13: Deconstructing Kanye

00:12 MoFax with Adam Curry for October 28th, 2019. This is episode number 13. Oh, yeah. Just had to wait for the drums to drop. Hey, Mo, how you doing? I'm doing good, Adam. How about yourself? Nothing like starting the show off with little Kanye. Little Yeezy for y'all. Oh, yeah, Yeezy. Listen to this, man. Listen to this. That's so loud. I love that. Love that song. Fantastic. Yeah. So I kind of know what we're going to do today, which is nice. Yeah. So by the song, it's a dead giveaway.

00:52 We're going to talk about Kanye West. But we're going to do is give Kanye West his justice by looking at the dynamic personality that he is. I liken him to being the black Donald Trump. Interesting. Okay. Yeah. I mean, the reason why I say that is: one, he's going to be somebody that we talk about decades from now. He's just one of those people. And two, they have this independence about themselves that really rubs the establishment the wrong way.

01:30 Yes. And since you've made the comparison up front, Kanye is like several people who I really, really, really like a lot. And that's the reason I like him is because of what they're saying overall. But as I'm now a little bit older, I understand that not only is nobody perfect, but these great people will say fantastic things and then sometimes the most idiotic, stupid, or perhaps incomprehensible things. But that's exactly what I like about him: it's the imperfections that make it so beautiful.

02:07 And yeah, I would put him, I would put Trump in the same category. Absolutely. There's more people, not as famous, but who are just, they just say it and they speak their heart, their mind. And sometimes it's, you know, like me, I have the two. I say all kinds of stupid shit. Amidst the brilliance, of course. Of course. And I feel like I'm the same way, but I don't have that filter or that filter is very porous. That where the truth comes out, and in the clip-by world that we live in,

02:46 it's refreshing to have these kind of individuals. And then, two, as you said, that the way they say certain things, they could be clipped to sound like idiots. Yes, very easily. So what I want to do with this show is to give some deep diving, a deep diving view, look into Kanye and what he's meant to quote unquote black people and how the media has warped him, what he is into what they want him to be. And a perfect example, well, he just came out with a recent album called Jesus is King.

03:31 Yes. And this is a whole new, it's kind of like he's come back around to where he started. I've always said that Kanye West cannot be canceled because he made Jesus Walks. He is bulletproof. I've said that from day one. He has a certain tie with his fans. He has a certain equity that he can defeat cancel culture. So we're going to get right into these clips. And I have an ISO just to show from I was on social media looking at how people clip things. And I have an ISO showing how if you just take a small sound bite of Kanye West, he can sound like a complete idiot.

04:17 And I'm the one who you eat fish sticks because I have skinny jeans on. Now, fair warning in preparation for the show, I did watch the interview that you're deconstructing here. I also listened to the album. So I come prepared to the show, but yes, this is exactly when I heard him say that, I had the same thought. I'm like, oh, there you go. There's your clip. Put that out there. Nut job. Yeah. Yeah. You eat fish sticks because I wear skinny jeans. Yeah, exactly. So just a warning for people to have young people that listen to. to the show.

05:01 This will have some adult content in it just because of who we're dealing with, but not too much. I try to clip out as much as possible, which would make this show very labor-intensive. Did you use it? Wait a minute, you cut out all the bad words? No, I didn't cut out all the bad words. I tried to keep context to the clip without including the bad words. Ah, okay. So, I didn't edit it anyway to where I edited what he said. I just try to clip either before or after. Okay. Just to keep the, because I wanted to make it a family-friendly show, you know, because it is an edutainment. Yes. Edutainment info statements.

05:43 Here we go. Yes. So, before we dive right in, I have one more ISO. And this is what popular one, the fish stick when I made myself, but this was the one that was floating around on the socials. Rappers be talking about, I got your bitch. Instagram got your bitch. Instagram got your bitch. Like, I'm sorry, I know my Christian scorecard just went down for using a profanity, a profane piece of language. You ain't got your Instagram got all y'all because they're going to do it for the grab before they do it. They're going to send a picture to the grab before they send it to you. Yeah, I actually understood this when he said it.

06:24 Yes. I speak a little Kanye, a little Yeezy. Yeah, so this is the one that made its rounds on the social as a meme. So before we get into where Kanye is right now, as you always know, I like to go backwards to give proper context to where we are. Yes. So for a lot of our listeners, they may have not followed the path of Kanye West. I can say I have been a Kanye West. I don't use the word fan, but follower. If you want to say, at the age I was, I was a fan. And what I mean by that is, I want to say 2001, maybe.

07:08 So just to date myself, that made me about 21 years old. This is when Kanye West was not heard of, and he was only making beats on other people's albums. I took a likening to his music so much so that it influenced me. If people don't know, I make music also. And if you go to MoFax.com, you can hear some of my music. But he had that kind of impact on me. So I've been through this whole journey with him from day one. And what I mean, and I truly mean day one before he even, even before I even knew what he looked like, only knew his music.

07:46 But what made him crack come crashing into maybe mainstream media was his backing, his comment: George Bush doesn't care about black people. George Bush doesn't care about black people. I thought Kanye West was blisteringly brilliant, even as he stumbled toward his self-expression. He was nervous after all. He's going off script. George Bush doesn't care about black people. Kanye West's comment was wonderful. I was just like, you can see, if you really look at it, he's like, I'm going to say something. I'm going to say something.

08:28 And I'm sure he was trying to think of something eloquent and wonderful and politically astute. George Bush doesn't care about black people. When I went up to NBC, I hadn't planned to make a statement. I didn't know what I was going to do. I read what they wanted me to read, and I felt like, you know, at practice, I read Telepromanda, and I felt like it wasn't heartfelt enough. So I knew I was going to speak from my heart. Don't put me in front of the camera if you don't want me to say how I feel. And he said, George Bush doesn't care about black people. Now, the amazing thing was to turn to Mike Myers, who was sitting there like a deer caught in the headlights. Mr. Mike Myers, Dr. Evil, couldn't even utter a word.

09:07 Inarticulate, rendered mum and numb. After I said it, just everyone in the room was polarized. And like, it's kind of like I had to show myself to the elevator. And Mike Myers just looked at me and said, well, it is what it is. And it was a bar right across the street from here where we went to go have drinks right afterwards. Because this is one of those ones, you know, where you do something, you're like, oh, shit, this might be the last drink we ever have. My reaction was: A, he's talking for a lot of us. A lot of us felt that Bush didn't like black people. And I was happy because I've been very critical, a lot of the hip-hop artists who have said nothing relevant, in many ways, have said a lot of destructive things.

09:52 I thought it was a breath of fresh air that at least somebody's. somebody said something constructive and stood up for their people. Well, when I was up there, I wasn't concerned about record sales. I wasn't concerned about sponsorships, about losing any sponsorships, which, I mean, we did. But I was more concerned about, you know, if I was in these people's shoes. Now, I remember this moment very well because this was the moment that Kanye came into my life. I know that sounds pretty weird, but I mean it that way. And I think it was the Hurricane Katrina benefit show. Yeah. And I remember, I remember because Bon Giovy was part of getting it together.

10:35 And I remember thinking, listen, douchebags, why don't you just take all your money and go do something there? And then I remember Kanye said that, and I went, holy shit, this is great. It just blew me away. I loved it. From that, I just, oh, now there's a brave guy. I thought it was fantastic at the time. And this made him come crashing into mainstream celebrity. This is the one that did it. And he ingratiated himself with black people to the point. He had already given us Jesus, Jesus Walks.

11:15 I'm sorry to interrupt. I just want to say that because this is all about our perspectives. From my perspective, of course, I'm not black, so I wasn't like, yay, go black. But I was thinking, screw you elites. That is what it said to me: is screw you with your stupid telethon bull crap. You know, this whole thing is just a farce. That's how it came across to me. And I really like that. And let's put some perspective on this because at this time, George Bush is what Donald Trump is now. Hated. So it was the liberals ate it up. And who would have thought, fast forward, how many every years it is now,

11:59 George Bush would be hanging out with Ellen and hugged by Michelle Obama and Kanye West would be facing cancellation from black people. Who would have ever thought in a parallel universe that could even be a reality? It's one of the in the neighborhood. It's nuts. Yeah, you're so right. You're so right. That just goes to show you how fast things can change and people can fall out of favor with their quote-unquote fans. So as we continue on the historical path of one Mr.

12:36 Kanye West, we have to look at his parallel or his interactions with one other president not being Donald Trump, that being Barack Obama. Hip Bob VX, I'm Justin Hunt. This is the breakdown. This is dope to think about. For the past eight years, hip-hop has been welcome in the White House. President Barack Obama embraced the culture throughout his two terms, fist bumping, dusting his shoulders off on the campaign trail, shaking hands with Kendrick Lamar in the Oval Office. Jay and Beyonce might as well have been a part of his administration. I mean, every week it seems like there's a new turnup at the White House featuring all of our favorite MCs.

13:17 But what's most interesting to me is watching the relationship between President Obama and Kanye West play out publicly. Amen. Fist bump. That's right, man. I remember, hey, the presby fist bumping. That's pretty cool. Yeah, giving dap. And, you know, exactly. Yeah. So they are in a strange way tied together, both from being from Chicago. I mean, we know Obama's not from Chicago, but he was sold to us that way from being from South Shot, Southside Chicago. And they made their rise to popularity on the same timeline.

13:58 So they were tied together in this real way. So let's listen more about their relationship. Kanye and Obama's explosion into the national consciousness happened right around the same time. Obama's first major look was in 2004 during the Democratic National Convention. Kanye's first major solo look was in 2004. He released a college dropout that year. Obama won the White House in 2008. Two weeks later, Kanye West released 808 in Heartbreak. This was funny. Obama described the first time he met Kanye West during an interview with Jimmy Kimmel and whether or not he still calls Kanye's house phone. Believe it or not, this was a topic of conversation in 2016. Rollerclip James.

14:42 I've met Kanye twice. The first time when I was a senator, and he was with his mom, and he had just gotten baked. He's from Chicago, right? So they wanted to meet, and he was very soft-spoken, very, very gracious. That sounds like him. He's a young guy and hadn't quite come into his own. And then about six months ago, he came to an event. And look, I love his music. He's incredibly creative. I don't think I've got his home number. You don't have his own number. Obama's a cool cat man. Swag on $100,000 trillion. Of course, Kanye replied a day later.

15:25 Here's what he told TMZ. I love Obama. He called our house before. He knows that. Don't try to pit us up. Obama does call my house sometimes. This is funny. Like, I don't remember ever seeing this, a president going back and forth with a rapper. I'm so glad you brought this back up, Mo, because to add to your list that you mentioned earlier, how about Kanye being friends with President Obama and friends with President Trump? I mean, that's, it's, it's, I mean, even Elvis didn't have to spawn two presidents, I don't think.

16:02 That's, he's a very unique character. And we had for me to dedicate a whole episode to one person, it wasn't out of fandom, is that we have to really look at this. He's not a rapper. He's not a celebrity. I don't know what box to put him in, but he's a personality. He's an icon. I mean, and I don't mean that, like I said, any kind of fan worship. You have to give a person credit. It's like with Trump, before he became president, you just couldn't say he was a real estate guy or a celebrity. It's like. These guys are national treasures. Yeah. But as you know, friends turn to enemies.

16:47 And for people that didn't follow this, Obama never fully embraced Kanye the way people thought that he would. And that was very strange. And I think that was a calculation from Obama because he knew this guy, he could say anything. He saw that hates white people a bit and he thought, man, maybe we'll be a little cautious. Exactly. Exactly. And he knew he could not, he didn't want to tie himself to Kanye. And I think Kanye was an understanding of that because he didn't want to be a distraction.

17:31 But there was an event that happened that pretty much put a fissure between Obama and Kanye. Kanye also says something interesting there. He said, don't try to pit us against each other. And there are a few incidents where it seemed like the media was doing just that, pitting Obama against Kanye West. The first took place in 2009. And it came from this statement that Obama made off the record. This was a day after Kanye West made Taylor Swift famous during the BMAs. The young lady seems like a perfectly nice person. She's getting her award. What's he doing? Why would he do that? He's a jackass.

18:11 Again, that was 2009. Before that clip leaked, though, ABC Nightline co-anchor Terry Moran tweeted, President Obama just called Kanye West a jackass for his outburst at BMAs when Taylor Swift won. Now, that's presidential. The tweet was later deleted. ABC was forced to release this statement, which said, in the process of reporting on remarks by President Obama that were made during a CNBC interview, ABC News employees prematurely tweeted a portion of those remarks that turned out to be from an off-the-record portion of the interview. This was done before our editorial process had been completed. That was wrong.

18:50 We apologize to the White House and CNBC and are taking steps to ensure that it will not happen again. 2009 was so long ago. Like even ABC didn't have the safeguards in place to make sure their journalists weren't leaking off-the-record information. No one was prepared for the social media takeover. Nevertheless, a few months later, Kanye West responded to Obama. He shared his reaction when he heard that Obama called him a jackass in a conversation with XXL. Here's what he said. Obama has way more important stuff to worry about than my public perception. He was trying to pass the health care bill. And if he said that to relate to the room or lighten the room up and the whole move, then I'd be more than happy to be the butt of all his jokes if it in some way helps his overall mission.

19:32 I'm a soldier of culture. I'm resilient. I'm sure I'll still beat him in basketball. Wow. So a couple things. First of all, ABC, what? a bunch of weenie pussy boys over there. Yeah, we're sorry we leaked. Oh, sorry. Sorry, we didn't mean to do it. It was off the record. We can't report on that. Well, they didn't want to get pulled from the gaggle. Of course. Of course they want. They want to keep their access. You know it. Absolutely. So we see where the divide starts.

20:09 And once again, Kanye was the bigger person to say, you know, I mean, if he was, you know, make me a butt of the joke to stay for the greater good, that's what I'll do. But if you look at the video of it, I would have took offense to it because let's be honest here. We're going to look at things through a certain lens. You got President Obama, the black guy, in a room full of white people calling another black guy a jackass. And they all bust out laughing. Like, ha ha ha. I'm sure. I'm sure. No, Moe, you couldn't have been more white when you did that.

20:50 Congratulations. I mean, that's how the. He sounded just like us. That's how the laughs were. And it was like, good when Obama, you know, it was like, I believe Obama knew. I see it. I remember this. I'd forgotten that the whole room was filled with white people. Yeah, that's pretty lame. Right. So I'm just saying how it appears. I'm not saying that's how it was, but optics matter. So I think this was the beginning of the end of any Kanye and Obama bromance or any possibility of it.

21:31 So then it became out like a for the hip-hop fans out there, it became an all-out subliminal war of disses between Obama and Kanye. Which is culture. Yes. It is exactly in this culture. And so they started trading barbs back and forth through the media as we see in this next clip. Now, that was one of the first times we ever saw those two comment on each other publicly. Here's another. During the 2012 campaign season, during an interview with Atlantic Monthly, Obama was asked whether he prefers Kanye West or Jay-Z. The president said Jay-Z. Although I like Kanye, he's a Chicago guy, smart.

22:14 He's very talented. This is when the reporter David Samuel says, even though you called him a jackass, to which Obama replies, he is a jackass, but he's talented. There's the media throwing the alley. There's Obama bringing it home. This one's a little different. This next one's a little different. In July 2013, during a conversation with Amazon for their Kindle interview series, Obama used Kim Kardashian and Kanye West as an example of the change in culture that's negatively impacted children's views on the American dream. Here's what he said. There was not that window into the lifestyles of the rich and famous. Kids were monitoring every day what Kim Kardashian was wearing or where Kanye West was going on vacation and thinking that somehow that was the mark of success.

22:59 But that's how upset people were when Kanye West compared Michelle Obama to Kim Kardashian. He was asked about it during a conversation with Philly's Hot 107.9. Here's how he explained his reasoning for doing so. Oh, yeah. Well, I think that he shouldn't mention my baby mama name, you know, because we both from Chicago. Don't be mentioning my baby mama's name because we both from Chicago. This is a rapper and a president. He said it jokingly, and I think he meant it. Here's why. Here's what he told Angie Martinez after that. The reason why Obama mentioned our name is because we most relevant. Case in point. So if I say that, that's because it's the case in point. He just say that just trying to be cool.

23:41 Obama was supposed to be coolest person on the planet. Now I got to say our names to be cool. It's like a feature. We featured in his interviews right now. They need a feature from us to get relevance. You haven't gotten that call in the middle of the night yet? What call? You know that call that like, stop talking about the president call? I always think that comes when people talk about the president. You know that? Like, sometimes I think about that at night, but you know, it don't matter because it's still all a distraction. And that's all they need and want. This is all a distraction. Food for thought right there. Wow. Kanye knows what's up. So imagine if you take out Obama and put in Trump going back and forth with a rapper on this labu, what the news would be.

24:28 Oh, it would be on fire. So I'm just saying, like I said, I'm a fair judge. I'm a fair judge. So. this, I believe, was a precursor or more incentive for Kanye to jump on the Trump train. Feelings matter, bro. It's a new world, Hillary Clinton. It's a new world. Everybody in middle America felt away and they showed you how they felt. Feelings matter, bro. It's a new world.

25:15 It's a new world, Barack. It's a new world, JC. These are the vibes, bro. This is the future. This is the way of thinking to make America great again. If I would have voted, I would have voted on Trump. Before I get out of here, I want to talk about race and the idea of racism in America and the world. This idea that one or other candidate was going to be less or more racist than the other, or that America would be less or more racist because of one of the other

26:02 candidates. Specifically, to black people, stop focusing on racism. Yeah. So this was Kanye at a Sacramento, California concert. And this is when he let the whole world know that he was a Trump supporter. And it set the world on fire. And of course. Well, stop. How did you feel when you heard that?

26:42 Okay, I kind of had an inkling because there was rumors of him wearing a Make America Great Again hat on planes. But this was like undeniable. And this was after Hillary had lost. So I want to say that. So this was post-election. He didn't come out during the election. Got it. Because he didn't, I don't think he was ready for that kind of to be blamed because he would have been blamed if he would have came out and the same thing and Trump would have won. He would have been blamed for that. What we say it went from 66 to 57% turnout.

27:26 That would have been pinned on him. So he had enough awareness not to say anything publicly until after the race was over. With that said, in the same concert rant, he said, Google lied to you. Facebook lied to you. And he was on. It was like a 17, I think a 17-minute rant. He showed up to the concert an hour and a half late. The three songs, a 17-minute rant, and then Mike drops and rolls out.

28:05 So, yeah. So the reaction to that was Kanye West has to be crazy. He's not. The guy is off his rocker. He has to be crazy. And so much so, he was hospitalized the very day after. So after that, he went into hiding for a very long time. They were saying that he had mental issues. And to me personally, I think that was damage control by the record labels, by the shoe companies, and by all his other advertisers that they probably thought he was going to be canceled and his career was over.

28:44 Right. Oh, so fast forward. He pops up again, but this time at the White House. Kanye West came to the White House to discuss prison reform and ways to combat violent crime, but things quickly went off script. And what happened next in the Oval Office does have everyone talking overnight? Rap star Kanye West extending his DC tour, taking his show on the road to a local Apple store. He is open to adjusting. Just hours earlier, a stunning scene in the Oval Office capped by that remarkable embrace with the commander-in-chief.

29:23 I love this guy right here. But it's West's 10-minute freewheeling profanity-laced monologue that's Mickey Waves. While sitting next to football Hall of Famer Jim Brown, West praised President Trump. Trump. Trump is on his hero's journey right now. And he might not have expected to have a crazy mother like Kanye West. And that red Make America Great Again hat. There was something about when I put this hat on, it made me feel like Superman. At times, pounding the historic resolute desk to make his point. Manufacturing. Freestyling on more than 40 topics. It's a hydrogen-powered airplane.

30:02 If he don't look good, we don't look good. So when I said I like Trump to like someone that's liberal, they'll say, oh, but he's racist. You think racism can control me? The entire spectacle seeming to even leave the president speechless. That was quite something. At one point, West revealed he was diagnosed with bipolar disorder, but said he got a second opinion. He said that I actually wasn't bipolar. I had sleep deprivation, which could cause dementia. West raising eyebrows for some of his comments about race. You know, people expect that if you're black, you have to be Democrat. I have a, I've had conversations that basically said that welfare is the reason why a lot of black people end up being Democrats.

30:47 Overnight, reaction pouring in. This is white supremacy by ventriloquism. A black mouth is moving, but white racist ideals are flowing from Kanye West's mouth. Still, for President Trump, who has his eye on the midterms and who struggled to win over African-American supporters, the visit by such a high-profile person of color could prove to be powerful optics. In these photos obtained by TMZ, West even convincing the president, Ivanka Trump, and Jared Kushner to wear Make America great hats, saying the word again is offensive to some blacks. A surreal scene and an oval office first. He's been a great guy.

31:28 He's a smart cookie. Yes, I remember this. It wasn't too long ago, and I deconstructed it on the No Agenda show. Then I, because this is exactly what I was saying. You know, you hear the brilliance in between the nut job stuff. I guess I have some kind of filter. I'm like, oh, okay. And even some of the stuff that sounds really nutty, if you listen and you focus, then it makes sense. The problem is, and I noticed it from that episode, a lot of people give up. They don't even, they have a problem listening to the words. And it's, I think it's because of how he speaks and his presentation that people are taken aback and they can't process what he's saying because he had some really smart things to say about the 13th Amendment, which is not foreign for Kanye West.

32:19 But even as I tried to explain what he was saying, people just, their eyes glossed over. It's very odd. And who else does that sound like? Trump. No, I understand when I saw that. And by the way, I love Jim Brown sitting there. He's just like, mm-hmm. Oh, yeah. And Jim Brown loved all Jim Brown. Wasn't sitting there. I mean, Jim Brown isn't that animated anymore. But, you know, he was sitting there like, oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And I got these like, yeah, this guy thinks it's all good. And I did too. It's like, this is a great moment. Who would have, this is crazy what's going on. This is the White House.

32:57 Look at who's talking. Look what the issues they're talking about. Slavery, modern day slavery through the 13th Amendment. I loved it, but I tell you, Mo, I didn't get a lot of traction with it. It's because you said the key word. You had to listen. Oh, yes. A lot of people want to be fed in 30-second sound bites or two-minute news stories. And if it goes past that, they odd gloss over it and you lose them. Not only you know what? But if you hear how that piece was put together, that news piece, I mean, they literally, in between some snippets, were saying he's crazy. He's off the wall. What the hell? So you're conditioned, whatever it is.

33:42 And in particular, black people don't listen to this shit. Don't listen to him. He's crazy. They said he raised racial made racial comments by saying that all black people vote Democrat. That's a fact. A majority. I mean, how's that like a controversial? Don't let anyone know. We can't let the cat out of the bag. And that's exactly what it was. And they even had one of our show favorites, Michael Eric Dyson, in there saying that he was a white supremacist ventriloquist, I think he said.

34:23 The black mouth is moving, but it's the white man's hand up his butt making the sounds. Oh, yeah. Beautiful. And I. I hate to do this, but I would want to go back to clip two in the very beginning because that was Michael Eric Dyson. Just listen to the difference in what he said there compared to what he said in the previous clip. George Bush doesn't care about black people. I thought Kanye West was blisteringly brilliant, even as he stumbled toward his self-expression. He was nervous after all. He's going off script. George Bush. Michael Eric Dyson, loser. He's a two-faced man. Right.

35:05 You appreciate his honesty when it benefits what you were trying to push, but you can't be on. And now we're getting to the root of this whole conversation we're having. As long as you're saying what people want to hear, you're brilliant. You're this, you're that. But as soon as you get, you have an honest moment and you want to say what you want to say, the name calling comes out. So what happened after he went to the White House? Oh, can I stop him? Can I stop you? I'm sorry. Yes. When you saw that, and I don't know if you saw a news report first or if you saw, I mean, I saw a news report similar to what we played, and I immediately went to find the full length.

35:50 Like, I got to see the whole thing in context. I mean, I'm just trained because that's what I do. What was your reaction when you first heard of this? Not before you dove into it, because I know you did. What was your first reaction? Okay, so I know how Kanye West is and how he can be painted, but I was like, wow, that's a little, that's even, that's a fish sticks. Well, it's a fish sticks moment, right? Right. You wear skinny pants because I eat, you eat fish sticks because I wear skinny pants kind of thing. I was like, they are going to clip this and paint him to be, as they say in the clip. But did you pound it the desk? Did you hear anything that you thought was a good message, or was that not even presented the first time you heard it?

36:33 There was nothing in that because I mean, when I hear news, because I don't watch news, it's in the morning time when you're getting dressed and my wife has Good Morning America or something like that on. That's where I kind of hear the news for the day. And whatever comes, you know, whatever pops up, like something like this, I would go get the full clip to hear the context. But what I heard that morning, I was like, what, what, what just happened? I was surprised, but he said, he said, he said a lot of good things in there. He said a lot of things that I agreed with before he even said it. I was saying these things during the whole 2016 election. I mean, I was one of those people that were like, and let me be clear here.

37:17 If someone doesn't give you the option not to vote, then you don't have an option. Because either somebody's going to try to pull you to one side or the other. You know, you should have a third option. I think every American should have that option if they don't feel like the person meets what they want to be up, what they're up to. But I dislike Hillary Clinton so much, I was actually campaigning against her. Yeah, gotcha. Actively, because I understand who she is. I understand what role she played in a lot of the problems that plague the black community, our community.

37:59 Momo, you know, she knows who you are. You're one of those super predators. Yeah, I mean, I like, I'm one of those people that hold her to task because she says her addressing black problems is having hot sauce in her pocketbook. I mean, so fixed. Just that. Even then, it's like you're still doing it. You're still doing it. But as always, they had to send out the bullet to clean up, to clean up what kind of mess Kanye West had made in the Oval Office. And they had to send their top gun, Charlemagne. Joining me now, Charlemagne McGuire, co-host of the syndicated radio show, The Breakfast Club, New York Times, best-selling writer, author of the upcoming book, Shook One.

38:45 Anxiety is playing tricks on me, which hits bookshelves on October 23rd. Always enjoy having you, my friend. Yes, what's happening, Craig? Let's start with what the president just said there. Has Ye helped the president with black people? No, the black people are not a monolith, okay? And Kanye West does not represent all black people. And because I'm black and I don't support Donald Trump in any way, shape, or form. Is he being used by the president? I think that if you can't be used, you're useless. So I think that they're both using each other in a way. I just hope that I think he's being misused just a little bit because when you use him as a prop and you say that because of him, you have all of this support from the African-American community. That's not necessarily true. Kanye West represents. represents Kanye West. He doesn't represent the whole African-American community.

39:28 You've interviewed him a number of times. You interviewed him back in May. This is part of what he said about why he supports Trump. When he was running, it's like I felt something. It's like the fact that he won, it's like it proves something. It proved that anything is possible in America. That Donald Trump could be president of America. I'm not talking about, you know, what he's done since he's been in office. But the fact that he was able to do it, like, remember I said I was going to run for president? I had people that was close to me, friends of mine, like making jokes, making memes, talking. Now it's like, oh, that was proven that that could have happened. You buy that explanation?

40:08 Yeah, because that has nothing to do with policy. That has to do with ego. If I'm Kanye West and I'm a celebrity and I announced that I wanted to run for president and everybody laughs at me, but then the executive producer of Celebrity Apprentice, who is actually a celebrity, comes and runs, somebody who has zero qualifications, has never held any political office and actually wins. I feel like, damn, I might have missed my moment. I didn't know America was ready to just throw the presidency in the toilet. All right. Charlamagne's nickname now is BJ. And that stands for Brulee's Janitor. He comes in with the broom and he does a fine cleanup job. And what it does is it's get back in the box.

40:54 Don't think. Just vote. Only be activated when it's time to be activated. And as you, if you heard, I rang the bell there because he says, um, you're only used if you're useful, I believe how he put it. Something like that. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, the truth always wants to come out. I mean, you're being right there. He said it right there. He said it on his own. I mean, he does this all the time. I mean, if you go back to the first show, we brought him up about the Illuminati. He was like, yeah, I want to join the Illuminati if that's what it is. And then he goes on the list exactly what it was. It's like, so the truth always wants to come out.

41:37 Yeah, he also made another statement that black people are not a monolith, except when it comes to voting. Yeah. I mean, but also, also, I mean, for him to paint Kanye and Trump that way, whereas Obama had no experience. He was a one-term senator and he kind of slid into the seat because the guy got rousted out. Obama didn't really have huge political expertise. Yeah, I mean, they act like that Pat Sajak had got elected president or something.

42:15 Well, in a way, like the way he's kind of saying, I mean, like, the dude did run a billion-dollar, you know, saying, I mean, he did something. Enterprise. Yeah. I mean, you got to give him his credit where credit is due, but I mean, that's what they do. Oh, he's just a TV host, you know, a TV reality show. So out of all of this, there's something I didn't cover in the clips is when Kanye went to TMZ and, you know, had a semi-meltdown. Yeah, the slavery is a choice thing. And it's one of those things where you clip it and you don't take the time to listen to what he's saying. Yes. It's very, it's like very useful if you want to,

42:59 if you want to tear him down. I mean, he gives you that kind of those kind of sound bites. So, but out of this, out of all this that happens, Kanye was labeled the C-word. Today's video is appropriately titled Koon. That's right. C-O-O-N exclamation point. My good friend Willie D of the Ghetto Boys recently put out a single called Koon, where he called out various black folk who habitually sell their people out.

43:35 And the way he defined the coon is this. Willie D said that if your criticism of the black community outweighs your contribution of the black community, then you are a coon. Yeah, and as we've learned on the show, I've certainly learned, calling a black person calling another black person, Koon is really the lowest of all low. Yes, and Kuhn is a racial, racist term. So much so it was used in Forrest Gump as one. If people remember the line, he was like, he said, the coons are trying to get into school. The one guy says to Forrest Gump. And he's like, yeah, my mama just takes a broom and runs the coons off the back porch.

44:19 I mean, so. this is a known racist term, but it's in this modern day society. Uh, black people use it among themselves. And I've noticed this weird phenomenon. I think I've addressed this on the show once, but I'll address it again: how black people that disagree with you will allow other white people to use that term to tear the person down that they don't like. Yeah, this is crazy. That's crazy. Yeah, so much so that when you went down the Twitter timeline as this was going on real time, you saw a term used Kunye West.

45:01 Yeah, that's K-O-O-N-Y-E West. Yep, I remember. And it was used by non-black people and non-black people would like it. And I'm like, what? Where are we at as a group of people, as a society, as a whole, where we let people off the hook to use terms that we assume that we find offensive and that we would find offensive because they're an alliance with us on political matters. Yeah. We're in a bizarre world. But I have a pushback to the usage of Kuhn.

45:43 And this comes from a popular YouTube, a YouTuber named Chronicles of Judah. And he pushes back against the term using the term coon. Who are the real coons? And the reason why I've been compelled to create a series by that name is because of the amount of misdirection, misinformation, disinformation that's constantly being propagated across the internet and social media by the wokeety wokes, the pro-blackity blacks, the internet revolutionaries, as I call them, who love to create as much confusion and chaos as possible by deciding that they're going to try to guilt trip certain demographics or sub-demographics within the so-called black community by making them conform to liberal ideologies through name-calling and an attempt to racially shame them for not being quote-unquote super liberal.

46:33 What does that mean? What you'll find is that most super liberal Negroes are heavily into politics and activism. Two modes of expression that really have not reaped many benefits for so-called black people over the course of the past 50 or 60 years or so. That's one of the first ways that they will try to create a dynamic in which they can call you a quote-unquote coon. If you're not someone who does not vote Democrat, or if you're not someone who's in favor of socialist/slash Marxist movements like Black Lives Matter, so is this the replacement for the Uncle Tom or the House Negro? Yes, yes, this is the replacement and it cuts deeper. It really cuts. I mean, because Uncle Tom had became

47:18 benign. It didn't really have an effect on people because they overused the term. So they had to come up with this new term, the coon. I love words, and I'm very intrigued. What exactly is it about the term coon that is so offensive? I mean, obviously, I'm not an idiot, but I'm curious because, you know, it's just a word, right? At the end of the day, yeah, it's just a word, but it was new in a sense. Because, I mean, it's like someone they dug up out of the, they dug it up, repurposed it, right? Out of the archives and repurposed it.

47:59 And it took on a whole nother, it's like a super Uncle Tom. Let me show you an example. Yeah. People like Clarence Thomas will be called an Uncle Tom. Because it's like people expect him to be that. I don't think he is. I mean, I don't think he isn't. I don't use these terms towards my own people. What I'm saying is it's not surprising that he takes the political stances that he takes. Okay, so he's like already sold out because he's in the system and therefore

48:37 it's what he is. Yes. True or not. And Kanye is like, it's like, in this case, really a traitor, I guess, the way it would feel. A traitor to your people. Does that make sense? I think that's the difference between the two terms: that it coon leans towards more of you traded, you turn, you somehow misled people to what you believe. Oh, I can tell you the quote, it's you've turned your back on the culture. On the culture. That's like a cold word for. if they don't want to use the derogatory term, they'll use that

49:21 language. You've turned your back on the culture, and you're going to hear this. I know this is. I'm glad you made that. I'm glad you made that point. Well, when I saw the interview that we'll get to, well, there's two things, two things I noticed that I was going to ask you about. So the first one is this code of the culture. So I don't hear the interviewer say black people, anything. I hear them called the culture, or it doesn't even say black culture. It's just the culture or race or whatever you'd like to call it. And the other one, which you don't have to get into, is whenever a tough question comes up,

50:04 whenever the interview is asking something, it's always, and this is overall an observation. You do it sometimes as well. Apologize. Hey, I don't want to diss anybody. I don't want to, you know, I'm not, no, no disrespect to anybody with what I'm saying here, but here's what I want to say. It's very obvious in this dialogue Kanye has with the interviewer. And the interviewer is basically asking him a tough question, but always softens it by saying, hey, man, you know, you're great and you're fantastic, successful. And, you know, and I don't want to disrespect you about your thoughts about Jesus or anything. And then the question comes. Does that make any sense? It makes all the sense in the world.

50:47 And it's a term I was questioning to use in this show, but it has to be used. Just like the last show, we talked about white guilt. For having freedom of thought, you can be made to have black guilt. Thank you for being so open and honest about that because that was my hunch. But I didn't want to push you. So great. That's what I got it. I have to be clear and I have to be honest. Whenever you break from, and the reason why I say this is our real power as a people comes from being a monolith, comes from being

51:31 not the monolith and having the same kind of thought, but having a certain amount of code that we stick to. It's a basis. I mean, it's similar to being American. I mean, we saw it with the China thing. We may disagree with each other, but freedom of speech is baked into being American. And if you don't agree with the freedom of speech, it's kind of like un-American. There's kind of those things inside the black community themselves that they're hard-coded. So it's like you wouldn't do anything to harm each other or you would think that way, but our behavior show totally not that.

52:06 But I mean, that's a whole nother show for another thing, another day. But when you're talking to someone, the mind control is so strong when you become free, you can't jar somebody else with your freedom. Right. And we heard it in the last show on the last clips from the gentleman that was giving a speech that you have to be somewhat apologetic because you're a free thinker and other people are not. Just not because you're afraid, but it's like for their sake, not your own.

52:47 Yeah, no, I understand. I understand. It's kind of like, you know, it's kind of like when I'll give you an example, and I don't know if it's true or not. But you know, you nailed it by saying black guilt. I understand white guilt. You understand white guilt. I totally get it. It makes so much sense, except you're the first person I've ever spoken to in the universe who said it. That's that's what we were talking about before. It's no feel, it's no feel because it had to be said because what are we doing here if we can't be honest? Right. If we're going to give, if we're going to sit here and blow smoke up each other's, but you know what I'm saying? Like, what are we really doing here?

53:24 So, yeah, we need to have this honest conversation. And I'm sure when you have certain thoughts, when you're in a liberal environment, I'm not saying you do, but I'll make assumed that you have to couch it a certain way. Of course, of course, of course. And it's all the same exact thing. Yes. And that's what I love about it. That's why that's fantastic. Yes. Well, of course. Well, now compound that with the fact that you could be ostracized from your group as a whole. Yeah. Now, that's the difference. And in other societies, you have a variety of thought, thought groups, think groups, where if you're conservative or liberal, you're saying there's a group to fall in.

54:09 Here, the fact that we vote majority one way and we have a liberal ideology as the previous clip laid out, it becomes a lonely existence if you say certain things. Now, you could feel them, but you can't say them. That's where we're at with Kanye. And let's get into clip number 13. He speaks on this. Mental health, you know, having a nervous breakdown, going to the hospital, and having the stigma of being called crazy, actually, it didn't make my, it made me more relatable. It made it a wider idea.

54:53 Everyone is dealing with health in some way. Like, me being taken to my lowest, you know what I'm saying? Being called a coon by my own people. The guy that said George Bush don't care about black people is a coon because I didn't say I'm going to vote on Hillary Clinton. Right. Right. And that actually made me more relatable. You can't imagine when I go through Middle America. Like, let me tell you, it's like I was driving fast. I was looking at a property. This like 4,000 acres we were going to buy out here. And I'm trying to drive fast to the freeway.

55:35 And I hit a red light and the guy said, Now, how are you going? Where you got to go so fast that you got to drive this and cut me up? What, Kanye? Oh, thank you for what you're doing for our country. Thank you so much. Like, you have no idea. You be out here in LA and New York, and they have you all jacked up on Mountain Dew. They'll be have you thinking that, like, this reality is not, is, is, it's not real. People speaking my language there, of course. Yeah, and that's that's what I'm talking about. He felt isolated because he made a conscious decision based in facts.

56:20 Everything I've laid out in all these episodes have I've supported with facts of how the people that feel like we owe them our, and that's a weird phenomenon except that someone feels like you owe them your political support or vote have been detrimental to those same exact people. And when you say that, it's like it's, it is my, I, I, I use this term almost too much, but it is mind control. And when you break free from it, you feel guilty, one, because you can't get other people to wake up.

57:02 And I'm not, like I said, I don't try to get convince anybody to vote anyway. I just want them to realize you have three options, maybe four, because you can be the person that runs. If you feel like, you know, if the two choices that you have is not for you, then you could choose a third option of not participating, or fourth, be the person that you're saying, get yourself in the race. But when you say that, it's like, but the boogeyman, he's going to get us. And that's why I was saying it's a weird place now because you see a Michelle Obama hugging the boogeyman.

57:39 Right. And it's, and it's cool now. You see an Ellen sitting beside the boogeyman at a Cowboys racist and quote unquote, well, I'm going to say, I'm being facetious when I say this. You see Ellen sitting beside the boogeyman at a racist NFL game. Not just that. He's a war criminal. War criminal. But I'm just saying, if you let him tell it, the NFL and all its owners were racist. Right. Right. And you have an Ellen sitting beside a war criminal, the precursor to Trump, the antichrist, he was even called. But these people throw these things out here and then they act like they forgot they said them.

58:22 These things have real life impacts and implications as we've seen with that poor lady ordering the black guilt, the white guilt box. Right. With all the kit. Yeah, right. The kid from the last show. Because she was mind control. Yeah. And she didn't even interact with black people. So, I mean, that's why I'm having this show because it's not more about celebrity or whatever. We got to see in real time a black person have a paradigm shift in their political views and in their own empowerment.

59:01 And we've seen the reaction of. the mainstream media and people that so-called love them before turn on them. And it's just weird. But let's get into Kanye Kuhn 2.1. I told him, I said, Look, my father's a Black Panther. My mother got arrested for the sit-ins at age six. They were fighting for us to have the right to our opinion, not the right to vote for whoever the white liberals said black people are supposed to vote for.

59:39 You get what I'm saying? Then James Corden went in and said, Well, this president, you're Christian and this president, I don't see anything Christian about him. I said, Okay, so last year y'all tried to tell me who I was supposed to vote for because I'm black. Now, this year, white liberals trying to tell me who I'm supposed to vote for because I'm Christian. That would be like I live in Calabasa, so everyone in my car has got to be a convertible, huh? This is all based on y'all vision of what I'm supposed to do. And I understand, like, a lot of people, it's not a matter of whether you like it or who like it. We are in a country where we are allowed to like whatever we like. Core message of America, right there, except for us.

1:00:22 Well, yeah, we do, but it comes at a price. It really comes at a price. But you know what? I'll say this: with that number falling, the voter turnout number falling, with when you go on places like YouTube and certain pockets of social media, or when you talk to people in one-on-one situations, it's falling apart. It seems well, you know, with no agenda show when Trump first announced the mere fact that I said, Oh, he can do it.

1:01:01 He can go all the way. This guy could win. My co-host disagreed, but that very fact got me on lists. You know, so the minute you, and you just have to keep it in the current context, the minute you say, Oh, I'm thinking a little different, and you go against the grain, which is what I typically do, this time it was pretty severe. I mean, we lost a double-digit percentage of our audience because we just wouldn't, that's not what we do, wouldn't blatantly come out and say, Oh, Trump's crazy, racist, nut job. No, we deconstruct him just like Kanye. It's like, okay, you know, here's what I think he's saying, here's what he's doing. But it was severe, and it, but it was your fault, of course.

1:01:44 I'm an idiot. It was your fault. And now you see why Kanye didn't come out until after the election. Yeah. Because he came out before. Oh, my God. I mean, he had no control over the outcome of the election because he never really said anything. And he got killed or attempted to be canceled this way. So just imagine if he'd have came out pre-the election. That's so interesting. That is your name. Thank you for that. Because if I had not done that, because once I predicted Trump would win a year out, you know, the more the more popular he got, the more I was like, see, see? You know, and so it just, I guess it sounded like a cheerleader, even though I was just happy about a stupid prediction.

1:02:26 It came, became your fault. Yeah. It became your fault. And you know what? And people can believe this or not. I told people Donald Trump will win before I even knew he was running because I told my, me and my dad was talking. And we talked, we used to talk politics, but we can't anymore for a whole lot of reasons. Because we used to end up in an argument every time we would get off the phone. But I told him, I said, Dad, I said, one thing is going to have to happen. I said, it's going to have to be a celebrity that wins after Obama. Right on. I told him this, and I was like, the only person that looks like, you know what I'm saying, it has a big enough celebrity is this guy, Trump.

1:03:07 And he laughed so hard. I mean, like, and I was like, no, seriously, dad, I was like, and then when it happened, oh, it became my fault. You put that shit out there. You put that in the universe. Nice. It's kind of like, it's kind of like when your team is winning and you like, call somebody like, yeah, we're winning. And then they lose. It's your fault because you have no effect on the game. You got no effect on the game, but it's your fault, you know. But yeah, I mean, this is the world we live in. And I wanted to do the show for this exact reason.

1:03:46 It's very hard to be honest in this country because it goes back to it's a bastard form of what we talked about on the last show. Remember. Remember, I said in the car, it says, Don't ask for anything. Because you remember what you were saying when you were talking about, oh, yeah, don't, don't, um, don't embarrass us, don't ask anything, right? Yeah, some bad things I had in that conversation, too. It's like we had to, you know, saying, uh, you had to vote Democrat, you know, uh, the Republicans are bad, right? Uh, this are some of the other things that come along with um, it's kind of like the talk.

1:04:28 We need to call it the talk. The talk is not only about police, it's a whole uh, the talk about what the culture expects from you. So I just wanted to say that, but we can get to 3.3 now. Another thing is like this idea of like apologizing. We'll apologize for saying George Bush don't care, apologize for running on stage with Ted Switch, apologize for wearing the wrong color. I ain't apologize. Nothing, y'all dealing with grandpa. Now, I done been through too much. I don't know. I'm the founder of $3 billion company. You think I'm finna listen to somebody online? Tell me who I'm supposed to apologize for.

1:05:07 Do you feel like, and since you did get there, do you feel any of the pressures when people say Kanye did let him down? When we think about George Bush, don't care about black people. That's when everybody was like, oh, Kanye. And then when we look at Kanye now, I mean, if we agree or not agree with you, just when you say the wrong color hat. Yeah, think about this for a hat. This is one of my main things. It's like, what is the culture? It's like, man, this ain't for the culture. We're doing something for the culture. We are orphans, bro. We are cultureless. We don't have our own culture. We sign two culture vultures. We sign our life away. Our contracts are culture vultures. Think about everything that's cultural.

1:05:51 Taking the knee is cultural. Being on social media is cultural. Wearing high fashion is cultural. Pushing a foreign is cultural. All these things are not owned by our culture. So who designed the culture? What does it mean to do it for the culture? That's why I do it for Christ. Yeah, that is probably one of my favorite bits from the interview. Yeah, you do it, do it for the culture. He's saying we don't have a culture. We drive foreign cars. We didn't create the culture. And I do disagree with Kanye at a point.

1:06:33 We did have a culture up until the no man in the house. Right. We were, I say we're like this. We're a budding culture because, you know, you have slavery in the slavery. And from that point up until late, maybe 1940s, 1950s, we were finding our way. You know, there were still outside influences as we illustrated in this show at our higher levels of education. The talented 10 groups like the Boule coming in and trying to manipulate us to what to think, how to think. But we were finding our way because culture, I believe, is birthed out of family.

1:07:17 And in those families, you have the leadership of the man for most part. And then those men agree on what their common goals will be. I think this is how culture and nations are formed. Because it's like, you know, this is what I think, you know, we were sitting at you sent around and you have a. And when I say men, I mean, I'm just saying it. I'm not going to, you know, I almost did it again. Stop apologizing, Moe. Yeah. Because I know how, and we're going to get to why that happens. We're going to, I have it in this show why this happens.

1:07:58 But yeah, you have a culture because the men agree upon this is what we want for our children. And in that agreeance, the man and the woman had to have some agreement. So the man is only the representation of the agreement between the man and the woman. Right. It's not a male-dominated thing. I just want to say that. But yeah, and then that's how the culture, but then the culture was totally ruined. Because when you have, you look at no man in the house, you go from there, you go to the first opioid epidemic in America and the Vietnam War, helped destroy it, you know what I'm saying? Black people, the communities. Then you have the crap epidemic. Then you have mass incarceration, these things.

1:08:38 Now and the proliferation of single-parent households, the culture is totally destroyed to the point where it appears it doesn't exist. And now, as we've heard, now we've seen now that they've. are even trying to eradicate us through certain measures. Very depressing when you think about it without verbalizing. He completely, yeah, you shut me up for a second. And I'm just going to say plan B, Planned Parenthood, all that stuff, I think, was a direct target as well. Yes. So I think we stopped at three, was it 3.1? Yeah, we're ready for four.

1:09:21 Let's go to 4.1. Kobe Bryant won five championships. He sprained all kinds of muscles all through his body, tore ligaments. And for people to go to Kanye West, where I'm playing in the highest level of mental sport, I had Mark Zuckerberg wanting to meet with me. You know what I'm saying? I had people come to want to meet with me that are makers of the world at this point. So I'm playing at this mental sport as a black man post-Pac, post-Biggie, Puff Daddy, Jay-Z, in debt, completely control. The management knows how much exactly you're making on your tour, and it's just $2 less than what your house costs.

1:10:04 And I'm ending up in debt every year. And then I have a breakdown. I should have a hospital in the back of our room for what I'm dealing with. Don't NBA players got like knees iced every time? I need to just leave every day, just go right to UCLA for the level of game and sport that I'm working at. But we don't make Kobe's legacy be about one torn ligament, and my legacy ain't about, oh, he got mental health. That just comes with the level of sport I'm playing at. What are you talking about? People trying to sum me left and right. You know, for the level of protectionist talk that mental illness gets in our country, Kanye should be lifted up

1:10:45 on a throne for what he said here. This was a great analogy. A great analogy. It's like, hey, man, I use my brain all day, and sometimes it gets twisted. And, you know, I get an injury. And, all right, I got to go take care of that. I love that. When you step out of line, there is no protection. That's the sad thing about it. I mean, he should be protected because I think in my heart of hearts, I think he wants the best for black people. I think I would say this: he wants the best for Kanye West first, but I mean, I mean, hey, that's him. I think he's an ego-driven person, but at that level, you have to be ego-driven to be that successful.

1:11:29 But I don't think he means harm to our people, but he gets no protection. He brings up mental health, which mental health, like you said, is a buzzword. Protect his class, my friend. Protective class. Yeah, protect his class. But the messenger, I mean, how many times do we call Trump crazy? Right. How many times they say he has Alzheimer's as a joke? Well, there's entire psychologists who have written papers and they've analyzed him from afar, going against the so-called Goldwater rule. You know, all of this stuff. No, no, he's nuts. But they say as a joke, it's like as a slight.

1:12:07 And they do the same thing with Kanye. We're going back to this parallel again. It's that if we don't like you, then the rules or the parameters that we have set aside don't benefit you. And if, and look, and if that comes down on high from the elite, what is that? You see what I'm saying? Now we're starting to see. Now we're starting to see where the rubber meets the road at. That's right. Who's really the ventriloquist for white supremacy? Thanks. Let me just be honest here. They accuse him of that, but when you can berate a person because, like I said, of their mental health or their political views and ostracize them, what are we doing here as the mass media?

1:12:55 But let's get into 4.2. I've been canceled. I've been canceled before they had cancel culture. I was canceled before they had the term. Do you care about any of that? I do. I care about everything. Does it not rub you the wrong way, but does it get to your core when people do rub me the right way? This definitely ain't going to Johnny Gill. What do you say to people that say you turned your back on the culture or exactly? 100%. I have turned my back on the idea of victimization mentality. We are locked up. We went from one and four. We went from one and four to one and three.

1:13:36 But we always pointing at the white people. But yet we want to spend all of our money on foreigns. We want to spend all our money on luxury as opposed to going and buying some land. America is for sale, and there's a lot of barren land. Disney bought a lot of it in Florida, but the culture has you focus so much on fucking somebody, bitch, and pulling up in a foreign and rapping about things that could get you locked up and then saying you about prison reform. Like, it's bro. We brainwashed out here, bro. Come on, man. This is a free man talking.

1:14:20 Democrats had us voting Democrats for food staffs for years, bro. What is you talking about? Guns in the 80s? Taking the fathers out the home? Plan B, lowering our votes, making us abort our children. God should not kill. I can't tell y'all how to feel, but what I can tell you honestly is how I feel. Yeah, there you go. Unpack it. That's a black, that's a free man talking. That's exactly what it was. And I like what he says. We're brainwashed up here. It's like, yes. And we are. And let me make this clear.

1:15:00 Let me be clear for people that don't know who's interviewing him. This is Big Boy interviewing him. And he is a popular DJ in California. He is currently at 92.3, which is a huge radio station, urban radio station, urban, or quote unquote means black, for those who don't know. That's the white radio guy's term, yes. Right, right. For owned by our heart media.

1:15:36 Yes. So these radio stations pump poison, poison into our communities from the earliest hours of the morning. And the reason why I make this distinction is I grew up on hip-hop, but when I was 13, 14 years old, that's when hip-hop really blew up. You know what I'm saying? Like to the point it made it on the radio. You couldn't hear hip-hop until the afternoon. There were certain times that they played hip-hop. And then even then, they only had certain radio-friendly songs.

1:16:17 And even more so, those were edited out. Any language that was considered to be offensive was edited out. Now, when I drive to work, I can see it. Small children in their car seats, parents knocking loud, you know what I'm saying, deleterious music early in the morning. And you wonder where the mind control comes from. You know, I saw and was an active participant in ushering in hip-hop at MTV, which started with Yo MTV raps, which was really innocuous because, you know, I mean, I grew up with, you know, hip-hop, the hip-hop to the hip hip hobby.

1:17:00 You don't stop, a rock until you bang bang boogie, up jump the boogie. And that's, that was hip-hop in my day. Then we got Dre and Ed Lover, and they came in, and it was still pretty tame. And we're like, like, cool mode. You know, can I step? It wasn't pretty tame. It was actually positive. Yes. I mean, actually, and this was the hook with hip-hop because when hip-hop first came in, you had groups like Public Enemy and Keras One, and they actually was teaching something that you could take away from it and actually benefit your life.

1:17:39 You had to fight the power and think. And it was fueling a whole reinsurgent of the culture, of the cult. And this is where culture comes in, of the culture. And it was co-opted. Now, you could continue, but I just wanted to highlight that point. Well, yes. And the co-I mean, there's, I think MTV had a lot to do with it. And I think, you know, there's always, there's a, there's even a story out on the internet somewhere. I've saved it. I can't remember where, of course. And it, you know, talked about, I was a part of, you know, the music executives. They all got together one shady night and they all decided we got to put some, I'm sure you've heard the story.

1:18:20 I've heard the story. And we got to, you know, start mind controlling the black youth or screw it, all youth with these rap lyrics. And here's what we're going to do. And, you know, and subsequently, things. I don't know if I can pinpoint where it changed from. I'll tell you exactly what I can. I can. I'll tell you exactly. All right. Hold on. I'll finish my sentence. So as you said, it went from. very positive, which could be angry. You know, fuck the police. It could be angry, but it had a different message than as Kanye's saying, what's hip-hop here today? And also, around that time, I left MTV and went on my merry way and tuned out.

1:19:01 I went to classical music. I couldn't listen to the hits anymore. So, I kind of missed that transition. So, I'd love to hear what that turning point was that you heard. Okay, so the role of a hip-hop artist early on was a journalist. You're recording what happens by your community. Black CNN is what I called it. Right. It was, it was positive, it was negative. It was just, I'm reporting what the news is. But then you have what they call quote-unquote conscious artists, like I said, like public enemy, and those groups that were talking about how we was going on and how we could change things. Where it changed it, and nobody

1:19:44 notices this, was NWA. So, that was it. Yeah, that was it. And you know what? And the weird thing is, and that people can call people could call me a conspiracy theorist on this. No need for the theorem yet, but we're going to get there. But George Bush Sr. used to live in Compton. Compton now is a hotbed and always has been a hotbed for little old Compton, California for as a hip-hop epicenter. How does that happen? Freeway Ricky Ross comes out of that area. Right. The Compton was where they, the supposed,

1:20:25 I want to say George Webb, but it might not be right. I know his last name is Webb, documented it. Oh, the guy, the guy who committed suicide, two shots of the head, gun in the left hand. Yes. Yeah. He documented that CIA members came in and taught them how to cook up crack and little old Compton. Gary Webb. Yeah, Gary Webb, excuse me. So I find this weird that the first billionaire and this most celebrated hip-hop group in hip-hop history comes out of Little Old Compton. One being Dr. Dre. Another Hollywood big time mogul, Ice Cube, NWA.

1:21:09 How does that happen? Right. So you're looking at quid pro quo. Yeah, I'm looking. That's exactly what I'm looking at. And then the other thing is, if you can go Google it yourself or anybody who wants to play at home, play along at home. Why was at the same time NWA was supposed to be investigated by the FBI? Easy E Eric Wright was being invited to the White House. Yeah. By President Reagan. Or George Bush is one of the two. But yeah. Well, I mean, it makes nothing but sense, man. If you look at it that cynically, which I can do easily, starting with the crack cocaine epidemic, which was truly, truly one of the worst things our government has done

1:21:59 in order to keep a gambit going on with Iran-Contra and to keep funding Sandinistas. Like, well, we got all this cocaine. What do we do with it, boss? I know. Let's turn it into rock and sell it to those black people. I mean, that's how shitty it was. They had to get it. They had to unload it because they couldn't sell it fast enough because they needed the money for their covert operations. And that's how they decided to turn it into rock. I mean, it's disgusting. And I don't want to go too far off the path, but so much so. And I know I said a lot, but I'm going to stop saying it.

1:22:36 But to the point where hip-hop videos actually were instructional and hip-hop movies were instructionals on how to start a crack enterprise from the point of cooking it up. No, this is real. This is real stuff here. There's a sequence in the movie Minutes to Society that shows you how to cook up crack cocaine. There's a sequence in this movie, hip-hop movie Belly that shows you how to set up a crack crack enterprise in an out-of-town location.

1:23:17 Right. So if you want to be a crack dealer and the number one hip-hop artist of all time, supposedly by the mainstream media and gets invited to the White House, Mr. Jay-Z, was what? One of the most well-known, by his words, well-known and well-uh, high-rated crack dealers there is. But then when Hillary Clinton invites him, and I'm about to get on the tangent here, I'm trying not, I'm trying to suppress it. You go with it, go ahead. Don't suicide. No, because I'm about to get agitated here. The very person that she was calling a super predator, Jay-Z, at the time she says that, she brings him on stage to campaign for her in 2016.

1:24:02 How nasty is that? Yeah, from both Hillary and Jay-Z. Both. Yeah. And then Kanye's the bad guy because he's saying, think for yourself. Well, you know what? I think we need to call Jay-Z out as a coon, my friend. This is not good what he's been doing. Well, if you go by the definition of it, if you've what they say, if you've caused more criticism of your people than you have been saying, that's right. That's the definition. Yeah, yeah. I didn't make the definition. And what I'm saying, we need to have that standard towards a lot of people. And we'll start, you know, saying, getting rid of it. I say this all the time. A lot of them got to go.

1:24:47 For a future show, Moe, we definitely have to do the deconstruction of hip-hop. I mean, I'd love to do that with you because you just, like, there's like a million things going through my head. We've got to move forward with Kanye. Oh, yeah, I'm sorry, but I lived this. I mean, people can't PS me because I lived. I'm sorry. We've seen how Kanye comes under attack for being a free thinker and being a free man, but not only from the black community, other communities as well. And when I sat there, seven years in, six years in to the Obama administration, when I was sitting at the Met Balls, when I was sitting in front of white people and they thought, I wouldn't have thought you would like Trump because of the racism.

1:25:29 So you mean to tell me I make every decision based off my color. The most racist thing a person could tell me is that I'm supposed to choose something based on my race. If that was the case, I wouldn't have never worn pink polo. I wouldn't have never wear skinny jeans. Everywhere I go, people's pants smaller than mine. And I'm the one who you eat fish sticks because I have skinny jeans on. I'm the guy who said, stop gay bashing, right? I took that L. Consequence took that L. He had to go to Queens the next day. He took, you know, I'm saying, like, hip-hop was dropping F-bombs. And I said, stop.

1:26:09 You could play the footage. I said, stop it. As soon as I said, close on Sunday, just like Chick-fil-A, there was LGBTQ articles saying they need to boycott my company. I said, George Bush don't care about black people. As soon as I wore a red hat, I'm a coon. You can't do enough for nobody out here. So how about I stop? Nice. Nice. Yeah. So even the LGBT community came after him. Just because he said in one of his lyrics in the new album, he said close on Sunday like Chick-fil-A. Even mentioning the words Chick-fil-A makes you transphobic or something.

1:26:51 Right. Makes him, yeah, makes him homophobic, which they didn't play the footage, but we will. Kanye takes on homophobia. Everybody in high school be like, yo, you acting like a fag. You acting like, oh, you gay? And I used to deal with that when I was in high school. And what happened is it made me kind of like homophobic because it's like I would like go back and like question myself, like, damn, why is everybody else walk like this? And I walk like this. So why is it you start just looking? Because you don't realize until you're in high school. People like, yo, fam, look at you.

1:27:34 Look at how you act. If you see something and you don't want to be that because it's such a negative connotation towards it, you try to separate yourself from it so much that it made me homophobic. By the time I was through at high school, like anybody that was gay, I was like, yo, get away from me. And really, like Tupac said, started hanging with thugs. And you look up and all my friends were like really thugged out. And it's kind of like I was racing to try to try to find that constant masculine role model right there to the point where

1:28:13 it's like I would really discriminate. Like I use the word fags, fag, fags, fag, like always condescending towards gays and look and look down upon gays. And I mean, my cousin told me that another one of my cousins was gay. And at that point, it's kind of when the turning point where I was like, like, Yo, yo, this is my cousin. I love him. Like, I've been discriminating against gays. It's like, Do I discriminate against my cousin? And then everything starts to click. You know, he brings his partner with him to like Thanksgiving and all that.

1:28:51 Um, and you just had to sit back and think, like, damn, you know, hip-hop really is about it seemed like it's about like fighting for your rights in the beginning, about speaking your mind and about breaking down barriers or whatever. But everybody in hip-hop discriminates against gay people. I haven't listened to enough to corroborate that, but I'm sure it's true. It was a sense of, I could, I could, I can, yeah. Uh, just the word, I mean, even if they didn't mean it in the technical word of the word gay, it was a slur.

1:29:35 Uh, like, man, you acted gay. Or, you know, I mean, like, it wasn't. I mean, I will, I will validate that claim. And you know what? Hip-hop tried to counsel Kanye for saying this back in 2005. So, I mean, wow. The guy can't, I mean, he can't win. And, like I said, I'm not being apologetic because I have some criticism for him as well. But, yeah. So, you brought up the point of me and other people couching statements or filtering, self-filtering. Yes. There is a reason for that. And Mr. W.E.B.

1:30:14 Du Bois, we brought him up in the show. And I have been critical of him on this show, but he had, he also did some great writing before I believe that he was co-opted by the NAACP. Maybe unknowingly, maybe knowingly, who knows? But he made some great points in his book, The Souls of Black Folks, of the thing called the double consciousness. And we can cover that in 19. Welcome to the McCat Multimedia Series, a Macau analysis of W.E.B. Du Bois's The Souls of Black Folk.

1:30:56 How does racism affect identity? W.E.B. Du Bois wrote The Souls of Black Folk in 1903. The book exposed the material causes of racism at the time and explained the effects that racism has on black identity. Du Bois wanted to show his readers the strange meaning of being black. He believed at the dawn of the 20th century that the laws and the society that had prevented blacks from achieving equality in a post-slavery era would continue to pose a problem for black identity. He argued that as a result of this, blacks and whites in the United States were separated by a color line.

1:31:38 Du Bois's book pioneered a related concept. He believed that the color line did more than deny blacks fair access to jobs, education, and opportunity. It actually weighed so heavily on their souls that it prevented them from achieving their potential as human beings. He used the term the veil to describe the way in which racism made it hard for whites to see blacks as true Americans and for blacks to see themselves in anything other than the way they were portrayed by whites. Finally, Du Bois wrote of the double consciousness produced by wearing a veil, the split identity that blacks feel as they attempt to be both American and African in a white society where one identity is less equal than the other.

1:32:24 The veil, okay. Yeah, so that's internally baked into us. And to it's a process of breaking free from that. We've seen Kanye successfully do that in certain ways, but still, even he does it. It's a weird phenomenon. Because I will say this: I don't think black existed before America. And while I say before people get their panties that much, what I mean by that is back in Africa, you were known by your tribe. Right. That's just like back in Europe, you were known by your country.

1:33:08 Or, you know, when you got here, then we get the binary thing of black and white. So what is black? Is it how I feel or is it how society sees me? I mean, it's this constant calculation going on in the brain. of balancing the two. And you only get free when you stop thinking in the terms of both. And that's when Kanye said, This is a free man talking. I understood exactly what he was saying. Huh. Which had a different meaning for me, but I completely understand it because free men talking, obviously, free man is a throwback to slavery.

1:33:54 Yeah. But also, I'm free in my, I feel like that, free in my mind, free to say what I want, free to feel how I want. But there's very few of us are free. Very few of us are free. It's incomprehensible for me to understand, to feel what it feels like to have that veil. Well, you're starting to feel it. And like I said, I'm not capering for you. You're starting to feel it. Yeah. Because now you have to think of: am I a white male? Or, you know, how is this going to land?

1:34:34 Is that a fair assessment because of how that term is being stigma? Um, is being stigmatized and stereotyped now? Oh, yeah, white male being the evil of all things in the universe in the patriarchy. Right. So now you're starting to see, I can't say that because I'll be perceived as a white male. I would, I'm that's a hypothesis or calculation I made, but I would assume so. I'll tell you, I'll tell you, that's not, no, that's not it. Shall I tell you something? With this show, uh-huh. In the beginning, when we first started and I got comments on it, I was worried is not the right word. I was anticipating a lot of criticism.

1:35:21 You know, very similar to what we're talking about here with Kanye: oh, okay, now you're sucking up, now you're sucking up to the black guy. Someone tweeted something early on. I forgot what it was, but it was like, oh, now you get to eat grits with him. You know, some shit like that. Right, now you woke. Well, yeah, but it was, you know, it was that. I'm like, well, or here's something else. When you and I are talking, I certainly have a filter in place. Don't talk black, Adam. Because it's easy. You know, it's easy to get into, yo, bro. What's happening? You know, and I don't talk like that normally, but that's just normal conversation.

1:36:02 You know, you flow. You and I. Well, is that a normal phenomenon? Because when Tina Turner went to England, she came back with an English accent. So I mean, like, I am Tina Turner. Anime Bullock. I mean, Tina Turner. Let's be honest here. So I don't know if that's. Yeah, that has, of course. Madonna had the same thing. She lived in England. Oh, Sunday Madonna. Yeah, she had the same thing. So that's assimilation. And I'm very chameleon-esque like that. I assimilate in very quickly. But in my mind, when you and I are talking, I do make a subconscious effort to just be me and not get sucked in because I know I will be criticized for that.

1:36:44 Now, imagining being like that 24/7. Fuck that noise. WEB Du Bois parts in them. We can understand double consciousness better if we compare it to a work-life balance scenario. Meet Sasha. She has two identities. She is both a full-time single mother and a full-time company executive. Both roles are part of Sasha's reality, but they often overlap and create anguish in her daily life. When her son is sick from school, she leaves work to take care of him. When work is busy, she misses events like her son's school concert.

1:37:24 The contradiction of double aims leaves her feeling unfulfilled and her potential unrealized. Realizing this, her boss offers her flexible working hours so she is able to fulfill her role in the company and her role as a mother without the two conflicting. This solution, a merging of a conflicted double self into a better and truer self that is free of contradiction, was something that Du Bois hoped for. He talked of lifting the veil, a metaphor for white society recognizing the equality of African American people. Du Bois became a central figure in shaping the movements that ended American segregation and colonialism in Africa and Asia.

1:38:07 He is regarded as a great figure of history. A more detailed analysis of his ideas can be found in the McCat analysis. So there you have it. But when you lift the the veil, it comes at a price. Always. When you become free, it comes at a price. But people like myself and others are willing to pay that price now. Just like there is no boogeyman, there's no boogeyman, there's no canceling either.

1:38:44 We're slowly starting to realize that you can't cancel me. And I think Kanye has pioneered that to the point of you can't be canceled and you can't be silenced. And we see that in the next clip. Y'all got to think, man. Black people are like the housekeepers of America. Think about how your housekeeper, you know what I'm saying? They got a certain volume. They're supposed to talk in the house. We got a certain volume. We're supposed to talk in America. So what do you think if a housekeeper is screaming in my house? What do you think the other housekeeper is going to tell them? Be quiet. Be quiet, yay. Be quiet, yay. Don't disrupt the house. Don't disrupt America, yay. We orphans out here, but don't disrupt. There is.

1:39:30 What if some people feel like you sided with the slave master, too? If we're in the house and it's the Trump household, it's like, just like, shit, you siding with the slave master. If we're both in the house and I see you rolling through wearing the red hat, I'm like, man, he just like this dude over here. And am I speaking it? Maybe. Are others speaking it? Maybe. But I'm saying, how do we separate that? If we're both in the house, we're like, man, I'd rather deal with somebody who call me an N-word to my face than a person that signed me for a lifetime deal on a 255 page of my contract. I got you. I got you. I'd rather know what I'm dealing with. That's why when I walk in with any, I don't keep nothing on my chest.

1:40:12 I'd be like, this is what I'm dealing with, but I'm here. This is what I'm dealing with. It has been institutionalized slave mastery and slavery. Our mentality is only one of the two. Now we need to find freedom. Yeah, that was good. It's two sides of the coin. So he gave you two options. And a lot of black people have to realize this. We only have two options. Are you going to be a slave? Are you going to be free? That's the only two options you have. But a lot of times, liberal ideology wants us to be coddled. It's like, you can't say that to them.

1:40:57 You know, like, go back to the kid. Give that black lady a higher tip. And wear this safety pin. Right. And it's not, like I said, it's not even for the benefit of us. It's for the benefit of whatever they're dealing with. Right. But they use us as the excuse for wanting to feel that way. But also. I'm sorry. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. Well, also, Big Boy there, he basically rewound all progress and everything back to me in 1969 with my parents and the kids who showed up.

1:41:39 So like, don't disrupt. Don't do anything. Be quiet. I mean, that's basically what he's saying. It's like, nothing has changed. Yeah. Yeah. Like I said, be quiet, yay. I mean, so, but I think that the fractures are so deep now that people are starting to wake up. And you'll see, you'll hear more about this in the next clip. If you talk about politics, then you are not in service to Christ. But to mute an African American's voice at this level is a form of slavery.

1:42:20 And being a slave to the system and to people's perceptions and the reality of what people have chosen for our culture, since we are orphans, is not in service to God. And in the Bible, there's many topics of slavery. And we are African Americans and we are still dealing with modern-day slavery. We still have record contracts, publishing deals, touring deals, management deals, radio deals that we not the owners.

1:43:00 Until we really own our own community, really make Wakanda for real, this is going to take more than the Jesus chain. We got to make Wakanda probably with us too, though. You know what I'm saying? Man, I've been waiting. Yeah. So he's saying we have. you have to build your own to be in control of it. And until we have that, at the end of the day, and I already heard that term. That's all right. Who signs off on all this negativity that comes through hip-hop? Oh, the record label. Publishers, they're the ones that sign off on it, put it out, distribute it, make money.

1:43:46 So either we have to start, there's two things you could do. Stop supplying them with that or become the owners of the record labels where you can say, no, I won't condone this. I won't condone this. The thing is, it's kind of like you heard of a food desert, right? Yep. There's an entertainment desert to where if you only want to see, if you want to see something that reflects you, there's only one brand. There's only mental junk food. So that's the only option you leave me with is like either I can watch shows of people that don't look like me, that have great stories, that have great

1:44:32 writing, or I can watch bullcrap. Right now, one of the I think someone who has been doing this all his professional career is having a tough time. There's a big lawsuit is Byron Allen. Byron Allen is an owner and he is a television mogul. Now, granted, it's smaller channels that he's got, but they're all black-oriented. And he's having a hard time. I think there's a lawsuit between him and Comcast. Yes, it is. Because Comcast won't carry his programming.

1:45:09 That to me is, I mean, that just shows you this guy. Byron Allen's been, he's been trying to, or has been building his empire for decades, and he's still coming up against these, you know, these roadblocks and getting, I find getting very little support. I mean, obviously, you're not going to hear much about it in the mainstream for obvious reasons, a guy's competition. But I hear very little support. Yeah, because he's not seen by the quote-unquote culture as included. Let's just be honest. Let's just be honest here. He's not. So you don't

1:45:50 any other case. And a lot of, like I said, there's pockets of people that's showing support for him, but overall, you're not getting that push that you think you would get for this kind of case. Exactly. Even from the what, and I asked the question, where is the well, that's a bad question because they're fighting against their own competition. So I was going to say, where's the media? But no, they're going to suppress that. That's exactly it. They're going to suppress it because he's competition. I bet he's good competition. I don't have it here on my cable. I can't watch it. Yep. But the negativity, you get it non-stop 24-7. Yeah, yeah. And you get questioned if you don't want to make it or if you don't want to support it.

1:46:35 But let's get into the final clip about Kanye Can't Be Silenced. Are you afraid of losing your audience? Yay. I told you I'm only afraid of God. I'm only afraid of my daddy. God. I done been 15 years. I'm telling you, God is showing that you can have your own thoughts, bro. I've been canceled before. There was canceled culture. Who told you that my career would be over? The same people that are telling you that you can't have a right to say who you will vote for, those people will be soon to take Jesus out to school. Those people will be soon to remove Jesus, period, from America, which is the Bible Belt.

1:47:16 Those people will be soon, man. Come on, man. I ain't finna go Alex Jones level on y'all, man. Come on, man. What y'all like? Wake up. Wake up, Mr. West. Wake up, culture. Wake up. Everybody think they so woke, but they following the rules of what woke's supposed to be. Hip-hop ain't never been about following rules. It's been about doing what you feel. I'm going to take the Louie. I'm going to throw it like that. I'm going to do it with the polo. I'm going to do it like this. Even like the way I talk. Hold on. Let me use my African-American voice. Let me use my Disney approved voice. Let me, you know what I'm saying? We're not even speaking in our own language, bro. Like, we talk louder than this. Africans talk loud. Italian moms talk loud. We talk louder, but we speak in our corporate voice. Or we don't want to ruin the deal voice.

1:48:01 Or this is why, bro, I love y'all, man. And I love me. And I love Christ. And y'all should love to see this. I'm not mad. I ain't going to tell y'all what y'all should do. I'm just doing what I do. If you love it, then cool. If y'all want to rap me, it ain't going to make a difference. Honestly, I done been killed so many times on social media, and I'm still here. I'm still talking. Look at me. I actually rewound that on the interview where he goes, What did he say? Rap me? I didn't get it. It's just the like you basically want to kill me. Like, y'all on the and what's the term?

1:48:45 It was non-verbal. It's like a okay. It's like an automatopoeia kind of thing. I got it. I got it. Okay. So he brings. I got the gist. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing a word. Yeah. He read Lawson Translate. It was more of a, yeah, it was, yeah. So he brings up a great thing, a great topic that's near and dear to your heart: social media. And I think that's a lot of where I brought up in the last show how they used the television during the civil rights movement that this new movement, this new movement, awokeism,

1:49:28 was the battleground is social media. Yes. And that's why he's been the number one victim. I'm not going to say victim, the number one, because he haven't taken him down yet. He's the number one target. And he's aware of that. But let's listen to Kanye talk about social media. With social media, people are brainwashed by it. People are addicted to it. It is the modern-day cigarettes. When cigarettes first came out, and Edward Bernays created the Torches of Freedom March to get women to feel empowered by smoking cigarettes.

1:50:07 This is from Century of Self. And it shows that Edward Bernays was Freud's cousin. So, you know, I don't know if I should even talk anymore. It's like, I have so much more to ask you. I just fled to Miami. I had so much more to ask you. It might be five more years before I get to speak to you. You might be president by the time I speak to you, Nick. You know how I'm going to be on the picking order when you're president? Oh, you're right down. No, we'll do an interview. We'll do an interview. I don't do a lot of interviews anymore. How are you doing? It's good to see you again. I'll probably do more interviews when I'm president. 2024 is still a thing. That's the timeframe. We're working on some things right now. So, yeah.

1:50:52 What I'm saying is people are addicted to social media. Well, that's no disagreement for me on that, obviously. I set that up bad because that is from another interview doing this press run for this release. And what it was was he was allowed to give context in this interview. I noticed, I just want to say this right quick. I noticed the 22 interviews, he was more relaxed in this interview because it was a white interviewer. And I don't think he had to feel like he was being pressed by the culture as he was in the say the big boy video.

1:51:33 Right. It wasn't an adversarial interview. Yes. And he wasn't on guard. So the next couple of clips is going to come from that interview because he was actually allowed to lay out what he thought the problems was with social media. So that was the only way I could get the proper context for the Instagram got your B. You know what I'm saying? Well, he allowed himself to speak freely. Well, I'll say this. Big Boy was pressing him. True. It was more of a cross-examine. Yeah.

1:52:17 And it was asked you a question, let you elaborate on what you think. Right. You know what I'm saying? It was more. Yeah, it was more like the perfect word would be cross-examine. And I think he really got on the defensive because, and that veil kicked in. Right. The veil fell back down because it's like, now I got to be careful how I say stuff because I don't want to be further. I mean, I think he does. He even said itself. He does care how he's seen, but he doesn't care enough to change who he is. And I just think that's part of Kanye's ego. And I think all of us should be like that in a way that, you know what? I care about your feelings, but I care about my mental health more. And I rub a lot of people wrong that way because,

1:53:01 well, I do give people a disclaimer. I say, do you really want to know how I feel before I answer? Because. I'd be like, no, never mind. Because I'm going to give you the honest truth because I'm not going to live in. I think this is, I know we got to wrap soon, but I think people's mental health is really affected because we had to live in an alternate reality and a lot of people. Oh, without a doubt. Oh, no. Social media has been incredibly destructive, in particular, because there are alternative realities that are formed and you're bullied into being one part of it.

1:53:44 And you're rewarded, by the way, when you virtue signal or do whatever you need to do, then you get your likes and your retweets and your attaboys and all that stuff. The comparison with cigarettes is a very good one. Yeah, and I'm glad he used the Edward Bernays because we brought him up on the show before. Edward Bernays is a staple of what I've been doing on podcasts for 12 years. You know, the whole idea of propaganda, PR, and, you know, news is, if it's not pissing somebody off, it's propaganda. You know, it's so it's it's it's our life. Our life is built around. I mean, half the news stories you read are meant to tee your mind up or read, what am I saying?

1:54:26 Half the news stories you're presented with are teeing your mind up for some damn movie that's coming out in two weeks. This happens all the time. So yeah, and I and I love that Kanye, you know, he knows Bernays, he knows the connection to Sigmund Freud. He knows the torches of freedom, which is women smoking cigarettes walking down, I think, Fifth Avenue or Park Avenue. It was the Macy Parade. Macy's parade. Yep. It might have been West Side. So yeah, I mean, he's right in tune. He's very, he knows his history. But he's crazy. Total nuts. So Kanye on social too.

1:55:07 Social media prompts women in particular to put out content that they wouldn't have put out. Right. So you're referring to your sex addiction. Yeah, it would not. Yeah, it definitely could deal with my addiction. But when I was younger and I wanted to see something like that, I had to, you know, pay someone that was older to go to 7-Eleven and buy it. Now, I got friends that have kids that are just out of grammar school and high school that it's completely available. There is no NSFW. I'll load up right now on this computer and I'll load up some things and you'll be like, should that be NSFW or not?

1:55:50 Is it just covering just a bit of it? And, you know, there's people as a God-fearing married Christian innovator, billionaire, founder. No one's going to take my opinion away from me. There's a free man talking. Yeah, and I like it. I like, I mean, because it gives other people, we've seen Kanye impact the view on so many different things that I hope it inspires people to want to become mentally free.

1:56:33 That way we can get honesty. Now, I might not agree with your freedom, but I'll rather deal with that than deal with this, I don't, this superficial, artificial state of society that we're at now. So go ahead. Well, I was going to say that what I liked about the interview much earlier when Conway's talk, Conway, when Kanye's talking about the Graham Got Your Bitch, it's so, I had to think about it. What I believe he's saying is, and I think he even said it to some degree, it's so crazy that the woman you love, the person you are in a relationship with,

1:57:17 thinks of sending something great to Instagram before she sends it to you. Kanye on social three. Yo, boo, can you not be on social media literally as we speak? See how hot it is? But just something else, like just either like focus the energy here or like be able to do it and go somewhere else or something like that or just do it in another room or something. But I'm not trying to put your bloods or just saying that I'm like that. No, but I go into this transcendent state in these views where like all I'm actually reading Larry's mind.

1:57:59 What's Larry thinking? As you're speaking, I'm actually reading Josh's mind. I'm reading. reading Mr. Boyd's Mind. But what happened is exactly case in point: something on the internet took a distracted Booze mind. That's what we're talking about. So, as he's giving this speech on social media, and I'm gonna get a wrap back around to your point, but I wanted to show you that as he's giving this speech on social media, one of his employees or entourage is actually on social media. It's like, and to your point, yes,

1:58:41 the in Instagram does have your woman, uh, and it's a lot of cases in society. Because, one, as you stated, they they frame their whole and not only from women, but Instagram has us because we present ourselves better out to social media than we do to the people in the room with us. And that's why I wanted to play that clip. Uh, because to social media, I mean, to some people, social media is more important than reality. No, it is their reality, which is a scary thought. That's a very scary thought. And where are we at now?

1:59:25 Um, where are we in alter reality? Um, and just to put a nice cherry on top about uh the what we present to Instagram. If your husband sees you a certain way, why do you feel like you need to put a filter on for everybody else? Who are you living for? And I don't have an answer to that, but just think about that. It's like, uh, and what that does, it makes I think it's having a real effect on people's mental uh the way they perceive things because we expect people to look like filters.

2:00:08 Like, yes, why did that person have bumps? Why do they, I mean, like, what you know, all the you know, if you if you only see people online and you see them in real life, it's very jarring. It's disappointing, and is that that's very unhealthy, yes? That's because you what you're doing is creating uh, and this goes back to the mental health thing, you're creating a reality that you can't live up to, and then you wonder why people are disappointed if you just be honest. Uh, and it just not let's say like physically, but honest mentally. Um, yeah, but honesty is frightening, Moe. People are very afraid of this, it's dangerous. That's right.

2:00:51 So, sir, I know we made it all the way through, uh, but can you please cue the theorymen? Of course, here we go, everybody. Now we're going off the rails, we're going nuts, all right. We have entered the conspiracy theory portion of the show, and we can't have uh uh one of these episodes without being conspiracy theorists that we are. I heard Kanye doing all this Jesus talk. Now, I am a man, a man of faith myself, and I'm not trying to question his uh his validity of his faith.

2:01:33 But I was watching a um documentary, The Family, on Netflix. In my 20s, I stumbled my way in, and what I found was a secretive Christian organization called The Family that have been hiding in plain sight for over 80 years. This was a group with tentacles around the world, a humble example of leadership that the world has never seen. A breathtaking enmeshment of church and state. There were Congressman Senators, world leaders, and they say it's about faith, but there's a shared understanding that what we're really about here is power.

2:02:11 Like to single out Doug Coe, Doug Co, and all of us associate the time. Doug Coe is the longtime leader of the family, he's the most powerful man in Washington you've never heard of. He said, The more invisible you can make your organization, the more influence it will have. Jesus plus nothing, it's a powerful thing using the national prayer breakfast. They dispatch representatives to build relationships with foreign leaders. That is exactly the kind of meeting that I would want to exploit for the family. Jesus says you must go to those who are in positions of power. God always uses imperfect vessels to do his perfect work.

2:02:51 President Trump's an imperfect vessel, Jesus is the answer, but Jesus and Capitol Hill don't mix because we want our. our family to stay together. Holy crap, I've not seen this trailer. What is this all about? Yes, it's the Family aka the Fellowship. It's a Christian organization in Washington, D.C. Its leader was Doug Coe. Yes, yes, yes, of course. I remember this. This is like the Boulet. It's the Christian Boulevard.

2:03:31 So they're the ones that hold the regular public event each year, the National Prayer Breakfast. Right. That's it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, I'm about to go there. I think, well, I have to say this: Kanye was clearly doing the bidding of the Illuminati at one point in his career. So much so, I had to part ways with even listening to his music. Oh, really? Around what time? What music, what songs were at that time? It started with Twisted Dark Fantasy.

2:04:13 He was saying some, say, a lot of satanic stuff in there that I was like, I really can't do it. And then he came out with what I could perceive to be the blasphemous album, Yeezus, which I've never heard before. It was a play on the word of Jesus. And so to the point where he was calling himself a God. And he, and doing the show, he would have a guy that looked like Jesus come on the stage and he would basically have a, it was very blasphemous. Now he goes from this, I believe he may have been inducted by the family.

2:04:57 And why not? And why not? That would be the power. That would be a great power center for him to operate from. Especially if you want to become president. Oh, brother, I love you when you do this to me. And by the way, when Kanye said that he was going to run for president, I was like, oh, yeah, he could do it. That's the same thing with Trump. It's like, yeah, that crazy. He could do it. Right circumstances, he could go. Because he did the same thing with Santinnis shoes. He was like, sneakers. He was like, hey, I'm going to have to make a shoe that rivals Jordan. And he did it. A lot of times when people say certain things, when certain people say certain things, you have to listen.

2:05:35 And listening as I do, as I watch this, I didn't go into this documentary thinking anything, the connection between them and Kanye. But as I listened to members of the group talk, and they have a substantial connection with black people inside the country and black people in Africa, Uganda, Nigeria, a lot of the dictators over there, the family has connections with. Uganda being one specifically. But let's listen to one of the members of the family talk in Family One.

2:06:15 We see this every day in our culture. We see great men who have done great things come crashing down over some affair that gets exposed. We're talking David, the greatest man of war. Bathsheba with a look brings him down to his knees where that no conquering army could defeat him, but he ran from his own family. I think existed for so long is because that we don't expose ourselves to media.

2:06:58 They just see what appears to be a big old surface argument with men braving one another. And they think that's all that this is about. Fools down there, those black dudes hollering at the white dudes, the white dudes trying to justify themselves to the black dudes. They think that's what's happening here. And of course, if you come here initially and see one of those, that is what's happening. But underneath that is a powerful work that God is doing that's actually changing men's lives. But I would ask you something to think about while you're sitting here is what are the lies that you have been telling yourself? And which one of those lies have you come to believe? Have you watched the series yet?

2:07:39 Yes. Because when I, just at the surface and hearing the promo and these bits and pieces, I'm like, I don't think this seems like a bunch of dickheads to me, too. I'm not saying they're good. Okay. And their philosophy is: it's Jesus and nothing. Right. And they, like I said, they deal with dictators. They don't care. It's that they're in with dealing with people is that they do the will of Jesus. Not the Bible, not that. And we're going to get to their philosophy more, but let's listen to the family too.

2:08:23 And often, men, especially who are confronted with themselves, they don't like what they see. And they don't like it being put in their face and spoken to what it actually is. And it's ugly. It's debased. But my point is, is the shame keeps us locked in our circumstances. And then if we don't deal with shame right, we start blaming. We blame our wives. We blame white folk. We blame black folk. We blame the economy. We blame doctrine. Everybody. There ain't nothing scarier in this country than a free black man speaking. Wow. Why? Because we've been through some shit here.

2:09:07 Wow, it's all there. It's Kanye's words almost. Yes. So on one of Kanye's albums, he had a song called Wolves. Now, the family has this philosophy about the wolf king. And they don't believe that Jesus was sent here for the sheep, but for the wolves. Wolf King. Understanding how we are proceeding by Doug Coe. We should not draw conclusions about what is right or wrong before we have all the factors in on our discussing them together.

2:09:44 We are at a crossroads. The right man at the right place, at the right time, can change history. When I was a member of the family, always we were talking about strength. Jesus says, you must go to those who are in positions of power. And I remember one of the senior brothers talking to me about the metaphor of the sheep and the wolf. He says, you think Christ came for the sheep, right? And I said, yes, yes, of course.

2:10:27 He said, you know, it's good to love the sheep, but who's going to love the wolf? And you know what? If you can get the wolf alongside you, wolf will get everyone else in line pretty quick. And so, you know, what about the sheep? We must go out and reach the wolf king. How do you get the wolf king? You show him that you have a great power. I love this theory. It just hit me like a lightning bolt. I was like, when you watch it and know what I know about this whole transformation, I'm like, he could be

2:11:12 aligning himself with the, like you said, the Christian Illuminati. And to do that, this is where this new identity comes from. As I was listening to that, you know, the bit about, you know, the right man will come along. I think they might even, did they use the word tool in there? That might have been my imagination. Just last night, I was watching a PBS frontline interview with Steve Bannon. And I've seen Steve Bannon interviews. This one was so good because he talked about how he, Bannon, and Jeff Sessions had years ago set up a whole bunch of things that they wanted to change in America or make great again, literally.

2:12:03 Now, it's Steve Bannon, so I don't know the guy. He may be full of shit, but it sounded very plausible and believable. And that, and that they, before Trump came on the scene, they'd been trying this. Things didn't work. And Jeff Sessions said, the right man will come along and he will be the tool of change. And Bannon says, and that man was Trump, an imperfect tool. Hear what I'm saying now, because this is just what Kanye is: an imperfect tool, but the tool nonetheless. And, you know, the Christians or the religious, I won't say right, the religious period.

2:12:49 Why? wouldn't they be? It's a great, it's a, I think it's what everybody wants if you have a group and you believe in something strong enough, and then you're waiting for the guy. And now you can call him Jesus the Messiah or the wolf to go after the wolves, but he's the imperfect tool. And I love this theory. And you cannot, you cannot deny Kanye is quoting from this series somehow, or it's just a big coincidence. It's one or either that, and I'll give you one other big coincidence. And then, you know what I'm saying? We could, we could, we could probably wrap up. After his visit to the White House, Kanye pops up in Uganda.

2:13:31 Oh, my goodness. The fellowship and Uganda have a very tight relationship. They were ones that were helping push that anti-gay bill in Uganda. Yes. He pops up and he meets with the president of Uganda. And I couldn't clip it because it wasn't, it was the, I saw the clip on YouTube. But the family, they have this little Bible. It's a subset of the books of the holy Bible, which only the Gospels, the four books of the gospel. And damn it, if it didn't look like Kanye had that in his hand when he was meeting the president.

2:14:12 Well, I'm a bit concerned about the Uganda connection because Uganda is run by the CIA. It's been run by the CIA for the past 50 years. So I'm very concerned about that. And, you know, but who the hell knows? And I'll go ahead. No, no, go ahead. Please finish. And I will wrap with, I mean, from my side with this. Kanye is a very easy win for president. That sounds crazy, but I've said this before, and I was called crazy. Now, we've said the left, right, you know, the Democrats rely on heavy black vote, right?

2:14:57 If they can get that number down, if Kanye can get that number down enough, it's about the negative vote here. And he already told you in these clips before, Middle America is with Kanye. And I agree. And he's only solidified. I listened to the album. And by the way, in that interview, we didn't play it, but he says, you know, I'm like Michael Jackson, you know, he's got all these different things. I'm Michael Jordan, right? I'm hearing Stevie Wonder in this record. I'm what we would call the musical genius of Stevie Wonder. There is some outstanding stuff in this record.

2:15:39 But without a doubt, from beginning to end, it's spiritual. It's religious. It's Christian from beginning to end. Every lyric, every word, but the choirs, all the stuff. And it's the message. It's all there. And who's on that wall in a black home? Let's see. We had the black baby Jesus. Jesus. JFK. That's right. And Martin Luther King. That's it. Uh-huh. Oh, my God, Mo. Thank you once again. You have delivered better than I could have imagined. I told Tina this morning, we're deconstructing Kanye. I'm so excited.

2:16:23 And perfect. And I'll tell you, ma'am, I'm with you. Under the right circumstances with the right backing, Kanye, of course, he could become president. Regardless, it'll be so good for the show. It'll be so good for the show. And this show. Please run. Yeah, Kanye, please run, Kanye. And this show is, of course, put out free to listen to, free to copy, send around, move around to anybody as a podcast. Of course, support is needed. You hear the work that is being done here, but more importantly, what's the value that you got by listening to the past two hours to us two Jamoks just shooting the shit?

2:17:08 Turns out people do get some value from it. And all we ask is you show some of that in return. It's called the value for value system. And if it was, what is your time worth? If your time is only worth a couple of bucks an hour, good. If you didn't get any value out of it, please keep listening. Don't send anything. But if you did, go to mofundme.com, M-O-E-F-U-N-D-M-E dot com, mofundme.com and support the show and support the work. Mo, thank you. It just once again, it makes me excited for the next show. And as I as I always say, pay attention to everything and the truth will reveal itself.

2:17:50 That's right. And we will reveal ourselves once again in one week from now. And you never know where the show can go. Mofax.com with Adam Curry. It's MoFax.com. And support the work at MoFundMe.com. Talk to you next time, Mo. All right, see you later, Adam. Bye-bye, everybody. Listen, everybody, to what I'm saying. We gotta change the way we live. Better get together, try and figure out whether you're giving all you can give. The whale's going dry, everybody's getting high, grabbing all that they can find. You can stand by, raise it to the sky, or look to the rainbow sand.

2:18:35 But come on, people, let the show begin. Look at down in it, try and find a friend. Because time keeps moving and today won't come again. No, no, no. La la la la la. La la la la la la la. La la la la la. La la la la la la la la. La la la la la. La la la la la la la. La la la la la. La la la la la la la la. When we meet out in the street and you play your little ego games, it breaks my heart the way it keeps us apart.

2:19:16 It's a sin, a crime, and a shame. I know you hesitate, there's an awful lot of hate, mistrust for your fellow man. But don't sit around and wait until it's too late. Take a hold of your brother's hand. Oh, come on, people, let the show begin. Look at down in it, try and find a friend. Because time keeps moving and today won't come again. No, no, no, no, no, la la la. La la la la la la la. La la la la la. La la la la la la la la. La la la la la. La la la la la la la. La la la la la.

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