04: Facts and Fallacies

00:11 Mo Facts with Adam Curry for August 19th, 2019, episode number four. Hey, Mo. How you doing, Adam? I am doing good, and I am loving the tracks you sent over for the show today. Yeah, because that's a... What's an oldie but goodie? That's Headed for Self-Destruction. I think it came out in 1986. It was very impactful on me as a child. And it kind of stuck with me. Isn't this one of those tracks that is sampled on everybody's record? Yes, it's probably one of James Brown's loops. I mean, because he's like the backbone of hip-hop. That's right. That's right. Okay. A couple of administrative things.

00:57 We're in the iTunes podcast directory, finally. We made it in. Yes. Which is good news because now you can just tell your buddies, hey, you should listen to Mo Facts, and then they can just search it in their podcast app. And what's cool about the Apple podcast directory is that all these other apps, because it's very difficult to maintain a directory of apps, although of podcasts, that is, I would know how to do it. It's on my list one of these days. So all these other apps, they tie into it and they use their API. So they now also are automatically searchable. So like Overcast, a very popular podcast app. So we're really tied into the mothership. And I got to tell you, I pulled the podfather card. That was very cool.

01:43 That's a nice card to have, sir. Yeah, it kept getting rejected. Like, oh, thank you for submitting your podcast. Looks like you're testing something. It's like, yeah, I know. Put us on. And then I had the email and say, hey, man, can you point me in the right direction? I'm the podfather. Sure. You've heard of me. And they're like, oh, we fixed it for you. No problem. Quick thing about the last episode, we talked about opportunity zones. I got a lot of feedback from people on that. A lot of opportunity zone fund managers, actually. How about you? Yeah, I got some great emails just giving us background and boots on the ground information about what's going on. So I'm loving the feedback.

02:27 I love when people contact me. And if you want to contact me, you can go to mofax.com. That's M-O-E-F-A-C-T-Z.com. And you can go to the contact page and just send me an email or anything you guys find interesting. The feedback I got was from the fund managers, of course, were saying, well, if you look at the numbers, it really doesn't have a big gentrifying effect. That's what, now, of course, they're fund managers. Interesting side note to that is they said there's a lot of states and cities mainly run by Democrats who went who poo-pooed the

03:07 opportunity zone tax breaks and they were too late. And so they've actually, they've hurt their communities, according to the fund managers, by not taking advantage of it. Go ahead. Right. So, I mean, that was one of the things we point out in the show that only 11% of the opportunity zones, if my number is correct, fall into low-income areas, which I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing because we know the effects of gentrification. So, I mean, I don't know how to basically interpret that number. If that's going to be a good thing that, you know, you don't have like 50, 60% of these opportunity zones in poverty-stricken areas.

03:51 And I want to make people clear, make things clear. I'm not anti-capitalist. What I am is anti-hypocrisy. So that was the point of the last show was to say you can't say you're anti-gentrification and be pro-opportunity zone. And that was the really thing I want to illustrate with these talking, with these think tanks where they were pushing. They were anti-Trump, but pro his opportunity zones. And I think that was being disingenuous. And I think the message came through because once we got the, and it's been a week since we did this, once we got the message about Jay-Z and the NFL partnership with Rock Nation, I mean, my wife came up to me, Tina the Keeper.

04:33 She's like, wait a minute. What is this Jay-Z doing? You know, it's like her eyes had been open. Like, this is happening everywhere. I say, yep. And that's what we learned. Right. And not to get in that too deeply, but that was another case of hypocrisy. It's not a great move for him to affiliate with the NFL as a businessman because I think they'll open many doors for himself. himself, but to wrap yourself in wokeness, you know, and pro-black agendas and then do a deal with the NFL is the hypocrisy. Exactly. And these are the things we want to point out with the show. And even on today's show, I'm going to point that out.

05:18 But we're going to start looking at conservative think tanks. Yes. So we're still in think tanks and we're looking at the conservative think tanks. Okay, good. Correct. So to bring balance, and I think that's what we want to do with this podcast is to bring balance and look at nuance and not just be pro one side or anti-the other side. So just to kind of go into where we want to head, I found this in found this video on Prague University or Prager U. And just a little background on them. This is per wiki, well, per wiki.

05:55 It says, Prager U, short for Prager University, is an American nonprofit organization that creates videos on various political topics, political, economic, and physiological topics from a conservative, right-wing perspective. So I think this is where Candace Owens. Yes, this is the home of Candace Owens videos. It's run by, or it's owned by, what's his name? His name is Prager, isn't it? The guy who owns it. He's had a lot of problems with YouTube and demonetization stuff, but it seems very educational.

06:33 Yes, Dennis Prager, I think is his name. Dennis Prager, exactly. Right. So what we want to do, I found this video and the name, the title of the video was the top five issues facing black Americans. And this is from a right-wing conservative tilt. So what I want to do is go through those top five issues and see if they're valid or if they're politically driven and counterbalance it with some maybe some liberal left-wing talking points and then find that middle ground halfway that's in between where the truth lies.

07:14 All right. So number five. What are the five biggest issues facing blacks in America? Here's my list. Problem number five, the victim mentality. Nothing holds someone back more than seeing himself as a victim. Why? Because a victim is not responsible for his situation. Everything is someone else's fault. And the victim sees little chance of improving his life. How can he get ahead if someone is holding him back? All this makes the victim unhappy, frustrated, and angry. This is how too many blacks see themselves as victims. So much so that their victim status becomes their primary identity and their ruling ideology.

07:56 I call it victimology. Unfortunately, many black churches preach this victimology. Many black parents pass it on to their children. Inner city schools teach it to their students and the black media reinforce it. Meanwhile, the NAACP and other black grievance groups fundraise on it. Before you deconstruct this mode, who was this speaking? Okay, this is Talib Starks, Talib Starks, excuse me. And he's the author of Amazon's number one bestseller, Black Lies Matter. So this is, like I said, this is clearly a

08:34 right-wing tilted video. So, and like I said, this is, I consider them a think tank that comes up with the black conservative right wing talking points. So he brought up number five being victimology or the victim mentality. Where I stand on that is, I think that is a problem when you say that you are a victim. But just to push back against that, the of saying that it's unjustified, I think that's where we have an issue at. So let's listen to Larry Elders, which is another right-wing

09:17 pundit talk on victimology. So there's where you would say that this is purely because of social justice. Purely because they want ultimately for people to be angry enough to just keep voting Democrats. That's right. And where's the evidence of a lack of social justice? When a black suspect is killed by a cop, believe me, the media is on it. People are watching it. And justice will, for the most part, occur. So to a point, he's correct, but we have seen cases where black men are killed by the police. police unjustly and seen the police officers get off.

10:00 But let's continue to listen to Larry Elders in part two. And it turns out cops were more reluctant, more hesitant to pull the trigger against a black suspect than a white suspect, probably because of the fear of being accused of racially profiling and the fear that the civil rights establishment was going to come down on him. So, if anything, whites are more likely to be shot by a cop under certain circumstances than a black person. Oh, he's just doing statistics. Right. He's doing statistics. But the problem is, when you say something like that, that police are more likely to shoot a white guy than a black guy. I don't know. One, I don't know how you quantify that or how you measure that.

10:42 And two, if you're here's the problem: you have two factions, the left-wing and the right-wing, that are trying to communicate to black people what their pros are of their ideology. Right. And when you come to the point and say that white people are more likely to get shot than black people, I think that's hard to prove. And it kind of negatively affects what you're set out to do. Well, now, I mean, there's so many qualifiers that you would have to take into account, you know, under what circumstances, what state, what crimes.

11:25 I mean, there's a you know, day, night, there's a lot of different elements there, right? And that's the problem. That's the problem with that talking point. And it's very harmful to his argument because the first part of the first clip, he made some very valid points, but you can't ignore it. And what I'm doing is I'm pushing back against right-wing talking points to show them how they're ineffective at reaching the average everyday black person. And if this is, and if I may say, the idea of victimology, that is a conservative talking point applied to social justice warriors in exactly the same way. That's exactly right. And we do see

12:14 the left pushing people to want to be victims of everything. You know, they always talk about the oppressor and we've even seen this weird thing where white males will tell another white male that the famous clique, you're a freaking white male. So it's like, what, what they've even convinced, this, their propaganda is so good that it's even convinced white males that they're victims. Yeah, well, that's the basis of identity politics. Everybody's a victim. Now vote for us and we'll take care of you. Right. But what I want to point out to the conservative slash right wing, which they do have some great points, they make some excellent points.

12:58 Candace Owens makes excellent points. Even Larry Elders makes some excellent points. But when you put certain talking points in with your facts, it automatically is like a gag reflex that black people, I hate using that term, but black people don't want to hear it. It's like, no, dude, what are you talking about? We've seen his name slips my mind. Sterling. Rod Sterling. No, not Roger Sterling. The guy in New York that got choked out on the sidewall. I can't breathe. Yes. And it's like Michael Brown. No, Michael Brown was shot in First. Shit, you're right. It was Alton Sterling.

13:41 Yes, you guys. We saw him on tape get choked out. Oh, yeah, but that's that's like it's almost like Jeffrey Epstein, Moe. It's like we know that that's what the story doesn't check out. And in this case, we know the story doesn't check out. Sad thing is, we actually saw it with our own eyes. Right. And that's what I'm trying to do is lay out that if you want to be successful at getting the black vote or entertain the black vote or even getting black people to listen to your talking points, you have to be genuine.

14:17 And when you say a white person is more likely to get shot than a black person, and what you have to understand is how that is received, not how it's said. All right. How that is received is if a white guy on Wall Street in a business suit is doing a crime, he's more likely to get shot than a black person. That's how it's received. And it's like, and your BS detector goes off. Okay. With that said, with that said, we all know that the left. left pushes victimology as almost as a religion. And let's listen to stay woke. We're not going to be able to successfully combat the oppressor if we're not united.

15:01 And I think that it goes beyond our blackness. We need to be pulling together with other marginalized communities, period. But one of the things that I've really been pushing with my friend and brother Charlemagne is banking black. You know, where is your black bank account? Buying black, which means supporting our businesses, you know, by the essence. Don't just look at it online, giving black. Whether we're talking about HBCUs, our colleges, whether we're talking about our organizations like Campaign Zero or Justice League that are doing so many great things, how are we supporting them? And how do we expect them to support us if we're not giving back to them regularly with our time, talent, and our treasure?

15:38 Okay, so this was Angela Rye. She was speaking on Stay Woke is the biggest issue, excuse me, Stay Woke, the biggest issues facing Black Americas. And it was on the Essence channel on YouTube. And some of the things she said is oppressor. These are key words that the left use. And like I said, I don't want to be seen as oppressed. I don't want to be seen as marginalized. You know, these are victim, this is victim terminology. Right. So, like I said,

16:15 if I have to choose between these two, one, like I said, Larry Elder makes some great points and he has some facts there, but he kind of like oversold it with some with some of his talking points. And if my other option is to be a victim, to be oppressed, marginalized, then I can. And then she said you can't do it on your own. I guess what she means there is black people can't meet their goals on their own political goals on their own. We have to make alliances with groups that are pushing things that are deleterious to

16:53 black people causes, such as illegal immigration. And then she says she brings Charlemagne's name up in this clip and talking about banking black, which we saw in the last Charlemagne banks at a big white hedge fund, as far as we know. Right. So I'm just going to show how the left is disingenuous. So, I mean, that's just with the number one, yes. I think victimhood is very victimhood is very damaging to black people. But I want to say this: majority of the black people don't buy into victimology and victimhood. It's the small minority that's the loudest.

17:38 Here's the thing. Well, hold on. How are they the loudest? You mean on Twitter? Yes. You have a small segment of activists that are the loudest on Twitter and groups like Black Lives Matter, which we know who funds that, George Soros. They have the biggest bullhorn. They have the machine that can be activated. And they portray themselves to represent the sentiment of black people overall. And I think that's this happens with a lot of groups. And if we take into account Twitter really probably only has 5 or 10% of the American population using the platform actively,

18:27 but you get a blue check mark and then you're a part of the game. And then that game is allowed to flow over to other online publications and from there it goes into broadcast cable news. That's kind of the system that's there, not just for black agenda or victimization. It's for everything. That seems to be the way it works. And I think that's a great segue into number four because what we look at, the problem, why this is so impactful to black people is because you don't have a diversity that white America has of opinion. So when you have a Fox News counterbalancing CNN or MSNBC, you don't have a black version of Fox News counterbalancing what CNN and MSNBC pushes.

19:15 So let's listen to number four. Problem number four: lack of diversity. Blacks repeatedly demand an honest dialogue or debate about race. But how can there ever be an honest dialogue about race between blacks and whites when there is virtually no honest dialogue between blacks and blacks? It's hypocritical. And if a black doesn't think whites are ultimately responsible for black people's problems, they're labeled a sellout, uncle Tom, or race traitor. As long as this type of group think exists, race reverence of the Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson type will continue to be celebrated while independent black thinkers such as Professors Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams will be shunned.

19:55 The honest race dialogue and debate that first has to happen is not between blacks and whites, but between blacks and blacks. We demand diversity from others, but need to practice it ourselves where it really matters. And thought, opinion, and even political affiliation. Right. So this is what we talk about on the show before: that Democrats, black people vote majority Democratically. So with that comes the progressive ideology that comes with it. And Republicans say, well, we're not going to get the black vote. And they don't spend any time.

20:36 Zero. They don't care. Yeah. Well, not zero, because we've seen in recent, like in the last election, Trump has paid more attention to the blacks, black community. Right. But we're talking about Republicans, not Trump. Right. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Fair point. Fair point. Fair point. So, you know, it's like it's the forgotten. And in the first problem, he laid out that victimology is pushed in the church, correct? As one of the vehicles. So Reverend Jasper Williams Jr. was at the Aretha Franklin funeral, and he laid out some of the issues plaguing

21:19 the black society. 70% of our households are led by our precious, proud, fine black women. But as proud, beautiful, and fine as our black women are, one thing a black woman cannot do: a black woman cannot raise a black boy to be a man when the police kills one of us. We're ready to protest, march, destroy innocent property.

22:01 We're ready to loot, steal, whatever we want. But when we kill 100 of us, nobody says anything. And whenever you take a foreign object and you put it into the womb before that baby is born, that's abortion before birth. And when that home is not like it ought to be, the father's not doing his part, the mother not doing her part, and the child has deficits. That's abortion after birth. In my experience, my observation, these are all pretty much conservative talking points.

22:44 Correct. But he's not a conservative person. But this is something that whenever someone says, oh, white cops kill black people more often, then it's all, you often hear, well, there were 50 shootings in Chicago this weekend. We didn't hear about that. As usual, Adam, you're getting ahead, sir. I'm sorry. No, no, no. No, it's good that you brought that up because yes, that is the reason. But I need to do my decky voice when I do that. That's the reflexive thing. And it's harmful to the argument that people try to make. But as you, he laid out all of the progressive ideologies that come with the Democratic Party.

23:26 And when he did that, of course he was met with pushback and came under fire. Black America has lost its soul. Two days after the Queen of Soul is laid to rest, the Atlanta pastor who delivered her eulogy is now coming under fire for remarks made about the black community during that service. Our Christy Athridge is joining us now from the newsroom. And Christy, we understand that Reverend Jasper Williams is expected to address the media about these comments that got so many people talking. A lot of people talking, Jennifer, but it doesn't seem to be an apology he's planning. He says he plans to, quote, steadfastly, eloquently, and unapologetically explain the biblical perspective he shared in that eulogy.

24:08 Jasper Williams is pastor emeritus at Salem Bible Church here in Atlanta. Aretha Franklin asked him specifically to speak at her funeral. But when he did, some are calling the comments he made demeaning to black people. He said that black America had lost its soul. He also criticized black on black crime and said single mothers are incapable of raising sons by themselves. Okay. So we have a reverend here that preaches the Bible. And in the Bible, you know, it says, no sex outside of marriage, which means you need to have two parents raising a child. I mean, that would be, you know, like understandable. Thou should not kill. He brings up black on black crime

24:51 and all the other things that go along with the Christian faith. And he comes under fire for it. What is he thinking? Right. So that goes to show you. And this goes into what you were saying. It goes on Twitter. This clip went on Twitter. It became viral. And then it bleeds over into the national news. Yeah, exactly. So this clip illustrates how that works. Now, black people as a whole agree with what Mr. Excuse me, Reverend Jasper Williams is saying, but the outrage machine keeps the majority of black people quiet.

25:32 Yeah, because you don't want to get caught up in the machine. It can rip you apart. Right. Because once you step out there and seen it as something that's not accepted by the black community, then you're shunned. You're called all kinds of names, as the guy laid out when he illustrated problem number four. And you get isolated. So you have to remain quiet. Can I ask you something, Mo? How real is this when it comes to new media? As an example, you've been doing a lot of YouTube videos. You're doing this show. Do you get called names for it?

26:16 I have. But they don't affect me because I know what my cause is. And it's to bring, and I want to make clear what my cause is. My cause is pro-truth. So what I try to do, and I think it's similar to what you try to do, is to make people understand how they're being manipulated. Played. Right. Played. Yeah. If you can understand how the mechanism works that's playing you, then you can defuse it and it no longer is rendered effective on you. Which often comes down to listening carefully because words matter. Correct. And understand, like it's like we just illustrated here.

26:57 You have a group like Black Lives Matter and other progressive groups that have bots that can take a viral video, whether it's pro or con of it, and paint it in a good light or a negative light. It then bleeds over into the normal into your feed. Once it gets into your feed and you see how it's being tilted one way, then it bleeds over into national news. And not to repeat myself, but that's how it works. And even if you're against it, a lot of people don't have courage to say they're against it. Well, and if you're against it, then you get the gang up. And that's, you know, now for me, that's second nature almost.

27:41 I've been in the public eye since I was, you know, 19. Actually, earlier, if you take the pirate radio stuff into account, but it's not always easy to be called all kinds of names and spat on on Twitter, even though it's Twitter. You know, we saw this progression. There was bullying and then it's social justice and it doesn't matter. And now it's just you rip someone apart. And it's not easy for people who just want to stand up and say something. It's challenging. And then you have the council culture. That was the next point. Yes, exactly. Right. So that's one of the things that we're saying that we see, especially for black people with high visibility.

28:21 And I think that's what Jay-Z went through is, you know, he's teetering on the cancel culture. Now he has enough equity in the black community where he won't be outright canceled. But a good friend of mine and me were having a conversation. And I asked, was this Jay-Z's Bill Cosby pull up your pants moment? The reason why I asked that is Bill Cosby being taken down. Let's be clear. Bill Cosby did things that were wrong. And that's not even an argument that needs to be discussed. But where we see it as when he told people, pull up your pants, you know, and be respectable.

29:02 A good segment of black society, like, you're not supposed to say that to us. And when he did that, he lost a lot of support in the black community. Whereas with the R. Kelly, he done even more despicable things that have been have physical evidence of it. But for some reason. But he didn't tell you to pull up your pants now, did he? Right. So you see the difference. Yeah. And so what I'm saying about Jay-Z is the same. I'm sorry to interrupt, Mo. No, no problem. When Bill Cosby said that, and we're talking, you remember what year that was? I think it was. mid-90s, I want to say. That's what I thought. I was probably, I don't know if I was still on MTV, but I was probably doing my radio show.

29:45 But I was in popular culture. And to be honest, I remember white people going, yeah, hell yeah. Tell them to pull up their pants. I hate that look. So it was actually bad on both sides. And my dad, he was like, he wasn't going for it. Your pants go around your waist. What's wrong with you, boy? You know what I'm saying? So he said nothing wrong. It's the fact that those young guys, those crisscross jump around. I don't mind if they wear their pants backwards. That's fine. That wasn't fly. And you know what? Funny story is, I tried that.

30:24 I was maybe 12, 13 years old when Jump Around came out. It was the weirdest thing, man. And my dad caught me going down the steps. He's like, what in the so I'm facing? So my back's to him, but my clothes is facing him. Uh-huh. So, yeah. And that didn't go over too well, did it? He's like, if you don't get your ASS back in here looking crazy, so that just goes to show the respectability is there, but now you can't say it. Yes. So just to get back on track, we have a popular ESPN host, Stephen A.

31:09 Smith, and he came out about black people voting for the GOP. Stephen A. said that every black person in America should vote Republican for at least one election. Stephen A. Smith is joining me now. Stephen, who are you trying to send a message to? Republicans, Democrats, African Americans, all of the above? I'd go with all of the above. That sounds about right, but specifically the Democratic Party from the standpoint that I definitely believe that the black vote has been taken for granted. And primarily, the black community is at fault in my estimation in that regard simply because, on one hand, we're giving one party our vote because they've successfully gone about the business of convincing our community that the other party, the Republican Party, is completely against the interest of the black community.

31:57 And as a result, we've been very transparent in our support. We've boarded Hook Lana Sinker. We look at the Republican Party. I'm not talking about every single one of us, of course, but vast majority of black Americans look at the Republican Party as the enemy. We look at the Democratic Party even tacitly as our support base. And as a result, we are very transparent in our support for them. So because of it, they have a license to take us for granted. The Republican Party has a license to summarily dismiss us because they believe they'll never get our vote anyway. And then we end up finding ourselves devoid of any kind of representation whatsoever because nobody is really competing to garner our vote and our support.

32:38 So when Stephen A. Smith came out and said this, oh my, I bet shit hit the fan. He was called every kind of name listed before and one not listed by the gentleman that laid out problem number four. And that is the C word. That is coon. C-O-O-N. And just let people know: a black man calling another black man coon is the equivalent of a white man calling a black man a nigger. Good to know. It holds that way. And I've seen this weird thing where white liberals are allowed to call black people coons.

33:18 And I'm like, what? Yes, on social media, you will see this. If you see somebody step out, say, for instance, like a Candace Owens or some Kanye. Yes. I saw many people, even white people are calling him Kunye. Now, Kanye is, we know, we've agreed. He's bulletproof. So not the best example. It doesn't matter what you call him. He can do anything he wants. But what I'm saying is they were given the license. Wow. White liberals were given a license to kill Kanye Kunye. Now, who is in charge of the licensing department for this? It's a loosely based organization, you know. Got it. All right.

34:03 I'd like to attend a meeting. I'd like to learn more. Right. Yeah, I could talk to you on some bat chones about that, sir. But I get it. I get it. I get the issue. Yeah, it's not the thing you say. Right. So with Steve, but it's acceptable. And we have to go back. Liberal ideologies come down for people like George Soros that fund groups like Black Lives Matter. Black Lives Matter attack people that have a diversity of thought. So it's really you doing the bidding of a white man like George Soros. So this is a weird thing in the name of blackness. I don't understand it. I mean, my mind can't wrap around it.

34:44 But yeah, and Stephen A. Smith has done a complete, even though he was valid in what he said about voting GOP to send a message to Democrats. And it's actually similar to my message as to telling people not to vote or vote against Democrats to send a message to let them know about our political maturing process. He received so much blowback that he attacked Colin Kaepernick when Colin Kaepernick refused to vote. Well, now, if Kyle Kaepernick was to vote, he only had one choice. Right. Is it culture? Now, I agree that most black people vote for the Democratic Party.

35:23 Are they politically active in general? And of course, we're generalizing that they also register Democrat and vote in primaries? No, they don't want you to vote in prime. I mean, they don't really want you voting in primaries. That way, the party can get the vote, the candidate in there they want. And we're seeing this. We've seen this before. And the keyword, and it's a meme, and I've caught it two, three, four times: activate. You only activate when we activate you. Oh, my goodness. Yes, that is exactly the word. Sure. We've been in every episode almost. Right. So you lay dormant, you let us pick the candidate.

36:05 And then once it's how it goes to generals, we activate you. Oh, what is wrong with you, people? Right. What is wrong? So to bring a conservative tilt to what the gentleman said, Talib said, he brought up a name, Thomas Sowell. Yes. And let's just see about his facts and fallacies. Race wasn't the basis of slavery? Oh, it's a simple historical matter. Slavery existed for thousands of years as far back as there are any records of human beings. Archaeological finds suggest that slavery rather existed before human beings could read and write.

36:46 So with race, a racial difference between the slaves and the enslavers, that is a relatively new phenomenon. You didn't have in ancient times the ability to go to another continent and move millions of people of a different race across the ocean. So you enslaved the people who were nearby. The Europeans enslaved Slavs for centuries before they brought the first black African to the Western Hemisphere. Okay, but so you're not suggesting you do not wish to say anything other than that slavery as practiced in the United States was it may have been recent, but you'd be willing to grant that it was particularly perverse and destructive because race got mixed into it at that point, right?

37:33 Race got mixed into it in the United States more than anywhere else for a very simple reason. The United States was founded, as the Declaration said, independence, said men are all men are created equal. If that's true, then the only way you can justify slavery is to say that some men are less than men. All right. So that's the Thomas Soel. And he made some great, some valid points about slavery existing before American slavery and it being intra-racial, intra-racial. But it was the hypocrisy of the Constitution or the Declaration of Independence. Right.

38:13 But when you say that, and this is, like I said, it's not how it's said, but how it's received. Because I'm going to be honest with you. I have this racial gag reflex as well. It's a natural thing growing up as a black man in America. When you hear certain things that you've learned all your life and you hear it, you actually gag to it because when you hear things say, oh, American racism wasn't really racially based. What? I mean, that discredits everything you said before that. Now, is it his, is these points nuanced? Yes, they are. But I'm just telling you why.

38:56 I'm trying to explain to people why conservative talking points fall deaf on black ears. This is what I'm trying to illustrate here. That's why I illustrate with the Larry Elders clip. I'm illustrating here with the Thomas Sowell clip. He said a lot of facts in there. But when you implant that one, it's like the pee in the mattress. It makes it very uncomfortable to take. what you're saying as valid when you say things like American slavery was not racially based. Well, then why is he saying this? And he's well respected.

39:41 Here's the thing: are they equally trying to persuade people the same way that people on the left are? Well, that's that's the that's the idea you get when you hear this little uh you know this little embedded nugget that is clearly meant to plant something in your mind. Yeah, what else can I conclude? Right. You're trying to make, and here's here's this is how inside baseball. Um, when black people hear this, what it sounds like is you're trying to absolve white people of the racist actions that happened in America in its past. I can see how that would be interpreted that way, of course. So when you do that, you lose all credibility.

40:23 Even you have you, you have facts, you have numbers, you have stats, you know what I'm saying, charts and everything. But when you plant that little nugget in there, and I'm, I don't know if he's doing it on his own or it's like, hey, you know, kind of takes some of the pressure off of us. I don't know. Well, it's also a that, you know, the fact that they were white slaves, that the first slave owner was black, you know, these are all talking points that are used in counter arguments. And in fact, actual counter arguments about, oh, how would we do reparations? Because dot dot dot, implying it was not a racial issue.

41:07 Right, but it did have racial aspects to it. Of course. Especially American slavery. Let's be clear. And especially American slavery under because it's existed before America existed on this continent. But you know, under when you, and it's the hypocrisy, even he laid it out. It's the hypocrisy when you say all men are created equal, but this certain group is counted as three-fifths. And we know where that origin of that number comes from. They're treated differently. And like I said before, in intra-racial

41:48 slavery, if I was able to buy my freedom, you couldn't tell that I was a slave anymore. With American slavery, even though if I was able to buy my freedom, my skin makes me still a slave in people's mind. Right on. So I think that's the difference. And when they say all about the slobs and that kind of thing, it's totally different. Totally different. So let's just keep moving. And I want to show even in television, a diversity of thought is not allowed because we have to keep the stereotypical ideas going.

42:29 And who we're going to hear from now is James Amos. That was the father on the popular show Good Times. The differences we had on that show, and we had a number of differences, as evidenced by my early departure from the show, was I felt that with two other younger children, one of whom aspired to become a Supreme Court justice, that would be Ralph Carter or Michael, and the other, Bernadette Stennis, I think she aspired to become a surgeon. And the differences I had with the producers of the show was that I felt too much emphasis was being put on JJ and his chicken hat and saying dynamite every third page when just as much emphasis and mileage could have been gotten out of my other two children and the concomitant jokes and

43:20 humor that could have come out of that. But I wasn't the most diplomatic guy, like I said, in those days. And they got tired of having their lives threatened over jokes. So they said, I'll tell you what, why don't we kill him off? And we'll get on with our, we'll all get on with our lives. Life's too short. So that taught me a lesson that I wasn't as important as I thought I was to the show or to Norman Lear's plans. And he was not about to have a disruptive factor. That was neat, a disruptive factor. Okay. I caught that one. I know what that's about. What did you catch, Adam? Norman Lear is what I caught. That's a familiar name to me. And for the

44:00 non-no-agended listeners, who is Norman Lear? Norman Lear was the producer of All in the Family. And I want to say The Jeffersons. And was he also the producer of Good Times? I didn't know that. Yes. Wouldn't surprise me. I believe Norman Lear is still alive. certainly, his work is still alive, as for years he has run something called the Hollywood Health and Society. I think it's called Foundation. And they provide script help. I think it started with medical dramas. That's kind of how they got into the business. And they would hire doctors to then consult on,

44:42 you know, what's the Clooney thing? Whatever that series was that he started in. But you know, medical drama, but really social justice issues, writing scripts. They've done a lot of work on popular shows now like Modern Family, and they slip in climate change stuff. And to me, it's very obvious. And they put a lot of very active things in that are actual news at the time. And they're very deeply entrenched in Hollywood. And they do this work unquestioned. And they're seen as the experts on almost everything. So you can't, it's like hiring IBM.

45:22 You can't go wrong if you bring in the Hollywood Health and Society Lear Foundation. It's all good. Is this where I'll share a little bit of how they talk? Yes, please. This is Martin Kaplan of the Hollywood Health and Society. It's a multi-part talk that he gave, but this is the boasting about how much involvement they have in Hollywood scripts. So, in the course of our work, this is in the two years, 11 to 13, 335 storylines that we worked on have been aired. We've worked with 35 networks in the past four years, 91 different television shows.

46:04 And this clip is, I want to say, five years old at least, maybe even older. So now you see the impact, even pre-the Lear Foundation, of them shaping ideas of how black people are to be perceived. So just a background on the Good Times show, it was about a mother, a father, and three children. You had JJ, who was an aspiring artist and basically a class clown. Then you had the second child, which is Thelma, I believe her name was, and she was a spiring surgeon and dancer.

46:45 And then you had the youngest child who wanted to be the next third good Marshall. That was his thing. But with the show, it was like John Amos said, it was all about Dino Mike. Do it again, do it again. Dino Mike. So John Amos would actually threaten these people's lives, as he says, because of the bull crap they tried to push through the show. And eventually what happened was he was fired off of a successful show.

47:23 If you listen to the clip, it goes on. He tells us, I just want to paraphrase. He was fired because he was upsetting the Apple cart. And what they did then was just make the show about doom and gloom. I mean, which it was. It was based in the projects of Chicago, right? I mean, so, but it was about scratching and surviving. If you say if you listen to the theme song, so yeah. So what they did was kill, they killed off the black man. Yes. Well, I mean, don't we see a common theme here? Yes. And then they and then they let the shenanigans go. Yeah. Just fly loose.

48:06 So, I mean, I just want to show you that even in television, they shape a certain narrative. There's no balance. There's no, and even when you have a strong person like John Amos trying to push balance from within, they'll get rid of you. And also the flow of an organization like the Lear Hollywood Health and Society Foundation is, you know, there's a lot of people who consult and they flow in and they're in production companies. And then down the road, they're running stuff. And that's one of the many ways Hollywood has historically received its left-leaning ideology.

48:46 Right. And that's exactly correct. And like I said, it's just, there is no diversity. And it's all controlled. It's all controlled one way or the other. Right. And it's controlled from the very top and the very top as we've, I've tried to repeatedly, and I know maybe people get tired of me saying this, but on the left, it is generated from white people. Yep. Even when you go back to the end. NAACP, you know, that was started by majority white people, almost all white people, except for W.E.B.

49:23 Du Bois. And he was really, let me see his role. Let me not belabor the point, but I just want to show you what this was their original founders and roles they played. You had national president of the NAACP, you had Moorefield Story, white guy, chairman of executive committee, William English Wallings, white guy, treasurer, John E. Milholland, white guy, dispersing treasurer, Oswald Garrison Villard, white guy, executive secretary Francis Blaiscore,

50:07 white white. And then you have director of publicity and research, W.E.B. Du Bois, which was a mulatto. Well, you know, what you're implying here is that there has always been white control over, and it's, of course, likely true, just looking at the numbers, over black culture and certainly in television, movie, and entertainment. Do you think that as then today they have inherent purposeful racist ideas? Or do you think that these people are trying to do well and are completely missing the mark?

50:49 I think they have elitist ideas. And with when you have a group such as black people who started out, I mean, I guess we need to accept the fact that slavery has had an impact on black people as being not a good start. Not a good start. And it's a good, it's a good meme of that. And you have the white guys, it's like a race. You have the white guys taking off running, and the black people are held back at the starting line. And then like, it's like, then they let the black people go. I mean, the black runner go. So that's what illustrated. And then you factor in all the things we laid out before, such as Jim Crow.

51:31 And then you have policies like no man in the house and welfare and these kind of things that just, you know, made it worse. Where are all these policies coming from? We black people know. I think it's disingenuous to say black people create their own problems. Yes, on the very bottom level, but we have to go up the ladder and see where they're instituted at. So I think that kind of works us into problem number three. Problem number three, urban terrorism. As just about everyone knows, but too few talk about publicly, in majority black cities, violent black on black crime is rampant.

52:11 A Department of Justice study from 1980 through 2008 revealed that blacks accounted for almost half of the nation's homicide victims, 47.4%, and more than half of the offenders, 52.4%, all while being 13% of America's population. The Tuskegee Institute conducted a study of all known lynchings of blacks that occurred between 1882 through 1968. During this 86-year span, which is essentially the post-Civil War era up to the civil rights era, 3,446 blacks were reportedly lynched. Presently, black on black murder eclipses the number of blacks lynched over the course of 80 years, roughly every six months.

52:55 Unbelievably, the culpability for this disproportionate amount of mayhem actually lies with the menacing 2% to 3% minority within the black populace. I call them urban terrorists. And since they're literally spawned from problem number two, the black community protects them. Having seen this video before we started the show, I have a problem with this one. This is a false equivalency, in my opinion. And this is where they lose any support that they may garner with their facts. Yes, black on black crime is a thing, but if that's a thing, then white-on-white crime needs to be a thing.

53:36 But you never ever hear about like mass shootings described as white-on-white crime. No, no, that's Nazis. Right. And with that said, even he illustrated that it's a very, very small minority of the black community that participates in this criminality. But what it does is make seem that all black people participate in criminality. And even to black people that call themselves woke, I even had this argument. I was like, do you realize? Let me just pull up some facts. I'm going by the NAACP criminal sheet and it says,

54:17 let's see. In 2014, African Americans constituted 2.3 million of the total 6.8 million correctional population. Now, that is 34%, right? Yeah. Which is that's up. That's the problem. That is the problem because if it's equally distributed, then you would have it more reflect that we are 13% of the population and then we should only represent 13% of the correctional population. So that is the problem. But the way they frame that number and numbers are important because you have to look at them in the proper context.

54:55 Now, there's 2.3 million people in prison, correct? This is from the NAACP. Now, if I, let me see, black population, I think the black population in America is somewhere around 30 million. So when you do that number, that's less than 10%. You know, somewhere, I think like 6%. But you would make it the way that Democrats talk about how the impact of the criminal justice system affects black people, you would think your number would be around 30, 40%. So you're letting 6% of the population control the policies that are important to black people. That doesn't sound logical.

55:39 Right. And on the other hand, as you said, the Republican talking points make it seem like all black people are criminals as well. Or the black on black crime, and then they use the murder rate and these things, which is totally 13% of your population is black people. Half of that 6.5% shouldn't account for 50% of the murders. We totally understand that is way out of, you know, saying, distribution. We get that. But this is where the conservatives have a problem. They don't want to look at the root causes of why.

56:24 And let's look at, this is Tony Hesi Coates, and he's speaking on enduring the myth of black criminality. In fact, there's a long history in this country of dealing with problems in the African American community through the criminal justice system, criminalizing social problems in a way that we don't do in other communities. For instance, if you looked at the research, you would find that somewhere around 60 to 70% of the people in prisons and in jails are suffering some sort of mental health problem. I was a 50% going there dealing with some sort of chemical dependency. Viewed from another lens, these are public health problems. One could look at the massive number of African-American men who are out of work and the intersection between that and prison.

57:07 Or one could look at where prisons are located. And you would find that a lot of times prisons are located in rural regions, where all other industries effectively shut down. And you might think of that as actually an employment problem and not a criminal justice problem. The enduring view of African Americans in this country is as a race of people who are prone to criminality. Again, it's all false equivalencies that lead to this. Yes. And the problem with it's when you have two ways you look at the same thing. When you see a mass shooter

57:48 of the white variety, male, the Republicans will say it's a mental health issue. You know, it's, you know, which rightfully so. I'm saying these people do have problems. But when you, they talk about black on black crime, you never hear. No, it's not a mental health problem, just evil. Right. You know what I'm saying? They're naturally that way. I mean, yeah. And they don't say that, but the absence of bringing up mental health issues and desperation and chemical dependency on drugs, even the way we look at the opioid addiction compared to the crap epidemic of the 80s, just totally look to that different.

58:31 And we just saw this with the shooter in where was he? The guy who was a Philadelphia. So first of all, the news media is not that interested because, oh, damn, it's not a crappy ass white guy who's doing it. So we can't pull the Nazi white supremacist card. And then not a single mention of mental health or anything like that. A guy who's spraying hundreds of bullets around, killing all or hitting all kinds of people. I didn't hear it once, not once. And I'm just as guilty of that. You never hear. hear it because I think with mass shooters, you have a face and you have a name, and you can really dig into the background of those people.

59:15 Right. I mean, to that person. Well, that's a great point because the media does not do that. You don't know the name of the guy who shot up Philly. You don't know that. It was a black guy with a gun. What do you mean? Yeah. I'm sorry. Identified. Done. Right. That's how they look at it. And it's here to point out that the inequality and the hypocrisy and how things are covered. Is that not what social justice warriors? Because I just admitted to it. It's like, I know I didn't think of it. I know I didn't think of it that way. I was thinking of other things like, oh, the media is not doing their job, but I didn't take it one more step further.

59:58 So is this not what we define systemic racism? Yes, this is a form of it. And that's it's systemic racism, systemic racism is almost faceless. Right. The same way elites are faceless. The real people that run this world and push these things down on us, we don't identify them. You know, we identify their talking heads. But just to go and show you that it's not only a white person's problem that uses the black on black crown talking point.

1:00:36 Let's listen to Larry Elders on Black on Black Crime. So-called activists saying this is the assumption that racism remains a major problem in America. The media, CNN, especially MSNBC, runs down whenever a black cop shoots somebody and it's some march on Washington. It's ridiculous. Black people, half the homicides in this country are committed by and against black people. Last year, there were 14,000 homicides. Not talking about suicides. I'm talking about homicides. Half of them were black, 96% of them black on black of that 7,000. Where's the Black Lives Matter people on that? He's talking about police shooting black men. And then he pivots to the

1:01:17 black on black crown argument, which those are two totally separate things, but it's a natural tool of deflection. It's like, oh, we don't want to talk about that. And we do have a problem with, like I said before, with the gentleman that was choked out, I can't breathe, with Philando Castile, who was shot on camera. He was a legal, he was a legal Castile Carrie. Where was the NWA? When was the NRA on that? You think the NRA would have been all over that, you know, to say we have a guy with a legal Castile carry shot by the police, killed on camera on Facebook Live.

1:02:02 But no, there's no interest in that. And Larry Elders, I think, if I'm not mistaken, is pro-NRA. But he didn't take that angle. He said, oh, well, black people will kill black people too and at a higher rate. So it's just this weird thing that they just want to deflect. And once again, that makes their facts, which are true and accurate, null and void when talking to black people. By the way, we also never discuss mental health or medication when it comes to cops killing anybody. Well, we know why we don't never talk about medication

1:02:43 in general. Well, because the news media is bought off, paid for. Every commercial is big pharma. So it's not going to be a discussion. I'm sure you mean that. Correct. And that's a good point. I've never heard a cop justify using ever be an accusation. Like, what was wrong with this guy? Did he wig out? Is he nuts? Is he on SSRIs? You never think about it. But I tell you one thing. I know a lot of cops. I grew up with cops in Jersey and firemen, and they got problems. They got huge problems. And specifically mental health problems from the shit they witness and see. It's, you know, sometimes you got to wonder. You're exactly correct.

1:03:28 And when you said that, I just had a just like, it just hit me. It hit me that I've never heard that argument. But I've seen on HBO, they had an old series where talking about cops and the stress they go through and the bullcrap they see every day. So yeah, there will have to be a large percentage of cops dealing with mental health issues. I might have had to look into that. Well, and I'll just give you something from. recent times: is just imagine you're a cop, you're in New York City, and you go and try and, as you perceive, protect or serve the community, and the community turns around and is dumping buckets of water on you.

1:04:15 You're not allowed to do anything because your boss is an idiot, whatever the situation is, to say that doesn't affect you is very short-sighted. It's got to affect a person. Like, what the, I mean, if someone's just yelling at you and doing shit and you can't do anything, that's going to affect your performance. And that was the weird thing because due to the war on drugs, some of the most original people calling for heavy policing in the black community were black politicians and even the black people that lived in those neighborhoods, rightfully so. And the NRA saying, black people, you need to arm yourselves. Right, but we've seen this 180 of black people

1:04:57 being anti-police because of the over-policing, because we've seen unfair laws, the crack cocaine to powder cocaine disparity. This is widely known, but I don't know if it's well understood. And there's some conspiracy issues to it that are annoying for the truth. But, you know, what happened, and it's linked into Iran-Contra and all kinds of big government scams and schemes. How crack cocaine got on the streets of America is a very

1:05:37 uniquely American problem. And that's a great segue into Gary Webb in his own words. My name is Gary Webb. I am an investigative journalist. I've been an investigative journalist for about 25 years for daily newspapers. And in 1996, I wrote a series of stories entitled Dark Alliance, which was about CIA involvement in drug trafficking. What my story showed was that the cocaine that was being sold in those neighborhoods was coming from mainly one source, and this one source was being used to finance a guerrilla war in Central America.

1:06:25 The general idea of the CIA dealing drugs was something that the American mainstream press had never written about before. And that's why it prompted outrage among blacks, among drug reform activists, among politicians, by the CIA, by every federal agency involved in the drug war, because it showed they weren't doing their jobs, that it was a fraud. So, as you brought up, why don't conservatives ever discuss that? You know, they act like that these kids have just gone crazy. They don't look at the source of how those drugs made it into those communities.

1:07:09 And if they did, that would make a valid argument. And the funny thing is, even the Democrats don't discuss this now. And that very man, Gary Webb, who did the investigation, wound up shooting himself twice in the head with a gun in his left hand. Right, two to the head. Yep. And if you go Google and go look on YouTube, you'll find Maxine Waters in her early days trumpeting these claims. But now that she's become establishment, you haven't heard a peep out of her since. And do we really think that the, I think they've become more efficient and let the cartels run it.

1:07:52 But at the end of the day, I think there's some kind of still governmental tie to drugs being brought into these communities. And I recommend the movie, Is It American Gangster? Right. With Denzel, and that's based on the true story of how these drugs were smuggled in. It's a great movie. Yes, it is a great movie. And just to go back to this disparity of sentencing between crack cocaine and powder cocaine, it was, what was it, 1986 bill that it was a hundred to one ratio. So if you had one gram of crack would be equal to 100 grams of powder cocaine. How do you come up with that

1:08:37 calculation? And the irony of it, crack cocaine actually has less cocaine in it. It has more, you know, ammonia. And what else is in there? Baking soda, baby laxatives. Laxatives, that's it. baking soda and laxatives. Yeah, but you get 101 disparities. Now, this is something that Obama tried to correct during his administration. Oh, yes, he corrected the 2010 Fair Synthesing Act, and let's see here. Oh, he brought it down from 101 to 18 to 1. Thank you, Obama.

1:09:18 Hey, it's better than nothing. I'm laughing. I'm laughing, Mo, because I've been on this story for 25 years. I've been like, what is going on with this? And no one ever really talks about it. But I think it's, look at the people who are still in Congress. They were around when this scam took place. You know, you're in your 70s. You were knowledgeable. You were around. This is a huge scourge on American politics. From Iran-Contra all the way to the money being used from crack cocaine being sold on the streets of Los Angeles mainly.

1:09:58 And just to show you, this is a television clip from a television show, but just to show you, it's a misconception that black people accept criminality. Now, that has been forced on us through mass media, entertainment, and accepting of drug dealers as heroes. If you look at the show Rock that was on Fox, we'll see that wasn't the case in the early 90s. I got a nice little thing going across the street, you understand? And I don't need somebody like you messing things up with your little phone calls to the police and your stupid ass block parties. This ain't none of your damn business, man. You understand? I'm trying to get paid.

1:10:41 You understand? And I don't need you button to my affairs. I thought this was a nice neighborhood, man. It was a nice neighborhood. It's always been a nice neighborhood. Yeah, well, I hear what you're saying, brother. But I'm a businessman. You know what I mean? A businessman? That's right. Is that what you call yourself? You ain't no businessman. You're a murderer. And you're killing your own people. Now, you may have done your killing someplace else, but it ain't happening here. I don't think I made myself clear. I don't want your drugs. I don't want your money. I want your sorry ass out of my house and off my street. You understand? Now, you got to stop this now.

1:11:21 Stay out of this, Ellen. I don't think you want to do this, G. Oh, yeah, I've been wanting to do this ever since you moved. No, I don't think you want to find one of these loved ones of yours in one of those garbage cans. If you ever so much as look in that direction, I'll run down on you. I'll break your back. You don't look how crazy I am. So that goes to show you that black people, especially black men, weren't okay with what was going on in their communities. Well, you may be a little bit too young, but Starsky and Hutch. Do you remember Starsky and Hutch? No, I remember the movie they made, but not the television.

1:12:02 Well, Starsky and Hutch were two cops, and they had this hot shit Ford, which looked like a moron was driving it, but okay. Back then, hot shit, and they were cops. And they had an informant, and his name was Huggy Bear. I remember Huggy Bear. And Huggy Bear was a pimp, you know, criminal, but he was the okay kind or something like that. So this has been around. It was definitely like, oh, he's just got the colorful hats and he's got the pimp, the pimp clothing. So, you know, it's just, it's Huggy Bear. You know, he's cool. Yeah, so that just goes to show you that somewhere along the line, there was this weird pivot of being anti-drug to where popular culture and entertainment is now pro-drug and pro-drug dealer.

1:12:50 And let's just see how we got there. Broken homes lead to the streets. You won't find in these neighborhoods the prime time family of Bill Cosby. There are successful, strong black families in America, families that affirm parental authority and the values of disciplined work and achievement. But not many live around here. Still, not every girl in the inner city ends up a teenage mother. Not every young man goes into crime. There are people who have stayed here to fight for these kids. They're outnumbered by the con artists and pushers. It's not an even match, but they stand for morality and authority and give some of these kids a bracing dose of unsentimental love.

1:13:34 When their own fathers are missing, kids need someone else to stand in to practice damage control as the street take over. For these kids, that someone is Detective Shaheed Jackson of the Newark Police. He came by his street smart, the hard way. Well, I came up out of the streets, so I know how to get around a lot of that stuff. And I guess the older you get, the more you learn. I was fortunate enough coming up that I never got caught. And I grew out of the streets, but yet I still have some in the street in me. There was a time when he wasn't sure he would make it off those streets. He was an unmarried father at 18, and he had his share of troubles, but he was raised by two parents.

1:14:15 His father was a Baptist minister, and they pushed him to make something of himself. On Sunday morning on my block, you would see each family almost coming out going to church. You know, you don't see that anymore. The family unity. Hmm. Let me tell you how that came across to me: oh, you separated from the church, and that's the problem. That is one of the problems. The reason why I say that it was a structured structured place to receive morality. Sure. So, I mean, that was the function, you know, I mean, of the church.

1:15:00 But what he really showed is that when you have a two-parent household, these kind of, even though he was introduced to the streets, he was steered away from it because you have that structure there. And let's go into part two of this clip. What have you learned about these kids? That they need somebody to love them. You know, they identify with us because we don't, excuse the expression, we don't take any crap. You know, you come in here, you got to be disciplined, you got to, you know, follow the rules and regulations. Because when they go out here and deal with life, they're going to have to follow rules and regulations of life. Self-control and self-esteem. Far more important than a good left hook. That's his message to kids like Bernard Wardwick.

1:15:45 He's been coaching Bernard for the past four years. It's like a big brother father in between me and Bernard. There's been times when he's gotten me mad and I've spanked him. You know, and his mother knows I'll spank him. He knows I'll spank him. And sometimes that's what a kid needs to know. Freedom is a lot of times destruction. The more freedom a man has, a lot of times he'll just self-destruct. So I try to, you know, keep him in a little cage, keep him in my arms. Somebody has to say no. Yeah, somebody has to say no, you cannot do this. A lot of these kids grew up with nobody saying no. You think it's important for them to have men around them? Yeah, I think, you know, if you have a one-parent family and it's a mother, she cannot teach all of the things that a man can teach a son.

1:16:31 There's no way. So where do they learn the routine techniques of just daily work and living? They don't. Unless they get it from their parents to get it from the streets. Yeah, this is the gang culture issue. Right. So that it's and it's not exclusive to black America. No. Because we see the same thing with child soldiers in Africa. Yep. We see the same thing with in the Middle East with the rise of Islamic radical Islamic terrorism. When they look for fatherless, often orphaned children. MS13. M13 is another example. MS-13 is another. Great example.

1:17:13 So what they look for is kids without any family structure. You create that family structure and then you turn around and exploit them. So as the To Lib laid out number three, he said number three was contributed to by number two. Problem number two: proliferation of baby mamas. The disintegration of the nuclear family has led to an astronomical increase of single mother households. According to the Moynihan Report, in 1965, nearly 25% of black children were born to unwed mothers. The report's author, Daniel Patrick Moynihan, said this was a disaster in the making.

1:17:57 He was, of course, vilified by so-called black leaders and their progressive allies. But he was right. Today, the out-of-wedlock birth rate is nearly 75% and even higher in some urban areas. To be clear, baby daddies share this responsibility with baby mamas. Yet, while baby daddies are blamed and really shown compassion, baby mamas are rarely blamed and receive both compassion and support. This lopsided dynamic and the previously listed pathology stem directly from the number one problem facing the black community. Now, this, which he calls problem number two, is one of my, has a lot of interest for me because this is so embedded now in popular culture.

1:18:40 The concept of a baby daddy baby mama is universally accepted. accepted. Yeah, if you look at the trends of single-parent households, not only did it increase from the original clips I presented were for a 1986 special. From that point to now, single-parent households have skyrocketed in every community. Yes, sir. So it's accept. And the question is: does this come from liberal progressive policies and ideologies? Is that where it stems from? Where, you know, before in the 1950s, even in black communities and white communities, you had to have a father, mother, and children.

1:19:33 Now we have this thing, you know, where you can't even question anybody. Now, people can do what they want to. That's not what I'm here for. But we have to see the impact of children being insecure when they don't have both family in the household. And in the black community, those children are open up to predatorial influences, as we mentioned, that are not exclusive to the black community, but it is there. Yeah, so this is, you're right, it's a universal issue.

1:20:10 And this is the way the world has changed. And now, whether you can pin that on liberal progressive ideas or not. I used to attend church regularly when I was a kid. I don't anymore. You know, dabble here and there. But I'm a lot older. I come with things rammed into me from early on. That's clearly not the case anymore. And I'm not saying exclusively from church, but when we look at television and what's accepted on broadcast television, not shows like HBO and those things. Well, Moe, Mo, when you can have people with male genitalia competing at contest level with a different gender, there's all kinds of issues going on with this.

1:20:57 I totally agree. But let's just look at the effects of welfare. And society has made living for the women without the husband or without the male easy. Oh? Yeah, welfare. I think welfare is not the best thing for everybody. Tell me why. Because it provides you with some kind of income that you sooner or later just settle for. I know I was on welfare. I've been on welfare. Are you suggesting that we do away with welfare? No, I'm saying it has to be upgraded. For instance, I have some young people here that are on welfare, okay, but would like to work, but they can't work and make a coin because everything you make is taken away from your check.

1:21:43 Can you push the solution even further back? Is there any way to stop the cycle of teenage pregnancies? That's so difficult to even talk about. In my heart, I think I have a solution. And I know now it may rub people the wrong way. But I believe that teenage pregnancy cannot be stopped by programs. It has to be morals. And morals come from God. And somewhere along the line, the black family kind of strayed away from that. And I believe we need it. You say the moral values have changed. Oh, yes. It's morally acceptable to have babies. It was not morally acceptable years ago. That's hurting the black family. What I hear you saying is that even though racism may have brought about these circumstances, even though society may have created conditions that are terrible, you're saying you have to be responsible.

1:22:32 You have to practice discipline and self-restraint. That's right. We are destroying ourselves. Now, it might have been motivated and plotted and seeded with racism, but we're content to be in this well now. Okay. We're just content to be in this mud and we need to get out of it. So I thought this clip was so powerful because this was coming from a person that was on welfare, a black woman that lived in the community. And that was her perspective that, you know, the lack of morality. And I'm not pushing religion. That's not what I'm saying. I'm talking about morality.

1:23:18 Wherever you may find that at more power to you. But we have to see that these things have been deleterious to the black community. I can't really add any more than what she said in her clip because it was so powerful. Well, let's listen to Effects of Welfare 2. welfare because it makes me lazy. Yeah, it makes you lazy just to sit around and wait for a monthly check to come in. No, I just like to work. I like money coming every week after two months. So I want to dispel this myth that a lot of people that receive welfare don't like to work.

1:24:03 The system is set up for you not to work. If I was to receive a check of the same amount as working at McDonald's or sitting at home, which one would I choose? Why don't we, and this is my personal view, why don't we reward people that go out and maybe work minimum wage and supplement their income instead of rewarding people that stay at home and do nothing. You understand what I'm coming from? Well, yes. Now, I grew up in a socialist country. I grew up in the Netherlands.

1:24:42 I've also lived in Belgium and I've lived in the United Kingdom, all socialist policies. And I've seen the effects of a, well, you can call them welfare programs. In fact, a lot of people today say, hey, we're already socialists. We have welfare. Well, what I saw is one step further in these so-called evolved socialist countries where your welfare check or your social support check is typically 70% of your last paycheck earned. So imagine if you're doing making 100 grand and then you go on welfare, you're making 70,

1:25:21 which also puts a huge burden on the employers. That's a different issue. But what happens is you get this, you actually get a lazy culture where people, and I'm just talking about the Netherlands because I witnessed this, will have something years ago. I'm talking 15 years ago. Oh, I have a burnout. They didn't call it a burnout. That later got popularized. That's what they call in Dutch. They call it a burnout. In English, they use that word. Burnout. Okay, well, I have to go home now for three months. That's kind of the standard burnout. And then they'd be like, yeah, I'm hanging around. I'm kind of bored. I'll go lug some bricks around for my buddy. I got a trailer. I can do some yard work. Then the neighbor sees that. Like, wait a minute, that guy's supposed to be home with a burnout or his back is out.

1:26:06 Now he's doing all this other stuff. It creates incredible strife in all communities. But what you say is, in effect, true. It's like, hey, why don't you go sit home and take care of yourself? And, you know, you're burned out. Yeah. And people take advantage of it. And they, I think, inherently become not necessarily lazy about the work, but wait a minute, I can make this money and I can get some additional under-the-table money. I mean, at the end of the day, everyone's all for themselves. And so this is not a uniquely black, uniquely American program. Welfare does seem to have this effect. And I want to make two points and then we can go into number one.

1:26:44 One is we've seen one. The first point is this is what troubles me with the UBI, the universal basic. It's totally what UBI is all about. It's luring people under the same pretense. Right. That's very troubling because I always bring up the point of is when a purpose, when a person loses purpose to get up, get dressed, go to work, you know, and function in society, that's a very slippery slope to becoming

1:27:22 a non-value adding factor in society. Two. And a substance abuser that usually comes along with that. Free time because you have to find a way to escape your reality. And that's when, yeah, exactly. So don't with those things you laid out. Now you see this perfect storm. You have mothers at home that's really forced to be at home because if they go to work, they lose their check. They have a system that said they can't have a man in the house. And then you take, they have children that they can't control by themselves because it takes two parents to raise a household. I mean, now, what that two parents consist of is your choice, not mine.

1:28:03 But I think children wear you down. It takes two children, you know what I'm saying? Two parents to raise a child because it's just a child is a full-time job. And they're resource-sucking scourge that just hangs on to you. Yes, you need to share that burden. Right. That's very true. And then you take that. So you have a woman isolated, no man, no job. And then you pump in tons and tons of cocaine and drugs into the community. And what could possibly go wrong? And we've seen this now. When we saw it in the 80s, it was black people's problem.

1:28:40 But when you have the same set of circumstances with opioids and mess white communities, it's a health crisis. Yep. And this is what, this is what when people don't look at that the same way, when conservatives don't look at that in the same light, that's when they lose traction with their talking point. Also shaped by decades of movies and television and popular entertainment. It is embedded into our minds, Mo. Yes. Yes. So, and then last point, and then we can get into number one.

1:29:22 We've already seen universal basic income rolled out in the pilot plan called disability. Because if you go to the right lawyer, you can get disability for anything in America. That's probably true. I don't know. Is this number one? No, but I'm bringing that up. But just, yeah, look at the commercials. Call here. You know what I'm saying? You want disability? You don't call here. And he's like, you said it's a burnout. Ah, you know, I'm just mental fatigue and my back tweak, you know, and you get there. But let's go into number one. Problem number one: unquestioning allegiance to so-called progressive policies.

1:30:01 Unwavering loyalty to progressive liberal policies is the primary reason these dire conditions persist. It both makes them possible and perpetuates them. It's no coincidence that progressivism is the common thread that binds predominantly black cities where single-parent homes, failing schools, rampant poverty, and crime predominate. Look at cities like Detroit, Philadelphia, and Baltimore. They've been run by progressive Democrats for decades. If their liberal policies were at all effective, these cities should have become models of economic growth and prosperity. Instead, they're models of dysfunction. By fostering and exploiting the victim mentality, discouraging self-examination, subsidizing baby mamas, and making excuses for black thugs, so-called progressive policies don't alleviate the problems that afflict the black community.

1:30:52 They aggravate those problems. Well, it's a big claim, and it's one that's believed universally amongst groups for sure. Right. So I think number one is kind of umbrellas five through two. So we don't really need to harp on it that much. But if I'm seeing white conservatives use Malcolm X talking points to combat white liberals. Really? Yeah, I got it. And one of the memes I've seen is Malcolm X white liberals.

1:31:29 White liberals who have pulled as our friends. White liberals who have been eager to point out what the white man in the South has been doing to us while they themselves here in the North are doing the same thing. They have been making a great fuss over the South only to blind us to what is happening here in the North. And now that the eyes of America's 20 million blacks, you can easily see that this white fox here in the North is even more cruel and vicious than the white wolf in the South. The Southern wolves always let you know where you stand.

1:32:08 But these Northern foxes pose as white liberals. They pose as your friend, pose as your benefactor, pose as your employer. They pose as your landlord. They pulled as the neighborhood hurt you. They pulled as your lawyer trying to help you. They infiltrate all your organizations. And in this manner, by joining you, they stringle your militant efforts toward freedom, toward justice, and toward equality. They use integration for infiltration. Yes, Malcolm X, very complex topic, not well understood today.

1:32:48 Very complex topic, but he made one point in there that I just wanted to highlight. And I think the white conservatives use it to highlight that the white liberals infiltrate black movements. And I think we laid that out here with the NAACP with Black Lives Matter. And it continued. It just continues over and over again. But also in problem one, Talib laid out the effects of cities like Baltimore and how if progressive ideologies were so beneficial to black people as a whole, why are the black people living?

1:33:29 living in the conditions they are in Baltimore? I'm glad that he pointed out. I'm glad that he put him on blast because people in West Balm have been putting Elijah Cummins on him on blast for years. Ever since he's been in office, he never did anything for us. Like I said, if he's supposed to be from this neighborhood, like I said, supposed to be, the rats just didn't come. These houses just didn't get to allow them. They've been like this. If he would take the time out to come over here and see how things are, maybe he'll be better at his job. Thank you. Yeah, put him on blast lady.

1:34:06 I liked her a lot. I've seen her. All right. So she's, I mean, for people not familiar, she's talking about Donald Trump's comments about rat infested Baltimore concerning Elijah Cummings. Let's listen to this Citizen 2 speak. That's terrible. Meanwhile, they're worried about the kids at the border. Right, exactly. But this is how actual American citizens got to live and deal with. I wonder how the Mexican, like, be living in this house with all this. Tell me I didn't have rats and votes. He told me I was lying.

1:34:49 So they bring up a good point that Tyler didn't even bring up. And it's strange to see that he didn't. And this, why didn't he bring up illegal immigration? That seems like low-hanging fruit. Being joined now by Mr. Ted Hayes. He's a civil rights activist. Thank you for being with us, Mr. Hayes. So can I ask you about this? Do you agree or disagree with the poll? Do you think, do African Americans think that illegal immigrants take jobs away from them? Absolutely. I don't know where this other person is getting their information from, but I'm on the ground out here in Los Angeles. We call LA occupied Los Angeles because we have lost all of our rights. Essentially, black people in LA have indemnified.

1:35:33 We can't even go into neighborhoods that were once black for fear of getting shot, beaten up, threatened, what have you. So, no, it's not just about jobs, housing, education, healthcare. It's about our 14th Amendment birthright that they're stealing from us. And I don't blame the people. I do not blame the people. I blame our government for failing to protect us according to the Constitution of the United States. Yeah, this is not just something that's being discussed in black communities, but white communities as well. I mean, I'm in Texas, Texas, and people are like, well, hold on a second. You know, we've got the Sanctuary City in Austin, and yet we have American citizens who are sleeping under I-35. This is move more to the forefront for sure. And what

1:36:19 the gentleman brings up a great point. It's not about the people coming here because it's understandable why they would want to come here. The question is, why are they allowed to? Because they're better voters. Once we get them legal, and that may not even be necessary, they'll vote for whoever helped them. That's human nature. That's true, but their second generation typically votes more conservative. Once you get a foothold in America and you start voting your pocketbook, they start voting more conservatively, as numbers show. Oh, really?

1:36:58 I didn't realize. Because what we saw was even on the border states for people, Hispanic people that were here established. Oh, they're pretty much against illegal immigration. Absolutely. Right. So I think it's short-sighted of the Democrats, the progressive, or whatever you want to call them. Yeah, the first generation that comes here will. But if you're successful, you're going to vote your pocketbook as you should. And if lower taxes is your thing, or those kind of things, you're going to start to see them swing back to be more conservative. But I just wonder why a right-wing think tank wouldn't bring up illegal immigration and its impact on

1:37:45 black people. You mean it's one of the top five in this list? Or part of the top five. Sure. Why not? It sticks out as a sore thumb to me. And is it that actually right-wingers at the elite level benefit also from illegal immigration? Absolutely. Of course they do. This is why nothing ever changed. Both sides benefit at the elite level. Sure. And that's the hunch that I had that out of all these talking points, the one that you could really sell black people on that out.

1:38:25 that illegal immigrants are stealing your birthright, as this man says. They're using the 14th Amendment, where it was set aside exclusively for black people that were slaves in this country to become citizens. They're using that as a loophole for quote-unquote anchor babies. Let's listen to part two. Well, do you agree with President Trump then that illegal immigration hurts black citizens more than it does other Americans? Oh, there's no question about it. And not just in the physical realm of jobs and housing, healthcare, but it's the whole realm of our identity.

1:39:04 For example, you've heard of anchorism. That is anchor babies, but women come to the country illegally and they have a baby and that child becomes a citizen. That is totally wrong. That belongs to slaves. Hold on, you're saying that's you're talking about anchor babies. I mean, I want to touch on that. So you are against the so-called anchor babies, the babies that were born in the United States, given our Constitution a constitutional right that those children are American citizens. So you disagree with that law? That is not true. They've twisted that. It's a custom. If you please take the time and you go to my website and you can study tedhays.us.

1:39:45 They have twisted the 14th Amendment to mean them. And it's not. Read the Civil Rights Act of 1866 where it identifies slaves. That was who it's for. Yeah, this is a misinterpretation. And why, I ask again, if you're really trying to persuade black people, which I honestly think this think tank is trying to do. I mean, it's a political strategy because we talked about the negative vote. And then if you could turn the negative vote to swing to your side, that's a double hit to the Democrats. Why wouldn't you use this one big talking point? Hey, they're stealing your birthright.

1:40:25 You know, you should have right-wing pundits yelling this from the rooftops if you really want to get African Americans to pay attention to what you're saying, but you don't hear it. And that goes to show you that think tanks are all about calculated measures. It's not about what's best for the people. And that's why I wanted to do this segment here is to show you that it's all about propaganda on both sides, trying to swing people either way. And this particular issue is not just about southern border South Americans coming up. I would say Silicon Valley is incredibly complicit in this. Of course, this is where a lot of the money is.

1:41:10 If you go look in Portland, and this is not necessarily an illegal immigration issue, but if you look at the H-1B visas, which are given out to Indians who have highly educated skills in engineering, electronic engineering, computers, et cetera, who do not mind living six to a one-bedroom apartment, that's doing the exact same thing. And it does deal with the comprehensive immigration status that we have that will one day be reformed, but I don't see it ever being reformed. Nobody wants to get rid of their special pool of people. And I see

1:41:56 the point you make. And I raise you, LA Times, August, because what I want to do is, before I say this, I think illegal immigration at the southern border takes more of the brunt than they should, as you just laid out. And one of the topics not being discussed is LA Times, Asian anchor babies, wealthy Chinese come to Southern California to give birth. Yep. And that's August 26, 2015. Oh, yeah. And what they do is they come here, actually rent out huge homes where numerous amounts of mothers that are in the third trimester fly over here.

1:42:40 They set up these like basically like these spas. And it says they have their kids. Slipping from the article, it said the website of one birthing center, that's what they call them birthing center, suggests that 4,000 Chinese women have been serviced since 1999. And these aren't poor people. No, no, not at all. They just want the, they just want the American American passport, the American citizenship. Right, the dual citizenship. Yeah, and I was just looking up. There was just a story about this the other day. There's an island.

1:43:20 that we own, as in America owns, and they're and they have a lot of tourism. I can't remember the name of the island now, so I have to look up. And they are asking for the federal government's help because people are coming to this beautiful island, and it's like, oh, this is beautiful for tourism, which is their main industry. But now there's so many, and I have to find this. The guy who we're talking about, I think, is the governor of the island. He said, you know, he didn't, he didn't say Chinese, he said Asian, but they're, you know, they're coming here and they're coming here to have children and then have the American citizenship and then start the train.

1:44:02 So I say to right-wing conservative talking point writers or think tanks, and I even say to Donald Trump, if you want to get black people to listen, you need to raise this issue because black people are more than well aware, as this gentleman outlined, that they have illegal immigrants have come into our communities and pushed us out. And actually, Democratic and progressive politicians have pushed us to the back burner for illegal immigrants and illegal immigrant issues. So I don't.

1:44:44 Yes, that is exactly what has happened. And I don't think anything is going to change until the people collectively call for it. And that would mean a lot of exposition of information, as you've done here expertly today, for people to really understand that certainly when it comes to this, we're all being hoodwinked. It doesn't make anybody richer what's going on with illegal immigration. So what would you conclude, you know, hearing all this? And I really appreciate what you've done here with looking at both sides, conservative as well as progressive. Doesn't seem like anybody is giving anybody a break, really. No, an elite is an elite.

1:45:28 I think that's the summary of what we take from this. I think we'd be better off having conversations with people in everyday life, like we do on this podcast every day. I mean, every show. And we get to find out what's in the weeds that, you know, don't use these talking points because you get, when you lead off with a talking point, like black on black crime or, you know, from the left, if you lead out, oh, victim, you're saying victimology, it ruins the conversation. I mean, let's use nuance, have intelligent conversations, and we'll realize that

1:46:11 the non-elite people suffer from the same issues or issues that are based in similar things. This has been very educational for me. It came up with a couple of things that I realized I was thinking about in a limited way. I appreciate that. And it just, you know what, Mo? I just can't wait for the next episode. Every Monday, I'm like, I like Mondays. This is where we get to do some fun stuff. I enjoy it as well. And I'm saying it's great company and great conversation. Mofax.com is where you can find out more. And on the next show, I'll be telling you how you can help out with this podcast. As I think we are now officially kind of established. It looks like we're going to be doing this for a while.

1:46:55 And thanks. And thanks to the pie father. You can find me at the Apple store as well. He'll play his cards. And as I always say, if you pay attention to everything, the truth will reveal itself. We'll talk to you. Have a great day. We'll talk to you next time, everybody. Right here on MoFax with Adam Curry, MoFax.com. Take care. It's so nice to see you all the folks you love together. Nobody knows the next time we see each other.

1:47:50 Maybe years and years from now. We gotta have another family. It'll be nice. It'll be so nice. together. You know, the family is the solution to the world's problems today. Now, let's take a look at the family. In the family, the father is like the head, the leader,

1:48:38 the director, not domineering, but showing love, guidance, and wisdom. We all come together no matter what color, race, creed, because that's all in the head, whether you want to believe it or not. Because you believe, it'll be nice, so nice, so nice.