53:23 They had a drop charges because they might my right eye is not good enough to shoot there I can see out of it, but I can't see well enough inside again No, I could not and but I could use it my left eye But you cannot use the left eye on a right-handed gun. Well, I can't really feature you ever shooting And Catherine Madison was one of the oldest survivors there and I'm getting ready to show you an interview. I did 20 years ago, I'm gonna just show you the raw footage. I think it's about 30 minutes long and she's gonna tell her side of the story. I got to know Catherine Madison whenever she moved to Austin Texas back in about the mid 90s. She moved in with Wyla and her family
54:17 And while it was associated with the Branch Davidians, we started having the Branch Davidians on our TV show. As you know I was the producer for Jeff Davis at that time later on Alex Jones and a bunch of other Patriot type people and we started having the branch Davidians on in boy did I learn A lot about what happened In 1993 on that attack that happened there. I got to know her very good, I got to love her as a mother or grandma she was such a great lady she would have been in her hundreds by now think she died in 2009 and
55:09 This interview here tells the story about what she's seen on February 28th, 1993 and what she went through. Helicopters came in- Why don't you start over again? Okay Do you want to see all this? Yeah that's fine because it is the way it looks now The helicopters came from that direction And they were coming and as they came in, David's room was here. Like this is the building his room extended out on the south side and that's what they were pointing at. They were pointing at his room. And it came intruding in a V formation... I'll tell you. We're going to shoot the house over there sir?
56:11 The house to the left, there's two houses there. The one to the left is where they shopputers were and after things had gotten to the place where I was released from jail and they had this all encircled with a six foot fence so you couldn't come down this way I walked around. I had to use the bathroom and I knew those houses were available, so asked if I could go in and they said yes. So I went in and I walked all over that house when I could see there you can see one two three windows to the left of the door and that's where they were sitting and shooting. That building had about
57:08 eight men that would come and go, sometimes they'd be quite a few there. Sometimes they would be gone and at the time I was living here and Wayne was in the... he was with us And I would go to Wayne and ask if you know about it? What about the people over there? Man! They're always there you know, there's always somebody there. And he said I'll find out who they are and so he inquired and when they found out they told him that they were going to school over at GSTC well their vehicles were exceptionally nice and most of them looked pretty new trucks in the vehicles ahead
58:10 When he told me that, we kind of laughed because we knew that if they had been going over to TSTC they wouldn't have that type vehicle. Because that is not a school that has people with money. They would be going to another college or another place for their instruction. But anyway they used to take our pictures and uh...that's where they did a lot of shooting from And it was a type of bus that you'd find on the road for long distance, like your greyhounds. And we used it quite a bit That was still in good shape after the fire although they had ramped the front of it but this was destroyed after the fire and I don't know who destroyed it but somebody came in and fired at it and tore all the pieces
59:12 Just like they ruined the other bus we had. See? Oh, this camera can. Can you see that? Uh huh. See that there? That is razor wire! That is so sharp you can hardly touch it. It will cut you They had some that was bigger. It was about twice the width of this, and that's what I was looking for but i don't see it here But they put the razor wire in front of the windows You know they said they wanted people to come out but they put the razor wire in front of the windows and there was no way people could come out of those windows which they could have crawled out at any time
1:00:04 with that wire there. That would have ripped them to pieces! You have no concept of how sharp that is!! I wish i could find the other... And, I went into the barn and I could see where they had set up snipers there They also set up snipers in the ground where they dug uh..into the ground to make it actually look like what you saw pictures of a war and men had dug in so that they could watch the enemy and shoot them. We had snipers all around us, and there were two houses across the street that were one of the houses set up there So when 25 or 30 people came out on the back of our home there, they were shot
1:01:02 And afterwards they took the... What was the vehicle they used to push it back into? No, it was a tank. It had a... Many of the people came out the back way because they knew if they came out front they'd be shot
1:01:39 And so they thought, well if they came out the back way they would escape the fire. But because of the snipers that were all around, they were shot and they were shot by experts. I feel sorry not only for the people that they're going to use but for the people are you that are using because i know what their end will be and i realize David comes back, there'll be a great change. And I am waiting for that day because I happen to know many things in the scriptures that I cannot tell right now He will tell it when he comes back and he's coming back you can bank on that