Saturday, 28 March 2020

31: BIE BAE

A leaked FBI document creates a new category of domestic terror, linking military veterans and activists to a manufactured movement while reviving 1960s-style surveillance tactics.

By Moe Factz with Adam Curry | 1h 54m listen | 29 chapters
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About this episode

The FBI introduced the Black Identity Extremist designation in a leaked 2017 document, citing the Michael Brown shooting in Ferguson as a catalyst for domestic terror. This classification allowed the Bureau to target activists like Christopher Daniels of Guerrilla Mainframe, using his military background to construct a narrative of organized racial violence. The designation, originating under James Comey, faced intense scrutiny from Representative Karen Bass for essentially declaring open season on young black activists.

Attorney General Jeff Sessions struggled to justify the label during congressional testimony, failing to name specific organizations while citing the Dallas and Baton Rouge ambushes as primary evidence. Former agent Michael German argues these tactics mirror COINTELPRO-era surveillance designed to bypass First Amendment protections. The investigation into Micah Xavier Johnson and Gavin Long reveals a shift from initial reports of multiple snipers to a lone gunman narrative, despite the unprecedented use of a C4-armed robot by the Dallas Police Department to neutralize the suspect.

Malcolm X provides a historical counterpoint through archival clips defending extremism in the pursuit of justice and self-defense. The hosts adopt the moniker Black Podcasting Extremists while analyzing the strange intersection of the sovereign citizen movement and the Targeted Individual subculture. The program concludes with a look at the psychological warfare claims of Aaron Alexis and Fasika Tafara, set against the backdrop of the 2020 pandemic lockdown.


CHAPTER 01 / 29 Discussion

Rona Radio, Pandemic Lockdown and Family Life

Adam Curry and Moe open the episode during the March 2020 COVID-19 pandemic lockdown, announcing the temporary branding of "Rona Radio." They discuss the challenges of working from home and the impact of school closures on Moe's four children. Adam checks the availability of and registers the domain ronaradio.com during the segment.

rona radio· adam curry· moe fax· pandemic· lockdown· domain registration

00:08 Mo Fax with Adam Curry for March 28th, 2020. This is episode number 31. Pandemic 2020 lockdown, Adam and Mo on Rona Radio. Just figuring out a day gig. If we never get back to work, it'll be Adam and Moe every day. Rona Radio. Yes, that's R-O-N-A on your Dow. You know, hold on a second. Before we do even anything, I need to see if that domain name is available. Well, let's just be funny. Hold on, let's see. Check for the domain, Ronaradio.com.

00:52 Available. All right. I am now registering that. All right. We don't know what we'll do with it yet. Hopefully we won't need it, but you never know. Ronaradio.com, everybody. How you doing? How you doing, Moe? R-O-N-A. R-O-N-A. How you doing, Moe? Everything good? I am doing well, sir. How about yourself? Yeah, pretty good. How are the kids? I got to ask, you know, because we don't have any to deal with during this crisis. I know you got four, so they're hanging in? Oh, they're doing well. I think they missed school because my wife is even harder on they get at school. We still let them outside. Yeah. Living life as normal as possible. Yeah.

01:36 So, I mean, everything's going well. Yeah, I was going to say, it's actually kind of handy. You got four kids now. You know, you get four times that 500 bucks. Actually, turn out to be valuable, these kids for once. That's good, man. Congratulations on that. Thank you. Thank you. So to try and keep some normalcy during the lockdown, we're just continuing with our regular schedule with MoFax with Adam Curry. Thank you all for your feedback. I could even see people posting earlier today, like, I need MoFax now. How am I going to get through my Saturday? And I think I like the Saturday day because it gives people something to look forward to to get the weekend started off.

CHAPTER 02 / 29 Discussion

FBI Black Identity Extremist Designation Origins

The discussion shifts to a 2017 leaked FBI document that introduced the term "Black Identity Extremist" (BIE) as a domestic terror threat. The FBI report claimed that the 2014 shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri, served as a catalyst for violence against police officers. The hosts analyze how the term was promoted primarily by Fox News and failed to gain traction in mainstream media.

fbi· black identity extremists· domestic terror· michael brown· ferguson· fox news

02:21 Yeah, something to anticipate. And of course, depending on how many million clips you got, that kind of depends what time the show is posted. So what do we got going on for today, Moe? What's the word? Well, you had to spin the wheel and we could find it. Here we go. All right. Spinning the wheel of clips. The wheel of topics. The wheel of fortune here on MoFax. Let's find out what today's topic will be. Where the wheel stops. Nobody knows. Here we go. The clip that goes. Black identity extremists. What's that? Black identity extremists. Yes. Is this the opposite of white nationalist extremists? I think it's the exact same, but just different groups.

03:03 Oh, okay. All right. So this is a term that cropped up in around 2017 by a leaked FBI document. And so I waited, took my time. It's been on my radar, but until I have time to actually dig into these things, I don't like to address them. So I thought this would be a great time. So this is from your long-term open case, open cases file. This is where you're from the list. From the list. From the list. Got it. All right. Good. Good, good, good.

03:42 So I guess we'll just jump right in with FBI warrants of terror. Black identity extremists, now considered a domestic terror threat by the FBI. The Bureau releasing an explosive new report claiming police officers are being targeted by people who perceive racial injustices. The FBI says the 2014 shooting death of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri spawns the threat against cops. Brown's death also sparking violent riots across the country. Was this a TMZ report? Because it sure sounded like it. Actually, it was a Fox News report. And the music and the jazzness. It was caught my attention, too. I'm glad you picked up on that. Yeah, TMZ Fox.

04:24 No difference. So have you heard of this term? I want to know what you know about it. I don't think I have. Black extremist, black identity extremist. No, it also, it's not a great term. If I'm going to be a terrorist, you know, what's it, you know, I'm a terrorist over my identity. It just, it sounds kind of wimpy. It's BIE. I mean, that was the activity. Yes. It's not quite like it's not quite like Black Panthers, if you know what I mean. BIE, Panthers. Okay. They just don't roll out the tongue. Not really, no.

05:03 But I had not heard of it, as far as I know. So that's interesting. So they tried to push this term, and obviously it didn't make it across the threshold, but it was trending on black Twitter. And I'm just shocked that you didn't show up on your timeline at any time. Maybe it's before you actually start tracking it. Yeah, maybe the algos just took it away from me. You never know. Right. But it was a huge talking point on the pro-black side of things because basically it was similar to what we've seen in the past with groups being targeted and how they create narratives.

05:39 But today's show, we're not going to go too deep into the groups that are being labeled this because there is no clear group or groups being identified as this, but how this term came about. And, you know, I'm all about narrative. I'm all about how they create these terms. And I always like to get into find out what the origin of these things are. And it's also good if we'll find out today why this one failed, or was it stopped? I don't know. I don't know either, but I guess we can get into FBI cites black extremists as terror.

CHAPTER 03 / 29 Discussion

Black Lives Matter and Complicity Narratives

A news report suggests that the Black Lives Matter movement bears responsibility for anti-police sentiment that led to shootings in Dallas and Louisiana. The hosts discuss the potential top-down funding of the movement by George Soros and the FBI's strategy of lumping disparate bad actors under a single "BIE" label. They contrast this with the government's handling of white nationalist groups.

black lives matter· alton sterling· dallas shooting· george soros· fbi· domestic terrorism

06:17 Meanwhile, the FBI warns this. Get this. They warn Americans of a new domestic terror threat, black identity extremists. What's that? Well, it goes back to a lot of these police shootings. When we look at the Alton Sterling shooting in Louisiana, for example, you had a madman that decided in retaliation for that to shoot officers. The same thing held true in Dallas. You had another madman that decided to shoot police officers. Who is a veteran? Right, right, exactly. But when we think about these African-American extremists, this is something that's a byproduct of, I'm going to say, Black Lives Matter and a lot of these other organizations.

06:53 And I don't want to say Black Lives Matter caused it. However, they do have a responsibility to marshal in their following to ensure that, I shouldn't say ensure, but let them know that we are going to protest for peace. And they failed at that. Therefore, they do have a level of complicity. Okay, so I heard a splinter group of Black Lives Matter in that report. Well, what these two brought up is that the Black Lives Matter movement kind of whipped up this anger or frustration with police officers. And then you had a few. I think it's fair to say it was a lot of anger.

07:34 Looking at what we saw in Baltimore, a lot of anger. Correct. A lot of anger, but there was no organization to the anger. Now, how it got started, we've talked about it on the show before that it came top down. We've already laid out the links in previous shows of George Soros and the funding of him to Black Lives Matter, but the violent acts, those were not tied to any specific group. And I think this was the point of this label so they could kind of lump all the bad actors under one title. Right. In order to, okay. Well, that's interesting by itself. Yeah. So maybe it wasn't a group, but they just gave it a name, and that's all these people doing this.

08:19 Well, you saw the same thing with white nationalists and making white groups, terror, making them terrorist groups. And it's the same thing. But I think this just happened prior to it. Just didn't take. And it's funny that I only found clips, like official news clips on the Fox network. I'm not just, I'm not cherry-picking from Fox. It's just that the ones that were communicating as an actual threat were only coming from Fox. Well, that's that, that's the reason why it never got any legs right there. If you try to launch a meme through Fox, it's going to die. It's, you know, anything that comes out of there, the other networks will never pick up. They'll never agree on that.

09:02 But I do like, I find it interesting that someone was out there and needed to name him. Yeah. And when you see something being named like that, I was like, where is this going? Where is this coming from? I've never knew of any particular group that was speaking offensive violence. Now, you have groups that speak of self-defense, but you have that on all spectrums of every race of, you know, if anybody comes at you, you have the right to defend yourself. I mean, that's as American as apple pie, but I never saw like the offensive or going out and attacking people.

CHAPTER 04 / 29 Discussion

Christopher Daniels and Guerrilla Mainframe Investigation

Vice News reports on the arrest of Christopher Daniels, also known as Rakem Balagoon, a former Marine and co-founder of Guerrilla Mainframe. The FBI targeted Daniels for unlawful gun possession, linking him to the Black Identity Extremist movement. The hosts examine the group's activities, which included food drives and weapons training, and question the convenience of his military background for the FBI's narrative.

christopher daniels· rakem balagoon· guerrilla mainframe· vice· fbi· marine corps

09:43 So that's what raised my, raised the flag on this situation. And as you mentioned before, if Fox was trying to push this, then you had the more liberal media. pushing it back against this. Right. And one of those organizations is being Vice. Yes. Or more an advertising agency than anything, but yes. And you're going to see that even be even more true in this next set of clips from Inside the FBI hunt for black identity extremists. In the early morning hours of December 12th, 2017, former Marine and black activist Christopher Daniels, aka Rakem Balagoon, was arrested at his home for unlawful gun possession.

10:27 So what would warrant such a dramatic arrest and a possible jail sentence of 10 years? According to a leaked FBI document, there's a new group of domestic terrorists, black identity extremists. Wow. That was kind of scary. I left that tale on there. Just to set the mood, huh? I left it on there purposely, and I did it on a couple of clips to see the tone of this documentary or expose they did on quote-unquote black identity extremists.

11:10 And what name did this guy have, Christopher Daniels, is what I heard? No, his name was, if you go on the rent, but I didn't catch his name, but more important than his name is him being a former Marine. Yeah. Pay attention, everybody out there, pay attention, make a note of the connection with the military with these extremists. It'll be laid out later, but they, as they've been pointing out, ex-Marine, where is this going? What is this? I've never heard of this guy before. No. As I told, as I said before, that

11:50 I'm aware, I listen to a lot of different points of view on the black experience, correct? Yes. This guy has never registered on my radar. Ever. And all of a sudden, Vice is doing a huge story on him. And, well, I'll let them continue on telling about his story. Rakem was greeted at home by family and members of Guerrilla Mainframe. The black activist group that Rakem co-founded. On their website, Guerrilla Mainframe describes themselves as a community-based political organization. Their activities include food drives, self-defense classes, weapons training,

12:34 and open carry neighborhood patrols. It was these kinds of activities, which are visible across Guerrilla Mainframe and Rakem's social media accounts that Rakem believes made him a target of the FBI. Wow. A lot of suppositions in there. Holy crap. I can't believe it. I have found one story from the intercept. Fear of a black homeland. The strange tale of the FBI's fictional black identity extremism movement. Okay, this is interesting. I bet you came across this as well as you were researching it. Yes, yes, I did. And what I found strange or interesting was the name of his group, Guerrilla Mainframe.

13:15 And he spelled not the animal, but like G-U-E-R-R-I-L-L-A. Now, the definition of guerrilla itself is a person who engages in irregular warfare, especially as a member of the independent unit carrying out harassment and sabotage. Second, and this is from Merriam-Webster. And the second definition is or relating to or suggestive of guerrillas, especially being aggressive, radical, and unconventional. Yeah, it's not great. Guerrilla Warfare. It's not good. I'm talking about why would you name your organization Guerrilla Mainframe?

13:55 Guerrilla Mainframe. I mean, you're putting a big red beacon saying, hey, come investigate me. Kind of. It just doesn't make any sense. Do they have guerrilla mainframe.com too and just register to their home address? They have a website and then they had several YouTube videos, but they were just talking about basically the same thing that the Black Panther was doing, feeding the kids and self-defense. And I didn't really see taking anything away from negative, but it's just all this is just way too convenient. Yeah, I hear you. I hear you.

CHAPTER 05 / 29 Discussion

Michael German on FBI Intelligence Tactics

Former FBI agent Michael German criticizes the Bureau for creating the Black Identity Extremist label to justify surveillance of activists protected by the First Amendment. The hosts discuss the "six-week cycle" theory, where the FBI allegedly manufactures or hypes threats to maintain public relevance and secure budget increases. They argue that the Dallas and Baton Rouge shootings were rolled into a single movement label for administrative convenience.

michael german· brennan center for justice· fbi· first amendment· surveillance· budget cycles

14:32 Ex-military guy. Now he comes home and he's trying to raise a new Black Panther Party or quote-unquote new Black Panther Party. And he's the first arrest under this new Black Identity Extremist label. So. guess we need to figure out why the label. Yes, I'd like to know. There's this perception that the government promotes that we are in a stage of critical emergency because of terrorism. And that's because they get more power. And in order to retain that power, they need to find more terrorists.

15:11 One of the most outspoken critics of the Black Identity Extremist Assessment is Michael German, a former FBI agent who did undercover work on white supremacists and right-wing militias in the 90s. He's now a fellow for the Brennan Center for Justice. What incentive do you believe that the FBI has to make a label like Black Identity Extremist? A person cannot be targeted for investigation based solely on First Amendment activity. So by creating this Black Identity Extremism movement, they can use that as the justification to then target any activist who or any black person who is protesting police violence.

15:52 One of my problems with this kind of intelligence report is these are six disparate acts of violence that they try to mold into a movement. There was really nothing connecting them except the fact that they killed police officers and the fact that they were black. Yeah, this is so typical for the FBI to do these types of things. I'll just give you my gripe up front, my gripe up front, just like just waiting for it. Just recently in the news, the fact it was during the during the right after the president said, hey, everybody should stay home for no more than 10.

16:31 Of course, a lot of cities, even Austin, started to lock down. All of a sudden, after months of using a confidential informant to jack up some guy who lives with his grandmother to get them all freaky and like, oh, yeah, now I want to go kill everybody in the hospital, show this coronavirus is a hoax. And they give him a phony bomb and they give him all the, just get him all jacked up to go. And then they arrest him and the guy was armed. And, you know, so then a shootout occurred. Convenient. The guy's dead. So he can't, this happens a lot. But this is a cycle for the FBI. They do this kind of stuff every six weeks, or they used to do it every six weeks.

17:14 And Neo Agenda Show's theory on this, and this comes from people inside the FBI who suggested as much, is, you know, they got to keep in the public eye. They got to keep the budgets coming, got to stay relevant. And now it seems like, oh, man, what a stretch. We're actually going to create a group name just to lump in a whole bunch of things. And, you know, then with that comes the same opportunity to pop things off at times that are convenient for the FBI or the Department of Justice, wherever it's convenient for. Just like this Missouri bomber, I think what a great moment to terrify the citizens even more.

17:56 They could have waited. And the catalyst for this, really, and it's a little foreshadowing here into the rest of the show, is it was two events. It was several events, but two main events. And that was the shooting in Dallas. Yes. Yes. I think five cops. And then the shooting in Baton Rouge that killed three cops that happened, I think it was like 10 days a month. Yeah, it was a real messy period. All that happened in just the span of a month or so. All that stuff went down. I think it was like July 7th, and the second one was July 17th. Don't quote me on those dates, but I think it was roughly there. So they took these two separate events that had nothing to do with each other and say, oh, we're going to roll them up.

18:41 And that's what the gentleman that just spoke in the last clip was saying. Roll them up into one thing, one label, one label. One label and create a label. And then, like you said, with the stick sweep cycle that I became aware of on the No Agenda Show, that now we have a new brand. Yeah, but these guys mess it up. I don't know what went wrong. Maybe we'll find out. But what a, I would, if I was in the meeting, it's like, all right, I got a great idea, guys. Hey, we'll lump all this together. We'll give it a name. And then we can do stuff with it. We can arrest people, do all kinds of, you know, get money, budgets, create something scary. Yeah, good idea, boss. What are we going to call it?

CHAPTER 06 / 29 Discussion

Media Polarization and BIE Labeling

The hosts speculate that liberal media outlets suppressed the Black Identity Extremist narrative because it discredited Black Lives Matter, while Fox News amplified it for the same reason. They discuss how the "terror group" classification allows the FBI to circumvent standard legal protections and employ invasive surveillance tactics against targeted individuals.

fox news· black lives matter· fbi· domestic terror· surveillance· media narrative

19:27 Black identity extremists. Yeah, that's terrible. That's a terrible. I like gorilla. What was it? A guerrilla mainframe. Guerrilla Mainframe. Now, that's a name. It's like, whoa, yeah, that sounds scary. And the reason why I think. and this is just me speculating, I don't think you heard about this from the left wing of mainstream media is they were so supportive of Black Lives Matter. And this BIE is basically tied, they're trying to tie it to Black Lives Matter. So if the left wing of the media starts pushing this narrative, then they're complicit because they're the one that put the

20:10 battery in the back of Black Lives Matter. So they just like, we're going to suppress this and make it go away. Right. And that would explain why Fox would be interested in hyping the story up because they want to discredit everything the left does, everything the left sponsors, which would be Black Lives Matter. And they've always been anti-Black Lives Matter, so it just fits the brand. So it's like, okay, it's an easy jump to go from Black Lives Matter to BIE. I mean, maybe even the acronym is like an easy jump because if you use the acronym instead of the

20:49 B-L-M-B-I-E. Yeah, yeah. I think they should have done notorious BIE, and then that would have been better than just BIE. It's just me, man. I live for this stuff. Notorious BIE. Just a thought. Just a thought. You, sir, are advertising. So let's get into BIE 4. On August 3rd, 2017, the FBI created the Black Identity Extremist Assessment using the Dallas 2016 shooting and five other unrelated attacks on police as justification that this movement exists. Black Identity Extremists, now considered a domestic terror threat by the FBI.

21:35 According to the FBI assessment, it was very likely that these terrorists would target law enforcement officers in retaliation for perceived police violence against African Americans. Due to the assessment classifying the group as a domestic terror organization, the FBI is able to justify any invasive surveillance tactics used in monitoring these targeted individuals. Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow. Hold on a second. Black identity. I got it. Now I got to find this. Black identity extremists. And it was a terror group classification. Well, that thing is useless then if you can just name it and then say

22:22 and then these groups are relaxed. Oh my god. Here it is. Here it is. BIE, Notorious BIE, was a designation. Hold on a second. I thought it had terror. I thought I saw this somewhere. I don't see an official. I wonder who has to name something official for it to be an official terrorist group. You know what I mean? I'm not sure. I mean, it's on the FBI's list. So, I mean, it's not a far jump to get to get the rights to investigate or to circumvent people's given rights to investigate them.

CHAPTER 07 / 29 Discussion

COINTELPRO History and Malcolm X on Extremism

The segment draws parallels between modern FBI designations and COINTELPRO, the 1960s program that targeted civil rights leaders and activists. A historical clip features Malcolm X defending the concept of "extremism" when used in the quest for justice and self-defense. The hosts argue that government surveillance programs like Operation Mockingbird and MK Ultra never truly ended but merely changed names.

cointelpro· fbi· black panthers· martin luther king· malcolm x· mk ultra

23:06 But I just want to point out one other thing. The mind control music in this. No, it's good. That's vice, man. They're really good at that. They give you a whole documentary feel to it and just pushing you through. You can't even question what's being told. It's good. Well, when this term popped up on people's timelines and when this leaked document started to get legs, there was only one comparison to bring up. And we brought it up in show 15. And this is a throwback clip from there. Secret COINTELPRO. We know the government watches us, but what about when government surveillance changes the course of history?

23:51 In the 1960s, the U.S. government started a program called COINTELPRO or the Counterintelligence Program. The program was a series of secret FBI initiatives targeting activists, political, and minority groups. The American Indian Movement, the Black Panthers, Martin Luther King, women's and civil rights groups, Vietnam War protesters, and anyone who got the government seeing red. Tactics used included infiltration and surveying and discrediting leaders and causes in order to undermine entire movements and organizations. But a lot of what COINTELPRO did was illegal, and it was officially disbanded in 1971.

24:31 Though if you ask many activist groups and political dissidents, it still exists, just in another form. Well, yeah, of course. course. It's just like, yes, Operation Mockingbird also ended, apparently. Yes, the MK Ultra ended. Yeah, it all ended. Oh, yeah, sure. We just continued under a different name. But those, yeah, those programs ended. Yeah. Fair enough. Well, this is nothing new. And I'll just show in the last clip that these kind of things have been going on. And one of the, well, any black group that pushes anything other than nonviolence is labeled as radical.

25:11 The previous term was radical, militant. Yeah. You know, these were the terms that were labeled. Now we have extremist. One of those people that were labeled as an extremist was Malcolm X. Of course. A black man is supposed to have no feelings. But when our black man strengths fast, he's an extremist. He's supposed to sit passively and have no feelings, be nonviolent and love his enemy. No matter what kind of attacks, be it verbal or otherwise, he's supposed to take it. But if he stands up and in any way tries to defend himself, then he's an extremist.

26:05 No, I think that the speaker who preceded me is getting exactly what he asked for. We are main reason for believing in extremism. Wow, that was another scary clip. Well, I want to say this. Those Font Master Flex bombs were not an original clip. This is the only place I could find his speech. And whoever posted it put these explosive bombs in the background every time he made an excellent point. It's a bit distracting, but I mean, you have to use the source material that you're given. Right. No, and I get the point.

CHAPTER 08 / 29 Discussion

Black Podcasting Extremists and Second Amendment Rights

The hosts jokingly refer to themselves as "Black Podcasting Extremists" (BPE) and discuss the "school of fish" analogy for social movements. They analyze the media's reaction to black citizens exercising Second Amendment rights at the Virginia State Capitol, noting how diverse participation complicates the "white extremist" narrative used by gun control advocates.

black podcasting extremists· second amendment· virginia· gun rights· school of fish

26:48 In fact, I'd like to make another point. We are dealing here with the BPE. Block Black Podcasting Extremists. Right there, Mo. I see you. Hey, man. Hey, look. And you wonder where this, okay. I got to be honest. You wonder where this topic came from. And this is, and this shows the connectivity between the shows. I ended the last show off with the school of fish analogy. Yes. And part of that school of fish analogy is: one, the fish can't be too close together or too far apart.

27:26 Now, with that analogy, this is the reason why if we're going to be successful at creating change, we can't be too close together because they always can create these terms. They're send infiltrators as we've seen throughout history and to divide. To divide and destroy and discredit and whatever term the term you want to use. So that is how we got from last show to this show. I like to add that in. Okay, got it. And to be for Malcolm X, that's why he's not usable in the same way Martin Luther King is usable.

28:08 Because King was about nonviolence and loving each other, which we should love each other. But as soon as you, as Malcolm pointed out in the previous clip, as soon as you start talking about protecting yourself, and this is not exclusive to only so-called blacks, quote-unquote blacks. This is any group. As soon as you start talking about defending yourself, then you're a problem. Although, if black people go with white people to the state capitol with guns, it's all white extremists, just so you know.

28:47 I saw some black faces there, but it was all white extremists. And you saw a lot, and that's really derailed that whole anti-gun because it's like we can't, we don't have a clean, we don't have a clean camera shot without having a black person in it. So, hey, hey, hey, move that guy over to the left a little bit. Yeah, can't get my shot. You're so right. And then if you do that, then you start bringing these people that have similar ideologies together. Bad idea. Can't have people getting together and having thoughts. That's why this podcast is so dangerous. BPE, the notorious BPE, MoFax. So let's continue to listen to Malcolm X a little bit more.

CHAPTER 09 / 29 Discussion

Malcolm X on Respect and Self-Defense

A continuation of Malcolm X's speech explores the idea that black Americans would garner more respect from white citizens by standing up for their rights rather than following "wishy-washy" non-violence. Adam Curry praises Malcolm X's oratorical cadence and notes the historical repetition of the government using fear of armed black men to justify repression.

malcolm x· self-defense· civil rights· racial justice· podcaster cadence

29:31 Intelligently directed extremism. extremism. Extremism in defense of liberty. Extremism in quest of justice is because I firmly believe in my heart that the day that the black man takes an uncompromising step and realizes that he's within his rights when his own freedom is being jeopardized to use any means necessary to bring about his freedom or put a halt to that injustice. I don't think he'll be by himself. I live in America where there are only 22 million blacks against probably 160 million whites.

30:07 One of the reasons that I'm in no way reluctant or hesitant to do whatever is necessary to see that black people do something to protect themselves, I honestly believe that the day that they do, many whites will have more respect for them and that there will be more whites on their side than are now on their side with these little wishy-washy, love thy love thy enemy approaches they've been using up to now. And if I'm wrong, then you are racialist. Man, he would have been great as a podcaster. I'm not kidding. I can listen to his voice forever. I can listen forever.

30:49 It's such a great cadence. It's just the perfect tone to it. It would have been great. And that's why I love doing this show with you because prior to you even hearing that clip, you pointed out Virginia. And he followed up with that point that when black people start showing that we want to protect ourselves and exercise our rights given to us by the First and Second Amendment, we'll actually garner more support. That's right. That's right. And that's the dangerous part. It's like, no, no, no. Can't have it. Keep us separated. You know, got to keep us separated. Well, that was a little history on these kinds of things being

31:35 done, been done all throughout history. We saw the same thing with Marcus Garvey and how Jagger Hoover had it up for him, and he was for the self-defense. It's later comes. It's fascinating how we all fall for the same gambit every single time. Every single time. And it's like when the media shows pictures of black men with guns in their hands, they can whip up fear. Yeah, I'll say. They can whip up fear. And then that in turn, you know, demonizes and makes them extremists. Now, this thing got, it did get attention from the government.

CHAPTER 10 / 29 Discussion

Representative Karen Bass Challenges FBI Assessment

Representative Karen Bass, chair of the subcommittee on crime and terrorism, calls for the FBI to retract the Black Identity Extremist document. She argues the designation is a "declaration of open season" on young black activists and compares it to her experiences with police repression in Los Angeles. The hosts examine her claim that the FBI should focus on white identity extremists instead.

karen bass· black caucus· fbi· domestic terrorism· surveillance· lapd

32:18 And one of the people it did get attention from, and I got to give her props, was Representative Karen Bass. And just a little background on Miss Karen Bass. She is, she's a Democrat and also a member of the Black National Caucus. The Black Caucus. Yep. She represents Culver City in South Los Angeles. And one interesting thing I saw about her is she was the acting chair of the subcommittee on crime, terrorism, and homeland security. So I just found that interesting. But for this show, she's going to be the BI Bay.

33:05 Okay. So she actually took on. She called, she called a form on highlighting Black identity extremism. I don't believe the Black identity extremists exist. And I believe that the FBI should retract the document and should send out a document throughout law enforcement saying that black identity extremists do not exist. They gave no information to us as to how they came up with that category. And to me, what they really need to be concerned about is white identity extremists. But that seemed to mystify them.

33:45 Woo! There we go. It's working. It does because if you highlight one group, then the other, that group is going to point out, or the represent so-called representative of that group is going to point out. What about the other side? Of course. And they'll say, oh, yeah, you're right. Let's investigate everybody. Yeah, just called American extremists, identity extremists, whatever. It's horrible. Yes. And like I said, she did have this form. And I have to give her credit because she did bring attention to how this thing was just thrown together, rolled out to law enforcement. And it was like, what are we supposed to do? Who are we looking for? I mean, usually when you have,

34:29 you're doing something. some kind of investigation and you'll know like, what's the motive? What's the, who are the perks, you know, that kind of thing. It's like, nah, it's just a group. Anything time they say anything extreme, then we have the right to investigate. But then we got them. Yeah. We got one. That's a that's a very dangerous premise. And the way this works is, in my mind, a lot of these groups overlap. You have members that are members of two or more groups. So once you can start connecting that chain to, well, they're in organization ABC and also, you know, you can spider web it back.

35:08 Yeah, you can spider web it and show this so-called huge organization, which may have some actual interlinking connections. But again, the original premise is just, you know, what's extremism and what's identity in this case. Right. And they just clearly identify those two terms for you. But let's go back to some more highlights from the form. The point of the document is that it's saying that black identity extremists are organized to kill law enforcement officers. My concern about it is, especially since it was distributed to law enforcement around the country, is that I consider it a declaration of open season on young black activists that I have a particular concern about, especially people who are involved in the Black Lives Matter movement or any movement that's trying to hold

CHAPTER 11 / 29 Discussion

James Comey and the Leaked BIE Document

The hosts investigate the timeline of the BIE document, noting it originated under FBI Director James Comey during the transition between the Obama and Trump administrations. They discuss the difficulty of validating leaked documents and criticize the pivot in the congressional hearing from black activists to broader "people of color" and Muslim narratives.

james comey· fbi· leaked document· donald trump· barack obama· stop and frisk

35:59 police accountable. It reminded me of my days here in Los Angeles as a young activist protesting the LAPD and the level of repression that we went through. There was nobody we could talk to during those years. And so I feel a very personal responsibility to make sure that that document is retracted. Now, so let me just understand a few things. First of all, do you know what the actual document is that's being referred to continuously here? It's a leaked and we will run theme in this whole administration and how the media has covered it. It's a leaked document. Okay. Have we actually ever seen the document? Does this? I have not seen the document.

36:42 I've looked for the document. Yeah. Well, I'll say this. I've saw copies, but I couldn't validate that was the official document. I'll say that because you've seen it posted online, but I'm not sure if that's, and I didn't want to report it as facts if I can't validate it. Right. Which, how do you validate a leaked document? You don't call it. FBI is this your document I'm going to refer to. And who was running the F now? This is before Trump was elected when this was put into place, was it not? No, it was 2017 when it came out. Okay, but they were referring back to things that happened.

37:22 Well, no, no, the Dallas shooting was under Trump. No, that was under Obama. Was that under Obama? And this is part of the story because it's like, why did these things start cropping up right at the end of Obama's Obama's administration going into the 2016 election? So I don't know if you have this covered. Was it James Comey still running the FBI at that point? It must have been. Yes, it had to be because he carried over. He carried over. So this falls back in Comey's lap. Wow. This is something that is underreported. I'm sure it is. The even more reason why the left, the more liberal side of media, had no reason to

38:07 do that. This is like stopping fricks on steroids. Yes, it is. Yes, it is. But let's let Karen Bass finish up with her form. The numbers suggest that 83% of the shots fires incidents we've had since 2009 are right-wing extremists. And so again, as I'm challenging the report here and trying to be fair, I'm just trying to understand where this data came from and how they put it together. Right, exactly. And they can't answer that. How could you distribute a document to law enforcement agencies around the country?

38:44 Exactly. What is that category based on? When it comes to terrorism, it seems like it's only called terrorism if you're a person of color, especially if you're Muslim. See, my love for her was short-lived. Yeah. Ended. Ended right there. That's what she broke my heart. Why do you have to do that? She's doing so well. We're talking about BIE. And as I always say, they use us to open the door. And we're left holding the door. And this is a classic example. The conversation started around BIE, and now it pivots back to Muslims.

CHAPTER 12 / 29 Discussion

Jeff Sessions Congressional Testimony on BIE

Attorney General Jeff Sessions testifies before Congress regarding the Black Identity Extremist report. Under questioning from Karen Bass, Sessions struggles to name specific modern organizations targeting police, eventually citing the Dallas and Baton Rouge shootings as justification. The hosts critique Sessions' performance and the "casting" of him as a stereotypical Southern antagonist.

jeff sessions· karen bass· fbi· attorney general· dallas shooting· baton rouge

39:25 people of color, aka colored people. Hey, thanks. Thanks for holding the door open. Y'all. Oh, y'all welcome. Good work. Well, good on Karen, man. Karen Bass. I got to give her props. I mean, I called that out. Yeah, when good work. And so I have some clips from the actual form. That was the highlights. It was a four-minute video highlighting the things that were discussed in the forum. But I have some clips from her talking to Mr. Jeff Sessions. And this is the clip: If Bass Bass, if there is an FBI report on black identity extremists.

40:05 Okay, so you're not, you haven't necessarily read the report, but you are familiar with the term black identity extremists? Well, I think so, yes. So could you tell me what that term means to you? Do you believe that there is a movement of African Americans that identify themselves as black identity extremists? And what does that movement do? Well, it'd be interesting to see the conclusions of that report. But I'm aware that there are groups that do have an extraordinary commitment to their racial identity. And some have transformed themselves even into violent activists. And that was Sessions? Yeah, that's Sessions. Right. So Sessions Attorney

40:50 General who came in after Loretta Lynch when Trump, the Trump administration started. Correct. Right. And the way they frame this term is this is from Trump's FBI. Oh. It's like, no, this is Comey's FBI. Yeah, this is not Trump's FBI. Right. But they shaped it very well to exclude anybody that they're friendly to. So let's just let her finish up her talking with Sessions. Could you name an African-American organization that have committed violent acts against police officers?

41:27 Could you name one today? In this report, they name organizations from 30, 40 years ago, but can you name of one today that has targeted police officers in a violent manner? Wu-Tang Klan? I believe I could, but I would want to be to confirm that and submit it to you in writing. But I believe we had within the last year or so, four police officers killed by a group that some have described as extremists. So what has happened is that there have been a couple of incidents in which African Americans did kill police officers who were not associated with a black organization.

42:08 And so one, for example, in Baton Rouge was associated with sovereign citizens, which is primarily a white group. So you even heard Jeff Sessions say there, oh, we had a couple of events and talk off these two events, they created a whole identity. Not even he said that he only mentioned one, didn't he? Like the four in Louisiana? Yeah, Dallas, I think in Dallas, I think he was, when he said four, I think he was referring to Dallas. I thought there was five. Yeah. Okay. I thought there were five. Yeah. And if there was three in three in Baton Rouge, maybe he just rounded it. He was like, okay, average of four. I don't know how he got to the four number, but

42:54 he couldn't even name a group. If you have a if you have a real threat, you can say, okay, just say, for instance, radical Islamic terrorism. You could say you have the Taliban and you have Al-Qaeda. You know, you can go down the list. Right. But now he couldn't even give one. He's like, could submit it in writing, which that means I have to have somebody go look up one. And what was this? Was this a congressional hearing? Yes. Okay. So he was probably caught off guard by this. Yeah, because he didn't even, he didn't even know. I don't think he's in the previous clips.

43:37 He didn't know of the report. Oh, okay. Okay. Which I find strange as well. But the optics is there. You have Jeff Sessions, who's, if you had to cast a racist in a movie, I'm just saying, I'm not saying he is racist or not, is or isn't racist, but he fixed that casting. What we always talk about on the show. Oh, totally. Totally. You have the southern accent, older white man, and he's like, oh, yeah, oh, he has kind of the physique of a garden gnome. You know, all the things that you just like, you're like, oh, I can hate that guy. That's easy to do. Yep. So here we are. And before we actually get into those events that he.

CHAPTER 13 / 29 Discussion

Sheriff David Clarke and the Subhuman Creeps Comment

The hosts review controversial comments by Sheriff David Clarke, who referred to protesters as "subhuman creeps" and "garbage." They debate whether Clarke was referring to peaceful protesters or agent provocateurs. Moe criticizes Clarke for using his skin color to denigrate those exercising First Amendment rights, comparing his rhetoric to that of white supremacists.

david clarke· black lives matter· antifa· agent provocateur· first amendment

44:19 he alluded to, I wanted to give a little clip of, we saw the videos with Black Lives Matter calling cops pigs and was it baking something, let them fry or hear piggy peeky, let them fry. I want to make one point before we play the next clip. One, I think a lot of this racial identity protesting is a form of cosplay. That's my personal opinion. Yeah, I see that. It's the same with Antifa. I find that that's also a lot of cosplay. So what happens is you have these organizations like Black Lives Matter because I'm not letting them off the hook in any form or fashion because I know who they represent.

45:07 They go out, they get people in the streets, and then they have their agitators come out while in the group, throw a rock, throw a bottle, whatever else, and then it causes group herd mentality and just like all hell breaks loose. So I'm not taking a jean provocateur. Thank you, sir. But what I will say is there was also very nasty and vicious language specifically for Fox. I mean, I'm not beating up on Fox. There it is. But what they will bring on these black law enforcement officers and they would use some of the most, well, just getting to the next clip.

45:56 Sheriff, your reaction to some of the sentiment you heard on the streets on Saturday. Well, it's just crazy talk. That's ignorance in its purest form. You know, I think we need to rethink the strategy. I don't know why the police even bother policing those demonstrations. They're not protests. Those people advocate for the overthrow of our legally constituted government. The president says they have a social media. Let them fend for themselves. Let the good law-abiding people of New York clash with them for disrupting their lives, disrupting their businesses. Then the police can show up and arrest these subhuman creeps for creating a disturbance.

46:39 That we can do. Now, which sheriff was this? That's Sheriff Clark. Who is black? Yes. Oh, and he's a butter biscuit badge carrying eater. Hat wearing. You forgot hat wearing. Yeah, hat wearing, yes. And the reason why I say that is to come when you talk about groups, you have to use nuance. And I try to do that on the show, not to prank with a wide brush, any group, because as I explained before, you have a lot of good people on both sides. Fine people, I think the term is fine. Oh, excuse me, five people, fine people on both sides.

47:19 Because a lot of people are frustrated and they just won't go out in the street and let out their frustrations. And it may be cosplay, but it's therapeutic. Those people are not violent. They just want to have the feel like they have impact. They have an impact on something. So they go out with their signs. And a lot of the, I would say 90% of the people out there just want to exercise their First Amendment rights. But for a guy like this to call them subhuman and then later on call them garbage, he said all, I mean, he was talking about all of them, not just the, he didn't, you know, specifically say the agitators or the violent people or those. Allow me to give you a perspective from

48:01 my point of view. Okay. Until we started this show, I would have always thought of Sheriff David Clark as, oh, man, there's a cool guy. You know, he's not taking any crap. He seems pretty down to earth. But the more I start to learn, and as you said, the butter biscuits, he's taking license. He's actually abusing his own skin color to give himself license to use these terms, which I find by in itself offensive.

48:38 And what even more rubs me the wrong way is if he was talking about the Bundy Ranch or the standoff, you know, with right-wing groups, he wouldn't use the term subhuman. I mean, that in itself has connotations of subhuman that feeds into the black people not exactly. It goes back to that. I'm glad you said that. So when you use that term, it's like you're bordering line off being a white supremacist yourself. The sound you just made said it all. Yeah, it irks me because we can, I come here and I point out flaws on both sides.

49:22 We can do that, but don't don't don't denigrate people, especially people that are trying to just voice their first right, First Amendment rights. All right, so now one question. Based upon what he said, do you think it's possible he was referring purely to the agent provocateurs who show up within the group and calling them out a subhuman, or did it really come across to you as he's calling the whole everybody subhuman? To be fair, because I said a lot about him. Can we listen to the last maybe 20 seconds of that clip so we can hear exactly how he framed that? Yeah, let's do that because I thought he gave himself some leeway, possibly. Hold on. It says they have a significant thing.

50:06 Let them fend for themselves. Let the good law-abiding people of New York clash with them for disrupting their lives, disrupting their businesses. Then the police can show up and arrest these subhuman creeps for creating a disturbance. That we can do. Let me go back just one a little bit further. Hold on. Okay. Well, this is crazy talk. That's ignorance in its purest form. You know, I think we need to rethink the strategy. I don't know why the police even bother policing those demonstrations. They're not protests. Those people advocate for the overthrow of our legally constituted. Okay, so he's grouping them all together there. All right. That's pretty clear. That's pretty clear.

50:49 I'm glad we did that just to be clear. And that's how I took it. But I want to make sure that I wasn't. No, no, you got it. No, you got it. All right. So now we have the set. The stage is set. We're trying to figure out how we got to BIE. We've heard kind of the tone on the right-hand side. We clearly know what the tone on the pro-Black Lives Matter, pro anti-police side is, because it was highly spread out and discussed and reported. Yeah, discussed. Correct. So let's just get into what happened in Dallas.

CHAPTER 14 / 29 Discussion

Dallas Police Ambush and Initial Reports

News coverage from July 2016 details the ambush of police officers in Dallas during a protest. Initial reports from the Dallas Police Chief claimed multiple snipers were triangulating positions from parking garages. The hosts highlight the early confusion regarding the number of suspects and the report of a suspect dying from a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

dallas· texas· police shooting· snipers· ambush· manuel bajorkis

51:32 We begin with breaking news in Dallas, Texas, where at least five police officers were killed when they were ambushed by at least two snipers. The shooting began near the end of a protest over the fatal police shootings of black men in Louisiana and Minnesota. Six other officers and a civilian were injured. Police are questioning at least three alleged suspects, and Manuel Bajorkis is in downtown Dallas. Manuel, what is the latest? Well, Anne-Marie, some breaking news now. We're learning that the fourth suspect, a man who was holed up inside a parking garage not too far from where we are, has now died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

52:11 He had apparently been exchanging gunfire with officers, but we're learning that he has now died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound. As you mentioned, a gunfire erupted in downtown Dallas with no warning, turning this place into a war zone and still very much resembling one right now. Officials saying the intent of the shooters was to kill as many officers as possible. Yeah, didn't they go in with something like a robot that went around the corner and shot him or something? Curry. Easy, Curry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, guys. Let me just put him on. Hold on a second. I got him right here.

52:50 Okay. Let's stick with the news narrative as it's reported. Sorry. So we have two shooters. Yeah. And one of the shooters killed himself with a self-inflicted gunshot wound. That's what we have right now. That's what we got now. Yes. Okay. So let's get into the next clip. Police say this was a coordinated attack. At least two snipers from elevated positions as the protest rally march ended began firing upon our officers.

53:32 Ambush style. As the gunfire rang out, police used their patrol cars for cover as they moved in to help wounded officers. We believe that these suspects were positioning themselves in a way to triangulate on these officers from two different purchases in garages in the downtown area and planned to injure and kill as many law enforcement officers as they could. I never really heard this part of the story. Maybe I came in late or something.

54:10 and I only heard the resolutions of it. Interesting. This is July 8th, 2016, and the shooting happened on July 7th. So this is right after the shooting. We have multiple shooters triangulating, which I don't know how you triangulate with two shooters, but hey, man. It's the news. It just sounds like a cool term to throw out there. Like, oh, yeah, triangulating. But we have multiple shooters, and we have one of the shooters killing themselves with this. And this is from the sheriff. That was the sheriff talking. That wasn't that. I mean, excuse me, I think police chief. Police chief, yeah. But that, yeah, that wasn't like some conspiracy theory website.

CHAPTER 15 / 29 Discussion

Shift to the Lone Gunman Narrative

The hosts analyze the rapid shift in the Dallas shooting narrative from multiple coordinated snipers to a "lone gunman." They compare this transition to historical assassinations like JFK and Martin Luther King Jr. Moe suggests that the "lone shooter" label is a tool used by authorities to quickly close cases and avoid deeper investigations into coordination.

lone gunman· dallas· fbi· media narrative· jfk assassination· james earl ray

54:51 He's the police chief of Dallas, who I think also is black. Yes, he is. But yeah, we have multiple shooters, one killing himself with a self-inflicted gunshot wound. And that counters the narrative that you heard, which you may have heard in this next clip. And this morning, we are getting new video and new eyewitness accounts of the fear as well as the heroism during the shooting in Dallas. We have team coverage this morning, and we do begin with ABC's Matt Gutman right there on the ground in downtown Dallas. Good morning, Matt. Good morning, Paul. And that fear and heroism you mentioned was intensified by the fact that city officials thought they were under siege by an unknown number of gunmen that night.

55:33 Now that they know it was a lone gunman, officials are focusing on investigating how he did this and patching Dallas back together. Oh, there's a sniper come up here somewhere. It's a sniper this morning. As agents comb the streets for evidence, they're learning more about the gunman. There was confusion with everybody running around, but this was a mobile shooter. Who police say began blasting away shortly after this peaceful demonstration in Dallas on Thursday? Yeah. I do. The lone shooter. Yeah. It's crazy, Moe. I remember there was a lot of confusion, but I never heard the sheriff say so clearly multiple.

56:15 I thought it was like one of those fog of war, maybe the first 30 minutes or so. They thought that. But that was the day after, and this is two days after. And all of a sudden, everyone got their story straight. Okay, here we go. Here's what it is, boys. It's one shooter, loan. And they used the term. Lone war. Terms matter. Lone shooter. Lone shooter. They didn't say it was a single shooter. It's the loan shooter. What about the other people they were questioning? They said they were questioning three other suspects. What happened with that? And the reason why I'm saying this is I want you to put on your black conspiracy theory hat. And you hear like, because when these things happen, people follow them closely. Oh, it's multiple shooters.

56:59 What's going on? And then you come back and just change the whole narrative. Yeah, that was a long shooter. Nothing to see here. That smacks of J. Edgar Hoover. I mean, not Jacob Hoover, excuse me. James Earl Ray. That smacks of the JFK assassin. You know, it's like, it always goes back to just one. It's all especially the connotation of Dallas. Yeah. That was missed on me. Thank you for pointing that out. So we have, now we're down to one shooter. No mention of the other three suspects. And the curious question of how he was killed.

CHAPTER 16 / 29 Discussion

Micah Xavier Johnson and the C4 Robot

The Dallas Police Department used a robot armed with C4 explosives to kill suspect Micah Xavier Johnson after negotiations failed. The hosts discuss the unprecedented nature of using a lethal robot on U.S. soil and the discrepancy between the "self-inflicted wound" report and the actual explosion. They also note the symbolic nature of the name "Micah X."

micah xavier johnson· dallas pd· swat· c4· robot bomb· el centro college

57:42 Dallas PD shutting down the airspace over town, thinking this was an ambush with multiple shooters. Somebody's really armed to the team. This is not one person. But it was one shooter, Micah Xavier Johnson. Mr. Johnson had written manifestos on how to shoot and move. You see him in this video advancing with deadly efficiency on this officer, firing the officer gun down. Natoll, 14 shot, 12 of them officers. Five of the officers died. Towards midnight, SWAT teams finally corner Johnson on the second floor of El Centro College.

58:20 The suspect stated he wanted to kill white people, especially white officers. Negotiations break down, and police use an explosive mounted on a robot similar to this one to kill Johnson for the first time in history. Yeah, I remember now that was that's the part that I focused on when I heard that. I'm like, what? And by the way, weren't there two of the five cops killed? Weren't they black? I'm not sure. I think you're not. I'm just going by memory. I'm just going by memory. Yeah, I think that was in. I think the black cops were killed in Baton Rouge, but maybe. I'm not for sure. But I want to, that last clip, I want to pick it apart piece by piece.

59:04 Okay. First. First of all, you have a shooter. He hit 14 people, 12 of them being cops. That means he had to be a crackshot. All those people running around and all that melee and chaos, and you can hit. That's just how I perceived it. Two, the man's name is Micah Xavier Johnson, right? Yeah. If you shorten that up, you got Micah X. Nice. That's like code, code. No, I'm just saying, well, that's what registered with me because when you abbreviate the middle name, Micah X, you got Micah X.

59:52 Good one, which I mean, it lends it to itself. And then you have this one day ago, you said he killed himself with a self-inflicted gunshot wound. How'd you get that wrong? I don't understand how that one piece was. I mean, I'm not surprised that the media gets it wrong. The question is: where did they get their report from? Was it from the official police? And in the previous clips, they had the briefing of the police officer speaking. So it's like you can ask them the question: how did he die? Smells like cover up. They use one pound of C4 on a robot. Oh, yeah. A pound. To blow this man up. A pound. Make sure he wasn't recognizable.

1:00:35 That's for sure. It's just strange. It's hella strange. It's like you C4 first time in history. Yeah. They said it was on a robot. After the communication break, you have him cornered because I mean, they had him cornered. I mean, he couldn't get out. After an hour, you just say, okay, yeah, send in the robot. What? Yeah. That doesn't make any sense. And I've never heard of the robot being used since, actually. I have not either. We've had many standoffs with shooters

CHAPTER 17 / 29 Discussion

Military Background of Micah Johnson

Reports confirm that Micah Johnson was a 25-year-old Army veteran who served in Afghanistan. He was armed with an SKS rifle and handguns while wearing body armor. The hosts point out the recurring theme of military training in these incidents and the media's focus on "manifestos" and tactical journals found at the suspect's home.

micah johnson· army reserve· afghanistan· assault rifle· body armor· steve futterman

1:01:15 for days. I mean, we had some that last for days, even, and they don't send the robot in. But as this case starts to unravel, we get even more details about the gunman. Freelance reporter Steve Futterman is in Dallas and he joins me now live. So, Steve, what do we know about the suspect that was killed? Well, his name is Micah Johnson, 25 years old from the Dallas area. In fact, he celebrated his 25th birthday this past weekend. We have now learned a bit more about him. He was in the Army for a number of years, apparently spent some time either in Afghanistan or Iraq.

1:01:54 But the very interesting thing we've learned in the past hour from law enforcement sources is what he was armed with. He had an assault rifle, a semi-automatic assault rifle. He had a handgun and apparently was dressed in body armor, which makes everyone believe he knew exactly what he was going to do when he came to the protests last night. Yeah, it's kind of distressing to hear all this again. So for the listeners out there, I told you, remember the military connection. Yes. Now we have the, I think Rakim was the other guy's name.

1:02:33 The advice story was on. They put it out there. Oh, he's military, former military, former military. Now we have Micah X Johnson, former military. You know, again, if we were in the meeting, you'd be like, hey, man, let's come up with a cool name for this cat. All right, something like Malcolm X. All right, Micah X. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But we got to make sure everyone knows really black. Johnson. All right. That's it, man. Perfect. We're good to go. It writes itself. It does. It really does. So it's like, okay, now we have this guy. He's moving around biting armor, assault rifle, two pistols. He's making these difficult shots.

1:03:13 Cops are taking triangulation. Yeah, triangulation. Oh, I mean, one thing I meant missed that the cop said in a previous clip, his manifesto. I mean, they're throwing all did he ever. Did he ever publish one? Did he ever publish a manifesto? Well, his manifesto was more of his tactical how he was going to do it. But they just relabeled it as a manifesto. Well, of course, that's what you do. That's what you do. It's just all too convenient. And like, I'm thinking, and this is 2017, so I'm seeing this thing with the NA mind. And it's like, hey, what, what is going on here? Like, who is this guy? Yeah, his manifesto was a very angry rant against white people. That's it.

1:03:58 So we have. and there was one dropped by that last supporter, I mean, last reporter. He didn't use the term Micah X, Johnson. And I'm just Micah X. Get on code. Get on code. Really? You have to put the X in there. Otherwise, people might think you're not a part of it. Right. Which could have been true for that guy. Yeah. And like I said, that, well, we all know all the shooters always get three names. Three names, which I don't know who came up with that anyway, but always. This third name fit perfectly. And so now we have a shooter that's blown up with one pound of C4 after our standoff.

CHAPTER 19 / 29 Discussion

The RB Blood Message and Pan-Africanism

Before his death, Micah Johnson reportedly wrote the letters "RB" in blood on the walls of El Centro College. Media outlets like USA Today speculated this stood for "RBG" (Red, Black, and Green), the Pan-African flag colors. The hosts mock this theory, suggesting it was a stretch used to link the shooter to broader black nationalist movements.

rb· rbg· pan-africanism· dallas· blood message· red black and green

1:07:40 There was quite a bit of rambling in the journal that's hard to decipher. I can just add at the scene where he was killed, he wrote some lettering in blood on the walls, which leads us to believe he was wounded on the way up the stairwell on the second floor of the El Centro building and where we detonated the device to end the standoff. There was more lettering written in his own blood. What did he write? We are trying to decipher that, but he wrote the letters RB.

1:08:17 RB. And we don't RB, yes. So we're trying to figure out through looking at things in his home what those initials mean. But we haven't determined that yet. Yes, I remember that. Hmm. RB. RB. Was that the only thing? I thought there was more that he had written. That was all that they reported that he wrote in blood in two separate places, RB. So I started doing the digging. Like, what does RB mean? I can't not know what this means.

1:08:55 So, they had some theories. One of the less agreed upon theories is he wrote RB for robot bomb. Yes. Yeah, I remember that one. Yep. Which is fair. I mean, that's fair. But the most widely reported by USA Today, Heavy, Daily Mail, and other groups is it stood for RBG, also known as Red, Black, and Green. He just didn't, he didn't finish the G because then he got blowed up. And in two places. How do you make that stretch? It's like RB. Oh, I don't have time to write the G.

1:09:34 Then you run somewhere else and you write it again, RB. But these news agencies wrote, oh, yeah, it stood for Redback, Black, and Green, which is the Pan-Africanist colors. So now, if you have any association to red, black, black, and green. Hello, Jamaica. Yeah. You see what I'm saying? So on your website, if you had red, black, and green, or anything with those colors, now you get lumped into the group. This is all too convenient. Wow. And like I said, these are heavy-hitting news agencies that reported this almost as fact, which didn't make any sense.

1:10:16 He at least would have finished one of them as RBG if that's what he meant. But he just put RB in two separate places. And that's, and it kind of, as you know, with any narrative that they roll out, it just sticks. Oh, of course. And that's what was left there. It was red, black, and green. Jeez. So that wraps up the Dallas shooting. And right 10 days later, we have this event. We want to get to the tragedy in Baton Rouge. Three police officers killed at a deadly assault, three more injured after a gunman attacked them at a busy intersection. Terrified witnesses hiding in the car, capturing the ambush on cell phone video before the shooter was taken down.

CHAPTER 20 / 29 Discussion

Gavin Long and the Baton Rouge Ambush

Ten days after the Dallas shooting, former Marine Gavin Long killed three police officers in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. The incident occurred near the site of the Alton Sterling shooting. The hosts note the similarities between Long and Micah Johnson, including their military backgrounds, tactical gear, and the "ambush" style of the attacks.

gavin long· baton rouge· alton sterling· marine corps· ambush· louisiana

1:11:02 Amy Roebuck on the scene for us there in Louisiana with the latest. Good morning, Amy. That's right. Good morning, Robin. And the headline of the advocate here in Baton Rouge says it all senseless. The carnage began here behind me after police officers responded to a 911 call about a suspicious looking man carrying guns. When those Baton Rouge officers arrived, they were targeted, shot, and three of them killed. At 8:44, the first shots rang out. Just two moments earlier, Baton Rouge police scrambled to this busy intersection after receiving a 911 call about a man dressed all in black, armed with a rifle and a semi-automatic pistol.

1:11:47 When officers arrived, the suspect, 29-year-old former Marine Gavin Long, began to fire. Another Marine. Go figure. Armed in the same fashion as Micah X Johnson. Assault rifle and a handgun. Yeah. 10 days later, and he drove all the way up there from St. Louis to Baton Rouge. He wasn't even originally from Baton Rouge, but Baton Rouge was a hotbed because of the Alton Sterling shooting. Yeah. It's strange, I tell you.

1:12:29 No, no, it is. And I mean, I was focused on other things I remember. I was, you know, it's like so much was exploding around this. It was. And we were just figuring out the, but, you know, we really only figured out with the Louisiana stuff that, you know, Black Lives Matter was a Soros outfit. And, you know, the, I mean, right down to the founder of BLM living in a Soros house. You know, so that's the stuff I was looking at then. Didn't even look at this. It's very interesting while I like it. So we have two people within 10. And you think, throughout American history, we haven't had that many

1:13:12 black militant black radical shootings of cops. Well, there hadn't been that many cops killed since 9-11. It was a humongous, you know, five, eight. It was a big number. And then within two days, I mean, 10, excuse me, 10 days, you have two shooters armed in the same fashion doing highly tactical shootings of police officers with similar backgrounds. And they're along with similar backgrounds. Ex-military, they armed the same fashion, and they have this quote-unquote pro-black ideology. Now, let me guess. Was this what was his name? Gavin Long? Gavin Long. Did he like some bad groups on Facebook?

CHAPTER 21 / 29 Discussion

Convos with Cosmo and Anti-Government Ties

Gavin Long operated a website and YouTube channel under the pseudonym "Cosmo," where he posted videos about "war for peace." Investigators linked him to the sovereign citizens movement, which is typically a white-majority group. The hosts discuss how the media framed his affiliations to support the Black Identity Extremist narrative despite these complexities.

gavin long· convos with cosmo· kansas city· sovereign citizens· fbi· twitter

1:13:54 I'm just guessing. We're going to get there, but let's get into his ex-Marine background. The suspect who fatally shot three officers in Baton Rouge on Sunday before being killed by police has been identified as a former Marine sergeant. Gavin Long, a 29-year-old African-American man, was, according to a person briefed on the investigation, from Kansas City and affiliated with an anti-government group. This image was published on a Twitter account linked to a website called convoswithcosmo.club, a site registered by a person identified as Gavin Long from Kansas City.

1:14:34 In a tweet posted on Sunday, it reads, just because you wake up every morning doesn't mean that you're living. And just because you shed your physical body doesn't mean that you're dead. Sunday shootings happened at a shopping center not far from the Baton Rouge police headquarters. Apparently, officers saw a man carrying a rifle and dressed all in black standing behind a beauty supply store. We do not have a 40 on the shooter. He is not in sight. Possibly sniper. Police now believe the gunman lured the officers there to ambush them. Sunday's shooting comes just two weeks after police in Baton Rouge shot and killed black man Alton Sterling, an incident that led to protests in the city.

1:15:23 It also follows another police shooting in Dallas last week, where five officers were killed and nearly a dozen injured. Yeah, I remember it was like an ambush situation coming back to me now. And that's the term that was used in both cases, ambush. Ambush, yeah. And they say he was linked to an anti-government group. I think this is the term they use. But they didn't specify that was a majority white, quote-unquote, anti-government group, because that's the one that Karen Bass referred to in her clip. But they just left it as this anti- And if you just do the mental jump, oh, it had to be a black group he was associated with.

1:16:05 Of course, we're trained to think this now. Yeah. And you asked the previous question, his connection to, I mean, his activity online. Yeah, was he liking anything bad on Facebag? Well, he left the online trail. Oh, he was a trail. We're going to get more on the gunman now. A military veteran who posted threatening videos may have had ties to militant groups. Maybe sees chief investigator correspondent Brian Ross has the latest. Convos with Cosmo. That's me. Using the pseudonym Cosmo, the shooter, Gavin Eugene Long, posted this video online the day after the five police officers in Dallas were shot and killed. It's a time for peace, but it's a time for war. And most of the times, when you want peace, you got to go to war.

1:16:49 Overnight, police and the FBI were at the home of Long in Kansas City, Missouri, where neighbors described him as a quiet man, divorced with children. Government documents showed Long was a military veteran who served five years in the Marines, including tours in Japan and Iraq. And police say the Sunday morning ambush showed signs of being well planned. Wow. That's when you put it all together like that. It's very interesting, Mo. Very, very interesting. I like that a lot. That's good. And I have a theory. All right. I have a theory, but first, we have to thank people. I like new money.

CHAPTER 22 / 29 Discussion

Value for Value Producer Credits and Donations

The hosts pause the discussion to thank donors under the "value for value" model. They acknowledge Executive Producer Blathercast and Associate Executive Producer Drew McArdle. A new donation tier, "Invited to the Cookout," is established at $87.68, commemorating the recording date of James Brown's "Say It Loud – I'm Black and I'm Proud."

value for value· mofundme· blathercast· drew mcardle· james brown· cookout donation

1:17:28 I don't know if you do, but I hate old money that's wrinkled and dirty and got all the diseases on it. I like new money. And when I give things to people, I like to give stacks of money. It's fun. You ever had a stack of new money? Have you? You haven't? Have you? A little stack. Oh. And so I made, you know, the big stack where it was brand new. And I like brand new money. I just, I don't want any money around me. It's not. I'd almost rather have a new one than an old 20.

1:18:09 That's kind of dumb. But there's something about new money that excites you. You like $100 bills? Oh, yeah. I like new money, too. Oh, the most beautiful thing on earth is a $100 bill. I haven't seen a woman as good looking as a $100 bill. There's something about $100 bill that excites you. We can dream, can't we? It's time to thank a couple people for supporting the show, our producers. If you're listening right now, we already consider you producer. See how you are helping people find the show by what you're spreading and sharing on social media. See how you're giving us ideas. feedback. A lot of show ideas come from also noagendasocial.com.

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1:20:12 This will be my yearly contribution. $5 per week in a lump sum. I like that. I appreciate you doing that. Keep up the great work in educating us on the real white supremacy, or as it's pronounced, supremacy. Out of curiosity, are you a fan or have you listened to Backwards? Mo, I'm not familiar with this backwards. I have not, but I plan to check it out. It's on my checkout list. Backwards with a Z. I've not heard of this. Blathercast, thank you. And I appreciate that. So $5 per episode, that's your value. And you put it all up front. That's very motivational. Thank you. It's appreciated. Our associate executive producer for this episode, episode number 31, by the way, is Drew McArdle.

1:20:54 $100 from Drew. Mo Karma, Mo Karma, Mo Karma in the morning, gentlemen. Love you both. No Rona. Looking forward to next week's show. Keep it up, fellas. Love and light. Drew McArdle. Thank you very much, Drew. And you're our associate executive producer. That'll be in the show notes on the credits, also in the MP3 itself. And thank you again for supporting us. Old favorite, Tanya Wyman from New York. Dame Tanya, as we know her, $87.68. Hey, gentlemen. You notice how people call us gentlemen? I appreciate a lot. Yeah. Maybe it's because we come across as such. Hi, gentlemen. The episodes have just been getting better and better, and the last two have spurred me to finally donate.

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1:25:04 So $20 from him in total this week. Thank you. And yes, he does the old Rona Babona de Fana Fana Bona de Five Five Correct. I can't do it. Can you do it? No. Ernest Benoit, Benoit, Benoit, I think it is. B-N-O-I-T, $10 from him. Thank you for the always informative and entertaining show, Sir Ernesto. Value for value, says Paul Hooper with $10. Outstanding work, gentlemen, is what we get from William Hawthorne with a $5 donation and $4 in support from Terry Keller. Rounds out the bunch. Thank you to all of these producers who are supporting the show. Episode number 31 of MoFax with Adam Curry.

1:25:45 And again, we'll have Blathercast in the credits as our executive producer for this episode and Drew McArdle as our associate executive producer. Thank you all so much. And remember, it is value for value. All you have to do is go to mofax.com or mofundme, moefundme.com. That'll take you directly to the donation page and support us for our next show. So before we went to the donation segment, I have a theory. Yes. Manchurian candidate. How much do you actually know about your friend? I served under him and he was a good man.

CHAPTER 23 / 29 Discussion

Manchurian Candidate Theory and Sleeper Cells

The hosts introduce a theory inspired by the film *The Manchurian Candidate*, suggesting that certain individuals might be "triggered" or psychologically manipulated by corporate or political interests. They speculate that the 2016 racial unrest could have been exacerbated by organizations like George Soros's Open Society Foundations to influence the election.

manchurian candidate· denzel washington· sleeper cells· brainwashing· george soros· 2016 election

1:26:28 That's what the neighbors always say about serial killers. Somebody put an implant inside me. I got a good feeling about one and you two. You need to get help, and I'm not crazy, sure. Raymond, this is JB Johnson of Manchurian Global. Strong supporters. At a flick of a switch, we can adjust character, change personality. These are not supposed to exist. Raymond Prentiss. Listen. This is a coup. This is rich people funding bad science to put Sleeper in the White House.

1:27:13 Among the shareholders in Manchurian Global, you would find former presidents, supposed kings. Yeah, I get it. They're big. They're huge. Can you bring me rumors and conjectures? I started with Nightmares. Rumors, conjectures. That's a giant leap forward. Somebody got into our heads. Neurons got exposed and circus got rewired. I think you should leave. What are you doing? I gotta find out what's gonna happen and where it's gonna happen. He's delusional. So watch where you're going. You swore to me that this was fail-safe. No leaks, no glitches. I will do whatever is necessary to protect my son. We're gonna stop this and take them out. You don't think they factored you in?

1:28:01 Hello, Captain. Do you remember me? Wow. Okay, so having seen both the Frank Sinatra version, which is no way as cool when it comes to sound effects as the Den this is the Denzel Washington version, I guess. I don't know of any other one. Yes, 2004. The trailer from the previous version didn't have any sound at all. No, neither did the movie. The movie was not that great. I mean, by today's technical standards. But it was, of course, the brain. brainwashing of a former, I don't know, was it a Marine or military? Yeah, just say military, former soldiers.

1:28:47 Yeah. Brainwashed. But by who? In the movie? Yes. Corporation. Yes. Oh, that's Manchurian Corporation. Correct. Yes. I remember now. Yes. So now this is where I reach. Or you can call it a reach. But I have receipts. So I don't even need the damn theorem. I was going to fire it up, but he doesn't need it. No, not yet. Okay. Not yet. What I did see here is in the movie, you have a corporation made up of former presidents, billionaires.

1:29:29 So I'm not looking at the government here on this. We're going into 2016 election. We see George Soros has pumped billions of dollars into this whole Black Lives Matter movement. Yes. What's to say they're not organizations or factions out there that would go the next step to trigger individuals, which these two would be perfect candidates. You have hyper, hyper angry, anger. They're very traumatized by war. It was all the right elements. Sure. Yeah, because they have the functionality of being former soldiers.

CHAPTER 24 / 29 Discussion

Gavin Long on Gang Stalking and Psychological Abuse

In his first YouTube video, Gavin Long claimed to be a victim of "gang stalking," which he described as a form of psychological and spiritual assault. He argued that victims have a right to self-defense against this harassment. The hosts question why the media ignored his claims of mental distress and "targeted individual" status in favor of the BIE narrative.

gavin long· gang stalking· targeted individual· psychological abuse· marines· youtube

1:30:14 I mean, for long periods of time, I think one was like five years, the other one was four years. You can easily build a profile online on these two. So you can say that, no, this is the type of person that we want to push over the edge. Now, this is the point where everybody's saying, come on, Mo. No, I'm not. What the hell are you talking about? I'm liking it. I like where this is going. So what I did was I went and found Mr. Gavin's Long's first YouTube video. First off, self-preservation is the first law of nature. It's the same thing, same way as when America they put you on the mainstream, they put on the mainstream media that there's a new tyrant, a new enemy, and they go and physically do an assault on that country.

1:31:02 It's the same thing. And it's the same way how when I was in the Marines, I went and fought, you know, for the United States because it was a so-called enemy. So it's no other, it's not different from someone fighting against you and assaulting you and you protecting yourself. It's the same way. There's nothing wrong with it. You got the right to defend yourself at any moment if someone is assaulting you. And gang stalking is an assault on you physically, mentally, spiritually, emotionally, and psychologically.

1:31:39 So you got a right to defend yourself at any moment. You got a right to preserve your to preserve your life at any moment you choose and you're going to be right. Okay, so he's talking about being psychologically abused. Gavin Long says he was a victim of gang stalking. Yeah. Which is, as he said in the clip, it's psychological abuse. Did you hear this reported anywhere? No, of course not, Mo. I didn't even. No, I thought they would have deleted his YouTube channel by now. That's crazy. I'm amazed I found this. That's interesting. That is very interesting.

1:32:24 And what I find even more interesting is if I'm going to build a case against Gavin Long, right? I'm going to say this guy is crazy because he said he was gangstalked and gang stalking is clearly shows that he's not real and he shows signs of mental illness. I'll say why didn't they take that angle? It was no, I mean, because you could easily make that case and it's like one plus one is two. He was quote unquote, he thought he was being gangstalked, but that was signs of mental illness, which led to him doing what he did, wrapping up a nice bow, and it's over. Yeah, well, we can't have that. But they didn't, they that's that's not what that's not why it was set up.

CHAPTER 25 / 29 Discussion

Targeted Individuals and the Naval Shipyard Shooting

The discussion explores the "Targeted Individual" (TI) subculture, where people believe they are being harassed by government agencies using electronic weapons or community stalking. They reference the 2013 Washington Navy Yard shooter, Aaron Alexis, who also claimed to be targeted by low-frequency waves. The hosts suggest a pattern of military veterans reporting these specific psychological symptoms before committing violence.

targeted individual· gang stalking· naval shipyard shooting· low frequency· mk ultra· self-preservation

1:33:10 Right. But but why would he think he was gangstalk? Uh, let's just take him for his word. Okay. Uh, let's get into the second YouTube clip. I follow nature. I'm in tune with nature. Nowhere in nature, you're going to see a goddamn lying. protesting when a gang of hyenas come to attack his ass. He ain't going to be peaceful protesting, holding up signs. You're not going to see it in nature anywhere because self-preservation is the first law of nature. Every animal in nature, I know human beings are not animals, but you have the right to preserve yourself.

1:33:50 You can choose to, or you can, you don't have to fight back. That's the difference between human beings and animals. You have the choice, you see. But if you choose to fight back, there are no consequences. So that's the difference. So, and a lot of TIs that don't even know that harassment is a felony. Stalking with harassment is a damn felony. That's a felony charge. You definitely have the right to defend yourself. And if someone is, and you know, gang stalking is, they're trying to attempt you, they're trying to make you attempt suicide. That's attempted murder. If someone is trying to attempt you to force to force you into suicide, isn't that attempted murder?

1:34:31 Come on now. Let's open our eyes, get it together. Hey, defend yourself at all costs, stand in your righteousness, die in your righteousness, period. Wow. You know, June 10th, 2016. So this is before all this. Yes, this is his very first YouTube video. Right, but this is what he leaves off with. But I'm saying, I'm seeing an article from June 10th, 2016, New York Times, about a guy who complained that he was being gangstalked. And he uses the term TIs, which I just heard in

1:35:15 this video. And that stands for targeted individual. This is some paranoid stuff, man. Now, of course, it may be true, but this is people who believe that you're walking around and people bump into you on purpose and they're targeting you and they're harassing you. And you're a TI, a targeted individual. And there's groups of people who feel that they are also targeted individuals by this gang stalking. And this is so widespread. And this add on to the point you made, you remember the Naval Shipyard shooting? Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was another crazy one. He was saying they were using

1:35:56 low frequency. Yeah, he heard voices in his head. Right. He changed the hotel room three times. And he even took and carved on his shotgun. It was a low energy something weapon. So, I mean, we see these people, they're saying something. And like I said, either he's mentally ill, which would explain why he did what he did, or he's actually a TI, which explains why he did what he did. But we have to look and we have to look at what's going on here. And then you have the timeline of two former military people doing these type of shootings 10 days apart. But also with this article in the New York Times coming out

CHAPTER 26 / 29 Discussion

Vice on the Nightmare World of Gang Stalking

A Vice documentary segment examines the phenomenon of gang stalking, featuring individuals who believe they are being surveilled by drones and followed by groups of people. The hosts analyze how Vice frames the issue as a mix of legitimate government surveillance (NSA/FBI) and potential mental illness, noting the use of "lizard people" references to discredit the subject.

vice· gang stalking· nsa· fbi· drones· mental illness

1:36:41 before both shootings. Right. That's a coincidence. And on top of all that, Vice does especially on the nightmare world of gangstalk. Oh, how convenient. Scary music. This has many names. Gang stalking, mob stalking, community stalking. You're in the middle of this ridiculous, irrational impossibility that is real and is happening.

1:37:28 First, the Guardian revealed the National Security Agency is collecting telephone records of millions of Verizon customers who surveil someone through their phones, through their certainly through their television sets. The last year and a half, he's been systematically followed by a group of people. Does the FBI use drones for surveillance on U.S. soil? Yes, sir. New Associated Press investigation shows that the Bureau has its own little Air Force with scores of planes flying over American cities recording video and tracking cell phone conversations. He has a man outside of his house in a hood, like basically like a hood that looks and we can.

1:38:07 Well, this almost sounds like gang stalking or something. Have you heard of that? Many of the things that victims of gang stalking describe are also symptoms of mental disorders. We're not having a group hallucination. This is actually something that's happening. Yeah, they also call it satellite targeting and some of some people. believe that the satellites are used to put the common thread here is voices in your head telling you to do horrible things, which sounds a lot like MK Ultra to me. Which is always linked to governmental agencies. What I'm saying is, if corporate America or corporate interests want to sway, and that's the point, that's the whole narrative of man cheering candidate.

1:38:54 They're trying to get their guy in the White House or gal. In this case, in 2016, we had to show this racial unrest. How do we do it? We ratchet it up. We got people killing cops dead in the street. Wow. I'm just saying. Yeah, I'm just thinking what corporation, what corporation would that behoove? Open society. Or those types. I'm not just going to put it all. No, let's do it. Come on. Let's put it all on him. No, I mean, because he's an icon of many people like him, but they're just successful.

1:39:38 That's some sophisticated stuff, man. If he's going to those lengths, but I will say, he's the guy who, in I think, January of this year said, and he's like, well, we got to get rid of Trump. And I got to find this interview. And the question was, well, or the statement was, well, it's like eight months away. What are you going to do? And he says, in a revolution, eight months is a long time. So who the hell knows? But there you have it. So let's get, like I said, this is a reach, but we have one of the shooters in his own words saying that he's a TI or targeted individual.

1:40:23 And nobody latches on to this in the news media. It's kind of like self-rich. When something is not reported, that's even more glaring than when they do report. Exactly. Exactly. This is a slam. I mean, you could roll this footage of him saying, oh, he's a, and the last clip we heard him say, the signs of mental illness, it rights itself. Why ignore it? Yeah, well, why? Yes, that's because it's not what, that was not the desired outcome. So let's just get more into in this next clip how gang stalking actually works.

CHAPTER 27 / 29 Discussion

Psychological Warfare and the Lizard People Trope

The hosts discuss the mechanics of gang stalking, where small, petty acts are allegedly used to drive a person to suicide or violence. They critique the media's tendency to lump serious discussions of psychological warfare with "lizard people" tropes to marginalize the information. Adam Curry warns Moe to report any "voices" he might hear that aren't coming through his headphones.

psychological warfare· gang stalking· vice· lizard people· mk ultra· targeted individuals

1:41:03 The gang stalking experience started for me when I noticed these black SUVs and other police vehicles driving slowly along the street, but they never came up to me or said anything. And then I had seven or eight helicopters hovering directly over my apartment. And then it goes, and it keeps happening, keeps happening. And it begins to dawn on me that something is going on. And this continued on. Here comes the gangstalking helicopter. Here it comes. It's confusing to humans trying to understand gang stalking.

1:41:42 Why would they do this to me? Why would they do these weird, petty little things that, you know, may even just irritate me at some moment? If you were to ask me what gang stalking is, it's a way to slowly kill people using their own decisions. Wow. Wow. This is great. This is good stuff. Now that you brought that last statement to what he said, what happened in Baton Rouge. Just let that sink in. They use your own decisions to make you kill yourself. Jeez. Gavin Long said, what? They try to force you to kill yourself.

1:42:27 He ends up from Kansas City. I said St. Louis before, but Kansas City, all the way Baton Rouge, behind a beauty supply store and all black with two guns to ambush cops. How does that happen? 10 days after we have this mass shooting in Dallas. Yeah, the voices in his head. And nobody wants to even. We saw the same, like I said, we saw the same thing with the shipyard shooting. These people, he changed hotel rooms three times in one night. Yeah. What is going on? I don't have answers. I have questions. And it's just something that we need to investigate. But Vice digs in a little more and gets to the bottom of gang stalking.

1:43:10 When I told my family about this, it's almost like I get like a non-sequitur reply from a computer. It's like it was just they could. just kind of look at me like, I'm not even, I'm not even hearing this. And I'm really not interested in that. My father, the rocket scientist, the doctorates in mathematics, when I tell him anything about this, one of the main points of discrediting me is saying that it's like, it's just, you just have to be negative and dark about everything. You have to, because of your own dissatisfaction at being unemployed. I mean, that's a highly, you know, it's an understandable point of view.

1:43:50 It's like somebody who's disgruntled with life in general might flock to an idea. Yeah, there's evil reptilians doing it all to us. And that's why I'm so miserable or whatever. Hold on, I got to hear that bit again. That was great. It's an understandable point of view. It's like somebody who's disgruntled with life in general might flock to an idea. Yeah, there's evil reptilians doing it all to us. And that's why I'm so miserable or whatever. Uh-oh. Hmm. Mo, promise me, if you ever hear voices in your head and you're not wearing your headphones and it's not me, call me.

1:44:31 You will be. Yeah, one of the first people. Call me. You see what Vice did there? Did you see what they did there? It's the sleight of hand. You make you seem like you're covering it seriously. Oh, of course. And then there's the lizard people. Of course. But that's actually what these guys are saying, no doubt. Like I said, it always comes back to the rep. Well, and it also discredits what we're doing here. Because obviously there's a large contingent that could be identified as reptilian believers. Whether it's literal or figurative doesn't make that much difference, but it's kind of, it's like a BIE of conspiracy podcasters.

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Fasika Tafara and Evidence of Home Intrusion

A news report from San Diego features Fasika Tafara, a mother who found evidence of intruders in her home, including open cabinets and a camera in her son's bedroom. She recorded audio of people rummaging in her house and discovered a hole cut into her attic. The hosts use this as evidence that "gang stalking" claims may have a basis in physical reality rather than just hallucination.

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1:45:19 Believers in reptilians. They plant these stories out there that you latch onto and then it discredits you. But I was prepared for that. Of course. I came prepared to not be discredited. San Diego, Mom. It's the thing nightmares are made of. You know, it's so creepy that I decided to have a bolt put on the door and I'm having my son sleep in here with me. Creepy only begins to describe it. It's like an alternate reality, really. When she'd get home from work, Fasika Tafara started noticing things out of place in her home. They were just all open, but what was weird is, so for example, they were open like this, but they were all at the same level.

1:46:01 First, the windows, then lights turned on, her cabinets pulled out. It's intended to let me know that somebody has been here, essentially, right? So all of the drawers have been pulled out. Something strange every single day for almost the past month. She finally realized someone has been coming inside. Are people following me? And then I started to wonder also, well, how do they know when I'm here and when I'm not here? Then Tafara found this small. Well, I'm riveted. What did she find? We're going to find out in a minute. But this is an example of how they do this thing. They just come to your house, slide out drawers, open windows, leave stuff where you know it shouldn't be.

1:46:47 And hey, Mo, hold on a second. Hold on, hold on a second. Was the Navy shipyard? Was that a naval guy, I think, right? The Navy shipyard. Yes. Was that a black guy as well? Yes, he was. Well, holy mackerel. What are the chances of that? And this woman, this mom, is she white, black? What is she? Black. Black. Shit, man. I don't hear this with white people. Do we have any white people examples? Oh, you know, it's not in the media, but in the community. Oh, in the community. I'm sure. I'm sure. Yeah. But you just don't hear the. And then people speak in the vice clip, the one that said about the reptilians, he was a white man.

1:47:30 Well, of course. Scoffing on the reptiles. Sure. He's trying to stay safe. That's interesting. But I don't want to leave you all hanging on the edge. No, please. So let's find out what she found. Then Tafara found this small camera in her 11-year-old son's bedroom. So she took to the internet and started digging. What she found? Something called community or gang stalking. It's an eerie practice aimed at your psyche to make you almost feel like you're going crazy. It's spooky, and my understanding is that if this is in fact what it is, it can go on for years. Only you're not. Tafara left her phone recording audio at her house. Listen, you can hear what sounds like people rummaging around.

1:48:15 On one, you can hear what sounds like brewing. So, this hole here has been cut into the attic space. Tafara says detectives have been to the house. It's kind of like, you know, if it happens again, call us, but there's not much we can do. Something that makes this even more terrifying. Wow, this is great. We can do a whole nother show just on TI. Yes. But for the people who want to poo-poo what Gavin Long was saying, this lady put a camera. I mean, put a phone in her house, recorded evidence of people walking around her home, dinking around in her home.

1:48:58 What is going on here? And you being the off-the-grid guy, OTG. Yeah. You let me know what's going on. Shit. That's really interesting, especially that. Well, again, if you hear any voices, Mo, call me immediately. I'll do the same, but it doesn't seem to target white podcasters. Right. So it's just, it's very interesting. I'm not saying I know what happened, but when you start connecting the dots and you see how this term cropped up and you see what they use as the genesis for and the catalyst for creating this term, and then you

CHAPTER 29 / 29 Discussion

Final Thoughts on BIE and Outro

Moe concludes the investigation into Black Identity Extremists by suggesting that the truth will eventually reveal itself. Adam Curry expresses interest in researching "Extremely Low Frequency" (ELF) waves for future episodes. The show ends with a final call for "value for value" support and a musical outro featuring Dionne Warwick's "Don't Make Me Over."

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1:49:44 start looking at the individuals, even Jeff's section himself said, we, yeah, yo, the four dead bodies, it was the was the motive for us doing this. Wow. Well, I know. Well, yes, and I thank you. Thank you for doing this, Mo. You really took me for a ride on this last 20 minutes. It's great. I'm going to look into this some more because now I'm looking at ELF, extremely low frequencies. How does that work? I'm more interested than ever. Let me put it that way. But we know that sooner or later, whether it's us or someone else, they're going to figure it out.

1:50:26 This is true. And also, as I always say, when it starts with us, you'll start to see it crop over. You ask it why it's only targeted towards us. Just give it some time. Yeah, it's just like give it some time. It's just like you get a new bike and you see the same bike everywhere. Yeah, you watch. It'll happen to you. So that's my rap on BIE. I love it, Mo. My theory on how this whole thing played out. Well, we've learned a lot. I think we have work for our producers, actually. Producers get to work. Let's learn more about this. Let's see if you have anything you can share with us, any information, any leads. I'd love to be able to follow up on this one in a future episode.

1:51:11 And a reminder to everybody, this is a value for value program. If you got any value out of this, please let us know. Go to mofax.com or direct to our donation page at mofundme, M-O-E-F-U-N-D-M-E dot com. And as I always say, pay attention to everything and the truth will reveal itself. And I look forward to whatever truths we get next week. We'll probably still be on lockdown, but I look forward to it, Mo. Take care of yourself, buddy. All right. Have a good one, Adam. And all of you, remember to support us, mofax.com. See you next week.

1:51:51 Don't make me over now that I do anything for you. Don't make me over. Now that you know how I adore you. Don't kick on the things I say. The things I do. You love me with all my heart. The way that I love you. I'm begging you. Don't make me over. I know that I can make it without you.

1:52:38 Don't make me over. I wouldn't change one thing about you. Just take me inside your arms and hold me tight and always be by my side. If I am alright, I'm begging you. Don't make me over. Don't make me over Now that you touch me and you're command

1:53:23 Accepting for what I am Accepting for the things that I do Except for what I am Accepting for the things that I do Now that I can make it without you I wouldn't change one thing about you Accepting for what I am Excepting for the things that I do

1:54:09 Except me for what I am Oh, accepting for the thing that I do