21: You're the Father

00:05 Mo Facts with Adam Curry for January 13th, 2020. This is episode number 21. And hello, Mr. Moe. How you doing, sir? I am good, Moe. It's a very sad day, of course, for this show. As we mourn the suspension of Corey Booker's campaign. He was our last hope. Happy trails to you, Corey. Yeah, the news is kind of going crazy. It's like, what? There's only white guys up on stage. That includes Elizabeth Warren as a white guy. Yeah, I heard that too.

00:47 So I was like. Just going nuts over it. Anyway, today, I don't know what we're, I mean, you always surprise me with your topics. And compliments again for the last show, man. That was a lot of fun. I love seeing people on noagendasocial.com or on Twitter where they're like, wow, holy crap, I learned something. That kind of changed my perspective. It's fantastic. I'm sure you see this too. Yeah, and the last clip threw everybody for a loop. So, I mean, I took great joy in that. Oh, if you didn't get to the end, you missed something because, yeah, that totally, I mean, we could hardly even end the show. It's just like, okay. Just guess, I guess I'll end it now.

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02:13 I don't know what you want to call them, but thank you. You know who you are with your special number. And thank you. Thank you very much. No problem. All right. So this is what we call an anonymous friend of the family. Yes. I think that's what it is. Friend of the family. Okay, I like it. All right. Friends of the family. Friends of the family. Excellent. So what are we doing? Mo, what's on deck? Show topic ISO. The patriarchy. Ah, yes. The patriarchy. Okay. The patriarchy. I've always wondered. So we're doing a show. So nice. I said twice. A show about me, basically. Am I not a part of the problem? Am I not in the patriarchy? Well, I'll think it's more of me being the problem.

02:58 Maybe your influence on me. Okay. All right. Not personally, but just what we've seen here is we talked about this before in 2020 that politically we're going to see a wedge driven between black men and black women. Yes, with black women supposedly needing to take charge and show their black men the error of their ways. Yes, the powers that be want to isolate black women into their own demographic. And so I've been seeing little jabs, verbal

03:39 bombs, cherry bombs being lobbed over, you know, but this one really caught me and I was like, okay, it's official. Are black men capable of maintaining a loyal relationship? Oh. I don't speak for the black community, but I do think that a lot of black men, they really don't know how to have true, faithful relationships. They think because they have money, because they have power, that they can treat women any kind of way. Lonnie Love is saying things. And that is something we need to work on. We are still dealing with the point of slavery and we are descendants of slavery.

04:17 And because our families were broken up, we still do not have an idea of how to have together families because our families were broken up. Wow. Okay. A lot of things in there. First of all, this is the real, isn't it? The talk show. Yes, the real. And that's Lonnie Love. Yes. Who is Lonnie? I don't know her. She's a black lady, the heavyset black lady on the show. Yeah, I know who she is. Yeah. All right. Got it. Right. And before this clip, maybe a month or two ago, she let it be known that she's interracially dating

04:56 an older white man. And I've noticed since. since then she's been throwing little, you know, little baby jabs at black men, but she just really came out and to say a whole group of people, a whole group of people that were not. It was completely racist, bigoted, completely, yeah. And if this would have happened and she came back and gave an apology, then this really wouldn't be a show. But for her network, yeah, not to come out and make her apologize to a whole demographic of people. Yeah, that let me know that this is sanctioned. Not maybe influenced or told to say this, but it's like, okay, yeah, we can let that ride.

05:40 Did you see any pushback on Twitter or any other social media about what she said? Because I didn't see anything. This set the black manosphere, which is a thing. It's a black YouTube. It's more like the kind of like the MGTOW-ish. I don't want to put that label on them. Men going their own way. Yeah, men going their own way, black men, black people that are positive towards black males, positive towards the black patriarchs. All right, wait. I'm hearing a branding opportunity here because we need to be able to name this.

06:20 I understand what you're saying, but there's no name for it yet. Well, there actually is. And a couple of people have coined the term. That's why I call it the black manosphere. But it set it on fire. Oh, because history, okay. That she said that she's interracial dating. And she kind of made the excuse of why. Well, she did something kind of nasty. She kind of said, Well, you know, this is all historical and it's, you know, no man about the house, is, I guess, what she referred to. No, wait a minute. She went all the way back to slavery, which is bull crap.

06:59 Right. Which is bullcrap because on this show, we've discussed the time right after slavery, black people had a high level of two-parent households, marriage. That's right. And it declined in the 1940s, 50s, 60s to where the state is now. So that was she was even incorrect in her analysis of why it was. But my thing is, for her to be able to say that on a national television show and nobody made her apologize or walk it back or anything, that lets you know that it's open season on black men and the black patriarchy.

07:43 Not to belabor it. What's the name of her older boyfriend? I have no idea. Because he's not known. And that's the other thing. It's like you didn't get okay. I'm looking. Well, you know, I'm naturally curious. Okay. His name is James Welsh. All right. Okay. Boring guy. All right. Let's onward. Okay. So onward. She's not the first person, as I stated before, that has said derogatory

08:25 comments about men. And sometimes when people say men, they only mean a specific group of men. We had a singer named Kay Michelle. This, I did a show on it on my YouTube channel where she says, I don't think men are good people. So they pressed her on this topic on this radio show. Notice the radio, black radio, where she's propagating this mindset. And she said, oh, no, only good person I know is my dad. That's it. So after that, I took this next clip. I took, went back and listened to see if I need to clip that part, but it wasn't really, I just expressed to you what she said.

09:08 But I found this little nugget that I found interesting. Nowadays, that's not the men that I see. They don't have any of it, no heart like that. Like, I went to JJ's yesterday. I wanted to go to Cambodia. Yeah. And I like, hey, you finna get it. Yes, I am. And I went back there with the dudes in the back, and young dude asked me, He said, Who, where your security? Where you at? I said, Well, sir, how old are you? I said, Why are you asking me for just security? You supposed to secure me. You the black man. Yeah. Like, why I gotta be scared around you? You supposed to protect babies and men. Speaking of. These men ain't protecting nobody. Why do you think that is? Because they mamas ain't raised. And I, and they, they've seen, it's what they've seen.

09:52 If you don't know, you don't know. They haven't even seen better, you know, for them to know how to do better. All right. Here's what I heard. I heard a number of things. The one that was, I think, would be quite offensive is their mama didn't raise them. Did I nail it? Yeah, that you don't. And by the way, you don't say that to a black mother. I don't care if it's true or not, unless you want to get that shoe by Eddie Murphy. So here's, but she made a valid point: who raised them? Right. Who raised these young men? They're mothers for the majority, not fathers.

10:34 Yep. And this is the really the point I want to make in this show and highlighting the show. And we're not going to be attacking anybody because it's not what I really do. I highlight how things are, how they got that way, and who was behind it. That's kind of like what we do on the show. Oh, yeah. So for her to say, why did she say the fathers? Because that was what you would think a man would get his male traits to protect and, you know, masculinity to be protective for women and children and things of that nature. You would say, oh man, your father didn't teach you anything. Well, I presume she's making a generalization that

11:20 black men grow up without their fathers. Exactly. And that's the root of the problem. That is the root of the problem. How can you learn something from somebody that they're not there to teach you? Now, we're going to get into why we spoke about why no man in the house and it just became now it's cultural, it's cultural, but there was a there was a period. I mean, some things that happened in between the no man in the house period and now that we're really going to deep dive in because I know people like, oh, we kind of covered this topic before. Yes, we did, but there's one segment of time that we didn't really get into.

11:59 But you're probably wondering why is this a big issue? Why, where did this really crop up at? So I was looking through some old clips I had, and I found this interesting one from MSNBC and Donny Deutsch. Oh, this guy. That guy. Yeah. Okay. Donny Deutsch, former advertising executive. Here we go. Donald Trump was the aggressor, was taking it to her, but he lost the debate. Let me tell you why. It's very simple. This is no longer about politics. This is a gender war. Okay. This is, I've spent thousands of hours in women focus groups. And the Friday thing. How did you sneak out? Listen, guys,

12:44 I mean, the Friday thing of we don't have to redo it, of grabbing a woman's. Every woman in America, listen, you would dismiss it, was lensing that for you last night. As he was lurking behind, as Nicole Wallace said, I would have called 911 as he was telling he's going to jail her. Women in America are going to stand up and revolt. It's always been about the women, and there will be more to come. And the words didn't mean anything. Every woman in America who has ever been held down, oppressed, harassed, there is something in them. There's a nerve that is hit that so transcends everything else. And if you're not seeing that, you're missing them. By the way, that's not the point that men objectify women. We all know it. It's what they heard and saw.

13:29 Okay. How do you interpret this? This is a gender war. Well, of course. Everybody's talking about World War III. Iran. No, World War III is the gender war. And it got hot in 2016 or leading up into 2016, the election. That's when it went hot. It was cold. But now this is where we're at. And I know that's a stretch. You're like, come on, Mo. But for a certain group of women to come out on television and target a whole demographic

14:10 repeatedly, woman after woman, I could have done 10 of these clips of celebrities, quote-unquote celebrities saying sideway things towards black men. It's interesting you brought Donny Deutsch in because what he, I think, specifically in what the Morning Joe show that he's on, what they, they really are, or they believe, and I think they're correct, they are speaking to white suburban moms. So it is a gender war, but it's right now you've got an old white dude saying this, but what I'm hearing here in your clip from The Real is now we have black women. women basically trying to split off black women from black men.

14:55 Yes, because they don't want that mindset of asking for tangibles, which tangibles is a logical thing. You give me something for something return. No, they want the emotional play. So they need us out of the way so they can run their emotional script like they've been doing for ages because it doesn't work on this anymore. Or for the most for, I mean, take that back. It doesn't work on a sizable portion of the black male community. It doesn't work anymore. And it's funny that you said that. This is great while you said that. You said that MSNBC Morning Joe targets white suburban women. That's right.

15:38 Well, it was something I couldn't clip because it was visual. So you have Mika, she miles to a black female pundit that was on this panel. Oh, that thing you said about white women, it's like it was really inaudible. So you couldn't really, I could catch it, read lips, and see what she was saying. She said, the thing you said about white women, and you like nodded. And then the black female pundit dove right in. And it was like, yeah, white women finally can see about being victimized by the Donald Trump with him saying, grab him by the, you know what? Now they can see the pain, you know. And then Mika gives an okay sign, like, great, that's great.

16:17 Okay. So now I'll post it on my Twitter so people can see that clip, but it was just amazing. Like right on Cube, she sent, you know, saying, like, get them. And that's where we're at right now. Get him. Right. But at this point, we are talking about talking heads and pundits on television who may have a have a different, who have an agenda and have a program they're running through. I don't know if this is, I doubt this is universal outside of television land and politics land. Or is it? Well, we're going to investigate the influence of television. Oh, good. And how it trickles, how it trickles down. It fucks everybody up. Yes, exactly. Right.

17:02 So, but Lonnie Love, she's not a political pundit. I mean, she does daytime television, which I think daytime television is some of the most powerful propaganda. Sometimes, I mean, I'm off on weekdays. I used to be off for weekdays. And I would just sit down and watch it. I'm like, holy crap. I mean, this is a straight up. Oh, well, you know, I'm a view watcher. So, yeah. Right. Totally. It's all massive propaganda and shaming. Group thing, shaming, cancel culture. Oh, yeah, it's all there. Absolutely. So, I mean, I just took that away so we can't just poo-poo what Lonnie says. And like I said, what got me was, you know, most of the time the network, like, well, you need to go clean that up, you know.

17:46 And that just goes to show you what they think about black men. Wow. We're not a demographic. Any other group, you could say, yeah, lumberjacks. You know what I'm saying? Can't maintain a lower relationship. And then, you know, the lumberjack contingency would come out and say, hey, you need to back off the lumberjacks. And they would come out. You'd have a spokeshole, at least. You'd have someone to a union. A guy from Bronnie. You had a guy from Bronnie. Exactly. All right. All right. So one of your favorite guys, Jason Whitlock. Oh, yeah. I love this guy. He said from Fox Sports. Fox Sports Swan, right? FS1.

18:26 Yeah. Yes, but I found him doing an interview on a podcast called Schoon TV, Unscripted. Oh, man. Now, we know that on podcasts, people always get loose. And I think Whitlock is, he talks really straight on mainstream TV. So I can't wait to hear what he's got to say here. I'm a fan of this guy. It's the honest truth. It's about to be set loose. So Whitlock won patriarchy. Believe in family, believe in the patriarchy. And again, I don't told, I am the patriarchy. I tell people up front, you know, and I pay a price for that with these woke women out here now.

19:10 But I believe men and women have unique responsibilities. And I'm willing to live up to mine as a man. I don't, and again, unique responsibilities, not unequal responsibilities, unique responsibilities. All the responsibilities that apply to a man, I'm willing to take on. Okay, fair enough. So I think that was a clear statement of where if you had to say whether black patriarchy was, we all know what our responsibility is, and we're willing to the guys that live up to that standard.

19:54 And what does that mean? I got to call you out, Mo. What does that mean? What is what is the standard? What is that? Living just said, it's protecting women, protecting children, being a provider, being responsible for your actions, using logic over emotion. It's a very traditional, it's a very traditional approach to a relationship. Relationship. And this was the bedrock of the black community before you had second wave feminism come in and kind of drive a wedge there. Now, now we're seeing the results: a third wave, and we're seeing the destruction of the black family structure.

20:40 And this is where we're at. And it's like now with the information age, where people can pinpoint where we went wrong, people can go back, read literature, watch videos, see stuff, how things really went down, and they can pinpoint it. It's like, oh, we're not going to recreate or redo those mistakes. We want to fix it. So you have a lot of guys, a sizable number of guys that want to be fathers in their homes, that want to be providers to their wives, you know. But to get what we respect in return, that's where the rub is.

21:19 And I wanted to lead off with that clip of his because men and women are equal. They're not the same, but they are equal. And we have unique roles. Oh, man. You know, that's so unwoke of you. I mean, that's I'm just saying there's so there's an additional dynamic to this is what you see as you know a traditional or the roles and the relationship, which I'm not disagreeing with, um, is so traditional that it's actually not woke. And I think there's a brain fry going on with some people when you want that.

22:01 Yeah. This is the new woke. I'm, and the reason why I say that woke is, I think, woke is used to mean counterculture, counterculture. Yeah. And patriarchy in the black community is the new counterculture. Masculinity is the new counterculture. Not tox, not toxic in the form of masculinity of bravado and being overly gangster or whatever. No, but literally patriarchal. Funny enough. That's exactly what the request is patriarchy. Oh no. This is this is brain fry.

22:46 Yeah. But let's get here some more, Jason. Jason Whitlock, Black Family. All kinds of decisions are being made. All kinds of new cultural norms are being established that perhaps you don't agree with. And but you're running around chasing after Trump and don't even care that all your cultural norms are being reshaped. And again, we have created particular, it's throughout American society, but it's most acute in our society.

23:25 We have been convinced as black men and women that we don't need each other. That's the most toxic, poisonous, dangerous creation we could have. We're on the precipice of self-destruction if that takes root. Wow. Yeah. So, and here's the thing: however, other people want to live their lives, it doesn't bother me. Uh, I've voiced my opinion on it, should be a parent in the home and a parent that works. I think that's the best situation. Now, that's not ideal for everybody because of financial reasons.

24:09 I'm not saying one gender is obligated to stay at home and one gender is not, but I think traditionally one parent should be able to stay at home. And just to point that out, um, what we should be fighting for instead of the gauge on the uh, what is it, the wage gap, we should be fighting for a wage where families can live off of one income. Yeah, no kidding. If we all got on the same page, you know, but the power structure doesn't want that, that's why I said. this is World War III and it's being fought in the kitchens, in the living rooms, in the bedrooms inside the homes. When you say the power structure doesn't want that,

24:54 what don't they, for what reason does the power structure not want that? All right. Here's my theory. Just my theory. Okay, after World War II, and we heard some of this on the show, black men came back from World War II wanting to have a piece of the American pie, right? Because it was to be had. I mean, we had the spoils of war going into the 1950s. That was like the ideal American time minus the race stuff, minus the race stuff, just American life. When you watch American television, you know, you had the two cars and the white picket fence and the two and a half kids.

25:31 You know, everything was just perfect, right? What did that lead to? The 1960s, where you had the generation of free thinkers, and they said, no, we can't have that anymore. We need to keep everybody so stressed financially and otherwise that they can't produce free thinkers. Is that crazy? No, no, not at all. Not at all. So I think that was the problem. And they looked in the 60s, like, oh, this is what prosperity breathes. But you know, a bunch of free thinkers. It's like, it's pretty short-sighted, this current strategy.

26:12 But I guess certainly in power and politics, everything is short-sighted. It's a short cycle. Yeah, I mean, because they're going to profit anyway. I mean, they just, they're too big to lose. I mean, not to use a cliche, but they really are too big to lose. So, I mean, it's not about profits then. It's about control. Right. Yes, it's desperate. Desperate man, desperate times, desperate measures, and all in full-in chop away. And speaking of control, one of the control mechanisms is, well, Jason speaks on that and Whitlock too. Again, you got to, social media is not the real world, in my view.

26:56 That is a world controlled by Silicon Valley and how white liberals and other liberal activists, how they want us to be perceived, is what social media is, particularly Twitter and the whole black Twitter phenomenon that they created, that perception that there's a black Twitter and that black Twitter has a monolithic liberal voice. That's a created thing. Yeah, for sure. I mean, I'm in gray Twitter and I see it. I see a lot of interesting conversations. Certainly not a lot of agreement. I don't see one big block, but that is what it can be perceived as and shaped as and called for sure.

27:41 And this is the council culture. This is the control mechanism that we were speaking about, how you can basically control people's thoughts in a way. It's like if it doesn't fly on Twitter, you'll start to self-censor. It's like, oh, that's not trending or this is trending or this is trending negatively. So now I need to recalibrate. Exactly. Even better than that is, and this is just my view of what I call the machine. But if you can get, and just as you said, you try this, no, it didn't work. Get this. Oh, I got something going. Gotta go heat. I'm trending now. And then, oh, can I get it to spill over onto cable television?

28:22 That happens. Then it's great because then the whole machine goes, then the clips are put on Twitter. And then it's just a perpetual motion, just a cycle that goes over and over again and can get really strong like a cyclone. And we've seen this because Miss Lonnie Love's statement. You can go on Twitter and find this statement anywhere. It's just that it's become so comfortable on social media. Now it's being said for public consumption across the airwaves. Right. But my biggest thing was the lack of apology. Then that means in the place where illegal gets called for everything, it's like illegal had to say about this. Yeah, and I don't think you're obviously I don't think you're like personally outraged and offended, but you're looking at the facts of it.

29:07 No apology requested. Okay, this is messaging. My point exactly. My feelings weren't hurt at all. I mean, like, they can keep Lonnie, whoever, whatever. But it's just, dude, I think it, I think it's punishment enough. You got to watch the real. I mean, that's pretty harsh. Yeah, yeah. That's hard. But it's not only on social media that the powers that be they. they, as we refer to them, lovely, they want to control other forms of entertainment, and that's Whitlock 3.1. You know, you said something about masculinity a few times. You referenced it, right? No.

29:53 The NFL is a very masculine sport, is it not? Without question, it's the most masculine thing in pop culture, and it's the most powerful thing in pop culture. Are there some sort of effort underway to emasculate NFL players, black NFL players? They look black, the NFL is the largest showcase of black masculinity we've ever seen in America. It's the most popular show on Fox, ESPN,

30:31 ABC, NBC, and CBS. That's five television networks that the NFL is the number one show on. That's unprecedented in pop culture. That's unprecedented in television history. And so, and it's a showcase of black male masculinity. And I just don't think some people are comfortable with that. Ooh, I know a couple of things, but man, if they start to mess with Moe's football, man, now it is going to get personal. They already have. And that was the thing with the Colin Kaepernick thing. Of course. It was about Discordianism. It was about, okay, if we could push this agenda, then what's,

31:14 as I've said before, we're always the first through the door. The race thing is always the first through the door. And then we're left holding the door for every other ideology to come after. So it's like, if it's Colin Kaepernick thing flies, then the door is open. You know, we can wedge everything else in to attack the most masculine thing in American pop culture, as Whitlock said. And it's the biggest television show. Oh, it's number one on TV. Yeah. Number one on five stations by a landslide. You know, so that was that we're seeing it start to

32:01 realize the beginning of the end. Well, I think that was the, that was the flag was planted. It was like, no, you're not going to touch my NFL. Not because of some self-righteous thing. I think men, that's our only escape left is sports. Right. NFL being the biggest mental escape because when you work a nine to five, 40 hours a week, Saturday is meant for the family, and Sunday is meant for my football. No, I'm just telling you, the average American that's American as apple pie. I'm not out of touch, Mo. No, no, no, I know you don't watch sports, but I'm just saying is

32:44 let me forgive you, just give you some perspective, a little inside baseball. Here we go. Black churches and our schedule around football. This is true inside baseball. And we're talking about football. This is a good one. I like it. This is, I did not realize. Okay. All right. Black church usually starts at 10:30, 11 o'clock, right? A.M. But on Super Bowl Sunday. Well, no, 12:45, you're looking at your watch, you're looking at the pastor, and you're looking at your watch, and you're looking at the pastor. Like, kickoff is at one. And the pastor's looking back going, I know, kickoffs at one.

33:27 Right. Normally, there's a con, I mean, uh, the people usually congregate outside and chat and y'all and no, not during football season. It's like, wow. Just for some perspective, my dad used to drive a separate car to leave early. To leave. To leave on time. Now, he wouldn't leave early. He leave electrically early. That's a good story. But let's just tell you how powerful football is because it's symbolic of war. I mean, it gets the juices going. And I want to remind people who are listening because, you know, you and I are just shooting the shit with each other, but there are people listening.

34:09 Whenever Mo says inside baseball, pay attention. That's time to take it off 1.5 times speed. Slow it down to one because you're going to learn something. I love this one. Good nugget, Mo. Yeah. So, I mean, that was hands-off. And that's why you saw such a pushback, not only among white. white males, but black males. It's like, dude, you're messing with my football. No, you went too far. Not boycott football? Are you crazy? I mean, that was a real sentiment. But I digress and we'll let Jason continue on toxic masculinity. And I think if you look at our society as a whole, there's an attack on masculinity.

34:53 They say there's an attack on toxic masculinity. I say there's an attack just on masculinity in general. And football, in terms of pop culture, is the head of the snake. And yeah, I think football's under attack for those political reasons. Wow. What is the goal to emasculate such a masculine sport? Should we start playing flag football? Well, I think there's a group, a part of society that has decided that men are the cause of all problems in the world.

35:34 And let's say that's true. But you also got to give men then credit for the good things in the world. If they get all the blame for everything bad, let's give them all the credit for everything that's good. And so don't try to, well, the bad things are all on y'all, and we got to, the good things are on us. You know, I'm a little torn because I thought it was just the white guys who were the problem. And I, you know, and I was kind of bearing the brunt of that. And, you know, now I got to share it with you. What the hell? Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Well, this is this is not

36:18 discussed. This is not discussed or well known. We're about to get into the, what is it, Victim Olympics here? No, no, no. We've been dealing with this for so long. It's just like, it's now you're just seeing it. It's like, no. And Stephen A. Smith says something, and it's not exactly correct, but it's catchy the way he says it. He says, when white people get a cold, black people get the flu. I think that's how he says it. And whenever you see a problem cropping up, we're the what is the thing? It slips my mind called the lead, the lead indicator.

37:03 Yeah, canary in the coal mine. Yes, black people in general and black men in this case are the lead indicator. Pay attention what's going on here. I am. Oh, believe me, I am. Even if I don't like football, I get it. I see the problem. I see it. This is the lead indicator of, oh, well, okay. I'll let Jason Whitlock explain it. New leadership. The world, there's an element of the world that wants to usher in new leadership, female leadership across the world. It's like the time for man has passed in their mind.

37:44 And so, again, if there's going to be an attack on any group, black people are going to be the first people up to get attacked. And so I feel like, and I know white guys will disagree with this because I hear them crying all the time. They feel like they're under their hardest attack. And I'm like, man, y'all don't even know. Really? So now I get attacked by my fellow man because I did exactly the same thing. All right. Well, you know what? Thank you, Mo. Thanks for bringing this because I was truly bigoted in thinking that, yeah, this is just the white man who is hated. And now it turns out I get to share.

38:25 Yeah. And learn and learn. Maybe there's a couple of tips. Maybe there's a few things that you've already witnessed, experienced, and learned that you can pass on. That's why we're doing this show. No, I know. I know. I'm just leading the show. No, I'm just saying. What I'm saying is that's the specific show. That's why we're doing it because there is a war going on. You might not have been drafted yet. You might have not been not on the front lines yet, but there is definitely. And I think for older people, and why I say older, my age and older, we don't experience it as much because we went through the mating ritual

39:12 in a different time. No, I'm definitely removed from this for sure. But the younger people, I'd say 30 and under, they are going through this and it's. it's man, I would not want to be single now. And I know that sounds weird because most people are, oh man, if I could do it. No, I don't. I would not want to have the date in this environment because it's the environment itself is toxic. It's not the masculinity, it's the interaction between the two sexes that's toxic. There's a lot going on for sure. Yes.

39:53 But as we always do, we have to go back and say, where did this come from? Yes. What was the source of it? So I did a little digging. This is on Brooklyn TV, a television show called BK Live, and it discusses black radical feminists over the years. I mean, the women in this exhibition, many of them were part of organizations that were, you know, quote-unquote mainstream feminists. They were in dialogue. I don't at all want to create the impression that this was like a deep schism and there was no attraction, because in fact, the model that I would use that Catherine and I, my co-creator, have come up with is much more of a Venn diagram.

40:34 It's like some of these people appear in so many different places. They would maybe be involved with Ms. Magazine, which was founded by Gloria Steinem and Letty Puggerbin, a very kind of mainstream feminist publication. But, you know, Faith Ringold appears in that publication. Alice Walker was an editor. Toni Morrison wrote many kinds of our iconic figures, black women, feminists, appeared in that publication. Well, yes, I know what's coming when you mentioned Gloria Steinem. I think we've brought it up on the show before, haven't we? Yes, and this is this. This is these next two clips of throwback clips, but we have to do it for perspective.

41:11 And just to really, as the lady said on the last clip, Miss Magazine, that's MS Magazine. It employed a ton of black feminists in the era of the 1970s, 1980s. And these women went to go on to be the pinnacle of black feminism. And it had a source, which is Gloria Steinem. But Gloria Steinem had an interesting connection. Gloria, at the festival, you worked for the Independent Research Service. Well, exactly when did your own association with the CIA start and in what fashion?

41:52 Did they come to you or did you go to them? In 1958, when I came home from India, I discussed with student leaders past and present, many of them active with the National Student Association, this kind of small foundation to encourage Americans to go. They thought it was a good idea, too. I was then told by foundations and professors and friends that I should not do this, that I would get in trouble with the House on American Activities Committee, the American Legion, all of those 50s people. And I became convinced that it was impossible.

42:36 It was at that point that the student leaders said to me that they had in the past received funds for international programs from the CIA and that they felt that this was important and could also be partly funded by the CIA. No, they're such a philanthropic organization, those CIA guys. We just feel it's good. Don't worry. It's good work. So, Gloria, she's obviously connected to the CIA. Well, I love how she, when I came back from India, I was approached by the CIA. Things that don't happen to most people because I came back from India.

43:17 Right. And it's just that, but what you would have to, what most people would believe, and even I brought this up with my mother, and she didn't even know this. And just for perspective, my mom came up through the brow burning era. She actually participated in that mindset, which made for interesting dinner conversations between her and my father, which was very not super stoked about it. No, when I told her this, she was like, what? I was like, yeah, my mother. You know what I'm saying? She didn't know about the CIA connection to the very little people know about this connection.

43:56 Wow. And she was shocked. Did she feel like she probably had been a bit manipulated once you told her that? Yes. Yes. Because these women that were listed in the previous clip were icons for women her age, just like they're even icons for women in present day. still selling their books. They're still giving speeching engagements. Well, Jane Fonda still has an active career. She was a part of the gang back then. Exactly. So it's just that they created these icons

44:36 to basically mislead or push an agenda. So let's just get into part two of this clip. Particular points of view to put forward, which would have been much, much more restricting than the CIA funds were, which were free. I mean, no one was told what to say. You mean they were free? You mean to say it was easier for you to work for the CIA than a private? That's right. That's right. And the reason I think that comes as a surprise is it did to me at the time. I mean, I had the conventional liberals' view of the CIA as a right-wing incendiary group.

45:17 And I was amazed to discover that this was far from the case, that they were enlightened, liberal, non-partisan activists of the sort who characterized the Kennedy administration, for instance. Yeah. Wow. I played that clip just to let people all because people say, oh, CIA, that's when you think CIA, you think American Dad, you know, that prototype. But these were very liberal thinking people that was passing around funds to propagate their ideologies. With that said,

45:58 one name that wasn't mentioned in the rundown of the radical black feminists was Michelle Wallace. Have you heard of Michelle Wallace before? Yes, this name rings a bell. Have we talked about her before on the show? A smidget, a smidget, but she's very important to this narrative where we're headed at. Okay. Michelle Wallace, she is best known for her 1979 book, Black Macho and the Myths of the Superwoman. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. And this is like one of the feminist Bibles

46:45 for modern day third wave feminists. So it says here, I'm just going off the wiki here. It just says the macho, Black Macho, it was published in 1979. It criticized sexism in the black community and black nationalism in the 1960s. Remember, we had a show about black nationalism when with Malcolm X. He was talking about we need to be self-sufficient. And all of a sudden, here comes this woman with this book, basically tearing it down in a way. She called it, called the men hyper-masculine, hyper-sexualized,

47:29 inordinately strong black women. That's what the superwoman was. It was an inordinately strong black woman unfazed by white racism, which is weird because I don't want to get ahead of myself, but I will. Well, while you were talking, I'm listening and I'm also looking through some of her career and I'm getting a much better picture of Miss Wallace here. I think the reason why she is lost to history, she is really, her work is out there, but herself is lost to history. And the reason why I say that is they have no problem with the black macho part, but the superwoman part is actually an

48:10 archetype now. Right. Beyonce. Yes, inordinately strong black woman unfazed by white racism. Right. Which what brings to mind to me is scandal. Olivia Pope. Like I said, Beyonce, Oprah, Michelle Obama. Yeah, I mean, there's lots of superwomen. Right. So I think they embrace the superwoman part. So they didn't want to say the myth of the superwoman. So I think that's like kind of got to slide her to the side. And there were other reasons that we'll get into, but let's just get into the bio of Miss Michelle Wallace.

48:52 Oh, she became famous in 1979 when at 27 she published the book Black Macho and the Myth of the Superwoman, a book in which she criticized black nationalism and sexism. She completed her PhD in 1999 at NYU and Cinema Studies. Her topic, her dissertation was passing. lynching and Jim Crow, U.S. Visual Culture, 1895 to 1927, in which she wrote extensively about early film, including Uncle Tom's Cabin, Birth of a Nation, and the silent films of Oscar Mishu.

49:31 She's written a ton of books, her own books, but also she's been the editor of multiple volumes. She is a professor currently at City College, New York, and where she teaches every semester. And then in this semester, in the fall semester, she will be teaching a course on Tony Morrison. So that's her bio. And I know you guys are like, oh man, that sound quality is horrible. Well, when I went to go dig for Miss Michelle Wallace, the only interview I could find of her on YouTube was some lady in her kitchen interviewing her via on Skype or something.

50:11 Yeah, I could hear the digital. Yeah, I know you were like, I know you're an audiophile. So like, what the hell? But I mean, that's it. So there's no, she's been whitewashed, dare I say, I'm deeply whiteball. She's been whiteballed. So, but that's weird. It's like the mother of this book that was so pivotal, and it was pivotal. Don't get it wrong. It was two books we're going to discuss in that time period. This being the first one, she made the cover Miss Magazine. That was a huge thing.

50:53 Yes. So she's basically just not doesn't. I mean, if you don't exist on YouTube, do you exist at all, really? Exactly. If you don't have a body, I mean, because everybody has VHS tapes they're uploading. And I mean, listen to some of the things we put on this show that were captured in, you know, the most obscure places. And this is modern day. I mean, I think that that interview made was like two or three years old. You Skyping with a lady. But she was also Essence Magazine's editor at large in 83. Uh-huh.

51:34 Columnist for the Village Voice in the mid-90s. I mean, this is a published, she's published, but even this stuff is like, wow, that's, I guess, and, you know, and all because of the myth of the superwoman part, probably. That's what I assume. And there's other reasons that we'll get into. She's been really been canceled, like for real. Yeah. Buried by history. But let's get into her legacy. So what do you want your legacy to be? Because, you know, everything is changing, but the work and the significance of your work is not changing.

52:14 Your work is still significant, if not more, than it was 20, 25, 30 years ago. So what would you like for your legacy to be? Well, I don't know. It saddens me somewhat that Black Macho is still so deeply relevant for young black women. I mean, for a long time, I was in denial about that. You know, what could you all possibly know about what this was like? But apparently it's still going on. And that saddens me. Have you had a chance to read the book, Benny? You know, Mo? Have you come across it?

52:56 No, I haven't came. I'm actually going to order a copy. I was going to say, I'm thinking I want to read this. Yeah, I actually do too. I do too. I mean, I've saw numerous videos of people discussing the book and the impact that it had on them. But I would like to read it for myself. I just got to find the time. I mean, just to be honest with you. But yeah. But at the same time, so she got lost in history. And I couldn't find anything else about her. So, I mean, I dug deep, deep. No, I know you. Deep in. You do your research. No, no, there's no doubt about that. No doubt. No doubt.

53:39 Interesting. But while digging for her and clips on her, I found this clip. And just to say to people, take the speaker with a grain of salt, but the content I have verified. In 1978, Gloria Steinem put a book called Black Macho and the Myth of the Superwoman on the cover of Ms. Magazine. The book was written by a black feminist and activist named Michelle Wallace, who came out of nowhere. Wallace was in her early 20s. 20s at the time, yet she was being touted as the leader of black feminism. In the book, Wallace called abolitionists like Harriet Tubman and Sojourner to Truth ugly and stupid for supporting black men.

54:23 She called black revolutionaries chauvinist macho pigs and advised black women to go it alone. Gloria Steinem said that Wallace's book would define the future of black relationships, and she pushed hard to make sure the book received massive publicity. Gloria Steinem's work triggered a flood of hate black men books and films that continues to this day. Needless to say, some were quite suspicious of Ms. Magazine and Gloria Steinem. Why was Steinem sticking her nose into the affairs of the black community? So people started doing some research in Steinem. When it came out that Gloria Steinem was probably the ghostwriter of the book with Michelle Wallace's name on it, Wallace had a nervous breakdown and went into hiding for two years.

55:04 Oh, Mo! You are keeping this from me. Nice one. Must be very hard when I ask these questions. You already know what's coming up next. Oh, this is great. I had no idea about this. My mom was a big Gloria Steinem fan. I mean, she now, I got what do I have? 15 years on you? 10. But I think she was an icon for a lot of women. I mean, because if you just take it at face value, as we take all the leaders, you know, I mean, you can say the same thing for MLK, whoever else, we don't understand the powers that are behind them that are propelling them on the TV screen being what trending is now.

55:49 So to be on a front page of a popular magazine, that's kind of like trending number one on Twitter now. Oh, in a way. But also, Ms. Magazine, a black feminist, and certainly in that time, and it must have been phenomenal. And it's interesting because everything that I heard here would work perfectly in today's world, except for the myth of the Superwoman, of course. But maybe they can do an abridged version of the book. Yeah, cut that part out. No myth, yeah. I think it's accepted. It's like, yeah, you know, you don't understand it, but I am the I am Superwoman. Yeah, something like that. Yeah. So there we have it.

56:34 It seems that she was backed by some nefarious agenda. Well, worse. I mean, this is claiming that she was a phony, even that this book was written indirectly by the CIA. And you wonder if you wrote a killer book, you should be able to at least maintain a career as a writer. I'm not saying, I mean, lightning only strikes once, you know, it never strikes twice. But you should be able to at least maintain and have other works that you'd be writing some stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That would at least, you know, keep your momentum going. But she just disappeared. Now, what would the benefit be for

57:15 the powers that be to do this? So if the CIA is supporting, is supporting this indirectly or actually quite directly through Gloria Steinem, who may or may not have written it, but certainly promoted it. What is the agenda? Is the agenda again just control? It's still control. Hang with me now. Okay, brother. I'm here. Yeah, I'm here. No, no, I'm going to ask you a question, but I want you to think about it as in then and now. Okay. Okay. We're going to go a couple few shows back when Malcolm X was talking about black people not voting and because that was black nationalism. Right. Not voting and doing for ourselves and having our own thing.

58:02 And then she comes out with this book attacking black nationalism. If a white person says black nationalism is bad, that doesn't really do anything. You know, I mean, it's like, yeah, of course it's bad. I mean, it's not, it's not good for you. Second point: Gloria Steinem. She said she was surprised by what made up the CIA. You would think it'd be this super conservative organization, but it was really a large group of liberal thinking people. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. So if Malcolm X says the liberals are the problem. Gotcha. That you've been voting for. Right. He's got to go.

58:47 And his ideology has to go with him because, you know, you can kill the man, but the bigger thing is killing the ideology. Now, now get in your time machine and come to 2020. All right. And you can see why the black male patriarchy is under attack again because. the black male patriarchy is loosely based in black nationalism in a way. And it's weird because you hear white nationalism. I was going to say, it's like, if I called you a black nationalist, that would make me a white nationalist by default. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. It's really funny. And we were equal. And we're equal in the same people's eyes.

59:31 Yeah, except I could get stoned to death for saying it. Yeah, but it's the same sentiment towards me. Of course. No, of course. No, of course. No, of course. Global good, national bad. But it's no mo. It actually is a government plot. We're not conspiracy theorists. We're not just paranoid. They're actually out to get us. Yes. And I'm here to warn you. Thank you. Thanks, man. Just in time. All right. So where are we at? Okay. So for every polar, there needs to be a polar opposite. Thank you. And this same time, there was a lady named Sharzad Ali.

1:00:17 And she wrote a book, a very pivotal book. Let me find the name of it. A very inflammatory book. Also, The Black Man's Guide to Understanding the Black Woman. It was for this book. It was written in 1989. So that's what, 10 years later? Because as you heard the man, the speaker before say, Michelle Wallace's book set off a bunch of black male hate writings. So national. I remember her. I know you do.

1:00:56 I know. Well, also, I was working in New York and where our studios were was Donahue and Sally Jesse Raphael. Maybe that's not. Donahue, I think, is a good example. And who's the other? The one who married Connie Chung? Maury, Maury Povich. She made it. Yes. I recognize the headgear. Like, oh, yeah, I remember her. Very iconic. She got like lightning bolt. Yeah, yeah. It's like an African queen thing going on there. Yeah. But she was hated. But let's listen to her on Geraldo. Understandably created a firestorm of controversy within the black community.

1:01:39 And we have assembled a distinguished group to debate its premise and its message. Basically, that the black woman is responsible for most of what ails the black community. Now, before we get into what promises to be a passionate debate, I'd like to introduce you to Debbie Mitchell, the co-producer of this program. Debbie, I want to start. I know it's unusual, but I want to start with two questions to you, the producer of the program. First of all, what do you think about the basic premise of the book that the black woman is responsible for most of what ails the black community? First of all, black men and black women know that the black community is under strains right now. And for Shaharazad, a black woman, to basically attack black women, I think that she's putting blame.

1:02:23 It seems like she's putting blame on them for the state of the situation. Are you frightened by this book? I mean, are people reading it? Yeah, people are reading it. It's specifically the younger black males. I see a lot of them on the trains when I'm coming into work. Their heads are glued to the book, and it's scary. It's scary. Scary. Okay, I didn't use much from that show from Harald to accept that introduction. That was the introduction. That's how the show started off. Right. Even he said it's unusual. So you bring a guest on. You don't let you tell what you think the book is about.

1:03:04 And you don't let the guests speak. And then you go to your black producer to say, hey, this is kind of unusual. But I don't want to ask you two questions about this book that we haven't even talked about yet. That's not strange at all. Well, of course. Yeah, so they when she made the rounds, that's what she got all. I mean, I watched pretty much all of them. Geraldo and like you said, Donahue. The three they had on YouTube was Geraldo Donahue, and it was another one. I can't remember. So what's her deal?

1:03:41 What is her background? Where is she coming from? Well, her background is she's a she wrote several books. She's an author. This was her biggest book by far. She has, she comes from the teachings of the Nation of Islam. Just to give you some perspective for her ideology. But yeah, it's, well, the thing I did, I kept digging. And I found this obscure interview she had with WFU on WF SU in 1991, which was like, it's kind of like a public access

1:04:23 kind of channel. And she was sitting down with this black contemporary kind of professional female. So it was like, okay, it was a good, it was a good long-form interview. And let's get into clip one from that segment. And refuse to give. And that led me to try to find out. You know, we've always heard that the black man leaves the black family, abandons his woman and children, won't take care of the children, won't work, stays out all night, turns into a drunk, takes drugs. You know, we've heard a lot of negative things. Most of them are true. But I wanted to find out what happens before he gets to that point.

1:05:03 What leads up to the breakdown? We've never gone back to try to find out what happens in the relationship between the black man and a black woman that makes him go off and do all of these bad things. To assume that this is just normal, natural behavior for black men would be to assume that he is naturally bad. And I do not believe that the man that God gave to us as a mate is a naturally bad person. And so I wanted to try to examine what goes on with him. What's his side of the story? Did a black man ask you to write this book? Oh, no. No, no, certainly not. I think they were just as surprised as black women. Many of them approached the title of the book with a little apprehension because they have not had a champion.

1:05:48 We have never had a black woman who actually stood up and said, I'm standing up for the black man's side of the story. We know what our side is, and both sides are true. We have done some very dreadful things to each other. And I don't exonerate black men, which is kind of a misconception that people have. I just say that we know his side. What about our side? And we do have a side. Wow. So that, if you listen to the Geraldo clip, she's attacking black women. I know it was very different. Now, two things I want to say. First thing, some of the things in her book are very inflammatory. I'm not going to poo-poo it and that like she, you know what I'm saying? No.

1:06:33 Some of the things, but I want to bring perspective so people can see, even in the 19, late 1980s, you had people saying, hey, there's this divide that's going on. And it's, you know, saying it's very problematic for the black community. Yeah, what are you doing? And we might want to start looking at both sides, which it's okay. You can say black men leave their kids and they're drunks and they're drug addicts. But it's all a generalization. White men, you know, get drunk and beat their wives and beat their children. I mean, that's also a generalization. This is true, but it's okay to say that

1:07:16 the whole world could say that about black men. They don't take care of their kids. I mean, it's like it's expected. If you tell somebody you got a dad, it's like, oh, really? It's like, okay, but hold on, hold on, hold on. So that's in, that's with black Americans. That's the way, that's the general thinking. Is that what you're telling me? Or you said the whole world is everybody. Yes, the whole world is everybody because that's the narrative. That's all you see. Maury has made a mint off of the paternity test game show. Let's be honest here. Yeah, okay. No, you absolutely.

1:07:59 That was probably the Maury Povett show in particular probably set Black America back by 20 years just by that constant, or let's say, not put it back, but held it at a standstill in the 90s with that bullcrap. Mind you, holy crap, that was entertaining to watch. But you're right. It was pretty much all black women doing it. Yo, you're damn, man. Ricky Lake. Yeah, another financial. He's a sorry man. You know, he won't do anything. So, well, it was the wrong thing. It was the paternity test in particular.

1:08:42 Wow. Yeah, you're right. And that just, that just exacerbated it. Oh, wow. Never even thought about it. And it still goes on. It still goes. I mean, I tell people this all the time about, and this is another great thing. function of this show. If I'm a white person and I only watch broadcast television, only broadcast, just say I don't buy cable. This is what I get: local news: black people did something bad. Then you go to your daytime television, Jerry, Maury, Steve, what it will call Jerry Springer. You know, black people don't take care. Black men don't take care of the kids. Black men, you know, these are the images I'm showing all day.

1:09:27 And then local news comes on again, right? Local news goes off. I might get a family feud with Steve Harvey, how he's one of the good black guys. And then the law order: black man killed somebody. Oh, it sounds like a day jam-packed full of fine entertainment, Mo. It's very, it's very entertaining, but it's also saturating your mental. And if you don't have interactions with real black people, that's the mentality that you have so much so that even black people start to believe this.

1:10:06 It's like, oh, yes. And then it becomes common, like you asked before about television, where these thought processes come from. It enters through the television. We've heard that on the previous shows about no man in the house. What they say, the kids lock in the projects, their only window out was what? The television. Right. Well, I find I am so fortunate that I was able to find one of the few black men who has a stable family and is married and has a mom and a dad and a job. A job. You may be dealing drugs, but I'm not sure. I think you have a real job. I'm such a lucky person. And I take care of my kids. Oh, no. It keeps on going.

1:10:48 How? How is it possible? You know, have you done the 23andMe? Are you sure those kids are yours? I just want to check. Right. Or am I sure I'm black? Well, we had that question the other day. That was fantastic. On Twitter, we had he was just trolling, kind of, but the guy's like, I'd like the show, but I'm not so sure Mo's black and I don't want to have two white guys talking about black issues. And Mo's like, uh, okay. Right. But then the guy finds a video of himself. He's just adorable. It's like, I get you. Great guy. I get you. I get you. But did you unmask yourself? Was that a picture? I don't, I've never seen you.

1:11:30 Was that a picture of you that you posted? No. That's what I thought. Mo's a handsome guy. I said, nah, that can't be possible. It's not possible. And it's not that I'm hiding. It's just that, one, I don't even take selfies. I think that's the most vain thing. Dude, you don't have to qualify yourself to anybody. No, no, no. That's the other thing. I mean, the more you double down on it, the more I'm just bullheaded like that. So it ain't going to work. But the cue, we say hello. We know you're listening. We know you're here. Yes, we know you're here. Thank you for joining us. So, but here's the problem. Go back to the Geraldo clip. What did the lady say? I'll see him on the trains.

1:12:14 The young black men's head are buried in this book. Well, Miss Chariza Ali has had a re-emergence on social media being YouTube. Oh. Black men, black men are going through that same cycle again. It's like, what's going on? This is new. The old is new again. Yeah. And she's getting speaking engagements and propagating her message. But let's get back into exactly what that message is in clip two. And saying all of this and as calling yourself a champion and having, if I may say, the courage to write this book and stand by, you've caused a stir.

1:12:52 This book is very controversial. What are you hearing from public reactions? Well, I don't think that it's an issue among black women about whether or not the book is true or not. The issue is that I was not supposed to tell. These are inside secrets and things that we have never let our men know about. And many times we, what is that? We say, he can't handle me. Well, many times he can't handle us because he doesn't know what it is he's trying to handle. He doesn't understand what motivates us. We have become very adept, many of us, are being able to do something right in front of his eyes and then convince him that that's not what he really saw at all and that it didn't happen. Do you remember that we've kept him kind of confused? Excuse me. Wow.

1:13:33 What is that called? There's a term for it. I call it psychological abuse. No, it's a specific term used by MK Ultra. No. I'm going to give it to you. Yeah, please. And maybe you want to listen to it again. I mean, maybe last 30 seconds in the clip. Okay. Gaslighting. Oh, yeah. I never used that term. Yes, of course. That's God. It's in the technical, the technical term, not the way people use it now. But the technical term of gaslighting is what she explains. It's exactly what she said. Yeah. Well, let me just the last, it's worth listening to the last 30 seconds.

1:14:12 Okay, go ahead. He can't handle me. Well, many times he can't handle us because he doesn't know what it is he's trying to handle. He doesn't understand what motivates us. We have become very adept, many of us, at being able to do something right in front of his eyes and then convince him that that's not what he really saw at all and that it didn't happen. So we've kept him kind of confused. Excuse me. Wow. And who was famous for that tactic? Well, was it supposed to be Donald Trump? No. Yes. He's intelligent agencies. That's what they do. Oops. Yeah.

1:14:59 I'm also seeing, you're right. She is having a resurgence. She's back everywhere. She's only 65. So she's got a lot of spunk left in her. She does. This will be an important clip. This will be an important clip. We'll just call it the gaslighting clip. That'll be an important one. So when somebody tells you, yeah, you did so-and-so, and they're like, I ain't do that. Like, what? I just saw you. I mean, just give for people that don't know what gaslighting is, when you do something, then you act like you didn't do it. And it confuses the person, their senses. And it's like, where was that behavior learned from?

1:15:40 Was that a tactic passed down? Who knows? But it's just she said it. I didn't say it. She said it. I just pointed it out. The term, just because it's nice to know, the term gaslighting originated from a play in 1938 called Gaslight, in which a character tries to make his wife believe, and this is interesting because that's why I probably wouldn't have come up with gaslighting because traditionally it's seen as something men do to women. The character tries to make his wife believe she's gone insane to cover his own criminal activity.

1:16:16 When he turns up the gas-fueled lights in the upstairs apartment in order to search for a murdered woman's jewels, the gaslights in his own apartment grow dimmer, but he convinces his wife she's just imagining the change. That's where the term gaslighting comes from. Thank you for that little tidbit because I didn't know where the source of it came from. I just know it was a popular tactic. That helps to remember when you read these things, I find. Once you've read the etymology, then it helps. Yeah, I won't forget that. I mean, it'll stick with me, but that's what she just described. And now you have a man that's confused. And you said that. Let's not use the word the man, what a man typically does to a woman.

1:17:00 Let's say the dominant party does to the subservient party. Yeah. Yeah, they flip the genders in our race. Hello. Spinning. Yeah. Spinning. Yeah. All right. Clip three. And in your book, you say that we are not bringing up our daughters and our sons in a correct manner to respect their fathers. No, we're not. Unfortunately, as I say, since money has been used as the measure, many times if a black man does not have money to give us, we won't even let him see his children.

1:17:39 We won't let him spend any time with it because he does not give us whatever the child support is. And I'm not saying that we don't need money to raise a child, but I try to explain to black women that raising a child consists of much more than feeding, clothing, and sheltering it. That's maintaining one. To raise one, you need a return of the parental coalition of the father and the mother to put the proper values into the child. Many of our boys, when we raise them alone, they grow up with the female emotional mechanism. They are suspicious. They are doubtful. They are disrespectful of womanhood. They are bitchy. They can't make a decision. And many of our girls who grew up in a home where there's no man present, they go out into the world and try to meet. They don't have any idea how to live with a man day to day, how to prepare a proper meal, how to be a mother, how to just be in love in the home.

1:18:24 Most of what our people and our children, especially, have learned about how you have a relationship, they learned off of television. And television doesn't represent our needs. And so a lot of the confusion has come, you know, from outside agencies that we have not recognized how detrimental it has been to us as a people. Yeah, TV has screwed everybody over. but this is in this topic in particular. And we're not done yet, but for me, the takeaway is really going to be the DNA test on the Jerry Springer show and Maury Povich. How destructive that was. And all we did is sat there and laughed our asses off.

1:19:04 And there's two things that happened in the 19, I want to say 90s that really changed paternity and the drug culture. One, and these were, these were, these were seismic events. One, you just mentioned the DNA test. Because before a father could just get up, I'm going to get a pack of cigarettes, you never see him again. Right. Right? He didn't have to take care of his kids. That was like the running black comedian joke. My dad went and got sick of cigarettes. I ain't seen him since. You know, that was the thing. But when DNA came about, now you, which I think is a great thing.

1:19:47 I have three daughters. And if anybody was the father of children by one of them, I would want them to be held responsible to take care of their responsibilities. But what it did was now it's leverage. It's leveraged. It's like, okay, I can prove you're the father. I go to court. We spoke about this on the other show. And then it made family court a tool. And I never watched that, but there's another one, another piece of the puzzle. Family court. Oh, brother. The family court is now or two. It's a collection agency. And it's like, if you don't have my money, you won't see the kids.

1:20:32 And most of the time, it's not based off the kids. It's based off of one party still wants to be with the other party. And that party doesn't want to be with them. So I'm going to make your life hard. As we heard, it's called weaponizing the children. Right. Now, just Matt, can I go off on a tangent, a little 30-second tangent here? The drug culture. The drug culture used to be violent. It was, okay, if I get caught with whatever drug X, Y, Z, whatever it is, I'll go do my two, three years and I'll come home, right?

1:21:11 But when they started giving mandatory minimals 20 years, that's when it became violent. Yes. The time. Because now you have to die. Yeah. You have to die because you can cost me 20 years in the federal penitentiary. I'm just going to show you how these small changes in legal processes had ripple effects. Yeah. Well, and in general, these types of policies, decisions, like we've talked before with busing to schools, but the same could be said for the Federal Reserve and their monetary policy.

1:21:53 Guess what? These fuckers have no clue. No one knows. We don't know what the unintended consequences are. You just don't know. You can only learn from the mistake. And I think as we're learning here, a lot has been learned from these mistakes. Sadly, it seems like they're going to be re-implemented for the same political power games and gain and maybe even modernized to a degree. Well, luckily, family court has changed significantly because as I said before, when you get a cold, we get the flu.

1:22:34 So now we're seeing other races of men get drugged through family court. It's like, oh, now we need to make a change. Well, hey, we've been dealing with this for, I mean, and mostly it's poor men. Because, I mean, I'll say this last thing and we'll go to the next clip. Donald Trump has, what, five baby mamas? Four baby mamas? Yeah, something like that. None of them have said anything bad about him because he can provide. Yeah. So that goes to show you when you have the money and the means, you can't weaponize paternity against a man. Just to point that out. But just get back on the TV show, daytime TV show

1:23:17 wave. There's one guy that I love. And his name is Mr. Judge Joe Brown. And he did an episode on the unscripted Schoon TV unscripted podcast that I would just love to share with you guys. But let's talk about it. Emasculation. Yeah. Why? Who is behind it? Right now, I would say that the people have been propagandized for a 50-year period, and a lot of people who don't even realize it are behind it. The Nazis studied American movies in the American movie industry, and they said they've got it going on with propaganda.

1:24:00 That propaganda used to be about doing the right thing for the right reasons. What happened if you didn't sometimes when you did the right thing? The nobility of suffering the consequences for doing the right thing, or the ignomy of suffering the consequences for doing the wrong thing they were laid out. So they took the American propaganda engine and they refined it and they developed a precept that is very evident today: tell a lie long enough, loud enough, and you can get anyone to believe it. Who's Joseph Goebbels? That's Joseph Goebbels, Nazi Minister of Propaganda.

1:24:42 Hold on a second. That's not how you pronounce the name. We all know that. Hold on a second. Let me go to the Reverend Al for the correct pronunciation of what I would say is Goebbels, but here's Al Sharpton. Gergle and the third right. Yes, Gurgle. Gargle. But very interesting that I don't know if that's necessarily true that Goebbels saw the U.S. Hollywood machine and said that that's what we're going to do. You guys got it going on? I don't know. Personally, I always thought it was the other way around. With Operation Paperclip, we brought a bunch of those guys over, including Werner von Braun.

1:25:27 And yeah, he went on to create the space program. And I think from there, we got who was, I'm blanking now. Freud's not because we covered him in the last show. I mean, a previous show. It'll come to me. Ed Bernays, Edward Bernays. Edward Bernays, yes, Edward Bernays. Now, I'll ask you this question. Maybe we didn't have the payload, but we had the delivery system. For sure. Yes. You're right. Very good point. Yeah.

1:26:07 So they were like, wow, like we could just put our warhead on that. That delivery system. Yeah, this would be gangbusters. Yeah. Oh, yeah. So, yeah. So, Judge Joe Brown, he's very, very has great insight. And he's another. What we're seeing here: Jason Whitlock, Judge Joe Brown, Sharizah Ali. These pro-patriarch talking heads. I hate to use that word, but I can't think of a better one. Are resurfacing. Yeah. Nobody's heard from Judge Joe Brown in many years. He was on Dick Talk television and

1:26:48 very competitive. Just to give you perspective of how successful he was. He was competitive with Judge Judge Judy in writings. So, I mean, he was a very powerful voice. I think that's why he was ran off TV because he had a very patriarchy, patriarchal-centered viewpoint on things. Yeah, this was not stand. That's not how no, we can't have it. You got to get your all-daytime television, you know, because you're ruining the message. And speaking of the message, let's get into clip three. What happened to the institution of marriage?

1:27:26 That's one of the problems. Back in the 60s, we had women talking about marriage was a form of slavery. So we had some like Nikki Giovanni, the poet, came to UCLA on at least two or three occasions. Gee, Nikki Giovanni Giovanni. One of the young black women look up. Yeah, and she was espousing the idea that marriage was slavery. So if you wanted to have children, get knocked up by somebody who was smart and physically set out and don't even tell the SOB he was the daddy because the worst thing you could do would be to involve a man in the role of a father that would just mess children up.

1:28:09 So do these women hate men? They don't like the fact that they've got XX chromosomes instead of XY and they feel they're deprived. The best I can tell off of what I saw 50 years ago when it was developing. But let me ask you this: if men were so good to women, what caused them to change and turn on men in that manner? They had a bubble of safety. Ooh. I was going to say that's that's a great. a great question. Bubble of safety. Bubble of safety. Yeah. Another name I've never heard of, Nikki Giovanni. Uh-huh. She was in that class with the other women we mentioned as great writers.

1:28:49 Right. I mean, when I say things about people, I don't never want to tear down their skill. Very skilled writer. But it's what you're how you're weaponizing or being used. And I'm going to use this term in its most academic way: useful idiots. Right. Not, you think you're doing the right thing. You think, you know, you think you're making changes or decisions for the greater good, but then you end up duped later on down the line.

1:29:30 She's also one of the one of Oprah Winfrey's 25 living legends. And in the clip, Schoon even said the young women look up. I mean, you say Nikki Giovanni, that name holds weight. It's kind of like with Maya Angelou. You know, when you say these names, I mean, it's kind of like a rites of passage to read these books for certain demographics. By the way, Nikki Giovanni is a great DJ name. Nikki Giovanni with everybody. Oh,

1:30:12 so Judge made a mission of women not needing men. And I just want to bring up this point. In 1993, there was a movie came out with Will Smith, Ted Danson, and Whoopi Goldberg called Made in America. And it was about a black woman. She had artificial insemination. And her daughter set out to find who her father was, who ended up being spoil alert, Ted Danson. If you have seen the movie in all the 30 years, I'm sorry to ruin it for you. But also. But that just goes to show you that it was prevalent in women going out and getting

1:30:54 saying, I don't need a father. Right. And Ted and Whoopi actually were together in real life, right? Yes. And just to say one last thing on this topic, that is an insult that's lobbed at men of being a sperm donor. Right. Nothing, you're only good for that. Yes. Go to your cup. Yep. That's all you are. You're not a father. You're a sperm donor. So, yeah. So it's kind of sad. By the way, when someone calls you baby daddy, to me, I don't like these terms. I like baby mama, baby, baby. I don't either.

1:31:38 When you say that, it's like baby daddy sounds literally like you're a sperm donor. And you send it. That's the equivalent. That's the equivalent. But that cuts both ways because when you say baby mama, that's mean you're not good enough to be wife material. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It totally sounds like that. So when people use these terms, oh, it irks me. Yeah. I've never liked it. And now it's popular culture and it's kind of cool to say it. And I don't like it. Yeah. But it's not a good thing. It's disrespectful. No matter which way you say it to me, it's disrespectful.

1:32:17 I totally agree with you on that one. But let's continue on with Judge Joe Brown 4. Have women shifted from relying on the man for that protection to the state? To the police. And to the state. The state. The police is representative of the state. Yeah. The women now have displaced the man's traditional role with the government. Yes. What happens is the inner city is becoming, has become a matriarchy. And that's one of the problems we have in terms of community police relations:

1:32:53 the order, primary order in any healthy community typically throughout history came from the masculine component. Now the masculine component has not been trained in masculinity, so they don't keep public peace, dignity, and order. And you have the police come in. Yeah. This is let's not go ahead. And let's not forget this is not just boomer talk for the judge because Jay-Z made a similar statement, which we covered on a previous show as well, about the interaction between children that weren't raised with authority figure in the household and their interactions with police.

1:33:37 There is overall a Western culture thing. I noticed it a lot in America, and I've lived in a couple different countries. Is this intermediary? We have an intermediary for everything. It's like you got a problem, like, you know, problem with your neighbor. People don't go over and say, hey, neighbor, let's talk about this. No, police right away. It's all we all want to have someone else who we pay for with our taxes come in and fix the problem. Like, it's like the homeless is the same thing. Well, that should just be fixed by the, you know, but come on. I pay for this. Fix it. Where's my intermediary to go and fix it? It must be some, you know, some kind of nonprofit or someone does something around here.

1:34:22 That's an overall problem, but I totally see what the judge was getting at here in this specific example. And one thing that's lost or either ignored purposely is: okay, say you have two parents of a child, and that father, for whatever reason, has fallen behind on his child support payments, correct? Dead beat. But how does the mother collect? Through the court system and the police. Correct. But at the very exact same time, they're saying the police are shooting our black men dead in the streets.

1:35:03 But when it's time to get collect your money, let's send those racist cops over there. Yes. Jeez. Yeah. And mass incarceration, the same thing, because if you can't pay and eventually can't pay for whatever reason, you hit. I mean, all men hit hard times for once or twice in life. I mean, it's just a fact of life. If that happens to happen to you, then what? What happens? You become part of the prison industrial complex at the hands of not being a sustaining father.

1:35:40 Now, I will say this: men have to be more responsible because this is not a beat up on one side or the other show. This is to, you made a valid, great, great, great point. Keeping that person, that middleman out of the conversation. Work with each other. Yeah, for as long as possible, of course. Right. Men know you, you know, your responsibility, men. I'm talking to men out there, brothers of the patriarchy. You know your responsibility when you create a child. If you want to be part of that patriarchy, then the number one rule is providing. But as I stated before, often we all hit hard times in life and hardships.

1:36:25 If a person's able to work with that person, mothers, work with the father and say, okay, I know you're on a hard time right now, but you can catch me up later. But getting that, denying that child visitation, denying that child, I said that purposely, denying the child the visitation, not the father. But it drives a wedge in the bad mouth, the father. It's just work with each other. Keep the state out of your family and you won't have that war in your household. So while we're talking about it, how does this who's out there trying to change this message or trying to propagate the message that you just gave, basically?

1:37:08 Who's out there? I mean, we know what powers are at work to undermine all of this. Where are the good guys? Here's the solution that's cropping up. I don't trust women. I don't want anything to do with women. That's no good either. That's not a great solution. Yeah, you're playing right into the depopulation game. Right. Which, I mean, which is the long game here. Ultimately. And it's just this continual distrust. But where is it stemming from? I mean, you guys had to like each other at some point. I mean, if you procreate it with, I mean, each other. So where, but it's these expectations. It's the more called the Maury syndrome.

1:37:52 Yeah. It's a game show. It's a game. It's a game show. I'm not the daddy. And they run off the backstage, you know, or you are the daddy. You know, it's like, and they dance. You know, it's like, what in the hell is going on here? You know, there should be, a study should be done, a university, you know, like a proper study of the effect of those particular shows on black America in particular. I bet you're not going to be able to do that. Please, somebody, please somebody does that. Yeah, that would show you some real devastation. man. It really will. And also, just what it's the whole positioning of it.

1:38:30 Just forget about what's happening to actual black families or potential black families because that's what most of those were, potential families. The perception amongst the rest of the world. Jerry Springer wasn't just in America. This was adored by people in Europe. They'd stay up until 3 in the morning to watch this. They couldn't believe what was going on. They thought it was so cool. Look at these crazy nut jobs in America. But subliminally, all along, I would say on those shows, 95% black. Especially on Maury. And here's the other thing: when you get to one name recognition in America, that tells you the influence you have.

1:39:15 And when you say Maury, people know exactly what you think. And it has a certain stigma to it. But yeah, so let's continue on with Joe. Clip 23. So a black woman would in turn play the womanly role to a white man that she wouldn't play to. If she's been subjected to this sort of program. Yeah, but it's deeper than that. It's a cultural thing. Pimps commonly run this game, but it's a feminine game that black women are taught. I got to break him down to size. Yeah, girl. Got to tear him down to manageable pieces.

1:40:01 And see, that's the same way a pimp does. He takes the woman who's susceptible to that and breaks her down into manageable pieces. He tears her down. And that's what you find is a cultural thing going back. Well, that was advocated in this 1710, I think a 1708 pamphlet that I read in the library of Congress, or at least on microfilm, and it was repeated over and over and over again. So, what Judge is referring to is the Willie Lynch papers, which I haven't really pinned it down if it was real or a piece of propaganda that was circulated in the black community, or if it was actually a real paper.

1:40:44 He said he read it in the Library of Congress. I don't know, but what it included was you had to divide old against young, light against dark, male against female, all the things we talked about in the show. So even if it's a piece of propaganda and not really an actual historical document, the content of it is accurate. Now, you cannot assume that I even knew what the hell the Willie Lynch papers were about. Right. And I, and okay, the Willie Lynch paper, I kind of described it, but it was a what was said to be this guy named last name Lynch, and they said that's where lynching comes from.

1:41:32 He had this pamphlet of how to make a slave. And we go around to the slave owners and say, okay, this is how you, because ordinarily the slaves will outnumber the owners of the plantation, the slave masters and overseers and family of those people. So to keep a slave rebellion from happening, you had to keep the slaves divided. It was basically the manual for your group of slaves. Yes. Congratulations. Slave owner. Here's your slaves, and here's the manual on how to manage them.

1:42:10 Yes, yes. Wow. And that's the House Negro versus Field Negro, which was light, dark, old against young. You saw that in Roots with. I got to tell you, Moe, I'd never heard of this. I feel somewhat embarrassed, but I'm glad. No, you shouldn't. No, but that's just how I feel. I'm glad we're bringing it up. And of course, I've gotten in the habit of everything we talk about on the show. I'll get some links and I'll put them into the show notes. So please do check the show notes. Each show note page has a lot of Wikipedia entries, but all these different names you can kind of jumping off point from there.

1:42:51 But this also, just like we learned about gaslighting, well, you learned about gaslighting. I didn't know that lynching comes from this. Yes, that's where it's said to come from. And like I said, there's debate whether the validity of it, but I'm not talking about the actual historical validity. I'm talking about how it was done. How it's done and what's done. And it's clear as day. We've covered every one of those. of those uh divisions on this show and in multiple episodes, yes. And we're back again on the man versus woman. Um, but yeah, I mean, so that's Judge Joe Brown for you.

1:43:33 Um, I mean, he and like I said, great source of historical facts, very, very well read, well-educated. You know, I mean, he's a judge, of course. So, but yeah, so you're just seeing the older generation is starting to speak to the younger generation. Yeah. Um, so not sure if I have a duplicate clip, but let's just listen to 24 and see. Don't get into that and why what it sounds what it sounded like to me, Judge, is that black women are constantly being elevated and promoted, whether it be in politics, as now you see all these women mayors around the country and state

1:44:22 or in activism. Black women started Black Lives Matter. They are the go-to people to be elevated by people outside our community, which diminishes the value of black men. And it also causes black women to look outside of black men for the protection and the providing that they should naturally get from us. Is that what? Is that what's going on? Well, Willie Lynch, William Lynch, uh, West Indies planter, said that one of the secrets to causing the slaves to domesticate themselves is conditioning the black

1:45:05 female to understand that she could not get safety, protection, and provision from her males, and to only look to white males to do it. That goes back the first time I saw that was in the 1710 Pampers. So that creates a natural enmity, or it's a cultural thing that's been imposed on us. So a black woman would in turn play the womanly role to a white man that she wouldn't play to a man. Yes, and then as a black man, if she's been subjected to this sort of profile, yeah, but it's deeper than that, it's a cultural thing. Uh, pimps commonly run this game, but it's a feminine game that black women are taught.

1:45:48 I gotta break him down the side, yeah, okay. I think, yeah, okay, I want to make this point because I don't want to seem like it's piling on. There are a lot of women of all races, especially black women, that are appreciative of the patriarchy because they're made to feel safe and protected and provided for. But where it clashes at is when they deal with their fellow sisters of a different mindset, they're shamed. And one of the things I've noticed in America is we shame stay-at-home moms. It's sickening. It's like, oh, so what do you do? I'm a stay-at-home mom. Oh,

1:46:32 you get that. Oh, what does that mean? Well, this is goes back to the same period. It goes all goes back to Steinem and before. It's part of the same thing. And the reason why I say that is a well-known saying, cliche: the hand that rocks the cradle is the hand that rules the world. So if you really want to, you know, saying, bring about change, it's the mothers that can do it. And it's what they teach their sons at the young age and who they select to have their sons by. That's how you change society. Now, women have a lot of power.

1:47:14 Let's not get this twisted. It's the fact that these sick people know their flaw is their emotional heartstrings and they pluck them to make them feel inferior, to make them feel less than because they stay at home and they want to be taken care of. Not in a sense of provided for, but it's like that's a symbol of love. And just ladies, a little man inside baseball. A way a man shows he loves you is how he provides for you. Is that a fair statement, Adam, or no?

1:48:00 Well, how he provides. I don't know. I'm not talking about monetarily. No, I know. I know. Toilet, changing the tire. I mean, like, I'll fix that. Yeah, baby. You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, look, look, look, look, look at. at what I can do for you. Oh, I think that, yeah, that's that's a very natural masculine trait to want to do. Yeah, of course. I'll take care of that. I'll get the bug. I'll get the spider. Right, exactly. Exactly. I'll get that stink bug. Now, I do want to say in our house, we have an equality, which is based on hygiene. Everybody closes the lid. Oh, yes, please.

1:48:45 It makes it so easy. First of all, I would say it's smarter to flush the toilet with the lid closed once you've seen the studies of what is floating around. That's all poop. Yeah, I'm aware. I'm aware. It really is quite disgusting when you know it, but it ends any debate. It ends any falling into the toilet in the middle of the night, which is not a good thing. You know, all these things, it ends it. If you just, everyone, just you're done. Whatever you did, close the lid, flush, good to go. Saves everybody. But what's the meme of the 1980s, 90s romantic movie?

1:49:25 The guy spends $100 trying to knock down some milk jugs to win the girl oversized teddy bear, right? Yes, of course. It's not about money because he could have easily went and bought one. It's like, I did that, you know, and I want my woman to walk around with a teddy bear at the fair to show. I did this for her. You know, so it's, it's, it, but I think that's uh ancestral. It goes back to you know, the hunter gatherer versus the hunter gatherer in us that, you know, we came back with the with the kill. Well, we've been overrun by you know, the same uh messaging machine, the same delivery mechanism is overrun by people with a clear agenda who you know are using the same mechanism to tell you that you that that's not okay and that's wrong.

1:50:13 And I mean, uh, just look at uh television commercials. The guy is okay, honey, screwed up again. I'm gonna do first. And we're gonna close up here soon. I got a few more clips, but I want to uh piggyback on your point you just made. If you watch children's television, which I do, because I always watch my kids watch when I when they leave the room, I go come in the room and I watch. Yep, it's a hierarchy in these television shows. Both parents are stupid, first of all, but the dad is substantially more dumber than the mom, yeah.

1:50:56 Oh, dad, like one of those, yeah. It's like, I mean, he does. I mean, he's a he's barely functioning. Oh, he's lucky he's breathing, really. Yeah, right. I mean, it's like, you know, it's like, oh, you know, and the jokes are like, it's that, it's like two or three dad jokes in every episode. But now this is in there, they're going down to the lower level. But Judge Joe Brown in the last clip talked about that tearing down to manageable pieces. Yeah. I wanted to bring to the table what that looks like and what that sounds like. So I went to continue with the daytime television show theme: divorce court.

1:51:39 My man's a wimp. You say your man is a wimp. And that's your biggest problem with him. Yes. Could you explain that to me? Well, basically, he's a weenie. He's a punk. I'm tired of it. He's not man enough for me. I'm too strong for him. Now, this was the 90s, this divorce court, or was it later than that? No, this was like last week. No. I mean, like, what? Really? Yeah, this, I mean, okay, at least like six months ago. No, no older than six months ago. This is on the YouTube channel. I'm thinking this is like, you know, this is 30 years ago. Really, last week. Okay. Wow. Nice. But this is the tearing down to manageable pieces. He's a wimp.

1:52:23 And just for some background, this isn't to a couple getting divorced. This was an episode of Should We Get Married. And she's talking to the poor guy like this. Oh, he's a wimp. He's a weenie. I'm like, dude, run. Wow. But wimp, too. Miss Clark, Miss Clark. Let me tell you something. You may think he's a weenie and a punk and a wimp, but I'm most certainly not. And if you keep that up, you go right through that door. And he and I will finish our proceedings alone. And you're losing the rational war right here already, you know?

1:53:08 So when the female judge. checked her, she understood the power structure. So, yeah. So, um, yeah, so this is what it sounds like for a man to be shredded. And for all the people that's wondering why this poor guy puts up with it, Wimp 3. I mean, I'm just me. Right. I could just be me. And if you want something else, then go. They go get something else and quit bothering you. Now, having said that, let me say this. Why do you stay? Hey, friends, it doesn't seem to make any sense to me. I'm going to explain to you. No, it's the other way around. I try to get away. I've tried to get away. Miss Clark, this woman is crazy, Arna. She will find me. I can move out of the country somehow, some way, she will find me.

1:53:53 Literally. Do you chase him about? No, that's a lie. So you don't, when he leaves, you don't go searching for him. Well, you know. Well, we may see a modern, or I guess it's just as modern, you may see an interesting version of this take place, this power dynamic. It may be taking place. It actually doesn't even matter if it's true or not. I think it may be spun that way, which is probably the most important part. And that's Prince Harry and Megan Markle.

1:54:35 We may see a version of this being portrayed in the media. Again, whether it's true or not, already, without a doubt, the messaging is, well, Harry's kind of a little pussywit. Very true. And she's a superwoman. Yes. And he is a minority because, let's face it, Ginger's got it rough. Right. And for the archetype of shoes she's supposed to feel, she's going to play the role. Yeah. And it's, and it, and wow, let's just think about this because

1:55:14 I think the overall theme here has been the influence of media, television in particular, and how this power dynamic has been displayed and its total blackslitation. I'm now coming to realize. Of course, back in the 90s, I was, woo, look at me on Mr. MTV. Yeah, that's funny. Look at Jerry. Look at Maury. You don't really think about it, what the long-standing impact of that is. But now, this story, it is the fairy tale story. She married a prince, but the prince, instead of taking, and again, he may be in charge of everything.

1:55:59 He may be running the show. He'd be like, baby, I'm taking care of you. That's not what's being portrayed on television. And I don't think that's the way it's going to play out the story. And it kind of breaks the whole. That's a real, if it plays out that way, very destructive to the whole the ultimate patriarchy is the handsome prince sweeps you away. They live happily ever after. And this one could turn out differently where I had to tell him what to do. I had to drag his ass back to America or to America. I had to, I'm in, I'm the superwoman. I'm taking care of it all. Wow. This will be very, I have new eyes to watch this with.

1:56:43 And a monarchy is nothing but a patriarchy. Oh, so you can take down the monarchy. It's the death. It's the headshot for the nationalism. It is. It's a headshot for the patriarchy. I mean, it kills a couple of birds with one stone. Wow. It's a tough time to be a man, Mo. Welcome to the game. Welcome to the game, Adam. Mo, thank you so much for putting this one together. A lot to think about and a lot to pay attention to. And as I always say, pay attention to everything and the truth will reveal itself.

1:57:28 And we will reveal ourselves again about a week from now. Please support the show at mofundme.com, M-O-E-FundMe.com. How can I express to you the joy I felt when I realized that I had found the perfect man for me? The man who could make me feel all the things I felt a woman should feel. I said, Darling, I want to be the perfect woman for you. I got myself a three-year subscription to Essence Magazine. Magazine. Read it from cover to cover. You know, I wanted to be perfect for him. I said, Black is beautiful.

1:58:12 Just keep getting up. Together, we can make it. It's gonna be all right. If for some reason you feel that you can no longer be the man that I thought you were at the beginning of our relationship, then I got this one thing to lay on you, my sweet. Oh, we little boy. Why don't you just go wait, little boy? You see, you're getting kind of hard for me to understand. So, my man, just go on away, just go on a wind. Just go on away, little boy

1:58:54 before I do something rash. Oh, run and run and run and run, run, run, run, run. Little boy, find yourself another set of strings, little boy. Cause you're hurting me more every minute that you delay. Oh, when you need me, when you need me, when you need me, when you need me, when you need me, when you need me, when you walk close up tight like this, you're getting just a little bit too hard for me to resist.

1:59:41 So, why don't you go on away, little boy? Why don't you just leave me alone? You know what I mean? Go ahead and take your things with you. Yes, your albums and all in Playboy magazine. Just go on, get out my life. Now, don't stand so close to me when you're trying to get that last goodbye kiss. I know your moves now. Don't close me like this. And don't kiss my eyelids like that. And please don't suck my ear lobes like that.

2:00:27 And don't, don't. Well, look, you think you can get a job by Thursday? You promise. Now you ain't gonna fool me this time. Then you might as well stay. Stay, might as well stay. Don't fool. You can be my man one more time. And this time I'm gonna try harder too, sweet babe. This time I'm gonna be sweeter.