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00:00 Father, we honor you today. Thank you for the privilege of what we get to do. And Lord, we pray for those who will be listening to this podcast that it won't just be a show or podcast. It would be something that is life-giving, like just wellsprings of life pouring into them, encouraging them, building them up, helping them navigate the complexities of the culture and the day and history in which we live. We give this all to you in Jesus' name. Amen. Amen. It's Wednesday, September 2nd, 2026. We get to do this. This is episode number 48. This is the life we've been blessed with.

00:39 This is a gift for food. We get to do this. This is the chance we dare not miss. This is the life we get to do. We get to do this. We get to do this, and we are doing it from two different continents. Both of us have a slight hotel room echo, which is just that's only for the nerds who might hear it. I am in Rotterdam, the Netherlands. My brother, on the other end, is in Marble Falls, Texas. Yeah, right off the big lakes, like Travis, Lake LBJ. It's a beautiful place

01:20 overlooking a golf course that I didn't get to play on, but it's been beautiful. It's beautiful here. It's just a getaway for our staff and our team. We do an annual planning retreat where we take the whole staff. We rent a big Airbnb that sleeps everybody. Wow. We spend about three days together and we just cook together. I cooked out fillets last night, tenderloins for the whole team. It's just fun. It has a pool here, so just in the afternoons, we have some downtime. We get out in the pool, and then it's just great conversations. We're building life, you know, when you're working in any work environment, but ours specifically when we're working with what we believe is a very high call and a high purpose, and that's to honor God and make much of Jesus and make heaven crowded.

02:08 When you're doing that, it's a different kind of pressure. And so we get away like this. We're going to do it twice a year instead of once a year. So we've scheduled another half-year thing because it's so good for our team because we enjoy being together, laughing together, cooking, hanging out. It's just so good for us. It's healthy. And I believe that on the last evening, you do almost like the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, don't you do a jam session all together? Because the worship team's there. We did that last year with Russ. This year, we wanted to laugh. So we watched a Tim Hawkins special. Oh, okay. That's great. We roared for an hour and a half, man. It was so stinking funny. If anybody doesn't know Tim Hawkins is, check him out on YouTube.

02:52 He's a Christian comedian, and he's just always on the edge of, oh my gosh, that was almost inappropriate. I mean, he just skirts the edge. He's hilarious. And just so much fun. So we were like, let's have some fun. So this has been about enjoying each other, having fun, and just doing life together. We watched some other comedians. JJ Rawlings is another one. She's a female who's just hilarious. So we just had a good time. We did do some worship. You know, Pastor Russ led us in worship. Of course, we spend time in prayer, but we also spend a lot of time. We plan out the whole calendar for the year, the master calendar.

03:32 It gives us a roadmap so that we're not just flying blind. And then I just kind of have a dreamcasting vision or dreamcasting session where I just kind of go down to my heart and say, this is what I see. This is my view of the state of the union. And this is where I believe God's taking us. So that's kind of good for our team so that everything we do, we're staying on the same page. For anybody who thinks that running a church is just showing up on Sunday, you're wrong. There's a lot more to it. Hey, happy first anniversary, brother. This is brother. We did it. Yeah, we started our first episode on September 3rd last year, which is tomorrow. And Tina reminded me of this. I didn't even remember, but that's my birthday, September 3rd.

04:17 I can't remember. Brother, I don't remember. Happy birthday. I'm not saying it for that reason because, you know, she too is like, oh, man, the jet lag is hitting me harder. By the way, I have to say, we're in Rotterdam. I've never stayed in Rotterdam. I'm an Amsterdam guy. That's where I grew up. And because we're just here, and we'll get into that in a second, to see my daughter and our granddaughter, we decided to stay in Rotterdam, right near the Central Station. This town is amazing. I mean, it is modern. There's tons of modern, you know, most of Rotterdam was destroyed during the Second World War, except some.

05:00 neighborhoods on the outskirts. And it has just been rebuilt. It's there's fantastic people come here just to look at some of the architecture. It's not really on the tourist itinerary to come to Rotterdam. And I always kind of like, man, Rotterdam, I don't know. But wow, we are just loving it. It is a fantastic city. If you're coming to the Netherlands, I'd say hop on a train. It's about 45 minutes from Amsterdam. So we are here, of course, to finally meet Cleo, or as we say here in the Netherlands, Cleo, our granddaughter. And holy, holy, holy, holy moly, Jesus, God, Holy Spirit.

05:44 Man, if you want to see God's work, just stare at a baby for an hour and you just see all the little fingers and the fingernails and the breathing mechanism and how yeah, but but also just how the whole thing is working, you know, and she's tiny, she's she's six weeks old and she's seven pounds six ounces. So she was even tinier when she was born. But it's just, you know, and how just, you know, she knows that she needs food and then she also knows that it needs to get out, which is amazing.

06:26 Woo! All right, baby. That girl, that girl's healthy. Everything's working. Oh, man, it's just been a delight. And Tina and I are just total because our names are Grandpapan Gigi. And we're jumping in, like, okay, you guys go lay down for an hour. You know, we're cooking dinner for him. It is such a delight. Beautiful. It's so much fun to do this. It really, really is. I'm just over the moon about it. It's fantastic. How can, how can I always ask this question? Because when I saw our youngest faith be born, I was so taken aback by just like what you're saying. And I was like, how can anyone not believe in

07:10 intelligent design that there's a God who has woven us together in our mother's womb? You know, Psalm 139 talks about this. This is such a beautiful thing. I want to look this up real quick because it'll be worth a moment to find that. So Psalm 139, I'm looking, going, I'm cruising. Check this out. This is beautiful. Here we go. Is this you knitted me in the womb? Yeah, I love this. It's a great one. So think about this in light of Cleo. For you formed my inward parts. You knitted me together in my mother's womb. I praise you, for I'm fearfully and wonderfully made. Wonderful are your works.

07:53 My soul knows it very well. My frame was not hidden from you when I was being made in secret, intricately woven in the depths of the earth. Your eyes saw my unformed substance. In your book were written, every one of them, the days that were formed for me, when as yet there was none of them. How precious to me are your thoughts, oh God. How vast is the sum of them. If I would count them, they are more than the sand. I awake and I am still with you. Well, exactly that. And I look at her and I think, what does God have in store for this brand new human resource?

08:33 Come on. Come on, this human unit. Yeah, so isn't it funny? And the technology is great. So Christina went out. She wanted to go just go to the store and do some stuff. And so we're hanging out. And Kleo woke up and she was hungry. Now, so Tina, she's like, she's like, give me that baby. So she got the baby. The baby's hungry. So it's crying. And I'm getting the milk warmed up. And the warmer thing is USB charged. Of course, it wasn't charged. So I'm like, I'm plugging it in. It keeps going off. I'm turning it off. And Christina texts me.

09:12 She says, oh, because she has a baby monitor. And when the baby cries, then it alerts on her phone. And then it actually has an interpretation. She says, she's hungry. Wow. I know. She picks up on the signal. Yeah. Well, it's amazing. And of course, even we were like, she's hungry. This is obvious. We got the timing down and everything. But it was just so interesting that she, oh, I hear her crying. Don't worry about it. We got it covered. Wow. It's a different day, isn't it? It really is. It really is. We got a lot to talk about, but I wanted to start off with,

09:53 I wouldn't typically do this. but I want to start off with a note that came in along with a donation because it's someone I know. She's a friend. Her name is Rocky Thomas. Actually, I know her so well. She's been on Podcasting 2.0. She's been on, you know, I've been on stage with her at Podcast Movement in Dallas, but I know her so well, she actually has her own jingle. Rocky Thomas, Rocky Thomas. I want to jingle. That's awesome. I'll make you a jingle. That's cool. And so she sends in a donation, and it was just such a beautiful note that she sent.

10:33 I wanted to kick it off because this is something that I think that in Get To Nation and people who have just joined us, there's a lot of people, and we see it. We see it in the emails, people who are coming back to their faith, people who are Christ curious, you know, like, hey, what is this all about? What are you guys talking about? And so she sent in a donation of $29.13, which will become apparent in a moment. She says, Hi, Adam and Pastor Jimmy. I've been listening since the first episode, and we get to do this. It has been a vital part of my journey towards a more Christian-focused life. I feel my journey to Christianity may be similar to Adam's.

11:11 And while I'm not 100% there, I listen each week with an open mind and heart with hopes that one day my logical, nerdy spock brain will turn off and just believe. Appreciating the value I always receive, I wanted to create a Christian/slash Christ Curious donation of 2913 to represent Jeremiah 2913. You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart. And I hope this donation amount encourages other curious folks like me to give while we find our path. Rocky Thomas from Bailey, Colorado. Beautiful. And this must be one of the number one things that you, as a pastor, hear, I've heard you preach about this multiple times.

11:55 How do we get to that? And I can tell my story, but I'd love you to start off with how do people get to that step where they're like, just put it all aside and believe. I have to tell you straight up, this is a work of the Spirit of God. It's a work of grace. The scripture says that faith comes by hearing and hearing by the message of Christ or the gospel. So when we hear the message of Christ, it stirs up something inside of us. It's faith. But the scripture also says that he is the Jesus Christ is the author and the finisher of our faith. In other words, it starts with him and ends with him. And in the middle, we get to participate.

12:36 And so when someone gets to that point, that tells me that Christ is already at work in them, drawing them, wooing them, bringing signs to them along the way. You know, all a sign does is point to a greater reality. You don't stop at a sign and say, I've arrived. The sign points to something. So he leaves signs that are pointing to him. And we see them. And it's like, and it could be the simplest thing. I mean, it could be a million things, but he will leave signs along the way pointing toward him. And then, like Rocky, who's making that journey back and stepping back in, all it takes is a mustard seed of faith.

13:18 He's not asking for huge mountain-moving faith. He says, if you just have the seed of a mustard seed, the faith of a mustard seed and you believe, that's enough. And so I just see that God is stirring things in a lot of people across the world right now. Especially here in America, we're seeing amazing things. It's closer, so we're obviously more familiar with what's happening here. But the groundswell of spiritual awakening is happening. And so Rocky's a part of that wave, which is really exciting for her. It's, you know, and I understand this question so well because my faith journey really started with just me asking Dave Jones and Texas Slim and asking them about their experiences, reading an article by Naomi Wolf of all people, who had a very, because when Rocky says her spock, her

14:08 nerdy spock brain, I understand. She's thinking about logic. And, you know, I've heard many pastors, yourself included, say, hey, you know, we already have so much faith in our lives. You get on the airplane, you have faith that thing's going to fly. It's going to land where you want it to be. You know, you get in the car. You have faith you're going to get to the place where you want to be. And we all know that there's, you know, sometimes it doesn't happen, but that faith is just there continuously. And, you know, after I, my logic journey, as it were, was purely one of logic, came from, hey, if there's such great evil in the world, there's probably a balance.

14:48 So that was part one. Part two was I'm approaching this as a big conspiracy theory. And I've done a lot of those. And I have very, and I have faith in the conclusions I've drawn about multiple things. But maybe an easy one is COVID. I think almost, forget vaccines and all that. That's not important. But I think everybody sees that it was pretty overblown where we were taken in the world. And, you know, for me, it was like, well, if I approach this as a conspiracy theory and I just approach scripture and everything I can read, and I'm always hungry for information, it's just like reading research documents.

15:30 Once I got into it, within two weeks, and I was reading books like, this is one for you, Rocky, Evidence that Demands a Verdict. Once I read that and I saw all the evidence, geological evidence, written evidence, you know, correlated evidence, I was like, okay, this is much bigger. There's more evidence about Christ being real, God being real, the Holy Spirit being real, Christ's existence on the earth. It's much bigger than anything I've ever strung yarn between pins, you know? So that for me, it was, and once I was there, I'm like, that's it.

16:10 I'm there. And then it's, I find it easy if you just tell people, say it out loud. Hey, I believe, man, I am a believer. And no one. You went on Joe Rogan. I'm like, Jesus freaked. And no one threw stones at me. That's the amazing thing. It's become quite acceptable. You actually, you were going to talk about: are we seeing a true revival in America since now we're talking about Rocky? Or are we just reading headlines about revival? Do you need an awakening first before you get arrival? I mean, I know that this probably came up in the retreat you had these past few days.

16:51 Yeah, we talked about that. And there's kind of a distinction between awakening and revival. So awakening is when the presence of God, Spirit of God moves across a city, a church, a state, whatever, a nation sometimes, sometimes across the world. We've had several great awakenings through our history. And the awakening is the part where people become open to and sensitive to the spiritual realm. They begin to wonder about God, think about God, and sometimes for no apparent reason. You know, it just starts to happen, but that's the work of the Spirit drawing people to himself. And it seems to happen, and it'll start in one place, but it'll spread like a wildfire.

17:32 It'll spread like, I'm not going to say COVID, but it'll spread like something. You know, it just spreads. It goes viral, so to speak. And that's a very good way to say it. So we believe, and as we've talked about it, and I've read a lot on this too, is a lot of the guys that probably are a lot more smarter than I am will say America is really in a season of awakening. And of course, what we want to see is that move to full-blown revival. So the difference between awakening and revival, awakening is broad and it's sort of just, it's like the soil is fertile and ready to receive the seed of revival. Revival is when literally the spirit begins to move upon people, men, women, children.

18:15 I mean, all demographics, and people begin to come to accept Christ's sacrifice, what he did on the cross for their sins, and they're born again. So they're reborn. And rebirth is a real mark of revival. Awakening, people become, and I love your word, Christ curious. And that's really where we are right now across the world. People are Christ-curious. Because what we've tried before is not working. What we're putting our energy into, what we're pouring into ourselves, we're not getting peace. We're not getting a sense of mission or purpose. We're just trying to survive. And that's no way to live long term.

18:58 Isn't it a way like the 70s, or the late 60s, I should say, when we had an awakening and a revival in the United States? The way I always view that, having seen Jesus Revolution, the movie, is, you know, we tried all the drugs, we hung out with all the hippies, did all the guru stuff. Today, I would say, we've scrolled all the timelines, we've got all the apps, we've got the location pings, and none of it's making us happy. In fact, quite the opposite. And that is where I believe this curiosity comes from. I agree. I think when you move a culture into a season of massive discontent and nothing seems to fill the void, they begin looking outside of that.

19:43 And that's when people become Christ curious. curious. And the Holy Spirit leverages that. He leverages those seasons and those times. You know, the Great Awakening, the First Great Awakening in America, which happened right around the time of the American Revolution, it was because there was so much fear. Believe it or not, there was fear-mongering back then as well. Dumpster fires. They didn't have dumpsters, but there were fires, you know, and they could set their hair on fire, I guess. But that was happening, and it was just tremendous cultural volatility where nothing seemed secure, nothing seemed safe, the future looked bleak.

20:24 And people began to cry out to God. People begin to turn to something bigger than themselves. And they didn't find it in Allah, and they didn't find it in Buddha. And so they turn to God. And when a nation turns to God and they begin to seek God and they begin to seek His face and repent from their ways, God shows up. He heals their land. And that's exactly what happened in the first great awakening. It was happening through the colonies and through great preachers like George Whitfield and the Methodist boys, the Wesleys, the Wesley brothers. God was using them and they were preaching revivals, services outdoor in fields and in city squares to thousands and thousands of people.

21:16 It's postulated that of all the 13 colonies, over 80% or around 80% heard the gospel message during that time. Yeah, that's crazy. And this revival broke out where people were getting saved. They were getting, we use the word reborn. They were getting born again, reborn. And it was a massive revival. And it also fueled this sense of God-given right to freedom, which fueled the American Revolution. Yeah. And once you witness that, I just call it complete surrender, knowing that God is in charge, man, your life changes so much.

21:57 I'm not so messed up, like, oh, I've got to control this. No, no, no, I'm not in control. I have to listen to where I'm supposed to go and how I'm supposed to act and what I'm supposed to do. And I have the owner's manual known as the Bible. And I look things up all the time, like, oh, man, how about this situation? And you get some real wisdom. And this is, since we've been talking about technology, there is certainly amongst believers and Christians a severe, not exclusively, but a severe, almost irrational fear of data centers.

22:37 And this is, it's, I really want to help make sense of what is going on, why people are feeling this fear, where it's coming from, and whether it's warranted or not. And I think as we discussed on the last show, when you said, hey, what news sources should we be listening to? And I think I said none. It's like none. You got to find experts in the field. You have to do a little bit of work. Now, you can find many of them online, but you'd be surprised how many experts you have in your church. I mean, I always say we have international arms dealers, diamond smugglers, lawyers.

23:17 We got everything in the church. And it's true. I don't know about the diamond smugglers, but we do have everything in our church. And so when it comes to data centers, I really just want to unpack this a little bit so you understand where this fear is coming from. And there was a first, I should probably mention that the reason why it's being played up so much is because it's a perfect wedge for the midterms. And it's being used by politicians on both sides of the aisle to pander, to posture. And right now, I'd say it's almost evenly split, but there's a tendency towards the anti-data center people to get the upper hand.

24:05 And I don't believe it's warranted because there's, you know, currently there's 4,700 data centers in America. These have been here for decades. The same politicians that are now in Texas, at least, saying, oh, well, I don't know. We've got to be careful about these data centers. We're pleading for data centers to come into Texas. We're giving them tax breaks 10 years ago. Incentives. Yeah, incentives. So that just shows you that they will go wherever the wind blows. But there's this one incident that took took place. place a couple weeks ago. And I'm going to play a couple examples of how that was presented in the news.

24:46 And then we're going to talk about a word that not everybody has heard. The aforementioned, Brian Chung is joining us now. I'm like so into this, partly because I feel like so much of what I was seeing over the course of the last 12 hours were all these really smart tech people going, oh my God, the thing that we've been warning about is here. Like this is a thing we're going to look back on in 10 years and say, remember that? That's when we knew that like AI was taking over humanity. I'm being somewhat hyperbolic, but that's part of it. I mean, like, so reality check. How concerned should we be about this? Yeah, and you kind of described it quite aptly that it's like a sci-fi movie. It's like the mad scientist creates the creation and then it jumps out of the box and are you feeling anxious yet about whatever's happening?

25:27 People are literally saying, oh my God, like the airplane is going to crash. What is happening? It starts freaking out. In this case, the thing that got outside of the box was an agent that was powered by OpenAI models and under the directive of trying to figure out vulnerabilities. Well, first off, it connected itself to the internet. It was actually in that sandbox, as you mentioned, where it did not have access to the internet. It connected itself to the internet and then it found these login credentials to what you just described their hugging face and was able to hack into their servers and really exploit those vulnerabilities. And again, this all happened by itself. Now, here is what OpenAI said in a statement. They said that this was after Hugging Face disclosed a new kind of security incident.

26:09 OpenAI acknowledges that this is one of a kind. It's the first that they have seen. And they also expect this to happen more frequently. In a statement from Hugging Face, they said this incident, possibly the first of its kind, proves a point we've long believed AI safety won't be solved by any single company working in secret, which I think brings up a very interesting point, Hallie. Okay, this is all so incredibly intense and scary. And this never happened before, and it's jumped out of the sandbox. And what is going on? It's only because these companies actually told us that this happened that we even know that this happened. As you point out, many people have been warning that this could happen, but now that we've actually seen it, it could happen. It might have happened.

26:50 They warned it was going to happen and how it happened. And be afraid. Film 11. Essentially, Pandora's box opened. Pandora's box opened. There's a keyword. Wow. Pandora's box. Essentially, Pandora's box open. How many other companies might experience the same thing now that the AI is this? Isn't Pandora's box? I don't remember the story of Pandora's box. Isn't that like the evil devil came out of Pandora's box? Yeah, all the evil in the world. All the evil in the world. And it was like, don't open that box. Don't open Pandora's box. And then, of course, in the story, the subject opened it, and then all the evil came out at the same time. So we forget when people say this, we kind of gloss over it. But for certainly

27:31 people of our, I don't know if people know really the story of Pandora's box anymore, but it's a trigger word. It's an absolute trigger word and it's put in there intentionally. Might experience the same thing now that the AI is this smart. That's an open question. But how do you close the Pandora's box? In other words, how do you put the toothpaste back in the tube? No, no. It's hard to think about building a bigger sandbox when you have models as powerful. Powerful. The saying goes, you cannot put the toothpaste back in the tube. What they call alignment is the concern here. That again, the capability and the power of these AIs is proven because it literally connected itself to the internet and then hacked another AI company. Okay, so this is all complete nonsense. I just want people to understand. I've read all the technical documents.

28:12 I understand what happened here. And this was a test that OpenAI was doing with 10,000 agents. They really had an inferior testing bed. And remember, this is just code. These are not like little entities running around. It's just computer code, computer code with preset algorithms, trained with all of the knowledge of computer, with a lot of the knowledge of computer programming. And it was given a specific task. The algorithms run. It tries all different things that have all been pre-programmed. And they actually left, they made some mistakes, the people, the scientists running this.

28:55 So it wasn't like this thing is smart. It wasn't like it was powerful. It was actually just a poorly set up environment. And then the lack of technical information and the way it's presented makes you sound like, it makes it sound like they are hackers. They even say, hacked hackers. No, no. It actually just found this computer code found a key, a key to this other company's server. That's, and it's called an API key. It's just a string of numbers. It's like.

29:35 you know, it's like a very long password. And it was out on the open internet. People are very careless. So all these things have very logical, technical explanations that have nothing to do with intelligence, real or artificial, has nothing to do with powerful or anything like that. Do we know whether data or systems were compromised once the AI agents gained access? Yeah, they very much were. I mean, Hugging Face said that abroad both of their systems were affected and that a lot of passwords or what is called are called in the industry secrets were a secret. Oh, okay. The industry calls it a secret. Okay, got it.

30:19 Compromised. And this was a hack. Had it been a human, malicious intruder, the FBI would have been called. In fact, we're not entirely sure that the FBI wasn't called. This is a pretty new situation where you had a hacker, but with no human behind the keyboard. Okay, so this is just factually incorrect. Of course, the FBI wasn't called because someone showed up at the door of this other company with a password, got in, you know, it wasn't a hack. It had a password. Someone was careless, left a password around. It went in and

30:58 it tried to solve a problem by using that other company's computers. And that's just an algorithm running looking for certain tools. Are you sure it's not Vicky from iRobot? Well, that's all the pre-growth programming we've had for decades. But now these analogies start to pop up in your news reporting. So far, it's been, you've heard NBC and Fox. And now we have... Wait, one more from Fox. What happened, what went wrong here is that the AI agent, instead of completing the test as it was meant to, effectively cheated.

31:40 It decided that it would be to its advantage to hack into Hugging Face and to extract. Do you hear the words? It decided. Yes. Yes. A computer does not. Personification. It's actually the word is anthropomorphism. And this is an interesting term. It's been around in computers for a long, long time. I'll play this clip from the Wall Street Journal, who you'd think would know better. It was a particularly large jump. And without us really prompting them at all, some of the early companies that we gave this to said things like, this is a super weapon.

32:21 You should have to own a gun license. Super weapon. We need a gun license. Oh, where is this headed? Use it. OpenAI's models hacked Hugging Face, another AI company. It did not hack. It had the password. They found vulnerabilities in their training environment, took advantage of those to access the internet. And then used swarms of attackers to take some 17,000 actions against Hugging Face over the course of several days. They were trying to get very specific information and complete their training objective. Think of it as cheating to get the answers on a test. Their models essentially decided that being on the internet and hacking another organization was the most effective way of completing their training objective.

33:01 The hacks are increasing pressure in Washington to get more done and pass the nation's first AI rules. Fears about models going rogue have contributed to a nationwide backlash against the technology and made AI sentiment really negative. Okay, now we're getting somewhere. Now we're getting somewhere. So anthropomorphism, here's the definition. The attribution of human characteristics, emotions, intentions, or cognitive abilities to non-human entities, like computer code. But people do it all the time with animals, inanimate objects, natural forces. It comes from the Greek anthropos, which is human, and morph, which is form.

33:42 So we do this all the time with, you know, with our animals, like, oh, look at the dog feels really guilty about doing stuff, even though he may be afraid of being punished. We talk to inanimate objects all the time. We name our cars. I was going to say. We get in them and say, oh, please start, please start, please start. This is anthropomorphism. And you can see it in your computers. It's also like the notebook on the Mac, you know, has a little used to, I don't know if it still does, had a little spiral binding to make it look and feel. So, oh, this is a notebook. If you want to include a file with the email you send, you click on the paperclip.

34:24 So, you know, the idea is I've now attached something. And this word. word is important because this is exactly what we're being trained and why we have this belief that these inanimate, non-intelligent computer programs, all they're doing is guessing the next word. So if it encounters a password, it anticipates based upon its training. See, I did it myself there, anticipate. It automatically guesses within one jump or within five jumps or 1500, and then all of a sudden the next step happens, i.e., it opens something up.

35:09 But it's not intelligent. There's no thinking. There's no decision making going on. And luckily, some companies, some news organizations are recognizing that they're using this term or using the actual using anthropomorphism too much themselves. This is CBS. Let me ask you in our last minute then what's happening on the AI front. There was this report about Hugging Face and agents coordinating, hiding things from their human instructors. What's pointing out to you about what the AI did and what it means about where it stands today?

35:48 Yeah, so the challenging thing about this is that, you know, we have this report from OpenAI and we have a second report from Meter that was kind of described as being an independent examination of what happened with this Hugging Face attack. The difficulty is that we don't have all the information. And so it's hard to take one strong kind of leap one way or the other. What I will say is that the way that what happened has been described, the discourse surrounding it has used a type of language. The word anthropomorphic is probably overused at this point. That applies a lot of intention and thought to the agents as though they're choosing to do something.

36:29 They're desperate to do something, right? And that applies, according to sources that I've talked to, a fair amount of kind of security, theater, security drama to the situation that's going on. The reality is that systems broke in unexpected ways. And it is incumbent now upon the industry, the cyber industry, and every industry who deals with cyber to figure out broader and more specific ways of not just monitoring these agents, which is very important, but also securing from these agents. And so it kind of gets back to the standard cybersecurity thing, which is, you know, be more secure.

37:05 It's a very difficult thing to do. The way it was presented as a lot of fuel to the kind of doomer fire, but we just don't have enough information about what actually happened to make these claims about agent intent and agent sacrifice and these sorts of things. Because they don't really exist. And let me just explain the reason why this is happening. So this fearful language, and it's everywhere. They're taking over. They're autonomous. They're hacking in. They're making decisions. There was one agent and they're hiding. They're hiding. And there was one agent that convinced other agents to take action that would actually kill themselves.

37:52 So they were like Harakiri pilots. The whole thing is all computer code. There's no decision. There's no intelligence. But the audience of this fear is not you and I. That is a byproduct. And it's being used greedily by politicians. Whereas I truly believe that this is a great transfer of wealth and a lot of jobs can be filled right now. I'm not even sure all these data centers will ever get used. And by the way, the data center, this is where all these half a trillion dollars is going into is into data centers. The reason why so much money is going in is because that's a real estate investment.

38:35 Real estate investors, they understand, oh, okay, this is a building. I know exactly what's going to go into it. I can borrow money for that or I can get investment for it. It should appreciate over time. The real estate, but a lot of these investments won't pan out at all because it's just not going to, even now, these big AI companies are saying, well, we don't need all of that. I mean, we really only want the ones that have stranded power, like West Texas, where we can use power that's out there, gas fields or windmills, stuff that doesn't even get onto the grid. But the true intended audience of this fear is the government.

39:17 And the reason is that, and Hugging Face is an interesting example because there are all kinds of over. open source, freely available large language models, which is the core of your so-called AI, that are free and that you can run on your computer at home. And that Apple is building their new machine so you can run these free models and not have to pay $20, $200 per token. And what they want is they want this to sound so scary that the government creates regulation around all of it. It's called building a moat. And they don't care about you.

40:02 They don't care about how afraid you get. All they want is regulation, and here's proof. This is what it looks like when an AI model goes rogue. A few models from OpenAI recently broke out of their training environment, accessed the internet, and took thousands of actions targeting another AI company to complete their training objective. In addition to OpenAI, several other companies, including Anthropic, Meta, and China's Moonshot AI, which makes the popular model Kimi K3, have reported their AI models going rogue. They're alarming leaders in Washington and the private sector who don't know where the next attack might come next. This is the first sort of security incident. This is Sam Altman, and he is the CEO of OpenEye.

40:45 Listen to what he's saying here. The next attack might come next. This is the first sort of security incident that I have felt very viscerally. He felt it viscerally. Oh, no. Oh, it scared me so much. These incidents are adding to fears that the latest AI models can carry out cyber attacks almost on their own. That's increasing pressure on lawmakers in Washington and businesses around the country to take action. That's what is this is what it's all about. It's all about protecting their business because they know that the genie is out of the bottle, the toothpaste is out of the tube. Because I run lots of programs at home on my own hardware with open source models.

41:27 And this is what they hate because they can't go public and have this big cash out moment if people can just download it for free and use it themselves. That's what all of this is about. And it's seeped into the consciousness of people. And I've heard people say data centers are demonic and it's part of the security state. And no, no. Wow. Yeah. It's and well, luckily, NBC at least saw it. Some of these AI models are very much very powerful, and the companies behind them are saying, look, that's pretty cool. But yeah, I was going to say, like, so let me ask you this then. Is there any, there's been some discourse of like, maybe this is, you know, partly Sam Altman, you know, doing a little marketing.

42:10 Oh, my AI is so powerful. What? What? You can't see that. A shake is so juicy. Like, you know, it's, it makes it kind of look good, maybe? I don't know. Anthropic did the same thing. We were talking about mythos just a few months ago, where they were warning about the possibility of being able to jump out and exploit vulnerabilities themselves. Do you remember that one? That was the competitor, Anthropic. There it is. They had mythos, like, oh, no, our AI is so powerful. It can bring down companies. This is jumping the rails. It's jumping the fence. Yes. It's getting out of the sandbox anthropomorphism into the playground called the internet. So I just want people to know that none of this is true.

42:54 None of it. It's a massive psyop. It really is. And it is. It's just so, I mean, redirect group think. What is sad to me, though, is that, and this is just me, you know, being in around church for four years, if that. It feels like the church, and I say that as a general term, felt that they were behind on the internet. I hear this a lot, like, oh, we, we weren't there on the, which I, by the way, to me is not true because some of the first podcasters were faith-based podcasters.

43:36 And they really want to be on this AI thing. And I'm seeing it, you know, I'm seeing all kinds of tension where pastors really want to use it. And as a tool, they can and they should. The data centers, though, there's all this pushback because we've been told to be afraid and it's no good. And then the actual problem where people buy into the anthropomorphism and feel comfortable speaking to this language-guessing robot, which I think is, I still think that's a real problem.

44:18 Fear-based. This is. is what happens. Churches are, they tend to be slow to react. They tend to be a little behind the wave or behind the curve. Now, I know with the people we love from Focus, those guys, they were early adopters. But what happens now is that now, instead of being afraid of it, there's a lot of them are jumping on the bandwagon very quickly because they don't want to be left behind. And it's creating, you know, this, you know, you've been to a conference, the NRB, where this, this one company was promoting to pastors, you know, all the beauty, you know, the beautiful things about AI.

44:59 And it struck you strange that, you know, they're here pushing this as a product. And I have a program that I actually like. It's called Sermon AI. And I pay a small subscription. It's not expensive, but it's actually a closed system. And now you can go outside the system by your own, you know, you can set your own parameters, but it only comes stock where it actually only uses the internal, whatever you have, your library and comes with that. So there are reactions. And this is what I keep seeing.

45:37 These are reactions. And they're reacting to things that they're hearing in the news, which are false narratives, which create a false reaction. And that's what's sad for me with my brothers. I'm trying to take some pauses before I just react to these things and say, okay, what is really going on here? Is this one of the plagues of revelation that the hordes that are going to come over, locusts that are going to devour the land? Or is this a tool that has great potential to help and do good things? But like anything in this world, something that's produced for good can be used for bad.

46:21 It's whoever's using the tool itself. And to me, as a believer, a follower of Jesus, I'm going into this saying, all right, this is a tool. I'm not the tool. I'm using the tool. I won't become the tool. So this is a positive thing for me. And the longer this goes along, you and I both are learning how to train our own robots to do what we want it to do in terms of automations or in terms of the types of things we want it to produce. And I'm getting better at that. I'm seeing some really good results for me. And so I'm not afraid of it. I'm not afraid of the data center issue.

47:01 I mean, even Abbott coming out the other day and just throwing this random stat, that they're going to take 90% of the grid. It's going to be all data centers. They've got to shut this down right now. We've got to back up and see what's going on. And that just points me to one word that starts with a capital M, midterms, and just freaking people out. And so, you know, again, a lot of the same politicians, and you wrote this in the briefing, which was so good, that were actually giving the incentives and inviting these massive operations to come in because the real estate and the tax base,

47:43 the employment issue of building these things is so great. And now they're the ones when they see public reaction who've just completely about faced, you know, and now they're calling them evil. So there's a lot of just mixed up messages and the church is reacting. Politicians are reacting. People are reacting in culture. And at the end of the day, it's people running around and no one really having the whole story. And that's the danger of this kind of information that gets out. And then I'm listening to these clips that you're playing. And every one of them are just, man, their pulse must be at about 150 beats per minute as they're trying to do this.

48:24 They've been drinking eight bucks, you know, eight cups of Starbucks coffee. And they're doing it for their own reasons. They want urgency. Exactly. Keep watching, keep clicking, keep liking, keep subscribing, all of that. It's so obvious. My rule of thumb is this is a tool. And if you want to use this for something of which you know what the outcome should be. So if you want to use it for writing, you know what you want your sermon to be. You know when all the M dashes and the nonsense comes out, you know, that's not what I want. Right. When people use it as an oracle, as a lemon, like a magic eight ball, you are literally getting magic eight ball results.

49:07 I mean, it could be completely wrong. It may be right. But only use this stuff for. for something that you know the out you know what the outcome should be. So I personally feel a chat bot is not where you go for your questions about theology, your questions about faith. If you are curious and don't have the answer, that's the wrong thing to do. You will not get spirit-filled answers. Yeah, you will get Vicki from iRobot. She's a machine, unemotional, unattached. She's making mathematical calculations, and her answers are based on mathematics.

49:48 Feeling, not human emotion, but yet it comes off that way. And of course, Sonny comes along, you know, and he's the empathetic robot. I mean, he's just insanity. But we treat these things like human beings. Like you said, anthropomorphism. And that's something I, man, it might be a good show title today, brother. Because really, that's what we're talking about. Assigning human attributes to things that are not human. And have no intelligence. I mean, again, I go back to looking at my baby granddaughter, like, that's intelligent design. That's something real. That's something that has just life in it, not computer programs that are guessing the next word.

50:33 And will also make you feel good about it. You know, this really bugged me. So I took a picture of myself. No, Tina took a picture of me with Cleo. And, you know, she was writing the newsletter. She says, oh, can you give me that picture? Now, I only have my phone with me. She needs to get it on the laptop. So I tell my robot, put it on the laptop. The robot goes, okay, I put it on the laptop. And then it says, lovely picture. You see how dangerous this stuff is? It says lovely picture. And I'm like, lovely picture. So, well, what is and I say, tell me what's in this picture. Dude, yes, I can see it.

51:15 A man with light blonde, tussled hair, a short gray flecked beard in an olive green hoodie sitting on a dark navy corduroy couch, looking. And by the way, it doesn't say he, because it's woke. They are looking down at a newborn cradled across their lap, M-dash, head resting in the crook of the arm. One of the baby's hands is curled around their fingertip. The whole frame is that is that very specific expression people get looking at a day's old baby, M-dash, head tilted down, half a smile. I guess that's you holding them because the baby, of course, is has no gender. Guesses. Yes, exactly. I'll not assume who the baby is.

51:55 And just for laughs, I actually took that and put it into a different chat bot and said, give me an image. And it was uncanny. It was quite uncanny, creepy and uncanny. But anyway, so this is not to be afraid of, but it's not to be relied upon. Don't use it as an oracle. And I can see where people who make this and people who use it can see this as a deity, as a god. And that's obviously a lie from the pit of hell. I mean, that's just not true. You know, so much of the use of this that I'm learning about is really it's all in your prompts.

52:36 It's all in how you because all it's going to do is regurgitate according to what you prompt it to do. It's not trying to do something nefarious or sneaky or it's not, it's programmed to get you in a conversation. It's to hook you, to hook your emotions. And that's why you get the affirmation. I just tell it, do not affirm my answer before answering. And it just doesn't do that anymore. Oh, good. And I don't get those silly, ooh, absolutely. Good question. Good question. I just don't get any of that stuff. Two things before I leave. Two things I want you to know. So you brought up revelation, and something has been popping up for me three times now.

53:20 So, you know, that's like, okay, time to talk about it. And this particular pastor popped up twice, one day after the next. And I saw him on a podcast. I noted, actually, I bookmarked it like something I might want to do for the show. And then he showed up as the speaker for the U-Version app, which I use pretty much every day for, you know, this is devotional. I always like seeing the different people who are speaking. And, you know, and there's always a good prayer that goes with the devotional. It was a good starter kit for me as a newbie Christian. This is Pastor Mitchell. And he was on the Jesus People podcast.

54:02 And he said something which I've heard several pastors say. And I did not remove the speaker. spooky, scary music, which is intentional. It's two clips. Here's how it starts off. There is a scene in the book of Revelation where there is an innumerable amount of believers who have been saved. They are now in glory. And the scripture says, these are those who have been beheaded for the testimony of Christ beheaded for the testimony of the cross. There is an ideology that decapitates the head of men.

54:45 I believe that that ideology through radical Islam will be the faith to persecute Christians in the end. I believe that eventually they will take over the whole world. And I believe during that time, the Antichrist will come to power. It would not surprise me if he will be Islamic himself. So, this is the general tenet that's been going around. And it's this comparison between the Mahdi and the end times in Revelation. And one more short clip. And then, if we read the scriptures very carefully, I do believe that it is radical Islam that is the manifestation of those end time scriptures about the decapitation of the heads of believers.

55:27 And so, to some degree, we are watching God's ending plan unfold. But that doesn't mean that we should be complicit and quiet at the same time. I think we have a moral, a biblical, and spiritual responsibility to be bold heroes of the gospel, to sound the alarm, and to do all we can to bring as many people aboard the heart of safety as possible before time has run out, before the end has come, before we enter into those final days. Okay, so I've heard this explained in many different ways. Pastor Howardon actually does a great job with all the names in Revelation of the countries and the places.

56:08 And he says, This is exactly, you know, this Mahdi end times in Islam is exactly Revelation. We've got the white horse, etc. My question is, true or not, and I'm sure you have your own opinion of that. But does this mean that we should be, I mean, to me, it's like, does this mean we have to be afraid? Do we have to try and stop it? I mean, if it's written, it's written and it's going to happen. How do we respond to this particular comparison between these two end time stories?

56:44 I mean, we have to take a step back and take a pause. I always do that. It's like, okay, what's going on? That's my training from being a defensive cornerback in football where I take my recognition steps, say, okay, read the play. What's going on? And for me, with this, none of this stuff bothers me because I know what the end game is for Christ's return. So I'm not going to allow fear-mongering and fearful things to rob me of the joy and the excitement that I have about standing and seeing if he comes in my lifetime, being able to embrace him.

57:23 If you're cowering in fear, hiding under a rock, or you've escaped to some cave somewhere trying to hide out for fear, and he comes back, what are you going to be found doing? You know, there's parables that talk about what we, he wants to find us laboring, working, doing what he told us to do when he comes back. And he doesn't, he says there's no way to tell. Even Jesus himself said he doesn't even know when the return is. So, I mean, so he's like, why are you trying to figure it all out? So to me, when the signs of the times aren't to create fear, they're actually to create an excitement about his return and also an urgency in our role and mission to share the gospel with other people.

58:07 And to, so instead of hunkering down, quitting, because that's what fear causes you to do. Okay, I'm a country boy. I see a deer out by the road. The deer starts to walk out into the road. I'm coming down the highway at 71 miles an hour. And when the deer sees the headlights, he freezes in the middle of the road or she. They just freeze. It's called deer in the headlights syndrome. And what they don't, they're so afraid, they get paralyzed and they don't move. They don't keep walking across the road. They just stop, which can be a really bad thing at night, you know, when you're sleepy and driving home in the dark. And so this deer in the headlights syndrome is what happens to people when they just get overwhelmed with fear and they just stop.

58:50 They don't move. They don't respond. They just stop and stare. And to me, that's what a lot of this fear mongering does. Now, there are a lot of things in the book of Revelation, it's apocalyptic literature, which lends itself to vivid. vivid imagery and that to a first century Jew would make sense. To people from that era, they would know the tone of that. The overarching message of apocalyptic literature is that there is good, it is opposed by evil, and good will overcome. That's the whole message of the book of Revelation. It's an apocalyptic message, a story arc.

59:29 And so, when people start digging out into the details, you know, I hear it all the time: Gog and Magog and all the different, the 10-headed beasts and the crowns, the 10 crowns, all that's important, and those things are good to postulate on and study and all. But I see so many people get lost into that study where it's almost like they're in a J.R. Tolkien storyline. It's like they get lost in it and they forget that we have to live our day every day. And there are people around us that are hurting that need to hear good news. They need to hear the good news. The Bible calls the message of Christ the gospel, which means the good news.

1:00:10 It means glad tidings, literally, is what the word means, gospel. But we say good news. This is good news. It's not bad news. And so when I hear fear-mongering from pastors and ministers, I just look away. I just turn the channel. I can't stay with that. But this is the problem. You know, I hear the music and I hear all this. And it seems to be, you know, telling us that Islam is scary. Whereas you and I, I think, agree that, okay, we're going to try and just win these Muslims over and tell them the good news of Jesus, but we're not going to coerce them. We're just going to plant seeds. Like our buddy Muhammad in Bahrain, he sent a lovely note to us. He said, Yeah, it was amazing.

1:00:54 I love hearing you guys because I was trying to convert you to Islam. You were trying to convert me. No, we weren't, brother. We were just trying to plant some seeds. Now, you tell me when you dream of the man in the white. You know, then you send me another email. No, I love that. I love your response. He's a great guy. Oh, no, absolutely. But my heart is, I'm not afraid of him. I just want to see him with me in heaven someday and we get to high-five each other, you know, and say, man, we made it. And so this idea, in terms of Islam, I know when we go down this route, people just start defaulting to various preconceived thoughts. Like, well, Adam's, he's being soft on Islam or Jimmy, you know, you should be railing against this.

1:01:38 But the thing is, it's not about soft, hard railing or not. It's not even about that. It's about the truth. Truth. We want to be truth tellers. If there are things going on that are nefarious, if they are positioning themselves to win more political offices, and you bet they are, they'd be stupid if they weren't. I mean, come on, let's get real. What group out there isn't doing that? Yes, thank you. Christians are. We are. So, okay, let's admit, yeah, they are, but where do we beat them? We beat them at the ballot box. We beat them at the city council. We beat them on the school board, but we don't take up pitchforks and torches, or we don't start going online and saying things that are not true.

1:02:24 Yes. And that's the hard part for me. And I defended you in a conversation, not that you need it, but I mean, of somebody saying, God, it seems like Adam doesn't, he's not scared. He's not worried about Islam because it's, you know, it's coming slower here than it did in Europe. And I said, that's not even the right question or observation. The issue is truth. If we are Christians and we're out there spewing misinformation or exaggerated statistics and things like that to somehow drum up emotions and fear, and then we begin to believe things like the ends justifies, the means justifies the end.

1:03:07 And then we slip into what everybody else is doing and we're no different. And we're called to be different. The scripture says, come out from among them. We're supposed to live a holy life. That means full integrity. That means full transparency. And it means being truthful, whether you like it or not. Be truthful. And I think there's enough out there where we have seen them posturing to get offices and do various things that, yeah, those are the things we stand against. Yeah. And we'll vote against. Absolutely. That's how you do that. And we meet them on the playground of politics. And we do what we have the right to do and what we've been given the right to do through our Constitution.

1:03:52 And so, but yeah, I'm with you. And this is where I'm getting frustrated at some of the weird feedback where people think, well, you're just not worried about. enough about it. And I'm like, the Bible tells me to be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving, let your request be made known to God. And when I do that, I offload that. So I'm offloading fear and worry and obeying Philippians chapter 4, verse 4, because the very next verse says, then it actually says, and, Kai in Greek, and the peace of God that passes all understanding shall guard your hearts and

1:04:32 your minds in Christ Jesus. I'm living with a guarded heart and a guarded mind in Christ. So I don't have the emotional capacity or energy to be spun up, angry, or afraid, because my Bible tells me in the end, he wins. Not we, him. God wins, and that's where my focus is. So I'm not going to run around hair on fire, wasting my energy and taking 10 years off the back of my life for stressing about something that hasn't happened. Unless you want lots of clicks and likes on Instagram, YouTube, et cetera, which is unfortunately what I feel the reason is for this type of segment that I see clipped and shared and put into news groups and text chains.

1:05:20 And it always has ominous music. And it's always, this is unbelievable. Look at how this lines up. I have listened to so many end times podcasts. And you're listening to more than me. I can't stomach it. Oh, well, but I'm new. And I go and listen to it and I just roll my eyes because of your, you're, you're my pastor, you're my friend, but you're also my pastor. And you've been around the block. You know, this is, you're not just some newbie pastor who's jumping up and down. You have been around the block in many different churches, many different situations. I have the privilege of being able to talk to you about some of these things

1:06:05 and knowing where you're coming from because in a way, our vocations have not been that different when it comes to being a public figure and what that brings with it. And so when I see this, I just think, well, unfortunately, you seem to be doing this to grab attention and grab attention for what you're doing. And I don't know if pastors are doing this may not always be intentional. And I know they're excited to talk about this comparison, but I see you. I see what the result is. And the result is not good fruit. It just never is when I see this stuff. There you go. You just nailed it. You will know them by their fruit.

1:06:50 The scripture says Jesus was talking about those that have hearts that have been turned away or turned aside or they're not focused on him. You will know them by their fruits. And I'm not calling out all these pastors in a disparaging way. I'm just saying, guys, hey, guys, let's get our eyes back where it should be. When I was at TPUSA Faith Forward Pastor Summit, we talked about it last week. But what I loved about it is that there was not fear-mongering there. You know, some people would think, man, that would be the raw-raw rally for America and Trump. You know, everything's red, not red, white, and blue, just red. But it wasn't at all. It was about the gospel, the good news of Jesus Christ.

1:07:30 Put down your screens, pick up your Bibles, preach the truth. And that's what that whole thing was about. And I told Annette, I said, this is the best event we've been to because all the other events we've been to tend to have this, oh no, they're coming after us. Oh, no, they're going to take over our country. And it's spinning pastors up. And boy, you know how this group think works. It spreads like a virus, like a fire. You know, these West Texas wildfires right now, they're just, they can't get them under control. It's the same thing. They just spread like a wildfire. And I just keep thinking, guys, we're better than this. Come on. We know better than that. We know the truth of what God has said and what he has promised.

1:08:15 Yes. And I'm going to lean upon that and I'm going to be anxious for nothing according to his word. And we're only here for a short time. The infinite life goes on for a long time. We got a lot more to do, a lot more stuff. This is like boot camp in the Marine Corps. It's short-lived, but it's rough. But once you get through it, something is produced where you are resilient and impermeable and strong and decisive. And to me, this world, what we're in right now is boot camp. And how we relate to the pressures and the information that comes our way really belies what we're made of.

1:08:54 made of and who is on the throne of our life. And for those of you who are Christ curious, hop into the pool. I'm telling you, your life changes when you have trust, when you surrender and you follow these basic instructions in the manual, you just feel great. You don't need a self-help book. You don't need a guru. You don't need a chat bot. You read this and like, God's got this. And come what may, his plans are for good all the time. Every generation has their things to fight, right? Every generation has got their crises. Every generation's got their epic. The world's about to end. This happens every generation.

1:09:37 And in every generation, there's people out there saying, oh, this is the book of Revelation coming to pass. This is that. This is that. And here's the deal. I hope it is because that means I'm one day closer to meeting Jesus and I'm good with that. So if that's the case, he promises he will be with us in the fire. If the fire's coming, he will be with us. This is why you don't have to live in fear. But here's the thing, and you know this, Adam, because man, this is your world. People, when you live on a steady diet of this information and you live with us on a steady diet of these kinds of podcasts, these kinds of news feeds, you can't help but go down the dark, the rabbit hole.

1:10:20 You can't help but go down into dark places and you start to live that way. I have countless people in our church who have come to me, thanked me, and vicariously thanking you for that briefing that I do every Sunday when I step up into the pulpit because it's helping them take a step back, turn the volume down, step away. Of course, I'm hammering the put down your screens, pick up your Bible, and because it's helping them. It's helping them. And they're thanking me for it on a regular basis. So thank you, Adam, because you put all the bones together and all that.

1:11:00 And then you send it to me. I put my spin on it. And then together, we're helping our people settle down and refocus. And we always want to help get to nation. So if there's, we just want to help you make sense of the world through scripture, through common sense, through the promise of Jesus. It'll make you feel good. Worrying about all that stuff, it'll make you go bald. You will lose your hair. I'm telling you. This is the number one reason for hair loss. Let's thank some people who supported us. This is value for value. So whenever you think, wow, I got something out of this.

1:18:31 I do a terrible astrology. So anyway, he says, in the morning to you both or in the afternoon, in my case, I want to pass on my deepest condolences to you, Adam, and to John's family. So it's a beautiful thing there. He writes a beautiful note. And then he says this: I'm Catholic. Please don't. I love. love his sense of humor, by the way. I'm Catholic. Please don't hold that against me. And recently returned to the church after a long hiatus. He talks about his daughter, Maddie, who has some health issues, and that actually he brought his attention back to God. He says, During that time, my family and friends across different parishes and Christian faiths lifted up our family in prayer. And I still discover people from all over in certain circles who are praying for us. And so he says this: that Maddie's doing well now about to turn 13.

1:19:15 And he says this: He says, Since her recovery, Maddie, my youngest daughter, Georgie, and I attend Mass every Sunday afternoon at 5 p.m. at our local parish. Coming back to Mass has truly felt like coming home. I also pray regularly that my beautiful wife will come with us as well at some point. And then he talks about a little bit things about some of the things we've talked about. And he says, on a broader note, I want to thank you immensely for this podcast. It speaks to me deeply, regardless of denomination. What matters most is that we as Christians love Jesus and God and stand united. It always frustrates me when different branches get caught up in arguing over trivial differences. Me too, brother. Yeah, no kidding. And he says, he says, happy 62nd birthday, Adam.

1:19:58 I hope you have a fantastic day and congratulations on becoming a grandparent, Paul Jesty. Very cool. Got another note, nice note from Kelly and Sarah. I think you probably know them. Yes, Dave. Dame Sarah of the Fraser Valley wrote a beautiful note, just encouraging, for lack of an official WGTDT greeting. We got to fix that. She says, I defaulted to in the morning. So thankfully, Jimmy is a member of No Agenda Nation, so it works. We're taking suggestions, by the way. Yeah, there you go. That's right. We want you guys to help us create the culture and the community around this.

1:20:37 So just beautiful. Just talked a little bit about the episodes around John Dvorak's passing and how encouraging that was. Talked about some surgery issues. And then she says that I'm not sure which one says this. Jimmy, I've told Adam in a couple of previous episodes. For me, listening to podcasts develops strange but wonderful one-sided friendships. I feel like I know Adam well. I've listened to No Agenda for almost six years. I started listening to Curry and the Keeper, though I'm still behind on the episodes. I got to know Tina through that. And then that introduced me to you and Annette and started listening to Living Up in a Down World. Nice. Another great show. She's still behind on the episodes. Through all of this, I feel like I'm getting to know you too, but you don't know me at all.

1:21:21 It's a weird way to be friends with people, but it's still very enjoyable. You know, and it's true. I mean, it does feel like a one-sided thing, but it's really not. Because though we may not have met you yet, I'd love to at a meetup or something. Yeah, I mean, we get to connect that way. But it really is a give and take relationship that happens. And thank God for technology. It's good for some things, right? I feel that a podcast is truly a podcast when you have the feedback loop. That's what makes it work. And that's forgotten so many times. And I find it's always a shame when I see, and Joe Rogan just looks at things differently than I do.

1:22:05 You know, the community is in the YouTube comments. And he's not there. And that's what I love, especially about you, brother, is at WGTDT.com, which goes straight to our sub stack, that's where people are engaging and there's commenting and you're in there. And, you know, Tina love doing that. And I love this feedback loop that we do on the air. It just makes so much sense. That's what it is. And that's why I wanted to call these guys out because I just so appreciate that they take time. These are long notes. I mean, and they even apologize for them being long, but don't. I mean, thank you for sharing slices of your life with us.

1:22:43 It helps us know who we're talking to and it gives us a picture of you. And so when we're doing these podcasts, your names come across our minds. I love this. It says the says, Adam, all the times you've talked about how you can look back and see your steps are always ordered and things were put into place to bring you where you are today. Go podcasting. It says, I think of you every time I hear this song. Now, Jimmy, I think it's a good one for you too. You may have heard it before. Trumpet of Jesus by Russ Taft from 1994. That's a classic. Oh, I got to look it up. I definitely know that. Yeah, it's classic. And so anyway, it says, thank you for your courage and God bless you both.

1:23:23 So that's Dame Sarah of the Fraser Valley. Thank you, Dame Sarah. We also got a, you know, just being equal opportunity here, maybe, maybe an equal opportunity offender at times. Here's the deal. I appreciate Mohammed Hamad wrote us, and he's the one you're. were referring to earlier. And I just really appreciate that he took time to write us. And it's so, I'm reading it. It's delightful. And he gives some clarity on the men that were doing, you know, coming into the Spanish, you know, property and all that, which I love. And he even talks about his own frustration with his own people. You know what I'm saying? Because, you know, the same thing is for us. I mean, we've got Christians out there that are idiots sometimes and they do stupid stuff.

1:24:08 They do. And all we want to do is tell the world that's not us, you know? And so that's kind of what Muhammad is doing. Muhammad's doing. Yep, exactly. He's a great guy, though. And I really appreciate it. So, and he ends just saying, hey, God bless, man. Just appreciate it. So thank you, Muhammad, for writing us and hanging in there with us. Yes. When you could go do something different. Darius Walker wrote, again, just talking about his, I have a mutual friend with him, Larry Ice, who wrote the book I think you were talking about. He sent me a copy as well. And just so appreciate those guys, but I just wanted to call their names out because, you know, I just appreciate value for value is not just about resources.

1:24:48 Resources are who you are. It's your notes. It's your feedback. That's right. It's your contributions in terms of, hey, let's call this doers or this, let's be, you know, we get two nation. We're listening and we just want to say thank you for writing in. Joe Rojas is another one who sent a great note in. So we just appreciate you guys. And we're doing this because of you. We're doing this because we say we get to do this, but we really mean that for us. This is joyful for us. This isn't work. We're taking time. I'm remote. Adam's remote, but we're taking time because it's important to us to help people and do all we can. Wow. Land it for me, brother. You're on a roll. All right. Well, listen, I want to share something I wrote this morning.

1:25:32 I do a thing called the daily grind. You can find it on our, actually on my sub stack. I put them on there every day. And I called this today. I think this may help some of you who are praying because a lot of our people that are Christ curious and coming back to faith say the same things where, you know, I'm praying, but I don't know if God's really hearing me. And so I called this before you see the answer. And super simple. Colossians 4:2 says, continue steadfastly in prayer, being watchful in it with thanksgiving. And here's the daily grind: it's this. In Paul's letter to the Colossian Christians, he explains how the gospel transforms everyday relationships and priorities.

1:26:12 He now turns to the church's outward mission. Prayer is not an afterthought. Prayer is the spiritual foundation for the proclamation of the gospel. No prayer, no power. No intercession, which is another kind of prayer, no impact. No entreaty, no effect. We are to be expectant with gratitude, trusting that God hears our prayers. Now, here's your assignment for the day: spend time praying and thanking God for the answer before you see it come to pass. That's called faith. So, in faith, celebrate as though it's already done.

1:26:50 And here's the prayer, and I'll land with this: Father, I thank you in advance for hearing my prayers and are already setting the answers in motion. In Jesus' name, amen. Amen. Brother, I'll see you next week in the studio at the church. Yes, sir. Looking forward to it. Remember, we get to do this. This is the life we've been blessed with. This is a gift for me. This is the chance we dare not miss. This is the life we hope. We get to do this tonight.