AJ Interviews Travis County Sheriff Margo Frasier [cbFirgKJ1es]

00:00 The Travis County Sheriff's Office thought it was making a big drug bust. A few weeks ago, from a helicopter officer saw what looked like a crop of marijuana plants but as KBSJay Carter reports that big drug bust turned into an embarrassing mistake It's been a few weeks now since the vice squad showed up at Sandy Smiths doorstep I came outside and There was a helicopter buzzing around. It was a black helicopter... Before she knew it, she was at gunpoint! Travis County Task Force agents searched the place bursting through doors and ripping down curtains. Never been in trouble with the law I mean i'm 56 years old you know The last traffic ticket I had was 20 years ago Those law officers said that they saw something very suspicious from up in that helicopter Something that appeared to be marijuana Then they looked closer and only found this Its mulberry weed

00:51 Is that amazing or what? Does that look like pot to you?" These mulberry weeds are really common in Texas. And I said, well you know...I said, I swear to ya, I'll cut down the weeds and put round up on them." But someone thought they saw pots and called the county cops. Now Sandy Smith is the talk of the neighborhood. So everybody down at the Chevron station was saying man they had Sandy spread out on the ground, spread eagle, they put their handcuffs And well, you can see me spread-eagled on the ground with handcuffs behind me. Plus they said man they found five big marijuana plants behind her house and they busted her! That's what everybody said, I mean my God!" After the search she says the agents apologized for the inconvenience

01:35 Now the sheriff says those officers did not have a search warrant. We're going to do an investigation and there are exceptions to the warrant requirements, what we will do is look to see whether or not those exceptions were there so whether or not our conduct was completely proper. Meanwhile Sandy Smith says the whole mess could have been avoided when they could cause me to had heart attack you know let's hear got my blood pressure up in Western Travis County Jay Carter K view news Sheriff Margo Fraser tells us she's sorry if the raid ruins Smiths reputation in the neighborhood. She says she is still investigating what happened. Mrs Spears, I'm Alex Jones. I have a question for you okay there are a lot of people that are not even considered middle class they're losing their homes due to property taxes

02:40 And we have seen the rates of property taxes go up and up and even while people can't sell their homes because of the watershed laws. What's your opinion on that? I really don't have an opinion on that, I wasn't aware a lot of people are losing their homes Oh nobody is losing there home? I didn't say nobody but not a lot of people A lot of people aren't No a lot of people aren't How do you feel about making people support public schools where the test scores have dropped from number one 50 years ago to number 49th now with their property taxes? Isn't that a form of feudalism? I haven't the foggiest notion of what they're talking about. Well, you do tax talk! Yes we do tax talk. I mean I heard everybody congratulating themselves on here about it

03:23 We collect the property taxes for jurisdictions in Travis County as the Constitution of the state of Texas requires. So I'm probably not a person you need to be talking to." How many bureaucrats were here today, about 100? I have no idea and they were all being congratulated for their departments going from...I heard one parole officer and truancy officer bragging they went from seven to 107 I don't know what you're talking about. The ceremony in there was for years of service to Travis County. I understand, how many homes will be lost due to the 13 million overage on the county budget?

04:00 I'm not sure that any home will be lost. Well, aren't you all going to have to turn up the heat and squeeze some more people? We're not squeezing people we're simply collecting taxes... Simply enforcing a law? Enforcing the law... Ma'am i'm not being sarcastic when I say this was Martin Luther King bad whenever he went and sat in at the lunch counters was taken to jail and beaten because it was the law that black people couldn't use water fountains or go in and sit at lunch counters or what about when that one lady refused the law because she thought it was wrong and sat at the front of the bus. What about it? What about Rosa Parks? You act like all laws are holy and sacred, that nothing's wrong with them My grandparents have had their house attempted to be stolen They're over 75 years old They live in modest South Austin homes Something is wrong here We don't steal anyone's home You don't steal homes No we don't Y'all put liens on homes

04:57 There's a tax lien that is attached at January 1st of every year for every property in the county. So you're not stealing homes, I see? That's correct we're not stealing homes Oh they are your homes, I see they haven't paid so they are your homes No They're your slaves? No. Because you're the local vice-rector? I'm none of that, I'm a local tax collector period. You are the local tax collector how do you sleep at night very well thank you you sleep very well knowing the families you've wrecked we've not wrecked any families we have not taken any homes you've not taken any homes that's your

05:33 You're saying the county's never taken any homes. I didn't say never So we haven't taken any home not aware of it I've seen y'all listing the homes that have been taking and I've been mail things in the mail about auctions at homes are being sold by the hundreds Those are not necessarily people's homes where people are living what do you mean? There are lots of vacant lot No, they're making black. I've seen this lady right here She's having her house stolen Well, she's taken up with the window. She has! She is here every week. Every week. I have a servant at home. Okay last question... You say that you're not stealing people homes? You show the foreclosed homes on TV that your taking?! You've shown them on TV. Your trying to steal my home now ma'am. On channel 17. Thank you sir. What about my cameraman? Your trying to steal his house. Well he can come to the office and we'll talk about his house. He can come to the office? Ma'am hey were no some type of evil people

06:28 Ma'am, and you said that the heli... You said that we're a bunch of conspiracy theorists sheriff. You know these helicopters are being used Sheriff! These helicopters are being used for surveillance. You know they were putting flare on them, you admitted it. Yes they put flare on them What about the feds? We stopped the Delta Force what about the Delta Force Sheriff? I'm Alex Jones and i'd ask that she get the microphone out my face. You want the microphone out your face?! I'm sorry ma'am, I'm sorry for trying to report the news Look Yeah My name is Alex Jones You know who I am Son Lightner

07:06 Now, just sun lightening to me. Just another bureaucrat now I am here and i have been nice the last few months and know y'all personally don't care. I haven't even come down here when I did come down I was polite but people want to go around calling a conspiracy terrorist that's fine im gonna go ahead start taping you all showing your lies showing your back dealing show your back stabbing and I'm going to make it my mission to sit there and talk about you guys. And by the way, I've started on my first steps being national on the radio now this is unbelievable the Delta Force is coming back not some foggy conspiracy theory like Judge Elshire likes to go and tell his little pumps and friends of course Elshire's in the telephone right now disrespectful minions

07:56 Delta is coming back. We stopped them, we went down and confronted Chief Nee. We had a good police chief like Ali Phillips from San Antonio to stop him May 5th, May 6th and May 7th, San Antonio Express News will talk about them blowing up buildings and shooting into all night restaurants I know it's compartmentalized in that area That's because of the news blackout and the control The local press down there saw some leadership in Howard Peak, the mayor and the police chief A rare thing for first city in the country standup to secret military teams They were coming in late June. That was back in May, we caused a lot of problems and stopped Delta from coming in and training at least with the open consent of this court and the city council Here it is City of Austin Travis County emergency workers are scheduled to receive training in November under the initiative workers in San Antonio Houston Dallas received training earlier this year Pure lie they were thrown out And they're not emergency workers They are the Delta force In this article from The Statesman yesterday

08:54 That was the Monday, August 3rd. People don't want to check it out They have experts saying why is President Clinton out of these billions of dollars just spending three percent on emergency care? Why is it going to the Pentagon? Why's it going to National Guard and special Marine and Delta Force teams? On and on Wow! Another conspiracy I talked to Nelda Wells Spears out there The lady that takes people's houses And she said they don't take houses. Well, I see it on Channel 17 when they show all the houses they've taken that they're selling. I guess it's a conspiracy when we got the sheriff Margo Fraser to admit that two of them are going to be used for surveillance with infrared and they are gonna use by the Sheriff's Department. I guess the people who were out camping and stuff in helicopter flies over and checks him out couple minutes scares him. I guess that's a conspiracy

09:42 I guess that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. I guess that's a conspiracy! I gues Stalin, Hitler and Mao were all just foggy conspiracies They didn't kill masses of people they didn't suck off people Now i'm not saying y'all are like that but you're pompous and full of yourselves part of this fad driven junior high culture There's some people that are willing to take sacrifices. There're some people that are willing to stand up for what's happening. To everybody out there in Austin, San Antonio is free of the secret military teams and the federal payoff money. Ali Philippus? They attempted to bribe him I have it on tape. I'll re-air it for 25th time tonight at around 930 on cable channel 10

10:21 This is not a conspiracy and I challenge you to tune in and see the unedited 20 minutes of a police chief warning the public. Another conspiracy! This is Voth & SS in our streets, Clinton is militarizing the country And I am Paul Revere here in Central Texas. I'm warning the public, but i'm not saying to arms to arms they want that They want to slowly incrementally turn up the heat Stop the Delta Force call your commissioners They'll act like you're crazy they'll act like your nuts But tune in and see the chief of police See Stephen Berry former Delta force commander See it and hear it all for yourselves tonight at 9.30 on Channel 10 Sir, you let others go farther I'm telling you Elshar, I've tried to back down and be nice And just say well they're... You know they're just bureaucrats But do you want to go around a bad mouth me on the radio and stuff? I'm gonna counter you This is reality not conspiracy It's not funny Elshar!

11:16 You do have Y2K and all the rest is coming up. I feel sorry for you guys, okay? Because I'm not going to be out there with the guillotines Okay? I'm gonna be supporting you and defending you Don't you understand that veneer of civilization is very thin Elshire Very very thin Elshire! If you don't have a mandate...you are a liar! You're lying to the public It's disgusting Thank YOU Elshire for subverting the Constitution Stop the Delta Force I'm not understanding it. Each time, I'm not understanding it. I'm sorry but there's something wrong with this picture and as American citizens we have to look at the full picture There is something wrong with this picture. Somebody be beside me for a second. So you're just over here making sure we're good? Hey did Elshire call y'all over

12:16 Hey, there's some property out there y'all need to go enforce the IRS taking. There are people that are being evil. In fact hey Mike, Mike drives a bus for living and they take withholding from him and his wife but he just got a thing from the IRS that he underpaid three years ago so with back interest it is about $4000 you all can come take his house if he stands up ya'll can shoot him. No we're talking about his house! He was evil They take withholding out of his check. He's causing a problem, don't you know a criminal when you see one? Don't you know evil get his property Get it! Take his camera. Get his property he got property Nelda well listen You don't think nelda well spears uh that old whatever Uh is going to be able to take his property we need you commander order your forces in

13:14 We need that property. What have you been doing? Oh, nothing much just screwing around quite a bit. It's been quiet. Be serious! So sir you're saying they did call y'all over because we were here I don't know who called but they said come on over and just Hang around so we're here you're taking away from us from our regular job, but there's so much property out there to seize We don't are you worried about us? We don't do property. Oh protect the bureaucrats I say we don't do property Y'all got your your people in black to protect you yes

13:54 I'm just wondering where the twin thunderbolts are. Let's get back to the... There is the twin thunderbolt. The main issue is what did they call, that was ridiculous. Hey when are they going to start wearing, hey hold on. When are y'all gonna start wearing the caps with little aluminum skull and crossbones? So stylish! They are stylish but it's a little bit warm this time of year for them though. I got a question, you asked me a question. Did you get that? No I asked if, do they call the SWAT when 24 and all of them show up? Where's Chris? Yes sir, since I don't have a criminal record. I'm just asking since they called the SWAT team for the second time when i'm here how come y'all don't do it when the 24 comes? They usually don't go in there raising hell Alex! The SWAT Team two of us oh yeah

14:41 Yeah, plus they got some more sheriff department over there swarming around. We was in the wrong place at the wrong time again. Oh no that's not what it is! No no no. Oh call a SWAT team on us again. No but seriously you were talking about that stylish y'all gonna start wearing little death's head? You know that's BS. Couple lighting bolts here outside? That's BS. Well you've got the boots and outfit hell. These boots are comfortable all we need is a Vought the NSS over Fuhrer. Mike, tell me about this new movie. Lieutenant Beck commander of the Travis County SWAT team

15:26 Look, they call y'all over here again and some Sheriff's Department people when all we're doing is coming to speak. Isn't it more violent what the IRS does and what the county tax assessor Nelda Wells Spears and all of their hordes of bureaucrats eating out the peoples substance? Isn't that violent to take peoples homes with force? I don't know what you're talking about, Alex. Everybody's... isn't that criminal? We don't get involved in stuff like that But you do get involved with an asset forfeiture seizure No You collect the goods and... Sheriff! No The only thing the SWAT team does here in Travis County besides SWAT duties is serve felony warrants What does the sheriff department do they They do the asset That's law enforcement for the county no we don't do that stuff Now I'm saying but the county does asset forfeiture I don't know I know the sheriff department doesn't

16:14 Really? We don't assist the IRS or anything like that. Well, they have to! The sheriff has to go with the IRS They always bring a sheriff when they go Maybe some of the constables do but that's not the Sheriff Department So it's constables Probably So Lieutenant Beck who aids the IRS How do you mean aid them Who goes with them when they take their family home? I don't know I've actually done stories on IRS agents Some people resembling- some people, I've done stories on IRS agents. Some resembling elephants coming in with dog deal on their shoes and tracking around peoples' houses and saying, I'm gonna bid on that. That ain't cool! We can talk about that? No, no, I been here at the Sheriff's Department 24 years and uh...I worked nearly every assignment here and we have never done asset forfeitures

17:12 against you know IRS. But you've done asset forfeitures for other stuff? No, are you talking about the narcotics guys that like for drug smugglers taking their cars and stuff we have done that yeah but that's a narcotics that we don't. Well Central Texas is a lot better than Florida and Louisiana they do it big time oh yeah if you want to hurt them that'll hurt them but we don't do going out on homes with IRS uh-huh who does that the constables? I'm gonna guess you might talk with the Elfont over here. They made it I'm serious, i want in about a month or two and I am promoted on the radio and everything will raise money for charity and part of can go to y'all's favorite charity let's have that shooting contest alright I'd forgotten about that I've got you know we'll defeat you You realize I'll out shoot ya? Are you gonna let me take one my guys right yeah my snipers against you Yeah, I wanna shoot

18:10 I'm gonna try to shoot against you. We can do that! That'll be taken out of context. Sir, let me tell ya...I haven't even shot my rifle in about a year but if i get that thing out into the range one time and it's over I'll be shooting in the same hole You don't believe that, do you? Well if you can line it up let me know. If it's for charity yeah we'll be interested in that Okay We're gonna have that shooting contest We will Set it up Tell us real fast Lieutenant Beck before you head out of town I know you've been working hard all week How come y'all are so cowardly That you won't have a shooting contest with me When I'll defeat you up and down the street No one backed out Sheriff Frazier determined It would probably be In the best interest not to do it

18:59 Some people would take it in good light and support it, and I'm sure there were other people who would take it the wrong way. And give us all a hard time about it. Commander of the Waffen SS thank you. Where are you called over? With your other forces That's... they're out working We just happened to be in the office doing some paperwork Well my office is right across Who called you?! Seriously, I don't know. You just got a call from the chief saying? No it wasn't me it was one of the girls when the secretary says that y'all may want to go over there so There's more than Alex Jones There are some people come in here that can get pretty disruptive Talking about that one guy who is trying to get his property back The city sold some land and cut off his right away now his property is worthless

19:57 I don't know who was that. Marston? Yeah, the guy's been begging for years. They've been going through that for years. He looks dangerous! Well you know...I don't know the particulars of that but they do have some kind of rules over here You can be up hollering What happened to your head commander? Busting through a door That's stairs and that's a sailboat Our Waffen-SS commanders get in the field, they fight and make sure the property is transferred. And we fall down stairs. So there you have it your Waffen SS commander of the regional governorship Lieutenant Beck in person I'm gonna get this let's be serious Mike

20:46 Lieutenant Beck, we just turned the camera off. And of course we've been joking around this morning because you're a good guy even though the bureaucrats called you again and your associates but You said that you don't know where to get it Delta Force is coming We played the chief of police in San Antonio He threw him out for trying to bribe him It'll be on tonight at 930 on channel 10 I mean... This is no-no They're coming! They're coming No they are not The deputy chief of police said it Well we stopped them, we raised hell Unless he knows They were coming in late June Unless Chief Mills knows something that I don't, but this last... was it two months ago when they were in San Antonio? Yeah. Now they had contacted me and I had spoken with them and their intentions were to come here and do some training in Austin but the incident down in San Antonio soured them and they left so Well wait a minute! I was told now see you're... They said that to you we're soured we're mad sir

21:45 Mills said on Sammy and Bob other programs. I talked to chief me face-to-face They were coming but after we did the report show the Chief of Police He tried to bribe a chief of police if you tune in tonight, you'll be able to see that don't you realize that? I got it on tape they tried to bribe LA Philippus in San Antonio. I Don't know that. Well, they got billions of Clinton money. Do you trust Clinton controlling our elite forces for himself? Oh Did you read yesterday's statesman cover page? All these experts are saying, why is only 3% of this anti-terrorism funding, these billions of dollars going to actual rescue. It's all going to secret military teams, Marines in the streets with local police Delta

22:25 I wish they'd funnel some of it my way. Oh, you want some of that? Yeah. A few armored personnel carriers... Some more stormtroopers? No we don't need any more personnel We need better equipment and stuff like that Well i'm not afraid of police with good firearms. I think y'all should have automatic semi-automatic whatever you want but what i'm concerned about is the general public The government always trying to disarm us Isn't it true that just criminals and then the government will have guns because criminals don't follow laws Why should we just talk about fighting citizens That's entirely different issue How do you stand on that I am for the citizens' right to bear arms. Well, that's being taken away. Brady too is fixing to go through it. Well, I'm against the Brady bill and all that but... Oh well so is the Supreme Court but the states and Clinton just ignored their ruling ruling in unconstitutional on state rights issues of the 10th Amendment

23:15 Clinton doesn't care. They don't follow the government, Clinton does what he wants. Clinton's time is about up. You think so? I think so. Well Commander, again your strike forces have done well another victory Here we are Alex you always turn things I like the Cobra, the Strike Cobra, get a shot of that I'll see you commander.

24:04 They're both Starflight, and Starflight involves all the functions that are committed. They use them for tactical purposes on fire when there's major fires. They use them for EMS as their primary mission. They've also used them through law enforcement. We discussed that in here and some darn good examples- Well sir I'm here to ask questions And so...I mean.. I'm not trying to run over you. I understand i'm not trying to run over you The point I'm trying to make is When I came in here, what was it? Three or four months ago on this issue or two or three months ago. It was almost like it was a joke me saying that these were going to be used for law enforcement and at that time and I have the tape you were saying that it wasn't gonna be used for law enforcement That it was star flight to save people You said it over and over again record recitation records is the record one At the time there was request from sheriff to actually have one of the helicopters we currently have instead of taking it

25:01 to assign it to the Sheriff's office, they have full time. We declined to do that however we have on a restricted basis subject control by EMS not by the sheriff offered to allow their EMS helicopter be used within budget for operating when they need it on incident call And when they are proceeding with a limited amount of time available to try and assist law enforcement, the examples that they have given. And when they have used our flight make all sense in the world especially for chases or instant persons things like that those are good applications for a helicopter but we're not going to find a helicopter in this budget So what you're saying is it's really apples and oranges

25:50 But the comments have been that I'm a conspiracy theorist and making up wild delusions. All I had was the sheriff saying one thing, you saying another news reports on radio and television about them being used for law enforcement and that's why I had little trouble with it as it being called Starflight and here it being included with the Sheriff's Command Center. Now I know you say now y'all don't know they're going to be combined but in the original order. No, no sir I'm not talking about this agenda remember you probably don't have a lot of things on your plate all the time but i remember I went upstairs and I got to print out the purchase orders you know and you were arguing with people about how many sinks why is it over budget? And all the rest that in repelling ropes and three acre

26:47 warehouse yeah yeah framing the budget well it was over which I'll appropriate exactly but that's what i'm talking about here you act like I was a mental patient because I said this is for law enforcement When it is for law enforcement. Now, it's still foggy here isn't going to be included or the helicopters gonna be based at the new Sheriff Department command center? So So what has changed? Even if they were, there was no proposal to base them at the sheriff's place as opposed to consider co-locating facilities so that we didn't go by one site only for one purpose and another site for another. And continue to scatter the county functions generally but to see whether or not...

27:42 We went out and solicited proposals from people who would offer to sell the property to us, to see if we'd like to have some functions in one location. Some in others. All of them in one place. And we are currently evaluating those proposals and I would hope that they're back here in a couple weeks." So my own personal impression right now is that it is not likely that the Starflight hangar and the Sheriff's Substation will be on the same location. Well I think that's a good idea because not for this court but future courts, uh...it's very easily stepped into especially with what we have going on with the federal forces in the secret programs which aren't so secret anymore. Do you understand though?

28:26 They were talking about the hangar, the garage, the mechanic shop. It's not the base so even if they were there when the helicopters that were there that's not the base. Well sir I'm sorry it's just when i read the original packet which i have at home that you then told me was old even though it was like four or five days old The bureaucrats are in here, the people that sell y'all hundreds of millions of dollars flow past y'all. Y'all are just sitting there wildly rubber stamping half the time because even if you tried to look... Well, I'm not Look, I'm not saying that you don't try and trim the budget Okay? And-and there's no hope for the city but the only point i'm trying to make is I read it and there was It didn't say could be or may be separate If ya go look at it I sure don't want me sit here start reading stuff to you

31:23 the growth of law enforcement across the nation. I'm sure you know since 93, the country's gone from 390,000 to 490,000 plus police. Do you think that's good? Yes because i think what we've seen also is a reduction in the crime rate across the country so basically the criminals know that they're more police out there on the streets, so they're being hesitant about abusing people. Yeah I think that if people feel they are going to get caught then that's the ultimate deterrent to crime and ideal situation is people don't ever commit a crime you know? That's the best thing for public second best thing is they commit crime we catch them

32:04 But the deterrent effect, what criminologists will tell you is that most criminals don't think they're going to get caught. And so anything you can do to create a concern of being apprehended then your more likely to keep people from committing crime and have fewer victims I don't have a problem with having more law enforcement as long as it's locally controlled, but uh...I've got many interviews with different police agencies even. I've even talked to your own Lieutenant Beck before and he has admitted that they train with the military on military bases are you aware of that? We do some of our, we do some training out at Camp Mabry as far as using their facilities particularly for like our night firing and that sort of thing. That they've been kind enough to let us use their base facilities and I wouldn't call it training...I mean there are a couple different activities that we've done to get some training from the military as far as techniques

33:02 But when we go out on different missions, it's locally controlled by our officers and our chain of command. Well that's certainly good. Are you familiar with what has happened out in California? They actually train and are in secret programs with the military. It's on September 23, 1997, Laird News Hour where the commander of the LA SWAT team says I can't talk about it, it's secret. That is happening a lot of your major cities and I know that Austin is smaller compared to other cities but so Law enforcement, local law enforcement believes it needs to go learn some tactics from the military? Well there are things that we can learn from a lot of different sources. The same thing I send my officers off to be trained by the folks who run Safe Place which is the old Center for Battered Women so wherever you can get the techniques and skills

33:57 that are available, I think it's a good thing to take advantage of those things. So you're speaking about domestic violence and things? Yeah the fact that in the same way there are certain techniques used by the military that are helpful in law enforcement although obviously its an entirely different thing, whether or not you're over trying to take back Kuwait or whatever you're doing in today's army and what we do in this local law enforcement. But yeah there have been some times that we've trained with the military

34:35 About three months ago, I got word that Delta Force was in San Antonio attempting to bribe the police chief, Ali Philippus. And I didn't believe it, Sheriff Frazier. I went down there and he had me into his office and I've played it many times if you ever want a copy of it, I'll give you one. He talked about how they tried to bribe him and other officials how they were dishonest, how no was never no and then know was still never know. And then he talked to his peers in other cities from Miami and New Orleans, Charlotte North Carolina are you familiar that the Delta Force fired into all night restaurants during training missions caused a hundred thousand dollars damage to a warehouse in New Orleans? And actually crashed a helicopter in Houston I'm not really all that aware of their activities I know that they haven't been

35:29 to see me and I don't know that they've been to see Chief Neal as far in the operations here. Deputy chief Mills said on a major radio program, Sammy & Bob show couple months ago that yes Delta is coming to train and when some callers called in and said well shouldn't we have input he said why this is law enforcement And I think you might need to know, since you're not aware of it that we've got Lieutenant back on tape. Very friendly guy. We came out and asked him questions and he's very honest. He said yes the Delta Force has been contacting him so your SWAT team commander... I'll find out about it Yes ma'am Your SWAT team commander has well that's see that's not your fault That's exactly what Allie Phillip has said These people sneak around and they'll go above you and they'll go below you They do this quite often

36:24 How would you feel about it if Delta Force asked to come into the working class areas of Austin and do some mock air and ground attacks on warehouses? Well, I'm... It's kind of hard for me understand exactly what they're doing. I mean, obviously there is no reason to do anything that is going put public safety at risk There are folks in the eastern part of our city and county that feel occupied already sometimes, I've heard them say. And I don't think it'd be very appropriate to be doing any sort of activities that causes concern in the public. We're always very careful when we do...we have to obviously train and do different things so we're always really careful to make sure that we do it

37:10 that we don't alarm the public and then if we're actually going out to a particular area, that we advise all the people in the neighborhood exactly what we're doing so they are not wondering whether it's real live activity and causing concern among the public. Well there is a comment you just made some people feel like they are in occupied territory and I think Austin better about its law enforcement than other big cities but I would definitely In fact, I should have brought you Xerox copies and had you read over them from the May 5th, May 6th and May 7th San Antonio Express News where...I mean I couldn't ask for a story like this. Firing into all-night restaurants This is the restaurant where people were in? This was a restaurant where people were in, this was training it was an accident. I was gonna say that but hope that wasn't on purpose No they what they do as they go in and lease warehouses And then literally do helicopter assaults on em

38:04 and they go inside and fired all these dummies and things, bullets fly out windows. One flew a quarter mile into an all-night restaurant went through the window into the table that's why we started talking about that and then we couldn't get any clear answers on whether or not they were coming when we called y'all where at this time we haven't been contacted whereas the police department was coming out on the radio and saying, yeah they're coming what's y'alls problem? Then we tried to talk to Chief Nee at an open house. And he said well call me and I'll meet with you. We still haven't gotten that meeting. I think this week were finally going to meet with him but that was our whole

38:41 That's all we're just wanting to make sure that people know about Delta Force, know what their track record is. And don't take it from me here right from Philippus he's a really nice guy I think he probably of course talked the sheriff of Travis County and just find out how they attempted to bribe him and I couldn't believe it when the police chief said that in my interview with him I was saying things like so they fire blanks no they fired ceramic bullets and it was just very shocking. But so at this time Delta Force is not coming in Travis County? Not that I know of but i'll check with Lieutenant Beck and talk with him and certainly hope I haven't gotten you and I, that's okay, certainly hope I haven't gotten him in trouble. That's okay people have to get into every once in a while now but uh and Chief Nee and I have

39:28 a good relationship. He seems like a nice guy, I kind of bulled in on him at the meeting... I'm good with that. At his open house? Now that can see he probably wouldn't be where you'd want to talk to him. He's trying to show off his police force not answer questions. Well i would be my normal voice or something Now this is a question I don't have any criminal record and I'm on television all the time and nobody that was down there That first time we came nine months ago at a criminal record And I had just simply said on my TV show that and on my radio show that I'm coming down to the Commissioners Court Talk about this ASAP program Absence student assistance program when I showed up. I was sitting in front row peaceably reading

40:11 the newspaper in the court agenda when members of the Travis County SWAT team approached me and actually sat down beside me and told me to watch my verbal utterances, gave me a certain code fire-in-a-theater type code. And I could halfway understand it then except for the fact that it was the SWAT Team And then it happened again this week, the SWAT team. But they didn't personally approach us they were just there Why does the Commissioner's Court or why does the county feel that I'm a threat? I don't know that I personally feel that you're a threat. I mean I think this week at the Commissioner's Court you were getting pretty anxious and... I said you were excited last Tuesday's meeting and that was concerning

40:57 Sheriff Frazier, how come the SWAT team has now been called out to the Commissioner's Court meeting twice and nine months apart? Well let me first explain. When you say SWAT team our SWAT team is also our fugitive warrant team which is really what those people do about 98% of time on those rare occasions where we actually have to do some sort special missions action then they go out They also quite frankly are if were right across from the Commissioners Court And in this building here, if you go looking for somebody to send to any situation where there's concern about security. The only people that you're usually gonna find a uniform in this building because there is an administrative floor where I'm at next floor up as detectives and then up on the top floor is some of the other clerical staff and that's where our fugitive warrant team is so those are the easiest guys to grab quite frankly who have uniforms on

41:55 And so my understanding is that first incident there were two people uh, that were over there. Three SWAT two Sheriff Okay Well and yesterday there we're or Tuesday they where three SWAT and three sheriff I'm just promising y'all i'm not violent and that kind of set the whole tone here I am in a sports jacket stuff that day getting ready to get up there just speak and of course that kinda set the tone for me blowing up the whole time down there because... Well I think that you know and I apologize to you because I'm not sure We had the conversation here at the office as to why this officer felt a need to go and give basically this warning ahead of time. I think that he thought, I'm going just explain to him what the parameters are here and then we won't have any problem. And I think that from that standpoint

42:47 That makes good sense. But on the other side, if you're not planning on causing trouble and somebody sits down and starts telling you that I can understand why it would be like whoa wait a minute what is this? Well I assure you it made me 100 times more obnoxious because I hadn't said a word to anybody There I guess because I can intimidate. I walked in and saw him walk over like I was gonna be good and sat down He said oh, we're going to show him we've got him where we want it And but that wasn't a big deal I just think some of the public out there That was watching it on TV It probably looked a lot different than them perhaps because the way I look with your spin on they made A lot more interesting story than it probably otherwise what it sure did But I mean one of one of the jobs is sheriff office is security for the county you know and so

43:35 I mean, yes there are times that we send officers over if we have any reason for concern of the safety of the Commissioner's Court. And quite frankly, I'd rather have officers there and there be no need for the officers to be there and everybody walks out shaking hands and that is the end of it than having a situation where – this isn't just related to you or any other groups who have come up about the ASAP program but to not have people there and then have something happen. People go, golly the sheriff's right across the street and she's gonna do her job. I understand what about uh... What's your opinion on posse commentatus? i get letters from them every once in a while um you know there is the whole kind of movement of lots different types and their people that call themselves the posse commentatus aren't necessarily

44:27 They wouldn't even know what some of the true tenets of the group are But you know my feeling is there's a lot of different groups out here As long as groups what they're doing is exercising their first amendment rights and they're right to believe I don't have problem with them where I have a problem with people is when the fact if somebody actually tries to disrupt, you know public communication and service then... Ma'am I know there are a lot of groups out there calling themselves names but do you note what Posse Comitatus is? What do you then think about the Constitution and subsequent laws passed down by the federal government and by the judiciary, rulings on it that federal troops are not to be training with local police? And are not to be in local action such as Waco Texas 90 miles north of here. Well yeah there's I think that we have seen and i think even point to a more recent thing as far as the incident that we had down on the border where the Marine shot

45:25 young boy, he was I guess sheep farming or ranching. And so, I mean, I think that you know. I have concerns in the fact that I believe there is supposed to be a division as far as the fact of when it's appropriate to use any sort of military within the boundaries of our own country and personally share some of those concerns. I think that our, I'll say forefathers because then you have four mothers involved in it at that time. Showed great insight in the way that they drafted our constitution as far as separation of

46:07 of powers and trying to have, and their idea was checks on the federal government because of what their experience had been in England and Europe. So I think that there are some definite limits out there to what the military is allowed to do within the borders of the United States And I don't think that us going out to Camp Maybrook, at Franklin doing night firing at their facility or taking advantage of learning some of the rifle techniques and things from them is a violation. There's no training going on in Fort Hood?

46:46 We've been up to, I don't know that we've been up to four. I assure you that the Austin SWAT team is engaging a lot more and it looks like your guys are already pretty much trained but in some of your big cities please check into if they are training with all the special operations tactical forces especially your New York City, your LA, the really big ones are taking a lot of this federal Clinton money and was going on with Bush too to engage us but I think you kind of answered our question for us Sheriff Frazier, whenever you said that what happened to Ezequiel Hernandez on the border or what's happened to others military tactics are not police tactics. No there is a very big difference Kill things and break things

47:30 kill people and break things is pretty much military tactics, and police tactics are supposed to be try to save people try to separate people but then you have to... Preservation of peace. Yeah You know it's what I always tell my officers is the question is not only whether or not you're legally allowed to use force It's whether or not morally can live with your use of a force And there's big difference There are lot of situations where under the law itself an officer would be justified in pulling and discharging a weapon. But then the question becomes, can you live with that for the rest of your life? And what happens thankfully in most circumstances when the officer makes that decision to try something else is it works out. They hesitate that half second that I have a whole lot more time than that but- Well, I'm absolutely for police defending themselves. I'm for law enforcement having automatic weapons whatever they need.

48:28 In fact, Sheriff what's your opinion on the Second Amendment and the citizens right to keep and bear arms? Do you feel that that is being worn away rapidly. Well I think what we have seen in our country is there are lots of court decisions saying what the Second Amendment meant back then and what it means now and people continue to kind of have a debate I am fully supportive of people if people want to keep and bear arms. I'm concerned quite frankly with the amount of obviously guns that we see out on the streets, they're in hands of people who intend to do harm. The proliferation of firearms into the wrong hands but see if we restrict

49:11 firearms to the law-abiding citizens who will follow the law, then you're just going to have criminals with a firearm. Well I understand that there's always debate of who gets to make that kind of choice as to who it is and we have some restrictions in our country as far as who can walk into McBride's gun store or wherever and buy a gun obviously if i'm Although I am amazed how many people actually tried to walk in and buy guns who got caught by the Brady checker who had felony convictions. It shows that they're really dumb crooks. 70,000? Yeah something like that but you know people unfortunately anybody who wants to get a gun

49:57 can get a gun. So Pandora's box is open, that's my point train the general public that are law abiding to use firearms and train them the law enforcement local law enforcement I think they will then have a double front double tier you know people protect their homes and businesses and the police are there to capture the criminals once a crime has been committed. People often ask me whether or not they should have a gun in their home, and what I tell them is two things... One is if you're going to have a gun in your home first and foremost recognize that if you've got kids that you need to do something to make it safe. Put them in lock boxes for my parents then? Yeah, you know, you need to do something because kids are fascinated with weapons

50:41 And secondly is if you're going to have a gun in your home, you better know how to use it and be prepared. What I tell people is that they need to have a line You need to have a line, you know in your house that you have visualized and thought about. And every time you've ever gone into range and shoot that you're visualizing that person has crossed the line whatever it may be for you whether its door of your bedroom or the bottom stairs of your house if you have two story house at end of...whatever maybe That's you need to have aligned with the idea somebody comes across lines broken in your house and come across line that you want to shoot Unload center mass

51:22 You know and the idea that you need to be able to do that if you're not able to do that your worse off with a gun. I really appreciate this time we just got a few more questions but something i want to say is, I constantly hear from people that are against firearm rights citizens rights That women cannot use guns and I hear this from the segment of public supposedly would call themselves liberal When I was a kid, we would go out to my grandmother's place and my mother was half the time better shot than my dad. Shooting bullseye with a rifle a couple hundred yards, shooting tin cans out in the pond at 50 feet with

52:00 pistol and I know that women are good with firearms but it seems like the media and culture tell women, oh women aren't good with guns. We see women in movies not being able to use them correctly as a ridiculous line i wish that more women would take the classes learn how to use them properly go out practice and then carry firearms if they do it with the concealed carry yeah well you can ask my appreciative warrant guys. I got a little embarrassed because i think the last time i was at the range, i out shot but about two of them or so. So women it doesn't you know firearm quite frankly isn't about muscling no you know? It's about hand-eye coordination and being able to shoot and people can get better at it with practice

52:47 I think that one of my concerns, in fact I was on a radio show last night about it and talking about the concealed handgun permit law. And one of my concern is that if people are legally carrying a weapon out there and they find themselves in a situation that they think about calling 911 instead of just deciding to play the lone ranger and try to take care of situations. And then also recognize the fact that if they have a firearm, and when the officers do arrive whether it's awesome police department or Travis County Sheriff's Office or whoever it may be that they recognize that standing there saying you know I'm a concealed handgun carrier

53:28 you know all the officers gonna see is that they have somebody with a gun and so they need to be at that point follow the directions of the officer I think if... it's a very dangerous situation well i think about was say woman or anybody else coming up from grocery store and someone assaulted me, now had a concealed carry. I'm going ahead blast them once police get there I am going lay the gun on top vehicle my driver license and get down on ground simply because police see somebody with a gun sure and thats my point the fact that if they do have a situation where somebody is, you know, where you are armed and you have a gun and law enforcement comes up there's not big tattoos on people's foreheads. It tells us whether they're allies or their foes. At least not yet maybe the federal government will. Maybe Just a few more questions what if Clinton or the Congress via the Attorney General

54:20 mainly what the of the sheriff what gives the central government declared martial law because of why two k emergency power shutdowns uh... bombings around the country uh... by terrorists from outside or inside the country um... what would you do it would you follow the federal emergency management agency's direction and also the justice department's direction you know i quite frankly haven't thought about that because I would certainly hope in this country that it would be such an extraordinary circumstance. I quite frankly, would have to make a decision my own moral decision at the time is to whether or not it was legitimate declaration under our Constitution and whether wasn't. And then I'd have to make my own moral decision as what I did. What you do if a FEMA officer or officer from the Justice Department walked in here either told you follow their orders

55:14 relieve you from your elected position? And my oath is to uphold the constitutional laws of this state and the United States. And if I felt that anybody, not just under scenario you talk about but if there was a scenario where I felt that someone was calling upon me and telling me that I had to violate

55:52 of the United States, I wouldn't do it. Because I think I have a moral obligation... I feel under the oath that I've taken and also have more obligations as an American not to do that Well, I would certainly hope that you wouldn't be relieved of your elected position because you were elected. We'd have some interesting discussions for sure. Well, I think that's the key to leadership is...I warned Chief Police Ali Philippus in San Antonio that the decision he made in the future might not be the healthiest one for him telling the Delta Force and the federal government that he did not want them in the city and that they were dishonest. I really don't think that most people in America, we've had it good so long realize the tectonic forces are taking place in our world and Sheriff, I can hardly disagree with anything you said and so will have to do a good report on this

56:49 Sheriff, just a few more questions. We've been sent this for about an hour. Sheriff just a few more questions What about the IRS? Because under the Constitution the sheriff runs the county and it says that the IRS could not come and take people's homes if the sheriff stood in the way In fact we've had some sheriffs like Sheriff Mack in Utah And others that have stood up against the IRS seizing people's homes Are you ever contacted by the Internal Revenue Service? No, they haven't contacted me. Who do they use, the constables? I don't know whether they may be using the constables, I don't know if it's going on or not. They haven't contacted me and maybe using federal marshals as far as IRS liens and subtle property. And I don't know that they're contacting us to get involved

57:41 I believe in the past, sheriff's departments were used in tax matters. Who is used with the property taxes? Constables' offices are. Under the law it could be either the constable or the sheriff to be honest with you what has happened over time kind of let the constables take care of the civil aspects and things, and the sheriff's office is taking care of more traditional law enforcement roles. And so most of the tax sales are conducted through individual constable offices here. So that's done through the constable's office? Am I right in saying you're allowed to have a rifle or shotgun in full view in your vehicle? That's Texas!

58:30 I mean, Texas what we really have are laws that do some regulation of handguns as opposed to you know drive down. You don't see it very often here in Austin but my family's from South Texas and you can drive down there and everybody has got at least one rifle in the headache rack I guess they call it in the back of the pickup and that is completely legal If I'm a law enforcement officer and I'm approaching the vehicle, and I see a rifle in the back of the window. I'm going to cause concern and make sure that it stays in the back of the window. The person's not planning on taking it down and using it on me but that's legal in Texas What about handguns? What is the law on that? I've heard rumors or actually information from the Texas Department of Public Safety That if you have it locked up in the trunk

59:25 It's okay? Well, the law talks about the fact that it is unlawful to carry a handgun in the state of Texas. There are some exceptions or defenses to prosecution One of them is if you were taking a handgun from your house say to arrange to participate in sport shooting sort of thing. That that would be legal, what we suggest to people if they're doing that is that they have it unloaded in the trunk of their car so its away from you know immediate contact area They explain to the officer what it is that they're doing. There's also in Texas law, there's a travel exception which unfortunately statute doesn't describe for anybody what that is. Case law has kind of said that what that means is you're traveling out of county overnight

1:00:19 It was the idea of people being able to have, in Texas when we had dark lonely roads that you rode for... Highwaymen. Yeah, those kind of things But see I don't understand that because it's up to the judge or jury or system You're just carrying a firearm and I can't tell how many times going out to my grandparents house and I take five or six guns that i want to shoot because that is the range I'm going to shoot. You know it's out in the country but, I could get pulled over let's say Alex Jones has been a loud mouth here in town you know rattled a lot of cages boom! It's not Margo Fraser it's not the police chief but it's some judge particularly doesn't like me because they watch my tv show and boom I'm in jail like Drew Nixon

1:01:03 Well, hopefully you won't be doing stuff to Nixon. No! That wasn't God drew Nixon in jail. I think the main charges he got stemmed from the firearm not even the prostitution that's what i mean i could seem get trouble with a prostitution but now for firearm? But i guess he was out late at night with prostitutes and guns kind of combination Prostitution is what caused him to come to the attention of law enforcement. After that, then they found a gun in his car and he had already had it previous deferred adjudication up in Dallas so yes the jury did sentence him to six months in jail for the unlawful carrying of a weapon charge and recommended six months probation on the prostitution charge

1:01:45 I'm no fan of Drew Nixon, but he's a senator. I think senators and politicians should be automatically allowed to carry guns. I just don't understand this." Well you know...I think that the jury reaction was that if somebody is a senator and they're making laws they would know what the laws were in that they could have gone down and done things the legal way. Of course his problem was After he had the first incident of where you got arrested with a gun in Dallas, he wasn't eligible to have it concealed handgun. permit anymore. Well Sheriff, thanks a lot last question what about Sheriff Frazier we've heard a lot of talk about the helicopter base they're building the three acre facility and when I first went down to the commissioners I had gotten the actual purchase orders and it said sheriff's department command center two helicopters to be used for rescue surveillance tracking blah blah then i asked Elshower he acted like

1:02:48 You know, I had a pumpkin for a head or something. And then we asked you out of the... when you were paying your taxes and we just happened to bump into you. We're everywhere and you said- The sheriff pays your taxes. That's right So what's going on here? These are gonna be used for law enforcement correct? They are having flare mounted on them The helicopter, there are two new helicopters that are being purchased for Starflight. We recognize a need to have some helicopter time for law enforcement purposes particularly quite frankly the way we've used them most often are for rescue situations search things you know out at Lake Travis we can cover that lake in 30 minutes in a helicopter and it will take us 4 1⁄2 hours or more by boat now for example if we had somebody missing out there

1:03:34 It is proven to be a very good technique if you have a high-speed chase going situation, which is very dangerous to the public and everybody involved. That if you light up the car that's running from air and what the person realizes I may be able outrun that deputy chasing me but I'm not outrunning helicopter. And so we have had several circumstances where we've used in high speed chase situations when the person stops because they realize they're not gonna get away What we have, trying to be fiscally responsible instead of going out and buying like a lot of counties have done quite frankly they've either this will really get people gone but they've gotten surplus military helicopters or they've gone out and bought their own helicopters. I think right now Austin Police Department has a request in to buy a couple helicopters And but what I thought was more fiscally responsive is the county already owns Starflight it's County Own-and-Run

1:04:31 And the idea of taking some of the downtime where pilots are sitting around watching TV, I guess. Instead take some of that time and place our people on a helicopter and use it during...we've used it particularly like 4th July weekend high density sort of weekends. Looking for fires? Fires is you know its helped as far those kinds of situations like if we have a major wreck And you're able to, the deputy can't get there but the helicopter can get there because it can get there by air and be able at least do some initial assessment.

1:05:08 of you know what's going on. You know it has proven to be a good technique. My only point on that is, it was passed as Starflight and everybody went and pulled the lever for the bond package thinking it was purely for star flight right and its partially for law enforcement I don't have a problem with police having helicopters my only problem is that in other cities you've got programs with the helicopters and the feds uh... and it started get really blurred there so I see the packages being put in, the institutions, the hardware being installed and trained on that others can just step in and use. Well what originally they had passed this star flight hangar thing we had a request to the court I don't know if you were following the court that closely but last year during actually even before our budget time shortly after came into office one of things went until the court was

1:06:05 You know what we have all of our law enforcement the bulk of all of our detectives Our trafficking community services. All these people are housed at 1010, Lavaca Right smack in the middle of downtown and this is not very public friendly They added that we should move our people decentralized before the office police department start on it We should decentralize our forces move people out to both east and western part of the counties so that if I'm somebody in, you know outside Manor who gets burglarized that i go see a detective who's out on Johnny Morris Road or ideally quite frankly the tech is out on Johnny Morris Road and drives over to Manor as opposed to the situation where the person has to come all the way downtown. So we were talking about the decentralization so we'd ask for resources to be able to build a substation

1:06:57 They, when they started looking at you know they had some different county needs they were trying to do. One was a star flight hangar one was the sheriff's office substation and the other was actually warehouse for purchasing old voting records or whatever it is that Ms. Debra Boi I know has some different things that need to be stored maybe voting machines and so they started looking and said well we have all these needs why don't we put all of these things together? care who you put me with, what I care about is that I get a substation that is in the location that makes good deployment sense. And so it was their idea to stick them together? Yeah and so there's

1:07:42 You know, I mean that gets the good part about it. Star flight is there is that if we have a need to take it up you know with it we have most likely will have a law enforcement person who could immediately go out there and get on the helicopter with them If we had say at you know search-and-rescue sort of situation instead of having to wait for a deputy come into Bracken Ridge Hospital or whatever But it was really had more to do with other issues So no federal centurions in Austin and y'all are not linking hands like a lot of other cities are with the feds. No Well thank you sheriff that was great interview she went here he's doing this to me I'd already been out here we're playing good cop bad cop on her, no I'm just joking Yeah see it was cool No we're not it's Mike He thinks of all the...I'm brain dead my girlfriend gave me a call tonight um excuse pardon me Sheriff now what happened up at Waco five years ago

1:08:41 the sheriff and i've seen him on tape saying that what the media was saying most of it wasn't true about that group of people up there and that david koresh uh... was in town all the time and then you know impersonally and he can he knew all the people he just said at the feds just came right in with tanks they should got trouble for that too law enforcement trained out at fort hood began to engage in that. What would you do if you had a similar situation here in Austin, Texas and the feds began to ignore your input? Well I think that the reality is local law enforcement always has to remain in control. I mean I hope we all have learned some lessons from Waco as far as the fact that if you have someone...the stories

1:09:31 the different arms and weapons that were supposed to be in the compound. If who I'm looking for is David Koresh, you know, I'm gonna wait till he's in shopping and nabbing them instead of killing 17 little children. Yeah it doesn't...you know we find ourselves in those situations at different times where we've had incidents that have occurred without revealing some particular instances that are kind of sensitive ones, but we've had situations where one in particular I personally said no we're gonna wake these people out.

1:10:08 person that is dangerous and they're in a house with a bunch of kids, and we can't be sure that we can do it in the manner that's safe for the child. As long as that person's not creating some sort of danger by the fact that they're just there... We'll wait till they come out! Well, it's good you bring that point-of-view into things because a lot of military people who get into law enforcement let's face it, they were in wars and things and want to engage the enemy Yeah well I think I hope that in law enforcement, we as a whole are getting smarter and understand that if we go about it with the idea that somebody...that we always have to win and there's no compromise then that is a real dangerous attitude. I prefer quite frankly to have situations turn out where we always think about

1:10:55 I probably drive people crazy sometimes because I say, well let's slow down. Let's think here what are the other options that we can do? And I think there is a general rule that the folks that have working for me and the folks that I choose to deputize tell my people a deputy sheriff is different than a police officer because I personally have an oath that I've taken. I'm elected by the people, I have a commitment to the people and when I deputize somebody I am saying to the public I trust this person to carry out the duties that you have given me

1:11:31 And so, I think that the people that I have working for me are good folks who respect people's rights. Well how is it that the feds then could do that? They've got more money supposedly more you know people with all these brains up there but over and over again you see local sheriffs trying to stay on the way of what the feds are doing and making better decisions than what the feds engage in slaughtering people Have you seen Waco Rules Of Engagement? Have you seen the flare tape? It premiered here in Austin was up for Academy Award Have you seen it on the big screen? The flare on the third, fourth generation isn't too good on the video but I think you saw the flare experts and other people talking about it. That's pretty shocking, isn't it? Yeah, I mean that...I think that quite frankly there were...Waco was a mess from beginning. You know and one of the good things is that I think people have

1:12:24 And that we have learned, I think that we have learned a lot from those sort of mistakes. And the other part of it is, I think that we had seen now where people... When I tell my officers you're gonna be held accountable for your actions both administratively by me and also you're gonna be held accountable by the public out there. And I think that we've learned a lot from sitting around and dissecting what happened in Waco. And I think that it is a situation of where, you know indication of why it is very dangerous for anybody to kind of take the attitude of You know, I know totally what need to do and I'm in control here and I'm gonna do it no matter what and not asking questions. Playing noises of squealing dying rabbits for endlessly What'd you think about the Cedar Street deal? Think that was a good decision at Watsonvayne

1:13:23 I think that we needed to get past, in this community we needed to get past the Cedar Street incident. You know? I think it was like this big gaping wound. Yeah and I... Do something to get passed it and I think that you know I know Chief Nee is really working hard on trying improve relationships between the Austin Police Department and the community as a whole, but particularly trying to kind of heal some of those wounds. And that's one of those things also where it starts out with a situation where there obviously was an officer who got very

1:14:12 seriously hurt and then you have some serious also some very serious accusations of I've considered to be if true to be inappropriate an overreaction yeah, I mean what can happen sometimes is is that again it's one those things of It if you send in the troops I hate to use a military analogy, but if you send in sufficient officers and what happens is people go well never mind then you often get criticized for why do they send so many people.

1:14:50 if you don't send in enough officers and it does happen to turn out, and I'm not saying either way it would have been in the Cedar Street just talking generalities. If you don't send in enough officers and the situation gets out of hand then you're going to get criticized for why didn't you send more people? LA riots are quite frankly a good example where they didn't send in the officers early enough. I think they said that Chief actually let that happen though but... But I mean in that sort of situation when you know you know, something as volatile as the Rodney King verdicts coming down. To not have a sufficient show of presence, not force but presence so that people go oh okay well we were thinking about smashing in that because once it gets going it has a life of its own I mean I was in Denver when they had won the Super Bowl and

1:15:43 They kept showing these films of the officers all hanging out together and saying, we're waiting to see if anything happens. And I actually said to somebody if they don't deploy those officers and get them out there something is going to happen sure enough they had people flipping cards and you know they were done celebrating a Super Bowl but the police wanted to watch the game too yeah but they weren't doing what they needed to be doing so as far as having their presence Sheriff thanks a million you really are nice Hey everybody, this is Kevin Smith and I love Mike Hanson Archives. Check it out! And Hanson Archives? Yeah, I got three YouTube channels. Give them all to me, I'll do it on the fire. God bless you. Thanks Mike. You gonna put this on TV? No what are you going to do put her in the roll-in? Say this is Lieutenant Beck and I've got a Clinton joke

1:16:33 It's Lieutenant Beck. I got a... Lieutenant Beck, Commander Travis County Spots. Alright! I have a sense of humor. Anyways Monica went to her... Start over with this is Lieutenant Beck, Travis County Sheriff's Department. This is Lieutenant Beck, Travis County Sheriff's Department We do have a sense of humor. Monica went to her plastic surgeon She asked the plastic surgeon remove my love handles The doctor looked and said, why? You wouldn't be able to hear. That's good. Got any more important numbers here we should look at? Hello folks Mike Hanson here. Oh God save me! I just want to let you know what i'm going through uh... I'm going through Wyla's archives she spent a lifetime or at least the last 30 years

1:17:31 taping Ruby Ridge and Waco and other things. In fact, I got the whole hearings here on Ruby Ridge and also have Chris Ritter's state archives with all her life works from the TV shows and also Alex Jones, Jeff Davis and everybody else. This is just part of this is wireless here just part of it all these are full of videotapes

1:18:10 I'm trying to go through it and get the most important stuff for the Branch Davidians like stuff that David Thibodeau spoke at, Katherine Madison, Sheila and all that. Trying to get it up but its very hard you got to put these video tapes You gotta put them, you gotta transfer this over to the computer and then it's got to be edited. And the tapes have got to be cleaned up and all this kind of stuff. One of these tapes right here probably takes about two days. Of course, the technology is way over my head at this point so I had to hire people to do it. It cost a lot of money

1:18:57 So I don't know if I'm even gonna live long enough to get this out to the public, but that's what my goal is. Here's Wyla right here. That's Wyla right there with Catherine Madison. Can you see that? That's my good friend Wyla. These are all her tapes full of tapes thousands of them and there's Miss Catherine. And I miss her dearly There's Sheila, Clive David Thibodeau It's just overwhelming I heard David say that was a different lady with the...I always thought that was uh... Uh... Ophelia's trailer they got ran over by the tank But Ophelia was posing by it so i just assumed it was hers maybe she was living in it too Okay

1:20:09 Really trying out here if anybody has any any knowledge of Transferring VHS tapes over and getting them on the internet I could use the help really be truthful But I don't want to just start giving these tapes away because I've been entrusted to get this stuff out to the public Which i'm gonna do I hope to live another 20 or 30 years. That's what it's gonna take maybe, to get all this stuff out. Oh it's a lot! This is just some of it folks...I got a whole nother storage big storage room with with stuff in it and It's really going to take a lot of work to get this stuff out so But what I got up so far

1:21:06 is if you go to Mike Hanson archives, Hanson Archives. The new one I'm trying to get all the Waco stuff out on is Waco Archives. I even got another lady I used to work for Joyce Isaac's Archives and we've got the trailer park show archives. I got all her archives too, Chris Ritter passed away a couple years ago and i want for her legacy to get all that out on the internet too

1:21:42 It's gonna take a month of Sundays to get all this stuff out of here. But that's why I'm using my book sales to fund it, it cost me about $600 a week plus thousands of dollars worth the equipment to get just a couple three or four tapes out a week and that's pushing it. get it out on the Internet. So any help would be appreciated, even if you have the technology, you can use my office and you could even stay in the motel for free down here if you could give some time to try to get this out on the Internet would be great

1:22:28 But I'm trying out here folks, and I promise these poor souls that have passed away that their time is not going to be wasted because Wyla really has spent her whole life getting this Waco collection together And so did Chris Ritter and of course I wanna get all of the Jeff Davis shows and Alex Jones early shows out on the internet for history also. We also have Bob Dacey, Steve Lane, George Humphrey, Joyce Isaacs we got a bunch of archives here that needs to get out

1:23:11 Sometimes it's overwhelming. I just have to do one thing at a time Alrighty our phone number here is 8 3 0 6 7 2 30 89 and Our office is this here is an undisclosed Location here because I tried I had some really bad people try to burn me out when they found out I was discussing Waco. People still don't know the truth about it when they find out the truth, they'll understand why it's good to get the truth out to the American public that they were lied too Our other office is at 103 St George right at the highway Okay folks Thanks a lot and God bless if you could do any help would be great

1:24:04 Even if you want to just send a little donation to help in the labor it costs to get this stuff out. I'm at PO Box 481 in Gonzales, Texas Thanks a lot and God bless Hello judge boy, I love smart growth here talking these people that are dying by the dozens Yes, my name is Alex Jones and you hear about these Brushy Creek people who are getting their water supply from Travis County. They're really enjoying smart growth I thought the people cared about the water or is it just getting property with tax money in for political cash cow? A lot of issues I try to talk about to the public out there trying to get people politically motivated trying to get people just start thinking I realize that the ripple effect and political change is very slow one

1:25:02 And that energy that we expend today will be felt tomorrow. And, you know, we hear people here making excuses about Y2K which is probably half a big money maker for computer companies and half real I think it'll be a large snowstorm not the end of the world like some people think but certainly it probably will have some serious problems It'll be capitalized upon by the government just since this guy over here loves police states so much But then there's so many good reasons for The main thing I'm here to talk about is to document things that we've talked about because we documented them on radio and cable television. We brought out the information, some people on this court like to make jokes to the public and call us conspiracy theorists

1:25:51 Again conspiracy theorists about the Delta Force and we play the police chief and Stephen Barry former Delta Forces commander Talking about it just on and on and on about the secret UN teams training with delta Marines The paper comes out I read last week here talks about the National Guard teams and other teams in the billions of dollars And the rescue workers don't know why any of the money's going to rescue. It's just going to armored personnel carriers in love but Mike Hanson my TV producer. We've seen people come here and

1:26:27 play music or harmonicas, or show you pictures of things. Or play audio tapes and then I don't even know why Mike even asked Judge Elshire that just shows how nice we are and what were used to if he could place some short clips of just audio from the video Chief Police Ali Phillip is talking about. Well fantastic Mike is that what she was asked? You were at, you asked to play video? Well it's probably a lack of communication. Mike and me both get a little bit excited well I just want to finish by little bit of something that affects us all i have the home page for CIA for kids there's little puppy dog here too I have FEMA kids helping during disaster are they going to help with the concentration camps 93% of its funding according to Ted Gunderson former FBI General Parton head of Air Force weapons development

1:27:25 And we should never, never forget Frederick Whitehurst former head of the FBI crime lab says they're manufacturing evidence since FEMA's building camps. But it's FEMA for kids on their website. Isn't that sweet? Anyways that what I'm here to talk to the public about Austin Travis County You are being lied to, you're being manipulated. These commissioners aren't half as bad as our city council which I've gotta get off my butt and get focused- I've gotta get off my butt and get focused and jump through 14 different hoops and get down there and oppose Kirk Watson who makes y'all look like some saints but seriously this is all it comes down too we've gotta get politically motivated

1:28:12 because if we're not putting any pressure on our politicians all they're hearing is what the special interest groups and what the people that are contributing to campaigns and pushing are saying. And meanwhile, like I said you've got people in Brushy Creek other areas who were dying living in third world conditions and more and more of America's like this South Texas is like this scenarios America's being de-industrialized for a small group of people things are getting a lot better but for a large number of people This country is going down. Look who we got here, somebody that we haven't seen in about 20 years is the late and great George Humphrey! Oh my goodness I see who it is yes tell us what you've been up to oh my goodness isn't this a great day? Yes amazing tell us why are you here hurry because of my Facebook my heart is heavy

1:29:08 the world but my heart is also happy for the good people here. We need to get back to work and we need to realize that this cure, it's not a cure it's not about a virus It's about political control and we are free in sovereign and we have the choice just to be either slaves or to be free I choose to be free yes Well guess what? I did! I bought about $20,000 worth of editing equipment, hired some people to put all the tapes on for the last 25 years and you're on there. So I want you...and I got...I'm gonna plug my YouTube channel. Okay great! Mike Hanson Archives, Hansen Archives and Waco Archives. I didn't recognize you at the start! Okay so i need you to say

1:29:52 This is George Humphrey and I love Mike Hanson Archives. This is George Humphrey and this guy is awesome, Mike Hanson the Mike Hansen archives check it out! You're on there we just put about three tapes of you on there and you had slick black hair then no now it's all dyed alright god bless y'all we'll see you in a minute Look at Doggie here. Dogs against war! My goodness gracious. You get it? Where you see that dog? Yeah, dogs against war. Mike Hanson. Y'all have a bow? No. I read the word over there and got an ear. God bless y'all. Thanks

1:30:50 I think that's a good idea for her to vote for you. We need to save the nation and you! Right there, show her the card. She's voting for me. If you are second, you don't lose nothing, you're going to be turning four rows in one day, I died for my country. That's right She's good. I'm going to tell you, because I need my own two patsies okay? Alright. I want to show you that I died for the country before you were born! Now they come and the foreigners are stealing our country... No! Not until I die! You hear what she is saying folks?! What is she saying exactly?

1:31:30 Give it to me back. Let me get a picture of that heart! Is this your husband? You did this? She got a medal of honor. 1944, two years. That's a purple heart. Purple Heart. She has a purple heart. Look at that folks. What branch did you serve? They are me. You see how smart they are? I went to the Air Force and fight them, they're so smart! They are smarter than the Brides but we know hard. Look at my heart! Gold! Come on! They are so smart, we know hard. Another voter here folks. Put that right there underneath you.

1:32:24 Good for you. Yeah, good for you. Show the people this car right there. You got that? That's how you got your Purple Heart? Yes They demand everything, they don't want nothing. I will be thinking of you Michael. You need to win! I'm gonna win? We got a baloney people around me. Are you going to win? Yeah, no, stop with that name when i saw you on TV yesterday Oh really where? I didn't know. Oh yeah in California, California, I mean the local.

1:33:01 You know what I was doing now? Going after to die, that guy. I was going after to die! There's plenty of people up there. It's easy to dance you know in the body, in the body. Well here tell the people get out and vote for Mike Hanson come here don't tell it people right there to get out and vote for Mike Hanson Sure. People, Americans we are the United States of America for the glory of God and this man with a glorious name of Michael the Archangel the mighty in heaven will win for you and this nation will be back to what belongs to God and us We are the God people But you didn't tell them to vote for my camp? I'm sorry when i love you like that

1:33:44 people of the city of Austin, the Augusta City of Austin. Vote for Michael and I vote for you forever! Austin from the heavens I will pray for you. I cannot do no more. From heaven the Lord will bless you. You heard it right here folks This is the Augusta City of Texas The head of the nation and the head of the world Until you don't study and think I love you more than myself! God bless you. God bless America and you, America! We are America! For serving this country so good. And you went to serve me something too. Oh she's so good I oughta be kissing your hand. Look at her. Where? This woman She is my campaign manager You know what happened in Russia? I have a woman campaign manager What can I say? Cut that part. No. Think I wait for the devils? I cannot wait for the devils Take it there moment

1:34:44 But get a long shot with the Hanson here. God bless America and Michael. God bless America! God bless America and Michael! One vote at a time! Hello, it's Mike Hanson your good Facebook buddy and YouTube buddy Here is Jeff Davis my great friend We're not social distancing See we are in 2020 now Tell me about 1995 1995. That's what we're watching right now, Jeff! You caught me off guard with that one I don't know anything about what is going on in 19... Oh! About how the technology is gonna bring world peace? Give him the shade here. Come on back Yeah we were this fella and myself were

1:35:35 Channel Austin TV studios in Austin, Texas public access about 1995-1996. And I said to Mike Hanson we were in the control room and I said to him I said Mike You know, I don't know anything about this internet too much of what people are talking about. But if it turns out to be anything like people are talking about It could bring world peace and liberty And guess what folks? On this date 6 June 2020 We're heading into World Peace & Liberty! We hope so No that's 100% guaranteed

1:36:15 Jeff Davis show official prediction. And as you know, Mike, Jeff Davis show has been deadly accurate on predictions great callings or welly and police states fed bank fleecing at this prediction. Jeff Davis show prediction is going to bring the greatest world peace and prosperity in the history of the world. That's it? Well don't tell those protesters because I actually told him live and let live yesterday, it almost got beat up. Those protesters those people out there at them rallies just keep on going baby because we're marching our way right into a better place in this world We hope so Jeff Davis show knows so So just keep marching away Just keep going and going with love and peace Before you know it, were gonna have heaven on earth

1:37:13 We're gonna get right back to... That's it baby. Peace! We're going to take you back to 1996 folks, we'll see ya later. Peace baby. God bless you. Morons! You're morons if you don't watch the Joyce Isaacs show at large. My name's Sammy Allred and this was a wonderful show Tune in every Thursday at 5 to 5 30 for Joyce Isaacs at Large Oh, you're morons Good night nurse And just one more time I want to thank my favorite channels channel 10 11 and 16 you know it

1:37:53 A.C.T.V., my favorite! Some of our children simply don't have what they need to grow and learn in their own homes or schools or neighborhoods, and that means the rest of us must do more because they are our children too. Citizen service is an American responsibility which all Americans should embrace, and I ask your support for that endeavor. I'd like to make just one last point about this. We must pursue a deeper dialogue with China. With China. China And I have invited China's president to come here, not because we agree on everything but because engaging China is the best way to work on our common challenges and to deal frankly with our fundamental differences like human rights

1:37:13 We're gonna get right back to... That's it baby. Peace! We're going to take you back to 1996 folks, we'll see ya later. Peace baby. God bless you. Morons! You're morons if you don't watch the Joyce Isaacs show at large. My name's Sammy Allred and this was a wonderful show Tune in every Thursday at 5 to 5 30 for Joyce Isaacs at Large Oh, you're morons Good night nurse And just one more time I want to thank my favorite channels channel 10 11 and 16 you know it

1:37:53 A.C.T.V., my favorite! Some of our children simply don't have what they need to grow and learn in their own homes or schools or neighborhoods, and that means the rest of us must do more because they are our children too. Citizen service is an American responsibility which all Americans should embrace, and I ask your support for that endeavor. I'd like to make just one last point about this. We must pursue a deeper dialogue with China. With China. China And I have invited China's president to come here, not because we agree on everything but because engaging China is the best way to work on our common challenges and to deal frankly with our fundamental differences like human rights

1:39:03 We must also renew our commitment to America's diplomacy and pay our debts and dues to international financial institutions like the World Bank, and to a reforming United Nations. It is an idea of the most powerful idea in history of nations. And all of us in this chamber we are now the bearers for that idea

1:39:47 leading a great people into the new world. An article about our public access TV stations and it's specifically about these two gentlemen who I prefer to get all my news through. And it says they're conspiracy theorists, and if you're an investigative journalist

1:40:47 I would like to know why you don't ever investigate these things that I... You know, these are my favorite news stories. They say control of national parks turned over to the UN in parentheses and the government blew up its own federal building in Oklahoma City and there's a lot of... I watch a tape of CNN footage on that's played on our public access all the time of them pulling away from the building because they found two other bombs and this story disappeared twelve hours after the bombing I would just like to know why you don't cover that sort of thing. Can i ask a question before you go caller? Yes This program that you watch, You say you watch the program on Public Access? yes What program is this what it called It's called uh... Alex Jones' called Exposing Corruption Alex Jones

1:41:38 Alex Jones, is this his news operation or is this his network? No it's a public access show. He's just a guy who's only 23 years old he studied a lot of history and and uh...he's the radical libertarian I guess you'd say And this is someone from Austin Texas Yes yes Mr. Clydeman um...the caller asked if when you were going to investigate this new evidence regarding Waco. No credibility. I think we have a very healthy and vigorous press, investigative press. The caller may disagree. I think if there was credible evidence to suggest that the federal government had a role in blowing up the Hitler

1:42:25 Hitler in the Reichstag. I think that evidence would come out if for no other reason then gee, that'd be a hell of a story if it were true. We're not controlled. I think anyone would like to get that story. I think there's no credible evidence to support... You're looking at Austin Texas and an armored personnel carrier for the Austin Police Department and they have many more under SWAT, Special Weapons and Tactics. Just this week as we're producing this little piece for the Freedom Report the Austin SWAT team heard popping from electronic transformers and stormed several houses and threw women and children down on the ground if you look carefully at that armored personnel carrier in a second you will see that it has a mounted point for a M60 7.62 millimeter military machine gun

1:43:17 This is going on all across the nation. Now we're going to a thumb scanning protest held here in Austin, Texas in 1998 Americans opposing biometric technologies which seek to track us like rats But first of all let's take just one more look at that armored personnel carrier I'm told that's not the only one they have Think about it! A mounted area for a military fully automatic heavy machine gun and were fixed to go to the thumb scanning protest What's the difference between all of us? I'm sorry sir, you're just flat wrong. This has nothing to do with public safety and everything to do with the international tracking grid that is being set up All we have to do is watch Lockheed Martin Marietta commercials from the defense industry to Visa commercials all down the line they are pushing thumb scanning to buy and sell probably within five or ten years everybody will have to do this to buy and sell

1:44:13 this is all the IRS to gather intelligence on us. DPS even admits it goes to the federal government, it's all hooked into a national database and you see those free markets supposedly engaged in this It's all part of a grid of control and some of you will say well what do we have to hide? Its called invasion privacy ladies and gentlemen It's called innocent until proven guilty. It's called a government that has a terrible track record of abusing its citizens and the IRS stealing from innocent people that have broken no laws being abused I'm just so tired of this everything under the color of law This is totally unconstitutional now Let's get to the actual video of the actual protest, and we should not be treated like criminals What is it makes you so passionate about this

1:45:02 Now keep in mind, when I came out here I was under the impression that what you were protesting was just the simple fact of fingerprinting. And i didn't know it went beyond that and you were afraid something like this might happen such as blood testing or urine testings things of that nature so For those of us that are not in the know, and for those of us who really are not in this as you were there. Could could you kind of explain what's going on here? Sir I have given you the executive order put into federal register by Bill Clinton in 1997 he has announced it He says that urine and blood testing they plan to do nationwide is only for people 18 under It is for 25% of large state populations randomly

1:45:40 selected and their thumb scanning us like criminals. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? I heard that several forms of identification, I have eight forms of identification from my passport to my old driver's license to my W two form my tax form to my social security number to my car insurance and also have another picture ID. And that had better be enough for them, ladies and gentlemen! This is really getting out of control whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? Why are Americans laying around like sheep allowing themselves to be treated like criminals when law-abiding citizens?! At what point do you expect or do you expect at all for the... What you were talking about the blood testing drug screening

1:46:23 Is that really coming? Sir, I have given you the federal documents that are mandating the states to do that. Clinton in 92 mandated the thumb scanning and has been adopted by many of the states Texas since 93 he mandated it in late 1997 for 98 to be implemented now That's up to the states and that's why we're drawing attention to this thumb scanning and no further I'm against thumb scanning but now they want this urine blood testing This is the slippery slope into those out there that say what do I have to hide I am innocent until proven guilty. I have no criminal record, Alex Jones has no criminal record and we should not be treated like criminals! I don't want to ask what you have to hide but what is it that makes you so passionate about this? Our government cannot be trusted even this month's... Liberty Yes liberty Even this month's Popular Mechanics talks about the government testing chemicals and biological on our people in the 1950s and 60s The IRS You've heard of hearings There are CIA drug trafficking hearings going on right now

1:47:22 in the Congress. This is on television! This government is controlled by a bunch of thugs, in my opinion and I think a lot of bureaucrats are dupes to it...I just don't trust our government and our founding fathers warned us not to hate our government but to fear our government. I should not have the thumb scan and be in a computer they also digitally capture your signature and your photograph They could create any false identity that wanted too with you name and you social security number And many government bureaucrat from IRS to EPA have been caught selling information. There are thousands of cases and convictions of this if people would just investigate it This is an invasion of privacy, that's the most important thing It's an invasion of privacy there is no innocent until proven guilty in this country anymore And Americans across the country have got to start standing up against Big Brother All right then what exactly should happen then when one goes to get a driver's license ideally? What would you say they should

1:48:13 show several forms of identification and sure there could be some fraud involved but how about we punish people once they commit a crime rather than treating the whole society like criminals and thumb scanning us. You understand that's what the whole innocent until proven guilty is about, they're treating the whole society now like criminals across-the-board government intrusion is growing it is not subsiding So we've got to stand up against this because what's next for urine in blood testing? I mean, I don't want to sound like a cook but what? Microchips or something?! This is really getting dangerous and it scares me. So how are you able to get this crowd out here? Well, I have an FM radio show... ...and also have access television show And the crowd is going to get bigger and bigger as you can see more people are coming It was scheduled for about 2-3 o'clock

1:48:58 And I plan to go in here in about 10 or 15 minutes. And again, I'm going to be peaceable and show them eight forms of identification. This crowd is not laying down we're doing what it takes nonviolent protest against Big Brother that is intruding on your lives. All right, we'll watch you then thank you very much sir. And if they come up and touch me in any way, I'm going to lay down peaceably and let the police state minions drag me away. OK? Let's get ready to go in here about five minutes. God bless you all for being here!

1:49:47 People stand up, the New World Order which is transnational socialism for the rich can only fail. We're going to defeat these people we're gonna turn their lives upside down on this federal intrusion is out of control and it's controlled by the transnational establishment so its time for everybody across America start standing up because we got people power! Peaceful patriots or that huge military industrial complex Eisenhower warned us about I think i'm afraid of the military industrial complex that owns our media. I think i'm afraid of the foreign banks, that's who i'm afraid of not you people Hey buddy Hey Jim how are ya doing Allinger?

1:50:38 Okay, everybody line up that's going to try to renew without... Hey come on good job. Are you in line now? Absolutely, it is time we put a stop to that. Ladies and gentlemen, we are lining up. We've got all our goodies in order and I'm getting ready to go up there to the Big Brother facility And just ask some questions of people that are looking at me like I'm a seven-headed serpent So this is what's going on ladies and gentlemen Most people are furniture and never think for themselves But you've got over 75 to 80 people looks like 100 now

1:51:40 Alright, they're ready for me. Let's go! Come over here and get the pretty little red light. Isn't that pretty? And they'll put a nice little clinic in here in the next few years for urine and blood testing like Clinton wants What do I have to hide?! I'm a criminal! There we have it Nice little pretty red light Get that Mike There we have it Right there Woah, that's pretty She's on the telephone right now

1:52:18 So I'll get to that. Oh, look also here's something else we object your photograph they capture your signature They capture your thumbprint and now Clinton wants urine and blood And I've given that to the media the actual federal register That he wants the states to implement and I guess it tells them how to put clinics in and it tells them how to urine and blood test law-abiding citizens not under 18 like the media says How you doing? I am here with eight forms of identification I have my passport, here is that and my name and the form you asked me to fill out. I have no criminal record, my name is Alexander Emmerich Jones Here's my passport, here is my insurance, here is another form of ID Here is my old driver license, here is my birth certificate And here is my W-2 form

1:53:04 And here is two more insurance cards, old ones just so you can double check. I just need a new driver's license and I'm not taking some kind of religious exception here. I am against thumb scanning because I believe it is treating law abiding citizens like they're guilty. I'm innocent. I have never been to jail. I have never committed a crime except for speeding and that is a dangerous crime. And so what I'm here to say to you is, if you have seven or eight forms of identification there And I wish to be given my driver's license. I wish to be treated like an American citizen that pays taxes. Let me do this for you, sir. Yes sir? Let me process what each individual comes in here. Okay, you want a processing line?

1:53:43 Sure. Okay, yes I do. Yeah? I lost my old driver's license about two months ago and i actually got a ticket for that and so I brought my old driver's license, health club card... So I don't have to thumb scan? But not now. Not at this point, but you will before we're done with the process Why? Because it's required It is required by Bill Clinton in 1992 and it was instituted here in Texas in 1993 I know the code sir Are you going to institute his urine and blood testing when he commands you are you gonna stick a needle in my arm when I have no criminal record The only questions that I'm gonna answer right now are concerning driver license issuing

1:54:31 You just follow orders, don't you? I try to use discretion but I've got a lawn to run. That's fine. Fine, I'll just say one more thing and then I'l get on to this Yes sir It...you can't hide behind the law it was the LAW that they could lynch black men! It was the LAW that black people couldn't go into lunch counters! It was THE LAW It was the law that Jews had their guns registered. The law is not something you can hide behind, especially when Bill Clinton a traitor that protested against our nation in Russia in the late 60s is running our nation for foreign banks You understand? Then the state needs to stand up against this That's what we're getting his attention today so he can repeal this in Texas legislature So your saying your going to deny me constitutional right to travel if I do no submit to this digital thumb scanning

1:55:18 What I will tell you, today you will not receive a duplicate driver's license if you do not submit to a company. Okay let me say something...I've just given you eight forms birth certificates birth certificates? I know who you are. Yes, I am on TV and radio but what i'm saying to you is that I have my old driver's license, liability insurance, another picture ID, W-2 form, social security card, insurance... What more?! Now you want blood and urine! That's what Clinton wants I'm trying to speak to you in a low-tided and I've got employees that... I understand. Look, I feel like i'm being raped here Well, I would sit down with you for hours and try do what I could to help

1:56:02 Then just give me my license without digitally thumb scanning. I am not going to violate ETS policy... Is there a religious exception? For your exception, is there a religious exception? No sir, no Everyone must take the mark A digitally enhanced mark I'm not talking about marking it with a digital tattoo So for the right to cash a check or drive a car, or pay my bills I've gotta take Bill Clinton's mark. I've gotta have a digital number assigned to the rhythms of my individual thumbprint Every thumbprint is different. I want you to take my eight forms of identification I know your ID, you are good to go. Yeah well if i'm good to go why do you need my thumb print? It's part of Bill Clinton's law isn't it? Its an executive order its a decree by Bill Clinton NCIC yeah and about driving without a license what the penalties for driving without a license? You know I don't even want to go there That's right! I am asking you

1:57:03 You're an officer, I'm asking you the law. So you're saying that I'll be committing a crime by driving if I don't take your mark? Well see, you're saying... Officer Ard, you're sitting here sergeant and telling me that you are all friendly and nice but if I don't pay those tickets then I will go to jail because Because of my morals and my beliefs, I will not take this. And i'm here to tell you that I already took this in 93' and many people will say well you've already taken it what's your problem with it? Cause now I figured out what this is and I am opposing all those others that are being herded like cattle to be thumb scanned like criminals.

1:57:44 We don't even need to start there. If I know that you're not going to submit to a thumbprint, why waste your time? See right up front they will drop and people are being turned away all day here so you're saying i pay my taxes I'm raped by the IRS which is criminal You know it's well known Submit he just said I must submit I'm telling ya I've never been in jail I want you to give me my driver's license. I want my driver's license, I am not a criminal! I may become one today but that is fine. You are saying... You are saying that you won't take me to jail at 5 if i'm still here? No we're no going to take him to jail. Oh yeah!

1:58:20 Look at the friendly behavior. Look how nice they are when they follow Clinton's orders See, they're thumb scanning you for the IRS ladies and gentlemen Remember they didn't execute Jews They took them in for a shower That's right! That's right! They took him for a shower It's exactly what they did This is all about the IRS knowing where every penny you spend The private banks are putting in these systems this is Big Brother ladies and gentlemen And he will compel all to take the market This is wrong Alright now as you notice those guys are much higher ranking than Sergeant Ard who was in control of the installation. They were there to control the situation, captains and higher up and that fellow in plainclothes is the top guy there And he's saying well I don't agree with Ard let's go ahead and arrest him and they go ahead give the order and also tell our crew over there to stop talking

1:59:10 and to stop listening to them even though we were in a public hallway, uh... what was going on. So Sergeant Ard said he wasn't gonna arrest me but these guys changed the order that's why I did get arrested you probably heard earlier Ard saying well i'm not gonna arrest ya' and I said okay well about minute later they went ahead change that because they didn't like me no submitting too big brother you know the handmaiden of the IRS Some of the American troops that died fighting Hitler. I think you wanted the camera not at us, so you might be filming something. Oh alright. I thought I'd pick out a picture. This is a private conversation from me. Oh yes sir. Appreciate it. Is it not violent to give me a driver's license where I'll be given tickets and taken to jail then? I'll be out on the highway by myself then when I don't have a driver's license in some foreign county when I'm drugged to jail and have to pay to get out because I wouldn't thumb scan! It's a veneer! There is violence behind this there is coercion behind this there is fascism

2:00:10 That's right. Then once they get you in the system, they get your fingerprints either way and you've never committed a crime! And now they want urine and blood? Do not understand my argument? You understand I'll be given a ticket. Do you understand that I'll be taken to jail without a driver's license? That I can't cash checks, that I can't travel, that I can't live And you tell me that I shouldn't be mad about this because I won't let Bill Clinton have my digital number off my finger? They plan to use this to buy and sell. The banks are running commercials, Visa, Lockheed Martin Marietta the defense industry Jesus! This is against the grain of the Constitution Look if i don't take the mark My right to travel is taken You're taking my rights and telling me it's no big deal? Now you want a urine & blood test Bring me the document

2:01:03 Who has the urine and blood testing document? I need it. I'm going to pass these out to people. Ladies and gentlemen, the Federal Register Bill Clinton Urine & Blood Testing Plan for you! Tell your friends about it We have got to stand against this The states are preparing to implement this plan This is not a joke This is not the entire document It gets worse Ladies and gentlemen Ladies and gentleman It's a joke to them Only Coach Pender's matters. Only diversions like Rome, the Gladiators If I don't take this... if I don't take this will I not?

2:01:39 be penalized for not having a driver's license by not being able to cash your check, by being given tickets that if I don't pay those tickets i'll be taken to jail. I can't travel out of state! I can get on board an airplane and the media is talking about thumb scanning to travel you're working with the foreign banks in military industrial complex this is all their idea read the Military War College from 1968 they planned this Just because you lay around doesn't mean it's not true. This is not a publicity stunt, I was a lot happier years ago before i got into all this garbage! I'm sick of sheep laying down, I wish you'd get up and do something! Makes me want to vomit!! Our forefathers went to World War II and World War I, fought in the Civil war to end slavery. And it means nothing to y'all! We're a bunch of yellow-bellied weaklings! I'm sick of it! I'm sick of people laying down like a bunch of jellyfish and rationalizing what's going on People oughta be ashamed of themselves Yes... exactly.

2:02:41 What I'm trying to say to you, I have brought the documents. Eight forms of identification they refuse to give me a driver's license. Give me your driver's license I am not going to give you a driver's license today. I will do what i can to help you. If you don't leave now, I will be forced to arrest you. Sir, I'm here to get a driver's license! I have never had a criminal record and it was time to go... Here I go! Get my stuff for me! Believe me. Stand bright, starry sky. For the land of the free and the home of the brave.

2:03:53 That a flag was still there, O say does that star-spangled banner yet wave. If you're not conducting business or something, you need to go outside. Yes sir! I guess that makes him a mercenary huh? Paying mercenaries huh? Yeah he's got his black gloves on...I guess that makes him tough. I guess that makes him look like a real well paid mercenary there. Where is Alex?! He has to do a show tonight!

2:04:48 Now everybody goes outside and they do the old bait-and-switch, had a bus and bunch more on one side of the building. And then they actually came out to the other side but we had the whole building surrounded so we actually got me being taken out on footage this is about the end of it. Then I'll go down into jail show you some footage how the APD behaved They didn't act as professionally as the troopers. Who's first?

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2:07:20 A quick interview! Right on the window. Yell it, yell it!! This is the only time traffic's good. Alright here we are down at the city jail people standing up after I've been taken down for refusing a thumb scan and asking questions

2:08:05 And you'll now notice that the APD doesn't act with the same courtesy and professionalism of the Department of Public Safety. They actually follow Mike Hanson into the bathroom, push him around. Of course, you'll see them not allowing him to have his camera. Then he comes out after they've been pushing him around and we get this on camera of them arguing about it. Okay, he's probably all right. I don't know why he's again... How do you turn this thing? I don't want batteries right now. Well, there is Mike Hanson being lovingly followed in by the police and they pushed him towards the urinal. He just came out They pushed him towards the urinal and demanded to watch him urinate then pushed him again as he tried to leave

2:08:56 This is unbelievable behavior on the part of the APD. Very unprofessional, they've all been trained I guess that anybody who talks about the Constitution and freedom must be some kind of terrorist We also have them on film saying that they had to fall into a bathroom because you know we might damage property this is the situation they say No one pushed you in. Yes, you did! I never went in You did too, you were going to shut the door and go in another one came behind you See? Your wrong again Alright, get your back straight there Are they telling on your radio that this is a... Okay can I use the restroom now down below? It's closed I've seen other people going in there All I'm doing it just trying to set the facts straight

2:09:39 And you were able to know but y'all scared me by coming in there like y'all did why do I need anybody use a restroom? We don't know who you are. Is it normal for you cause damage we don't know You can observe you're gonna show your dad what you see like your set What if he is You bet.

2:10:21 It is procedure and you bet they do that. Bill Clinton's got urine and blood testing planned, ladies and gentlemen I've shown you the Federal Register many times this is out of control They're training your police that it's us against them That it's the thin blue line with military training to treat all citizens like criminals until proven innocent That's not the American way We have got to get local control back on our police And get good law enforcement in there that does not think of us as the enemy Of our children simply don't have what they need to grow and learn in their own homes or schools or neighborhoods. And that means the rest of us must do more, for they are our children too. Citizen service is an American responsibility which all Americans should embrace, and I ask your support for that endeavor.

2:11:25 We must pursue a deeper dialogue with China. And I have invited China's president to come here, not because we agree on everything but because engaging China is the best way to work on our common challenges and deal frankly with our fundamental differences like human rights Could you give the people of Travis County an update on this 18 page document that you wrote alleging corruption in the county auditor's office? Not at this time, not in this form.

2:12:11 How are the people going to get the truth if we don't know what's going on? I've called two judges, they've hung up the phone on me twice trying to get information. How can the public get information if it is just given off to a judge? Judges have been proven corrupt every day You have to be able to monitor your government to get the news So, could you help the citizens of Travis County know what's going on with this? I think they deserve the right to know the truth and what is going on. Judge Elshar have you been contacted by the Delta Force that was in San Antonio and is fixing to come into Austin? No Has anybody up here on the Commissioner's Court been contacted by the Delta Force? No

2:13:04 As a public service announcement for the citizens of Travis County, I wanna announce that Free Press International is having a KI controlled media protest at the KI studios this Friday May 29th at 5pm. If you We want to put a stop to the garbage that the mainstream media is reporting to us. If you will notice, three million people Hong Kong newspapers are reporting that 3 million people have died from starvation in the last couple of years Three million people

2:13:44 And so if you want to stand up and do something, and stand up for what's right. Please come to this KI controlled media protest it's at 10700 Metric Boulevard this Friday at 5 PM And also if you're interested in standing up for the truth and getting the real news, which is what Free Press International's all about. We're having a fundraising party next Wednesday not this Wednesday I'm sorry, Wednesday after next June 3rd from 7 to 10 PM at the Green Mesquite Barbecue on Barton Springs

2:14:22 Lamar. Music will be by the John Emery Band, Alex Jones is the featured speaker please come out June 3rd to the Green Mesquite and judge next time I come would really like to have some information on the Delta Force and on this 18 page document so that people can know the truth and not be covered up. Anyone else want to speak to the Commissioner's Court on any item? Not listed good morning Gus Good morning Judge, Commissioners. My name is Gus Pena President of East Austin Concerned Hispanics Two quick issues because I know you have a lot of speakers here Number one, we'd like to send our condolences to Jesse Colunga who lost his mother last week. May she rest in peace and again the condolences to all of his family and number two I would like to thank Councilmember Jackie Goodman for improving the communication process from the councilmembers to the community real quickly this is a memorandum from David Lurie Director of Health & Human Services to the council members and mayor

2:15:22 It is our intention to work closely with clinic management, FQHC staff etc. But also Jackie included and very positively we appreciate it says how about the clinic users regarding particular difficulties they have to track whether vacancies are an issue for long waiting times? And including other issues so again to Council Member Goodwin we appreciate the open lines of communication and I'm asking judges and commissioners and also I've asked the mayor city council members to ask Gojo Consulting Team to give us an update and progress report on what is transpiring in the clinics. And that's all we're asking, open the lines of communication through the community That's very important for users of the clinics I'm asking for y'all indulgence on this and support on this Thank you all very much Good morning John Foreman Texas Best Seminars

2:16:19 producer of In Your Face campaign as seen channel 10 every Thursday, 10 to 11.30 excuse me 11-12 in the morning With this latest tragedy in the Springfield Oregon school on Thursday one can now only imagine a new intrusive governmental protective legislative measures that will be introduced into the nation's school system Under the guise of protecting the children, the federal government along with state legislators will begin implementing freedom restricting measures designed to condition our children parents and school officials into accepting more not less intrusive measures into their lives towns and cities. On Friday

2:17:10 In a Reuters News article by Gene Gibson, he stated that the Department of Education released this study earlier this month that showed more than 6,000 students were expelled from schools last year for bringing guns and bombs into schools. He failed the public as a reporter in reporting the accuracy of his article by not mentioning where the study took place nor the number of school's in the study Mr. Gibson also quoted a Mr Bob Walker of Handgun Control Incorporated, a private company as saying we have a very serious problem it's an epidemic of gun violence in America schools and we have to do the responsible thing

2:18:01 The last time I checked Webster's two dictionary for the meaning of academic it stated, affecting many individuals at the same time or a rapid spread or increase in occurrence. Now words mean something but let's not change the meaning of a word to fit a crisis to promote a personal or corporate agenda." Again in this article Gibson tried to find a similar situation worldwide for comparison to what has been happening here in the United States. He came up with a former U.S colony, the Philippines where the law makes it easy to own handguns. Since words have meaning Webster's meaning for firearms are weapons for firing missiles or pistols or rifles using an explosive charge

2:18:55 He did not mention that today in that country there are thousands of bandits that hide in the mountains and occasionally raid towns and villages, but did mention that school shootings are virtually unknown. Wayne Lapeer, Executive Vice President of The National Rifle Association rejected renewed calls for gun control in the wake of this last shooting and then I quote, I want that kid prosecuted yesterday for that incident would never had occurred. He was referring to the fact that Kipland Kinko was expelled from school the day before the shooting for bringing a gun to class. Here lies the impetus for congressional and senatorial proponents of gun control, they heap a myriad of legislative proposals on the American people which promote their personal agendas

2:19:50 and is designed to destroy the second amendment to our glorious constitution. Mr Foreman would you complete your remarks? I am sir, the problem is not with guns of any type nor with teenagers it's with the federal government in the 60s a federal government forced thousands Hundreds of thousands of teenagers, mostly young men to take up arms against other teenagers across the sea. Is there anyone else who wants to testify this morning? Stop the Delta Force and organized crime in America begins with the federal government. Good morning Judge O'Shine, Commissioners. My name is Jimmy Castrum and I'm here to speak on my own behalf. I also serve as a member of the Greater Austin Chamber of Commerce in the Austin-Travis County Hispanic Chamber of Commerce. I've also served as former board member of the Millwood Neighborhood Association in North Austin. I'd like to remind everyone this year's Children's Miracle Network Telethon to benefit Children's Hospital of Austin at Brackenridge this Saturday and Sunday May 30th and 31st

2:20:57 All money raised from the Central Texas area during this telethon will be earmarked for the Children's Hospital of Austin at Brackenridge. Contributions will go to purchase equipment and develop new programs for the childrens hospital which provides the only pediatric surgery center, pediatric intensive care and childhood cancer and blood disorder center for children in 12 central Texas counties A new children's program that includes Children's Hospital, the Austin Independent School District, The University of Texas School of Nursing, The City Of Austin Health and Human Services Department and the Austin Project is to provide a mobile health unit that will go into the community to care for area children. This van is simply known as the Skippy Express Finally, Children's Hospital of Austin at Brackenridge

2:21:50 is based and built on three vital concepts. Collaboration, program excellence and service but what really makes Children's Hospital of Austin at Brackenridge different is people People who want to be challenged and to grow professionally. People who believe in and foster teamwork, people who can leave work each day knowing that they have made a difference in the life of a child this is what makes Children's Hospital of Austin at Brackenridge distinct This is what makes Children's Hospital of Austin at Brackenridge a classic Thank you Judge. Thank You Mr. Castro Who's next please?

2:22:34 My name is Steve Lane and I'll make my comments brief and quiet because i know that's the way you guys like it. If you really want to do something for the children, you could probably donate money to his cause but I ask that you do a very simple thing not asking that she turn away Delta Force, I'm not asking that you go shake your fist in their face or doing anything like that. I am asking two very simple things. I want you to call the San Antonio Police Chief, Chief Philippus and ask him about Delta Force, and ask him what his experiences are at Delta Force. And ask him what the experiences of his peers all across this country are with Delta Force I would also ask that you call the mayor of San Antonio and asked him what is experience is with Delta Force Asked him what's the experience of other mayors across this nation is with Delta Force

2:23:28 They will tell you that they have engaged in bribery, that is Delta Force has engaged in bribery. The police chief, Philippus himself has leveled that charge, that accusation. They have done damage to private buildings doing live fire weapons trainings and highly populated areas and less than affluent areas of town. They have done $100,000 worth the damage in one instance with some explosives that got out of hand They allowed stray bullets to wander in to a restaurant filled with people in New Orleans. Now if you want that for Travis County, then by all means don't make those two calls By all means let Delta Force come here and train as they see fit

2:24:17 But I say there's an alternative. There are military bases all across this country that have been closed down left and right They have tall buildings, they have urban-like areas Let them train on bases that were meant for them Don't let them train in areas meant for civilian populations don't let them fly helicopters in the most dangerous altitudes possible for helicopters And that is between 20 and 200 foot which is what they do during these exercises Anything over 200 feet a helicopter can do something called auto-rotate. That is if it loses power, it can still land safely but between 20 and 200 feet its just sitting ducked the pilot is completely helpless If they were to lose power at that altitude there's nothing they could do to stop whatever damage it is that they might cause Now Mr Jones might have some harsh words for you but I want you to remember this

2:25:06 Fault lies not in having harsh words. Fault lies in deserving harsh words, what is it that you deserve? Thank you. I guess Steve didn't see how nice I was last week. I actually meant to apologize for the way I've acted in the past simply because when you see the false reality When you know those fires from Mexico from a massive military offensive with the smoke in the air small percentage of it is the burnt bodies of natives and Indians. You want to introduce yourself? Yes my name's Alex Jones. Yes that's what the fires are reported in La Journal May 13th, excuse me may 14th the Mexican national newspaper you have a massive military offensive going on in southern Mexico that just to give you a small

2:25:59 small piece of the controlled press that we enjoy here in this modern propaganda state. I have a speech from May 22nd from the President at the United States Naval Academy commencement where he talks about how to keep us safe, their practice on taking over our quote Power systems, water supplies police and fire medical services air traffic control financial services and telephone system. Please Mr President I'll stop calling for impeachment maybe the Republicans will too you don't have to launch a full scale war against the nation and claim that terrorists did it so you can stay in power we know Hitler did it you don't have to follow Hitler installs model for the Gideon principle

2:26:52 Delta Force is going across the nation. I've got the San Antonio Express News, the Long Beach Sun or it just goes on and on. Delta force efforts to train here rebuff this was in the 5598 of the San Antonio Express News. The Army Elite Delta Force counter-terrorist team has asked San Antonio city leaders for permission to hold mock air and ground assaults using live ammunition, explosive charges and low flying helicopters in nighttime raids. Over here it talks about them blowing up businesses and shooting restaurants that's in the 5698 And they're coming here Austin Metro and State, Austin American Statesmen

2:27:35 I heard the police chief on a radio show or deputy police chief in Austin go on there and say yeah. And a caller called it said, well sir we don't think this is good should we have some input? This is unconstitutional to have a secret military team this isn't even the Marines or something. This is the Delta Force, the CIA hit arm and the police chief laughed at him he said why? We do not see you having any input. Well that's fine too I mean this isn't some conspiracy. I've got the police chief of San Antonio saying they tried to bribe him! I played that last night, and I played that six times. This is it! This is world history and things are so controlled. The Federal Reserve and the Treasury...the printing presses are just going at an incredible rate 10% more money as in economy than was five months ago you bet the economy's gonna do good its gonna even better

2:28:34 This is 1928 right now. I'll guarantee it, all these tapes are being saved. I mean, I told you about Clinton and the missiles to China three years ago. Mr Jones would you complete your report? Yes sir, I will go ahead and finish up basically it comes down to this maybe I haven't done the best job coming before y'all Maybe I see a threat and am young and hell even stupid but I do know enough to know when something's real You've got to stand against Delta Force. They're coming in late June, according to the statesman that confer with y'all. They're gonna have a lot of money they have 4.6 billion to dole out but I'm telling you everywhere they go they cause damage and Austin could be the place one those helicopters hits a guide wire and goes right into East Austin it's racist they always train

2:29:25 in the working class neighborhoods where they don't think people can stand up. Delta Force is racist, stand against them in East Austin get out here and oppose this behavior please commissioners protect us because one last thing sir that's what the police chief Ali Phillip has said he said my concern is the people and safety period what is your concern? The People Thank you Is there anyone else that wants to testify in Citizen's Commutation this morning? Stay tuned right here for more classics on this channel here, Hanson Archives. But to fund this station I'm offering

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2:30:45 But that's what we need to help fund this channel, folks. So help us get all the classics uploaded to YouTube We got hundreds and hundreds of old Alex Jones and Jeff Davis and a bunch other patriots that we need to upload Mike Hanson Archives Did you raise your hand? Yeah! You know...you know I tell ya There's a lot of dangerous people in this country, but we're going to keep you safe. You know what I was going to ask the other day? You always bring up that Reichstag bombing and all that. Do they think about it happening on April 19th?

2:31:29 You know that mascot, I'm not sure if I'm talking to Alex Jones. Oh yeah well don't worry about us covering up our identity you know we're multi-jurisdictional task force and we're top secret but you know... You know that mascot, I'm not sure if I'm talking to Alex Jones. oh yeah well don't worry about us covering up our identity You know, we're multi-jurisdictional task force and we're top secret but you know it's to help the children. Well of course it is hey man keep up the good work and all you listeners out there if you just turn to this you're not kind of freaked out about it need to pay attention and death to the new world order. God bless the republic! Death to the New World Order!