River City Talk(Classic May 7, 1996) Jeff Davis Vs Religious Paganism [0BlPvkbuumU]

00:00 I love Mike Hanson Archives. Whether it's hot, whether it's cool Oh what a spark for whistling like a fool What a fine day to take the stroll And wander by the fishing hole Like a bank off a better way To pass the time of day

00:53 so We'll have no need to call the roll When we get to the vision hole There'll be you, me and old dog Trey To doodle time away If we don't pull a perch or bass We'll cool our toes in dewy grass Or else pull up a weed to chaw And maybe set and jaw

01:34 Hangin' around, takin' our eave Watchin' that hound a-scratchin at his flee Come on take it Welcome to River City Talk, my name is Mike Hanson and we are coming to you live from the studios here at ACTV in beautiful East Austin. River City Talk is a live call-in show So, give us a call here at 477-ACTV or 477-2288 if you want to talk live on the air. May 7th 1996 we're coming to ya live! River City Talk comes to you from 9pm to 1030 pm right here on channel 16.

02:27 let me just say tonight we have two evangelists from near fort worth that drove in to talk to us and we also have jeff davis. he has a little bit of a slant on what they're going to probably say, i would probably say so myself Let me go ahead and introduce, first of all we got Joyce Vineyard. Thanks for showing up tonight I know you had a long drive and we have her husband Gary Vineyard and we have Mr Jeff Davis. I'm still here

03:05 And let me just say about Jeff Davis, y'all don't know him because you're from out of town. But we've had Jeff Davis on in the past and nobody have we had any more on the comment line to have back? They asked for Jeff Davis to come on because I guess he's controversial, I don't know but anyway we have him back, we haven't had you on since November so and let me just say he has his own... We have to let ya play a little bit. But you have your own show and it comes on from 830-1030 on channel 16 tomorrow night which is Wednesday yes sir alrighty Let me go ahead and start off Jeff

03:50 Well, I'd rather get it before I know what we're... What we want to talk about. We got some props here tonight. We want to talk a little bit about the origin of Christmas and Easter and Halloween. Well, I'd kind of like to get into it if i could. Well we can get into anything you want. Get a little bit about their background, a little bit about organized religion... Okay go ahead and tell us what your all about We want y'all to get involved here at 477-2288 We're coming to you live May 7th 1996 Okay, Joyce. Can you start off about a little bit about your ministry sure my Gary and I are non-denominational Evangelist we are probably more charismatic or Pentecostal than we are as far as organized religion goes We feel like that organized religion was result of the crucifixion in Rome And it was Romes answer to Christ's crucifixion okay, Gary well through our religion also would believe that the Word of God is literally has written and

04:55 And that also, he's the same as he was yesterday and today and forever. We stand on that faith without compromise or defense for it because it defends itself I believe totally. What about Christmas? Do you think we should be celebrating Santa Claus' and... I believe we should celebrate the birth of Christ to me that nativity is Basically what Christmas is all about. I celebrate every day of his birth that he was born just that he might come and save this world and not to condemn it Okay, Jeff well let me just mention at first off I Just as an opening statement. I want to just I want to just ask see not knowing you all from really from Adam I mean, I just met y'all five minutes ago

05:42 You say you have a structure church ministry? We have the home church, but we are evangelists. Okay is your particular church tax exempt at this time no okay Is it do you follow doctrines from either the world or the National Council of Churches? No, I'll follow the Word of God that's good see the fact okay now The fact is you all might not be exactly my main target because as far as a religious, what I call religious racket is concerned. Because there's a lot of phony baloney foolishness in this organized religious thing. Yes We agree with that. Okay so now we understand that concept... I believe Jesus was an unreligious man and also

06:37 He was sent to save the whole world as a whole and that the whole body of Christ is the church, not just one say Baptist or Methodist or whoever. I believe they were all to be Christians and live like he did and then therefore you know we're as one not as separate individual little persons. I believe he didn't discriminate in anything in that sort. Okay, I want to just mention first off You are aware December 25th possibly could not have been Christ's Day of Birth. Okay, you're aware of that? Yes! Okay understanding that and I guess we were to move to the Christmas element of all this. Christmas actually Santa is actually

07:24 Nimrod the old king of the origins of Santa go back to the nimrod the King of Babylon Okay, you know can I know it all that? okay, the December 25th is the day of the winter solstice a day that starts the two met too weak festival midwinter Festival of the heathen and Okay, my question then to you or I guess to any religious person out there particularly the ministers is why would you continue to celebrate December 25th which quite frankly again couldn't be Christ's birthday because he was born in Israel when Jerusalem when the sheep herders were mending the flocks and whatnot. Why would you continue

08:13 to celebrate this abomination and mockery of Jesus Christ with the trees, with the exchange of gifts and all of this. Why is organized religion still participating in these types of abominations? I don't have an answer Jeff for organized Christianity. I can only tell you that I celebrate Jesus Christ every day. So same with me also We believe that God gave His greatest gift on that day. Therefore, the only thing we do is fruits of His ministry and so forth and we try to offer those someone every day the gift of salvation. And therefore everyday we try and present that gift as God gives Jesus a sacrifice that the whole world might be saved. So you put up your Christmas tree and exchange your gifts?

09:03 Jeff I do so what are you calling? What a minute that it's right, okay We're talking wrong. Wait a minute. Okay then I want to talk about the Christmas tree So you're saying if we put up for Christmas tree what what what's going on here? Okay Christ It got so bad as at least 16 times in the Bible Christ ordered his disciples to cut down the groves of trees because the heathen Worshipping idols under these groves of tree. This is the origins of your tree and So basically anybody that also the exchange of gifts There's only one time in the Bible where there was exchange of gifts in the book of Revelations Where Christ was actually killed but had crucified and the heathen celebrated His crucifixion by

11:32 skeptical and quite frankly Mike I've got to admit these were not the kind of people that i thought i was going to be debating it doesn't look like there's gonna be too much debate because largely they're in sequence with what im saying here but the fact is... I'm sure we'll find something here pretty soon Well, they've admitted that Christmas is a fraud. Well I haven't admitted that yet! Well that's you... but the debate is you're not in the debate. It's not that I'm.... But the thing is, I celebrate it because... Because it feels good! Okay Now this new world or now This is another if you study if you studied the World Council of Churches and the National Council of you don't even know where they originated from what? Okay. Yeah, well my question then would again would be to an organized religions Minister which above which year are really or not Is why is there this this this tyranny that

12:34 pounding down on us under the name of a New World Order. and this new modern Babylon, what I'd call it. But yet it's going unchecked. These churches are fighting amongst themselves they're fighting amongst doctrines and all of this bickering going on why this modern Babylonian system is going unchecked? Well the Bible teaches in the last days there's gonna be false prophets false doctrines and false teachers And I think we're seeing those manifest even now today and have been for years to come And even in the next future, I believe it's even gonna get worse as we go on before Jesus comes again. Okay well... And I believe he'll come soon Well again there is not alot of uh... There really not... I just wanna do you all familiar with Easter and Ezekiel 8? How the where Easter sunrise The origins of Easter sunrise Where the heather were setting We're worshiping the Sun towards the East I know what people set up basically

13:33 Saying that you know what they're celebrating but again It's the resurrection of Christ the death burial and resurrection as far as what they think there, you know so forth with but that we've got wickedness all around that's right Okay And God said as long as you continue to hear my word and obey my laws. We will be a blessed people yes however if you if you turn away from my laws and my word, we will be a cursed people. And I would submit that's exactly where we're at right now because we have walked away in these churches, we got little choir singing and some people shaking. There is not real worship going on in these churches as long as we continue to celebrate Easters and Christmas

14:22 Pagan holidays, we're going to eat the wrath of God. He's not going to save us Can I tell you a little story? We got a caller I think online but can I tell you a story Jeff You know, we recently had a had a prayer service for the Branch Davidians that were killed I went to my church and I asked them could you mention this To the people in the church that were having a prayer service for the individuals that were killed in Waco three years ago You know that the people at my church told me no. We will not mention that, but I tell you what Jeff and Gary and

15:01 Joyce, they can sure get up there and mention that we're going to run down or walk down Congress for unborn babies. That to me is hypocrisy! If we're going to have a prayer service for unborn babies then I think my issue's in church so you know what I did? I quit the Church over that. I really did. I quit the church over that, and I won't mention the church on name so I am kind of getting disgusted with organized religion myself One thing we have to learn is that Satan is alive and well in this world. He wants the body of Christ separated and put apart by religions, new false religions... I believe in the same as it was in Acts 2, that the Spirit of God is alive today as it was then

15:53 and so forth that through this time that we're getting in now, he wants people to get mad and walk out. There's mad churches a mile down the road where people... Yeah but just because you don't go to church doesn't mean that you can't worship God That's right. And if you think I have any less faith because I quit that church Oh no! I don't Do we have a caller on the line? Hello? Yes, go right ahead. Okay. Uh yes I've been listening for a few minutes and y'all seem pretty intelligent and you studied religion extensively it appears. Not me! I like to come from the atheist point of view...

16:33 Just first of all, I'll say that we frankly cannot see why you would pray to basically what is in essence a theory. And if you have been able to find any evidence to prove that a God exists... Have you been able to show it anybody? Or can you come up with a god in the first place? Otherwise its all very extensive and complex and intelligent and emotional but still just a big theory. And base your whole life on it seems very foolish Okay, can who wants to start off? Well frankly that there's some certain points of atheism that I think are actually There's some validity to it the problem that I have with the atheist though however is they can sit there and say that Christmas isn't is false and all they could they can tear up a

17:23 the organized religion real well, but they don't do a very good job of explaining why we should be tearing... Why is Christmas a hoax? The fact is these things do have origins. And the Bible's not a place where you can get any of those origins so just to sit there and say that And that's true. No one has ever seen God, at least other than Moses or... You can't actually prove an existence but the fact is to me it makes the most sense that there is some supreme power instead of all just coming out of the Big Bang Theory you can't prove that as well so any way you go scientifically or any other way you can't actually prove the existence of it

18:12 I am in complete agreement with you there. thing for you to do is try and prove it to be a fact, if in fact you want it to be a fact I guess. Is to do research and find some evidence that can prove your theory otherwise basically if you can't find any evidence thats actually verifiable then basically science says that it has to remain as a theory and you cant really logically consider it a fact and thats where religion as a whole not just organized religion but religion as a whole doesn't

18:51 watch i mean if you have to find his seriously a serious scientist exactly what creationism means and it's just a very basically really picture all our planet meant to do some terrible things i mean throughout history religion is called great deal of time sure we can all agree that wars well over it and i do agree with all that but that that's only because than my from my perspective that's only because the actual essence of the book, which I believe for one has been tampered with. But regardless even if you accept even the basics premise of this book it's man wicked men generally in organized religions whether it be Catholic Inquisition or whatever was that is creating these wars we're talking about thats men wicked men are perpetrating

19:42 so much as what's in this book here. But you want to separate the reason from the act and the actor, you know? Humans did bad deeds too but the reason is always there and can never be erased even though you can ignore it all you want but religion is the reason for many of the terrible things I mean yeah the crusades and expansion position that jones town massacre and the branch to be in debacle whatever you want to call it i mean if anybody really supports religious people shooting back at us government for god i'm sorry this is a mistake well we don't know we don't agree with that sir i can guarantee you know how about our first of that had nothing to do with real soviet go ahead say they'll see that the point is that there's a whole religious element to religious equation

20:29 In my perspective, the sky is used by the wicked rulers of the days. So you shouldn't condemn the book or a belief in a supreme being just because wicked rulers like the people that are in control of this world today, the ones that create and finance wars and finance World Councils of Churches and huge religious organizations. And this whole religious racket we're caught up in You have to hit it at its source, and that being the international bankers and the people who control wealth and have through centuries created methods of frauds to rob and rule over people. And then use their religious racket as a device to get people fighting and quarreling amongst themselves. That's exactly what they're doing now with all these different denominations. They got them fighting amongst all different doctrines in different tongues

21:30 while they're ruling over the world, essentially. Let's let Joyce get in here real quick, Collar. Well it sounds to me like that a lot of what is happening today is exactly what was described to us in the book Revelation and you really need to take time to sit down and read God's word before you decide that its none effect, that God is not god The Bible was written by man and revelation has been going on since it was written, and before then. How do you explain the fact that the Bible has stood for 2,000 years? Scientists have spent over millions of billions of dollars trying to prove creation.

22:10 It's called force genocide against anybody or any group of people who do not agree with Christianity and that's basically why Christianity is the big thing in the United States because I mean like the black man we forced him to come over here and be Christian. We forced the American Indians To die, and then the ones that live got a be Christians Do you have something better to offer? What's up? Do you have something better to offer? Oh yes, oh my goodness yes. Thank you for asking too! Let me just make a point. See where I think your wrong Collar and I appreciate your perspective but where I think most people are wrong in the whole logic of all this is that you're still leaving out that element that I told you about there are wicked people who actually create these religious systems

22:57 for their own gain. I believe that there are people who control the political parties and keep people in the Democrat-Republican camps, they're controlling them through different issues left wing right wing And this whole religious racket is just another element of their control. So you can't necessarily blame the mechanism without at least understanding the brain behind it, and you have to understand the brain behind people who use this religious racket to control and then create wars. You can't tear it down into this though and say just because of this

23:38 uh... is why we've had all these religious wars it's because of the wicked forces information in this book and other sources that control and manipulate the public to those names i think if you're going to take into account much dot at least after so where the evidence lies and where exactly the god is because all we have a setbook and a bunch of talk about rhetoric and a lot of shame for us far as they are far as the associate ever community okay well when i went out what did they Grand Canyon a few years ago and then the little 18 year old girl sat there and told me that well scientific studies have proven it The Grand Canyon was created eighteen hundred eighteen billion years ago. I'm sorry my friend, but to me That could be just as much of a phony tale is any God that's written in this book Well, that's what they say It just makes a whole lot more sense

24:34 So what do you believe? We came from apes, sir. Isn't that what faith is all about? Let me ask the preacher! about that will let me ask the preacher you're bound down to your government slave masters every day i can't talk to your partner but being run by the christian coalition pop-up now and i a m now that net company how are they not only exposing yourself as somebody at least on this doesn't understand what's happening yesterday after here though i mean it doesn't matter which you can prove that jeff let me have another problem with our country today is we start listening to the immorality and so forth

25:23 and we're seeking man's knowledge instead of God's knowledge. The Bible teaches to press in, yes I found a God on my knees and he touched me many times I didn't have to beg to him. No, he's all around us. He is omnipresent. No, he is in my heart and soul. Well, I know you do brother. God bless you. Okay sir let me get on some more calls! Thanks for calling! I actually want to say that I have listened to Miss O'Hare on some of her, and she's actually quite right on a lot of the religious... The pagan... Did she die? Because nobody can find her. But the fact is they're actually right on a lot of these origins of this nonsense that we see today but the problem with them is they don't give the actual origin why that their opposed to it They just say its nonsense Don't we have to have faith though That's right

26:25 Okay, is line two on? Did they put line two on for me? Oh. They just gave us something God knows where she is It's in the Chronicle She's missing Somebody just hand me this Right here Can you get that Jeff? Before we press on her I got a question for y'all Get the newspaper and read it Anybody who studied the Puritan age and the elements of this country was founded upon Knows that it was the religious leaders of that day. That stood up against the tyranny of the British government Anybody that studied knows that that's right Where are they today we have a government? That's running amok We had we have governments that are seizing people's properties taking away our rights and where the religious leaders today

27:11 I don't know if you can answer that or not. You there, caller? First of all, you keep referring to religious leaders and we've got 900 religions out here and not enough Christians period! But where does it say in the Bible that were supposed to be Christians? Does it say anywhere in the Bible... How many times is Christian even mentioned in the Bible? Paul used it twice. But the fact is, do you understand my point? The point is this book... I mean Moses God sent Moses into Egypt to free his people from bondage. God doesn't want His people living on this earth as slaves, but these religious racket-people are allowing it to happen. But we're going to be raptured though? I call them the... You said that we were going to be raptured Jeff though and then we... No, I don't say that's what they said! Do you believe that we're gonna be raptured before this new world order comes? Oh yeah, I believe before the tribulation starts. This is where y'all are gonna disagree.

28:13 States, behold I come quickly. And it also says that he'll come as he left. Are they going to put some calls on for us? Hello! Hello. Yes. I have a question for you. For who? Turn that box up we can't hardly hear in here. Hello. Yes go ahead. I was wondering if the two people in the middle could define the word pagan for me. Pagan I would like to know this, not of God. Not of God? Not of God! Okay because see...I am a pagan but i feel that that I worship god and I worship Jesus. I feel that Jesus was a very good leader. I feel he was a wonderful example for us to live by. I don't necessarily put him on a pedestal. I feel that He is my brother just as you are my sister. But I'm wondering

29:10 Did you say you were a pagan, ma'am? I am a pagan. And my definition of paganism is any belief that is non-Christian. Okay... I have been to many Christian faith churches and so forth. That makes sense. Something that's not of God, you said. Any belief that is not Christian. Not of God but my definition of a pagan is any belief that is not Christian And that's what Webster defines it as too. But I'm also wondering why... You agree with that, Jeff? I am also wondering why does the Christian faith call me the enemy? I mean, I love all of you up there! I am considered your enemy but why can't you not love ME?! Why are YOU considered THE ENEMY?? Because I don't go according to your rules!!

30:02 I don't look at you as a... You killed many of my ancestors in the past before their beliefs because they would not conform to your beliefs, which i respect. But I just did not have that personal relationship with God through an organized religion Well, I don't either so why? I don't know what's your point. I don't belong to an organized religion. I don't belong to organized religion anymore either. For the definition of pagan You will find that it's any religion that is not Christian. And I feel that a lot of people get a bad rap by being called pagan or heathen

30:40 My understanding of heathen, which is Latin origin, is those from the heath. Those that lived in the woods or as we would call today hillbilly. Well Jeff Davis has said that Christmas... He has told me in the past when he's been on this show that me putting up a Christmas tree and celebrating Easter These are all pagan holidays. I mean, the Christian faith had a lot of competition. They had to convert holidays in their own name so that people would go along with it. that overshadow the pagan holidays. I mean, I have no complaints against Christianity. I believe the Bible is probably one of the best books ever written." Well that's not Christianity what you're talking about... The Christmas, the act of Christmas is probably the biggest abomination of Jesus Christ all year long

31:33 I consider it a celebration of the seasons though. How is that evil? Well, because like I said... God created these seasons and they are beautiful and through these seasons I can see the beauty of God and I can be reminded daily and I can drive down I-35 and not flip someone off because they cut me off. love these people anyway. I understand where you're coming from, you can celebrate the seasons if that's what you want to do But don't use Jesus Christ's name to mock it, because it has got to be the biggest mockery of Jesus. And let me tell you this goes against organized religion, because organized religion is in fact doing that." I feel that organized religion goes against the Bible! That's exactly my point! So we're really not on that much of a disagreement. That's what I feel but church – I'm not trying to put labels – but church and

32:31 they persecute me for my beliefs. I mean, I can't walk around with a big pentagram on my shirt which to me represents my harmony with God, with Jesus, with my planet it keeps me aware. I would never wear a cross which is the same as wearing a little miniature electric chair or a little gun or something Well, actually what you've said well I'm personally not that much in disagreement with you. But people view me as a Satanist which i don't even believe in Satan. I believe we are all capable of committing evil just as we are capable of doing good. So you don't believe in heaven or hell ma'am? I do believe that when we all die we will be judged and in a sort of way but we will all be one collective energy

33:26 I mean, a lot of people don't like that because they go oh you're a Christian. I don't like to be labeled names because people have pre-whatever idea is already in their head what a Christian is and they have closed minds about it I try to keep an open mind to every religion and every thought because I have learned by keeping my heart open, and all those doors opened. I can hear God so much. I'm thankful that I'm hearing y'all because I am influenced by God through you. Well Jesus says in John 3 17... Our God sir please our God. You're still my brethren. But John 317 says he came into the world to save it not to condemn it

34:11 and the church that we belong to, and the fellowship that we belong to. We don't go out condemning others for what they do or for what they believe. We believe our God's a god of love peace and joy Okay ma'am let me move on we got some other calls Thank you so much for calling Hello Hello. Yes, welcome to River City Talk! Thank you very much I can barely hear you but I have a question for Jeff about the Christian holidays. Yes sir? I agree with you about your facts about the origins of the holidays completely and totally even the Yule log being a sun worship in the Christmas holiday but there's also a symbol in ancient Egypt where they would take wafers into their bodies and believe that they became gods with that have ever heard of that?

34:59 No, and some people think that the wafers used in the communion have then become that and at the point I'm trying to make here is that when Jesus said about at The supper with his followers He changed the symbolism of the wine and the elements to be a Christian symbol, right? Yes. He changed it from the ancient Egyptians from freedom he said now this will now be a symbol for my body and my life that I give for you And to me when i look at christian holidays such as Christmas I see that as the past, different believers have taken a heathen holiday and said no longer we're going to take this now make this a Christian holiday. We're gonna possess it just like Jesus changed one symbol and made it holy we are going to change these other symbols and make that

35:50 So as a Christian, when I celebrate Christmas, I don't see myself as celebrating all the heathenism and the pathatrocities. When I celebrate it, I'm celebrating the birth of Jesus Christ! My Lord Jesus! See Jeff that's what I believe too. Well let me just mention first off, you know it couldn't be the birth of Jesus Christ. That could not be the birthday The Bible tells us that it has to be the best, best guides are like August-September. Secondly why is so bad? You have to go back first off what God said about following His laws and following what He believes...what we tell Him to do. Okay basically the laws back in Leviticus Deuteronomy they're not

36:35 It's not a book about a dictatorship. There are basically laws in there to help us, the food laws and private property laws all of these laws which I generally try to adhere to. God told us if we follow strict to his word and to his guidance we will be a blessed nation however if we don't we will be a cursed nation And I think if we continue to sit around in our folly and participate in days like December 25th that are set up completely around Babylonian origins, trees, gift exchange and everything that's anti-Christ associated with that day. And then put it under the name of Christ

37:23 How are we going to be a blessed nation? This is why we're in the mess that were in. This is why we've got this new world order pounding down on us! If we expect to be a blessed people and a nation taken care of, there's no way you can justify this folly and feel-goodness that we're participating in... ...and then turn around say God deliver us from this tyranny that's coming down our way. Let's get Joyce involved in the conversation Jeff, then we'll get Gary. We'll take another call before we go to break. If you're celebrating Christ if he's what you're worshiping. He's what you're thinking about? Here's what who you're praying to then I can't I still don't understand how it can be wrong, I think I think that if you're Blessing him blessing his name lifting him up just said it was wrong You just said it was everything about it was with the origins were we're from yes are wrong

38:34 But how is it received in your spirit today? Look, if it's wrong and its anti-Christ How could you participate in that and then turn around say God delivers from a new world order when we ourselves as supposedly his children are Conducted in such atrocities. It's hypocrisy Okay, did you have anything to add? We're gonna take another call before we go to break Gary. Well my whole thing is the first thing about everything is that we strive to serve Jesus Christ and To be like him as close as we can be and the Bible says there's none righteous No Not one And my whole thing is I'm going out on the first load when he comes again I'm not gonna be waiting for this second because I know his promises are simple in their truth Okay Let's take another call before we got a break they might put that line two on for us Hello They might put the line 2 1 4 s

39:33 Hello? Yes. If you don't like organized religion, that just leaves disorganized religion. What would be the advantage of that Jeff? I just think that God gave us a book and we're to study that book and read that book learning as best we can congregate amongst ourselves but it doesn't have to be people trained in seminaries with free masonry origins. It doesn't have to be huge building structures with temples and Nimrod's penis, the old steeple sticking up. It doesn't have to all of this monkey business that it is today. That's exactly what it is you've got. You didn't say penis did you? Yes I did because that's exactly what the old... Every time you go into your religious church

40:26 And you got your old steeple up there. That goes way back to Babylon where the Babylonians were worshiping Nimrod's penis, shooting up towards the sun. That is what the origins of the steeple and obelisk are all about. So I don't think that God or Christ or anybody godly who doesn't want to participate in wickedness should be involved in anything like that." What's wrong gave us a book what's wrong with somebody who does understand the book trying to teach it someone? Who doesn't understand the book who wants to teach the book I don't see the problem because God's because Christ said that many will come under my name and we'll deceive me I'm suggesting that the people that are teeth that are teaching the book is

41:07 the religious racket people at the pulpits are not the ones that are there, they're the false prophets. So the ones that are deceiving many... That's what I'm suggesting. The ministers that have I've known it would be like McDonalds. It would be like McDonalds somebody going out there on a street corner and start selling hamburgers believing that they've got as good an operation as McDonald has. Don't you think if you try to get a job done That it makes more sense to organize it well. Let me ask you Charlie if the organized religion was so good Why are all of these problems? You've got you've got a tyrannical government, and people in high places running amok

41:55 You have a world government body being set up. If the religious organizations were so good and so righteous, why are they letting all of this go unchecked? Well it's like the minister said there... See, see the problem goes back to people with you know trying to do good taking religion out the public schools. Not that they were teaching religion there, but they discredited it through the public schools. A few years ago when you went out to do business, you did business

42:39 for the most part, with people who were trying to live by the commandments. Now you go out there and the commandments are not in their heart and they're not in their mind. I'd like to hear from others but as far as Christmas, who was it? Sammy Allred that said, ìWhen in Rome do as the Romanians doî? That's why we That's why we worship God and that's why we worship the birth of Jesus Christ at Christmas because that's what Christmas is about. Worshipping His birth, not the anniversary. Let me just interrupt you. Lighten up Jeff! Charlie now wait a minute now... Now that's what were told it was for

43:24 That's what we're told that it is for and as far as why didn't we not keep our the commandments in our hearts? Why should we we can just go to church at these churches and do a little bit of choir singing some hip shake And going ahead you go in and get put on our little bunny hats and are dressed junior up in his bunny suits On Easter feels too good. The way I that's what i worry about these walls and god's command it's well we've got all this feel good is a lot one more point one more point are used to work for a multinational company and then i had a young man but left the ministry i can't remember his name to save my life i told him that he had to make ten calls in five presentations today any simple that's alright

44:11 That boy was making 35 calls a day, and he was on his knees with people. And he was trying to help them and he was listening to their pain. You tell me that's not worth something? You don't know that organized religion is probably better than disorganized religion! I disagree. I think you do, Jeff but that's your nature! Well in the first place God's Word says that we need no one to teach us. When Jesus ascended the Holy Spirit was sent as a comforter and to be alongside us as the paraclete to teach us

44:52 So I think really what needs to happen here, and it's probably a lot of what Jeff is advocating in a way is that people need to sit down and read the Word of God for themselves. And quit believing what everybody's telling them. That's right! It all comes down to... Read God's Words period. Even if you look at the... Then I'll let you go again but if you look like there's no way anybody can justify the Inquisition of the Catholic Church this is history that has been left out millions of people were burned at the stake as labeled as heretics. My point is the people at the pulpits have been trained a certain way of thought, I call them the obey Caesar churches. They have been trained in a certain period and they're not doing what God wants them to do. Mostly just out of the word of God you know it teaches plainly Jesus says

45:44 in Matthew 28 that some had doubted they'd come to worship and they had doubted. And he says, all authority has been given to me in heaven and on earth go therefore make disciples of all the nations baptizing them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit teaching them deserve all things that I've commanded you and oh I'm with you always even until the end of age. Let me just read one thing before we go to a break here We got a call for the break. Okay, go ahead. Go ahead. Okay Jeremiah 10 if you already Jeremiah now how anybody could read Jeremiah 10 1 through 6 and still continue to put up their Christmas tree is ridiculous right here hear You're making me feel so bad. Yeah you the word which of the Lord spoketh unto you all house of Israel thus saith the Lord learn not the ways of the heathen And be denied dismayed at them

46:32 for the customs of the people are vain. For one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman with the axe." They deck it with silver and with gold and fasten it with nails and with hammers that it move not." Anybody that continues to put up the Christmas tree just plain has not read Jeremiah 10 verse 1 through 6 because right there tells you God's calling You're saying man in his Israelite people are you telling me when I get my two all children we go up now they can get our Christmas tree and deck it out And all this kind of stuff that we are what I'm telling you Mike is you want to ask me why? We're on the verge of eating a new world order. I'm telling you then I'm suggestions because we have walked away from God, and we were living in a fairy land

47:20 And we're doing things that make us feel good and we're seeking folly instead of doing what could be Preventing us from the tyranny that were facing as long as we continue to partake in these these these feel-good activities God's not gonna. Let's go to one more call before we got a break Hello? Yes. Yeah, this is the 19 year old with the big mouth. I want to get what I want to say about religion over with quick because I don't have much to add to y'all's conversation as far as that goes but...I'm a Frisbitarian and believe when you die your soul goes up on the roof and no one can get it down. Okay now let's move on from there. I wanna talk about uh... the tyranny i know Mr Jeff Davis loves to talk about the tyranny

48:08 As far as the secret societies of the rich and wealthy who control the organized religion, and who control the financial institutions of the entire world. But it's all tied into the same boat here? Yeah it is absolutely all tied into the same boat. And I don't like to get millennia fever and think oh you know here comes 2000 society going to collapse and Jesus is gonna come back All the heathens are gonna go to hell or you know, whatever but I am seeing a major change on the horizon and it's not for the better It's not going to be a new renaissance of goodness. It's gonna be evil people taking power and I know who they are They're evil men there the members of the committee at 300 that ancient Illuminati

48:50 and Freemasonry of course, but newer funded by David Rockefeller. All the members kept in check by Henry Kissinger and all his evil buddies, the Trilateral Commission, The Council on Foreign Relations, Bilderberg Group. Let me quote Barry Goldwater here he says, The Council on Foreign Relations is the American branch of a society which originated in England which is most likely the Illuminati, what he's talking about here and believes national boundaries should be obliterated and one world rule established. He continues the Trilateral Commission is international and it intended to be the vehicle for multinational consolidation of the commercial and banking interest by seizing control of the political government of United States with no apologies. That's Barry Goldwater. Let me just say one sentence

49:40 that also extends to the world council of churches, national councils. See this is what a lot of your so-called christians and feel goodists... they still get sucked into it. I want to ask Joyce and Gary what do they think about Do you think you're a field goodist or do you think you're doing something good? I think I worship Jesus Christ and Christ only, and that's that. The people in Jeremiah bowed down to the tree and worshipped it. I don't worship the tree. But if you put it up on December 25th, you might as well be. Well hey, I'd put a tree up too but that's only because I love exchanging gifts with my family. I'm not trying to celebrate Jesus or anything It's just a tradition And no, you are absolutely right Jeff, its not about celebrating the birth of Jesus Of course it is not his birthday Christmas is here

50:25 to keep the economy going because once a year we need that big boost of Christmas gifts. Without it our economy would have way collapsed long time ago. With your knowledge of the way it is, you should know that its actually much deeper than that It's actually goes way back to Babylon and the world peace. Its all tied into what you were talking about earlier. Its tied into the same mechanism You'll find the same people that are funding a Democrat Republican Party or bought up NBC and all of this I've also funded the World Council of Churches National Council of churches and all all of these these front groups UN and all of them are all have their same money base That's what that's why these over the religious racket won't touch it. Oh

51:13 That's why they're tax exempt and that's why they're frauds. Largely, you might find a little isolated pocket of resistance to some of these independent churches but largely the organized religious racket is a complete fraud just like the parties are like largely the media is and all the other front groups. Okay listen Jeff I want to say something about the break here we fixin take a break You know about this seizure property that the government has been doing I've been going on for a long time. Okay, well let me just say this... I recently met this girl that had some mushrooms in the back of her car did you know she got a felony for that?

51:55 Oh yeah, you can't have that much. But anyway we got it somebody had called in about uh... Well but what kind of just wait a minute I'm setting up three republic of texas members now in prison for her and jail for their political views. I'm trying to set up this video and we'll be right back in about five minutes but What it is, somebody called the comment line and left a deal on there about a woman that sent Mrs. Clinton some Indian article or something that's made out of feathers and they gave her felony for it Have you heard about this? Well, they came and seized a bunch of her property because she picked up some feathers and made something for Ms. Clinton but we finally got the tape to show what the woman's talking about and it was about 5 minute tape. And another woman made some kind of art or something with some feathers that she found on the ground and supposedly there is some kind

52:49 that you cannot make artwork out of feathers, which I think is the most ridiculous law that i've ever heard in my life. They came and seized stuff out of her art gallery. Let me just ask him a question while we talk about it. Do you defend the Bill of Rights? I mean, do you stand up to oppressive governments? Would you do that or are just kind of not even paying any attention what's going on around. How'd you feel about what happened in Waco? Do think the government should go in there driving tanks through the walls? No not at all. I think thats a total invasion over privacy but also think thats just a sign of times to come

53:27 before Jesus comes again. I believe that the Lord's gonna come again before it gets so bad, you know? I believe he's gonna come at that moment and there's gonna be people... Do you think the Christians in Waco should have stood up for what happened to these people? Do you think they should have made a stand for what happened? I think we should all make a stand together for anything that's happening. And that's the only way we're going to do anything for the Lord completely is to stand for Him and it says in the Bible basically, if He is force who can be against us We were there to save the kids but we killed them anyway Let me just say this before we go to break If we can get a shot of this

54:15 Can we get a shot of this? This right here is my grandpa and grandma. They just celebrate their 60th anniversary, I just want to mention that. Happy Anniversary! Okay we're going to break sixty years and will be back on River City Talk... Robert Lomadoo is a U.S. Fish & Wildlife agent in Ann Arbor Michigan over the course of the year his agency will seize tens of millions of dollars in personal property Like this Bengal tiger skin, bought by an undercover federal agent. On the open market it will bring up to $35,000 or the horn of a black rhino ground into powder that sells for six hundred dollars an ounce Then there are the claws have a great horned owl popular ornaments for rear view mirror from stuffed hoothouse to a smiling crocodile The exotic and bizarre fill Lomadoo's offices And then of course there are bird feathers

55:17 Judy Enright is a local artist. In September of 1993, she did just what an artist would do... She created! I had an old painting that i had done in Art School and it was pretty bad. And I thought well before I throw this out let's see. I threw on the floor but started throwing feathers on it and all the sudden it just came to life and I go oh I think I can do something. Judy says she collected the bulk of the feathers from her backyard, a haven for birds of all types It wasn't until she showed her painting at an art sale that Judy realized she was not only an artist but possibly a felon. Suddenly three men come up to me

55:59 And they look at me and they said, we're taking that. That's the first words out of their mouth When we went up and saw the feathers on the painting We realized that this was going to be a touchy situation and we tried to handle it as delicately as possible But to walk into an art fair and have to take a piece in art from an artist is not something we look forward To in the morning That, however was exactly what Lumadoo did. Accompanied by a federal feather expert, Lumadoo seized Enright's painting on the spot citing the violation of a law dating from 1918 The Federal Migratory Bird Act

56:36 What Mrs. Enright did was illegal, it was illegal to sell these bird feathers The first thing that hit me was they're gonna drop out of parachutes out of planes in my backyard and search my backyard I don't know then we have a lot of helicopters that go overhead now always wonder are they up there? It's the deal that we probably just couldn't walk away from because if we did I guarantee you there would be vendors or craft workers or whatever in the next art fair that would be selling feathers And sure enough, another feather felon came along. This time her name was Peggy Bargan I've had every emotion that you can imagine with this from start craving terror to thinking this can't be real She made the mistake of sending an Indian dream catcher a gift made of eagle feathers to first lady Hillary Clinton Although Bargain claims she picked the feathers off the ground at the zoo Fish and Wildlife was again unimpressed

57:33 Agents raided the shop, confiscating feathers and crafts. Bargan was indicted and pled guilty to a possible jail sentence. Spared a similar criminal prosecution, the de-feathered Enright could only shake her head wondering just how far will our government go? Many people call it you're making this up you just... You're seeking publicity! You're making it up! I said no I'm not making it up It actually happened People cannot believe this happened They are dumbfounded I'm a law and order kind of guy, but I did not know that a man does not have to be convicted in order to have his property seized. Now since this has happened to me many people have come to me and told me their experiences, experiences with friends and family where their property's been seized and they've not even been charged!

58:25 Mark Kristner also found himself caught in the expanding net of asset forfeiture. It was September 1992, and Fidel Castro had opened his doors letting a flood of dissidents out of communist Cuba. Kristner and his Cuban fiancée Anna Acosta were among the thousands who fled Most sought refuge in the United States. Kristner, however claims he was headed elsewhere The people on my vessel weren't saying take me to Miami They were saying leave me alone I'm going to Mexico The Coast Guard didn't buy Kristners story they charged him with transporting illegal aliens into the United States and seized his boat Then the government made a second seizure Kristners fiancee was taken off the boat and placed in a US detention camp at Guantanamo Bay

59:16 I speak with Anna on the telephone almost daily. That's the hardest part of this, you know? The boat...I could care less about it honestly For more than two years Kristner waited reading letters and watching videotape messages smuggled out of a detention camp Although he had obtained a visa for his fiancée The US would only release her back to the Cuban government A country from which there is no easy exit Well i don't have time fight for the boat If they gave me Anna, they could have the boat anyway. I feel they seized the boat wrongly but it's not on top of my mind." Some six months after we spoke with Mark he had managed to negotiate Anna's release from Guantanamo and entry into the United States where they were reunited The government meanwhile sold Kristner's boat for $4400

1:00:17 From an artist in Ann Arbor to the waters off the coast of Cuba, the incidence of asset forfeiture is growing in all areas of law enforcement. And as that power grows so does the call to curb it from the courts to Congress those winds are beginning to stir It should anger, it should infuriate every American We come to you from 9 p.m. to 1030 p.m., right here on channel 16, okay we're gonna move on to talk a little bit about UFOs and see what the church believes about that and we also got a caller. Hello? Okay Jeff let me go ahead start out with Joyce this time. Joyce what do you think UFOs are

1:01:14 I think they're demonic activity to keep our eyes off of Christ and get us confused on, and looking into...I mean looking for answers where there aren't any answers. Doesn't the Bible mention UFO's? The Bible says that there will be signs in heaven No in the past Ezekiel Have you read Ezekiel? Yeah it does, yeah it does. I'll have to let Jeff take that one. Well go ahead! Let me just ask her a question real quick Do you worship a cross Do I worship the cross? Yes. No, I worship Christ! Thank you good answer so many people worship a cross and you're not supposed to worship idols thank you very much what was i going oh every religion thinks they're right and if you don't conform to what they believe then they boot you out

1:02:00 There have been more people died in religious wars, which is really stupid and all the wars combined. Now why is this? Do you think God wanted this? I don't think so! And first off sir hold on a second... What is God do you know what God is can you honestly tell me that you know what God is He's everything to me Tell me what is God have you seen him Oh no I've not seen him but I felt Him Okay Have you seen a UFO No You haven't seen pictures of UFOs Tell me you have not seen one picture of a UFO. I don't keep up with it No, tell me that you're lying now telling us the one picture of no lying. I see what they call UFO Thank you But thank you know You have not knew you have not used in a picture of UFO some evidence Some kind of evidence but you have not seen a picture of God Now I believe God exists but yet you believe guy exists, but you have not seen him and

1:02:56 I've seen him through this once. I've seen people leave wheelchairs through his power and through his grace and mercy imparted to us. I believe that has to be God, it's nothing else. I believe that is people healing themselves you have the ability. You would be amazed what the mind can do sir. Let's move on to Jeff, what do you think about UFOs? From everything i've studied this is Ray and hopefully we'll have him on my show in a few weeks

1:03:35 From my study, the whole UFO is not space aliens. He might disagree with that but it's not space aliens or some type of pie in the sky demons It is nothing more than technology than the world order boys have But Jeff what I'm wondering where did this technology come from? From them No, no. The One Worlders have had elf waves for 30 years. In the past 20 to 40 years look how far we've come in technology all attributing to the crash in Roswell 1947 Yeah I know but they have actually...the One Worlders have had elf wave technology since the 1930's Well the one world took advantage of the technology from these crafts that they downed radars downed them

1:04:23 Well, here's my only... and I think I mentioned this to you earlier. My question too to people who are just into the UFO thing and not into the world order. But see, it's all tied in together there Jeff! Well yes but the fact is you have to first acknowledge that we have a world government body or actually a world corporation now through The World Bank who are lying to us, who create wars finance wars have enslaved us, we tithe to them. They lie to us but largely manipulate us through their media they do all these things so why are we ignoring this clear enemy and going over here chasing after this possible... What about the faces of Mars? Let me just promote that Greg Erickson is gonna play a tape called The Faces Of Mars

1:05:18 next week Tuesday at 7 o'clock. I think, like i said the whole UFO thing could be a symptom of the world order conspiracy So you think that somebody went to Mars? the world order conspiracy. If people, now this is going to sound really ludicrous and everything but if people will do their research and I have classified paperwork to prove it that we have had bases on Mars and on the moon since the 50s when John F Kennedy was making his famous speech there was a Russian-American alien combined effort on the moon already when we landed on the moon uh... i have the paperwork even the astronauts dateline last two weeks ago came out and said

1:06:02 on Dateline, National TV said we don't care if the government kills us. I aired it on my show last week We don't care if the goverment kills us. There were beings here they've been visiting there were vehicles on the moon all lined up there was actual bases there All this stuff was censored you didn't hear it They're only telling what they want you to know These astronauts are taking their lives into their own hands by saying this but they lived a good number of years of their lives and feel people have a right to know Now why would these astronauts risk You know, they're... Let me tell you what. They could be duped as well. See? They could be seeing the technology that the World Order boys are... They were there on the moon! Well yeah but they might not... See most of people that are working for this World Order Ray Are just doing it out of ignorance

1:06:50 But you have to realize who the government behind the government is. Yes, and that's the problem! And most of people that are participating in it are doing it out of big... The best way to take over a world if you wanted to do it is not to attack it but but to give false readings and manipulation through the people, have them fighting each other through religion like they've been doing. The same thing with the governments and the races. And that's exactly what is happening here. Open your eyes! I think that could be an element of it. Okay, Ray we're going to have to move on but we'll make a whole show out of this. But I tell you what look I watch your show and I'm watching what your throwing at my only point is this I don't see why we continue to divert attention away from the

1:07:47 from the clearly seen enemy over to... I'm not trying to divert attention, I'm trying to get all of the information out there. Right Well actually i've got admit your last few shows have been excellent with the executive orders that girl that's on there and some of the information you all have been putting in As a matter fact can I bring Stephanie on the show with me? Sure Great when did you want me to call you? Anytime within time this week And I'll call you too Alrighty thanks! Okay, did y'all have anything to add before we move on? About UFOs. We're gonna move on to some other... Unless that caller has something. Hello! Uh-oh Hello. Hello, hello Mike and Jeff how are you tonight? Doing fine. Oh I'm sorry I can just barely hear you. Doing fine! Okay should i turn up my television a bit? Probably so that's probably what it is okay let me turn up the bed hope I don't get any sort of squealing I had that one time before when I called. Hopefully not yes well I had a question for Mr. Mrs. Vineyard there and I want to tell you both your doing a great job down there. I was looking in my Bible in the New International Version

1:08:49 I don't know how familiar you are with Deuteronomy, but do you know... Are you familiar with Deuteronomy 3 and 17? Just some of it, yes. Yes... well let's see I was wondering first off Fuck Jesus! Okay? Okay. I'm gonna read what Deuteronomy 3 and 17 anyway But we do need to talk a little bit about Was that a heathen? That was just a man with the desperate cry for help Okay We cut somebody off while ago He wanted to finish what he was going to say Hello

1:09:25 Hello? Hey, I unfortunately got cut off whenever you took the break. I must say that was very interesting about the forfeitures and seizures. I want to say Jeff, I will not ignore the world government conspiracy and I'll tell ya about who controls the media. and the trial out of commission in the builder bird group they'll cbs nbc rca eighty-three p bs associated press routers baltimore sun washington times cable news network imagine that ted turner near time incorporated time incorporated newsweek washington post doubt jones and company the national review william buckley happens to be a member of the cat uh... couple foreign relations

1:10:10 Let me ask you something. Did you say they own CBN? Christian Broadcasting Network. What does that one with Benny Hinn on it? Well let me ask you a question, I got a question for you. I want to get his opinion I want to get your opinion. Do you believe in the space aliens? Or do you think that's one of their diversions? It is more likely one of their diversions, but if it is true then they're not space aliens from some distant planet with a hyperdrive motivator. If its actual some kind of alien then it has got to be trans-dimensional beings and exist in dimensions we don't perceive

1:10:50 And they can wish themselves to be perceived by us when we want to. I always tell you about fire planes chasing them and all of a sudden, they disappear. They go back to the fifth dimension or whatever and that's beyond our boundary. I think it's more likely that these are inventions by the government keep us worried about UFOs and not worried about the trial hour commission. That's what- Right. And not only that it's a good way to disguise this technology that they're building Blame it on spacing. Hold on a minute Carl, let me get into something else real quick. Don't hang up on me though. Why no we're not. Okay um... Let me ask you about uh... What do y'all think about ghosts and demons? Do you think that they are real? That people are actually seeing these demons? Yes! Definitely. Jeff? I think he could probably look at some Rothschilds and Rockefellers

1:11:43 I look more as a physical thing rather than some spook thing. So you're saying that nobody has ever seen a ghost or demon? Why do we hear so much about it then? Well, I just told you what I think they are. When the Bible refers to wicked demons and devils and all that, largely it's the people who are in control of this system. Believe it or not...you might know about this but I went to Fort Worth close to Burleson and was checking out this ghost trailer

1:12:22 Did you ever hear about that up there? I've never heard of the ghost trailer. They had where this blind person was killed in this trailer and these people were drove out of their home, out of a trailer house by demons and i actually saw what was going on in that trailer. I didn't go in it because I was too scared! I thought we would have been too! I saw the lights and the fire and everything else in that trailer I don't want to say that it was what it was, but there was actually something going on there. And there was actually a story wrote up about this on Pat Robertson's show.

1:13:05 are not wholly understand but completely evil person that somehow their soul is trapped here on earth and all they can do is go around and cause trouble. There's numerous ghost stories, whatever... That's an endless debate I'd kind of like to get back more to these evil men running the show on the whole world here. I want to read you a cute little poem that's on my list for members of the Trilateral Commission and The Whole New World Order Connection It goes like this no escape from freedom fails the best men rotten filthy jail and those who cried appease appeased are hanged by those they tried to please and uh... the point being is that all the people out there who will pay on our well he's just one of those crazy right wing conspiracy theorists or did that you know deploying into the evil man parents you know but the conventional wisdom seems to be that sure it's possible that their conspiracy

1:13:59 But if you have a theory about that conspiracy, it's automatically invalid and there could not possibly be a conspiracy because we all know that conspiracy theorists are just these crazy people. You know? And uh... Jeff! That's got to change. Well I can tell you right now the facts are obviously so much against the coincidence theories that quite frankly i don't even listen to the coincidence theorist anymore because I mean there's no other explanation to explain all the phony wars we've been through. All of the rights, the nation trillions of dollars in debt, the rights being siphoned off from us almost daily this religious racket that it's in place and got our

1:14:38 our minds spiritually destroyed. There's no other explanation to, other than to say... Other than to know that... and then Jesus will come and actually save us good people? Or is it just, you know happens to be a great coincidence with the book of Revelations. I gotta say 1,000 years ago everybody was saying holy crap here comes the millennium! Here we go!" Let me just mention Paul thought it was the end of world during his time period. Right right Okay the point is this that's not my... We shouldn't be focusing on that Well let's get the preachers involved Let's get the preachers involved see if they think its in the world If it's the end of the world

1:15:25 So we're coming to the end of the program nothing we can do but the fact that the matter is We cannot this to me plays right into the enemy's hands this business about it's inevitable. There's nothing we can do This is coming right out here. Let me ask us coming right out of your World Council of Churches The fact is we are responsible for what's happening. Joy Santa that we need to stand up to tyrants, okay bottom line let's see what she has say about it Jeff God's Word says in 2nd Corinthians 10 Three, for though we walk in the flesh we do not war according to the flesh. For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty and God for the pulling down of strongholds casting down arguments and everything high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ Anybody can have a demon that wants one

1:16:16 And Jeff may be right. Rockefeller or anybody else can have one that wants one. Do you think it's... do you think that making statements like this is the end of the world, that plays right into their hands? It does because it... Because that gives us a defeatist mentality Why should we stand up to tyrants when its inevitable Let's let Gary get a word in edgewise here. I consider it a victorious statement because the Bible clearly states, greater is he who is in me than he who is in the world And the thing is we don't know the hour nor the time, nor of the day. All we can do is be ready for the Lord's coming and it teaches that over and over again. We also are commanded throughout this book to stand up against wickedness in high place. That tells us that he tells us that we will battle against him. Yes!

1:17:10 I'd like to make one more point before y'all gotta cut me off. I know you're on a time restraint I want to see if y'all won't let me elaborate for time reasons or whatever I want to hear especially Jeff, but all of you Discuss the plans to revoke cash and make us a cash-free Oh yeah, cashless society. You got everybody and their mother love these cute little smart cards and you just gotta run it through the little machine and it pays for everything And of course we all love to be on the...all in the NCIC 2000 We love to have our photo signature and thumbprint In the big computer bank I mean this is really setting up

1:17:52 towards tyrannical purposes and i got to say that once they revoke the cash everybody except because they will accept it because many people are stupid cattle who'll go for that though everybody out there smart card it'll be so convenient you know this in that and then according to government technology magazine uh... october eleventh nineteen ninety three quote the next logical progression from a smart car is a microchip under skin it's called pirates made by texas instruments thought about the size of a great right It's so convenient, they just inject it under your skin. And all you have to do is wave it in front of the radio scanner and its so easy and no one will kill you. The way I believe that you have to take it willingly... Oh no! Yes sir! If they inject it by some means that you don't accept it

1:18:44 I believe that God would not hold it against. Well, i don't know... It really sounds like taking the mark! What can you do? How can you take...? It says you have to take the mark if you do not take it willingly, I dont believe. Mr Hanson now we know this is a mark so how do they know they're not injecting this mark into you when you go to get a shot? You don't That's why I'm saying you can take this thing out of egg that most people are going along with this world just Wicked world system out of ignorance Mike. Well, let me get that's the whole body Charles comment on this because we don't got that much time here well again We're putting a thank-you know it seems like a lot of people are putting their faith in this world this world Once you come to know Christ were no longer a part of this where part of his kingdom he promises that and

1:19:37 And that his kingdom is at hand, it's just for us to repent and forsake this world. And the thing is I've done that. I put my faith in God on him the rock I stand and like the old song says all of the ground is sinking sand. But you ain't doing what Christ went into the temple and threw the money changers out there? That's right! Well you ain't doing that by doing that You're just retreating. You're ignoring the wickedness of God. I'm not retreating, I am going forth in faith! You are ignoring the wickedness? Jesus came to save the world and not condemn it. It's that simple...it is in the word. What are you gonna do when they tell you can't drive your car until you have a transponder on your windshield so they can keep track of you with their cute little radio antenna? Well, Jeff Davis has kind

1:20:29 taxes and no one will have to pay more taxes than services they need driving their car. I agree on Jeff Davis with this, i try to pay my cars off even if i have to drive a 1982 truck like i do im going to have my truck paid off but what they are going to say is you cannot drive a car 1986 and below or something like that, you know they're going to make you get a new... Or you better come in and get your transponder installed. Yeah well you won't be able to drive I mean and hey.. Too much pollution! The Hughes Aircraft made a great video on the Fallen Access channel it's been awhile two very evangelical Christians talking about the New World Order being the book of revelations literally interpreted And they had a great video excerpt from a Hughes aircraft

1:21:19 General Motors also all the heads of general motors members of the building Bergen to try a lot of permission and the CFR Of course, but this huge aircraft video is their promotional video for look at this great convenient way to where you don't have to stop and get every don't you hate digging for change? It's a cold This is so convenient, you know? And everyone will love it and the company that's bringing it to you is AT&T. Aren't you glad that we'll have video telephones? Hey what happens when they're mandatory? I'm sure you've all read George Orwell but they're setting up now to be very totalitarian where they can take one big grab of power and people are going to love it! It's so convenient! The convenience

1:22:00 Let me just add one thing. First off, we're going to have to make closing statements here. Thank you so much caller! I want to just mention that a lot of these things still are A lot of it, like with the driver's license in the strip. Well a lot of this stuff is planned but that doesn't necessarily mean it will be implemented as the information because actually these people put out misinformation themselves. I just wanted to make sure there was no question whatsoever that there is a global elite in control of things who are planning

1:22:37 to enslave not only us but the world. My ultimate question to anybody that says they believe in this book is, how come they are not standing up to these tyrants like the religious leaders that founded this country did. Even your attitude is to retreat and ignore it! My attitude is to attack Satan in his stronghold, and I believe Satan's the tyrant... He's called the Prince of the Air I serve the Prince of Peace. Isaiah 55, 6 just says,

1:23:26 for he will abruptly pardon. Why don't you become like a Moses and deliver God's people out of bondage? That is what the bondage is today, is standing in this world. Don't y'all go to prisons and try to... Yes we do! God changes people through his Spirit, through His love, through His peace and His joy He doesn't teach us to go out and be warring nations. He teaches us to go out lovingly. Absolutely, that's all God did. Let me ask you something before we get off there Jeff You know, I mentioned that my grandfather... Well let me just respond to him. In the Old Testament that's all God did was tell the old Israelites to go in and kill the Canaanites, the Mennonites, all of those so-called ites. They went in there and whacked them, killed them wicked little evil governments. And steal their women and cattle? What do you mean?

1:24:15 Most of his children then were acting in rebellion because even their sacrifices were unholy. So finally he sent his son Jesus Christ that we all might be pardoned from sin which bounds the world. Nobody can justify what's happening to this world, this octopus type To tear and he but pounding down on it to sit around and ignore this I don't care what whether you're an atheist or what? You are all right But doesn't it all come back to the faith that that Jesus Christ in John 3 17 says for I did not send my son into the world Can they do it took him the world, but through him the world might be saved. That's right I mean you've got operating faith in some areas That's that's you know faith period

1:24:58 Let me just say this before we go off there. You're saying my little grandpa here and grandma has been married 60 years that he went to World War II for nothing? That's right, he died for no better reason than international bankers can give credit. Well he didn't die Jeff! He's still living but you said the other night I heard you say that on some show These wars that we're fighting are contrived by world bankers. Do you all believe that? Yes I do! Jesus says, render unto Caesar what is Caesars and let him give to his brothers. We're going off the air thank you so much for coming down all the way from Burleson. What's gonna happen is they...we're gonna put your address up if they want to write y'all again

1:25:41 Yeah, we're going off there. Just go ahead and give you a little closing statement because we are going off the air. I'll let them go. Okay It's time for more Moses! I've had enough of this feel-goodism and that God's people are in trouble The time is singing and choir singing and dancing around these pews is over with We need more Moses to stand up to the tyrants that are ruling over us This is Randall Mock And I love Mike Hanson's archives Do it one more time Louder. This is Randall Mock and I love Mike Hanson's archives. Come on, anybody want to come up here? All right that's it. Who wants a lady? Let James go. Go ahead. Yes sir. God bless the Republic! Death to the New World Order!