41: Third Wave

00:00 Nobody's closing me out of my business. Mo Facts with Adam Curry for June 20th, 2020. This is episode number 41 with a world in chaos or whatever we're seeing on social media and TV. Mo, how you doing? I'm doing pretty good, Adam. How about yourself? Yeah, it's been nuts. It's, you know, I'm happy to be alive at this moment in history. Happy to know what I know. Happy to have been doing this show for now. Well, this is our, we've done 40 episodes so far. I feel that I am looking at the world somewhat different than the rest of the people in it. Or at least of the people I know in it. So, yeah, I am very appreciative of the work that we've been doing for the past.

00:44 Shoot, man, we're coming up on a year, aren't we? No, not that. No, no, we got a little more. We got more. I think August is September. I think it was when we hit a year. Gosh, man. It's gone by. It's gone by so quick. It's like, yeah, this new little podcast I've been doing. No, no, no. Episode 41, man. It's great. The months fly by, but the days are long. If that makes any sense. That's a very good way of putting it. And this is, of course, a value for value program and production, which means you produce it as much as we do. You are producers. You help us out in so many ways. Believe me, the notes, the feedback, the thoughts, the ideas, the podcasts to listen to, the experiences, it is all incredibly appreciated and folded into every single episode each and every time.

01:34 And as usual, I have not looked at anything Mo has sent over. But if you don't mind, I'll roll out the wheel and see what we're going to do today. Spin that wheel, Adam. All right. Thank you. Yes, it is the big wheel of topics. We spin it around and round around. Where it starts, nobody knows. Well, except Mo actually does know. Let's find out what today's topic is for episode number 41 of Mo Facts with Adam Curry. Thug Life hit me like the Holy Ghost. I got to hear that one again. I got to make sure. I got to make sure I know what I'm hearing here. Hold on a second. What was this? Thug Life hit me like the Holy Ghost. What hit him?

02:16 Sunlight? Thug Life. Oh, Thug Life. That's Tupac. Yes. Got it. Yay! I get one credibility point for MTV. And this is actually, I'm surprised because I think this is the first time ever in the history of the show out of 41 episodes that we'll play some Tupac clips, which I'm just surprised that he hasn't made it on the show so far. But I had to bring him in because from last year. Incredible part of history, Mr. Tupac.

02:57 He's the most underrated leader probably in American history. And not for his actions, but his thoughts. Oh, a big statement. And we're going to examine it here in this show because it'll start to explain what we saw and what we discussed in last week. Ah, okay. The Thug Life mentality is the genesis of the change in policing, which it was the catalyst for what we're seeing now. And actually, the second, no, the third wave of the show we talked about last week.

03:40 Just to go down the waves, let's go back just a little bit. The first wave is once the catalyst kicks into place. The first wave is the Black Lives Matter Inc. And I have to say that. Yes, we discussed this actually. Kind of like instead of saying China's responsible for something, we like to say the Chinese Communist Party, who are the actual people responsible. And instead of the all-encompassing Black Lives Matter, which is a really beyond a brand now at this point, you know, it's its own entity.

04:17 It's much more effective to say Black Lives Matters, Inc., which encompasses all the entities that are a part of the money flow. Yes. And then the Soros funded and the power, obviously, money flow and the power over or some power over what's happening. And the reason why I say this is they have a parasitic relationship with the larger group, Black Lives Matter is the peaceful protesters, because if you try to remove them out, it could like it affects the host. Oh, if that makes any sense. Yeah, yeah. So they need each other. Right.

04:58 So the first wave. when like a shooting or a cop killing happens, is the boots on the ground, Black Lives Matter Inc. Then the second wave is the Agent Provocateurs. Yep. Wrecking. Which breaks the glass, metaphorically speaking. And then the third wave is the criminal element. That third wave is the thug life. Ah, okay. This is good. This is part. This is severely underanalyzed. If ever, I would say. If ever. I think we just kind of breezed over the third wave last show.

05:39 Yeah. But when I went back and listened, and I've seen what's going on now, we really have to discuss this. So what we need to do is the thug life mentality was discussed before on this show, but by another name. And that's the super predator. Ah! A jogger murdered in New York Central Park. A little girl gunned down in her family's car in Los Angeles. A judge has sentenced two boys for killing another child who refused to steal candy for them. There's a tidal wave of juvenile violent crime right over the horizon. And some who study it say the worst is yet to come.

06:21 Life in the 1990s was dominated by a sense that youth violence was out of control. The future looked bleak. To explain why, one word said it all. Super predators. Some social scientists and criminologists looked at the data and saw doom. They stepped out of their ivory towers and into the public arena to sound the alarm about a coming wave of kids who are going to ravage the country. Yeah, well, the super predators, I remember from Hillary Clinton, right? Didn't she use the super predators term in one of her speeches? Her and Joe Biden. And Joe Biden. I mean, and a lot of politicians at that time. And we're looking at 90, say 92 to 94.

07:06 The Bill Clinton. That is the same rise as Tupac. So we're going to see where these two terms are talking about the same group of people, but from two different perspectives. We've talked about super predators on this show from the political aspect, but we never got the voice of the super predator slash the people that have the thug life mentality. So I want to give them a voice on this show and understand how they got there and how they're being manipulated and used in today's happenings that we see.

07:43 Okay. I'm all ears. I'm excited. I mean, I know. I mean, I have background with Tupac because of the MTV period, which, you know, was 87 into 93. So that definitely crossed over. And this was an important time at MTV when we got Yo MTV raps. I'm pretty sure. I don't think Tupac was on early with Yo M T V raps. I think it was more like naughty by nature. It was pretty tame in the beginning. I could be wrong. Which him and Trech from Naughty My Nature were really good friends. So Trech was kind of similar to actually like a

08:23 East Coast type of Tupac in a way. But he didn't have the celebrity that Tupac had. And to be honest, Tupac was really, I don't want to get too ahead of ourselves, but the reason why Tupac really burst onto the scenes was when he shot those two cops, off-duty cops. That's what made him a Jesse James. That made the Thug Life brand real. Yes. So let's develop the Super Predator narrative, and then we'll transition to the synonymous term Thug Life as well. Okay.

09:11 Along this stretch of grassy road, one night in early September 1994, when most grade schoolers were getting ready for a new school year, a grisly murder took place. In Chicago, the body of an 11-year-old gang member nicknamed Yummy is found beneath an underpass. Police say Robert was murdered by two members of his own gang: 16-year-old Craig Hardaway and his younger brother. Derek Hardaway was 14 when he and his brother drove to the underpass to kill Robert Sandifer or Yummy. Sandifer himself had shot and killed a teenage girl before he was murdered. Derek waited in the car while Craig pulled the trigger. I remember the night.

09:54 night when things took place. He got a page from a guy named Kenny. I'm not actually sure what he said to my brother, but it was Takiya Robin. Derek and his brother belonged to Chicago's Black Disciples gang. If I was told to do certain things, even if I didn't want to do it, it was either do what I'm being told or have it done to me. I remember some of this. Little Yummy is a legend. I think there's a better word for that, but he's notorious. And his reputation, because they were basically, if this happened in another country, we would call them child soldiers or children's soldiers.

10:44 Okay. Right. Got it. Because they like Hardaway said they were told to do something, and we're talking about 12, 13, 14-year-old kids being told to kill, or you will be killed. Right. And how does that happen? Well, if you don't have a father in the house, yes. Sadly, we go around to that every single time, don't we? You become prey. And this is not a continuing cycle. So now you're seeing that now the news is picking up. They have this story. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I just want to interject for people who have not heard some of the earlier episodes.

11:28 When we roll our eyes and go, of course, man, about the house, those were literal rules that if you want to talk systemic racism, the welfare system historically has made it impossible for a man and a woman married to live in the same house and have jobs without popping just over the welfare limit and not making it feasible and thus meaning total poverty or the man has to live somewhere else. Historically, that has happened. That has never really been solved. That issue continues with poverty today. And in one of our earlier episodes, we discuss

12:12 they actually had guards coming around searching under beds in closets to confirm. And then they locked these kids away into public housings or projects or whatever you want to call them that were similar to a jail. I mean, the environment was similar to a jail or prison. What was just as a quick aside, I was listening to Joe Rogan. He was talking to Brett Weinstein, who heard that with me. I'm like, yeah, he says some good and bad. But he also identified, he said that from the beginning, from the roots to coin a phrase of slavery, men were separated from the women.

12:52 And this destroys a culture. And it makes it really, the way he took it down the path, it was probably like an hour and a half into that interview. He says it actually leads to the baby, the baby mama culture. And if relatively few men are in a lot of demand, they're not going to be monogamous and want to be part of a nuclear family. And he sees that too. And he's like a, what is he, societal biologist or some odd discipline that he's a professor in. And I thought it was interesting, but he hadn't connected it to all the other stuff that we're talking about. Not yet, at least.

13:33 And this is the perfect example. If you want to point to something that's systemic racism, this is it. Yes, it's a good thing. This is what you could point to. Yep. For sure. And say, because I always explain to people, families make communities, communities make cities, cities make states, and states make countries. So if you destroy it at the very cellular level, you're going to be, I mean, you can't build off, you can't build off of not having the family structure. And I'm just going to take a leap, and you tell me if I need the goggles, but if you have a culture, and when I say culture, I'm talking if you have an entertainment culture that glorifies,

14:20 let's just call it, I don't know, thug life, it makes it very, very difficult. It adds another layer of problems to repairing that nuclear family. And this is where we get into the crooks of the problem because who's doing the glorifying? And we're going to answer that question. It's not the creator. It's part of the plan, I believe. And this is going to be a very conspiratorial show. show. So, but it's solidly based in facts the way I think this thing is happening. But I think we stopped at two. Yes, so I think we can get into part three of Super Predator.

15:03 Even in an era of violent teen killers, Robert Sandifer's murder was big news. The story scared people, says criminologist Barry Chrisberg. This was no longer a Chicago story. This was a story that no matter where you lived, you turned on the evening news and you would hear about this case. By now, nearly all of us know the story of Robert Sandifer. There was a sense that the country writ large was going to hell in a handbasket. No one had a clear idea of what to do. Political scientist John Diulio taught at Princeton University and had done extensive research in prisons studying the criminal justice system.

15:43 From 1984 to 1994, when Sandifer was killed, teenage homicide rates had more than doubled. Diulio looked at studies that estimated that by 2000, there would be a million more teens between the ages of 14 and 17. And he predicted crime rates would snowball even more. You'd have a doubling or a tripling in the rate of youth violence in the time between the mid-90s and up to through the mid-2000s. Wow. Models. Yeah. Well, again, I'll just say, you know, I think I left MTV around 93, started my own company.

16:21 This was also the beginning of the dot-com boom. So I was not focused on a lot of what was going on other than pets.com and building stuff. So very interesting. It was probably looking like a huge time of economic prosperity with the internet and companies and public offerings and craziness going on. And meanwhile. And your cartels. Yeah. Well, that's what I'm saying. And meanwhile, in the background, we had some other stuff happening. And we discussed this on our episode on the crack epidemic of the propaganda that they used to scare people.

17:01 And this is kind of how we got to the 94 crime bill and even the crime bills that came before that. I mean, the changing in this disparity of 100 grams, 100 to 1 ratio, powder versus rock. And to focus on street-level dealer compared to focusing on the kingpin, besides the fact that they didn't want to lock themselves up, whoever's making the laws. Exactly. But now we see this is. I want to make a parallel to now with the models. You know, coronavirus. Yeah. The shit.

17:44 Yeah. Yeah. You have academia saying, hey, you know, this thing's going to double and double again. You know, and they need to get ahead of it. The initial models were actually factor 10 off by what may be the ultimate reality, even with everything factored in. So, yeah, the smallest change in input can have a wildly different output. Well, clip four gets into the factor of the if they were off or not. Perhaps most troubling to Diulio was what he saw as an indication that the small percentage of kids who commit the most violent crimes would be much more destructive than the generation before them.

18:29 Studies found that essentially 6% of every male youth cohort was responsible for about 50% of all the violent crimes committed by that cohort. That small fraction of people is going to be able to wreak incredible havoc. Diulio wasn't the only one predicting a surge in crime. By the year 2005, we may very well have a bloodbath of teenage violence. Northeastern University criminologist James Fox says his choice of words was deliberate. I did sound an alarm, and I did use some rather strong language in terms of what might happen if we didn't react quickly. Fox and Diulio felt compelled to call attention to this perceived problem, and rhetoric proved the most powerful arrow in their quiver.

19:14 Diulio, an Ivy League academic from South Philadelphia, wrote this article for the Weekly Standard in 1995. The term super predator originated from an inmate who said I was always a throwaway line. He said, yo, these kids, they're stone-cold predators. And like a match to a flame, the word caught on. Super predator, predator, predators, super predators. Yeah, nothing like a good old-fashioned surge coming from the models, huh? Surge. Where have I heard that? that? And this goes to show you narrative.

19:51 He created a term from a throwaway term from a hardened criminal. Now, let's get, let's get, let's not poo-poo the fact that a hardened criminal was saying these kids are something different. The actual guy in the slammer said it. Right. So don't have that loss on you because even Notorious B.I.G. said has a line. I'm loosely quoting. He was like, our parents used to take care of us, but now they even effing scared of us. They understood that it was real. It was real. It was not just a term, but it had a name and it became from predator to super predator.

20:31 That was beautiful for politicians. Yes, because they could take it and run with it. Just like we see super bug and you throw super in front of anything and it makes it something totally different. So now we have the term. It's been created and we know the history behind the term. Now we discuss who's used it and how it wielded it for political power and gain. There's only one little problem and Fob talks about it. The super predator idea was wrong. Once it was out there, though, it was out there. There was no reeling it in. The experience was a turning point.

21:12 Diulio increasingly began to think about religion and public affairs as the best way to affect change. I lost faith in social science prediction at about the same time that I gained faith of a traditional religious con. But Chrisberg says the problem wasn't with social science, but that Diulio not only misinterpreted the data, but what it meant. It was a myth. And unfortunately, it was a myth that some academics jumped on to. The fear over the super predator led to a tremendous number of laws and policies that we're just now recovering from.

21:52 Wait a minute, wait a minute. Wait a minute. So while the super predator was a real thing, the actual effect of the super predator was wildly exaggerated by the models, or did I misunderstand? The number of super predators. Now, how heinous they were, that was true. And the crimes they were committing were true, but they were like, okay, if we have a million today, then we'll have. Like I said, just think about it in the COVID. Yeah, if we have a million today, we have 10 million by the second wave. Right. And this kind of miscalculation lends to another issue that's cropped up.

22:35 And I'm going to take a little aside here. This is why people don't trust math anymore. You hear math is racist and we need to get rid of STEM. Yeah. This is why. This is where that comes from. That was also what Weinstein was saying. This is where it comes from. Yeah, because if we actually did the math and we went and looked at it, we find out that it was bullcrap. Right. So when people say get rid of STEM, they're not rid of math. They're not saying get rid of math. It's this funky wizardry that they do that.

23:18 Right. Or they just, you know, they start fudging the numbers or, you know, from here to here, you know, projections say that we're going to be here 10 years and that kind of thing. Right. What I'm saying is Black Lives Matters Inc. is saying, hey, get rid of STEM because STEM would actually uncover the lies. Right. So all of this stuff is vetted in truth on both sides, but it's the manipulation and exaggeration and manipulation of the data points that is dangerous. And wrapping it around, wrapping it or shaping it to fit narrative is the problem because you could take any number.

24:00 And like people say, men lie, women lie, but numbers don't lie. But you could take a number and tell a whole different story on how you spin it. That's like you talk about job saved. How do you count that? Yes. Right. Save to create it. And now they're saying live save with Corona. And I don't want to go down, but I'm just showing you the parallel. So this thing was really happening. And the super predator to the outside world is what Tupac was calling thug life. And I want to say something before we get into Tupac Speaking in these next set of clips.

24:39 His definition. definition or the acronym for thug life is the hate you gave little infants, fuck everybody. Okay. So, what he's saying is, you fed these babies hate. You put them in concrete jungles that the projects were in inner cities without a male to teach them how to navigate this. And this is what you get back, basically. So, don't act surprised. Where were your scientists then? You know, where was the scientist to say, well, if we take the father out the house, that might create an issue.

25:21 Right. The numbers show that, you know, we could have a spike in what nobody did that calculation. It's amazing. But when it comes to spending something for politics or super predators or whatever, they can do the math. Is this also part of the or part of some of the disdain towards homosexuality? Because that maybe by definition could ruin the traditional family and like big air quotes around traditional. It's more promiscuous. It's the explanation of hyper masculinity in hip-hop and these environments. Ah, okay. I don't want to put it off on. No, I got you. I got you.

26:02 But it leads to a lot of things. Yes. Okay. I got it. Right. Because you can't be seen as weak. You can't be seen as soft. You know, you can't be seen as actually compassionate, caring. These are all things you had to rule out because these kids are being raised by the streets. And when we say the streets is the worst role models possible are the only people that stayed in these environments, men that had families. You know, they, um, another, just to go back to another show where we talked about white flight with Michelle Obama and her father, right? She had a father. She grew up in Chicago. They moved their family out.

26:40 Who'd you leave behind? And she was all upset when they followed her to the neighborhood that she had. She had in my backyard. Yeah, exactly. Right. So now we get to get to listen to Mr. Tupac Shakur, which I have to be honest, he's my favorite rapper. I think he's the best rapper ever. And I think it's by far. I think it's like when you talk about Michael Jordan, it's like the second person is so far down the list from him, it's not even comparable because of his impact.

27:16 Wow. And there's this weird parallel between him and Kanye. And we've, yeah, so just listen for that when you play these clips. So now we're going to get into the MTV video from 1994 with Tupac. It's interesting how hip-hop rap music in the beginning, or a song like Grandmaster Flash is the message, where basically they were saying, you know, it's like a jungle sometimes. I wish, you know, I wonder how I keep from going under it. The whole root of what that song was was basically saying, look, these are the problems here. You know, and here we are 10 years or plus later. The problems are still there.

27:58 And the intensity of the music has built to the no hope, the I don't give a attitude. How did we get from Grandmaster Flash the message to where we are now in hip-hop? Again, you have to be logical. You know, if I know in this hotel room, they have food every day, and I'm knocking on the door every day to eat. And they tell, and they open the door. Let me see the party. Let me see like they're throwing salami all over the, I mean, just like throwing food around. But they're telling me there's no food in here. You know what I'm saying? Every day, I'm standing outside trying to sing my way in. You know what I'm saying? We are hungry. Please let us in. We are hungry. Please let us in.

28:42 After about a week, that song is going to change to we hungry, we need some food. After two, three weeks, it's like, you know, give me all the food racking on the door. And after a year, then you just like, you know what I'm saying? I'm picking the lock, coming through the door, blasting. You know what I'm saying? It's like you're hungry. Yeah. Well, first of all, in that beginning of that clip, he even sounded a bit like Kanye, almost a cadence. Seriously. It's like, wow. Yeah. Very right. And yeah, he kind of has that flow to what he's saying. And very understandable. It's not hard to figure out what he's talking about.

29:19 And what he laid out was going from civil rights to the black power movement to the next movement of like the 80s until like the 90s where kids was like, F it. You know what I'm saying? We see the decadence of America. America. You can't tell us. You can't help us. And important at that time, and that's why I brought it up, although I was not at MTV in 94, but just before that, we had had the ramp up. And I'll say Dr. Dre, Ed Lover, 55 Freddy, and Ted Demi, they brought in Yo M TV raps, and it was just getting introduced.

30:00 It was just happening. And at that time, like I said, I'm speaking about singing, you know, like singing to get inside this, the door was actually opening again, but with possibility. Right. And then you had public enemy at the time. I mean, rap started out really positive. Yeah. But we've, you know, and we saw it just deteriorate. And that was, I believe, that was plan, a plan deterioration. But the thing he was saying in this clip is: I hope it's not missed on people. We've been asking and asking and asking. That's the singing metaphor. We've every way possible to get people to understand

30:46 you need to fix this problem. Now the problem is picking your lock, coming through the door and taking what it needs. This is what I'm saying to what you saw from the third wave a couple weeks ago. We're tired of asking. I want to humanize those people in the third wave. I don't, even though I don't agree with them, I understand where they come from. And I want other people to understand how they can easily, because people are like, how are they so easily manipulated? Can they not? Well, this is also very important from just from

31:28 everyone's perspective, really, that there is such a huge difference in these three waves. So just revisit. One is Black Lives Matters Inc., which knows very well what it's doing. They charge it up. They charge it up. Now, then the Ajant provocateurs, I won't say necessarily, we know who's doing it, but there's strong suspicion. And it may be different in every case, every county, every city for different reasons, but it's there. It's part of the system. And then the third wave is distinctly different people than the people who are in the first and second wave. And I think that's really what you're saying is important. And I love that you said you want to humanize them. And I think that's excellent. Because what the hell is going on? And here we are.

32:12 This is great. No one's thinking of this except you, of course. Because I took a went away from the show and I'm like, well, we explained the first wave, the second wave, and we kind of just breezed over the third wave. But the third wave is actually the catalyst as well. Because these interactions that you have between the cops and quote-unquote criminals that we see using the fake 20. It's the fever. Or selling loose cigarettes on the street. That's the only way I have to make money. And this is by design. I mean, I'm just going to say it. This whole thing is by freaking design.

32:53 And that's why I find it so disgusting. But by the way, I hope that whatever we, when we're done with this episode, I hope that if someone says systemic racism, I'll say, yes, let me tell you what it is because here's the problem. Will we get to that? Will that be possible? We will. Good. But that's the look the other way. Look over there. No, I understand. I understand. Exactly. The whole point is you're talking about this, but here's what it really is. Exactly. It does exist, and that's what racism as a whole. People point to the wrong things to describe it. That's what makes the arguments ineffective to solving the problems.

33:34 But let's get back on the track and go to the second part of the interview from 1994. And we shouldn't be angry. And my raps that I'm rapping to my community shouldn't be filled with rage. You know what I'm saying? They shouldn't be filled with the same atrocities that they gave to me. In the media, they don't talk about it. So my raps, I have to talk about it. And it just seems foreign because there's no one else talking about it. Right. Well, at Plain Devil's Advocate, somebody might say, well, what does Tupac have? He's a movie star. He's got, you know, hit records. What does he have to complain about? And I'm going to tell you, it's like being the last person alive. You know what I'm saying? After three days, you can't do anything. What can I do? Where can I go?

34:18 There's no black neighborhood, you know what I'm saying? With black people who have the same amount of money as me. You know what I'm saying? There's richer and there's poorer. There's no just, you know, did a movie got a little bit of money. in okay, black neighborhood. I have to be in a white neighborhood, so I don't fit in. That's hell. It's hell when you can't be around your peers. All my life grew up around black people, poor people, but I can't live around poor people now because they'll rob me. And why would they rob me? Because they're starving. Because there's no money here. Jeez. Who was the interviewer? Is that Kennedy? No. Yes. What's her? Oh, Tabitha. That said Tabitha. That's exactly. Who we used to call Krabatha for a whole bunch of reasons.

34:59 Krabitha. By the way, I hated that about MTV. They brought in MTV news and they cut us out from the interview stuff. That sucked. Yeah, Krabitha doing the interviews. Damn it. Just personal beef. Done. Sorry. So imagine that. And like I said, I can relate to what Tupac is saying on a very small scale because once you become successful as a black man, there's nowhere for you to go. Nowhere. Because you have to leave, you know, you don't have to leave your environment, but you become a victim.

35:42 Either way, it's like if you move to a nice neighborhood, what are you doing here? Right. What are you doing in that nice car? I'm not saying all police. And we're going to get to that, the police portion later in the show, but you know, police police off of numbers. Yeah. Odds. It's like, I've seen this guy in this kind of car, and eight out of 10 times he's been a drug dealer. You know, so I'm going to, I'm going to pull him over. I'm not condoning that, but it's just that, I mean, that's the way it works. It's the other side of saying, if I stay here, I'm going to get robbed.

36:21 And if I go over there, I'm going to get harassed and I won't be accepted. And where do you go? And as he's saying again, is we have no community. We have, you know, thank you. Thank you for that. Because that's just the community word when people say the black community. I'm like, okay, can you just tell me what zip code that is so I can go say hi? Because it's bull crap. I would love to live in one. And it's in the ingrained distrust that we've been given, you know, not to trust each other.

36:58 This thing is over the course of this, whatever we're doing here, Adam, it's very deep-rooted distrust amongst our people going way, way back. When we start unearthing this, then we're going to start seeing what systemic racism is. But I want to go back to last show because Tupac was talking about understanding the vibe of the street. He never was, he was never separated from the street. No matter how much success he had, he was always seen as a normal person. Do you think Kanye has that same thing? I believe so. Okay. I think it got tarnished a little bit with

37:44 the Trump thing, but people to understand understood what he was doing there. Just because we made the comparison, I want to keep it in the back of my mind. Right. But when you speak, and I always say this: when you tell the truth, you don't have to remember your lines. You know, it just comes out. It's just easy. And I have the same thing. Like, I'm just going to tell you how I feel. That's also why I speak from the gut. That's why the truth always comes out. As we know, it always happens, even when people don't intend it to. Yep. So we're going to go back to last show and Malcolm X talking about

38:24 the vibe of the streets. And brothers and sisters, let me say, I spend my time out there in the street with people, all kinds of people, listening to what they have to say. And they're dissatisfied. They're disillusioned. They're fed up. They're getting to the point of frustration where they are beginning to feel what do they have to lose. And when you get to that point, you're the type of person who can create a very dangerously explosive atmosphere. The number of people who have emailed me and said, I am so disappointed in my schooling and upbringing that we never got to hear Malcolm X.

39:10 It was always the M-OK. It has been astounding. It's the number one comment on our show. And in that same vein, is you never get to hear from Tupac. Yep. Notice nobody ever. ever talks about Tupac, even though he's like, he was, I'm not sure. I think Eminem may have passed him by now, but by far, until Eminem, number one selling artist, to this day, you can't find anybody that doesn't like Tupac. Right. But he's never discussed. He's never discussed. Whenever someone has a message that's dangerous, they cover it up.

39:49 Exactly. And that's why I wanted to play those clips back to back because he has this thumb on the pulse of what is the problem. And if you can articulate the problem, then you could demand a solution. They don't want you to articulate the problem. The Malcolm X clip is from what year? I think that was 63, 63. That's what I want to say. So 55 years ago. 30 years later. 55 years ago. Malcolm X identifies it. 25, 26 years ago, Tupac identifies it. This is unbelievable. I mean, it's amazing that we're going to be able to get a lot of people. And then Kanye Gates, then Kanye Gates comes along.

40:33 Exactly. And it's more and more explosive. It's like, hello, can we open our eyes finally? No. It's too because you need that third wave. Yeah. Yeah, the third wave needs into the change, which is done by the politicians for anyone, but the third wave's benefit. And we talked about it on the last show of the uppity Negroes using the poor blacks to come up off of them. You need a victim. You need a victim to grow the system. It's like, oh, we're collecting money for the behalf of the downtrodden and we'll take 80% of that money.

41:17 That's exactly what Black Lives Matters Inc. seems to be doing. Same thing. And that's just the people's money. It's not even government money yet. Also, the people's money, but it's just people supporting it. The corporate money, the corporate money, the individual. They're tapping into all that because they took the Sharpton Jackson model. That's what we call it. Just Sharpton Jackson. Quick aside. Jesse Jackson, you're going to love this. You know, the Black Pete thing in the Netherlands with the Santa Claus and the Black Pete, which has been, this argument has been going on for at least seven, eight years. The tradition has been going on for hundreds. Now Jesse Jackson is showing up in the press in the Netherlands talking about this.

42:02 He's going to come over and he's going to tell the Dutch people. He's expanded his business model overseas. Isn't that what talent does when they burn out in America? They go to Europe, right? They take the show. Taking this shit out of the road, Jesse. We're doing a European tour. Exactly what's going on. All right. So now we're going to listen to Tupac. Same interview. He talks about being the spark. All the society is doing is leeching off the ghetto. They use the ghetto for their pain, for their sorrow, for their culture, for their music, for their happiness, for their movies to talk about boys in the hood.

42:43 You know what I'm saying? I don't want to be another young. I don't want to be 50 years old at a BET. We shall overcome achievement awards. You know what I'm saying? Not me. You know, I want when they see me, they know that every day when I'm breathing, it's for us to go farther. Every time I speak, I want the truth to come out. You know what I'm saying? Every time I speak, I want to shiver. I don't want them to be like, they know what I'm going to say because it's polite. They know what I'm going to say. And even if I get in trouble, you know what I'm saying? That ain't that what we're supposed to do. I'm not saying I'm going to rule the world or I'm going to change the world, but I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will change the world. And that's our job. It's to spark somebody else watching us. We might not be the ones, but let's not be selfish.

43:26 And because we're not going to change the world, let's not talk about how we should change it. I don't know how to change it. But I know if I keep talking about how dirty it is out here, somebody going to clean it up. Wow, that's the best clip so far. No, that's like clip of the show at this minute. Nice. This is why you haven't heard this from Tupac. You heard a thug lie, shoot him up. And I just want to, two things I want, two points I want to make. One, there's a pre-death row Tupac and a post-death row records. I want to say that post-death row records. And this came about when he was alleged, had sexually assaulted a person, which that case was super flimsy.

44:11 But they use it as a mechanism to take him down. And he basically had to sign his life away to death row records to even get out. get out on appeal. And that's when he became the gangster. And what I mean by gangster, I'm talking about the criminal rapper, the gangster rapper, because that before then, he didn't be more a political figure. His music was political based. And you can hear it in his catalog because you can hear from me against the world to all eyes on me. That was the two records. It's just a total almost change because of the environment he was in and the expectation from the record label he was signed to, which he was signed to Death Row, who was sounding Interscope, which you know, that's Jimmy Iveen.

44:59 And that's when they started rapping up the gangster rapper, like a superhero. So was it super villain? Was it Suge Knight that forced that change on him, or am I confused? Well, it comes higher than that because Suge Knight and Death Row had a lot of police working for Death Row, corrupt police. Yeah, real corrupt police. Yeah. Real, real corrupt police. And they were a front for drug operation. When you follow the money, it goes right back to the same place as Free Ray Ricky Ross and that kind of thing.

45:40 It all flows back that way. So they needed the propaganda arm of rap, which was rap, to push this narrative of the super predator. Aka the thug, the thug. Right. Two, the second point I want to make is this is why you see now the Democratic Party bringing in Snoop, bringing in TI, bringing in Killer Mike, because they're trying to catch that momentum that Tupac had. But these people, these people that they're putting up, they're no Tupac and they don't speak the truth.

46:22 Right. They don't speak the truth and they contradict themselves because just I'm going to make this last point and then we can go to the next clip. Killer Mike had a song called Burn and the lyrics go burn this mother effer down. But when you saw him Atlanta last month earlier last month crying down it's like hold on bro. You just told us to burn it down. Now you're on the Democratic tee. It's like when we have to soften the message the same thing with T.I. You know, this rebel, but then when it threatens your opportunity zone, you have a different

47:05 narrative. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. So now we have Tupac talking about fathers. Because I didn't have a father, it makes me call the bitter. Not just as the excuse. I know people are tired of hearing, oh, yeah, but I mean, you have to be logical. You know what I'm saying? The reason I didn't have a father, it's not like I'm saying, okay, now sympathize with me. I'm saying, remember that I'm telling you, I did not have a father. So when you go, what kind of kid is that? What kind of morals do we got? I don't know. You know, Sounds raised by a Black Panther, you know, and Josh by a lot of street people. So of course, my values are real street-orientated. But that doesn't mean that I don't have any values or I don't have any morals.

47:47 You know what I'm saying? It's just that my morals are applied to the people who I'm around. If you had a father figure growing up, how would you be different? Would you be different right now? I think I'd probably be a lawyer somewhere, you know, because I wouldn't have hung out. I wouldn't have looked for that father figure. And I wouldn't have learned all this treacherous street game that now I can't forget. Was anyone else besides MTV doing this kind of stuff with him back in the day? Actually, he had another interview with B.E.T. as well, where he spoke in the same manner, but it was kind of redundant, so I didn't use that. This is the popular interview. But I mean, like Rolling Stone Magazine or the New York Times or maybe

48:33 Vanity Fair. Was anyone else doing something really of this depth with him? Which at the time? They rather cover the sensationalism. The thug life, the thug part of it. Right, the thug life and no, the spitting at the cops and that kind of thing. That's what they rather cover. Not when you actually sit down and listen to him. His music was used to capture the attention of the kids that grew up in a similar situation to him. And then he would slip in the medicine and the applesauce kind of thing. And that's the beautiful thing about his music. music is for people that can hear him,

49:19 he's telling the kids, I know where you're coming from. And that's a lot of times all the kids need to hear if somebody just hears them. Which is the origins of rap and hip-hop. It was CNN. That's what Tabitha in the first clip she was talking about. She was talking about the message. How did it go from that to where it's at now? Well, you're not listening to the kids. And when I say kids, I'm not saying like children. I'm talking about, you know, the youth. And it's the same thing now. You're not listening. The youth are telling. And another thing is, these young people are now, there was this thing

50:04 before the internet and before gentrification, when you lived in a certain community, you didn't even know you were poor or you didn't know how poor you were. But when you start to see how the world operates and what the world is buying and spending their money on, it makes you feel like nothing. And what did we have at the same time, which I mentioned at the beginning? What was happening? Internet. The doc, the internet, the dot-com bubble, news, and the unique information. MP3s. We had distribution, all kinds of crit that no one thought about. Distribution, free distribution. Cable television when it was at its apex.

50:45 You know, you had to. And you could get on, you could still get on cable television. It wasn't even seen as serious TV. There was opportunity. There was opportunity everywhere. Yeah. So when these kids start seeing this, like, oh, that's what y'all driving? That's what you right. You got a $10,000 watch. You know, even now, that's the kids seeing, like, oh, y'all are doing this. You have money for this. Use a two-pot line. He said, you got money for wars, but can't feed the poor. You see these bombs, you see all this other stuff, but it's like you can't take care of the people in your own country, but you want us to buy in.

51:27 What a critical strategy mistake on the behalf of, let's just call it the New World Order. The thinking, hey, they'll never see it. They'll never figure out what we're doing over here until that came along. Well, this is where we get into the conspiracy. Was it a mistake or is it agitation? Is it planned? Is it planned agitation? Let's keep agitating these people. Let's keep showing them images of well, let me look at it this way: the Clinton administration was really when the Democrats decided we're going to start to serve corporate interest, just like the Republicans.

52:10 There's a lot more money in it for us. And of course, everyone started to get screwed, but people who are already screwed got screwed even more. I believe that if, you know, I'll play along with you because I love it. I'm very good at conspiracy. If you have the corporate, the corporate corrections company of America, you have a commercialized prison system, you have an entire infrastructure being set up with government money. And I would see that would be the 94 crime bill. Then all you need is to feed the machine with warm bodies. And so, how can we do that? How can we make these kids crazy? Hey, I got an idea.

52:50 Call up those boys at MTV. Let's make this message violent. And you saw a change. I mean, I saw it. Big, big. Because before you couldn't show guns and videos, but then all of a sudden, now you start seeing the gun unblurred. Yeah. Even brands, before brands didn't even want to be associated with hip-hop, the brands stopped, Nike symbols and these other things stopped being unblurred. I mean, I saw this real time. Yeah. Where if you had a Nike symbol on your shirt, they were blurred out because Nike's like, oh, no, I don't want to be associated with that. Then all of a sudden, it's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, we want to see the rappers wearing our brands.

53:33 We want to see the guns in the hands of young guys. Let me correct you on that. It was not Nike saying blur it out. It was the television station saying, hey, hey, hey, Nike, you're not paying for that. So go away with that. The TV stations were blurring it out. And now why do they allow it then? Is it for the greater good, for the greater cause? I would say sales might have driven that. And I think that when sales for Nike are good and then they just do it with the advertising buy on the channel, we're going to unblur that stuff. This is a good thing. that's happened. Everybody saw it. In Europe, people were scratching their heads.

54:14 So, you Americans, you buy sneakers for $300 because they say Nike, because they couldn't say Nike. They say Nike. So, yeah, that seems to be what's going on. And they're made in China. And they're really worth about $10. So it was off to the races after that. Americans are good at that, by the way. We love buying into a brand. We've always been like that. And for some reason, and I still haven't found the answer to this, the whole world cares about what young black men from America are doing.

54:56 We set the trend for the whole world. Seriously. Well, yes. And I think that I think this is, well, our show has covered this. It starts with an outstanding product. So if we just go back to the old, the jazz guys, you know, the older musicians and female singers, we're talking 30s, 40s, and we've covered a lot of this in the show. You know, the talent is unbelievable. The honesty, the beauty, the beauty in the music and the lyrics and the singing. It was there. It was, it's fantastic. So there's money to be made.

55:37 Historically, hey, people like it. Let's make money off of it. By the way, we're going to give you five bucks. We're going to take 50,000. But yeah, I think it's exploitation from day one. And Tupac said that. He said, you use the ghetto for our pain, for our suffering. But I know a lot of people are like, Moe, it's just music. It's just music. It can't be that powerful. Oh, my goodness. Music is one of the most the most powerful. It lifted the spirits of millions throughout history. Songs, all kinds of stuff, please. Who says that? Show me that person. And we see that with the national anthem. We see how

56:19 controversial. Oh, that's just a song. It's just music. Uh-huh. But number 12 will explain to you why. And finally, we use the power of rhyme. We had Brian say things like, Don't be a turkey, try some free jerky. This jerky is no mystery. I know it's history. And the reason that was effective is that rhymes increase what cognitive scientists call processing fluency. The message goes down easier, it's more memorable. Chances are, you're not in the beef jerky business, but you can still use some of the principles that we taught Brian. In particular, harness the power of rhyme. Let's say that you want people on your team to show up on time.

56:57 You could say something like, when everyone's on time, the whole team can shine. Or even at home, you can say, wiping the table will make our marriage more stable. Now, this sounds goofy, but trust me, it works. And as always, these tips should never be used for evil. Until next time, I'm Daniel Pink. Yeah, along with the rhyming, I just point out that jingles, commercial jingles, are incredibly effective. I mean, there's a million we could sing for you, and you'd recognize them right away. So the song is incredibly important for replication of a message. But specifically, rhyme. Oh, yeah. And that's what rap is. It's rhyming.

57:38 So it's the perfect mechanism. You can do it anywhere. Anyone do it? Anyone can do it. Equipment. Anyone can do it. You don't need a guitar. You don't need a drum set. Mo. One guys beatboxing. I was in Los Angeles in 1982 at the, I think it was the Kiss FM Street Jam or something. And I was there. I was there. Actually, I was supposed to have a meeting. Long story, which I won't get into. I was very young, but I was trying to see if I could do anything in America. It was before MTV. This is even before I was on television in the Netherlands. And that's when I saw, you know, the first street battles. Like, what is going on here?

58:22 Now, this was, you know, around the time of the message. And it just, just groups of guys just throwing down and just, you know, rapping at each other. I'd never seen anything like it in my life before. I'd heard the records, but never seen the genesis of it. It was phenomenal. And that's called a cipher, which is going to be important. That's when you have a circle of people freestyling and rapping. It's called a cipher. It's taught a cypher. Yes. And that's going to lend to the next clip. Can I get just a little taste of theorem? I know it's quite early in the show for this. No, it's never too early for theramen. No, no, no. You can always grab a little. Hold on. I've been practicing for you. Yeah, I hit that high note.

59:03 Yeah, we're going down the cycle. some kind of dark, deep rabbit hole. All right. Take us there. John Todd. I said, Do they still take the master to the temple room? Dave said, Yeah. I said, Do they still have the Colvin conjure demons into the master? He said, Of course. I said, No, I got to know something. What's the main reason for rock music? He says, The same as when you were in, so that we can place spells on people that we couldn't cast spells upon. The master is a tape about as big as the top of this podium that looks like an overgrown eight track that the album is cut on and it's placed in a machine that produces and presses the records and the eight tracks and cassettes that you buy.

59:44 After it's been recorded, it's taken in. This is why a master's cut months in advance before its release. On the full moon, it's taken in to a temple room about the size of this auditorium that is in every one of the major music companies behind locked doors up in the executive office. And it's placed on an altar setting in the north of the room and a pentagram engraved in the floor. And 13 hand-chosen witches and withers and a Colvin come in and conjure a principality or a power-up, usually Region or something like that, and order him to tell the demons under him to follow every record and every tape coming off of that master.

1:00:26 I said, Okay, one last thing. I've been hearing that you must be an initiated witch now to get a record contract. He said, That's right. He says, Many of us that weren't total witches have to be witches now in order to produce music. And here I thought the way to a hip record was more cowbell. No, it's not cowbell. Wow. Who was this? This is John Todd. So, John Todd is quite known in the conspiracy theory, especially the hip-hop conspiracy theory circles, because he was known for saying that basically record companies, and he was speaking about rock here, but then,

1:01:07 of course, it feeds into hip-hop as well. That the master tapes are basically embedded with spells. Nothing would surprise me, especially because the entire music business is based around the master. I mean, the rights to prove you have the rights to a song, you have to actually physically own the master. And this is the big deal, especially in hip-hop, because Jay-Z basically dissolved his whole relationship with his partner of many years over the masters of his first album, Reasonable Doubt.

1:01:47 Yep. So I'm just saying, just saying, we got the power of rhyme, and then you factor in. Throw a little bit of wicked stuff on there. Right. And I just told you that the rapping in a circle is called a cipher. When you start breaking down this terminology, it definitely lends to something maybe supernatural. I'm just going to leave it there. I'm just going to leave it there. I wanted to add that in into this conversation. Well, you can leave it there all you want, but the cypher, I'm going to have to dive into that after the show. I'm doing some extracurricular research now.

1:02:26 I like that. Yes. So we heard Tupac talk about the thug, and I explained to you what he, um, the acronym for thug life was. So Donald Trump recently, and I have a super, like, it's kind of like a super cut. After the riot, riots, and looting, he used this term thug. So let's listen to the super cut. Do you think that right now the nation needs you to express that same sort of comfort and healing that some people need to heal? Right now, I think the nation needs law and order. We can't allow a situation like happened in Minneapolis to descend further into flawless anarchy and chaos.

1:03:11 Law and order will prevail. The looters is looting. You do have looting. These people, it's Antifa. It's a lot of radical left bad people. Exploiting this tragedy to loot, rob, attack, and menace. Hatred, chaos. Rioters, looters, and anarchists. Violence and vandalism led by Antifa. Radical left-wing groups terrorizing the innocent, destroying jobs, burning down buildings. The mobs are devastating the life's work of good people. Anarchy. Anarchy. Criminals and vandals wreck our cities and lay waste to our communities. Mob violence. Radical left criminals, thugs. Angry mobs. Angry mobs.

1:03:52 It is essential that we protect the crown jewel of American democracy. The rule of law. Violence. Mayhem. and disorder. An angry mob rioting, I am your president of law and order. Professional anarchists, violent mobs, arsonists, looters, criminals, riders, Antifa, dangerous thugs, domestic terror. I think he covered all of them. Huge, huge misstep for Trump to use thugs. Thugs. Yep. Yep. He didn't know what he was doing there. He didn't know what he was saying. I agree with you. And it's funny because it's not even funny. I caught that too.

1:04:34 It's like, oh, man. He's going to get ripped apart for that. And rightly so. And we're going to hear. Before we get into why it's a misstep, Tupac, and this is where when I say profit, I don't mean in a spiritual or biblical from the future kind of way. Kind of like you. You know what I'm saying? Thank you. I'll take that as a compliment. But when you can see what's going on and it can, you say it many, many years before it happens. Tupac has a take on Donald Trump back in 1992.

1:05:18 This world is such a, and when I say this world, I mean it. I don't mean in an ideal sense. I mean in every day, every little thing you do. It's such a, give me, give me, give me. Everybody back off. You know, everybody's like, you taught that from school, everywhere. Big business. You want to be successful? You want to be like Trump? Gimme, gimme, gimme. Push, push, push, push. Step, step, step, crush, crush, crush. That's how it all is. And it's like, nobody ever stopped. You know, I feel like instead of us just being like, slavery's bad, slavery's there, bad whitey, bad whitey. I mean, all right, let's stop that. And everybody's smart enough to know that. I mean, we've been slighted and we want ours. And I don't mean by like ours, 40 acres in the mew because we passed that. But we need help.

1:05:59 I mean, for us to be on our own two feet, us meaning youth or us meaning black people, whatever you want to take it from, for us to be on our own two feet, we do need help because we have been here. We have been a good friend. If you want to make it a relationship type thing, we have been there and now we deserve our payback. It's like you got a friend that you don't never look out for. You know, you dressed up in Jews. Now America's got Jews and they got they paid and everything and they lending money to everybody except us. Wow. And of course he considered Trump a Democrat at the time. Which he was. Yeah. Which he was. Yeah. And when you say take, take, take, the third wave looks at it now the same way. Oh. Oh, take, take, take, take.

1:06:43 We just go to foreign countries and take what we want, you know, go to the barrel of a gun. Yeah. What's the problem? We're playing by the same thing. And thank you. Thank you. Another point that is poorly observed by underinformed, oversocialized, but even the underinformed who will say, I don't understand why they, why they wrecked their own neighborhood. But that's not what happened this time. This was not like Rodney King. No, no, no, no. This was very different. Just look for the video on YouTube, Fifth Avenue, New York. The guy drives for 10 minutes. Nothing but boarded up, broken stores.

1:07:24 And I think Black Lives Matter Inc. understood that. We can't, because the finger will be pointed back at us when they come when they wake up the next morning and see their neighborhood in shambles. So we need to make a slight adjustment to how we do this. And as far as I know, this was different from every has this happened before with the prosperous areas being burned and the big box stores? I can't remember that. I mean, even if it did happen, I don't remember it being broadcast. I remember in LA, I remember in 92, maybe? Nah, I remember in LA. Maybe. No, you had the Koreans on the roof of their little stores with guns and they were defending all that.

1:08:06 It never made it to Rodeo Drive, as far as I remember. I don't think. I don't think it's ever been like that. And I think that's because of the psychological, ingrained block that the youth has. Like, we can't go over there. But the second wave said, yes, you can. Yeah. And we'll give you a hand. You know, break the glass. Like, come on. So this goes and show you this is second wave driven. This is not. Yes, yes, yes. Third wave waking up like, you know what? We need to go to Rodeo Drive or, you know, Manhattan. It was okay. They removed civility from these places, so let's go in.

1:08:50 Because if that was the case, the criminal element would have been done this. What are you waiting on? For a later moment or later date is to closely analyze this very small group of wave two because that's wave two pointed the way. Right. They, like I said, they removed the thin, what we use metaphorically as the glass. Yeah. And now it's just a free-for-all. Now, back to Donald Trump using thug. Well, there's no way better to say I'll let Charles Barkley explain it. And it's a learning lesson. You tell people, like, they want you to stay in your place. It's like, yeah, we like you as a player and you're all right.

1:09:32 But I like the other things you said about, you know, when people throw the term around thug, street carried, calling him monkey and things, that's pseudo for the N-word. Do you, we just heard the sound bite with Rachel Nichols where he says, yes, that is pseudo for the for the N-word. You agree? Every black person knows that. You know, everybody, like, you know, you got a couple of people who are ignorant who use that as a slur. But people also do, they do. They say it's a street cred. Think of Tupac in the 90s wasn't saying thug cool at the time. What changed? Well, first of all, listen, we got this great debate going on, West Fair. I use the N-word. Me and my friends use it, and we're not going to stop using it. I don't care what anybody out there say.

1:10:16 We're going to use it. I know the difference when me and my friend are saying the N-word when somebody white is trying to insult me. Wow. As I'm listening to this, of course, I remember I was just looking through my clips for the No Agenda show. We go back to my goodness, we go back to 2014 when this was in play and being discussed. And I think it was the mayor of Baltimore who used the thug word. And that's when it became a thing. But some white person must have, was he a white guy at the time? No, probably not. No, no, no. What was that? What was a black lady? Actually, what was her name? Come here.

1:10:56 She was the one that said, give them room to riot. Give them space to riot. What is her name? I have it here. Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Wait one second. I can't remember. Stephanie Rawlings Blake. Vague for me. I don't really remember. But okay, so someone should have advised the president because I'm with you. And I caught it too. But it was inside of baseball. Yeah. Okay. Little inside baseball. Oh, I hit it. It's two words that you can use. I mean, of many, but two words that you can use that are synonyms for the N-word.

1:11:40 And that's thug and punk. Punk. It's the, yes. Wow. It's the way, like I said, it's not, it's not the word itself. It's the way it's used. Got it. Because punk itself has some homo erotic connotations to it. Because when you get punked, that's like somebody taking your manhood from you. Just let me give you some perspective. I come from 10 years before you. Punk, to me, was really the origins of the punk movement in the UK, which was these, you know, these former out-of-work mine workers who would just turn into punks.

1:12:24 And then we got Johnny Rotten and Sid Vishes and the Sex Pistols and the even the Ramones, I think, to a degree were seen as punk. You didn't grow up with that. I grew up with that. So when you just said punk, I went, oh, wait a minute. No. Damn. Punk is like, I'm taking something from you. Like, strong arming. You know, it's not like I'm stealing it from you. Well, I thank you for this explanation because I would have definitely not known that this word had changed the meaning. Yes. But the thug one, when I heard it, I was like, yeah, that's not what you want to say because it does have racial undertones to so not defending because he should know better.

1:13:09 Even thugs, you know, thug to me is more like a gangster kind of, no, in fact, the in the Donald Duck cartoons, you know, the three brothers who were who were, those were thugs. That's what I grew up thinking a thug looked like. Now I know better, but no wonder our politicians, certainly in DC, who are in their 70s and 80s, they're never going to understand this shit. Never. They've got the complete, no, it's out of con. Do you understand what I'm saying? It's like, they need to go. They need to go is the point. If you're not even understanding the words of the culture anymore, how can you even pretend to help?

1:13:49 help lead it or shepherd it or represent it? But to be fair, if Trump said it and it was wrong, how about when Obama said it? Oh, majority of the community in Baltimore, I think, have handled this appropriately, expressing real concern and outrage over the possibility that our laws were not applied evenly in the case of Mr. Gray, and that accountability needs to exist. And I think we have to give them credit. My understanding is, you've got some of the same organizers now going back into these communities to try to clean up in the aftermath of a handful of protesters, a handful of criminals and thugs who tore up the place.

1:14:34 Wow. He even identified first and third wave. He caught himself. Oh, no, I can't call protesters because that's the wrong group. That's wave one. Holy crap. That's why I didn't want to. I didn't want to lead the witness. I wanted you here for yourself. No, I love that. Thanks, Obama. Thanks, Kerry. And then he doubles down from the article in the article of the USA Today. John Ernest, I think that was his press secretary, I want to say.

1:15:13 Yes. It says, President Obama doesn't regret using the term thug and describing violent rioters in Baltimore this week. Spokesman John Ernest said Wednesday, it says, Whether it's arson or you know, looting of a liquor store, those were thuggish acts, Ernest said. In discussion, in discussing the riots Tuesday, Obama assailed the criminals and thugs who tore up the place and described them as a distraction from the real issues of police brutality. Some critics ascribe racial connotations to the word thug.

1:15:51 Baltimore mayor Stephanie Rollins Blake walked back the term earlier this week, but Obama doesn't agree, officials said. So he doubled down and he and he's supposed to know. Like you, you, you said the 60 and 70 year old. I understand that, but he's supposed to be from the community and organizing thugs. I mean, which that's a whole nother. I don't know what it doesn't really surprise me a non-ADOS guy wouldn't know what he's doing. Yeah, I'm just pointing out that or did he say it on purpose? I mean, yes. Right. We need to really look at that. Say, what was he saying when he said that? Because he could have easily walked the bat, but no, he stood on it.

1:16:35 And you know what? This was the beginning of the end for Obama with black people. Quote-unquote, so-called black people. Because it's like, wow. Like, you call it, you should know. Like, you should understand. You should know. You should know. What Chipot was talking about. Like, the anger and the frustration and, you know, these kind of things. But no, he doubled down. So now we need to get into the origin of the word thug. But you want to say something first before we get there because this is another rabbit hole that we need to go down. You know, there's so much that's swirling around my head right now.

1:17:16 Let's just keep going. This is a good, very good moment that you just mentioned there. That this is when it started to turn. Yeah, this is when it unraveled for him. It was like, dude, you really you want to call us thugs? And then Stephanie Rollins Blake, she's a so-called black woman. She used the word thug. Yeah, they like I said, a lot of stuff got exposed around this time. Do you remember what year that was? Baltimore, I think that was, let me see, I have the article here. So click and see. Just for the timeline, just so I kind of remember when that was that he said, was that his first term still?

1:18:01 No, no, this was Freddie Gray. Oh, correct. So this was 14, I believe. All right. Oh, my goodness. I believe, yeah, I believe 14, if I'm not mistaken. Well, I'm with you now that I now that I think about it and I have to re-listen to it again. That sounded more purposeful than anything. Andy, like you said, he slipped out and said protest. No, I mean, I mean, thugs. He had to make sure he separated that. Don't get in trouble with the bass. Wow. Good. Okay. So that article was from April of 2015. So it was even later than I thought. Yeah. Yeah. So he just rolled it out there just like thugs. Now we have to get into the hold on.

1:18:43 Is it possible? that Trump knew exactly what he was saying? I'm not saying that he I'm glad you brought that up. I'm glad you brought that up. Yeah, because there's two things he said that made me cringe. One was a thug thing, and then when they get the looting, yeah, we get the shooting, we get the shooting. He didn't say we, no, he didn't. He said the way he couched it was you can take it either way. It was like one of those when the looting starts, the shooting starts. The shooting starts, right? Because then he could walk it back to say, Well, I meant the criminals will start shooting, but it was a dog whistle to his base, which I think he leaned into his base,

1:19:28 you know, because, well, his experience. Let's be honest. Let's be honest here. Let's just be honest. He's trying to win an election. Yeah. And by the way, I didn't like it either. I was sure he didn't mean that if you start looting, we're going to start shooting. I didn't like it. It wasn't necessary. I think it was. I didn't like it. I think it was inflammatory. It was lame. It was red meat. It was red meat. And I mean, I understand. It pissed a lot of white people off. Yeah. I understand. It was red meat. And he had to let his base know because he needs them to turn out to win. It's a political calculation. I understand it. Like I said, I don't mean it didn't

1:20:08 rub me the wrong way. Yeah, it rubbed me the wrong way. But I understand what he was doing because he's like, okay, I got to throw my base. Let him know I'm the law or the president. Let him know, you're saying the looting won't go on. See, we don't. But I need to say it in a way that I have plausible deniability when I'm questioning on it. I can say it. I can spin it to not mean what I like kind of wink, wink, nah, nah to my base. See, in Texas. Because, like I said, he go ahead. I was going to say, in Texas, we don't threaten with that. You know, it's like, just don't loot. We don't have to say it. Everyone knows what's going on here because if we will end it. We're all armed here. So don't mess around. You know how we get down.

1:20:51 I thought it was like, oh man, really, you got to do that, you New York piece of crap. No, I didn't like it. But he's trying to win an election. So I understood where he was coming from. It doesn't mean it didn't rub me the wrong way and make me look at him kind of side eye. I have family and friends who are worried for their safety, and that didn't help it. So, you know, from I can't excuse it. I don't. No, I'm definitely not excited to excuse it. But I can't even say because you're running, I get it. No. No, I don't like that. I personally. As you always know, I look into the reasoning for why people do things. Of course.

1:21:34 And it's like, I put myself in the orange man's shoes. And it's like, hmm, this black vote thing is kind of experimental. You know, if I can get the same 5%. Right. Because they were trying to triple it, right? They were trying to get it up to 15%. He's like, I'm not going to chase that 15% to lose the confidence of my vote. To lose the base. Yeah. Okay. I'm down with that. Which is sick. Yes. Yes. It is sick. That's the way it works. And I think Obama. Now, let's go back to him saying the same thing. He couldn't look to be seen as weak on crime with Hillary Clinton coming up.

1:22:19 Right. And, you know, so he had to double down and say thugs. And he doubled down on it. So both of them are playing this political game. That's why if I'm going to call it, I got to call it fair. I'm with you. And straight on both sides. I understand why Obama said it. It made me sick. I understand why Trump said it. It made me sick because the last thing you want to see be is weak on crime. The difference is when it comes to election. The M5M media plasters wall to wall when Trump does something like that. Although they didn't because they're too stupid. They missed this one. Right. Oh, man. They missed the big story. They missed it. Yeah, they missed a huge opportunity because they've been down this road before.

1:23:00 I've got clip after clip of M5M newsreaders talking about the thug word being the same as the N-word. So what the media did not do, although he doubled down on it and it had a new cycle of 24 hours, is hound President Obama about it. So there's your big difference. Obama was never called racist. And maybe they didn't do it because they knew Kylie would slam them the way she does. It says, oh, well, you didn't have a problem when Obama said it. I mean, maybe they maybe they pulled back and was like, Kylie, that's all right. This is. is Kylie's new thing. Yeah, that's right. Oh, really? Oh, really? Do you remember when Obama said it?

1:23:46 Right. You thought through that one. Good. I like it. You thought I saw that one. All right. Gotcha. So we got to get to the word origin of thug. And the word thug comes from the word thuggy. Are you aware of this term? No. I'm not. It comes from India. And so the thuggies were basically this band of assassins and robbers and, you know, really bad guys. Let's just use a term that people use. And they will attack the colonizers

1:24:27 in India. Yeah, and I'm putting this in the show notes, everybody. It's very interesting. Yes, the thuggies. Okay. And it's, it even popped up in a popular movie, Indiana Jones. I think it was in Temple of Doom. And I have a clip explaining the thuggy. Across the deepest, darkest jungles of India, there lies a secret network of ancient temples. In centuries past, these were the sites of horrific rituals. But today, they are merely ruins, reminders of a dark power that is best forgotten. Beneath the majesty of Pancock Palace, however, this power still burned, kept alight by the cult of thuggy.

1:25:09 A secret religious society centered in India. The thuggy were united in their worship of Kali, goddess of time, change, death, and the eradicator of all evils. The thuggy committed acts of terrorism and mass murder in her name while offering up human sacrifices in their scattered temples. Their ultimate goal was to rule the world through the power of Kali. I love that. Good. So we're going to look at the esoteric meaning of thug. And today's, it could be this similar because hip-hop is often referred to as a death cult, death cult

1:25:51 as well, because it worships, you know, death and destruction. So I just want to lay that out. And Tupac, it wasn't missed on Tupac with the origin of thug. He knew because I think what was the guy's name? He's basically adoptive father, you know, hipped him to the word thug. So he just wasn't throwing this word, this term around lightly. He understood what the origin of the word was. That's how great art works. So going back to Baltimore, this is where we get into the conspiracy is the second wave allowed to do what they excuse me, is the third wave allowed to do what they do.

1:26:35 And then there's this cat and gap mouse game between the police and the second wave. We get into the crime surge after riots. A deadly and violent weekend in Baltimore. 29 people shot, resulting in nine deaths, bringing the death toll for the month of May to 35, the deadliest month in the city in 16 years. Baltimore's police commissioner says police are struggling in the Western District where Freddie Gray was arrested. Anger and mistrust between police and community at an all-time high.

1:27:14 Bosters tell me and their supervisors anytime in a western monosters pull up to respond to a call, they have 30 to 50 people surrounding them. We have to send out multiple units at any time. They're just doing basic police work in a western right now, which says that we have to work on that community engagement. A veteran Baltimore police officer who asked to keep his identity hidden tells CNN the spike in murders and gun crimes in Baltimore is the direct result of a coordinated police work slowdown. Why do you think that there is a great increase in the murder rate and a number of shootings in this town? Officers stop being proactive. Not patrolling. Not patrolling, just stop being proactive.

1:27:52 Not talking to the community. Not telling them to stop being proactive. I believe this is a direct result from officers holding back. So this was 2015. Right after Freddie Gray, they had the riots. Then the cops said, you know what? Blue flew. Yeah. We're not doing it. We're not doing it. So what I'm laying out is, is this all part of a structure? You have a bad actor come in, do something. Then you have the rioting, and then you have the cops.

1:28:35 painting it as bad, and you say, Okay, fine. And then you have more crime, and then you have a crackdown due to the surge. And I'm not saying everybody's involved, and I'm going to make that quite clear here. I think there's a small covert brotherhood inside of many, many different, many different fields: the medical field, the police field, even education that kind of steer or the callous for things to happen.

1:29:19 And then they step back because they have their marching orders. I'm just going to say that, and I'm going to lay it out later, but just so people know where I'm going with this. Okay. But now you have somebody come to the scene, Raz Simone. Ah, yes, our new leader. So, Chaz is a nation without leaders. It's a flat system. It's anarchy. How long can that continue? Probably not very long. Anarchy isn't built to last. In the end, the strong always dominate the weak. And in fact, it's already happening. It took barely a day for the nation of Chaz to get its first warlord.

1:30:01 And it was quite a promotion for him. Just a week ago, Raz Simone was an up-and-coming rapper. He was also a super host for Airbnb. That's super. Now he's a monarch. In videos taken within Chaz, Simone is seen patrolling the area with his allies. They have guns. They're declaring, We're the police now. In one clip, the monarch's men assault a citizen of Chaz for spray painting graffiti inside the zone. Just like the mafia, Chaz doesn't put up with nonsense like that in their own neighborhood. So, a couple of observations after having paid attention to the show so far. I just love that just throwing in a super anything. I know he's not a super predator, but just throwing a super host of Airbnb just thought it was interesting in light of what we were talking about.

1:30:46 Um, of course, he's a rapper, a rapper. Um, gee, maybe we should listen to what he's rapping about, and it's not important. I mean, it is important, but the fact that they can say he's a rapper, oh, yeah, that gives him credibility. And now you have a black man, and you brought this up about the left being okay with now guns. Oh, yeah, there's no why is that? I'm gonna ask that question, but why all of a sudden now it's okay to have guns? I mean, everybody has guns. And this guy's plucked out and put it on a pedestal of Raz and Chaz.

1:31:28 It's like, what? It's like somebody wrote this in some kind of Raz and Jazz. So, first of all, the what about ism or what Fox News would argue back and forth with MSNBC and CNN is how come everyone is all, oh my goodness, there's white guys with guns hanging out at the Capitol, and that's all scary, and we have to be frightened. And they're far right, and they're probably KKK, Nazi quadruons, whatever. But then we got black guys walking around with guns, and the same people seem to be okay. And we know Democrats has a huge plank in their whole political not talking much about the assault rifles these days at all.

1:32:13 I mean, because you'll say, Well, this is not the way to go, right? They're not saying this is the way to go. And the reason why I laid out the blue flu is this doesn't chazz doesn't happen without George Floyd, right? So now you have the police backing off. That way, the radicals can show their full hand and gain territory. And this is what happens. Now we have they can't use the fox nose. Like, they probably have a list of words we can't use. Like, okay, we can't use super predator. Nope, that's on the list. Can't use thug. Nope, that's on the list. Warlord. Warlord. No, no, warlord.

1:32:59 That's the new one. Yeah, exactly. Warlord. There's no war, but, or is there, but warlord. I mean, that has, you know, this goes when I was saying about the kids being child soldiers back in the early 90s. This lends to that point I made there. Now they're warlords. So I went and found some tape of Raz Simone speaking at a Black Life. Lives Matter protest. You know what I'm saying? It's like Black Lives Matter.

1:34:07 That's the issue. We got so many media sources trying to divide us. For a while, we didn't think up that these memes were also trying to divide us. We thought, oh, boy, I like that meme. Fuck cis males. Oh, I like that meme. White people are tripping. Stop. All that is propaganda. It's propaganda. We saw what happened. We saw how Russia infiltrated us. Their spies literally just used memes to infiltrate our country. What? Wait a minute. This guy, is he a senator? And I didn't know it. Is he in the House of Representatives? Is he going to pull in on the Russia gate?

1:34:50 I'm using that clip on no agenda. Thank you. And he feels the pressure because he knows I made the point last time. Everything about this whole George Floyd, Black Lives Matter Inc., everything, the cisgendered black male has been the face of it. Yes. He realizes that. This is why he's been elevated to the position he's been elevated to because, like, when it hits the fan, it's like, oh, it was the straight black guys. You know, they're the white guy. The white people are black people. And by the way, we know it can't be the LGBTQQIAPK

1:35:33 black capital B people. Because look how nice it was in Brooklyn. They had a great little rally. Everything was fine. Everyone was happy. Right. It's the black guys. Yeah. It's the straight black guys. They're the problem. That's the problem. Every turn, the Atlanta cops, the only cops really hurt, not the one that did the shooting. We'll talk about that later date. I'm talking about the ones that harassed the two kids from Morehouse and Spelman. Oh, yeah. The Rockefeller created Rockefeller created HBCUs. Yeah, those five cops, black. The black cop that was killed guarding the point, the pawn shop, black guy. Black guy. You know, who else? George Floyd himself, black guy.

1:36:20 All along the whole way. Black, black, black, black, black, black, black, straight men. And now we have Raz Simone from Chaz. You can't make this shit up. This is so good. It is so good. So I got this clip, and I forget what podcast it comes from, but I just want to hear the conversation. And they talk about Chaz takes a dangerous turn for the worse. Take a look at this book. Thank you, everybody. It says, Raz is handing out AR-15s from the back of his Tesla. I want one. He's got a Tesla. He's got a Tesla. He's got a bunch of rifles. Dude, if you have a Tesla, you're living comfortable. He's living comfortable.

1:37:06 You're privileged. He's got rifles here. Isn't this the case with a lot of these like Occupy patients style protests? Trust fun babies. No, look, it's always the people of means who have the ability to actually do this stuff. They get free time. That's true. So take a look at this. It says in Washington to own an assault rifle, a person must be 21 plus. If outside their own home or business, they can charge Raz with a gross misdemeanor for the first transfer to anyone under 21, then a felony for everyone after. In this video, you actually see this dude Raz. Now, they've been calling him the warlord of the Chaz. So now we got Chaz handing out AR-15s out of the trunk of his Tesla.

1:37:48 Actually, the Tesla's never trunk. You only got a thing in the front. Oh, excuse me. I haven't had the luxury of friends. I drove one. I'm just a weekend once, and it's not worth it, Mo. Don't worry. He's handing out AR-15s out of the front of his Tesla. Excuse me. Stand correctly. That's all right. Just making sure we dot the eyes across T's. Of course, he's handing it to a white kid. Oh, yeah. He's corrupting. He's corrupting the young white youth. This Raz here. Come on. Come on, man. Joe Biden. Man. And he's just conveniently caught. You couldn't do this in a warehouse somewhere. I mean, like, you're doing it on the streets.

1:38:34 Yeah. This whole thing stinks. Well, of course it does. It's just, it's, it's just waiting for something to happen, I guess. Oh, it goes deeper, Adam. I wish it was just that simple. But let's get into the dangerous turn for the worst part two. In my opinion, you know what I find really funny? Where are all the gun control lefties to be alike? You shouldn't be able to lend a gun to somebody. I don't think you can. I don't think that's legal. I think you can in some places. That's why I throw it to the chat. Are you allowed to take a weapon and be like, here you go? They're saying, no, you can't do that. Overwhelming no. No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no. Well, I don't know if you've actually asked yet, or maybe you did, but it's an overwhelming no.

1:39:16 Anyway, I feel bad. This Raz is going to get that guy killed. Yeah. Yep. Whoever it is. Interesting. First of all, I think this panel of experts is wrong. I believe that is a loophole that is a proposed law that people want to close. Oh, you can give guns? Yeah, I think you can. I just want to show that the warlord thing is sticking. Oh, of course the warlord. He's running around. They have no idea what a warlord is if you're using the. And it was Tucker Carlson who launched that, as far as I know. I don't think anyone else, I think he launched it.

1:39:59 He's the first person I heard talk about. Yeah, it's the first I heard of it too. A Raz. I'm about to say Chaz, but yeah, the first person to talk about Raz and the Warlord. But he said, but he said it in a mocking way because he's been doing the shtick of, well, the brand new nation of Chaz, you know, he's mocking it, which is entertaining to a degree. But then he threw in the warlord, and I think he meant it cynically or kind of in a mocking way, but it's really been taken quite seriously this term. It stuck. It stuck. Yeah, it did. You're so right. And we've seen this before: black men with guns being demonized with the Black Panthers and the Munford Act.

1:40:42 In early 1967, the Black Panthers organized armed patrols through the poorest neighborhoods of Oakland, California, an act that some call the beginning of the modern gun rights movement. We would get out of the car. We would walk up to the scene. Those who had rifles would carry them in the open. Clearly visible. We would stand at a distance where the police couldn't say they were interfering with their arrest or their detention of the individual. And to make sure that there's no brutality,

1:41:22 the police were confronted by citizens who were not just voicing their opinions, but were armed. Yeah, that was Ronald Reagan I heard in there. And I think this is from the Ronald Reagan era. It is. But the beginning of the modern gun control began with the Mulford with armed black men. Thanks again. What do they do that leading? Crikey. What do they have up their sleeve for Mr. Raz? What's really coming here? I'm thinking. When I see these things, I'm like, you're handing guns out of a Tesla, out of the front of a Tesla.

1:42:04 And to white kids, on camera, this seems like a setup. Yeah, like for something to happen so we can really get something going here. We can get some gun laws because then you can say even the left can't get guns right. I didn't mean that as a pun. They can't. Yes, very good. So now we got to take everybody's guns, of course, right? Obviously, we got kids with Teslas. Right. So let's get to the second part of the Black Panthers clip. Mr. Wilford, your bill, you held your bill back to Spring. What do you have in mind?

1:42:43 Well, first, it's my intention to make it a felony to bring a loaded weapon into the state capitol. I think that the incident points out that shockingly that the laws are inadequate, but also serves to emphasize the fact that the laws are inadequate to protect the innocent public when bands of armed people. Let me make it perfectly clear. This has nothing to do with any racial incident because in my testimony yesterday, there were five white groups I discussed in one Negro group. When bands of armed people with loaded weapons can move about our streets, streets intimidating and frightening citizens.

1:43:23 I think we should act and we intend to act. That's how they were seen, huh? Now, the Black Panthers were protecting their own citizens. At least that's what I learned. It was completely okay for people to have loaded guns in California up until this point. But of course, it's not race-related. Oh, no. That's just a hell of a coincidence. I'm telling you, man, this thing stinks. Yes, yes, yes. And when you really start to dig in to who armed the Black Panthers, it even stinks even more. We begin today's show with explosive new allegations that the man who gave the Black Panther Party some of its first firearms and weapons training was an undercover FBI informant in California.

1:44:09 Richard Aoki was an early member of the Panthers and the only Asian American to have a formal position in the party. He was also a member of the Asian American Political Alliance that was involved in the Third World Liberation Front student strike. The claim that Aoki was informed and his colleagues is based on statements made by a former agent of the FBI in a report obtained by investigative journalist Seth Rosenfeld, author of the new book, Subversives: The FBI's War on Student Radicals and Reagan's Rise to Power. Oh, man, this is so good. And as you're kind of setting us up, I can already feel where it's headed.

1:44:50 But for sure, there's always been a move. It's like, if we can just disarm everybody, then we'll really have control. And man, it was an article in The Nation, and it was about Trump's seeming lack of response. And this is why when you were talking about setup, something's going on. It obviously, at surface level, at a very surface level analysis, it's obvious Trump is being baited. He's being baited. From a political standpoint, nothing would be better for Joe Biden to have the 101st airborne cracking skulls of kids

1:45:39 in downtown Seattle. So I think he's not going to do that. Yeah, you know, it's like that's what we need. Kent State Trump. That's exactly what they're going for. It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't. Correct. You don't do anything at his base. And I think that's why he had to throw red meat to him because he's like, he has to still seem in control, even though he knows his hands are tied that he really can't do anything. It's like when your kid acts up in the supermarket, you really want to spank him, but it's like, I don't want to carry calling the cops on me. You know, it's like, what did you? My mom, here's what my mom would do.

1:46:18 She would grab my face with her hands and squeeze so hard. And she's like, oh, are you feeling better now? Are you going to be a little bit quieter? And she would squeeze my mouth to be like a goldfish. I know exactly what you're talking about. Did you get that? Is it really tactic? That's where she got it from, no doubt. What did your mom do? The exact same thing. Or through clinched teeth saying, you know, we're trying to get you home. Yeah, okay. Like that kind of thing. But the squeeze, I think that's a mom boot camp.

1:46:58 We got to remember to talk about that because, you know, we had the hairbrush. We had all kinds of stuff. I'd just like to know if at one point we should talk about that, see what differences there were in our households. That's exactly what it is. The kids are acting up in the grocery store, and Trump's like, I can't get you here. You know, it's like his hands are tied. But it's amazing how the Black Panthers are walking around the streets of California with FBI-supplied guns. History repeats itself. No, history repeats itself. But let's get back into the second clip of the FBI informant. Over the last 30 years, Rosenfeld sued the FBI five times to obtain confidential records.

1:47:40 He eventually compelled the agency to release more than 250,000 pages from their files. In this video, produced by the Center for Investigative Reporting, Rosenfeld explains how he first stumbled across information about Richard Aoki. A former FBI agent had heard that I was doing research, then he contacted me. His name was Bernie Spreadkill. But he says, Hey, I know that guy. And he said, Aoki was my informant. I developed him. Seth Rosenfeld reports. that Aoki may have been covertly filing reports on a wide range of Bay Area political groups, according to the bureau agent who recruited him.

1:48:24 He interviewed Aoki twice in 2007 about those allegations. Where'd you get this from? What's the source of this? That's Amy's show. What is it? What is there? What is there? NPR? Not NPR. PBS. PBS. Democracy Now. Yeah, Democracy Now. Yes. Okay. So this is not from some right-wing publication. This is the left talking about how these groups were infiltrated. So I found this other clip of another ex-FBI informant, and he really lays out how that process works of the infiltration and how it's tracked

1:49:07 and goes on. In the summer of 1978, I interviewed a man who worked as an informer for the FBI during the 1960s. His name is Darthard Perry, also known as Ed Riggs, also known as Bill Perry, also known as Othello. How were you paid? The pay was always in cash. Cash, and you would sign a card. It would go like this: a rendezvous or a drop-off point would be picked out either by yourself or the agent. You would meet the agent there, and usually it would be in a vehicle. You get in the vehicle, he would hand you the money.

1:49:46 He would tell you first to count the money. He would tell you the amount while you counted it. If the amount was there, he would then bring out a card. On that card would be for the week of such and such. In other words, the week was dated, so-and-so has been paid the amount of. Then you would sign the card, and then the agent would sign the card. The reason for this is that if all of a sudden the IRS became very interested about where you were getting all this extra money from, you could always tell them to go back to the bureau and the bureau would have your cards on file. Convenient taxable income. Yes.

1:50:29 We'll exempt you from that. No problem. Nice. I just wanted to give a background how these interactions took place. And the incentive, actually, there were incentives to collect even more information. Were there such things as bonuses? Oh, yes. What were they paid for? Bonuses were paid for, suppose while you were meeting with, or you were at a meeting with Bobby Seals, Chulai of the Red Army happened to come to the meeting too, which is something which would be a new development.

1:51:15 That's bonus time. In other words, a hot piece of information. Hot piece, very hot piece. Did you ever suffer pangs of conscience? Quite a few times. Quite a few times. I still suffer pains of conscience. I suffer from the fact that a lot of people trusted me and I misused that trust. I suffer from the fact that a lot of information that I gave out was the undoing of certain groups or certain people. And wait a minute.

1:51:56 Did he just implicate Bobby Seals? One of the, I think, was he one of the founders of the Black Panthers, one of the originators? Well, that was the West Coast Panthers. I'm not going to go down the Panther rabbit hole today. All right. Because there is a difference between the Fred Hampton East Coast Panthers and then the West Coast Panthers. There's a huge difference. And I don't want to go down there. But what I would like to tell people to know is we give you hot pieces of information without pains of consciousness. I mean, so we give you good information and we, you know,

1:52:36 and we reward it back with value as well. Yes, we do. And here is a clip to put that in motion. How did my whole speech about how I need subs to get this stream going? If you like the content, blah, blah, blah. How that results in zero subs. There are regulars here. $5 a month. How do you have hours of time to watch me and not $5? I don't know. What are you doing with your life where you have hours of time to watch and not $5 to provide for the content? that you're watching. Because it's like people just really have no, really don't respect me as a content creator.

1:53:18 Girlfriend, you may be doing it wrong. How about you make an outstanding product first, not just sit there yammer about? Who the hell knows what she's all about? Yes. But part of it is that we don't believe in taking commercial or corporate money for any reason because or government money. Government money. Yeah. And I'm still waiting for the offer from Russia, but you know, I haven't seen any of that. So we really know that we can't, we'd be canceled. Mo would be canceled. I'd be canceled. The show wouldn't happen if we had advertisers. That's how we had to rely on for income.

1:53:56 Not interested in that. We're interested in value. Value comes in many different forms on this show and these types of programs, value for value. If you hear someone talking about it, it can just be you contributing a piece of information, helping getting someone else to listen. There's a lot of ways to do it. Obviously, we love it when people translate the value they get from the show because we think it's an outstanding product. It is an outstanding product. Whatever that value is to you, for some, well, you'll see in these notes, because this is why we'd like to highlight our producers and thank them for their financial support. They like to talk to us in numerology. They like to talk to us in different kinds of notes.

1:54:36 And we'll start off with our executive producers for episode 41, which is $200 and above. And we kick it off with Jackie Green with $333.33, which is an unbelievably gracious value to us and really appreciate that. And Jackie says, great new podcast, fellas. Love from the Green family. Thank you very much. Top exec for today. Stephanie Sikes at $242.45. Keep bringing the heat is the note. I'm not sure what the 24245. Do you have any idea what the number is for? If that's something I should know, 24245. I don't recognize it.

1:55:19 Well, Stephanie, if you want to follow up, let us know. Thank you very much. Then we have regular David Fugazzotto Dave comes in with his favorite 234 to 23456. And he has a note here. Mo and Adam, these shows get better and better. And I find myself frequently doing the MoFax version of propagating the formula. This podcast is exactly what should be taught in university-level black studies course. However, I suspect the typical syllabus is quite different. Thanks for having the conversations that we should be having if we ever want to see improvement in our collective understanding of race. Keep it up. And how about a heaping helping of Mo Karma? I think we definitely can hand that out to you, Sir Dave.

1:56:04 You've got Mo Karma. Dave has been separate. He's in the kingdom of Saudi Arabia. He's been separated from his family for, I think, almost five months now. Yeah. Although I read that it was lifting some restraint. Yeah, he can't fly out and they can't fly in. It's really, it's messed up. But clearly, we're keeping him busy. Thank you, David. Now, this next note, our next executive producer, Travis Rudolph, $200. Now, he says specifically, he says, you know, and the way we, Jamo and I talked about it before the show, we interpreted that he said, you don't have to read this note, but I really want to share it because this is the kind of note that

1:56:47 makes it really, that's why I get up in the morning. And I think, Mo, you share my sentiment on this. Travis Rudolph says, gentlemen, thank you for episode number 40. I randomly chose that episode on a road trip from Seattle to Idaho this weekend. I wanted to treat my family to a weekend of unmuzzled freedom and eating inside a restaurant. There was a transformational impact on us listening to your discussion. We paused the podcast many times to have conversations amongst ourselves. Hardest hit by all of this craziness has been my 18-year-old daughter. She's a white teenage senior, the hardest working person I know.

1:57:23 She busted her ass every school, every year of school, did all the right things, running, start, band, theater, AP classes, received a full scholarship at a top-rated private university. She got fucked out of all the experiences she earned, graduation, senior prom, final play, post-high school summer vacation. Now she has lifelong friends disavowing her for refusing to stand on a street corner screeching at people about black lives. I helplessly watched her sink into a very dark sadness. The pain of that I can't describe. It's a deep cut. Your podcast changed her. On the trip home, I watched her listen to you.

1:58:04 I watched. watched her listen to your podcasts. She was taking notes. I know my daughter. She's a tiny, shy, introvert, introverted force of nature. She's studying your work. Adam, get that list of clips up. Yes, I'm doing it now. It's already up. She's starting to stand up straight again, smile, and joke. She's arming herself with facts. Now, I'm not, here's where he says, I'm not wanting you to read this on the podcast necessarily, just wanting you to know the positive impact on my family. No jingles, just a shout out to my daughter. She'll hear it. Alyssa, I love you so much. I could not be more proud of you. And to the people responsible for this, a big double barrel middle finger F you.

1:58:46 Thanks, guys. Travis says, P.S. Mo, get a P.O. box. We'll put you on our Christmas card list, which you need to go. We love Christmas card. This is this note warms my heart. I really, really appreciate you telling us this story, Travis. Like I said, I'm at a loss for words that, you know, the way we can help people. I mean, we come here and we have a good time, but when you can help people and have a good time, I couldn't think of anything better I would spend three hours on each week. And that's just the part people hear, Mo. Right. Not the work that goes into the three hours.

1:59:25 Thank you so much, Travis. Really appreciate that. First Associate Executive Producer, $100 from Katie McKernan. Hey, Mo and Adam, she says, thanks for the show. I really love that you discuss so many difficult topics that no one else will touch. I just sent in my value for value via PayPal. I've learned so much from your conversations and hope you keep it going. We all need this. A little Mo Karma would be great. Yes, of course. You've got Mo Karma. Josh Quinlin, also an associate executive producer with $100, says, really enjoying learning along with you, Adam and Moe. Thank you so much. Then we have Connor Lawrence, $61.61.

2:00:08 No idea why the numbers. Love it anyway. Wait, $61.61. That's got to be some kind of weird sexual thing. I don't think about it. In the morning. In the morning, gents, in Light of Father's Day, my donation is for my papa in heaven, who would have been 61 this year. Okay. We got it. All right, man. He took me to my first concert when I was 13. Slayer in Poughkeepsie. Yes. Nice. That's a good one to see when you're 13. I love you and miss you every day, Dad. And if y'all could do an F Cancer for everyone who lost their fathers out there, it would be deeply appreciated. And maybe a Woosa and a Mo Karma for all the dads out there, you two included.

2:00:51 Thank you. One question for you both. Have you read the letter by Cardinal Vigano to Trump? And if so, what are your thoughts? Yes, I have. Have you read this, Mo? No, I haven't seen that. If you could send me a link, I'd love to. Yeah, he's a retired. I think it was Archbishop. I don't know if he was Cardinal or Archbishop. He's making, he's clearly siding with Trump and is causing all kinds of interesting strife inside the church communities, communities, I should say, because there's many, many of them. So definitely something that'll come up somewhere, I'm sure, Connor.

2:01:31 Thank you both for the show last week and all that you've provided me in mind and spirit. Even though I've never met either of you, I know that both of you are tremendous fathers and deserve two months' vacation with pay for the thankless job you have. And I say the same for all dads out there. Moms can keep that hallmark bullshit. Give dad something tangible, gosh darn it. Love and lights, Jen. People catching on. Love and light, gents. Keep up the Lord's work with love and reverence. Your friend Connor. And is this? He has a, I guess, a signature. There's no such thing as white-collar crime. There's no such thing as black on black crime. Crime is crime. Let me tell you something. I don't care if you're in a white collar or a tank top.

2:02:14 If you rob me, I'm going to whoop your ass. Attributed to Bernie Mac Connor. Thank you very much. I think I have that handy. While you're looking forward, I just want to say something right quick: that don't underestimate the power of a good dad. I mean, you heard Tupac say it. I mean, it would have changed his life tremendously. And I think that, you know, I would like to dedicate this show to my dad as well. So don't let that be missed. That's so nice. In the meantime, I did find it. And here we go. You've got. Mo Carmen.

2:03:02 nice combo. Thank you, Con. Just powerful stuff there. $60 from Alejandro Al Coser, Al Sausser. I'm not sure how to pronounce it. Hey, Moe, just started listening from Rogan to No Agenda to you. Nice. From Rogan to No Agenda to you. And I find your insights unparalleled and packed with fascinating information. Thank you for doing this. And I would love to hear you as a guest on other great podcasts like The Portal with Eric Weinstein. We talked about him several times. And I predict many appearances for you, young Mo in your future. I'm quite sure of this. $50 from Mike Clark, who just says thank you, and we thank you.

2:03:44 Peter Boyle, $50, no note. Chris Cowen or Cohen, $50. Mo and Adam. Oh, Baron Chris here. I started listening in February. Time to be a donor, not a boner. By the way, I'm also a Jay Dyer listener, so was surprised to hear your sound clip from his analysis of The Wizard of Oz. Yes, indeed. Actually, Jay Dyer reached out on Instagram. Oh, that's right. Didn't he ask if we should be on the show? Isn't it something like that? Yeah, he actually asked that as well. I told him I'll run it by you, but he actually followed on Instagram, said we did a great analysis on that show as well. So does he want us both on them? Yeah, both, both. Really? I don't know at the same time or different or what I'll be wanting.

2:04:29 I think you should do this. You need to go. You need to be on his show. Right. I told him that we'll get back to him, but if he's listening, that offer still, I mean, is accepted. Just let us know when. Yeah, you should let me know when. Totally do that. Totally. Right. I've not heard his show, but I'll have a listen to him. He does a lot of in-depth. Yes, I've heard of him, of course. It's only so much time in the day. It's nuts. Okay, so perfect. Thank you, Chris. Mitchell Dunn, $50. No note, but thank you very much. David Drake, love the show. Went from JRE to No Agenda to MoFax and have already felt the value and donated to both No NG, I presume he means No Agenda, and MoFax.

2:05:15 This is great. And this is what Joe told me. He says that it worked for him just by everyone going on each other's podcast. And it works, man. I love that. Thank you, David. Start Now Media, $50 with a note that says an amazing show and powerful resource. Love you both. Thank you. And again, we're now putting the clips into all of our show notes, and I'll get that done retroactively as well. Firearms Training Central left no note, but did leave $50 for us. And we thank Firearms Training Central. Nathan Craddock, my wife and I, $50 from Nathan. My wife and I have been listening together and we're loving the show. The structure, format, and obvious effort that goes into each episode is fantastic. Thank you.

2:05:58 We appreciate that. $50 from Julian Erickson. Your show is incredible. And the timing couldn't be better to have these conversations. You two are doing the Lord's work. Keep it up. I've learned long ago the universe works in various your Lord, universe, whatever you want. It works in strange and mysterious ways. I'm sure none of this is a coincidence. It's part of some plan. These things happen. A single tweet. Just let that people let that site sink in. A single DM. Yeah, say it again. Give this synopsis. It's nice for people. A single DM on me sharing with Adam some information on ADOS and reparations

2:06:40 snowballed into what you see here today. And it'll continue to snowball into many other opportunities and just opportunities. I mean, to share good information. I hope people understand that. It was just one single DM. And it's beautiful. And how it happened was perfect. And I think show one, we probably talked about that a little bit. Right. I think so. Where were we? I think you stopped. Stop. I'm at Paul Arsenal. Paul Arsenal, $50.

2:07:18 Mo has educated me in 20 episodes and then three years. Oh, Mo has educated me in 20 episodes. I think it should be more than that. More than. Yeah, more than three years of sociology with a fraction of the cost so far. Yeah, you go. Seeing a new Mo Fax episode makes happiness shine through the fog. Wusa, please. Of course we got that for you. Travis Rudolph. Wow, this is Travis coming back again. Is it? Was that a different Travis that we had at the top? I think this is Travis Rudolph.

2:08:01 Other Travis Travis. Yes, I think he has a subscription, Mo. So maybe. I think so. Okay. Wait, am I just making this up? Now, here it is, Travis Rudolph. Oh, it's an FYI, $50. FYI, I'm a white trash high school dropout. I was never supposed to be anything. My daughter's the first of my family to go to college. I made a decent life for my family through trade, through a trade. We support anyone who is hardworking. America is not racist. Thank you, Travis. I'd like that note. Art von der Wilp sounds like one of our Dutch producers.

2:08:38 $50. No note, but thank you, Art. Aaron Baer, $50. And the note is: is it me, or do you see an angle to cover both Adam and John's white tears in the face of America's changing demographics? Well, this is a question for you, I think. Let me try it again. I read that question. I'm not understanding. I wanted to see what you took from it. Is it me or do you see an angle to cover? I'm wondering if he's talking about this show or not. Yeah, I think. Let me read it. I'll read it again. Read the whole thing and read the whole thing. And it's $50. So thank you, Aaron, for this. All right. Aaron says, is it me, or do you see an angle to cover both Adam and John?

2:09:22 That would be Dvorak. White tears in the face of America's changing demographics. America will be a majority non-white nation within the next 25 years. Whites who are not black adjacent, family of color in any variation for inclusion's sake, are having families. Yep. Are having a hard time with this because, as Dave Chappelle told us, white supremacy is a hell of a drug. Feel free to mention my other moniker, Incognigro. Oh, so Incognigro, who I believe is Ados, has been supporting no or was supporting No Agenda Show. I don't know if he still does. In fact, we thought he was man overboard. And I think his question is:

2:10:06 if somehow this show is to, I don't know, help us either spiritually over the changing demographic. The way I take it, and this is interesting, I don't want to know who you take it. The way I take it is he's saying, oh, well, boo-hoo, these guys are going to be in the minority and you're helping them or you're giving them. I interpret this quite negatively as maybe as giving them credibility. How do you take it? It's kind of smelled of that. I'm going to tell people right now: if I've dealt you a virtue signaling or

2:10:48 trying to bend to accommodate me, I would definitely let you know. I mean, like, I mean, that would be something like, dude, you got knocked it off. Because we come here as two men. I want everybody to know the format of this show. I look at things in the media as the third wave, right? We looked at the third wave. We talked about it, but nobody humanized them. I bring the information to you, and then we talk about it. We process. And I don't want you to say, oh, let me see what will make Mo happy. No, I want you to push back as we did with passing and any other things.

2:11:32 If we don't agree, then we say, you know what? We don't agree about that. And it might even be another show when we go on these little tangents of disagreeing because at the end of the day, that's what makes us different tribes. We want to be different tribes. Yes. Or different schools of fish. You know what? I can't get with that. Or, you know, I don't see it that way. And then we move on. But to just kowtow to each other, that's very disingenuous. And I wouldn't be part of anything. No, me neither. Who has time? I have no time for that shit. Neither do you. Right. There's a bunch of liberals out there I could do this show if that's what I wanted to do is have somebody kiss my ass.

2:12:12 And that's not, that's not what I want. I mean, I've not ever even seen Mo. He could be a Jewish white guy for all I know. No idea who this guy is. I don't know who he is. Don't start that again. Quincy just got convinced. Don't let Quincy undoubtedly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But Incognigro, I will let JCD know that you're around. And certainly appreciate your very much appreciate your support. So I guess you are receiving some value from this. And yeah, I'll echo what you just said, Mo. We're two American guys. guys. We happen to be two American dads. That's pretty much it.

2:12:53 And we have American, you know, was a little age difference, 10 years, but not much. And we have very similar issues and views. Surprise, surprise. And then we have very different lineage and generational makeups. But what we come here is say how we perceive things. We see the same thing. And sometimes it's like blue gold dress or black gold. That's right. And like I said, we provide a conversation so people can say, you know, I'm not crazy as well. And then you hear from all these other clips there. And if we start, like I said, we even limit our contact not to pollute the show

2:13:37 in that way. Correct. So we'll send each other a link or something. And like, hey, check this out. Check that out. But no, that's the beauty of it. Yeah. That isn't total beauty. Right. All right. Well, this is, this is one of the best donation segments we've had. I really like it. And we're almost there. Tyler Boyd, $50. Dear Mo and Adam, I had a dream last night. I was driving and saw Malcolm X walking down the street. So I picked him up, bought him a new pair of shoes. I don't know what it means, but I've decided to donate to MoFax. Keep up the good work. P.S. Have you ever looked into Malcolm's spiritual beliefs, especially after his Hajj journey? There was a definite after Malcolm's pilgrimage, he did do a

2:14:21 pivot because he saw kind of like what like it lends into the last conversation. We were just having the world is a lot bigger than we make it to be. But people are very similar when you boil it down to the simple things. So true. And most people are dicks. Just depends on how much of a dick they are. Serving too. Of course. Of course we are. Everybody is. Sven Holstella, no note, but $49.99. Thank you very much. CSS Computer Solutions and Service. Oh, this DH Slamma. That God Show. The Islam Post.

2:15:05 There you go. I'm sorry. Let me try that again. DH Slamma the God show club donation. So this is a new, this is the $41, right? This is the DH Slamma the God Show Club donation, $41. And he wants a Wusa. We got that for you. Hit the Wusa. Wusa. Get the kick out of that one. Where are we? Christopher Sharbaruck, $40, he says, for episode 40 from No Agenda, Sir Acid of the Candinavian Woods. Thank you very much, Sir Acid of the Candinavian Woods. Chris Grimal, $40.

2:15:46 Wow, what a revelation with the wizard and the wizard of Oz and the Yellow Streets. Thank you for another eye-opening show. Yeah, we got a lot of feedback on that. Love it. Torben Peterson, $33.33, a magic number. No note, but thank you. Randall Curry. Oh, Randall, I am not familiar. 33.33. Thank you, Moe. Always an incredible analysis and tremendous value to me. Adam's okay, too. Please keep it going. That says Randy. Thank you, Randy. If you want Randy at Curry.com for email address, hit me up. Happy to do it. Paul Arsenal. I think this is Paul's. I just saw him. Didn't we just see him up here with 50? Yeah, this may be his special donation, 31.56.

2:16:29 It's probably Candinavian Dolorettes. So that's why it's an odd number. And it says, Sir Candinavian owes Mo for happiness. Well, we just like to look at value. And if you're looking at value and happiness, that's perfectly fine by us. Bristol and Strauch, $30. No note. Thank you. Don Mills, excellent work. Keep it up. And thank you with the $25. Elvis, here we go. Chef Elvis Rosenberg. The chef himself, $25. One word note. Brilliant. Thank you. Joseph Diverniero. I know this name. Found you guys from No Agenda. There you go. Immediately subscribed after checking out our episode. Currently catching up on all the back catalog. Could I please get some Mo Karma? You know you can. Thank you so much, Joseph.

2:17:14 You've got. Mo Karma. Steve Dew, also a familiar name, $21. And the note, the word radical comes from the Latin radicalis, meaning of or pertaining to the root. Our man Mo is not concerned or satisfied with observing and attacking the leaves or even the branches of the tree of evil. Same for Adam, which is why the universe led them to each other. There you go. That's why they both dig deep to get to the root of the problem to see where it is growing growing from. from. We all listen to do the same thing. So to keep you guys chasing the white, so to keep you guys chasing the white rabbit for us to be able to listen, here's a new one and an old 20 to support the show.

2:17:57 Stay radical. Give me that goat Woosa, Adam, says Steve Dew with $21. Thank you very much, man. That's incredibly appreciated. And I'll give you that versus that. $20 from Paul Rothwell. Thank you very much. Casey Marshall, also $20. Carlo Romero, $20. And he says episode 40 was truly a masterpiece, leaving my usual 20 in appreciation of what you guys do, which is simply tell the truth. I've been to the third world countries where I've seen what poverty does to its people. I'm glad and fortunate to be living in this country. Which direction do you feel our country is headed? For the better or for the worse? Or are these times simply history repeating itself?

2:18:39 Tukampara, says Carlo. I'll let you answer that first, Mo. I think they're trying to head us to a communist country, but I just don't think we're going to give it up that easy. I just don't think it's in the core of us. I think we'll go down fighting before that happens. And before that, and I'll say this: if you just make people aware what's going on, the biggest tool they have right now is propaganda. So we have to counter that, then it doesn't need to get to anything negative.

2:19:18 I agree. And I cannot say anything else other than as an American that, of course, this is going to, we're going to come out of this much better, but I believe it will get a hell of a lot worse before we turn the corner. We're not there yet. But as you point out, Mo, with information, we arm us with ourselves with that and counter the propaganda, which is really everyone can do just by turning off the damn phone and television for a bit. I think it will get better. I'm an optimist, so I have no other way to think. Rounding out signs. Yeah, I know you are. Sean DeSantis enjoys the show. Sent us $20. $19.12 from Jonathan Evans. Thank you for your show. The last episode was maybe the best yet.

2:20:02 That's very nice of you to say. John Taylor sends us $15. James Holly, keep that Mo Karma coming. I'll give you some of that right now if you need it. You've got Mo Karma. Sebastian Mariquin sends us $10 and says, as a non-black father of two adult black daughters, you provide way more value than I have given in helping me better understand the mind control media that my girls are inundated with and the many hours of eye-opening dinner conversation we've had due to the talking points I've gotten from Mo. Another great note. I love hearing this, Sebastian. Thank you. I'm sure Mo feels. And this is how we change it.

2:20:45 I mean, we get the younger people. And I would love to get the younger people catch me on. That way we can arm them with good facts, pushback. Exactly. Information they can use in their processing and need to provide it all. Two more here. Daniel Novetta, $5. Value for value. Daniel says, more to come after my wedding. Take your time. We'll be here. No worries. Family first. Thank you for the value. It's highly appreciated. And finally, Pineapple Brickyard says, in the morning with $3.33, we love the magic numbers. Thanks for the wonderful black history insights and the most affordable producer credits in podcasting.

2:21:30 You're more than welcome. And we really appreciate all of our producers who have helped us in our value for value proposition. We're glad you get it. We're glad you understand it. The notes are great. Hearing some of these personal stories are just fantastic and it's appreciated. You can support us by going to mofacts.com. That's our main website. You can find the podcast feed there. And of course, we have archives, which are getting better by the day. And if you want to support the show, if you want to return some value, you can go directly to our donation page, which is at mofundme.com, M-O-E-F-U-N-D-M-E dot com.

2:22:07 And thank you all again so much. Which means we've come to the crescendo of the show. My favorite bit where you, well, who knows what you'll do today? Well, we talked about the involvement of the police in this whole song and dance act. Yes. Before we get to the police, and because it's not just exclusive to them, I said it's in the medical field. It's in the education. educational field, even probably even business, I'm sure, as well. We have this thing where you, I think you sent it to me. It was the nurse that exposed what was going on in New York.

2:22:53 The undercover nurse, yes. The undercover nurse, yes. She said a couple things, she said a lot, but she said a couple things that I wanted to pluck out and just share with people and then think about it in this in the same mindset into the police department. So what we have here is the setup to fail. I don't know. I honestly, I have no idea how there is. I should probably set this up a little bit better. Just please. Because the video of hers really didn't get as much traction as I thought it would. Maybe correctly so. I don't know. Okay. This was an

2:23:37 Army veteran who had a nurse who had served in Iraq, done, I think, two tours, and she works at a small hospital, a private hospital in Florida. And when the coronavirus struck New York City, she went to New York to Elmhurst, which is the epicenter of the epicenter, as we've learned from the brilliant Governor Cuomo, where this is where people were dying left and right. They had the refrigerated trucks instead of the morgue, it was full. It was horrible. And she has done this long expose of what she feels were all incredibly bad practices and equivalent of death panels of deciding who lives, who doesn't, mistakes, procedural issues, possible

2:24:23 choices being made for money. Really, really eye-opening. I will disclaim it, Joe, by saying that I've had several medical professionals email me and they do take issue with some of the things she says, although there's a lot of things that everyone agrees on. But I'm very so I'm, I think this will stand by itself, whatever the clips are, I haven't heard them. So that's who the undercover nurse is. And she has a book coming out and all kinds of stuff. So we'll learn more about her and people have the opportunity to debunk her if necessary. But it shocked me for sure. I don't know. I honestly, I have no idea how

2:25:06 they're assuming everybody is just the same. There's no individuality anymore. These residents, I think a lot of them are just stone cold. You know, there's no emotion and they don't view people as people anymore. You almost feel like you are literally living in the Twilight Zone. And you feel like you're the only sane one and a bunch of insane people. And it's scary because these are the people that others are trusting to take care of them. And they're really doing the opposite. I'm to the point where I'm afraid that I'm going to start thinking that this is normal. I don't want to ever get to that point because

2:25:48 they think that. Like the people I work with that are local nurses and doctors don't see anything wrong with this. Like all these negative tests and they're putting them on these fence. Hopeful that they'll get it. They're being put under these COVID floor is murder. It straight up is it is setting these people up for failure based on money. Medicaid is who pays out or who's paying this bonus of 29,000? I believe it's Medicaid Medicare. It's government money.

2:26:33 Let me alley oop this for you. Okay. So the one thing that was interesting that both these, and one of them is a resident at this hospital, and I verify that. And another is a, I think she's a nurse practitioner, which is very, it's much higher than a registered nurse. Both of them were hurt by this allegation. And it was very telling to me. They were hurt by the allegation that the professional, the medical professionals were not seeing these people as individuals anymore. And they felt that that was actually something that hurt the feelings of the families, etc. So while they had technical differences of opinion, this hurt them personally to hear this.

2:27:19 And I have not pushed back and I don't know these people personally. But I think this does happen. I've seen it. I've been around military and you get a you start to dehumanize dehumanize people because there's no other way of you humanly dealing with the grief that you're seeing unfolding before you. Does that make is that is that the alley oop for you or am I off base? That's exactly where I was going. And I'm not talking about the individuals that she discussed. She even says she's fearful that she would become like that.

2:27:57 Yeah, she would become like that. Yeah, now, what I want to do is paint the parallel with the medical uh industry with policing before before before you even do that. Before you even do that, I have two very good friends that I consider good friends, uh, both EMTs. And um, and I often will say, Hey, um, let me ask you about that, like George Floyd. I say, What are you seeing? What just from the video evidence? What is your experience? Because these are the very same people who go into these situations and who themselves are threatened, threatened by people around them while they're trying to help somebody. They get threatened. Sometimes they help somebody, the person comes out of it, and they want to kill them for getting them.

2:28:42 And it's a crazy occupation. And I'll just give you one example. It's very telling. Even though this guy, one of my favorite guys in the world, he's in Denver. And when I asked him about George Floyd, the way he described it is the assumed to be deceased person. That's how he described in his reply the situation with George Floyd. And he wasn't doing it to be funny. He's doing it because that's how he deals with what he sees every single day. And so it happens when you deal with a lot of negativity in any role. It's death, destruction, family drama. You have no idea the horrible things these people see.

2:29:28 But it even happens in regular industry. I mean, where you just a part is $20,000 and you just break it. And it's like, oh, well, I mean, you don't even think that you're not. You don't even think about the $20,000 part that you just said. Right. It's just like, oh, yes. Oh, well. Right. So, what we're seeing here, I wanted to parallel the show is all of this federal money came in after 94. Yeah, the 94 crime bill. And it was like, you're dealing with little yummies, right? You're dealing with these super predators. You know, they have no empathy. You don't care how they got there. Got to get in armor.

2:30:09 This is Miss Clinton's words. We don't care how they got there. We just need to make them heal, right? But that was her words. Yeah, that's her words. So if you police go into the streets and then they see these kids and they dehumanize them, really they don't relate with them because they're not from the community. They don't understand. They come from a totally different background. Question. And we, I, I, I, yeah, go ahead. Do the black cops also not come from the from the same background? No. I mean, because like you said, if you like Supot said, when you get money, you move out. If you, if you have a father, a father wouldn't have his kids in that kind of environment.

2:30:50 It would be say for me, for instance, it would be crazy for me to move to West Baltimore. Even though I would love to be around my people, right? And bring change and try to, you know what I'm saying, bring education. It's like the risk versus reward. We all are humans and make these calculations. So a lot of these nurses and as the parallel making cops say, well, you know what? I'm not even going to make waves. I mean, because he'll be dead by 25 anyway. I mean, so Aene is back. What I mean, something's going to get him. You know, if we're not going to kill him, you know, somebody's going to kill him.

2:31:33 I mean, these are this when you deal with this kind of thing and it's like, and then you're being funded and your livelihood is based on it. And then everybody's like, nobody's scared to say anything because the hardest thing is to get one person to speak up. When one person speaks up, then it breaks the breaks the ice, right? And then everybody kind of chimes in. But for that one person. So what I wanted to say here is the same thing happened here. She said they're set up to fail. What do they do? They put healthy people in with contaminated people. They do the same thing in jail. You take a first-time offender, put it in like hardened criminals, and you expect them to survive. How do you survive?

2:32:14 You're saying to make it out of the jungle, you're saying you have to become, you know, you got to become an animal. Right. And then you bring them back to the streets. Yeah, you bring them back to the streets. And it's like, corporate, you know, right. So I'm just wanting to draw that. It's not, and that's why I'm saying it's. it's a systemic problem. It's the same thing in the business world. It's like, hey, well, I mean, we're helping so many people with our medicines. So what we kill a thousand with our new prescription. You know, we say, as long as we can keep them on the good stuff and keep them going on the subscriptions, prescriptions. Yeah. So I just want, um, I just wanted to lay that out because when I heard her talking, I was like, wow, this is the same mentality that cops have, or not all, like I said, a lot of cops is like, well, it's protocol.

2:33:00 I mean, you could always hide behind protocol, right? It's like training and protocol. Yeah. Well, they taught us how to choke people. So, I mean, they must want us to do it. This is how I, this is how I do my job. Now, I'm not saying they're not bad actors either because as these clips progress to the end of the show, of course, we're going to, we're going to, uh, we're going to investigate these people that intentionally do these things. I think there are people in certain levels of the medical field and policing and education and business that are set up to do the setup to fail.

2:33:43 I mean, they create the system that is set up to fail. So, I'm not taking them off the hook either. So, I guess let's move into the next clip: higher-ups. It's government money, but I don't know exactly where it's coming from, but I know that it is. But I know the orders are coming from the above, someone above. And everybody says that it's someone higher up. I'm like, good, call them. Like, they're in that DNR when they're telling us, or the full code, when they're telling us not to, you know, do CPR. I'm like, all right, call your higher-ups then. Let's talk about it. And they wouldn't because they're all scared.

2:34:24 Everybody's scared. And everybody's scared to stick up for themselves. And I've called a lot of doctors. It's unethical to their face. And they deserve it. Yep. No, it's exactly. But this is everywhere. It's in the company that you just described where someone breaks a $20,000 part. So, well, the higher-ups and somebody up there, they we had at MTV, we had they. And so all of a sudden, it's always a they. It was a they. It's like, and I would always, it was a joke around the studio. I said, who's they? Shut up, Curry. Tibo, why do we have to say Michael Jackson, king of pop? They said so. Okay. And that's how it goes. And then at the time, I had no ground to stand on.

2:35:08 I'll do it. Okay. Whatever you tell me to do, fine. Especially. Go ahead. Let me catch you off. But especially when you're in a field such as nursing or policing, you have a mortgage, you got kids, you got braces, you know, all these things. Like, just go with the flow. I mean, like a lot of a lot of people want to question this COVID thing. A lot of people want to question the things that go on they see in the news, but it's like, you know what? At the end of the day, I got to take care of me and mine, right? That's that's the mentality, the me and mine's mentality.

2:35:48 Even myself, I mean, I try to keep a low profile because I had to take care of me and mine, right? I mean, I'm not what we're seeing right now with the virtue signaling, the donating money is all ultimately to take care of me and mine. Hey, as long as my brand says we support Black Lives Matter, Inc. As long as as long as we say we support Black Lives Matter, as long as I am holding the sign, as long as I am marching, then I'm good. Otherwise, silence is violence. Silence is complicity. I don't want that. That's what people say. Of course, I don't virtue signal, and neither do you. But we have different things to lose,

2:36:33 like dignity. But this is why people are doing it. I mean, some of it, yeah, we've talked about white guilt, et cetera, et cetera. But it's certainly for brands and corporations, easy way out. Easy. It's called self-preservation. I mean, at the end of the day, you have to, you know, have to survive. Do what's best for you and your family. And a lot of times, like I said, I think that the nurses look the other way. They know in their gut. Police look the other way. They know the bad actors. But it's like, you know what? That's not what they say. The juice is not worth the squeeze. You know, that kind of thing. It's like,

2:37:19 that's not the hill I want to die on. Well, just for another show, we should certainly look at. the way policing and prisons are portrayed in the media and in shows and in drama and entertainment. It does not reflect the reality of, yeah, if you're policing the first wave, okay, that's one thing. You're policing the third wave, it's a whole different level. And let me ask you, and I don't want to go down that rabbit hole, but does it influence

2:38:01 how people police? Like a police officer sits back, watch Law and Order, and he's like, okay, that's how I need to do it. I mean, because we're no, we are here packed. Here's what that has done. What has happened is Dvorak would bring this up regularly. The way policing and investigation is portrayed on television, people actually believe you can do, hey, hey, hey, stop. I see a reflection in the bumper. Zoom in, rotate, enhance. Ah, it's that guy. I got it. People, you know, like I used to, the old, remember the old FBI TV series? It would always go like this: stop, FBI, bad guy. Pew, pew, pew, shoots. FB guy, one shot, guys down, done.

2:38:46 It was always the same. So it influences the public as to how they perceive it and what they think is really going on. And I don't think the public actually understands what every police call can be like in certain areas. I don't think they understand and how easy it is to dehumanize that situation. I've seen the same with military. And I guess the question I'm making is the way they're portrayed in the media, does that put them on a pedestal that they're above being questioned? I mean, say instance, say like Bill Gates, for instance. Bill Gates, he writes, he wrote code or whatever he did. He didn't even know what he was doing. I mean, but now, I'm just saying, let me just give him, yeah, right.

2:39:28 But now he's like, if he's that smart, of course he can solve the vaccine problem. It's like, no, he can't. But I'm just saying, like, these things start to shape people's minds. Yes. But a movie before we get into this next set of clips, I want to point to is Training Day because I think inside the police department, at some level, there's a just clean, get just keep the streets clean, no matter how you got to do it. I think it's a small differs period. It differs per location, but yes, of course. I'm talking about the inner city. When we're talking about the major cities with, you know,

2:40:14 New York, LA, Chicago, you know, D.C., these main cities that have very violent crime, right? And we're not talking about Mayberry here, you know, but so you got to say, you know, we got to fight fire with fire. I mean, it's the mentality they have. We got to fight fire with fire. You know, you're the tip of the spear. You know, these are things like, you know, and that's why I said Training Day, the gods, if people ever seen that, those are like the city council and chief of police, you know, those kind of people like, hey, you know, just get the job done. Clean streets, you know, that kind of thing. So I think that actually exists, not in the fictualized way, but I think there is, well, I have proof of it in this next clip.

2:40:59 Members of Masonic Police Force arrested. Three suspects in California are accused of running a fake police department and put under arrest. One of the suspects even works for California Attorney General, Kamar Harris. I'm 48 Hours Crime Ciders, Michelle Sagona. The ruse began in January when the San Diego Sheriff's Office says various police chiefs in Southern California began to receive letters from the Masonic fraternal police department. The letter said specifically that David Henry was now the chief and he was requesting a meeting with each agency. According to a press release, Captain Roosevelt Johnson of the Santa Clarita Valley Sheriff's Office actually accepted a meeting with Henry, Tonet Hayes, and Brandon Keele.

2:41:39 They showed up dressed in uniforms and said they were setting up shop in the area. All three were arrested and now charged with impersonating a peace officer. The group claims to have jurisdiction in 33 states and in Mexico. Now, I remember the story because it was tied to Kamala Harris. It came and went real quick. It was here and gone. And I remember there were cops looking at these guys like, who are these guys? They thought they were cops. They even let them into the police station, were giving them a tour, thinking they were real. It was nuts. Or were they real? That's what I'm saying. When I started to question this, like, Kamala Harris. does she have

2:42:22 her own little police course going on? Right. Maybe. Right. Maybe. Like, do it, do it off the books. You know, we always see these special task force. I think about that so often. I'm like, who are these guys? What is their uniform? What part are they? You know, at a certain point, you just see military outfits you don't know anymore. Yeah. And not to muddy the water. I'm just going to make this one statement. You don't even have to reply if you don't want to. We saw the ambulance that came picked up George Floyd. Yes. Two cops hopped out of the ambulance. Two armed cops. Okay. Stop. Stop. I wanted to go there with you, but I'm just saying.

2:43:06 We're going to cover it in the showing you. Who the hell were they? I. Well, the reason why is because I asked this question specifically because I saw that happen too. And this may not be the case you're looking for. They actually were wearing the exact uniforms that that particular county's ambulance service services. Okay. But I mean, I'm just that question popped in my head when you see this kind of stuff. But they weren't actually armed. They had like

2:43:44 my buddy referred to it as EMT nerd gadget stuff, like, you know, holders for this and a little belt clip for that. He didn't think they were actually armed in that. Could be wrong. Okay. But these are the questions that we asked. We see these guys get arrested, and it was one involved with Tupac. This is where it comes full circle. Oh. These government, he was an agent. His name was Haitian Jack. And he was allowed, you know, I mean, like, kind of like he pops up. He does these crimes. He gets in affiliated, you know what I'm saying, with the criminals, but he's like a quasi-police officer.

2:44:28 And like these FBI agents, the guy that I spoke to, Darth Hard, Perry. He was burning down buildings. I mean, I'm going to cover him in another case, but I'll keep these cops around police officers. Yeah, go ahead. You don't even need quasi-police officers. We'll just take the FBI as an example. I call it the six weeks. We call it the six-week cycle. What they do, and this is really important because this makes so much sense when you're saying, when you, when you bring this in, go look at the actual arrest, the affidavits from the special FBI agents when they arrest yet another very low IQ individual who they've been

2:45:09 rat, the whole transcript tells you the reports. Well, we saw this guy's Facebook post and we thought he could be radical. Now, instead of going to this guy and saying, hey, man, what are you posting? You need to talk to somebody what's happening with you. Let me just have a chat with you. No, no, what the cops do now, and the FBI, I'll just call them cops, some of these FBI agents, is they start to stoke him up. Like, hey, yeah, wouldn't you like to blow something up? Yeah, I'd like to blow something up. Well, we could get you some guns or some ammo. And then they, long story short, they load up a truck with sandbags, give the guy a burner phone, and say, you type this number, it'll blow up. He types it, they arrest him, save the day, the FBI did. And that is completely,

2:45:54 I completely believe this is being done in this instance with either the provocateurs or the third wave, whoever we need. Definitely that is taking place. And there was another movie, like I said, I don't want to digress into movies too much. There was another movie with, I think, Matt Damon and what's the real, the most famous guy in Hollywood? Brad Pitt. It was in Boston. No, it was in Boston. He's like a real ladies man. What is his name? Ben Affleck? No, not Ben Athletic. Anyway, it was talking about Whitey Bulger. It was that story. And basically, they're like, we got to take him now. You're the only person that can know about this case. You know, that kind of thing.

2:46:39 It's like Leonardo DiCaprio. I can't remember the name of the movie. I'll look it up. Keep going. Yeah, but anyway, I think there are real quasi police that kick off certain things. I truly believe that in my heart. I can't prove it. I have proof here, I mean, of this group being arrested, and they try to make him a crackpot group. But these guys had official police equipment. They had police issued. unholy alliance. I think it wasn't that one. It was. No, no, no, no.

2:47:22 I digress. Like I said, yeah, it doesn't matter. I'm just saying. I think there is if groups can be infiltrated, police departments can be infiltrated too. I'm just saying that. That's the point I'm trying to make. And then they muddy up things. So let's just get to the second clip of the Masonic police. They allegedly believe they're descendants of the Knights Templar and that their group was founded 3,000 years ago. But medieval scholars say their claims are incorrect and that the Knights Templar was founded during the 12th century crusades in Jerusalem. Their mission was to protect pilgrims visiting the Holy City and they answered to the Pope. Some historians speculate that they were tasked with finding precious religious relics during the wars.

2:48:06 The legend of the Knights has been featured in popular Hollywood films like the Da Vinci Code, the Knights Templar. But the Templars were created to protect the Holy Land. That was a cover. A national treasure. As for the suspects, police say after serving a search warrant, they uncovered an array of badges, weapons, uniforms, and even police-type cars and equipment at two different residences. A next-door neighbor who referred to David Henry and Turnet Hayes as a couple spoke out to KCBS. I always see them with their uniforms. So I thought they were part of any chief department. I didn't know it was something fake or on the website. The group describes how they are different from police departments.

2:48:47 The site says, quote, we are born into this organization. Our bloodlines go deeper than an application. This is more than a job. It's an obligation. Investigators have not determined a purpose or a motive for the organization. Authorities also believe others may be involved and they're accepting your tips to lead them to other suspects. Yeah. And nobody asked Kamala about this. Ixnay. Yeah, I'm glad you brought this angle in. That's so smart. That's so smart. I mean, anything, Freemasonry, Masonic Order is always interesting, of course,

2:49:31 for so many different reasons. I know Freemasons, obviously, I don't think every Freemason is part of conspiracy. And I'm not saying that either because you have to have, I told you, in every criminal organization, you have to have the good guy. You got to have the guy that can actually cash and check and do the paperwork. You know, you need the clean guy. And I think that's what most parts of the Brotherhood are. I think it's only a small portion that actually pulled the strings and make stuff happen. You know, like, oh, we need a body over here, you know, to kick things off. We need a body. And when you start tracing the numbers and the dates and the

2:50:17 symbolism, there's a lot there. There's a lot there. Oh, yeah. But then you ask why. In this case, what is their goal? What would it be their goal with the George Floyd and other these things seem to happen? Like, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. Why? What are they trying to do, Adam? What do they write in the streets in D.C. on the Yellow Brick Road? What did they say? What did they write on the Yellow Brick Road? The unofficial message. The official message was Black Lives Matter. What was the unofficial message that was written there in the same color and paint unofficially? Shit, Moe. I've seen defund police. Well, yeah, I've seen three.

2:50:59 Yes. That is now what is there. Defund police in the same exact letters. And I believe that's now also in Austin. I think they also have a lot of money. And I don't think the goal, the goal is not, it's not going to be an absent or a void of police. There is going to be the corporatization of police. Yes. Re-incorporation may be a better way to look at it. Well, we can say that because we talk about the Pinkertons, and I didn't want the show to be five hours. We've seen this before. Yes, we've seen this before with the Pinkertons and how they were big.

2:51:40 They were bigger than the U.S. military at one time. And they were ran by who? The Robber Barons. So why would they do it again? A little foreshadowing. RoboCop. Yes, groovy. It's a groovy. Woohoo! The film is essentially set in the new future with a dystopic city of Detroit that was on the verge of financial ruin. In order for the city to deal with this and the very high crime rate, the mayor had signed a deal with a mega corporation called Omni Consumer Products. giving them control over an underfunded police department. In exchange for the reduction in crime, OCP was to be given permission to gentrify many parts of the city and turn it into a high-end utopia called Delta City.

2:52:22 One of the ways that the company was hoping to achieve this was with the integration of a law enforcement drone called the ED209, which was being developed by Dick Jones, the president of OCP. Unfortunately for the company, during one of the demonstrations, the droid malfunctioned and gruesomely killed one of the executives. Seeing this as an opportunity, one of the ambitious junior executives called Bob Morton introduced his own experimental cyborg design, which he called RoboCop. And much to Jones's anger, the owner of OCP approved this new concept in light of their recent failure. Because the private company had ownership of the police force, OCP intentionally began reassigning officers into the most dangerous parts of town, hoping that one of them would be seriously injured, enabling the company to use them as a test subject for the RoboCop initiative.

2:53:09 Fuck. Okay. What have you? I'm sure you've already found it. Where's the lead? Where are we going? All right. Where has it happened? Where's the RoboCop Corporation? One thing, there's not a corporation yet, but right after Freddie Gray died, they started using drones in Baltimore. That's right. It's well documented. That's right. What company is that? Who's supplying those drones? Chinese company. I'm just saying. And then we follow that up by people are hiring private police squads in Detroit. For well over a decade, Detroit has been struggling with retaining their cops.

2:53:50 In response, an avalanche of private security companies have rushed in. The reason why you're dressed like this is to be very, very psychologically impressive. So when they see how you're dressed, they think you're serious because you are serious. After the city filed for bankruptcy in 2013, budget and pay cuts have pushed cops towards better paying police work outside of the city. Clear! Police! All right, that was excellent. What you're seeing is the beginning of an entire new industry, which is threat management services. We are literally leading the way in a paradigm shift in safe public and corporate protection.

2:54:30 What do you call it? What kind of services? Threat management services. Keep that. Write that down. Threat management services. This is gold. Let me just lay it up. Where did this come from? Tell me where this is from. Where this is from. What is this? This is from Vice on HBO. Vice. Uh-huh. So, what we had was an underfunded or defunded police department. The cops are leaving. The good cops are going out to other townships and cities. So they said, we need to hire our own private police. Sounds a lot like RoboCop. I'm just saying, but in the same city. I like it because,

2:55:13 of course, they'll dehumanize these officers because they are not, you know, they're machines. They're hired machines. It's not a police force. Now we're hiring a company and we set strict rules and they're going to treat them like drones, like they're RoboDrones, RoboCops. Right. This is until the actual surveillance comes in. I mean, because then now it's, you know, you go to a kiosk in the corner. Hey, I need to report something, blah, blah, blah. You know what I'm saying? You always bring up this point with Uber. You say, Uber loses money every year, right? You hop on this. And we never got to discuss this, but Uber loses money in the front end. They'll make it all back in the back end when they get rid of the drivers.

2:55:55 Bro. Yeah, it's a long game. It's a long game. It's the long game. It's like, okay, we'll put the drivers in there. People feel safe. And then it's like, okay, well, annoying drivers. Oh, geez. So it'll be the same thing with the police. It'll be just like, you know, some kind of drone card or drone. You know, I know it sounds far-fetched, but this is the same exact city from Robocop in 87. Now they're doing the same private police due to the underfunded or defunded police department in Detroit. Now, come on now. Come on. Come on. If you're going to do a come on now, I'm going to go. Come on, man. Come on, man.

2:56:40 Come on now. Come on, man. It's the same thing. I see. I was like, I saw it. I'm like, do y'all not see this? Yeah. They're not going to go without cops. And guess what's going to happen? I'm going to hire the guys who are the good guys, the company that provides the right kind of policing. Did we not see this with Blackwater slash Z? Sure did. Sure did. And then what we report: well, military. military action is down. You know, we're deploring less troops than ever. Of course you are. We got private companies doing our dirty work for us. Yeah. Yeah. By the way, it was the Clintons who first started to use that. Hillary Clinton used a lot of Eric Prince's services. Yeah. She was Secretary of State. Private Police 2.

2:57:25 Brown says his 60-person Viper force has more than 5,000 private citizens as clients, along with 100 businesses. Altogether, the company brings in about $2 million a year. This is a community that pays us to protect their community 24 hours a day, seven days a week. No home invasions, no murders, no rapes, and no armed robberies whatsoever have been done here. So police use law enforcement, and what we do is use bodyguarding tactics to prevent predation. Our goal is to create conditions where violence does not occur. We deter violent criminal behavior by projecting strength.

2:58:06 So our vehicles have all white strobe lights. Our vehicles are black and chrome. There's a strong sense that there is a strong organization that's protecting these people. And then we speak to people very respectfully. Give me weapons on you right now. Okay. Fuck with me over here, please. And so we have all these different ways of showing that this is just not a good place to be a predator. And it's all nonviolent. And we're growing. So more and more people, they want us in their communities. It's all non-violent? Yeah. It's magic. That's going to work great. Because the corporations know they're liable.

2:58:48 So it's like, hey, be calm. You know, don't, don't, you know, because you need to continue the business. You know, the paradigm has shifted of now, oh, you just got to deal with police because police is part of the, you know, just part of fabric of society. Now it's like, oh, you can be replaced with a better company. You know, so now, and they probably pulch the good police off just like private school cars. Yeah, of course. The same thing. But then what does that lead with the bad communities, not the bad communities, but the poor communities that can't afford good cops? Well, what's wrong with Raz Samoon? No, Raz is a catalyst.

2:59:30 I know. No, that's the future. You got a kid with a Tesla, and he's going to protect you. No, he's the warlord. The reason why, I'm just saying, I agree with what you're saying. The point I'm making is you're going to have worse cops. Oh, yeah. Of course. More abundance. Worse cops and more and more abundance patrol in the streets, have poor interactions, and then you have more crime, more killings. They're going to have no interactions, Moe. They're going to drive around with their chrome and white vehicles with huge streets. No, no, I'm talking about in the poor parts. That's what I'm saying. The poor people are not going to be afforded private police.

3:00:14 They're going to have to rely on. They're going to get their own version. I think that's going to happen too, Mo. I think that you're going to see the public side of that will also be corporate driven. Yeah, but you get the McDonald's of police. Oh, yeah, that'll work out great. It's like, okay, we're paying this guy $9 an hour. I'm just going to be a cop. I'm just predicting what's happening. Absolutely. No, I'm agreeing with McDonald's with the police force. How that worked out for poor people for nutrition part for the course, really, that just the piece we needed to complete it. It's horrible.

3:00:55 But I think you're spot on, and I'm glad you've taken this. This is exactly where it's headed. I love the Detroit RoboCop. You kidding me? Spot on. So let's just wrap up with the final clip, Private Police 3. I think in areas in Detroit where you have these very affluent communities right in the heart of the ghetto, if you will, more and more people are utilizing services like threat management. They've shown up whenever I've called them. And in fact, their response time is so much greater than the Detroit Police Department that without them, I would not be as comfortable. Private security is booming in Detroit. The largest contractor has reported 25% year-over-year growth since the city's bankruptcy.

3:01:38 I had no idea. And it's fantastic because you hear people make this exact argument saying that, oh, if you defund the police, then all it's going to happen is rich people will get their own private police. And then, of course, what is left over? And I've even heard people saying this, they're talking of a federalized police if we're talking about the people who are not protected by. by Threat Management Inc. Yeah, I think, like I said, I think it'd just be tears quality. You know, you'll have your two-star police, you know, your three-star, four-star, five-star. And you know, of course, the rich people will have the five-star police. Of course. And the poor people will get whatever's left over. And then it will just be more poorly trained people interacting with

3:02:24 the wave three people. And then it'll just keep going. It's a cycle. I mean, this whole thing is set up to be this way. I don't have the proof, like the smoking gun, no pun intended, but it's clear what's going on here. They want to corporatize police, not federalize. I love the corporatize. I'm just saying that we are going to have the great corporate police, and then we'll have the McDonald's of police. I can see that clear as day. I completely agree with you. Why no one else sees this or why it's not being discussed in that manner is I guess it's because you're right, it's being set up, but that's really cynical to have to think that way.

3:03:10 Because of course, it means it's only for money and for one's own. And screw the rest. Everyone's completely disingenuous with this whole thing. You can get rid of police, make a business out of it, which we've seen with private prisons. I mean, so I mean, it's not a far-fetched take people's guns, you know, and then take over back to the ideal places, the inner city, because what did Robot promise to do? You know, you let us take a show of the police. We'll give you a gentrified area. That's right. Utopia. It'll be utopia, I tell you. It's going to be fantastic. It'll look great in the brochure.

3:03:53 Oh, my gosh. I hope I'm wrong. Yeah, well. I pray I'm wrong. Well, I don't think you're wrong in your future casting. I think what we're doing is we're letting people know that's what can happen. And it's an election year, people. Think about it. Think about that guy with the boot on his head. That Vermin Supreme. He's not quite as crazy as the other two. Trump and Biden got a lot to catch up. Thank you. This was really good. This was one of the best Saturday afternoons I've ever had. I really loved it. Thank you so much, Moe. I appreciate it. I'm glad you enjoyed Adam. And as I always say, pay attention to everything and the truth will reveal itself. And we'll be back next week.

3:04:34 Remember, you can find us at MoFacts.com. This has been MoFacts with Adam Curry, episode number 41. Mo, I'll talk to you next week. All right. See you later, Adam. She joy.