38: You Ain't Binary

00:02 Mo Facts with Adam Curry from May 25th, 2020. This is episode number 38 with a brand new, beautifully sounding clean feed. Hello, Mo. How you doing, Adam? I'm doing good, man. I'm so excited about the setup. I can finally hear you in all of your glory. Thank you. I'm glad to be here as well. You're sounding like you're sitting right next to me. I know. All of a sudden, it became so much more intimate this show. I'm glad we're doing it at night. We've got the lights down. You're hanging with Adam and Mo. So a lot of people are very excited.

00:42 Some anticipation for this particular episode as we had some interesting events take place over the past couple of days. And I can only surmise where we may be heading for today's show, but for sure we didn't do it on Saturdays. We were going to try to attempt to keep that pretty regular because you did have to go down the rabbit hole, correct? Well, I had it all planned out. Friday, I was sitting pretty. I was like, okay, I got what I want to talk about. And then maybe about 10 a.m., my phone started to blow up. And the whole world shook from Mr.

01:23 Well, just go ahead and spin the wheel. Okay. All right. Hold on a second. Let me get the wheel. Ladies and gentlemen, it's time to figure out what is our topic going to be. What? Gee, I don't know. The wheel seems kind of rigged for today's show. It is the wheel of topics where it stops. Nobody knows except for Mo. And today's topic is... If you have a problem figuring out whether you're for Mir Trump and you ain't black. Bingo. Boom shakalaka. And I must tell you, this came into my brain very different than it would have six months ago before we started doing this show.

02:03 I realized I had a much better understanding of what had happened, what had just happened there. And thank you because you've really educated me and lots of people. And together we've learned a lot of shit about this. It's really been phenomenal. And when I heard this, I was like, okay. And this is a clear-cut case of when keeping it real goes wrong. You were watching when keeping it real goes wrong. Is that what Joe was trying to do? Is he trying to keep it real? Yeah. Yeah. I think that's, and he got super comfortable.

02:47 And he, I think he was a bit frustrated too, because he's like, I showed up. I gave you 18 minutes. What the hell more you want from me? I mean, that kind of thing. That's how I took it. Yeah. Well, it was like that because his handler had already jumped in. I mean, the interview was basically over. His handler jumped in and said, you know, okay, that's all the time we got. I'm sorry. And then, you know, I don't know if you have all that, but then, you know, Charlamagne was like, hey, man, you can't do this to black media. You got to give us more time, to which Joe actually had some response. And so in a way, Joe was kind of baited without him knowing it into the black-white conversation.

03:26 I see it kind of different, though, because I think he had that. That was a pre, I think that was a pre-loaded line, and he was waiting to get it off. Wow. I mean, he was. You're telling me someone wrote that for him? No, I think in his mind, he was like, I can't wait to get this line off. And when the guy rushed him, he was like, okay, this is my one and only chance to, you know, that's how I read it. I hadn't even considered that because, you know, political consultants are all around this guy telling him what to do. They're not very good because, well, all kinds of things are going wrong. But I hadn't even considered that maybe he had that one. It's like, all right, I'm going to make it real and I'll throw this line out. These are my people. They understand me.

04:11 Very possible. For the people that don't know what we're talking about, I got the show kind of in segments. Okay. And the first segment is kind of how the whole thing happened and the reception of it. So we're going to go on over to Crystal Sagar and see their reaction to Joe Biden's statements. A pretty stunning moment this morning when between Joe Biden and Charlemagne the God in an interview on the Breakfast Club, somebody actually predicted that it would always go bad for him and that a terrible clip would go viral. It certainly did. I have no words to describe this interaction. Let's just watch it.

04:51 You got more questions. I tell you, if you have a problem figuring out whether you're for Mayor Trump and you ain't black. It don't have nothing to do with Trump. It has to do with the fact. fact I want something for my community. I would love to see. Take a look at my record, man. I extended the voting racks 25 years. Wow. Wow. That sucks. So, what he says there is: if you don't know who you're supporting, then you ain't black. Yeah. First of all, love addiction. Love the way that he's talking there. Of course. The disposition as if, you know, that's just how white people should talk to black people. But what really gets me about this is the obviously it's a racist idea, but it's his entire mindset towards the black community, towards the black vote, to the way that he looks at the way that he takes their votes for granted.

05:41 I mean, this is literally, this is literally like a caricature of what the Sanders campaign and the Trump campaign and Republicans have been saying about how Democrats treat black voters for decades now. And he just came out and said it. Yeah, projection much? And I'm glad you brought up the point that you saw it differently than you would have six months ago. Yeah. Because this is a caricature. This is what we've been saying for a very long time. And I did a little juxtaposition between how things were covered.

06:18 And I used several throwback clips. Good. So we're going to jump right into a throwback clip from show four on how Malcolm X felt about white liberals. White liberals who have pulled as our friends. White liberals who have been eager to point out what the white man in the South has been doing to us while they themselves here in the North are doing the same thing. They have been making a great fight over the South only to blind us to what is happening here in the North. And now that the eyes of America's 20 million blacks, you can easily see that this white fox here in the North is even more cruel and vicious than the white wolf in the South.

07:03 The Southern wolves always let you know where you stand. But these Northern foxes pulled as white liberals. They pulled as your friend, pulled as your benefactor, pulled as your employer. They pulled as your landlord. They pulled as the neighborhood merchant. They pulled as your lawyer trying to help you. They infiltrate all your organizations. And in this manner, by joining you, they strangle your militant efforts toward freedom, toward justice, and toward equality. They use integration for infiltration. So it was precisely this clip, this speech, which, of course, we've referred to several times in the whole series, that I was thinking of when this whole thing went down.

07:53 I'm like, oh my God, he actually showed everybody what Malcolm X was talking about. In fact, he was probably 30 when Malcolm X said it. Yeah, and I feel so vindicated because I've been trying to prove this point of how the Democrats, aka the liberals, feel towards black people. It's like, you know, they have to treat us like children and they know best for us. And he just doesn't know. Now, let me just qualify something. When you say Democrats, do you, I don't think you mean everybody who votes Democrat.

08:31 No, no, no. When we talk about Democrat, Republican, left, right, we're talking about the establishment and the political structures that are set up. So I want to make that clear. But with what he said, it's amazing because we've often referred on this show referred to Trump as the wolf king, right? Yes. Annoyingly, when I heard this clip again, I'm like, holy shit. We call Trump the wolf king. And they refer to Republicans as the wolves. And they refer to the Democrats as the Fox. And this is the whole argument in a nutshell. Oh, well, one's more,

09:15 one is worse than the other, right? That's the whole argument. Well, you know, Joe Biden's not as bad as Trump. And it's the thing is like, at least you know what you're getting with Donald Trump. And that's the counter argument. If I'm going to choose between one or the other, at least I know what I'm getting. Before it was like, you know, the Democrat political structure are like Fox's, like, right? They just kind of sneak around and steal your eggs out of your chicken coop. Whereas a wolf, he just comes up and eats you. You know what I mean? Like, so tell you about it, too. He's like, I'm on my way to eat you. Exactly. Exactly.

09:57 So I'm going down the spectrum here. So I'm going to start on what I call the far left, but we know there's a far, far left. But I'm starting with Sagar and Crystal because they're the, I guess you would, as the, I'm sure there's a better word, the anti-establishment, but they're not the establishment Democrats, right? Absolutely. Another anti-establishment Democrat I like to listen to is Jimmy Doerr. Yeah. So I want to hear his take on this. So if you don't vote for Joe Biden, you ain't black. This is the Joe Biden who I recently humiliated a black woman on television as my

10:39 who thought she was going to be my vice president pick. And now I'm vetting a woman to be my vice president who threw a black teenager in jail for life for a murder that there's no evidence he committed. Plus, I wrote the crime bill. Support me or you ain't black. I'm sure the demons will spin this in a positive way. You know, for every reasonable human being vote we'll lose on the coast, we'll pick up five KKK members in Pennsylvania. And you can repeat that in Ohio and Michigan in Wisconsin. Did Corn Pop endorse that answer, by the way? If you don't vote, if you don't vote for me, you ain't black. You know, one of the most prominent black celebrities in America is a Trumper.

11:18 This is Jimmy Dore is good. He's very good. I like Jimmy because he keeps it honest. I mean, he doesn't take the party line and push it. He said a lot in that clip. And I want to lay out just an idea here. Joe Biden is trying to thread a needle. And what I mean by that is he's trying to maintain the black vote while speaking a certain way to court some of the more conservative Democrats to come over here for come over to him that may have voted for Trump in 2016.

12:04 And he does that by saying you ain't. Is that how he does that? Well, the whole 18 minutes when he talked to Charlamagne, we're going to get into some clips from that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, good. The tone he used was authoritative. It's like, yeah, you know, I saw it. There was a lot of, come on, man. A lot of that. It was very, it was very chastising, but then patronizing at the same time. It was a, it's one of the strangest things I've ever seen because it was like, I have to make it seem like I'm pushing back against these black folks. So, you know, so the white folks in the Rust Belt won't think I'm going soft, but at the same time, I'll use, come on, man, and all this job talk, you know what I'm saying?

12:49 Give me some five on the black hand side talk to make them seem like I'm with them. Yeah, it's not quite right on, but it's up there. He tried it, but it just failed. And Jimmy Doerr in his last statement, he said, one of the most influential black people out there are Republican. I don't think that's a true statement, but a Trump, a Trump support, I think is what he said. And I think who he was referring to is Kanye West. I told him, I said, look, my father's a Black Panther. My mother got arrested for the sit-ins at age six.

13:31 They were fighting for us to have the right to our opinion, not the right to vote for whoever the white liberals said black people are supposed to vote for. You get what I'm saying? Then James Corden went in and said, Well, this president, you're Christian and this president, I don't see anything Christian about him. I say, okay, so last year y'all tried to tell me who I was supposed to vote for because I'm black. Now this year, white liberals are trying to tell me who I'm supposed to vote for because I'm Christian. That would be like, I live in Calabasa, so everyone in my car has got to be a convertible, huh? This is all based on y'all vision of what I'm supposed to do.

14:10 And I understand, like a lot of people, it's not a matter of whether you like it or who likes it. We are in a country where we are allowed to like whatever we like. Has Kanye actually weighed in on this? I haven't seen anything from him. No, he hasn't weighed in on this, but I think he's sitting back and smiling like I told you so. If I was him, because we cover this, and this is another throwback clip from show 13, where he's been vindicated, right? I mean, Joe Biden basically says, if you don't vote for him, and he didn't even say vote for him. And that's one of the things. I want to be clear on what he said. Yeah, this is a good point.

14:54 This is a very good point because this was immediately twisted and turned. And actually, the way it was twisted and turned, it lost some of its original meaning, which was worse than the twisty tourney bit. And I'm glad you recognize that because what he said was: if you can't recognize the difference between me and Donald Trump, nothing about voting, but if you're just not smart enough, I mean, that's the connotation of what he's saying. If you're not smart enough to figure out that I'm better for you than Donald Trump, you're not black. Not even about voting, but it has implications on voting. That's why it was kind of

15:34 twisted that way, of course. Twisted that way. But and I think, and I, and I immediately, because I saw it and I pay attention to words, and I immediately thought, huh, look at that. Immediately, they're twisting it. It's not exactly what he said. And what he said was worse, I think, than just the voting part. You're so right because they want to make it binary, and that's going to play later into the fact. Everything is binary, it's one or the other. There's no shade of gray, but we'll get to that later on in the show. So I started grabbing clips of the fallout as soon as it happened, seeing who they're going to throw up here.

16:15 Did you actually send your kids off to boarding school and you called in sick to work and you told your wife you were having an affair? Is that what took place here? Because you did some work, man. This is great. I said, I was sending you clips. I'm like, maybe this. How about this? Try this. Right. It was. I took this as a labor of love because this vindicates not only me, but everybody that's free thinking. You know, this is a term that Kanye West even brought up. You know what I'm saying? Free thinking black man or black woman. This is how we're treated. So I was like, yeah, I have to do this show. It can't wait another week. It has to happen.

16:58 And that's why I told you we can't go Saturday. Right. Because I had to hear the whole news cycle between Friday and Monday to see how this thing played out. Right. Well, on MSNBC, Andrea Mitchell had a segment on Biden is in no position to determine who was black enough or not. That was quite an exchange. Patrick Biden's senior advisor, Simone Sanders, tweeted that his comments were in jest, but the Trump campaign has seized on it. I wanted to give you a chance to hear your take. You know, I respect Simone, but those are not the kind of comments that one should make, even in jest.

17:38 I have had the privilege of working directly with the vice president. Actually, he swore me in as U.S. ambassador to South Africa. I know that he's a conscious, thoughtful person on these issues. And he should be able to point to an astounding record as vice president, which saw black unemployment reach its lowest levels and black wealth reach its highest levels under the Obama administration. However, Vice President Biden is in no position to determine who is black enough or not. I understand that the interview was testy and there was a little bit of a generational challenge there. But I know that when it comes time to really litigate the campaign, there's a thoughtfulness that Joe Biden will demonstrate that was not demonstrated in that interview.

18:23 Thoughtfulness. A thoughtfulness. Thoughtfulness. A generational wow. And may I point out how interesting it is that two dudes with a couple of mics and a podcast sound a lot better than the multi-million dollar Andrea Mitchell show. Two guys with a microphone and like how many every year's experience you have at being an expert at doing this. I mean, don't Andrea Mitchell's been around a long time too. I'm just saying. That's true. I'm just saying. Have you ever heard of this guy, Patrick Gaspard? No, no, I haven't. Actually, I was going to look. Let me share a little bio with you. As he stated, he was the former U.S.

19:07 ambassador to South Africa during the Obama administration and also president of George Soros's Open Society Foundation. Wow. I mean, even when it comes to a Joe Biden slur, Soros is always lurking around the corner. And this aired on the 22nd. So that's Friday. So he was out there early, early on. Working it. Working it. Working it and making sure people know that Joe Biden will show a thoughtfulness. Yes. Those two words don't even match. no way, shape, or form. But I just felt that weird. But I guess they're letting them know where the money's still behind Joe Biden.

19:52 Well, he's also... He also was the political director for the SEIU, the service union. So, you know, that's big, big donation money. So this is a powerful guy. I think that's why they rolled him out to let people know that the money is still behind Joe Biden. I am in agreement with that. But what he said was a bunch of BS talking about how black people were better off after Obama because we had a throwback clip to refute that from show 23 from Talet Tavis Smiley. This week, while we were traveling in Iowa, we spoke with Mr. Smiley about what's changed over the last decade.

20:36 As Martin Luther King Day approaches on Monday, we started by talking about what areas, if any, are better for Black America now than they were before Barack Obama took office. I'm sad to report that in every single leading economic category, Black America has lost ground over the last decade in every major economic category. We've lost ground. So this book comes out, as you said, in 2006. So clearly, this book was out before Obama shows up to win in 2008. So the book was never about Barack Obama then. This 10-year update is not about him now. But it is true that over these last 10 years, most of that on his watch, Black America has lost ground in the major economic indicator categories.

21:18 And then we got rid of Tavis Smiley. I'm still looking for Tavis to this day. That was the death nut. Tavis watch is still active. We laugh about it, but it's kind of sad because I feel that, you know, they took him down for some other, I think, bullcrap charge. And when I say take him down, they basically put him out of business or out of his public broadcast business. Well, by the logic of Joe Biden, he's not black anymore. So he's not. You can't comment. We have to use this. We have to use this as a lens to look through to see when you don't tow the party line, you're no longer black.

21:59 So you're no longer useful. We got plenty of white men to do the talking. We don't need you. You're not special anymore. So I think that's why Tavis disappeared. But you can hear how he clearly pointed out what Patrick was talking about was complete BS. Oh, absolutely. So we went from the anti-establish or non-establishment left to the corporate Democrats over MSNBC. Now we get to go to Fox News and they get to chime in. What has Joe Biden done in the last 20 years? And the answer is crickets.

22:40 Think about the 1994 crime bill that disproportionately targeted African American males. What did President Trump do? He came back with the First Step Act and said, we are going to have fairness in sentencing. We're going to help people who are coming out not return. That is a form of compassion that could be measured by the lives changed, by the families impacted. And so for Joe Biden to say the 1.3 million African Americans who voted for President Trump that they ain't black is arrogant, condescending, and it frankly speaks to the families of the 1.3 million African Americans as well.

23:23 I am just amazed that the last decade, Democrats have had an entitlement mentality that they are entitled to the black vote. And President Trump said, and he said it well, there's nothing to lose by giving the Republican Party a second look. If you don't mind, I just need a little inside baseball. When this went down, what, I mean, who was blowing up your phone? Was it just friends? Was it your family? Was it your mom? Was it your wife? I'm just curious. And what was the main, just what was that moment like? What was incoming? It was mostly people that listened to this show, friends that we can talk about

24:06 not voting or not supporting the Democrats. And no, those were two main people. Family, not really. I didn't have too much family hit me. But what I said was when I heard this, I said, thank the Most High that he kept Joe Biden on that phone for that extra minute to where he could let that off because this changed the you have nothing to lose moment of the 2020 2020 election. This is it. This right here is it. I mean, he'll never live it down. This is going to be going to be played back over and over and over and over again.

24:52 And it's already being played back because Donald Trump has created an ad with it. Mass incarceration has put hundreds of thousands behind bars for minor offenses. Joe Biden wrote those laws. Every major crime bill that's come out of this Congress has had the name Joe Biden on that bill. We do everything but hang people for jaywalking in this bill. Joe Biden's policies destroyed millions of black lives. Joe Biden may not remember, but we do. Did you catch that? That was low. Very little. He may not remember, but we do.

25:34 Man. Well, that. But like you said, Trump, he's not bashful about it. This is exactly what he does. And he's going to beat him over the head with it every step of the way. Yeah. I've gotten over the elder abuse feeling bad for him now. I can't feel bad anymore. This is just, you know, I just look at it as the reality show that it is. That's true. But Tim Scott, he said something in the previous clip before the Trump ad. They're targeting to hit 12% turnout for the Republicans. Holy crap. No,

26:18 that would destroy the Democrat vote. That's the difference. We went from, let's just go back a little bit. 2012, the Democrats had 67%. Then it dropped to 59% in 2016. And that was already on the edge, on the edge of the danger zone. Right. That's losing. If you get under 60, it's pretty much a loss for the Democrats. And with the Republicans trying to bump their turnout up from 8% to 12%, that's half of where you're trying to flip that negative vote into actually positive votes for Donald Trump.

26:55 So they have a strategy here. And this only helped the strategy because a lot of the people that set out and I'm not going to say a lot, but a portion of the people that set out and say, I'm not going to do anything in 2016 may be activated for the Republicans by this statement. It's important, I believe, that we recognize how this is being justified by some white people I've spoken to who are going to vote for Joe Biden. And at this point,

27:38 I think it's for a lot of people, it's the less of two evils for them. And that is for all the programming they've received and their decisions is Joe Biden is the lesser of two evils. And they justify it by saying, yeah, he's really just an old guy, old ways, and he's a dick and a douche, but he's better than Trump. I mean, that's the level of despair to me is when I hear that, that Democrat voters are at. White people. And where they're picking that up is from the black Democratic talking heads are coming out and saying, well, you know what?

28:17 Joe, I've heard, I've read these tweets saying, well, you know, Joe, he just said what black people have been saying. So black people have had this mentality of the ones that are pro-Democrat. I mean, and they sold out to the Democrats of if you don't support the Democrats, you're not black. And that has been a real sentiment this whole time. But when you start using logic and reason, you start comparing the actual records and whether they're both old, they're both white, they both say things that may not land the right way.

28:56 And then you start getting the legislation. Trump doesn't have the negative legislation baggage that Biden does. So that's a losing argument. So then it comes down to feeling. It's like, well, he makes me feel bad. What's really destructive, though, is, as you just said, is when you have black spokespeople on television propagating this, it's Joe. He's an old guy. Don't worry about it. It's all good. That's really destructive because that is given as a license to white people. to say, it's okay. I mean, you can just repeat that. He is what he said.

29:39 It's all good. That's destructive. That's what they get paid for. And this is what we talk about: the biscuits. The butter biscuits. This is what we're talking about. I'm just going to go through some tweets that I screenshotted. D.L. Hughley, you mad Biden said you ain't black. I'm mad Trump refused to hang the portrait of the first black president in the White House. Get the F out of here. This is what he said. And I'm moving on to a couple more tweets. Simone Sanders, vice president, spent his career fighting alongside

30:19 alongside and for African-American community. He won the party's nomination by earning the vote of every vote and meeting people that have they are exactly what he intended to do this November, right? I mean, it's just Jay Johnson had one of the best ones. Just a thought. How about we listen to the entire Joe Biden interview with Charlemagne Negal before we start roasting him? Well, a white man telling a black that's a good idea, Joe Johnson, J-E-H, Joh Johnson. I'd love to. No, this is Jason Johnson. Oh, I'm sorry. This is the one that was saying that Adas was bot.

30:58 It's even better. This is. Knucklehead. Yeah, he said a white man telling a black man who is or isn't black is inexcusable. But then he goes on to excuse it by saying, but what led to that change and why Biden was triggered matters as well. So this is this is what we're getting. Man, this is what we're getting from the talking heads. And I have more clips on that, but I just wanted to read those couple of tweets. But let's take Jason Johnson's advice and we're going to get into maybe a couple clips from the actual interview. And this is Biden talking about the crime bill. You know, when you take a look at my record, people talk about the crime bill.

31:42 Crime bill didn't increase mass incarceration. Other things increased mass incarceration. And the reason why, if you go back and look. I'm sorry. Okay, I'm going to do Joe's thinking. I'm going to do it with Joe's thought bubble. You know, when you take a look at my record, people talk about the crime bill. Crime bill didn't increase mass incarceration. Black people increased mass incarceration. Other things increased mass incarceration. And the reason why, if you go back and look, and I know you talk about it, you go back and take a look. That's why you had the vast majority of the black caucus at the time supporting the crime bill. Almost every major city black mayor supported the crime bill because blacks were getting killed overwhelmingly as well.

32:27 Why so much resistance on admitting the crime bill and other legislation you are a part of was damaging to the black community? Because we had Hillary on a few years ago, and Ms. Clinton said that the crime bill, we made a lot of mistakes with that, and she wanted to atone for that by becoming the next president. Like, she was wrong. What happened was it wasn't a crime bill, it was the drug legislation. It was the institution of mandatory minimums, which I oppose. Mandatory minimums. I thought you was a part of that in 84 as well, the Comprehensive Crime Control Act that established mandatory minimum sentences for drug offenses. Whoops. Charlamagne brought receipts.

33:10 He was. But this whole crime bill, I think that's a weak argument compared to the sentencing difference. If you really want to take Joe Biden down, that's the thing you want to go after. Hint, hint, wink, wink for anybody out there that wants to take him down. That's the real crown jewel that you can go after him with. And in a nutshell, what that means is there are different sentences for powder cocaine versus rock cocaine. It's still cocaine, but the elite, powdery, expensive form, less jail time, if any. The rock, cheap form, he gets thrown away.

33:52 I came with details on how that was handled and what the impact was. But what I want to do is now heard the tone that how he was talking. Yes. Now, but I want to juxtapose that to how Joe Biden talks to somebody he actually considers worth his time. And that is APAC. I've been speaking at your conference for a long time, hearing the passionate views of American Jews and friends of Israel, right, left, and center. I've been going to Israel for a long time as well. well, starting with my very first foreign trip as a senator, United States Senator.

34:35 When I went to Israel, I met with Golda Mayer and sat in the same side of the desk as an assistant of hers named Yixak Rabin. I've worked with every Israel leader since that date. And over that time, whether it's here with you in the United States or in Israel, there are a few things that have not changed and will not change. I will always call out anti-Semitism, whether it comes from the left, the right, or the center. I will always stand with and for a secure, democratic, Jewish state of Israel. And I will always tell you what I believe, whether I agree or disagree.

35:14 And I will never boycott you. American Jews will always have a seat at my table because you've always had me at your table and because you know as well as anyone that we're in the battle for the soul of this nation. I'm glad you picked this particular example because I know that this also triggers thinking for many and it goes as follows. Oh, here's the black man and he's not liking this that's happening with the Jews, which is a myth. I don't know. It's probably a topic for a whole different show. That is a coming topic, but the reason why I picked this is listen to how he talks to them.

35:56 Oh, all time. Totally. And it's like, I'll never turn my back. I'll always, you know, and he lays out those tangibles quite clear, you know, what he'll do for them. And he didn't make a distinction between left, center, right? He also didn't say, I'm going to do a study about this. He said, I'm going to do it. And he didn't say, imagine, now imagine if he said, if you don't vote for me, if you can't tell the difference between me and all the Jews, you ain't Jewish. That would have been phenomenal. We should actually do a version of that. We should do a version in, like, you know, I don't know, every single one you can think of.

36:42 He definitely wouldn't do it for the, you're saying, the, the, what is it, the island Pacific, the Asian and Pacific, um, island Pacific Islanders, and none of those. But when he comes to talk to us, he, well, he sounds like a slave master. Let's just be 100 with it. Let's just keep it. Let's just keep it. Let's keep it 100. Do we have an example of a slave master to a company? I don't have an actual slave master, but I have a heir of a slave master. And this is from 1968, The Heritage of Slavery by Fannie Lou Hamer and Lerone Bennett Jr., which he

37:27 was a star of our last show, Abraham Lincoln. This is Master Speaks. On the plantation outside Charleston, where his family has lived for eight generations since 1672, Norwood Hasty was asked if he thinks slavery was immoral. No, no, I don't. Because when a slave came from Africa, he couldn't speak the language. He was totally untrained to do any job at all that would fit in with the civilization. Someone had to take care of him. Someone had to take care of him 24 hours a day.

38:04 And it's pretty hard to do that unless you own the person. So I think slavery just had to be in those early days. What exactly is this? Is this what kind of a documentary? What was this? It's called The Heritage of Slavery, and he's actually an heir. The man speaking being interviewed is actually a heir of a South Carolina plantation. And that's from 1968 this was recorded, you said? Yes, yes. Interesting. So we're think now you have to look at this through the thought of the Democratic Party being a plantation, which has been called that

38:48 by many people. It's called, you know, that's the thing, like when people stop voting Democrats, like, oh, you left the Democratic plantation. Right, right, right. That's the talking point. But I want you to just listen to the logic of this heir or of the inheritance, inheritor of a plantation in actually the slave mindset. I mean, the slave master mindset. So let's get into Master Speaks 2. Is it possible that white people have something to do with the lack of ability for blacks to assimilate into this culture? Absolutely. A white man has certainly been prejudiced

39:32 and to quite an extent unfair. But customs die awful hard. It takes a long time. And everyone knew years ago that the Negro would have to be given equality. But in the South, knowing Negros as we think we do, we realize it would take time. It's been compared to straightening teeth. It takes a slow, steady pressure. You can't do it with a hammer. And white people's attitudes will change in time. I'm a lot more liberal than I was five years ago, and I knew I'll be a lot more liberal five years from now.

40:15 And I think almost everyone else is in that category. Wow. Wow. He's the missing link. There it is. He's the guy. He's the liberal. I'm not a lot more liberal than I was, you know, and I'll be more liberal than I was five years from now. Woo-hoo. But if you listen to what he says, he says like the old habits die hard is basically what he's saying. And that kind of lends to what you were saying about how white Democrats are trying to justify Joe Biden. Old habits die hard. You know, he's an old white guy. Hold on, Slash.

40:52 Seriously, though, seriously, for a second. Joe Biden is, is he 70, let's see, 77, 77. So he's 22 years older than I am. This was recorded when I was four. So he was, seriously, he was 26. He was a man past his formative years. A lot of his ways were set in stone at this time. Just for frame of reference, you know? Yeah. And that's why I'm playing this clip, these clips, to let you know how people can say they're liberal, but their mindset is, well, I'm more liberal than I was.

41:34 I mean, that's a hell of a standard to have. No kidding. But let's get into the final clip. Master Speaks 3. What is tended to make you more liberal? The realization that the Negro is a human being like anyone else. Mr. Hasty, what did you think we were before you began to think of us as human beings? Well, in a way, we thought of you almost as a very superior pet of something or rather someone we had to take care of because we had to do so much of their thinking for them.

42:17 We had to do almost everything for them, except living their own lives. Anything outside, we had to do for them. Jeez. Now all that back in of thinking for you. If you can't do the thinking or you can't think enough to see the difference between me and Donald Trump, you're not black. Ophelia. This is, I'm telling you how this landed. I was like, hey, straight up, no, a slave master talking to these people.

42:58 I found it very disgusting. But I was happy that it was said. One of these weird things is like when somebody finally tells you the truth, you've been wanting to hear it, but then when you finally hear it, it kind of makes you sick. But then you're like, whew. I'm glad they acknowledged. Yeah, it would be like if they, if, if the Trump came out and said, guess what? We never landed on the moon. You're like, yes, I was right. I knew it. But holy crap, really, really? Oh, my God, how disappointing. Except then, different. But yeah, it's a pleasant surprise because it's hopefully going to change, open people's eyes to what's really happening.

43:43 And by the way, what we're seeing today in the internet era of every move you make, certainly if you're a public person or a politician, every strand of hair is overanalyzed, is shot from 15 directions, is meme fied, is put on YouTube, is made into parody. Turns out we can see everybody's flaws, and they get amplified in today's social media. And guess what? Everybody's flawed. That would be the ultimate realization, if we get to it, that everyone's going to say, wait a minute, everybody's majority. messed up. That would be great, but for right now, baby steps.

44:26 That's true, but what this points out more than anything is the hypocrisy of people that participate in cancel culture. They're not willing to cancel somebody if anybody else would have said this. Because they haven't quite realized yet that everybody's flawed. Yes, it's only the people they dislike. Yeah, exactly. We got to get there, but we're not there yet. Even if Joe Biden would have said this in the primaries, he would have been canceled. They were like, oh, we have other options, right? I mean, we can go this way or that way. But now that it's baked in, he's the guy, they're like, well, we got to salvage him. Got to live with it. We got to salvage them. So we're going to get into now.

45:07 That was just the coverage of how it landed, how people received it, that kind of thing. Now I want to get into talking about this crime bill and other crime legislation that Joe Biden has participated in since actually 1976. But this clip is from 1993. We must take back the streets. It doesn't matter whether or not the person that is accosting your son or daughter or my son or daughter, my wife, your husband, my mother, your parents. It doesn't matter whether or not they were deprived as a youth. It doesn't matter or not whether or not they had no background that enabled them to

45:52 become social, become socialize into the fabric of society. It doesn't matter whether or not they're the victims of society. The end result is they're about to knock my mother on the head with a lead pipe, shoot my sister, beat up my wife, take on my sons. So I don't want to ask, what made them do this? They must be taken off the street. Wow. Different times back then. So what people got to understand is Joe Biden has really been talking like this since 1976.

46:30 And I had audio from the Jefferson Jackson dinner in Boys, Idaho in 1976. And some of the quotes from that is, why should we liberals, why should we Democrats apologize for saying a criminal justice system has implicit in its idea that a crime should be met with a punishment? What is wrong with that? I don't know. I don't have any idea. He said, if you commit a crime, you should be accountable for it. And you don't have to be some racist, so-called regnet to say that.

47:06 That's 1976. And then fast forward, this is 1993. Now, I want to ask you, did what he say ring a bell with you or sound familiar to you in any kind of way? It's not fair because I know what's coming next. Well, at the very end, there, it was basically it was the super predators. We got to make them heal. Got to bring them to heal. We got to bring them to heal. Exactly. And for people not familiar with that, let's play it in comparison to what he said in 93.

47:46 The fourth challenge is to take back our streets from crime, gangs, and drugs. And we have actually been making progress on this count as a nation because of what local law enforcement officials are doing, because of what citizens and neighborhood patrols are doing. We're making some progress. Much of it is related to the initiative called community policing because we have finally gotten more police officers on the street. That was one of the goals that the president had when he pushed the crime bill that was passed in 1994. He promised 100,000 police. We're moving in that direction, but we can see it already makes a difference. Because if we have more police interacting with people, having them on the streets, we can prevent crimes.

48:31 We can prevent petty crimes from turning into something worse. But we also have to have an organized effort against gangs, just as in a previous generation, we had an organized effort against the mob. We need to take these people on. They are often connected to big drug cartels. They are not just gangs of kids anymore. They are often the kinds of kids that are called super predators. No conscience, no empathy. We can talk about why they ended up that way, but first we have to bring them to heal. And the president has asked the FBI to launch a very concerted effort against gangs everywhere. Man, said the leader of one of the world's largest crime syndicates.

49:12 So true. And all of these talking points really came out of the Rockefeller laws. Democrats, just give people a little history. Democrats used to be for rehabilitation. And the 1970s, they did this pivot because the Republicans were, you know, outflanking them or being tough on crime. to where it doesn't matter about rehabilitation anymore. And Biden even said that at the dinner at the Jefferson dinner also. He says, we liberals stand up and we say we need to, what we need to do is rehabilitate.

49:52 And yet we go to any university in the United States of America and we find among the academics a recognition of the fact that we do not know how to rehabilitate. That's when the pivot started. And they were like, we're going to out crime or out criminal justice, the Republicans. And this goes to show you they would do anything to win election. It's not about all voters. And guess who they used for it? Surprise, surprise. Yeah. So this came up in the 2020 primary, a Democrat primary.

50:32 And actually, Kamala Harris had called on this. So Atlanta 11 Alive, that's the local news, did some fact checking of Joe Biden. First up, Joe Biden. Since 2007, I, for example, tried to get the crack powder cocaine totally disparity, totally eliminated. This claim is true, but misleading. Biden's talking here about a disparity in the law where crack cocaine users get much higher jail times and legal punishment than people using powdered cocaine. Legally, five grams of crack cocaine was equal to 500 grams of powdered cocaine. Now, in 2007, Biden did call to reduce the penalties on crack cocaine offenders, but that leaves out the fact that he also helped design the higher punishments in the first place.

51:17 Biden championed a 1986 law, the Anti-Drug Abuse Act, that set those mandatory minimums in the first place. So, yeah, he called for its removal, but that was a change of position for him. And it's worth pointing out that one of his sons was unceremoniously ejected from the Navy for cocaine abuse, among other things. Oh, we're getting Hunter. Oh, we're going to get Mr. Hunter. But I want to also point out that he lied, flat out lied to Charlamagne because he said, I wasn't for the mandatory minimums. He didn't remember. That's a lovely

51:54 position to be in. I don't remember it. Well, I found this paper written by Michael Coyle. It was called Race and Class Penalties and the Crack Cocaine Sentencing. And this is from the section Drug Quantities and Crack Cocaine Penalties. Race and Class Penalties and Crack Cocaine Sentencing by Michael Coyle. Drug quantities and crack cocaine penalties. The federal sentencing laws Congress passed in 1986 and 1988 were designed in part with the purpose of hindering the crack cocaine drug trade.

52:31 The intent of Congress was to impose a minimum 10-year prison sentence on a major trafficker, for example, a manufacturer or head of an organization distributing large drug quantities, and a minimum five-year sentence on a serious trafficker, for example, a manager of a substantial drug trade business. As such, the laws were constructed to respond to the quantity of drugs involved in the offense. However, the weight numbers attached to the sentences via the Anti-Drug Abuse Act of 1986 fail to capture the different roles associated with the crack trade. As research from the commission has shown, the five grams of crack set by Congress as the trigger for a five-year mandatory sentence is not a quantity associated with mid-level, much less serious traffickers.

53:18 I was always surprised that it was presented as that being the problem because it came up so many times. And it was years before they finally adjusted. I think it was Obama. I do think it happened under him that that finally got readjusted. But it wasn't, that's a lie. It was obvious what this was about. It was about getting street-level drug offenders locked up. And I have a chart here of the cheap stuff, man. They got to be buying our high-level, man. Not the rock. Get out of here. This is the source of this table or chart is the U.S. Sentencing Commission from 2000 from 2000.

54:00 And it says 66% of the rest were street-level drug dealers. When you get to the importers, it's 0.5%. organized leaders and those kind of people, like the kingpins and those things is like less than 6%. So when you listen to her super Hillary Super Predator clip, it was not designed to take down to take down high-level or her colleagues. Exactly. Exactly. It was designed for very different levels. Exactly.

54:42 Not for the boatloads. And I also would like to thank Dame Jennifer for doing the reading on this paper here. So let's just get into the second part of this drug quantities and crack cocaine penalties. The median crack cocaine street level dealer, comprising two-thirds of federal crack defendants, charged in federal court, was arrested holding 52 grams of the substance, enough to trigger a 10-year mandatory sentence. For powder cocaine, the median street-level dealer is charged with holding 340 grams of drugs, not enough even to trigger the five-year sentence.

55:21 The results of these erroneous calculations have been dual. First, they've resulted in extremely severe prison terms for low-level crack offenders who form two out of every three crack offenders. Second, with mandatory minimum sentences focusing solely on quantities, offenders with different levels of culpability are often lumped together. As the Commission's May 2002 report to Congress stipulates, contrary to the intent of Congress, the five and 10-year minimum penalties most often apply to low-level crack cocaine traffickers rather than to serious or major traffickers. Exactly. Exactly. That's Dame Jennifer, huh? Yes. She could show.

56:05 She could read the phone book and I'd be pretty pleased. Man, she's killing it. She does. She's good. They had another table in this paper showing the cocaine sentences for quantum less than 25 grams. And it shows the average sentence in months. And the source of this table is the United States Department of Justice 2002. The average sentence for powder cocaine, 14 months. The average sentence for crack cocaine, 65 months. And that's under 25 grams? Yes. Under 20, under.

56:44 Under less than 25 grams. Yes. Gosh. So if you had 25 grams on you, you got an average of 65 months. And it's like five and a half months. I mean, five and a half years. Excuse me. And I don't know if you're going to include this, but what cannot be ignored is the commercial prison system that was being assembled at the very same time. And that may be for a different show. We've touched on it many times. That's a whole different can of worms. And if I open that, we would have a 10-hour show. So as you brought up, Obama and Biden tried to redeem themselves by closing the powder cocaine sentencing gap.

57:25 President Obama signed a new law at the White House today that will close the long-disputed gap in federal sentencing for crap versus powder cocaine. Since 1986, defendants caught with 500 grams of powder cocaine have gotten the same punishment, five years in prison, as defendants convicted of possessing only five grams of crack cocaine. That's a sentencing ratio of 100 to 1. The new law reduces that dramatic disparity, cutting the ratio to about 18 to 1. And for the first time in 40 years, Congress is rolling back a mandatory minimum sentence already on the books. The law won rare bipartisan support. What? It was only they reduced it to 18 to 1.

58:10 What? That's your black president. Thank you, Obama. Oh, my goodness. Thanks, Obama. How does that fly? Shut up. Shut up, man. What's your problem? It's happy. Yeah, we're good. Yeah. Thanks, Obama. That's right. 18 to 1. And they want to hang their hat on that. And this was bipartisan. So, I mean, you're not doing anything that the Republicans are not doing. They went out for drinks after the vote, Moe. Telling you. Why is there a gap? Why wasn't the gap actually flipped and say powder cocaine is 100 times to crack?

58:52 It doesn't make any sense. And the CBC signed off on this in 94. They went begging. Did they not have a brain? Did they not have a brain to say, yeah, we're going to charge. crack dealers at 100 times the rate, I mean, or the amount of weight they have, 100 times the rate as a cocaine dealer. Hello? It comes in this cocaine. This cook is crack. It just irks me every time. 18 to 1, and it's still on the books. This is still on the books. Now, was there any reason given for it that it just didn't become a one-to-one? I mean, I have to look at this now.

59:33 This is annoying. I'm sure there's some excuse. I want to know what it is. What's the excuse? Was it random or didn't negotiate? Barack went in and said, come on, man, give me one to one. Like, no, no, no, no. We like the 65. Give me five. And then he wound up at 18. What happened? How would that impact your prison sales? Would that leave your vacancy? Would it leave vacancies? Oh, man. We are going to have to do that show, Mo. We definitely got to do it. But I mean, so Joe Biden felt guilty about. I'm sorry to interrupt. Go ahead. Go ahead.

1:00:14 No, you nail it. That was probably the number. They probably had the spreadsheet and went, okay, look, we can cut in the prison emission system, but here's what we need: the minimum amount. Here's the minimum amount of years we got. What can we do? Well, let me work on the spreadsheet. Well, I can bring it down to about 18. And, you know, and then, well, we won't get our bonuses, but we'll still have a pretty good pipeline into the prisons. That is probably exactly how it, in a nutshell, was determined. And I'm going to take a little detour here on something that I didn't clip, but it was discussed. And this is the decriminalization of marijuana versus the legalization of marijuana.

1:00:57 And I think this argument has the same discussion going on with it because marijuana is the gateway drug, but not in the way you think of it. It's the gateway drug that allows police to harass people because they can say, hey, I spare marijuana. Let me search your car. Where if you make it legal, they can't legally search your car, which a lot of arrests actually are triggered by the sniffing or smelling of yes. Yeah. You know, even if I digress on that one, if a police dog, if a police dog acts as if it has identified drugs in your vehicle by sniffing, that is right there

1:01:43 reasonable suspicion. Probable cause. Yep, because it's a police officer. It's a law enforcement officer. And it doesn't even have to be... They don't actually have to smell it. All they have to say is bark. They just bark. I'm not talking about the cops themselves to say, so was I. What are you talking about? Just kidding. I have lots of friends. What I'm going to say like this is they need to point out the dirty ones because they make everybody else bad. It's a shit. Yeah, it's a crappy trick. It's absolutely tricky. I smell weed. You know what I'm saying? Then there we go. But that's why the decriminalization and legalization, I think that's why that argument.

1:02:24 What a great point. I had not considered that. It happened. I went to college for three months in West Virginia, and I got a knock on my door. Someone wanted to come in, and the guy is like a, I don't know if he was a part-time cop or something, weird dude, whatever his problem was. And he said, I smell marijuana. I need to come and say, well, you go get a warrant. And I said, I can get that. He didn't. But, I mean, it was scary. Like, oh, wait a minute. Because they can totally do that. And one of the high-profile stories going on now hinges on that. But we're not going to talk about that right now. We're going to visit Joe Biden and visit Al Sharpton at the National Action Network, apologizing for his big mistake.

1:03:02 I haven't always been right. I know we haven't always gotten things right, but I've always tried. Rev, it was your help back in 2010 that Barack and I finally reduced the disparity in sentencing, which we've been fighting to eliminate and crack cocaine versus powder cocaine. It was a big mistake when it was made. We thought we were told by the experts that crack, you never go back. It was somehow fundamentally not different. But it's trapped an entire generation. Oh, man. Science. That's science. What a liar, though. What a liar. I didn't know it was 1 to 18. He didn't add that.

1:03:47 And it took two years for him to get that through because that happened in 2010. Now, to be fair, to be fair, neither the president or the vice president make or change the laws. that still had to go through the process. Did he have his pen in his phone? Well, yeah, he did. He did have his pen and his phone. It was going to happen no matter what. He could have made it one. Yeah, I hear you. And he had the legislation makeup. Anything that happened. He had the House and the Senate. You're absolutely right. Right. Yep. So why'd you wait to 2010 to address this and need bipartisan support?

1:04:27 You want the answer? I'm just saying. Do you want the answer? Well, we already. Oh, please. That's all right. We'll get to that another time. Yeah. Well, you brought up Hunter Biden. And since we're talking about crackpipes and crack, we might as well get into Hunter Biden ousted from the Navy. Vice President Joe Biden's son is out of the Navy. Sources tell AP that Hunter Biden was discharged earlier this year after testing positive for cocaine. The 44-year-old spent barely a year as a part-time public affairs officer in the Navy Reserve. In a statement released by his attorney, Biden said he respected the Navy's decision. The youngest Biden son said, I deeply regret and am embarrassed that my actions led to my administrative discharge.

1:05:13 The vice president's office had no comment. The Navy has not given a reason for Biden's discharge, and the terms of his separation from the military are unclear. Members of the military discharged for failing drug tests typically don't receive an honorable discharge. Matt Friedman, Associated Press. Honorable discharge. This is what we talk about when we say white privilege. This is what, and it's not about skin color. What I mean by that is the he gets caught smoking crack, kicked out of the Navy, but gets an honorable discharge. And then we have this page six story where

1:05:55 he begins to date his brother's widow after spending a week buying crack from a homeless encampment in L.A. They found a, let me see, let me read the story here just so we get it straight. It said Hunter took a rental car to Arizona where Hertz workers called the cops after finding a crack pipe and a baggie containing white powdery substance along with the Secret Service business card, Hunter's driver license, and a badge from the Bureau, Bureau's time as Delaware Attorney General aside. But then they couldn't charge him with anything because they didn't have enough evidence that crackpipe was his.

1:06:36 How you like that? Uh-huh. What in a Jerry Springer is going on with the Bidens? Sounds to me like a perfect candidate for a hedge fund, about a billion and a half dollars from China, and maybe a board seat on some company in Ukraine. I think that is, that's the kind of material. That's the kind of quality man he is. It's a man, like I said, audible discharge, not caught with a crackpipe, wasn't arrested because they couldn't prove it was his crackpipe. I wish we had that kind of leniency going on. But Sam Sedder, he's a popular political pundit. He's sometimes a frequent guest. I mean, he is a frequent guest on MSNBC.

1:07:21 He was on Chris Hayes, and he caught an interesting point that wasn't highlighted as much by Joe Biden in the Breakfast Club interview. Take a look at my record, man. I extended the voting racks 25 years. I have a record that is second to none. The NAACP has endorsed me every time I've run. I mean, come on, take a look at the record. You know, what I was also struck was by Charlemagne's follow-up, which is I want something material to bring back to my community. And Joe Biden had no answer for that. I mean, he said, you know, I've authorized the Voting Rights Act.

1:07:58 Well, I mean, let's be honest, every single senator in 2006 or seven, I mean, except for maybe four, and so I'm including the vast majority of Republicans, also reauthorized the Voting Rights Act. That's not a terribly, that should be a baseline, never mind for a Democratic senator, any senator for that matter. And so the fact that he couldn't respond with, well, I'm glad I know you want stuff for your community. And here's some of the ideas that I have to bring you some material benefits. So, I mean, I agree with Zerlina. I think we should have a vice president, a woman of color. But I would also like to see that vice president, woman of color, offer and bring to the ticket some plans and some proactive measures to bring material benefit to people.

1:08:42 And I think that's hugely important. You know, I caught that too when I saw the interview. And what I immediately thought was, what a missed opportunity. I think Joe Biden could have actually. sealed up a lot of the vote by at that moment saying, I hear you, Charlemagne. You want something tangible? I mean, he didn't, he wouldn't even have had to have followed it up at that point. He could have said, I'll come back to that. If he had used that one word, what do you think? But he was indignant. He could have spent it. He could have spin it into a really nice answer. But he was like, I've spent 18 minutes talking to you.

1:09:24 Don't you know what I've done for you? I already have your vote. Right. I already have your vote. You're saying, like, well, I don't know why I even had to come talk to you in the first place. Come on, man. It's a cherry on top of what I already gave you. Yeah, yeah. And then the people are telling you it's a rap. You know what I'm saying? I'm telling you, my wife, Jill, got to use the phone, man. Come on, man. And then he just flies off the handle. My wife's got to use the phone. He did what's kind of like that. She needs to be on. She's on the view. Yeah, he got pissed. And he's like, I mean, that's when his true colors really came out.

1:10:04 Wow. Okay. So you can also look at the whole interview and his response, which I think is a very valid way of interpreting it as how annoying. And I'm Joe. How annoying is this shit? I already got this vote. Now I have to go and suck up to this guy. Okay. How much do I have to do? 10 minutes? Well, you know, he really wanted an hour. I'll give him 15. And then he goes on for a little longer and it's because that's what it was. And then he goes 18 minutes. And there you go. Yeah. I mean, it's very possible that that's exactly what he was thinking and feeling.

1:10:47 How annoying. And I got my wife. She needs the phone. I'm going to squeeze this in, baby. It's just a black vote. We got that one. Don't worry about it. So we have Tremaine Lee. He's on MSNBC. And I want to, we're going to get into this segment now of up until this point, I used the mainstream media, not that many black talking heads because I wanted to get rational pushback against Joe Biden. Even if you agree with his politics, you know, you can fairly point out to say, well, he was wrong there.

1:11:24 He was wrong here. But the people, the Democrat, the black Democrat establishment, political party, pundits, all those, they are the worst. And I mean the worst. They disgust me. But they do this trick. They'll come out talking strong, like, oh, yeah, you know, Joe Biden. And then as they go on, they do this weird switcheroo to where they start supporting him. And we heard that with the Sorrels guy. He came out strong and then he was like, yeah, we know Joe Biden's thoughtfulness.

1:12:04 You know, it'll show through in the rest of the election. We're going to hear this over and over again, starting with Tremaine Lee, as he speaks on Joe Biden's comments. Joining us now is MSNBC correspondent Tremaine Lee. So now the vice president is being accused of treating the black vote as if it is a monolith, Tremaine. You ain't black. The level of hubris it takes for a white man, an old white man, or any white person to even ingest, say that he can determine who is black and who isn't is clearly outlandish.

1:12:40 But even in jest, these are kind of the kind of comments that could be problematic, but he clearly knows his audience on there with Charlemagne the God, playing it really loose and fast with the Breakfast Club. But this week on Into America, my podcast, we actually talked to black voters about Biden's prospects. And one thing is for sure, it's going to take a lot more than some off-the-cuff, kind of insensitive remark to knock some of that support. If Terra Reed allegations aren't necessarily going to knock his position for black voters, it will take more than this. Wow. Some more butter for that biscuit, please. And you start Joe Biden, you ain't black. You know, he came in strong and it's like, oh, yeah.

1:13:24 And then, oh, well, you know, it's going to take more than that. You know, he's harassed a woman, allegedly assaulted a woman. If that doesn't do it, you know, him saying somebody's not black, definitely not going to move the needle with the black vote. You know, he is a Pulitzer Prize winner, though. And that's disgusting. He was the one who was in 2006. He was named Emerging Journalist of the Year by the National Association of Black Journalists, emerging journalist. Hold on, before we go any further, shepherded in. Yes. For the non-NOAGEnda listeners, can you tell them who supports the National Association of Black Journalists?

1:14:11 You brought that up on the No Agenda show. Yes. Well, that is Van Jones was going to speak at a webinar, I believe, since we're in the coronavirus lockdown for the National Association of Black Journalists. It was canceled. And then after the fact, he kind of disinvited himself because he found out that the whole conference was sponsored by Huawei, the premier Chinese telecoms manufacturer, in particular of 5G equipment, who have been kicked out of the United States, the United Kingdom, and many other countries around the world for their alleged spying tactics in the

1:14:53 networks. But basically, the Chinese Communist Party was sponsoring the National Association of Black Journalists. And we also seen some Chinese faction sponsoring the former members of Black Lives Matter. Well, we've done that homework as well. They also own the NBA while we're at it. Right. But I'm saying all this to say, and it's going to lead me into this next clip. We've heard black journalists and talking heads come out and they were one of the big pushers of, no, you can't call it the Wuhan virus or the Kung Flu.

1:15:33 You know, they were really, but now you understand why, who they're being supported by. Exactly. And including one of those people that did that was Miss Karen Hunter. Well, we have Miss Karen Hunter. She's going to chime in on Joe Biden's gaff or joke or whatever you want to call it. You ain't black. Joe Biden talking about you ain't black. First of all, you're looking for our vote. Here's the power position, sir. You're the person who needs something from us, not the other way around. And don't get it twisted because you will lose. I'm telling you this right now, not because I want you to, because I'm voting for you.

1:16:14 But you will lose if you feel like they're not going to vote for Trump so they don't have a choice. No, we have a choice. The choice showed up in 2016 and we got Donald Trump because 100 million people sat home and they weren't wrong for sitting home because there was nothing on the table for people to show up for. But now look where we are. We're in the midst of a pandemic and we see what that looks like. So yeah, most of us are probably going to vote for you anyway. She does it every time. All right, here's my Karen Hunter impression. What? Joe Biden, you're like, what do you think you are? You're going to lose? You're going to lose, you fool. You lose. I'm guaranteeing you now all of a sudden. But I'm going to vote for you.

1:16:57 I'm going to vote for you. I've gotten into the habit of listening to her on serious. Was it 126, I think? Yeah. In the ads, when I go out and do grocery shopping, I listen to the Karen Hunter show. It's very entertaining. She starts off talking about position of power. As a consumer, your option of not buying the product is your position of power. Thank you. If you don't provide me with the service or the need or, you know, the product or whatever that I want, I can walk. I can go if you know, if Pepsi is not strong enough or sweet enough, I can go to Coke. And if neither one of those fit my fancy, then I'll get a bottle of water. But not her.

1:17:39 Coke, I want you to make it sweeter. But if you don't make it sweeter, I'm still going to buy it anyway. But, you know, the ultimate brand loyalty right there. And this is supposed to be our thought leaders. And I want to say something also. These people are getting killed in the YouTube comments and likes. So much so that the Breakfast Club actually had to stop their thumbs down and thumbs up counting. It froze because I was going back, checking it every day. And if anybody that knows about YouTube, you have more views than likes, dislikes, and then you have more dislikes and likes than comments.

1:18:24 Well, at one point, the comments surpass the likes and dislikes, which never happens on YouTube. It's just the rule of engagement. People are more likely to do a thumbs up, thumbs down than to write a comment. So everybody had to weigh in, I guess, huh? Right. Everybody, so they were, and I saw hardly any. positive comments. Now, of course, there were bots and trolls and things that nature in the comments, I'm sure. But it was two to one, negative to positive. Karen Hunter, she was getting killed in her comments on the first video. So then she had to come back with this next video I'm going to play clips from, explaining to you why we must vote.

1:19:07 A lot of people, you know, I went hard in the paint on Joe Biden, but it really wasn't about Joe Biden. Did I do something wrong? No, I said she went hard. That's her going hard. I'm going to vote for you regardless, but that's her going hard. I got you. A lot of people, you know, I went hard in the paint on Joe Biden, but it really wasn't about Joe Biden. I was talking more about how we should be treated or how we should demand we're treated. I don't care who it is. If you need something from me, you need to come to me as if you need something from me, not as if you're doing me a favor. You're not going to be patronized. You're not going to pat me on the head. And this is instructive. This is beyond Joe Biden or anyone else.

1:19:49 These are rules of engagement, which I talk quite often on these airways. And I don't care who's in the White House. This is, we should have a string of demands. And then we should also determine how you're going to come to us with respect. But you said something powerful because I said I'm voting for Joe Biden no matter what, but I'm not going to just be quiet. Thank you. I'm not just going to be quiet because I'm mature enough to understand that the two things can happen at the same time. I can tell you how you're going to treat me and at the same time tell you that if you want something from me, this is what's going to happen.

1:20:27 And this is how much time you have to get it done. But this is important because 2020, you just said people are like, oh, there's a third option. There's only two choices. There's a third option. Just vote down ballot. And so this is what I always find interesting about Karen Hunter and people who come up with this line of talking is it's always the same. And do the listeners never catch on and say like, hey, wait a minute, you're actually just disempowering us every single time? Like she's sitting there, you got to do this, you got to do that. Well, if you don't, you know, the only thing you can threaten with is your vote. What else is there to threaten with? You're going to say something nasty about Joe on your show?

1:21:09 And she walked back what she said about, well, we're really talking about Joe. I was, no, just saying in general, this is that broken mindset that came from the civil rights movement. And I know a lot of people are probably going to kill me for this, but I don't give a rat's ass at this point. You could spit on me, but I'm going to buy your coffee and pie. Yeah. What? Is your ice really that much colder? Is your coffee really that much hotter? Are your pie really that much sweeter that I'm going to endure abuse to give you my hard-earned money?

1:21:48 Or I'm going to take your abuse to give you my hard-earned vote. And she played a trick at the very end because they hear our talking points. They hear us. And I want you to play maybe the last maybe 15 seconds in one minute. She does this thing about the third option. Listen what she lays out at the third option. When we say third option, we mean not voting, but listen what she said the third option is. Treat me and at the same time tell you that if you want something from me, this is what's going to happen. And this is how much time you have to get it done. But this is important because 2020, you just said people are like, oh, there's a third option.

1:22:30 There's only two choices. There's a third option. Just vote down ballot. Yeah. No, the third option is not to vote, not vote down ballot. That's very different than the third option I've heard of. That's the sleight of hand trick. So now she's saying, now she's using ADOS, the political party, political group's talking point of down ballot, which we pointed out on this show. Nobody votes down ballot. Everybody goes in or most, the majority of people go in to do straight ticket. It's red team, blue team. And nobody's sitting there checking out all the judges and dog catcher and whatever else is on the ballot.

1:23:10 No, that's not how voting works in America. It should be. Maybe we want to get rid of a straight ticket and make people actually vote, but no. But this is what they do. They hear our talking points. And we're going to hear examples of this later of them taking the talking points of free thinking individuals that won't participate if we don't get anything tangible. And then they take our talking points and pervert them like she just did there. Yeah. Well, to give you some perspective. Mr. Carr, Dr. Carr, I want to be disrespectful. He's a history professor at University of Howard. A pretty got bright guy, but me and him had words before. Yes, yes, we know him well.

1:23:54 This is the topic what made me call in when we had worries at the radio at the radio station. His pick for who the greatest president is, that's what would trigger me to call in. But he's going to lay out his logic for the greatest president of all time here in this next clip. Now, people talk about who was the greatest American president. I don't get in those debates because as a black person, we have very few options. You know, very few options, right? And so, but, however, if we look at the 20th century, you know, arguably, President Delano Roosevelt, even though the racial implications of the New Deal, I'm thinking now of books like Fear Itself,

1:24:32 books that talk about how the GI Bill was used to exclude black people from being able to get mortgages in these white settlements, swipe developments like Levitt Town. I mean, there was a racial dimension to the New Deal. But what we can't deny is that through those policies of the New Deal, you do see the floor put under what becomes the middle class in this country. So you could argue that Roosevelt could be the person. The guy who wrote Fear Itself also wrote a book called When Affirmative Action Was White. And he talks about the fact that these New Deal policies basically were affirmative action for poor whites. It elevated them out of the poor into the middle class.

1:25:13 Wait, huh? That was MoFax with Adam Curry episodes two through eight, I believe. You pulled that apart. Yeah. Hold on. FDR could be the greatest president of all time, but be a racist. There you go. That's his logic. Yeah, go Joe, then, I guess. So they go to show you it's not about being a racist. It's about red or blue. Those are the colors that matter, not black and white. It's red and blue. Because if somebody uses that same exact logic for Donald Trump, saying, well, you know, Donald Trump has been good, you know, for the economy and whatever else.

1:25:49 Even say you take it at face value that he's a racist, right? If they use the argument, well, he is a racist, but you know, my former K is looking good and he brought jobs back to America. And no, he ain't, you know, these are talking points that you hear. This guy will fly through the roof. Something, well, he's a racist. He makes me feel bad. You know, that kind of. You're channeling George Jefferson, by the way. But he lays out how FDR whole New Deal was racist, but then say he's the race. He's the greatest president ever. That's right. I know. These people are nuts. It's baffling. It's baffling, Mo.

1:26:28 Well, we're at the point of the show now where Charlemagne has to come out and address what has happened on the Breakfast Club. So his first interview was on Friday night on CNN, and he discusses Biden's apology. I mean, so that's what you're saying, but you're saying he still hasn't shown you why you would vote for him specifically. Yeah, I mean, it's just that simple. Like, he has a black agenda called the Lift Every Voice, Lift Every Voice Plan. And I mean, there's some cool things in there, but I still think that it could be much stronger. He's already committed to having a black woman on the Supreme Court.

1:27:08 And I think that, you know, a black woman running mate is necessary, especially after the day, you know. And like the statement he made was interesting, you know, because that's something I hear from other black people. You know, it's very interesting to see that an old white man also looks at black people in that way. Like that question, what makes somebody black, that's a discussion for black people to have, you know. And a white man is certainly not qualified to have that discussion. But people do connect blackness to support and protection of black culture. So I guess when we see a black person voting for Trump and you know Trump is a threat to marginalized people in this country, it does make you question how much that person cares about his people. So I understand the statement is just a shock coming from an old white man like Joe Biden. It was a real Bullworth moment if you've ever seen that movie.

1:27:51 Wow. Yes. Wow. Understand the statement that goes that lends to what you were talking about of white Democrats. Yes, that's exactly exactly it. But they'll even dance around it more than this. This was very direct. Gee. Not holding Joe Biden accountable or responsible for his words. He's like, yeah, I understand where he's coming from because you know those people that voted for Donald Trump, you know, they really ain't black. That's basically what he's saying. I mean, this has got to, this is. What is the response towards Charlemagne? Are people responding to this? Are they saying, hey, yo, this is, you're off base here?

1:28:34 Well, he was getting lit up on Twitter Friday night and Saturday morning. So then he had to go see. Oh, yeah. I got the emergency call. Adam, you got a DVR. DVR, Joy Reed. I'm like, I don't know, man. My DVR rejects her somehow, but I'll try. This is why I had to push the show back to after Sunday because I knew what the play was going to be. Get Charlamagne on Morning Joe. I mean, not Morning Joe, excuse me, Joy Reed, A.M. Joy, because that's the Black Sunday morning news show. Right. And I knew he was going to do his round there. So I was like, you know, and then you do a show on Sunday.

1:29:19 So I was like, it has going to have to be after Sunday because I knew he was going to have to make this stop. Right. But seeming that he came so weak on the CNN and was kind of like justifying Joe's statement. He kind of had that. They can't play. He can't play that on MSNBC with Joy Reed. Right. It was like a test run. It was like, let's try this on CNN Friday night. Nobody's really watching and we'll see how it goes over. And then we'll refine our talking points for the big show on Sunday morning. So sad to think Joy Reed is the big show, but yeah. Okay. But it is this.

1:30:00 Well, what's the morning show that comes on every Sunday morning for has Chuck Todd? Yeah, it's Meet the Press. Right. She's basically like the black Meet the Press. That's basically what it's been. Okay. No, I'm serious. I mean, that's kind of like what it's like. I just find her so unimpressive. That's the reason why I like to. Okay. So it's Chuck Todd. So it's on brand. Point taken. So let's hear Charlamagne's repackaged take on Joe Biden. Your listeners, I'm sure, give you lots and lots of feedback about what it is that they want from this man.

1:30:45 What are people telling you that they want him to do? Just some really major policy commitments for the black community, mainly in the form of economic justice so we can tip the scales on some of this wealth inequality in America. I do hear a lot of people say, you know, we also want him to have a black woman running mate, you know, but not just any black woman running mate, one that's going to actually get in office and care that black people benefit from her presence there. You know, we need substance and significance over symbolism. And he's already committed to putting a black woman on the Supreme Court. So I just want him and the Democratic Party to know that it's time to give back to the black community in a very tangible way. But I can say that, you know, the major, the major point that I'm hearing about is just, you know, economic justice, some form of economic justice.

1:31:29 All right, let me unpack this from my perspective. So he's. Okay. First of all, we know Charlamagne is all in on Camela. So this is a push, economic justice. I think he's signaling that Kamala Harris should be the VP. And somehow he's saying, oh, okay. A tangible would be a black vice president. A black female vice president would be a tangible. Didn't we go through the whole black president thing? It didn't really benefit everybody that much. I mean, you walked me right into it because I was going to go right there.

1:32:09 How is it that we had a black president and we could only get an 18 to 1 on the crack to cocaine ratio, but you think a black female vice president is going to do what? Exactly. That's a tangible. No. How is that a tangible? And this economic, what was the word they used to say? Economic justice. Justice. That's a cold word for reparations. That's what that is. But he can't say that. Not yet. Wow. And I was too focused on the Camela part to realize that economic, that's exactly what it is.

1:32:49 Economic justice is code for reparations. I like it, though. It's a good way to package it, but you got to put some meat behind it. Right. It's safe. I'm like, just say it. I mean, if you, we're at this point now. Stop tiptoeing around the subject. Say it. If you don't say it, then, you know, you don't acknowledge me. I want to acknowledge you kind of thing. But does Charlamagne? I don't think Charlemagne, that's not his thing. He's not going to say reparations. Well, he might. Let's listen to the second clip and find out. The interview was cut short. You could hear the audio of one of the campaign staffers saying, well, we have to end now.

1:33:29 the former vice president has to do another interview. You said you had more questions. What else did you want to ask him? I'm gonna let you get your questions out now. Oh, that's good. I actually have a couple of them right here. I wanted to ask him about reparations because, you know, in his Black Agenda to Lift Every Voice, he committed to studying reparations. And I just wanted to ask him what reparations, you know, for black people look like to him and what is he prepared to do? Yeah, okay. I think that's bullcrap. I think it's, I think he's lying. He knew he had. That's the repackage. He had 15 minutes. He got three extra minutes. Come on, man. My wife's got to use the phone. He had 15 minutes and he didn't put reparations until the very, very, oh, I was going to do it in the 20th minute.

1:34:14 That should have been the last question you asked. If like he be rushing out the phone, then you're like, you know what? Well, fine. What do you think about reparations? Yeah, before you go. He wasn't going to ask. Yeah, exactly. Before you give Jill the phone. Just give me a little thought on the reparations thing. We've been yapping about Joe. That would have been the time to ask it, right? But he didn't because he wasn't going to ask it. Because Corey Book already told us, we just got the ability to say the word. So you're not going to ask the nominee for the Democratic Party on a prime time show.

1:34:55 Not prime time, but it was a highly visible radio show because people were anticipating this because he had dodged them. No, it's a prime time. It's a primetime show. It's a morning drive primetime show. Right. So, yeah, this is complete BS, but this is the repackage from the CNN. They learned. Yep. They learned. You're right. He learned and adjusted. But what this all was really about, it wasn't about people being upset that Joe Biden said something about black people who were black or not. This was everybody in the political sphere chance to level up. This is what this was really about. They know Joe needed help. And it's like, ooh, let me get my resume in. You know, the book, the biscuits are hot.

1:35:42 Yeah, I gotta go help. Gotta go help Joe. And the example of this was what led the A.M. Joy show before Charlamagne got on. And this is A.M. Joy Biden hires blacks. When friend of the show, Karine Jean-Pierre, officially joins the Biden presidential campaign team. It's an especially unique moment for the Biden campaign. Biden is boasting strong poll numbers, leading the sitting president by eight points, even in a Fox News poll. But with the ups come the downs. Biden has risked alienating his base with significant missteps as recently as this week, which is why Corine Jean-Pierre matters.

1:36:27 A veteran of the Barack Obama 2008 campaign who became an Obama White House staffer, then an author. And while we still had her, an MSNBC contributor and fan favorite, Corrine adds crucial credibility and experience to Team Biden. But she also enhances the team in another way. As a senior advisor, Corine will join what until now has been a rather exclusive club. Despite the presence of high-profile African-American staffers like senior advisor Simone Sanders, according to Rutgers University professor's analysis, Biden's national senior staff is 14% African American. And as of now, those whispering the closest in Mr. Biden's ear are rather uniform.

1:37:10 Well, I'm very familiar with Corrine Jean-Pierre because I've looked into her, follow her. I'm not a fan. I don't like her attitude. I don't like, I just don't like, she rubs me the wrong way. And we do know that she is Haitian American, right? She's not. Yes, that is correct. So she doesn't African American. She probably wouldn't be sympathetic to the whole plight of Ados. And I'm just alleging that. I mean, they're speculating on that. But what I want to point out is, yeah, see, she got the job. Everybody was leveraging, hey, Joe, Joe needs more black people. So let me get out here and kiss a little butt.

1:37:51 And maybe he picked me. And it's amazing how Joe Biden and the Democrats only have 14% representation on their campaign. This is one of those number games, again, where we can't be below the average population. So, you know, we got to at least be 14%. Yeah, all of this matters. It's sad, man. Sad. This is complete bull crap. But as he said with Simone Sanders. well, when Simone Sanders was on the Biden campaign, not the Biden campaign, but on Bernie Bernie campaign. Bernie campaign, she was talking about leadership should reflect the Democratic diversity.

1:38:36 Let's listen to that, please. Howard Dean, you know, Howard Dean was there for that 50-state strategy. But here's the issue: Howard Dean is also on record maligning young people and millennials, telling those Bernie folks they just need to get in line and maligning Bernie Sanders. And that is not what we need, in my opinion. We don't need white people leading the Democratic Party right now. The Democratic Party is diverse and it should be reflected as so in our leadership and throughout the staff at the top and the highest levels, from the vice chairs to the secretaries, all the way down to the people working in the offices at the DNC. I think we need to have a robust discussion about this. And I think we need to hear more from all the candidates. Jamie Harrison in South Carolina, he's great too. He has done real party building, but everybody doesn't necessarily know Jamie and they want to know what it is that he stands for.

1:39:18 So I want to hear more from everybody. I'm here for the millennials and the brown folk. She's threw in brown brown. Yeah. But then when she gets the job with Biden, he only has 14%. That's right. Where's the brown folks at? Where's the young people at? Nah, none of that. You do your job and you hush up. Well, we continue on with Joe. I keep wanting to say Joy Biden. That's correct. This would be her new name, Joy Biden.

1:39:58 She speaks on hiring blacks too. Perhaps that helps to explain some of the off-key notes that Biden has sounded in the past couple of weeks. Biden is team, I should say. Like failing to directly respond to an op-ed written by prominent black women activists and influencers who called on Biden to commit to choosing a black woman running mate, a black woman on the Supreme Court, and a substantive black agenda to give black voters a return on their investment in the Democratic Party and in the Biden candidacy. And frankly, to shore up the community that's sure to be hit the hardest with voter disenfranchisement in Republican-led states, and who knows, maybe from Russia again, and who face the greatest mortality risk if forced to line up and vote due to disproportionate rates of COVID-19 sickness and death.

1:40:46 Now, to be clear, the issue is not about threatening to withhold votes from Biden. Just look at what's happening in America right now. It's about policy concerns that black voters still have, even now. Biscuits for sale. I got nice biscuits for sale. It's not about let's be clear. It's not about not voting. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. And she brought up one points. I want to get to the small point first. They're going to push this voting from home mail-in ballot thing. So she floated that idea there because she's like, well, going to the polls is going to be dangerous, especially for black people. So they're going to use us to push voting from home in some kind of format or way.

1:41:33 Exactly. Whoa. It's like a binary one. Like you needed the two parts of the equation to make it work. You needed to have higher numbers of COVID-19 for African Americans. And then you need to add the mail-in vote. You got to combine the two together because we can't kill the blacks with the Rona. Jeez. If you want black people to go to the polls, then you want them to be dead. It's basically how it's going to be community. No, no, no, no. Donald Trump wants them to be dead. That will be the communication.

1:42:16 Yeah. And they're already laying the groundwork for that. So be prepared for that talking point to pop up. The big talking point that she propped up there was this opinion piece that they had in the Washington Post, which all of these, let me get who all was in it. You had Latoria Brown, co-founder of Black Votes Matter, Tiffany D. Cross. We had her on the show. She was the one that backed the one that disrespected Kobe. Gail King member, she's like, oh, Gail is being attacked by the misogyny.

1:42:55 Oh, yeah. That's her. Yes. Then you had Brittany Packnett, Cunningham, activist, educator, writer. Alicia Garza. That's the Black Lives Matter lady. Everybody came out. Everybody came out. Oh, I'm not done yet. You had Sonny Holston, aka Big Tim Boulet lady, aka. Yeah, she was riding hard for Kamala. Then you had. you have Angela Rye. She was involved. Oh, my goodness. Oh, my goodness. Amanda Seals. Yeah. So all these women put this thing together that we're going to play shortly. Wow. Joe Biden ignored them. He didn't even acknowledge them.

1:43:38 What? As he should have done with the Breakfast Club. If he was smart, he would have said, I got your vote already. That's how you work in politics. And I'm not saying that he should have ignored black people, but if somebody's going to give you something, if somebody says, I'm going to buy from you regardless, you don't cater to their needs. That's how business works. Yeah, don't sell past the close. Right. But let's listen to a snippet from their Washington Post opinion piece. Vice President Biden, you need us. You owe us. Black women are miracle workers. We have been saving the Democratic Party since 1965.

1:44:19 2020 is no different. Your only path to victory is through black women. The voters you need to turn out, we know how to mobilize them. Our votes must not be taken for granted. The following commitments will begin to show black voters that you are serious about us. America needs a black woman vice president. Candidates like Amy Klobuchar will not energize us. America needs a black woman in the Supreme Court justice. Remember Anita Hill? We do. America needs more in a comprehensive black agenda. The rules are rigged against our communities. Holy trash heap.

1:45:03 Mo. Wait a minute. Now, was this completely Washington Post organized? Or was that was does this group have a name? Are they an organization by themselves? I found this on the Washington Post YouTube channel and it's organized by Washington Post. I mean, I don't, all they have, all of them have their own individual organizations, but there's no one big organization. Yeah, but this is this. But this video, this little montage was produced by the Washington Post. Yes. Wow. Did the DNC. Did you hear the order? Oh, yeah. Yeah, but did the DNC just walk up and say, here it is, and here's your check? I mean, what the hell is this all about?

1:45:46 This is not a big challenge. This is pick me. This is MAMMI behavior. And I've said that before. Wow. And people may get mad at me. I don't really care at this point because if you participate in this kind of behavior, pick me, pick me. It's like, how disgusting is that? And then you lay out, they said the tangibles at the end. The agenda is at the end. First, we need the black. Right. I forgot you had that. But yeah, they laid out vice president first, which is nothing but a symbol, a symbolic position. Two is the Supreme Court justice, which if you really wanted

1:46:32 one or the other, I would take the Supreme Court justice because at least they would be there forever and they actually put the agenda last. But it's also a little sinister because you're talking about Ruth Bader Ginsburg dying. It's not like Joe becomes president and hey, I'm going to add one. That's not the plan. It's like, Ruth, time to go. You got to go, Ruth. You got to go. You got to turn black or go. One or the other. Black or both. And it could be both.

1:47:13 And I find that a little sinister because that is, I mean, how do you think she feels? They don't care. You heard what they want. And it's, and their priorities are really just jacked up from the very beginning. Because, like I said, I mean, the order of things is all out of whack. But imagine you doing this to get picked and Joe Biden ignored you. Yeah, that's the harsh part. They completely did not acknowledge it at all. And you know, the sad thing about this whole thing is even if they pick Amy Klobuchar, they'll do this mental gymnastic to say, well, at least she's a woman.

1:47:57 Yeah. And we still got to vote for Joe. I mean, no, seriously. I'm going to have to look this whole thing up on the Washington Post. This is real. Did it have a title or what was it? It's two minutes long. I only play like 44. Opinion. Biden, you need black women voters. Okay. All right. This is how you win them. I got you. It's two things. One from our very first show, you asked me, I think our second show, maybe. You said, well, what's the play for them to get black women to vote? You asked me that question, and I said, ego.

1:48:39 Now you see. Okay. This is ego. And when I say black women, I'm not talking about the average everyday black woman. I'm talking about these political agents, pundits, whatever you want to call them. They don't have any moral backing or underpinnings to say, you know, well, at some point, we're tired of being disrespected. They double down and say, hey, we said pick me, but now we say it louder since you, you know, we have more leverage for you to use against you to pick me. Yeah. Another thing we discussed early is: remember the three pictures on the wall?

1:49:22 Yes. It was MLK, Oprah, JFK, and the original was MLK, JFK, and Jesus, right? And then it got replaced with Obama, Oprah, excuse me, I mean, Michelle Obama, Oprah, and Beyonce. No, Beyonce, Beyonce. Yeah. So this next clip I found funny. This is 35. Listen, what we're saying. What we're saying is during the primary, we helped resurrect his campaign. You know, I like to call him Lazarus, Amanda. Yeah, I know you do. Yes. And, you know, I think black women are Jesus. In this context, I'm not being blasphemous. What?

1:50:10 She's basically saying they resurrected Joe's Biden's campaign. So they're like, Jesus. Oh, oh, oh, no, she did not. Yeah. Wow. He didn't even acknowledge them. And she has to say that. That's so sad. And this is why you can't trust these people. And this is why we do what we do. So I want to take this time to thank the people to support us, you know, to allow us to do what we do. I understand that there's some people out there who need my services.

2:02:38 It's way. It's old. There you go. Thank you very much, Carlo. Nathaniel Masters, also $20. Thaw, love the show. Thoughts about Hoteps? Would tax-free status be considered a tangible? Well, that's a lot of questions in one. You can take those. Well, thoughts on Hoteps? I think that word has been perverted in. like any other label, I'm careful how I use those things. Now, tax-free status was definitely a tangible and one that I'm all for. Definitely all for. Very interesting way of doing it. That would be my one of them if outside of cash, whole cold hard cash,

2:03:21 just make everything tax-free. I mean, cell phones, everything, all those little taxes that eat up your money. I think that would definitely have a huge impact on people's lives. That's very interesting. Have we talked about that? I think we mentioned it once, but I'm for that one. And the reason why, because the mechanism would be really easy to do if you do a payroll tax. Because that's, wow, I hadn't considered that because that is directly from the federal government. They control it based upon your social security number, which, you know, of course, is connected to your identity from which many things can be derived.

2:04:02 Interesting way to do it. There's your economic justice. All the taxes. Go ahead. No, it's not that. That's your economic justice mechanism. Very interesting. Exactly. And all the taxes that you file throughout, I mean, pay throughout the year, you just file them on your taxes at the end of the year and settle up with the RRS. It's a very doable tangible. And I would encourage anybody to back this idea. And I'll tell you why, because it's inevitable. No matter what the mechanism is, other groups will use it. And it will be used in other administrations and

2:04:39 for other reasons. But for once, it would be good to let our African-American brothers and sisters go first with a good thing. It's very possible. No more holding the door. Exactly. But it's so much easier than cutting a check. It's definitely doable. It's definitely doable. Because you also kind of have to be productive. We might have to talk about that in detail. I'd love to talk about that in detail. It's a very interesting way of doing it. Anyway. Thank you, Nathaniel. Yeah, Nathaniel. Yeah. This is exactly how value for value works.

2:05:19 And this is the feedback loop. It's very important. Thank you, Nathaniel. It really means a lot. Harm Feinstra. I believe he's Dutch. Excellent shows, he says. And I don't know if it's Harm or Neek, but it's Mr. Feinstra and 1999 is his number and we appreciate it. Bobby Rowe comes in with 1960. I attend school to be a history teacher, he says. The cost of tuition is $490 a credit hour. After 75 days of class, that comes out to one class being worth $19.60. This is how I came to what the actual value of your lesson on Abraham Lincoln was last week.

2:05:59 I now work with kids in the juvenile justice system, and your podcast definitely has shifted my conversations as a white man from those talking to kids from the eyes of a new Jim Crow to the eyes of Mo. Let that sink in for a second, my friend. When I read this, I was. That's a big compliment. Yeah. That's Ved. That's a very, and I agree. Your conversations have shifted my eyes from a message of victimization to a message of empowerment. Thank you for your hard work, and I'll happily take all the jingles, goat Woosa, and any others you have combined into, what does this say? Combined into

2:06:44 on by. I think May One Buy. Yeah, but one show in honor of Joe Biden's shit show. Yeah. I'm not quite sure what I can do for you there, but we can certainly give you the goat and the Woosa and the karma. And I'm going to hit that right now for you. I'm sending you tons of good awesome cheat. Take that. Take that. Take that. You've got. Mo Kong. I like the combination. I love that. Well, Bobby Rowe really brought it with the 1960.

2:07:29 And that is, and I love that because it's a great example of value. It's what he gets for teaching. It's what the actual cost is. Great. Perfect number. Thank you. James Neemeyer, obviously, like the previous episode and was one of two people who came in with $16.19, a callback to the New York Times 1619 project, which. which James says he loved. John Taylor says enlightening, $16.19. Anonymous, $11.11. Magic numbers. Thank you for that. No note, though. Pierre Stith, $10. Just a small token of my appreciation for all of the work you put into your informative and entertaining podcast.

2:08:13 Thank you, Pierre. Jordan Chapman says, thanks for the show. Sends us $10. This recently shook me. Cure or con more gubertorial gubernatorial misconduct with special guest John Cullen. Your hustle and integrity is appreciated. Yeah, that was a YouTube video he sent to me. And I do watch Goodman's channel as well. So I'll have to check out this episode. I haven't seen this episode, but I do watch Goodman's. Okay. So that's a good production note, and we appreciate that, Jordan. And all of it eventually comes out in the show. William Hawthorne, $5, but no note, but we appreciated David Swigart, Swiggert, S-W-I-G-A-T, $5 for enduring two hours of a squawking harpy for your loyal listeners.

2:09:04 Okay. And finally, Ken sends us $3.33 and says, letting us not watch AM Joy and still know the agenda. So he's feeling all kinds of value. And I really want to thank every single one of these people who've supported this show, who are our producers. We have got our executive producers, our associate executive producers, and a lot of value coming back. Not just the numbers, but the things that are being said and the ideas. And that is really how the game works these days. This is how we grow and how we learn together. And we're not hindered by any outside noise or interest.

2:09:42 Please consider supporting us for our next show. You can go to mofax.com, support mofax with Adam Curry. If you want to go to the donation page directly, it's mofundme.com, M-O-E-F-U-N-D-M-E dot com, mofondme.com. And thank you again all very much. And it's funny that people, the last two comments that what they made about the squawking harpy and the letting us know, let us not watch AM Joy. The reason why I said it is, I watched that show for the whole two hours. And by the time I was done, I was charged. Like, I mean, fired up.

2:10:28 Mad, because I normally digest it in small chunks. But to see, because I want to make sure I caught everything, you know, that maybe the little things they would leave out of clips that they put on the internet. So by the time I watched it, that's why I posted that when I posted on Twitter, that, man, I was, that's mind control. It's no other, there's no other way to say it, mind control. So I want to use this final block of clips to counterbalance that mind control. Now, it's the antidote. This is like the, this is the vaccine we're giving you right here. Right, right. It's the hydroxychloroquine of mind control with the D3 booster. With the D3 booster and the side of zinc coming at you.

2:11:15 We have to really look at this thing called black. Seriously, because I know on the show all the time I say so-called or quote-unquote black because I don't really use that term black, but I have a love-hate relationship with it because it's not who I am. It's an adjective. It's not a noun. It's not a nationality. It's not a not a culture, not a any of these things. It's just a descriptor. And if it can easily be defined and stripped away from people, we really have to look at getting rid of this term and finding another term that better fits us.

2:11:56 That's why I was all geeked up about ADOS when it first came out. Ados was a good one. And by the way, if I use it, people still recognize it and appreciate it. Right. But it's been hijacked. Yeah, taint it. I'm going to say taint it. I'm going to say taint. I agree. So I found this clip. This is from Dr. Jose Pimenta Bay. He's from the Moors. He talks about black ethnicity or black African American. This individual is calling himself white. We're going to react and call ourselves black because we're the opposite.

2:12:39 Not really understanding that we're not exactly taking a step in the right direction because now, as I like to say, given all the cult deling. linguistic and cultural baggage of black, you are trying to push an elephant uphill on roller skates. You're trying to turn a negative into a positive. Whoa. So, we talked about this term black, the word black on the show before. We have a throwback clip, and it was, I think, is I use the word witch because that's what she referred to herself as.

2:13:15 Yeah, uh, the uh esoteric meaning in black, and it's very negative, and just in the everyday use of black, it's very negative. Uh, but the point he's trying to make is black in English language was negative before they applied it to us as a group. Oh, yeah, black magic, yeah, black magic, black, uh, black, black market, black, black plague, black plague, all of them. Whenever you put that word in front of it, it uh notates negativity.

2:13:50 Uh, so we really need to start investigating and finding who we are. But the need for us to be black, and he said it in like the first maybe 10 seconds of the clip we just played, is it's reactionary to what we've called white supremacy, labeling things as white, and white is synonymous with pure. So, everything that's not pure goes into used to be black, but now you have all these multi-different groups. That's where the people of color come from. It's white and everybody else, and it's binary.

2:14:31 Uh, and my thought behind this is to program anything, you have to have ones and zeros, which is binary. So, they're programming society by making us ones and zeros. You're you're a one, I'm a zero, right? And there, that's how they program society mentally. Is that crazy? It's actually not because if you look at people that way and you look at it as the basis, the building blocks of computer code of computer functions, you can assemble these ones and zeros in certain ways to get an outcome.

2:15:12 I mean, I'm taking the metaphor to its extreme, but no, please do because I mean, I alley it up there, and I mean, you should slam it on home. Well, so if you want the uh, the binary equivalent of the number uh 38, uh, that would be 100110. And so, that's one white, two blacks, two whites, one black. And strangely enough, the universe sometimes works this way that things transfer from mathematics into uh the physical world.

2:15:52 So, it's completely, I like the analogy a lot: of the base, the basic blocks of society are ones and zeros, or at least that's the way it's being programmed in our brains. Yeah, and everything now is what ones and zeros, up vote, down vote, swipe left, swipe right. Everything is binary now. Oh, my goodness, Mo. So, let's get into Forrest Kenny. And this guy only has like a hundred-something YouTube followers, but I found this very interesting snippet on binary thinking. So, let's explore how binary thinking works and how it doesn't work.

2:16:36 Much of reality is something like this spectrum of hues. What binary thinking does is reduce all these subtle gradations to just two states. And so, the spectrum of hues is reduced to and labeled white and black. One of the many problems with this is that these two different shades are both called black, even though these two shades are much more alike. And these two shades are both called white, even though these two shades are much more alike. So, the uniqueness of each shade is lost in this crude way of thinking. Here's another issue: in a binary structure, if you have black, then not black can only be white.

2:17:23 Yeah, yeah. So, what Joe Biden did was say, if you're not thinking this way or voting this way, you're no longer black. And he meant white. It's completely binary. Yeah, it is. And that's how this is how politics work because when they do, and the image I get is in Matrix in the Matrix movie. Remember the guy sitting there watching the screen with just the ones and zeros go up? But he actually sees the code and he knows what images are actually make up the code.

2:18:05 So what Dr. Bay had brought up was it's completely reactive. The state of being black is reactive to white. That's it. White defines white, and then we're reactive when we say we're black. That's how it works. And that's how the system is designed to work. Well, I'm a big fan, and I actually live my life by Stephen Covey's book, Seven Habits of Highly Effective People. And Habit One is, well, let's just get into Habit One. Now we want to look at the foundational habit, habit one, to be proactive.

2:18:48 Why foundational? Because all of the other habits flow out of it. If habit one is present, you can cultivate the other six. If it is not present, you will not cultivate the other six. Habit one, be proactive, basically means that your life is a product of your values, not your feelings. That your life or the organization's life is a product of your decisions, not your conditions.

2:19:34 The opposite of being proactive is to be reactive, which basically means that your life is a function of your feelings, your moods, your impulses, other people's treatment. And little did he know of the prediction of Twitter in a nutshell, right there. And that's what these whole people that can't like free thinkers because a free thinker is proactive. It's like, these are the conditions. This is what I wanted to do. This is what I can control.

2:20:15 This is my decision. They're completely reactive. And that's why they can't jibe with free thinkers because that's what they say. Well, Trump makes me feel bad. It's not about, you know, what they can control. And, you know, well, I'll choose a third option of not voting. You know, I just won't participate. That drives them crazy because that's not binary. Am I making sense? Yeah, no, it's actually the third option is actually quantum thinking in that if you carry the analogy all the way through. Right. And it breaks the system. It breaks the binary system. And that's why people get so bent out of shape because, no, you have to choose between the two options giving you.

2:20:58 And people are like, no, I don't have to choose. I'm being proactive. I'm being in control of myself. I'm not a victim. I'm not a, no, only going to go off my emotions. I'm going to use logic. Well, to wrap this up, I always like to end the show on a high note. We can discuss it after the clip plays a little more, but he lets you know about how you take control of your own situations. Think on it this way: two circles. The larger outer circle, you call the circle of concern.

2:21:37 Things you're concerned about, things you're worried about. But then there is an inner circle that's very small that are concerns you have influence over. Where do proactive people focus their energies? Which circle? The inner circle. Where do reactive people focus their energies? The outer circle. Why? Because they're victimized. And I'll say, if you've never read any of this or seen any of the seven habits of highly effective people, it's well worth looking into.

2:22:21 Even if you don't wind up following all of the habits, there is takeaway. It's helped me. I think it's helped tens of millions of people. And the biggest thing, this has been a big cornerstone, unknowingly, to the listeners of this show. because I don't worry about my circle of concern, right? I'm aware of it, but I don't worry about it because I can't control it. And that's what I always tell people about when we talk about Corona, right? They're saying, Well, Corona affects black people. You know, it's killing black people. Why? What can they do to control it? Oh, well, you can eat healthier, exercise, wash your hands.

2:23:02 I mean, do the things you can't control and then don't worry about it. And voting, same thing. What can I do to control my situation? I can be financially responsible, keep my mutual, spend my money within my community. These things. I can't just hear, oh, I feel so bad because I'm a victim. You know, it gets you nowhere. It gets you nowhere at all. And that's why I said we really have, if black is the reaction to white, then we have to start being proactive and define who we are, basically, in a nutshell. That's how we defeat this whole thing. And then once we define who we are, everybody does that, then we're schools of fish.

2:23:45 Now we're coming back to the fish again. It's like now you have people taking control of their online, being proactive, and they're swimming. That's my solution. Mo, every single time we do this, we come to this point in the show. I got a big smile on my face, and you've done it again. This has been a great one. And particularly in this time, this timing, I find it incredibly inspirational. Again, I've learned more things. I know I'm not alone. And I think, you know, this is good. That's all I can say. It's damn good. This is fun. It's just fun.

2:24:27 What else are you going to do as a podcaster on a Monday night? That's it. And I just would tell people: control the things that you control and try not to worry about the things you can't control. And as I always say, pay attention to everything and the truth will reveal itself. And we will be back next week. And please consider supporting the show as a producer by going to mofax.com or mofundme.com. Mo, I'll talk to you next week, buddy. All right, talk to you later, Adam. Take care, everybody. Bye-bye. You're gonna change my life around.

2:25:19 You came to me when I was lonely and no one cared. You made me feel that I was only just one again. I saw your face and something told me you were the one you smiled at me and now I see my life's begun.