back to R. Kelly. It's not about the people. It's about the money because they'll pull all R. Kelly's songs off the radio, but they'll let Aaliyah's songs play with R.

48:31 Kelly in them. How does that make that make sense? It's like, hold on, I thought we were taking R. Kelly. Well, no, no, that'll affect Aaliyah's state. Yeah. So no, what I'm doing is painting the picture of why when you talk to somebody, you can see the frustration or the or the why this would happen. That's all. So thinking about that, music and music catalog is definitely more valuable. Can is it is easy to get value from because people all of a sudden want to listen to songs. Although this is still not what it used to be with TV shows, it's very very different.

49:16 I think the money, if we're going after money in this case, or partially, that's Cosby himself. He has a lot of money, like hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars. Oh, he's super paid. But the other thing is, is with the content, when you have, he's probably a billionaire, by the way. He's probably a billionaire. I believe that. But when you see content-focused platforms like Netflix or whatever fill in the blank Amazon, his show has to be worth a lot of money because it's something that you can cut on and it'll mindlessly play in the background, which that's all the content platforms care about, right?

50:02 Like an office. You can cut the office on. You're not even really watching it, but it's own, right? So not saying now, but I think just as a business looking at with a business mind, they could easily say, hey, let's go buy this Cosby thing up for pennies on the dollar and just sit on it. He'll come back around. You know what I'm saying? People forget what he. I mean, now he's never done nothing. I mean, you look at this case 20 years from now, it's like, oh, yeah, he was convicted, but he got off. And that would be the footnote. So. Right. Well, just so you know, over the years, the Cosby show has generated probably close to $5 billion. I remember we used to come on back to back to back to back every afternoon, like three or four shows, and you would sit down and watch it.

50:47 Martin's the same way. It's certain, certain shows in our community, quote-unquote community, that it just you could sit down and watch them over and over again. And it's because I remember where I was at when I saw that. I remember that as a kid, you know, that kind of thing. That's why Elvis would never be canceled because people are like, hey, I remember when I was in the back seat with Johnny, you know what I'm saying? Oh, no, no, no, no, bluff. You know what I'm saying? You can't take that away from my childhood or my teenage years. I mean, excuse me, it's all about that. I mean, I'm not like, we don't care about Bill Cosby. Let me be honest. We don't care about Bill Cosby, the person. We don't care about Elvis, the person. We're invested in them and what their impact on our childhood and memories are.

51:28 That's the only reason we care about these people. True. So, I mean, many rant, but fascinating timeline. Let's listen to when Bill was convicted. I say this because I know it's a completely different situation, but here we are with the Supreme Court Justice nominee Brett Kavanaugh. He has accusers, and our own president is repeating these narratives: I don't know, were people drunk? It was a long time ago. Where were her loving parents? Which is the opposite of what Me Too is trying to do.

52:04 Absolutely. I think the MeToo movement is dynamic. And even though there are going to be some people who are going to continue to assassinate the character of these sexually, these sexual assault victims, more than some people, some of the most powerful people in the world. Absolutely. And that's going to remain. But you know what? Now, these survivors have a community and they have support. And with the conviction of Bill Cosby, they now know that justice can be served, that justice can prevail. And again, I know they're very different situations, but tomorrow, when Brett Kavanaugh's accuser, Dr. Christine Blassey Ford, is going to be questioned, they're now bringing in a sex crimes specialist, a woman who has decades of experience.

52:47 Is due process taking place here, seeing that it is just Christine Ford and it is just Brett Kavanaugh. We're not subpoenaing Mark Judge. There is no FBI investigation. Can she actually do her job here? You know, due process is the opportunity to be heard. And I admire Dr. Ford given this constrained process coming forward under these constraints, being scrutinized in the public eye and also for the Judiciary Committee. Excuse me. Can due process occur under these settings?

53:23 It's going to remain to be seen. It's kind of fun to do this after the fact because I had completely forgotten how that intersected with the Brett Kavanaugh Supreme Court hearing timeline. Yeah, Bill just happens to be convicted right when Kavanaugh's a day before when Blasey Ford is supposed to testify, which I'll say as a side note: if I've ever seen anybody that could possibly be an MK Ultra victim, it was Blasey Ford. This little child voice. I mean, I'm just saying. So he gets taken down when the 2016 election is ramping up. He gets convicted right when, you know, right when

54:06 Kavanaugh goes on trial, and Kavanaugh's another one, they just brought. brought people out of his past and like, oh, let's just lay it all out there, right? But you see how people rallied around him to protect him. There was none of that for Bill. You better be bringing Clarence Thomas into this thing pretty soon. Got me some long Don Silver bet on it. That's another show for another day. Similar in the same case. One of the things that one of their side stories I want to point out is it's amazing how when the Boule turned their back on you, no protection. Bill's handed out a lot of those buildings you talked about

54:52 and nobody came to his defense. Nobody. Which could also be just because everyone thought he was an incredible dick. It's like, you know, yet and still it's certain in certain cultures, you certain people that you can't take. If you gave me a list to say, okay, who's on that list of untouchable in the black community prior to this? It would have been like Oprah, Obama, Bill Cosby. You see what I'm saying? Yeah. You're like, Bill didn't get nobody to come out for him. That was very blaring to me. That was like, wow, this is orchestrated in some kind of way where nobody took up for him.

55:33 But for some people who took it up for him. Who? Was it someone who worked with him? Most of his, well, we will get to, yeah, there's one person that took up for him. We'll get there. Okay. Okay. So now we're hopping over to CNN, and this is Elon Hognick. Hognig. He's a legal analyst, and he's going to slam Bill's Cosby's prosecutors. Bill Cosby has not been exonerated. Nobody has said he didn't do it. Nobody has said he is innocent. The people to blame here are the prosecutors. And there's two aspects to that.

56:12 First of all, Bruce Castor, the district attorney who made this deal back in 2004, 2005, where he essentially said, I don't believe we have enough evidence to prosecute him criminally. That enabled Bill Cosby, forced Bill Cosby to testify in his criminal deposition. That's why, that's the deal that Bruce Caster made. Can he be faulted for that? Absolutely. He bears blame for that. And then part two is that future prosecutors came along after Bruce Caster and they said, we're not playing by that deal. We're not observing that deal. And that's what the Pennsylvania Supreme Court said is the legal problem here. They said, once Bruce Caster made that deal, we're not going to prosecute you. Like it or not, good deal or bad deal, future prosecutors that came after him were bound by that.

56:54 And when they went back on that deal and tried him, that's what they say violated Bill Cosby's rights. That's what this decision was about. And Laura, I mean, as Bryn was just pointing out, you know, he's never, Bill Cosby has never admitted guilt. He's always maintained his innocence. However, in the deposition in 2005, when he thought that this was a civil case and he was never going to be prosecuted, he did admit what he did. So all of these accusers, I mean, the vast majority say that he drugged them unknowingly and then had sex with them against their will. And in that deposition, the question from Andrea Constant, one of the accusers, from her attorney, was when you got the Kwaluds, was it in your mind that you were going to use these Kwaludes for young women that you wanted to have sex with?

57:39 Bill Cosby replies, yes. Okay. You see the trick they did there? First of all, it was a deposition in cases from 2005. Right. Which was something completely. I mean, the way I, and of course, I didn't look into it. I was like, oh, they did six months ago. They got a deposition or something. And Kwalu's, I mean, I don't know. What did they do there that you thought was because they said, first of all, they said Bill Cosby has not admitted to anything. Yes. They said that. Right. Yes, he hasn't admitted to anything, but

58:25 there was something in the Kwaludes that you call is a whipsaw. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They definitely asked a question, but it wasn't right. So then they say, did you give the women Kway Lud to have sex? Maybe we need to go back and listen to that. Yeah, I was going to say, let's talk about what we heard first, and then we go back and listen to what we actually heard. Basically, she says that he didn't admit to anything, but in the deposition, he did admit to giving women Kway Lud that he planned to have sex with. It's not the same thing as drugging people. Correct. And then they do in the middle of that, women said.

59:04 All right, let me. hear this. But Caster's successor used Cosby's testimony as a key piece of evidence more than a decade later. Bill Cosby was convicted of drugging and sexually assaulting Constant. I'm sorry, this is a wrong clip. I'm sorry, my mistakes. Here we go. This is the one I want in here. I'm going to pick it up here. Cosby's rights. That's what this decision was about. And Laura, I mean, as Bryn was just pointing out, you know, he's never, Bill Cosby has never admitted guilt. He's always maintained his innocence. However, in the deposition in 2005, when he thought that this was a civil case and he was never going to be prosecuted, he did admit what he did.

59:44 So all of these accusers, I mean, the vast majority say that he drugged them unknowingly and then had sex with them against their will. And in that deposition, the question from Andrea Constantine. Stop talking. Watch right there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I hear you. I hear you. You see how she sandwiched that in? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Go ahead. Say that he drugged them unknowingly and then had sex with them against their will. And in that deposition, the question from Andrea Constant, one of the accusers from her attorney, was, when you got the Kwaludes, was it in your mind that you were going to use these Kwaludes for young women that you wanted to have sex with? Bill Cosby replies, yes. I see. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's why they kept saying he admitted to what he did. He admitted to what he did.

1:00:29 He admitted to the only thing he admitted to. And I can say, I'm not absolving Bill of anything of any actions. I'm just saying how the media cover this with these tricks. If you have slam dunk testimony, play it. But she did this whole windup of he didn't admit anything. And in the deposition, he was asked, and then women accused him of this. And then she goes back to the deposition and say, when he was asked, were you planning to give the Kwalud to women you're going to have sex with? He said yes. So he could mean anything. It was like, hey, you know, here's me. That could mean anything. Here's the actual transcript. Okay.

1:01:11 You test question. You testified that he knew you were not going to take them. And I'd like to explain your answer. How did he know or why do you say he knew? Answer. What was happening at the time was that that was Kwaludes happened to be the drug that kids, young people were using to party with. And there were times when I wanted to have them just in case. Mr. Colby says he never took the Kwaluds. This is now narration. Mr. Colby says he never took the Kwaluds himself because they made him sleepy because he was using them in his efforts to have sex with women. He also says that with the exception of one glass of beer, he stopped drinking alcohol when he was 16.

1:01:54 Question. Why didn't you ever take the Kwaluds? Answer, because I used them. Q, for what? A, the same as a person would say they have a drink. So it's not even he says that he was, you know, the way I'm reading it, cursory here, is that, you know, it's like, oh, you know, you want to toke off of this joint, you want a Kwalud, you know, you want to drink, get in the mood. That's kind of the way he was. That's it, just reading through this quickly, it seems like that's what he admitted to. Right. And all I'm doing is just deposing that to the way they put the narrative.

1:02:35 Under oath, he said, yeah, I crush him up and I put him into the drink. Now that's Allison. Now that's Allison Camarota, I believe. Allison Camarota. No, but I'm saying they make it seem like that's what he admitted to in his own words that he was drugging women. I understand what you're saying. Right. But Allison Camerata, who said that on that clip from CNN, she has a story behind her too. Was she not? Yes. She accused Fox of sexual harassment against her before she left for CNN.

1:03:21 That makes it convenient to have a big fish taken down like Cosby when all these other cases are pending. And I don't want to belabor this point too long, but I just want to make one other conclusion. I'm just saying, she's all on board with. She's invested. Yeah, she's invested. That's a good way to put it. Yes, she's invested. So Eli Hognig said that he called out Bill Caster, I think his name, the prosecutor that made the deal. And then he said the future prosecutors never naming Miss Kristen Gibbons Fedden that was the one that actually went and sought out the victim. Notice he never named. name-dropped her. Right. He just said the future prosecutor.

1:04:04 So it's like, hold on, wait, wait a minute. If we're calling out names, let's call out everybody's names, but he didn't do that. So I just found that as an interesting omission. So now what we're going to do is we're going to actually listen to Bill Cosby himself speak. And this is when he's fresh out of prison on release. Judy Cosby telling ABC's Lindsey Davis on the phone after his release that his conviction did not match the truth. Tonight, his accusers also reacting to the news. He is no longer in prison. And nobody had the sense to say, wait one second, this doesn't match up with the truth.

1:04:41 This is not what I was taught in college. This is not what I was taught at home, et cetera, et cetera. Tonight, Bill Cosby talking to ABC News just hours after becoming a free man. His 2018 sex assault conviction overturned by the Pennsylvania Supreme Court after an appeal. Justice is ruling he should not have been prosecuted because of a deal with former DA Bruce Castor, that he would not be charged if he agreed to testify in a 2005 civil suit brought by accuser Andrea Constant. Today's ruling stated that in accordance with the advice of his attorneys, Cosby relied on Castor's public announcement he would not be prosecuted.

1:05:24 But Castor's successor used Cosby's testimony as a key piece of evidence more than a decade later. Bill Cosby was convicted of drugging and sexually assaulting Constant, serving two of his three to 10 years sentence before his release today. Dozens of other women accused Cosby of drugging and sexually assaulting them. Today's news leaving many of his accusers stunned and angry. Today, Cosby's longtime co-star Felicia Rashad tweeted support saying, quote, a miscarriage of justice is corrected. She followed that up with another tweet saying she supports survivors of sexual assault and did not intend to be insensitive. Quote, their truth, Judy. Oh, you know what happened there. Felicia got the Boulevham.

1:06:06 That's right. Hey, girl. Hey, girl. Talk about that. Felicia. You got to fix that, baby. And that's how it works. You release one tweet, and then it's like that phone rings. And that's just a Boulet Inc. calling. And we like to say that what your statement is doesn't jive well with what we're trying to do over here. So we need you to go on social media and support that ASAP. Get bored with the program here, Felicia. Right. And like on cue. On cue, she corrects her statement. And this is not the first time. Felicia Rashad, Bill Cosby's TV wife, finally speaking out.

1:06:50 This is more women continue to come forward, and protesters are threatening to disrupt three comedy concerts in Canada starting tonight. Now there's Mrs. Huxtable going on the record. Yeah, tonight's top story. Moore Cosby crash and burn. Will his TV wife stand by her man? You were on the set with him for more than a decade, working very closely with him. At no time did you ever see anything inappropriate? What I saw was fun. Never anything inappropriate. What I saw was work and play at work and fun. Mrs. Cosby was a frequent visitor to the studio.

1:07:32 She was there a lot. That's what I saw. Felicia Rashad, Bill Cosby's TV wife for more than eight years, is finally speaking out. She tells ABC News correspondent Lindsey Davis she learned about the claims against Cosby along with the rest of the world. I can't even speak to those things and don't want to. The sit-down airing on ABC News came just hours after Rashad was quoted on the website Showbiz411, where it sounded like she was implying there was some sort of plot against Cosby. Here's the purported quote: Forget these women. What you're seeing is the destruction of a legacy, and I think it's orchestrated. I don't know why or who's doing it, but it's the legacy. That was a misquote.

1:08:16 And that is not what I said. What I say is about the women. This is about something else. This is about the obliteration of legacy. Yo, that phone is real. That's right, man. That thing is off the hook now. It's like. It's real. And that's why you don't have, just to pat ourself on the back, a show like this on the mainstream, because my Boulevard would have been rung by like clip four. It's like, hey, and the way it works, it's. it's like it's not like a huge power structure, it's just that somebody knows somebody that knows somebody, and they'll have your friend call you, like, hey, um,

1:09:05 not looking too good, you know. Uh, you might want to go out and get ahead of it. That's what they use. They use a term, you might want to get ahead of this. You got to get ahead of this issue, yeah, right, get out in front of this, yeah. See, because Claire Huxtable, and I use her TV name for a reason, legacy is at stake, yeah, because the only thing that she is to the masses is Claire Huxtable. No Cosby show, no Claire Huxtable. Right, who is she? But at the same time, she also has loyalty to the sisterhood. She's in a tough spot, yeah, and she knows how it goes down in Hollywood. I mean, she knows, and she's like, This is mass uh conspiracy. Now, like, like I said,

1:09:50 you can be guilty of something, but the powers that be cover it up for you. And I think that's how this whole thing works in general. If you know how skull and bone works, they want to know all your dark secrets. You land the casket, you tell all your dark secrets, and Bill's landing the casket. He's like, Oh, yes, I like to put Kwalus in women's drinks. You know, that's my thing. And they're like, Great, Bill. You know what I'm saying? Awesome. But they take those secrets and use them and weaponize them when they see fit. And it's like, Well, we need a big name for me, too. Who we got up? It's like, oh, yeah, Bill. And I know we're talking speaking about this in gallows humor, but we have to because it's a very heinous crime that crown set of crimes that allegedly happen.

1:10:36 But at the same time, this takedown is one of the most fascinating takedowns I've seen in my life. Yeah, it really is. And it's nothing compared to the, you know, they got the Cuomo takedown, the most recent one. It puts all this stuff in interesting perspective. But where's the handcuffs, though? Right. Oh, no. No, he got to slip out the back door. I mean, tens of thousands of people. And he wasn't 15,000. He wasn't an elected official doing this to people in his office. I mean, allegedly. Now, can you understand the frustration with so-called black people and the justice system?

1:11:22 This is what causes the frustration because it's like, hold on. Who was Bill's lawyers, first of all? How did this even make it to trial? You have a public statement by the person that made the deal with him saying, oh, we can't use that testimony. Public. It wasn't like in hidden secret closed indictments. What are the sealed indictments? So there's something else. So on a bigger scale, in my mind, yes, America has a two-tier justice system, and we've seen it a lot. You see it with people like Roger Stone. You see it with, I've had my own version of it with

1:12:01 taxation issues, you know, where if you have enough juice with the justice system, you know, you can take the IRS to court and you can win certain things. General Michael Flynn. I mean, this is well documented how he got railroaded by the justice system. So this does happen to people who the powerful want to have taken care of. Now, does this mean that it's the Illuminati and the Boulet doing this black and white? Possibly. It may be a little more across the board. I understand where you're coming from, but there's, you know, there's also a

1:12:43 currently, and this follows along of you saying, hey, we're first. Yeah. We're following close behind because there is a certain type of, exactly a certain type of white man. Notice, by the way, toxic masculinity only really is for white men whenever it's used. And there's, and there's, you know, different types of justice. Of course, we haven't seen someone on the level of Cosby, but definitely it's an anti-man thing for sure. I hear you. I hear you on the black thing. Because it's, it's, you've seen Godfather. I just think it's bigger than that. I think it's, you have me with the America's Dad. Right.

1:13:27 It's. No, no, no, what I'm saying is they're the Boulev was complicit. No, the Boulet doesn't have the kind of power to take down a Cosby. Let's just be clear on that as well. They don't have, they were complicit. And I was going to make an analogy to the Godfather, right? When Michael's older brother got whacked, right? He got hit at the toll booth. Right. The toll, the toll guy had to. to be in on it, right? Yeah. I'm not saying he's the one to pull the trigger, but he had to know to get down. They're about to start shooting. You see what I'm saying? So he had some knowledge of the takedown was going to happen. That's what I'm saying. That's the Boulet's role in it. That they turned their back on Bill and crossed their arms and said, We're not touching this.

1:14:09 You're on your own. And that's the point I'm making. No, Boulet doesn't have the kind of power to take down to Bill Cosby. And it's not even the cause. What I'm saying is, if you're a willing participant in this narrative of like getting emotionally invested in it, this is how when you walk away from it, like, see, this is what I'm talking about. You know, black man can't get a fair trial in America. This is what ferments and excuse me, foments this kind of behavior. This kind of because it's like, bro, what do you got to do? I mean, the Fifth Amendment, everybody knows Fifth. If you watch David Chappelle, I'm playing the fifth. You know what I'm saying? Trying. Come on.

1:14:49 Everybody knows that. But yeah, so I just say that all that to say. Now we need to get into the timeline of the Bill Cosby allegation. For Bill Cosby, it has been a week of allegations from women who say they were sexually assaulted in the past by the comedian. Many claim they were drugged. I never saw any drugs, but I would wake up completely confused, half-dressed, and knowing that my body had been touched without my permission. Bowman says she went to Cosby's New York apartment alone and that Cosby flew her all around the country as he performed at various venues.

1:15:31 But she says the advances were unwelcome. Also, speaking out, Joan Tarshius, we went up to his bungalow afterwards. He made me a drink, and very shortly after that, I just passed out. I woke up or came to very groggily with him removing my underwear. Tarshius says that in 1969, she voluntarily saw Cosby again when he invited her to a performance. After accepting drinks at his hotel and in a limo, she says she woke up the next morning with him in his bed.

1:16:09 Ironically, Cosby released a comedy album that same year titled It's True, It's True, joking about that very issue. You know what? You know anything about Spanish lie? No, tell me about it. Well, there's this girl, Crazy Mary. You put some in her drink, man. It's like Louis Suk CK. Yeah. And the thing about this clip was to show that these women saw him again and again afterwards. Yeah. Which is another thing. Like I said, I'm not making the case for Bill. That's not what I'm doing. What I'm illustrating is how you had such a divide on this case.

1:16:51 And when we have these divides, it's by design, I believe. That's my personal opinion. That let's take a case that can shatter society and have them on looking at the same thing, but looking at it from two different angles. Well, like OJ, et cetera. Same thing. Exactly. Because OJ set back racial relations on Michael Stan. Same thing. And then you got Bill Cosby here, America's dad, clean cut, never, I mean, it waves his finger. Everybody, oh, you need to do this. Pull up your pants. Like you said, that kind of thing. And it's like, hold on. In the 1970s, he just out here randomly, you know what I'm saying, assaulting women, a black man in the 1970s?

1:17:33 And you can't get him. No. I mean, that just doesn't register as being huh? Like 1970s. I mean, men were still getting lynched in the 1980s. Let's just keep it funky with you. And in the 1970s, you have a man running around Hollywood. Did you just say, let's keep it funky with you? Is that what you just said to me, Moe? Thanks. I just want to make sure I'm funky. Sorry. No, but I'm just saying it's just that these things, when they hit your brain in little morsels, the fact that we're deep diving in now and going through this timeline and the narrative, it's one way.

1:18:14 But when these little morsels hit your brain, it's like, hold on, what? The women saw him again? Hollywood jugging people? It's like, ain't that how Hollywood get down? I mean, like that kind of thing. So, just, but I'll say, Bill did his self no favors once again by making the Spanish fly. Now, this is a little long, but it's important we listen to it. When I was 13, man, start talking about weird things. No, really, staying on a corner. corner. You know anything about Spanish fly? What? Spanish fly. It always happens when you're 13. Only when you're 13, on up to like when you get married.

1:18:55 Guys stand around and talk about Spanish fly, and it never starts with one of the guys on the corner. It's always some strange 13-year-old says, You know what? You know anything about Spanish fly? No, tell me about it. Well, there's this girl, Crazy Mary. You put some in her drink, man. She's like, Yeah, Spanish. Oh, yeah, that's really groovy, man. Spanish fly is groovy, yeah, boy. From then on, man, anytime you see a girl, Spanish fly, boy, go to a party, see five girls standing alone. Boy, about a whole jug of Spanish fly. So I thought it only existed in Philadelphia, you know, and I'm working on ISPY, and Bob and I are working together. Sheldon Lennon comes up, says, Boys, ISPY is going to Spain.

1:19:43 A childhood dream come true. I'm sorry to interrupt this, but he almost has the cadence of George Carlin in this clip. Yeah, it's so different from his. I said, hey, Bob, you know what I'm going to pick up when I'm in Spain? He said, Spanish fly. I said, wait a minute, man. How'd you know about it? He said, are you kidding? There's a girl in my neighborhood in Berkeley named Crazy Mary.

1:20:23 We gave her some. And every time he told me a story, I had heard it. Every time I told him a story, he had heard it. We all knew the same story. So I figured there's got to be a guy about 2,000 years old that looks 13 going around the world. You guys know anything about Spanish fly? So, Bob and I, man, what did you see? Going to get some Spanish flyers, Spanish flyers, love it. And we're riding on the plane. Spanish project, Spanish flies. And we're going to go through cussing. This is the land of Spanish flies.

1:21:06 We get in the cab, riding the driver. Bob says, ask this guy if he knows where we can get some Spanish flies. I see, you know, ask the cab driver. Oh, Mr. Cab Driver, he made no man. Driver, say, Senor, listen, you Spanish? Say, Senor, you American? Yes. You come from America? Yes. You could tell me maybe you brought with you some American flies. That's a great, and he also, you can hear Eddie Murphy took

1:21:48 Eddie Murphy was influenced by that. It's very interesting to hear this. Good clip, and very different kind of joke, of course, than the way it was worked into that clip before. But and then make the jump from Spanish fly to qualudes. That's the thing. It's like, oh, yeah. And they took these little morsels. Yeah. Oh, you know, he made that comedy show about drugging women, right? Clearly, we have his concept a little bit. Yeah. We have his confession. We have his tape about Spanish fly. Clearly, this is an open and shut case. So this is how Bill Cosby was railroaded. Great, great media deconstruction in general, Mo. Great media deconstruction.

1:22:32 I appreciate that. Now we got to get to the Kwaludes and how popular they were in the 1970s. Who could forget this scene from the Wolf of Wall Street? Leonardo DiCaprio and Jonah Hill high on Kwaludes. Unable to walk or speak. It's pretty funny, but Kwaludes are no joke. The drug is now getting lots of attention after Bill Cosby admitted giving them to women. Nicknamed disco biscuits, Kwaludes were hugely popular in the 70s, widely consumed in nightclubs like the legendary Studio 54.

1:23:14 Originally developed as a sleeping pill, Quailudes had a deeply relaxing effect, much like strong alcohol. It's not the typical high you'd get if you were taking like ecstasy where you're partying or you're doing Coke and you're really up. It's more of a relaxed kind of high. But Kwaludes were often abused. In 1977, director Roman Polanski gave then 13-year-old Samantha Geimer a portion. of a Kwalud before he had sex with her. He fled the country to avoid prison, never to return. It's not uncommon to see things like seizures, coma, and death. And that absolutely happened, which is why the drug, although it wasn't on the market for very long, became a huge problem and it became very quickly taken off the market.

1:23:59 You know, by the 80s, it was gone. Bill Cosby was prescribed Kwaludes for a bad back. He says he never took them, but kept them on hand to offer dates. This is great. I never heard all the busy looking at 45 Savage and all this stuff at the time. I'm sorry that I didn't really follow this. That's why it's a great topic to cover because we all were just sucked into the media narrative. No, you're not even talking about it. No, no, no, you know, I was like, just a black guy who gives a shit typical. That's all I thought. No, what it is, is that we saw that, like, okay, who's going to be the next one? And that was kind of the narrative like true.

1:24:42 Bill, okay, who's next? Okay, Ronstein, who's up next? Moon, whatever his name is. Less Moonvest. Yeah, less moon vest. Who's next? You know, that kind of thing. But yet, still, when they talk about Roman Polanski, he gives one to a 13-year-old girl before they have sex, not the rape word. Right. And yeah. And that was actually very, very, very soft on Polanski, the way the media usually is about him. Well, is it? I mean, that's another thing. Like, well, let's get, let's have a small discussion about Roman Polanski. Who did he piss off? I mean, because it seems like now Hollywood loves him because he actually won an Oscar or something.

1:25:24 They gave Mael Street gave him a standing ovation, and we'll hear, you know, saying stuff about that. But to be on the run that long as a white guy, I mean, like, I mean, this totally totally breaks the narrative because we have this white guy on the run for his life over giving, you know, a 13-year-old Kwa Lew's. And we have Bill Cosby, a black guy, just dropping Kwa Lu's like dimes. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's like, well, hold on, what? How does that happen in a racial America? I mean, this is why it's like such a mind screw. How does that happen? I don't know. I don't know how that happens. But like I said, disco biscuits, that's a heard of disco biscuits.

1:26:06 I like it neither. I like it a lot. That's good. Not like butter biscuits, folks. No, no, no. No, no, it's a whole different kind of biscuit. A whole different kind of biscuit. So let's see. Now we have Roman Polanski's victim, and she wants the case dropped. She was sexually assaulted by director Roman Polanski as a teenager. Now she wants a Los Angeles judge to drop the case. Danielle Nottingham has the story. I'm just here to try and get things resolved and not on Roman's behalf, but on the behalf of a fair justice system. Samantha Geimer delivered a passionate plea to end a case that's kept her in the headlines for the past 40 years.

1:26:47 She says the trauma of media scrutiny has been more painful than the crime. I do not want to have to explain to my granddaughter why she can't go outside or answer the phone or why there are crammer crews outside my home and eventually what happened to her Nana in 1977. Geimer was 13 when director Roman Polanski, then 43 years old, gave her champagne and a pill during a photo shoot in the Hollywood Hills and sexually assaulted her. The Oscar winner pleaded guilty to unlawful intercourse with a minor in 1977. He was sent to a state prison for a 90-day evaluation, but was released after 42 days. Polanski fled the country to avoid additional time in 1978.

1:27:31 He was notably absent from accepting a Best Director Academy Award for the pianist in 2003. Friday's hearing was part of an effort by Polanski's lawyer, Harland Braun, to dismiss the case and get an international warrant lifted that would allow Polanski to travel more freely outside of the U.S. Outside of the courtroom. Geimer said she never felt the case was about her. I'm standing here saying I'm fine and nothing you can do to him will help me or anybody else. Suddenly, it's the stakes to not meet the count. It's a really hypocritical view. Either victims count or they don't. Yeah, well, you know, I've always thought that the Roman Polanski issue was not about this so-called rape or underage rape at all, but about his investigation of

1:28:22 the Tate murder. Are you talking about the Manson? The Mansons. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes. Because he was all over that. And it was all kinds of weird stuff. You know, he was training with Bruce. Bruce Lee, and then, you know, I guess he thought, you know, man, Bruce Lee might have killed him. And it was just all kinds of weird stuff. I don't know. I always thought that he had uncovered something there that might be. And that was my question. Like, who did he piss off? Yeah, well, when you said that, that's that's what triggered it with me. I kind of remember looking into that. In the time where it was just like, oh, I mean, 13-year-old and Kwalu's. I mean, that's like, you know, a Saturday night. You know what I'm saying? Hollywood. I say that flippantly, but that's kind of like how Me Too paints the narrative.

1:29:02 Like that was the good old boys' club, just how they roll. But all of a sudden, now Polanski's on the run for his life, yet and still. So I just found that weird. I mean, just as a juxtaposition with your colleagues, there's one other part to it. This is the way it's been told to me. No judgment. I'm just saying here's what the story is. If we presume that a lot of powerful Jews have control over things in Hollywood, Roman Polanski being Polish, and he may have actually made some comments about this or may have been some screenplay.

1:29:42 The Hollywood Jews have a big problem with Poland because they feel it was Poland that really, that really built the concentration camps for the Nazis. They even made a Netflix documentary kind of rewriting history or how you want to say it, reshaping the narrative around Poland. So that makes plenty of sense now. I didn't know that. That's why I love talking to you because I didn't know that part of Poland. Yeah, or he may have said something. Actually, I'm reading from Wikipedia now. His Polish-Jewish parents moved the family back from Paris to Krakow in 37.

1:30:22 Then Poland was invaded. Let me see. After his mother and father were taken in raids, Polanski spent his formative years in foster homes under an adopted identity surviving the Holocaust. Oh, so that's also probably might be something contentious. Like, you know, you hid your true identity so you didn't have to go to the work. He was passing. Yes. Stuff like that. Stuff like that. So I don't know exactly, but I think all of this comes into play somehow. Okay. So I brought up Roman Polanski to show you an example of how you thought or would think Bill would have been protected.

1:31:02 And this is Whoopi Goldberg explaining the Roman Polanski case on The View. Was not charged. I know it wasn't rape rape. Yeah, there was a statutory rape. I believe child molest, maybe. I'm not sure it wasn't something else. It was something else, but I don't believe it was rape rape. And when I get all the information, somebody will tell me in my ear. All I'm trying to get you to understand is when we're talking about what someone did and what they were charged with, we have to say what it actually was, not what we think it was. What he said he did. He gave her Kwalutes. He gave her champagne. She was drugged. She was 13 years old. He asked her. That's what I'm saying. You're 13 years old. She was still a child. He asked her, excuse me, initially he was charged with rape. Go ahead.

1:31:47 And then he pled guilty to having sex with a minor. Okay. And he went to jail. And when they let him out, 45 days. And when they let him out, he said, you know what? This guy's going to give me 100 years in jail. I'm not staying. And that's why he left. So that's why I wanted to be really clear because I wanted to know exactly what we were talking. And I'm going, does that make it okay to, you know, instead of staying in fighting to say, you know, he's going to give me 100 years. I'm out of here. I don't know. But what we were talking about was what he did. And that's what I wanted to clear up. That's all I wanted to clear up because I don't like it when we're passionate about something and we don't have all the facts. Okay, so he was charged with statutory rape.

1:32:30 So should he be prosecuted now? I believe yes, because the crime has not changed. I know she wants to move on, but there said, what does it say about crimes that are still being committed against children? Well, I love how she's how she's sticking up for the Polish guy. Rape rate. Rape rate. What the hell is rape rape? Is that something that rape rape? You know, it's not. No, it's not. It's like a cap of your face, climb through the window kind of rape. You know, it's just, it's that acceptable kind. Like, that's totally disgusting. Like, why don't people like that get canceled? Could you imagine getting on TV and defending R. Kelly by saying what R. Kelly did wasn't really rape rape. Imagine if a black man would have got on television and said that they would have been out.

1:33:14 The Boulevard would have ring mid-episode. Like, hey, get him out of here. Rape rape? I'm glad you caught on to that. Like, she said it twice. Of course, of course. Huh? Of course. You think that's crazy. Wait till you get to the second clip. Well, she forgives him, but forgiveness is not permission. And forgiveness doesn't mean he didn't break the law. So I agree with you, Sherry. And if this is a point, somebody brought it backstage. If he was not famous, would we be protecting him as much as we are? Because his friend, his friend

1:33:53 Otto Weisinger, said, you know, millions and millions of people love his work. He's a brilliant guy, and he made a little mistake 32 years ago. Oh, what a shame on Switzerland said, Otto Weiser Polanski's friend. Well, you know, I have to tell you, again, you know, we're a different kind of society. We see things differently. The world sees 13-year-olds and 14-year-olds in the rest of Europe. They're seen oftentimes. I wonder what. Well, I'm just going to say if that was his own teen-year-old daughter. Well, Sherry, I don't know, but I do know that not everybody agrees with the way that we see things. Now, would I want my 14-year-old having sex with somebody? Not necessarily. No. No. But I will tell you that I'm not surprised that he hasn't come back.

1:34:38 I'm not surprised that he didn't come back under the guise that he would have 31 years ago. Will he get a different kind of feel now? Maybe. That's pretty incredible. How old is that? So that can only be like, I guess back from that time from the cosmic. Yeah, this was right around, let's see, maybe 2014, 2015, because I think that's when the clip that she wanted the case drop. I think that's when she's right after that happening. But a different kind of society? I don't know what kind of society she lives in.

1:35:19 Well, seeing as her real name is Karen Johnson. Oh, okay. Explains it all. She lives in a fantasy world regardless. She's not. Who has? I want to know who's pulling Whoopee's strings. For her to go out on a limb like that in the climate. ABC. Whoopee is a company woman. So she's like Disney. Whatever Disney wants her to say, she says. That's the way I look. Sleeping with 13 year olds now. That's all you had to say. Thank you. Okay. Just trying to clear this out. Yeah. It's a Disney outfit.

1:47:13 Back in 2006, actor Bill Cosby dealt with a civil lawsuit alleging that he sexually assaulted a woman. Now, there were 13 other women that came forward as part of that case. And before any of them could testify, Cosby decided to actually settle the suit with the woman who filed the suit against him. Her name is Andrea Constant. Now, originally, she wanted to file a criminal lawsuit. However, prosecutors said that there wasn't enough evidence to do so. So now, as a result, fast forward to today, a comedian decided to make some interesting commentary on this entire sexual assault case. And of course, it's making headlines. I want you guys to take a look at the video and then we'll discuss. Bill Cosby has the fucking sluggest

1:47:57 old nightmare public persona that I hate. Pull your pants on, black people. I was on TV in the 80s. I can talk down to you because I had a successful sitcom. Yeah, it was great play with Bill Cosby. So I don't curse on stage. But yeah, you're a rapist. So, you saying lots of motherfuckers on Bill Cosby himself if he wants a rapist. For the most part, it's fucking public Tesla image. I've done this bit on stage, and people don't believe people that I'm making it up. I'm like, Bill Cosby did a lot of rape allegations. No, you don't. That shit is upset.

1:48:40 You didn't know about it. Trust me. You leave here. Google Bill Cosby. Yeah, man. I forgot about that. He was Hannibal Burke. It was his joke. Yeah. He lit the fuse. Yeah. Or did he? Was he just doing a stand-up act? And people took this and said, you know what? We could take this and run with it. And we can say, you know what? It was a black man that you were saying that initiated this whole circus into action to take down another black man. Oh. I'm going to be honest with you. Before this, I had never heard of him.

1:49:22 No. Never heard of Hannibal Burris. Somebody can correct me if I'm wrong, but I've never seen him on Comedy Central or Death Jan. I never heard of him since, to be honest. Well, we're going to get to that and why. We're going to get to why you haven't heard of him since. But another thing is we talked about the American Dad, America's Dad, and the takedown the patriarchy, but also now of understanding of respectability politics and how that's like the third rail Bill had to go because we talked about respectability politics on the last nest that pull up your pants, cut your hair,

1:50:04 use correct English, all the things Bill was saying. He was a respectability. He was trying to, yeah, he was trying to shape up the black man. We can't have that. We got to use those for our own agenda. That is correct. So now we have, you don't know if you heard this guy named Joe Rogan, but Halo Burst. I've heard of his show. Okay. Hannah Burris sat down with him and talked about the aftermath of Bill Cosby. Have you completely moved past all the Cosby shit or do you still take grief for that? Not grief. No, I've uh well now you're vindicated. I was

1:50:45 having a grief. It was just where I would be forced to talk about it in situations I didn't want to. And also it came out the joke and that video came out right before we were starting the rollout for my Comedy Central TV show. And we actually, people, we pushed back my announcement because that looked opportunistic. That news was that crazy that we pushed it back by maybe we pushed it back the premiere announced by a month or two.

1:51:24 Wow. Because it was that. And so even though I had my Comedy Central deal in place, this since like 2012, I had an all-around Comedy Central deal. And so then when that came out, and then I got my show with it. Well, then my show was scheduled to go on the air. It looked like, oh, he did a Cosby joke, and then he got the TV show. It's like, no, man, this is like my fourth development deal. And this is finally the show that I got on. Isn't that funny how things like that work? Isn't it funny how that works? Like you do the Cosby joke and then you get the show. He said he was in the fourth development deal. So this is what

1:52:09 the person that wrote in talk about nuance and humanizing. We're not going to jump on Hannibal Burris and say that he was sat down in a smoky room like, hey, Hannibal, you're going to write this joke. You know what I'm saying? You're going to say Bill Cosby erased me. It's going to be a great. It's going to be great. And your show is going to be catapulted off of it. No, that's not how it works. They knew of this joke, I think. They gave it gas. The Young Turks. I saw it in the Fox News. No, no, Fox. So hold on a second. Let me just correct you the way I believe it to work. Okay, please. He did the joke. The joke made the special work for them for whatever reason.

1:52:50 They didn't tell him to write the joke, but it was the fourth development deal. Finally, they said, oh, now you got something we can use, son. Yeah. Like I said, I'm thinking that it happened. He told the joke under the development deal. He picked up press. You know, whoever, me too, whoever wants to give. it gas, Young Turks, Fox 5. I heard, I mean, I heard him fly. I'm like, who is Hennibal? Who the hell is Hannibal Burst? That was my question. Like, who is this guy? And then they call him in, like, hey, we got, you know, you know, that show you wanted. I think there'd be a great time for it. But when you go out, you know, you're going to be asked about it. And then it's like, you know, how the press does. It's like, oh, we hate to ask you this, but why do we have you here?

1:53:33 Bill Cosby. Is he a rapist? You know what I'm saying? It's like, what? I came here to talk about my show that's about to go off. So like I said, I don't want to. Shoot, man. Do you know that this guy, he is the voice of Fly Lo FM on Grand Theft Auto? I never played that game. So, I mean, I never, yeah. What's wrong with you? You don't like killing hookers? Come on. I'm a sports guy. I play basketball, football, and then Mario. I play anything with Mario in it. Just a little insight, you know. I got you. But yeah, I think that's how it goes: is that while you're on your press run, you're going to be asked about Bill. Yeah. And he even said it. He said, I felt forced to talk about it. And then it makes him look bad.

1:54:18 Like, oh, you just got took down Bill Cosby, that kind of thing. And he even alluded to in the stand-up that Bill Cosby was Teflon. So even speaks more to my, like, why was he allowed to be taken down like this? Not saying he shouldn't, but I'm just curious how that happened. So we have a part two to the Rogan and Hannibal clip. But so that was the thing where instead of just having this show that I was able to, it was this energy around it, you know, in 2005, July, like, yeah, early 2005. It was this energy around it. Where if I was going to do press around that time, they were definitely going to.

1:55:01 What year was it? This was 2015, two years ago. I said 2005. Sorry. Yeah, 2015. And that show in Philly was October 2014. So, yeah, it just kind of really affected the energy around it as far and my want and eagerness to do a lot of press just because I knew that was going to come up. Yeah, and I was just like, I was. So that was that. I'm not saying that that's the reason my show's not on anymore at all. Just before people were like, your show sucked. That's why I said.

1:55:42 And he had the awareness, self-awareness to say, if I go out here, you know, I'm doing all the Lettermans and all, you know, all these shows, and then I keep getting asked, so about Bill Cosby, so about Bill Cosby, so about Bill Cosby. That's how you get your coon card real quick. So he's making that calculation. You can hear in his voice that he didn't really say that, but he understands that this could clearly be perceived as a butter biscuit of here your show for taking Bill down. Which I'm saying, I don't think that's for one for one season and then it was gone. And then for him to be on it, take a man's word for him to be on his fourth production deal.

1:56:28 You know what I'm saying? Obviously, he was maybe he did a lot of writing for people and he was funny like that. And on the other hand, though, is I've never heard of this guy before. And now you're taking down. Well, he does have a resume. He does. I mean, I'm just saying. Looking at it. What I mean is on my consciousness, my entertainment radar. I'm like, who is Hannibal Bird? So it seemed very opportunistic. That's the point I'm trying to highlight: this person I never heard of. And it's a lot of comedians that do a lot of work and a lot of writing behind the scenes that you never actually hear of. So I'm not saying he's not talented. That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is you put two and two together.

1:57:11 It could look to be four, right? Like, okay, you did the Cosby joke, you get a show. Wow. Like that looks fishy, which I'm not saying that's happened, but I'm just saying this is how the ball got rolling. But now we get to why it actually could take hold. Bill did himself no favors after the Cosby show. In the old days, you couldn't hook your school because behind every drawn shade was an eye. And before your mother got off the bus into the house, she knew exactly where you had gone, who had gone into the house.

1:57:55 Parents don't know that today. I'm talking about these people who cry when the sun is standing there in an orange. suit? Where were you when he was two? Where were you when he was 12? Where were you when he was 18? And how come you don't know he had a pistol? These are not, these are not political criminals. These are people going around stealing Coca-Cola. People getting shot in the back of the head over a piece of pound cake.

1:58:39 And then we all run out and we're outraged. Oh, the cop shouldn't have shot him. The hell was he doing with the pound cake in his hand? All right, so I don't know the pound cake reference. That's, I don't know it either. Oh, really? Obviously, yeah, I don't know where he. I don't. This is the famous pound cake speech. This was the beginning of the end of Bill Cosby. When you start talking in terms of these people, we got to look at the timing. This was May 2004 when he gave this speech. And then all of a sudden, this case comes back up with the woman and it's a civil case.

1:59:21 You know what I'm saying? That's when the civil case first started. So it's like I don't know what was going on with Bill, but when you start using words of these people and making the appearance that people are robbing each other for Coca-Cola and shooting each other back in the head for a piece of cake, we've talked about this numerous times on the show about the drug epidemic and the crime bill and all these things that played into it. Yeah, it's like, had Bill never seen the wire or something that he just felt this was what it was? Well, this Bill is true blue bullet. It's like, pull yourself up by your own bootstraps. I didn't ask anybody for any favors. Did it on my own? That kind of attitude.

2:00:06 And what happens is he lost timing with the quote-unquote community, which is a real thing. Because once you lose that connectivity, that tether, and I'll give you an example: Oprah, she was very anti-hip-hop. But Oprah was wise enough to read the tea leaves and say, you know what? I need to make good with hip-hop. I need to go sit down with Jay-Z in Brooklyn. You know what I'm saying? And make good with hip-hop because you're against hip-hop. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's a whole lot. No, then you ain't black. That's right. That's true. And the funny thing is, and the funny thing is, Bill Cosby was very accepting of hip-hop, especially on his show.

2:00:50 The early iteration of it, like the breakdance and that kind of thing. He had episodes that kind of played into that. He even brought several rappers in on Different World, which was another choice he is. Oh, yeah. He followed up the coffee show. So it wasn't like he was anti-hip-hop. He was pro-black excellence, as they would say, or respectability. And it's like, this guy, we got to get out of here. So that's the pound cake speech. It's a second part if you want to listen to it before we get to the point. No, I do. I do. I do. Brown versus the Board of Education is no longer the white person's problem. We've got to take the neighborhood back.

2:01:32 We've got to go in there. This is right around the corner. It's standing on the corner. It can't speak English. It doesn't want to speak English. I can't even talk the way these people talk. Why you ain't where you are to go wild fast. I don't know who these people are. And I blamed the kid until I heard the mother talk. And then I heard the father talk. This is all in the house. Everybody knows it's important to speak English, except these knuckleheads.

2:02:12 You can't land the plane with why you ain't where I'm hungry. You can't be a doctor with that kind of crap coming out of your mouth. Why can't you hit the streets? Why can't you clean it out yourself? It's our time now, ladies and gentlemen. It is our time. And I have good news for you. It's not about money. It's about you doing something that ordinarily we do. It isn't somebody else's business. It's time for you to not accept this language that these people are speaking, which will take them nowhere. What the hell good is Brown versus the Board of Education if nobody wants it?

2:02:58 Do you know the setting of this speech where? What the who the audience was? This was at the 50th anniversary of the Brown versus Board of Education Supreme Court decision. Boulet. Very bule. Very, very bullet. And he even referred to a person as it. He said it. Well, so. Yeah, okay. This is wow. That makes. So not only, I mean, it proves that he was quite removed from life. And for a long time, language didn't just wake up and, oh, they talk like this?

2:03:41 I mean, this is well, like I said, he, you got to look at it from 1986 when Cosby came on until he went off television. That was a total change of black culture or the perception of black culture. And by the way, I also think he probably really means well. He's like, hey, come on, people. What the hell's going on? This isn't about money. We need to shape our, get our crap together. But that's really from a very, very, I'll just say, privileged standpoint. I mean, have you really looked at what's going on, Bill?

2:04:19 That's the thing. That's the thing. Like, he was very tone deaf, but some of the things he's saying is true. But at the same time, are you saying it to help people? Or are you making it us and them? And if you're making this us and them, the bule is a very small part of society in general. You know, the ruling class is always going to be smaller than the, you know, the general population of the prison term. So by the same token, while I hear people laughing, they probably like, yeah, Bill, you know, it's like, that was really funny, Bill. That was great.

2:05:02 But let's not do too much of that because we don't really want people to actually better themselves. Of course, we don't want them to get a clue. 2004, who what happened in 2008? Obama. Instantaneously, when Bill gets taken away, that creates a power vacuum in some kind of way. And then nothing but narrative. Obama became the American dad. Oh, yeah, totally. With mom jeans. Right. That's what I'm saying. Like, he became the new American dad, right? Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. So that power vacuum was real.

2:05:43 And like I said, Bill did himself no favors by how he treated, you heard Hannibal Burris, by how he spoke about him. And then we have another comedian, D.L. Hewley, gives an account of their interaction. You had a situation when Bill Cosby called it. Sure. Can you talk about that? Well, I was, but then I got, so then I was doing Kiss FM here. Right after CNN, I was doing Kiss FM. I was doing the morning show. Bill Cosby had called in to promote a gig I think he was having in Connecticut or Pennsylvania. And I was like, Bill don't like me, and I don't particularly care for him.

2:06:23 So I'm not going to, you know, I'll let you guys do the interviews for pre-tape. And so a girl named Jackie Reed and a cat named Steve Wilson, who were my co-hosts, started interviewing me, but he was such a dick. I find like for five minutes, he's been such a dick. I was like, Mr. Cosby, what is it you'd like for us to know? He said, who is this? He said, I said, this is Deal Hugh. D.L. Hughley, you say nigga, and I don't like your comedy. And then he went in, and I was like, with all due respect, Mr. Cosby, I say nigga, but no co-ed has ever woke up drugged with her jaws on backwards. Boy. I'm sure he said that. Well, we'll never know, but it seems that on the

2:07:09 comedic circuit, especially the black comedic circuit, this was common knowledge. This one said we can't absolve Bill of anything because Hannibal Byrd said it. D-Leo Hewley said it very flippantly as well. The way he delivers it, like it's well, it's why I know that, you know, women get sleepy around you. So we can't say, we can't, that's why I said I'm not absolving Bill of anything. The first segment of the show was just to show the miscarriage of justice that happened. And if it can happen to him, it can happen to anybody. The second part I'm going to show is that you don't piss on people on the way up.

2:07:50 Because you might need those people to stand in your defense. You know what I'm saying? And I'm going to say this: DL Hughley, I think him and Bill Cosby are fraternity brothers in Omega South Phi. I think I'm going off memory here. D.L. D.L. Hughley is a show by himself because he was really big, and then all of a sudden he's doing podcasts and he's wearing funky hats. And I'm not quite sure what that guy's deal is. Well, he's a political operative now. Okay, that explains whenever they need him to push. I mean, and he's in one of those big markets. And I always reference back to the black radio. And in this clip, he's talking about their interaction on the black radio.

2:08:30 I think he's out in LA and one of the big quote-unquote urban stations in LA. So you can tell he's a political operative because when it comes to black and brown relations and the fact that's in LA, which has a large black and brown listening, he's very tepid how he handles that topic. So he's very D. And the D and DL Hughes stand for Democrat for sure, for sure. Got it, got it, got it. So let's just listen to him and his interaction with Cosby on part two. And we go back and forth and back and forth. I said, I respect. You could be my son. I said, but I'm not.

2:09:10 And I said, everything you are, you are because of your experiences. And I appreciate that, but you're not going to denigrate what I've been through. And I said, no one has ever, out of all the words people have ever said to me, no one's ever said rape. No one's ever said it. We had this argument, right? And so I worked the KG, the Hot 107, excuse me, Kiss FM was owned by Emma's Bill Cos Bill Cosby, like that tape will never air. This is a true story. He said, give me, that tape is not going to air. And I said, the fuck it ain't. And 10 minutes later, all the people from Edis came down, Emma's Communications, took the tape, asked, made sure nobody had a copy of it, said if it ever airs, if this airs, nobody in here will work on radio again.

2:09:54 So I know that that cat had the power to make people do shit like that. This was 2009, right? 2009. So this was way before Hannibal Barbara. But even before that, even if you read Time and Newsweek, in the very back of the paper, it talked about all these rape allegations. I grew up in LA and did warm up for a lot of those shows. Everybody knew it. Everybody knew it. Like Cliff Huxtable is innocent. But Bill Cosby fucked every one of them girls. But the dude, the character, is innocent. The dude ain't. And I don't even think that cats like that thought it was necessarily a wrong thing to do.

2:10:30 They just kind of thought it's what you did. You gave some people dope and they did this. They knew what the deal was. So I wasn't one of those cats who believed he was innocent just because he was funny. Huh. Emma. Interesting. I think he summarized a lot of feelings that Cliff Huxtable innocent. Bill Cosby, a lot of smoke. When there's a lot of smoke, they got to be some fire. But how do you separate the two? How do you remove a large segment of your childhood? And I'm not talking about what the show, but we're talking about before with television, how to enter, it played into the family.

2:11:14 Eight o'clock Thursday, you knew where you were going to be at. You're going to be in the living room. The dish was going to be washed. You know what I'm saying? Everything. You're ready for that show to come on. And it's like you live vicariously through that family. And it inspired a lot of people to go to college and even the show Different World. Just a little, just a little inside baseball on me. Dwayne Wade was, I mean, Dwayne Wayne was a huge inspiration for me to be smart and cool. It's like you never saw that on TV before. Right. I can see that, you know,

2:11:52 and funny. Okay, yeah, I can see that. So how do you take now? How do you remove how do you carve out that out of your memory? This is why this was a struggle for a lot of people. It's like, but at the same time, it's like, Bill, 60, 70 women, like, it got to be one or two. It could be interesting. It could be part of a binary two-part kind of MK Ultra thing. And I think so because it's hard to reconcile with this. Well, yeah, it confuses your brain to a huge degree.

2:12:34 Interesting. Well, I mean, and what I'm saying is maybe there's a part two that can be used or it's a continuing program. Just taking that as a possibility. I'm not saying that that's what it is. Well, let's go ahead and listen to DL's last clip. clip, and then we'll get into maybe some MK connections. So, what did you specifically hear? Did you ever have one of the girls approach you in this situation? Yes, it was always in his life. I'll never forget. I ain't gonna say this cat's name, but when they were doing either the, it was a show that came out Different World. He was a cat who was a stage manager there, and they had let him

2:13:20 direct one of the shows. He had to direct one of those shows, but he was a stage manager, and he was late. And that man made that other one black Bill Cosby made that black man sit down there like he was a child on the floor, like a child. I was like, What is this shit right here? Made him do that in front of me. So, I've never had this kind of image that was kind of inundated with the idea that because he was a staggeringly talented cat, that he was incapable of doing some of the shit people accuse him of. Well, I mean, Bill Cosby's always seemed to have like sort of a beef with a lot of other black comedians. Bill Cosby tried to

2:14:02 this is what people don't understand. When people say that you wouldn't be if it wasn't for Bill Cosby, if Bill Cosby had owned NBC, Bill Cosby, he sat on the board of Warner Brothers, he time Warner, he tried to stop HBO from happening. He hated it. So, all the comics you know, love and respect from the Chappelles to the Martins to the Tuckers to the Def Jam to the Kings of Comedy. He tried to stop from happening. That's just true. I'm not trying to sell his character. That's absolutely true. Oh, my God. I've forgotten all about that. I remember when he was so big that he owned all this stuff, and he was a huge shareholder, and he had power at NBC. It was crazy. This is good. Thanks for coming. He tried to stop HBO, which would have stopped Def Jam.

2:14:47 Deaf Comedy Jam, sure. Yeah, which was like the catapult for hip-hop. Hip-hop comedy. No Martin. Martin was the heir apparent to him. I mean, like, all this is connected because, and I've mentioned this before, that eight o'clock Thursday time slot, something's magical about that with Black America. I don't know what it is because it was Cosby owned it first, then he went away, and then Martin fell into that time slot. That was let me just give you an opposite side just for a second. And, you know, I know that you're getting, you're ramping up towards something here, but what if,

2:15:32 what if Cosby saw it right and he saw the abuse that was coming down the pike with hip-hop and the records and, you know, let's just call it general trauma-based entertainment. What if he saw that coming down the pike? And what he was trying to do was say, people, stop. You got to stop this. This is crazy. We're going to annihilate ourselves. And maybe that's what he was saying in the way it came out: Cosby wanted to stop Deaf Comedy Jam. I'm not agreeing. I'm not disagreeing with you because I think he saw it right too. Yeah. But it was my, not the issue I had with the whole how to listen because it's seek first to understand and to be understood.

2:16:17 And this is the role of an elder to say, oh, I remember when I was the age once and I was doing what was that? Uptown Saturday night with Sidney Poitier. And he has, I mean, Bill wasn't the squeakiest clean person. That's the thing. It's like, it's the hypocrisy. If you were like squeaky clean, okay, then you can, you know, have the high ground. But you look, you watch him with Sammy and Hefner on Playboy at Night, you know, back in the early 70s or something, late 60s. Yeah, those cats had it going on, man. You could tell it was swinging. That was great. And that's the thing. It's like, Bill, you've been where we were at.

2:17:01 Yeah. You see, and it's that seek first to understand, then to be understood. That's where Bill's undoing was that he didn't stay tied in with, you know what I'm saying, the younger comics being like, you know what? Let me show you a trick so you don't have to use so many cuss words. Right. Because that's the thing. Let me show you how timing that kind of is the transfer of knowledge and that stuff you can't pay for. But he was like, no, I'm going to have it my way. Well, they're all my picks. And they're perfect and pure. There are also choices you make as you get older. You know, where I turned 57 in a couple of days. And I'm not, it's like now I'm on the other side. side, right?

2:17:45 So now it's, I one day will be old and be meant to cleaned up and swept under the carpet. And so you can, you can point at the next generation coming along, which I see is older millennials 28, 29, and say, you're doing it wrong. Or, you know, like, well, here's a path and go develop and, you know, and don't try to micromanage language, which, of course, is what comedy, a lot of what comedy is about. Can you get the door for just a second? Because I think we need to see we had to have a conversation inside conversation. Not a problem. Okay. All right. Just us now. All right. All right.

2:18:25 Just this. You could have been the Bill Cosby to me by saying, hey, young man, this is how podcasting is done. And if you can't stick to a certain day every week at a certain time, you know, you're going to fail and I'm going to not do business with you. You know, that kind of thing, right? But you were like, hey, the proof is in the pudding. This is what, you know, this is what I'm saying. Like, you could have took that, I know everything because I'm the pod father kind of thing, kind of tone, where you're like, no, no, you kind of let me feel my way through it. And it made me earn the respect to you because, like, okay, this, I'm talking to the podfather here.

2:19:05 If he's saying we need to be on a schedule, you know what I'm saying? Like, who am I? But it's the approach. So I just want to say that it's the approach. You know, if you, the way you come, especially when you're coming at younger people, I mean, you already got a chip on your shoulder. I mean, luckily, we're two mature men, you know, but these guys, 20s, best, and you're coming in, oh, that'll never work. You know, I hate hip-hop. No, turn out to music, that kind of thing. So I just wanted to just have that conversation right quick. Okay, right. Got it. Got it. Well, and thank you. I'm glad that I'm glad that you see it that way. And I think that, yeah, approaches everything. No doubt about it. But of course, I also don't have a seat on the board at NBC.

2:19:49 I'm not worth $2 billion. Not yet. All right. Doors open again. We're working on it. Not yet. Thanks. We're working on it. You're still a young man. I will get you there by the time. I'm hanging on. I'm hanging on. But since you brought up Playboy, we got to look into this relationship with Playboy, Bill Cosby, and Hugh Hefner. So let's look at Hugh Hefner's bedroom antics. Guys, Holly Madison's juicy memoir, Down the Rabbit Hole, Curious Adventures and Cautionary Tales of a Former Playboy Bunny, reveals secrets from behind the closed gates of the Playboy Mansion. Not surprisingly, the tell-all is stirring the pot with Hugh Hefner, but his former number one girlfriend is not done talking.

2:20:33 Check out what Holly says Hef used to do to pit the girlfriends against each other. It's our Toyota people pick of the day. There's so many interesting things revealed. Some of those things were Heff's kind of rules, the things he liked, didn't like. So you've revealed some very explicit details here about your first sexual encounter with Hugh Hefner. You were offered Kwaludes. You said no. You ended up drinking a lot to kind of make it through the night. He wanted you to put on a show of sorts as well as the other girls. What's the bottom line here? Do any of the girlfriends really love Hef and the kinds of sort of rituals or these sort of games or requirements that are sort of put on all of them in the bedroom?

2:21:13 You know, when I first moved in, there were six other girls, and it just seemed like everybody wanted to get all that kind of thing over with very quickly and didn't really seem into it. How much about your past are you going to let your daughter know about? Or do you want to read this book eventually? You had to be thinking about that as you were revealing some of these things, but she's going to see this and know this. Yeah, one day when Rainbow's old enough, she'll definitely be able to read the book. And I'm very proud of the book. And even though there's some uncomfortable things for me in there, it's something I'm proud of sharing my story. And I hope that other people can learn from it. Learn from it. So we see quite a little bit. Kwaludes. Yeah, interesting. But it's amazing.

2:21:56 Hugh Hefner, American icon. No taking around with, yeah, no taken down. 16, 17. I mean, well, excuse me. Allegedly, 17, 18-year-old girls coming in and out of the mansion. Like I said, it was America's whorehouse. For good or bad, it is what it is. You know what I'm saying? I mean, we're not, but we have to call it what it is. We have these allegations coming out of these rituals that she called it. And oh, he was fun. We love you. Isn't that amazing? So now we're going to go over to. Is there anything you want to say on that? No, no, I'm part of it. Dude, you brought the Kwaludes clip from Hefner.

2:22:38 I mean, that was impressive. impressive. A good one. All right, so let's get deeper into Bill Cosby and Hugh Hefner. This is Mark Ebner, who is a Hollywood reporter and sleuth. So we got to be serious. This is the lip TV. Honestly, I want to get a few more points out because it's really important. You know, along the line of the Kwaluds and that sort of thing. People have been asking, you know, there's no proof he raped anybody. Show us the prescription pills. Show us the, you know, the blood evidence. Show us this and show us that. I'm not believing these women for starters. But beyond that, if you want to trace the

2:23:20 if you want to follow the trail of drugs, Bill Cosby, I think you need look no further than the Playboy Mansion. And you Hefner, who I think has been quoted as saying, as calling Kwaluds, what was it, thigh openers? Yeah. I think that's the quote. I also would look even closer into the mansion and look at his personal physician, Mark Saginar. Is that guy dead yet, by the way? I don't think so, but I'm not sure. He probably should be. But regardless, this guy, you know, put that together that he not only had his personal physician on call

2:24:04 quite possibly for date rape drugs whenever he wanted them. And I'm talking about Hefner and I'm talking about Cosby and I'm talking about any other of these hangar-ons at the Playboy Mansion. You know, it's starting to make sense that you would probably look no further than Mark Saginar's prescription pad. Oh my. How about that? And then the name Mark Saginar pops up, a National Inquirer story, which, as we know from Men in Black, is real. And there it is, expose Bill Cosby's cronies who enabled his twisted crimes.

2:24:46 Even his former TV co-star Jimmy JJ Walker is now calling Bill Cosby the OJ Simpson of the comedy world. And that was the pylon. Like you had co-stars on the show. Right. Yeah, exactly. Everybody just started piling on. Probably rightfully so. Like I said, with this much smoke, it has to be some fire there. And just as I would mention Martin Lawrence before, it's a very interesting person that accused Bill Cosby of this crime that got no press. Lark Voorhees. Are you familiar with Lark Voorhees?

2:25:28 Lisa Turtle from Save by the Bill. No. No, I don't know anything. And she had a complete meltdown in front of everybody. She was the black girl on Save by the Bill, which was another one of my childhood shows. And when I go back and look at her and what happened to her, she clearly suffers from some kind of multiple personality kind of thing going on, which could easily be DID. But she had always thrown up the 360s hand sign and the all-uminate Illuminati hand signs in the Save by the Bill ads. Oh, wow. So it's like, wow. But nobody gave her the time of day to speak about it because they wanted to be white women being attacked by Bill Cosby.

2:26:08 Schizo affective disorder. Yes, I had a whole set of clips that go down the rabbit hole. Maybe another time for another day. But it was fascinating that she didn't get any press, but her meltdown was covered in the media. But they never connected her to Cosby. And I just found that interesting. A glaring mision, excuse me. Yeah. So you want to hear more from Mark Ebner? Yeah. This is good. Let's go. Let's go. Then I would look even deeper. And I've been saying this for a long time. I can't wait for a journalist more savvy than I am to start looking into the death of the playmate, Paige Young, who died of an accidental overdose of,

2:26:55 yeah, barbiturates. It's something's something doesn't smell right, and it's coming out of the Playboy Mansion. Okay, but here's the thing. First of all, there was like some references to Hefner and what had happened there and Bill Cosby, and then Hefner somehow definitely steered the publicity away from there, away from the mansion. But secondly, just because people were taking Kwaludes in the 70s at the Playboy Mansion isn't evident. I certainly was. I was taking Kwaludes in the 70s. So I have no doubt that these quote-unquote thigh openers were probably.

2:27:34 at one time Bill Cosby's knockout drug of choice. Well, it's interesting theory, but I mean, you know, the idea that you automatically can, I mean, in court of law, you can't associate the fact that he purchased Kwaluds with the fact that these women were given them involuntarily. I mean, I think that's the missing link from the reports that we're seeing on Cosby. And the idea that he said in a deposition that he used them and he used them with women to have sex isn't the same as an admission that he gave them to them without their consent. Oh, yeah. The Paige Young thing. I remember looking at this. I mean, she overdosed.

2:28:14 I think she shot herself in the head. Well, on an American flag with a pentagram, you know, all kinds of weird stuff. And like, Hugh Hefner is the devil. That was her parting shot. Yeah, well, maybe she got something there. Why? How is it that Hugh Hefner's able to steer the attention away from him? Like, don't look over here. Oh, well, that's easy. Hugh Hefner has the goods on a lot of powerful people. You want to screw? He might be the Epstein of his time. Yes. Exactly. You want to screw with Heff? No, that was not a good idea. Well, there's something deeper there with Heff, but we're going to get to it.

2:29:00 So we got Hefner. We got Kwalus, aka thought openers being passed around like candy. But my question is this: who the hell is still making Kwaludes? I don't know if they are. Are they still being made? They have to be. He's getting them prescribed to him. They're probably under a they're probably out of patent. So in a time where we can't get hydroxychloroquine and horsepace. But Bill Cosby can get some daggone vintage. Well, what was it? 74 Kwaluds? Oh, that was a year. Let me get some of those. What? I have never had a Kwalud, so I really wouldn't know. What I'm saying is who's making them?

2:29:44 They always want to stop at Bill. Okay, who wrote the prescription? Notice on the Bill Cosby side, I mean, on the Michael Jackson side, well, this is the doctor. There's an interesting, right? There's an interesting article here I'll put in the show notes from the BBC titled The Rise and Fall of Kwaludes, which is actually a trade name. It's methaqualone, is the actual drug, first synthesized in 1951 in India. Germany and Japan were the first big markets where the drug racked up an extensive record of addiction and abuse. In the UK, it was known as Mandrax, a name still used in South Africa. Doctors were essentially giving them out like candy, says Justin Gass, author of the book about the drug.

2:30:27 It was very easy to obtain Qualudes in the mid to late 70s and early 80s. And one of Pop Culture's most famous quotes: Another Kwalu, you love me in the morning. What was Scarface really saying? Right. Hmm. This thing is to make you say, hmm, you know, what, what? And no, everybody. Oh, oh, oh, I know. So then it became Rufenol. Oh, yeah. Rufies. Rufies. Which is another problematic drug. Who's making this stuff? Like with Michael Jackson, we know the doctor who gave it to him. Bill Cosby, nobody except this guy, Ebner, even mentions the name of the doctor.

2:31:12 Right. Okay. Now we have the doctor who's still manufacturing these thought openers. It's a clear, I mean, like I said, in the scope of how we see medical and pharmaceuticals now, how they can deem something that's bad. Well, no, it's only bad when they can't make a lot of money on it because they don't have the patent. You see, right? What's saying, like, who? Bill Cosby wasn't the only one getting like, they wasn't whipping up a special batch for him. Maybe they was. Maybe he had that much money. He's like, hey, I need you to fire out the machines. No, it's going to be a busy weekend. But just to show you Bill Cosby's connection with

2:31:55 a black celebrity and then his connection with the Playboy Mansion, we have John Sally here, Bad Boy fame, not Bad Boy the movie, but Bad Boy. Well, he wasn't Bad Boy the Movie 2, but Bad Boy's Detroit Pistons and the Chicago Bulls, famous basketball player. He's going to give his take on Bill Cosby and the Playboy Mansion. So you just asked me about Bill Cosby. Let me just say this one thing about Bill Cosby. I don't know. I miss Doc. And he taught me a lot of things. He always. always had wise things to say for me. You guys knew each other? Yeah, man. Really? I became really cool with him in 1989. We're both in the same fraternity, Omega Sci-Fi Incorporated. Okay. And

2:32:41 every year I would see him. I'd go to the Playboy Jazz Festival. I sit there and he'd give me jewels. And he would talk about things, talk about things. He also was isolated and put it to a point. And I also know the time of the time they were saying all that was going on. And people wanted to look at his wife. He got kicked out of his house for like two years when he was hosting the tonight show for Johnny Carson. Johnny was going through his depression, and Bill Cosby was hosting the tonight show and living at the Playboy Mansion. I didn't know that. Yeah, so his wife kicked him up. Yeah, man. Okay. Like, this is the trip. When they hit you up with all of this that we see now, it has to move fast. And no one does research. And they

2:33:24 crucified him and they used the way. I'm not knowing if he's right or wrong. I'm just telling you, according to what Time Magazine or Newsweek magazine had all the women's heads and sitting there, people were yelling out. There was a ton of things happening saying this dude was at this point and he was guilty and it was at and was going down and down and down. Wow. Living at the Playboy Mansion. Oh, hell yeah. Well, Johnny Carson was married 20 times. I'm just saying that that doesn't job well with the image of Bill Cosby. No.

2:34:02 And this is all news to me. I didn't know he was that connected to Bill Cosby until I started to the Playboy Mansion and Hugh Heffner until I started doing the show research for the show. And this was not the original path. Did you watch any of the actual YouTube videos of the Playboy After Dark with Cosby? Well, I didn't watch that, but I do have an ad for the Playboy Jazz Fest in 2011. Let me set this up right quick. So, Bill, I mean, Half is sitting with one of his beauties, and Bill is looking like you know, he's older now. And he, and he's like, well, let's listen to the clip. So, we have Hugh, a beautiful woman, and Bill, and listen to the transaction or the conversation they have.

2:34:53 This festival of the Playboy Jazz Festival, June 11th and 12th. Your words: What do you know it will be? It'll be a grand party, the party of the year, an unforgettable weekend, and a long history of jazz. Thank you, my pleasure, Bill. All right, love you. Thank you. I love you. Take care. I wish you had a present for me. Well, I do. You're going to be present. Really surprised. Thank you. My pleasure. Thank you. All right. Party party. Party party.

2:35:36 Half told me I was with you. Get it now. What were we seeing there? So basically. That was the present. Yes. So the present was he was asking for a girl. Yeah. He's like, oh, I wish you brought me a present. Half's I had something for you. And then Granny comes in, an old lady. You know what I'm saying? But I'm just going to show how they talk about women. It's like, oh, you got a present for me? Oh, you know, yeah. That kind of thing. So this is 2011. Wait, wait, wait. No.

2:36:19 2011 Jazz Fest from YouTube. Yes. Are you sure about it? The blurb on the show says Bill Cosby, Hugh Hefner, and Playboy mate Crystal McCall. Oh, okay. McKay Hills, McKay Hill, talk about the 2011 Playboy Jazz Fest Festival. Granny joins in on the fun, the party of the summer. The Bachelor guy just got canceled for less. I'm sorry, the Jeopardy host, the executive producer who was going to start hosting it. And they went back and found some podcast from 2010. Exactly. And we have Hugh Heffner and Bill Cosby talking about presents in 2011.

2:37:04 This is five, six years. Ain't that crazy? Ain't that convenient? Yeah. Ain't that convenient? But it is still on YouTube to this day. Wow. Very interesting. So that's what money will get you. Right. And not even money, but you understand money and power and letters. leverage. Speaking of money, we like new money. I like brand new money. I just, I don't want any money around me. It's not. I'd almost rather have a new one than an old 20. That's kind of dumb, isn't it? But there's something about new money that excites you. You like $100 bills? Oh, yeah. I like old money too.

2:46:07 your dollars, your fiat fun coupons, your cuckbox, all welcome at mofax.com. Directly to our donation page at mofundme.com. Thank you all very much. So now we've made the connection with Bill Cosby in the Playboy Mansion and Hugh Hefner. We got to look and see how America remembered the complicated legacy of Hugh Hefner. Remembering the very influential life of Hugh Hefner. He made his network television debut in 1956 on CBS. Speaking to Mike Wallace, Hefner defended the image of Playboy magazine. Sex always will be an important part of the book because sex is probably the single thing that

2:46:53 men are most interested in. All of this, I think that you'll agree. It's a sniggering kind of sex. It's a lascivious kind of sex. It certainly isn't a healthy approach to sex. We get that it is. I would not only suggest that I would say it rather strongly. We considered it a pretty healthy end. Well, by the 1970s, Playboy had more than 7 million readers. Wow. And Hefner was certainly a household name. He'd been built an empire on the simple idea that sex is important to people. With us from Los Angeles, Matt is Matt Bellany. He's editorial director of the Hollywood Reporter. Good morning to you, Matt. Good morning. Well, he certainly changed the magazine culture. He changed the American sex culture, if you will. But that came with some controversy. Back in the day, there were a lot of protests about how women were portrayed in the magazine.

2:47:36 What do the critics say today about the legacy that he's left? I think it's a very complicated legacy because, on the one hand, Playboy was criticized. It was the first major mainstream magazine to feature nude women. And it was in the context of politics and lifestyle and all these other things, but it was essentially a naked women magazine. And, you know, people like Gloria Steinem at the time, very opposed, said Playboy could fill a book with what it doesn't know about women. Gloria Steinem. One of our friends from many, many, many episodes of MoFax. Yes. And Gloria Steinem was backed by the CIA to be placed into 17 magazines.

2:48:20 She reported to the CIA. I mean, she was CIA. Right. So, if that case, who's to say that Hugh Hefner wasn't CIA? Because he did make his debut as, as the commentator said, on CBS. What do you call CBS? The Central Intelligence Broadcasting System. And guess who Hugh Hefner's cousin is? George Bush. You're kidding me. I kid you not. There's an article. You can put it in the show notes of CBS

2:48:57 Hefner Odd Cousin. Yes. So now we have these two people popping up with magazines around about the same time, exploring sexuality, women's sexuality. And I just find it fascinating that we have Gloria Steinem commenting on Hugh Hefner. And Hugh Hefner is remembered as a complicated legacy. Now, he's been known to have spread around his own share of thigh openers. No big deal. That's just Hugh being Hugh. You understand? Now you understand.

2:49:36 Like, will you look at it, right? But again, but again, if he was indeed a kind of Epstein and he had the goods on everybody, he had big protection. So, you know, and you're really convincing me that Hefner may have had that kind of role. So yes, yes, I agree. I agree what you're saying. Yes. You know, they're saying on the surface level. Yeah, yeah, on the surface. Yeah, yeah. You hear the news stories and you hear, well, Bill's locked down, you know what I'm saying? Doing a three to ten up the river. And Hughes is saying there's a smoking jacket, you know what I'm saying? Flanked by three beautiful blondes. That's just like, how's that work out? Well, pretty good for the white guy. It sounds like it did.

2:50:19 Let's continue on with Hugh Hefner's complicated legacy. But on the other hand, it was filled with progressive politics. And it was one of the few magazines that they interviewed MLK and they interviewed Mohammed Ali. And they did a lot of articles that were very progressive in the politics. They were pro-choice at a time when not many outlets were openly so. And they were very pro-First Amendment. And these causes that the culture sort of caught up to, but Playboy was doing it at a time in the 50s, 60s, 70s when it wasn't that accepted from big national magazines like that. When I was growing up, there were two magazines you collected. One was Playboy, and the other was the National Geographic.

2:51:00 Two very different. Matt, what happens going forward? We know that his son Cooper is going to be taking over the magazine. Circulation has dropped significantly, as have many industry magazines as well. How does the magazine and the brand go forward in the digital age? It's a tough road. Recently, Cooper Hefner, Hughes' son, has assumed control of the brand. But the magazine, they have gone through a rocky tenure with multiple editors. They got rid of nude pictures. Then they brought them back. They have a very lucrative licensing business where the Playboy brand is very meaningful around the world. But in the U.S., they really have struggled. And the culture has sort of gone beyond Playboy.

2:51:44 They have to figure out a way to make the Playboy brand relevant in today's media and cultural environment. Of course, everyone will remember that iconic Playboy Bunny that founded, right? Matt, thank you so much. Thank you. Okay. Two things. One, I think that's Charlie Rose who was channeling. Oh, Charlie loves Himster Hugh, boy. Right. So, you know, Charlie, you know, he got his own take. takedown. The only, you know, and with white men, it's always like he's a sad, pathetic old man holding his robe open in front of young girls. So, you know, his own separate type of takedown. But what I thought interesting was he said something there that I'd like to know your perspective on.

2:52:28 He said, when I was a kid, we saved two kinds of magazines, Playboy Magazine and National Geographic, to which all the female hosts on the show go, ha, ha, that's a very different kind. But I know what I know what Charlie meant. And I'm curious how this was for you. We like National Geographic for a short time. I'm talking, yeah, we're like 12. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because you see, boobies, there were boobs in that thing, baby. That's why. And they were all black boobs, too. But that never mattered to us. Black and brown boobs. Right. There were no white boobs in the magazine, but we were just as interested in the boobs, no matter what the color they were.

2:53:09 Just saying. And a not discussed fact of American male pubescence. You gave me insight on that because I was wondering, like, who collects National Geographic? I thought he was going to say like Mad Magazine or something like that. But when you say the booby part, I do agree. That was the first thing you try to find when you went to the doctor's office. Exactly. Exactly. But notice that it was exciting for the white boys as well as the black and brown boys. And even though all the boobs were of color. And let's take it all black and white for a minute.

2:53:48 Let's just go Hugh Hefner versus Larry Flint, I believe his name is. The Hustler. Yep. Larry had a very hard time with the government for trying to do a similar thing. Much worse than Hugh Hefner. So why? I mean, it's kind of like the Plansky thing. It's like, why certain people have hard times and then other people have a pass? But let's just not go down. I just wanted to bring that up as a passing comment. But now we got to go look at the rabbit. So we're going over to the art of awakening. This is where we get to this. This is where we get. Yeah, this is the real. Well, this is the real power of Playboy: this branding.

2:54:29 I'm sure. I'm sure of it. Okay. The rabbit totem spirit. Hey there, this is Christy with Spirit Animal Oracle. And today, I'd like to talk a little bit about the spirit meaning of rabbit. Rabbits, even though it's a pretty small, we think it's a weak animal, it is actually, it can be an incredibly powerful spirit animal, and it has an abundance of meanings. And speaking of abundance, abundance is actually one of rabbits' biggest magic powers, I guess you could say. You know, if you've ever been out in the country in the springtime, you've seen the baby rabbits kind of popping like popcorn right out of the hedges.

2:55:08 They just like they know how to reproduce, and they're legendary for it. And this is really actually, there was a scientific study done by somebody at Miami University, and they estimated they just kind of did the math on rabbits. And their estimate was that at average rates of reproduction, if there was no disease or predation or anything, a single mother rabbit and her female babies could produce over 187 billion offspring in seven years. Rabbits, well, there's a reason they multiply so fast because they're prey.

2:55:46 A lot of things depend on rabbits. And because they are prey, that really brings up some of the other spiritual associations that rabbits has. Sensitivity is one. Then we're going to look at fear, and fear is a huge one for rabbits. So if you're a rabbit person, you're probably going to be challenged by fear. You're going to have a lot of fear stuff coming up and fears to overcome and so forth. Oh, wow. I never even thought about the rabbit's place in the world, but he's basically lunch. Food. Yeah, that's his entire job. Look pretty, cute, be innocent, and be food.

2:56:25 Sounds like a Playboy Bunny to me. But if you look at it and say, okay, rabbit, white rabbit goes to Alice in Wonderland, going down in the rabbit hole. So are you familiar with Gray Slick? I know Gray Slick. I've met her. I've hung out with her and her daughter, Chyna. Okay, so are you aware of their song, the White Rabbit? Yes, of course. Yes. Let's listen to Grace Slick breakdown of White Rabbit. Rabbit.

2:57:07 We were talking about something that was going on at the time, and we liked it. We had a good time. But we were not saying, why don't you guys all go out and take drugs? The only song that talked about drugs as far as Jefferson Starship or Airplane was mine. It was called White Rabbit. And all it was doing was letting my parents and everybody's parents know that they have been reading us books written by British authors. The British had control over the Far East, Middle East, and they had found new drugs, which the writers took and then wrote about.

2:57:43 Alice in Wonderland sitting on a psychedelic mushroom. There is a worm that is going to turn into a butterfly who hands her a piece of this mushroom, and she gets literally high. She grows. And so the parents were down on us for taking drugs. So I was just saying, look, you've been reading us drug books for Peter Parent. He sprinkled some white dust all over everybody. So all of these, the British writers, mainly this stuff hasn't come to America yet or William Care or something. We're talking about how your life will be better if you take a chemical. Like Kwalu's. Yeah. So in the White Rabbit lyrics, there's, I'm going to read a couple of lyrics to you.

2:58:27 It says, and if you go chasing rabbits and you know you're going to fall, that's one lyric of it. And then she goes down and says, when logic and proportion have fallen dead and the white knight is talking backwards and the red queen off with her head. Red Queen. That may be a stretch, but what it says is I believe Playboy and all these things were set up to get rid of logic, proportion, math is racist. And once you get rid of all of these things and get people in an emotional state like they're doing now, like she was saying, use drugs, get kids hooked on drugs.

2:59:07 We have a drug epidemic going on right now that nobody's talking about with fentanyl. I mean, maybe even Rival's Crack and the heroine of the 70s of the 70s. I think these kind of things, Gloria Steinem 17 Magazine, feminism, they were what I think people underestimate magazines, first of all. Magazines, and you could speak more to this, but I know I was at the very end of magazines, the life of magazines. That's something that you look forward to every month to come out, you know, so you could read it and keep up. It was like faster than a book. It was the same as the Cosby show before streaming and, you know, and

2:59:53 the non-linear programming. So you would have to watch on Thursday. Everybody knew where you were. Everybody knew when the new National Geographic was coming out. Everybody knew when the Playboy would hit the stands, of course. It's a shared consciousness, right? Yes, it was. Oh, yeah. So as going back to the totem spirit meaning of the rabbit, she said one rabbit and their offspring could create a billion rabbits, right? So one rabbit, Marilyn Monroe, could create billions of Marilyn Monroe wannabes. One Megan Thee Stallion could create millions of wannabe Megan thee stallions.

3:00:32 They understand, they said, let's use women to push these political ideologies. And on the inverse side of that, we'll have a Gloria Steinem pushing another toxic form of feminism or femininity. Let me say that better word. And they got both sides covered. You know who runs Playboy now, don't you? I don't. I don't. Oh, Christy Ann Hefner. Oh. Heff's daughter. Oh, yeah. And she's woke. And I thought she was, I thought she was gay. I guess I'm wrong about that. Says she's, well, she's divorced. Yeah, I know. And she'd made a lot of changes that people didn't like.

3:01:18 I'm just saying. That was the one place that gods could go to be gods. I mean, the Playboy Mansion was still that. I don't think it has the hay of now because, like you said, with social media, there's really no need for a Playboy Mansion. Instagram is the Playboy Mansion now. I mean, you could procure pretty much Instagram. Oh, yeah, no, it's over. Totally. It's totally over. Totally. But it had its purpose of bringing in a new thought about sexuality. And a case in point of that is Hugh Hefner's relationship with Alfred Kinsey.

3:01:55 One of the virgins in college that read Kinsey Kinsey. and believed him was a guy named Hugh Hefner. Okay. Yeah, so he's in the middle of the day. Hefner was an advocate for me. They've all been diddling around doing all this stuff, and I have been standing here being a nice guy. Forget it. He says, I will be, and I'm quoting him, Kinsey's pamphleteer. I will be Kinsey's pamphleteer. Really? So from there, he began to advocate for changes in law, and he created a magazine called Playboy.

3:02:35 Playboy, which then he said, would reflect what Kinsey had found about human sexuality. In his fraudulent data. In his fraudulent data. America was educated by a pedophile whose work was labeled as science. Just as Darwin was the father of legitimizing evolution, Kinsey was the father of legitimizing the sexual revolution and all that's based upon that today. Sure enough, Hefner was true to his word. Not only did he popularize pornography on a global scale, he also helped legalize it.

3:03:17 Yeah, the Kinsey Report. Of course. Yes. So this is Judith Reisman, and she's been on Kinsey's tail for a very long time now. She's cropped up due to the issue with pornography and porn addiction. And that was from a Kingswork Studio documentary that I pulled that clip from. But as I went and started going back and looking at her, she's been doing this since 1990 and even before on Kinsey. So, I mean, before we get into Kinsey and her take on him, anything you want to say about him or about Kinsey? Oh, yeah. Well, his report was groundbreaking when the first Kinsey report came out about sexuality.

3:04:01 And there's even a TV series, Masters of Sex, I think, that is partially, if not all, about Kinsey. But what was controversial, one of the many controversial things, was the Kinsey scale. And this was, I think it was, let me look here. Yeah, zero to six, where zero was you were completely straight and six, you were homosexual. It's like, you know, you can't really imagine having that scale today in today's woke world. But or could you? See, that's why I love doing the show with you because I thought

3:04:40 it was apropos now. Yeah, right. It's not binary or three or three. No, three on the scale is binary, I guess. Right. So there's grades of gender and sexuality, this gradient across the spectrum. Whereas used to be gay, straight, or bisexual, right? I mean, that was the. Right. Oh, yeah. Well, even bisexual took a while for that one to come in. Right. I'm just saying that I think that fits even more fitting now than even the time it came out. But anyway, there was a lot of controversy about the report. Also, I believe he participated in the study. So there's a lot of issues with it. But could this have been important in this context for

3:05:23 how sexuality was really introduced into the public lexicon? You bet. You bet. So let's go. I have Junior Reisman, Judith, excuse me, doctor, let me put respect to her name, Dr. Judith Reisman. This is 1990, December 5th. She's on the Phil Donahue show. In a nutshell, it's fundamentally all the information on children is based on sexual abuse of 317 infants and children from two months of age to 14 years of age, the majority of them, in fact, under 10 years old.

3:06:00 Yeah, but you can't prove that, Dr. Reisman. And those who preside at the Kinsey Institute today are appalled at the, some might say, libelous charges that you make, not only about the work done by the late Dr. Kinsey, but also by some who follow him. We should also tell you that Indiana University, a very proud, conservative institution of higher learning in America, stands by this institute. And most of the people who survive today who worked with Dr. Kinsey identify him as an honorable man who abused nobody, touched nobody. And not surprising, it was a subject of controversy on the occasion of the publication of his book about men in 1948 and women in 1953.

3:06:45 You can't prove that he abused children. I think that the book establishes that there was abuse that took place without any question. He admitted that. Excuse me. He admitted that in the book. the book. And if, in fact, what did he say that admitted that? Oh, boy, do I. He said he described nine technically trained men. He called them technically trained men who he said were sexually stimulated. He said they had had sexual relationships with young boys and that they were the source of all of his data. Okay. I don't remember that in the TV series. Right. And you hear how Phil Donahue is running protection against For Kinsey.

3:07:29 And it sounds very similar to how Whoopi Goldberg was running interference for Roman Polanski. And yet it's like, oh, you can't prove that. You know, that's kind of. It's even, I mean, not for one way or the other. I mean, we take Wikipedia for what it is, but it's right there in Wikipedia. Was it right there about the children? There it is. I mean, Wikipedia, you know, they like to take stuff off, stuff like this. So I'm just saying it is there. Yeah, he was researching children and short children and observing orgasms in over 300 children aged from two months up to 15 years old.

3:08:10 So how do you, I don't even want to think about it. But I'm just saying now you understand, like, even in 1990, on a, this just for people that went around, Phil Donahue was mainstream daytime television. This is not some obscure, you know, clip. This was on mainstream television in the daytime. And he's clearly running interference for Kinsey and the University of Indiana, which he calls a conservative university. So it's not across a spectrum of liberal conservative either. You want to get into the second clip? Yeah, sure. He described screaming and fainting and convulsions.

3:08:55 He described children who were striking what he called the partner. That was the man who was abusing the children. And then he drew from that conclusion himself, Phil. He drew from that conclusion himself that the children enjoyed the experience. That's blaming the victim. You know what that is. This audience, you are entitled to have me identify my own bias here right at the beginning. Okay. I admire what the sex, what the Kinsey Institute does. I know. I am personally familiar with its director and have worked with her, and she has made a very important contribution to a series that I was proud to have my name on in 1986. And not a few people who support Kinsey, the Kinsey Institute, have questioned your credentials.

3:09:39 Of course they do. I would if I was a private. Mr. Meisman, Phil, happens to be the most repudiated PhD in America. First of all, Phil, sure, her work has been rejected by the Justice Department that ate their $800,000 grant. You're supporting Mies now. Secondly, please, Judith, the American University also rejected her study. The Mies Commission refused to cite it. I don't think you've ever been published, have you, in a scientific journal? Never. Certainly. Never. How about ethology and sociobiology? Is that scientific enough for me? Did you not spend a good deal of time writing music for Captain Kangaroo? Oh, my God.

3:10:23 Wow. They brought her under Take Her Down. Exactly. And yet, all of that that she's saying is reported here with sources in his book. That's why it's in sources, yeah, because he wrote about it exactly in his book. And yet they're like, you're taking him down. It's like, are you not a PhD? You've not even been published. Aren't you writing Captain Kangaroo music? Doesn't it sound very similar to what we're hearing now? Shocking. You're not a real doctor. Where's your credentials? But you see, when the power structure wants to protect somebody, it goes all in.

3:11:05 So now, when you look at the other side, and people want to say, well, we need to protect Bill College because next the net, you know, net net of it is, you know, he was good for black people. Why don't, why, I'm not saying, let me be very clear. I am not saying that. But when you see this and hear this protection of Hugh Hefner, of Kinsey, of whoever, Roman Polanski, we've heard case by case by case by case of protecting these men. But America's dad got to go. Yeah.

3:11:48 It doesn't. doesn't it doesn't make a lot of sense either either all bad or all good he did something he didn't do something right Not in the club. I don't know that's really odd Yeah, I hear what you're saying I hear what you're saying and that's from 1990 so let's go ahead and get up to speed uh with the almanac I think this is CBS Morning on Alfred Kinsey. And now a page from our Sunday morning almanac, June 23rd, 1894, 125 years ago today.

3:12:29 The day sex researcher Alfred Charles Kinsey was born in Hoboken, New Jersey. A trained biologist, Kinsey achieved fame, even notoriety, in the 1940s and 50s with a pair of best-selling books about male and female sexual behavior. Controversial research he defended on scientific grounds. I discovered that there is practically nothing known about human sexual behavior in comparison with what we know about the sexual behavior of other animals.

3:13:06 Kinsey based his eye-opening findings on thousands of personal interviews, training his researchers to first put their subjects at ease, as portrayed in the 2004 film, Kinsey, starring Liam Neeson. If you ease in with innocuous questions, people forget they're giving sex histories. Many of Kinsey's findings and techniques remain controversial, including his occasional reliance on the accounts of admitted child abusers. Still, he's widely hailed as a trailblazer in a previously taboo field. Alfred Kinsey died in 1956 at the age of 62.

3:13:50 Today, the research he pioneered continues at the Kinsey Institute at Indiana University in Bloomington. We should go take a little look-see over there. Research is coming along, Indiana. So there you have it. That's the show on Bill Cosby and his counterparts. My final thoughts on this whole situation, I think they were all into some kinky, even criminal sexual behavior, but it was allowed. And as we've seen here, for some people, it's still their past is not allowed to be brought up.

3:14:32 But for Bill's case, he was a very useful Patsy or sacrificial lamb to be taken out from me, too, to show that, hey, we got one of the big ones. So even still, he was allowed to get out. So that's the brulee phone, Mo. It's like they'd like us to stop now. They think we've taken this far enough. I think that might be the big phone. That might be the white phone. Oh, okay. It's that one. That's how it is, huh? All right. No, what I mean is like when you start touching on Kinsey and Hugh Hefner, that's a whole different phone that rings.

3:15:16 Mo, thank you so much, man. That was great. That was really, really enjoyable. So much fun. I'm glad you enjoyed Adam. And as I always say, pay attention to everything and the truth reveal itself. And we thank y'all for being here. And we'll be here in 14 days. Make sure you tune in. Mo Facts with Adam Curry. It's strange how sometimes, you know, you be getting a hint and you don't really want to look at it. You know, it's like the kim was a lot of looking me right in the face. I should have known something's wrong.

3:16:02 Like, when I get up in the morning to kiss you, you just kind of give a throwaway kiss. Like when I said, I was today, you just kind of say fine and go ahead. I should have known when you be off on the telephone in the corner, kind of whispering so I don't hear. I should have known when you hold my hand. and it just didn't mean nothing

3:16:49 It's strange how when you get the hint You don't take the hint It's strange how when you see the sign You don't read it for what it says I should have known when you was on the telephone talking low I should have known when I kiss you in the morning and you don't kiss back

3:17:38 I should have known when I said how's everything going how you just say nothing I should have known when you look at me and your eyes don't stay