Jeff Davis, Gaylon Ross, And George Humphrey On Waco [i FFDsxI9Ec]

00:01 I love Mike Hanson Archives. Get ready to join it! Hello Austin, Texas. I'm assuming we are back here on Monday night We have an excellent show lined up for tonight Let me introduce my guest, actually co-hosting the night will be Galen Ross a familiar face down here who just made the show offer of Who's Who Of The Elite? Where he'll talking about some of these new appointments

00:57 and other different things. And a new fella in the studio with us today, former city council member George Humphrey who has well I guess been saying some things over the last three or four years, George and he gave us a call, wanted to come down talk to us tonight about some things that happened on a KLRU program this last week in response kind of to our Waco show two weeks ago And I want to welcome George Humphrey to the studio tonight, George. I really do. I've been watching your show for the last couple of years and Jeff, I really appreciate your courage in getting this show out You work on a shoestring and yet you get out an incredible amount of information Now that I'm watching it thinking about coming out on this show when you and I have talked but i was going to hold off This last week I saw a show on PBS on KLRU

01:52 which just infuriated me so much. I've got a little bit of Irish blood in me that, you know...I called you that night and we talked about it It was on the Frontline series which is pretty good series I watched over the years and it was called Waco The Inside Story And everything about Waco I'm interested because there's a lot to learn A bunch my friends all go together and I thought wow PBS they might do fairly balanced job on The program came on and within about three minutes it was extremely clear that the information was blatantly dishonest, and that they were misrepresenting facts. And through the whole show is that this continuance of deleting pertinent information or misrepresenting a story was consistent. Now I've been a supporter of PBS and KLRU for years

02:46 And I really appreciate, and know a lot of people down there. And the people here in Austin are very good people so what I'm saying is that this is not an attack on the local KLRU people because people at KLRU locally are good people and they're trying to get the truth out This was a PBS show that was being to them And I think it's...I came down and watched your show the other day, and we had Clive on it, Catherine, the survivors of Waco. And I'll tell you what if any of you people out there are even interested in what is going on and getting to know Clive and Catherine some of these survivors these people are good honest simple aware

03:29 people that we would be proud to have as our next door neighbors and have as good friends. I was very, very impressed by the honesty and integrity of Clive he is a fine gentleman And the fact is there's been murders political murder going on for hundreds years growing up they were in Guatemala or India or China some place like that In last couple year it has been Nicaragua even Mexico But now the murders aren't outside of the United States, they're here in the United States. And it's not up in New York City, It's right down the street in Waco Texas to people who even though they have a different religious symbolism than I do and many other people do

04:14 And they have every right to do that. That's what our Constitution is about, having the right to worship God in your own way and these people are honest, full of integrity and trying to do the right thing So when I called Jeff up the other day, I said it was really important we go over the points that KLRU and PBS on this Frontline series misrepresented. So there's about 8 points, I'm sure you're going to think of about 3 or 4 other points that I don't have here and I know you know about this but the first one that was never ever mentioned in the show was neither the FBI, ATF nor any of the other law enforcement agencies and there were several

04:58 never had a legal search warrant. Habeas corpus was completely ignored and the big lie was that this was a totally illegal unconstitutional raid, and I think we need to talk about this because if we don't protect constitutional rights for everyone including people who are politically incorrect then for everyone else we lose our constitutional rights. There has never been shown a search warrant. Now, it's my understanding that about three days before the ATF tried to get a search warrant but it was only for one day and it was completely invalid there was no search warrants and so our Justice Department condoned this attack without even going through constitutional habeas corpus and that is perhaps

06:00 One of the greatest issues that this show the Jeff Davis show talks about is a protection of rights for everybody Let me just let me just answer when was this? This was this plane lab about last Last Monday or Tuesday. And it's a national show that they put together for all the PBS across the country? Yes. And then it just happened that this Central Texas Public, PBS played at this time My information is and I called up KLRU and then I called up PBS Is that it was produced by a station in Boston and that it played one time about eight or nine months ago here in Austin

06:43 I didn't see it, i didn't hear anything about and they played again. My first knowledge of that was just a couple days ago and I know that you got several calls on it and I called the station found out what's going on in the people at the station Maria Rodriguez who is the station person in control programming said this was first call she'd gotten then I think several other people called her there were several calls Now, do you think... so in your opinion George is it just coincidence then or does it happen to play week after week? Because we raise a pretty good ruckus on this town. On this issue like the week before. Jeff your show two weeks ago or ten days ago or whatever was with some of the survivors of Waco was my opinion the finest show that you've ever done because

07:33 The facts speak for themselves, the truth speaks for themselves. When you see Clive, when you see Catherine, when you see Clive's mother who is 75 or 80 years old and she has a strong spirit but she speaks the truth These people are not terrorists, they're not breaking laws. They were people who were searching for God in community and taking care of their own business and there was a premeditated attack and they believe a premeditate massacre and murder of those people Now the question is why? And you've done... both of you have I mean

08:10 your patriots in the very finest sense of the word having the courage to stand up and talk about facts which is what our constitution is supposed to be about. Absolutely, now let's get into some of this specifics because I know we've got some Some of your specifics, are these specifics that you found? Yeah. These are seven other points within the show in places and one of the greatest things about this show was the deletion of pertinent facts that this show left out Now we've got these ready to go here George

08:48 No mention was made by the ATF, FBI or anyone else that no one had secured a search warrant which we never had. Okay, we'd already talked about it. Yeah this is clearly a totally unconstitutional raid and the fact is that everyone anyone who's even done that much research on it knows that was unconstitutional and yet Janet Reno in the Justice Department has done not one thing they haven't even slapped anybody's wrist It's incredible unless our own justice department plays by the rules of Constitution We don't have a constitution

09:28 Essentially, the people that did this attack were judge jury and executioner. The people were not even tried or accused they were just murdered. That's correct. Okay, yeah the second point here is that no mention was made of any crime charged during this television show No mention was made of any crime charge to the people living at Mark Carmel that would necessitate such an attack They had a full hour where they had the FBI and HRT and ATF talking about this whole thing. But they never said why they attacked the people, And they had all of these films with black body armor and helicopters coming in The main question is why did they do it? Why did this attack happen

10:21 And even the politically correct stations, ABC, CBS and NBC they have never talked about why this attack occurred. There was a lot of innuendos but all that innuendo has proved to be objectively false No crime was charged these people It's incredible! Absolutely And there is deeper question here that I don't have the answer for You know...I don't think anybody does and I don't even think the people who are living there do what set off this raid, what necessitated it because clearly this thing had been planned for months or even maybe six eight months a year in advance and that there were law enforcement agencies from all across the United States and even from Great Britain and France special forces that came in so this was not

11:12 Something that was planned in a week there the it had been going on for a long time Why did they plan this and why do they plan to open up fire on American citizens? I don't know In order for the elite to take over this country first of all They have to take the arms out of citizen's hand. They cannot they can't overtake your country There is so well armed as this country is by the private citizens and so they have to create a series of events to justify the outlawing of personal weapons. And it's just one step, Oklahoma was another step and probably the bomb in Atlanta was another step. Absolutely. It's calculated psychological warfare to justify the tightening down

12:09 outlawing of personal arms. It's laughable, but it is not laughable because a lot of people believe that and I don't know if you remember But 17 days after the siege started there was a movie on and I forgot it was made for TV in which they had David Koresh And all the people and they lined up and they were the ones who ambushed ATF. Can you imagine how scared those people were?

13:02 just a couple weeks after this happened. And the message that was being put out by the national media and by this movie, and now by this show was that the Branch Davidians or...and they're not even Branch Davidian's They don't even call themselves Branch Davidians is that they ambushed ATF That is absolutely objectively untrue and PBS should be ashamed for even putting that innuendo out I watched that on television for about 8 hours that day and so I'm aware of everything that went on from the standpoint of television. There's nothing to indicate that sort of thing, it was just an assault in a building and cremation of a bunch of innocent people. Third point number 3 no mention was made of the 9 survivors who were charged with felonies after the fact

13:58 all nine of these people were brought to a jury trial in front of their peers and all nine on all three charges were found unanimously innocent. Yet, all nine of these people are still in jail and it really must be remembered that these people were not charged with anything until after the fact then they were charged with three felonies conspiracy murder and conspiracy I forgot what the third one was. They went down to San Antonio and in front of a jury, the people of San Antonio said this is silly all these charges are trumped up illegal not true thrown out now the major media hardly carried the story at all just put a hiatus they said we're not going to cover this

14:48 And yet, those nine people are in nine different jails and three or four of them are in solitary confinement. And several of them from what I've been told are being mistreated This is a miscarriage of justice It's a major crime in itself George you're doing a fantastic job I must say wouldn't he say? He's done his research on this stuff Okay number... We ready with number 4 now Get him out, I can't go in here George. Yeah number four no mention was ever made that the FBI or the ATF had secretly infiltrated Mount Carmel for a year previous to the attack now we have an hour program and it's talking about they don't know where things are but yet the fact is is that they had been in there for a year previously inside the building and they had leased the property on the outskirts and then watching them

15:42 Now what was it that these people were doing that necessitated spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to watch these people live their lives? And they knew exactly where every room was, and it was not a complex. It was a big house Yeah, and this program again PBS do your homework. You don't you've got to mention both sides talk about both sides of the story And in you're not doing that and the fact is is that when? The ATF or the FBI infiltrates an organization it comes in that has not been charged with a crime There's some real question about constitutional rights there absolutely number five

16:27 No mention was made that the FBI lied to David Koresh and the others living at Mount Carmel about their promise, the FBI's promise to play his tape to a national audience. Which they did not! Now it is my understanding that on the day of the attack David Koresh was shot in the hand and he was shot in the side and lost a lot of blood He went upstairs and about three days later He was talking with a team called the HRT, or Hostage Rescue Team. And they made a deal that if he would record one hour tape and if the FBI would play it on national audience

17:05 that everybody would come out. And they all made this agreement, and we've heard the tapes... And they talked about it a little bit on the show but what they failed to mention was that FBI never allowed this tape be played to national audience It was played by about four or five... and ours, it was about three or four stations. It was on the fourth day in fact, Catherine Madison who brought the tape back. And I've listened to the tape and folks it's not about you know believe me I'm not a Davidian, I am not even a supporter of David Korsh, I am a supporter of the Constitution. I've listened to tape that is basically scripture

17:44 It is it is straight straight scripture, and it might be up your alley And it might be something that's very foreign to you But it makes no difference a deal was made in yet an intelligent program They basically made an innuendo and a very strong one that Quarish and the people of Mount Carmel lied about their positions absolutely untrue and false false false false false number six No mention was made that the ATF used CS gas to poison and kill the Davidians or people living at Mount Carmel. CS gas is a chlorine petroleum product that has been outlawed by the world court as an illegal weapon Now, the amazing thing in this television show they said okay we're gonna be talking about the FBI We're going to bring in teargas and teargas them out

18:37 And they kept on talking about the tear gas and the tear gas. But then they had a clip, about 5 second clip in which it said CS Gas. The fact is, that the fire... everybody who has watched the films of Waco and I think almost everybody watching this show has done that. Is it the fire that destroyed Mount Carmel you can see in that fire that it was an extremely red fire with black black smoke there's no way that gasoline could have created a fire like that had to be a petroleum-based fire About 65 people who died there through the coroner's reports, died of CS gas poisoning in their lungs. This was never mentioned by this program There was a premeditated decision made by either the ATF or Department of Justice to inject CS gas

19:37 in the house where men, women and 17 children lived that they knew would kill these people. And the coroner's reports verify that never talked about on the program again... Never talked about on the program? Again they basically made innuendos that they burned themselves, that they were ambushing ATF I mean this is basic information. This is not some wild new age thought, this is not some crotchety old man coming up with this. This is factual information

20:13 And everybody, you know anybody who's spent any time looking at this knows that CS gas was injected in that building. We all know it and I hope that the people watching us will become aware of it and remember that CS gas is an illegal substance used by the world court if we'd used it against the Iraqis or the Iraqis use it against us It would have been front-page headlines but our own government uses on people right down the street from us That's exactly right Number seven In this whole show, the main speakers of this program were the hostage rescue team. And they kept on coming back to this group called HRT

20:52 Yet there's something very, very interesting. There were no hostages folks! There were no hostages...there was free will of all the people living in there and anybody who says differently is just you know doesn't- In fact I asked that question to Crive on the last time we had him here how many times have y'all held against your will in there? And it was clear that they liked being there They liked what they were being taught and they liked it. Well, if you were in a place that you lived in for couple years and one day woke up and bunch of people in black leather are coming in shooting at you and kill some your friends and blaring lights in the windows and shooting loud music at you not living up to their promises Are you gonna walk out there? Heck no! You're not. If don't know who these people are can trust them

21:40 And the fact is, is that in the program they made a very strong innuendo that Cory should brainwash these people and they wouldn't go out there. Well anybody who's talked to Clive Doyle who lives not too far from here or his mother realize he is a very intelligent willful self-aware person and nobody is going to brainwash him or his mother And that's pretty clear. Yeah, I mean it's like trying to have somebody say they're going to brainwash this fellow right here and it's just not gonna happen and folks you know...and yet this whole program was about the HRT trying to say oh we were trying to rescue these people It's not what happened. When the fact is a real brainwashing was going on against the people Do you realize George that the only information that the world was getting Was coming right out of that FBI

22:36 media, FBI news conference every morning. It was just straight from then and I've had people Kirk Lyons and some of these other people that are on this program who were actually in that morning FBI and basically the line was is that the FBI said their piece And the reporters printed faithfully what they said. Then they went on to the Hotel Hilton and got drunk that day. Well, get this... In their very first press conference they said why'd you do this? They said we thought it was going to be a Jonestown sort of situation We thought there was gonna be mass suicide. Well folks

23:13 There is no federal law against suicide. There isn't! Now in some states, after the fact it is illegal and some state laws... but its not until after the fact In Texas I don't know what that is It's not a crime until it takes effect Let's say that in Texas it is and I don't know whether or not But why would you send in the AFT to prevent a suicide? You'd send in psychologists or something like that The first press conference was an absolute lie and it was the seed of the whole siege. I mean, you know after they kind of realized that this was a bad slant to take they changed their mind. They changed it right then they went with it right? I agree.

23:56 Let me ask you a question, George. Were you on to this... See I was suspicious of this from February 28th 1993 called Compound Blah blah blah. You were suspicious from day one? Absolutely! Anytime that all the media... Now, I travel around the world quite a bit and realize that every day there are dozens of major stories that affect people in this world and that every story has at least two or three different points of view. Yet in America, we get Connie Chung, Tom Brokaw and Dan Rather same story number one, number two and number three with the same point of view day in day out week in week out month in month out folks

24:42 That's just not a chance. It can happen, and when you look around and see how many major stories are affecting not only the world but people in Texas that have never reported something wrong. Excellent point! Okay... This eighth point right here is I think extremely telling to this program called WACO, The Inside Story In this so-called objective presentation, why did they give Clyde Doyle who we've been talking about who's one of the survivors 1.5 minutes to respond to non primary issues and not a second or state his own position? And this was supposedly factual documentary. Thing is let me tell you how that I'm sure you know this George but i've talked to a lot of them Davidians about this and I even downloaded

25:38 with my dealings with the media myself. They'll sit there and they'll talk to them for like two, three hours... Right And then they'll pick the worst people first piece of crap, one minute of crap and then just make them look like a bunch of idiots or whatever. It's so bad that a lot of them now even refuse to participate in it. In fairness in this show Clive answered the questions very objectively and very clearly there wasn't anything off in his responses but the questions he was asked were very tertiary to what was going on and they never let him speak

26:13 And so they gave one and a half minutes out of the full hour program, and there was no other side of the program. Now for folks who work at KLRU here in Austin... I hope that you're hearing what, this is not an attack on the local station because we do have a good, great local station. And people like Tom Spencer for years have tried to bring up very very good points and it's made this town a better place. What i'm asking you folks at KLRU is to objectively look at these points that Jeff has brought up and others who've brought over the last year-and-a-half and say has justice been served?

26:50 Why was this show put out by PBS? There's only one of two things. Either it was so blatantly sloppy, which PBS is not sloppy they spent a lot of money on the show or there was some reason to try and hide the truth And I don't believe that the producers of this were so ignorant that they would have missed the story by 180 degrees. Anybody who saw this realizes a big curveball was thrown at the American people, and again...

27:25 None of us, I don't think you're Davidians and I'm not a Davidian but that's their right to be a Davidian. That is part of the United States and I am not even a supporter of David Korsh. But the fact is... No, that makes any difference. It makes no difference whatsoever. We all believe in the Constitution of the United States And even for people who are politically incorrect And unless people like ourselves, and more importantly people who are listening to this get the word out. The dream that was brought to us close 200 years ago to have a constitutional republic that would protect the rights of all human beings so they could believe in whatever god they wanted as long it didn't hurt others whether they be Jewish or Christian or Hindu or whatever

28:11 This would make the United States the greatest nation on earth, unless we all band together and protect our constitutional rights. then we all lose our constitutional rights. And folks, this is not a joke! This is not about some mugging up in New York City or something far away... This is down the road and even right after that, little further down the road in Oklahoma City there's some questions about that are just as objective and just as frightening as implications of this Waco So I really ask you for people who are listening to us first time

28:49 I know when i first heard about this, I had a really bad reaction. I said no it's not true... ...I don't believe this is just conspiracy theory. This is just a bunch of nuts and I didn't want to change my paradigm but as I got objective information And I think that the most important thing, and I know you've done it and you've done it is to follow the truth no matter where it takes you. Because the truth...and the truth's going to take you places where you step on the toes of some sacred cows and its not very pleasant sometimes but as long as you keep asking what is the truth here then thats the only way to protect our country

29:28 And unless we all band together and call Lloyd Doggett, call our Senators Bill Graham and write KRU and PBS. We've got the station addresses here. that they tell both sides of the story because KLRU is a fine station and I know the people down there. If they hear the truth, we'll push for it but what i'm concerned about is The Big Wigs at PBS. Is that right? Yeah Maria Rodriguez is the person who's in charge of programming and she gave me...and she was very polite over the phone and she listened very well and she said well just send me the information

30:08 And so this will go to Maria Rodriguez, and I know that many people know Tom Spencer. There's another guy called Mike Arthurs or whatever but if the people listening here would write Taylor U and ask them to let the Davidians or the other side be listened too that is the only appropriate thing that can be done I would also ask everybody to write the same letter to PBS up in Alexandria, Virginia. I don't have nearly as much faith that the people up there will respond in an honest way because basically they're the ones who put out the show and are too close to the beltway but they need to understand that Americans you know...and people in Texas we still believe in the Constitution We're not going to listen this crap

30:56 So please get out your pens, send your letters and please call Mr. Doggett up and say why hasn't constitutional process been followed? Why has the sanctity of our constitution in our laws been absolutely run over? And please even more importantly don't believe a word that Jeff or myself are saying go out find information yourself Only when you go out and do the work, by yourself get the information where you believe it. Because when we talk about this stuff there's going to be people way over here and way over here. And clearly Jeff and I have a point of view that does not fit the prevailing paradigm. We're way out there!

31:39 But the fact is that we both believe what we're saying. Yeah, but we're having fun too! We're telling the truth and we challenge you to go out there and just scratch around and find out for yourself because this makes a difference not only for you but your family and through the whole country so anyway George I'm convinced that nothing as significant happens anywhere in the world it is not planned It's all part of the grand plan. And the Waco affair was just one of many that... It is an important issue, Galen only because this is a case where people might not understand the money system or some of these things that we talk about but if a general public can't understand Galen that it's wrong for our supposed to be our government and have thrown so blatantly in their face

32:39 If they can't see that, then they're not going to be able to see a lot of this other stuff. So the key is we have to hold these people accountable—these people that are supposed to be our public servants... But Jeff, they write and rewrite history Part of this program you watch was part of rewriting history. Absolutely it is the victors write history and there was a very wonderful book that was written many many years ago that I think probably we all Called Wizard of Oz and when I grew up, it was a children's story And it wasn't but you know this kind of fairy tale Frank Baum who wrote it voted as a political commentary

33:20 And I think it's something that we can all learn from. It was full of innuendos, the yellow brick road had to do with the gold standard The Wizard of Oz had to do with ounces The Tin Man represented the industrial workers who didn't have the smarts to realize they were being manipulated The lion represented England who didn't have the courage to stand up to the Bank of England. Oh, you must be kidding! Farmer... The straw man represented the farmer I've not heard that angle on that one. Didn't have the smarts to figure out their farmers were being stolen from them. The wicked witch of the East

33:57 was Senator Aldridge who set up, you know who Senator Aldridge was. The silver slippers which they originally were the silver but the whole story was that the little dog Toto pulled the curtain away and wizard who had all of this power over people was just a little bitty man who is manipulating people with images And if we, the people of this country have enough courage and wisdom to say enough is enough. We're not going to take this. We are going to protect our constitution and the rights of all people no matter what race or religion whether they are politically correct as long as they play by the rules

34:39 then that's what the Constitution is about. But the wizard, which is the media, is manipulating all this thought and the only way to stop it is when people like Jeff and yourself... You write the books and Jeff has these programs When we tell enough of our friends and say no you're not going manipulate us anymore We're gonna protect our country Hey did you want to sting around take a call? Or...? Oh yes sir! We've got some calls lined up Okay, we'll go ahead and try a call here. We've got Galen Ross and George Humphrey over here. We're gonna...we'll go ahead and try a call. You wanna try it? Yeah, we're gonna get one on. Okay! Jeff this is your best show by far Mr. Humphrey and Mr. Galen Ross y'all are really proving your points well

35:27 I watched that program last week. I don't watch that much PBS, but I've liked Frontline in the past and noticed over the last few years they've been getting worse and worse. The point you made... which point was it talking about the CS gas? Because I can back that up folks. I watched the Senate hearings of Arlen Specter and they asked the FBI those questions, and they admitted it that they pumped in CS gas which has been banned by the Geneva Convention since 1969. And is a deadly poison once ignited and a deadly poison before it's ignited. And folks look at those tanks when they show the picture They've got a big nozzle on the front, they pumped in hundreds of liquid gallons of that that then turned into gas form and would kill people in it contained space. It was just like Hitler gassing the Jews! I mean folks this really happened that unequivocal I saw happen and its kind of like you were saying once your seeing it yourself once you go out get the facts yourself you will get enraged to find out

36:22 what the media is pulling over on us. And point three was very good too, I mean folks there are people who have been proven guilty and they're still in jail. That's just scary I mean, I'm so glad that I had to see that program because every point he's making is absolutely true. The other point how they showed...how it showed the hostage rescue team or whatever calling them on the phone and saying you lied to us Mr. Davidian You know, you lied to us Mr. Koresh, you're a liar Well, he just proved it That he didn't lie It was the FBI that lied folks

37:11 So I mean, it just...I mean this program is fantastic guys and I hope people out there will just wake up and understand that the media is controlled. That there's tons of money in having the American people enslaved so they can tax us regulate us and run into absolute slavery! And thats been the history of the world and if ppl don't know history their doomed to repeat it. This is the best thing I've seen on TV in a long time and im not saying this has got me excited or this has got me..im going to redouble my efforts and uh... you can look at that dot and i'm not talking about the public thought folks uh... and uh... and i think what they're helping with my hand please record fair right of course called caller rocky yes just do it

37:51 spend some time get your neighbors to call because it's just like George Hufford was saying, it's just like the Wizard of Oz. To use an analogy this guy is behind the curtain he's hiding back there he's a little bitty weakling and he's using manipulation and control in his big machines to manipulate us if we'll just wake up Imagine how good it would feel to wake up and throw these coils off of it and become free people again And I will never be totally free. You know humans are a perfect race We're not a perfect group of people But we can't strive towards something and if they can keep us apathetic and a slave culture that doesn't believe in our strength, I mean we'll be screwed but listen guys Thanks a lot and just charge hard. Thanks for your call Did you have any comments? Okay

38:37 We got it in the full deck of them. You want to stay around and take a look? Sure! Alright, let's bring on the next one Hi How you doing sir? I just wanted to say that the first time i saw that front line show It was obvious to me they weren't going to try and fool students at Waco They glazed right over the front door being lost And the blank tape that was supposed to be shooting the entry So it's like they were just trying to gloss over the public who was basically fed up with the story by then and put it to bed I think. Also, is Kahn Foundation people to talk to help these people?

39:18 cause foundation? I have something in my mailbox that says Cause Foundation. Let me just mention, before we get to this guy here, anyone that's...Katherine Madison was on the program two weeks ago and she is very much interested She has a thousand of these tapes and she is getting them out to the public You write that P.O. book and she'll send you this 58-minute tape free In fact, we delivered about 20 some of them right after that show It's basically scripture I haven't heard it Yeah, I've listened to it several times And it has...you know It's not political It's not David saying they're treating us unfairly Just basically he talks scripture for 58 minutes

40:03 Well, for some reason she wants to get this out. He's out to the public They are free right that PO box and she'll fire one after to you okay go ahead caller I'm sorry Yeah, there's a point that I was talking about the one with Kirk Lyons oh yeah wait I take that back. I've had Kirk Lyons on the program. I had a very interesting talk or cause Clive Doyle's mother two days ago and she said that there are four or five different groups out there collecting money to help the people of Mount Carmel. And she said that as of today they haven't received one single penny. Right, so what I'm asking really is can we get it together and get one official place where the Davidians think most help can be done? Okay, do we have that? That's

40:54 mount carmel survivors memorial fund that's the act telegraphed to whisper through so do we have an address of the expect p o box one twenty x tell taxes yeah okay but that's the one that uh... that's the one that this okay well go ahead get them away but not the one you want to be very careful because what she told me and i think she was speaking from the heart with it there's four different for five different funds over four years they haven't gotten a penny. And as for example, while they were in there this one attorney who some of the people asked them what was going on during siege and the Mount Carmel people never hired them gave them a $70,000 bill I mean you know when these people are down they're getting kicked they've lost their land do you know about the squatter? There's a person who has gone out there who is squatting on their land trying to take their land

41:47 Folks, you know clearly most of us will not agree with their spiritual direction but their rights have been violated and these people are good folks and they're not getting a fair shake. There's always vultures circling around to try to pick off what runs out of the bushes Thank You gentlemen thank you all right we'll try another one your uh your on air Yes, you were mentioning that we should beg the press to start telling us the truth. I have a real problem with that. Why should we go to them, ask them to treat us fairly? Why shouldn't we go to people like you and people like others who want to tell the truth and want to tell history in their own eyes such as the internet or access television and start a new era because perhaps we're going to get lies on the internet. Well thats okay because well we've been getting them for a long time. I think we all well know that from the media

42:48 i'd happen my main point out of my other one was okay go ahead let me just comment on it i think that you would still have some faith in the media yeah there's not a national media but I know the people, the local people and there are some good people. There is good people in different local stations to be sure there's no question about that but the fact is when they're fed lies most of them don't know the difference because It's only been the last four or five years that we've become aware of it. And the fact is, is that not all people are bad and there are some good people in the media and if they get information perhaps... I think most of them Georgia just do Absolutely Like your average Are you following me? No question about that Okay Carla Well I kind have been...I've known about it all my life especially during Vietnam era

43:42 and as far as the media is concerned about not always getting the truth. And I have to admit there are some good people there, but if we only have one source... You have to admit that they have consolidated and if we only have one source of information, we're going to end up like San Antonio was when they were short a water They were offered no solution! I was having to listen to what's going on in Leander until San Antonio Ways that they could actually produce their own water via rainwater from their rooftops if they needed to They were thrown into a complete panic. They were told there were absolutely no solutions for them And I feel like if you only have one source of information coming at you then it's dangerous and that's why shows like Jeff are just Diamonds in the rough, and I'll tell you what with you know just

44:38 He's taken a bunch of guff for the last several years. I didn't have the guts to come on here for a long time, but I'll tell you what... Jeff has had you know I don't always agree with him. He doesn't agree with me, but you know what he's really? He's really pushing for the truth and you know this a CTV There's a bunch of good people here And there are some other good shows on too so we hear your point Exactly and that's my point don't spend your time begging the press to do something for you get out there and do it yourself That's my main point my other point was I think that's pretty good points Yeah We have to we have to we have to force

45:17 people to listen not be dependent upon by the way my other point is uh... you know how they were really upset i think the main problem was that they were saying the branch davidians were stockpiling uh... gun what about the places a bottom These companies, weren't they stockpiling guns themselves? The fact was that there were two of the people who lived at Mount Carmel who made their living from going to gun shows and they were completely registered

45:54 completely legal, they had been checked out before and these people were away at a gun show. I think they were done... Paul Fata was actually... They were done in Austin so 90% of their legal guns were gone And he's in prison! And the ATF who knew that their guns were gone planned the attack this time This is another point that we did not make in this show And another point was that a couple of the ATF agents who were shot with weapons that the Davidians did not even own. They were shot with armament that only the US military had, this never came out

46:33 Say that again now? Some of the agents who were shot... Oh, he knows about that. ...were shot with armament that the Davidians did not have. Now he's getting into some heavy stuff though. It was called friendly fire. Yeah or maybe unfriendly fire where people got shot. I don't know that. Well, that's what the reports are. Next caller! You're on air Hello. Hi, sir. Can you turn your TV up maybe? Is it possible that there were people inside the compound... Inside the house

47:37 right out broken story that i heard somewhere where perhaps they had uh... from hackers in the house that uh... got into some government file i've actually heard them myself at work it can you tell me if there's any and he seems to be a really bizarre government would make these mistakes because i mean either you know i think i have children get basically murdered, and that's very difficult to... The only thing I can say exactly about that is that Sheila Martin told me when I was in Waco the last couple of months back. Her husband Wayne Martin who by the way was killed in a fire and her four children

48:28 That there was that room the BATF was so anxious to get into, that day. That was their computer room? No, Clive told me that was David's bedroom. That was David's bedroom but he... Clive told you that? Yeah no, Clive's mother told me that Now, whether that's... and then she told me that about a month and half before the siege David moved from there. Now I've heard at first I heard... What was their computers in there? I heard that was the computer room whether that is fact or not i don't know but the point you're making which is extremely important point is if they had to be reason for this This just wasn't fancy And I have heard about five or six different

49:13 theories and I've even talked to some of the survivors there, and they have different points of view. They're not unanimous about what they think caused this so... How could they? They were just sitting in their... Doing their thing? Yeah And I think what you brought up Is the overlying issue. Should I worry about, uh...I've got a computer and write about the elite? I write about these members of these secret organizations Are they going to attack my house? Well that's always the potential Gale! That sort of thing... I mean...well you know... That's why we're on this show right now is protect the rights of all people because we have the right

49:57 to use our computers. We have the right to worship the way we want, we have the right to do some different things... You think it's safe to say though George that we think we have a right? Well as long as there are people like Jeff Davis out there you know Thank for your call brother Alright next caller you're on air Hi! What is going on Terry I'm very pleased to see George getting in on this. Audience, get a paper and pencil because I am going to give you some information that you can go the library

50:40 Because what George was telling you to do about finding out stuff for yourself is right, and then from there it's like well gee where do I go? And how do I trust the sources. On this particular day the establishment center apparently got distracted looked the other way that I'm about to tell you about where to find an article from the Associated Press as it appeared in the Austin American Statement right here in River City. If you've got your paper and pencil ready, it's the Austin American Statement, the date March 1st 1994. This is just a day after the trial ended

51:19 the trial of the survivors against the Mount Carmel residents. This is an Associated Press story as it appeared in the Austin American Statement on page B3, March 1st 1994 edition Now, the Associated Press story will have also appeared in many other papers around the country. In some cases the story would've been truncated or edited down and in some cases maybe a bigger story but as it appears here in The Austin American-Statesman on March 1st 1994 page B3 you have a story of The Associated Press reporters interviewing the jurors

52:01 from the trial of this surviving Davidian after the assault and after they were put on trial, and so forth. The jurors were outraged. They were outraged by a bunch of things that they heard right there at the trial. They were mostly outraged... Their biggest outrage was from the government's own testimony And here is the single item You see those tanks? We saw those tanks, we saw them poking holes in the wall to pump gas in. We were told all kinds of things about what the gas meant." Here's what you were not told but the jury was told by the government, by the government own testimony Those tanks were not just poking holes in the wall to let gas in The governments strategy was to bring this residence occupied with men women and children down To demolish it with people inside

52:57 Those tanks went through those walls. If you looked carefully, if you watched during the day of the assault by the federal government, if you watched carefully, you would have seen some of those tanks going into those walls not just poking holes in but entering. They penetrated a runes length or more quote unquote from one of the jurors who was quoting the government's testimony. Ask yourself, if your tank driver Aren't you a little concerned about these children that you're supposed to be there saving? What if one of the children are on the other side of that wall? What if an invalid person is on the other side of that wall. Did any of the people die as a result of this?" Well, The Coroner's report says some of the kids our government was supposed to be saving died from blunt force trauma to the skull. What the goverment tried to tell everybody at the cover up

53:53 These people, the people who lived there near Waco at Mount Carmel in that residence, they bashed in the skull to their own kids. That's what kind of kids they were. This was a story put out there. Now one of the coroners broke rank. One of the government's own coroners was so outraged that this was the cover story, that he went on national TV and of course wasn't going to get ABC or NBC News He got the best that he could which was a Maury Povich episode or what have you You know one of those second line little talk shows some call them trash talks but on that particular day Povich had a serious issue

54:37 Dealing with what went on a hundred miles up the road from here and this coroner expressed his outrage. He said See people didn't bash in the skull for their own kids What happens is you have one forced trauma to the skull that resulted from? The tank assault That's right folks your government the one we pay for the one that is supposed be bound by the Constitution ordered personnel, government agents to climb into tanks and run those tanks through those residences. that were occupied with men, women and children. And some of those children died as a result of that tank assault Now the question is... We've been wandering over it This is almost overwhelming It's like what can we do? What can we do? Why don't you know I mean Can we just sort of forget about this? It happened long time ago There are no statute limitations on manslaughter and murder If you or I get into a tank

55:39 and run it through your neighbor's house with your neighbor and kids still in there, you or I are going to be indicted. And we should be because that is against the law! There is no constitutional authority for the U.S. government to order an agent to climb into a tank and run that tank through the wall of a residence that occupied with men women and children You start with indictments of the tank drivers and anybody who gave them their orders. And you know, probably... Those government agents who are the tank drivers might have kind of an extra motivation to tell us a lot more than we've been told about what went on. That is the way to do the investigation, you start with these indictments and work up the line who gave them orders? What else is being covered up now here's the reason they're doing it again if that If you didn't get the article before its the Austin American Station March

56:43 Page B3. You can go to the library and look it up There it is, the Associated Press story. The interview of the jurors at the trial of the survivors of the Mount Carmel assault and part of that story in addition to their outrage over other things that were done, part of that story is the outrage over running a tank through a residence occupied with men women and children there's nothing in law, there's nothing in the Constitution, there's nothing the government has that can justify those actions And folks, this is now the ball is in your court because while our government has done dastardly deeds in the past they've been off camera.

57:28 This time, they did it in front of you. They did it on camera with national news hooked in If you watched as it happened and saw the tanks going in And what their attitude about you folks is that You don't deserve freedom or a constitution because your not doing a fucking thing about it except for George and Jeff, and a few people...a handful of people. And yet let's see if the government's reaction to this is to attempt to crack down on public access TV because people are using language that expresses their feelings

58:05 about their government running tanks through a residence occupied by men, women and children. I brought this issue up on computer networks and in the middle of debates where people were going all over the map arguing about well is it CS gas? Is CS gas usable? Well you know wasn't the wind blowing through... And they were all- The denial was very strong George probably went through this same experience himself You don't want to believe this about your government Because if it's true, where does that leave you? But once this issue of the tank drivers getting into those tanks and running tanks through these residents that are occupied with men women and children. Once that

58:48 Once that's made credible with an absolute citation, something that you can go look up in the library. They can't get around that. The nature of the debates on the computer nets changed. What happened is most people changed their opinion about whether the government was doing something wrong and a few people who were still in denial were making absurd statements like prove to me that the Associated Press didn't lie about that. Real glad you guys are doing this And folks, there better be more than just this handful of people who are doing it for. You don't deserve the freedom and you never know when the tank will show up in your neighborhood. I want to make a... one of things he said is that it was done in front of cameras The only reason we have some these pictures because a fellow who's living east of Dallas his name was Fortnoy or something like that woke up in middle of night one night came down and had all this

59:47 and he was able to lock in into the downloading of the computers, they would take the pictures in Waco and send them up to the satellite. And then send them to Washington. He intercepted... And he intercepted the pictures before it got to Washington. For 56 days, he sat there and jammed these tapes in to get these tapes in. That's the reason that we have these pictures It wasn't because somebody said come and take a look at it They were keeping the press miles and miles and miles away. And so, by God's will or whatever it was somebody lucked out and was able to lock in on this stuff and that is the way we realized that this atrocity happened. So we accidentally saw what really happened? Yes sir! Okay next caller you are on the air Thanks for taking my call George Humphrey I am glad to see your step up on this one

1:00:46 Who is this? My name is Charlie. Hi, Charlie... whoever you are! Yeah, there's a couple of points I'd like to make In his book The Prince Machiavelli said rulers should be loved and feared but if they must choose only one it is better to be feared so I think the government has accomplished that and that's necessary he thinks for government to occur The other point I wanted to make is, I too saw the inside story and it infuriated me because I knew too much for it not to infuriate me.

1:01:25 But I spoke at a school board meeting once and I said the answer is truth. And this guy comes to me, he was running for Congress somewhere in South Texas and he said there is no truth or untruth, there is no right or wrong. This guy was educated at Harvard. He said there's no truth or untruth, no right or wrong. Truth is what people believe Now, if WACO, the inside story can be broadcast to an audience of millions and your program no matter how good it is Jeff only reaches a much smaller group then the larger group is not going to have access to things that will make them

1:02:17 know what actually happened. I agree. How do you, since you are a new one on this one George how do you think that this can be overcome? We as the people although we are free and we can speak and we may pay for what we speak, it's very possible that we'll pay for what we speak. But there is no way even though you are free to get the quantity of truth out there that is necessary to make people believe what is so.

1:03:04 Okay, let me just mention first off can we put that address back up there again? I want to go ahead and they wanted me to mention that this is the PBS station actually put together. This is the one who put it out The program was made out with a company in a station in Boston That was put out by PBS And so what would you actually ask people to do with these right well I'd write letters saying if they were outraged that they would put such such blatantly dishonest information out and ask that the Davidians or somebody else give the other point of view. More importantly, I think...

1:03:45 Work for world peace, but do it locally and our most effective means is going right to klru To the people who live here in the city And I truly believe that maybe I'm being optimistic But I believe the people at klru are good folks and that you know if they get enough complaints that they're gonna Respond let's put that back up again to the klru go ahead George if you want to go ahead answer this oh man That's the $64,000 question and the only answer to it. Is there is no white knight that's going to come in over the hill and save us. The only way we're going to save ourselves is when each of us dig in, do our homework and stand up for our constitutional rights. You know... the price of freedom is constant vigilance Those folks who 200 years ago wore those funny looking wigs

1:04:39 They had something going for them. They knew what they were talking about. They did a perfect job on the perfect document It's incredible and you know when I was taught about them in high school, I thought they were just kind of funny old men but the more i read about history of our founding fathers and mothers The courage that they had and spiritual strength that they have And clearly it wasn't a perfect world, clearly they didn't end slavery and it wasn't a perfect world. But the document of the Constitutional Republic that was put together is something that I think all of us need to give second thought to and think about because without a set of laws to protect us against the powers of men is that they are going to use their technology to enslave us

1:05:28 And folks, you know ten years ago if people had said Berlin Wall was coming down everybody would have gone no way it happened just like that. Well George did you watch the House and Senate hearings? They started out real good and then they progressed into a Democrat arguing with the Republican and then the thing was lost. Then they ended up covering up They found out what they had to cover up and then they put the staff at work coming up with ways to cover up what they had to cover up. The truth was presented in the first parts of each meeting there,

1:06:17 I'm very discouraged, George. If we can't get the truth out in a school board election how can we get the truth out in something that is national and international like this thing? The only way you can do it is mouth to mouth Tell all your friends what's going on And don't just when they say oh you must be a weirdo or you're kook Don't accept that Well, you need to pass the word on. Those are nice words and those words don't work They don't work The media is out there and people spend hours watching the media And if you have access to the media You can sell anything you've got ideas

1:07:05 untrue that i think it's a powerful anything you want to have listen fellas uh... thank you for the for this and and i'm proud to be uh... i'm proud to be in this country where i could speak like this and i think maybe something good can't cover it and uh... uh... uh... it's it's i am proud to be american citizen and and could speak like this and thank god we're not bosnia or are some of those other places where people resort to violence on a daily basis like our government resorted to violence one day. But you can't take this freedom for granted, it'll be gone if we don't take action and by talking about it... Okay thanks for your call Charlie. I want just mention anybody who's interested in Galen's book, we can put the number out here where'd he get that hair little bit? 370- let's call the comment line and okay lets go on with another caller

1:08:03 Let's try another caller. Hello, you're on the air. Thank you In my studies of this, a lot of times I find myself getting like that last gentleman really upset because it is... It's really confusing to me to constantly see. You know it's like 200-1 you know we're the 1 they're the 200 because they control 90% of radio almost all television And I know some people at ACTV and I've talked to people during the things, and most of you don't know this but ACTV almost got shut down this year. It came about two inches from getting turned into a warehouse. I was told this by one of the communications commission people. Pat Garlinghouse doesn't get here personally but I was speaking to her

1:08:56 She's the lady that runs ACTV here in Austin. And she told me that now ACTV is 100% run by Austin Cablevision and if they pull the shot, and they were so gracious just to cut funding by a third and it might not be open in a few years So, you know folks we need to start standing up for our only free speech venue except for going down the corner and yelling. And if folks anybody that's seen what George and what Galen and what Jeff are saying I wish y'all go back over those eight points because folks i saw the Senate hearings I saw them admit at the very first of it the FBI admitted that they pumped in a deadly poison gas that's been banned since 1969 because this stuff will kill you if you're inside a room

1:09:38 It's the equivalent of bug spray, folks. I saw this live on Arlington Vector and then like the last caller said, I saw them water it down and whitewash it. They'll bring the information out and both parties will just suffocate after they've gotten it out. You can say hey we brought the truth out so now put a wet blanket on it and then you can say see? We investigated and did a good job. We just got to focus on the media gatekeeper and people you better start going down to City Council telling them that you appreciate AC TV Because only the whiners are calling up and over the last few years more and more of this kind of programming's on That is really, you know shine a lot of truth on things or at least searching for the truth. We don't plan to know everything And that's why I need to support Jeff Davis for all those shows at ACTV Even if we do not agree with folks even hear some cussing or some garbage on them Folks This is what America is all about it This is the town hall of America

1:10:31 and all over the country uh... television stations uh... i mean community television stations are getting their screws put in them they're getting their funding cut, they're gettin shut down it's time to get involved or lose your freedom folks you'll wake up in twenty years and have a eighty percent tax bracket that's what it is forecasted for in eleven to twenty years you know, you will have police on your hands clinton was spread a million wire taps just last year thank god he got defeated And that's a fact too. So, Jeff you're doing great job and George Humphrey man he really comes across fantastic and I've read Galen Ross' book. I'd recommend it to anybody. It's more of catalogs of names than facts. People who don't think the CFR Council of Foreign Relations and the Trial Commission are all real... Well, well I have seen this on TV. I have seen them meet. There is show called Spiro Conversations

1:11:26 And it was on right before y'all showed and Mr. Spiro is a member of the Council of Foreign Relations, and he was sitting there talking about how he had big meetings in Houston stuff So folks this is real, it's all before Jeff showed I know Herbert real well, ran up against him and we'll get into how there's this new idea of how people from, you know all these elite colleges they get out and say there is no right or wrong it's what people believe. Well that's the kind of stuff Adolf Hitler preached and Joseph Stalin preached And if you start saying nothing matters well then its fine to kill your neighbor its fine to do whatever and then it's not right to do that I mean please comment on all this stuff folks Please go back over those eight points because That is damning evidence against the media and establishment Thank You

1:12:12 I want to just mention, George that you study like the inquisition of the Catholic Church and some of these other things in history. The masses have not fared too well against tyrannical tyrants. The more he read about this, the wilder it gets! You couldn't make this stuff up. It's so bizarre and it is so intertwined. Yeah, it is... Next caller? Good evening, gentlemen. How you doing? Good. Very good. How are you? Fantastic. Jeff I've heard ya all over town. I always like your line of thought. Thank you. I think that you speak for a lot of folks. Um...I'd like to make a quick comment and then question for you. Well we got a guest here. We got George Foreman Councilmember Humphrey and Galen Ross. Excellent! We can include them in too. And uh..you know I hate

1:13:05 a quote-unquote politicians if you will never answering the question so I'll give everyone an opportunity to answer your question here and First of all, I guess the comment is I'm a political science major Air Force counterintelligence for 20 years And by the way, DIA school Soviet awareness program in 1986 my hypothesis for my masters was the fall of the Soviet empire based on the fall of the regime in the Philippines just prior to that. Remember? a people power revolution. Anyway, I believe that it's true to fact that all trends start the lowest and least empowered rung of the ladder economically empowered and such And if you go all the way back 40s 50s probably most

1:14:01 Complicationally in 1968 the they cracked down on the Black Panthers, which was nothing more than just a citizens militia Okay. Am I right? Okay in 68 Jacob Hooper said they were you know The number one public enemy and then the now movement. I never ever have ever once heard any one on this program ever bring up the intentional, not even for you know well it was an accident. The intentional bombing in Philadelphia? No I have brought that up really I was absolutely against it In all honesty I believe we should be on the same par Oh yeah its the same as Kent State fact I was 10 years old

1:14:40 when I was protesting Kent State in May 4, 1970. Protesting what the National Guard did at Kent State So I have spoke out against all... But Waco, I think was The severity of Waco is that it was directly more right in your face There were no hiding They put the cameras right there They showed in front of America and the world tanks running through those structures Even at Ruby Ridge which I was against okay i mean they've been thinking of the bombings are going to be and i guess the one thing that i'm saying is this and uh... i'm a about white hispanic black individual okay uh... behind fifty seven but i think you're kind of leaving out of uh... entire sections of society if i may by not bringing up some of the other inflammatory issues that have to do with

1:15:34 uh... people in our society and believe me jeff i think you'll notice that i mean but what do you have to be able to happen for twenty years it always happens if you look at the facts of war activity drug abuse it always happens with the lowest on the letters if i can have a comment from from each of you gentlemen about how about the same exact thing like we go only with the minority I would definitely appreciate it. And lots of power, keep it up guys! Thanks my friend That's an extremely valid point and one that I didn't bring up But the major media kept on making it was like well these were white right-wing crazy religious freaks but there are people from several different countries there in 30% of the people who died at Waco were people of color and that's what the media didn't talk about because they didn't want different

1:16:28 minority groups in the United States to get upset about this. So, you know the fact is that Waco was a multi-racial assassination and that's one of the things I would hope all people of Austin and all people in the United States no matter what color they are realize that people of all colors were assassinated there. And nationalities! There were like 17 different nationalities represented okay good you're a good answer George you have a comment on that yeah I think regardless of race or religion are any other personal belief everybody has equal rights under the Constitution and we have to enforce those rights equally and without discretion or without discrimination with anyone. That's right all had the same rights, and we have to insist on that ok next caller your on air

1:17:23 Hello. Hello, Jeff. How you doing? George this is Vic Vreeland calling Hey what's going on Vic Vreeland? I haven't heard from you in a while Well we were scanning the band and I heard your on for three hours Three hours trying to do it to it Well I remember the first time I introduced George of NWO stuff he kind of looked at me with a cocked eye and said right then I heard from him about six months later You remember that George you bet I do Vic. I can see it perfectly right now and I thank you for your Your courage and putting this out in your in your in your being after almost every month I see either hear you on the Joyce Isaac show or someplace else And he really turned a lot of people under the truth. Yeah, well Joyce and Jeff there but they're about the last two

1:18:14 You know, the shortwave radio has a lot of good information and some of those famous long-time guests have fallen by the wayside. But I'm glad to see you in there, George because you lend credibility to the issues and and you have some prominence in the community You know it's a big help to all this stuff And uh...I'll get off the phone. I just wanted to say something that I've noticed more and more People should certainly know their Constitution and their Bill of Rights, but there's another little Document maybe Jeff will bring it up down down the line. That's the Communist Manifesto And the ten planks of the Communist Manifesto if people will look at those and read those they can see They really get a eye

1:19:08 eye-opening in the fact that our country nearly follows them verbatim. That's why it so, you know you scratch your head and wonder what is going on? And they have for about 75 years. Right! It is amazing how we were supposedly in Vietnam to fight the spread of communism George. If you look at what communism says We've been living under this kind of There's one thing I do want to mention to you. You basically said that when you were on the council, you believed a lot of this denial. Sure! I remember when Vic brought this stuff down in CFR. I'd known about it for years but I denied it and denied it and denied it... And Vic brought me down a thing on the Council on Foreign Relations

1:19:54 And it scared me so much. I mean, because it went against everything that I believed... ...that I didn't want to believe it and I see my friends when I introduce the same information to them and I'm sure you've had the same thing There's denial, then there is anger, then fear, ridicule if they have any courage, if they have any spirituality in them at all. They finally realize that what we're saying is the truth and they finally come around but you know for those of you who are talking about this stuff to others don't give up on your friends because in the last five years I've talked...I've had numerous friends who used to wouldn't talk to me about it, would ridicule it

1:20:40 or who just get angry about it, who now realize what's going on. And that's where it's gonna take... I use the word patriots and I don't use it lightly but it's gonna take patriots who support the Constitution having patience to talk to their friends and just keep giving their friends pieces of information and not giving up on them. And for the people who are listening, who are kind of in between again don't believe what we're saying but I really urge you to go out and get information and there's plenty of great books out there that can give you the whole history about whats going on not only about

1:21:19 Waco but about many other events and some of the larger events that you've talked about That are shaping our country in a very negative way, of course Waco is a symptom of all this And this is a good time to bring you in Galen You've written a book on something that some of these things But and I want to just mention this because we recently had a change in Canada man. Oh No, no. The rats were leaving the ship! Yeah but they're bringing in the same looking rats. This is a second team's coming? Yeah it was called the third team because the second team wouldn't stand up. Could you comment on that briefly? You had Albright who used to be an ambassador of the U.N., now she moved... She's part of these fine groups Go ahead Jim go ahead and take that away then I wrote a letter or sent a fax to Brian Lamb at C-SPAN

1:22:06 And this was about two days before the announcement of the first appointments. I said, Brian, I would like to make a bet with you and what I'm going to bet is that the next Secretary of State, the next Secretary of Defense, the Director of CIA and I named about six or eight different positions. My bet is that they're all going to be filled by members of the elite, and by elite I mean anyone who has ever been a member of the Bilderbergs, the County Foreign Relations, and the Trilateral Commission." And I said now if if I'm wrong on all of these, or if I'm wrong on just one of them then I lose but if I'm right on all of them you lose and for you to pay your share of the bet

1:22:56 is that you have credible authors or experts on conspiracy to appear on C-SPAN, on the Washington Journal for a one week time and allow call ins of people to inquire about conspiracy only for a weeks time. And if I'm wrong on just one of these appointments then I owe you and all your anchors a cup coffee or their drink of choice for entire week I never did hear from him, but it's going right on. Well Mr. Roth, I wouldn't take that bet. Hey Jeff? Yes sir. I'll get off and let somebody else... Someday we'll have to do a Federal Reserve show because it sure takes more than an hour, you know It's really hard to talk about our money system And once people realize about the debt-based money system then they'll You know it's frustrating and it's hard to tell people in a few minutes what's going on Well that's the answer if there would be probably wouldn't be any way through this event

1:24:02 I want to just mention we've got Greg Erickson coming in. We're gonna have Greg on about 15-20 minutes or so, he's Greg is another local expert in this area.

1:24:46 Hi, Gregor. He's coming along You're on the air caller. Hello! Hi! Hi Jeff. Hi George. This is Shelly calling Hey what's going on Shelly? Not a whole lot but I want to make a comment you know about our government Looking back at 1890s, 1990s me people were killed and that And look at Waco Our goverment The people who were involved in that they should all be prosecuted And I look at the people need to understand that when the Native Americans ask for help, they have an organization that's willing to stand up and go wherever it is in the United States. Canada, Mexico anywhere in North or South America. That's American Indian movement.

1:25:40 I believe that we need people to organize, to oversee what our government's doing for our people. Yes, we are headed for a communist country if we're not already sitting in it. This is my comment and this is my feeling. Because we have an organization that started in 1967, you know the American Indian movement. You know we've been to Wounded Knee We're sitting on Big Mountain in Arizona right now. You know? We're sitting in other places where the indigenous people or Native Americans are asking for their help. We need to have our own self-government

1:26:26 to control what our government's doing against their own people. I agree, those tanks... Those people need to be prosecuted and they need that we need to have a national organization you know? You have several groups that are... The problem is i think there would be chance, shall we, if they would be... If were to do that let say all of us Think it'd be a very good chance. It wouldn't be too long before they were infiltrated in fact some of these are already taking place and Shelley's group has been Infiltrated for many years, and our caller is a friend of mine his name is Shelly Williams I didn't know he was going to give a call but he's a Relatively new friend of mine. He is a member the Ute nation. He is a youth elder He's a relatively new

1:27:14 citizen to Austin, but he has really educated me on a lot of Native American issues. And it wasn't until not too long ago only ten years ago that Native Americans were not even considered citizens in the United States Only 10 years ago were they given citizenship Now clearly when I was young man I'd read about the Native Americans and hear about history and wipeouts and wound at knee and thousands Indians who are killed died but it really didn't sink into me Because it seemed like a long ways away now with Waco and I know the people who were killed there It's a lot more personal, and it makes me understand a little bit more what people like Shelly you know even though he comes from a different culture than I do he still in American and we're all Americans and most Americans are not aware of the abuses that

1:28:07 that have taken place to Native Americans not only in the 1800s, not only in the early 1900's but for the last 40 years. And you know there is a handful of Native Americans who maybe they're kind of rag tag and they don't-they're not very politically correct but they've been standing up and they have courage and I think that it's important for us to hear what they're saying too because they are good allies of ours absolutely we're all human beings we all believe red blood you know there is the god is well I actually have some red blood in me but the thing that I want to say is something that needs to be brought up, the people who were at Waco was the four colors of people right. They all believed in their particular religion but our government didn't want

1:28:55 to say that there was blacks there. They didn't want to say that there were Asian or Native people there, but there was Native Americans... There were three Native Americans who we're there and the thing it really gets me is they didn't wanna say this because they were afraid of riots from the black. They were afraid that the Asian people would gonna uprise. They are afraid that the Native American people will gonna uprise as well as the whites. The thing is, they didn't want to do that because they know if they had said something like that there would be riots throughout the United States But these are spin doctors and they know how to trade every bit of information to make it sound the way they want it to sound That's true And I think a key point to remember was the only information given to the public at FBI news conference

1:29:43 So there was no other effect. One of the signatures, Clive told me that he had one of his friends who's the one who put out that sign God help us we need to pray us Because there was just nothing that they could do. They were just sitting in there and their phone lines were cut off, everything was cut off... Well one of the things you know is that they put a lot of bright lights on other people at Mount Carmel at night And one of the reasons they did it is because people at Mount Carmel we're trying to get out Morse code I didn't know that That's something... Out to the people further away That's interesting information And then they put the bright lights on them so they couldn't contact the press It means incredible The same thing it would have been if they'd put on lights on us because we are trying to get out

1:30:21 you know, messages. Needed food, needed stuff like this is the same thing. They were doing the same thing FBI, ATF, same thing. Shelly it's good to hear from ya. Yes it is. Now hey give us a call back Shelly. Call us on the comment line. Don't let anybody talk you down. Okay just talking to ya. Thank You Shelly. Okay lets go ahead and finish up these calls then we gotta take a break. Yeah okay next caller your on air Okay, next caller you're on air. Yeah. Hi good you Pardon me Okay Okay Oh Okay, okay I'm sorry go ahead I was a guest there yeah, I'm sorry I have trouble with some members somebody's all right

1:31:21 But what I want to know is how come you don't hear nothing about them prosecuting nobody, none of the militias? The only thing you hear about is the Oklahoma bombers. That's all you hear about on TV You'll hear about them prosecuting nobody from Arizona, Georgia or Florida Where are they at on TV? One thing that kind of raises an issue for me is do you notice some of these Montana freemen now? Yeah, there's nothing happening I don't know if that's what you're driving at. For 60 days the Freeman were completely discredited and they were the most vicious criminals, bought these false money and all this stuff... Now that they've turned themselves in

1:32:08 Wait, trial or whatever? Nothing. It's just like this fellow that they accused of setting a bomb there in Atlanta They just had him convicted and all sudden their case went up in smoke Now they paid him off but they won't admit they're wrong There is a lot... the media definitely particularly national media where you are manipulating people Thanks for your call. You're on air, next caller Let's try to wrap up these calls here. You're on air Hi sir Well I was just about to comment about that Freeman Bureau About how it's not on the national media By the way one quick comment on that Elroy Schweitzer who is supposedly the leader of that Has been getting beaten in jail still Supposedly by the prison guards

1:32:59 And so, it's just the same thing all over again. Basically George, the way I look at these people is that they're political prisoners. Of course they are! That's just about what it amounts to... I mean anyway, I don't know if you would agree with that but that's my take on this. Not all of them, clearly there were questions about whether the Freemen were really working for constitutional rights or whether their... But we don't know? No, we don't want to. Okay thanks a lot my friend. Have you guys read the book called Boy Quentin? No. Do you guys like The American Spectator? It's a conservative journal. You mean The New American? I've seen it but do you like it?

1:33:53 Well, I'm not really into that magazine but I've been reading a little bit of this book called Boy Clinton written by the person who runs the magazine or whatever. It tells about all those dealings Clinton has done with like Chokane and Arkansas whenever he was governor. I just wanted to know what you guys thought about that? You want me to comment on it? Maybe the next show. I think Bill Clinton is guilty of many things that they're covering up. Mainly selling out to New World Order. That's right, yeah. Bill Clinton is a member of all three secret organizations. Appreciate your call. By the way George you are familiar with NAFTA GATT and all these things... Okay let's go ahead get this final okay we got one more caller on hold here then will do it we gotta take a break You're on air

1:34:46 uh... yes great program just one question that i wish i'll speak on and uh... i've read mr ross's book it is very informative and I'm enjoying hearing George talk about information his eight points were great, but he hasn't gotten back to those because that really proves we're going to let him sum it up here in a little bit sure well now like ill talk about this what seems to me is that the media and establishment knows how to sell people on, hey be part of the establishment. Join the establishment don't talk about the problems just go out and live, be quiet and I think that's how they're running the whole scam because people say hey i can buy into this I could just shut my mouth and live my life and I'll be fine you can't do that folks our taxes are consistently going up whether it's local property tax or national taxes

1:35:32 The average person, not a rich person pays over 50% of everything they make to some form of tax or another. Folks think about all the fines and fees and sales taxes and all this crap And understand that socialism communism is for the rich because they're multinational They don't pay taxes corporations don't pay taxes people pay taxes employees pay taxes corporations big one people to play out of the country special hot water but i'd like to have a good it's time for both what would you think so-called class any at the way to feel about it we're american and taxation without representation he is the highest order here in the power that power destroyed and all that great program please go back over the eight point they were well with us first they did prompt deadly poison gas into the compound that it could have

1:36:22 Okay, thanks one more call real quick. Just a quick comment or question you're on the air hi ma'am Hi Nancy Here's here's Galen Ross's book here We're gonna get to that a little bit anyway. We're just we're just okay, we're wrapping up the park I go ahead Nancy. I'm sorry We had a native American who was a native Oklahoma also Will Rogers said at one time as Time went on we would become one big reservation

1:37:15 this country would become a reservation. And I think that's pretty much what it's amounted to in the last few years, well the last 60 years at least It just gradually become that so...I think we really need to start studying our history and just see how this has you know how it has escalated and I'm glad to see you're still on. Oh yeah, we're hanging out! Okay bye Thanks You got a very good point there The goal of the elite is to have two classes The elite and the rest of us And there are several other terms for the rest of us which another term is near slavery but they're trying their best to eliminate the middle class They've done it through a number of different ways and they're getting very close to it

1:38:08 Okay Galen, we're gonna... I think you need to finish up here. So I want to go ahead and just first off George Humphrey it's a pleasure to have you on the program tonight. I'm glad to see that your stepping forward here Is there anything you'd like to do? You wanna through your eight points or something? Yeah yeah I do want to go through this and first of all I want to thank Jeff and Galen because they've been out their fighting and Jeff..I mean i'll tell ya what this guy has got a heart he is strong guy First thing, well it's true you know and it's like the show is kind of rag tag at times but the fact is that you're telling the truth. And all the pump and all the butter and stuff

1:38:48 doesn't hide the truth and you're telling the truth. And I think people around Austin, Texas are starting to watch this show so keep up. Oh yeah! Particularly getting more people like yourself to jump on board say that's what we need and that's why I'm glad that you decided step forward here tonight because Because I know we've been talking privately for a long time, and tonight you actually stepped forward and decided to say hey i'm going to start speaking out against some of this stuff. And I had too after I watched that show this week by PBS called Waco the Inside Story which came through KLRU I was so saddened and infuriated

1:39:26 that this show would go out and basically try to rewrite history, then I wrote a letter to PBS and the KLRU. And brought it down here. There's eight points that i want to put out in the people speaking to right now have been involved politics for since the late sixties and people I'm talking to are my friends who i used to demonstrate against the Vietnam war with, people I'd go to the you know civil rights demonstrations with when we first organized against South Texas nuclear project and did civil disobedience there. When we fight against MX missile when we fight for

1:40:02 for environmental rights and all the people over this last 30 years who've worked with me, who have been good strong leaders trying to work for what's right for this community. Suddenly on the biggest issue of the whole deal which is our inalienable rights, the right of all human beings to enjoy life liberty and freedom suddenly everybody is gone And what I'm saying to my friends who are in the liberal movement or whatever, because I don't think that's a proper term but... I'd say please wake up to the reality of the objective reality that the Constitution this country

1:40:42 and has given us the right to have the kind of life that we've had. Unfortunately, we've misused that right. We become far too engrossed in material issues and I think most people this country have gone from being proud of being citizens to being consumers. And then this is a spiritual issue more than anything else until we re-contact with God however whatever way you do it were not going to solve this problem so you know we can have all the political answers in the world, but until people realize that this is a spiritual issue we're still going to have trouble. So for those people who are listening there's eight questions I ask you to independently look at

1:41:22 Now this is referring to the KLRU story. This is according to the KLRU Waco, The Inside Story and I would ask that you look at this and call KLRU One no mention was ever made that ATF FBI or any other law agency had ever secured a legal warrant which they never did clearly this was a completely unconstitutional raid And so please that is the fact but go check it out for yourself Two, no mention was made of any crime against any other people living at Mount Carmel that would have necessitated such an attack. You know this whole show talked about the attack but no reason was given for it Three

1:42:07 No mention on the show was made of the nine survivors charged with felonies after the fact. All nine of these people were taken to a jury trial in front of their peers in San Antonio and all nine, on three different counts were found unanimously not guilty! All nine of those people are in separate jails right now being held as political prisoners, and this is unjust unright unconstitutional. And we need to demand their freedom." Four no mention was ever made that the FBI had secretly infiltrated Mount Carmel for a year previous to the attack I don't know whether this is legal or illegal but it's not kosher in my book

1:42:54 5. No mention was made that the FBI, again no mention was made on the television show that the FBI made an agreement with David Korsh and other members of Mount Carmel that if they would put his one hour tape on the scriptures on national radio for one hour that they would all come out. And they tried to trick Mr. Koresh and other people by putting it on some local shows, and they clearly lied. This was not mentioned on the show even though they tried to pretend that Mr. Koresh was lying. Again I'm not supporting David Koresh but the facts are the facts. 7, No number 6 this is a big one right here

1:43:35 No mention was made on this show that the ATF used CS gas to poison and kill people at Mount Carmel. Many of these people were women and children. CS gas is a chlorine petroleum product that has been outlawed by the world court as illegal, we cannot use it against our enemies and they can't use it against us, and yet we used it on our own people. This is an outrage of the highest degree! And people need...and don't believe me, don't believe Jeff go out find out for yourself. 7. On this television show the main speakers in this program are the hostage rescue team who tried to pretend like The Davidians ambushed them It's preposterous the size of lie of this show

1:44:26 when in fact there were no hostages. And you can call that the name that was put up earlier and talk to the Davidians yourself, and talk to them. There were no hostages. And eight...and this goes right into the heart of things which whether we have a free press or not in a very difficult time you tell if we really have a republic and constitution the press should tell both sides of the story In this show Clive Doyle who was living there, was given one and a half minutes to talk to tertiary issues. He was given no time to give the Davidian point of view What I'm asking is that everybody write and call KLRU And let them know that they're...that this show is just incorrect and blatantly false And ask for time for the Davidians To speak their own mind and give the story That it's only fair and appropriate

1:45:22 And I really appreciate Jeff for having the show and it's been a lot of fun. Thanks. I want to mention that we, well I would settle with them just playing apart of our show that we aired couple weeks ago. Clive and Kevin I think stated their position very eloquently. Wouldn't you agree? No they did great! So i think its just... Anyway George before we head into our break here is there any final comments you'd like to say to the viewers Yeah, folks you know a lot of these issues seem like they're long ways away and they seem very remote and for people who are you know Austin is prospering right now in booming and everybody's making pretty good money but the issues that we're talking about are not somebody else's issues there our issues. And unless

1:46:14 become citizens and really honor our Constitution, and really think about that. And really stand up for the truth and for not just the underdog but all citizens no matter what race creed or color is that government is going to continue growing relative size they're gonna continue to violate our rights in his Benjamin Franklin said either we all hang together or were all gonna hang separately This is not something that's far away, it's right here at home and that's why Jeff's show is so important. Thanks Alright with that I appreciate you getting we'll see you back a little bit George Humphrey. Yeah, always I appreciate coming down to the program and Catholic your one incident of 58 minute tape George I said yeah, thank you said you you watched it listen or listened to it. Yeah P o box five zero nine nine Waco Texas seven six seven oh eight three fifty-eight minutes And here's the Mount Carmel Survivors Memorial Fund Clive stated that he

1:47:13 he very much appreciates cards or letters that come to him, it lets people let's him know that people are still out there supporting at least what term would I use for this? Supporting them. Yeah at least they're open-minded too but they weren't what the media portrayed them as and also he is also requesting that people write and get information on where people can write the particular prisons for some of the Branch Davidians are getting beaten in. Apparently, Livingston Fagan has been getting beaten by some of the guards but anyway so if you're interested that you could drop them a line and that goes directly to Clyde Doyle and with that again I appreciate my guest for the first segment we'll back in a little bit with Greg Erickson and Galen

1:48:06 We got some video coming up and I appreciate it. God bless you George, appreciate it brother. Good job.