09: One Drop

00:11 MoFax with Adam Curry for September 30th, 2019. This is episode number nine. Hey, Mo. How you doing, Adam? I'm doing good, man. How are you? I am doing well, sir. You know, on the last episode, we learned something really important. Mainly that the elites of the world wanting to kill us is not just a white thing. It's a black thing, too. I was so happy to hear that. Yes, there's a quality. Black elites want to kill everybody, too. It's fantastic. Yes, there's only two parties, the elite and everybody else. Yeah, or the globalists and the, I don't know. I don't want to say nationalists per se, but the non-globalists, perhaps.

00:56 Right. That's right. I look at it. Yeah. Well, I'm very curious to see what we got going on today. Of course, the way we operate this show is Mo does the preparation, the production, gets all the clips together. I do not listen to the clips. I can see by some of the titles, though, that this just might be a very fun show. It's a show that I previously promised. And as me being me, I always try to keep good on my promises. So two episodes ago, when we were talking about Mr. Sean King, we had the colorism. Yes, the different shades. Subrees of brown and black that are problematic. Right.

01:35 So what I wanted to do here is do a deep dive. And what prompted me to do that is ABC's new show, Mixed-ish. In the summer of 1985, I was 12 years old and I was living with my family on a commune. We ate together, prayed together, and even slept together. I would have told you it was perfect. But the government would have told you we were a radicalized cult in violation of over 47 ATF regulations. My peaceful little world had been taken away. When are we going back home? This is our new home.

02:17 What? Hey, hippies. Harrison Jackson III was my grandfather. I'm going to make more real world money to pay for this real world house that your entire family survival is dependent upon. That is why I hate guns. My little brother Johan looked at everything like one great big magical adventure. My little sister Santa Monica complained like a woman with no kids on her third divorce. Which, interestingly enough, she would eventually become. And when we got to school, we got introduced to the real world. Real quick. What are you weirdos mixed with? What's mixed? My parents had sent us out into the world with absolutely no warning that being mixed was even a thing.

03:03 Imagine being the new kid when no one in the world is like you. But you have to understand. Today's mixed kids can look up to rappers, ballerinas, athletes, a president, and a princess. The only heroes we had were Debarge. You don't have to worry what those other kids think. They're idiots. And I want to be one of them. I want to be an idiot so bad. All right. This was like an 80s bad acid flashback for me with Tears for Fears and Debarge. Who's Johnny? That's all we missed. That would have been fine. Wow. Okay. So some background on the show.

03:44 This is a spin-off of the popular show on ABC called Blackish. Oh, yeah. So I like Blackish. That's a pretty good show. Okay. So this is covering the mom's past, which her name is Rainbow. And she's mixed. Her mother is on the show. Her mother is black and her father's white, which almost mirrors the actual actress Tracy Ellis Ross. Oh, that's Diana. That's right. Diner Ross's daughter. Correct. So we hear in this, it was one thing in this clip. And you probably didn't catch it, but

04:30 I'm going to bring it up. And then maybe you want to replay it again. Just a tiny bit of it. Okay. They say when she was growing up, mixed kids had nobody to look up to. Right. Now they have a president. Yeah, I did hear that we can look up to everything, including presidents. I did hear that. Right. President Ballerina and Princess. So it's near the end, right, of that clip, I think. I think it's about maybe three-fourths in on the clip. Let me see. Real quick. What are you weirdos mixed with? What's mixed? mixed? My parents had sent us out into the world with absolutely no warning that being mixed was even a thing. Imagine being the new kid when no one in the world is like you. But you have to understand.

05:13 Today's mixed kids can look up to rappers, ballerinas, athletes, a president, and a princess. The only heroes we had were DeBarge. No, not again. I can't listen to Debarge. Right. Right. Please, please don't. Just be in the mouth tonight. Okay, so when they just, so this is an audio show, so we couldn't see who they flashed up there, but they flashed up when they said rapper Drake. President. Let me President Trump. Did they put up Trump? No, it was Abraham Lincoln. No. It was President Obama. And then the princess was Megan Markle. Megan Markle. And who is the ballerina? What is her name?

05:58 Misty. You got me. I know. I know. I know who it is. I don't remember her name, but yeah. I don't want to say, yeah. So. Mixed. Lots of mixed people. Right. So what struck me about this is now we're referring to these people openly as mixed. Instead of black. Black. Yeah. Gotcha. We didn't do this in 2008. No one called Obama mixed. Correct. No one called Megan Markle the first mixed princess or no, it was first black princess. Right. So this is why I was like, okay, this is perfect. It's a nudge.

06:39 Perfect jumping off point for to attack this thing called colorism and the origin of colorism in the black community. Mo, can I just say something? I love you, man. Yes. This is so. I love it when you do this. This is great. Right into what's going on in the world. Perfect. Let's do it. Right. So just some background on the show. Blackish. I like this show, but to use woke language, it has some problematic moments on the show. Oh, yes, it does. Oh, like the kid that the kid wanting to be a Republican was very problematic.

07:20 Right. So the show is used as a tool of propaganda. We have to be honest. It's not just a television show. So much so, they had a the talk episode sponsored by Procter Gamble. Oh, yeah. Of course, this was the, we talked about that, Procter Gamble promoting the talk. Yes. So that feat, it was a whole episode surrounded, sponsored by Procter Gamble and surrounded around the talk. So, but I have some clips here just to give some background for the people that haven't seen the show of things I heard on the show that I found to be, you know, just kind of cringe-worthy. So let's get into clip number two.

08:12 You know, like I do around here. Look at these numbers. Charlie, I've never seen you use white guilt around here. So Pop Pass Friday wasn't enough to convince you. That's his buddy at work, right? I love that guy. Yeah, so they have the guy at work. So it's two, just some background, on more background on the show. You have Trey, I think it's Dre Johnson or Trey Johnson, one of the two. But he's the main character. He's Rainbow Abo's husband. And he's very, I'm saying, smart, articulate, but they work for an ad agency, which is funny because it gives you a little inside glimpse into how I would perceive ad agencies look at black people to say, what did the black community think about this?

09:05 Or if they have a product they're trying to sell to black people, you see that often. But the conversation they had between the two black men in the office was he was telling me he had to throw down the big card of white guilt. And for example, for him to show that he used white guilt to get Popeye's chicken, which we had that conversation. We sure did. We're covering a lot of stuff here. So I was like, that made me cringe. But so that's one moment. Second moment, the clip three. I want a strong black name. Oh, boy. Okay, because we've given our kids white names and they've all ended up blackish.

09:50 I just want at least one of my kids to end up being black so I can love it. Your kids are not black enough. Nice. So that makes he used the term black-ish. So I'm like, what does that mean? I don't know what black-ish. Well, let me tell you from the white audience. Oh, this means it's black people who are nicely integrated into white society, Mo. Yes. So it's a racist show, man. Right. Very, very much so.

10:30 But I'm not going to harp on that too much. But we can see leading up from the history of this show what we can expect to come from the mixedest show. It's going to be into more propaganda. But I've always understood all black people are black. And we never made this designation between mixed and black. I mean, if you're black, you're black. But before we get to there, because that's where we're headed with this whole show, not only do they push agendas that are race-based, they also push the agendas that are not race-based, one being for the pharmaceutical companies, vaccines.

11:14 I didn't mean to offend anyone. I am thankful vaccines have eradicated so many deadly childhood diseases. Oh, look, we've got a show for Big Pharma here. Shoe? In Jersey, we like to vaccinate our kids the natural way by swimming in a polluted lake. Do you even know what's in vaccines? Well, I am a doctor. All of us are trying to do what's right for our kids, but we can't let emotions make our medical decisions. Frustrated emoji. No, we should let a stay-at-home doctor make our decisions for us.

11:53 Crying, laughing emoji. Really? Vaccines work. They work so well that idiots haven't seen the ravages of polio firsthand, so they start spreading lies. Snorting emoji. Ha ha ha. How much are they paying you to poison our kids, Dr. Death needle emoji? Bitch, I will drive to New Jersey to fight you, and your ugly kids can watch. Mom! Hi. Nice Twitter dialogue. Right. So you can see that she's a, she's that the show is shilling for big pharma coming after the vaxxers. And that's just some background on the show to show you. Let me ask you a question. So, first of all, Rainbow, the mom in the show, is a doctor.

12:38 Yes. Is there a big, is there a wariness amongst black people about vaccination specifically or big pharma in general? There's a wariness about doctors, period, in the black community. But it's too, it's like either you're on one side or the other strongly. One side doesn't trust doctors for situations like the Testigi project. Yeah, there's a couple of historical reasons for that. Yeah. Right. So then you're like, man, and then it's like a lot of times

13:18 doctors are on some bull crap. Other half looks as doctors is almost like Jesus' right-hand man. Right. Okay. So that's kind of the same. And they live in doctors. Well, I'm saying doctors are highly exalted. So you don't really have a middle. You don't really have a middle on doctors or the medical industry. Interesting. Okay. So as I said, as I was previously stating, black people have really didn't make the distinction between mixed and black. What we did do was we have a stratosphere of blackness.

13:58 You have from high yellow to dark black. Hence the intro song. Yes. Black and yellow, whiz Khalifa. Right. Right. So high yellow is like a very light-skinned person. And then you have me saying dark black is very black. But what you had was the thing called the one-drop rule. And this is how you see where very light-skinned, light-skinned people are embraced by black people as us. Now we might fight within ourselves, but you're one of us. Let's listen to Halle Berry on the one-drop rule.

14:45 Welcome back to News Nation, a new interview with actress Halley Berry is igniting controversy today. today over how the Oscar winner chooses to identify her own daughter. In the March issue of Ebony Magazine, Barry is speaking out about her biracial daughter whose father is white. Barry says she'll let her two and a half-year-old daughter, Nala, make her own decision about her race when she's older. But Barry says she feels like she's black because she believes in the one-drop theory, the segregation era theory used to identify a person of mixed ancestry. Earl Ofari Hutchinson is contributor with thegrio.com. He joins me live from Los Angeles. And Earl, you wrote that Halle Berry opened the lid on one of the thorniest issues that still plagues race relations.

15:28 And you even bring up President Obama in your piece. Tell me a little bit more about your theory here. Well, she actually did. She opened up a can of worms on that. When we talk about race in America, we typically think of black and white. But now, as we well know, there's a new equation: biracial, multiracial, mixed racial, and African-American. So now we've got all of these things in the mix. Now, Halle Berry essentially says, actually, two things. Number one, I'll let my daughter make her decision, but, and this is what caused the controversy: I am African-American. I'm proud of that. My daughter is seen as that. And essentially, that's the way it's going to be. The interesting thing about that, remember during the election and before the election, it came up over and over again with President Obama.

16:11 What is it? Yeah, well, Hallie, how is the one-drop rule defined? Because so many people, I actually was surprised. You know, they didn't know really what it is and what it means to black people. Well, once again, learning on a Monday. Never heard of the one-drop rule. Never heard of this. All right, so the one-drop rule, we're going to get some background on it. So basically, if you're any part black, you're black. Okay. I mean, to super oversimplify, you know, I have later clips that go into detail what it is, but this is how you saw Rachel Dolezao and Sean King be embraced by black people.

16:54 Because it's like, if you have any part black in you, you're black. You're qualified. Yeah, there's no mix. I mean, you might say, oh, yes, she's mixed, but you don't refer to that person as mixed. They're black. Halle Berry, for example, we've always looked at her. She's the first black actress to win Oscar and a leading role. President Obama, he's the first black president. Like I said before, Megan Markle is the first black princess in modern times. So we never made that distinction. But let's get into the second clip, Halle Berry.

17:38 Well, you know, when we look at race, I mean, we know one thing: there's no genealogical or biological basis for race. As you know, everybody is mixed with somebody else. However, it becomes a political designation. So, are you black? Are you mixed race? Now, politics has come in and how society perceives and labels individuals. In this case, it happens to be African American. I just think Halle Berry is just reflecting the reality. The reality is. The one-drop rule was the law of the land in the early to mid-20th century, which you point out. Yes, as a matter of fact, actually, it was encoded in law in Virginia in 1924 and many other states. And essentially, a one-drop rule says if you have one drop, quote-unquote, whatever that is, you're African-American or black.

18:23 Well, as we well know, you know, that was 60, 70, 80 years ago. Much has changed since then. But then again, maybe much hasn't changed because Halle Berry is suggesting many of the old rules still apply. Well, you point out this is in your words. This is a sad reminder that race still does matter and matters a lot to many Americans, no matter what they or others call themselves. A very interesting article you've written on the Grio. We greatly appreciate you joining me. And you can actually read Earl's entire report on this one-drop rule debate right now on thegrio.com. Thanks, Earl. All right. I didn't know it wasn't coded in law either. This is nuts.

19:04 So, the reason why that was, so what you had was, you've seen other countries, you have a black community, you have a white community, and then most other countries, like say Brazil, South Africa, you have a, what they call like a mulatto class or a mulatto group. And America, they wanted a clear distinction between black and white. So it was like, and it was really, it was a deterrence for people to interracially date or mingle.

19:45 Because it was kind of like a punishment. This is how it's perceived to say, if you have a mixed baby, that baby's going to be black and it's going to suffer under Jim Crow. So, you know, it was really a deterrent. And that's how it was set up. So. Yes. And that kind of sucks. Very much so. What a dumb system. Okay. Now, this change, though, I guess with the civil rights movement and then the Civil Rights Act. And the weird thing is, black people adopted it

20:26 because we want to be inclusive in our race. We embrace everybody. So that's why this show, Mixedish, really threw me for a loop because it wasn't embracing, it's separating. Separating out. I guess. Now we're going to see why this change all of a sudden. Why are they trying to divide, why are they trying to create that mulatto group in America now? That's the real question that I sought out. And hopefully I'll answer it today

21:05 with my findings. But we also have Don Lemon, and he does some background on the one-drop rule. In the years following the abolition of slavery, some Americans feared a rise in interracial relationships. So states began passing laws to make sure that any child with a Negro and a white parent could be considered black and denied the rights of white people. In other words, a child with even one drop of Negro blood would be classified as Negro. This became known as the one-drop rule, a standard ruled unconstitutional by the U.S. Supreme Court in 1967. This and the hardships of racism also caused African Americans to pass, pretend they were white without ever telling their families, leaving a lot of whites not knowing they had black blood.

21:47 But some experts on race relations say the legacy of the one-drop rule still exists in today's culture. So he brought up a great point of passing. Have you ever heard this term before? Yes, I've heard it in the realm of transgender people. Hmm. Interesting. You threw it at me. I'm like, oh, yeah, okay. It's or passable, I think, is what is used. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Well, we've seen this correlation between LGBTQQIPK and black people as recent as our last show. Yes. So there are a lot of

22:29 similarities there. So just going did one, I'm just perplexed. When did we work so hard to have unity? And the weird thing is, the reason why I say this is you have to understand blackness. And that's why I want people to understand. No matter your shade, you're black in the black community. Except Don Lemon, who is who clearly is a mixed race, one dropper, I guess, somewhere down the line.

23:11 Does he consider himself black? I don't know now. I'm not sure. And we're going to get to that point. And once again, I'm ahead of the game. I'm sorry. Sorry about that. He's from the future. That's what it is. I got to get you a helmet. I just want to say, my experience with black people and my experience living with black people was in college, totally inclusive. Now, granted, they didn't see me as white. And you're from Holland. That's different. And I was completely accepted and integrated. So I witnessed nothing but inclusiveness myself. So I can vouch for that based on my own history.

23:52 And that's what we do. That's what we do. And like I said before, that's why Rachel Dolezal and Sean King were allowed to be brought in. Because if you say you're black, I guess it's something you really won't lie about if you wasn't. By the way, I never claimed I was black. I think it's clear. Right. I'm just saying, but that'd be like the last thing you would lie about in a black person's mind. It's like, why would you want this burden? So we're believing of people. I mean, perceived burden. So we're very believing of people. But let's get into the Don Lemon 2 clip. Explain what the one drop rule is.

24:34 The one drop rule, historically, also known as the rule of hypo descent, was really instituted to protect whiteness. It was a way for the white majority to be able to name and cite who was white. So it was one drop, which is one 30 second. 132nd of Negro or African blood would make that person Negro or African, whatever the classification they used at the time. I hear people say we're in a post-racial society. The reality is, in order to get beyond something, you have to understand it, right? And where in your education, where have you been required to learn about race? They don't teach it. No, it is the foundation of this country. We have to talk about race. We have to talk about racial difference. It is just a flat-out lie for us to believe that we've moved beyond race.

25:19 And who was this? This was this Dr. Yaba, whatever. Yes, Dr. Yaba Blay. She has a one-drop foundation where she's studying the one-drop rule. And if you heard what she said, the one-drop rule scientifically was if you're 132nd black. So let's take Megan Markle for instance. She's half black. Her child will be one-fourth black. Wait a minute. Is that only 33%? Is that enough? 25%, 25%. 25% is not enough. Yes. Yes. So his child could, okay, her child could,

25:59 just to give you an example, her child could marry a white person, have a child. That child will be one-eighth black. That child could marry a white person. That child will be 1/16th black. And then that child can marry a white person. Then that child will be 132nd black, and that would still be considered black. Okay. No, Matt. And that's the thing. That child would not appear to be black at all. Megan Markle's child doesn't appear to be black at all. We've never really seen the child, have we? I thought it was kind of obstinate. Yeah, they have a picture out and it was floating around the.

26:39 It was memed. And it's like, yeah. I'm surprised I didn't come across your black timeline because it was like, this is the black prince. I know. What am I thinking? Well, I try to avoid gossip from royalty in general. So that's probably what happened there. But just to give you an example, but if a person was to say that, we would be accepting them. Not to harp on it anymore, but just that's the background of the one-drop rule. Let's listen to the final lemon clip. Let's talk about colorism because I write about, I have a book and I write about colorism, about the difference between having light skin and dark skin. Light skin was, you were a bit more privileged. And still in society, people think that way, but it used to be worse.

27:24 Right. Let's talk about the privileges of having light skin, even if you are a person of color. Whiteness is normative. So what that means is that whiteness has come to define what is human, what is valuable, what is beautiful. So when we look at women, the ways in which you determine a woman's beauty is based upon her proximity to the white ideal. Aquiline features, straight hair, perhaps colored eyes, different complexion. And the same holds true for men. So again, I think subconscious or otherwise, historically, what that has said or communicated is that if you are of lighter skin, we can assume that you have white in your blood. And to have white in your blood makes you less African, makes you less barbaric, makes you more civilized.

28:06 That's a heavy assumption. Yeah, no kidding. But I did have a listener contact me, and he's from India. And to keep his name, you know what I'm saying, anonymous. He said all the things we stated two shows ago about colorism hold true in India. Oh, but there it's real classist, I would presume. Yes, it's very classist. You know, I think, but not for certain, the caste system is somewhat based off of color. Yep, yep, yep. So we were going back and forth on Twitter, you know, saying in DMs.

28:46 And I asked him, I said, I've noticed, just to kind of a little sidebar here, because I want to make sure this is not a black only issue. This is a light versus dark issue. And we're going to get into the multiracial, mixed rate, interracial stuff soon. But we have to understand, from my perspective, the background of all this. So I was, I asked him, I said, hey, I noticed none of the guys I work with from India's wives are darker than them. He said, oh, yeah. Huh. He said, that's a true observation. So it's this weird thing. I don't know if it's conscious or subconscious, but

29:31 do we liken beauty to fairer skin? I don't have an answer for that. I can speak personally. I am of darker skin. And the weird thing was, when I was attempting to date, especially in high school, because I met my wife very early, but in high school, none of the dark-skinned girls were interested in me. And I would say that from a white person's perspective, tans are always seen as beautiful. The nice bronze sheen is desirable. So I mean, yeah, there's, I think, in fashion today, there's definitely an admiration of extremely white, but with freckles or red hair, you know, there's stuff like that.

30:19 But I think in general, it's still, you know, look at the women putting on makeup. White women putting on makeup makes them a darker tint. It's just a fact. And it's the complete opposite for black women. We're all moving towards the brown, the mixed-ish. Yes. What are we doing? We're all going to be one indistinguishable peoples. All right. End the show. I'm sorry. I slept six hours. You know, it's like, it's long for me. I'll shut up now. All right. Keep going. No, no, no. It's funny that you always pick up where I'm going here. But it's very true.

31:00 We're working our way towards the middle. And we've already heard the term tall, dark, and handsome. Yes. So colorism, colorism, an aspect of beauty has been around forever. It's not a factor for black men, as big a factor for black men as it is for black women. I think black women are harder hit by colorism. But now, so we have the color spectrum laid out. But we have to ask, how do we get there? How do we get to mix to light skin to dark skin?

31:41 And Bill Duke explains that. Now, you actually created a documentary called Dark Girls and Light Girls. Yes. And this actually was based on your own personal experiences, seeing how women of different complexions were treated as you were growing up. Yes, how I was treated, how I saw women being treated, but more specifically, racism in our own community based upon slavery principles. A lot of the

32:20 racism in our community is based upon the House Negroes versus the field Negroes. And the House Negroes were the ones who MASA had sex with a slave and she'd have a baby. And because they were mixed, black and white, they have the privilege of working in the house as servants, cooks, maids, etc. But if you were dark, he worked in the field from sun up to sundown. And that was the division. And the field Negroes were not fond of the house Negroes because they had privileges.

33:03 And the House Negroes were not fond of the field Negroes because they were privileged. Until this day, if you go online under hashtag team lightskin, hashtag team darkskin, you'll see light-skinned black women and dark-skinned black women brooking over beauty issues. And each of them has over 300,000 members. Bill Duke, of course, is a famous director. Yes, actor and director. Yes. And he explains the phenomenon called the field Negro versus the House Negro.

33:40 It's just very interesting. My perception and understanding has always, again, this is just from my perspective, has been the House Negro is kind of like a traitor. You know, the House Negro is just someone who was sucking up to the MASA. I had no idea of this part of this aspect of it. That is a true observation you made because, but you had to look at the psychology behind it. And this is why I have these conversations. Why is the House Negro looked at as favorable to MASA? Well, now we know. Yes, of course. Now I understand. Sure.

34:24 This is my child. And could you imagine the. shame that a woman had to have if she had a light-skinned child? Sure. You can't hide that. I mean, you have three dark-skinned children and then this one light-skinned child. Everybody knows what the root of that was. So there is built-in animosity there. But in favor of the House Negro, they will be able to inherit land. A lot of times they will willed their freedom upon Master dying.

35:03 He would set his children free. So during slave times, you had this, you had that subculture of mulattoes. But that's why they instilled the one drop rule. Got it. So what it did was force these two groups that had all this animosity back together. Because the House Negro couldn't identify with the field Negro because it's like, man, you live in the house and you eat Massa scraps and he share his blood. So you're not black enough. But on the other hand, it's like, no, you got to drop.

35:44 You got to drop. You're not really one of us. Right. Yep. And but then the one drop rule forces these two things together. And the House Negroes were typically the founding members of what would be considered the bullet because of that privilege. Yowza. So fast forward, you say post Reconstruction, you had a lot of mixed race people, black. I mean, I consider them black. I don't make that distinction, but you had a lot of mixed race people that were

36:24 landowners and occupying political office. And as we spoke on the last show, all of Rockefeller money came in to create these learning institutes. And at these learning institutes were a lot majority fair-skinned black people. Let's just be honest here. So much so, there was a letter discussing this from Howard University in 1928. Paperbag Test. Letter from 1928 addresses black fraternity and sorority colorism at Howard University.

37:09 Ever and anonymous rumors and reports come out of our college and institutes that color prejudice is in evidence and color discrimination practiced. We are not so surprised when we hear such rumors and reports about institutions of learning owned, controlled, and attended by white people. But it certainly comes as a great shock and causes a feeling of shame when we hear such news about Negro colleges. At first glance, it would seem incredible that Negroes themselves, the victims, victims of ignorant prejudice and discrimination because of color, should follow the lead of the Nordics.

37:54 And yet, a sophomore at Howard University, our proudest institution of learning, makes such a charge against the Negro fraternities and sororities there. Writing in the Hilltop, a campus publication, the student Edward H. Taylor alleges that the Greek letter organizations are behind the movement, which results in splitting up the various classes into groups of different shades: yellow, brown, and black. According to this young man, the light-skinned students are sought after by the fraternities and sororities, particularly the latter, as members. And the dark ones pass by. The darker brown students then form their own cliques while the blacks are left out in the cold.

38:38 This is the most disgraceful situation imaginable. Wow. So, Howard is Kamala Harris's alma mater, I believe. Yes. Historically black college. And she's a member of one of those fraternities. Excuse me. The Boulevard of the Boulet. Just say it. She's the Boulet. Yes. And secondarily, I want that guy's voice. What a voice. What a set of pipes on that guy. Yeah. So that was a reading of that letter from 1928 addressing the colorism at Howard University. So it was. It was like you're black in the historically black system. Yeah. Yes. You're black. It's like we're black, but it's different variations of black.

39:23 Like we went. when the outside force comes at us, we cling together. But inside, there's a lot of infighting. And I hope people notice this throughout every show I've made. They divide black people on every distinction possible. And just as a parallel, this is the same with the LGBTQ community, which is not a community. I've always said, I grew up in Amsterdam around a lot of this. There's no community. It's actually unfairly and I would say insultingly lumping everybody together. But the weird thing about colorism, just background.

40:07 I have two brown-skinned children. I have two lighter-skinned children. Now, you mentioned this before. How does this happen? Because, okay, going back to my lineage, on my dad's side, my grandmother is fair-skinned. My grandfather on my dad's side is dark-skinned. On my mom's side, my grandfather is fair-skinned. And my grandmother, my grandmother on my mother's side, is dark-skinned. Or darker brown. How about your wife? My wife is lighter-skinned. Got it. So it's like, where did that come from? I mean, so here's the thing.

40:49 Just because you're light-skinned don't mean you're biracial because we we've had many many generations of light-skinned people that intermarried that they're considered just as black as I am but they have fairer skin and then with genetics you know you never know what you're gonna get out the meeting crapshoots right so this is the weird that's where it differs from other communities because you can't just uh divide and say okay you're over here you're over here how would you divide my children you know would you say oh you you two are light-skinned so you go on this side or you two are brown brown skinned you go on this side so it just makes for a weird uh problem can i ask you a personal question yes sure

41:35 do your kids have issues amongst themselves no because i'm glad you asked that because it leads us to the next clip the education has to come from the parents to say there is no difference when i see a light-skinned person i don't see them as being any less black i judge a person on their actions and where what they hold uh what they hold resp uh what they hold in their hearts yeah and important yeah importance uh going i hate to keep going back to these people but that's why you can have people like sean king and rachel dollars out to come in because if you judge them on that standard like hey

42:15 they're members of the nazp uh they're fighting for what is perceived to be black rights you know not off their skin color they're black uh but you asked a great question no it was not a great question no it was because matthew knows who is beyonce's father is gonna explain that one of your answers to the root of this now in your book you said that your mother would tell you don't ever bring no nappy headed black girl to my house yeah which

42:51 was wrong uh you know that was an era in the south that uh a lot of black women uh felt women of color felt uh and and she consistently said that and it i internalized that and and because i internalized that and because i was one of the flack first blacks in junior high one of the first in high school university of tennessee uh i dated white girls uh when i was a kid because i internalized my mother saying don't ever bring no black nappy haired girl home well i mean that's kind of kind of interesting because your mother is she dark-skinned kind of in the middle kind of

43:31 in the middle kind of in the middle so was she saying don't bring home a girl that looks like her or darker than her or or what what is as a kid i internalize it to be even darkest or her color or darker so so what what was really going through your mind when when your mother is saying don't don't date someone who looks like me i internalized that that was ugly not attractive not the the right person uh type of girl that she wanted me to date or have a relationship with that's how i internalized it and of course he married uh uh tina knoll tina who is light-skinned yes and he's he's dark-skinned well she's actually biracial as he um

44:18 i mean like that's the thing thing. Yeah, she's black, but she's light-skinned. Right. But you have to ask the question. This show is going to be heavy on psychology. Did his mother tell him that because she didn't want her grandkids to have the perceived burden that she had? Possibly. You know, procreate with a lighter person because my grandchildren will have a better opportunity. That sounds like something a grandmother would do. Right. But it would seem as hateful. That's why it's this weird thing. That's why I say it's a great question because you said it up well.

44:59 If we were that way, we would be teaching our kids that. But we tell them all shades are black. You know, there is no blacker, but you're saying blacker because your skin color. But there is a black. No, don't get it twisted. And we push that heavy in my house, and it's out of a sense of I like being black. I don't see it as being a burden as some people see it. You know, I embrace it. I think we are some of the most team me, you know, saying interesting people. Interesting show fact. I've never seen you.

45:38 No, once, once, honestly, once. We were setting up Skype. The webcam went on. Uh-oh, Bo, I got to be honest. It was a dark room. I couldn't see. I have no idea what you look like. I really don't. I don't. It was a dark room. And it doesn't matter. That's what I love about the podcast. Who the hell knows? It could be anything. Right. But I don't embrace that self-hate. I was never allowed to. No, that's my upbringing. That's what it taught me to embrace, you know, our, and that's where we're headed in this conversation. That's why I take what's happening is such an offense.

46:19 And it's against Martin Luther King's words. Judge not a man on the color of his skin, but on the content of his character. The character of his character. Yes. But with in-house, we judge people based solely off the color of their skin. Woo-hoo! Yeah, and they had to jump higher hurdles. As you've seen here, I mean, in the previous clip, the man brought up the brown paper bag test. Yes. And this is a real thing. I've heard of the brown paper bag test. I've heard of that. In South Africa, they had, I believe, what is called the pencil test. Not only is skin color a big issue and

46:59 black people's in the black sphere or realm, hair texture is another thing. So in South Africa, they do what is called the pencil test. If the pencil could be placed into your hair and it falls out, then you pass. Wow. So speaking of the brown paper bag test, Matthew knows, Beyoncé Father speaks on that. Fortunately, we had scrimmaged a little small black school. You know, larger schools scrimmage small black schools or play them in an initial year season.

47:37 And this coach at Fisk University whispered in my ear because I played very well in the scrimmage that if I ever wanted to go to Fisk University to just call him. And I remembered that. So you transferred to Fisk? Transferred to Fisk. But Fisk had the color, the brown paper bag test. Brown paper bag test. This is a real thing. Oh, absolutely. A very known thing in the black community. I remember Azalea Banks was lightening her skin at one point. And she was talking about the brown paper bag test and how black guys respect the brown paper bag.

48:20 Well-known fact. I had never heard of it until she said it. I didn't realize how far back it goes. Yeah. So they pulled out a brown paper bag? No, how it worked. This is, I transferred in 1972. Okay. And how, and it was the last class that they did the brown paper bag. They would ask you for a photo you had to submit with your registration. And they would put the photo up against the brown paper bag. Okay. And Fisk was a, was a black, primarily black school? It was all black. 100% black. So you have a 100% black school that would not admit dark-skinned people if they were not athletes.

48:59 That's absolutely right. Or if they were women and they had very prominent families of very wealthy families that donated a significant amount of money to the school. What is wrong with you black people? people, Mo Wow, that's crazy. When you go back to the origin of colorism and the difference in the color, you see it goes back to the house Negro and the field Negro. And this is 1972. 1972. Wow. That's why that's yes. We went from 1928 to 1972.

49:42 He said he was the last class. But did you catch at the end there? Yeah. Oh, if you had some money, then it was a different story. Does that sound familiar? Yeah, at like every university known to man. But no, in the recent news. Yeah, of course. We got the celebrities who were buying their kids' way in. Of course. You could do it with colorism too. Yes. Crazy. Yeah. So out of all the things I listed in the eight previous shows that divide our people, you topped this one on top of it on the surface level.

50:21 I mean, not no pun intended. Yeah. But, you know, on it, clearly, and it's, it, it's not only then in 1972. By the way, may I make a suggestion? Yes. That this is a different yet correct example of institutional racism. Yes. Just want to put it out there. Uh-huh. Just as bad. It's just, you know, look at where it's happening. That's that's phenomenal to learn this. And it's like I said, it's psychological because when you see,

51:00 you're going to hear how the effects of it. Even to this day, like Bill Duke said in the previous clip, he said, you can go on now online and look up Team Light Skin, hashtag Team Light Skin or Team Dark Skin. And I challenge the people, our listeners, to do that just so you can see aspect. And it's very hateful. It's so hateful. Actually, so hateful, so much so. I would like to see them remove this as some kind of hate communication. And I'm not one of the people, you know, for removing communication, but that's what it is. And you can see it hit the road. I mean, you see the rubber meet the road. And this next clip with the Prince family.

51:43 Now, background in the Prince family. They are a YouTube couple and they basically document every moment of their lives on YouTube. Now, I think her name is Bianca Prince. She is very fair skinned and she is the product of a biracial relationship. And the man is dark skinned. But let's listen to her and accusations against her about being a colorist. For sure, for sure. The Prince family's video about the birth of their daughter was supposed to be a beautiful family moment.

52:27 But after they posted it to YouTube, some commenters complained about how mama was talking to her new baby. Did I not have blue eyes when I was born? Sorry. Like blue eyes. She do have pretty eyes. Baby Nova Grace Prince was born last month. She's the third child of Bianca and Damien Prince. More than 3 million people subscribe to their YouTube channel to experience all of the family's intimate moments. But some people who watched the video took issue with what they called Bianca's complaints about her daughter's eyes, as well as the parents' comments about her skin color.

53:08 Yeah. So Bianca, she's giving birth to the child. I mean, this is opera, not operating room, but delivery room footage. You should have seen the disdain on her face because the baby didn't have blue eyes. She said, I wanted her to have pretty eyes. She doesn't have pretty eyes. Now, imagine being born to a mother like that. I'm talking about straight out, straight out, pushed out. And the baby, you hand the baby to the mother, and she's like, this is one time I wish this show was video because it made me mad.

53:52 And I don't really get triggered by anything. Yeah, pretty, pretty much, but just your child. This is supposed to be the most joyous, you know, because you worry, birth defects, you know, those kind of things. You take that sigh relief. I went through it four times and it's like, like, everything's. okay. 10 fingers, 10 toes, you know, everything's okay. Exactly. Kids breathing, got a head, got a head. Yeah, we got a head. Yeah, it's good. It's good. And of course, you always, your child is always the most beautiful thing in the world. It was supposed to be all always. But her, you should, it was disgusting the look on her face. And the dad's kind of like, I know he's recording. I think he has that mental

54:37 mental awareness. Like, we're taping here. You know, I mean, do you understand how you? He's like, yeah, the baby has pretty eyes. I mean, even because this is basically a reality show on YouTube, even if it's done in the I've done reality shows. I had my own reality show. I know how they work. I mean, you know, people say all kinds of stuff that may not be what they exactly believe. Just like in real life, people make up crap all the time. Regardless, it's still incredibly weird for her to do that. And while the clip was playing, I did indeed look up Team Light Skinned, Team Dark Skin. It's quite a thing. Yes. It's quite and it's more leaning towards females. Yeah. Oh, you know, it's all I see 95% female.

55:21 Although Team Dark Skin seems to be a lot more male than female, or more male than on Team Light Skinned. Interestingly. Yes. So I have a second clip of the Prince family. If you would like to play that one. Oh, look at them. They look so cute, you guys. She's definitely going to be a dirker. Yeah, you can see her nails. Yep. Look at her ear. You see it? Her ear is dark. Some commenters say the princes seemed disappointed in their new baby's appearance and even went so far as to accuse them of colorism, which means to discriminate based on the color of skin.

56:02 A lot of people was judging us off a 30-second clip that was posted on these other platforms. Bianca and Damien posted a response video clarifying their comments. When I said, I wish you had pretty eyes, I didn't literally mean she doesn't have pretty eyes. You know what I'm saying? I didn't mean, oh my gosh, my daughter has ugly eyes. When I say pretty eyes, I meant the term of green eyes. You guys think, have you ever gotten a compliment about your eyes? No. If I was a colorist, I wouldn't even like black people at all. You have a choice, right? I have a choice. No. No. So it's like, I not once said my daughter was ugly. They went on to insist they are loving parents to all of their children.

56:43 Despite the controversy, the princes say they're not taking the video down, which for them will always be about one of the best days of their lives. Okay. So, as I said before, the husband in this situation or the father in this situation is dark brown skin. And she made the point. She said, if I didn't like dark skinned people, I wouldn't be husband. Yeah. But this is where we go. Black men don't struggle with colorism as the way females do. I would like to see if this child was male. I would assume it's just my assumption.

57:25 Her reaction would have been different because it's a little bit more acceptable, way more acceptable that black, dark males are attractive. I mean, like I go back to the statement: tall, dark, and handsome. Tar, dark, and handsome. Well, I think the fashion industry has a big role in this, not just fashion, but fashion media. What is considered beautiful? We're seeing it change before our very eyes, by the way. Curvier, bigger woman, bigger women are now considered beautiful. I'm not saying they're not, but we came a long way since the Twiggy days. If anyone, that's, I know it's a show on my age here. But just go back to the models on the runway in the 80s who had the heroin chic,

58:10 you know, completely falling down. I'm so skinny look. And if you go back in history, we have Rubens, Rubin-esque women, who are very similar to what is considered beautiful, fashionably beautiful today. So it's, I always feel bad for women in general, the way the culture treats them based upon how they look or how they can make themselves look. And that's the power advertisement working in a negative way as it doesn't, as it does frequently. But they paint the picture. But we see this, and I'm not going to go too far on this tangent, but we see this with men. Short men. Yeah. Tall, dark, and handsome. Short don't count. Yeah, that's right.

58:52 Right. So nobody wants a short son. Nobody. Or Kevin Hart, man. Kevin Hart got a real bum deal, didn't he? Yeah. He's short and really black. black. Oh, gosh. But it works for him. Of course, it does. Of course. What I'm saying is he turned that. He has a character that he plays called Chocolate Drop, which is weird. But yeah, I mean, so like I said, we don't struggle. Black men don't struggle with this as much as women do. And these things, as Matthew Knowles stated, as we've seen with the Prince family, they have real world implications where it has a real effect on

59:37 particularly women's psyche. So Yvonne Van Zant, that's she's on the Own Network and she was brought up by Oprah. She had this talk about colorism. Let's hear colorism dark. Talk about as a coffee girl what you've experienced personally in the world and from your lighter skinned sisters. I always felt some type of inferiority. I did. I didn't feel like I was good enough. I just didn't feel like I added up. And especially growing up in the South, you know, the boys would always like the light-skinned girl with the good hair.

1:00:18 And so I didn't feel like I had enough to get the cute guy. And until I believed that I was just that dope, because I just know I am now, it just festered in me for quite some time. And how did it come out? It came out of the lack of, I think, a lack of self-esteem, probably more so than not. Just feeling inadequate, really feeling inadequate. So you can see how it plays on people's psyches. Yeah, there was an additional data point in there, which I've heard. I think the first time I heard it was Arsenio Hall said, I like Oprah. Oprah has the good hair.

1:01:03 Yeah. And that's what I was speaking about before. Not only is it skin color, it's hair texture, whereas straight hair or wavy, wavy to straight hair. Well, anything not nappy is considered what they call nappy in that cell where you have the tightly curl hair is considered bad hair. I didn't really dive into that because I'm not, I don't want that kind of smoke. I mean, nah, I'm not going there because that the hair thing is a whole nother. That is the third rail of black life that you don't. Yeah, black men don't talk about the hair thing anywhere where a black woman could hear it.

1:01:47 Is that what I'm understanding from you, Mo? What I'm saying is you can't win. No. You can't. So I don't, I don't pick fights I can't win. But on the inverse, on the inverse of the dark perceived problems, light-skinned women have problems too. What's been your experience? I was always told, you know, you're the milkman's baby, or, you know, you can't be my friend, you know, because the guys are going to like you more than me. And so, you know, you can't be my friend. So I felt like an outcast and I would get in fights literally with brown-skinned girls that I never even knew their names.

1:02:32 And my dad had to teach me how to fight because I got picked on so much. Even one time when I was in the ninth grade, I had a girl come up and cut my hair all the way up to here. A chunk out of my hair. A brown-skinned girl. Wow, I said, you think you're cute because you got long hair? How do you feel now? So I cut it all off and I rock with it short. It was curly. And then it's, so you think you're cute because you got curly hair? You know, so it was constantly fighting. So, you know, I found another light-skinned girl to be my friend, and that's who my friend was. You know, when I saw, I saw an article the other day. I didn't send it to you.

1:03:16 This happened to a black girl in Northern Virginia, your neck of the woods, just recently. Yes, I saw on the local news. Yeah. That was, she had dreads. But I think that was more of a bullying case. Okay. More than self-inflicted. Well, I mean by self-inflicted by another black person. Okay. Gotcha. But what I want to say here is you can see the pitting of these two people against each other. Sure. It's a push and a pull. So you can't win. You can't, you know, because like it goes back to the house Negro, feel Negro. The other, looking on the other side, the grass is always greener.

1:04:01 Well, of course. Is there a commonly accepted celebrity who has the quote perfect skin tone as in like brown paper bag perfect? Who would I say has the safest? No, no, no, no, like the perfect. The most this, oh, this person is exactly the right amount, the right shade, the right tone. Is there anyone that both sides accept universally? Barack Obama. Oh, thank you. Beautiful. Okay. Gotcha. Because he wasn't seen as

1:04:42 light skin, but he wasn't seen as, you know, as dark skinned. I mean, he was actually, now I think about it, he's probably is the color of a brown paper bag. Which I wonder if that's knowing how calculating he is, I wonder if that's about playing. That's fantastic. Okay, well, then you answered the question. If I had to think, if I had to think, yeah. Because I'm going to be honest with you. In Hollywood, the lighter skin works for you. Oh, because, well, it works for you up to a period. When you're younger, it works for you because you get all the sex

1:05:27 symbol roles. But as you've seen, Halle Barrett disappeared. Yeah, but so did Wesley Snipes. Well, what I mean is you can't play the, you don't really get those motherly roles. Right, because she's too light skinned. She's very light skinned. So she's too light skinned. She can't really. She doesn't, she's not passable. Is that what we say then in that case? In an older role? What I'm saying is she doesn't have that. Well, when you want the motherly role, and I'm just going Hollywood casting hat on, you want the, you know, the mother role. You want the, you know, the darker skin. Look at any movie, the black mother is typically darker. It's already darker than the child. Wow. Okay. Yes. Gotcha.

1:06:11 So in the previous clips, we heard a term called passing. And you even mentioned that you heard this in the trans community. So passing is when you're probably at the 18th to 116th, maybe even 14th. As I said before, Megan Markle child is probably going to look pretty much white. And if you didn't know his mother, he could pass. You know, he could work his way into white society. So Oprah covered this on the pressures of passing.

1:06:52 And certainly the whole passing thing, that's a whole other, that's a whole nother subject. Passing thing. But you know, the thing about passing for those who did pass, and Lita was saying this for her family, once you pass, the decision to pass means you giving up your whole entire family, you know, that you can never go back. Because you all understand that, right? Because if you're passing, you just can't have your black mother show up. Wow. You just cannot explain four black women in your kitchen all of a sudden. That's old Oprah, because I can tell she has a very, it must have been a long time ago, that clip. Yeah, that was an older show. And the case in point of passing is Miss Megan Markle.

1:07:38 If you didn't know, and I covered this on a previous YouTube video, but if you didn't know her background, you wouldn't know she was part black. No, the Brits still haven't figured it out if they actually knew they'd be up in arms, Mo. Oh, well, well, now you're going to. I think that is proper gander. And it's pushed for the thesis statement of this show once I get there that she is one hair. One. All right, you took me here. One Harry is not a royal by blood.

1:08:18 So they don't really give rats ass what he does. Right. We know he was the stable boys kid. Right. He's the red-headed stepchild. Hello. Literally. Hello, it's obvious. Yeah. Yeah. So I think they said, what can we use him good for? Well, they can use him. He can't be on the, he can't be on the throne. What can we do with this mongrel? Exactly. We could use him for propaganda because you know, England is darkening by the minute. So they're using him to push that agenda. And if. if people want further detail, go to Shameless Plus, go to MoFax.mofax.com or Moe Facts YouTube.

1:09:01 Yeah, you did a YouTube video. Yeah, you did a YouTube video on that. Sure. Yeah. So, and to show that they played her black side up, that's why her father wasn't allowed to be at the wedding. That's like Oprah saying you can't have your really black mother show up. Yeah, you can't have the white guy walking the black princess down the aisle. That's bad for optics. Yeah. So I think she, and you know what? I watched the show suits that she was on. I was like, she was, she, she's racially ambiguous.

1:09:38 I was like, is she Latina? Is she, you know, I couldn't really put my finger on it. I knew she wasn't completely white, but I couldn't, you know, but then I was like, oh, okay. But in the show, they pushed the agenda. Her father was black in the show. So but I didn't know it, what she had going on with her. So Oprah continues on passing with Oprah too. Well, you know, I experienced this early when I, you know, I was shifted from one parent to the other. And I came to live in Milwaukee with my mother, who was rooming with a lady. And my mother has another daughter. So I have a half-sister who is light-skinned and younger than I.

1:10:20 And they were allowed to stay inside the house. And I was forced to sleep outside in the hallway because I was the brown-skinned person. And, you know, and my, you know, my mother did it just because otherwise we'd have no place to sleep. But the place was owned by a white, not white, but I thought she was white, Miss Miller, who also passed and just didn't want the brown-skinned child in her house. It's just really racism passed on to ourselves. That's what it really is. No. In a very strong way. Very nice. Oprah said it right there. And she laid it out perfectly. And Miss Miller had to, if you're going to play the role,

1:11:01 you're saying you got to play it all the way. Yeah. You can't have the black, you can't have the black kid sleeping in the house if you're going to pass for the white woman. So I have this interesting book. It's called Our Kind of People. It's written by Lawrence Otis Graham. And then one of the chapters in it is called Passing for White when the brown paper bag test isn't enough. So this book is about basically the black elite in America. It says inside America's Black Upper Class. And he gives you 17 ways to pass. All right. Are we going to do the list? Yeah.

1:11:49 I'll start off with five and you tell me if you want me to keep going. All right. I love these tests. So yeah, let's go. Okay. All right. Number one, passing will be, and we got to understand this is talking about an older, older times. But passing will be easier if you attempt it while away at college, preferably on a campus with which that is predominantly white and is located in a small rural town. So that's number one. And for the people out there who want to pass, you want to go to a white university in a small town. All right. All right. Right. Were you taking notes? Yeah, of course I'm taking an outline. Are you kidding me? Okay. All right. Number two, change your last name to one that is not associated with black family names.

1:12:33 Well, I got a problem there. Do you know? Do you know that when I when I don't use it anymore, but when I first started using Uber, I didn't have a profile picture in Austin, Texas. And my cars were canceled regularly, not all the time, but regularly. I'm like, what the hell is going on? Why did it cancel? And then I put my picture in, never had it happen again because Curry is a black name. And like Steph Curry. Yes. That's my brother from another mother. So names not to use. Curry. Yeah, Curry, Jones, Jackson, Johnson, William, Thomas, and Brown.

1:13:14 All right. Okay, number three, recreate your family tree by describing yourself as an only child, a born of parents who died years ago and who were also only children. Okay. All right. Number four, relocate to a new community that insulates you from interacting with blacks. And that is at least a few hundred miles away from your family's home. And number five, I'm going to stop at five. Number five is think, think some of, yeah, think of some manner in which to kill off, kill yourself. yourself, kill yourself off in the minds of black people who know and who know you and your family.

1:13:56 If your parents or siblings are willing to participate in assisting you, they can say that you are now living outside the country, that you have entered a cult or religious order, or even that you have died. Well, this is this is this is very sad advice, obviously. This is sad. So, so if that's for the people out there who would like to pass, and if you want to find the other 12, uh, go read our kind of people by Lawrence Otis Graham. But I do have some background, background eclipse just to give you a mental perspective of Mr. Otis, Mr. Lawrence Otis Graham, as he has the talk, but the talk goes wrong.

1:14:39 In certain ways, by making sure that we're wearing clothes that are not ones that suggest that we are part of the criminal element, as people would say, it's no hoodies, it's no dark clothes. My boys know that they've got to be khaki pants. We don't do sweatshirts with words and names on them. This is really casual for them. They don't do the t-shirt thing. And when it comes to jackets, raincoats, it's this is the only time you're going to see a hood in our house is on a raincoat or a winter jacket. It's no colored high tops. It's loafers. It's white tennis sneakers. It's not carrying anything in your hand after sundown that could be misconstrued as a weapon.

1:15:18 It's also making sure that when they go to stores, they get receipts, that they walk in, they make eye contact and nod and smile to the shop owner. They make sure that their bags are zipped and left in the car or outside the store. It's also making sure that they never run when in the presence of a police officer unless it's very apparent that they are dressed for jogging. They don't go out after sundown. My younger son said, You're taking the fun out of being a black kid, but it just knows it's necessary. And once again, it's not because we're trying to make them white. It's just the whole issue of we don't want them to be profiled. So that's a mental peek inside the mental

1:16:01 state of Mr. Lawrence Otis Graham. Wow. And he is boot, he is boole of all boole. He wrote the book on basically Inside America's Black Upper Class, I think is the book you're referring to. Yes, yes. And there's chapters in there, such as just a list of the chapters just to go down. The ordinance of the black upper class, Jack and Jill, that's which is where the elite black kids are separated from the rest. And you got chapter three, black child experience, the white coalition, camps, and private schools.

1:16:39 Sounds like a fun vacation read. Chapter four is interesting. Howard, Spellman, Moorhouse, three colleges that count. Okay, we heard about Howard. Yeah. Spellman. Okay, do you know who Spellman? It's a little trivia. Do you know who Spellman was named after? I do not. Rockefeller's wife. That was her. Of course. And Morehouse was named after a white man as well. And these are supposed to be black universities. Black universities, sure. But what we do is I'm saying this to say, yes, they are proud found institutes of higher learning, but we also have to look and see, you know, where they come from. Where the money came from.

1:17:21 Chapter five, the right fraternities and sororities. So previous knowledge of what we covered in the show, you see where this book is headed. Okay. So Mr. Lawrence said in his clip, they're not trying to make their children white. But now I know you, everybody's asking, well, where is Mo going with this? He started off with mixed. I mean, now he's went down colorism and, you know, the black elite and all this. Okay. Just to let you know, at one time, the black elite said, okay, we're one dropped in.

1:17:58 So we got to make the best of it. So what we'll do is, you know, create our own class, our own subculture based off of color, or as they stated in Matthew News Clip, if you are extremely wealthy, you could buy your way into the club. But when they sent their kids off to these Ivy League schools, once integration happened, the kids started to go to Ivy League schools. They start to meet people and dating interracially became more acceptable. The Boule made a pivot, and this is by Mr. Lawrence, Mr. Otis, Lawrence Otis Graham.

1:18:37 Talking about you've had a whole change of heart. What in the world has happened? Well, one thing that happened, Roland, is I started to realize that. that a lot of people make these personal decisions that we should not always hold them accountable to making political decisions when someone decides for a long time. I was opposed to the whole notion of black folks even dating outside or marrying outside of the black race because I said if you want to demonstrate your pride in our people, you have to give something back to the community. The problem with that is that that's not too far from really making the same argument that whites were making in the 1940s that were called bigots.

1:19:14 So the problem here, and certainly Pamela knows with coming from mixed parentage, that when someone takes the leap of faith to say, well, I'm going to marry outside my race, but yet at the same time, it's possible for me to hold on to my own identity. I can give back to my black people, to the black community. I made the decision to marry a black woman because at that time, I never even considered dating a white woman for political reasons. Whoa. Does that sound familiar? Barack Obama. Uh-huh. So people marry black for political reasons. I mean, that's not anything new to most of our listeners, but that is a, I left that in there as a conscious decision.

1:19:57 But you can hear him say, at one time, he said that he believed black people should marry black people. And as a side note, I will say this: I believe that. I believe, for one, you can marry who you want to, because I don't care. I mean, that's what I don't care what people do in their love lives or their sexual lives. That's none of my business. But if you understand, and this is where this clip is going, and this whole show is going, we're only 13% of the population.

1:20:35 If we don't make a conscious effort to maintain our race, I think it won't exist anymore. That's a real concern of mine. And this is where I thought you were probably taking this, and I think it's going to turn out to be right: is what is happening, intentional or not, but I think you're showing us there is intent, is to effectively remove the black race. And here's the thing: I think that they're going to remove all, I think they're trying to remove all races. Yes, black and white. I totally agree. Let everybody be brown. Yeah, sure. But as I've stated on this show many a time before, all problems, the problems that hit everybody hit us first and hit us hardest.

1:21:21 But you know what's crazy, Mo? Yes. So you just said something which doesn't shock me because I know you as Mo and I have the same, I think we have very similar values. You say, I think that black people should marry black people. If I said I think white people should marry white people, the fucking sirens would be going off outside the house. Not with me. No, but it's for the reasoning. Now let me explain to you why. I'm a vain person. I like my genetics. I want to pass those genetics down to my grandkids. Which is very so. It's your prerogative. Hell yeah. Right. It's not out of all, you know,

1:22:07 and look at whatever. You diluted my stock. No, no, no, no. But it's the same as royal families all around Europe. They marry other royals, you know, to this was the problem with Lady Diana. She was a commoner. You know, she wasn't a blue blood like Horseface, Camilla. Sorry. I know. That was rude, but I can't help myself. You know, this is not an uncommon thing for family. India has this, of course. Pakistan, very oriented towards continuing a bloodline or having the right families congregate together. So it's actually, it's not an abnormal thing at all.

1:22:52 And like I said, do I want my kids to procreate with intelligent people? Yes. Do I want my kids to, you know, preferably, let's just be vain here. Taller people? Yes. Okay, but one other thing, just what I'm talking about, because I love the parallels. I'm just giving you my perspective. In the United States, for sure, if you say, I'm a white man or I'm a straight man or whatever, I don't date trans women, you're automatically a transphobe. I think I caught something here, didn't I? Yes. All right, I'll back up. Continue.

1:23:32 Okay. Okay. So now we're moving forward and we see that the Boulev made a pivot to be accepting because the Boulet. Boule basically outlined where black people are headed. And they were, you know, pro-blacks dating within the race. And as you can see, in their inner community, dating lighter, marrying lighter, you know, to make your race become lighter. So we have Professor Kevin Brown. He speaks on the impact of mixed race. And we're seeing substantial increases too in black multiracials. That is, blacks with

1:24:14 a non-black parent, black, white parentage, black, Asian parentage. Those percentages are set to increase by 80% between 2010 and 2020. We're now seeing substantial interracial marriage among the black/slash African American population in the United States. So you can see here in 1970, of all blacks who were married, only 1.1% were married outside of the race. That increases to 2.4% in 1980, 4.1% in 1990, 7% in 2000.

1:24:53 In 2010, it increases to 9%. But let me add, this is of all blacks who are married. So younger people, the ones in the prime childbearing ages, are even much more likely to marry across the race. In 2012, for example, one in four black males that married, 25%, married outside of the race. For black women, it was about 9.3%. And we continue to see that black males are two to three times more likely to marry outside of the race.

1:25:33 If these current trends continue, within a generation or two, a majority of the black population in the United States will actually be mixed race. And because they're mixed race, they will more and more assert an identity that's different from that of African Americans. So, with his math, we're basically doubling interracial, the interracial population or interracial marriage, like basically double every decade, roughly, or what he said. Yeah, it won't take very long, is what he's saying. Yeah. And that's scary from my perspective.

1:26:21 On my desk, I have pictures of my grandparents. I'm very proud of my lineage that we survive. And it's a real possibility that my culture, it's not about skin color. And that's why I laid out about colorism. It's not about skin color. It's about culture. It's going to be erased. And that's why I have a real problem with this show: of a sub-segment of our culture is pulling away.

1:27:03 And when you say culture, what exactly do you mean by that in this context? So, first of all, black is not a race. I mean, because it's not. Ados is what I'm talking about, my culture. The black American experience, all the encompasses. I feel like they're trying to go away from that. And I don't want, I don't want that. I'm being serious as a heart attack right now. I don't want to see that happen. We've seen this with Native Americans. And it's a real fear of mine.

1:27:45 I look at Native Americans and they're like, you basically, it happened to them. But, okay, so do you the question is because this is coming from inside black families themselves. Now, of course, there's tons of influence from the outside making this happen, but it's something that's historically, as we can see, because of external factors, is happening internally. You know, so the grandmother says, don't marry a family. Go ahead. It's a family thing. You might fight with your sister or your brother, right? But if somebody messed with them, you the Curries.

1:28:28 Right. Yes, of course. That's what I'm saying. I got you. I got you. No, I didn't. I understand that. I just want to delve into it. Yeah, I want to. Yeah, you made me illustrate it. I want to illustrate straight that clearly. Yes, we may fight within ourselves, but before if anybody messed with us, we were all together. No matter your shade, no matter, you know, no matter what. Right. But it seems like they're trying to found a good way to divide us, and they're plucking at every string. And they is the bule, i.e., the black elite.

1:29:12 Yes. Okay. Let's just make sure that. And that's why I said they, that's why I said they did a pivot. Yeah. They were all for blacks marrying. And you heard the man said it himself. He was for blacks marrying. Blacks as the best thing you could do for a community. But then they do a pivot and say, you know what? Remember that passing thing? What happens here is the passing bar has been lowered. Yes. That's why I want to illustrate. And now it's not whiteness. The bar now is not whiteness anymore. It's non-blackness. If we can skirt into non-blackness, then we pass.

1:29:48 And from my perspective, Mo, I am literally the most hated type of person in the United States right now, which is an old, straight, white male. I too am being told, move over a little more toward, get a little browner, son. You're being nudged. We're both being nudged. I'm being nudged. Absolutely. We're both being nudged. Let's get into Professor Kevin Brown, too. With respect to black multiracials, the research on the racial identity of multiracials tends to show that black multiracials have a very different racial identity from African Americans.

1:30:31 They generally tend to fall into one of three kinds. One, they either assert that they're multiracial. Second, that they'll assert that they're black. Or third is that they will assert that they're just simply beyond race. They're non-racial. They don't think about race. They don't consider race. Indeed, a few will even take the white ancestry or Asian ancestry. And also, within the United States, the black family has fragmented since the 1960s. We're at a point now where almost 70% of our children are raised in single-parent homes.

1:31:16 So when you put together that black males are more likely to have interracial relationships with white females, and with the black, the breakdown of the black home, it means many black multiracials are actually being raised by single white females. And they therefore are having a very different racial identity than the traditional African American. So all of this seems to suggest that we are really watching some fundamental shifts in the traditional struggle of the African American in the United States. And in some real way, we are watching substantial interracial marriages.

1:32:01 And the trend of those continues to accelerate as the younger people get older and older. If I may, and if this is not an appropriate spot to do it, let me know. In this whole deconstruction, which you're laying out before us quite expertly, does, and if so, where does Michael Jackson fit into this topic? Michael Jackson, he was born a dark-skinned man, darker than a brown paper. Let's use the brown paper bag as the darker light divide. But the pressures of fitting in to that

1:32:43 is kind of like, I think Michael Jackson suffered for something. Barring the skin, the vitiligo. Vitiligo, barring that. I know black men with vitiligo, and it's they peel off and it's white. I know white people with vitiligo, and it's the same thing. Barring that, you can't still ignore the facial changes. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think that was a form of like kind of like how what it called, anorexia and bulimia. When you look in the mirror, he had an idea of, and that idea was based off of white beauty.

1:33:25 Yeah. And he was trying to get there. That's why I honestly believe about Michael Jackson. Yeah. Yeah. It was the nose, I think, is really what both. I mean, I worked with him a couple times. And, you know, I can't speak on behalf of all white people, but I know we're like, man, we liked your nose. You had a nice nose. What are you trying to do here? You're ruining it. And now that you brought that up, and I don't want to harp on this too long, even the way we're accepting of his quote-unquote children. Right. Bro. Yeah. Bro. Yeah, bro. Are we not so accepting of his children?

1:34:06 Black people are. Yeah. But, bro, they, in my humble opinion, I don't think those are genetically Michael Jackson's children. Oh, that's possible. It wouldn't surprise me. When I look at his genetics of him as a child, I don't see that happening. But we're accepting. Just to illustrate how accepting we are. Nobody's ever questioned that. Nobody has ever publicly questioned that. That's right. Yeah. I have never heard anyone question it, actually. Except for here on the break down all those holy walls. Right. So one last assortion, but let's get Kevin Brown three.

1:34:50 Well, the impact, I think, the impact, I think we're already seeing it. So there's less talk about race in the United States and more talk about race neutrality individualism. Because, of course, as your black multiracials grow up, they're less and less invested in it. Yeah, that's what you're talking about. That's how you lose it. Well, there's that, that thing cuts both ways. Either they go, well, I'm not black anymore. I'm multi-racial, you know, that kind of thing. Or they go hyper-black. Now we're going to go back a couple of shows to Mr.

1:35:34 Sean King. This degree of even like light-skinned privilege and accessibility. Like, because I look how I look, that makes me more relatable to white people in white spaces. So, what I have to do, if I have some level of relatability that I didn't choose, I was born with it, I have to use it. I have to squeeze it. I have to maximize it. So, that's what you see with like mega-woke light-skinned people. I just said that. They all go hard, man. Yeah, I said that. But then, then the flip of that is, I mean, I had Colin Kaepernick and I have talked about this at great length.

1:36:16 Because we grew up in the families we grew up in, we also grew up in close, intimate proximity to white people and white problems. And so, we saw it and we understand it in a way. And so, we're trying our best to use it. So, as Mr. Kevin Brown says, one way you can go is to say, go away from blackness, but you have a lot of biracial people that turn into the blackness very heavily. As he said, the super mega woke, that's his word, super mega woke. Yeah, he did. Yeah. Here's my theory on that.

1:37:00 I think they try to play that game of, well, I'm not really black, but they get into those spaces and then they're treated as they're black because the people that they're dealing with still operate off the one-drop rule. Right. And what you get is this: you get your Colin Kaepernicks, you get your Angela Rise, you know what I'm saying? You get your Sean Kings, where not necessarily all Ados, by the way. Right. But I tried to go racially ambiguous, biracial, but it didn't work. And they get offended. And then that's why they say, we need safe spaces. We need, bro, we've been, we've been live this.

1:37:44 Yes, yes, yes, yes. Yep. I'm not. When I walk into this situation, that's why I said, and that, and here's where the trans thing is a great analogy. I have no closet that I can live in. When you're trans and you're really good at it, you do have a people don't really know and they won't question you about it, you know, but we have much more figure it out. You have more control over your appearance in that situation versus skin of color. But when you're out it or when you're out it as as

1:38:26 Mr. Kevin Brown says, you're raised by a white parent, you can pretty much pass. But then when you're outed, how does your peers accept you? Right. Do they look at you differently? Because you're saying you wanted to be accepted as not. And I don't think these, I don't think they want to be accepted as white. I think they want to get what they say past race. And we heard that conversation. We're post-racial, we're in a pro-racial society. Yes. Okay. Right. And that's what with 2008, they were pushing hard, but you noticed by 2012, 2016, the other shoe dropped. Yeah. You're like, nah, uh-uh. Yeah. Where, how does that happen? I don't know.

1:39:09 I can't speak to that perspective because I've never had that luxury of being racially ambiguous. But, all right, so now we're here. Hold on, Mo. Listen to your words. You said you haven't had the luxury of being racially ambiguous. You consider that a luxury? I do. I look at a reason why I say that is in the same way as a trans person would be accepted as whatever gender they wanted to be. Got it. Not as you're saying, not as either way. What I'm saying is not being recognized by my race first.

1:39:50 Got it. Not that I don't want to be my race. I want to clear that up. It's the fact that when you walk into a room, as this whole show you've seen, certain either way, either way, it falls, certain assumptions are going to be made about you. Oh, of course. Of course. So I've never had that even enter my community. Got it. Because I'm of a darker hue. So I, you know, when you're like in the middle, you know, you, you, like, like, you asked a great question: what Barack Obama, he falls in the middle.

1:40:32 So he never had to. I don't think he ever had the light skin or the dark skin thing happen to him. But as we've discussed, as we've discussed before, and it fit perfectly in this episode as well, he had huge credibility with Michelle. Yes. Well, I'm not even talking on the biracial thing. I'm talking about just on color alone. Right. His complexion. Right, right, right. What's perfect? It's perfect. So it's like he never was perceived as a light-skinned person, a light-skinned black or dark. I never, that's a weird thing. You made me think today. I've never heard him referred to as either. Right. That's that's interesting. Yeah. Well, he's, I think he's like he came out of central casting. The perfect team honey roasted. Is that a hashtag I should be aware of?

1:41:16 I don't know when it started. So, yeah. So people may ask, what is the origin of all this? And you've hinted at it as you do in your future. And we're going to get something to fix that because you can't write. You know exactly where I'm heading. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. This is this is one of my favorites. I love this. It's a plan, I believe, to destroy races of people. And if you're talking about what's going on in Europe, I think it is.

1:41:55 I think it's not only Europe. I think that's just one of the plans, one of the tentacles of the plan. But I think there's a thing called the Calarigy Plan. Yes, sir. Very familiar. I have a clip on it before, but before we play the clip, I would like to get your perspective on this. The Calergy Plan. Well, we've discussed this quite a bit on the No Agenda Show in the in relation to immigration issues happening in Europe. Now, I lived in the Netherlands. I lived in Belgium. I lived in the United Kingdom. And there was a,

1:42:36 I think he was Austrian. He was of Asian descent. I know one of his parts of Asian. Austrian Japanese. I think that's exactly. Yes, Count of Kudenhova Kalergi. And his entire push was to create, well, his first book was Pan Europa, which is early 1925 or something. I don't know, before the Great Depression. But he foresaw a future where Europe became brown.

1:43:16 Just everyone integrated and we had one big. big mass of people, kind of the same color, all over Europe. And this is taken so seriously that there is still a prize given, I think, every year, maybe every two years, to people in Europe. And I don't know if it's called the Kalergi Award, but it's for this type of integration. And I know Angela Merkel, who really helped Germany open up their borders to not really good results by the Germans' own admission, which has happened all over Europe. And she was one of the most recent recipients of the Kalergi Award.

1:43:57 And I've looked at this, and whenever you hear, well, for instance, I first came in touch with it in a horrible way. Anders Breivik, he's the guy who killed 80 kids on the island in, I want to say, Norway or Denmark. Can't remember off the top of my head. I remember that case. I remember that case. And he wrote, they called it a manifesto, but it wasn't. It was a compendium. And it was a very large document and a whole bunch of stuff jammed together. And one of the problems he had was this Kalergi plan. He said, I don't want my heritage, my race, to be diluted the way the European project has planned it.

1:44:43 And that was at least some of the impetus for the actions he took. Later referenced by the Christchurch shooter. He also referenced that. So this is something that it's, I don't think many people in the United States know about it, but in Europe, it is definitely something being discussed as there's huge immigration issues and opinions all over Europe. So that I think is a short version of what the Calergy Plan is. So before I let's play the clip and I'll discuss it post the clip. So this is an excerpt from Kalergi's book, Practical Idealism.

1:45:22 In 1925, Richard published another book entitled Practicer Idealismus, or Practical Idealism. An excerpt from Practical Idealism. Quote, the man of the future will be of mixed race. The races and classes of today will gradually disappear due to the elimination of space, time, and prejudice. The Eurasian Negroid is the race of the future. Similar in appearance to the ancient Egyptians, they will replace the diversities of the people and the diversity of the individuals. Instead of destroying European Judaism, Europe, against her will, refined and educated, this people will be driving them to their future status as a leading nation through this artificial evolutionary process.

1:46:12 Insofar as Europe is Christian, it is in a spiritual sense Jewish. Insofar as Europe is moral, it is Jewish. Almost all European ethics are rooted in Jewry. All protagonists for religious or non-religious Christian morality, from Augustine to Rousseau to Kant to Tolstoy, were Jews, of choice in a spiritual sense. Nietzsche is the only non-Jew, the only European heathen moralist. In the East, the Chinese people are ethnically part excellence. In the West, it is the Jews. Strength of character, paired with a sharpness of mind, predestines the Jews and their most excellent specimen to become the leaders of urbane humanity.

1:46:53 From the false to the genuine spiritual aristocrats to the protagonist of capitalism, as well as of the revolution. Now we stand at the threshold of the third epoch of the new times, socialism. Also, socialism is supported by the urban class of industrial workers, led by the aristocracy of revolutionary writers. This development, and with it, the chaos of modern politics, will only then find its end when a spiritual aristocracy seizes the means of power of society. Richard Kalergi, 1925. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I almost, I had the wrong book, but the right year. Yeah. So how do I get to this point? And this is one of the things I was a listener of your show,

1:47:39 but when you brought this up, you hooked me because I knew about this prior to hearing it on your show. The reason why I found this out is I watch commercials more than I watch television, as you can tell. I turn commercials up when they come home. Because I'm not really into television. If I watch television, it's more of, I watch Netflix, what show I want to watch, and then, you know, my life. But as I'm watching majorly sports or that thing, that's because sports is one of my things. I started noticing maybe when I say. four or five years ago the push of

1:48:19 racially mixed couples on television. Now, I preference everything I'm about to say is you can date, you can love who you want to. Doesn't matter to me. I don't care. My problem is social engineering. When I watch these commercials, I'm like, okay, that's one, two, three. And then I asked my wife, did you notice that? She's like, what are you talking about? But this is my wife. Because I noticed everything. She's like, oh, you're looking too far into that. You know, most of the stuff I talk to her about, she's like, this show is going to ruin everything for you, Mo. It's going to ruin your relationship.

1:48:59 No, this is me. This is no, it's going to save my relationship. Because this is me talking to her. This show, you're just replacing her pretty, pretty much. So you're a godsend to her. Right. I said, did you see that? Did you see what? What are you talking about? You know what? She said, you've been hanging out with that white boy too much. That's what's going on with you, Mo. No, no, no, no, no. I had these, these, these, these, this was pre-no agenda for me. Oh, okay. So I'm like watching the show. I'm like, another mixed couple. Yeah. I'm like, I don't, what is going on here? Because most of the time, it's when you're selling something, it's like, you know, it was a couple.

1:49:42 It's of same, I'm from that era. It usually is the same race. But everything became mixed race. And I'm like, what are they pushing here? I mean, this, my brain would go off. I mean, I'm one of the guys, just for matter of record. I'm one of the guys that listened to the side effects on pharmaceutical commercials. That's another thing I point out. Like, did you hear that? Sure. Listen how long that is. And what she came back to me was like, I stopped saying it. And then she started noticing. She's like, you're right. And if she says that, I had to be right. Hey, just so what was your feeling? Although this, you probably weren't married then, about the Cosby family.

1:50:26 Because there was very, they're all brown. But some of the, I mean, obviously it's casting, and we know, but was there ever any thought about that? Oh, well, you know, it was racy. It was colorly balanced, if that's the word, colorly balanced. Okay, gotcha. The reason why I say that is the two oldest children were a fairer skin. And then you have Vanessa, which is the third daughter. She's a dark. Now, Theo, he's the boy. The oldest boy. Yeah, Theo's dark. Yeah, the next two children are dark skinned. And then the tie goes to the dark skin because Rudy was darker than the brown paper bag. So it was balanced.

1:51:06 It was balanced. It was balanced. It was balanced. It was very balanced. So, yeah. But that was cautious. They were consciously aware of that. Because even his wife is lighter than him. Yes. Well, was that mama first or mama second? Because they switched. They pulled that. Oh, you're talking about Fresh Prince. Oh, I'm sorry. You're right. That was Fresh Prince. Oh, that must have been crazy. That caused a bunt. And even to today, people like, I don't, there's only one Viv. Exactly. So it can't be. See, yeah. I mean, yeah.

1:51:42 So even that, it was like, what, what? So no. But that was, that was weird. So, but yeah, just going back, that that's what started me on this quest of what is going on. What are they telling me? What are they pushing to me? As a fun fact, just to show you the seriousness, because you know, when we're saying name like Calergy and 1923, people like, okay, whatever. But in 1955, he proposed Beethoven's Ode to Joy as the music for the European anthem.

1:52:19 And this is before the European Union was official. This happened, you know, European Union is the last 18 years, and now it's an official union of 28 member states. The national anthem of Europe is Beethoven's Ode to Joy. So the guy was taken very seriously, and his fingerprints are all over everything in the European Union project. And I would like to juxtapose him to Mr. Alan Leroy Locke, the father of the Harlem Renaissance, and how he, his thought process is like the gospel now and the LG Black LGBT community on the previous show.

1:52:58 These guys, when they were writing their books and pushing their agendas early, they were just too early for people to really catch on. But, you know, it laid the ground, it laid the groundwork for the things that. are being done today. But I say all that to say I don't want to be a race. I say that with all seriousness, but I think it is a real possibility. Well, it certainly seems like it's the push. I'm not entirely sure what the benefit is to the bullet, the elites, or even the Illuminati, other than more control. I don't know. Maybe if we're all brown, then

1:53:42 it's not about color. Let's get that straight. It's about removing culture. And here's the end game and how I see it. You remove culture. Once you remove their culture, because here's the problem. And I'm not a mixed person, but I've known a lot of mixed people and I've had conversation with them. And as we see, even with black people, it's hard to fit in where you're different and be totally accepted. So I'm sure, and I would love to hear from people to write in on this, but I'm sure it's hard for them to fit in anywhere.

1:54:19 So when you remove them from their, you know, remove culture from all of society, you can implant the culture of corporatism. You're absolutely right. And I'm, well, I'm a little bit older than you, so I'm 55, but I've come to realize that it is exactly the differences, or some may call them imperfections, not just in skin color, but background, culture, history, all of that, that makes it beautiful. Yes, that's my whole point. I don't want what we provide to this human experience, I don't want that to be taken away. Right on. And neither do I. That's my whole point. Yeah. From all

1:55:02 me and you have in this conversation, it works because we come from two different perspectives and we can find commonalities in it. But then we also can share the differences. Exactly. And in the future, this kind of show may not exist if we let them have their way with us. Because there'll be no differences to talk about. We'll all just be the same drones. And that's my fear. Well, Mo, I'll help you fight against that because I don't like it either. That's my fear too. Absolutely. But standing next to you, I can say that. You see, it's very, very dangerous for white men to say these kinds of things these days. And that's just as dangerous for me to say it.

1:55:47 I will say that because we're expected. I know we got to rap, but it's an expectation for you not to be expecting from society. It's even more pressure for me to be accepting because they'll be like, oh, it's the same thing as being this, or the same thing as being black, or this is the same thing as being black. You know what I'm saying? It's like everything, we have to be accepting of everything. So that's why I said we're coming from the same parallel on two different, you know what I'm saying? You know, from two different directions. Well, ultimately, we're just two American dudes chatting it up a bit and coming with all our differences.

1:56:31 And that's what I love so much about it. And, you know, for someone who didn't graduate college, I love learning on a Monday. I really do. I really do. All right. This will have to wrap it up. We've gone a little long, but man, well worth it. And I just love what you put together for us today, Moe. It's fantastic. I'm glad you appreciate it. And as I always say, pay attention to everything and the truth will reveal itself. And we look forward to your feedback. If you would like to support the show, go to MoFax.com. Donations are, of course, welcome. It's a value for value system. No ads, no corporate money, just whatever you thought the show was of value to you. We'll see you next week, everybody. Take care. We people

1:57:15 who are darker than blue. Are we gonna stand around this town and let what others say come true? We're just good for nothing. They all won't figure a boyish grown up, shiftless chick. Now we can't hardly stand for that. Or is that really worth it? For the sorcerer and love. But there's the joker in the street loving one brother and killing the other.

1:57:59 When the time comes and we are really free, there'll be no brothers left. left, you see. We people who are darker than blue, don't let us hang around this town and let whatever say come true. We're just good for nothing, they don't feel you. A boy is grown up, shipless jigger. Now we can't hardly stand for that, or is that really where it's at?

1:58:42 Pardon me, brother, while you stand in your glory. I know you won't mind if I tell the whole story. Pardon me, brother. I know we've come a long, long way, but let us not be so satisfied. For tomorrow can be an even brighter day.