25: The Kobe Beef

00:02 MoFax with Adam Curry for February 11th, 2020. This is episode number 25 coming up on a six-month monthiversary. How you doing, Mo? I'm doing good, Adam. How about yourself? Yeah, fantastic. Man, the next episode will be six months of consistent MoFax with Adam Curry programming. Wow. That's a nice milestone. Yeah. Well, for us, it is, certainly. And who knew? I had no idea. We went into this, and I don't know. It could be a couple shows. And it looks like we're stuck together for a while now. And I still don't know what this is, but I'm loving it. You neither. Oh, before we start, I want to ask you a question.

00:47 I was watching the New Hampshire primaries. And for me, it's always interesting to watch what the so-called analysts are saying because they're all paid by someone to say something. And I heard Joy Reed actually say that now that Biden is off the radar, which he is, and of course, I think that's because they only need him for impeachment. They dropped him. She said, and she said African American, so she meant Ados, although, gee, you'll never hear her use that term unless it's followed by Russian bot. She said now, oh, yeah, no, the black vote, they're all going to go to Bloomberg.

01:28 And I said, really? So I wanted to ask you if you thought that had any validity. Wrong. Isn't that crazy that she was... I don't see it happening because it's well, that's the narrative that they're pushing. I saw a poll on MSNBC the other day that Biden and Bloomberg is neck and neck for the black vote in South Carolina. I think I was looking because, you know, Biden went straight to South Carolina, didn't even hang around for his battering in New Hampshire. It looked like he was setting up at a Nation of Islam clubhouse. I swear to God. It was like the, I saw the kind of like the flag on the wall. Like, what the hell?

02:12 Where the hell is he? He's going straight deep into territory. It's unbelievable. Wow. Yeah. Okay. I mean. Yeah, we'll have to see. Anyway, I just wanted to make sure that I wasn't nuts. I mean, I know Joy Reed has agendas and she does not, you know, she's like, she's speaking on behalf of Ados. Yeah. No. He's like, well, you know, I know exactly. Black women won't do that. African-American women just say, who do we vote for? We'll vote over there. Okay. You might have that wrong, Joy Reed, this time around. Well, no, Bloomberg is synonymous with stop and frisk. Right. Exactly. How can you, that's what I mean. How can you even suggest it? Isn't that like the number one guy that would be

02:54 despised? Well, they've been given their talking points. We know Bloomberg has deep pockets. Yeah. So that's the guy they want him to want to be. I mean, you got what you got? Two socialists. Oh, yeah. No, I know exactly why. I just wanted to make sure that I wasn't nuts because she said it with such conviction. I'll play it on no agenda on Thursday. We'll talk about it. Well, what? It's a good lead-in to where we're headed. Well, hey. Well, hold on a second. All right, right. Here we go and go. Spin the wheel. The wheel. The wheel of topics. Spin it good. Spin the wheel. Where it stops, nobody knows.

03:40 The wheel of topics. That's right. We got the wheel of topsic jingle now, Moe. Like we're becoming a real podcast. We have sound imaging. I see that. So now I have to actually spin the wheel. And, Mo, what is it going to be? Where does the lucky wheel stop today? What is our topic for MoFax with Adam Curry 25? Kobe Beam Bryant and the fallout of his demise. Oh, man. I'm so glad you're doing this, Mo, because I spent more than I typically would, like really like a minute extra on this Snoop Gail King thing.

04:22 And I'm like, let me see what's going on here. And then, you know, and then we get Susan Rice of all people. Curry goggles, Curry, goggles. Sorry. All right. I put the Curry muzzle on, too. Okay. Anyway, so I saw that and I actually thought to myself, is this worth my time? I have to make decisions about stuff. I'm like, is this worth my time? And I have to honestly say, like, no, I just can't. We got flu. Wuhan flew. We got all kinds of stuff happening, the economics of it. And here we are. You picked it up. And so I know we're in for a grand.

04:59 grand ride. So the reason why I chose this topic is I didn't want to do it at first because I thought it was kind of just overexposed. And yeah, it's like a show business. Being honest with you, a lot of podcasters were chasing the clicks. Oh, of course. I never tried to do that. No. I never try to chase the clicks. If you notice on our podcast titles, we do ourselves no favors. The most complicated titles code, basically, that you have to figure out to even want to listen to it. Yes, you're right. Right. So I never covered this. We talked about it maybe two minutes on one of our previous, just to show acknowledge, you know, that he passed away.

05:42 Right. But the aftermath and all the nuances. And I figured a lot of people didn't really witness what they were seeing. Now, you are, I know you're a football fan. You an NBA fan as well? Yes. Okay. All right. Big time. Basketball. Baseball. That's about the only two sports I'm really into. Well, so let's just, for people who are new, I know nothing. I was able to completely deconstruct the helicopter crash. I'm very good at that, but I know nothing about sports. Kobe's just a name to me. So I have no dog in the hunt, whatever, but I'm also ignorant. So I just want to set that up because I may sound stupid from time to time.

06:27 No, it's good because you don't come into it biased by being a fan or a non-yes, absolutely. I'm completely non-biased, unaffiliated, etc. So I'll bounce things off of you and you tell me if I'm reaching or if it makes sense. All right. So what we're going to pick up is the actual Kobe Bryant's death. Jimmy Roberts in our NBC sports studios. By now, you've likely heard the shocking and terrible news. NBA superstar Kobe Bryant, 41 years of age, was killed in a helicopter crash earlier today just outside of Los Angeles. Total of five people have been reported to have perished in the accident. Five-time NBA champion, who is a candidate for the Hall of Fame this year, was known to have used a helicopter to travel for years, dating back to when he played for the Lakers and commuted from Newport Beach to the Staples Center.

07:18 This, the scene, just moments ago in Denver prior to the Nuggets game against the Houston Rockets. Elsewhere, the sports world, understandably convulsed in immediate shock and sadness. Bill Russell, the Hall of Fame center for the Celtics, says, you were my biggest fan, Kobe, but I was yours as well. Patrick Mahomes with the Kansas City Chiefs on his way to the Super Bowl, expressing the thoughts of many. RIP Mamba using the nickname that Kobe Bryant was known by. And Tom Brady, not much to say. We miss you already, Kobe. Details are still emerging. The LA County Sheriff's Department has scheduled a 5 o'clock Eastern Time press conference.

08:03 NBC News will bring that to you. Again, terrible news on this day. Bryant is survived by his wife, Vanessa, and their four daughters. My thoughts are with them. Hey, can I give my immediate observation? Sure. That we heard football guys speaking out. Yeah, yeah. I'm just saying, Mahomes and Tom Brady. It's like, yeah, I would have expected more basketball player mentions, but okay. I think the basketball players took it harder, so they were slower to this. It was like right after, because even in the clip, they said the body count was only five. And he said there was survival. I think, I don't know if it played out or not, but he said he was survived by four daughters.

08:47 So this was even before it was. This is like starting at the very beginning at the very, very beginning. Got it. Just a little background on my viewpoint of Kobe. We're almost the same age. He was 41. I turned 40 this year. Kind of like grew up together. He went straight to the NBA from high school. That was kind of rare at the time. But it was seen as quite an achievement, no? Yeah. Oh, man. It was, I mean, he was a phenomenon. He was like, maybe, the way I put it is he was the first iteration of LeBron James.

09:27 Okay, got it. Of an NBA-ready, you know, superstar. I mean, he dated Brandy. He took her to the prom. I mean, this guy was like the just for me being in high school was like, you know, you just gravitate towards the guy. And then he had a great, well, his image was great because he had a clean-cut image and he was kind of like juxtaposed to Alan Iverson. Iverson, who was the bad boy of the NBA at the time. So Kobe was the good guy. Okay, I got you. All right. So there's your wrestling element. Right. So that's where we're at.

10:05 So now we're at the point Kobe has just died and it was like a kick in the stomach for a lot of people. Even myself. I mean, I'm not a crier or nothing like that. And I'm not what they call a quote-unquote fanboy. But I was like, dang, somebody my age that you know you grew up watching is dead. I mean, that makes you kind of. Yeah, makes you stop. Sure. Don't worry. You get used to it. You get used to it, Mo. Yeah, that's the problem. Like, I mean, at this age, like, wow, like, whoa, my brother called me. I was like, okay. So I did like everybody else. I cut on all the news that we could get. I'm looking through social media. I'm just trying to see if it's real, if it's going to come back. No, it wasn't that. That was the case.

10:50 And I started watching the timeline. And right off the bat, there was a slip of a word by Miss Allison Morse. Athlete, the kind of star that was perfectly cast on the Los Angeles Nakers Los Angeles Lakers Cavita. If I could ask you to stay with us, we're going to have athlete the kind of star that was perfectly cast on the Los Angeles Niggers Los Angeles Lakers Cavita. If I could ask you to stay with us, we're going to. Yeah, the whole world saw this, I think. That was quite the retweet. So this was maybe an hour or hours, couple of hours right after the news had been announced.

11:34 And like that just set for my timeline, for my black timeline, like, what did she say? Now, there is some conversation. Did she say the N-word? Are you hearing the N-word? That's kind of things like one of that dress thing with the, is it blue and gold or is it, you know, you know, the striped dress. Well, you know what her excuse was. Was yeah, she said she was trying to, yeah, go ahead. She's what I what I heard is she said, yeah, she was mixed up between the Lakers and the Knicks. Of course, Kobe's never played for the Knicks. He's played against the Knicks. And that's why it came out Knicks. Right. To me, it did sound a little more K-ish than G-ish. And

12:18 no matter, I mean, everybody heard what it sounded like. There's no disagreement about that. Zero. We all know what it sounded like. And it was just a fucked up moment. Now, this is the debate. That's why I brought the dress thing where some people saw it, but blue and black. You know, the viral image I'm talking about where half the people were divided on what color was the dress. So this is the case. This is the case of what dimension you're in and what did you hear. Now, I did my due diligence and I went and found slowed down audio. That's usually my job. Nice. All right. So

13:03 we can get to the bottom. I think this is an Eddie Murphy bit where the N-word is really drawn out really slowly. Okay. Right. So let's just hear for the people, for the listeners, let's just hear what we hear. Deep fake research. Here we go. All right. Here we go. Yeah, it seems like he was just the kind of athlete, the kind of star that was perfectly cast on the Los Angeles Nakers, Los Angeles, Lagos. Cavita. If I could ask you to stay with us, we're going to go Nakers, Nakers, Nakers, Nakers, Los Angeles, Lakers, Los Angeles, Lakers, Los Angeles, Lagos, Los Angeles, Lagos, Nagers, Los Angeles, Lagos, Nagers, Los Angeles, Lagos, Nagers, Los Angeles, Lagos, Nakers, Nakers, Los Angeles, Lakers, Los Angeles, Lakers.

13:48 Yeah, it seems like he was just the kind of athlete, the kind of star that was perfectly cast on the Los Angeles Nakers, Los Angeles, Lagos. Cavita. If I could ask you to stay with us, we're going to go Nakers, Nakers, Nakers, Nagers, Los Angeles, Lakers, Los Angeles, Lagos, Los Angeles, Lagos, Los Angeles, Lagos, Nagers, Los Angeles, Lakers, Nagers, Los Angeles, Lagos, Nagers, Los Angeles, Lagos, Nagers, Nakers, Los Angeles, Lakers, Los Angeles, Lakers. Well, okay, I certainly, yes, you can, you can certainly hear it as a full-on N-word that way. I heard it here, certainly. I'm on that side of the fence. Now, what she meant to say, I'm not getting inside her brain, but what was heard is the most important thing.

14:32 And people were shooting to cancel her immediately. So they signed a petition. Now, I think NBC let her go or suspended her work. Oh, really? I couldn't find a... Yes, I couldn't find. She's in hiding right now. Journalist hiding right now. Like, we, you know, when you're in that in-between zone where we don't really want to fire you, but you're in purgatory. Yeah. Yeah. Now, do you think? So I guess if that word comes out like that, and of course, it is kind of interesting to think, was she being scripted?

15:13 Because everything on these shows is scripted. Everything. And so it would be very rare if this was a breaking news moment, which I, which it kind of sounds like, but the breaking news was hers to ad lib. That's not, that may happen, but it's not that typical. Although this case was such a shock. So there's, I want to say that there could be some prompter weirdness going on. Like Anchorman? Like somebody. No, no, no. Yeah. Oh, dude, most of my professional life I worked with teleprompters. Now, I have to say, I'm very good at reading and reading in and around

15:56 what's on the copy. But if something weird is there, you know, or something stumbles, I don't know. That word is not something that flips floops out of my mouth at all, ever. So it's something that something that she must have said sometime. I don't know. I don't want to accuse her, but I can certainly put myself in both dimensions, but I hear it too. I hear it. Okay. So what I'm doing here is setting the tone. So we have a huge celebrity pass away. Yeah. And a couple hours later, you hear this. And like the timeline is like goes into a blaze, right? So next,

16:37 we have Miss Felicia Sonmez. She goes to tweeting about Kobe Bryant. The Washington Post has suspended one of its reporters after tweeting an article link including rape accusations from the early 2000s about NBA legend Kobe Bryant. Felicia Somnaz is a political reporter for the Post. She has since deleted the tweet, but has reportedly received thousands of death threats and her home address has even been doxxed online. For reaction, let's bring in Bill Goody Koontz. He's a media critic for the Arizona Republic joining us from Phoenix Bill. Has the Washington Post mishandled this situation? How did this all happen? And then what was the reaction?

17:19 I think they have mishandled it. I think that they've overreacted. I think that the assault charges against Bryant were, well, certainly not the big part of the story. They belong in any complete story when you're writing about the reaction to his death and to a complete picture of his life. It's certainly not what you would lead with. It's not the most important part of the story as it's breaking, particularly in the way he died. I mean, he did not die of a lingering illness or anything. I mean, I think it was because it was so sudden and because he was so beloved by so many people that that's in part why she got that reaction.

17:59 It wasn't just her. Anybody who wrote about that or mentioned it got a similar reaction. Yeah, I followed this a little bit too, of course. So make a note of that. What he just said. Whoever said anything about that case got this reaction. I mean, she received death threats. Right. She was doxed. My view on that is it's the blue check mark brigade trying to get some attention. It was completely unnecessary. She could have done that in two weeks or whatever. It was all about getting attention. It was, to me, disgusting. I don't care who it is. Yeah, and she looked at him as an easy target because for clicks, for her own clicks.

18:43 Yeah, not even that. This is purely egotism. Oh, I'm going to make sure everybody knows this. It's like cancel culture bullcrap. True, I'm just saying she looked at him as an easy target. Like, yeah, he was, he was charged or had an accusation made against him. So my sisters and feminism will be with me to basically what they call drag. Yeah, that's who she was talking to. Sure. Right, right. So, so the WAPO gets criticized for their actions. The Washington Post is being criticized for suspending a reporter over a series of tweets in the wake of Kobe Bryant's death.

19:25 The post said Monday it had placed Felicia Sonmez on paid administrative leave after she tweeted a 2016 Daily Beast article about Bryant's rape case hours after the former NBA star died in a helicopter crash. Sonmez's post generated a lot of backlash on social media, and she later tweeted she'd received. received thousands of abuse and death threats. She also tweeted a screenshot of her email inbox, which displayed some of those abusive messages and the names of the people who'd sent them. According to the New York Times, the Post executive editor told her via email her tweets represented a real lack of judgment, and she was hurting this institution by doing this.

20:05 Shortly afterwards, Son Mez deleted the tweets at the direction of a managing editor. That managing editor said later in a statement, the tweets displayed poor judgment that undermined the Washington Post work, and that the newspaper was reviewing whether the tweets violated its social media policy. The Post Newsroom Union, the newspaper guild, protested Sonmez's suspension in a letter Monday, urging the newspaper to take immediate steps to ensure her safety and to issue a statement condemning abuse of its reporters. I hate this so much. So she was posting screenshots of death threats in her email.

20:42 That's what she was doing. Yes. And she's saying that she violated one of the most important rules of journalism. Don't make yourself the story. And she did that. So I have no respect for her no matter what. Right. What we have here is you have the Nakergate that stirred up the black social media crowd. Question. And then you have. Is there anywhere in the parlance, maybe amongst the team or fans of the team? Has anyone ever called them the Los Angeles Nakers? And you know what word I meant, obviously. Is that like a joke, a thing that people say? No. Okay. Never heard. All right. I'll check out how she got there.

21:27 Yeah, no. No. All right. I'm done. I can't go. Yeah. I just had to ask that. It was bugging me. All right. Another thing we had to realize, too, I think we've touched on this before is sports in America is a religion. It's a religion. Yes. When you see these guys' jerseys being burned when they leave the team, it's because their gods are leaving their team. And so when you come and smear one of their gods' names on the very day that he dies, you're going to get this reaction. Yeah, of course. You're going to get this reaction. And I don't think that was really race-based because just the reason why I say that is

22:13 it wasn't race-based from the fans because you have some rabbit Kobe fans of all colors. Of course, of all nationalities. So I don't want to make it seem like I want to put each one of these things in the buckets that they go because it's going to matter later. Okay. Kobe fans are so he has some of the most rabbit fans. When LeBron James decided to come to LA to play, these artists would go paint murals for LeBron James. And basically, they would get tagged saying, no, this would be Kobe's town. That's right. So I'm just setting the scene for you.

22:54 Yeah, quiet there, son. This is Kobe's house here. Yeah, this is Kobe's house. I mean, that was the sentiment. Like, LeBron would never replace Kobe. So I'm just giving you the context of how much he was loved in LA and the world, but in LA, you know what I'm saying, especially. So let's continue on with the next WAPO clip. But late Tuesday, the Post lifted Sonmez's suspension. In a statement to Newsy, it said, After conducting an internal review, we have determined that while we consider Felicia's tweets ill-timed, she was not in clear and direct violation of our social media policy.

23:32 Yeah, all right. So I guess the guild or I mean, the writers' union leaned on the WAPO. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It's free speech, man. And one thing I've noticed is the media stick together regardless. Whenever it's the media versus anybody, the media is going to stick together. And no matter how wrong that person is, they're going to make justifications for, you know, it's journalistic integrity. And I had to, you know, I had they had to ask the tough questions, you know. So that's that's what we're

24:10 that's where we're headed. Of course, I know exactly. Yeah, that that is when do you ask the tough questions is always uh the uh right is important at timing is everything. Uh, so we have Miss Lindsey Granger on Granger from the Daily Blast. She goes and checks Felicia Sonmes. I'm looking at the journalist Felicia, and she is somebody who has gone through sexual assault herself. And she said that in the Washington Post, she. she released an article a couple of years ago detailing her experience. So, as a journalist, which is not what we do, we are a talk show with the buddy. And I was a journalist for 10 years prior to taking this job.

24:49 So, as a journalist, it's our job to objectively report the news. I know that that would be tough if you're someone who survived sexual assault. But when I'm looking at the story, she didn't give the story any context. And she got upset that she was being attacked on Twitter for tweeting a link that basically was condemning Kobe's character and accusing him of rape. But I think her job as a journalist was to put that in context. You have the responsibility and you need to have the journalistic acumen to write the full story. Go to the Washington Post and say, This man is a nuanced character. This man has a detailed layered history that we need to discuss. But don't just tweet that out and be the political reporter for the Washington Post and tweet that and leave it there because you're leaving yourself open to the attacks that you're now receiving.

25:26 And so, whether or not she should be fired, you know, I think that she should be put on leave like she was. I think it's inappropriate because we're in a time where we don't know what journalism is anymore. We have our president that attacks journalists, we have TMZ that broke the news to Vanessa Bryant that her husband passed away. You know, what are we doing now? Yeah, this is this is again, it's uh, this takes it one. This is what the machine is. This is how the machine works. Oh, good. We've made it about us. Let's talk about us. Let's talk about how the president is mean to us and it's so hard. We've got these click fuckers over there from TMZ doing horrible shit. This is Khashoggi. You know what I'm saying? It's like it's all exactly Khashoggi.

26:11 All the other stuff he did. I mean, just to put it out, it's only about because that's and if anything, if my life's work is that people realize it's better to turn the television off, I will have succeeded. This is this is yeah, and I'm here to join you on that mission. Uh, of course, we have we have to really understand what the media is. And the reason why I brought it up brought up Khashoggi is no matter what his negatives were, the fact that he was a member of the quote-unquote member of the media, they whitewashed all that. Yeah, and it was like, oh, he's a hero, he was a journalist. You know, he has some nefarious things going on with him.

26:54 But when the shoe's on the other foot, they don't have that same mentality. It's like, oh, yeah, we could drag this guy for clicks and way to come up. That's, I like that term, drag him. That's cool. I like that. Yeah, so as Miss Lindsey Granger pointed out here, TMZ is the one that broke the news to Kobe's wife that he was dead. We got a tip that this had happened, and then we were on the phone with various people from Kobe's camp for an hour before we posted the story.

27:30 So, you know, all I can say is this: that you know, when somebody of that magnitude dies so tragically, this becomes a worldwide massive story. And when you look at the way these things come down, I mean, when you think about it, when there's a plane crash, when you think about it, the media immediately says, you know, flight so-and-so going from Los Angeles to New York, you know, and they're basically telling 300 families, knowing that their relatives were in the plane, because it's a news event and they're not waiting for, you know, the sheriff or whoever to come out with all of

28:18 the notifications or whatever because they report it because it's a news event. This, in our judgment, was such a big news event that once we got, and by the way, we got it confirmed by Kobe's people that ultimately that's what happened. That's that's how we ended up posting it. Good for you, Harvey. You followed all the journalistic rules. Very good. So you got in touch with Kobe's people or his camp, but his wife was blindsided by y'all news and you said you talked to him for an hour. That's disgusting. I mean, like, how can you not say, okay, we need to get in touch with the wife first before you post it?

28:59 Well, you know why. Yeah, because they want to be the first to the headline. I knew it, man. And Monday. That's just disgusting. The public loves it. The public loves it. You can't deny it. People love it. They want to know. They need info. Give me clicks. Click, click, click, click, think. I did it all. Which is true, but if you're on the phone with the camp, you would think to say, have you talked to his wife yet? Does she know? You know, before we run this thing out here, but I have such disdain for TMZ and their parasites. yeah, it's soulless. Yes, parasites. Correct. Because honestly, my personal belief is TMZ is like a

29:45 commercial form of an alphabet organization. They have their spies everywhere, hotels, restaurants. And this is how they operate. I mean, they have tentacles everywhere. Well, it's better than that. They gladly take tips from people everywhere. Their number is well known. People call in all the time and they pay him. Yeah, and not only that, I mean, they say they have these random people that call them. I think they actually have plants in the hot spots to chip them off. Sure, they do. I want to give an example because TMZ Hands is not clean in this whole

30:26 tearing down of Kobe. And this was right when Kobe Bryant won his Oscar for his short story and the film that was made out of it. I want you to hear one of the TMZ parasites. And I'm going to use that term for them because that's what they are. They just feed like parasites. I mean, they just try to suck anything they can. Listen to him running around at the Oscars where Kobe received his award trying to stir up controversy. Kobe Bryant's win. Yeah. There's a lot of people that are saying because he had some accusations in the past and they're kind of surprised that he won.

31:05 What's your reaction to that? I don't know. I would like to think, I really don't know. All I can say is I'm kind of woefully ignorant about the situation. But my hope is that the project itself was judged on its merits. And that's why it won't. That would be my hope. Sorry, I didn't have a more interesting. No, you're good. No, that's great. My answer. You know, fix a lot. I got to ask you real quick what you thought about Kobe winning the Oscar. Yeah, well, that was incredible. Really? There are a lot of people, even though he's been accused of things in the past. Do you think that... I'm going to be honest with you. I know nothing about movies. You know nothing about what movies? I don't watch movies. Oh, you don't watch? Okay, he won't for best animated documentary. Okay. So, but he's like, you know, had some accusations in the past.

31:50 Do you think that matters? I have a lot of thoughts on a lot of things like that, but I'm going to keep it political and not talk. Hey, what do you think about Kobe Bryant winning an Oscar? Yay. That's amazing. Yeah. Even in light of the whole Me Too movement going on, he had the allegations years ago. Is that okay that he won Oscar now? Well, I don't know. I don't know much about his background. I mean, besides his career, but... Sure. Yeah, I think that's great that he won. Nice. Yeah, this is the parasite trick. You know, this was, of course, right in the middle of the Me Too movement, which was big at the Oscars amongst the Virtue Signalers.

32:37 And this guy was literally told by, I presume, Harvey, go there and ask everybody about the rape allegations. And if they think it's okay, just ask them that. And that's exactly what he did because the guy's a bot. He's just like, what do you think? And it's funny because I always hear these guys. He's also trying to suck up to the stars. He doesn't want to be too embarrassing. You know, hey, man, hey, hey, you know, what do you think? And it's what we do in American media, particularly if you are a king or a hero or at the top. Yeah, we'd like to bring people down and then we have the comeback kid. It's what we do. And this was perfect because, oh, let's call some people out for hypocrisy or something like that.

33:20 It's a machine move. So to the machine, Kobe had gotten the green light or a pass because he received his Oscar. He didn't really get heckled or booed at the Oscar. So that was like a weird thing. You would think the Me Too crowd would have really struck it up on him, but they never could get any traction. So that just made me wonder, like, you know, yeah, but Mo, if I can just interject, I mean, Kobe certainly at that moment in his life and career represented huge money, huge corporate interest, big goggles, sorry. No, you're good. You're good. No, I mean,

34:04 you were and he's black. Did I mention that? Oh, yeah. So, no. Well, that's that. You were on a roll there until now. He's untouchable, man. No, that's a negative in this kind of. But the money thing, he works with Nike. Hollywood saw that he had chops to create content. He was a content creator. creator. So they saw past. Yeah, they saw past it like hands off. Nope. I mean, even at the Oscars, no, if you notice, even when they were asked the question, I don't know nothing about Kobe. I'm not that forever. Everybody had been coached up to say,

34:51 Yeah, I'm just here to celebrate life tonight, everybody. Right. Well, in the passing of Kobe, is one guy that didn't get the message, and that's Mr. Ari Shafir. In all, nine lives were taken in the helicopter crash in Calabasas, with countless lives beyond affected by a no-sugarcoating it devastating tragedy. That was until one comedian rubbed salt in an open wound. As I know, there's always a lot of like hate pain in the world, and there's always a bunch of terrible stories. Meet Ari Shafir. Every once in a while, there's a good story. A good story comes out. The guy who got away with rape got his today.

35:36 Kobe Bryant is a god. I'm here at Charlotte, the home of the team that originally drafted him. Maybe he wouldn't have ripped that chick in Denver if he had been stayed in Charlotte with the Hordets. Shafir with an upper echelon categorization of tone-deaf reactions. It gets worse. Shafir tweeted, Kobe Bryant died 23 years too late. He got away with rape because all the Hollywood liberals who attack comedy enjoy rooting for the Lakers more than they dislike rape. Big ups to the hero who forgot to gas up his chopper. I hate the Lakers. What a great day. He claimed he was hacked, but you get the point. Oh, brother.

36:15 Another dickhead who's just, ooh, let me do this and I'll get attention because I never heard of Ari David Shafir before. Yes. But in all, in all being a butthole, he did say some truth there that we even foreshadowed to that the liberal Hollywood had plans for Kobe. Yes. So this is from TYT, just to let people know. This is from Young Turk Sports. And watch how in this next clip, the narrator doesn't let opportunity to politicize this get past him.

36:56 Side note, the Hollywood liberals argument. Quick example. Studios are contributing aplenty to the NRA and pro-gun politicians, discarding the lives lost to gun violence each and every day in America, including Netflix, Warner Brothers, plus Comcast, the corporate parent of Universal. Pertaining to Ari, many notables shared their opinions. Oh. So now he's that, oh, the Hollywood's not liberal. They donate to NRA. Pro-gun. Right. I mean, come on. Come on. We all know Hollywood is on the cutting edge of liberalism. Right. So now Kobe's legacy, and this work we're not talking about the man.

37:39 And I don't really do the man stuff on what we talk. We always talk about the narrative and the legacy and how people are used or weaponized. So at the same time, while he was being attacked for being an alleged rapist, another demographic of feminists saw some good to use, Mr. Kobe Bryant. It's likely that you're hearing many personal anecdotes about Kobe Bryant. So here's mine. I met Kobe one time backstage at an event for ESPN in New York. And I saw him and I thought, oh my gosh, that's Kobe.

38:17 I got to get a picture for the Graham. That's the picture. I didn't get it for a few minutes because as I approached him, he immediately commented on my rather large eight-month pregnant belly. How are you? How close are you? What are you having? A girl, I said, and then he high-fived me. Girls are the best. I asked him for advice on raising girls, seeing as though he quite famously had three at the time. And he said, just be grateful that you've been given that gift because girls are amazing. His third daughter, Bianca, was about a year and a half old at the time. So I asked if he wanted more children. And he said that his wife Vanessa really wanted to try again for a boy, but was sort of jokingly concerned that it would be another girl. And I was like, four girls. Are you joking? Like, what would you think? How would you feel?

39:01 And without hesitation, he said, I would have five more girls if I could. I'm a girl dad. When it came to sports, he said that his oldest daughter was an accomplished volleyball player and that the youngest was a toddler, so TBD. But that middle one, he said, that middle one was a monster. She's a beast. She's better than I was at her age. She's got it. That middle one, of course, was Gigi. When I reflect on this. tragedy and that half an hour that I spent with Kobe Bryant two years ago, I suppose that the only small source of comfort for me is knowing that he died doing what he loved the most. Being a dad, being a girl dad. One comment that was completely written and read

39:48 goggles? No, by Ella Duncan. I mean, it was scripted. You could hear her reading it, and you could hear her trying to throw inflection into it and make it sound conversational, but it was scripted. And of course, she cried at the end. That was nice. Nice touch. Yeah. So the feminists had two different plans for Kobe. Because one, he was a huge supporter of women's basketball. And the WNBA is really struggling right now. I mean, they can't. I mean, they've never made any money, made a profit.

40:26 But it's pretty bad when in our country, women's soccer is leap years ahead of women's basketball. Right. So they saw an opportunity here to say, you know, one faction, and this is going to show people, when you use term like feminist or whatever the iss or ism is, there's always factions within those groups. And the corporate faction saw we could really monetize and you know, use this guy as a catalyst for our agenda. Money in the bank. Yeah, the girl dad, and that, and it blew up. Girl, dad was

41:07 watching. Yeah, I was watching the Fox Morning News. I don't watch my wife watches it, but I mean, I have to hear it. And it's like, girl, dad, girl, dad. I'm a girl dad. You know, no. Oh, my dad's a girl dad. And I'm like, let's be clear, people. I have three daughters. I'm a girl dad. Yeah, so I'm a girl dad. But I can say when you have girl, girl, girl, as a parent in general, you're looking maybe to have another of, you know, of the opposite sex. You know, so you have some. That's typically. Yeah, typically say, shit, man, give me one boy.

41:49 Might as well. These three girls can take care of him later on. Which, the inverse of that, I have two other brothers and no sisters. And my parents were shooting for a girl. Right. You know, so it works both ways. I'm not saying, no, just it knife cuts one direction, but you can see how they're weaponized. And it was such a huge hashtag that it bled over into one of our favorite shows, The Real. Oh, we want to begin again by giving our condolences to Kobe Bryant's family on the tragic loss of him and his daughter.

42:27 And we want to give condolences to all the victims of that tragic helicopter crash that happened on Sunday. Out of that tragedy, though, there are some inspiring, amazing stories that are coming out about how Kobe touched so many with just his thoughtfulness and his lovingness. Take a look at this story. I asked if he wanted more children, and he said that his wife Vanessa really wanted to try again for a boy, but was sort of jokingly concerned that it would be another girl. And I was like, four girls. Are you joking? Like, what would you think? How would you feel? And without hesitation, he said, I would have five more girls if I could. I'm a girl dad.

43:12 Woo! This video has since gone viral. It was retweeted over 30,000 times when ESPN put it up. And it has many men proudly stating that they are hashtag girl dad. You know, so how do you make me feel about this? Wow. Okay. Let me tell you, I have three girls. I have a daughter and two stepdaughters. No way. No way I want five more of that. No way. I don't care what you say. No way. Got to have some testosterone around somewhere. Uh-uh. You got to have balance. I mean, just balance.

43:49 Balance. That's all we're asking for. Some balance. I mean, when my son came, it was like, woo, you know, like, at least I can relate to somebody. You know, it gets, it becomes a bit interesting. But you can hear how it's being used. Of course. Oh, yeah. Pro-woman. And running with it. Yeah. Yeah. Well, Ms. Gail King. Hold on a second before you go there. Okay. Which I find also inappropriate. It's just as inappropriate as saying, well, there's this rape case. case. It's just as who gives a shit? The man has just died. And oh, he was so beautiful. I don't like any of that, whether it's positive or negative.

44:30 It's just, it's, I don't know, if I find it icky. Anyway, where they boiled him down to two things. It's like one, he's a rapist, and the other, he's a dad of girls. I heard he played basketball, too. I'm not sure if he was any good. That's not important. We can't. We can't. We'll leave that up to Nike. Yeah, exactly. But Miss Gail King, she didn't get the message. Let me get you up to speed. On Tuesday's CBS This Morning aired Gail's interview with former WNBA star Lisa Leslie. In the wide-ranging interview, Gail asked Kobe Bryant's longtime friend about his tragic death in January.

45:11 He would be missed, but he will not be forgotten, that's for sure. Gail also asked about his 2003 rape charge and subsequent criminal case. It's been said that his legacy is complicated because of sexual assault charge, which was dismissed in 2003, 2004. Is it complicated for you as a woman, as a WNBA player? Kobe's, he was never like that. I just never have ever seen him being the kind of person that would be do something to violate a woman or be aggressive in that way. That's just not the person that I know. The network later posted a clip of that specific moment, and people got mad.

45:53 Now, is it helpful that? Because this is where I kind of picked up the story, although interestingly, I knew a lot about these other things. Do you want, so should I tell you how this came across and what this meant to me and what I looked at? Please, please. So, and it was the keeper was looking at this. And by the way, she's heartbroken over this. And she's a sports fan, although we never watch sports, but she's Chicago, she's Chicago Bulls, Bears, all this stuff, socks. But she's just heartbroken over, you know, I think mainly because the daughter was also on the helicopter. And so she's showing me this and the subsequent Snoop thing. But

46:31 what I heard, so I saw this, I'm like, hmm, that's interesting. Yeah, it's kind of a shitty question. But then I saw Gail King's Instagram. I know you're going to get there, I'm sure. And her main point was, well, it's bullshit because it's out of context. It was a long interview. And I guess the interview had even aired the day or two days earlier. So I don't know if that was in the interview, but it was the little clip that was put online, which out of context, you know, and so at first I was like, oh man, what a horrible woman to do that. And then her defense as a journalist, I thought to myself, well, yeah, I can kind of understand. You know, they do that kind of shitty stuff out of context, and it can just hit wrong and get someone to rile it up on social media.

47:16 And so I kind of gave Gail in my mind a pass. And that's when I dropped it. That's when I was done with the whole thing. Well, hold on, Curry. No, boy. I need you to put that pity party on postpone. Oh, boy. Stand by, everybody. We're going down. All right. So she said they took it out of context. So we don't do sound clips and sound bites on this show. No. We always go back and get the full audio. That way we can make our own judgment if it was, you know, cherry-picked or if it was actually what she said, what she said.

47:55 So in this next clip, I have the transition from one subject to the next subject in the actual interview with Lisa Leslie. We know what Kobe's accomplished, but Gigi hadn't, she didn't have the full opportunity to do that because you just know that she had the mentality. Mama Sinta was going to make it. She was going to be in the WNBA. It's been said that his legacy is complicated because of sexual assault charge, which was dismissed in 2003, 2004. Is it complicated for you as a woman, as a WNBA player?

48:35 It's not complicated for me at all. Even if there's a few times that we've been at a club at the same time, Kobe's not the kind of guy, never been like, you know, please go get that girl or tell her or send her this. I have other NBA friends that are like that. Kobe's, he was never like that. I just never have ever seen him being the kind of person that would do something to violate a woman or be aggressive in that way. That's just not the person that I know. But Lisa, you wouldn't see it, though. As his friend, you wouldn't see it. And that's possible. So was that the real transition? That was not an edit? Yes. That's the real transition.

49:14 And you were sure because even the audio sounded like, I mean, that was there a cut in the video? Well, I couldn't tell that. I mean, I'm sure it was edited when they edited it, but that's not an editor of mine. This came from almost a single day. No, no, I understand. I just want to hear that. This came from a, yeah. I just want to look at the waveform. Hold on a second. Let me just look at that. Okay. She had the mentality. Mama Sinta was going to make it. She was going to be in the WNBA. It's been said that his. I don't know, man. That's hard to tell. I'm zooming in. It's hard to tell. It could have been.

49:52 I'm not taking away. It could have been one second edited to the next segment. It's horrible if it, no matter if it was edited or not, if that went out in the air like that, it's horrible. Well, here's the thing. If she was just asked a question, you know, his past is right after talking about her daughter being great in the WNBA. True, but let's just say we're going to say we're going to give her the benefit of doubt. She's doing her journalistic due diligence and she has to ask the tough questions, right? Yeah. Yes. And that was the justification from a lot of other journalists or media people.

50:32 Well, she had to ask the question. That's her job. You know, she had to ask the question. Fine. It was the last 20 seconds of the clip. Yeah, where she said, but you were his friend. You wouldn't really know, would you? Yeah, I heard that. That is what really, that's what really pissed people off because it's like, hold on, Gail. You know, you just ask her a question, and then you're going to basically answer for it. Why ask her that if you think her response is going to be biased? Yeah, and I don't think I heard that last part in any original that I saw. I know you didn't. That's why. Did you just

51:11 do here? Because I played the ET clip that was Entertainment Tonight. And if you let them hear it, she just asked the question, you know, about his legacy being, you know, difficult or, you know, none of that leading the witness kind of thing. But that's what pissed everybody off. Yes. And she continues. I just, it's just, I just don't, but I just don't believe that. And I'm not saying things didn't happen. I just don't believe that things didn't happen with force. Is it even a fair question to talk about it, considering he's no longer with us and that it was resolved?

51:53 Or is it really part of his history? Wow. I think that the media should be more respectful at this time. It's like if you had questions about it, you've had many years to ask him that. I don't think it's something that we should keep hanging over his legacy. I mean, he went to, it went to trial. Yeah, the case, it was dismissed because the victim in the case refused to testify. So it was dismissed. And I think that that's how we should leave it. Yeah. You know what? This is a sad statement that this is the Tiffany Broadcast Network CBS, ladies and gentlemen, who do this.

52:36 They know better than TMZ. And she did her job. She did her job. Even though you're so successful, don't you think it's a little troubling that you and Oprah wear fanny packs and go into the woods camping together? I mean, does that really say anything? I mean, fuck, man. You can do anything with anybody. Horrible. And I think she thought she was going to get, you know, Lisa Leslie to kind of side with her or give her, you know, something to remove. Well, that would be the media way. Yeah. But she didn't. And the thing is, Gail called Lisa Leslie for this interview.

53:15 So it was like, oh, yeah, she said. Let me get a WNBA player. Let me throw this alley up to her pun intended and see if she slams it home. And Lisa Leslie slammed the door in her face. It was like, no, I'm not. No, let's leave it where it was at. You had time to ask him these questions when he was alive, you know, and you didn't. And this is what started everything. So let's get into the backlash. When Kobe was 24, he was charged with one count of felony assault after a then 19-year-old woman went to the police claiming he'd sexually assaulted her in his Colorado hotel room back in 2003. The case was dropped in 2004 after the accuser declined to testify.

54:01 The same woman also filed a civil lawsuit, which was settled out of court in 2005. Right. Yeah. So that was just a little back. backgrounder to catch people up on the alleged allegation or the event in question. To me, I don't get into people's bedrooms. How the court said, if you notice, when we talk about other celebrities or iconic figures, I don't go for the low-hanger fruit. I don't go for the sexual innuendo or whatever, like that, right? You know what I mean? It's like, so we can talk about what their motives were, but the whole purpose of this whole Gail King interview was to get all this churn back up.

54:42 Even Snoop Dogg took to social media with an explicit message for Gail. We expect more from you, Gail. Don't you hang out with Oprah? Why y'all attacking us? We your people. On Thursday, Gail responded to the backlash on Instagram. If I had only seen the clip that you saw, I'd be extremely angry with me too. I am mortified. I'm embarrassed. And I am very angry. And she shared her side of the story. Unbeknownst to me, my network put up a clip from a very wide-ranging interview. Totally taken out of context. And when you see it that way, it's very jarring. It's jarring to me.

55:26 So I've been told, I've been advised to say nothing, but that's not good enough for me. I reached out to Lisa because I know that she's a longtime friend of Kobe's to talk about his legacy and their friendship. We had a really wide-ranging interview, talked about many things. And yes, we talked about that court case because that court case has also come up. And I wanted to get Lisa's take on it as a friend who knew him well. What she thought, where that should stand. Right, okay. But really, she said, I want to know what you think of it as a friend. Okay, thanks. That's great. But you're a friend, so you really can't know. So she was very, very mean, very mean. Yes, I see it now.

56:10 All right. All right. All right. Now you and another thing, maybe you didn't catch in clip 14. The reporter uses the same verbiage that Gail uses. It's a wide-ranging. Oh, can I go back and go back and listen to that? Yeah, it's probably in the first 10, 20 seconds. Yeah, go ahead. Let me get you up to speed. On Tuesday, CBS this morning aired Gail's interview with former WNBA star Lisa Leslie. In the wide-ranging interview, Gail asked Kobe Ryan's one. Good catch. I like that. Good catch. So when I heard this, I was like, oh, this is damage control

56:52 because of what Snoop Dogg said. And we haven't even got to what Snoop Dogg said. We got a clip of what Snoop Dogg said because they didn't want to give his words any more oxygen so the fire can burn. But as I said before, we don't do clips here or sound bites. I went and got the whole Snoop Dogg Instagram post. Gail King. Out of pocket for that shit. Way out of pocket. What do you gain from that? I swear to God, we the worst. We the fucking worst. We expect more from you, Gail.

57:35 Don't you hang out with Oprah? Why are y'all attacking us? We your people. You ain't coming after fucking Harvey Weinstein asking them dumbass questions. I get sick of y'all. I want to call you one. Is it okay if I call him one? Funky doghead bitch. How dare you try to tornch my motherfucking homeboy's reputation. Punk motherfucker. Respect the family and back off, bitch, before we come get you. All right. All right. Now let me see this. Loaded here. Can I just deconstruct this for a moment?

58:15 Please. All right. So very valid comment about Harvey Weinstein. Almost no coverage, very low coverage because, you know, Trump impeachment. Then we had Kobe, but very little actual Harvey Weinstein coverage. And then, funky dog-haired ass bitch. Is that what he said? Dog head. No, dog head. Okay. All right. Well, then I understand it. I didn't. The dick said dog hair, but dog head. All right, got it. Yeah. But, you know, respect for the family. I hear him. I hear him.

58:55 But one thing he said, they took and they latched on to and they spin it when he said, we're coming for you. We will come for you. or we'll come get you. Yeah, hold on. Let me, that's at the very end, right? At the very end. Let me just play that part. How dare you try to torch my motherfucking homeboy's reputation, punk motherfucker? Respect the family and back off, bitch, before we come get you. Okay, before we, the family, clearly. Before we come get you. So now just mark that down. All right. But I want to go back to the point you talked about before about Harvey Weinstein. Now, this Gail interview, not surprised at all. I was waiting on it.

59:37 This is what they do. This is what Gail and Oprah does. They have a they're known for this kind of behavior. Oh. Looking, they're looking, and this is why I brought it up because to the mainstream media watchers, they won't catch this because as you heard in the clip, they took a little snippet of what of the interview and kind of like the low impact information. And then they took a little clip of Snoop Dogg and told you how bad it was, but didn't play you the clip.

1:00:15 And that's all you heard. But Gail King and Oprah have a history of looking the other way when it comes to white men, powerful white men in Hollywood, or television. But when it comes to black men, you remember the R. Kelly interviewed that famous made her go viral. Famous, yeah. And I think she got bit by the viral bug and thought she was going to get the same thing again. What do you think this is? Is this a hatred of black men? Is it a hatred of men? Is it a we're going to call out the evil elements who are doing horrible things according to us so we can make

1:00:58 us better? Is that what it is? What the hell are they thinking? And who made them the bosses of us? It's the gender war. So it is purely that, huh? But okay. No, it's the gender. I mean, it's the gender war. And as I said before, 2020 is important. All of this is underlying: we have to separate ourselves into our own demographic, separate ourselves from black men. If you don't carry the water, you know, if you don't push the feminist agenda, if you don't push the intersectionality agenda, whatever agenda it is, if you don't push it, then we need to marginalize you.

1:01:45 Right. So they saw an excellent example of attacking Kobe Bryant. They get another feather in their cap. That's one less conversation. We got, oh, we're covering this Me Too thing. We're on top of it without talking about the real power structure. We don't want to talk about the real, the, the, the less moon vessels of the world, the Harvard Weinsteins of the world. True power, though. Yes, exactly. The white power. By definition of last show, what white really is nepotism. Exactly. So they thought they've been great. Gail and Oprah are passing

1:02:31 and they're earning and they're earning their keep. Oh, of course. Good job, girls. Don't we see the same thing with Hoover? Let's attack, but we are the hardest. Yeah. So we can pass. Really? Yeah, I never considered that. Yes, this is what we're talking about here. So, yeah. And I know you probably, not you, but people are saying, well, Mo, you're stretching there. Let's hear how Gail King spoke on Charlie Rose.

1:03:11 Gail King opened up about the Me Too movement in a profile with the New York Times, which published online on Wednesday. The CBS This Morning Anger extensively discussed how the movement evolved from a topic she covered on the news to something she's had to face head on as a number of her colleagues at CBS have been accused of sexual misconduct and harassment. King's co-worker Charlie Rose, who co-hosted CBS This Morning alongside CBS CEO Les Moonvez and 60 Minutes executive producer Jeff Fager have all been accused of misconduct over the past year. King told the Times that you can hold two ideas in your head at the same time, meaning that she believes the accusers while also believing that the accused men shouldn't be banished for life.

1:03:52 She also discussed the possibility of redemption for the men accused, saying there must be room for some redemption somewhere. I don't know what the the answer is to that, and it might be too soon. Maybe people don't want to hear that. King added that it is difficult to talk about the Me Too movement and brought up Matt Damon's comments as an example. They took his head off, and I actually agree with what he was saying. That doesn't mean I'm discounting what the women are saying. I'm just saying that we can't paint everybody with the same brush. King said she isn't sure what Rose's next career steps will be. And while she doesn't anticipate on working with Rose again, she revealed that they do still keep in touch. I know there are two sides to every story. That's what I know. She said before sharing that she recently called Rose to check in on him after he had a health scare.

1:04:36 The Titans reached out to Rose for a comment, to which he responded via email: Hallelujah, the Sunday Times is profiling Gail. There is a God in heaven. Rose did eventually speak with the Times and had nothing but praise for his former co-host. For more on the story, head to THR.com. And until next time for the Hollywood Reporter News, I may have your way. That's great. That's great. You know, I'm able to hold two things in my head at one time. Yes. I'm very special that way. Now, I actually have a minute clip of her on CBS on the morning show talking about it, if you're interested. Sure, sure. Let's hear it. The Washington Post is signaling there may be more revelations about what CBS News knew about claims of inappropriate conductor anchor Charlie Rose.

1:05:21 In a story published yesterday, the Post detailed three occasions during which it says CBS managers were warned of Rose's conduct. All right, Anna, thank you. Listen, the more you hear about the story, the more awkward and more uncomfortable it is. But the good news is, if you can say good news, is that the company's investigating, hired somebody from the outside. And I really do feel that the chips fall where they may. This investigation is continuing, and we take it very, very seriously. As the son of somebody who worked in the news business in the 50s and 60s, I think about the women who had to come forward, what they had to do, the anguish they had to live through, the courage it took to come forward, and the frustration of having to be silent and feel like you can't have a voice.

1:05:58 So it's good that they can get some kind of relief through this investigation. I also kind of think about the other damage in this, which is all the people who work here those long nights who fling themselves across the country to go cover stories who are a part of this now and dealing with it as well. Which is why it's important we're investigating the past and even more important that we're moving forward. And that there are a lot of professionals in the building doing a very good job. I don't want people to forget, you know, there are a lot of people doing a lot of good work here, as you pointed out. Boy, awkward. Very awkward. It's awkward. It's really bad, man. It's bad. And not predators or. No, no, no. I'm sorry. You know, at least the company's investigating.

1:06:39 That's very good. Good news. Good news. And if you go back to her clip, she said, well, he's a friend, you know, and I could see things two ways. You know, I could believe the women. Why couldn't Lisa Leslie do the same thing then? You hear the hypocrisy? Now are we starting to see how we're covering there's a difference in how we color tongue, but how we cover people by their quote-unquote color. It's like Charlie Rose, yeah, he's a friend of the guy. It could be this, could be that, could be, I don't know, man, maybe. Well, maybe she just sweet on Charlie. So let's listen to Gail King on Moonviz.

1:07:21 I am so sorry again that it hits so close to home for us. You know, I'm sick and sick of the story and sickened by everything that we keep hearing. But the part you mentioned about transparency is very disturbing to me because I would think, how can we have this investigation and not know how it comes out? Les Moonvez has been on the record. He says, listen, he didn't do these things, that it was consensual, that he hasn't hurt anybody's career. And I would think it would be in his best interest for us to hear what the report finds out. On the other hand, you have women who are coming forward very credibly talking about something that's so painful and so humiliating. It's been my experience that women don't come out and speak this way for no reason. They just don't. They just don't do it. And so I don't know how we move forward if we don't.

1:08:04 We at CBS don't have full transparency about what we find. John, I wasn't here yesterday because I was in a wedding in Europe, as you guys know, but I thought it was interesting when you said a friend of yours said for 30 years this has haunted her because we, of course, were talking about it all weekend. And someone said, how does anybody remember what happened 30 years ago when it is that traumatic and that humiliating? You remember every single detail. Oh, brother. Gail. So disingenuous. There's so many details there. Let's get some of these women on the couch. Let's have a whole week special and talk to them about Moonviz and Charlie Rose and the other guy.

1:08:46 We got plenty of guys. But as a friend, you know, like, you can't really tell now, can you, Gail? You don't really know, do you? Oh, man. Yeah. Oh. So now we're seeing people that's sensitive to this have been picking up on this, and we're waiting for the exposés for these guys. Like, uh, uh, she even said in that clip that I'm sick of this story. Yeah. Not this is a great day for women, you know, that you know, the victims finally get to tell their truth. She said, No, I'm sick of this story. You know, what? Oh, now you're sick of it. But when is somebody like, you know, and let me make something clear: I am not taking up for R.

1:09:30 Kelly. I'm not taking up for any of them. What I want is fairness. If you're going to cover one group of people the one way, be just and cover this other group of people the same way. No, we don't really want that. Otherwise, we'd have no show. We want people just to be themselves, and that'll help us. Right. So, Gail's not, let's not, let's not beat up on Gail too much. Oh, let's go to Oprah. Yes, please. Let's talk about what's happening with Harvey Weinstein. I know you posted on Facebook already, but you haven't kind of spoken yet publicly about what's going on. I think that this is, I'm always trying to look for the rainbow in the clouds, whatever is the silver lining.

1:10:11 And this is what I do know for sure. When something this major happens, when you have the fallout, 50 women coming forward, that it's a watershed moment. And what I do believe is actually happening is that, first of all, it's triggering a lot of unreleased pain, repressed anger, guilt, and suffering that a lot of women have had. I happened to be on set with several actresses the other day, and we were filming some things, and they were like, they hadn't slept over a period of two or three days. And I was like, what is that? And I said, oh, you guys are suffering from PTSD. And when you're talking about it out loud, too. Everybody has a story. Everybody has a story. And so I think this is a watershed moment.

1:10:56 And if we make this just about Harvey Weinstein, then we will have lost this moment. Wow. That's pretty cool. She's looking for the rainbow on the silver linings. You can't make this just about Harvey Weinstein. And he's in unicorns. Yeah. Wow. And I want to say this: Snoop Dogg's attack was really an attack on Oprah. Gail just happened to walk into the crossfire.

1:11:35 Because he said, he said, oh, you're friends with Oprah, right? And that's when he really, you know, saying, start landing on thick because people have spotted this about Oprah. You had Michael Jackson, you had Bill Cosby. You know, and I got to tell you, as someone who has worked with Michael Jackson, and I've determined that he was, if anything, asexual. And I witnessed that whole trial. I was alive. I was working. I was in the business. I saw what was going on. I was always rooting for him. I knew he was. In fact, I said he got killed and people hung up on me. And it turns out, of course, he really was.

1:12:16 And when Oprah, because I remember one of the most impressive moments of Michael Jackson to me was when he was with Oprah and she's at Neverland and they're in his theater and he just and he just starts riffing. And I still get goosebumps when I think about it. Like, oh my God, it's so talented. And Oprah was just, oh, Michael, you know, we grew up together. It's almost like, forget Diana. Take me, Michael. And then the way, and that shitty ass documentary that came out, which really bothered me. I mean, I didn't even watch the whole thing. I know what was going on. I know who these people were. I saw that happen.

1:12:55 I was there. I was in the business. So, and then how Oprah propagated that was, to me, very disappointing. That's when she lost all my respect. That's all. I never pay attention to her. So I didn't know that there was this continuous thing going on that she likes to discredit black men. And the latest one was Russell Simmons. Oh, God. That was the latest one at her target. And people kind of pushed back on her. So she kind of took herself out of her. I saw it differently. I saw it as it was enough for her to just get that going. And I don't think she even really intended to be a part of the documentary. I don't think so.

1:13:35 Well, isn't that what Oprah's known for? She has to do it, put her name on something. Yep. And then it just takes a life of its own. Now, is her picture still on the wall next to Martin Luther King and JFK? Or is it slide? sliding down? Well, that was only in some households. So I think in some that's coming down, and others is strengthening her. But I know for sure in one household, it's been off the wall, and that's for Miss Monique. Are you familiar with Monique, right? No. How do I know Monique? From the movie Precious. Oh, yeah, oh, yeah, of course. I know who Monique is. Yeah.

1:14:20 Well, Monique and Oprah has had a running feud ever since Precious. Oh, stuff I didn't know. I'm glad you're on the show, Biz Tip, Mo. This is very, this is very handy. So, what happened was that Monique claims that Oprah blackballed her, her and Oprah and Lee Daniels blackball her because she went and do press runs for the movie Precious. So, of course, Monique had something to say when this whole beef kicked up. Welcome back to TMZ Live. It is one of the things we say frequently here that there are certain people in Hollywood you don't hear people, other people in Hollywood go after.

1:15:05 But Monique has never been one to hold her tongue and felt very strongly about something she had observed happening with Oprah Winfrey. And so she did not hold back, basically wrote an open letter criticizing Oprah for attacking, and by attacking, I mean, working on documentaries, producing documentaries that went after powerful black men, Russell Simmons, Michael Jackson, while not saying anything, at least publicly, about Harvey Weinstein or being critical of Harvey Weinstein. So Monique spilled this out in an open letter that was extremely critical of Oprah.

1:15:48 Hmm. Okay. Monique, she doesn't bite her tongue. And as just imagine somebody saying, well, you know, certain people in Hollywood, you just don't criticize. This is what's happening. And what you're witnessing, I want you to witness, I want people to realize what they're witnessing here. The old guard, the old bullet guard, has lost their power. It's slipping. Yep. Because the media, and this is the same for politicians. And I think I've said it here before. These people still think you do the ET interview, you do the, you know, they do the thing with the right people.

1:16:31 You know, have Charlie Rose interview you around the table really deep and intriguing and probing. And that's how you get your message out. Except that's not how it works. That's why Gail said, yeah, I don't really usually do this Instagram because she doesn't get it. And what Snoop does, he gets it. He's a part of that. Although he's moving towards the older guard too, but not like Oprah. And yeah, the power is gone. It's all of the old politicians still think that, oh, you know, I just go on the Sunday morning talk shows and they'll be fine. No, no, no, no, no. No. Yeah, so this is the talent. This is a talented 10th, aka, aka the Boule.

1:17:14 They're solely being called out for their actions. And let's just hear Monique do it. Going after Oprah. Good idea or not? Monique, welcome back to TMZ Live. How are you doing? Wonderful. And I see you have Sidney's there with you too. Sorry. How are you doing, Sydney? Doing wonderful. How y'all doing? We're good. All right. We're good. So what was the impetus for writing this? Because Oprah had backed out of the Russell Simmons documentary, gosh, I feel like it was a month ago. But this weekend, you decided you just had to get this out. Well, because I had just seen the interview that she did

1:17:55 when she was asked a question in reference to Russell. And I had seen the interview that she did when it came to Harvey. So it was fresh because I had just seen it. And when you use words like, what was the word? Criticizing? Yeah, criticizing. Criticizing Oprah. Well, if you read it, I don't know if it's being critical more so than asking Oprah questions. What's the central question? Why is there such a difference? Why is there different words used and a different fight had when it seems like the color of the skin makes you look for the clouds in the silver lining?

1:18:36 And when it comes to a black man, I believe these women. Well, how come? Why is it different? Let's say, mate. Well, why is it different? This is a good question. Depends if that man can do something for her, I guess. That, and then another question I want to lay on top of Monique's question is: why is the liberal media not jumping on? If you care so much about people of color, colored people, why are you not calling Oprah out as protectors of this power structure?

1:19:18 But they won't do it. But I'll give you an example of how they'll do a blackmail that they like to call out. This is from the Young Turks Sports and one of your favorites on Mr. Jason Whitlock. Ooh, okay. Kobe Bryant, the most fraudulent superstar celebrity athlete we have ever seen. Because of his unique upbringing, he chose to be a knockoff rather than an original. I've been criticizing Kobe for a long time. Chanel knockoff bag or whatever. That's what Kobe is to George. Why does he have to have two jerseys? I thought it was on brand for Kobe.

1:19:56 He's a bit of a narcissist. I would love for a documentary to be done on Kobe, similar to the kind of way OJ Simpson was examined and what he said about race. He spent 20 years in the NBA and never figured out it's a teen game and it's about the pleasure of everyone. I compare Kobe's death and stick with me here to Pat Tillman's death. Let's nip this in the button. Jason Whitlock is a sellout. He says, trustworthy as a $3 bill, as much credibility as Jared Kushner on Foreign Affairs, as authentic as his newly formed hairline. He's a well-paid actor. I think he's going to go down in history as the smartest basketball player we've ever seen.

1:20:35 So when he says this, attempting to mop up his entire career being built by shitting on the black athletes, they focused on his history, not his fake sympathy. Well, that's, I mean, the way this report was put together, I feel, I don't feel so good about Jason Whitlock right now. Well, Jason Whitlock, I will say this. Most of his critiques were about basketball. Kobe's basketball. And it was commonly accepted that Kobe was toxic on the basketball floor. He didn't pass. I know that's the big thing. Not a passer. Nobody wanted to play with him.

1:21:15 That was the narrative. LA had all this money and they couldn't keep players to come play with him because he was such an intense person. He was like, we're going to do it. We're going to do it my way. I mean, that's what the Mamba mentality was. It was just, we're going to work 110%. And if you can't get on board, that he will basically run you out of town or break you. So Jason Whitlock critiques her here. And this clip were fair. The one I didn't really care for was he got into Kobe's personal relationship with his wife. Right, right. That kind of took some of the luster off of Jason Whitlock as well for me because that's outside the bounds.

1:21:57 I mean, you don't get into people's, but I will say this. Every sports, major sports icon, they form this love-hate relationship with a major athlete. This is how they come up. Skip Bayless, he has it with LeBron. Stephen A. Smith had it with Kevin Durant. I mean, yeah. You got it, got it. That's how you, you were saying you write, write a bad about the guy. Everybody loves how you come up. You hate the guy. You said it. That's how you come up. Yeah. It's no different than music. Yeah. But my question is: this guy says, Jason Whitlock's want to bring down the black athlete.

1:22:41 So, young Turks, where's your article on Oprah? Where's your clips on Oprah? I mean, she's talking about bringing them down in life, not just sports. And then this guy uses a weird term like he's a sellout. It's like, I told you, these liberal white people somehow get a pass to use these terms. Like, I brought up before a Kuny. Yeah. You heard him say sellout. They use other terms. Is sellout considered to be racial? No, it's racial when you use it in terms of saying he's bringing down black athletes and him being a black guy.

1:23:26 Yeah, I got you. That's, I mean, because you could be a sellout in the music industry because you came in as an indie star and you sold out and became a pop star. I mean, so the term sellout in itself. itself is not a loaded term, it's how you use it. So he was basically saying he's a sellout because he's black and he wants to take down black athletes. So where's your clips on calling Oprah sellout? But nobody would do it. Well, no. I just wanted to show the difference between sports figures, sports figures are also more fair game for commentary.

1:24:06 That's the whole television game is commentary about the players and about how they played, etc. Oprah is just not to be criticized if you want to work in media. Well, if I can on a one-minute tangent, look at how they did Terry Cruz when he was saying, oh, he's our hero. You know, Terry, woo-hoo. Yeah, Terry got grope. But when he came out, said, I didn't see anybody being racist to Gabrielle Union. They drugging me. So it's not just sports. It's not just sports. But I digress. So what I did was I went to one of my new favorite sources.

1:24:51 I really didn't listen to it much, but the more I listen to it, she has a very interesting show, Miss Karen Hunter. And she's with Mr. Lamont King, no relation to KL King, I don't believe so. And they discussed, did Snoop cross the line. But sure, we coming to get you, that could have been, he could say black Twitter or us. Nah, you know what I mean? Not like I'm sending nobody to the crib. No, I mean, and I think. Here's another thing that if 50-something-year-old grandfather having wearing his daughter's scarf, wearing Snoop. If we're being honest, I don't think he was threatening her life. What I'm saying is somebody could conceive it because there's a lot of stupid people out there.

1:25:29 A lot of kids out here, too. So with that, I feel like they could have pivoted her and Oprah and really thrown it back and be like, oh my God, Snoop just threatened my life. And turn it back on Snoop and make Snoop look like the villain. They don't have to cash hate. I feel like they could have. I'm going to tell you why. They've been white men for too long. And as it relates to black people, for them to turn it on to Snoop would require black people to be on their side. Yeah, but we don't even play with threats, though. We don't play with threats, but for her to say, like, that would require people to go after Snoop and say, that was wrong, shut that down, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I'm saying that would have been possible. Oprah and Gail? Yeah, they make the right phone calls.

1:26:12 And somebody's like, hey, Snoop, you know what? You're my man and all. But that was too much, fam. You know what I'm saying? Who's saying that? Yeah. There was a lot in that clip. So you want to discuss what you took away from that? No, you go ahead because I just want to process. So she basically called Oprah and Gail, white men. Well, yeah. And for full disclosure, Karen Hunter is a black woman. Two, she said that if the people aren't with you, you know, they couldn't do anything.

1:26:52 You know, they couldn't really turn this around. But this guy, Lamont King, was spot on because he was like, you can make the right phone calls. Yeah. And Snoop could be made to back off. And the funny thing is, one of my good friends, we discussed these things and me and him had the same conversation before, you know, this whole thing, while it was going on real time. It was like, Snoop, he's stepping on some of the wrong toes. If you want to be working in this town, if you want to work, if you want to have a vow poverty, yeah, you can go after these people. I'm seeing the Snoop Dogg podcast on the horizon. Right. But I mean, I'm sure Oprah has,

1:27:39 what's her name? The one he does the shows with. Her name slips my mind. Yeah, Snoop, the one Snoop does the show with. I don't know. Martha Stewart. Martha Stewart. Oh. I'm sure Oprah has Martha Stewart's number. Or whoever does the game shows that Snoops are on, that Snoop is on. Well, she has incredible. She has incredible power in the television business. So anything he's doing in television, and I would argue in Hollywood, although her main phone call is, you know, is in court right now. Because if you, I mean, if you could call Harvey Weinstein and say, hey, you know, problem with this guy, it was over.

1:28:20 That's now hopefully changed. But in television, for sure. Oprah can call anybody. Ted Turner's another one because he has a show on TBS. I'm sure Oprah has all these people's numbers. And like, you know. Well, sadly, Ted Turner has Alzheimer's and he's. a plant now, so that's not a call you want to make, yeah. Okay, but your point is so, yeah, I mean, it's people that they can call, they just didn't know who they could call at the time they were having this discussion. But let's continue to listen to uh, did they cross the cross a line, you know what I'm saying? Who's saying that? I couldn't see that because no, not as big as black twitter. So, black Twitter's not saying it's bigger. So, who's saying it? If you call the right person, I gotta think about it. I gotta think about it. Okay, call the right person, I don't think so.

1:29:03 Somebody senior to Snoop who's maybe 55 instead of 54. Who? You gotta let me think of that. Okay, I'm gonna give you two. I feel like they could have done that, they could have thrown it back and then faded back into the shadows and be like, Oh my god, no, because threatening us, and that's not right with the climate and the temperature, people were like, Good. You understand? Have you been watching the comments? I get it. So, so them saying, I can't believe you threatened my life, and oh, this is terrible, you should, you know, and try to play that role with where they sit. As I'm saying, and I'm not being disrespectful, I'm saying that they have not been. You can show up to black things, but you be in the community, you can show up to West Side High and give money, you can be in different places and donate money, but they have not been black people for a long time

1:29:50 because of the level of wealth and how they move. So, they're not black people, no, fantastic. That's the point I was making about them. I'm more black than them, damn it. I can see it now clearly. So, yeah, they're passing. So, it's there in the winter. What is this? This Karen, uh, what's her name, Karen? Uh, Hunter, Karen Hunter. Where is she? Where can I want to listen to this show? Where is she on? She's on the satellite radio. Oh, Sirius, Sirius XF? Yeah, she's on Sirius. Yeah, and you can find her on YouTube as well. She sounds fun to listen to. All right, cool. She does have a very interesting show, and she makes some very interesting points.

1:30:31 But I think she was a little off on this because she underestimated the power of one sympathy because exactly what Gail King and Oprah did. I mean, we covered that already in the clips that they played the he's threatening me role. You know, he said he's come to get me, my death threat. Yeah, but I want to point out in the earlier clips about the previous uh reporter, they got the same death threats, so you can't put this on Snoop, right? You know, I mean, one, you it's not equivalent to say, Yeah, oh, Snoop said this, so now I'm getting death threats.

1:31:07 No, Snoop didn't say anything about uh, the lady from the Washington Post, but she got death threats because she came against trying to uh smear Kobe's uh image, right? So, I think that's not a fair one-to-one correlation to say what Snoop said, I'm getting death threats. Um, but let's let Karen and uh Lamont finish up. White people don't treat them like black people, so you could use that as all I'm saying. You make that right phone call to a person I don't even know their name. That's a white person. I'd like to hear the beginning over again. White people don't treat them like black people, so you that's right. That's nice, could use that as all I'm saying. You make that right phone call to a person I don't even know their name, and that person is calling Snoop.

1:31:52 It's like, Yo, you don't want to mess with your money, champ. They can't mess with his money, champ. It's always somebody trying to tell somebody. Snoop has agency, everybody does an apology. Everybody does the apology. Snoop has agency, he said what he said. There's nothing you can do about it. Take away the Martha Stewart thing, he's still gonna get money because black people are gonna support Snoop Dogg no matter what, and even more so. I agree, but you're saying he's bigger than doing an apology tour. Yes, when they come get you, they coming to get you. Huh, oh, interesting, wrong. Yeah, exactly, exactly. So, I think Karen Hunter, I think she knows better, she knows better, but

1:32:35 in black media, this situation for the people in black media was very sensitive because the people were with Snoop, yeah, but the media, the media is his Oprah, yeah, and the talented 10th. And, you know, yeah, you got to be because Oprah could definitely shit. I could call one person that's serious and get this, get I could get Karen off the air if I really want. It's one person, like it's one call, but I could do that. I mean, it's Oprah, imagine, imagine.

1:33:11 Oh, no, so of course, you got to be thinking about that. So, she gave Snoop, she knows Snoop is not more powerful than Oprah and Oprah could easily shut down, shut down Snoop, but she was playing to her audience. She's like, you know, I'm on Snoop's side. I want. to, you know, Snoop can't be taken. Come on, knock it off. Right. Now, nobody's above, and that's the thing about when you become a billionaire. That's a whole different she was making the point. She was making two points at once. But she was saying one that they haven't been black people for a long time because of the money and the influence they have, but then Snoop has more power than Oprah.

1:33:55 Nah, no way. I don't think Barack Obama had a party at Snoop's house to raise money for his campaign in 2012. I don't think so. Exactly. So Oprah comes out and she plays the sympathy card as Lamont King alluded to. I think the last 24 hours for your best friend have been pretty difficult after that interview with Lisa Leslie about Kobe. And I just wondered just how she's doing. She's not doing well. May I say she is not? She is not doing well because she has now death threats and has to now travel with security.

1:34:37 And she's feeling very much attacked. You know, Bill Cosby is texting from, is, is, is tweeting from jail. And she's not doing well and feels that she was put in a really terrible position because that interview had already ran. It was over. And in the context of the interview, everyone seemed fine, including Lisa Leslie. And it was only because somebody at the network put up that clip.

1:35:12 And that, and I can see how people would obviously be very upset if you thought that Gail was just trying to press to get an answer from Lisa Leslie. So she propagates the lie because, again, that's not what it was about. It was about the you're his friend you wouldn't really know anyway. Yeah, it wasn't, it wasn't about the question. I mean, she just asked that one question. You know what? They fooled me, Mo. They had me fooled. They had me fooled. I was all, but again, I did not dive in. This was not my topic to do, but they had me definitely. And that's the whole point. I mean, with headlines, that's why they're so powerful now that the majority of people only read the headlines and maybe the first paragraph.

1:35:55 You know, so of course, mostly the headlines. I mean, when you look it up down a timeline, so it's they understand how it works, but what they don't understand is there's people that are spotting these trends. Yeah. With the timeline, it is in line, and you can go back on your line and say, okay, there's a data point, there's a data point, there's a data point. And you start formulating these, you know, these ideas. Oh, I see how you do things different depending on who's involved. What did Bill Cosby tweet? I am not even sure. You can look it up. How does he have a Twitter in jail? It's another thing. I thought he was going blind.

1:36:40 So, I mean, that's even. It's right. Can't walk, is blind. And yeah, Twitter in jail. I don't know. I guess. But to throw his name in there, I mean, really, Bill didn't do them any service because when you link Snoop Dogg's name to Bill Cosby, now you're guilty by association. Of course. That's a tool. Right. So you had, that was, and this is to let people know who was on the interview. That was Uda, I think is her name? Uda. Yoda? Yoda? Yeah. Yoda? Hoda. Hoda. Hoda. Hoda. Hoda. That's it. Hoda and the Bush lady.

1:37:21 Bush's granddaughter, I believe. Yeah, I guess. She's Moe. I don't know. I'm watching Fox News with your wife. I have no idea what's going on. It's Hoda. Yeah. So, but if you listen to him in the brain, they're like, oh, no. That's terrible. Well, that's, isn't that the show where they drink in the morning? Isn't that that show? Yeah, yeah, yeah. They turn early in the morning. Yeah. So, um, in this next clip, I'm going to give you a task. Okay. A major talking point was laid out in this next clip with Oprah.

1:38:07 Obviously, all things pass, she will be okay, but she hasn't slept in two days. What do you think about all that criticism? I think the vitriol is, I think anybody can criticize anything, but the misogynist vitriol and the attacking to the point. point where it is dangerous to be in the streets alone because it's not just the people who are attacking, it's the other people who take that message and feel like they can do whatever they want to because of it. You know, you have built this community. That's what you're doing with this tour. That's what you do with your friends. We have best friends. We were talking about this last night that if one of our friends was going through this, it's you.

1:38:49 There's a difference between you and what do you do? You support them. And, you know, I was on the phone with her this morning. I was on the phone with her last night. I was on the phone with her the night before. I think you stand in the gap. You try to be there for your friends. But this is very hard because when you have social media and the force of social media, and particularly people who didn't see either interview making attacks, and I think everybody has a right to have their opinion, but to do it with such vitriol is hate and meanness. Well, I heard misogynist in there. Yeah. Misogynist vitriol. Yes. Yeah. Did I win?

1:39:34 I get a car and you get a car and you get a car. Yes. Yeah, misogynist vitriol. Exactly. It was right away they went to it's because she's a woman. No, it's because what she said, what she did. It wasn't because she's a woman. Yeah, and but what she probably was referring to, or how people may have received that, is when you say doghead bitch, that would be seen as misogynist. That was what she was talking about, but that's what made it a man versus woman thing. Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. Even though we just heard Monique

1:40:13 come after Oprah for this, and then we heard early in the clips that what was her name, Lindsay Granger, she went after people trying to railroad Kobe's legacy. So this is not a man versus woman thing, but that's the way they wanted to. That's how they're spending it. Yeah, sure. That was a spin. And E.T. was complicit in this because what a surprise. Right. So we have everybody, you know, on message. On point. Yep. We're rolling. So everybody's on message. So one of the people that's on message is none other than one of the bullet members, Mr.

1:40:55 Roland Martin. We've talked about him before on this show. He's a drip. What's his background again? What is it? Because I see him all the time. What is the deal with Roland Martin? What is he? He came off the CNN. He's a car-carrying member of the Boulevard. He's even got that phony ass cravat. You know, he doesn't wear a tie. I've got to wear this silk thing in my shirt. Yeah, what's it called? Ascot. Yes. I call cravats, but yes, an ascot. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah, he, and that guy's hilarious. So, oh, he's also, he was on the Tom Joyner show for years. Yes, he was. Okay, I got you. I said he was Boulet.

1:41:40 Card-carrying member. You're right. Card-carrying member. So he's confused about this whole situation. And you can hear it in Controversy One. Please explain to me, Lauren, how in the hell Gail King versus Snoop is a 21st century of the East East Coast West Coast rap. It's like Tupac and Biggie. I mean, this is this is, and people are, no, which side are you on? I'm like, yo, shut the I'm telling you. You know, y'all, they're gonna make me cuss this event. I'm just, I, I, I'll, it's just, it's like, it's, it's just stupid. He's he's confused. Like, what's going on? I don't know what's going on here.

1:42:23 What's going on? I'm confused. You mean he's he's feigning this surprise? You know what he does? He always seems so sure of himself when he's on CNN or MSNBC. Exactly. But now, when you put between a rock and a hard place, he even said himself, people want me to choose. Are you going with the man of the people or are you going to go with your fellow bullet? And you hear how flustered he is. In the next clip, this woman is going to explain it to him quite clearly what's going on.

1:43:02 I'll try to explain it to you, Roland. I think part of the issue here is that there's a longer history here that I think Snoop and 50 Cent and a lot of these guys have been paying attention to longer than maybe any of us, which is that if you look at the reporting specifically on CVS and specifically by Gail King. and Oprah, you see that they covered Bill Cosby and R. Kelly and Michael Jackson and then Russell Simmons and then Justin Fairfax and then Kobe Bryant. They covered them in a certain way that I don't think we saw coverage of with regard to, frankly, with regard to white males accused of sexual assault. And we're in kind of this moment where allegations are conviction with sexual assault. So if somebody says something, the person's life is just blown up, whether you know the details of the story or not.

1:43:47 And I think that the CBS Morning Show can't be confused with 60 Minutes. I mean, they don't really are not investigating on the same level as a frontline or 60-minute show. So when they put people on and the thing blows up and that person's reputation is blown up, that person is, of course, paying a huge price. And I think the fact that Gail, of course, is best friends with Oprah Winfrey, who unfortunately, before she turned 15, she was raped when she was nine years old and then 14, which is incredibly tragic. I think the fact that she has that connection with Oprah and when these things happen, they tend to get involved in it. Hey, who is the woman speaking again? I like her. I like her. I want her to add her to my playlist. Who is she? No, we'll figure it out.

1:44:31 We'll figure it out. We'll figure it out. She's talking some sense. But she has it all figured out. But Roland, I don't know. Roman is supposed to be a man of the people. He didn't spot this trend of Oprah. And another one was the lieutenant governor of Virginia, the guy that got another pass. Yeah, you know. So he didn't get it, but she laid it out quite clearly, and she's going to continue on clip three. I remember when the Michael Jackson documentary came up, was surviving or leaving Neverland.

1:45:16 They did like a week on that. They had the Jackson family, and then they had the guy that did the documentary, and they had, you know, they had like step after step, detail after detail. Did the same thing with R. Kelly. They had R. Kelly's accusers, and then they had another accuser. It was like the level of attention and reporting that went into that is not the same that we saw on a lot of these stories involving white males who have been accused. I think when people make that interesting, right? When people make that, Harvey Weinstein and many more, when people make that point, they're making a really good point. And when you have these positions in journalism that are so important and so rare for African Americans that Gail King has, she has to be thinking about how the community is represented.

1:45:56 I know that's an extra burden on black journalists that perhaps shouldn't be there, but she's got to be thinking about how she uses her stage. And frankly, I think the most underrepresented, the most underrepresented group on TV to me is black men. We have a lot of black women out there talking a lot more than we do. We're completely fine with all of that. Yeah. Shut up. I'm all right, bro. I'm wrong. Now he has all the answers where she started saying that black men are underrepresented in the media and that mindset that Snoop Dogg and 50 Cent and those guys came with. Now he's like, I got it. I got it. It's like, oh, I thought you were confused. Right.

1:46:40 So now you got all the answers. No, he was like, shut up. You know what I'm saying? Like, you got it. I got it. I got it. Yeah, you said too much. But let's let them wrap up with clip four. It's gone crazy. And I'm seeing that. It's gone crazy because I think the perspective that Snoop has, even though I didn't agree with how he, you know, what he called Gail, but the perspective that 50 Cent and Snoop has is not represented on TV. I mean, I'm not expecting, I'm not expecting, I'm not expecting a major news outlet to go to a bar and pick a guy up. But we see the PhDs and we see the club bourgeois on there all the time, the overeducated, the top 10%.

1:47:20 We don't see the average black male on TV represented very much, their views. I got you. But here's also, but let me caution all these brothers out here who want to get high and mighty. Their treatment of black women may also become under the microscope. Well, it has to be under the microscope with Gail and Oprah around. It doesn't have been under the microscope the whole time. No, no, no. No, no. And what I'm saying is that if this thing is going to escalate into a black man versus black women, you're trying to take somebody down. I'm simply saying I think some people have gotten to the point that they're so irrational in their response that it's gotten way overheated. At the end of the day, I'm like, y'all, seriously? The minute she mentioned like the B word,

1:48:06 she didn't use bulet, but it was clear what she was talking about. That's when Roland Martin's like, okay, got to shut this down now. Listen, I can't talk about. it no more. What you see me at the meeting? What'd you see? And to go back to last show, you asked me about the state of the union and Trump and how I took it. And I use this term real black people. Right. And you were like, huh? Like, real black people. And I was like, no, not the super intellect or, you know, I kind of laid it out. Like, if we can't, can we just hear her say that again?

1:48:47 I think it's like the first 30 seconds. Because you brought it up. I want us to really hear what she said. Was this clip the one we just played? Yes, please. Okay, hold on a second. Of course, we can do that. It's gone crazy. It's gone crazy because I think the perspective that Snoop has, even though I didn't agree with how he, you know, what he called Gail, but the perspective that 50 Cent and Snoop has is not represented on TV. I mean, I'm not expecting, I'm not expecting a major news outlet to go to a bar and pick a guy. But we see the PhDs and we see the club bourgeois on there all the time, the overeducated, the top 10%. Who keeps saying great point, great point? Who's that? That's another guy, another black person.

1:49:31 Is he from the Fuji's? Is that the Fuji's guy? Right on. Yeah, go. Yeah, okay. So, yeah, her point is well made. I understand. Like, she's saying, like, not the typical representation, but I don't know. Like Mo, maybe. Yeah, exactly. Mo. We see it. We're not, you know, we're not, we go to Ivy League schools or whatnot, but we see what's going on. I mean, it'd take a you know, a PhD to figure out that Gail and Oprah have something for black men. And in the previous clip, I think clip three, she mentioned that both of them were victims of sexual assault.

1:50:13 And you asked the question, where, I mean, I kind of glossed over it by saying it's male hate. But I mean, maybe their hate comes from a justified place of, you know, this demographic hurt me. So now I have to go out, you know, and be proactive. That's possible. That's possible for sure. And that's unresolved issues, but understandable to a degree. But it should not matter if it shouldn't matter if it's black or white. And yet they let the white guy slide.

1:50:53 I see the problem. Of course, I never recognized this pattern with Oprah. I just saw the individual pieces. As I said, the Michael Jackson part bothered me a lot because she was such a proponent. And then based on this flimsy documentary, she's switched it up. And as the woman said here, you know, a week long of interviews and everything. The same with R. Kelly, but nothing for the... It's inconsistent and clearly racially based in that case, somehow. And who's going to call her out? Because what we heard in the TMZ Monique clip, it was like, you can't call out Oprah. Snoop is probably uniquely qualified to do that.

1:51:35 Yeah, but even Snoop was. Yeah, well, we'll get there. So another person, one of the super smart elites that were put out to kind of put the fire out was one of your favorites, Mr. Michael Eric Dyson. Oh, no, not this guy. You can have legitimate critiques of Oprah Winfrey and Gail King. You can legitimately ask them, what about their viewpoints about Herbie Weinstein and Al Franken and Charlie Rose versus a Kobe Bryant, right? That's a legitimate critique. What is not legitimate is to, in a vicious sense, assault them.

1:52:18 This cancel culture has to be ended, has to itself be canceled. Well, that's interesting. So he says, here's what you could do, but let's not do it. Yeah. And then the council culture. That's that. They've made their whole second part of their career about cancel culture, calling this person out, going at the avatar. That's exactly what they're doing. Yeah, it's exactly what's going on here. But it's the cancel culture that needs to be canceled. And I want to say something else. Michael Eric Dyson has made most of his career about writing about rappers.

1:52:58 I think he has a book on Jay-Z, one on Tupac, and a few others. Now you're bothered by misogyny. Now you're bothered by foul language. I don't understand. Huh. Yeah. So it's just that, like I said, the bullet have been exposed. They don't have the power they used to. They don't have the power to manipulate through the media because there's other outlets like this show here and other podcasts, YouTube, YouTubers, vloggers, whatever. I mean, fill in the blank that are pointing out the counter narrative.

1:53:42 It's like, no, that's not how it went. This is how it goes. Well, believe it or not, people are getting their information and their cultural fix from places other than the arena that these people play in. Yes, especially with cord cutters. I mean, that's one of the big things because you don't have the broadcast networks. None of our girls have cable. None of them. They come over here to watch the Academy Awards. There's no cable. They don't care. It's not interesting. So that's me. You're tailoring your information due to what you're interested in and your timeline. So CBS is not going to. If you notice, even Oprah said that the interview was out there.

1:54:25 You know, it was only when it became a clip. Yes. And the clip started floating around that people really got upset. Nobody watches their. That's my point. You're right. Because the television interview, no one gives a crap. Oh, wait a minute. There's something on YouTube. There's a clip. There's a clip. That's when people saw it. That's a very good example. In fact, that's probably one of the biggest learning moments from this. So even Mr. Snoop Dogg, I mean, we heard Lamont King say, who could they call? Well, obviously they got on the phone and they got a heavy hitter to chime in on Snoop. The problem with that is, is that when you want to play gangster,

1:55:06 the problem is, is when an actual gangster comes in the room. The problem. You can roar as loud as you want. Roar, roar, scare your friends. The problem is when an actual lion comes in the room, it's like, yo, one of these things is not like the other. Your claws don't look like his claws. And that's exactly what happened because apparently I had no idea. Gail King rolls deep. Apparently, Gail King rolls deep. Because Susan Rice, yes, yes, Susan Rice. You heard me correct. Yes, that Susan Rice. Former National Security Advisor.

1:55:48 Yeah, to the Obama administration. Yeah, Susan Rice hits up Snoop Dogg and tweets at him talking about, yo, that was mad, disrespectful. You need to back the F off because Gail apparently has an army behind her. And if you want to play this game, you're going to lose and it won't be pretty. Wow. So did you see here her actual tweet? No. Okay, so Susan Rice, her actual tweet, I'm going to read it word for word. She says, this is despicable. Gail King is one of the most principled, fair, and tough journalists alive.

1:56:30 Snoop backed the F off and she spelled it out. I mean, what she put four asterisks there. They say, you come for Gail King, you come against an army. You will lose and it won't be pretty. That's the bullet saying, showing their teeth. You come against the army? I mean, like, that sounds more of a threat than what Snoop said to Gail. Yeah. Yeah, you will lose and it won't be pretty. You see what I'm saying? And that's what Lamont King was saying. Who can we get on the phone? It got to be somebody senior.

1:57:12 Yeah, well, that was the one. That's certainly, that's a good one. And the other thing is, is who is she speaking for? I mean, we know her connections. But I mean, that's the Boulet has reared his head. And that goes to show you that when you have to show that kind of power, you really don't have power. Not if you have to do it that way. No, I agree. Unless you're Trump. But then you do it in a funny way. Yeah. And then, but Snoop got the message because he came out and was like, I'm non-violent. He did everything but apologize without apologizing. He was like, I'm non-violent. I didn't mean we're going to come.

1:57:54 Wait a minute. Wait a minute. He be backpedaled. Yeah. And here's the clip. Tops, hold up, though. This big Snoop Dogg. Here's a message for the people that need to know. know. I'm a nonviolent person. When I said what I said, I spoke for the people who felt like Gail was very disrespectful towards Kobe Bryant and his family. Now, with that being said, what I look like wants some harm to come to a 70-year-old woman. I was raised way better than that. I didn't want no harm to come to her and didn't threaten her. All I did was said, check it out. You out of pocket for what you're doing, and we're watching you. Have a little bit more respect for Vanessa, her babies, and Kobe Bryant's legacy.

1:58:36 Yeah. But anyway, I'm going to do what I got to keep doing. Y'all keep doing what y'all doing. We're very nonviolent. We just want to say that first and foremost. We speak from the heart. Some of you who have no heart don't understand that. But anyway, carry on and enjoy your day. That's it. That's it. Oh, man. All right. Well, yeah, he accentuated that he's nonviolent. Got it. And the funny thing is, I never took, when I heard his clip, I never took it. I took it as being very disrespectful. Maybe justified, but very disrespectful.

1:59:19 But I never took it as violent or threatening. Well, you're right. And I think it was probably good that he said that because, you know, Oprah is the one who immediately went, well, it's not those, you know, it's other people that hear that and they go crazy and the death marks. So he did the right thing to defuse whatever he could. But it's fucking Twitter, Instagram. It's such a breeding ground. But the bigger story is it's the good and the bad. Because without it, the bullet will still have control. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. So you have to take the good with the bad.

2:00:01 It's like, in fact, I think Snoop has the upper hand on this because it's his platform. People, you know, Instagram is his platform. And they don't play on that field. They just don't play. They haven't mastered it yet. And I don't think they really let the ball get away from them with the internet and social media because they never saw it'll take them forever to be able to get plants. And have you heard that term before? Plants, right? Sure. I'm sure. I mean, but the term

2:00:37 infiltrators. Yeah, it's often used with in the music industry now where people are really on the record label, but they make them seem like indie artists and then they groom them and then bring them out. And they're like, oh, yeah, that's a, you know. Well, that's what I'm saying. That's what the music is. That's what the music business does. And by the way, I think Billie Eilish is a very good example of that. Exactly. That brother of hers, someone's the genius. I think it's him, but it's not her. Right. So I don't think the Boule has got their legs up on the correct plants that will have the

2:01:22 because you can't fool the people. No, you can't fool people. This is a different medium. You can fool people on television. I built my career in fooling people. It's all dishonest. The television is inherently dishonest. And Instagram is a whole new ballgame. It's not something you can just transition and say, oh, because I got a great camera. It's different. No, no, no. It's a whole different way of communicating. So they can't. They don't understand. Not yet. And let's just pray that we take them out before I'm a nonviolent person. I'm a nonviolent person. When I say take them out, I don't know, Moe. I'm starting to question who's the plant here.

2:02:07 If I say take them out, then they'll be like, oh, you know, Mo's trying to incite violence. Yeah, no, we can't have that. No, we can't have that. No, but what I mean, take them out is take them out of power. Yeah. Because what they're trying to do, and this is the final clip. Mr. Gary Owens, he's a comedian, white comedian, but he plays a majority of black crowds or mixed crowds. That's how he came, you know, came up in the game. He was the quote-unquote white comedian in the black clubs. But he made a point. It's not funny, but he highlighted a point that I was like, wow. I mean, like, the way he said it was spot on.

2:02:51 You. Hey, has anybody else noticed this past week and a half what's going on in the world? This shift in energy? I felt it between, let me tell you something. Since Kobe passed away, between Ari Shafir and Gail King, I just want people to realize what can happen when black people really come together. Because black people is like, look, you ain't talking about Kobe. You ain't talking about our hero. Kobe's a worldwide hero. Italian, China, white, black, Latino. That's a hero, but it's extra because he's a black guy. So black people's like, you ain't talking about our black hero.

2:03:34 I just want people to realize how powerful. And this is coming from white dude. How powerful black people are when they come together. Yes. Particularly in political circumstances. So when you got a guy to talk about, oh, he's a great dad, and you got women talk. One of the good things that came out in the girl dad, I know we kind of poo-pooed that, but a lot of women of all color started saying, oh, how important dads were. Yes. And they were like, no, we can't have that. You know, we can't have this guy as a,

2:04:16 you know, being the lightning rod for dad appreciation. And I honestly believe the whole Gail thing was a counter move to the girl dad thing because they tried to co-opt it, but it had a whole nother effect. Even with him. Oh, because it was resurging, you mean? So because it became so, oh, I see what you're saying. Even though it's a long gone thing, it was super popular at the time. And so this would be a rekindling. And well, we can't have that. A black man, a good father, but to women? And then black women coming out saying about how their dads were good to them. No, no, that's a re-establishment of the patriarchy.

2:05:00 This is not possible. We can't have that. Black man, black man, bad. This is what it is. And there you have crap. Holy crap. I'm a little out of breath from this one. I don't know if it's a good or bad thing, but no, no, it is a good thing. And, well, first of all, it's a great thing because I know that my wife is going to listen to this front to back. She's like, oh, I know, I know she'll love this. And the big eye-opener for me, as always, because it's obviously not on my radar, is this targeting, this specific targeting by Oprah and Gail for years of black men for horrible crimes.

2:05:47 And that's one thing, or accusations, letting white men off. And they're all powerful. You know, Kobe Bryant, you know, the NBA, there's power in there. But look at who they're letting off and for what magnitude or amplification of the types of things they're accusing others of. Wow. Well, that's fucked up. Everyone wants to love Oprah, Mo. Thanks. It's over now. I don't write the news. I just record it. So what we didn't really discuss is that we were going to do a potluck special

2:06:29 for this 25th episode. But of course, this came up. And I'm very glad that we did a pivot here to do this because I think, again, this is something that is fantastic for people to hear and to learn about. And I know they'll take it seriously. When Mo does this, we roll it out like that. You know, it's not just going to be a dumb show business story. So it's appreciated. Which means we will be thanking people probably in the next episode. As I guess we'll have the potluck, unless something else crops up. I mean, whatever. I don't write the news. I just report it. And this was supposed to have been a potluck segment, but the story kept growing all the time. It grew. Now, I understand. And it was like, I can't say that.

2:07:13 You can't just do it in 10 minutes. No, I understand. Yeah, so it grew into a whole show and I thought people would appreciate it. And I do what I always do. Pay attention to everything. And the truth revealed itself. And please feel free to go to mofax.com or mofundme.com to support the work that you hear. It should be bringing you value. And we'd just like to see you return some of that in kind. And we'll talk to you next time right here on Mo Facts with Adam Curry. On the way to work one morning down the path alongside the league. A tenderhearted woman, so I'm poor.

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