33: Sandbagged

00:02 This week on Yankee and the Brave. Mo Facts with Adam Curry for April 18th, 2020. This is episode number 33. Finally, we're back together. Mo, how you doing, man? I'm doing a lot better. Actually, I can the pipes are back working. Yeah, because, well, we should first apologize. Well, you don't have to apologize. I'll apologize because we did not have a show last Saturday.

00:39 We tried to do the show a couple of times from Saturday, Sunday, Sunday, Saturday, Monday, Tuesday, but actually, you were ill and with a sore throat, which had me worried for a little bit. Yeah, had me worried too. This is like really the first time I ever lost my voice to the point where I just didn't want to talk, but it slowly started coming back. I didn't want to push it. And like I said, I appreciate everybody having the patience and their well-wishes over social media and all the other platforms. I think that good energy helped me bring me back to 100%.

01:19 You called me, what, Friday, I think, last week? I'm going to say it was maybe Friday. And I heard you. I'm like, what is that? What is that? You sounded like you're on death's door, man. It was bad. It was really bad. I sounded a lot worse than I actually felt. So, I mean, that was a good thing. And I was scared. People would give me the sigh-a. So, yeah. Exactly. And may I note that you not only use your voice back, but you also sound fantastic today. This must be, of course, because of the support of our producers of the show, who we'll be thanking later on. We were able to get Mo a good setup. Now, what do you have there? You got the Shur. Let me see here. That'd be the SM40, probably.

02:05 Is the professional podcasters immediately know which microphone they're using? Okay. Hey, man. Hey, look, it's a sure. It's like the SM7B, I believe. There you go. That's the one. So, yeah, it's like the official podcaster's microphone. So, Mama, I made it. Woo! Big time, big league. And just in time for episode 33. All right. Well, I am very excited to hear what you got going on because a lot has happened since we last spoke. In fact, the last time I even mentioned the show on No Agenda, two or three episodes ago,

02:51 we were learning that I think the correct statement would be people of color in the African-American community are getting the Rona more than anybody else, and they're dying quicker. And isn't that amazing how they could easily say that, but you can't say Wuhan flew or anything like that. You know what? I want to table that because that's definitely on my list of things that come back around. But I didn't want to do too many consecutive shows on the pandemic. So let's do, well, just let's spin the wheel and see what we're going to talk about. All right. All right.

03:31 We're spinning the wheel. The wheel of topics. Where it stops, nobody knows. Only Mo knows, of course, but it makes it more fun when we try to figure out as the wheel comes down to a grinding halt. And Bernie Sanders has dropped out of the race. Okay, interesting. Bernie Sanders has dropped out of the way race. So we have covered a number of Democratic candidates over the whole 2020 primaries. And I thought it was... Seems so long ago, Mo. It does, right? We had Kamala, we had Corey, we had Bloomberg, Marianne Williamson.

04:10 Yeah, we had Tulsi Gabbard, all of them now. Right. One after another have dropped out and have endorsed Joe Biden, which makes it even funnier. Right. And that's why I want to cover this because we've seen them drop one by one. And I think there's a common thing to why they fell out. But in this show, we're going to cover Joe Biden's whole, I mean, excuse me, Bernie Sanders' whole political history from even going back to 2016 to him wrapping up his campaign in 2020. Okay. All right. Excellent. I guess we'll jump right into Bernie Sanders drops out. I want to turn now to the 2020 campaign because Joe Biden is the presumptive nominee for the Democratic Party after Bernie Sanders ended his presidential campaign today.

04:59 The one time. frontrunner told his supporters he couldn't win and didn't want his campaign to interfere as the nation fights the pandemic. Ed O'Keefe reports tonight from here in Washington, Ed. Nora, good evening. This chaotic Democratic campaign began with Senator Sanders on top. He even plowed ahead after a heart attack last fall. But he conceded today the coronavirus pandemic is one of the reasons he's getting out, and he was forced to make his remarks from home in Vermont alone with no supporters by his side. Man, talk about a bum ride. I almost forgot about the heart attack bit. Yeah, he had the heart attack and then he had to bow out, you know, no fanfare.

05:38 Right. But the media, the liberal media, couldn't help but to take jabs at Bernie on his way out. So, Brianna Joy Gray, who, of course, was national press secretary for Bernie Sanders and is now freelance. Causing a little bit of a storm. It's fun to watch her go hard. I mean, she's such a sharp intellect. Yeah. And she got in a little bit of a back and forth with Joy Reed about the causes behind why Bernie Sanders ultimately wasn't able to be successful. Joy was making fun of the idea that the Sanders campaign was too nice. Brianna pointing out very factually that all of these issues, including credible sexual assault allegation, pattern of unwanted touching, burrow and other corruption issues, lying about his civil rights record, none of this stuff was really brought up during the primary.

06:29 And that's on the Sanders campaign. It's on really Bernie himself, though, at the end of the day, because we've had the reporting that there were, and we've heard this ourselves too, from people within the campaign, there was pressure on him to be more aggressive against Joe Biden. He just didn't want to do it. Gee, he just wouldn't do it. Why not? I wonder why. And that just struck me is that 2016 and 2020, Bernie was a big wuss. And I hate to say that. I know it might upset some people, but when he could have really went in for the kill on both Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden, he always held back. And it was not missed.

07:11 And as you heard there, even his campaign even said they wouldn't listen to him and go after the candidates that he was going against. But go ahead. I was going to say, it always seemed to me like Bernie didn't actually want to win. And that's what it felt like. Well, I'm going to be completely honest right here. I mean, from the very onset of this show, my personal take on Bernie Sanders is he was controlled opposition. That would be another way of looking at it, and very possible. Because if you leave that void open, and this is solely my opinion, but if you leave that void open for something or someone to come in and fill it, that charismatic and outsider,

08:03 then you have a problem. But if you go ahead and create the person that will fill that void, everybody will rally around him and then he can steer them the way he wants to steer them. It's interesting you say controlled opposition because it seems so obvious, but he seems so genuine. And the groundswell of support for Bernie seems so genuine that if that truly is, if he was in the race twice and maintained there just to be controlled opposition, that's very well done. Yeah, I'd say a big coup for that one. Can we? All right. So this is how I think the conversation goes.

08:49 Bernie, you'll bring attention to your causes. We'll have incremental change. And, you know, you'll get a large platform to get some of the ideas out that you want to be identified for, I mean, identify with, and you'll be a legend. Yeah, and we'll throw one or two of your policies into the big game plan or something like that. Right. So it's a win. I mean, it's a win for him, but he wasn't going. This is just solely my opinion, but not, I'm not the only one that shares this opinion, but I think he was used as a control mechanism so that the Democrats didn't have to go too far left.

09:33 Sounds feasible, Mo. Totally. And with that, let's listen to some more of the mainstream liberal media dump on Bernie Sanders with CNN Trashes Bernie. So, as you all know, Bernie Sanders, of course, officially suspending his presidential campaign yesterday and mid-morning. gave a speech to his supporters about the path forward and how important the movement was and next steps, where we go from here. Apparently, though, Stannon wasn't impressed with the soccer. Oh, they certainly weren't. Let's take a listen to what they said.

10:08 What struck me the most there is Senator Sanders in saying goodbye did acknowledge that Joe Biden had an insurmountable lead, but he didn't say anything nice about Joe Biden. He did not say he'd spoken to him. He did not say he would work with him. He said it was imperative to beat President Trump, but there was no big embrace of Joe Biden. He said nicer things about Joe Biden back during some of the Democratic debates than he said in saying goodbye. It was really noteworthy that that was not part of his message at all. In fact, it's funny you say that as he was speaking, I was texting with people in and around Joe Biden asking if he had gotten a phone call because it was so glaringly absent. Okay, let me read you a quote from Bernie's concession speech.

10:53 Bernie, quote, I congratulate Joe Biden, a very decent man. There you go. Here you get. Joe Biden will be the nominee and saying he will work with Joe Biden in order to defeat Donald Trump. We all know what's going on here. Hmm. And then the establishment left wonder wise people don't like them. It's not good enough that you get the win, but we got to kick this guy while he's down. And then at the same time, you expect his supporters to come out and

11:35 turn the other cheek in and just. Well, that's the thing. That's what I'm when you lay out this controlled opposition strategy, then you have to have an exit. So the exit took place. Bernie gave his endorsement, but what do you do with, well, obviously with his delegates. I don't know if that matters anymore. But what do you do with his support? I mean, how do you drop them or do you still try and bring them into vote for the candidate who, I guess, Biden in this case, we'll see. I mean, how do you do that? I don't see it happening. Oh, they have a game plan, and it's the same game plan they have been playing on the black vote for the last 40 years.

12:20 Either you're going to vote for us or you're going to let the bad guy win. So this is why this now we're getting to the point of why did Sean know people like, why are we just talking about politics? No, we're seeing now, I told you, whatever happened to us first, the quote-unquote black community is rolled out to everybody else later on down the line. Yeah. And that's what we're seeing now. We were told to shut up the vote. Yeah, we just got to watch you. We just got to watch Mo, and then we know exactly what's coming. You're the canary in the coal mine. Haven't we seen this before? Shut up and vote. Shut up and vote. For about 32 episodes, we've seen it. Right.

12:59 If you don't vote, you're going to be the reason that the boogeyman wins. So that's the same thing they're going to play on the, and I don't really use the term, but the Bernie bros. Right. Just where it has an understanding for what that means. But they're going to be treated the same way the black vote has been treated to just shut up and vote. With that said, of course, and with all this drama going on, of course, President Trump couldn't help but to chime in and throw a little shade himself. We note that Bernie Sanders has dropped out. I did see that, did it? Yeah. Well, he didn't really drop out. He didn't really. What about his delegates? I mean, he said he's going to keep his delegates, and which is sort of interesting.

13:43 He's going to keep his delegates and he'd like to get more. Now, is he dropping out or not? That's not dropping out. When you keep your delegates and then you want more delegates before you get to the convention, it's a weird deal going on there. But wasn't that before he endorsed Biden? Or does that not? I don't know if that's right. This is like right between. I mean, it was a short period of time. I think this fell right between him and dropping out and an endorsement. But if you notice, Trump had to get in there and stir it up. Like, he didn't really drop out. So, you know, you might want to keep out, which he should. He should keep the, because he understands as long as he keeps the

14:24 wound from scabbing over with the Bernie supporters, that either one, which I've all talked about in the show as well, is the negative vote. He's trying to play the negative vote into his favor. Yeah, let's make the Bernie bros stay at home, or we can maybe swing some over to our side, which he's done for the black vote. vote. Everyone's got the same strategy. And again, we test it on the black folk and then we apply it everywhere else.

15:02 It's so cynical. I love it. It is so cynical, but like I said, if you just read the tea leaves, which us being us being the tea leaves in this situation in most situations. With that said, most of my clips today are going to come from the far left. One being, I heard, you know, you heard a couple of clips from Crystal and Sagar from The Hill. Yeah. Because I don't want to hear what the establishment left has to say or the establishment liberal media, that being MSNBC, CNN. That's the corporate wing, you know, the Democratic Party.

15:43 I want to hear what the actual... The actual radicals. Yes, the radicals and the left have to say. So with that said, I found one, Jimmy Dore. I listened to... Very familiar with Jimmy Dore. Right. With paying attention to everything, you have to go to the far left, far far left, and the far, far right, so you can set your boundaries and then see how it plays his center. With that said, let's listen to how Jimmy Dore, what he thinks about Bernie Sanders and how he ran his campaign.

16:19 All people are concerned about, Steph, is beating Donald Trump, right? Because they've been told everything was okay before Donald Trump, and then everything will go back to normal if we just get rid of Donald Trump, even though they're passing his legislative agenda, the Democrats. So maybe the reason why people are interested in Joe Biden is because people just want to beat Trump at any cost. And then when they turn on the TV and they hear Bernie Sanders say this, they're like, oh, oh, yeah, I got to watch. No, I'm not saying that. I've been asked that a million times that I believe Joe can beat Trump. And if Joe is the candidate, I'll do everything I can to make sure that he does. And so he says, yeah, I think, and even Jake Tapper's like, this is your strategy to tell everybody your opponent can win?

17:02 What kind of a fucking strategy is that, Grab? Will you go on national television and you tell everybody that your opponent's going to win in November? He's basically running Joe Biden's. You know, Joe Biden's whole campaign? His whole campaign is Joe's a decent guy and he can beat Trump. What did Bernie Sanders just say? Joe is a friend of mine and I think he can beat Trump. That's Joe Biden's campaign slogan, fucking idiot. What are you doing repeating your opponent's campaign slogan? What does this get you? Do you consider Jimmy Dore far left? Not Antifa far left. No. He's to the right of them, but with his,

17:47 and let me establish what I'm saying with far left. The people that think what you would classify as Democratic socialists, the healthcare for all, $15 hour minimum wage, very liberal worker rights. Let's see what else. They're more economic. It's not the social justice wing. Now, some of their stuff overlaps, but that's why I consider him on the spectrum on the political spread. It is interesting because Jimmy Dore has a big overlap with our media tribe with no agenda. And even MoFax, I think a lot of people will watch Jimmy Dore as well. Right.

18:30 So, I mean, that's why I wanted to bring him in because him, the heel, and it's a couple more YouTube, I just say left, left-leaning YouTubers that are not buying the Biden Kool-Aid. They're not drinking the Body Kool-Aid. And we're starting to hear that. And now they're starting to look at Bernie is funny because it's like, dude, everything you did worked in favor, one, to get Hillary Clinton elected in 2016. You didn't talk about the emails. I mean, not only did he not talk about the emails, he said he came out. He said it was not interesting. He said, I'm not interested in the emails. How are you trying to win a campaign?

19:15 And you have that kind of approach to something that can take down your opponent. And let's juxtapose that to how Obama handled Clinton in 2008. He said straight up, hey, she's not going to get it. She's too establishment. So when you see a real competitor, how they handled the left establishment or the Democratic establishment, Bernie Sanders, supposedly supposed to be a radical, and he fell way short of. of wanting to take the gloves out the wind by any means. Yes. With that said, I found an interesting clip for Roland Martin.

19:56 Wait a minute. That's an oxymoron. Interesting clip, Roland Martin. It's hard for me to put those in the same sentence. Well, after this, you might reconsider that. Roland Martin, Bernie, and the Boule mindset. Here's the reality, Robert. You got to make a decision. And what I mean by that is you can't play an inside game from the outside. You can't say, I want to have influence, but I want to be on the outside because the reality is in order to have influence, you've got to be on the inside to actually do it. And I think that for senator Bernie Sanders, he also has to make a decision.

20:36 You've seen all the stories about his own camp, how he talked about his unwillingness to compromise, things along those lines. Dog, look, you ain't going to get your way on everything. You got to be able to negotiate. And so that's going to be a call he has to make. And here's the deal: if you think you're going to win by attacking the very people who you need to influence to change stuff, not going to happen. Okay. First of all, I've never heard Roland Martin talk like this. Uh-huh. Yo, dog. This is not a CNN interview, I'm sure. Where was this? This is on his YouTube channel.

21:19 That's why. Oh, okay. He can, you know, he can let his blackness fly. Yeah, it was airborne. And that is his tale. No kidding. When he says that, he's about to say something that may he thinks is controversial. So he'll drop that. Hey, yo, dog. It's like, what? What is that? But what we've seen here unmasked, unknowingly, I don't know if he knows or not. And I'll probably put this as an evergreen because we might need to come back to this. It's how the bullet thinks. Oh, you have to get inside the room. You know, to make change, Jay-Z in the NFL.

21:59 You got to get inside the room. All the Democratic politicians. You know, you have to get inside the room to have incremental change. This is all they've said to everybody that's been, I'm not voting unless you have something transactional. Now it's incremental. No, that's not going to fly. And I just like, that's why I found it interesting because he unknowingly let his guard down and let his spouse his mindset. Now we can apply that to whenever we hear him talk on other topics that you, they're not radicals. Oh, yeah, no, we've noted. We've got this one marked down. Absolutely. Right.

22:42 So now what I want to do is go back a little bit because this is the end of his campaign. We need to go back and look at one where he was at maybe in 2015 forward. I want to just go back in history and go forward. Okay. This is a clip from Karen Hunter, one of our show favorites. Yes. And she discusses, she discusses, does Bernie Sanders have a black agenda? So I want to open up the phones because we have a lot of people yesterday that wanted to talk about Bernie Sanders, Bernie people.

23:21 And I need to understand y'all. 866801825. Because y'all move in a way that feels cultish. And I'm going to say that out loud. So call at me whatever. I have no agenda. I don't like Bernie Sanders, not because of anything personal. I had the opportunity to watch him for four, five years now. And what I see is a man that's stuck in a particular ideology. I'm not saying he didn't march with King, but that was 50 years ago. I'm saying racially he's from a state that has no culture that reminds me of my own. And the things that he says are insulting when he talks about black people to me. That's my opinion.

24:07 Okay. This is the tone that Bernie Sanders had to face in the primaries from the so-called black media. Now, I want you to mark this down, number seven, her tone, how she said how Bernie Sanders talked to black people. Right. Insulting. It's insulting to me. Yeah, insulting. Insulting. Because write that down because we're going to revisit that in a moment. But I guess we can go on into part two of this clip. All of this, you must be bought out by the boy. who I know. So, so you must be a corporate show. I'm a corporate something. Oh, okay. Listen, come on, call up. Somebody threatened to call me on YouTube: 866-801826.

24:50 Welcome. I'm here for you. They know it's a call. People call it all of them. I'm going to call your show. Call my show. Because here's the thing: if Bernie Sanders is the nominee, I'm voting for him in November. Yes. Because I'm mature. I understand what's at stake. And we vote strategically, not by the heart sleeves that we cry and bleed upon. We can be critical and strategic at the same time. I will vote for the man if he is the nominee. Yeah. But he's not my choice. This is incredible. Okay. Now, hold on. I almost let something slide in clip seven. She clearly says she has no agenda. Yeah, I heard that. Which I think will be a great

25:33 ISO. Yeah. Nice ISO for the no agenda show. But how can you say you have no agenda, but you hold Bernie Sanders to the, you know, to the standard of having a black agenda. Right. She let that slip out herself that she says she has no agenda. Now, you ask me, I have an agenda. You know, when I vote, you know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, this is what I want. But she lets you know, I'm not going to vote for, I don't have any agenda, but at the end of the day, I'll get a Democrat. Exactly. How does that work? You don't have an agenda, but you're going to vote for whoever the Democrats put up.

26:16 Well, that's letting someone else set your agenda, I guess. Or adopting some. So it's not her agenda. I'm taking the agenda I'm told to take. Yeah. And I hate to go back and play clips, but can you please play just the first 10 seconds and catch, she stops herself short of saying something. And I'm going to be petty here. But let's just listen to the first 10 seconds of number eight again. And let's just wonder what she stopped herself from saying. All of this, you must be bought out by the who I don't. Right there. Uh-huh. The bulet. The bole. Unless she meant Burger Bob. Let's hear it again. All of this, you must be bought out by the who I know.

27:01 Not now. So you must be a corporate shit. I'm a corporate something. No, it's we heard you. We heard you. Yeah, I heard you. I heard you. Now, this, so this next clip is, yeah, we know what you're going to say. They sound bought out by the boolet. She caught herself. She almost said it. And I would have loved to hear that. But this next clip is from her show as well. And we played this on a previous show. It was the Mike Bloomberg show. I forget what number that was, but this is a sort of a long clip, almost two minutes, but it's a rant. So I had to capture everything just to put you in that mindset of Karen Hunter and the people that she brings on her show and their real agenda.

27:46 Bloomberg is responsible not just for stopping Frisk, furthering it, systematizing it, glorifying it, defending it up until last year when he decided he was going to run, but he was surrounded by intellectuals, black activists, activists of color across the entire spectrum who outlined for him the problems. New York City Lawyers Association, Nightclue, the data, the statistics, he had facts, he had information, and he was committed to a racist policy that jailed black people, arrested black people, stopping frisk black people. I had 32 students, Bushwick, 32, 32 students who were on their way to a funeral, had permission from their principals, had letters from their parents, accosted by the cops, held for 36 hours, had to go to trial, had to get in.

28:33 My husband is beat up in court by court officers at their defense trial because the way in which police and court officers were militarized against black and brown communities. And you expect us to just eat that he's got money, so he's going to be the best candidate. Gentrification. Bedford Stuyvesant, Crown Heights, East New York, Flatbush, Harlem, the Bronx, black people driven out of this city under policies that favored wealthy white people and developers. We cannot even sustain our communities right now. Education. He undermined the ability for us to have culturally competent education. You want me to say, because he can beat Trump, so Trump gonna, he's gonna do what he do. Bloomberg gonna do what he doing.

29:13 Yeah, he might win. But guess what? All y'all getting arrested. All y'all getting stopped in front of he implements the same policies across the country that he further and supported in the state of New York. Give me a break. We can do better than this. And I'm sorry I got to agree with Megan McCain, but now I'm upset. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to add that with. If he's the nominee, are you going to vote for him? I don't think he should be the nominee. If he's the nominee, because that's a strong possibility. If he's a nominee, knowing and having said everything that I just said, because I'm aware about how the politics and the system in this country works, yes, I will have to vote for him. It's probably the best clip we have. Such a rant. And then, but you know, Potty says I do what the party tells me to do.

29:55 Crazy. I just want to play that for a perspective on what you're going to get in the general election. I find that inherently un-American. I don't like political parties in general. I've never belonged to one. I never will. I'm not interested. It's just, it seems like it's just, and I know that he needs to for collective power. And I understand how it works, but I like voting for a person, not for a party. I just, I can't help myself. And here's my issue. If you're pro-Democratic or pro-Democrat Party, that's fine. That's your prerogative. But don't mask yourself and cloak yourself in blackness.

30:33 Yeah. You know, and then when it comes down to whether, you know, one, if for people to say, like me to say, I'm not going to vote unless there's a transaction for my vote, you treat us like trash. You talk down to us. That's not limited to Bernie's supporters. They did the same thing. But then when it's time to vote, it's like, oh, yeah, we're going to do whatever. We're going to do whatever you tell us to do. Come on. I mean, like, how dumb, how dumb do we have to be? But wait. So the question always is: I mean, people listen to these shows. People have this opinion. People, there are lots of people who must think like this. Or are there? I don't know. Is this now the general thinking?

31:16 They are the loudest in the room. And that's what I always say. These people have the microphones. And one thing, let me say this. One positive about the whole coronavirus thing is, oh, how the mighty have fallen. When they don't have their bright lights and their million-dollar cameras and their sound stages and somebody beating their face for two hours before they get in front of the camera with makeup, they're just like us. Yes. Isn't that amazing how that works? Yeah. So now we're seeing, I think, that they don't matter. You know, when you put them in those bright lights, they may, and we talked about the last show, they're casting spells.

31:57 Yes. But without their voodoo, you know, they can't, their spells don't work as much because now you're just somebody sitting in a poorly lit room with, you know, you know, with inferior equipment, you know, pushing an agenda. Worse than a podcaster. Yes, I hear you. Because that, because they don't even take their craft serious. I mean, you would think if it was your craft, you would have a good setup in your house just in case. That's the question. What is their craft exactly? Now you start to see. Yeah, it's casting spells on the behalf of whoever has the biggest purse. Speaking of casting spells, the number one top witch doctor, Dr.

32:39 Excuse me, Reverend Al Sharpton, has even his two cents for Bernie Sanders. What do you expect to hear from Bernie Sanders? He's been getting some flack in some ways over his inability to bring that economic populist message into alignment with speaking to how race intervenes in this. What do you expect to hear from him? You know, Bernie Sanders' challenge, and I said this to him, is that you cannot deal with saying kill identity politics, economic populism, and not deal with the racial problem in even dealing with economics. Because when he talks about we must bring the

33:17 body politic to Main Street, the difference between Main Street and Martin Luther King Boulevard. We can't act like that the people on Main Street don't have some advantages that people on Martin Luther King Boulevard. That's the challenge. Do you think he's toned up to that fact? Huh? And you see, his handler had to chime in to jump in. Yes, that was interesting. That was Joe Scarborough for the people who don't know. But do you think Bernie is toned up to that fact? Because they're all about the establishment. Yes. And they knew Biden was going to be their person. I mean, anybody but Bernie. I mean, at that point, I mean, they didn't really want Biden, but I would have to say this.

33:58 The independent black media, the fact that the pro-reparation crowd, those factions took down all of the Democratic candidates. Bernie being the last one. Really? This is what we've seen here. This is what we've seen here. We saw. We played it out in the show with Kamala Harris. Right. How when she stepped on that landmine, boom, gone. Bloomberg, billions of dollars. of dollars, stepped in that landmine. No, that's my favorite. That's my favorite case because, you know, it's whoever has the most money wins, they keep telling us, but it just turns out to not be true.

34:41 You actually can't buy an election. I love that. Yeah, and you can't buy an election. And once their bullet butter biscuit eaters have no effect anymore. They don't have an effect anymore. I mean, you could come out, Al Sharpton, and your Karen Hunters, and all these people can come out and say, you know, do this, do this. And we're like, no. And I'll tell you why, Moe. And I'll tell you why, because I see the shift. I see it happening. I see it during this lockdown. People are moving away from mainstream. They are listening to their YouTube heroes.

35:20 They're listening to their podcasters. They're reading blogs. And yeah, Twitter and social media has a role in this. Not a very positive one. But I think people are turning on to different ideas and they're tuning out from the centralized messaging. Besides the fact that it's tedious, boring, and repetitive, these people are losing credibility left and right. Right. And like I said, without their magic, they're less than the independent media. I'll tell you, I'll tell you, Mr. Mo Fax is more influential in today's political arena than Karen Hunter. You can take it from me. You can take it from me. I mean, it's not much, Mo, but take it.

36:03 It's a start. No, but you know why? Because I told you, if I come up here talking crazy, cancel me. You know, I've said that. They can't say that. They don't have the freedom to say that. Exactly. And we're value for value. So if the people don't like it, don't like it, they won't support it. And we've learned how to do more with less because they've had the thing to lean on, the magic to lean on. What we've had is, you know what? We have to work harder. We have to go. I mean, I don't want to make that about that, but I'm just saying that they don't have proper microphones. I mean, Jesus Christ.

36:46 And if you really know what you're doing, you get people to help you out to buy the microphone. Like we did it. This is perfect. We have unlocked that key. But that's what Corona has been beautiful about is because they couldn't bring the people in their houses to set them up. So now they're just trying to wing it on their own. Yeah. You know, this has been very educational and very telling on who really has the chops and who's supported by the machine. Yes. With that said, let's finish listening to Reverend Al. I don't know that he's tone deaf as much as I don't know that he's articulated his feelings that he's communicated to us.

37:28 Because he really understands this divide. Why did he do so poorly with black Americans? I think that he was not able to articulate to them that he understood the race divide. And I think that him coming out of Convention Friday and other things is him reaching out, trying to get that done because he does understand and lives. It is not just Bernie, it's the women's movement. It's a lot of the other movements where they are progressive on certain issues and not progressive on others and don't understand the black community. In many ways, Joe, you and I disagree politically, but have the same kind of cultural understanding of the church. A lot of them don't have any reference point because it's all intellectual.

38:13 Do you think that's in part because of the South? I mean, you're some of the people who are parents from the South, but also the church understanding the church and what it is. But it's the church's hip-hop culture. A lot of hip-hop is anti-church. I think they just have a cultural divide that they haven't realistically dealt with, which is what speaks to Eddie's question. So, yeah, one thing I will say this: Bernie Sanders was always going to have struggles in South Carolina. And the fact that we're independent, I can say this very next statement that a lot of people can't say.

38:52 Him being Jewish was not helpful. With black Christian, even say South Carolina is very Christian, very black in that primary, not going to be very helpful to his cause. And a lot of people won't say that. I think that's what Reverend Al was hinting around about the church, but he doesn't have that connection. Even though he's been marched in the civil rights movement, and been aware of the civil rights movement all this time, he didn't have that spiritual connection. connection because we even saw this with Obama. Now, there's some belief, but Obama prescribes to a different school of faith than he portrays himself to be, but he even knew.

39:36 What exactly is that? I mean, besides the fact that we suspect he's a Muslim, what is the perceived faith of Barack Obama? Well, from the way he strategically presented it, that he was a churchgoer. And I think that was the whole Reverend Wright thing. That helped him more than hurt him because it was like, oh, he's been going to church all these years. Oh, yeah. Oh, Obama. You know what I'm saying? Forget what was said there, but yeah, he was going to church. Okay. Because we're talking about to the older black crowd. And like I said, South Carolina is a major hurdle if you're running for president, especially as a Democrat, you know, to get over.

40:16 So you have to have that connection with the black church. And I think that was a real struggle with Bernie Sanders. Yeah, but there was, I mean, if we just look back briefly, the push for Joe Biden was all the way through the phony baloney app at the caucuses, you know, which I don't know if the numbers ever did get reported properly. There was all kinds of shenanigans. I mean, it was so obvious Bernie was going through another screw job. I mean, it was just everything you looked at, right down to the reporting. And he said nothing. No. No. Yeah, you're right. You go back and look at it and hide it.

40:58 Nothing at all. No, nothing. It's easy to say, you know what? I'm not going to participate in any more mainstream media. I'm not doing any more interviews. You know, he could get his message out there. He could, you know, sound an alarm to these things that we've spotted. I'm sure his campaign spotted, but he's, no, Joe's a nice guy. It's like, what? He's a nice guy. You're doing pretty good, Bernie there. He's a nice guy. Right. So with that said, we're going to jump on down to 13 here. And will Bernie Sanders struggle with the African-American vote? In the coming days, Senator Bernie Sanders is expected to announce that he is entering the 2020 campaign.

41:43 The Vermont Independent also ran for the presidency in 2016, but failed to beat Hillary Clinton for the Democratic nomination. Throughout the campaign, Sanders struggled to match the support Clinton received from black voters. The New York Times looked into whether Sanders can do better in 2020. The paper writes that the senators, quote, weak track record with black voters, a vital base in the Democratic Party, could be a potential threat to his candidacy. Let's bring in Rashad Robinson. He's the president of Color of Change, a progressive civil rights advocacy group, which has been advising potential presidential candidates. Thanks so much for being here. Thanks for having me. So, you know, can Bernie Sanders do something differently to salvage his chances with African-American voters?

42:28 Oh, now, who was this guy that she brought on? This is a guy from the Color of Change, another activist/slash-talking head. We're going to get to what he has to say, but I want to point out something to people. Barack Obama didn't even have the black establishment media support in 08. He did not have it. Hillary Clinton had it until they realized that Obama was more viable than Hillary, and then they pivoted to her. So this is not racial. This is about establishment control. And we saw that with Joe Biden and Clyburn.

43:09 You know, he caught up his old buddy Clyburn. Hey, I need South Carolina. Yeah, that was the big one. Clyburn's endorsement. I mean, that was, you couldn't get any bigger, I don't think, unless Beyonce had or Oprah. Well, we're going to find out. Beyonce is not what we think she is later on this show. Woo! All right. That's just a tease. But yeah, isn't that amazing that your first black serious candidate for president didn't even have the black establishment medias? Isn't that interesting? Yeah. So it's not about, it's not about race. It's about power. And Hillary slowly slowly slipped from her in 08.

43:53 But yeah, it was about power. So this gentleman for Color Change is going to make some recommendations to Bernie about how he can not struggle with the African-American voters. Of course he can. I mean, I think that since 2016, you've seen a lot of the country move closer to some of the policies that he was putting out that at the time seemed like bold steps that were impossible. impossible. You even have like President Obama embracing Medicaid for all and other folks and many of the candidates running. So absolutely, he can. But, you know, a senator that comes from Vermont, I have family that lives in Vermont who may make up part of the very small black population that lives there.

44:36 The fact of the matter is that he hasn't had to engage black voters, a black constituency, sort of in that muscle needs to be built. It also is going to speak to who he hires, who he brings on his campaign, who's in leadership. All of that will matter as well. Mr. Rashad Robinson is an interesting guy. I guess he came to Hurricane Katrina. I guess, like I said, I'm familiar with Color of Change, but not him personally.

45:15 Yeah. But if you want to educate us, well, he's a 100% activist organizer, or as Wikipedia calls him, an American civil rights leader and nonprofit executive. So yeah, he is running. And that's the thing. After every major event, you have these people crop up and gain notoriety and fame off of these events like Katrina, the Trayvon Martin shooting, the Mike. Listen to this Brown shooting. Yeah, but this group goes beyond that. So yes, of course, they worked very hard on working against or actually helped pull funding from the American Legislative Exchange Council,

46:02 which his group claimed was responsible for Stand Your Ground, which has to do with Trayvon Martin. But they've also persuaded businesses, including MasterCard and PayPal, to stop accepting payments from what they call white nationalist groups. I don't know what that means exactly. Color of Change. Two, we don't like it. Yeah. Yeah. Color of Change is credited with working with Silicon Valley companies, including Airbnb, Google, and Facebook, to improve diversity inside their companies. Okay. Yeah. All right. Now you should probably look at this. And the main takeaway from that clip is it's all about who he hires.

46:43 Yeah, of course. Not his agenda, not his platform, not the planks of his platform, about who he needs the better talking heads. That was his whole suggestion, which basically was him submitting his application. Yeah, it's right there. Here's my resume. And that didn't fall. But Bernie had one problem, one huge glaring problem, and that was even from the 2016 election. With, okay, let's rule out here. The older black folks are going to go with the establishment, right? Because they're familiar with them. Your Clintons, your Obamas, your Biden's by

47:27 association with Obama. So the older black folks are going to go to Biden or whoever the establishment candidate is. So now Bernie has to say, how do I reach everybody else in the black community? He has a segment of millennials that are really strong supporting him. But there's this other segment out here like myself that are saying that's the ADAS or Foundational Blacks, Native Blacks, however you want to, or the people that's just disenchanted with the whole Democratic Party. So now he had to figure out how do I get them on board.

48:08 Well, in 2015, before the 2016 election, he gave a direct answer on reparations. A lot of African Americans are starting to call for reparations for the many years of stolen labor through slavery. Is that something that you would support as president? No, I don't think so. I mean, I think it would be, first of all, it's likelihood of getting through a Congress is nil. Second of all, I think it would be, you know, very divisive. I think the real issue is when we look at the poverty rate among the African-American community, when we look at the high unemployment rate within the African-American community, the incarceration rate within the African-American community, we have a lot of work to do.

48:49 So I think what we should be talking about is making massive investments in rebuilding our cities, in creating millions of decent paying jobs, in making public colleges and universities tuition-free, and working on childcare. Basically, targeting our federal resources to the areas that it is needed the most and where it is needed the most are in impoverished communities, often African-American Latino. Well, well, well, reparations is divisive. Yes. How do you like that? Now, DACA's not divisive. I mean, oh, no. Reparations, and notice how you said it, too. It was a hard, flat no.

49:33 Like, oil. Now, he's the revolutionary, right? I mean, he's supposed to be on the far left of things. Free, I mean, saying free Medicare for all and almost open borders and all these things are open borders. I mean, I don't want to put that on him, but I mean, almost, you know, 99% open borders. But then when we talk about reparations, oh, no, that's divisive. That's very divisive. How could I ever get that through Congress? Yes, because we don't want other color people of color getting all pissed off. That won't work. Isn't that amazing? When we start asking for something, we worry about how everybody else is supposed to get pissed off.

50:16 But when you say DACA, not a problem. No, not a problem. Yeah, or mass immigration, yo, that's not a problem. Wish those people come here to compete with us, the so-called black community or quote-unquote black community, directly for the lower-level jobs. That's not divisive. But when we start asking for something, that's divisive. And this is as an aside, I was curious, so I did look up Color of Change. They are not their own foundation. They are completely just a project, essentially, of Act Blue.

50:58 So this is basically the Democrat Party. That's who Act Blue is. So when you give to them, you're not giving to Rashad or his group. You're giving to the DNC indirectly through Act Blue. So it's just another party setup. Sorry, we can go back. No, it irritates me when I see these people. You know, where are you from? What's your deal? So now we know. And that's good because I love when you track down the money like that because you even did it with a Black Lives Matter. I mean, just since we're going to just take this quick aside, you did it with a Black Lives Matter front that the money was actually going to a Chinese organization.

51:41 All right, I forgot about that. So it's like, how does that work? Well, in hindsight, we understand it fully now how that works. Oh, yeah, now we get it. Now we get it. But this is why I use reparations or asking for tangibles as the litmus test. Like with anybody else, the far left, they use the $15 hour minimum wage or the Medicare for all as a litmus test for their politicians. If you can't get aboard with that, then it's like, you know, you're not real. You don't really mean what you say. So that's how we are for the pro-immigration crowd. Theirs is open borders or taking down

52:25 what is ICE. You know, we need to get rid of ICE. Right. So the black community needs to say, where's the tangibles? And we measure people by that, by their reaction to that. Yeah. And if you're not even like with Bernie Sanders, if you're not even willing to entertain it, then no, you can't have our vote if you're not willing to put something on the table. With that said, Tana Hesi Coates, who is a major proponent for reparations, picked up on the same thing I did. And this is still back in 2016 election. We haven't got to 2020 yet. But let's listen to Tana Hesi Coates on Bernie Sanders.

53:05 I spoke with Tamahazi Coates, national correspondent of the Atlantic, and author of the award-winning book Between the World and Me, and I asked him why he felt moved to write the Sanders piece. Well, I simply didn't understand his answer. I mean, to be blunt, the senator, you know, whose campaign I respect, who I respect, who I've considered very, very courageous, who some people in my household that are a lot younger than me actually support and have been very vocal about supporting, I think has inspired quite a number of people with his willingness to put solutions on the table that a lot of folks consider outside of the politically doable. And so then to see him dismiss reparations simply because

53:45 it is not politically doable in his opinion, it just felt completely off. It felt out of tune with the entire spirit of his campaign. He mentioned that the chances for getting reparations through Congress are nil. In fact, the senator advocates several things whose chances in Congress are also nil. Well, that's kind of a, I guess Bernie gave up. Not going Not to be. going to happen. Can't do it. Or if you're going to take just my narrative, just my theory, if you control opposition, it's like, Bernie, whatever you do, don't entertain reparations. X Nee on the Eparations Ray. Right, because if he entertains that

54:29 he's seen as the radical, then you might pick up steam behind him. We're still in 16 here. We're not even in 20. I'm liking this. I'm liking this theory. This is a good one. This is a good one. So Chris Hayes is going to chime in. He's going to play devil's advocate against Tawny Heasti. But isn't I going to just basically adopt a pose of devil's advocate for the moment since we don't have the Sanders people here and they never responded, right? So, I mean, one thing I would say is the elephant in the room here, obviously, is that the Democratic Party right now is a multiracial coalition, but it's a multiracial coalition that is capable of snapping in the sense that a calculation is made that reparations would essentially be so

55:19 anathema to a considerable number of Democratic white voters, particularly Democratic, white, and Latino voters, I think non-black voters, that it just would, it would just blow up even what might ultimately end up as a protest candidacy. Okay, so then why not respond and say that? Why not say that? Oh, whoops. Yeah, the black people start asking for something and we just might have the whole party snap. This is a problem. Are you hearing this? Oh, yeah. And we're not talking about the far right here. No. We're talking about Democratic voters of white and Latino persuasion. They just can't swallow black people, get reparations. That would just blow the whole thing up. Everyone will get pissed off.

56:03 This is what Chris Hayes said. There'll be some King Kung Fu fighting. Right. So my thing is this. Everybody asks me, well, Mo, why are you so hard on the Democrats for? Because we have the most power over them. We will snap your whole little shrade if you don't play along. Wait, do I hear an angry black man on the podcast? You might just hear. I'm just saying, I'm letting people know. I'm not angry. I'm just letting people know that this is why we're doing. We're not. It's not lost on us, the power that we have over the Democratic Party. No. You're going to build Benter. I will or snap. Which one is it? I mean, I'm okay. You could lose 2020, 2024, 2028.

56:44 I mean, till you get your. How does this sound, Democrats? Ivanka Trump as president. Look, the negative vote does not. I couldn't resist. Don Jr., let's lock them all up. And then we can bring her husband back around. It doesn't matter to me because the reason why I say that is if it doesn't matter to you that you know we're owed. Now you can ask any Democratic supporter. And most will say, yeah, you know, slavery was a bad thing. You know, I think we should do something about it. But then you say, okay, what size is that check do you need to write?

57:26 Well, now you're getting a little crazy. We need a committee. We need a committee to look at it and to discuss it. We need a committee to think about writing a check. Not the amount that's going to go in the check, but even writing a check. And that was a beautiful alley there. And I'm going to oop it on home with the Breakfast Club, Bernie Sanders won. Now, why does it seem like this week you've been kind of dodging the reparations question? Senator Harris and Anthony DeWarren have both kind of spoken out and said that they agree with some form of reparations. Well, the question is, what do we, I'm not dodging the question. The question is, what do we mean by reparations?

58:01 I mean, it seems to me a lot of people mean a lot of different things. To my mind, it means that we have to deal with the fact that there is enormous disparity between the black community and the white community. And that issue has got to be addressed. And I've indicated to you some of the ways that I think it should be addressed. Well, I think they mean some type of economic empowerment to the African descendants of slaves. But what does that mean, economic empowerment? I just talked about the fact that I would do my best to change the banking system to make sure that we end racism, that we pay attention to distressed communities, that people get the loans they need to make the investments they need. About free cash payouts. No. If only we had known, we just have to talk to the banks.

58:46 They're responsible for racism. Thank you, Bernie. Now I understand. And I want to say something. Now, we made the jump from the Tanahese Coats. That was 2016. This last clip was in the 2020 round. Okay. And he's still, no. No. It's amazing how sharp his no is when he talks about writing that. check. But also, because most time politicians massage an answer. I was going to say, it shows me that either he completely understands, as you point out, with your theory, that that is a non-starter. And as controlled opposition, he is not to do that, or he's completely oblivious, has no idea what the importance of a number, a payout would be.

59:31 His whole question, what does that mean? You're confused? I don't understand what. Yeah. With any other group of people, if he's talking to the unions, politics boil down to money at the end of the day. Yes, sir. How much money can we secure for ourselves? Now, when it comes to black people, he's like, oh, what does that mean? You know, I mean, ain't talking going to be enough? You know, I'm a little animated today. Just a tad. Yeah. You can't be that dumb. You can't be that dumb that you don't know what reparation means. I mean, it's not if you're running as a Democrat and you want the black vote.

1:00:15 You at least waffle. He could have waffled around it. Politicians waffles all the time. Like, well, we have to see the climbing. Right. No, his nose in 2015 and 16 election was hard. No. 2020. Charlamagne the God asks him some direct questions. He plays his dumb role. I don't know. What does that mean? I mean, he would have known long by now that that was not the right answer. Not if you want to win. If you wanted to win, you go back in 2016. Like, how do I come up with an answer for this reparations question? Right. That would be one of your, because if you want to win, I got to get the black vote.

1:01:00 And, you know, even in 16, reparations was picking up scene then, and it's nowhere near like it is now. Are you going to introduce us to the man behind the curtain that's controlling Bernie Sanders, or are you just going to keep me hanging? Well, we had to wait and see, Adam. Okay. Let me put my, make sure the glasses are on. Okay. Yeah, but I will say this. Now, Charlamagne's point of view or why he's asking this question is not coming from a genuine place. Because we know his dog in the fight at this time was Kamala Harris. Right. So it was, let's get Bernie into a corner

1:01:42 that Kamala Harris has already addressed. But it's not lost to me then. But wait, wait, wait. What did Kamala do? I can't recall if she had any reparations plans. Do you? You said, well, H.R. 40. H.R. 40 was just bullet. Right, right, right. That was the let's go hang out and talk about it. Right. And all the Democratic nominees supported H.R. 40 except one. Could you guess who that one is? All of them but one, Bernie Sanders by any chance. Joe Biden, the one that's Joe Biden? No way. How do you like that? It's like any of that pro-reparations talk.

1:02:24 But Bernie Sanders continues on with the Breakfast Club in part two. How much you want to agree with that? Why don't you agree with that? Well, first of all, you mean just a check to every African American? Yes. Well, then it's a check to every Native American. I think the way we go forward is to build America together. There are distressed communities, white communities, there are distressed Latino communities. Right now, what you have is a government owned and controlled by Big Money and Trust who worries about Wall Street and the drug companies. We're going to change that. And we're going to pay attention to the needs of working families and low-income families in this country in a way that you have never seen.

1:03:03 But this government has also systemically oppressed us in a way that they haven't oppressed other communities through slavery, through segregation, now mass incarceration. And I think it should be something done specifically for African Americans. I enjoyed Bernie's initial answer there. Well, how about the Native Americans? Well, Bernie, yeah, but there's a lot of work has been done with the Native Americans. But what's the possibility of that? By the way, be careful what you wish for, Mr. Mo, because you see what Native Americans got. They got their reparations. Now they all got casinos and they're alcoholics. That's a generalization, but.

1:03:48 No, that's true. That's true. But let us deal with that problem. Let us deal with that when we cross that bridge. You know, that's the thing is that he acts like they haven't got. got anything. Or this is thinking, well, what about it? We have to give it to this group. But I didn't hear any of this talk when they start talking about gay reparations or, you know, or when AOC recently came out and said about reparations to people of color, aka colored people. There was none of this pushback then, but it's like when you talk about specifically for black people, no, that can't he's a hard no, and it's they play dumb and they don't understand.

1:04:29 And I call BS because Bernie Sanders has been around the black community, let him tell it, in the civil rights movement since the 60s, correct? Yeah. So he has to be aware of some of the black socialist figures. And this is the part of the show that we always have to go back to get full context of socialism and black people. And with that said, I want to listen to W.E.B. Du Bois speak on socialism and the American Negro. Ladies and gentlemen, socialism and the American Negro.

1:05:07 Democracy has so disappeared in the United States that there are some subjects that cannot even be discussed. The essence of the democratic process is free discussion. There was a time when men were not allowed to talk about universal suffrage or the education of women or freedom for Negro slaves. Today, communism is the dirty word and socialism is suspect. So, socialism is nothing new in the black community, neither is communism. And we're going to have a full show on that at one day.

1:05:47 But that's a big thing to get your arms around just fully. But we're just going to nibble it at the edges today. If you're a student of the black movement, as he says he is, you're aware with W.E.B. Du Bois. Of course. You're aware with how black people have viewed socialism. So all you have to do is, you know, listen to the understanding the forefathers of this movement, the civil rights movement, which was a socialist at best, arguably a communist movement. We've laid that out in previous shows, The Connections. But with that said, let's just listen to W.E.B. Du Bois continue on with Clip 2.

1:06:32 In this state and in our time, occurred one of the worst blows to the democratic process which our nation has suffered. Senator McCarthy succeeded in making America afraid to discuss socialism or to recognize communism as aught but a conspiracy. And this in the state of Robert La Follette, I knew La Follette and his valiant wife. I voted for him for president in 1924. And I saw him give his life fighting monopolized wealth and asking world peace.

1:07:12 My own work at the time was trying to secure freedom and equality for American Negroes. For a quarter of a century, I edited the little monthly magazine, The Crisis. And despite opposition, I spoke plainly. I was criticized as being bitter, seeking not simply political but social equality for Negroes, for favoring the teachings of Karl Marx, and for joining the Socialist Party. These accusations were true. Didn't know that. So when you have Hoover, which is quote-unquote black man, we've covered that too. Not even quote unquote, he's passable.

1:07:58 Right, he's passable. I mean, black by the one-drop criteria. He's a black man. When he comes after these people under the guise of communism, there is some validity there. You see what I'm saying? Absolutely. We can't play this game. I'm just saying, I'm just going to show you that if Bernie Sanders is the socialist and a student of the black civil rights movement, he should know these things. And if he didn't know that, maybe that's a little too out there for him. Maybe he should know about MLK's view on reparations.

1:08:43 At the very same time that America refused to give the Negro any land, through an act of Congress, our government was giving away millions. millions of acres of land in the West and the Midwest, which meant that it was willing to undergird its white peasants from Europe with an economic floor. But not only did they give the land, they built land-grant colleges with government money to teach them how to farm. Not only that, they provided county agents to further their expertise in farming. Not only that, they provided low interest rates in order that they could mechanize their farms.

1:09:28 Not only that, today, many of these people are receiving millions of dollars in federal subsidies not to farm, and they are the very people telling the black man that he ought to lift himself by his own bootstraps. This is what we are faced with. And this is the reality. Now, when we come to Washington and this campaign, we're coming to get our check. You know, that's interesting. You would think that a pure socialist would have understood how to use socialism, certainly with iconic figures like this,

1:10:11 to use that to his advantage with the so-called black community. Yeah, but he didn't. And that's what makes me think about it. I got you. I got you. No, I'm with you. I'm with you. What you're doing here is you're laying out every single reason why Bernie Sanders actually just was not trying to win. And he had all the tools in his tool belt to win. I mean, including socialism, the biggest hammer you got. And included MLK, which is the biggest tool in the black toolbox. I mean, because all he had to say was to the establishment Democrats. Oh,

1:10:54 MLK likes socialism. Yeah, exactly. I mean, he said all you have to do is set him up right first. And people, you could play at home with this with your friends. Like, yeah, you do support MLK right now. Oh, yeah, we love Dr. King. Oh, we love him. You know, he was pro-reparations, right? And then just watch your mouth fall open. Just try it and see how it works out. Yeah, it's the Mo Facts with Adam Curry at home game. Have fun with it. And let us know how it works out. How'd that work out?

1:11:32 All right. So, and one of the giants on the, and this is more far-left communist icons, was one, Mr. Paul Robeson. Now, just a little background on Paul Robeson before we get into the clip. He is a, and I should know this by heart inside joke. He was a American bass baritone. He was a film actor, recording artist, but he was also known for his political activism, so much so that he got himself in some trouble. His sympathies for the Soviet Union and for communism, his criticism of the United States government and foreign policy caused him to be blacklisted or whiteballed on this show

1:12:26 during the McCarthy era. Right, right. Yeah, so with that said, let's listen to Mr. Paul Robeson speak on the black experience in America. How is it that the American Negro, who for so long has been a second-class citizen in the United States? Still is, I'm sorry. Well, how is it that he's contributed so much to American culture? Well, music, dance, everything you can think of. Well, but to come back to it, so I would say the Africans and the American Negroes have turned out to be an extraordinarily gifted people. The great tragedy is that by not making us full-class citizens as yet in America, they may be losing, I don't know how much yet.

1:13:09 And to come back, I would say that unquestionably, I am an American, born there. My father slaved there. Upon the backs of my people was developed the primary wealth of America, the primary wealth. You have to have accumulated wealth to start, you know, to build. You did it another way here in Australia. You had to build your accumulated wealth too. You just came and took it. You know what I mean? And that's what they did in most of the countries. That's what you Europeans did. You just took it. We got to catch up with you a little bit. So in America. So there's a lot of America that belongs to me yet. You understand? Wow, this is really an interesting guy you've introduced me to, Mo.

1:13:47 I don't think I was familiar with Paul Robeson. Robeson. Oh, very interesting. Uh, and he was an NFL player as well as an actor and an activist. He spoke multiple languages, yeah. He spoke multiple languages, including Swahili. Holy crap, interesting. With saying that, Bernie Sanders, he has to be on Bernie Sanders' radar. I mean, he was an out-and-out communist and like hardcore. So, if you're a student of what your so-called beliefs are, socialism, and that line blurs with communism at some point, it's not clear where one begins and one ends.

1:14:30 You should be aware with Paul Robeson and the things that he described in this clip here. Let me say this for the new listeners: reparations is not a handout, it is not a handout. It is money paid for services rendered. If you espouse, I mean, if you believe in the African-American slavery narrative, a reason why I say narrative, because we talked about before how that's been played up as well as a mind control mechanism, but just the facts of you had people working without being paid, that

1:15:12 helped America get off to a great start. And that's what Paul Robeson laid out there with free labor. So, with that said, why does he keep saying a hard no if you're truly a socialist? I can't. There's only one again, it comes back to he didn't want to win, and all you have to do to not win is not satisfy the so-called black voting bloc. That's all you need to do. In fact, that's probably why a Democrat will not win at all from the likes of it. And only because I've been doing the show with you, do I think that? Because you're in the middle of it.

1:15:53 Yeah, because we know the numbers, like I said, just run the numbers down to people. In 2012, they had 63% voter turnout, and they won. It dropped down to 57, and 2016, they lost. And I think if I was a betting man, I would say it's going to come in around 50 or below. Wow. And this one. Because people are one, the boogeyman is not as bad as they said he was going to be. Two, people are disenchanted. Three, I'm going to say this: these Trump stimulus checks are coming at the right time. Yeah. That's going to play a major role as well. Yeah.

1:16:35 This does, this does, uh, this does help. That's not only with the black, I mean, with the black community, because when you give people $1,200, you know, yes, attention is paid. And from what I understand, if it's really true, there's no denial that on the physical checks for a lot of the unbanked, and a lot of poor people have no bank, they'll get a check that actually says coronavirus stimulus, and it'll have the president's name on it. Just to remind you where the money came from, people. Just so you know, that's that guy, that guy. A little branding, a little branding you want to vote for.

1:17:17 Smart. Yeah. Which that's how politics works. It's not emotional. I keep saying it's transactional. Yeah. Now, one thing that wasn't lost. Say that again. Make sure people hear what you just said about politics. Yeah, it's not emotional. It's transactional. Boom. That's it. That's what people got to remember. That's all it is. And that's why I can laugh about these things and not be caught up by the propaganda because I look at it with what I stand again. If it doesn't make sense, you know what I'm saying? What do they say? If it don't make dollars, it don't make sense. That's right. That's where we're at. But one thing that wasn't lost on Bernie Sanders is him employing celebrities himself to help him with this charade of a campaign.

1:18:06 Yeah, the so-called surrogates who go out and also do interviews and promote his message. Right. And one of those being Mr. Killer Mike. And he's a rapper. He's from the South, which I think that was a smart move. If you're trying to make it look good. But let's just listen to Killer Mike support Bernie Sanders on CNN. I think that like the America that dared to stop being colonies and become a country, we need to do the most radical and progressive calls that we can. We need to be radical and progressive in our policy. And we need to not trust. in this moment fear. We need to not trust saying let's play it safe.

1:18:50 I think we need to play the radical idea that formed America. We need to do that right now and push radical policy. I think that universal health care is doable. I think that wiping away student loans so the next 20 years of students' lives can be invested in making a better America, not just paying back debt, is good. I think trade school is good. I think ending the school to prison pipeline is good. And we have to think that radically in order to come to the solutions that we need as a country to progress. So it explains a lot why you are backing the candidate who is, you know, the revolutionist of sorts and he's talked about a political revolution. What was missing from that list of radical ideas?

1:19:34 We're going to get rid of universal health care check. Yep. Student loan debt. Yep, check. Check. Got that. Trade schools check. And as Killer Mike said, he said that we need, now is not the time for fear. No. Now it's time. You know, we have an even CNN lady was, oh, he's a revolutionist. That's the best part. This was an interview from this round from the 2020s. No, he's been with him for 2016. Oh, I didn't even know that. Oh, wow. Yes, he's been with him for 2006. This is from the first round of things. And you would think that if you're his go-to black

1:20:16 confidant or a surrogate, you would say, hey, Bernie, hey, you got to get a better answer than no on reparations. Waffle a bit, man. Bake some pancakes. Yeah. But what the beauty of it was, Mr. Killer Mike sat down and talked to Tone Talks from the ADOS. Let me make this clear: from the ADOS group, not the ADOS lineage. And we have to draw that when we talk about ADOS. We have to make sure we separate the two. Ados, the human beings, versus ADOS, the political movement. Right, because the political movement even did some funny business with the down ballot thing.

1:21:00 And like I said, if we're going to apply this litmus test, then no tangibles, no vote, they stepped online and got out of pocket. But this is before they got out of pocket. This is, I think, right before HR-40 hearing kicked off. Tone Talks and Killer Mike sit down and talk about the 2020 election. Well, this is part of, I think, what's going on. And this is my pushback to H.R. 40. When you actually read the bill, I believe that it's very basic and bland to be so, have been here so long. I think that if it doesn't have an apology and a range of at least we know it's going to be multiple trillions of dollars. Right now, my problem with whether it be Sanders, Harris, whoever, I believe that they're supporting HR-40 to avoid reparations, not to support it.

1:21:44 That's my. My thing is, I just think that I think without it, this country, like, I just know this country, you know what I mean? I think without it, and my thing is, it doesn't have to go as, you know, you can amend it. You can beef it up. You could make it better. You could take the meat of it and add some add some seasoning. I just think without it, nothing ever happens. That's bull crap. HR 40, you can't add some sauce to it. Oh, just amend it. No. That was, and I put HR 40 in the show notes. If you go to archive.mofacts.com, you can find all our show notes. That's the horse crap. Just amend it. No, the whole thing. Let me give a little context to that. Now, we heard Bernie Sanders say in 2016 and 2020, no

1:22:30 on giving checks. Right? Right. But when HR 40 came around, he signed on to it. And that was the conversation on should we issue checks or not. Not if what the size of the check needs to be or how the check is going to be spent, but it was whether we should have it or not. And he was using that as political shelter because he could easily slide up on the HR 40 and be like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm for reparations now. Even though you said twice out of your mouth on platforms, even while being prodded, no, no, he keeps saying no. This is where Killer Mike is disingenuous.

1:23:15 Yeah, I was just going to read the HR 40, just read the preamble so you know what this actually was about. So I'll read the legalese, but it's English. To address the fundamental injustice, cruelty, brutality, and inhumanity of slavery in the United States and the 13 American colonies between 1619 and 1865. and to establish a commission to study and consider a national apology and proposal for reparations for the institution of slavery, its subsequent de jure and de facto racial and economic discrimination against African Americans and the impact of these forces on living African Americans

1:24:00 to make recommendations to the Congress on appropriate remedies and for other purposes. Did anything ever come out of this? Did this thing pass, by the way? No. A bunch of blah, blah, blah, right? It never passed. We just had a lot of talk about it. It never even got out of the committee, really. A lot of talk, but now look at that in the light of the four, was it $2 trillion they just caught over? Coughed up for the 2.2. Yeah, forever. Yeah, 2.2. I didn't see a panel being called for that. I didn't see, you know, we need to sit down and look at, you know,

1:24:42 see the test. We need to test to see, you know, how. No, they just went in there, they wrote the check, and then it was done. Here's what I will say about this: the way this was done, and I think we all understand that, you know, getting pandemic stimulus money, maybe not the best time to say, and oh, by the way, let's cut a check for reparations. However, the mechanism by which it was done through this new immunized money, which is a way of, as I understand it, creating money that doesn't, that is not inflationary.

1:25:20 So it doesn't inflate our money supply. And by the way, if you believe that, I got some great swampland in Florida, but let's just leave it to the bankers. They figured out how to make it not inflationary. It's been explained to me by the same bankers who do this stuff. So cutting another trillion-dollar check will, in effect, be very easy. Very, very easy. So if the political will is there, it's really not a problem to do it. So that's, and that's part of the battle because we now have seen the mechanism. We know how it's done. We know how to do more of it. We'll certainly be doing more of it for the country as a whole moving forward, no doubt about it.

1:26:01 But that's what's cool about it. Immunized money. You could create a trillion-dollar check. It's probably not enough, but a trillion-dollar reparations check if you want. It's symbolic. It's symbolic. Like I always said, that the trillion-dollar number is more symbolic because it's like when you throw a trillion on something, it shows your seriousness behind it. So what this does is it shows the ease that you can get a trillion-dollar bill. Like you said, you can create money out of thin air if you really want to create it. Oh, yeah. So now they can't double back around and give us this bullcrap of, you know, this is just so hard. No, that part is now gone. That excuse is not going to work. And this is similar.

1:26:43 I keep saying to Obama when he got into office. Now it's like, we got our guy in there. Yeah. Why are we not seeing movement? Now it's a similar case. We've seen you cough up $2 trillion over a week's conversation. Not weak as in EA, but EE over a week's time. So it's like, yeah, y'all talked for a week and came back with $2.2 trillion like it wasn't nothing. So now we don't want to hear this anymore. But before we get into any more money talk, I think this would be a good time to thank the people that keep us going, Adam.

1:40:55 She came out and embraced him, and he reciprocated with entertaining her conversation. But on one of the podcasts that I listened to, Talib Kwali had Philip Agnew on his show. And just a little background on Philip Agnew. He is from the Dream Defenders. And the Dream Defenders is American activist group aimed at ending police and prisons, ending police and prisons. I don't know how that works, ending prisons, but as a part of their policy is geared towards people of color, aka color people, who share the goal of multiracial organizing, among other goals.

1:41:41 They espouse the end of prison to school pipeline, et cetera, et cetera. So just to give you an idea, one is a rapper and another is the activist in this conversation. The rapper is going to do the majority of the talking. And God, over this next three clips, is letting people know this is actually a question, a three-minute question. But let's get into number 28, Talib and Philip Agnew. No doubt. But here's the thing. So one more brain thing. Bernie Sanders went on a morning show program in the top of 2019. And they asked him about reparations. And he was like, well, what does that really mean? What are we really talking about?

1:42:24 And in my opinion, in the opinion of a lot of people who have been pro-reparation for a long time, he flubbed that one. And that was an answer that just he could have did better at. And I personally feel like he should have been more informed about that situation. Since then, he has become a co-sponsor on HR-40. HR-40 is a pro-reparations bill. There's a movement called ADOS that's been very critical of the HR-40 bill. I have famously been very critical of ADOS. I'm not a fan. I feel like they're an anti-immigrant, anti-black hate cult that's working for the GOP. But, you know, I don't want to get into that with you. ADOS is an anti-immigrant, anti-black hate group. Yes.

1:43:06 And we heard those talking points from the ADOS versus Foundational Blacks show we had. Now, just a little clarity. Me and Mr. Talib have had words via Twitter. via Twitter. So I'm just one of for just to let everybody know that now he has been very dismissive and negative towards the ADOS. All things ADOS. I don't think ADOS because he didn't make the distinction between the political group and the political group as I do.

1:43:48 But he also said ADOS, which just pisses me off. Right. Because he knows it's ADOS. He knows it's ADOS. He had to say that like that. I think it was a little weird. Very dismissive. And his brother has been spotted in congressional hearings working with one, Miss Kamala Harris. So that. And then on my YouTube platform, I did another show. I mean, I did an independent show on him and how he was at one time a non-voter. But Obama invites him to a gala at the White House and he signs a picture for his grandma.

1:44:33 And now he's this huge Obama. May I point out one more thing? And this is part of the MoFax with Adam Curry play along at home game. So I went to DreamDefenders.org. And the way you find out where the money's coming from is you just hit the donate button and you hit the donate button and they have to tell you, they have to disclaim somewhere at the bottom in the fine print who the money is going to. I'll give you one guess where the Dream Defenders money is going to. Act Blue? Yes. Another 100% Democrat National Committee funded outfit.

1:45:15 This is great. And then they're not bashful about it either. That's very interesting. Two people offering support or advice to Bernie Sanders being funneled back to Act Blue. That's why I love doing the show, Jack. I don't want to, to be honest with you. Because no stone is left unturned. We come from two different wheelhouses, but we'll get the full picture when we're saying when we come together. But yeah, so you can hear his very dismissive tone. He even wrote a piece, and I don't want to give any light to the piece, but the title of it was ADOS is Trash. So that just lets you know where he's coming from. But let's listen to this three-minute question that he asked,

1:46:01 part two. But since you're a Bernie guy, Bernie is one of their main targets. And from what the research I've done with ADOS is on their website, ados101.com, they supported HR-40. It said HR-40 must be passed. It was part of their black agenda. Yes. And when Democrats rallied behind HR-40 following the lead of Corey Booker, Corey Booker took up that torch. And he latched on to HR-40, became a co-sponsor. Kamala Harris, which people have problems with, Elizabeth Warren, the Peter Property, Tammy Duckworth, Bernie Sanders, basically all the top Democrats running, except for Joe Biden became co-sponsors of HR-40.

1:46:46 The moment that happened, the founders of ADOS started speaking bad against HR-40. I'm of the opinion that they started speaking bad against HR-40 because they work for the GOP and they couldn't be seen agreeing with Democrats on anything. Wow, that's crazy. And the question goes on. But hold on a second. So he's talking about people who had signed on to support HR-40. And maybe I'm confused, but it sounds like there were politicians, senators. We had a number of them running who would all sign this. Oh, yeah, and I support this.

1:47:26 You can put that in the bill who was co-signing or co-sponsoring it. Joe Biden has no political standing. So I don't know if they, where would he sign up? You know what I'm saying? Right. So I'm not, but he could offer his support for it. But what happened here is this. People are intelligent enough to know when things are being used for political coverage. And that's what this HR-40 thing was. It was the silver bullet to the reparations problem. Like, okay, okay, you twisted my arm. I'll sign on the HR-40. And people were supposed to stop asking questions.

1:48:03 Now, I have to give credit to ADOS, the political group, because they sniffed this out. And it's true that they were in support of HR-40 before it became popular. But the Democratic. Democratic Party realized that, hey, you know what? We could use this HR-40 thing as, you know, we really don't have to do anything with it, as you pointed out yourself. It never really got anywhere. But if we sign on to it, it looked good. They look good. Yes. And you know what? This reminds me of. You remember when the Republicans used to be the ones that used to have to sign pledges of allegiance? We've done a complete flip now. And now it's the Democrats signing these allegiance

1:48:47 to certain causes. But this was dead in the water. And like Tone Talks pointed out before that, and that's what Killer Mike kind of got taken aback by that these Democrats are using this as coverage. Everybody could see this. You know, I mean, the people they invited there was not even serious to the panel. It was like, who are these people that you're inviting? Even though you told me it wasn't important, I still had to look at Talib's article that he wrote. Right. Which is why ADOS is trash, receipts attached.

1:49:30 And I think the key line is here: the ADOS position is that we should not, for those who are new to the show, ADOS American Descendants of Slavery. The ADOS position is that we should not vote for any Democrats unless they promise to support reparations. But ADOS doesn't hold the GOP to the same standard. And we seen it about Tanahese. Yeah. But is that Tanahese Coates clip? We have the most leverage over the Democrats. I mean, what are we going to say? Yeah, we're not going to give you a vote that we weren't going to give you anyway. Republicans are going, all right, bro, thanks.

1:50:10 Yeah, we knew that. And then it goes to show you that he's completely full of crap because as we've seen as things played out, Ados came back with this sleight of hand trick of voting down ballot, which nobody actually votes down ballot. You vote straight ticket, which would have been a vote for the Democrats anyway. So everybody's been exposed. Like the litmus test is tangibles. Right. And you see him, oh, they're asking Democrats for tangibles. I mean, that's a problem. How is that a problem? And he claims to be pro-reparations. That's the crazy thing.

1:50:52 He claims to be pro-reparations and Dream Defenders or whatever it's called. Yeah, Dream Defenders claim to be pro-reparations as well. But it's like when you start holding people's feet to the fire, oh, you can't do that. You're being a little too rough. But let's continue on with the three-minute question for Tyler Kuali with part three. I like the fact that Bernie Sanders is fluid enough because he also was on a tape in 2015 actually speaking against reparations. He has changed his position. He has gotten more information. Right. You know, and he has spoken out. He has spoken. He is a co-sponsor of HR-40. What do you have to say about people who say that HR-40 is just a study and has no teeth?

1:51:35 And because AEOS, the people who are sympathetic to their cause, say that the Democrats don't really support reparations because HR-40 is a Dodge is what they're calling it. Hello, can you read? It is a Dodge. I don't understand how he doesn't get this. That's interesting. And he even mentioned in 2015 and in the 2019 question that was posed to Bernie Sanders, and he said no to both. So where was the evolution of his viewpoint of reparations? Doesn't seem to be there. We heard it for ourselves. He said no in 2015.

1:52:18 Hard no. Then he came back in 2019, Charlemagne, you know, kind of try to coax him again and ask him about check payouts. No, with no explanation. So where's this evolution or evolving of Bernie Sanders on the reparations topic that Kwali Talil Kwali spoke of? It's complete. He's an agent of change, Mo. He's out there to change your mind. Well, he knows the talking points. I mean, but he was fully exposed, but I mean, we can continue. I mean, we want to have to continue on that. But you see, and then I just want to reference some kind of things that Mr.

1:53:00 Stopstops are these guys. So we have Talib, we have. have Killer Mike. Who else do we have? Cardi B. Well, Cardi B, I know. Are you doing rappers or what? Well, no, I'm doing people who have these fronts, who have these so-called, you know, like dream defenders. And what was the other one we looked at? What was the other organization? Color change. Color of change. Is this not, and maybe this is wrong for me to bring up, but is this not the definition of House Negroes?

1:53:39 Is that not what these people are when you see that they're 100% tools of the Democratic plantation? Well, see, that's what they're playing on. And we're just going to get into the House Negro, Field Negro spectrum. They mask themselves as Field Negroes that we're out here with the common people, right? I mean, that's and that's their analogy to that. You have the people inside the room as Seth self-admittedly Roland Martin. We got to get inside the house. If we can get inside the house, we can talk to Master.

1:54:17 Master, man, crazy. Right. Whereas Talil Kwali, and I'm going to get killed for this, but I don't give a rat's ass anyway. But you have Talil Kwali and these other people that run up to the porch and get their talking points from Master. It's like, okay. And then they tell him, it's like, yeah, go tell them I'm doing this and I'm doing that. You know, make it look good. And they come out to the field like, oh, we're going to take Master House over. You know what I'm saying? And then, bro, we see the plate of food is being left on the porch for you. I'm sorry. Cracks me up. Yes, you're going to get killed for it, but thank you. That was fantastic.

1:55:00 Because you know what? At the end of the day, I don't play those games. And you're not going to play those games on me. And you're not going to play those games on the people that only watch five minutes of news where these people are rolled out for a segment on MSNBC or whatever to give talking points because that's what they do. And the Democrats understand this. And they're like, okay, we need factions in both the house and the field. And it's, you know, give us what we're owed. You know what I'm saying? We don't want, you know, we don't want better working hours in the field. Like, we want to be free. Yeah. But I digress. I'm sorry about that. No, that's good.

1:55:44 Thank you. I love hearing it. All right. With that. Now, Cardi B, let's get back to Cardi. Yeah. So, okay. So, Cardi B, Bernie Sanders, and Joe Biden. Since Bernie dropped out, now we're at the point now where at the beginning of the show, he's dropped out now. So we went all the way around the block to give you the full picture of how he got to the point of dropping out. Bernie Sanders and Cardi B talk Biden. Former presidential candidate grilled by a famous rapper. Exactly. This is really cool. So Senator Bernie Sanders teamed up with guess who?

1:56:22 Cardi B for a live Instagram interview. The outspoken supporter of Sanders had a Instagram live yesterday. And she sat down with Bernie Sanders and had some really interesting things to say about why Senator Sanders suspended his campaign. And more importantly, she talked about why now he's backing Joe Biden and so is she. Take a listen to this. So now we have 45 and Joe Biden. And you know, me, since I've been so on you and so focused on you, I haven't really done my research well on Joe Biden. I won't want you to tell my platform why are you endorsing him.

1:57:06 Yeah, Cardi B. Cardi B. Not, by the way, Cardi B, not Ados. Just want everyone to know. No. No. What is she? And it's amazing. I'm getting good at recognizing this. See, now I can do the paperbag test with my eyes now. She's identified. Dominican Spanish. Yeah, okay. Got it. Right. And she's been very said some very inflammatory things about black people as well. So, yeah. Yes. Yes. Yes.

1:57:43 I mean, you can go look it up for yourself. But I mean, we're not going to get into the chatty patty stuff, but just since you brought that up, it was that very questionable, but you have to ask yourself. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. I got to stop you. I'm sorry. I know you're on a roll. Did you say chatty patty? Yes. Interesting. We say we say chatty. Kathy. We say Chatty Kathy. Who's Chatty Patty? Who's Chatty Kathy? I got to ask Tina. That's her. I learned that from her. She's like, Chatty Kathy. And now I'm hearing Chatty Patty. Yeah. I think it's the same. They're probably cousins or sisters. They're related somehow. All right. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to hang you up there. Yeah, just to talk, just to talk, just to talk. I mean, like, you know,

1:58:28 that kind of thing. But why is a serious presidential candidate having a serious conversation with a rapper and an uninformed rapper by her own words? I don't know that much about Joe Biden. So what is your endorsement? How does that carry weight? Yeah, it doesn't. And then it's on mainstream media. It's the well, it's what the Democrat Party elite believe is important. You know, they, how important was it to have Jay-Z and Beyonce and endorsing Hillary? I mean, it's they, in fact, it's probably one of the most racist things I've ever seen.

1:59:11 Let's just get some, let's just get some random dark-skinned colored person to endorse me because the other dark-skinned people will like that. It's racist. It's black divation, is what it is. Black divation. I'm sorry. It's a better word. Black divation. Yes. It's black. We're going to get black people out here to stir up the other black people. And you know how they love that Cardi B. You know, they love that rap music. So, I mean, this is the conversation that goes on in the back in the rooms, right? It's like, who can we get? I could probably get Cardi B. She's easy. Right. Okay. Let's go get Cardi. And okay, Bernie, you're going to talk to Cardi.

1:59:50 And then, you know, and now Bernie's out of it. Now, Cardi has to be leveraged to bring the Bernie supporters in. But let's let's let Bernie Sanders ask the question that was answered the question that was asked to him about his supporters. Donald Trump is, to my mind, the most dangerous president in the modern history of America. What I am also trying to do right now, Cardi, is to work with Joe to see that he becomes a more progressive candidate. So, Gail, this is really important because a lot of people were worried that some of Senator Sanders' supporters would not back Joe Biden.

2:00:34 Well, somebody like Cardi B says she is. Listen, Vlad, I think Cardi B and Bernie Sanders are a show waiting to happen. The two of them clearly have a rapport. Was that Gail? It sounded like Gail. Yeah, that was Gail. And it's a show waiting to happen. It's the show is already on. What are you talking about? I mean, this is all for entertainment. It's so pathetic. Cardi B, very entertaining, super entertaining to watch. Comes across as being pretty stupid. And I don't know who she represents other than 15-year-old white girls. Well, it's interesting that you asked that question who she represents.

2:01:15 Miss Karen Hunter will answer that question for you. I never thought I would be saying these words. I think I really appreciate Cardi B. Never thought that would cut it out of my mouth. I think I really do for a lot of reasons. And let me just say, as somebody that, you know, as Larie talks about ancestors, I have such a profound respect for my elders. I have such a profound respect for people who have been here before me, who know more things than I do. But I'm now wildly aware that we are in a generation where you don't, you become an influencer or you can influence people without having too much knowledge, wisdom, understanding, and yet you're in that seat.

2:02:00 And I cannot discount that you have the ability to reach people. By any means necessary is one of my heroes' famous phrases, by any means necessary. And I think we're in that by any means necessary bubble. So, Cardi B, let me say thank you for being engaged, for being as ratchet as you are to reach the ratchet among us who they hear your voice. When you open your mouth, I believe people are going to vote because Cardi B said so. Yeah, that's right. Cardi B said so. That's it. Boy, the ratchet. Boy, got to get the ratchets out in the streets.

2:02:41 She actually used that word ratchet. And ratchet is a sentiment, uh, synonym for ghetto. Uh-huh. Oh, right. So she basically said, yeah, Cardi B speaks to the ghetto people. And, you know, even though she's not that bright, let me just the ratchet. I'm sorry. This is. Yeah, please do. Please do. She said, even though Cardi B's not that bright, she can go get the other not bright people, aka Ratchet, ghetto, low-class black people to go out there and vote Democratically. And you know what? Like Malcolm X says, by any means necessary, that's right. She had a nerve. That's quite a nerve there to compare that.

2:03:25 Cardi B. Another tale. She couldn't even say his name in the clip. That's why she said my hero. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, she couldn't bring herself to bring that name up in this shenanigans. Seriously, Cardi B, you're leveraging your integrity, Miss Hunter. Yeah. Which I have. Cardi B. Cardi B is going to be. Well, we got to leverage the idiot, even though we know she's an idiot. These are not my words. I looked up Ratchet. Uh-huh. R-A-T-C-H-E-T in the Urban Dictionary.

2:04:06 I would like to attempt this. I will do a white man reading of the explanation. Ratchet, a ghetto dialect mispronunciation of the English term wretched. Example: old girl with her hoochie-ass clothes too tight and her tracks shown in her scraggly ass weave with her fake ass Gucci bag thinks she cute she ratchet excellent thanks for the I'm glad you turned me on to this word now I can use this everywhere and that's and this is who Karen Hunter wants to leverage crazy Cardi B to get out and go vote so it's not about being informed no it's not about being enlightened it's not about you know

2:04:50 educating or no we can use her 63 million Instagram followers uh to get that percentage up around back 63 percent you know just a number numerology there is crazy uh but yeah um yeah so that's what they want by any means necessary oh my god pretty brazen right pretty brazen to use that all right uh but let's let miss hunter continue on with her new hero cardi b uh bernie sanders had a town hall and let me say i'm i'm really loving bernie sanders more that he's out of the race because i'm seeing the level stop stop stop

2:05:34 i don't normally do this before she continues on remember number seven yes bernie sanders what was that what was the term she used he he the tolerant black people we know should we listen to number seven again i wouldn't mind to revisit yeah so i want to open up the phones because we have a lot of people yesterday that wanted to talk about bernie sanders bernie people and i need to understand y'all 866801825 because y'all move in a way that feels cultish and i'm gonna say that out loud so call at me whatever

2:06:11 it's i have no agenda i don't like bernie sanders because not because of anything personal i had the opportunity to watch him for four five five years now and what i see is a man that's stuck in a particular ideology i'm not saying he didn't march with king but that was 50 years ago i'm saying racially he's from a he's from a state that has no culture that reminds me of my own and the things that he says are insulting when he talks about black people to me that's my opinion insulting to black people insulting yes from a state that has no culture like my own there's no black no black people up there apparently and and she watched him for four or five years never interviewed him never brought on a platform that you know saying let him you know iron out the differences they have but

2:07:05 yeah so let's go right back into number uh 34 now with their love her love festor bernie uh bernie sanders had a town hall and let me say i'm i'm really loving bernie sanders more that he's out of the race because i'm seeing the level of maturity that i would expect from somebody in his position and i'm seeing it play out now is that good enough for folk who supported bernie sanders is that good enough for you uh that your candidate is getting behind joe biden in a very powerful way that he's using his platform to push joe biden this and that's how politics works by the way it's a it's a game of compromise it's a game of

2:07:45 engagement it's a game of reaching across aisles and and bridging gaps that's what politics used to be used to be a gentlewoman a gentleman's game game of compromise. 8668-018255. Larie Daniel Favors is here. As Cardi B leverages her 63 million followers on Instagram, 11 million on Twitter. And I'm sure there's a convergence, so I'll give her the top. 63 million people follow Cardi B. She has influence. She may not know a whole lot of everything, may not have a depth of knowledge, but she has influence. And she is voting for Joe Biden. Is that good enough?

2:08:24 It's also very misogynistic in a way. You know, it's also, it's like, you know, she's dumb, but she's cute. She's a cute woman. She got 63 million people who like her dumbness. So good to go. It's so insulting. And I wonder if Cardi B knows it's insulting. She might. She has to. I mean, she has to say you're not there bright, but we're going to use you anyway. You'd be surprised. It's the epitome. It's the epitome of the relationship between black people and the Democratic Party rolled up into one conversation. Wow. Yeah. I got you. And not just a recent one. It's for 50 years.

2:09:10 Let's keep them uninformed and activated or black-divated when we need them. Yep, especially the ones who got lots of followers. There you have it. So cynical. Yeah. But she doesn't have. I have no agendas, what the lady said. That's the best part. But you got to stop listening to this woman, Mo. She's going to drive you crazy. Actually, she's not because I love to. If you, no other place are you going to hear her two statements played in short, such short proximity of each other to point out how full of BS she is.

2:09:54 And like I said. And representative of the media class, really. Right. Well, well, the Boulet, because she's saying the same thing that Roland Martin says. It's about compromise. No, incremental steps. Oh, we need, you know, I also like that. Well, it used to be a gentleman's game and a gentlewoman's game, and it was compromise. You need to read a little bit of history. No, it's never been about that ever. That's the farce. That's the facade. It's about deals, deals in the background. That's how it comes together. And once we realize that, as a people, it's all about deals. We have a commodity called the vote. You want our vote? What's the other end of the deal?

2:10:38 Plain and simple. Until they get that figured out, be prepared to lose. All right. Okay. So now, as you know, I'll always like to leave the show on a positive note. So, Bernie Sanders, he's a little bit miserable right now after dropping out of the race. Hello. Oh, fucking hell. I hate myself. What have I done? I can't believe I just took that. What is wrong with me? I can't help you, Bernie. You didn't have to drop out. You didn't have to endorse Joe Biden.

2:11:20 No, I just put a grocery bag down on my kitchen table. Now I got to resanitize the goddamn thing all over again. Or was the table infected and now I got to sanitize the grocery bag? I can't remember. What did I touch slash? Then where? Jay? That's pretty good. That's a good impersonator. Is that Jimmy Door? Do we want to Jimmy Doer's guys? I don't know who he's impersonating. That's pretty good. He gets it. He gets it for sure. Bernie Sanders does have a plan B to win this nomination. And I think we should hear it. You just revealed my plan B, young man.

2:11:59 Rather than fight it out all the way to the convention like any sensible politician might. I'm counting on Joe getting caught wandering aimlessly in his pajamas in a Delaware shopping mall. That's what a lonely nation will turn its lonely eyes to me for leadership. And there you have it. That's funny. Well, you have convinced me because I never really paid attention to these details. And I think you're right. When you take it in the context of reparations specifically, it's very easy to prove that Bernie was always just a heat-seeking missile that was programmed, run, and control from home base.

2:12:43 I hate to say it. And a lot of people were duped. Well, a lot of young black voters as well. A lot of young black people were duped. and twice it's it's disgusting really and twice twice they have uh used bernie and i always thought they were abusing him but man you're right he's in on it he's in on it he's allowed this to happen geez that's kind of mind-blowing i've not considered it that way i thought the guy was real and now and now i can't see all his moves yeah i mean it makes all the sense but when you come down to the to the brass tags yeah he was he did exactly the opposite of what every democratic politician want democrat politician wants is to get the black vote he alienated it

2:13:32 on purpose no it's like no no reparations no no i don't think so wow okay this is another one for the books my friend that was a good one i like it showing me how bernie sanders is controlled opposition through the the beautiful journey of the black vote it's a great way to do it only took you 36 clips i'm sorry ladies and gentlemen this is a value for value show uh if you found any value in what you learned here what you heard uh we'd love to hear from you please translate that value into some numbers go to mofax.com or directly to our donation page mofundme.com m-o-e-f-u-n-d-m-e.com and uh we'd be

2:14:19 very happy to thank you for that on the next show as our producers of course come from uh the people who listen to it our tribe right here mofax with adam curry mo thank you so much for taking on the journey one more time my friend and as i always say pay attention to everything and the truth will reveal itself and we will reveal ourselves again next saturday rona willing till then take care bye mo all right say let out them when israel was in egypt's land let my people go oppressed so hard they could not stand let my people go

2:15:06 go down in egypt's land tell moses said let my people

2:15:50 go if not i'll smite your first one dead let my people go down in egypt's land tell